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Welcome 1. Welcome models Now trail h by

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4. Podcast guess. If you like going our

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operating Toyota wrench on camping foods.

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And maybe poking a little bit of fun

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at Toyota, and of course, hearing about how

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fantastic Renter is in Toyota,

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then this is the podcast for you. That's

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right. Ladies drink. My name is Tyler. Joining

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me for another episode. Here on Snail trail

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4 4 podcast is the 1 in all

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they mister Jimmy Jet.

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How are you, Buddy? I am doing well.

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Thank you very much. You are welcome very

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much.

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Sweet. Almost very much. Yeah. Welcome almost much.

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Almost much. Yeah. Okay. Which is

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an extended amount. Yeah. Okay. Sure.

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I'll go with it. All whatever is.

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Welcome everybody. We've got a fun episode for

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you guys today. Before we jump over to

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the our main fire discussion though. We have

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not a lot of housekeeping today. No It's

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awesome. What did it all most of it

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all last Thursday. Yeah. I'm kind of I

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What do we have 1 giveaway?

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The monthly giveaway and the reviews? Yeah. Okay.

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That's it. Ready to can move on? Yep.

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That's it. We're gonna...

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Talk to us a little bit more about

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Ultimate 9.

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Yeah. Ultimate 9. We talked a little bit

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about it in the last episode. Mh.

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Australian company, they make a lot of stuff

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for vehicle

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Ec stuff, vehicle management stuff, So they make

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a throttle controllers. They make, battery

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sensors, so you can monitors, battery monitors. Okay.

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They make Ob 2 readers.

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Kinda scan gauge? Oh, yeah. They make...

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readers, actual readers that are like, they'll read

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codes off of your Ec and not just

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give you real life data, but then also

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tell you what that code could be, and

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know all that stuff that you that kind

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of stuff. So they do a lot of

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lot of things for vehicle

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Ec management stuff. And they're on a australian

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company, though. So they're they're big in Australia.

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selection and wide availability

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states at all. Yeah. And it's really difficult

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to get their products in the states.

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Because there are couple of sales channels here

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in the states, have not done a good

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and ultimate 9 has been a very disappointed

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the activity that their sales channels have done

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here. The distributors in the states have done.

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So we talked with them, and we've been

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talking with them for a while, pretty much

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since Oz went on the Rub trail with

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of the head guys from Ultimate 9 was

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on that trip. Oh, cool. So they were

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talking about throttle controllers and

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me about auto controllers. I was like, yeah,

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I know about auto control them. They're they're

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decent. They're they're a fun idea, but, like,

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thing. Sure. And so he kept bugging me

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you know, I don't think it's what's the

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right market for it. And I don't I

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not wanting to get into it because I

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didn't see the all lure to them. You're

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being naive. Yeah. I was being naive. And

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fine. Let's sit down with the guys from

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Ultimate 9. They could tell me about their

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products.

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framed it in a way of off road.

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And what throttle controllers can do for off

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road. Got it. Okay. And that's when it

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clicked. Sure. I was like,

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4 runner now to do a drive by

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wire engine, so I can have a throttle

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controller in the 4 runner. Wow.

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on auto controllers for operators. Dang. Okay. So

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they didn't make any 3 4 swap

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drive by wire. I think they did, like,

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maybe have electronic throttle, but I don't know

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for sure. Yeah. Or if it's even swap

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able. Yeah. I might just have to put

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Man. So anyways, it's it... Throttle control for

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off road are actually very very handy.

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A auto controller on the jail. He's been

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running the E for a few months now.

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snow wheel. Right? Because snow wheel has all

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sorts of different types of traction.

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tires to respond quick and you need

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to get them going fast so that you

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can build momentum.

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wanna slip your tires at all.

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start digging a hole and create little ice

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slick underneath your

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the hole. So there's a lot of different

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scenarios even within 1 trip where you could...

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We're having something to control your throttle input.

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throttle controllers and all the features that 9

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has, there's more features in it than any

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of the throttle control on the market

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at a better price point. Okay? Than the

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other throttle controls in the market. There's only

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really 2 in the United States.

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throttle controller.

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for me. Like, they they were freely first

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to the scene first to really make the

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market popular

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wanna say first to market, but they were

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first to make the market popular.

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everybody, a lot of people who have

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auto controllers have pedal commanders.

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3 to 5 settings. Yeah. I don't know,

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pedal commander. Yeah. I think maybe they went

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up to or something Something like recently Yeah.

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better the technology and better their product. They're

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just they're relying on the brand name to

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make all their sales, which is in my

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opinion, all that Ja has been doing.

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The there's been leaps and bounds made in

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Lithium ion technology since Ja came on the

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and they just haven't really been implementing a

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lot of that at all. They've just been

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relying on the name. Okay. Whereas, like, other

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companies like Wagon tech, Blue eddie. They're doing

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portable lithium battery stuff, and Ja is falling

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way behind, but they keep making a ton

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of sales because of Ja. Right. So that's

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kinda of the same story pedal commander might

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And so, ultimate 9, I love...

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the packaging of it. It's super tiny. Super

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tiny. You can put it anywhere, and it

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doesn't... It doesn't... It's not gonna take up

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space on your dash. It's not going to

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get in the way,

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my... 1 of my issues with banks was

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that they didn't really have

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a touch me thing

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to change the settings on the throttle controller.

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your phone. Yeah

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dash Or the I dash. You had to

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have an I dash if you wanted a

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touchy interface. Yes. Whereas ultimate 9,

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comes with a touchy interface that's super small,

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really slick slim lined very simple easy to

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use interface, or there is a Bluetooth app

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on the E x. The extra 1 as

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well. That has even more features on it.

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So it's really cool. I'm really happy with

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what Ultimate 9 is doing in that space.

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United States, and I don't think there's really

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anybody going after the off road market. Sure.

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So I'm hoping that more foot can help

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fill that niche and do some cool stuff

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with ultimate 9 here in the states. Nice.

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So that's... This month's giveaway is an E

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cx x

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throttle controller from Ultimate 9, and it's a

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user's choice. Right? So it'll we'll get 1

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that matches the vehicle you have.

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So okay. Yeah. And if you guys have

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any other questions on throttle controllers, reach out

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to us set more or old the guys

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at at 9, the customer service department. They

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are Australian, so keep that in mind if

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you call.

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You want do the evening time here in

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the states to catch them in the morning

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the next day.

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But there... That's some pretty cool stuff that

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you can do with throttle controllers, and

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it took me sitting down talking with the

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guy's ultimate 9, the developers.

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Of the technology to be like, oh, yeah.

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This is actually really cool stuff. Yeah.

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Well, yeah. That's cool. I'm excited to be

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able to hopefully test 1 of those in

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the near future, Mh. And be able to

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give a report as well about my experiences,

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and

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whoever wins 1 of them can

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phone in to our snail mail episodes and

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give us their feedback as well. Yeah. For

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sure be a lot of fun. Let's say,

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we also have our annual or continuous

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giveaway that's going on with our reviews. Mh.

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We did have

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Let's see. It was 19 86 Toyota 4

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by 4 pickup. Mh. Has

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responded and gotten back to us and we

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have a winner for that 1. So that's

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exciting. Thank you, Lance for getting in contact

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with us. And

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we have another giveaway going on for 700

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reviews. Mh. Which includes the elite

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membership from On Off road and swag pack

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from Snail trail 4 by 4 and maybe

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some stuff from More as well.

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And then when we reach 750

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reviews, we are giving away a set of

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Yokohama tires. Sweet.

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I like it. Yeah. And since I didn't

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to win the Mag drill, does that mean?

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I automatically win the tires?

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No. I need the tires.

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Okay. You said I could win the tires.

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If I won the Mag drill?

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I don't remember that was in the rules.

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I definitely remember. It was it was definitely,

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like, hold on bold lettering The rules. Hold

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on. Just throwing your pin at me. What

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are you doing?

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Nope. Was not in the rules. Dang it.

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Hey. When Jimmy cares the rules with him.

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I know. I got the rule book right

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here.

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That I actually, the front of that book

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says Jimmy diary.

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Does it? Yeah. Yeah. Don't read it. Don't

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read it, but it's not locked or anything.

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Something

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you can you can

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attempt to to my chicken scratch. Perfect.

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Man.

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Yeah. So some cool stuff going on only

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2 kinda of major giveaways this month. So

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the ultimate 9 stuff and then the reviews

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is always ongoing. So Everybody go check those

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out. You can get in for the monthly

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giveaway. Ira rate 4 by 4 and their

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reviews just leave a review on Apple podcasts.

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It has to be on there cannot be

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modify those will not count towards.

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That's a giveaway for the acc tires.

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But yeah, let us know if you guys

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have any questions on that. And hopefully,

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you're been around the podcast long enough, You

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kinda understand the processes that we use. If

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not, and you're brand new to the podcast,

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reach out, and we'll let you know. Absolutely.

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Yep. We are also working with Walter still.

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They have a giveaway going on until

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November on their end.

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Where if you snap a photo of you

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and some Walter product in your local welding

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stores or and or a purchase, I believe

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I'm not

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We need to clarify those rules a little

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bit more, maybe. If you send that information

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into the Qr code on the product from

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Walter,

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then you'll will be entered to win a

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20 24 2 lease... Or, 2 year lease

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of a f 01:50 trevor.

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Mh. So that it is pretty rad. They're

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doing monthly giveaways up until the November, I

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think is when they're doing the massive the

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major giveaway.

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And then in conjunction with that, we're doing

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a giveaway. Also for the same rules that

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Walter doing on Sn trail 4 by for

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and our contest continues until August. So you

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have until August to send in any photos

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or receipts of Walter products or any of

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their other brands, and we will keep a

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tally of everybody that's entered, and then we

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have another giveaway for you guys there. Mh.

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Yep.

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So some cool stuff going on for a

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little bit longer here after 2 month, with

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Walter Surface technology technologies. So Thank you to

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Walter for coming to put some fun stuff.

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Jimmy,

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I do have a secret.

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Okay?

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Ready. I can't tell you though. Yeah. It's

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tyler.

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What is that? Is this piece of mail

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that came in the secret? Oh, it is

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not, but we can talk about this. Oh,

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I wanted to talk about it on Thursday,

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but, Thursday's episode went long We did a

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lot of stuff. So I did wanna talk

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about this though. Okay. If we're pointing that

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out. No. It is not the secret. Oh,

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and I still cannot tell the secret.

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But it's the same secret that I've been

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teasing about. Okay. But this isn't it. This

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is not it. Okay. What is this? This

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here is a cool letter from blue Ribbon

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coalition. Okay?

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Doing god's work out here for us. So

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Blue Ribbon Coalition, if you guys are not

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familiar, we're big supporters as a blue room

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collision coalition here on the podcast. They do

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a lot of work

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fighting

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litigation,

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specifically,

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litigation and lost stuff

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to help keep our trails open, nationwide.

