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If you wanna leave some feedback about Toyota's,

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and we'll get to it on the podcast.

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What's up everybody. Welcome to snail mail.

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Did I have you on the seat your...

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The edge of your seat? The seat of

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your edge? The seat of my your pants?

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Pants seat edge of your chance seats? I

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was standing on the ledge, but I step

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backwards. That's good. I'm glad. Yep. Thanks. Yeah,

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Man. We are here today to go over

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some voice mails with everybody. Nice.

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Yeah. How many do we have this week?

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14, 14.

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So what did we got, like, 4 or

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5 done last week and got 6 Got

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6 this week. Like At 13 last week.

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So yeah. That sounds about right? Yeah, Man.

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Well, that's good. You know what that means

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Donnie called in 6 times.

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He actually did 5 and a half. Perfect.

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Man. We got some, yeah. We got some

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fun voice mails here. It doesn't look like

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there's any that are super or long. Nobody

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got cut off. Okay? So maybe we can

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get through a bunch of them and maybe

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get caught up within a week here. Whoa

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voice mail. That would be crazy. Oh, I

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don't think it's gonna happen. That would be

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fun though. I know. 1 day, 1 day

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we'll get there. There may be. So if

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you guys keep calling in, it'll never happen.

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Nope. So stop calling in. Just kidding. Don't

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do that though. Enjoy this segment we We

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do. It's

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it's kind of a where

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we get to relax a little bit and

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show, and we can just kinda goof off

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it get to chat with you guys. So

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more or less. Yeah. This... It's pretty cool.

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Yeah. If you enjoy these episodes or any

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Excuse me. I apologize. Oh. Yeah.

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it is? Twice a year. Mh. Is it

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bi bi? Bi annual? Yeah. Lee, we send

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gift boxes to

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gift box tier members? Yeah. What do we

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have, like, 60 something of them telling that.

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twice a year and we send out boxes

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twice here, so that one's a lot of

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fun. Yeah. So if you're looking at ways

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to help support the snail trail 4 by

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4. Look at those. Sounds good. Alright. Or

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just keep calling in. No I love it.

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I don't see a name.

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Oh, man. I need to make that audio

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Jimmy. Ezekiel.

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let's see what mister No name Where missing

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no name has to say? Alright. Frank Rob

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Highlands.

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bam, and I was wondering and have you

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selling like a green tint india for your

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coat. I know it can be done,

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and then you'd have that little bit of

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color that you want, but still have that

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make everything all fancy and city.

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I find the funny that you'll be blue

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when you just gonna go out and beat

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the hell out of them.

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Anyway, we probably guys. We try throw the

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Ricky Rob Ricky rob. Thanks for calling in.

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Yeah, man. I had never heard of throwing

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a tent into a clear coat. I mean,

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I I know that there are clear coding

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tinted tinted versions, but, yeah, I didn't I

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didn't think about that. Yeah. I think that

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that'd be all. It would be. I don't

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know if that solves the... I mean, I

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coat is removed. Yeah. It wouldn't be tinted

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green anymore. Yeah.

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I'll think about it. I think I really...

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making the axles all black

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like a flat black and then doing a

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couple of things in some high

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extension Neon extension. Some highlight, neon green,

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contrast. Sense. Accents. Thank you. That's what I

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looking for. And so, like, I wanna do

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the M f logo on the the diamond

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pumpkins and remove the diamond logo. Yep. The

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knuckles. The knuckles I would love to do

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a neon on green, but then it'll look

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like crane axle knuckles, and their reed, knuckles,

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it. So I don't know if I can...

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way that I can remove

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the 4 wheel underground logo wing off of,

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the bump stops. Yeah. The bump stop brackets,

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paint them neon green and then reapply them

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on they cut out. I'm pretty sure they're

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cut out Cut out, and I think they're

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steel that's been cut and then molded

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to the bracket and then welded tack welded

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to it. I'm not sure exactly how it

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negative space holes. I know that's done some

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it. But I know he has, like, a,

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a plate cutout and then welded to the

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surface. Kinda like the diamond is. Sure. My

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bet is if you talked to Brian, he...

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whatever he would have some cut out for

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you that you could cut Probably green. Yeah.

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and men apply his green ones to. Yeah.

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So... True. I bet you he would go

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for it. Okay. Talk with them. Once I

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get around to the the accent part of

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it. I think I'm still... I like the

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idea of just painting the stuff that down

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low and leaving the frame stuff clear coded.

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where the brackets are on the frame and

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everything. Oh,

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no scratches. Yeah. Dirt and mud and water

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and stuff will get up there. Exactly Since

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the point of the clear code. Yeah. But,

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yeah, It's well... So I think that's the

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plan moving forward

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with coloring the axles,

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I'll do a a grand review. I don't

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know if I'll do a grand reveal wait

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to show the wrap

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until I get the all painted into.

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We'll see. Okay.

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I don't think I'll be able to hold

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I'm so excited for this rep. It looks

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Alright. So, yeah. Wreck it Ralph. Rob. Rob.

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Rick Ralph That's a movie. Yeah. Rick Rob.

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Rick Rob Thanks for calling Anybody. Who's A73

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guy. So I've been talking to him about

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Clifford.

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I did. We... I was having a fun

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discussion about seeing if there's a way I

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can put A67

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high output.

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Into the fore runner.

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The answer is yes. I mean, in theory,

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yeah. All you gotta do is make sure

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the body panels can still sit on and

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line up. And that's if you need to

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make custom mounting options for that, then that's

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fine. I'll do Baja cars don't do it

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for you. Yeah. Yeah.

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Anybody have a spare 6 7 alpha motor

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sitting around? If you do. I want it

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to put him to Clifford.

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No. What? You're gonna put in the 4

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runner? Well, that too. Okay. That works. So

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we need 2. 2 of those 2 of

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them please. Yeah.

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Next voice is from Beer Craig. Dear Craig.

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What up? Yeah, let's not mead Craig. Can

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I know? Man. Let's see what he's gets.

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Not too long. See what he's gonna say.

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Hey. This is Peter Craig.

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Having this 1 quick for the first time.

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2 things.

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I'm also part of the

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snail trail,

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trucker mafia out here. And you saw you

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know passing

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ham radio.

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Test that sounds exactly like passing.

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The

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definitely a Cdl permit, but Cdl

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license here of,

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I did wash parts per a day, and

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I passed on my permit,

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and then

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for your Cdl,

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you just kind of, like, vaguely point. Do

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you say the right word

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for your pre?

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And he pass that.

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kinda like get your ham. It's just the

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Tv is getting your Cdl

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Oklahoma on.

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Second thing because I was inspired

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by your 2 review.

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And something me you said on the most

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preset, 05:15

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9. I don't know. I

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nope. Doesn't matter. 5 sixteenth,

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you were talking about in

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High sierra Right. So here's my true review

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of

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Northeast Oklahoma.

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And Northwest Arkansas,

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during gift stripes.

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You're anybody.

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Thanks for coming. So Oklahoma oklahoma.

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Thanks guys.

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Appreciate everything.

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Have a good day. Bye.

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Nice. Oklahoma pins stripes. Yep. Yep. That's what

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you're gonna get. Yep. Too bad that vehicle

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drove by ride at the, like, second the

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last thing he said. I didn't catch what

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it was. I didn't catch it either. Yeah.

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But what was he said was this part

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of the snail trail 4 by 4 truck

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mafia?

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It's snail trail truckers, Mafia. Truckers, Mafia. Yeah.

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I don't know what That is. Neither do

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I. You need to have a cease and

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desist with my name. I know. Right? They

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probably were around before me. But

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Yeah. It's fun. Definitely getting your ham radio

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license, the technician license at least, the entry

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level 1. Yeah. Is very much like getting

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your Oklahoma City apparently.

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And,

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another fun fact is as you're diagnosing

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trail repair stuff.

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That's also kinda like your pre trip

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your, pre chip test for your Cdl as

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well. Got it. You just kind of

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vaguely point in the direction and say the

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semi rights sounding word and

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that's your diagnostic. And all those bolts are

294
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tight. Yep. Yeah.

295
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Exactly.

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Man, speaking, of trail diagnostics. I wanted to

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get to this in Thursday's episode I totally

298
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forgot to just my okay? I have to

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give another

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shout out slash claim disclaimer to people,

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never

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ever win to an axle.

303
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Okay. Are we gonna talk about Sean? Yeah.

304
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Okay. Let's do it.

305
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And I... It it sucks because the person

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that ultimately made the decision to win to

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the axle listens to the podcast. I know

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he's heard us talk about never went to

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an axle before. But technically, he was trying

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to win to it as a suck down

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win.

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So,

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except he wasn't trying to suck down the

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body to the axle. He was trying to

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suck the axle up to the frame,

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and I'm like, gravity doesn't work that way.

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If you're down... If you're in a hole,

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And you just... You're kinda undercut. You're not

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to be able to lift a tire up

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with your win. No. It's gonna pull the

321
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whole body down to your tire. Correct. And

322
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he was thinking he'd be able to lift

323
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the tire up so I could put rocks

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under the tire.

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Rather than jacking up the tire with a

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high lift and putting rocks under it. No.

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And so by doing that, a,

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that win is not set up as a

329
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suck down win where the the line can

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come out the bottom of the win.

331
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It's set up as a win to come

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out forward. So they... The angle of pulling

333
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was way more extreme forward than it was

334
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upwards.

335
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And because of that, they turned a leaf

336
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spring into an l, Yeah.

337
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So so while looking.

338
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Oh my god. I've never seen anyone like

339
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that. I've never seen a least spring do

340
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that before. And I I was looking at

341
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that. I was like

342
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that has to be a fucked up like

343
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metal. Like, It has to be a fucked

344
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up metal production or something in the leaf

345
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spring. I was like, you... I don't I

346
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don't know how you do that. Off road,

347
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a rock crawling. There's no way. Like... And

348
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then I started thinking about it I was,

349
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if they had win to an axle,

350
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and pulled it and, like, really got something

351
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jammed up, like, maybe.

352
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But I was even still that so much

353
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force. Yeah.

354
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I was like, how are they pulling them

355
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backwards

356
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enough to shove the axle forward to bend

357
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a lee Spring that way? Permanently bend least

358
00:12:52,524 --> 00:12:53,722
ring there. It's all like the loose spring

359
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bent, like, it's normal arch. No. It's it

360
00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:57,718
it's a l. It's an L bracket now.

361
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Here's is what it is. It's a shack.

362
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Front

363
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Sorry to shack. Yeah.

364
00:13:03,486 --> 00:13:05,323
Man. It's a it's a 3 inch lift.

365
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It's a 4 inch lift springs. The trail

366
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gear 4 inch lift Springs are now turned

367
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into a 7 to 8 inch lift. Yeah.

368
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Springs on that side. And the axle on

369
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the driver's side is moved forward 6 inches,

370
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apparently. Yeah. And that

371
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ended up destroying a bunch of other stuff

372
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too. So

373
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I feel I feel very bad for Sean,

374
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and

375
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another Psa if everybody

376
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just don't win to axles. It's almost never

377
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a good idea unless you know exactly what

378
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you're doing and your rig is set up

379
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to do that. Right. Unless you have a

380
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dedicated suck down win with a set... Like,

381
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the line going in the correct direction and

382
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the proper,

383
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hook ups. Yeah. Then,

384
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you know, yeah. You can do a sec

385
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down win. Yep. But don't... You can't really

386
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turn, especially if the win lines coming out

387
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of the front

388
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of your win. You can't turn that into

389
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a suck down win. No. It does not

390
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work. Physics does not work that way. No.

