Welcome 1. Welcome all to the snail trail
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in pandas,
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Then this is the podcast for you. That's
right Ladies and Germs. My name is Tyler.
Joining me for another episode to sn travel
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only Jim.
Hey buddy? I'm good. Thank you. Thanks for
asking. You're welcome. I'm... I like asking. I
like to know. Yeah. I'm happy. So it
has nothing to do with. I just have
a script memorized. Yeah. Or is that you
care. Or that I carry either. So, yeah.
Man. We got a fun episode for everybody
today. We just got done interviewing
cult
from c builds it. And so we had
a lot of fun talking about a lot
of different topics actually. Went really long. So
we're gonna keep the intro pretty short and
sweet today.
I think that's a good idea. And so
with that,
we'll take a quick break. It's just k.
We always have a giveaway away stuff going
on service those out. You guys should know
what those are by now, how to get
involved with them by now. If you don't
go back and listen to the previous intro,
and you'll get an idea of what the
monthly giveaway is, the
reviews giveaway for a set of Yokohama tires.
We've got A big topic of today's episode
is On off road, and we have an
elite membership with Onex Off road up for
grabs 2 with the review giveaways.
We have... What it... What is the monthly
give way this month? The E.
Throttle control. That's right. Thank you. And that
is we've had a few listeners reaching out.
Cool asking about those. Yeah. They sound like,
phenomenal thing. I can't wait to put 1
in the tacoma. Yeah. So we need to
get to AU1 for the Tacoma
I need to get 1 on the Bro
and play around more with it. But we
have a couple on some other company vehicles
that have been awesome to see the features
and
play around with. So if you guys do
have questions about throttle controls, please write in,
let us know because I know that there's
a company out there that have given throttle
control is a pretty bad rap in the
off road industry and the offered road communities
industry are kinda wary of throttle controllers now.
And these ones are are pretty sweet. And
there's a big reason why because they're not
plugging into your Ob 2 at all. Okay.
And they're not nice messing, and there's no
potential to fuck up your Can bus system.
On your vehicle. Okay. So
that's 1 of the main reasons why I
really like ultimate 9 and what they're doing.
So right in, if you have questions, we
can get them answered for you guys and
give you some stuff. We are definitely working
on
setting up the infrastructure, and I'll let everybody
know once those are live. And ready to
go on the website. We can get you
1 manually input though if you're interested. So...
Cool. There's those,
we got a bunch of stuff going on.
We're always super active trying to find ways
to, connect you guys with different fun brands
out there. And this episode is is another
way to do that. So, with our partnership
with On off Road, we've been getting to
sit down and chat with some other people
that are involved with On off Road, it
just seems like the the people that On
has chosen to partner up with are all
super rad,
really cool personalities that just loves
cars and offered recreation? Absolutely. I'm just gonna
go out on a limb and say Onyx
off road does an excellent job at venting
possible a partnership. That is true. Yeah. Yeah.
I'm very sure. Yeah. It's and not and
I say that specifically because that's a pad
on our back. I was gonna say because
that's really more of a selfish thing. Get
right.
Got it No, but it's a hundred percent
true. I mean, they they do partner with
some phenomenal people, the people that are doing
really good things in the industry. Mh. Just
like C is doing... I mean, he hit...
When we started talking to the I... And
to be bluntly honest, I mean, both you,
and I didn't know much about C before
we started this interview. No. Right? And just
talking to him right at the very beginning
of the episode where he starts talking about
how he just loves learning and teaching and
giving good information out there. I was like,
yeah. This guy gets it. You know, It's
we're we're both all on the same line
here and you know, he's doing some really
cool stuff. Yep. So without further ado, let's
learn a little bit about those cool things
that Cult is doing, and we'll take a
quick break. To grab some coffee, grab your
popcorn, grab your snacks
and grab a snickers because this is a
doo, kind of a longer episode but there's
a lot of really cool stuff we get
to touch on with him. So
we'll be right on mac with C from
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Welcome back.
Everybody to the podcast,
we have a a fun interview for everybody
today.
We have already talked to Nate
about the On x build challenge. Right Jimmy?
Yes. We have. And so we thought it'd
be a lot of fun to talk with
all of Nate
competition to see
who's gonna win and see if there's any
over under and Betty going on
with the On x build challenge. So, getting
to talk to everybody. Well we'll, we'll, maybe
we'll run, like, a poll or post afterwards
and be, like, who's gonna win between colton
nate and everybody else. So we have here
on the line We got we got cult.
Air in the virtual studio today? C from
C builds it. How's it going? Man. Say
hi to everybody.
Yeah. Great. Thanks. Thanks for having me out
here. This is cool. I'm I've been excited
to to do a podcast. You guys are
actually my first podcast I've ever been on.
So... Wow. Up in scary it's what we
do. Yeah. We do. I've got a podcast
in the air. Okay.
That's cool, man. Yeah. Podcasts are a lot
of fun. It's a it's a it's a
fun medium
where
there's not a lot of video editing typically.
So that's that's really why you like it.
Yeah.
As a Youtuber,
and myself and you are as well for
C builds it. And, you know how much,
time it takes to do video editing. Prep
and everything, and Man, I I'd... I think
I have over 250 videos on the snail
trail 4 by 4 Youtube channel. And then
I found podcasting, and I'm like, this is
so much easier. And it you still hit
of a good audience.
Good fun audience. Now the monetization side isn't
as there as much, But Mh. Yeah. There's
no audio or video that I need to
be editing is just all audio, so it
works out pretty well.
Well, I think we all do it for
the love of it anyway more than anything.
Surgery true. I... I've I've I had a
much higher paying job before
Yeah absolutely. So, speaking of pain job, let's
let's wheel the wheels backwards a little bit
here, let's talk about you.
How about where do you grow up? What
you... What was fine family dynamics like back
in the day? How do you get off
road? Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, I grew
up... We didn't we weren't, like,
I wouldn't say we were poor, but we
didn't have a lot of money. I went
to school. I grew up in Colorado, Central
Colorado.
And
I actually couldn't stand school honestly. I I
wanted to get out, and I graduated early,
just so that I could get out.
And start working because I work every job
you could imagine
growing up from working in lumber yards to
doing heating and air conditioning and plumbing and
anything that I could do to make money,
I had... I loved off road. My dad
was into off road and growing up. Like,
even before I was born
I kept this so I could remember what
what year it was, but he was the...
He was a race director for Rocky Mountain
Off road racing
Association in the seventies. 19 77. Wow. So.
So, yeah. He was into off road. He
did the
ice racing even
In fact, in fact, if you've ever looked
at the ice racing rules in Colorado, like,
we're race in Georgetown and stuff, there's there's
actual rules there. 1 of them says you
are not allowed. And... Because you have 3
different classes. You have Bare Rubber studded and
then the cheater class where we can do
whatever.
And in the study class, he had ordered
Alaskan
snow studs,
and that is still a rule to this
day that you cannot run those. He didn't
even win. He couldn't afford... There they're just
longer studs. They're, like, 2 inches long as
opposed to just getting a little little tire
studs. Mh. And so he could just get
him on the outside of his tires on
his studded snow tires.
And
he didn't even win that race. But but,
yeah, I was kinda funny after that, Like,
they they made it a rule that you
can't run Alaskan studs. But he had to
keep the paperwork and show, like, these these
are called studs. They fall, you know, and
that's way racing is. Right? You're always pushing
the limits of the rules. So you can't
get mad
when people... Like, you get mad internally, but
you can't physically get mad.
Because racing is just like any other sport,
you know, they're always gonna push the limits.
What it is. But.
But, yeah. So I grew up doing that
and had
actually had
got married to my wife, and we had...
We had our first daughter really young. Actually,
she graduated high school pregnant with our daughter.
Mh.
So I had... I was forced to grow
up
pretty quite immediately. Yeah.
And I was in into dirt biking and
off road. I had a couple deer sponsors.
I was actually racing in the Sr c.
And I was pretty good. I wasn't great.
I was, like, I would be, like, fifth
to eighth in in the pro class. And
I remember the guy that got first all
the time. There was times where I turn
around, you know, in some of those longer
longer moto and he be behind me. And
I'm like, man, this dude... Like, I'm I'm
not that far from the top, and this
dude's behind me. And I remember he went
Pro May. This is in the area of
Jeremy Mcgrath.
And
in Anaheim, I watched him get lap twice
by Jeremy Mcgrath. And that's why do I
had 0
ability in this sport
guess.
And and with having kids, it was kinda
like, I could only afford 1
option. It was either, you know, off road,
or dirt biking. And so I stepped over
more to off road and jeep and and
and stuff because I knew that I could
take my family. And Yeah. The less chance
of me getting hurt, you know, you get
mashed up on a dirt bike and you're
laid up. You're not working and then he
can't feed your family. So... Yeah. Well what
does that adage with age comes a cage?
Right? Yeah. So
So, yeah, I just got, you know, kind
of stepped over completely into off road, but
my dad was a big part of that.
You know, he was for a while there.
He was a mach in the air force
he put 38 years in the air force.
And... Wow.
And
so, like, he was making C tire rods
and stuff like that before like, because off
of... He working on airplanes. So he was
making stuff before it was a thing. Mh.
He's like, yeah, These are super strong, You
know, and he'd take his old trucks and
he'd take the leaf springs know, before they
had lift kits, and he'd put him in
a press and actually press every inch of
that leaf spring in the press to get
an arch out the least
doesn't on lift kits.
So, yeah. I learned learned some cool tricks
from him, for sure. What vehicles was he
driving back then? So he had jeep he
did have jeep and then he had he
had some blazers and some scouts,
and
Yeah. He did a lot of... He really
liked the scout because that scout would get
10 miles a gallon no matter what we
did. We could be on the highway 10
miles a ago gallon before we on this
10 miles a gallon.
And it was a lot more stable than
the Jeep. But I remember he had a
Cj 5 that he actually took... Like the
old school air shocks. You know, like, the
the get... The Gabriel, you know, or Gabriel,
you everyone pronounce it. Air shocks. And he
put them on all 4 corners
because we'd be on side hills, and it
would, you know, you... The Jeep feel like
they're gonna flip all the time those old
Jeep especially. And so he would actually put
an air compressor in there into would air
down but the side like, the high side
and then air up the low side. So
at least you didn't feel like you were
gonna roll.
But, yeah. Just got... Just interesting things like
that. Always push... You know, he's never afraid
to turn anything apart which made me kinda
never afraid to tear anything. Sometimes that burn
me. I'm about, like, I'm batting 500 for
transmission rebuild fraud matters
but
hey, 500 is great for baseball terms man.
You you doing good it. Yeah.
Yeah. No. It it was, you know, that's
kinda what got me into it and I
worked at
4 old parts. You know, my dad tommy
had to do gears and stuff, and, like,
you know, and then I did that for
a while and
had my own
off road shop for a little while in
in South Dakota, and and
Yeah. It did a lot of
did a lot of... That was kind of
my thing was the drivetrain stuff. I didn't
really like working... I mean, I should say,
like, axles and suspension. Those are the things
I like. I like doing axles and suspension.