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So they put out kind of a newsletter.

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Okay. In snail mail. What? Yeah. Oh, you

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mean actual mail. Actual, like, paper mail. Yeah.

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Rather than an email. Right? Yeah. So I

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thought it was kinda cool because it it

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has some great pictures of the areas. That

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they're talking about here and some of the

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big wins

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that they've made,

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just in like, the all these things, I

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think all concluded this year. Wow. So they've

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been extremely busy.

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And I know that their donations, their ben

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have really stepped up in donating money to

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Blue urban Coalition. And this is proof

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that

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money in the hands of blue ribbon coalition

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does some pretty awesome stuff. Awesome. Alright. So

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you're gonna read a few of them. I'm

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gonna give you highlights. Okay. Some of them.

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The first 1 here we've talked about is

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the third 1865.

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That's 1365

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miles of trails saved

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in Grand view Idaho. Yes.

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Accept that 1. Mh. That was really the

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big 1. That was, like, eye opening

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that should tell every single

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outdoor recreational list

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that if we band together, we can put

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a stop to 30 by 30.

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We can put a stop to this locking

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up of lands for quote unquote wilderness lands.

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So that essentially was happening. The process in

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Grand view Idaho was the same exact process

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the B

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was trying to do that they did in

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Gemini bridges

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in Moa.

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And so the same process that's going on

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in the San swell right now. Okay? And

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so the the process was opened up they

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gave a couple... I think it was, like,

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Abc BCD

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options for travel management plans,

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and how many miles of routes that they

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were gonna be eliminating

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based on each plan. Right. And which miles

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they were which routes they were, etcetera. And

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blue Ribbon coalition put out a call to

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the people the off road recreational, outdoor recreational

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saying,

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this is bullshit.

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We should not be losing these lands. There's

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no reason for them to be closing these

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routes

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other than

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a 30 by 30 agenda kind of thing.

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Otherwise, there's no good reason to be closing

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these These are all used. People still use

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them all There's no re... The the, like,

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there's no reason to be doing this. Okay.

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And the public came out in force during

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the public comment period.

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And

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since the public comment period, the B in

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Grand view Idaho

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went back on all the options, the travel

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management options, and their redo the travel management

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options again

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now

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to come up with

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something else.

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Than what they offered. Right? Sure. So that's

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that's the big, big win in my opinion,

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that proves

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to the industry that if we come together

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as

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a group of people that use and enjoy

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the outdoors,

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we can do a lot

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politically.

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Absolutely. So we just have to unite and

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come together. We have to unite. We gotta

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stop being,

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and we gotta step up and start taking

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action. Yes. So that's that 1.

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This 1. The next 1 is the West

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Act. Oh,

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so the West Act passed the house of

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representatives.

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Which is pretty cool. So what the West

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Act is we've talked a little bit about

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this now. We haven't really talked about the

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West Act itself, but we've talked about what

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it's fighting. Okay. And it is fighting

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a rule

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that in April,

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the B

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announced the lease of the final rule that

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would allow for the creation of conservation leases.

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Alright. Yes. So this is the the call

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conservation lease thing that allows the B to

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sell off

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public lands to private entities for any reason

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really,

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to have long term leases on it. Right.

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So in theory,

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environmental groups that have a lot of money

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and a lot of backing, like Su,

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Yes. Could come in buy

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huge chunks of B land and lock it

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off to everybody. Yes. So nobody would get

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access to. Nope. Yep. Nobody would get access

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to it. Also, the big concern here is

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for large corporations, whatever it might be. Mh.

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Could buy all these extra land, and then

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they could write it off as, like, they're

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more green friendly because trade program. Yeah cap.

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Mh. You know, or whatever the, like, you

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know,

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However, the

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companies write it off so that they have

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bit more green effect on the planet. Yep.

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And

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they lock up the land and don't allow

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anybody to go on it because now it's

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their private land. Because now it's their private

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land. They don't want the liability of people

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getting injured on their land. Absolutely. So

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stupid also. Yes. Exactly.

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So that was... That that B

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rule

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was getting fought through an act called the

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West Act. Okay. And the West Act was

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introduced by representative John Curtis,

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and it passed through the house representatives with

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flying colors.

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Wow. Yeah.

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Okay. So,

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blue ribbon coalition, I believe was working with

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John Curtis to help make the language for

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this and bring it to his attention and

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be like, this is going on. We can't

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let this happen. And John Curtis was the

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a representative that backed everything and instead up

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and is making it all happen now. Okay.

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So it's through the house representatives, and it's

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going through Congress and work its way into

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the senate now. Wow. So if the West

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Act passes,

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then,

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the B will be locked out of doing

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privatized

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leases

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to private entities. Okay. Using public plans. Good.

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So anybody who's out there Gov visit the

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blue ribbon C coalition website, look search for

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the West Act,

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and they will have a way for you

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to message your senators in your state.

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Saying specifically, please vote for the West act

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support the West act. So I actually did

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this. Okay. And I got a reply from

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1 of the senators in California. Oh, saying

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thank you so much for caring about our

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outdoor lands. We are doing our best to

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make sure that we can preserve 30 percent

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of the lands by 20 30.

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From human

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destruction or whatever. And I was like, no.

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No. You don't... That you totally misunderstood the

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point of my letter. Yes. Did you write

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him back. I did. I was like I

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don't think you understood my letter. I think

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you should go back and read it. I

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think 30 by 30 is a a stupid

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rule. I think it needs to be bypassed,

538
00:19:45,079 --> 00:19:46,919
locking up lands is not maintenance.

539
00:19:47,399 --> 00:19:49,640
It is not managing, and all you're doing

540
00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,399
is making it so that people have fewer

541
00:19:51,399 --> 00:19:53,489
plates is to go, which then destroys other

542
00:19:53,489 --> 00:19:54,706
places due to dense

543
00:19:55,403 --> 00:19:58,035
population. Travel. Right. As I it's not sustainable,

544
00:19:58,354 --> 00:20:00,826
Closure is not management. Closure is not an

545
00:20:00,826 --> 00:20:02,357
answer. This we need to be able to

546
00:20:02,357 --> 00:20:04,192
manage our man's our lands properly,

547
00:20:04,671 --> 00:20:06,986
not just lock them up from everybody. And

548
00:20:07,225 --> 00:20:08,262
I never got to reply back from that

549
00:20:08,262 --> 00:20:09,434
1. So

550
00:20:10,673 --> 00:20:12,351
Anyways, support the West Act. 1 of the

551
00:20:12,351 --> 00:20:13,630
cool things that Blue ribbon collision doing.

552
00:20:14,429 --> 00:20:15,068
Looking ahead,

553
00:20:15,707 --> 00:20:17,625
Blue ribbon is fighting and they got an

554
00:20:17,625 --> 00:20:19,413
injunction. A court injunction

555
00:20:19,865 --> 00:20:22,006
on the rule that states,

556
00:20:22,878 --> 00:20:25,653
anybody taking a picture or video,

557
00:20:26,384 --> 00:20:28,938
on national forest land, or I think B

558
00:20:28,938 --> 00:20:30,055
land too. I don't remember if it was

559
00:20:30,135 --> 00:20:32,290
B included, but definitely national Forest. Yeah.

560
00:20:33,247 --> 00:20:34,466
Us forest service land

561
00:20:34,778 --> 00:20:36,392
you would have to get a permit

562
00:20:37,006 --> 00:20:39,074
from the forest service to take a picture

563
00:20:39,074 --> 00:20:41,461
or a video. I know. That's ridiculous.

564
00:20:41,953 --> 00:20:43,862
I think it was BM2 because now I'm

565
00:20:43,862 --> 00:20:46,010
thinking about it, 1 of the the reports

566
00:20:46,010 --> 00:20:48,578
that Blue ribbon was reporting on was

567
00:20:49,048 --> 00:20:51,196
there was a video being done by Kevin

568
00:20:51,356 --> 00:20:51,753
Cost.

569
00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:54,777
Oh, recently, being shot out in Utah,

570
00:20:55,493 --> 00:20:57,824
and he went through all the permit processing,

571
00:20:58,214 --> 00:21:01,396
for for video production. Right? And he went

572
00:21:01,396 --> 00:21:02,907
through all. He spent a lot of time

573
00:21:02,907 --> 00:21:04,737
a lot of money. He had to have

574
00:21:04,737 --> 00:21:07,305
extras staff on set to make sure that

575
00:21:07,305 --> 00:21:09,540
the lands were put back the way they

576
00:21:09,540 --> 00:21:11,376
should be. That nothing was being destroyed in

577
00:21:11,376 --> 00:21:12,813
the first place. I'm sure you had a

578
00:21:12,813 --> 00:21:15,404
couple oncologists on staff. Yeah. And

579
00:21:15,704 --> 00:21:16,605
did everything

580
00:21:17,065 --> 00:21:19,224
within his power to make sure that everything

581
00:21:19,224 --> 00:21:21,865
was done properly, and he messed up some

582
00:21:21,865 --> 00:21:22,365
paperwork.

583
00:21:23,239 --> 00:21:26,350
And they find him based on this new

584
00:21:26,350 --> 00:21:28,824
law that you are not allowed to take

585
00:21:28,824 --> 00:21:30,121
videos and images

586
00:21:30,434 --> 00:21:33,332
in public lands anymore without paying

587
00:21:33,791 --> 00:21:36,587
the land managers for it. That's crazy. So

588
00:21:36,587 --> 00:21:38,905
he paid thousands if not hundreds of thousand

589
00:21:38,905 --> 00:21:39,225
dollars,

590
00:21:39,797 --> 00:21:41,781
definitely hundreds of thousands when you take into

591
00:21:41,781 --> 00:21:43,211
account the stat... Extra staff you had to

592
00:21:43,211 --> 00:21:44,798
have on for the movie to shoot. Right.

593
00:21:44,957 --> 00:21:47,021
And, Kevin Ko put out a public comment,

594
00:21:47,259 --> 00:21:49,898
something along the lines of it's really unfortunate

595
00:21:49,898 --> 00:21:52,526
that this happened. And because this is happening,

596
00:21:53,004 --> 00:21:56,530
I guarantee you fewer and fewer movie producers

597
00:21:56,667 --> 00:21:57,167
and

598
00:21:57,716 --> 00:22:00,098
movie movies in general are gonna come to

599
00:22:00,337 --> 00:22:00,837
Utah

600
00:22:01,210 --> 00:22:03,513
to shoot movies in Utah. So is that

601
00:22:03,513 --> 00:22:05,339
rule oli in Utah right now? No. It's

602
00:22:05,339 --> 00:22:07,903
it's national land. Okay. It's National Public land.

