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Oh god. Wild dash Idaho hope wild underscore
Okay. So so recently, you did the scope
drop test and you were? Yeah.
I'm proud Dropped me some m. Did. So
this
to me that shared it. I was proud
of them. It did well, it stirred some
shit to me like, Reading man's doing that
right like so people. There was a guy
who said it was not ethical to drop
my gut.
What kind of fuck a deal doesn't think
it's ethical
your equipment So it's more ethical to have
a shitty scope that doesn't work. That's lot
just mains stone.
Welcome.
Thank you for joining us today on this
session.
I understand that your urges have been increasing
dramatically,
when it comes to shooting and killing things.
Some may say it's comparable to
Joe Biden urges
fond the little ones.
Can
that is
Rest assured because today we embark into the
world of shooting and hunting,
joining us now.
Jake Bo
and ryan avery.
The host and then c host.
We we had to explain what colored c
was to Jake fun. His mind went dark
quickly. We had to get it back on
the road. This intro because, there's somebody here
that loves killing. Yeah. In fact, has quotes
about killing, and, dreams about it all fucking
year long,
mister DDA
mu.
Yep. Damn.
Nailed it.
Nice. It takes a while. Yeah. I then
Joe Biden to talk about Joe. We just
had Joe Biden, you know, on a debate.
Sniffing them kids. Yeah. Sniffing kids.
Anyways. I'm I'm proud to say he just
got... He he wasn't even Trump, he fucked
himself. Biden fucking himself. They're all full of
shit. I like the part where Trump said
he didn't even know he was He's like,
I don't know. I don't what he said.
I don't think he knows what when he
said either. When he starts battling, he looks
over at him I'm like, what the fuck
is he guy he was even keeping a
straight face though. Like, while he was double
all over himself, I just fucking with the
straight face. I only saw the parts that
came into highlights on Instagram. Oh shit. Like
pretty much Trump look forward the whole time,
but when when that old Joe start Ba,
he'd be like,
what you talk about Willis?
Not geez.
We we know we were not. We are
not good hosts because last time we offered
him some whiskey. Yeah. But we know he
doesn't drink. No. Dude... But We we even
offer him some whiskey? That's true? Do you
want some whiskey? III am on vacation.
Really? What's up? Did I heard 1 where
you guys talk about nobody ever takes the
whiskey.
Whiskey last time we On fuck. I'm gonna
go. I'm gonna go find the ice. Hold
Alright. You gotta do your getting pause or.
No. No. We'll keep going.
The funny thing is is we've probably had...
What do we about, like, 70 podcasts jake?
There's dust on them. 70, and I think
you drink and the guy from wiser precision.
Are, like, the only 2 people that have
drinks since we've been in here. So everybody
else is rude. Yeah.
Yeah. It's pretty rude. Right. 1 of those
up there is a big money bottle
I don't know which 1 it is.
We tried the... I think it was a
Colonel Taylor with you last time? No. We're
crown. Polish this 1? Yeah.
Crown. I just wrecked. Oh, yeah Yeah. I
mean, we I'll drink some crown with you.
Yeah. I'm not fancy. Yeah. I mean, it's
it's kinda fancy but
not too fans. We
we haven't had you what you on here
about it a year ago. Was like, exactly
a year ago. And what the rock stock
wasn't even an existing was.
The
the tee action machining wasn't a thing. I'm
actually super impressed with how those came out.
I think that podcast was actually the
where I gave you guys the idea for
that. Because me and my ward we some
actions. Yeah. You
and another dude on Rock slide always there's
was a few people that did it. I
definitely didn't come up with it on my
own. No No. But it was Y and
that sad, something Josh Sad maybe. I no
idea. Had a light action that we came...
That...
That... That's what turned into it. Guys made
it much much, much nicer. Did you get
the nit right too? Yes.
Oh, shit. Yeah. He... He when when Jake
gets back on here, we has. We have
to talk about a particular guy on rock
slide that cracks me up. Thank you, sir.
We're... We got into... Last time he was
here above the ice. The right of the
ice top. We got into... He was kind
of the idea. Last time he was here
about the lightning.
Him and the guy sad. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. That's what we're was talking about. And
I was talking about the...
We bring up threads on rock slide. And
I was, gonna bring up a thread. Well
I wanna bring up the 1 that said
the nit right sucked and wasn't slick which...
I was gonna bring that up too. Which
was the first time out of the 3
actions that I have that I'd be, like,
That guy gonna gun oil salesman and come
my fuck on. It's fucking waste slick if
you do your part. It's incredible. You can
you could take 1 of your guys machine
deck, which I have a machine action that's
not not.
I I fucking... I can't Did. I brought
this 1 because it's about to be chamber
with the bounce Interrupt. It's gonna have to
be chamber with the barrel. So air all
the guts are out. Right? Yeah. And you
just... It it comic slick. Like, it feels
smoother than a factory tee action that doesn't
have anything done to it.
Yeah. I don't... When he... When I was
reading that, so
people always think that I'm the nice guy
and Jake's the asshole on this spot. I'm
really the asshole and Jake is the nice
Jack is also the hosts. Because I read
this... Thread, and then I tell Jake and
he's like, oh, he just emailed me. Yeah.
And I'm like, you need to tell this
guy. He's fucking retarded. Yep. And he's gonna
know who he is. I don't really care.
But I'm like, john that I read you
my reply. Yeah. And Jake's diplomatic,
and then form gets on there and says,
hey.