I don't really like tearing apart motors and
transmissions as much. I don't mind doing tea
cases.
There a lot of... You know, done a
lot of transfer cases. Mh. Built
I had a 87 4 runner that the
back end was smashed up
got it for 800 bucks in
in Denver. And
the thing road great and the rest the
body was in good shape. But just the
back end had a dent in it, and
they had pulled the bolt for the topper.
So the window didn't go up. You know,
in those all in those all 4 run.
There's a bolt there that keeps it puts
a sensor to let you know if the
tops off or not. And I was like,
man, the Top doesn't even, you know, the
window doesn't even roll up and. So I
talked them down 800 bucks.
And check it out to my house and
and divide and built it
outside. I had a single car garage that
was about the size of a shed.
They could just hold my tools basically. So
I built the whole truck outside, but put
did 1 tons under it. Did dual toy
cases.
You know, did A47 gear set in it
and and 05:13 gears in the axles and,
you know, 04:14 bolt and a 60 that
I got from an old farmer for a
couple hundred bucks. You know, he didn't know,
you know, that back when people, you know,
everybody now, the Internet ruins everything kinda, like,
everybody knows what you have, You know, they
think they know what they have in value.
But
yeah. Put it put the truck on some
42 inch Ts cells and that truck did
awesome. Like, it was... That's a model.
Yeah. Yeah. But it was geared solo. You
know, I let the kids drive it when
they were little and and
I did a lot of trails with that.
Like, a lot of what people would consider
buggy trails with that old fore runner. Mh.
What I learned though, the difference between a
Jeep and a Toyota is rocks like the
body panels at Toyota. Like, they'll just jump
out and smash them. Like... Yep. You can't
have a toyota to erased place the old
ones, You know, the old ones say, for
some reason, they just like to raise those
things Yep. It's kinda it's kinda like you
don't really actually have an old school Toyota
unless all your body panels are raised up.
So... Right. Yeah. It's a it's
I'm I'm actually working on wrapping my 4
runner right now, and the the poor
vinyl rap dude. He was like, I don't
know what I'm gonna do with all these
dents. He goes he goes the wraps don't
take count the dead. Like, you... You're gonna
see all the dents still, and it's gonna
be... I can I can get it? I
can get the wrap on there. And I
was like no, that's that's good. Like, I
want I want the dents there. Like, that
would... It's not it's not a rock crawling.
Unless there's all these body panels dented. And
he he kinda went back and forth and
was looking at... That me, like, I was
crazy. I was like, dude just just do.
It'll be fine I'm not gonna hold the
thing against you. Is he charging you more
because now there's more corners that he has
to wrap Surprisingly, I don't think so. I
don't
Maybe he was just click on his feet
1.
But
yeah. So it's a it's just it's like
a rite a passage for old Toyota to
have all those dents. So
I I agree completely. Yet. And like I
said, it it... It's only the first dent
that really hurts, you know, you have no
vehicle and you're like, and then once you
get that dent, you're like, okay. Don't care
anymore. Yeah. Exactly. I'm just gonna go with
it. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. If we were just
literally talking about that in the lobby earlier
today, and I was saying, like, I really
don't want to dent the truck. But if
it happens,
Yeah oh, well.
Yeah.
Yeah. Once you get it, then it's... Then
you just... Okay. I just gotta deal with
it now. Right. Yeah. Is that like ducks
in the Gp world?
I pretty much really, man. I talked to
But, you know, what's?
Very often. I... You know, I got I
got cherokee and
and
you know, the the s 10. So and
samurai. So when I do get Duck, actually,
my wife got Ducks. So I did get...
I bought a cheap a cheap jeep Jk
from a dealership. They thought that the frame
was rotten, and they had just had a
another old wrangler
that the frame actually was rotten. And they
kinda... I I think they might have got
lemon on it or something. And so they
looked underneath it. It was a trade in,
and my buddy worked at the dealership across
the street. And, you know, our dealerships are,
like, it's family owned and then they own
7 different
dealerships, but... Mh. But
And he tells me he's like, hey, man.
They're selling... You know, I told him if
they ever found a jeep a cheap Jeep
Jk a 4 or Jk, let me know.
And
he's, like, man this thing's got a hundred
and...
At the time I think, a hundred and
20000 miles on it, and they want 6
grand for it because they looked underneath it,
and they thought frame was rotten. And ended
up just being the gas tank skid was
totally approached. And it was rotten.
But
but the frame was fine. Like, the frame
was totally fine. The way those gas tank
skid are, they just hold dirt and if
you never wash it, they're just gonna get
ruined. So
change that. And then, I'm curious what tech
looked under
the jeep, saw the gas tank skid rotten
and was like, oh, the frame is fucked.
Like, what this
what
It's a sure it was probably just... I'm
sure it's probably just a salesman more than
anything, but cheap.
But yeah. I got that jeep for 6000
bucks and
got us, you know, just got another skid
from a salvage yard. And then
and then we put a little lift on
it and some other things, but my wife
was driving it and I come home and
she's like, man, the the Jeep making this
horrible rattling noise. I don't know what it
is.
And so I'm walking... You know, I drive
it and I can hear it, and I
walk... I... So I I pull over and
I walk around the jeep,
and
somebody had put a duck on a key
chain, like a hard plastic duck.
On the on the antenna, and it was...
And so it slowed down the antenna, and
it was flat of the side the... And
actually scratched up and, like, though Like, left
big old stars on the side of the
jeep, and I was I was actually pissed.
I was like, man, I hate Ducks. Like,
Just makes me mad.
That's funny. But, you know, like, some somebody
was trying to be cute and ruined my
wife's jeep. So
Yeah. That's yeah. That's crazy. There's people I
see that just absolutely despise them and there's
people that, like, flo them and have them
covered on their dash. Oh, yeah yeah it.
I couldn't imagine getting in a wreck and
getting a black eye from a duck.
Or get 1 of the hard plastic stick
ones to the face or to the temple
or something a death by duck. What do
those people trying glue them down. So when
they go off road If they if they
go off road, they don't fall all off.
Like, I don't know.
Yeah.
Yeah. I don't know. It's
you know,
in that in that same breath, it it
it's whatever. I think if people enjoy it,
let them enjoy it. But for me, it's
really not my thing, you know, I'm not
gonna
I'll I'll I'll give, you know, what, like,
Onyx sent me some ducks and I handed
them out to people and things like that.
But but
Yes. It's definitely not really my my cup
of tea. It's more of a... Like, if
you go to the mall, you want ducks.
Yeah. I don't go to the mall. So.
Well, it's also... I mean, like it or
not, the point that I think you've made
or we're getting to was that it ends
up creating a community,
and it's almost having Ducks has created 2
communities, people that love the ducks People I
hate the ducks. So people that hate the
Ducks can send each other all the memes
of people like, ripping the Ducks heads off
and throw them across the parking lots and
stuff. So we can enjoyment from Right? While
the other community gets enjoyment of giving people
ducks and getting ducks and we're just like,
yeah. Let's just destroy a ducks. So.
So
So do they not give ducks to cherokee?
Oh, no. Now. Cherokee with trash cans of
Jeep man.
And I got a nice 1 like, I...
We have a cherokee. We in the studio.
I remember a Toy jerk up here on
the wall, so it's a... Oh, not. Oh,
yeah. There you go. Dumpster. Listen.
Fair.
I... That's actually how I fed my off
road addiction prior, you know, previous to Youtube
because, you know, Youtube been around for what,
like, 13 years an now or so. Mh.
Is
I would buy cherokee because they were cheap.
And that's how, like, I could hold my
family in a cherokee. And then
realistically, having the coils in the front, leaf
springs in the back. They're, you know, pretty
decent out of the box. And
I bought 1 for a dollar 1 time.
That they couldn't figure out the overheating issues.
They put a new water pump in a
new thermostat and a new radiator,
and they... It was just overheating They couldn't
figure out what ended up being
was those old Roanoke Jeep, the the lower
radiator hose had a coil in it. Right.
And so you'd grab the... Yeah. So you
could grab the radiator hose, and it felt
like it was good.
But when you pulled it out, the coils
what kept it feeling good felt stiff, but
it was collapsed completely on the inside of
the radiator hose. So I changed it out
with, like, a 15 dollar hose, and then
I was able to sell it for, you
know, 1500 bucks and made a huge profit
a 1500 percent profit. I'm not sure. Yeah.
And and just that story you might have
just solved Tyler's
overheating problem. Yeah. I have a big overheating
issue, and I'm about to the 400 for
a dollar 2. I'll buy it.
I've... It's considered sold already.
But yeah. So, like, you know, that... Especially
the Ren ones, they were, you know, they
had a lot of wiring issues. I bought
a wiring diagram form them and And I
would buy them and and then flip them
I'd fix them. You know, it's been
at the most, maybe 500 bucks for them
and then flip them and make you know,
make a thousand bucks, make 800 bucks on
them. And you know, that, like, for the
cherokee, especially, you know, the the
crank shaft position sensor that sits on the
backside of the transmission on the top of
the transmission. That was super common for those.
And then, like the Gm
the old throttle body Gm. It was your...
Like, it's it's an ignition module basically that
sits underneath your distributor. And
And so they would just die.
And this is the same issue for both
rigs, but it they would just die,
and then people be like, I don't know,
and then it would start and then it
would die again, and and it's just this
1 simple, you know,
15 20 dollar part at the time. And
you could just change it out and then
it fix it. So...
That's kinda how I fed my fed my
off road
payments is is doing that. Right. Sure. And
then have it know, just doing all these
random jobs growing up, You know, I kinda
like the the Roosevelt
motto, Jack of all trades, master and none.
Yeah. That's kinda how I learned
how to work just work on stuff. It's
funny. How, a lot of... It seems like
that's a very common theme in the operating
world, especially the rock crawling world. Right? It's
a lot of
people who just love working with their hands
and have a lot of random knowledge
about how things work.
And they're able to,
Mc ge and put vehicles back together after
we destroy them on our trips. So...
Well, starting a family at, you know, when
you're 19 years old,
you know, you... You're poor. Yeah. So Yeah.
It's either it's either fix it or die.
Because that's how you getting work and pay
your bills. So
You know, my wife and I were... We
were really... I mean, we had a a
little single wide trailer that was built in
the, I think 64 19 64. Mh.
And
and I took a loan out for it
for 4000 bucks, and I remember thinking how
am I gonna be able to afford this
loan, You know, and it was whatever the
payment was was dumb, You know, But
how am I gonna be able to afford
this, and there were times even where we
couldn't afford? Because the lot rent in the
trailer park we lived in had
you know, electricity and everything water was all
part of the lot rents. I don't have
worry about that. But, like, propane I did.
And grown up, you know, live Colorado gets
cold in the winter. Mh. And so there
were times where I couldn't afford propane, so
we would bundle our daughter. Our son wasn't
born yet, but we'd bundle our daughter and
her and my wife and up and... Because
it's just a... It's technically a 2 bedroom
1 bath trailer.