603
00:22:08,063 --> 00:22:09,980
And so there's a, a court has filed

604
00:22:09,980 --> 00:22:11,578
an injunction now to put a stop to

605
00:22:11,578 --> 00:22:12,297
that for now,

606
00:22:13,016 --> 00:22:16,220
and they're gonna be reviewing to see if

607
00:22:16,220 --> 00:22:18,131
they actually can do that legally.

608
00:22:18,768 --> 00:22:21,078
And, blue ribbon is bringing that to attention

609
00:22:21,078 --> 00:22:22,352
of a lot of people right now. Yeah.

610
00:22:23,163 --> 00:22:24,996
I mean, that hits home as a Youtuber.

611
00:22:25,554 --> 00:22:27,784
Absolutely. That... Like, wait. So I can't go

612
00:22:27,784 --> 00:22:29,958
out into nature and make a video

613
00:22:30,428 --> 00:22:33,369
at all. Mh. Without having to pay the

614
00:22:33,369 --> 00:22:34,505
fines or

615
00:22:34,879 --> 00:22:37,025
file the proper paperwork and pay whatever they

616
00:22:37,025 --> 00:22:38,694
want me to pay to file the paperwork.

617
00:22:38,933 --> 00:22:42,376
Mh. Which is just... Like, it's stupid. I

618
00:22:42,376 --> 00:22:44,290
mean, it's a money grab. It's all it

619
00:22:44,290 --> 00:22:46,683
is. Yeah money grab, and using public lands

620
00:22:46,683 --> 00:22:47,720
to do a money grab, and I'm like,

621
00:22:47,799 --> 00:22:48,996
that's not the point of public lands you

622
00:22:48,996 --> 00:22:50,840
guys. Yeah. That's not what we should be

623
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,167
using these for. Yeah. If you need

624
00:22:53,540 --> 00:22:56,242
funds to manage the lands properly. You need

625
00:22:56,242 --> 00:22:57,671
more funding to manage them properly.

626
00:22:58,163 --> 00:22:59,672
Then we need to be talking to Congress

627
00:22:59,672 --> 00:23:00,228
about that,

628
00:23:01,102 --> 00:23:03,746
not implementing new rules to

629
00:23:04,596 --> 00:23:06,502
really make life difficult on the users of

630
00:23:06,502 --> 00:23:07,297
those lands? Yes.

631
00:23:08,184 --> 00:23:10,561
I... However, I think that they're just implementing

632
00:23:10,561 --> 00:23:12,462
new rules to make it less likely for

633
00:23:12,462 --> 00:23:14,815
people to go to public lands. Therefore, if

634
00:23:15,013 --> 00:23:16,526
people are going to public lands because it's

635
00:23:16,526 --> 00:23:17,640
a pain in the ass to do so

636
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:18,595
because you have to get permits and all

637
00:23:18,595 --> 00:23:21,005
these other things all the time, then if

638
00:23:21,062 --> 00:23:22,972
people aren't using the lands anymore than they

639
00:23:22,972 --> 00:23:24,245
shut off the lands. They're like, oh, I

640
00:23:24,245 --> 00:23:25,615
guess, one's using this anymore, we'll shut this

641
00:23:25,615 --> 00:23:27,926
area down, and that goes into 30 by

642
00:23:27,926 --> 00:23:30,636
30. Yeah. So... Which is a bad thing.

643
00:23:31,194 --> 00:23:33,760
Also. Mh. It's just it's negative on negative

644
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,074
for sure. Yeah. Great. And that's not a

645
00:23:36,074 --> 00:23:37,509
positive. No. Yeah.

646
00:23:38,227 --> 00:23:40,163
And so they're doing the

647
00:23:40,540 --> 00:23:42,946
legal challenge to the moa trail closures. In

648
00:23:42,946 --> 00:23:43,446
the

649
00:23:44,060 --> 00:23:45,253
Gemini bridges area, and the...

650
00:23:46,287 --> 00:23:48,672
Was a Gemini bridges and labyrinth rim. Yes.

651
00:23:49,308 --> 00:23:51,234
So they're challenging that, on, that's going through

652
00:23:51,234 --> 00:23:53,315
courts right now and doing administrative review on

653
00:23:53,315 --> 00:23:55,555
it. The film permit challenge, which you just

654
00:23:55,555 --> 00:23:57,955
talked about. The national monument legal challenge,

655
00:23:58,529 --> 00:24:00,842
So they're challenging the abuse of the Anti

656
00:24:01,002 --> 00:24:03,815
Act right now. And the anti Act was

657
00:24:04,112 --> 00:24:07,063
the ability to set up national monument lands

658
00:24:07,063 --> 00:24:08,041
based on

659
00:24:08,671 --> 00:24:12,403
areas of significant importance to historic history and

660
00:24:12,403 --> 00:24:15,580
historical value. Sure. And so they're concerned that

661
00:24:15,580 --> 00:24:17,589
their people are just going to

662
00:24:17,979 --> 00:24:20,846
randomly set up a historical monument to lock

663
00:24:20,846 --> 00:24:23,236
the land down. Yep. Because that's what's happening?

664
00:24:23,475 --> 00:24:23,635
Yeah.

665
00:24:24,431 --> 00:24:26,741
So they're abusing the anti act in order

666
00:24:26,741 --> 00:24:28,054
to lock down land

667
00:24:28,671 --> 00:24:30,746
in order to achieve 30 by 30. And

668
00:24:30,746 --> 00:24:32,661
so they're they're now in the tenth circuit

669
00:24:32,661 --> 00:24:34,816
court of appeals on that legal challenge right

670
00:24:34,816 --> 00:24:37,244
now. There's... Let's see There's

671
00:24:38,019 --> 00:24:40,727
feedback on travel management plans, affecting recreation in

672
00:24:40,727 --> 00:24:42,162
new Mexico that they're fighting right now.

673
00:24:42,974 --> 00:24:45,851
Comments about endangered species in the Rocky Mountains

674
00:24:45,851 --> 00:24:46,970
and greater sage g,

675
00:24:47,769 --> 00:24:50,087
affecting millions of acres of public land, might

676
00:24:50,087 --> 00:24:52,005
be shutting that due to some endangered species

677
00:24:52,005 --> 00:24:52,165
stuff.

678
00:24:52,818 --> 00:24:54,798
And then bounce sounds like this snowy p.

679
00:24:55,115 --> 00:24:58,285
Yeah. Yep. Exactly. That's that same strategy being

680
00:24:58,285 --> 00:25:00,441
played out in the Rockies right now. So

681
00:25:00,441 --> 00:25:02,587
the operation accessible, and this is a big

682
00:25:02,587 --> 00:25:05,846
1 that really impacts motorized recreation. Okay.

683
00:25:06,641 --> 00:25:08,788
That blue ribbon has started spear heading right

684
00:25:08,788 --> 00:25:08,947
now.

685
00:25:09,598 --> 00:25:10,657
And it is

686
00:25:11,273 --> 00:25:14,462
bringing to light that walking down public lands

687
00:25:14,462 --> 00:25:16,716
so that you cannot visit the lands.

688
00:25:18,384 --> 00:25:18,884
Is

689
00:25:19,664 --> 00:25:20,164
extremely

690
00:25:21,025 --> 00:25:21,525
extremely

691
00:25:22,625 --> 00:25:24,544
biased. What's the right word for? I was

692
00:25:24,544 --> 00:25:26,484
trying to think of it. Prejudice Prejudice,

693
00:25:27,105 --> 00:25:30,457
against people with disabilities. Yeah. Like, there's a

694
00:25:30,457 --> 00:25:33,316
ton of people and a trail hero did

695
00:25:33,316 --> 00:25:34,769
an amazing video

696
00:25:35,143 --> 00:25:37,623
explaining why trail hero was started in the

697
00:25:37,623 --> 00:25:39,618
first. Why that hero why that event was

698
00:25:39,618 --> 00:25:40,336
started in the first place?

699
00:25:41,214 --> 00:25:42,890
Because there's a lot of people coming back

700
00:25:42,890 --> 00:25:43,709
as veterans

701
00:25:44,566 --> 00:25:45,066
that

702
00:25:45,537 --> 00:25:47,762
they need their vehicles for 1 way or

703
00:25:47,762 --> 00:25:51,362
another, either mental Ptsd reasons, whether it's physical

704
00:25:51,418 --> 00:25:53,802
reasons, they need their vehicles in order to

705
00:25:53,802 --> 00:25:55,730
go out and enjoying rec recreate in the

706
00:25:55,730 --> 00:25:58,383
wilderness. And enjoying and recreating

707
00:25:58,841 --> 00:25:59,341
in

708
00:26:00,037 --> 00:26:00,537
outdoors

709
00:26:00,994 --> 00:26:03,945
definitely has a positive impact on mental health.

710
00:26:04,358 --> 00:26:06,658
Yeah. Mental to health and physical health. And

711
00:26:06,658 --> 00:26:09,196
by locking up lands, closing down routes, closing

712
00:26:09,196 --> 00:26:10,624
down access to areas,

713
00:26:11,179 --> 00:26:11,997
we are

714
00:26:12,782 --> 00:26:15,484
telling disability, disabled people that we don't give

715
00:26:15,484 --> 00:26:16,461
a fuck about

716
00:26:16,835 --> 00:26:20,015
what they want to do with their recreation.

717
00:26:20,650 --> 00:26:21,468
And so

718
00:26:21,858 --> 00:26:24,162
they are... Their... Their blue is making a

719
00:26:24,162 --> 00:26:25,457
huge push right now

720
00:26:25,831 --> 00:26:26,331
to

721
00:26:26,705 --> 00:26:30,543
try and create a legal act, legal action

722
00:26:30,853 --> 00:26:31,831
that protects

723
00:26:32,208 --> 00:26:34,359
access v access to public lands,

724
00:26:35,156 --> 00:26:37,705
thanks to the American Disabilities Act Ada. Yeah.

725
00:26:38,039 --> 00:26:39,720
Well, it makes complete sense. I mean, if

726
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,880
you have somebody that's wheelchair bound,

727
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,039
they obviously can't get out into nature without

728
00:26:46,039 --> 00:26:48,766
some sort of vehicle. Yeah. Right? And unless

729
00:26:48,766 --> 00:26:50,458
they have some crazy

730
00:26:51,388 --> 00:26:54,749
off road wheelchair Yeah. That is make

731
00:26:55,058 --> 00:26:57,436
Well, does even mechanical doesn't even count. Right?

732
00:26:57,674 --> 00:27:00,052
You have... I don't even think... I think

733
00:27:00,607 --> 00:27:03,637
like a a motorized wheelchair? Would fall under

734
00:27:03,637 --> 00:27:05,702
motorized recreation? Yeah. But what about a bicycle?