391
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So

392
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just wanted the axle in the wrong direction.

393
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Wanted to give that Psa. As or just

394
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a reminder, we've done a lot of recovery

395
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episodes. Now we've talked a lot of really

396
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great recovery people on the episode.

397
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On this podcast, and it's always comes down

398
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to

399
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educate yourself on the physics at play and

400
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work with the physics. Never try and out

401
00:14:17,154 --> 00:14:18,904
do physics. It will never work in your

402
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favor.

403
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So just another the Psa?

404
00:14:21,927 --> 00:14:25,070
Yes. Pay attention when you're doing recoveries and

405
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understand fifth physics. If you don't understand physics,

406
00:14:27,358 --> 00:14:28,314
don't do the recovery.

407
00:14:29,030 --> 00:14:30,624
Yeah. It's just way more likely you're gonna

408
00:14:30,624 --> 00:14:32,548
do way more damage then recover the vehicle

409
00:14:32,548 --> 00:14:33,501
by it's possible. Yep.

410
00:14:34,931 --> 00:14:36,044
Okay. Rant over. Okay.

411
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Good. Thanks for calling Bear Craig.

412
00:14:42,583 --> 00:14:42,902
Next,

413
00:14:43,540 --> 00:14:45,055
you know what? I like... I like how

414
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people give themself an

415
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identifier that separates their normal name from everybody

416
00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,412
else. Yeah. Like, we have Wreck Rob. Mh.

417
00:14:52,572 --> 00:14:54,490
We have, you know, a Rover don. Yep.

418
00:14:54,730 --> 00:14:57,227
We got, you know, Lee, cruiser,

419
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Air craig. We got

420
00:15:00,099 --> 00:15:02,176
Yeah. Exactly. Lance not the company. Lance not

421
00:15:02,176 --> 00:15:03,934
the company. We got all these guys. Yeah.

422
00:15:04,254 --> 00:15:06,332
You know, that... I mean, most of them

423
00:15:06,332 --> 00:15:08,465
don't have a common name anyway. U. But

424
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Yeah. If you do call in it's kinda

425
00:15:10,334 --> 00:15:12,084
funny to see what how you identify yourself.

426
00:15:12,322 --> 00:15:13,834
Yeah. We have... What was the guy Desert,

427
00:15:14,072 --> 00:15:16,947
Joe, Desert Jason, Jays Las Vegas. Yeah. Yeah.

428
00:15:17,185 --> 00:15:19,009
Desert or something. Yeah. So that was kinda

429
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fun. I like this. I I did. I

430
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agree.

431
00:15:22,341 --> 00:15:25,370
Speaking of. Okay? We a call from?

432
00:15:26,242 --> 00:15:27,274
Drum roll, please.

433
00:15:29,812 --> 00:15:31,240
You're craig. You're craig.

434
00:15:32,129 --> 00:15:35,161
Again, again, here we go. Okay. Hey. Try

435
00:15:35,161 --> 00:15:35,959
again. Sorry.

436
00:15:37,076 --> 00:15:39,310
I wanted to add... Because Not a bit.

437
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As I was just walking through versus directly

438
00:15:41,872 --> 00:15:42,509
my first message.

439
00:15:43,623 --> 00:15:45,930
Same about, you said back Oklahoma,

440
00:15:47,044 --> 00:15:48,556
sounds like it's kinda very interesting.

441
00:15:49,208 --> 00:15:49,708
Why

442
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you have to in these spy oversight,

443
00:15:53,996 --> 00:15:54,496
because

444
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that's all you have.

445
00:15:56,564 --> 00:15:57,941
You just have to

446
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learn about a lot of things

447
00:16:00,870 --> 00:16:03,363
and make this weird

448
00:16:03,900 --> 00:16:05,549
life for yourself because

449
00:16:06,065 --> 00:16:06,859
nothing out here.

450
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So

451
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thanks, guys. Have a good day. Bye.

452
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Dang. Yeah. Did not sound happy about that.

453
00:16:16,567 --> 00:16:17,920
I'm sorry. Sorry.

454
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Sorry offend anybody with that. It's a it's

455
00:16:21,198 --> 00:16:22,863
No. I'd I I always find it fascinating,

456
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though. The the lives that people lead and

457
00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,303
how they got to where they are and

458
00:16:27,303 --> 00:16:28,675
their stories of

459
00:16:29,143 --> 00:16:30,655
where they are in life. Right? I always

460
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find it fascinating. Mh. And so, yeah. I

461
00:16:34,237 --> 00:16:37,182
I know, you know, the the quote fly

462
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overstate as he split it. There's not a

463
00:16:39,186 --> 00:16:41,652
lot going on. I had... I had some

464
00:16:41,652 --> 00:16:43,902
good good friends in rafting world

465
00:16:44,277 --> 00:16:46,982
that were from Midwest states, and they're just

466
00:16:46,982 --> 00:16:50,018
like, Yeah. All, there's... There's they'll there's nothing

467
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to really entertain yourself, so you have to

468
00:16:51,767 --> 00:16:52,982
find stuff actively

469
00:16:53,754 --> 00:16:55,835
to go and entertain yourself, and that's tell

470
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mud bug competition start now with all the

471
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stuff. So... Like, yeah. Okay. That makes sense.

472
00:17:00,116 --> 00:17:02,019
Fully understand it. You know, I came from

473
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a small town. Like, there's nothing to do

474
00:17:04,260 --> 00:17:05,695
out there. You know? So what do you

475
00:17:05,695 --> 00:17:07,847
do? You know, you party, You drink. You

476
00:17:07,847 --> 00:17:09,920
get yourself into trouble. You drive cars too

477
00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,885
fast, You know? It's not the responsible things

478
00:17:12,885 --> 00:17:15,039
to do. You go around... You go around

479
00:17:15,039 --> 00:17:17,453
town looking for the escape pig. Yeah. And,

480
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you know, Ut people's houses, Big people or

481
00:17:20,382 --> 00:17:22,791
whatever. You know, you've Yep. The Bowling alley

482
00:17:22,791 --> 00:17:24,627
is giving away bowling pins and so you

483
00:17:24,627 --> 00:17:26,224
get a bunch and you start driving around

484
00:17:26,224 --> 00:17:27,741
town throwing them at science. You know, that's

485
00:17:27,741 --> 00:17:29,657
that's just what you do. Like,

486
00:17:31,108 --> 00:17:33,099
I don't know that story Nope. That one's

487
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afraid to get.

488
00:17:34,294 --> 00:17:35,489
1 of them bounce back and hit the

489
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car.

490
00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:37,958
Nice. Yeah.

491
00:17:40,043 --> 00:17:40,758
Don't tell my mom.

492
00:17:43,460 --> 00:17:44,811
She thought I hit something in the road.

493
00:17:45,844 --> 00:17:46,877
Yeah A holy

494
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But, yeah. I mean, I fully fully understand

495
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that, you know, you you have to to

496
00:17:55,558 --> 00:17:56,910
some extent, and this is what I tell

497
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my daughter, you have to create funds. Sometimes.

498
00:17:59,549 --> 00:18:01,959
Yep. And you don't always have somebody around

499
00:18:02,016 --> 00:18:04,960
to make something happen Sometimes you have to

500
00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,121
do it yourself. Yep. So, yeah. I know

501
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that, you know, I definitely understand the side

502
00:18:09,106 --> 00:18:10,615
of you had to be creative and you

503
00:18:10,615 --> 00:18:12,996
had to figure out things to make life

504
00:18:12,996 --> 00:18:14,822
enjoyable. Yeah. For sure. Yeah.

505
00:18:15,553 --> 00:18:16,986
It's just whatever you... What do you wanna

506
00:18:16,986 --> 00:18:17,622
do? Mh.

507
00:18:18,339 --> 00:18:20,488
You call back? No. We have another 1.

508
00:18:20,727 --> 00:18:22,717
I'm debating... We're gonna play it. Yeah.

509
00:18:23,766 --> 00:18:25,039
I'm... I don't know if we're going to

510
00:18:25,198 --> 00:18:25,437
Eric.

511
00:18:26,630 --> 00:18:29,414
Okay. It's Tom Rosa. Oh,

512
00:18:30,384 --> 00:18:32,138
But he jet hates half jeep isn't he?

513
00:18:32,856 --> 00:18:34,929
Yeah. But he's not calling for us.

514
00:18:37,241 --> 00:18:38,756
Alright. Are we a complaint line right now?

515
00:18:38,995 --> 00:18:40,446
I think So... Oh, this is gonna great.

516
00:18:40,845 --> 00:18:41,961
I don't know. I haven't read the whole

517
00:18:41,961 --> 00:18:43,158
thing. I just read the first sentence and

518
00:18:43,317 --> 00:18:43,477
I'm like,

519
00:18:44,274 --> 00:18:45,311
I don't know if I wonder if you

520
00:18:45,311 --> 00:18:47,225
listened to this 1. Hey, Wheel white and

521
00:18:47,225 --> 00:18:48,980
whiskey. Yeah. Hey, Jesus Chris.

522
00:18:49,632 --> 00:18:51,143
That is great. Oh, okay. Let's do it.

523
00:18:51,302 --> 00:18:52,018
Here we go, Tom.

524
00:18:52,814 --> 00:18:55,280
Hey Jason and Chris. Bro. How are you

525
00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:55,916
guys doing?

526
00:18:56,409 --> 00:18:58,809
Hey. I wanna tell you guys great episode.

527
00:18:59,049 --> 00:18:59,849
I just heard

528
00:19:00,569 --> 00:19:03,210
D fab, that guy makes a great chassis.

529
00:19:03,784 --> 00:19:06,105
My by my buddy Tailgate out of Son

530
00:19:06,105 --> 00:19:08,204
nora just built a 4 steer

531
00:19:08,664 --> 00:19:10,664
out of 1 of those chassis. And it's

532
00:19:10,664 --> 00:19:13,876
a machine. Works really good. Anyway, But Drop

533
00:19:13,876 --> 00:19:16,099
you line. Sorry. I missed you guys at

534
00:19:16,179 --> 00:19:17,075
Prairie City

535
00:19:17,528 --> 00:19:19,752
would have loved to tip back some cups.

536
00:19:20,149 --> 00:19:20,943
But unfortunately,

537
00:19:21,594 --> 00:19:24,220
the Cj needed a little love with that

538
00:19:24,220 --> 00:19:24,720
a

539
00:19:25,096 --> 00:19:26,768
transfer case that decided to,

540
00:19:27,882 --> 00:19:29,337
have AAA divorce

541
00:19:29,648 --> 00:19:31,477
come a divorce transfer case. Anyway,

542
00:19:32,352 --> 00:19:34,659
happy trails in Toyota to suck? Do you

543
00:19:34,659 --> 00:19:36,012
think he meant to call us?

