So we get all the way up there.
It's fine. It's like dark, and then Ryan's
like, let's like, let's eat something and so
we sat down finally, long day of hiking.
And then all of a sudden, my dad
comes up there their and needs we gotta
leave in about right now.
And Like, I'm not leaving. I gotta jump
in this story. Go. Yeah. This was a
lot... This wasn't like, we gotta leave right
now. This was like a... Like hour and
a half conversation of Jim knew where these
bulls were as these elsewhere,
and we kinda knew there were some elk
up in this other spot. Where we were.
And the
and so Jim comes this night.
Night, like, probably midnight like And so should
we've been up early next day getting the
goats ready hiking up this hill, get up
there, and it's no, like, small feet. I
mean,
for... I mean, maybe for Annabel, Jim, for
me, it's no small feet. And I'm like,
I'm I'll I'll just stay it, you know,
I've... I'll just stay up here and see
if there's any elk here. U.
Anyways, I continue on. So he decides to
stay and me and my dad. Take off.
And he's like, we gotta go fast. So
we start hiking.
And and,
it's pitch black. So I'm following my dad.
He has the flashlight, and he's like, wait
a minute.
I think we're lost. We like circle back
around to Ryan.
I'm like, what the heck?
What do you guys do she guys? And
what am I right now. Both of them
are pretty local after the feet
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so.
He has runs street rock roof crew.
Yeah. You have quite a few South American.
The not fucking South American. What wallet?
Guatemala?
Yeah. So that's central Central America. Well, it's
all south. There is a central in between
the north and the south. All south of
me. It's the middle part.
Not American.
He has a
grip those people helping him about. Yeah. How's
that going? How's that business going? What's going?
Okay? It's stressful.
Is that how you tow your tore your
arm off there?
Kinda. How's Oh, yeah. Tell. It started it
there. Jim Torres bi up. He's had it
rep pinned. Gotta tell him how you tried
to save some sheet rock in fucking. It
just a reaction to seen a you rug
falling over the wall.
And Reached over to ran over to try
to catch it with my left hand. I
don't know why. That she just let the
freaking forget 25 dollar thing hit the floor,
but I need it. I felt the pop.
And and I knew it was kinda bad.
And then I went up going to the
doctor got it I mri, and then I
didn't know what... And I didn't know what
the... I knew something it tore.
And then I...
I thought it was like, the Bra ellis
muscle. And then I we went up going,
my brother came up and we went up
to the mountains. And
do some fishing in some scouting.
And
and I was trying to protect my arm,
but I was up on a ridge, and
there was a bunch of snow, on a
right when you hit the get the top
of it really steep on a ridge. Mh
in a snow it's pretty warm and the
snow. I popped the... I kinda post, you
know, fell through the snow and as soon
as I got out of the snow.
I slipped down the hill, probably, I don't
know, 20 30 feet so lighting, and I
had to pull in my hand.
In a my left hand hit the hit
a rock. I don't know, the pole hit
a rock. It... I just felt it snap
and unravel, and Thought my vice it to
move up my arm or my
that just happened bad.
Many miles from the truck? We... I don't
about 5 or so. 6.
Anyway, They spent the... I, I got,
I, I... My had... I'd had messaged a,
my wife and she messaged the doctor to
go. I when nothing we could do today
or it was, like, on a Saturday.
Nothing we get to do today. So just
come in on Monday.
So so then I came in on Monday,
And they go, well, we already know you
Have... You... You,
build your biceps. So we have to have
surgery on it. Did they had to Mri
the week before. I didn't know about it.
And then
then they said,
I'm no something else happens, like, a lot
different.
My whole form had, Like purple, like, lined
that moved up it, and my bicycle it.
Moved, like, this happened been since. It felt
like a different spot. So anyways, it was...
They just... They didn't never mri, but they
And then I went into Surgery on monday.
It was there an additional failure at that
point or same thing? Yeah. We're just more
shredded. Yeah. I don't know. Fucked it up
worse. Yeah. He just said, we're... You know,
so I don't I don't really know the
whole thing because that when I went in
on Monday did you the...
They said they had to get to surgery
right away. And so on Monday, I didn't
really get to see the doctor much.
And they put me out and I out
for like.
6 hours. Mh.
It
and the doctor was gone when I woke
up, and And so... But then he just
told Jenny that the
they had to dig a long way to
try to find out tenant. And then when
I talked to the next day. Yeah. We
really had a dig hard for that attending.
Way up your by set... Did he,
he said, well, you lost about 2 and
a half centimeters of normal, what I would
normally recover. So I had to pull that
circuit tight. That's all I told, so I
didn't really... I haven't been back in them.
Yeah. Have you bent it straight? No. I've
been in this thing the whole hold, so
I know what going
So Jim comes from a long line of
fucking injuries.
So you you've told me the other day
that both your shoulders, they say are beyond
repair the knee replacements. Yep. You broke your
back. Yeah. You've had to have the tendon
in your foot cut and you're Yeah. Like
the big army. Yeah. Yep. Your hips fucked
up. Yeah. But that that was... That's what...
I was finally getting back to it after
I
in January.
I
I tore my gas lateral alice muscle off
the bone.
Well, that would kinda put me down for
a while. So I'll just get straight. I'm
I'm gonna get get back into it now.
You need to slow down a little bit.
Yeah. Maybe I'm just falling apart. I don't
know. Did literally. Well, when you get 60.
Start
For those that don't know, we have Jim
Carr back on the podcast...
This is... You're the...
This is your third time, so you've been
on the podcast the most. Mh. And he
has his daughter,
Car.
We've told lots of stories about Annabel and
her elk cunning, I guess prowess. So she's
here a few, share a few stories, and
we're here to talk why
a little bit of scouting and how Jim
has 4 daughters and 3 of the 4
daughters hunt and probably 4 of the 4
daughters. A hunt.
How is... Not just hunt but murder shit.
Yeah. But yeah. And it's like, there's kids.
The difference. There's guys with 4 sons in
the 4... None of the 4 sons hunt.
Or, like, how did you cultivate
this... I guess it's... We talked earlier, like,
competitive nature in daughters because she's... You would
say she's almost a world class athlete. So
Yeah. Close to it.
Is this true? This does help when you're
hunting, of course. Yeah. Yeah it doesn't run
a little bit? Mh. Yeah. Yeah. What do
you what do you what do you run?
For track, I run the 800 meters and
the 1600,
and I like the 402.
Is 802
laps. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I love it. I
actually ended up winning state this year in
it. Oh, shit. And I the best time
in Of Idaho for it too. Oh, yeah.
So yeah. Congratulations. You're too awesome. Times stage
champion Yeah. In 800 meter. You went as
a freshman? Yeah. And a sophomore. And then
you win the mile too? Yeah. Wow.
You're going into junior? Yeah. 2 You're gonna
still... Obviously Gonna continue to do this. Mh.
You'll open it... Takes you into college? Yeah.
I wanna scholarship. Nice. You've been talking to
anybody yet.
Imagine this will be the summer. Yeah. They
can't really come to you until after your
sophomore year. Yep. Okay. But, obviously, holding 2
fucking state championships in your belt already you
gonna do alright? Yeah. Yeah. Think... I think
they're going to find you. Yeah. Yep. Yeah.
You may have to do a little bit
of, you know, we talk about a a
boy place football too, nothing like what you're
doing right now, but... I think you gotta
do a little bit of self promotion too.
Like, if there's somewhere, you do want to
go a specific college you wanna go. There's
definitely some room for...
In other words, don't just sit back and
wait for shit to fall and you're not.
Sometimes you gotta go get what you want
to. Yep. Yeah. We put Aubrey played college
basketball and we put her a reel together.
Her highlights,
and we started... Where she wanted to go
we'd send them. Mh. And tracks different because
it's, you know, it's you and your time,
Well, basketball, there's there's so many basketball players.
There's 6 8 on a team. Mh. So
it's hard to, you know, get through all
those girls to work your time.
Is your time and you can see where
you stand. So it's a little simpler, but
I'd still make a sizzle real start sending
it to police. Yeah. Luke can help you
with that. Okay. That'd be awesome. Yeah. Yeah
Yep. Definitely. Did you wanna go to a
certain place?
I know your dad that wants you to
go anywhere where he can't drive to and
make sure you're not becoming to let feel
the same? I You. I don't wanna go
away from home. I love my way so
much. Like, I'm so close to them. And
does any of the, like, Oregon states known
for football let's say or any the local
kind of Schools known for running. Oregon would
be known for Oregon. Yeah. It's... Yeah. So
then that's a goal. Really good. Yeah. Mh.