But it was more like a closet and
then, like, a bigger closet.
And then a bathroom. Mh. And so we'd
we'd bundle up with her and blankets. And
then I'd I get 1 of those radiant
heaters that the plug in radiant heaters, oil
style heat. And I'd put that in front
of the door. And I just drained the
water and then know, kinda turn the water
off to the trailer, and then that's how
we would sleep some nights in the winter
because we just couldn't afford propane. So.
But yeah. So it's like, you know, you
kinda learn how to do it. Yeah Yeah.
Center. You know, I can't afford a mechanics.
So... Yep. Sure. You know
I think for me, I needed to have
my kids young. It it, like, it was
forced me to grow up. I had to
probably ended up dead at 25 because I
was out of control and
I, you, fearless. Mh. Like most kids at
that age. But,
legitimately,
fearless. And and so
Yeah. That was a good thing. Good thing
for me and now I got, you know,
2 awesome kids and my daughter, you know,
being
being in my early forties and already having,
you know, a son and and a granddaughter
is pretty cool. So I was just having
Yeah. And being able to, like, be young
enough to play with them too.
That's kinda my worry. I waited. I'm 36,
80. I got 8 04:36.
So I'm 36, and I just had my
case. He's 4 months old now, and I'm,
you know,
it's it's, you know, nice because I waited
so long, so I have the resources to
be able to take care of him and
provide for them and and, you know, have
a family comfortably.
But I worry because I'm like, man, I'm
gonna be in my fifties,
when he's 18 and starting to do all
the fun things that that guys do in
their their late teens and twenties, and I'm
like, alright... Am I gonna be able to
keep up with them? I don't know. So
it's... Well, I can tell you. I can't
keep my son's 20 and I can't keep
up with him now, so it doesn't.
Perfect. There we go. But
but... Yeah, It's... They both have their pros
and cons for sure. It'd be, you know,
my brother's in that boat. So my brother
and I are only a year apart, and,
you know, his kids are just a few
years old. So Mh. It's
you know, I I think I scared him
into being being afraid of girls and kids
and tell he was later in life. But
but, yeah, that's it. Yeah. Good Thank. Yeah.
Yeah. It's and it's both ways. Like I
said, that they both have their pros and
cons for sure. I, you know, being financially
stable to have your kids is probably a
good thing as well.
For sure. Yeah. It's a it's... Yeah. It's...
You know, what is the saying? Half a
dozen
1 way. Half of it does the other?
I don't know whatever takes. My half a
is you got. Man. I got you. It's
not like throwing cats across your footage.
Julie's cliches. So what what moves so you
had these early, You know, you had a
child early. You were doing odd jobs. You
were, you know, flipping
cherokee to make some cash.
That started the off road career. How did
you move from that into Youtube?
Well, so I did I did make some
early early Youtube videos. Like I... We took
some videos. And
before Youtube was monetized.
Yeah. And they actually did really good, like,
at the time. I mean, I'm talking, like,
2800 to 6000 views,
you know, the beginning of Youtube. Yeah. Because
I was doing stuff, that other Youtubers weren't,
you know, like Carnage Canyon and Bun vista
had just, like, just opened up. And so
I was doing trails like that, which I
got to help know, kinda put that trail
in and and help work on...
I've helped put in a lot of trails
over the years too. You know, people
people are kinda anti 4 drive clubs, and
I'm gonna tell you that I've lost trails
that I worked on because the National Forest
and Beyond they don't recognize single entity. They
recognize
companies here or or organizations associations and
and
organizations. And so
I learned the hard way that if you
wanna keep a trail, you have to you
have to be part of a 4 drive
club, and you have to be part of
ones. There's a lot of ones out there
now that they're just get together, you know,
drink beer and do... And and 4 wheel,
but the ones that are actually proactive in
the off road community, putting in trails, marking
trails. It's a 6 to 10 year process
to put a trail in and... A lot
of people don't know that. And so...
But... Yeah. So it kinda worked out that
way for the Youtube side, You know, as
as doing some stuff, and it was doing
really good, but it wasn't paying any bills.
So I didn't focus on it a whole
lot. I learned how to edit and make
things like that. And as I went forward,
I just... I got into the oil field,
and I stayed in the oil field for
a long time. And so the nice thing
about that is I could work hard.
And then on my 2 weeks off, I
could work on my rig and then take
the family 4 wheel, You know? So,
you know, and to end and be able
to you know, try these harder things and,
you know, you know, every time you build
a rig, you're like, the next 1 I'm
gonna build, I'm gonna change this and this.
You know? So
So that's... You know, I've I've I owned
I owned so many vehicles at 1 point
that the state of Colorado actually sent me
a letter saying if I auto sold another
vehicle, I'd have to get a dealer license.
And half the vehicles I wasn't even changed
in the title over into my name
like, yeah.
I anchored.
But
yeah, that's
you know, so so step forward,
quite a few years. My dad was
a heavy... He he recently passed away, but
he was a heavy Youtube watcher. He really
enjoyed
watching Youtube, watching people build stuff. I mean,
even grown up like we watched,
extreme 4 by 4, You know, like and
John, you know, and and and and jesse
and and, yeah, back in the day. And
and
you know, and some, you know, like, 4
wheeler Tv and think, you know and and
Scott or what was the super lifts off
road adventures that Trent Mcgee did. You know.
Yeah. And yeah, some of that stuff and
that... And so
you know, he he liked watching that on
Youtube as well.
And he told me he's like, hey, you
know, bleep and Jeep Matt is looking for
an f c.
And looking for an Fc.
And
I was actually headed
across the country. We lived in South Dakota
at the time. And
and we lived up there for about 12
years. And I was headed across the country
with an empty trailer because I was buying,
I
I had sold
1 of my rigs to buy a twisted
customs Buggy.
And my buddy, Jason Poly owns, twisted customs.
And, you know... Anybody knows anything about, like,
old school rock crawling.
Twist customs kinda set the stage. For bug.
Right? They set the stage for link design,
and Bug ease. And that's where, you know,
like, Red dot and and even Jesse hands
a of these guys kinda, you know, followed
into that. Okay. We need to build them
like this, and and they've taken it to
the next level, of course. But twisted customs
definitely started. Well, I had this guy. Was
gonna sell me a a buggy, and I
was I was like, oh, man Cool. You
know, We had a handshake deal on it.
I sold my rig, and then he backed
out.
With the agreement that I'd have to sell
my rig. So
so he backed out.
And so now I was buggy. And I
was, man, I need something like now because
I'm losing my mind. And Tim Cameron had
a a little rear steer Samurai.
And so, you know, and he lives out
Tennessee. So I just messaged Matt and said,
hey, you know, if you're if you're picking
something up from this side of the country,
I'm heading over with an empty trailer.
And
So, you know, he got back with me
and and then
said that, yeah. I got 1, you know,
in Utah, if you wouldn't mind picking it
up, you know, I could pay you the
difference going down to Utah and grabbing it.
So I went down to Utah grabbed it,
went out there, and then we kinda hit
it off actually realizing that he had kids
young as well.
We're both the same age
and,
you know, both obviously kinda
started on Cherokee.
Whole lot of it was on cherokee. And,
yeah. And then that kinda just spiral from
there.
I was still in the oil field and
then doing Youtube and then when when the
oil tank for the last time, you know,
it was getting the was just like, you
know what? I can stay with Youtube and
just try to make this work. And then
that kinda how how that worked. But I've
always you know, even in the oil field
as I moved up, you know, you learn
how to teach people stuff. You really wanna...
You know, I want... The more people know,
like, I like knowledge.
And so if I can share knowledge, even...
Like I said, you know, my motto for
my channel is there's the right way to
do it the wrong way to do it
and the way I do it. So and,
like, I understand saying that I'm doing it
the right way. I'm just saying this works
for me. And
so, like,
You know, you learn... You kinda learn how
to... You know, if you've ever been a
a boss or a manager,
you learn immediately that you're more than just
a boss or a manager. You're also
you know, you're also, you know, a teacher.
You're also a psychiatrist, sometimes you're also, you
know, like,
all kinds of things, especially in the oil
field because these guys are away from their
families for a long time and there's all
kinds issues with that and
And so you you learned to really try
to help people out, and I've always liked
helping people out.
And so with the Youtube side, I was
like, what I wanted to do was, you
know, share history, share my knowledge, but also
see if I can help people out if
somebody's like, hey. You know, like I just
recently not too long ago did a video
that didn't really do that great. I was
like, I'm gonna do it anyway. I knew
it wouldn't take off, but it was just
had a d to tire, basically on c
to tire. Mh. And I had a lot
of... But older guys messaged me and say,
man, there were some ways that you showed
me that I didn't... You know, I've been
doing this my whole life and didn't know
that I could change this, you know, pop
a tire off a bead this way. So
so that kind of stuff I I like
that a lot. You know, when people kind
send you private messages and say, hey, you
know, you really helped me or or or
even like, you know, there's a of people
that say that you need changed their life.
Like, you're the reason they get up in
the morning and stuff. And that's that's huge.
Just like, man, I did not realize I
was making an impact like that. And it's
Yeah. That's that's just, like, you know, he
gives you all the field goods. That's absolutely
like... That's it keeps you good motivation Keep
going. Yeah. I had a video where I
was just... I was doing an upgraded suspension
on a fore runner, and I just said
something nonchalant.
I was, like, hey, whenever you pull a
tire off, just throw it underneath the vehicle
so that if randomly the vehicle falls off
Jack stands, it falls onto the tire,
instead of on to you underneath. And I
had a guy messaged me and said, you
saved my life.
I was working on my vehicle in the
driveway. It fell off Jack stands. It fell
onto the tires. I got bruised up and
banged up, but I was able to climb
out from underneath the vehicle, and I was
like, Oh my gosh. Like,
Like, I can't... Like, I saved somebody's life
just by saying something randomly on Youtube. You
know, it's it's pretty wild and crazy, and
I'm so thankful I was able to help.
No. Yeah. For sure. That I wish I
would thought about that when I was, like,
20 because I was doing a suspension on
a a grand cherokee
And
like I said, I was doing everything out
in the granite under dirt on a hill.
And
my jack stands collapsed underneath themselves and the
rear bumper landed right in the middle of
chest. Oh, shit. And I couldn't breathe that
I was trying to scream and every time
I try to scream I lose more oxygen
out of my lungs, and I ended digging
myself out to the point, like, just digging
with 1 hand that I had free
and
got climbed out underneath it or, you know,
because the least the the where the frame
hit the ground, and then I just dug
myself out underneath, but I could barely breathe.
I barely had enough oxygen to get it
through it. Oh. Got out of
They feel like is big old bruise on
my sternum. Yeah. Holy crap.
That's crazy.
Wow Yeah. You learn... You you make mistakes
and you learn from those. That's that's the
biggest thing. I think people think that you
you have knowledge and it's like, most of
the time your knowledge comes from personal experience
of your own mistakes.
Yeah.