544
00:19:36,585 --> 00:19:38,744
I don't... I have he has to our

545
00:19:38,744 --> 00:19:41,484
voice mail message. Yeah. That's true. Is

546
00:19:41,945 --> 00:19:43,945
very different from Jason and Chris's voice mail

547
00:19:43,945 --> 00:19:46,583
message. Yeah. That is funny. Yeah. Good job,

548
00:19:46,821 --> 00:19:48,569
Tom. Yep. Nice. We'll

549
00:19:49,442 --> 00:19:51,508
maybe we'll say if you guys wanna hear

550
00:19:51,508 --> 00:19:54,105
this episode or this message. Go, we'll just

551
00:19:54,224 --> 00:19:55,661
forwarded it on to Jason and Chris. There

552
00:19:55,661 --> 00:19:57,258
we go or something. Well, Don't know. We'll

553
00:19:57,258 --> 00:19:59,733
probably erin. We'll see. Hold Yeah. I'll forward

554
00:19:59,733 --> 00:20:01,649
the I don't this to be the first

555
00:20:01,649 --> 00:20:03,405
voice mail that we don't play.

556
00:20:04,138 --> 00:20:06,372
Yeah. I guess. Oh, he did call back.

557
00:20:06,611 --> 00:20:07,089
Oh, okay.

558
00:20:08,206 --> 00:20:08,706
In

559
00:20:09,323 --> 00:20:10,120
a week later.

560
00:20:10,679 --> 00:20:13,071
Okay. So, let's get to Zach Oklahoma first.

561
00:20:13,883 --> 00:20:16,109
Get to hear from Zach. Maybe he finally

562
00:20:16,109 --> 00:20:18,438
realized said he'd called the wrong number. It's

563
00:20:18,574 --> 00:20:20,323
week later a week later. Yeah. It sounds

564
00:20:20,323 --> 00:20:21,912
like a Cj j prize. What's Jimmy and

565
00:20:21,992 --> 00:20:23,025
Tyler. Hey, Zach Zach.

566
00:20:23,759 --> 00:20:26,080
Oklahoma. Yeah. I got back from my trip,

567
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:26,480
like,

568
00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:27,680
last week,

569
00:20:28,799 --> 00:20:30,799
relative to this voice mail.

570
00:20:32,734 --> 00:20:36,090
I went to 11 different state park. Wow.

571
00:20:36,329 --> 00:20:37,608
In 2 National park.

572
00:20:38,247 --> 00:20:38,646
That's cool.

573
00:20:40,659 --> 00:20:42,577
Drip was amazing. Cedar Appointment was great.

574
00:20:43,216 --> 00:20:45,294
They get right the direction that who's down

575
00:20:45,294 --> 00:20:46,812
when It went. Bummer.

576
00:20:48,010 --> 00:20:48,510
But

577
00:20:48,903 --> 00:20:50,892
I did blow up my mountain lake tire.

578
00:20:51,449 --> 00:20:52,721
I got it fixed though when I was

579
00:20:52,721 --> 00:20:53,596
in Mammoth cave.

580
00:20:55,839 --> 00:20:58,077
But it was great. Also, when I got

581
00:20:58,077 --> 00:21:00,634
back, I got parts in for my next

582
00:21:00,634 --> 00:21:03,191
project. I'm gonna build a camper show. I'm

583
00:21:03,191 --> 00:21:04,170
my bed and

584
00:21:04,561 --> 00:21:06,386
have a set where I can sleep out

585
00:21:06,386 --> 00:21:07,417
of the bed of my truck.

586
00:21:07,972 --> 00:21:09,718
Now I have the short bed, so it's

587
00:21:09,718 --> 00:21:11,170
not very big, but

588
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:13,960
I'm a little of... I'm, like, 5 9.

589
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:14,859
So,

590
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,720
I usually curl up when I sleep anyways.

591
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:18,859
But

592
00:21:20,290 --> 00:21:20,688
anyways,

593
00:21:21,325 --> 00:21:23,317
I'm out to have to coffee in cars,

594
00:21:25,070 --> 00:21:27,380
but y'all y'all all keep cross. I'll I'll

595
00:21:27,380 --> 00:21:28,257
catch you later.

596
00:21:28,988 --> 00:21:30,897
Sweet sweet, I'm kinda curious what he's building

597
00:21:30,897 --> 00:21:33,283
the camper out of? Yeah. That would be

598
00:21:33,283 --> 00:21:34,316
interesting to know. Mh.

599
00:21:35,032 --> 00:21:36,702
Also, when he say short, bed is it

600
00:21:36,702 --> 00:21:38,066
a 6 foot bed Or is it the

601
00:21:38,066 --> 00:21:40,285
5 foot 1 bed? Oh, jeez. Yeah. Right?

602
00:21:40,444 --> 00:21:43,138
Because I'm like, man, I'm 5 8 on

603
00:21:43,138 --> 00:21:44,169
a good day. Really?

604
00:21:44,819 --> 00:21:47,557
Yes. You look. Oh, shut up. And

605
00:21:48,895 --> 00:21:50,433
I... I'm 5 8

606
00:21:50,812 --> 00:21:52,171
or, like, 573

607
00:21:52,171 --> 00:21:53,210
quarters or whatever it is.

608
00:21:54,262 --> 00:21:55,857
And I can't imagine trying to sleep in

609
00:21:55,857 --> 00:21:58,090
a 5 foot 1 space. I can't do

610
00:21:58,090 --> 00:22:00,643
there. Well, yeah. You can't imagine sleeping in

611
00:22:00,643 --> 00:22:01,360
a 6 foot bed.

612
00:22:02,876 --> 00:22:05,287
But there's just... I feel like I would

613
00:22:05,287 --> 00:22:06,086
be okay,

614
00:22:06,805 --> 00:22:09,680
sleeping scrunch up. Mh. But there's just times

615
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,005
when you wanna spread or, like, stretch out.

616
00:22:12,482 --> 00:22:14,471
Right? Yep. Like, there's just... You wanna, like,

617
00:22:14,710 --> 00:22:16,221
roll on your back and kick your feet

618
00:22:16,221 --> 00:22:16,857
out. Yep.

619
00:22:17,509 --> 00:22:19,338
You don't wanna have to, like, stay scrunch

620
00:22:19,338 --> 00:22:21,645
up. So I don't... Like, yeah. I'm curious

621
00:22:21,645 --> 00:22:23,157
about how you're doing it if you're organizing

622
00:22:23,157 --> 00:22:24,134
it to sleep

623
00:22:24,525 --> 00:22:26,285
So you could have the tailgate down so

624
00:22:26,285 --> 00:22:28,125
you can get it get those extra few

625
00:22:28,125 --> 00:22:30,845
inches. Mh. Or what, you know, 16 ish

626
00:22:30,845 --> 00:22:32,365
instant inches, I should know.

627
00:22:34,137 --> 00:22:36,443
I make panels for tailgate for trucks. Okay.

628
00:22:36,682 --> 00:22:38,352
Got it. I know how big tailgate are.

629
00:22:38,591 --> 00:22:40,182
Alright. That that's definitely what I was thinking

630
00:22:40,182 --> 00:22:41,852
about. Yeah. You know. Exactly okay.

631
00:22:42,742 --> 00:22:45,450
16 inch black tailgate. U.

632
00:22:46,326 --> 00:22:47,919
K. That should be the name of your

633
00:22:47,919 --> 00:22:49,831
next business by the way. 16 inch black

634
00:22:49,831 --> 00:22:50,070
ones.

635
00:22:52,394 --> 00:22:55,022
They like it. Alright. Yeah. They all have

636
00:22:55,022 --> 00:22:57,013
a funny symbol etched into that.

637
00:22:58,048 --> 00:22:59,561
That would be the more flake way. Wouldn't

638
00:22:59,561 --> 00:23:01,406
it? Yes. Yeah. Totally this is the way.

639
00:23:02,678 --> 00:23:05,620
So... Yeah. That call us back. Let me

640
00:23:05,620 --> 00:23:07,370
know, let us know about how you were

641
00:23:07,370 --> 00:23:08,881
gonna build this thing out or what's your

642
00:23:08,881 --> 00:23:09,517
plans are.

643
00:23:10,406 --> 00:23:12,392
We... Or my family is now going on

644
00:23:12,392 --> 00:23:14,060
a roller coaster trip, so we'll I'll keep

645
00:23:14,060 --> 00:23:16,920
you guys informed about that. Nice. Yeah. That'd

646
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,845
be call. Send a send some pictures to

647
00:23:18,924 --> 00:23:21,072
Zach and, like, below each roller coaster. Yeah.

648
00:23:21,311 --> 00:23:23,300
Right? Here I am upside down. Yeah.

649
00:23:24,016 --> 00:23:25,767
On Superman or whatever they call it.

650
00:23:26,497 --> 00:23:29,200
Okay. So next 1. Okay. You're calling crap.

651
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,267
This is a long 1. 0, this is

652
00:23:31,426 --> 00:23:33,970
Tom Rosa. Oh, a week later realized what

653
00:23:33,970 --> 00:23:34,685
phone number he called.

654
00:23:35,733 --> 00:23:38,829
So he's calling back. Okay. See how his

655
00:23:38,829 --> 00:23:39,464
divorce went.

656
00:23:40,258 --> 00:23:42,957
Sounds good. Yep. Okay. Hey, guys. I just

657
00:23:42,957 --> 00:23:44,798
wanna call you on the 5 8 seeing

658
00:23:44,798 --> 00:23:46,650
the conservation and stuff of

659
00:23:47,343 --> 00:23:48,297
wilderness and everything.

660
00:23:48,854 --> 00:23:49,490
At 2 points.

661
00:23:50,365 --> 00:23:52,884
1, I think you're off basis on you

662
00:23:53,004 --> 00:23:54,523
can't take pictures in the Wilderness.

663
00:23:55,162 --> 00:23:56,382
I think the

664
00:23:56,841 --> 00:24:00,377
idea is you can't profit from pictures taken

665
00:24:00,437 --> 00:24:02,275
in the Wilderness and national parks.

666
00:24:03,406 --> 00:24:06,290
If you are doing an Instagram theory

667
00:24:06,982 --> 00:24:08,118
and you're a

668
00:24:08,652 --> 00:24:11,433
influencer that makes that makes money off of

669
00:24:11,433 --> 00:24:11,933
ads

670
00:24:12,244 --> 00:24:13,445
on social media.

671
00:24:14,404 --> 00:24:17,285
It... That's a against law. You're not allowed

672
00:24:17,285 --> 00:24:19,065
to do national park

673
00:24:21,201 --> 00:24:24,133
through pictures and audio recordings or whatever.

674
00:24:25,084 --> 00:24:27,085
So that that I kinda back up. Van

675
00:24:27,244 --> 00:24:30,125
Wilderness as up and seen Instagram fancy boys

676
00:24:30,125 --> 00:24:31,025
and lady

677
00:24:31,805 --> 00:24:34,384
taking pictures with their little pet dogs and

678
00:24:35,099 --> 00:24:36,696
No, big of a scene, and it's not

679
00:24:36,696 --> 00:24:38,931
about the scene. It's about the serenity of

680
00:24:38,931 --> 00:24:41,746
the wilderness and the quiet and

681
00:24:42,683 --> 00:24:44,221
being 1 with nature

682
00:24:44,533 --> 00:24:44,931
not

683
00:24:45,567 --> 00:24:46,545
having these Yahoo

684
00:24:47,397 --> 00:24:48,670
you know, distracted from that.