Definitely. Do like 8 hours away. I know
it's.
Yeah. That's not bad. 8 hours is not
bad. Liberal is fucked. Yeah. Yeah. You just
gotta stay strong. Yeah.
Yeah. Is there...
At any, like... I know, like, Ls isn't
You related? It's just gonna say. So, like,
is there any correlation with being in warm
weather that, basically they run better time because
they can run more? Yeah. I think it
has to do a little bit with elevation
too, Like, like, people that live in higher
elevation when they come down. To, like sea
level for a race. They do so much
better. They look like they might be worse.
But... Oh, they're like better because they've been
training up there. They go to like Colorado
and run a little bit. Northern Arizona has,
like for... They're not that big of a
school, but they have, like, the best distant
running. Mh. Yeah. For... And I don't know
what it is about them, but they... Always
kinda dominate even the national. You don't, with
the Ls you and everybody.
You can always train 2 with 1 of
those oxygen, like, deprivation masks saw. I've seen
those. Yeah. Yeah.
It's just Anything past about 10:10 yards is
too far. I can't even breathe sitting here
for the past.
Oh, and so I got it... I got
listen
tell us out of all your hunting that
you've done in your life, what what story
stands out the most in your head. What
memory do you think of most or, you
know, tell a story that that that stick
to your head.
Without outside influence. Yeah.
So last year's was pretty crazy, but the
year before that, when I got my biggest
Elk ever,
it was a nightmare, and I've I'm gonna
be honest. You that multiple times with that
trip. Yeah. It was a... You almost cried
multiple. Oh, I did. You did cry multiple.
Yeah. Be honest. It was it was not
Well tell the tell the story. So
I remember, like...
On the... So me and Wright, my dad
drove down there before us, I don't know
if he had work or something like that,
but me and Ryan drove down there, and
we started hiking up the mountain that my
dad told us to go up. But then
he was... Apparently he was trying to reach
us the whole entire time to tell us
not to go up that mountain. Oh, shit.
So we with a her goat. Yeah. With
a her go. Shit. So we hiked all
the way up there. Is just the video.
No.
Well, there was a video where somebody puts
underwear on the scope there coming on. That
was okay. Okay.
Okay. Okay. I'm with you. Go ahead. But
anyways,
so we get all the way up there.
It's fine... It's like, dark, and then Ryan's
it's like, let's like, let's eat something and
so we sat down finally. Long day of
hiking, And then all of a sudden, my
dad comes up there and he's like, we
gotta leave in about right now.
And Like, I'm not leaving. I gotta jump
in this story. Go. Yeah This was a
lot... This wasn't like, we gotta leave right
now. This was like, a hour and a
half conversation of Jim do where these bulls
were. This these elsewhere.
And we kinda knew there were some milk
up in this other spot. Where we were.
And the... And so Jim comes night
night. Like, probably midnight. Yeah yeah. And so
should we've been up early next day getting
the goats ready hiking up this hill, get
up there, and it's no, like, small feet.
I mean,
for... I mean, maybe for Annabel, Jim for
me. It's no small feet. And I'm like,
I'm... I'll I'll just stay it, you know,
I'm... I'll just stay up here and see
if there's any elk here. U.
Anyways, continue on. So he decides to stay,
and me and my dad, take off He's
like, we gotta go fast. So we start
hiking.
And
it's pitch blacks so I'm following my dad
He has the flashlight and he's like, wait
a minute. I think we're lost. We, like,
circle back around to Ryan.
I'm like, what the heck is... What do
you guys do with that?
And my like, I don't know. Oh, They're
like, oh, no. So we just take off
again. And nobody's slept. This is still the
middle of the night. Oh, yeah. This is
it's just an again. Goodness. And so we
start...
Hiking and we get into these clips, and
I'm just terrified. I'm like, happens if 1
of us slip and fall off, and then
nobody's 1 gonna be able to come and
find us. So I'm just terrified. We're hiking
all the way down and it's taking a
long time. Again, it's pitch black and it's
steep. So we're going down. So it's scary
like, who's gonna roll, you know. And so
we finally,
get down to, like, an area where my
dad said he parked the quad
because it was, like, way in there because
he couldn't drive in there with a truck.
And so we don't get on the quad
and I think that we didn't have the
key at the time. So we were using,
like, a bobby pin discount.
I left it at home.
You forgot the key. Yeah.
So using a bop Bobby Pin Right. Safety
Pants. So know I, I think.
What are you call at?
I guess a paper clip paper.
And then we take off, I remember, and
I'm just, like, so tired from doing all
this hiking,
and I just...
I think I just start to fall asleep,
but then my dad, like, were lost.
We don't know where work. Oh, yeah. No.
Then the lights turned off. And I just
undone. I'm like, mom, and we were just
driving in circles and, like, it was like,
this flat. Like, you just couldn't fit. And
I was terrified, and we tried calling my
mom and she was able to answer, but
she couldn't help us.
And I was just I was terrified. Like,
I'm like, we're gonna be lost forever, and
I tried using tried using a flashlight and
shining it to drive, but it just didn't
work. It wasn't a strong enough flight. So
it was just
absolutely terrifying. Like,
But brain into my burn into my memory.
This take from when you started on the
quad till where actually found the truck.
Hour half. Because what happened was I was
in such a hurry to get up to
you guys that I didn't bring any batteries.
So I had a the flat... I'm been
talking like, it was like a flashlight. That
was so damn. Yeah. And and in the
there's a road there, like this or road,
but you know how those roads are up
there to kinda... And you can't you couldn't
see the road. I could... I I could...
See the roads. Like, I keep driving off
at a sage rush and like,
how far were you parked from... Where was
the 4 wheeler was to the truck? How
far was that drive 20 many miles? I
was probably, like, 2 or so me. But
what happened was? We're half first? I I
kept on trying to, like, thinking I was
the road was turning. I couldn't see And
so then I just keep turning they're like,
I just say right. You know, So I
kept...
I... So did you ever find the elk
that you were supposed to be hurrying up
to find... Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We did.
So we got to the truck. Or whatever
eventually and then went to sleep and then
early in the morning, might have like we
gotta go. We're gonna be late. So we
start hiking up this not and There's a
trail, Like, there's like, a kind of a
trail. He's like, no. Gotta take the shortcut.
So we start going up. You back up
for a second. It basically, we got to
the truck and it was time to drive.
So she fell asleep in the truck, and
we drove to the But, heather... Was about
an hour drive. So we got there...
We we showed up the trail head at,
like, 04:54
40, and I was like, we are... I
got her up. I I seen a horse
trailer at the... And I I think the
guys were saddle up the horses.
I, we gotta go now. So that's when
she woke up. Yeah. So I basically got
to sleep like, how how long it took
to get there. U. So, yeah. I was
totally really tired. And then we started hiking
up the in my dad's shortcut, so we
just got point.
Can we just stop for a second He's
like. Gotta go up to the top. And
so my... Alright. So where you keep on
hiking? And then I think do we run
into people?
No. It was what happened was we found,
we got up first... Right when we got
to the ridge, Ice. About 1 of the
hurdles oaks because we had seen. And I
made you get down, and I got remember
I got mad at you. Yeah. Because I
thought you blew it. No no worries. Can
I say? Okay. So he not he started
getting Mad. He's like, what the heck wrong
with you Like, I didn't do anything. He's
like, the Elk Gone now and we... Like,
there's no more chances. And I'm like, shoot.
Can Well, ended up being some other hunters,
I think like this... Was an outfit. Outfit.
That jump with their horses and stuff like
that. Yeah.
So the herd took off, And was that
the heard that my a was in? Mh.
So I... We... I could hear It was
really loud.
And so my dad that we gotta get
ready to shoot now. And he's like, annabelle,
you shoot the biggest 1, You should the
biggest bowl and make sure it's not a
cow. And he's like, you gotta do it.
I'm like, Alright. And they're all. You guys...
You got to the top of the ridge
and you said the Elk were gone. Oh,
yeah. So and Is going a little too
faster. I am. So they they were gone.
They went down as canyon. So we had
to want about another mile. U. And we
knew they just bought them again. And we
couldn't sp down in this deep hole. And,
so we didn't... We were there. It it
was probably
noon before we spotted him again.
And what happened?
There was some. Oh,
what happened to Res some fucking bruise
I could tell there were some guys down
the down off the. Small. He looks right
in that elk.