So here in the recent future, you actually
left Bleep in Jeep, and you moved on
to start your own Youtube channel. Do you
wanna talk a little bit about, oh, why
that happened end? Yeah. Well, you know, the
the biggest thing was it was just time
to move on to my own. I I
was pushing a lot of you know, bleep
and Jeep is kinda pigeon hold into Jeep.
And
every time I built something that was non
jeep,
you know, I would get... I'd get a
decent amount of flack for it.
Interesting. Okay. Yeah. Just because, you know, well,
this isn't a Jeep why am I watching
bleep and Jeep, You know? And it's like,
Yeah. But I'm still showing how to work
on vehicles. I'm still showing you how to.
Like, I could be designing... Literally, like, I
redesigned
my entire suspension on that you know, that
samurai I got from Tim Cameron
was set up more to jump and it
wasn't set up to rock crawl. And so
I redesigned that entire. So suspension and redesign
the cage and redesigned, you know, and made
all new things and showed people how to
do that, and I get flack for it
because it wasn't a jeep.
And so, you know, it's like, man. Yeah.
I'm, you know, I wanna build stuff. I
wanna show people out to build stuff. You
know? I think Yeah.
Understand the system. And once you once you
really understand how that system works like a
suspension system or your axle system, then you
can apply it at all or ever... Any
vehicle, Any any platform. So...
Yeah. That was my motivation for the S
10 last year was
You know, last year, the the winner got
to go to ultimate. An ultimate deb adventure
have been on my bucket list for forever.
The problem with ultimate deb adventures is it's
very expensive. Mh. You know, it... It's very
expensive to travel wherever they're gonna go get
those hotel rooms, get all the, you know,
and and if fuel, and then if you
break parts and you need parts.
And so I knew that if I could
represent On Off Road, I would have the
opportunity to maybe have them kinda foot some
of that bill, and that's kinda how that
worked out. But
that was hoping that, you know, I've always
wanted to do ultimate adventure, so that was
on my list, and I was motivated,
very, very motivated for that build. And I
knew
that
starting with an s 10,
I hadn't seen, you know, me and my
brother built a sonoma years and years ago,
solved axle swapped it, you know, and did
all that. So I knew what it would
take to make that. And
I just hadn't seen anybody build an s
10 in a long time. So that's the
old you know, the mini squares.
Yeah. And I was like, you know, lee
springs still work good. Like, you're not gonna
get the same flex you get with links
and coil overs and all that, but you
can build a leaf spring suspension. Mh. You
know, like I said, my old 4 runner,
like we're talking about earlier. You know, I
did you know, Carnage. I did Boulder Canyon.
I did, you know, tons of, like, extreme,
you know, captain Crunch, you know, which is
probably, you know, and crunch and boulder candidates
on the toughest trails in the country in
my opinion. And,
you know, did those with leaf Springs. You
know, a 4 runner on leaf Springs. Mh,
you know, At granted, I want 1 tons.
But
but, you know, so you don't have to
have the fanciest
suspension, and that's why I was motivated to
build that rig
on as much of a budget as I
could, You know, and you can pick those
s tens up. You can still pick them
up cheap, Like, they're just cheap trucks, and
they got a decent flat form Drivetrain train
wise. You know, you got, you know, 4.3
you know, and then depending on your transmission,
you know, a decent a decent 5 speed
or or the 700 R 4 and then
at 02:31, which 02:30 ones are, you know,
they've held up to a lot of stuff.
You know, they're not the strongest transfer case
in the world by any means. But usually,
when guys break them, it's because of 1
or 2 things that they're bolts are loose
or they didn't have fluid in it.
Right. Yeah.
Yeah. The the 4 3 is such an
awesome,
engine
power source too. It's a it's
I wish that it would... There was more
stuff written out there about how to put
the 4 3 and utilize it in other
vehicles.
Right. Yeah. And it's what's funny too is
like the throttle body is the same as
the 03:50.
The... The 4 3 is a chevy 03:50
minus 2 cylinders. Same bore stroke.
Same, you, like, same connecting rods, same valve,
same everything. Everything else is the same. It's
just short 2 cylinders, You know, And you
talk about,
like,
You know, like, when Tracy Jordan was competing
in in We rock, and
he had that what they call that the
Sc motor that was an Ls,
that was chopped in half. You know, there's
he was we're still in AV4
ls. Wow. And it's, like, no wonder, he
was just dominating. You're talking about an aluminum
that chop in half that can has tons
of power. Yeah. And you have all the
great engineering because, I mean, you know, you
can you can love or hate know, I'm
not a vehicle P by any means. I
I think there's a great...
I think every company has great and bad
stuff. Mh. And
you know,
I'm sorry, but an Ls, anybody can take
an L, And you see these kids, you
know, what? They'll grab a, you know, a
250000
mile
throw a couple Chinese spool boys on there
and just go rip down the road and
give it all the beans and the thing
is still holding up, You know, which is
crazy to me. Yeah. It's pretty nuts. Have
you have you seen the new 4 cylinder
Ls?
I don't think Have actually no. It's it's
very
impressive. The stats that they're claiming from it.
It's something like,
450
horsepower.
And, like, Oh, was a 350
foot pound torque, 300. So I don't have
semi rather there. And it's it's very... And
it's, like,
aluminum
based blocking and everything. It's super lightweight twin
turbo, I believe. It's... I'm I'm interested to
see it as a crate motor and see
what people do with it because it's it's
it looks
pretty phenomenal, but I haven't heard of anybody
getting 1 yet and doing anything with it.
So... Yeah. They're probably a out of the
price range of most of us that are...
They would wanna do some.
But. Right? Yeah. That's... I mean, that's, like,
my perfect my perfect tow truck we would
be a ford king ranch cab with cummins
and an Alison. So I'd make every curious.
Yeah.
For that.
Oh, it's funny. So the s 10 actually,
won, the build challenge last year. So you
were... Want... I want you to give us
a quick rundown of the build of the
S 10, what you kinda did with it.
And then
talk a wee bit about the off road
challenge.
Yeah. So the way... The way... The only
way I could figure I could sell it
on bleep and Jeep was using Jeep Leaf
spring, So I went with
GYJ
front springs. Yep. And that was my selling
point for that. And then, obviously, kinda pitching
that, like, the 5 speeds are kinda interchangeable.
And the 02:30 ones are kind of interchangeable.
The front parts are different, but the guts
are the same. And so I went with
old school stuff, ma'am, my brother and I,
you know, pirate 4 by 4,
you know, there's was a guy that used
to make 02:31 double, and
that's what we did on his sonoma was
02:31 double. And so that's what I did
on this was, you know, dual up cases,
which is, you know, super common for most
people with 5 speed transmission Toyota guys, you
know, they'll they'll do triple k stuff. So
that's common there. And and, you know, and
same with my samurai, you know, both my
samurai had dual cases and they're both manuals
as well. But but... Yeah. So, you know,
the the 02:30 ones, I think we're a
big hit. That really brought back. There's a
company Fro now that makes those. And
and I bought it. You know, I didn't
ask him for a discount or nothing, and
just bought it and ordered it and, you
know, and saw what... How, how it showed
up. And, you know, he was I was
almost getting worried that it wasn't gonna show
up, and I was gonna have to have
machine shop make it because he was not
responsive on emails. He was... I was like,
this is... Is this the same dude that
used to be on pirate? Because he was
the same way. Like, you would call him
and he wouldn't answer...
Yeah. It's gonna ship out tomorrow and then
4 months later, it ships since. And
but, you, you know, it ended up showing
up, and
And then I, you know, did that, and,
you know, I found a junkyard axles. So
the the front 60 was
you know, it was a snow fighter, you
know, the 78 79, which is a rare
a rare 60.
And usually, people want stupid money for those.
Fortunately,
mine like, the... They were worried that it
might have been bent or twisted because it
wasn't a bad fire. Like, there was
everything was melted on it, and it was
the second worst
smell at... When I pulled that diff cover,
You know like, you're old doesn't smell that
great anyway, but it was the second worst
1. Like, I was gag off it And
the worst 1II swear the person pooped in
it. Like, I'm I'm just... I'm swear.
It was a guy he... It had some
other dude, another company put the the gears
in, and he kept bringing it back to
him, and then it was, like, and it
kept... They kept putting them in wrong or,
you know, mess them up, mess them up.
And I'm pretty sure those people actually literally
pooped in it, put the cover back on
and just send them down the road and
until gave the finger.
That's why you came to me and then
I pulled off the, you know, the poop
diff, I think. But but... Yeah.
Like, there's a new pre everybody's at camp.
Right? Particularly. So
So, yeah, you know, that was
it was a nasty, nasty rebuild
to rebuild that 60, but, you know,
that was 1 of the things. Like, Yukon
was 1 of the title, you know, title
sponsors, they're elite member for for On. So
you know, I could get every single part
that I needed for it. And the rebuild
stuff, as far as the rebuild parts go
don't didn't count towards your build on the
on that. So.
I could get, like, King pens. I I
actually charge that to the build anyway, but,
like, you know, I I could get the
King Henry rebuild and, you know, breaks and
all that stuff.
And re... You know, So I rebuilt that
axle, you know, inside out, and then
and, you know, checked it, and it was
true. You know, I didn't have to worry
about it being in dent or nothing, so
that worked out. And then, you know, kinda
went on a budget with it.
You know, I've changed the shafts out since,
but went with a, you know, I only
did the outer stubs, the 35 sp outer
stubs Because maybe a lot of people don't
know this, but, like, Dana sixties, a lot
of them are 30 sp out. Mh. And
they are usually the first thing to break.
And then the second thing
the lockout. So that's why I went with
the 35 sp outer and then the and
then the Uc yukon lockout.
You know, So I broke, you know, I
broke pretty much every lockout out there. In
fact, I've even broke 1 Yukon lockout, but
I won't blame Yukon for it.
I had a, a shaft that was too
long and it actually caught the lockout because
the Yukon lockout sit inward, and it caught
the lockout caught at, like, 40 miles an
hour. James just ram jammed it. Yeah. It
made it made a pretty rad noise too.
So I all that bad. And I told
probably locked up.
And
yeah. It it it broke it pretty good,
but it cooked it at the same time.
But then the rear 14 bolt
actually had an Ar ar b and 05:13
gears in it. Wow. And I got it.
The guy wanted
a thousand bucks and he was up in
Bismarck, North Dakota. This is the time. Nobody
wants to go.
Go right that. Yeah. And and
I was like, man, that's a good deal,
but, you know, had crane cover disc brakes,
and I was like, yeah. I don't know.
And then he dropped to 800 bucks. Then
he dropped it to 600 bucks.
And I was like, okay. I have a
buddy that lives in Bismarck. I should at
least call them and have him go look
at this thing. And it was exactly like
I expected. It had... It did have an
Air ar
that the seals were no good. It had
it had gears that weren't set up right.
You know, It had all the stuff
But it, you know, it's like, okay. I
gotta rebuild this as well. So it it
was 1 of those situations where, you know,
I had to rebuild the entire thing, and
then and then put it back together. But
since then, you know, I've probably put...