685
00:24:49,625 --> 00:24:52,272
The other point is the access for all

686
00:24:52,409 --> 00:24:52,909
and

687
00:24:53,697 --> 00:24:54,197
trail

688
00:24:54,572 --> 00:24:56,163
in area this different area.

689
00:24:58,469 --> 00:25:00,793
Think to an extreme. If you started building

690
00:25:00,793 --> 00:25:03,185
a bunch of trails through houston yosemite National

691
00:25:03,345 --> 00:25:05,418
Park. When you're out there on a wilderness

692
00:25:05,418 --> 00:25:07,571
hike and I don't think I want to

693
00:25:07,571 --> 00:25:08,767
see. I don't think I want to see

694
00:25:08,767 --> 00:25:10,934
cars driving by. I might I'm sure you

695
00:25:10,934 --> 00:25:13,563
guys have 2 hike around Spider Lake where

696
00:25:13,563 --> 00:25:16,532
it's just the beauty of the environment is

697
00:25:16,828 --> 00:25:18,501
is it's just amazing.

698
00:25:19,074 --> 00:25:20,992
And then you kind of finished your hike

699
00:25:20,992 --> 00:25:24,029
around the inlet side and you come back

700
00:25:24,029 --> 00:25:26,986
to the trail and the rub contra trail

701
00:25:26,986 --> 00:25:27,725
is just

702
00:25:28,197 --> 00:25:29,570
pounded the dust

703
00:25:29,944 --> 00:25:32,961
with oil and parts strewn about the area.

704
00:25:33,438 --> 00:25:35,502
I get it. That's how we got there.

705
00:25:35,740 --> 00:25:37,031
That's how we get there. I love it.

706
00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:39,503
But it is definitely mixed feeling. It definitely

707
00:25:39,503 --> 00:25:40,561
gives you those 2

708
00:25:41,337 --> 00:25:44,527
those are 2 opposing views of wilderness and

709
00:25:44,527 --> 00:25:47,331
access and how my tuesday, van, Trails.

710
00:25:47,968 --> 00:25:50,756
Thanks for calling the, wheel wine and whiskey

711
00:25:50,756 --> 00:25:51,234
hotline.

712
00:25:53,384 --> 00:25:53,942
I love it.

713
00:25:54,674 --> 00:25:56,828
No. 2 awesome excellent points.

714
00:25:57,546 --> 00:25:59,880
And, that's a good good

715
00:26:01,214 --> 00:26:02,831
clarification on the,

716
00:26:03,767 --> 00:26:04,267
photo,

717
00:26:05,377 --> 00:26:07,769
I guess, the... That's going through then and

718
00:26:07,769 --> 00:26:08,805
is kind of a big hub up right

719
00:26:08,805 --> 00:26:08,964
now.

720
00:26:09,682 --> 00:26:12,393
I'll need to double check and clarify on

721
00:26:12,393 --> 00:26:12,552
it.

722
00:26:13,603 --> 00:26:15,376
I still even if it's

723
00:26:15,911 --> 00:26:19,116
it's... They're gonna go after people for profit

724
00:26:19,730 --> 00:26:20,469
off of

725
00:26:21,003 --> 00:26:22,117
images of it.

726
00:26:22,928 --> 00:26:24,462
I still don't know how I feel

727
00:26:25,314 --> 00:26:25,871
about that.

728
00:26:26,667 --> 00:26:28,098
I don't know. I I'm... And I mean...

729
00:26:28,496 --> 00:26:30,817
Because I I follow both sides. I mean,

730
00:26:30,976 --> 00:26:32,406
like, I get... I understand,

731
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:34,471
Tom's view of, like,

732
00:26:35,346 --> 00:26:36,617
I think what Tom was more or less

733
00:26:36,617 --> 00:26:37,888
say, and was that, you know,

734
00:26:38,779 --> 00:26:41,094
the point to being out in that the

735
00:26:41,094 --> 00:26:41,834
national forest

736
00:26:42,930 --> 00:26:44,447
is to be out in the national forest,

737
00:26:44,607 --> 00:26:47,002
not to be out there doing photo shoots

738
00:26:47,002 --> 00:26:47,720
or videos.

739
00:26:48,134 --> 00:26:50,515
Or vlogging or anything else. Like, get out

740
00:26:50,515 --> 00:26:52,340
into nature. I fully get that. Mh. I

741
00:26:52,340 --> 00:26:55,118
think what your argument is is that the

742
00:26:55,118 --> 00:26:58,493
national forest should not be coming after people

743
00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:59,425
to make money.

744
00:27:00,300 --> 00:27:03,323
Yes. 100 percent feels like that's what they're

745
00:27:03,323 --> 00:27:03,641
doing.

746
00:27:04,213 --> 00:27:06,914
Yes. Like, so your your point is that

747
00:27:06,914 --> 00:27:07,072
they...

748
00:27:07,867 --> 00:27:09,535
Like, it's against the law, but they should,

749
00:27:09,615 --> 00:27:11,703
like, slap them with a fine or something

750
00:27:12,077 --> 00:27:15,113
not super bad to... They're not supposedly making

751
00:27:15,113 --> 00:27:17,100
the money off of it. Like, there So

752
00:27:17,259 --> 00:27:18,849
I guess the kind of the question for

753
00:27:18,849 --> 00:27:21,333
you in a way is Well, if it's

754
00:27:21,333 --> 00:27:23,171
not... If it's illegal to do,

755
00:27:23,970 --> 00:27:27,565
how what is the repercussions without being a

756
00:27:27,565 --> 00:27:30,318
fine of money? What's the enforcement? Yeah. Mechanism

757
00:27:30,377 --> 00:27:30,776
forth then.

758
00:27:32,614 --> 00:27:34,851
Community service? You have to go do a

759
00:27:34,851 --> 00:27:37,102
certain number of hours. Yeah in order to

760
00:27:37,102 --> 00:27:38,959
help restore or maintain

761
00:27:39,416 --> 00:27:41,491
the areas you took the images from that

762
00:27:41,491 --> 00:27:43,007
you're profiting off of maybe? I don't know.

763
00:27:44,299 --> 00:27:46,133
Yeah. I I don't I don't like the

764
00:27:46,133 --> 00:27:48,127
idea. It just it just feels like a

765
00:27:48,127 --> 00:27:49,584
lot of the stuff that B

766
00:27:50,041 --> 00:27:52,355
especially is doing right now. And National Forest

767
00:27:52,355 --> 00:27:54,603
is starting doing some of it. As well,

768
00:27:55,242 --> 00:27:57,238
seems to be money grab stuff.

769
00:27:57,956 --> 00:28:00,431
Yeah. For the sake of money grab stuff.

770
00:28:00,671 --> 00:28:02,107
It doesn't... I don't know. It just doesn't

771
00:28:02,107 --> 00:28:04,219
feel like their motives are

772
00:28:04,915 --> 00:28:07,011
for the enjoyment of

773
00:28:07,468 --> 00:28:08,446
the the forest

774
00:28:09,063 --> 00:28:10,100
kind of thing. Right.

775
00:28:10,738 --> 00:28:13,370
I... I'm... It's really interesting times.

776
00:28:14,181 --> 00:28:16,964
With all this kinda going on. Mh. With,

777
00:28:17,044 --> 00:28:19,532
you know, Youtube and solo,

778
00:28:20,383 --> 00:28:20,542
like,

779
00:28:21,258 --> 00:28:21,758
videographer

780
00:28:22,133 --> 00:28:24,295
being able to come up and start a

781
00:28:24,295 --> 00:28:26,761
business and make a good amount of money

782
00:28:27,159 --> 00:28:28,829
Or have the potential to make a good

783
00:28:28,829 --> 00:28:29,307
amount of money,

784
00:28:29,943 --> 00:28:30,443
being

785
00:28:30,754 --> 00:28:31,949
some sort of vlogger,

786
00:28:32,666 --> 00:28:35,478
Instagram or, you know, social media

787
00:28:36,412 --> 00:28:38,006
advertiser to some extent. Mh.

788
00:28:38,738 --> 00:28:40,670
Where it seems like the

789
00:28:41,045 --> 00:28:44,068
national Parks, so National Forest, B land is

790
00:28:44,068 --> 00:28:45,602
coming down on people

791
00:28:45,994 --> 00:28:48,152
visiting their land. Yeah?

792
00:28:48,871 --> 00:28:49,371
Because

793
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:51,348
now there's a lot of people kind of

794
00:28:51,348 --> 00:28:53,826
getting into this industry because there's a money

795
00:28:53,826 --> 00:28:54,705
making opportunity,

796
00:28:55,277 --> 00:28:55,754
but the,

797
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:58,537
national parks are kinda building like, hey, we

798
00:28:58,537 --> 00:28:59,173
don't want you.

799
00:29:00,047 --> 00:29:02,035
Don't want you here. We don't want you

800
00:29:02,035 --> 00:29:04,597
doing your business. Yeah. We don't need you

801
00:29:04,597 --> 00:29:06,588
around. Like, this isn't where you should be

802
00:29:06,588 --> 00:29:08,658
doing business. Mh. You know, So it's a

803
00:29:08,658 --> 00:29:11,127
really interesting kind time happening. Yeah.

804
00:29:11,858 --> 00:29:14,403
It was. I also am a big fan

805
00:29:14,403 --> 00:29:17,185
of sharing adventures. Yeah. I think that there's

806
00:29:17,185 --> 00:29:19,196
a lot of people out there that

807
00:29:20,063 --> 00:29:21,972
can't make it out to Utah. Can't make

808
00:29:21,972 --> 00:29:23,723
it out to Moa and do wheel and

809
00:29:23,802 --> 00:29:26,189
Moa and wheel Hell's revenge and Hell's kate.

810
00:29:26,348 --> 00:29:27,039
And these

811
00:29:27,478 --> 00:29:29,312
and come out to the Rub and wheel

812
00:29:29,312 --> 00:29:29,950
the Rub.

813
00:29:30,349 --> 00:29:33,480
So they really rely on content creators

814
00:29:34,017 --> 00:29:35,873
who have built a life around

815
00:29:36,743 --> 00:29:39,375
going on adventures and documenting those adventures to

816
00:29:39,375 --> 00:29:40,172
share with other people.

817
00:29:40,890 --> 00:29:42,724
I feel like those people almost for them,

818
00:29:43,202 --> 00:29:45,116
getting out in the wilderness, that's how they

819
00:29:45,116 --> 00:29:47,439
do it. And kinda of reset mentally from

820
00:29:47,439 --> 00:29:49,905
their their day to day life. Sure. And

821
00:29:49,905 --> 00:29:50,961
so I'm a huge

822
00:29:51,416 --> 00:29:52,473
believer that

823
00:29:52,784 --> 00:29:54,244
going out on adventures

824
00:29:54,784 --> 00:29:56,144
and getting away from the day to day

825
00:29:56,144 --> 00:29:58,464
life and escaping for a little bit is

826
00:29:58,464 --> 00:29:59,825
absolutely necessary for mental health.