735
00:27:06,417 --> 00:27:08,506
It a bicycle fall under, not motorized

736
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,726
recreation, but let's I thought there was a

737
00:27:10,726 --> 00:27:12,959
mechanical aspect to it that, like, not even

738
00:27:12,959 --> 00:27:16,466
mechanical mechanical action of tires on soil or

739
00:27:16,466 --> 00:27:18,873
or or chain or something. So, like, you

740
00:27:18,873 --> 00:27:20,389
know, I'm just... I'm trying to make a

741
00:27:20,389 --> 00:27:22,223
leap here. Right? Obviously, I'm trying to say,

742
00:27:22,383 --> 00:27:25,493
like, you have to have a crazy apparatus

743
00:27:25,493 --> 00:27:26,929
to be able to get somebody that is,

744
00:27:27,008 --> 00:27:27,907
like, a para

745
00:27:28,379 --> 00:27:30,210
Mh out into nature, where they wanna go.

746
00:27:30,448 --> 00:27:30,767
Mh.

747
00:27:31,324 --> 00:27:34,667
And by making the limitation of you can't

748
00:27:34,667 --> 00:27:36,895
take your vehicle out there is really restricting

749
00:27:36,895 --> 00:27:39,062
the access for these people. Yep. 100 percent.

750
00:27:39,222 --> 00:27:41,298
And so you and I have ran into...

751
00:27:41,617 --> 00:27:43,453
We... Every year, it seems like we run

752
00:27:43,453 --> 00:27:45,529
into a couple of different para groups that

753
00:27:45,529 --> 00:27:47,206
are coming down the Rub on trail. Absolutely.

754
00:27:47,365 --> 00:27:49,053
And they have vehicle set up so I

755
00:27:49,053 --> 00:27:51,121
can completely drive it just with using their

756
00:27:51,121 --> 00:27:53,428
hands. Yeah. Which is not. It's so cool.

757
00:27:53,746 --> 00:27:57,024
Yeah. I I'm struggling just hold on to

758
00:27:57,024 --> 00:27:58,695
the steering wheel at times that that they

759
00:27:58,695 --> 00:28:01,163
can shift and steer, and yeah. Use... Yeah.

760
00:28:01,561 --> 00:28:03,727
It's it's crazy and it's Awesome. It is

761
00:28:03,727 --> 00:28:05,323
pretty cool to see them out there and

762
00:28:05,323 --> 00:28:07,738
seeing how much of fun and enjoyment

763
00:28:08,276 --> 00:28:09,951
that they are getting and how much it

764
00:28:09,951 --> 00:28:12,284
just bright their moods because they can get

765
00:28:12,284 --> 00:28:13,984
out on Rub Trail being para.

766
00:28:14,684 --> 00:28:17,244
It's so cool. And and by locking off

767
00:28:17,244 --> 00:28:18,444
access to lands like this.

768
00:28:19,660 --> 00:28:22,779
You're you're closing off access to those people

769
00:28:22,779 --> 00:28:23,839
it specifically.

770
00:28:24,539 --> 00:28:27,119
Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely because I still

771
00:28:27,434 --> 00:28:29,906
fortunately, have access of using my legs. Me

772
00:28:29,906 --> 00:28:31,443
too. I can still

773
00:28:31,901 --> 00:28:34,453
backpack or hike out to some places. Mh.

774
00:28:34,772 --> 00:28:36,947
Where now if you lock down

775
00:28:37,339 --> 00:28:37,900
the land.

776
00:28:38,460 --> 00:28:40,940
Take out the the routes, the route. The

777
00:28:40,940 --> 00:28:43,419
vehicle routes that these people now cannot go

778
00:28:43,419 --> 00:28:45,659
out and enjoy the land. Mh. Like everybody

779
00:28:45,659 --> 00:28:46,700
else. Mh. Yep.

780
00:28:47,353 --> 00:28:49,666
So that... That's the next kinda of big

781
00:28:49,666 --> 00:28:51,980
push that they're doing. They're big marketing, quote

782
00:28:51,980 --> 00:28:55,170
unquote marketing campaign. Yeah. Is bringing to light

783
00:28:55,170 --> 00:28:56,787
that all these trail closures

784
00:28:57,417 --> 00:28:58,394
is really

785
00:28:58,928 --> 00:29:00,065
impacting 1

786
00:29:01,076 --> 00:29:02,667
specific class of society.

787
00:29:03,542 --> 00:29:03,781
Yeah.

788
00:29:04,512 --> 00:29:07,058
And it's it's not fair. It's not it's

789
00:29:07,058 --> 00:29:09,605
not it's not the right move. II1

790
00:29:09,605 --> 00:29:11,116
hundred percent agree. Yeah.

791
00:29:11,768 --> 00:29:12,087
I do.

792
00:29:13,043 --> 00:29:15,512
And this might, I don't... I I'm gonna

793
00:29:15,512 --> 00:29:18,061
say this, and I absolutely don't mean to

794
00:29:18,061 --> 00:29:18,938
hurt any feelings.

795
00:29:19,894 --> 00:29:21,585
But I also that it's...

796
00:29:22,305 --> 00:29:22,545
I mean,

797
00:29:23,744 --> 00:29:24,945
I'm gonna say it. I'm gonna get some

798
00:29:24,945 --> 00:29:25,424
backlash.

799
00:29:26,305 --> 00:29:29,505
We're also now, like, we're fighting a 2

800
00:29:29,505 --> 00:29:30,224
percent cause.

801
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,400
Or 1 percent cause. Sure.

802
00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:33,619
For

803
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,519
against a 99 percent majority. Yeah. Right? And

804
00:29:37,519 --> 00:29:38,320
the question is,

805
00:29:39,134 --> 00:29:42,251
is that strong enough? Is that argument strong

806
00:29:42,251 --> 00:29:45,128
enough? This... You're affecting 1 percent of the

807
00:29:45,128 --> 00:29:47,765
people by making this closure? Mh. Where 99

808
00:29:47,765 --> 00:29:49,217
percent of the people still go out there.

809
00:29:49,376 --> 00:29:50,811
Mh. And I'm making a guess on the

810
00:29:50,811 --> 00:29:52,325
percentage. I have no idea. Yeah.

811
00:29:53,043 --> 00:29:55,115
Is that a strong enough argument? That's a

812
00:29:55,115 --> 00:29:57,679
good question. I have no idea. I I

813
00:29:57,679 --> 00:29:59,112
think that I mean it's a good argument.

814
00:29:59,271 --> 00:30:01,339
It's a valid argument. Yes. Is it a

815
00:30:01,339 --> 00:30:03,328
strong enough argument. That's a good question. I

816
00:30:03,328 --> 00:30:05,651
don't know. Yeah. I don't know. Hopefully, it

817
00:30:05,651 --> 00:30:08,198
is combined with everything else. Yeah. Like, I

818
00:30:08,198 --> 00:30:10,188
think it just adds more. It adds to

819
00:30:10,188 --> 00:30:12,417
the argument. That's we should not be at

820
00:30:12,417 --> 00:30:14,661
shutting these down. Yeah. It adds putting fuel

821
00:30:14,661 --> 00:30:17,049
on the fire. Yeah. At 100 percent. Yeah.

822
00:30:17,368 --> 00:30:19,518
It it is it throwing twig or is

823
00:30:19,518 --> 00:30:21,429
it throwing at a around? Yeah You know?

824
00:30:21,667 --> 00:30:24,160
That's that's the the question I have. Like,

825
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:25,759
I'm valid... I think it's a valid fight.

826
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,039
I think it's AAA wonderful argument. Mh. Is

827
00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:30,559
it strong enough to make them think about

828
00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:32,572
it. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know

829
00:30:32,572 --> 00:30:36,328
either. So well, why don't you tell people

830
00:30:36,328 --> 00:30:37,926
what they can do how they can contact

831
00:30:37,926 --> 00:30:40,093
blue ribbon coalition. Let's let's go down that

832
00:30:40,093 --> 00:30:41,864
little small rabbit hole, and then

833
00:30:42,238 --> 00:30:44,304
I don't know. Maybe maybe this is sent

834
00:30:44,304 --> 00:30:45,019
to the episode.

835
00:30:46,053 --> 00:30:48,299
Man, yeah. I don't... It's Blue ribbon and

836
00:30:48,299 --> 00:30:50,235
coalition. There's there's a lot of great

837
00:30:51,410 --> 00:30:54,201
organizations nationwide. Like, I've... We've talked about it

838
00:30:54,201 --> 00:30:55,238
before. 1 of the things that I do

839
00:30:55,238 --> 00:30:56,768
with More flight is if a,

840
00:30:57,566 --> 00:30:59,957
organization a club, off in club whoever comes

841
00:30:59,957 --> 00:31:01,790
to me and asked for raffle prizes? Yes.

842
00:31:02,109 --> 00:31:04,500
I say, okay. Where the proceeds being donated

843
00:31:04,500 --> 00:31:07,468
to? Mh. Usually, it's a veterans hospital, an

844
00:31:07,947 --> 00:31:09,245
C, children's hospital,

845
00:31:09,863 --> 00:31:10,363
veteran

846
00:31:10,820 --> 00:31:13,135
organization, something like that. Yeah. I'm like, awesome.

847
00:31:13,630 --> 00:31:15,950
Cool. Let's get some stuff to those people

848
00:31:15,950 --> 00:31:16,910
as well as some proceeds.

849
00:31:17,309 --> 00:31:18,850
But would you also consider

850
00:31:19,309 --> 00:31:20,529
a non trails

851
00:31:20,830 --> 00:31:23,474
advocacy organization? Because I wanna see funding get

852
00:31:23,474 --> 00:31:25,142
back into our trails in this country. Right.

853
00:31:25,459 --> 00:31:26,889
And a lot of times they're like, Didn't

854
00:31:26,889 --> 00:31:28,398
think about that. Yeah. We can totally do

855
00:31:28,398 --> 00:31:30,066
that. I'm, like, awesome. They're, like, do you

856
00:31:30,066 --> 00:31:31,122
have any ideas

857
00:31:31,829 --> 00:31:35,099
of all organizations. And so I'll find 3

858
00:31:35,099 --> 00:31:36,774
options for them. I'll give them a, kind

859
00:31:36,774 --> 00:31:37,992
of AAA local

860
00:31:38,848 --> 00:31:41,400
option, a regional option and a national option.

861
00:31:42,052 --> 00:31:44,040
Right. And so I always for the national

862
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,426
option I'm recommending blue ribbon coalition, and I

863
00:31:46,426 --> 00:31:49,290
always give the caveat that. Blue ribbon is

864
00:31:49,290 --> 00:31:49,790
really

865
00:31:50,498 --> 00:31:51,852
I don't wanna say the only 1 in

866
00:31:51,852 --> 00:31:53,525
the country, but it's the only 1 in

867
00:31:53,525 --> 00:31:57,347
the country that whose main sole focus is

868
00:31:57,347 --> 00:31:57,847
nationwide

869
00:31:58,462 --> 00:31:58,701
litigation.