Gosh, maybe
15000 miles on that s 10,
you know, leaf sprung. You know, I showed
people, you know, like, you guys probably know
us being Toyota guys. You're, like, the old
school train of thought with Toyota just make
know, make your rear shocks into a v.
Mh. You know, reverse v. Mh. And then,
you know, you'll get more flex, but it
rides, like, trash and it doesn't actually help
your suspension at all. So, like, making your,
you know, your chalk straight and getting them
in the outside of your frame rail as
close to the outside of your frame rails
as you can. And just stuff like that
and you know, moving my... Going down with
1
1 break line up upfront, and then and
then running hard lines across my
across my axle and then doing soft lines
right at the call.
So you don't catch twig and rocks. Mh.
That's a that's a huge 1. I see
that
May I I didn't run into that problem
until I went up to South Dakota. So
south Dakota has a lot... They get a
lot of down trees. In the winter. So
in the summer, like, you know, because they
close the trails from November to May. So
when you get out there in May, and
you're hitting trails
early on, there's just tons of debris that
comes up and tries to stab your tires
or rip out brake lines. So that was
something I actually talked about that I learned
from, Jason Paul actually. Hey. You should move
your brake lines down, you know, single on
it down the middle and then kick him
off and then just have a tiny little
break line for your steering. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah.
Cool.
So how was the how was the build
challenge then with the S 10? And how
did it do what kind of the the
contests you guys were competing in and how
did you feel that you... How'd did you
feel the S 10 was gonna do versus
how it actually did in the contest?
Well, 1 of the things that I I
knew is I was looking at...
I was looking at what Nate was doing.
And I was like, man, you know, he's
gonna... You, he's running a solid platform form.
Mh. You know, a a land cruiser already
coil. You know, it's already linked.
You know, run an Rc shafts in it.
I'm like, this is gonna be a good
rig. And I didn't know... You know, we
didn't know where we were going yet.
I wanted to just have fun.
You know, I wanted it to be more
fun and that guys got a little serious
with it. I wanted to just be more
fun. Now
I did have... I... Although I'd had never
done those specific trails and Mont, I did
have some home field advantage wheel and Mont,
and I feel like Probably wield some harder
trails
than those guys had seen before, Mh. Just
from
wheel harder trails. I was in into hardcore
rock crawling. And
And so... And actually,
way back in the day, when you rock
existed, I was a spotter in You rock
too for a team Effing and Zoo suzuki.
So I was like, I spotted in that.
My buddy Sheldon was a driver, and I
spotted for him a few times as well.
So there was there was that. So I
had
you know, some competitive rock crawling experience on
top of that. But
they s 10 exactly like I thought, you
know, it's leaf sprung rig so you have
to drive it like a leaf sprung. Yep
You know, I did some things that were,
you know, prepped for it, you know, making
the bottom of flat belly,
and
and, you know, going 1 tons, I think
is at advantageous, you know. I think Nate
was, you know, still, you know, Toyota Axles,
you can build them as strong as you
want. You're on 40 inch tall tires.
You gotta drive, like, you know, just like,
building, a, you know, anything. Know, you... You...
If you don't put 1 tons in it,
you gotta drive it like the axles that
are underneath it. Yeah. And
so you gotta prepare for that. I like
being over built
for from what I'm doing. And then I
don't have to worry about it. So that
was kinda of my theory with the s
10.
And,
you know, I I did get a little
bit, a seat time in it. I didn't
really get to wheel it, but I got
the flex it. I got to drive it.
I drove it around. I drove the s
10 around. We'll get for even building it
to make sure that it was halfway dependable.
It didn't have a collapse lower radiator hose.
Yeah. Right.
And you know, our a blown head gasket
like naked that.
You know, so it was unfortunate for him.
But, you know, and I saw what Rudy
was taken on and and know, I was
like, well, he's got a lift and he
has a plasma table, so he can do
a lot more things and I I had
the ability to do in my single car
garage.
You you know, a lot of people don't
realize too when you're setting up length suspensions.
You gotta tune those, you know, especially with
coil overs. Like, it takes a little time.
It's... You're, you know, you're tuning it, you're
working it your flexing in it, and it's
a lot of work. And so,
you know, that's that's some of the stuff
that
why, I was just kinda sticking with the
kiss method, you know, keep it simple stupid.
Mh. And
you know, I was I was prepared for
it to do well.
You know, when we went to Mont, I
was not prepared. I was I was like,
man, we were doing stuff that, like, this
was supposed to be kind of an overland
trip, and we're doing stuff, that is definitely
not. There's no overland running in any trailing
in Mont.
Hands down. Like, there's just not. So that
was 1 of the things that I definitely
was
like, well, we're gonna do some hardcore wheel.
You know, like, this is legit. We're gonna
give you some hardcore stuff. So
this year this year is to be a
little different. We're doing a trail though that
is on my bucket list. It's been on
my bucket list for a long time for
my buggy. Supposed So I'm curious how this
is gonna play out. But Mh. I am
excited,
you know, moving forward. You know, the ended
great. And it's still doing great. I still
use it regularly. Mh used it as my
lumber truck as my daily driver, you know,
it has Ac,
Like, it it does it does great. So
I'm... I can't be upset. You know, 1
thing I would like to do in the
future is I'd like to make a bed
for it.
And a flatbed?
Yeah. Well, kind of. I wanna make a
utilitarian bed. So it'd be more
a little everything. Like, I wanna have toolbox,
integrated toolbox and and have my tire placed
a little different. Still have a cooler and
I don't want it just to be, like,
a simple flatbed with some boxes mounted on
it or something, But I want it to
be like a a legit
utilitarian bed that has, you know, hook points
and
and just things that I can do with
that.
The... As far as the the rest of
it, you know, it wouldn't hurt
You know, I put a big transmission cooler
on it, and so it holds a lot
more fluid, but it wouldn't hurt, you know,
it had... It's got 230000
miles on it. Probably wouldn't hurt get another
another motor and another transmission 1 day and
just put them in. Mh. I mean, right
now, they're still working just fine, but I
wouldn't mind doing that. I'd like to make
a trip to Alaska, Alaska has been on
my bucket list. That's on my budget list
too. I'm like... Yeah. I'd like to drive
it. So
To do that, I think it'd be nice
just to have all new. New parts. You
know, everything else behind that, You know, I
I've built... You know, I rebuilt both of
those transfer cases, and I rebuilt the axles.
So they're all new. You know, they got
20, 30000 miles on them, but it wouldn't
hurt to probably put a motor and transmission
in it. Cool. For the future. But, yeah,
it did really well. You know, it it
worked really good on the trails and
you know, it did good and ultimate adventure,
and
and you know, that was all in the
East Coast, so I had to give it...
You know, you have to give it the
east Coast bump on a lot of that
stuff. Yeah have a little more. Well more
pal.
Which is unusual for me to have, you
know, I I say I say 4 point
3V6
power. But like my... Both my samurai bug,
you know, one's got a 22 r, you
know, roll 2.4, and then the other one's
A168
valve with a turbo on, they're both on
propane, so, know, propane rob a little power.
Mh. And
so... Yeah, Having having that extra... That extra
little bit of go juice makes a big
difference for sure. Sure. Nice. Alright. So the
last year, you kinda ended up, you won
the you won. The build challenge with On,
and then you got to go an ultimate.
You had a lot of fun there.
What is in the works for this year's
build challenge now.
So this year, I picked up a 19
76 Amc Pace.
And,
I mean, and I knew... I knew it
a dave. Yeah You know.
And I knew Fred and Dave had built
1. You know, they... They're both friends of
mine, and I knew they had built built
1 on dirt... Dirt every day when dirt
every day was around. But they just kinda
threw some jeep axles under it, you know,
some... And and like, I I'd swear the
things got cherokee leaf Springs. But
I was hoping
I was hoping in it. My car looks
just like the wayne Road car, Like it's
100 percent. It's the same color for same
color. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And
I was originally thinking I wanted to just
put a 4 liter in it, you know,
3 speed auto because... You know, that they
had a 02:58 and a 07:27.
So 30 2RH and a 4 liter would
work good in there. And then, a, you
know, tee case and then do some, you
know, full with axles. Well, 30 As we
started breaking it down and and the time
constraints, I'm in the middle of building a
shop right now. So I'm like, I have
no way of putting this car together the
way I want to. Well, good. You you
and Na, both on the same this right.
Yeah.
I think this is a what much farther
along. I don't even have power in my
shop yet. I think use extension cords.
But
but... Yeah. So I'm I'm
put putting that together.
And so I asked Onyx if I could
bring on an another partner with Rory. And
so
We brought the card to Rory, and that
was at least advantageous for the fact that,
you know, I could use his tools. I
could use his lift.
And we decided that it would be easier
to start with a frame.
And so I I used my old jeep
wrangler. I got ATJ.
And so I was able to, you know,
pull body on and off on and off
on and off. Now here's 1 thing I
can tell you about the car versus the
Wrangler.
Nothing lines up the same. Like, it's a
yes.
You know, nothing. Like, the engines in a
totally different spot for the t. The transmissions
in a different spot. So we had cut
my a huge chunk of the firewall to
get it down. Now as far as the
the cars base design, like the under belly
versus the Tj frame design are really close.
So that part was nice. I was able
to kinda get that mocked in there.
And get that that part of it done.
Right now, I'm in a very dangerous spot
though because it looks super cool. Like, there's
a car on the frame. You know I
got this little char that looks
looks like it's functioning, and I don't have
axles. I don't have suspension. I don't have
running drivetrain training. I don't have any of
that stuff.
So
So now, you know, you're in the process
of building all of these... Or making all
the stuff that you may not have that
visual
stabilization on Mh. As I go forward. But,
you know, my plan is still to...
I wanna make... I wanna make a race
car. So, like, you know, kind of an
off road racer. I haven't seen
you know, they've raised Pace before, but they
were still like the 2 wheel drive pace.
So
I'm excited to build
an off road pace that, you know, can
jump.
And my my goal, my ultimate goal is
I would like to run the Baja with
it. So... Wow. Wow. That's that's kinda what
I want to do. Okay. Run. So the
baja. Are the shocks gonna go through the
hood? Like, how are you gonna
that off? That's that's what I wanted to
do. I I scored some
box 2 and a half inch coil overs
that are 12... They're 12 inch. So
which realistically you get over 14 inches, and
most of most of the time you're never
gonna use any more than that. I I
wanted to find some 16 or 18, and
then I'll just limit them and exactly that,
like, make it, like mass and furious style
where you just see these coil overs blown
through the hood. And I might still have
them coming up through the hood, we'll see.
But
But the the goal is is to have
a functional car. So I got a 9
inch. You know, a lot of people don't
know this, but, like, most vehicles,
your rear axles narrower than your front axle,
and that's... So you have a better turning
radius. Yep. And so I pulled my 9
inch out of a van,
So it's actually the same width as my
front 44. So the vans actually have a
wider stance. So
My van is 67 inches I think, and
then my 44, which is out of like
a 78 ford pickup is also
67
inches hub to hubs. So
I'm gonna have the same wheel base
front back, which kinda... I like... When it
comes to off road,
you're not so much worried about turning radius.