827
00:30:00,478 --> 00:30:02,943
And I love my favorite way to do

828
00:30:02,943 --> 00:30:04,614
that. There's lots of ways to escape from

829
00:30:04,614 --> 00:30:06,841
life and distress. Right? My favorite way is

830
00:30:06,841 --> 00:30:09,244
going on adventures. And and being a part

831
00:30:09,244 --> 00:30:11,559
of adventures. And for some people, it's just

832
00:30:11,559 --> 00:30:12,059
not

833
00:30:12,517 --> 00:30:14,752
possible, whether it's physical ailments, keep them out,

834
00:30:15,072 --> 00:30:17,727
whether it's mental ailments or whether it's monetary

835
00:30:18,026 --> 00:30:18,345
resources,

836
00:30:18,839 --> 00:30:20,837
whatever it is. I don't think it... And

837
00:30:20,837 --> 00:30:24,113
so having that content available if other people

838
00:30:24,113 --> 00:30:25,552
going out sharing their adventures and showing what

839
00:30:25,552 --> 00:30:26,431
it's like to be on the rub corner.

840
00:30:26,670 --> 00:30:28,521
Showing what it's like. To be in yosemite.

841
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,153
Mh. I think that it's... That's that's a

842
00:30:31,153 --> 00:30:32,211
bigger value

843
00:30:33,067 --> 00:30:33,567
than

844
00:30:34,423 --> 00:30:37,156
the problems that come with that of

845
00:30:37,628 --> 00:30:38,128
having

846
00:30:38,743 --> 00:30:40,915
some valley girl with her little Chihuahua

847
00:30:41,291 --> 00:30:43,840
showing up and running out to old faithful

848
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,432
to get pictures in front of old faithful

849
00:30:45,432 --> 00:30:48,146
or touching flow or something Like, yeah. I

850
00:30:48,146 --> 00:30:49,970
those are definitely those are definitely problems,

851
00:30:50,684 --> 00:30:51,184
but

852
00:30:51,556 --> 00:30:53,563
I think that the benefits of

853
00:30:54,269 --> 00:30:54,769
content

854
00:30:55,228 --> 00:30:56,926
creation and sharing and adventure sharing

855
00:30:57,385 --> 00:30:57,885
way

856
00:30:58,264 --> 00:31:01,061
outweighs the negatives of the potential problems that

857
00:31:01,061 --> 00:31:03,310
comes with that. Right. That's my... Yeah. I

858
00:31:03,310 --> 00:31:05,860
think that's that's my feeling. And maybe there's

859
00:31:05,860 --> 00:31:08,091
a level of which, like, is... Maybe there

860
00:31:08,091 --> 00:31:09,446
is a level of too much.

861
00:31:10,018 --> 00:31:12,484
Yeah. You know. But, like, I'm just gonna

862
00:31:12,484 --> 00:31:14,632
use a silly example because this last weekend

863
00:31:14,632 --> 00:31:15,745
when we were out at the beach.

864
00:31:16,540 --> 00:31:17,972
There was a group of, like,

865
00:31:18,943 --> 00:31:21,098
6 young ladies. Mh.

866
00:31:21,817 --> 00:31:24,451
Posing on the beach in their bikini eating

867
00:31:24,451 --> 00:31:24,929
watermelon.

868
00:31:25,408 --> 00:31:26,627
That seems fun of

869
00:31:27,259 --> 00:31:29,413
Sorry. But I'm kinda I,

870
00:31:30,290 --> 00:31:31,805
the dad and the other dad and I

871
00:31:31,805 --> 00:31:33,799
were looking and watching going like, this is

872
00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:36,112
ridiculous. Like, this is kinda silly. You know,

873
00:31:36,272 --> 00:31:37,045
like, they,

874
00:31:37,404 --> 00:31:39,005
and then they got down and, like, put

875
00:31:39,005 --> 00:31:40,924
their knees where the water was breaking and

876
00:31:40,924 --> 00:31:42,605
eating watermelon And I'm like, what are they

877
00:31:42,605 --> 00:31:44,856
showing here? Like, what is... Even, like, Okay.

878
00:31:45,016 --> 00:31:47,002
They're doing, like, maybe Tiktok reels or whatever.

879
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,148
But the what I'm... The point I'm trying

880
00:31:49,148 --> 00:31:50,998
to bring it up is that

881
00:31:51,373 --> 00:31:53,301
you don't Like, to some extent, you don't

882
00:31:53,301 --> 00:31:55,296
have to pay attention to it. Yeah. You

883
00:31:55,296 --> 00:31:56,572
could look the other way. Like, they were

884
00:31:56,572 --> 00:31:57,849
down the beach. They were doing their own

885
00:31:57,849 --> 00:32:00,018
thing. Mh. You know, they weren't bothering us

886
00:32:00,018 --> 00:32:01,929
in anyway, they were just doing their thing,

887
00:32:02,168 --> 00:32:04,079
and it caught... We were, like, what the

888
00:32:04,079 --> 00:32:05,593
hell is happening. So we were, like, kinda

889
00:32:05,593 --> 00:32:07,663
of, like, what are they doing? Truck out.

890
00:32:07,743 --> 00:32:09,673
Yeah. Yeah. You know, But on the same

891
00:32:09,673 --> 00:32:11,191
side, we could be in, like, they're shooting

892
00:32:11,191 --> 00:32:14,009
some Tiktok real, and we're gonna turn our

893
00:32:14,148 --> 00:32:15,746
head and watch our children play in the

894
00:32:15,746 --> 00:32:16,705
sand. You know? It's like,

895
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,700
whatever. You know? So... But they weren't bothering

896
00:32:19,759 --> 00:32:21,279
anybody. So I think there was a line

897
00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:23,680
which like, okay. Is it bothering people? Yeah.

898
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,599
Or is it not bothering anybody?

899
00:32:26,173 --> 00:32:27,687
That's a good question too. I personally in

900
00:32:27,687 --> 00:32:30,077
those situations. I love people watching. Oh, yeah.

901
00:32:30,237 --> 00:32:31,751
I mean I mean, that's half sitting on

902
00:32:31,751 --> 00:32:34,318
the beach. Right? Exactly. Right. It's like, I

903
00:32:34,318 --> 00:32:36,556
would have so much entertainment not in that

904
00:32:36,556 --> 00:32:37,376
position or

905
00:32:38,154 --> 00:32:41,191
watching train wreck happen. Right? Like, watching somebody

906
00:32:41,191 --> 00:32:43,041
try and go touch a buffalo. Oh, I'd

907
00:32:43,041 --> 00:32:44,550
be all over that. Just be like, this

908
00:32:44,550 --> 00:32:46,321
person is gonna die. Yeah. I'm gonna

909
00:32:46,854 --> 00:32:47,172
idiot.

910
00:32:47,887 --> 00:32:50,508
Yeah. Natural selection at its finest. Let's go.

911
00:32:51,159 --> 00:32:52,276
But, yeah, I don't know. It's a it's

912
00:32:52,276 --> 00:32:53,791
a fine line. Right? At what point is

913
00:32:53,791 --> 00:32:55,647
it bothering people. And

914
00:32:56,344 --> 00:32:59,454
and at what point is it just really

915
00:32:59,454 --> 00:33:01,542
just over the top, but it's not really

916
00:33:01,542 --> 00:33:03,932
bothering people and at what point does that

917
00:33:03,932 --> 00:33:06,741
become a bigger issue than the positives

918
00:33:07,754 --> 00:33:08,254
of

919
00:33:08,710 --> 00:33:09,927
being able to

920
00:33:10,317 --> 00:33:12,380
share... Let people share their adventures. Right? Mh.

921
00:33:12,618 --> 00:33:13,809
So, yeah. I don't know how many people

922
00:33:13,809 --> 00:33:16,508
are gonna go watch that video or whatever

923
00:33:16,508 --> 00:33:18,865
these girls eating watermelon on at a on

924
00:33:19,065 --> 00:33:20,025
in the tide,

925
00:33:20,904 --> 00:33:22,444
but is banning

926
00:33:22,825 --> 00:33:24,845
them from doing that worth

927
00:33:25,625 --> 00:33:27,625
banning everybody that's doing all the good stuff

928
00:33:27,625 --> 00:33:30,269
too. Yeah. Don't know. Yeah. I'm not sure.

929
00:33:30,507 --> 00:33:32,417
I think that's where the the debate happens.

930
00:33:32,576 --> 00:33:34,644
Right? Yeah. Obviously. A hundred percent. And that's

931
00:33:34,644 --> 00:33:36,889
what I think it just becomes interesting times

932
00:33:36,889 --> 00:33:38,961
as somebody that is somewhat in the profession.

933
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,069
Mh. Of going of wheel and showing adventures

934
00:33:42,069 --> 00:33:44,472
and going out and having fun and shooting

935
00:33:44,472 --> 00:33:46,619
a photo of my vehicle. Mh. Like, if

936
00:33:46,699 --> 00:33:48,051
I drive up on the Rub con, and

937
00:33:48,130 --> 00:33:49,721
I'm on soup and I take a photo

938
00:33:49,721 --> 00:33:51,073
of my truck on soup bowl, like,

939
00:33:51,884 --> 00:33:53,640
is if I'm making money off of that,

940
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,514
that's illegal. Like, Yeah. I'd... That's what's ridiculous.

941
00:33:56,673 --> 00:33:58,270
Mh. I don't think that should be a

942
00:33:58,270 --> 00:34:00,186
late... Everybody takes a photo of their vehicle.

943
00:34:00,345 --> 00:34:02,032
It's a matter of if you making money.

944
00:34:02,271 --> 00:34:05,295
Yep. Yeah. And so it's also, like, say,

945
00:34:06,011 --> 00:34:08,494
you shot that video on Super bowl. I'll

946
00:34:08,494 --> 00:34:10,092
with your 4 wheel underground kit, and then

947
00:34:10,172 --> 00:34:12,010
Brian decides to use it as marketing material.

948
00:34:12,490 --> 00:34:14,168
Does he get fined now for...

949
00:34:14,887 --> 00:34:17,045
Because he's making the money on it and

950
00:34:17,045 --> 00:34:18,578
you didn't make any money on it kind

951
00:34:18,578 --> 00:34:20,577
of thing or, yeah. I don't... It's there's

952
00:34:20,577 --> 00:34:22,494
a lot of great area, and I don't

953
00:34:22,654 --> 00:34:24,812
I don't like the potential that it opens

954
00:34:24,812 --> 00:34:26,810
to misuse and abuse that law.

955
00:34:27,940 --> 00:34:29,292
I think is another problem of it. I

956
00:34:29,292 --> 00:34:30,508
look at a lot of laws

957
00:34:30,963 --> 00:34:32,315
and that we have in this country and

958
00:34:32,394 --> 00:34:34,556
I'm like, okay. Yeah. The loss states this,

959
00:34:34,715 --> 00:34:36,383
but what is the real potential that you

960
00:34:36,383 --> 00:34:37,677
could do with this law

961
00:34:38,130 --> 00:34:39,957
kind of thing. And I know that that's

962
00:34:39,957 --> 00:34:41,704
a huge contention point right now with the

963
00:34:41,784 --> 00:34:43,372
Rub reroute going on?

964
00:34:44,023 --> 00:34:45,714
There's a lot of... It's not

965
00:34:46,405 --> 00:34:49,288
clearly what a very key component is not

966
00:34:49,503 --> 00:34:51,671
clearly and explicitly defined

967
00:34:52,378 --> 00:34:54,532
with the re reroute, and that's what's causing

968
00:34:54,532 --> 00:34:57,083
a huge amount of contention with it. And

969
00:34:57,083 --> 00:34:59,396
so it's like, yeah. Well, this lot and

970
00:34:59,396 --> 00:35:01,562
the re reroute and everything sounds great. But

971
00:35:01,562 --> 00:35:02,855
it's missing this 1

972
00:35:03,306 --> 00:35:05,945
critical absolutely critical component to it

973
00:35:06,396 --> 00:35:08,750
that the 4 service is saying, yeah, That's

974
00:35:08,869 --> 00:35:11,110
still there, but it's not explicitly written into

975
00:35:11,110 --> 00:35:11,670
the language.