There were some there were some guys down
in the bottom. They were bug. Remember there...
I could tell the were people.
And they whine up my... And that's whenever
I said, hey, let's
I heard them Bug, and in I crap,
we need to go and hit this spot
because his bulls are are gonna run out
of that canyon right now. So we ran
over to this
we ran over to this ridge where you
could see it across. You gotta give that
picture to put on the podcast. Yep. Yeah.
Ran over this ridge where you can glass
across. It literally, like, 30 seconds later and
it came out because I... Those people... IIII
heard people walking on a trail down though.
And you hear, you know, a person Vehicle.
Oh, yeah. And nobody didn't tolerate that right
off. So we in position and that's where
Annabel.
Though about your story about. Oh, I seen
a big born about a whole, like 60
cows. So, like... Yeah. So he's like, you
gotta shoot and so is, I think, a
thousand 24 yards away. That the elk word
running. Oh. Because I remember that. And then,
they were running, and I'm like, okay. Here
I go. And I shoot
they they east... We stopped him right before
you shot right over the top. You know,
I measured it, you know, at that little
opening. Yeah. They were able well... My dad
was able to see how far away they.
Like, I don't if I'm gonna be able
to make this. Is, like, really far. He's
like, we'll just try and send then I
shoot and then I'm not... I was, like,
the whole moment by so fast as I'm
was so nervous. I'm like, this is my
only chance to get it. And so I
I shoot and then I'm not sure if
I... Got it the first time, so I
think I shot again,
and then did they come closer or... Yeah.
So you hit the bull and ran straight
at us. Down.
All the other ones kept on running away.
And were able to get down she suppressed?
Yeah. Yeah. He ran straight out, and then
she put another shot into him. Okay.
65P.
Yep. 01:47. So you range your range of
range? Is she doing her wrong dials? I
a dial because she was set on the
And let's just let's also put this in
there because people are gonna hear, oh, a
thousand and 28 yards or whatever it was.
These girls...
Shoot a lot and annabel is an absolute
zombie on the rifle. Mh. When she points
at something,
when she shoots, her fundamentals are good enough,
it's going to probably die. Mh. So put.
I was dialing as we're going, so I
knew exactly and I were a bullet hidden.
So I doesn't. She had a good rest
in everything, but I would, you know, something
nice.
And then, yeah. So I thought I got
it and so I started celebrating and I'm
like, like, I'm like Screaming. I'm so happy
and my dad's like, we've gotta go look
for it now. U. And I said, Okay.
Dark timber. Yeah. So they're they're in rates
me. This is what I hate reaches. U.
I'm not getting the messages
in time at all and they're you never
get the messages. No. I'm in reach. I
knew they would be in reaching because I
was... My plan was to look for Elk
the next day and tell if there's was
elk where we I was at.
And I got a message from finally, like,
bolt down or something,
but they weren't coming in order.
So there was, like, I was very confused.
Yeah. And I get down to the truck,
start driving back and pop a tire.
I have the goats.
So I had to go as a Mack,
Yeah. Found the only dude in Mack
to fix a flat. Okay. It's lucky because
on a weekend, I believe. U. So they're
waiting for me anyway anyways, go through the
rest of your. Your your heartache I'm trying
to find it. I'll go ahead. Okay. So
we go down there and start looking, and
we can't find it anywhere, and I, like...
Okay. And might, like, let's just keep on
looking. So we look for about probably like,
over an hour,
and I start crying. Like, I'm like, Are
you kidding me? We've done all this? That's
an emotional moment. And it's not, like, I
was so upset. No. And so, like, 30
hours you haven't slept yet. Yeah. I have
not something a while. And so
I think my dad, like, I was really
upset and I went up and just sat
on the rock. And my dad's like, I'm
gonna go look.
And
I'm like, fine. You're not gonna find it.
But I actually started to tell, like, dad
just don't anymore. We've already looked for so
long. It's kinda pointless at this point in.
So He's like, I'm just gonna go try
again, and I'm like, okay, fine. So I
sit there. I'm just upset, obviously, and my
dad, like, if I stick 1 of my
poles in the air. That means I found
it. And I'm like, okay.
And so I'm just sitting there for a
really long time.
And then he all of a sudden starts,
like, maybe, like, 20 minutes. I... I'll, it's
been a while. But... Anyways, he start screaming.
I found it. I found it and I
just start, like, jumping and, like, screaming and,
like, I was so like tears of joy.
I was... So happy because... Moment is almost
as good as when you dropped the ball
on the first place. Oh, it no. It
was like, the best feeling ever. And so
my dad comes up to me finally, and
he said,
all, so
I thought I found it, but it was
just...
That's a branch.
I started. You're kidding. I've never heard this
part.
Crying Are you messing with her? Are you
really
the
and I'm like that
that's you sit on the rock.
And then he told me, and I was,
like, so... I was a make sure, like,
I was mad for a second, but then
I was just so happy and we finally
went there, and I was just, like, so
relieved. Like, that was so many hours of
just worry, and I don't know. And so,
yeah, that was
A lot longer than the an hour. So
we... We would happened is the when bull
ran at us when she shot again.
I seen no tracks like, he went down
to this 1 hill, so I kept checking
for blood.
And we looked every... I mean, I followed
every single way I could go. I didn't
see anything. And it was, like, man, I
know she ate it. I see him pump
up, like, you know,
it was a good shot. And then
we went up actually go walking all the
way back up the hill where she shot
from.
And I was like, looking, rick could possibly
win, And then I didn't think I thought
of the long shot there was... 1 little
way. I was like, maybe it didn't come
that way, you know, like, 1 little way
like a little hook in... Like, a little
hook. Yeah. And in. So I wind up
why I wind up looking all around again.
I kinda gave up, and I'm like, you
know, actually...
She was pretty... She would really upset really.
Mean, she was, like, broken down because I
think she... You know, a whole night and
no sleeping. So we wind up,
I was feeling really bad. You know, as
much as a good bowl I wanted to
go to waste. And I know she hit
it. And
I wind up,
actually say a prayer and wind up I'm
like, god. Just... III
gave up, and because I didn't find right.
The way I went... Didn't find it. And
so I just thought, I'm walking back to
here. I'm like, now be awesome with that
thing We just wrapped on a tree or
something,
you know, and I'm walking, and it was
a way that you would not... I could
not even imagine he woulda went. And and
Look and like, First I thought I was
saying something. The bullet, you could tell you
he went up and he fell backwards.
He only went, like, a hundred and 50
yards, but he went the total up opposite
direction you would expect. Yeah. And he had
fell backwards and, like,
bend up in a tree. Oh, shit. Yeah.
That was cool. That's quite a story. And
finally, when Ryan got up there, though, and
we finally,
cut it off, It was, like, pitch black
again. U. We start walking back down, and
it... Took a long time, and I remember...
Ryan gave me 1 of the goats to
take care of. And I was...
It was so stubborn,
And, like, my dad had, like, the the
Oc o'connor or whatever and, like, they were
all carrying this stuff. I didn't carry that
much. I don't think at that time. And
I was just, like, that go kept I'm
pulling... Trying to pull me into the river
or whatever. Like, it was just pulling me
all over the place. And it was, like,
it was a journey to get back to.
It took forever, and we ended up getting
back, like, I remember, it was like, 2
or, like, No. 444,
it was 4, and I'm Slept in the
back of the truck until, like,
really late the next day like, wow. You
definitely needed need some sleep. Because I just
went passed out. But I was so happy
that I was like, sunburn everything, but I
was so happy that next day, like, relief
and all that stuff. Nice. She said when
I get there. She wasn't happy to see
me. She was just dang happy to see
the goat. That's right. I'll be the same
way.
I was, I'm not gonna carry this... We're
not gonna take 2 trips out... What did
you get there? Oh, I got there right
at dark, holy shit. Like Had to go
into town and they weren't they weren't exactly
Close to the road. Yeah. And then I
had to reload the goats, rep put all
their painters on, start hiking in. Yeah. And
I wasn't exactly sure where he was, but
once I got to the top and it's
pretty flat and it kinda came to my
senses of how it went down.
But I'll give Jim props. He took a
man load out of there with that head.
Yeah.
I don't know what you had was well
over a hundred pounds. Yeah.
My foot... That was after my foot was
good... That was... I remember walking the the
foot was the biggest problem.
Yeah. I...
We didn't have enough quotes to carry the
whole thing or what? Not... They can't carry
that head, but he didn't we basically took
the whole head out. She's getting... She got
it mounted. So he had the head to
hide and everything.