870
00:31:59,512 --> 00:32:01,501
Okay. I can see that. You've got you've

871
00:32:01,501 --> 00:32:03,967
got, like, friends of Ocean Dune. Yeah. Their

872
00:32:03,967 --> 00:32:07,798
main focus is litigation at Pi. Sure. And

873
00:32:07,798 --> 00:32:09,308
then there's a couple other Cal 4,

874
00:32:10,182 --> 00:32:10,682
sometimes

875
00:32:11,056 --> 00:32:13,781
gets involved with litigation. Just depends on the

876
00:32:13,916 --> 00:32:16,654
nationally. Yeah. Or is California.

877
00:32:17,027 --> 00:32:19,803
California based litigation. So, like, Cor would be

878
00:32:19,803 --> 00:32:20,461
a great

879
00:32:20,834 --> 00:32:21,334
regional

880
00:32:21,706 --> 00:32:24,108
1. Mh. But I'm I'm kind of now

881
00:32:24,108 --> 00:32:25,248
at the point where

882
00:32:25,866 --> 00:32:28,184
I've, in the past 6 to 9 months,

883
00:32:28,424 --> 00:32:30,762
I've been dealing quite a bit with government

884
00:32:30,821 --> 00:32:31,940
agencies in the Trail.

885
00:32:32,750 --> 00:32:33,250
And

886
00:32:34,336 --> 00:32:34,836
unfortunately,

887
00:32:36,159 --> 00:32:36,659
diplomacy

888
00:32:37,031 --> 00:32:41,176
does not work great approaching these organize these

889
00:32:41,176 --> 00:32:43,728
entities these government agencies as a user group.

890
00:32:44,685 --> 00:32:46,758
Okay. You really need to have,

891
00:32:47,875 --> 00:32:49,252
substantial financial backing

892
00:32:49,805 --> 00:32:51,505
or be able to create

893
00:32:52,125 --> 00:32:52,625
amazing

894
00:32:53,244 --> 00:32:55,164
relationships with people, but the problem is that

895
00:32:55,164 --> 00:32:57,972
people retire. Yeah. Or change jobs or change

896
00:32:57,972 --> 00:33:00,041
jobs. Mh. And then you have to create

897
00:33:00,041 --> 00:33:01,075
all that over again,

898
00:33:02,269 --> 00:33:03,780
and spend all this. You have to spend

899
00:33:03,780 --> 00:33:05,474
some 5, 7 years

900
00:33:06,181 --> 00:33:09,437
building a rapport with somebody at a government

901
00:33:09,437 --> 00:33:11,207
agency before they'll trust you

902
00:33:11,819 --> 00:33:14,440
to... To to interact with that government agency.

903
00:33:14,678 --> 00:33:14,836
Yeah.

904
00:33:15,490 --> 00:33:16,230
And so

905
00:33:16,609 --> 00:33:19,109
really, in my opinion the best way

906
00:33:19,730 --> 00:33:20,230
to

907
00:33:20,849 --> 00:33:21,349
ensure

908
00:33:22,210 --> 00:33:23,970
trails that we have trails in the future,

909
00:33:24,384 --> 00:33:27,415
is really through setting up litigation and and

910
00:33:27,415 --> 00:33:30,547
fighting lawsuits and implementing new laws

911
00:33:31,164 --> 00:33:32,780
to protect access

912
00:33:33,158 --> 00:33:33,658
nationwide,

913
00:33:34,368 --> 00:33:36,595
Yeah. And blue ribbon is really the only

914
00:33:36,595 --> 00:33:37,310
1 doing that.

915
00:33:38,105 --> 00:33:39,855
Okay. Mh. I could see that. I mean,

916
00:33:40,093 --> 00:33:42,183
I've also... I've always thought

917
00:33:42,654 --> 00:33:43,154
that

918
00:33:43,615 --> 00:33:45,295
supporting local is a good way to go.

919
00:33:45,455 --> 00:33:47,375
Right? It's it's not a bad way. No.

920
00:33:47,615 --> 00:33:50,982
For sure. No. And with you stating everything

921
00:33:50,982 --> 00:33:52,329
that you just said. You know, it's, like,

922
00:33:52,963 --> 00:33:55,895
local cares about local, and that's what I've

923
00:33:55,895 --> 00:33:57,615
always enjoyed. Right? Like, I

924
00:33:58,133 --> 00:33:59,890
as, you know, as much as I can

925
00:33:59,890 --> 00:34:01,965
concern myself with what's happening to Moa. What's

926
00:34:01,965 --> 00:34:04,520
happening in Idaho or any of the trails

927
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,595
on the east coast or whatever it is.

928
00:34:07,089 --> 00:34:09,973
You know, it's like, what really affects me

929
00:34:10,268 --> 00:34:12,732
is what's happening here in Sacramento general area.

930
00:34:12,971 --> 00:34:15,593
Yeah. Mh. Right? And so Eye care,

931
00:34:16,563 --> 00:34:19,773
drastically or dramatically, whatever the right word is

932
00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:23,019
about what is happening in my backyard. 100

933
00:34:23,019 --> 00:34:23,737
percent. Right? Yeah.

934
00:34:24,549 --> 00:34:27,107
And the... I've always figured that the local

935
00:34:27,107 --> 00:34:29,504
people will help. Mh. They'll be the ones

936
00:34:29,504 --> 00:34:31,502
that are gonna be the answer. Mh. But

937
00:34:31,502 --> 00:34:33,420
it's not nowadays. It's not true. They're not

938
00:34:33,420 --> 00:34:35,847
big enough. Yeah. They're not big enough to

939
00:34:36,063 --> 00:34:37,893
make some of the changes come to the

940
00:34:37,893 --> 00:34:40,996
table with the force that you want. Yep.

941
00:34:41,329 --> 00:34:42,849
You know, they'll come to the table, but

942
00:34:42,849 --> 00:34:44,710
they're coming to the table and they're supporting

943
00:34:45,329 --> 00:34:47,170
some of these bigger companies. Mh. That are

944
00:34:47,170 --> 00:34:48,849
coming to the table to actually with the

945
00:34:48,849 --> 00:34:50,690
force to yep to make the difference. Yep.

946
00:34:51,104 --> 00:34:52,777
And I think that's where blue ribbon is.

947
00:34:53,016 --> 00:34:55,166
Yep. Blue ribbon is at force that, you

948
00:34:55,166 --> 00:34:57,316
know, Cor and Cal wheel for us out

949
00:34:57,316 --> 00:35:00,438
here. Mh. Are supporting blue ribbon. Yeah. And

950
00:35:00,438 --> 00:35:03,228
to and helping them because Blue Ribbons the

951
00:35:03,228 --> 00:35:05,381
force that they need to to help us

952
00:35:05,381 --> 00:35:06,120
keep whatever

953
00:35:07,056 --> 00:35:08,570
obstacles in our way to get it out

954
00:35:08,570 --> 00:35:10,570
of the way. Absolutely. And the other big

955
00:35:10,570 --> 00:35:13,766
benefit to doing to focusing on national

956
00:35:14,297 --> 00:35:15,353
litigation forces

957
00:35:15,963 --> 00:35:16,701
is that

958
00:35:17,088 --> 00:35:19,000
the same thing that happens that we see

959
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,412
all the time where something happens in California,

960
00:35:21,629 --> 00:35:24,200
and then that precedence is used

961
00:35:24,894 --> 00:35:25,394
nationwide.

962
00:35:26,344 --> 00:35:27,222
In other areas.

963
00:35:27,940 --> 00:35:29,775
So if we can get if we can

964
00:35:29,775 --> 00:35:30,275
get

965
00:35:31,131 --> 00:35:32,349
litigation that passes

966
00:35:32,727 --> 00:35:33,286
the senate.

967
00:35:33,938 --> 00:35:36,190
And the house of... The house or representatives

968
00:35:36,804 --> 00:35:37,918
passes through congress,

969
00:35:38,794 --> 00:35:41,341
then we can now apply that nationwide.

970
00:35:41,914 --> 00:35:45,979
From 1 active legislation passing. Right. So, it's

971
00:35:45,979 --> 00:35:46,479
it's

972
00:35:47,095 --> 00:35:49,349
it's... You get more sweeping

973
00:35:50,539 --> 00:35:51,340
access, I guess,

974
00:35:52,140 --> 00:35:53,519
to be able to

975
00:35:54,059 --> 00:35:56,380
maintain access on our trails. Local stuff is

976
00:35:56,380 --> 00:35:58,712
awesome. I don't think that there's we still

977
00:35:58,712 --> 00:36:02,060
need organizations that fight locally. 100 percent. Mh.

978
00:36:02,299 --> 00:36:04,052
We still need Room con trail Foundation. We

979
00:36:04,052 --> 00:36:05,806
still need friends of Ocean Dune. We still

980
00:36:05,806 --> 00:36:08,380
need still need local clubs helping out. We

981
00:36:08,380 --> 00:36:08,880
absolutely

982
00:36:09,260 --> 00:36:11,579
clubs. Yep. They... We still need all that.

983
00:36:12,380 --> 00:36:14,719
And so I... It's... But I've

984
00:36:15,273 --> 00:36:17,346
I've come to the point in my life

985
00:36:17,346 --> 00:36:19,599
where like, I wanna focus on

986
00:36:20,454 --> 00:36:20,954
sweeping

987
00:36:21,490 --> 00:36:24,059
stuff. Yeah. Well, let me turn this around.

988
00:36:24,380 --> 00:36:26,460
Okay. Okay. I'm ready. I'm I'm getting really

989
00:36:26,460 --> 00:36:27,820
good at this. So, yeah, I'm gonna pull

990
00:36:27,820 --> 00:36:28,960
it a Tara.

991
00:36:29,340 --> 00:36:31,019
Okay. On. In a way.

992
00:36:31,914 --> 00:36:34,465
Who is coming at us to take the

993
00:36:34,465 --> 00:36:35,102
lands away.

994
00:36:36,059 --> 00:36:36,958
Really environmentalists.

995
00:36:37,414 --> 00:36:39,907
Yeah. People who think that

996
00:36:40,379 --> 00:36:42,132
in 1 form or another that we are

997
00:36:42,132 --> 00:36:44,921
doing irr harm to the earth.

998
00:36:45,559 --> 00:36:47,493
Therefore, we need to

999
00:36:48,521 --> 00:36:50,510
protect it at all costs. Right.

1000
00:36:51,226 --> 00:36:53,453
Absolutely. So that... That's their arc... That's their

1001
00:36:53,453 --> 00:36:54,908
argument. I'm trying to

1002
00:36:55,299 --> 00:36:57,215
Yeah. Give the give their arguments to put

1003
00:36:57,215 --> 00:36:58,652
their words in here. I'm letting you play

1004
00:36:58,732 --> 00:37:01,526
Devil Okay. Okay. U. But how are they...