976
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:14,150
So is it really there and can that

977
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:15,829
be abused in the future kind of thing?

978
00:35:15,989 --> 00:35:18,322
And so I I just feel like this

979
00:35:18,322 --> 00:35:18,822
whole

980
00:35:19,754 --> 00:35:23,574
finding people for images and content created on

981
00:35:23,574 --> 00:35:26,120
public lands is a step in the wrong

982
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:27,967
direction. I don't I don't I don't like

983
00:35:27,967 --> 00:35:29,880
the where it could lead to as well.

984
00:35:30,199 --> 00:35:30,358
Yeah.

985
00:35:31,395 --> 00:35:33,228
I guess it draws a it draws a

986
00:35:33,228 --> 00:35:35,381
gray line of what's public. Yeah. Right?

987
00:35:36,034 --> 00:35:38,098
And that leaves it up into definition by

988
00:35:38,098 --> 00:35:40,163
a judge kind of thing too. Yeah. A

989
00:35:40,163 --> 00:35:42,862
subjective definition, I guess. It's public land shouldn't.

990
00:35:43,021 --> 00:35:45,022
Why can't I I mean, I understand I

991
00:35:45,022 --> 00:35:47,326
can't commit murder. Yeah. Right. Right? But... Yeah.

992
00:35:47,485 --> 00:35:49,232
I should be... I could do business. Right?

993
00:35:49,630 --> 00:35:52,115
Yeah. You... Yeah. I don't I don't pay

994
00:35:52,664 --> 00:35:54,344
Like, I have my... I guess, I have

995
00:35:54,344 --> 00:35:56,344
my own private property and I do business

996
00:35:56,344 --> 00:35:57,065
there. Mh.

997
00:35:57,704 --> 00:35:59,785
Yeah. I don't... I don't know. I need

998
00:35:59,785 --> 00:36:02,358
to do more research and understand more about

999
00:36:02,358 --> 00:36:04,835
it. Yeah. And then for the the second

1000
00:36:04,835 --> 00:36:06,213
part, I think, Tom

1001
00:36:06,912 --> 00:36:08,910
made a good illusion to it.

1002
00:36:09,723 --> 00:36:11,732
Is the difference between access

1003
00:36:12,264 --> 00:36:12,764
and

1004
00:36:13,535 --> 00:36:17,030
I guess the the the lows... Location, I

1005
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:18,856
guess. Yeah. Are you're going to? I don't

1006
00:36:18,856 --> 00:36:21,099
know. Like, the Rub trail is an awesome

1007
00:36:21,099 --> 00:36:24,043
trail, but it's the access route through that

1008
00:36:24,043 --> 00:36:24,441
area.

1009
00:36:25,157 --> 00:36:27,726
Right? And so what the B is doing

1010
00:36:27,862 --> 00:36:30,691
is that they're closing all these access routes

1011
00:36:31,468 --> 00:36:34,342
to get to places like Spider Lake. So

1012
00:36:34,342 --> 00:36:35,859
let's just take through contra control for an

1013
00:36:35,859 --> 00:36:37,057
example because we talked about it a lot.

1014
00:36:37,296 --> 00:36:39,620
I don't think this ever in Blah. But

1015
00:36:39,620 --> 00:36:42,164
say, they're looking at El Dorado National forest

1016
00:36:42,164 --> 00:36:43,834
and they're like, hey, we need to do

1017
00:36:43,834 --> 00:36:46,798
a new travel management plan. And the Rub

1018
00:36:46,935 --> 00:36:47,435
trail

1019
00:36:48,063 --> 00:36:49,892
It's questionable as the whether or not it's

1020
00:36:49,892 --> 00:36:51,802
really used if it serves a purpose, blah

1021
00:36:51,802 --> 00:36:53,869
blah blah. So we're gonna shut it down.

1022
00:36:54,267 --> 00:36:54,427
Right.

1023
00:36:55,238 --> 00:36:57,631
How do you now access places like Buck

1024
00:36:57,711 --> 00:37:00,422
Island and Spider Lake for everybody.

1025
00:37:01,061 --> 00:37:01,300
Right.

1026
00:37:01,938 --> 00:37:04,592
Unless the argument is that not everybody deserves

1027
00:37:05,304 --> 00:37:07,144
to go out and re and and be

1028
00:37:07,144 --> 00:37:09,464
in these places. Sure. Yeah. I mean, I

1029
00:37:09,464 --> 00:37:11,224
think that a lot of it comes down

1030
00:37:11,224 --> 00:37:12,984
and, like, this is what Blue Ribbon was

1031
00:37:12,984 --> 00:37:15,316
talking about when on when we'd kinda discussed

1032
00:37:15,316 --> 00:37:16,831
on what was a 05:18? I think he

1033
00:37:16,831 --> 00:37:19,942
said, Mh. In regards to, like, handicapped people?

1034
00:37:20,181 --> 00:37:23,212
Yeah. Like, how do handicap people get to

1035
00:37:23,212 --> 00:37:23,712
places

1036
00:37:24,184 --> 00:37:27,061
that they have to access in a a

1037
00:37:27,061 --> 00:37:27,860
motor vehicle.

1038
00:37:28,420 --> 00:37:31,536
Mh. State, Like, if you close the Rub

1039
00:37:31,536 --> 00:37:33,969
down, how is somebody that is Para

1040
00:37:34,506 --> 00:37:37,936
gonna get to Buck Island like. Yeah. Helicopter?

1041
00:37:38,653 --> 00:37:40,727
Right. I don't... Is that allowed? I mean,

1042
00:37:40,807 --> 00:37:43,040
if it doesn't touch the ground. No helicopters

1043
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:44,328
create too much environmental noise.

1044
00:37:45,045 --> 00:37:46,556
1 of the big issues with Oh is

1045
00:37:46,556 --> 00:37:48,386
that we create too much environmental noise with

1046
00:37:48,386 --> 00:37:48,784
our motors.

1047
00:37:49,977 --> 00:37:52,860
Yeah. So they don't let helicopters fly over

1048
00:37:52,860 --> 00:37:54,853
des destination wilderness? I don't know. It's a

1049
00:37:54,853 --> 00:37:55,251
good question.

1050
00:37:55,969 --> 00:37:57,722
Yeah. I don't. I bet you, I think

1051
00:37:57,722 --> 00:38:00,288
they do. I would imagine they do, but,

1052
00:38:00,448 --> 00:38:03,318
like, then is that a a double sided

1053
00:38:03,318 --> 00:38:05,073
coin or whatever double edged sword? I don't

1054
00:38:05,073 --> 00:38:07,147
know. Or they're have to fly over at,

1055
00:38:07,226 --> 00:38:08,913
like, 5 and feet or something You know,

1056
00:38:09,072 --> 00:38:11,060
that hat can't be close. Yeah. But... Yeah.

1057
00:38:11,378 --> 00:38:14,559
I don't... So the... What happens when we

1058
00:38:14,559 --> 00:38:15,593
drive electric vehicles.

1059
00:38:16,325 --> 00:38:18,644
Right? And there's less noise pollution. There's no

1060
00:38:18,644 --> 00:38:20,644
noise pollution. I mean tires on rocks maybe.

1061
00:38:20,885 --> 00:38:21,045
Yeah.

1062
00:38:22,164 --> 00:38:24,493
Yeah. I think that that's a a good

1063
00:38:24,493 --> 00:38:26,870
option, but it seems like people on that

1064
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:29,009
side of the of the argument on that

1065
00:38:29,009 --> 00:38:30,515
side of the fence are saying,

1066
00:38:31,324 --> 00:38:33,638
any noise. Any we want is nature. Yeah.

1067
00:38:33,797 --> 00:38:35,154
All we want is nature. We don't want

1068
00:38:35,154 --> 00:38:37,309
anything disrupting it, and we don't want a

1069
00:38:37,309 --> 00:38:39,954
vehicle there at all. So even if once

1070
00:38:39,954 --> 00:38:42,364
we fix the quote unquote issue of noise

1071
00:38:42,421 --> 00:38:44,649
pollution by getting rid of internal combustion engines,

1072
00:38:45,047 --> 00:38:46,240
they're gonna come up with some other reasons.

1073
00:38:46,479 --> 00:38:49,121
Share. Absolutely. Yeah. I like the fact that

1074
00:38:49,121 --> 00:38:50,635
there are places that you can go where

1075
00:38:50,635 --> 00:38:53,582
there is no noise pollution. I agree. But

1076
00:38:53,741 --> 00:38:56,631
I also don't like the idea of taking

1077
00:38:56,689 --> 00:38:57,189
away

1078
00:38:58,215 --> 00:39:01,174
access to places that we already have because

1079
00:39:01,388 --> 00:39:03,451
somebody says there's too much noise pollution. Yeah.

1080
00:39:03,688 --> 00:39:06,797
When they do a different hobby that is

1081
00:39:06,797 --> 00:39:09,652
not the the noise pollution hobby. Mh. You

1082
00:39:09,652 --> 00:39:12,191
know, if somebody hikes to a Spider lake.

1083
00:39:12,349 --> 00:39:12,588
Mh.

1084
00:39:13,317 --> 00:39:16,020
Which there's an easy... Well, semi easy path

1085
00:39:16,020 --> 00:39:17,371
to get to the backside of spider like,

1086
00:39:17,451 --> 00:39:19,915
mh. I've paddle boarded to the backside of

1087
00:39:19,915 --> 00:39:21,920
spider like, Mh. Right? I've been on the

1088
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,072
far side of Spider, and, you know, it

1089
00:39:24,072 --> 00:39:26,223
sounds like Tom talked about walking around, Spider.

1090
00:39:26,860 --> 00:39:28,295
You're on the far side of Spider and

1091
00:39:28,295 --> 00:39:30,286
you're hearing people rev up their engines playing

1092
00:39:30,286 --> 00:39:33,169
on soup Mh. But I think that, like,

1093
00:39:33,407 --> 00:39:34,363
in this example,

1094
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:36,832
those people need to understand that there is

1095
00:39:36,832 --> 00:39:39,675
a dedicated off road trail there, and that's

1096
00:39:39,954 --> 00:39:43,227
that is part of that area. Like, yeah.

1097
00:39:43,466 --> 00:39:46,100
I think that's something he's missing. There's a

1098
00:39:46,100 --> 00:39:47,697
lack of, like, thought.

1099
00:39:48,335 --> 00:39:50,659
That Yeah. I'm going into nature, and I'm

1100
00:39:50,659 --> 00:39:52,728
doing a backpack packing trip, but I'm also

1101
00:39:52,728 --> 00:39:55,274
doing a backpack trip right next to a

1102
00:39:55,274 --> 00:39:57,683
on a off road trail. Yeah. Like, there's

1103
00:39:58,233 --> 00:40:01,176
you're gonna hear vehicles. Mh. Because that's where

1104
00:40:01,176 --> 00:40:03,562
you're going. Yeah. Right? I know that my

1105
00:40:03,562 --> 00:40:05,551
old man loved to... He... Back in the

1106
00:40:05,551 --> 00:40:07,872
day, he liked to go cross country ski

1107
00:40:07,872 --> 00:40:08,190
camping.