It it was well over a hundred pounds.
Yeah. The and the ghost did good and
ability good, my...
A good day, but you did have a
lot of time on your feet. Mh.
Probably me I was. Always makes it worth
at the next day, though, probably 50 hours.
No that, but the story for later too,
like, that's the story that sticks out.
What did she end up actually hitting it?
She hit 1 and she hit... The that
second shot was really good shot. The first
shot was a little high. Mh.
But second shot was, I mean, he went
about it. It was a long shot. It
didn't went but it didn't hit in heart,
but
so went about a hundred and 50 yard,
but
and downhill, they can go downhill quickly. Yep.
Even when they're dead. Yep. But... I don't
know what it was weird how it played
in my mind where I watched him run
or when she hit him I seen him
go a different direction and he went. Like,
that 1 direction he he went. I did
not see that. I even know. Like, how
my brain played a trick on me. Yeah.
Maybe just being down there here. You seen
him go this way, but he really went
this way. What's crazy is they were... These
elk were pretty much right on the trail.
And they have a video of it. And
there was probably a hundred elk. Mh. It's
crazy. Like, they're just feeding across this big
sage brush flat. No. Yeah. And then that
was that was from a... That was up
at the top where the outfit had busted
them. Yeah. They were just actually bringing a
hundred out.
That's October. And that was October first. So
they brought a hundred out it's bow around.
It's the same tag that they have again
this here.
Okay. Okay. Yep. Same place.
2 of them. Right? Did you 2? 2.
Yeah. So it'd be Charlotte and to be
determined. Yeah.
Here's a jim drew the tag, so it
he could give it to Ana annabel or
amy.
Depends on how that arm does.
Yeah.
So as far as go back to the
beginning Ana annabel on your first elk cut,
we have a video of it. Mh. What?
Like, what do you think drives
the car girls
to go hunting? Like, most girls don't hunt?
Even if their father is a hardcore hunter
like your dad,
why do you think in your own words
that you have 3 out of your 4
and probably 4 out of 4 girls at
hunt?
So I don't know. I just know... Like,
the second I turned 10, for some reason,
I just wanted to go hunting. So bad.
Like, I saw my dad is done. Like,
ever since I was little, he'd always, like,
come home after his hunts, and I'm like,
I just thought it was so cool. Like,
I like loved it. I don't know if
people won't usually think that way. But...
And like, I said, like, like you guys
say, my sisters are pretty competitive, and So
when they see. I I do it. Oh,
they wanna do it too. Yeah. So I
think that's kinda how it all falls in,
like, oh, I'm gonna do better than you.
It's always like, who's gonna shoot the better
elk this year. You know, Not that kind
of stuff. But, like, it all started with
how bad. I always saw my dad, like,
go hunting and he's, like, that cut type
of dad that care so much. He's, like,
He wants to make it fun for you,
even though, like, we argue and stuff like
that.
I at the end of the day, I'll
get us a smoothie and say it's okay.
You know, But no. It's...
In the heat of the moment the dads
could be pretty tough. Yeah. I see gel
Jim y'all his mom.
What do you shoot at? No. He's she
didn't wanna make a shot and he's like,
mom up her waist in our freaking time.
Shoot yelp.
So that's... End of just if you think
is competitive nature. Kinda also fostered from your
dad, you know Mh. So... Does help when
you have a
a dad that pushes himself so hard he's
falling apart. Yes. Yes. And we've had never
given up. A lot of arguments. He pushes
me a lot, like,
Again. And it's really hard sometimes, but then
I'm so thankful for it because you'd see
a lot of other kids today. They're not
pushed by, like, their parents or whatever. And
even though, like, sometimes it's difficult. Like,
it's made me a better person and, like,
I've gotten to do a lot of cool
things because of it. And so I'm just
really thankful. Like... That my dad is so,
like, he wants us to do good. In
running and hunting, like, he... You can see
he genuinely cares. Mh. And he wants me
to be good. So.
Does he push you harder in the hunting
side or running tonight? Like, physically and mentally
running. Yeah. I make a lot of mistakes,
like hunting like, he gets mad me about
that kind of stuff. I'm willing to go,
like, if I'm gonna get a good Elk,
I'm willing to go wherever it, I have
to go. But with running at first, it
started, but It was so hard. My dad's,
like, you need to go run on the
treadmill, and I'm like, I do not want
to. Like, things fight every time. Mh. There's
not a lot of not only... I would
say kids.
Girl or boy. There's not a lot of
men that would stay up for 50 plus
hours and put in 20 plus miles in
that terrain. Yeah They're just not
So it's pretty cool. Would you give... What
do you got a tip for any young
females that are starting to hunt? You got
any
tips or tactics or any
words of advice?
I don't know. I guess I guess you
kinda just gotta make it fun sometimes. Like,
I pretend to... Like, I'm talking to myself
throughout the whole entire hunt. Like I'm... I'm
gonna do this now. Out loud or to
yourself. Both. We might have know him how
crazy it was like using. Hey, guys. What's
up. We'll come back to my channel. But
even if I don't how you and I'm
talking to myself about my
imaginary channel, like, make it fun for yourself.
And, like, I don't know. Find a way
to
put it in a way you like it
because obviously, it's hard, but if you put
it. In a different way or think about
it in a different way, like, this is
gonna be worth it in the end. And
I don't know Sometimes that can push you
or, like, think, I don't know. Especially if
you've done multiple hunts, you're like, okay. I
usually end up happy at the end of
a hunt. And I know this is the
hard part, but you just gotta push through,
and you'll have a cool story or or
you're you're gonna... You know,
have something cool. So that you've done. And
so I don't know if other people think
that way, but Not a lot of people
get to see L like that in the
wild either. A it's a dry... Once you
see it the first time, or you kill
a big bowl like that as fucking. It's
addict. Mh. How many bulls you on to
now? Out, in total Elk
It's
I honestly don't know. 7, but... Yeah. You've
shot at least 5 bulls. Right? Is Yeah.
At least and then
2 cows and
I don't remember how many bulls at least
5. That bull in your story is about
3 times bigger than my biggest bowl.
It's it's in their palace and it's upstairs.
It's...
Good. Is is a good.
What is what's your favorite piece of gear?
Last question? Favorite piece of gear?
Go on every hunt or it has to
go with you. Hiking poles.
Checking poles? Checking poles. Yeah. Because, like, you're
going up the seat mountains, you're gonna fall
over, if you don't have those things. And
so definitely for me. And also a good
backpack. Because when I didn't have a good
backpack, my back and hips start really bad.
Speaking that, What is that backpack because it
fits the girls? Like, what is that name
of that? Yeah. So it is Western? Start
Oh, shoot. He built it for kids as
a pro. Right? Yeah. Western
oh. I should note too he's on rock
sign. I can. Then I know it. Good.
It's a great backpack. Yeah. The game changer
for the girl. She actually packed this last
hut. She packed the most she's ever packed
out before. In the pack, you know, because
they don't make packs for kids, Mh. Or
smaller frame people. And they... Like, when we
did it before, I just felt bad all
the time because the pack is, like, you
could see just weighing on her shoulder. You
know, just totally off. The chest straps choking
them to death. Yeah. It's not even. Or
shoulders or hips are ripping it apart, you
know, But this pack,
I don't know why I can't say off
top my head Western. It's... They're out in
North Dakota. Western adventures or western outdoors. I...
Yeah. Western. I can't. Band it's right off.
We'll get,
Western packs for arcade for kids.
Yeah.
Western edge. That's it. Yep. Western edge gear.
It's amazing how well that fit you and
emmy. Oh, it's actually comfortable. Like, compared to
the other backpacks I've had to take. Oh,
and even just by itself, like, I feel
like it just... Fits to the point where
it's like I can put more weight on.
But before it's like, weighing me down and
I'm just like, I'm gonna fall down the
mountain if I'm not, you know, but I
don't have it un uncomfortable. So. It's made
a big difference.
That's part about being the oldest annabel, You
don't get the hand down. You know now.
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Well Jim, we should pivot to Scouting. And
Right. Scouting expert.
Yep. We literally had Dion on last week
and he said, yeah. You're you're a guy
to listen to.
I don't know if he's right or wrong,
but he said...
So it's it's July
twelfth.
Going Scouting, and what are we looking for?
It's it's a good time to be out.
This the last couple... It was this heat
right now that we have is kinda...