No. And I like having the the Prom
method, you know, wider is better. Yep. The
old cardiac commercials. So... Mh.
So, yeah. I'd like having that stability. So
that's that's the goal as a 9 inch
and a 44
instead doing 1 tons. I'm gonna focus on
37 inch tall tires. And
and kinda go that route, which is gonna
be a little bit different, but
I I... I'm gonna try to do trailing
arms in the back.
Mh. And if I can make that work,
I'm gonna run trailing arms. And then is
there a room underneath the chassis enough enough
space in the wheel base to get trailing
arms in there?
The car is a
unrealistic
wider than people think. It is hue. That
is a full size mini car, Like, it
is so big. It looks tiny. Oh, I
know they look small. You gotta remember too,
though, like, me and Rory are both 6
foot 5 and, you know, I'm 02:50, and
he's you know, 2 80 or something like,
we're not smaller guys. And so we look,
we make the car look smaller than it
is, but a car is massive. Like, Oh,
wow. It's so much bigger than that, Wrangler.
Like, I had to stretch that Wrangler 13
or the frames 13 inches just to fitted
under the wheel base, and then
the tires that stuck out, those are 10
inch wide wheels,
granted it's just a 44 and a 30
like stock Tj j axles, but they're offset
out wheels
10 inch wide wheels they stuck way out
on that Wrangler. They are flush with the
width of that car. Wow.
Okay. Yeah. There is there. I I was...
I wasn't familiar with what a Pace is.
And once I I've googled it real quick
while we've been talking. And I was like,
okay. That's a pace. And 1 of the
the first things on there is... Well, hey,
it's your video with Rory,
tackling a Pace out in Moa app. But,
then there's was a little blurb that said,
that the car is almost a wider than
it is long.
Oh, yeah. It's ridiculous. It's like.
They square. I've had people send me commercials
from you know, they found commercials on those
pace, and that's actually what they would brag
about is how wide the car was. Like,
it's a wide stance
full size
short car, you know, or whatever. But... Yeah,
That... They...
It's a much bigger car people think. Fortunately,
You know, like, Immediately had people sending me
stuff from for the wayne rolled stuff. So
I have...
At some point, Rory and I... You know,
I got a whole garth get up, and
and he's got a, you know, Wayne get
up, and
I actually had my buddy, Trevor.
Used to be on Matt's offer recoveries now
mis venture labs.
He made me a licorice dispenser, like a
little legit liquor
other deals and everything. So
I'll have to figure out how to mount
that to where it's like, a temporary mount,
so it's not in the race car race
car part, but where I can, like, mount
it pulled in and out. You don't wanna
have licorice while you're going down the Baja.
Wow. I'm afraid that it like things would
fly off. Like, there's, like, a little cutter,
you know, little razor of laying cutters and
stuff to cut it. And yeah. I don't
meet that in the eyeball. So... So just,
like, put ducks on my dash. I don't
want that.
Are you gonna get the vinyl like, a
vinyl sticker of the flames behind the tire
too?
Even better. So here go. I got a
bet... I got a better 1 for you.
The... So I won't you know, you can
get those off of ebay actually. Okay. And
and
I was like, man, this car is going
to Sema. Like, Do I really wanna just
throw some ebay stickers, flame stickers on it,
and I haven't a gotta reach out to
me that wanted to do a sign for
the shop.
His name's Jason, and
He does pins driving.
And so I asked
like, pins stripes. My is piece steal that
I'm always jealous of. Yeah. And so, yeah,
I asked him and I said, hey, you
know, would you be interested in doing a
pen strip, Like, here's the design. I wanna
keep the same design. Mh. But making some
red Pins dried flame setup up for this
thing. He's like, I'll definitely do that. So
Yeah gonna be awesome. That's that's the route
we're going with what's so cool.
But we I wanna kinda... It's gonna kinda
look, you know, similar to like, the fast
and furious charger.
Where it had the tie, you know, dual
tires in the back and all that stuff.
Like, I'm gonna kinda... I want to be
a cool looking rig, and I want to
be functional
I I did a barnes, the barnes TJ4
link underneath. So it's gonna have... You know,
so it's got a strong belly and a
good more link platform that I welded up
underneath it. And
yeah, Coil overs and then a 44 and
a 9 inch, You know, I think it's
gonna be a good combo for 30 sevens.
Yeah. And a vehicle. It's not gonna be
super heavy. So...
Yeah.
Well, so was very smart of you to
actually kinda utilize a
frame that is standard and,
has a lot of,
options, options for it already. Right? So it's...
You're not reinventing the wheel completely.
I mean, you are mash 2 different vehicles
together, but frame down is all kind of
been
established and understood and there's a lot of
research on that and frame up is, kind
of all big point around when what you
gonna play around Right. Figuring.
Biggest thing is I'll have to make my
own... You know, I'm still gonna make my
own
suspension design under it. Know, there's so many
suspensions under their
that people that you can buy and weld
in, but, you know, we're still on a
budget. So most of those coil over kits
for Tj j, Jk k, Jail, any of
them,
are are the max of my budget.
There are. Okay. Yeah. So so, yeah. It
it... It's... But it was nice to start
with a box frame. I mean, that's the
biggest thing was just starting out having a
good strong frame.
And then I'm not trying... Like, you're saying,
I'm not trying to reinvent the wheel. I
already have the engine in there. Like, the
engine the mounted, the transmissions mounted. The tee
case is mounted.
And,
you know, that's that's the biggest thing. You
know, If you guys And I don't know
if you have or not, But like, you
ever built your own rock buggy.
There's a reason why companies that sell rock
buggy sell rolling chassis because, like, that's the
easiest part of it. At when you come
into do in your plumbing and setting up
your pedals and setting up your steering and
your wiring, and that's the stuff that just
eats up time, and that's what kills people
on buggy builds. Yep. That's why I like,
when people say, I wanna, you know, I
wanna build a buggy, you know, I say,
well, either start with 1 that's affordable. You
know, like, Thomas, know, fabric 1 of those
guys, you know, they make pretty nice setups
and they'll sell you all the brackets. You
know, I think Randy Sla does that. I
think a lot of these guys are doing
that now where they're, like, setting up. Here's
an entire kit, you know, even Jesse Haynes.
So, like, here's an entire kit where then
you can put this drivetrain in and bolt
in. Yeah. But, like, I try to push
people more towards the t world. Like, man,
just pick up a t,
cut the, you know, the... Like, if you
cut the front of the frame off, you
can run a tube around it around your
engine. Mh. Cut the back the frame off,
you know, and kinda build some tubes around
the back, and then you can link it
up and and then you already have... You're
not trying to reinvent the wheel when it
comes to, like, setting up your steering. Your
steering there. Your pedals there, your seats are
there. You know, all that stuff is already
there. And then you're just building a buggy
around a firewall rig. Yeah. Where it's a
lot easier. I think that's a time saver
for sure.
Yeah. Definitely. That's a...
Yeah. Getting all the the little intricacies, the
electrical
wiring harness
down and everything. If that's all set for
you. Yeah. The the axles and drivetrain stuff
is goes right together because that's what... I
mean, a lot of this industry. The rock
crawling industry at least.
Is out there, because that's what we focus
on our axles and so what we like.
So there's a lot of stuff
already done ready to go.
So you can just kinda pick and choose
your flavor that day and throw it under
a semi my completed thing and then finish
it off with what you want.
Yep. And I've been I've been really blessed
to be, you know, friends with a lot
of lot of people in the off road
industry over the years and and just
you know, learn and talk, you know, when
when somebody that's been doing it for a
long time, tells me me something, and I'll
sit there and listen. You know, I've great
case in point. So I was
gosh, 19, maybe.
And
we're working at 4 parts, Shannon Campbell
was down
for...
It might have been the very first Xr
r a. So, like, pre... Yeah. Pre,
ultra 4. Mh.
And
I can't remember if there's that or 1
of the Rock crawl events. But anyway,
I built a a while link for my
Ka coma. I had a Coma and
I, you know, I have both my upper
wi lengths, you know, it's just like what
everybody still sells which drives me bad, But,
you know, like, it's you know, lower long
arms and then coming off the lower long
arms to your upper arms.
And
he took a pin
and he's like, look, the reason you keep
messing up and your rig is, like dive
bombing when you come off of cliff is
because your your links are too hard mounted
on the upper side. He said, remove 1
of those up lengths. He said if you
have your fingers, you took a pin and
put his fingers on each end of the
pin and flex it. And you can feel
the pin bind. Yep. And then he took
1 of the links off and he's, like,
now, it's not binding. Yeah. So you take
your finger off the 1 side of the
pin, and then it's not binding anymore. And
he's like, you take your upper link off
and you run a 3 link.
He's like, now your regal flex, your won't
die bomb, your body won't roll as you
driving off stuff, and it won't try to
break and fracture your weld. Mh. And once
I did that,
you know, it it made a huge difference
on how that truck operated. It reflects so
much better work better,
you know, wheel better and
and I was like, man. You know, and
it's just it was just something simple. Yeah.
That he had already went through. You know?
And it's, like, you know, you know, Shannon
ben building rigs, you know, I mean, he
was doing the the old quarter lip stuff,
you know, where you had your these rigs
have cut upside down, on cha and links
and... Yep. And so
You know. So, you know, it's like stuff
like that, you know, and when you can
when you can pick the brains of people
that have been doing it, it helps you
get better and then and then you can,
you know, I don't know, like I said,
I was
people with my... Yet. Sure people my knowledge
with mistakes I've made and then if I
can take something from somebody else, I'm gonna
take that for sure and wrong with it.
Yeah. That's awesome, man.
Sounds like you should have a youtube channel
or something to share all that stuff.
That's cool. So, yeah, speaking of your Youtube
channel. You've been doing it for a while,
it's been going well. You'd have a lot
of really fun content. What has been, like,
just over the years, what has been your
favorite build that you've ever done. Oh, shoot.
So
I have a couple, like...
And the the reason for it is,
I I have a Toyota T, I did
that I wish Had kept. Mh. That just
worked, man. It just worked. And
I beat it up, and it just... It
functioned. I put the... If when super swamp
came out with the I rock sticky,
I put it set on I rock stick
on there, and that truck was just oh,
man. It was so good.
And
and it was all budget. Like, full junkyard
parts
didn't have didn't have enough power to get
out of its own way, but all gears.
And
and
you know, dual cases obviously and and did
a Dana 300 twin stick, and Nice.
And
you know, was just it worked. That's 1
of the rigs I wish I wouldn't got
right. But I a few honestly. I had
a right when Shannon I first got married.
I had a 70 2K5 blazer
And at the time, Pat wasn't popular. Mh.
And
man that truck was rust free and it
had knew everything, like the guy bought it
from it, put a brand new Crate 03:50.
New transmission had off road designs double and
a
dual... You know, it had a 02:03 02:05
from You know, and and then I had
3 quarter ton of axles and 30 35
inch tires on it. That truck, I love
that truck. It drove good at wheel good.