1108
00:40:08,827 --> 00:40:10,576
Okay. Right? And him and a buddy of

1109
00:40:10,576 --> 00:40:11,712
his would

1110
00:40:12,563 --> 00:40:14,813
go out for, like, 4 or 5 days

1111
00:40:15,045 --> 00:40:16,565
just go out into the middle of nowhere,

1112
00:40:16,724 --> 00:40:18,804
find some place to go camp, and then

1113
00:40:18,804 --> 00:40:20,244
every... They make a base camp and every

1114
00:40:20,244 --> 00:40:22,344
day, they go skiing in a some different

1115
00:40:22,405 --> 00:40:26,114
direction. Okay? And my old man hates snowmobile.

1116
00:40:26,891 --> 00:40:29,786
Yeah, because they are loud. Mh. And

1117
00:40:30,244 --> 00:40:32,260
they make a lot of noise and they

1118
00:40:32,414 --> 00:40:34,244
you know, how... They don't care for the

1119
00:40:34,244 --> 00:40:35,914
powder. Mh. You know, if they enjoy the

1120
00:40:35,914 --> 00:40:37,824
powder a different way than my dad enjoyed

1121
00:40:37,824 --> 00:40:39,828
the powder. Yeah. Right? And I'm like Well,

1122
00:40:40,067 --> 00:40:42,215
why do you go cross country ski camping

1123
00:40:42,215 --> 00:40:44,068
right next to snow

1124
00:40:44,523 --> 00:40:46,353
areas areas. Yeah. Like, why don't she go

1125
00:40:46,353 --> 00:40:48,764
somewhere else? Yeah. And he's... His whole thing

1126
00:40:48,764 --> 00:40:50,204
was well because there's not...

1127
00:40:51,005 --> 00:40:52,304
Like, this is an

1128
00:40:52,684 --> 00:40:54,684
a I don't a national park, I'll just

1129
00:40:54,684 --> 00:40:57,725
say or somewhere that allows cross country skiing,

1130
00:40:57,884 --> 00:41:00,265
but they also allows snowmobile. Yeah. Well, well,

1131
00:41:00,344 --> 00:41:02,249
then you can't get away from it. Yeah.

1132
00:41:02,407 --> 00:41:03,225
Like, this isn't

1133
00:41:03,694 --> 00:41:05,210
Like, snowmobile are gonna be out there and

1134
00:41:05,210 --> 00:41:06,806
you have to accept it. Yeah. It's not

1135
00:41:06,806 --> 00:41:09,039
something that you can't close this entire area

1136
00:41:09,039 --> 00:41:10,736
down because you want a peaceful

1137
00:41:11,049 --> 00:41:13,438
quiet area because you like going cross injury

1138
00:41:13,438 --> 00:41:15,749
skiing. Yeah. They also get to enjoy their

1139
00:41:15,749 --> 00:41:17,979
fun too. Yeah. Yeah. Like, what... That I

1140
00:41:17,979 --> 00:41:19,174
think that's really what it comes down to

1141
00:41:19,174 --> 00:41:20,152
is what makes

1142
00:41:20,703 --> 00:41:23,574
1 group able to say that their form

1143
00:41:23,574 --> 00:41:25,807
of enjoyment is better than another group's form

1144
00:41:25,807 --> 00:41:28,759
of enjoyment. Yeah. Yeah. And it's... It nobody

1145
00:41:28,759 --> 00:41:31,162
should. Yeah. In a way. Right? Mean, that

1146
00:41:31,162 --> 00:41:32,907
the way that it comes down is they

1147
00:41:32,907 --> 00:41:35,604
state that we're doing environmental mental damage. Yeah.

1148
00:41:36,001 --> 00:41:38,721
Therefore, they can get us shut down. Mh.

1149
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,754
Because of environmental damage. It's not noise pollution.

1150
00:41:41,914 --> 00:41:43,350
Yeah. It's not the it... They're not getting

1151
00:41:43,350 --> 00:41:45,505
it shut down because oh, we're loud. Yeah.

1152
00:41:46,078 --> 00:41:47,833
In a shut down because we're rev our

1153
00:41:47,833 --> 00:41:50,067
engines because we're trying to climb something and

1154
00:41:50,067 --> 00:41:52,321
our tires are spinning. Mh. And it's doing

1155
00:41:52,380 --> 00:41:54,533
damage to the environment even though we're on

1156
00:41:54,533 --> 00:41:55,411
rock. Yep.

1157
00:41:55,984 --> 00:41:58,775
So that's what that's how they're get it

1158
00:41:58,775 --> 00:42:01,087
doing it. But what gives them the right

1159
00:42:01,087 --> 00:42:03,399
to say that their hobby is better than

1160
00:42:03,399 --> 00:42:05,648
our hobby or their hobby is better. It's

1161
00:42:05,648 --> 00:42:08,361
more superior. Mh. I I don't... There's no

1162
00:42:08,361 --> 00:42:10,916
answer. Yeah. I mean, I would say ours

1163
00:42:10,916 --> 00:42:13,070
is better because we could get to more

1164
00:42:13,070 --> 00:42:13,570
places

1165
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,382
possibly quicker. We could go farther out than

1166
00:42:17,382 --> 00:42:19,530
and carry more things if needed. Mh. We

1167
00:42:19,530 --> 00:42:21,598
can help more people if somebody gets injured.

1168
00:42:21,757 --> 00:42:25,027
Mh. We also have more access for more

1169
00:42:25,027 --> 00:42:28,043
different types of disabilities than theirs does. Mh.

1170
00:42:28,202 --> 00:42:30,603
So, I... Yeah. I would say that ours

1171
00:42:30,603 --> 00:42:33,001
is better. Yeah. I don't know. I I

1172
00:42:33,001 --> 00:42:34,679
would argue. I'm gonna turn it around to

1173
00:42:34,759 --> 00:42:36,037
Tom because 1 of the things that he

1174
00:42:36,037 --> 00:42:37,795
mentioned, and... I'm doing this because I know

1175
00:42:37,875 --> 00:42:39,567
Tom, I love Tom. He's an awesome dude.

1176
00:42:39,726 --> 00:42:41,243
I love sitting down chatting with him about

1177
00:42:41,243 --> 00:42:42,679
stuff like this. Oh, yeah. I don't hate

1178
00:42:42,679 --> 00:42:44,595
the guy. Went... At. I mean, it's that's

1179
00:42:44,595 --> 00:42:46,910
the fun of some campfire fire discussion. Yeah.

1180
00:42:47,323 --> 00:42:48,833
Is being it is literally having a campfire

1181
00:42:48,833 --> 00:42:51,057
fire discussion. Sitting around talking and having a

1182
00:42:51,057 --> 00:42:52,646
good time. And be... All being friends at

1183
00:42:52,646 --> 00:42:54,552
the end of it. Yeah. Right? We're still

1184
00:42:54,552 --> 00:42:56,798
all friends. Yep. Yes. So he mentioned, you

1185
00:42:56,798 --> 00:42:59,195
know, his hike around a Spider Lake. Mh.

1186
00:42:59,355 --> 00:43:00,814
There's no trash. It's beautiful

1187
00:43:01,193 --> 00:43:03,111
and and blah blah, and then you come

1188
00:43:03,111 --> 00:43:05,360
back to the trail and there's oil stains

1189
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,828
and parts strewn across the trail on blah

1190
00:43:07,828 --> 00:43:08,726
blah. So

1191
00:43:09,500 --> 00:43:12,047
my argument is university falls.

1192
00:43:12,778 --> 00:43:14,052
You know about University falls?

1193
00:43:14,927 --> 00:43:16,041
It was up in near Georgetown.

1194
00:43:16,916 --> 00:43:18,189
It. It is up in Georgetown.

1195
00:43:19,223 --> 00:43:21,315
4 falls. 4 falls is another. But... Yes.

1196
00:43:21,635 --> 00:43:24,114
So University falls 4 falls was a series

1197
00:43:24,114 --> 00:43:25,094
of amazing

1198
00:43:25,394 --> 00:43:25,894
waterfall,

1199
00:43:27,394 --> 00:43:30,046
natural water slides on rock. And it was...

1200
00:43:30,683 --> 00:43:32,833
It flowed over the rock for so many

1201
00:43:32,833 --> 00:43:34,346
years that the rock is, like,

1202
00:43:35,141 --> 00:43:38,025
super duper smooth. Yeah. There's a very film,

1203
00:43:38,344 --> 00:43:40,505
thin line of algae that grows on there

1204
00:43:40,505 --> 00:43:42,505
and you literally can slide down rock,

1205
00:43:43,224 --> 00:43:45,704
landed it on in board shorts. Then you

1206
00:43:45,704 --> 00:43:47,144
land in a big pool at the bottom.

1207
00:43:47,558 --> 00:43:49,146
The slides are maybe as big as like,

1208
00:43:51,052 --> 00:43:53,196
playground slide. Yeah. You know, they're not very

1209
00:43:53,196 --> 00:43:55,675
long, But the... It's 4 consecutive ones. Like,

1210
00:43:55,835 --> 00:43:58,015
you slide down 1, you swim across this

1211
00:43:58,074 --> 00:43:59,994
little pool and you slide down the next

1212
00:43:59,994 --> 00:44:01,355
1. It was... Yeah. It was a really

1213
00:44:01,355 --> 00:44:03,835
cool spot. Yep. It is closed. It is.

1214
00:44:04,074 --> 00:44:05,707
Yep. Because people

1215
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,540
trashed it and there was injuries, tons.

1216
00:44:09,255 --> 00:44:10,842
Lots of injuries and a ton of trash,

1217
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,588
and people did not maintain it did not

1218
00:44:12,588 --> 00:44:13,143
look after it.

1219
00:44:13,795 --> 00:44:14,034
And,

1220
00:44:14,675 --> 00:44:15,315
during Covid,

1221
00:44:16,114 --> 00:44:19,414
we saw that, when people went dispersed camping

1222
00:44:19,954 --> 00:44:21,875
in non access areas,

1223
00:44:22,848 --> 00:44:25,643
They left trash and just absolutely destroyed Areas.

1224
00:44:26,202 --> 00:44:29,416
And so I would argue that the leaving

1225
00:44:29,554 --> 00:44:32,519
trash and etcetera, blah blah blah, is a

1226
00:44:32,519 --> 00:44:33,019
people

1227
00:44:33,393 --> 00:44:36,333
issue not a form of recreation issue.

1228
00:44:37,128 --> 00:44:40,329
So by by saying that if we remove

1229
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,000
access or we're we're not... We're against adding

1230
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:45,860
more trails or we're against adding

1231
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,420
routes or dealing with routes in an area

1232
00:44:48,893 --> 00:44:51,379
I would argue that then if

1233
00:44:51,833 --> 00:44:53,898
when people do eventually get to those areas,

1234
00:44:54,057 --> 00:44:55,885
and they leave trash in those areas because

1235
00:44:55,885 --> 00:44:56,997
that's what people do,

1236
00:44:57,969 --> 00:44:58,469
Unfortunately,

1237
00:44:59,407 --> 00:45:01,086
that the trash is gonna stay around a

1238
00:45:01,086 --> 00:45:03,882
lot longer and be a bigger environmental problem

1239
00:45:03,882 --> 00:45:05,800
and stay around longer for more people to

1240
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:06,300
see

1241
00:45:06,773 --> 00:45:09,557
and disrupt their nature experience in the future.