Slows things down a little bit, But,
yeah. It's time you wanna be out Scout.
Is there any particular things you look for
like, as far as train features or you're
going up to look for Are they still
red pretty dang red color? Yeah
Higher the higher country are like, so some
of that lower stuff, you know, you get
drier... They... Are they start to blend in
a little bit more. Where I like to
hit the green, you know, because I was
just up the other day and they were
really red. So the high country, they're... It's
prime time for high country right now. The
high country just opened up.
And the bucks are just moving up there,
and I always find animals when they first
get to their summer range.
They're out. They're eye out a lot more
than they are, You know when they get...
I feel like they get their fat put
on and they, you know, than they start
to, like,
kinda change their habits a little bit. So
I'm always been a fan of earlier scouting
better.
So, like, say, you got a lower country,
like, couple weeks ago up Scouting. Maybe it's
more in a couple weeks now.
Yeah. I'll pull up. And I was finding
good bucks. I was pretty... I was pretty
excited about it. We didn't actually get a
tag in the area, But,
and that was a little bit lower country,
and they're the... They pop so we're good
against the, you know, the green terrain. Now
that's already dried up. You know, so they'll
still pop. But right now, the high country
is that, you know, is really green, and
the bucks are just, you know, pulling up
into,
pulling home right now. It was a good
time to be fine now. So it is
like mid July. How do you... Even early
July I just that... I'm just fine when
they first get to their they're they're home
for the rest of summer. Mh. Almost feel
like they're... I feel like they're like, a
kid in candy shop for a couple weeks.
And that's the early June, mid June. However,
right now, is like, my countries July, early
July. And and not that they won't be
always visible and spot. I just find out,
like, that early part where they opt that
new shoots coming up, You know, they're that...
At home. I just see... I see bigger...
Yeah, I see him a little more quicker.
You know?
Do you change your method for Elk to
deer?
Yeah. Elk. I mean, I'm looking more at,
it's a good time to Elk, you know,
the Elk tend to, you know, the bucks
when they hit home. They're using in that
area.
They elk, you know, like, like in, you
know, depending like, in even high country, lot
of the calories are, you know, they're down...
You know, they're down you know don't, c
and steel. You know, they're just coming out
now. So I find elk move around a
little bit. I'm more looking for terrain and
you'll find a battle or herd of bulls
up high, you know, and then cows pull
up. So like... There's still some movement going
on with without.
Do you change, like, so mid July right
now? Do you change your basically your you
strategy in August at all? Or you're looking
for the same general. I'm looking for the
same general areas. I like to I like
to, in the the best time to hit
a new area. I feel is
earlier. You know, Like, if you're gonna scout
a new basin or a new country.
Like, that earlier. That way you're... You have
a better... III considered all your odds. Say
you're going to a new country.
And like I've said before, maybe on this
podcast is the like, sometimes you have
you know, Feel like there's a window of
the time where those bucks are
out more.
You know, you wearing even bulls out more
feeding more they're easier to see. That's why,
like, early seizing. Early scouting to at least
find out where they're at because when it
dries up and they get a little bit
more wary in your terrain. Mh. They seem
to be out less. So
You might have to... They might still be
there, but you have to look a lot
hard to find them. And if you don't
know they're there, and you're looking at new
terrain, I'd rather find bucks that pop real
quick. Then, you know, it's it's always easier
to look hard in an area that you
know there's bucks than rather... Okay. I think
there might be bucks in this country. So
you just tend to look a little bit
less hard, I think. Know, But if you
knew they were in there, you're gonna look
harder. I'm gonna look in that glass a
lot harder. And if you expect to see
something, I think it's just that confidence. I
expect I'm gonna see something here. You So
then you can... You'll be glass and harder
behind trees, you know, where you need to
be glass versus, like, I don't have a
clue if they're freaking anything in you're or
not. So you know, like, to put the
effort fork the glass.
To make it worked it, you know? And
you're talking earlier when when Jake was talking
about. This early season deer tag,
he used the moon a lot can you
kinda explain that? Yeah. I just... I mean,
I'm... I don't I don't know for for
deer,
especially boxes you can blow it up a
little bit Rhett?
Even even even a
even bulls, I just find a little bit
more consistency with that new moon. I've seen...
I see some great days with a full
moon. But I've also had... And and I've
also had on a full moon in a
spot out. For instance like,
say my 1 brothers hunt.
We seem like, where do we see it?
We seen a ton of bucks that after
late afternoon? Is that a full moon? It's
full moon? Oh, yeah. There was the morning.
40 bucks. Yeah. In the morning? The morning
before, we see, like, maybe 2 bucks. The
next morning,
full moon, first thing in the morning I
get up after we packed that buck out.
40 I glanced everything. I seem too dear
in the whole mountain. Because they just ain't
out. Like, they have a less consistent... You
know, they may might of fed all night,
and then
They might they might be more... They might...
They might there might be days that they're
more out in the evening time and they're
not out in the morning time. You know
there's just a little less consistency whenever you
have a dark, it's usually
more consistent first thing in the morning, they're
gonna be out for a couple hours You
know. It's just a consistent thing rather than
You know. Like, I looked there was 40
bucks we've seen the night before. And I
looked that whole mountain ridge over. Again, the
next morning to see him through any just
fine. No. There was nothing. You know. So
this consistency, you know, this is September 20
24 here. So you're right about the beginning
of the of the month there. Yeah. With
a new moon on the third. So that
that time right there is gonna be the
best because they don't have any light that
night to be feeding. Yep. So they're gonna
be out like you said, consistently
consistently in the morning. So if we hunt
that next week, that'd be a good... Yeah.
And and I know people have... I mean,
I mean, we... You know,
full moon or no full moon you gotta
go and you gotta go. But. And you
can have just as good and luck. I
mean, you see more bucks on a moon,
but I'm just saying that consistency. You, you're
gonna have a crappy morning. Like, I I've
had more crappy,
you know, like, you get to a basin
you wanted a glass for a long time
and you go up there in full mood
and You think there's nothing in there. And
then you go back a week later 2
weeks later,
and I've had it, you know, I've seen
30 bucks in the basin
and and we go back. It just happens
to do full moon, I'm not even thinking
about it. In any of the temperature differences
make a difference too, you know if it's
hot. We're cool.
I've also had it where we're go and
you're expecting to see all these bucks and
then you don't see anything, so you lose
that confidence in there. Mh. You know, or
we didn't see anything we went back, and
then I've had a... But 1 of my
best spots. I just happened to go there
during her full moon.
The first time I've been in there could
it look great to me.
And I didn't see Jack. Mh. But the
only thing The reason I went back there
again because I've seen tracks everywhere. Was like
you he was tracked up, but I'm, so
I went happened to go back there, you
know, actually during the season.
And I was like, man, I'm just gonna
try it. And we went in there we
seen, I, 30 bucks. It 1 of the
best hunting days ever. Mh, but it was
a spot that I had scout during the
summer on a full moon.
I didn't see anything. Something like I seemed
like a 1 cow pop out of the
timber. No. They would go back and it
loaded it up. But you don't know. But
but I knew that... Being... Another thing when
you're scout, and you're always looking for sign,
You know, like, no matter what during day.
If you're walking. You're looking. You're like, okay,
Just tracks all over here. Is nothing in
here. You know? You're always getting a picture
no matter what you're doing. Like.
Even when you're driving to, you know, driving
roads, you're always looking what you might wanna
be checking out in the evening, so you're
not wasting time, you valuable time, but You're
definitely always looking at the train and, like,
you'll look at and you see bunch of
old crap everywhere. Yeah. Good indication it might
just be winter range. But, Yeah. So Like
in this situation, if we were gonna go
Scout... We we should probably go Scout next
month during the new moon time frame there,
and then you're gonna know kinda what to
expect the next month. Yeah.
Yep. I like the... I like the new
moon. I mean, if you have if you
can control it. Now there's other things that,
like I said, like, to say it just
happens to be the beginning part of the
month, it happens to be, like, a hundred
degrees versus like... And then in middle, it's
black cooler, you know, that temperature will make
a difference for sure. Mh. And then
if you get... And then if you know
there's a bunch of fires coming and fires
could that unravel all this, you know, with
Scott with smoke. You know. That can unravel
everything. There's there's things Yeah. That's another reason
to go earlier than later. Yeah. I've had
areas I waited to go scout.
You know, you go wait to go scout
later and
you go, I'm gonna go Scout this in
August or whatever and then all set in
fires just get, you know, start burning somewhere
and, you know what happens with happens. Mh.