But I was afraid to deny it.
And
and
you know, I I... That... You know, there's
a, like I said, there's a couple
I had a, you know, command she had
built, I wish I wouldn't get rid up.
So I have a couple. I don't know.
I... There's there's a few out there. 1
of them 1 of them was actually 1
of my samurai bug, and I was able
to buy it back. So I was happy
about that. Now it's All Toyota guts for
the most part too. It's
20 2R5
speed dual toy cases and then 16 a
77,
17 gears and stuff like that. So Wow.
Yeah. I'm a I'm I'm a big proponent
of low gears if you got a manual
transmission. More gearing,
you can all the not more options. Yeah.
All the lot more options. Okay. So
That's cool. I was gonna ask if you
were running the samurai 1 tons under there,
but you're running, like, the samurai rock wells
under there. So the 60 to 7.
Yeah. The other The other 1 is sixties
front back. I've put I pulled the 05:13
output 7 seventeen's in it as well, and
then Nice. It's
it's
That's my rear steer 1, and it it
does...
It works good. It but it's got that
1 6, so you gotta give it all
the gears you can get, you know. So...
Yep.
We need to get out here with aye
as an annual Rub trip with all Suzuki.
It's called Z con. And they a bunch
of Suzuki get out here and run the
Rub.
Every every year.
Amber, and I have talked about that. Every
year and every year. I'm like, man.
I need to get out there.
Here here's a great. So here's a here's
a Rub story for you. I've done the
Rub count 1 time.
Okay. And I've wanted to do it. I'd
wanna to do it for forever. And I
saved what I did is I kept all
of my change.
And I have it... You know, so I
kept all my change for, like,
12 or 15 years. And I just throw
it in this 5 gallon water jug. Yep.
And that's how I paid for my rub.
Wow. Now I was in the middle, I
just sold... I had sold my fore runner,
which I shouldn't get rid of. But sold
my fore runner and was building another coma.
And
I used a a company's long arm kit
because I didn't have time to do it.
I'm not gonna name them because Lam kit
literally broke apart on the weld. Oh, no.
They looked pretty and they failed.
And
but
anyway,
and there's a reason why you'll probably never
see me running them again. But the...
But I I put this
jeep together, and I and we had booked
the the Airbnb or Vr or whatever it
was. I'd never even heard of that at
the time, like, what it was, But
because It's been 10:11 years,
maybe even 12 years since I've done the
room calling now
Got the commands together. 39 inch red labels
like it was sick, you know, 1 tons.
I had dual... I had a atlas 4
speed in it, Like, it was a rad
rig, you know, Hey 15 Atlas 4 speed.
And
and
made it a 4 seater. Like, mate... Still
had bedside, but, like, put a bet or
a seat in the back of bench seat
for my kids.
And
we had booked that place a year in
advance to stay at the Rub. So
So it wasn't real it wasn't real pricey,
but it was 1 block from Rub Road
on the top Mat tahoe side size. Yep.
And
I went out there with 1 friend that
I knew, and then a bunch of people
Had never met before.
And get out on the trail
and don't even make it to Cadillac hill
and coming in from the backside, and then
that arm broke. Right? Just
amp right off.
And I'm like, you gotta be kidding me.
And and at the time, it rolled... So
when it broke, It rolled my axle, broke
both my front shocks. Oh my god.
Busted what I didn't notice it broke a
little bit of my drive shaft when it
separated, but I could still sp it back
together. But what I didn't notice is it
broke 1 of the 1 of the little
dot like, tits, the little dog ears that
hold your you join in at the at
the penny yoke. Yep. And
so Ratchet just strapped everything back together, got
back together.
And my friend that was there with me.
They're like, oh, I hadn't really wheeled from
that much before and they're like, yeah. Well,
you know, you you should be able to
get back to camp, and then all the
other people just, like, they every everybody just
left me. So I was just like this
sucks.
Like, I just got left. Yeah. So, you
know, which I was used to wheel a
lot alone because I was pushing the limits
of what my rigs could do, and I
wasn't
you know, I wasn't in the buggy world,
you know, when I was younger. So, like,
I couldn't afford the buggy, so they would,
like, you know, sc at you. You know,
you're you're pretty on greg on leaf Springs,
You know? So so it wasn't a shocker
for me to have to fix stuff on
my own and then get back off the
trail and then I drove around Tahoe and
found 2 dudes like a garage with these
Toyota, like you're saying just raised up Toyota
just smashed to snot.
I was like, hey, man, do you guys
got a welder? Like, can I borrow a
Welder, you know, and, you know, what whatever
you want money or whatever And they're, like,
well, we just want beer?
So that's to my wife. Go get a
beer and and, you know, I used... They
had a little es stop welder, and I
used it and burned everything back together.
Not no. You know, like I said, I
had no shock still.
And so both of them were broke. And
we went back out on the trail.
And I'm trying to figure out Never been
on this. You know, Never even been on
the trail before. Mh. And they're like, hey,
we're gonna be camped at 1 of these
lakes. So
we're driving around and we go up, We're
going up,
big s, I think is what it is
where it was like, you know, just kinda
that long uphill. Mh.
Yeah because we got down in Roof cone
Springs, people like, you need to go this
way and I'm like, okay. You know, Ran
people. This is nighttime, like, dark. And U.
And so I'm driving up big the big
s, and that's when that you joint Cap
let go. Now. So now I'm in just
rear wheel drive.
And I'm hammering on it. Like, full K
style, like, just trying to get up this
hill.
And I had to win a couple spots
you know, fortunately, my wife's said go get
her so she went out, and you know,
pulled cable, and and we're were up and
getting up stuff, and then I finally find
these guys, and I don't know what time
it was.
And,
you know, we set up our camp and
it starts raining as we're setting up our
tent.
And
and we you know, I get my whatever
hour and a half asleep, get up in
the morning. I'm like, okay. I gotta fix
this thing.
Fortunately, I had to know you joint.
And I had some welding rod and jumper
cables. So I borrowed some other guy's jumper
cables,
put the u joint caps on,
and
welded the caps to the to the yoke,
and it helped. Like, we did the entire
risk of the trail,
and it held with
Well.
Yeah. Now you've ever driven a Cherokee Ka
coma with no shocks and coils upfront. It
is a big old s, man. Just.
Wrong. You know, you're bouncing all over the
place.
And
but we did the rest of the trail.
And then
come back
and, you know, now I'm like, okay. I
gotta go into to Reno and get parts.
Like, I gotta get a pin yoke. I'm
a try to find some shocks.
So we head back and
get the... Get fined... You know, there's a
race shop that's next to summit. And I
can't remember the name of it. But that
I went over there. They do like Baja
trucks and stuff. And they had some old
shocks in the back and they sold... They
they had some shocks the right lengths. They
sold me some shocks. They had my pin
yoke,
and it worked out. So I was able
to get all the stuff, put everything back
together.
And then the guys are like, you know,
we're like, hey, I'd really like to go
do 4 dice. And, like, yeah, We'll show
you 4 dice. Well, we come in. When
I come to find out, we didn't even
go in the entrance. We went and like
in the shortcut or whatever where you crossed
the river. Yep. And
we crossed the river, and I'm doing some,
like, wicked bonus line stuff in there and
do it did Toyota rock and all that.
Like, and and right after Toyota rock like,
that obstacle, whichever Windshield that is. I don't
know which 1 that is.
They're they're like, our wives wanna go shopping,
and then they're like, we gotta go back.
And so they, like, literally,
turn around right there. I never even got
to do all of Ford. So I've never
been able to do all of the Rub
con. I've never been able to do all
the ford ice, and that was my Rub
con experience. So, like, I I have a
Vendetta
Right now I... I'm now... I think 12
years in on this change collection that I
have all this change. I have a bucket
a 5 gallon bucket. Full of change. If
I'm gallon them, like water jug. Mh. Full,
you know, Yeah. Pennies, porter dimes whatever and
and it's like, okay. It's about time to
go back and do the rub con, and
then I'd like to do 4 dice at
the same time.
Let us know what you did do that
trip. I mean, we're up on the Rub,
this year's is a little different, but in
normal years we're up there,
12 to 15 weekends, a year, on the
rub coin, and Ford dice were usually up
there at least 2 to 3 weekends a
year. So,
their birth trails. Jimmy an hour and a
half from each trail head. And I got
2 hours, So it's a... It's... We're we're
up there a lot. It's a really beautiful
area. They're really fun trails
And if you have a vendetta on them
that we'd love
to get you out there.
Just to go. I mean, just even driving
around in the daytime that next day, you
know, because we... I... Wherever whatever lake we
stayed at, they didn't wanna go to the
insurance. I wanted to drive to the insurance.
Mh on the room come, but they're like,
we did that yesterday when you were broke
down. And I'm like, okay.
Like, you guys all live here. That'd be
cool for you, But I'm, like, you know,
I haven't... You know, I've never been here,
and it's a long, you know, long drive
for me to get out here. So I
was really really disappointed.
And but anyway, You'd you'd get a kick
out of it, especially since you've been there.
I mean, the trail has... It's changed
a little bit. They try and preserve that
trails as much as possible, but, it definitely
has changed, and there's a old new section,
which takes a solid afternoon to do,
with the the new Rub Trail Foundation, the
loop that they opened up.
Yeah. And it is some amazing,
awesome, just granite, ledge and big
articulation. So...
Nice. You you would get a kick out
of there. And you kinda just gotta add
another day to your trip if you wanna
do it all and see everything out there.
So...
I'd like to do that. What 1 of
the things that I was nerd out on
was just all the mountain like, just hiking.
I wanna get out there and, like, hike,
Just... I'm... So
here's 1 thing
like, my parents had me and my brother
a lot later in life, like in their
forties. And
I don't know if they just didn't care
or what, But when I was a kid,
my dad would just let me... Like, I
I had a a huge hiking backpack.
Mh. That weighed about 70 pounds of his
old hiking backpack.
And he would drop me off in the
woods in Pike National forest, and I would
go out and go camping,
by, you know by myself. You have a
whole new respect for the woods when you
can't buy yourself. You run across, bears, mountain
lions, everything else. And
And and I had a machete. So... Yeah.
It's, like, expected could fight off anything with
a Machete. Right? Yeah. And
and
you'd go camping and then I would just
keep hiking, and you always come onto to
a road. Like, I don't know how anybody
can get lost,
like legitimately
lost unless you just gave up.
You always come to our own because I
would just hike in the woods, and then
come out and I'd end up on a
road, and then I'd fall the road till
I found a house and then I'd knock
on houses, you know, and and then somebody
the door, and then I'd you know, this
is before cell phones and then call
call my parents, you know, and say, hey,
you know, I'm over here, I guess, and
then they would come and get me. Holy
crap. And... Yeah. Like, no parents let their
kids do that. Now. Like, I wouldn't even
let my kids do that. I'm like, no
way. Yeah. You're like You're like the original
bear g a survivor. Dude you but.