1242
00:45:09,796 --> 00:45:11,626
Yeah. And if they see it, then they're

1243
00:45:11,626 --> 00:45:13,217
more likely to leave trash. Yeah.

1244
00:45:13,867 --> 00:45:15,614
And so I It's... I think that it's

1245
00:45:15,614 --> 00:45:18,314
a people problem, not a recreation problem, a

1246
00:45:18,314 --> 00:45:20,935
form of recreation problem. I would even venture

1247
00:45:20,935 --> 00:45:23,413
to argue that off road pick up more

1248
00:45:23,413 --> 00:45:26,361
trash. Probably, because we have a vessel to

1249
00:45:26,361 --> 00:45:27,556
keep it in until we get back home.

1250
00:45:27,795 --> 00:45:29,570
Yeah. When I did that in Nevada

1251
00:45:30,504 --> 00:45:32,576
wild horses trip, I picked up a tire.

1252
00:45:32,989 --> 00:45:35,302
Yeah. Yeah. Off of the... It was right

1253
00:45:35,302 --> 00:45:37,855
off the trail. Yeah. We're, like, 2 hours

1254
00:45:37,855 --> 00:45:39,210
out in sort of the middle of nowhere,

1255
00:45:39,370 --> 00:45:41,125
at least 2 hours down this trail. I

1256
00:45:41,125 --> 00:45:42,481
don't know if there's a shortcut to that

1257
00:45:42,481 --> 00:45:45,215
spot. And it's absolutely gorgeous out there. We're

1258
00:45:45,215 --> 00:45:46,815
driving along, and there is a tire,

1259
00:45:47,454 --> 00:45:49,454
like a 31 inch tire on the side

1260
00:45:49,454 --> 00:45:51,384
of the road. Yeah. On the trail. Right?

1261
00:45:51,543 --> 00:45:53,371
And I just... I was like, I'm gonna

1262
00:45:53,371 --> 00:45:55,278
pick that up. Yeah. Like, and then I

1263
00:45:55,278 --> 00:45:56,788
contacted the dump. I'm like, hey. I've got

1264
00:45:56,788 --> 00:45:57,981
a few tires. How do I get rid

1265
00:45:57,981 --> 00:46:00,142
of these? Mh. 15 bucks a piece. So

1266
00:46:00,222 --> 00:46:01,176
I picked up a piece of trash, and

1267
00:46:01,176 --> 00:46:02,767
now I'm gonna have to pay 15 dollars

1268
00:46:02,767 --> 00:46:04,915
to get rid of it. Yep. You're that,

1269
00:46:05,153 --> 00:46:07,556
Jimmy. It's silly. And I would be... I

1270
00:46:07,556 --> 00:46:09,389
wanna go... I wanna say about University falls

1271
00:46:09,389 --> 00:46:09,867
is it was...

1272
00:46:10,743 --> 00:46:12,814
And I think it's a people problem, but

1273
00:46:12,814 --> 00:46:14,726
it's also an education problem. What on a

1274
00:46:14,726 --> 00:46:16,182
percent? Because the

1275
00:46:16,811 --> 00:46:18,476
the peep... I would... I'm gonna go as

1276
00:46:18,476 --> 00:46:20,142
far as say that the people that got

1277
00:46:20,142 --> 00:46:23,157
that area shut down were young kids. And

1278
00:46:23,157 --> 00:46:24,370
kids being, like, teenagers

1279
00:46:25,077 --> 00:46:27,706
just sort of starting to drive barely drinking

1280
00:46:27,706 --> 00:46:30,335
age if bear, like, if barely able to

1281
00:46:30,335 --> 00:46:30,494
drink.

1282
00:46:31,211 --> 00:46:33,136
Because they would go down there and party.

1283
00:46:33,375 --> 00:46:34,886
Mh. They would have a hell of a

1284
00:46:34,886 --> 00:46:37,432
party. They drink that they would carry their

1285
00:46:37,432 --> 00:46:39,996
30 pack down. They'd have a lot of

1286
00:46:39,996 --> 00:46:42,072
fun. They get hurt. They would be rescues.

1287
00:46:42,312 --> 00:46:44,228
Mh. They would leave their trash because they

1288
00:46:44,228 --> 00:46:46,143
have to hike out. Mh. And it was

1289
00:46:46,143 --> 00:46:47,761
like a... It was a fun

1290
00:46:48,474 --> 00:46:49,454
like, 2 mile

1291
00:46:49,755 --> 00:46:52,234
1. Yeah. But it's all downhill. Yeah. It's

1292
00:46:52,234 --> 00:46:52,734
so

1293
00:46:53,034 --> 00:46:55,375
out is all uphill. Yeah. And the first

1294
00:46:55,609 --> 00:46:57,523
the the very end stretch when you're going

1295
00:46:57,523 --> 00:46:59,038
in or the very beginning stretch on your

1296
00:46:59,038 --> 00:47:01,452
way out is steep. Yeah. And

1297
00:47:01,988 --> 00:47:04,561
the probably that demographic of people

1298
00:47:05,194 --> 00:47:05,694
didn't

1299
00:47:06,073 --> 00:47:08,710
care. Yeah. About leaving the trash and the

1300
00:47:08,710 --> 00:47:11,347
party that they had, and we're more concerned

1301
00:47:11,347 --> 00:47:13,185
about just being able to hike out. Mh.

1302
00:47:13,425 --> 00:47:15,427
And So I think it really came down

1303
00:47:15,427 --> 00:47:17,807
to an educational factor for that. Plus it

1304
00:47:17,807 --> 00:47:20,029
is on private land, so they they have

1305
00:47:20,029 --> 00:47:20,822
a full right too.

1306
00:47:21,474 --> 00:47:22,910
Close it. And you get you go past

1307
00:47:22,910 --> 00:47:25,463
a no trespassing sign. Yeah. Yeah. I I

1308
00:47:25,463 --> 00:47:27,378
agree. I think education is the answer. I

1309
00:47:27,378 --> 00:47:29,307
don't think closure is nancy I don't think

1310
00:47:29,307 --> 00:47:31,219
mitigating access is an answer. I don't think

1311
00:47:31,219 --> 00:47:31,378
that...

1312
00:47:32,573 --> 00:47:33,211
I don't think that...

1313
00:47:34,326 --> 00:47:35,702
What was it the

1314
00:47:37,049 --> 00:47:39,118
preservation is the answer. I think that things

1315
00:47:39,118 --> 00:47:41,505
are always gonna evolve. I don't think that

1316
00:47:41,505 --> 00:47:44,051
the... Trying to preserve something so it stays

1317
00:47:44,051 --> 00:47:45,188
the exact same

1318
00:47:45,660 --> 00:47:47,099
because that's how we remembered it when we

1319
00:47:47,099 --> 00:47:48,300
were in high school or something. I don't

1320
00:47:48,300 --> 00:47:50,460
think that's the right answer for for areas

1321
00:47:50,460 --> 00:47:51,019
or anything.

1322
00:47:51,660 --> 00:47:53,980
I honestly truly do believe that education is

1323
00:47:53,980 --> 00:47:56,465
the answer and it's just how do you

1324
00:47:56,465 --> 00:47:59,170
accomplish that with so many people? Yeah. And

1325
00:47:59,170 --> 00:48:00,840
how do you reach all these people to

1326
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:02,845
accomplish it when there's people out there that

1327
00:48:02,845 --> 00:48:04,916
don't wanna be educated. Yeah. Don't wanna know

1328
00:48:04,916 --> 00:48:06,747
the right way to do it. And don't

1329
00:48:06,747 --> 00:48:07,247
believe

1330
00:48:07,623 --> 00:48:08,817
that that is how it should be done.

1331
00:48:08,977 --> 00:48:10,251
Yeah. Just like,

1332
00:48:10,902 --> 00:48:12,808
white flowers on the Rub con. Mh. Like,

1333
00:48:13,046 --> 00:48:14,579
how do you stop people

1334
00:48:15,032 --> 00:48:17,676
from doing... Give them infrastructure? Yeah. Give them

1335
00:48:17,732 --> 00:48:19,797
infrastructure, Give them knowledge. Give.

1336
00:48:20,609 --> 00:48:23,725
Have an entire campaign against it. Mh. And

1337
00:48:23,725 --> 00:48:26,282
educate. Yep. So I don't know It's a

1338
00:48:26,282 --> 00:48:28,534
another awesome topic. Thank you, Tom for calling

1339
00:48:28,534 --> 00:48:30,846
in and bringing it up and chatting about

1340
00:48:30,846 --> 00:48:32,760
it because it's a... I think it's 1

1341
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,508
that there's definitely arguments. There's super valid arguments

1342
00:48:36,508 --> 00:48:37,226
on both sides.

1343
00:48:37,878 --> 00:48:39,546
And, like, I agree. I... You know, if

1344
00:48:39,625 --> 00:48:41,532
I go hiking off somewhere. And, yeah. I

1345
00:48:41,532 --> 00:48:42,905
like my hikes, but

1346
00:48:43,358 --> 00:48:43,914
I also...

1347
00:48:44,629 --> 00:48:46,058
I don't know when... If I if my

1348
00:48:46,058 --> 00:48:48,222
hike in my experience gets disrupted.

1349
00:48:49,019 --> 00:48:50,934
I'm not gonna feel cost by it. I'm

1350
00:48:50,934 --> 00:48:52,688
just gonna be like, yeah, people suck. Alright?

1351
00:48:52,848 --> 00:48:55,400
And whatever. Let's let's take this experience down

1352
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,155
try and educate people based on this experience.

1353
00:48:57,649 --> 00:48:59,827
Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. I think that

1354
00:49:00,206 --> 00:49:02,124
I think in regards to the trail closures,

1355
00:49:02,364 --> 00:49:04,841
I'm just, like, why? That's my only question.

1356
00:49:05,001 --> 00:49:06,040
Why close it. Like,

1357
00:49:06,775 --> 00:49:09,894
Why take it away. Yeah what why? Mh.

1358
00:49:10,855 --> 00:49:11,655
Those are my final words.

1359
00:49:12,934 --> 00:49:14,295
I like it. Alright. This has been a

1360
00:49:14,295 --> 00:49:14,795
longer

1361
00:49:15,107 --> 00:49:17,167
voice episode. Thank you, Tom for making that

1362
00:49:17,167 --> 00:49:18,434
happen. It's a lot of fun. It brings

1363
00:49:18,434 --> 00:49:20,732
up some really good stuff, good conversations for,

1364
00:49:21,128 --> 00:49:23,214
people to chat about and hopefully, it stir

1365
00:49:23,214 --> 00:49:24,494
up some chats with you guys and your

1366
00:49:24,494 --> 00:49:26,414
friends out there. Yeah. I think that's about

1367
00:49:26,414 --> 00:49:28,094
it. So I guess without anything else.

1368
00:49:28,894 --> 00:49:30,582
Keep crawling. Yeah. Who's?

1369
00:49:32,248 --> 00:49:34,310
The number you have called has been disconnected.