So
we have when Dion on.
I'm not a far from a mule dear
expert. I I like Elk a little more.
But I'm always looking for deer when I'm
looking for elk. And I noticed
the first 10 days
when they're velvet,
dear.
I see him pretty much every day. Mh.
As soon as they pop their Velvet off,
I don't see him as much. My thought
was, I've what Heard is like, insects and
all different kinds of things that they they
start hitting the timber. They're not because so
concerned about being out in the open,
what is your thoughts on why they kinda
disappear from those big opening areas they were
in previously? I'll say the insects,
insects, but also,
like, their their horn... You know, they they
like to be... They probably... I don't think
they like rubbing their horns against brush whenever
they're in velvet, you know,
then they go... They'll they'll move down into
the timber a little bit more, you know,
later broad, I think because they don't like
that. You know, when whenever it's,
whenever they have that velvet in there and
they're... Though they're more apt to be vetted
up under, you know, behind a scrub pine
or something, you know? And it's just probably
just because they don't have... They're not wack.
Ant answers all the time on stuff. Yeah.
And, like, D,
phenomenal hunter, but he doesn't hunt a lot
of the stuff that we hunt. And where
we're gonna be hunting for this tag that
Jake's daughter has. And these are like, fucking
hunting
close to black tails, man. They're not very
out very long. They got fucking tons of
timber to hide in. So it's very difficult
after that the shed or this who they
shed that velvet, it's hard to find them.
Oh, It is. Definitely. And and the thing
about it. Here where we're we're on is
is their feed sources, that's 1 thing about
down there, you know, some a lot of
other classic new country. They have
more feed sources that are just... They haven't
be... They're open... You know, they're can be
open up here.
They get their brushes and stuff from it
don't have to be open. You know. Mh.
You know, obviously, they like a little bit
more sunlight, you, for me, you know, because
you get more shrubs and stuff, but they
could... Appear to the consistency if they don't
have to go to this open basin to
get their food because there's not a... You
know, there's not a lot of it. So
do you think they don't make
big moves of I've asked Robbie of Sd.
They're probably still within that mile. They're just
more timber up. Yep. Yeah. I think the
deer... Especially up here. They don't migrate very
for at all. They just go down slow.
You know, they're not they're not going to
a winter range, like, some areas, you know,
there's areas down, other spots that I go,
they're, you know they're they're 60 mile 1
range. You know? Mh.
These ones pretty much live where they live.
So they're they're gonna work their way up
to their summer basin, and then they're work
then they'll kinda have a faster track back
down to their their winter range, you know?
Well these ones are
just slope differences.
Then
The other thing I got a question for
you is you've told me multiple times that
a certain burn came back that was deer
friendly came back Elk friendly or vice versa.
What what does that mean?
It just... So,
you know, until you get in there, you
can't really tell. You know, there's... It may...
They might all look really green. Some of
them don't. But
and some... You know, they're elk typically like
different foods and mule, you know, you you
you get a lot of grasses,
So, usually burns come back out friendly quicker.
You know, you got a lot more other
grasses and certain forbes that they're eating.
Come up right away. I mean, can you
look glass across at a Canyon and on
a fresh bird and say, oh, that's definitely
gonna build. Yeah. You can. And you move
you're looking for is, like, the type of...
You do gotta know what is growing back.
I've been tricked 1 time on it. There
was an area that had burnt, and it...
What it had a brush at the deer
light.
And the... You know, so I always founded
deer around that brush no matter what. And
I went...
First time I went look at it. I
looked at it from afar, you know, because
I wasn't I was I wasn't really scouting
yet I had to go do something, but
I was driving and I pulled over, where
I can see the bridge from a, you
know, 5 miles away or whatever. And I
I put a spotter up there and I
glass, and I've seen all that brush. Oh
my gosh, sweet that brush came back. I
thought it did. But a total different brush
had grown up there and when I actually
went up there to go look for mule,
because it was always a meal spot not
Lx spot. Yeah and I wanna went up
there. I no brush was totally different. And
was, like, it was the same color looked
in the same spots, but it was a
different brush. You know?
And it came back right away and it
was.
There were so many elk up there,
the Elk eating that brush, but the deer
weren't touching it, and I didn't see hardly
any deer. And then that burn,
really never came back to
I I feel... I think it burnt a
lot harder, harder.
So they actually never came back,
completely for mule. A lot of the brushes
they had before, and they come back. I
don't know if they got scorched.
And then, you know, there's some
There's a couple other elk carriers,
a couple of areas that came back really
good for Elk that I know of. And...
But the deer... You know, the deer had...
The deer brush take longer to grow. Well,
they might take 5 years. So a couple
areas I've noticed they they came phenomenal to
your country, like, way better than they'd ever
been before. But all these brushes that maybe
just as a little bit of a in
there. I don't know if the fire spread
brush around, but that some
allowed these brushes to thrive, and, you know,
getting rid of that timber.
And then these brushes came back and the
mule just... I mean, you you could look
at the patches
and the mule are gonna be on those
patches. You know? So you just look at
the brush. Okay? I see that brush Just
gonna be deer there. Deer there, You know,
you look at another burn what look might...
Somebody might see it looks as good as
that burn. But you look at it, And
when you get in there, you notice the
deer ain't touching that stuff, You know,
And and so that they're not gonna be
at a place They don't wanna eat, you
know?
So you talked about
scouting for a, let's say, early season tag.
What about scouting in the same situation, you
know, with this tag we're talking about, But
but you you strike out on the early
September week.
And you're gonna do some scout for the
the writing week. Yeah. So
1 of 1 of the things you go
on look at, what I... I mean... Looking
at the whole time you're scout when you're
driving up there. You wanna be looking for
access. Mh. And then look for win range
stuff too, you know where you're on, you
know, where where these deer going to? It's
always has a store. You'll see you look
on side of the mountain, and you'll see
game trails, You know? I'm always just taking
account of these things, and you wanna look...
You don't wanna also think about access say
you got a lot of snow. I mean,
there might be spots you're not gonna, you
know you're gonna get to. So you're looking
for
your
places that look like you can hunt you
effectively. I'd rather go in a spot that
I look like... Know, like, I'm... You know,
if you could think you can hunt it
versus the you think you can it. Like
mh, like, say just a a nasty freaking
ridge that you don't think you can hunt.
You mean, you're looking for spots that look
like they'd be fun to hunt. Okay. We're
good on effectively. But you're also... You know,
you gotta think that there's gonna be deer
there or whatever you're looking for. So I'm
always looking for,
you know, the spots you can hunt effectively
as you're going, but you're also looking for
those game trails. Like, if there's a bunch
of game trails that you could tell that...
The winter wintertime they're down? Mh. That's a
good that's a good indication. You know? Okay.
So... So when they're moving, how does the
rut coincide with moving to winter range?
Snow depth sometimes, you know, So that them
there's definitely a lot of things that, you
know,
that come to play depending on the area.
Like, you know, like, the bucks that we're
gonna be looking at. They don't move a
long ways to,
for your for your daughter's type. U. They
don't move a long ways the winter range.
So you're gonna be looking for nose.
And a lot of times, they're only gonna
move down a little bit, You know? So
we're not talking
big best.
Majority. But but but what you're gonna be
looking at we're saying in the early season
we're we're hunting the top of the ridge
or we're where we're finding the deer at.
Mh. You're gonna be looking for Okay. These
deer... If they get you get 2 or
3 feet of snow up here, you deer
are gonna probably pull down into this... And
that's where we found a lot of these...
Bucks that we found, in November, Know, they
might have been a little bit higher in
September or, you know, early, but they just
moved down to these brush fields stocks you're
looking for those, like, brush fields that the
deer are gonna like. See an Office brush
and not? U. You're gonna be looking... Okay.
They're gonna probably pull into here. And and
then you gotta kinda just kinda... Yeah. Estimate
Dolby in that. So generally kinda of the
worst the terrain, the worst the country you're
hunting in the less the deer are gonna
move between summer and winter range. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. We don't have we don't have we
don't have deer... We don't have winner range
up here. That's why we have a limit
to supply at meal. Mh. And we don't
have, like, download low... Yeah. The order brush
fields. Gotcha.
Correct. Too much timber.
Gym.
II1
more question for you.
How many phones has your dad broker lost?
So many. They just drop out of the
car and then oh, crack.
Oh,
he's gone through so many phones.