Well, I was... I I can tell you
right now. I I had a lighter. I
was no good at make it... That get
a dude think fire. I can't make fire
like that. I always had a lighter.
But
but you know, go camp like that. And
so I've always just loved being outside. Like,
that's probably my favorite thing ever. We just
recently, you know, this like last year move
to New Mexico to Farming and... Oh, man.
Like,
I just love being outside. I love exploring
stuff and how you can... Like, I I
love 4 wheel. Last But I love it
just as much if I was on A22
wheels or or on my feet, You know?
Like, I just love being outside. So if
I can go explore stuff and find stuff
that maybe other people haven't seen,
Like, that's what I really like. And I'm
like, man, this hike took me, you know,
2 or 3 days. I guarantee nobody else
been out here. That... That's always... I I
love that kind of stuff. Dude. There's... I
mean, the the Hi sierra is, there's there's
a lot of really
sweet
things to see.
Yeah. I man, hiking around the high sierra.
There is a ton
of really cool stuff to see. There's a
couple a couple. There's a few.
345
airplane crashes
that are really rad hikes to get out
to some bitumen and waterfall areas, cascade to
get out and check out,
tons of gold mining history. Tons of gold
mining history. It's... There's some nice. There's some
pretty awesome. If you like just being out
in nature in
you know, 6 7000 foot elevation areas.
I don't think you can really beat in
my opinion of the high series here in
Nor. So, you Nice.
Yeah.
Well, we're coming we're coming to the end
here. I think you know, we've stolen enough
of your precious. Little time? Or you probably
need to get back and start wrench or
cutting some more firewall or something in 1
of those 2. Why don't you give us
some shout outs of
like, possibly,
your... Everything you've got going on tell us
how people can get a hold of you
or any sponsors that you wanna talk about
Yeah. For sure. You know, 1 of the
things that
always makes this possible is just the people
that are following along man.
I love that people are willing to, you
know, take a chance on me and listen
and see what I can build and what
I can do. And you know, you can
get on... Obviously, I do have the Youtube
channel c builds it, but I also have
Facebook,
Instagram.
Patreon
and even a website where any of the
companies that I work with. I always try
to get a discount code so that they
can have a discount if they're build some
too. So they can get on the website.
Go to discount, you know, member discounts, and
then they have tons of discount codes on
there for them as well, kinda you know,
when people buy merch, you know, I love
seeing people wear wear my shirts. I love
when people come up and talk to me
too. A lot of people It's funny. There's
2 kinds of people when you do Youtube,
There's people that'll come see you, and there's
people that just stare at you awkward accurately.
Yeah. And
And I always try to tell people like,
man, feel free. If if I'm not in
the middle, like, film or something or, like,
trying to do something, you know, halfway important
to pays my bills.
Feel free to come up and, you know,
talk. I love I love not going on
in life. And Mh. And I you know,
I just think that's it's cool, man. I
love I love being part of this community.
And,
you know, I'm looking forward to going forward,
building this pace, you know, hopefully, it'll do
well. And in the competition, you know, my
ultimate goal is to be a fast overland,
You know?
Because they said it maybe, you know, they're
looking for some overland stuff, but, you know,
realistically before the Toyota Tacoma, people slept tents.
So I'll be okay in a tent. Yeah.
And you could put a request bars as
the
Yep. And then as far as the,
you know,
I'm actually gonna go back to competitive rock
crawling. Like I'm gonna try my hand and
at We rock up in walk Golden dale,
Washington.
Sweet...
And at the end of July. So,
yeah. Pretty excited about that too. That'd be
really cool, man. Are you taking the 1
of the bug ease for that? Or are
you gonna try and do the pace?
No. Yeah. The days
space already.
But no. I'm gonna take I'm gonna take
1 of the same for sure Yeah I
got my drag axe. Samurai gonna do that,
and then maybe hit some trails in oregon
after that. That'll be Cool man. So, yeah,
You've got a lot of where people get
a hold of you if they see in
public? You you love checking out and shaking
people's hands, say, hi to him. Anything else?
What are what are some of the places
the the brands and companies that have really
stood behind you. I know that you said
when you
transitioned into your own channel, a big part
of what was able to make that happen
was
the brands that stood behind you and that
were, like, yeah. Dude. Let's do it. Who
were does it helped make that happen. Yeah.
Well, 100 percent was Onyx.
100 percent was On Off road, man. They
said, they literally
signed a contract with me,
before I even had a video out.
So they had full...
You know, they they knew what I know,
what I was capable of and what I
did, and I was like man, I I
really appreciate that. So That I was really
really cool them to be to back me
on that, you you know, Barnes 4 drive
has been a really good sponsor for a
long time, Adams Drive shaft,
you know, power tank,
you know, Sky,
as another 1. Sky has been, real keen
on a lot of stuff with me and
and,
Yeah. It's just been...
It's been really cool. Yank income ropes reached
out, you know, re... And they wanted to
work together, So I was really happy to
to work with the Yank income Rope you
know, having
anytime there's companies that are in the Usa
that try to keep their products in in
America. Mh. You know, that's...
I'm all about You know, I'm all about
affordability. We know, like, like, case in point,
like t shirts, t shirts don't get made
in the Usa. You can say all you.
Like, they might get printed. You might get
a printing in Usa. You're not gonna get
a t shirt made in the Usa
anymore It's just, yeah, almost, you know, almost
on for that. So
the
printing you know, the...
But well, even... How don't no. I can't
say all that too. Because, like, even harbor
freight, harbor freight is, like, we'll wait we
wanna stay with you, you know, harbor freight
I worked with him, Elm bleep and Jeep
and they're like, yeah. And we... We love
what you're doing and we wanna continue, you
know, working with you. So those...
Super cool too because, you know, they they
they've really stepped up their game on a
lot of stuff with the, you know, different
levels. I think that's probably the best thing
is we've all had to be on a
budget sometime in our life, and buy super
cheap stuff, and they have the different levels
of of affordability now, you know, where you
have 3 different tiers of tooling that you
can buy sometime. If you can only afford,
you know, Try wanna stand tools, then they
have them, You know, And... But if you
wanna get a better brand, you know, they
have those too. So... Yeah.
Well, Cool man, that's some good stuff. I
hope I've everybody out there goes and checks
out C here. Go look at his Instagram.
There's some really fun content there. The Youtube,
of course.
And keep an eye on the pace and
see how the pace turns out and how
the On x off road challenge ends up.
Is there... Are they in the the spot
for ultimate adventure again or was ultimate adventure
kinda def tanked. Right?
Ultimate adventure is no longer. So...
It was nice to be able to bring...
I've been running mile star tires for forever.
It's nice to be able to bring those
out east and show that they work because
they still work you know, people, they they
got a bad rap with the Mt o
1, the Mt o two's is a totally
different tire. Yeah. But I was talking to
trent Christian
they have create... They are working on creating
the unreal adventures. So that is what they're
working towards. Yep. And
I think that that's an opportunity,
you know, that's a cool opportunity to still
do. I think if anybody,
Trent Mcgee
has a gift when it comes to making
an adventure.
And,
like, legitimately. Like, your day blend together out
there. And
And if you don't keep track of it,
you're gonna make man that I missed, you,
like, I did so much cool stuff in
such a short amount of time. So
You know, I think that's really cool that
they're gonna try to push forward, you know,
unfortunately, motor trend just wanted to kill it
and and
you know, big corporations that just happens. But
Yeah. You know, they they... They're looking at
the bottom dollar what what they can make
and it's not such much
not as much of a love affair. Mh.
And Mh. So I'm I'm excited to see
what they can do if they make it
happen, You know, it'd be cool.
I if I... I really wanna do it.
At the same time I'm like, man, I
got a car that I gotta get done,
and I don't even have a shop to
build it in yet. So... Yeah. I'm You
know, I'm on I'm on the fence there.
But but
yeah. It's... I I think it'll be cool.
Yeah. This year at this year is just
a trophy
I think originally, they were talking about, like,
a 10000 dollar prize pot.
Which would be cool. I think any 1
of us could obviously use that. Anybody can
use that. Mh.
I could definitely use that because,
you know, this car is costing me money.
Yeah.
Yeah. People people always think that everything just
gets, you know, oh, you do Youtube. People
just send you stuff for free. Like, know.
That's not really how that works.
Know.
Yeah. Well, call me in. Thank you so
much for taking the time. It's been a
lot of fun chatting with you. I think
I'd like to have you back on the
podcast here in the future to talk about
trail stuff, so more of the trail have
advocates ad vacation side of things, like, opening
up trails, trail maintenance, because I know you
are pretty heavily involved with that. So
I think it'd be fun to talk a
little bit about that and tell people about
how teach people about clubs and trail maintenance
stuff. So
for sure. We'll get you back on for
sure. In the meantime, Everybody to go check
out, Cole. Everything that you're doing is some
pretty rad stuff. You got... I love the
way your brain works and just you're, like,
yeah. We can kinda come up with this
funky thing and put this thing together and
put this thing here in this thing here.
It's a it's fun to to listen and
fun to look at. So... Yeah I guess
Has questions, reach out to Cole, and, yeah.
Man. Any
final words
to kinda close this out and
leave everybody here with today thinking. Just thank
you guys for having me on for being
the first podcast out of all the podcast
that keep messaging me to be on there.
To say, you know, when I say, hey,
give me a date. You guys are like,
yeah. Okay. Here's a date.
Yeah.
So so, yeah, I really appreciate that because
I am say I I... I'm a fly
by the seat of my pants kinda guy.
I've make about as many... You know, I'll
try to make
organization and then every time I set something
up, I'm usually stressing over meeting that time
frame. So I rather just just go with
it and let it roll. Yeah. I need.
But
Yeah. Thank you guys for having me on,
and thanks everybody for listening and, yeah, anybody
that, falls along in my ventures. I definitely
appreciate it for sure. Sweet. Jimmy, any final
words for everybody out there? What are my
big takeaways from this and listening to Cole
is really just
start. It's... You know, it sounds like, I,
got what I learned a lot about cole
is that he just sort of started doing
things and I always started rolling with it.
And started understanding and, like, I... I'm 1
the same in a way where it's, like,
I didn't know how to do any of
this. I just took it apart, and I
learned it. And then from taking it apart,
I learned how to put it back together.
Yeah. So really get your... Use your hands,
start, you know, playing and, you know, get
some grease under your nails. You know, have
some fun with it. Yep. I like it
I like it a lot. And with that
my friends,
Keep crawling.
I got 1 for you. Ready, man. What
musical
instrument is found in the bathroom?
This is right up your alley. It's a
it's a dirty joke. Of the t bone.
Would be a good 1. Yeah.
The
Oh, I just had it. And I I
cut... Oh, what what what fuck. I don't
know what is it? It's a tub
toothpaste. Oh,
It's not a dirty joke.
Well, it's a bathroom joke It's a bathroom
joke I guess. I was gonna say tub
bob, but I was trying to reference it
to be a dirty. Tub. Dirty tube. Dirty
tube, something. So anyways, it's a dirty tube
toothpaste. Yeah.