1005
00:37:01,925 --> 00:37:03,841
It's not an individual coming after us. No.

1006
00:37:04,161 --> 00:37:06,407
Not at all. What kind of organization is

1007
00:37:06,407 --> 00:37:09,515
it? Sarah Club Su. It's it's very... It's

1008
00:37:09,515 --> 00:37:10,493
it's very

1009
00:37:11,108 --> 00:37:11,608
rich

1010
00:37:12,144 --> 00:37:12,644
backed

1011
00:37:13,737 --> 00:37:13,976
organizations.

1012
00:37:14,949 --> 00:37:16,550
That have a lot of funding a lot

1013
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:17,289
of resources

1014
00:37:17,670 --> 00:37:20,650
that are trying to put together passion projects

1015
00:37:20,949 --> 00:37:21,449
because

1016
00:37:21,750 --> 00:37:24,482
they care a lot. Yeah. And really, that's

1017
00:37:24,482 --> 00:37:26,418
what it comes down to. They're very passionate

1018
00:37:26,476 --> 00:37:28,151
about the outdoors as well, and they're they're

1019
00:37:28,151 --> 00:37:31,820
very passionate about main making sure that we

1020
00:37:31,820 --> 00:37:33,175
have a planet still.

1021
00:37:33,985 --> 00:37:35,967
Which I think is a very good thing

1022
00:37:35,967 --> 00:37:38,980
to have. Yes, being the driving force, I

1023
00:37:38,980 --> 00:37:40,907
think that most off road

1024
00:37:42,168 --> 00:37:44,153
overwhelming majority of our voters would also agree

1025
00:37:44,153 --> 00:37:46,773
to that statement. Absolutely. I think that we

1026
00:37:46,773 --> 00:37:47,591
just disagree

1027
00:37:48,044 --> 00:37:48,544
on

1028
00:37:49,649 --> 00:37:52,846
how much impact we're really making to the

1029
00:37:52,846 --> 00:37:53,245
planet,

1030
00:37:53,805 --> 00:37:54,944
like, irr

1031
00:37:55,723 --> 00:37:57,640
impact. I get that the whole plan is

1032
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,511
warming up, it definitely

1033
00:38:00,203 --> 00:38:03,301
is. There's there's scientific evidence that that is

1034
00:38:03,301 --> 00:38:06,018
happening. Yeah. And the fuck. He wave that

1035
00:38:06,018 --> 00:38:07,693
we're having all week. The heat wave this

1036
00:38:07,693 --> 00:38:09,209
week. We're gonna hit new records. I think

1037
00:38:09,209 --> 00:38:12,000
in that valley for global temperatures. Really? Yeah.

1038
00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:13,994
I think that's what they have that. And

1039
00:38:13,994 --> 00:38:16,321
you know what's funny. Is those records there

1040
00:38:16,321 --> 00:38:17,832
are gonna be idiots out there,

1041
00:38:18,946 --> 00:38:21,037
suppress standing next to that sign

1042
00:38:21,412 --> 00:38:23,321
with a brand new temperature of what it,

1043
00:38:23,401 --> 00:38:25,563
like, a hundred and 30 something degrees...

1044
00:38:26,199 --> 00:38:28,346
We're gonna be, like, you're an idiot. Yeah.

1045
00:38:28,505 --> 00:38:30,651
Like, Yeah. Your 10 feet away is your

1046
00:38:30,651 --> 00:38:33,195
air conditioned car. I get it. Yeah. Like,

1047
00:38:33,434 --> 00:38:34,093
it is

1048
00:38:34,483 --> 00:38:36,475
fucking hot. Why are you there? Yeah.

1049
00:38:37,112 --> 00:38:39,046
So I... Like... There's... We're definitely

1050
00:38:39,422 --> 00:38:42,153
warming up the planet. Mh. And the seasons

1051
00:38:42,290 --> 00:38:45,837
are becoming more stream because of this warming

1052
00:38:45,896 --> 00:38:46,136
action.

1053
00:38:46,775 --> 00:38:47,973
There's no denying that.

1054
00:38:48,692 --> 00:38:50,630
I what I have

1055
00:38:51,023 --> 00:38:54,203
issues with is people thinking that we need

1056
00:38:54,203 --> 00:38:55,896
to preserve the planet

1057
00:38:56,350 --> 00:38:58,577
in such a way that we remember it

1058
00:38:58,577 --> 00:39:00,247
as that we know it as.

1059
00:39:01,057 --> 00:39:03,443
And my argument is that we don't fucking

1060
00:39:03,443 --> 00:39:05,830
matter. Human beings don't matter at all on

1061
00:39:05,830 --> 00:39:06,705
this planet. Sure.

1062
00:39:07,994 --> 00:39:10,074
We are such a tiny speck of what

1063
00:39:10,074 --> 00:39:12,494
this planet is about or has been about

1064
00:39:12,554 --> 00:39:13,994
or has been about. We are such a

1065
00:39:13,994 --> 00:39:17,207
tiny speck of the life of this planet

1066
00:39:17,207 --> 00:39:17,607
so far,

1067
00:39:18,326 --> 00:39:18,826
that

1068
00:39:19,204 --> 00:39:21,682
no matter, I don't think no matter what

1069
00:39:21,682 --> 00:39:25,439
we do mother nature is a force.

1070
00:39:26,313 --> 00:39:28,693
And I don't think there's anything we can

1071
00:39:28,693 --> 00:39:30,757
do that mother nature will not be able

1072
00:39:30,757 --> 00:39:32,400
to bounce back from. It's just a matter

1073
00:39:32,598 --> 00:39:34,610
of whether or not we as human beings

1074
00:39:35,303 --> 00:39:36,655
will be able to bounce back from it.

1075
00:39:37,291 --> 00:39:39,414
I could I could see that. But you're

1076
00:39:39,535 --> 00:39:41,394
at... So you're d diver

1077
00:39:41,695 --> 00:39:44,015
a little bit little. Yeah. What we're talking

1078
00:39:44,015 --> 00:39:46,594
about. Here. So... But and in regards to

1079
00:39:47,375 --> 00:39:49,190
going back a little bit, I guess, is

1080
00:39:49,548 --> 00:39:51,857
the forces that are coming after us. Right?

1081
00:39:52,176 --> 00:39:55,679
You have the Sierra Club, you have she

1082
00:39:55,679 --> 00:39:57,772
sue you have all, all these

1083
00:39:58,321 --> 00:40:02,049
big name entities. Mh. With a lot of

1084
00:40:02,049 --> 00:40:02,842
backing, Mh.

1085
00:40:03,477 --> 00:40:04,453
Coming after

1086
00:40:05,158 --> 00:40:08,018
or and or doing land grabs. Mh.

1087
00:40:09,289 --> 00:40:09,789
Against

1088
00:40:10,322 --> 00:40:12,467
come... Like, against people that want to be

1089
00:40:12,467 --> 00:40:14,575
out there. Right? And you have these

1090
00:40:15,035 --> 00:40:17,275
individuals like you and me and the person

1091
00:40:17,275 --> 00:40:19,434
listening to this that are upset with it.

1092
00:40:19,755 --> 00:40:22,568
Yeah. Right? And what can you and me

1093
00:40:22,568 --> 00:40:24,806
and the person out there do against it.

1094
00:40:25,285 --> 00:40:25,685
Nothing.

1095
00:40:26,244 --> 00:40:28,402
I mean, I mean, we can do individuals

1096
00:40:28,402 --> 00:40:30,320
as individuals, we can't do anything.

1097
00:40:30,734 --> 00:40:33,203
Right. There's no meaningful impact as individuals. Right?

1098
00:40:33,601 --> 00:40:36,070
We can help. Mh. But I... Like, if

1099
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:37,048
I went

1100
00:40:37,743 --> 00:40:41,340
individually against Su. Yeah. They would laugh at

1101
00:40:41,340 --> 00:40:43,409
me back at me and send me out

1102
00:40:43,409 --> 00:40:46,512
the door. Yeah. Right? Exactly. Yep. So what

1103
00:40:46,512 --> 00:40:48,603
do we need to do? We can help

1104
00:40:48,994 --> 00:40:52,198
our organizations locally. Mh. We can beat volunteering

1105
00:40:52,494 --> 00:40:55,516
clubs, but it doesn't come down to any

1106
00:40:55,516 --> 00:40:58,077
effect until we have another large name,

1107
00:40:58,873 --> 00:41:01,658
organization at the table with the other large

1108
00:41:01,658 --> 00:41:05,258
name organizations. Yeah. Totally, 100 percent. Did I

1109
00:41:05,258 --> 00:41:07,491
guarantee you know it? Yeah. I no worries.

1110
00:41:08,129 --> 00:41:10,282
Did it kinda go? Yeah. No way. I

1111
00:41:10,282 --> 00:41:11,957
was trying to state that my... The whole

1112
00:41:11,957 --> 00:41:14,517
point of this is the big name organizations

1113
00:41:14,517 --> 00:41:16,820
are coming at the small person. Yeah. We

1114
00:41:16,820 --> 00:41:18,806
need a big name organization just be at

1115
00:41:18,806 --> 00:41:19,544
the table

1116
00:41:19,918 --> 00:41:22,875
representing us as well. 100 percent. Yeah. And

1117
00:41:23,035 --> 00:41:24,715
I think that there's is definitely... I don't...

1118
00:41:25,035 --> 00:41:26,894
Closure is not management.

1119
00:41:27,355 --> 00:41:29,755
Yeah. I think that there's definitely a way

1120
00:41:29,755 --> 00:41:32,425
that we can manage lands and sustainably

1121
00:41:33,197 --> 00:41:35,502
so that there is a future for both

1122
00:41:35,502 --> 00:41:36,456
the planet and us.

1123
00:41:37,171 --> 00:41:38,363
I think that there's a way to do

1124
00:41:38,363 --> 00:41:40,214
it without locking off

1125
00:41:40,683 --> 00:41:41,556
the enjoyment to us.

1126
00:41:42,190 --> 00:41:44,570
Absolutely. Yeah. Like, there's there's... I I don't

1127
00:41:44,649 --> 00:41:46,260
I don't... And I think that environmentalists

1128
00:41:46,870 --> 00:41:48,060
are kidding themselves.

1129
00:41:48,869 --> 00:41:50,725
When they think that they are

1130
00:41:51,341 --> 00:41:52,798
doing the right

1131
00:41:53,176 --> 00:41:53,676
things

1132
00:41:54,053 --> 00:41:57,084
because they think that closure means that they

1133
00:41:57,084 --> 00:41:58,360
are still gonna get to enjoy it.

1134
00:41:59,255 --> 00:42:00,614
Lot of them do. You asked them, and

1135
00:42:00,614 --> 00:42:02,934
they're like, oh, no. Sue was doing awesome

1136
00:42:02,934 --> 00:42:04,934
stuff. They're locking up these lands so that

1137
00:42:04,934 --> 00:42:07,175
it's only available for backpack packing or whatever.