My mom's gone through, like,
2 or 3. Like, she only gets a
new phone when that phone doesn't work anymore.
My dad just like, oh, dropped this phone
to it. Like, last year he dropped his
phone into the lake.
And which
he's... I need that phone. I need to
make some important calls and be, like, try,
like, searching down there and, yeah, he basically.
At least the nice thing about phones today
is everything just kinda transferred Acr remember we
were getting, like, the first iphone or the
flip phone or the Nokia and shit where
you... You were just asked out. You had
to re input everybody's name, where re put
all their phone numbers back in all that
shit. And then they had some cables and
some little doo ads that would transfer shit.
Now it's just clicking. Yeah. Your phone is
replicated.
No problem.
So I let Jim my Bt.
But yeah.
And I guess get it back from him,
and there's some issues.
I told you that.
I dropped it.
Do you just drop it. So he bent
both... Of the eye cups eye.
Okay. It is on a 95.
Oh, shit. At t x.
There's no scope cap anymore. Either there's no
scope cover at the front anymore. And there's
this big... I don't know if I told
Him this there's this big slit in the
front glass.
So I just send it all the sw.
U.
And they
sent me a message back and they're not.
They're pretty professional, but basically, they said, I
broke every lens but 1.
Face every lens but 1 inside the beach
x 95
system has to be replaced. And did they
fix it all? They fix it and Jim,
you know, I told Jim charge to charged
it up. Fix it. No problem. Okay. They
charge you to fix it. Oh, yeah. They
charge. How much damage are we talking about
here? 900 bones. Oh.
Ami at June. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah at least you got fresh glass
out of the deal. Yeah. It's pretty fresh.
What you notice he keeps j me about
brown it again. Yeah.
Well now the glasses do we can see
better. Yeah. Maybe that, maybe he did your
favor. Yeah... I'm updated now. There you go.
Yeah.
What happened? What happened to those things? Well,
I went up, you know, how Been... Know
don't I have those slick tripod pods. I
went through quite a few though, You don't,
the leg break, why I when the legs
go floppy on me.
It I was on this I was on
the glass on these rocks. You, it'll probably,
like, 20 feet down. Anyways, those glass on
the rock,
you know, for familiar in a, when of
the legs won't flop up, you know that
thing's, pop heavy. Yeah. That they heavy. Yeah.
It they just flipped My gosh. Does he
get, like, the 06:24 out there with a
fucking 15 pounds set on top? 06:34. I
think 6.
Yeah
harder for. All fucking cumbersome. Yeah. The reason
you like Slick the because Slick has, like,
a guarantee basically warranty. I I've had I've
had fix a couple 06:30 fours. And if
you crack 1 of those legs, they just
fix it for you. Yeah. He did have
a leg took him forever to fix Yeah.
Oh, really. Yeah I Don't know it was
from the Covid stuff or wherever I never
got it back. I took forever to get.
So I... It goes to California.
Well, they were saying they were missing some
parts from some like.
Okay. That's Always tell me and Robby have
Jim stories because Robby known Jim Long I
have. And Robbie Says, Jim Jim could fuck
up an an.
Well, I think it's fine too because... When
I first started out with you. We get
a bed of this spot, and Ryan's like
walking all over in these circles And I
said, what the fuck you do he goes,
it's the circle of gym.
How about lose it. I didn't know you
at the time. Right the, you know, it
all kind of cave to fruition after a
while. We we learned what the circle of
agenda was. But Jim is... 1 of the
best scouting hunting people that I've ever met.
He's also got the worst case of Edd
I've ever met. Mh. Yeah. So it's it's
part of the deal.
Well, we run into an hour. You guys
have any... Do you have any more questions,
Jake?
Well, I get... We we did talk about,
so we pretty much covered how to scout
for for that tag and
What about... Do you ever do any east
scouting? Yeah. Definitely I'm old do. Yeah yeah.
So I do. I like, I mean, Have
a, like, during off season? No. I...
I'm obsessed with it, you know, like, they'll
always looking for spots, but you gotta... Like,
you can't just find a spot on the
gale East Scouting. Mh. And you gotta you
gotta kinda correlate that with the country you
actually see, You know? If you can look
at Google or whatever all Day on? Mh.
And then until you can... Unless you you'd
already know the country, you know what the
what the drain you know what, you know,
what you're looking at. And so I mean,
it's a good tool. Mh. The least you
know what... You know, what it kinda looks
like. But until you go in there and
you go, okay, this brush. I'm looking at.
This is what I'm looking at. I've seen
areas that, you know, it'll look great on
Google Earth and you go to them under
Oh, yeah. The just a drain don't use,
you know? Yeah. So it's it's it's just
it's a good tool though. But it it
helps you eliminate a lot of countries. Like,
in this situation, if I... You know, if
I hired you to go Scout out for
this tag, for example, are you... You're just
gonna rely on your local knowledge at the
moment, or you're gonna do East out East
out East county first because, like, a a
lot of, you know, they're they're getting more.
Man. It's... I kinda don't like it. Yeah.
Be it because then it loves everybody else
to have you amazing and stuff, but... Yeah.
They're coming out with new features all the
time, you know, like, you know, like, all
this lidar shit and... Yeah. Well, new features,
you know, you're able to see,
you know, you you know, more real time,
you know, closer to the actual year, you
don't in in and with the. Mean, like
the images and stuff are refreshed more often.
Yeah. And then you got, you know, like,
until you get more refreshed in images, like,
say a burn burns.
And a lot of times, you, before, you
might not be able to see it
even a couple years ago, you couldn't you
wouldn't know what the burn looked like? You
might know what burnt, You know, Like, he's
looking on Onyx and it shows... Oh hey,
there was a fire in this area. U.
But until you act she go physically see
it. You don't really know until it refresh.
You can even pay for a fresh skin
now. You can pick an area. Right? Ryan?
You so Mark say, Mark say? Yep. We
did a whole podcast on East County The
saying, basically, you can pick this area. You
can literally pay for a live satellite up
feet of that of that area. Yeah. So
it it just allows it a lot more.
So is a bit definitely a good tool
that be kinda wasting a lot of
miles on if you didn't have.
When I start a Scout,
well, I've been when I I kinda I
got stuff scouting early. You know? It...
It was all about map. I had maps.
There no there were no images. No. And
then I remember...
Okay. I think this basin is gonna be
open here or this is gonna base and
kinda looking and you just have to go
go freaking and hiking in here and go
see. You might be just disappointed. This disappointed
a lot, You know, hawk that's crap. Ain't
gonna see nothing there then you get to...
You know, so so now it's just got
better easier and easier for everybody, which
it it... It's... I I guess it's good
for a as a whole, but, you know,
for individuals to shine out. I think it's,
you know, the gaps closing. Yep. You know?
Yep. Onyx is showing more you know, access
points. You guys were able to shoot further.
Yep. And then just, like, access points that
you had to, like, kinda figure out on
your own before, now you could pretty much
look at Onyx and, oh, hey. I can
get in here. I can get in here.
I can get in here, You know, And
it makes it... You know, just a lot
easier for the, more casual guys than
Yeah.
Don't only... Jim Kid, He he would rival,
Mark let say and what he does Es.
Bet. He'd, like, what lot of the stuff
that I watched and got.
From his east scouting marks east scouting, class
Jim's already. Nobody. He's pretty nerdy. Yeah. I'm...
1 of the things like, when I was
out in the. Did I'd be sitting on
your front. Could sit on looking at maps
or Google or I could sit on there
for, like, hour. Like, it doesn't like it's
like, fun. But what you show, like you
show me something send me something like, like
a video gave I is I'm like, hey.
What is just route? I measure ralph. Okay.
Oh, that would be a cool way to
get up there.
You know? What's funny about Jim is, like,
the tools that he showed me be like,
I... He would send me someone like Well,
what the fuck is that? Yeah. So then
Go like, he's walt's right there and Go
figure that out and I'm like, damn. So
you'd have spent hours.
As on Google earth. Mh. Yep. Definitely When
I'm when I'm when I was away from
you know, like an, like, not able to
scout physically, Be.
Okay. I'm wanted... That's... I guess the the
strong point to Adhd is, like, you can
focus on certain things that you like to.
Everything else kinda like, falls the away wayside.
Extremely focused at 1. Yeah. My last my
last question for you, Annabel. Mh.