1138
00:42:07,335 --> 00:42:09,510
And it's like, you realize that in order

1139
00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:11,109
to get to that location. You have to

1140
00:42:11,109 --> 00:42:12,309
backpack a hundred miles.

1141
00:42:13,109 --> 00:42:15,429
You can't get to that location backpack. Like,

1142
00:42:15,589 --> 00:42:17,429
it's not feasible. No. Not at all. They're

1143
00:42:17,429 --> 00:42:19,275
like, Oh, I didn't realize that. Yeah.

1144
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:22,455
Absolutely. Yeah. We need we need we need

1145
00:42:22,455 --> 00:42:25,341
awareness. We need education, and we definitely need

1146
00:42:26,847 --> 00:42:30,038
organization of people coming together and however it

1147
00:42:30,038 --> 00:42:32,351
is isn't being represented at the tables. Yes.

1148
00:42:32,591 --> 00:42:34,360
So And I think the Blue ribbon is

1149
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,036
doing an awesome job at that. And I

1150
00:42:36,036 --> 00:42:38,269
think that the more money and funding they

1151
00:42:38,269 --> 00:42:42,416
get, the more they're gonna be for the

1152
00:42:42,416 --> 00:42:42,916
recreational

1153
00:42:43,469 --> 00:42:43,869
community.

1154
00:42:44,668 --> 00:42:48,105
Absolutely. So... So go to share trails dot

1155
00:42:48,105 --> 00:42:50,262
org. Yeah Yeah. There's a lot of stuff

1156
00:42:50,262 --> 00:42:52,420
there working on nationwide. This was just a

1157
00:42:52,420 --> 00:42:54,584
handful things in this little newsletter I got.

1158
00:42:55,061 --> 00:42:56,651
There... There's a lot of cool stuff going

1159
00:42:56,651 --> 00:42:58,558
on. There's a lot of big things that

1160
00:42:58,558 --> 00:42:59,194
they're fighting.

1161
00:42:59,989 --> 00:43:02,190
They have a page that kinda outlines things

1162
00:43:02,548 --> 00:43:03,824
a lot of the stuff they're fighting.

1163
00:43:04,543 --> 00:43:06,776
There's an action page take action where you

1164
00:43:06,776 --> 00:43:08,291
can look through some of the causes and

1165
00:43:08,291 --> 00:43:10,205
be like, yeah, I don't care too much

1166
00:43:10,205 --> 00:43:11,481
about Moa app, but I care about, like,

1167
00:43:11,641 --> 00:43:11,880
Powell.

1168
00:43:12,454 --> 00:43:14,612
Yeah. And so I wanna I wanna get

1169
00:43:14,612 --> 00:43:16,130
involved with, lake Powell and send in my

1170
00:43:16,130 --> 00:43:17,429
my 2 cents, my comments

1171
00:43:18,607 --> 00:43:20,365
about, like, Powell. And so they have... You

1172
00:43:20,365 --> 00:43:20,865
can

1173
00:43:21,257 --> 00:43:22,848
input on their stuff they're doing with Lake

1174
00:43:23,087 --> 00:43:24,541
Right now. So

1175
00:43:25,155 --> 00:43:27,144
there... It's it's a really cool what they're

1176
00:43:27,144 --> 00:43:27,462
doing.

1177
00:43:28,114 --> 00:43:30,028
I think everybody should be supporting blue ribbon

1178
00:43:30,268 --> 00:43:31,703
Coalition. If you like outdoor recreation.

1179
00:43:32,740 --> 00:43:33,719
It's a small

1180
00:43:34,176 --> 00:43:36,010
price to pay in order to ensure that

1181
00:43:36,010 --> 00:43:38,575
we continue having outdoor recreation 20 30.

1182
00:43:39,289 --> 00:43:39,687
Absolutely.

1183
00:43:40,402 --> 00:43:43,262
A hundred percent. I I've also... I've often

1184
00:43:43,262 --> 00:43:45,645
wondered if there was some way to state,

1185
00:43:45,724 --> 00:43:45,883
like,

1186
00:43:46,613 --> 00:43:48,222
if you go off road

1187
00:43:49,070 --> 00:43:51,527
once, and it's a day trip, you should

1188
00:43:51,527 --> 00:43:53,666
spend, like, 5 bucks for to till, Like,

1189
00:43:53,746 --> 00:43:56,253
give 5 bucks to blue ribbon or any

1190
00:43:56,391 --> 00:43:58,625
organization. Yep. They choose. If you do every

1191
00:43:58,625 --> 00:44:01,097
day that you go off road during the

1192
00:44:01,097 --> 00:44:03,032
year, think about giving

1193
00:44:03,504 --> 00:44:06,048
an organization 5 bucks. Yeah. How many days

1194
00:44:06,048 --> 00:44:07,559
a year do you go off road? I

1195
00:44:07,559 --> 00:44:09,149
go a lot. A lot of I go

1196
00:44:09,149 --> 00:44:11,216
quite a bit. Yeah. You know? So I

1197
00:44:11,216 --> 00:44:12,511
should probably be donating

1198
00:44:13,300 --> 00:44:15,619
a chunk of money. Mh. Every year to

1199
00:44:15,619 --> 00:44:17,780
these people because they are doing... They are

1200
00:44:17,780 --> 00:44:21,434
supporting and keeping things alive, events alive, act

1201
00:44:22,352 --> 00:44:24,905
alive, nature alive. Mh. So that I can

1202
00:44:24,905 --> 00:44:26,102
continue to go out and do the things

1203
00:44:26,102 --> 00:44:29,110
that I enjoy. Yep. Yeah. You know, So

1204
00:44:29,228 --> 00:44:31,052
think of just think about it. Like, a

1205
00:44:31,052 --> 00:44:32,954
dollar, You know? It's like, if you went

1206
00:44:32,954 --> 00:44:35,333
wheel 50 times this year, which might be

1207
00:44:35,333 --> 00:44:36,364
a high number for people,

1208
00:44:37,094 --> 00:44:39,968
think about donating 50 bucks. Yeah. It's very

1209
00:44:39,968 --> 00:44:42,602
true. Yep. You know, because that's 1 dollar.

1210
00:44:42,842 --> 00:44:44,438
Just 1 dollar of every trip that you

1211
00:44:44,438 --> 00:44:45,955
take. Mh. You know, what is that? Like,

1212
00:44:46,289 --> 00:44:48,360
1 of those little bag of white powder

1213
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,830
doughnuts. Yeah. You know, Like, don't buy that

1214
00:44:50,830 --> 00:44:53,561
this 1 time. Yeah. Donate that dollar

1215
00:44:54,734 --> 00:44:55,530
to B.

1216
00:44:55,943 --> 00:44:58,407
Yeah. That's funny. Yeah. I wanna... I wanna

1217
00:44:58,407 --> 00:45:00,156
get Ben on because he's had some really

1218
00:45:00,156 --> 00:45:02,302
interesting statistics. I wanna say that we've mentioned

1219
00:45:02,302 --> 00:45:04,948
them before about If just all the the

1220
00:45:05,108 --> 00:45:05,608
Oh

1221
00:45:06,386 --> 00:45:08,164
registrations in Utah alone

1222
00:45:08,623 --> 00:45:11,715
gave, I think 5 dollars for 1 month

1223
00:45:11,834 --> 00:45:13,185
their 2 months. I forget how money it

1224
00:45:13,185 --> 00:45:15,569
was. Mh. The B then Blue ribbon Coalition

1225
00:45:15,569 --> 00:45:16,920
would out fund Su.

1226
00:45:17,398 --> 00:45:20,514
Dang. And that's just Utah. That's insane. And

1227
00:45:20,514 --> 00:45:22,684
it's so it just goes to show how

1228
00:45:22,742 --> 00:45:25,151
many people we have in this

1229
00:45:25,845 --> 00:45:28,232
culture in this community of off road an

1230
00:45:28,232 --> 00:45:29,597
outdoor rick creation, Oh,

1231
00:45:30,073 --> 00:45:31,208
recreation Users

1232
00:45:31,739 --> 00:45:33,961
that there's no reason why we should be

1233
00:45:33,961 --> 00:45:36,658
losing trails. Right. Absolutely no reason. The only

1234
00:45:36,658 --> 00:45:38,576
reason is because of apa and people are

1235
00:45:38,576 --> 00:45:40,239
just like, oh, it's not in my backyard,

1236
00:45:40,398 --> 00:45:42,378
so I'm not concerned about it. Yep. I

1237
00:45:42,378 --> 00:45:44,225
think so. Yep. So

1238
00:45:44,614 --> 00:45:46,771
Good stuff. So you wanna talk about Trails

1239
00:45:46,851 --> 00:45:49,009
Moa now jimmy me. Alright. They're may what

1240
00:45:49,009 --> 00:45:52,125
we actually were gonna talk about today. I

1241
00:45:52,125 --> 00:45:53,833
think that's gonna be next Monday.

1242
00:45:55,159 --> 00:45:57,777
Oh, yeah. That's funny. I did not expect

1243
00:45:57,777 --> 00:45:59,523
to go off in a whole episode about

1244
00:45:59,523 --> 00:46:01,213
this. So... No. But I think it's great.

1245
00:46:01,453 --> 00:46:03,371
I mean, I think it's needed. I think,

1246
00:46:03,451 --> 00:46:06,667
you know, obviously, you know, you're supporting B.

1247
00:46:06,887 --> 00:46:09,928
Mh. And you received a letter from them

1248
00:46:09,928 --> 00:46:12,702
telling you everything that is has been going

1249
00:46:12,702 --> 00:46:16,056
on and bringing it to the attention of

1250
00:46:16,525 --> 00:46:20,065
the community that our reach has. Mh. Is

1251
00:46:20,284 --> 00:46:20,784
exactly

1252
00:46:21,484 --> 00:46:23,664
what needs to happen. Mh. Because

1253
00:46:24,139 --> 00:46:25,420
what's going on in this letter?

1254
00:46:26,219 --> 00:46:27,920
Everybody on the other side of this microphone

1255
00:46:27,980 --> 00:46:31,019
needs to know about. Yeah. I agree. 100

1256
00:46:31,019 --> 00:46:33,350
percent. Follow along Blue ribbons ribbon social media.

1257
00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:35,505
They do an awesome job on Instagram about

1258
00:46:35,505 --> 00:46:36,005
highlighting

1259
00:46:36,783 --> 00:46:38,539
these things that they're working on, the wins

1260
00:46:38,539 --> 00:46:40,375
that they make, the losses that they have.

1261
00:46:40,869 --> 00:46:43,102
Then and kinda what's the stuff going on

1262
00:46:43,102 --> 00:46:44,857
behind all these different action items that they're

1263
00:46:44,857 --> 00:46:46,692
working on nationwide. Yeah They do a really

1264
00:46:46,692 --> 00:46:48,366
good job with it. So follow on Instagram.