I have a daughter that is is a
similar age to you, and I'm curious,
do you know what you wanna do for
a living when you grow up, I mean
this at at this age of 16, you
gotta realize that the world's approaching you pretty
quickly. Yeah. I'm sure your dad's preparing you
in his own way. But do you see
yourself
like
in today's, like, not being able to afford
a house, that kind of thing, focusing on
college, trying not to pay too much for
college, trying to get a scholarship and all
that. Do you see yourself?
Staying at home
for an extended period of time? I mean,
more than the age of 18, let's say?
Or do you have an idea of what
you wanna do for a living
I... What what what is it? What does
it? What does it look like in a
16 year old girl's brain? I don't know.
I...
I don't, a lot of kids. I don't
I don't know my age wanna move out
and there ready to go and be on
their own. But I'm really not. Like, I,
like, love being at home and stuff like
that.
But I've been asking my mom Like, what
should I do when I grew up? I
just can't figure it out because I'm just
like,
I... I'm not a big school person, so
anything that I do is gonna have to
be something like, I have a little bit
of 80 issue that my dad has. So
I, like, have a hard time focusing on
things.
Okay. A lot.
I have a hard time focusing on things
that I don't really necessarily care about. So
I feel like if whatever I do, I...
It's gonna be have to be something I
really love to do. Because if it's not,
I don't think I'm gonna be able to
perfect it or even try. And so that's
why I'm just... I've been, like, running through,
like, what kind of things am I good
at that I could... Du for a career.
Mh. I just can't. You don't know yet.
No. I don't. Wow.
Well, let's say that you get a scholarship
and you go run track it, at Oregon
state for 4 years and you do fantastic,
and then,
you know, you leave but you well, obviously,
you gotta pick... You gotta pick some point
of direction when you go to college. Right?
Like, you gotta point at teaching or pointed
at this or that and I think I
wanna get, like,
something for business. Like, I either wanna own
my own business. Mh. Or I don't know.
Like,
definitely a business because my dad owns a
business, and it's like, I know it can
be stressful sometimes, but it seems kinda nice
to
be able to control your own, you know,
what you do instead of being stuck onto
somebody else's
at, like, hours or whatever,
Well, you're kind of in a room of
business owners at the moment. So... Yeah. So...
It is it's a whole another world than
a than a 9 to 5 for somebody
else. Yeah. It definitely becomes addict. Like, imagine
the 3 of us. Probably I don't wanna
go work for nobody else anymore once you
do your own thing. Yeah. Employ. Yeah. It
is. It is a lot of fucking... It's
a it's a shit ton of work.
It can be
it can feel un rewarding it sometimes and
the stress level can go through the roof,
but I don't think I'd have any... You
gotta be the certain type of person to
be cut out for it. There are people
that
can't handle that level the stress or hours
worked and things like that. But if you're
tough like your dad. Sure you'd be. I'm
sure you be just finding nothing else more
rewarding though, you know, as as a whole
as as having your own thing. Yeah. Like,
my when my dad used to work for,
like... Like, the oil company, like, when he
was on, like, 2 weeks on 2 weeks
off. It was really hard, like, he was
obviously working for someone or, like, for this
place. And what as soon as he switched
over, like, I I know there's been stressful
times, but it's been a lot better. Like,
I've been able to see my dad a
lot more, like, He's just been around a
lot more and
it's stressful sometimes time, but the same time
it's not. Because when you wanna wanna go
to... When you wanna go on a trip,
you don't have to, like, be like, well,
I have to go do this. You can.
I don't know. You can kinda find your
way around it. And so it's been kinda
cool to watch my dad go from working
for someone to having his own business, and
it's encouraging. So Yeah. Makes me wanna have
my own business too. So another aspect of
it. Aubrey was glad that I had my
own business because
I could go to all of her sporting
events. That's big thing. And people underestimate that
too. Oh, yeah. The the kids have...
Across country stuff has been
insane amount. There was no... I would miss...
I would missed
2 thirds of their meats, you know? And...
Because you were working 2 weeks on 2
weeks off? Yeah. And and... And even when
I was working you know, construction. You know?
I mean, that would be even last, you
know, there... So there is, you know,
I I make it a point... Because I'm
kinda,
I basically take their, like, their sports almost
as an investment, You know, I'm not gonna...
III
put it as a high priority my, you
life, so I'm not gonna...
So I I do make sure I make
those things happen,
where I had no control over that before,
you know?
Well said, we wanna to. If you ever
if you ever wanna come have the life,
you know, live live a few days in
the life of a business owner, I'm sure
you can do this shit with your dad,
be welcome to come around here or hang
on with Ryan and myself and see what
it takes to. Oh, yeah. That'd be awesome.
I love that. Yeah. He way under than
roof or she rocking. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Probably
she probably quitting. Does she... That's right? Be
that's why.
That's last she said she could come hang
out, it makes some guns and shit or,
you know, you can come back in Sara
for a little while or whatever. We have
we got another young lady your named Emily,
who comes and she works summers here in
the Circle department. So... That's cool. Yeah. You
can always hang out and see if it's
something you'd wanna do.
I wanna see in the Olympics. I know
that's. That would be awesome too. 4 years.
That's... So so she didn't say what she
wanna, but I know that's the only things.
To like, they're, like, in her brain, like,
she hasn't got past that. Like, yep. Oh,
I'm gonna run professionally. I no other there
ain't no other...
Thought you would say it, but that's what
cheap you at the moment. Yeah.
I don't wanna sound like I'm like oh,
I'm gonna... That that's literally, like, ever since
I started running. I wanna go to the
Olympics 1. I wanna be a professional runner.
Mh. Because it's 1 of those things. That's
like, yeah at first, it was a little
rocky, but when I got hooked onto it,
I love it now. Like each race, it's
hard, but, like, you just love the feeling.
You know? Mh. And when I started to
see progress, that's really when I started to...
I didn't used to be very good, but
as I see myself going up. It's just...
It's really cool. And I love it. That's
your fucking old. Don't let it go. Yeah.
And it's like, I get my... Sorry. My
my dad, like, you guys say he's, like,
obsessed, like, you know, like, looking for mountains
and stuff like that. He's, like, obsessed with
statistics or however you say it or whatever.
But anyways, he'll come out of, like, their
room who the okay, Got all these times.
He got he's gone through each person. Looked
at their times for the year. Yeah. A
pac pass. This is how fast you gotta
be to make it. Yes. He like, he
got it down like, he... Oh, my goodness.
It's crazy. Like, he won't he can't load
the dishwasher. Can't the clean up after himself
after he makes himself a sandwich, but he
can come out and tell us every single
time of the person that's gonna be in
my race. Nice. That's thought I love it
though. That's a dad's job. Yep.
I found out real quick with jim. He
is a numbers driven human. Mh.
He met he's a math.
Yeah. I know.
Nice.
Anything else any parting shots?
Yeah. So I guess, real quick on 1
of the things that, you know, to get
the girls?
I, you know, how... You, they all wanna
hunt with me and spend time. It was
kinda...
I I was thought when I was... I
grew up with 9 bra brothers. And so
I was thought, I'd have ways to go
hunting with and train for football. That. I
was... I love football when I was younger
and thought... So then that's where the training
for the track came in. But
I like, Anna bell. I involved her, like,
as soon as she could be on a
backpack. She was in she was going with
me in the mountains and just trying to
made it made it, like, the whole time
we... She was growing up with
making that at something that I want her
go do with me. You know, making it
fun, and we're just making her be out
there with me, not like, Oh, hey. When
you turn 10, we're gonna go honey. And
it was like, it was pretty much a
part of her role life going up, you
know?
So later, so she would she would see
me bring animal home, so she would wanna
go mess with the guts or whatever, you
know? So she she wasn't scared of anything
because she'd been around it a lot. You
know? Yeah. I made at a point they
have her go you know, with... Hey, well,
plan with guts could make or break a
hunter, I guess. If you're afraid of blood
or a afraid of organs, you know, that
could
I could mess it up for you other.
I said I wanna be a surgeon. And
my mom's like, are you... Like, I used
to say I'm like, I'm gonna be a
surgeon, like, a doctor. And my mom's like,
are you scared of that kind... Definitely like.
No. Yeah. Only problem would be the learning
part I think. Yeah. But I'm not scared
of any of that kind of stuff in.
I was a weird kid. I told my
parents. I wanted to be a friend. Pathologist
was basically doing eye top.
Yeah. I. That's shit. It doesn't mess them
yet at all. Yeah. Yeah.
Thanks for coming on. Yeah. Thank you. Appreciate
you guys. Yeah. Alright. Thanks, Listen. Alright. Thanks.