1265
00:46:48,845 --> 00:46:50,440
And if you see something that you're, like,

1266
00:46:51,094 --> 00:46:52,692
That was a really good move. I'm glad

1267
00:46:52,692 --> 00:46:55,408
you guys did that. Send them 5 bucks

1268
00:46:55,408 --> 00:46:57,505
as a thank you. Yeah. So

1269
00:46:57,819 --> 00:47:00,293
Yeah. And we've said it, you know, many

1270
00:47:00,293 --> 00:47:02,687
times, like, volunteering is fantastic and, you know,

1271
00:47:03,086 --> 00:47:05,241
everybody should be volunteering 1 way or another.

1272
00:47:05,401 --> 00:47:06,474
Mh. But

1273
00:47:06,933 --> 00:47:09,170
organizations like Blue ribbon coalition. I mean, it

1274
00:47:09,170 --> 00:47:11,487
could use volunteers, but they really need money

1275
00:47:11,487 --> 00:47:12,605
to fight the fight. Yep.

1276
00:47:13,257 --> 00:47:16,918
It's it's expensive lob, law battles with lawyers

1277
00:47:16,918 --> 00:47:20,362
and litigation and going through appeals circuits and

1278
00:47:20,419 --> 00:47:21,715
congress and lobbying,

1279
00:47:22,664 --> 00:47:25,061
it takes a ton of money. Yeah. So...

1280
00:47:25,301 --> 00:47:27,538
But, yeah, keep doing your guys things out

1281
00:47:27,538 --> 00:47:30,195
there. And if you wanna find ways to

1282
00:47:30,587 --> 00:47:32,096
get involved. But you don't really know how.

1283
00:47:32,810 --> 00:47:34,795
Shoot me or Jimmy an email. Reach out

1284
00:47:34,795 --> 00:47:36,780
to us on Instagram. Call us in, call

1285
00:47:36,780 --> 00:47:38,859
us on the the snail mail, We have

1286
00:47:38,859 --> 00:47:40,920
some pretty good connections now in the industry

1287
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:42,585
that we can get you funneled into the

1288
00:47:42,585 --> 00:47:44,171
right areas and give you some really good

1289
00:47:44,171 --> 00:47:46,648
ideas of what you can do locally, If

1290
00:47:46,648 --> 00:47:48,562
you wanna do local stuff or regional or

1291
00:47:48,562 --> 00:47:51,433
nationals? Yeah. Well, you sorta of took my,

1292
00:47:51,592 --> 00:47:53,188
last words out of my mouth. So I'll

1293
00:47:53,188 --> 00:47:55,262
sorta I'll just reg what I was gonna

1294
00:47:55,262 --> 00:47:57,588
say. Yeah. Is I want you guys to

1295
00:47:57,588 --> 00:47:58,407
write us

1296
00:47:58,784 --> 00:48:00,479
or call us or

1297
00:48:00,856 --> 00:48:03,087
message us 1 way Dms us on Instagram

1298
00:48:03,087 --> 00:48:03,565
or whatever.

1299
00:48:04,058 --> 00:48:06,126
I wanna know... I wanna get a list

1300
00:48:06,126 --> 00:48:06,443
together.

1301
00:48:07,079 --> 00:48:07,579
Of

1302
00:48:08,034 --> 00:48:08,193
organizations.

1303
00:48:09,068 --> 00:48:11,851
By state, by region by state by.

1304
00:48:12,885 --> 00:48:13,203
You know,

1305
00:48:14,408 --> 00:48:16,810
mountain time or however we wanna organize.

1306
00:48:17,420 --> 00:48:19,085
At time zones. Arizona is gonna be on

1307
00:48:19,085 --> 00:48:20,194
2 list. Yeah. Cute. Right?

1308
00:48:21,398 --> 00:48:22,771
Maybe not time zones, which

1309
00:48:23,144 --> 00:48:26,001
maybe west of the Mississippi. Yeah. Or whatever.

1310
00:48:27,508 --> 00:48:28,937
But, you know, I would love to get

1311
00:48:28,937 --> 00:48:31,101
a list together and put it somewhere so

1312
00:48:31,101 --> 00:48:33,733
that if anybody's like, hey, I'm in

1313
00:48:34,371 --> 00:48:36,525
Arkansas, and I don't know what's out here.

1314
00:48:36,684 --> 00:48:39,157
Yeah. Is there anything out here? They can

1315
00:48:39,157 --> 00:48:42,519
find this page. Yep. And they can find

1316
00:48:42,519 --> 00:48:45,070
somebody to support in their area. Southern 4

1317
00:48:45,070 --> 00:48:46,902
wheel dia civilization. There you go. There you

1318
00:48:46,902 --> 00:48:50,183
go. Yeah. So, maybe we'll... I'll, I'll write

1319
00:48:50,183 --> 00:48:51,935
a list down with all the ideas. Tyler

1320
00:48:51,935 --> 00:48:53,846
has or will compose something, but I really

1321
00:48:53,846 --> 00:48:55,678
want you you guys to call in and

1322
00:48:55,678 --> 00:48:58,590
tell us you know... There's some obvious ones

1323
00:48:58,730 --> 00:49:01,050
that we all know, but tell us those

1324
00:49:01,050 --> 00:49:03,289
2. Yep. Because some maybe there's an obvious

1325
00:49:03,289 --> 00:49:04,809
1 that we Tyler and I don't know.

1326
00:49:05,130 --> 00:49:06,972
Yeah. And tell us the smaller ones in

1327
00:49:06,972 --> 00:49:09,749
your general area or whatever you support, message

1328
00:49:09,749 --> 00:49:11,812
us. Even if you don't support us or

1329
00:49:11,812 --> 00:49:12,288
support them.

1330
00:49:12,938 --> 00:49:15,400
You know, send us names, send us organizations.

1331
00:49:15,638 --> 00:49:17,385
We'll do a little bit of venting on

1332
00:49:17,385 --> 00:49:19,608
our end for this list, but I really

1333
00:49:19,608 --> 00:49:20,720
wanna make a list and throw it up

1334
00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:22,324
on Snail trail 4 by 4. And Yeah.

1335
00:49:22,562 --> 00:49:23,380
Give somebody

1336
00:49:23,914 --> 00:49:26,221
people an idea of where and how to

1337
00:49:26,221 --> 00:49:28,449
support in their general area? Yep or nationally.

1338
00:49:28,687 --> 00:49:30,297
Yep. How love to have that list up

1339
00:49:30,297 --> 00:49:32,053
on More flight too. Yeah. On our, our

1340
00:49:32,053 --> 00:49:34,607
fundraiser section of the website. So I like

1341
00:49:34,607 --> 00:49:36,283
that project. Send them in. I think that's

1342
00:49:36,283 --> 00:49:37,640
awesome idea. So... Alright.

1343
00:49:38,610 --> 00:49:39,723
So should we have that be the final

1344
00:49:39,723 --> 00:49:40,041
words in?

1345
00:49:41,392 --> 00:49:42,981
I don't have it that was I wrote

1346
00:49:42,981 --> 00:49:44,650
that down as my final word. So if

1347
00:49:44,650 --> 00:49:46,319
you wanna get in contact with us, you

1348
00:49:46,319 --> 00:49:46,637
can

1349
00:49:47,209 --> 00:49:49,764
always email us, Jimmy or tyler at snail

1350
00:49:49,764 --> 00:49:51,360
trail 4 by 4. You can hit me

1351
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,835
up on Instagram, snail trail 4 by 4.

1352
00:49:54,075 --> 00:49:56,310
Tyler's over at 4 by 4 Toyota Tyler.

1353
00:49:56,804 --> 00:49:58,718
You can phone in and and leave us

1354
00:49:58,718 --> 00:50:02,090
a nice long message about all the organizations

1355
00:50:02,148 --> 00:50:05,019
that you support on our voice mail on

1356
00:50:05,019 --> 00:50:07,829
our snail mail section, that area... Or that

1357
00:50:07,829 --> 00:50:12,710
number is area code 9163454744I

1358
00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:14,150
like it I like it a lot. And

1359
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:16,713
with that, final words then for everybody, Jimmy.

1360
00:50:17,668 --> 00:50:19,259
Support. Ahead without my friend?

1361
00:50:20,134 --> 00:50:20,929
Keep call.

1362
00:50:49,359 --> 00:50:50,316
I got 1 for you.

1363
00:50:51,831 --> 00:50:54,942
A dollar? Oh, 1 of those these. Got

1364
00:50:54,942 --> 00:50:57,016
it. Okay. These jokes. U.

1365
00:50:59,018 --> 00:51:00,290
I just lost my job,

1366
00:51:01,084 --> 00:51:02,935
manufacturing, children's playground

1367
00:51:03,706 --> 00:51:04,103
apparatus.

1368
00:51:05,071 --> 00:51:05,389
K.

1369
00:51:06,898 --> 00:51:10,734
The industry all swings and no roundabout.

1370
00:51:13,189 --> 00:51:13,429
What?

1371
00:51:16,706 --> 00:51:18,544
I had just saw my job manufacturing children's

1372
00:51:18,544 --> 00:51:21,021
playground in that apparatus. The industry is all

1373
00:51:21,021 --> 00:51:22,001
swings and roundabout.

1374
00:51:22,714 --> 00:51:23,670
Oh, and roundabout.

1375
00:51:24,068 --> 00:51:26,457
The in... This industry is all swings and

1376
00:51:26,457 --> 00:51:26,957
roundabout.

1377
00:51:29,324 --> 00:51:32,361
That, I mean, maybe It's really trash. It's

1378
00:51:32,361 --> 00:51:34,187
a bad 1. Let's do another. Okay.

1379
00:51:36,887 --> 00:51:38,816
I was driving past a playground

1380
00:51:39,268 --> 00:51:39,903
the other day.

1381
00:51:40,633 --> 00:51:41,110
You know,

1382
00:51:42,143 --> 00:51:42,643
slides

1383
00:51:43,813 --> 00:51:45,823
I can get with, but

1384
00:51:46,277 --> 00:51:48,661
I go back and forth on swings.

1385
00:51:51,148 --> 00:51:52,666
That one's better? Okay. Okay.

1386
00:51:55,942 --> 00:51:57,780
I could done a better job presenting that

1387
00:51:57,780 --> 00:51:59,471
1 Is gonna to read it as I

1388
00:51:59,471 --> 00:52:01,067
go. U. You know,

1389
00:52:01,784 --> 00:52:03,858
slides I can get with. Mh. But I

1390
00:52:03,858 --> 00:52:06,171
go back and forth on swings. Yeah. That's

1391
00:52:06,171 --> 00:52:07,128
true. Yeah. Yeah.