You might wanna put some fucking lube on
the fucking thing. Yeah. I might wanna put
a little bit of grease on that thing.
I don't know, man. I've run mine dry
and they are still just slick... Oh, I
was the coffee mechanism, basically. Oh, okay. So
brand new. We just put it back together
and get get it. And of course, you
know, just like any new rifle or any
new thing on the fucking planet usually is
something's a little stiff to start. Yeah. You
know, and needs whatever. But I'm thinking advantages
on machining like stuff wears in. Yeah. Yeah
how michelle's make some oil on there and
shit? The shit that me and rut? I
mean, are you fucking serious dude? Like,
flick.
What's that a 10 5 degree? Not very
steep.
You can hear it. And I'm thinking to
myself, either there's something wrong with this action.
And that's what I told them. Yeah. There's
there's... Because I'm thinking man mine are almost
2 god damn slick. Mh. So I have
seen some tee actions, prep way less than
you guys, obviously, but
some of them are not as slick as
other. Like there no I agree this same.
You talking just back? Well, Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
In fact, we had a couple real rough
ones at the shooting school here a couple
weeks ago. I don't know if that was
horrible conditions it was. I was. That sand
was like, it was so abrasive and rough,
and, like, it just... If if there was
any any conditions that you could mess a
gun up with. That was definitely. The second
week with the rain was even worse. Yeah.
Kicked up all that toll around that ship.
So we pulled we pulled the guy's rifle.
We brought 2 rifles back. 1 of them
was complaining about feeding and and the 2
threes are the most picky you about feeding.
Yeah. They got a thumbnail to grab that
shell. Keaton takes it, cleans everything up takes
3 different mag and it's flawless feeding. With
3 different t bags could not duplicate the
problem? Didn't he shi it?
And... I think they shi it up at
the class. Oh, did they? Yeah. Yeah. I
can test that it was not working at
the class. So we had to be partly
conditions because there were fucking problems with them.
Yeah. And the thing that's funny and you
talk about take actions that are different factory
wise. I do notice because I have had
quite a few stainless steel. You can get
some, like, fucking
chip, like, stainless steel, like, they have some
fucking rough marks or something. Mh. But it
works, you know, get 20000 rounds on it.
Everything just works. Yeah. Yeah. They just fucking
most people don't shoot 20000 rounds a whole.
But I'm just saying the stainless can be
worse than the blue at first.
Oh, so before before we get too carried
away, it actually kind of applies to the
to the guys, you know, reaching out to
you through Dms and then emailing me and
complain all the shit. But I kinda wanna
touch just for a few minutes. It made...
It doesn't really apply to having here, but
I'm sure you have input on this, but
I wanted to
just talk about small business for a second.
Because I think it all applies the rock
applies everything that we're doing.
And,
you know, like this guy, for example, when
he has the problem with the action. Did
he coulda have called Mh. And talk to
me, like specifically, we could talked through the
problem, but instead,
he's posts a thread.
He's Dm and you. He's emailing us.
And the way these guys are emailing to
try to get a problem so felt, like,
All we wanna do is send out perfect
shit. But everything's not gonna be perfect,
but we are willing to do anything it
takes to, like, help a customer right. And
that's how I end of the email that
I read you said,
un no munitions will always do whatever it
takes to make a customer happy? How could
I make you happy Because he didn't really
he didn't really complained about something specifically he
was just whining. Mh You know? To be...
Just so it's
honestly, it's true. He didn't Dm me. That
was a post on the thread. Okay. Okay.
He didn't dm me about that action. Yep.
But he jumps on a public forum. Oh,
correct. Yep. To complain about the issues having
with 1 of our products. We'll, take that
to another level is there so much
hearsay
bullshit on the rock stock that you've... I
came to you and I said, hey, they
said this came out of this came out
unknown and this came out unknown. And you're
like, no. That, you know, distance... So anyways,
you went in and kinda cleaned that up
that There's a lot of bullshit that's not
true on that 3 people are just taking
information and false information and running with it.
But at the same time, I also admitted
that they could potentially get false information from
1 of my people because we have 20
people, 20 plus people here. And we get
these guys that will call and email every
extension and every email address trying to get
a different answer. And at some point, you're
gonna get 1.
And then they get 1. It's like to
have this fucking cookie. They wanna go share
with everybody. And it wasn't even the correct
case because the employee didn't have the correct
information. It's like fucking Tmz did. Yeah. They
running back. If here's the thing. If you
don't talk to form,
me or Jake, you're probably don't have the
right information. So this all sounds kinda... And
I don't want this to come off negative.
So I was walking
We were closing up shop today. And as
I was walking back to the shop and
look around.
And I think to myself, holy shit. Just
look at all this shit.
Like, there's just
shit upon shit. There's million dollars of shit.
Just in this fucking building. Right? I'm looking
around. I'm thinking back as like I got
in trailer park boy said. Yeah. I'm like,
so Building shit. I'm building like, I'm picturing
in my mind, I'm building the fucking cabinetry
that I bought it at lowe's and countertops
in the fucking scene. Car garage over there,
where we started.
And then I look around here and even
looking in here and even being here with
you guys, like, everything like, I'm so fucking
thankful.
Go then everything has happened the way it
had happened. Everything had to line up perfectly
due. The stars had to align, Covid had
to happen. We would not be here. I
had to meet Ryan, and I had to
everybody I've met
that's helped in business and helped us grow
like everything had to happen in a perfect
fucking order for all of us to be
sent here today.
And and then I hear... And then it's...
There then there's this guy. And I just
told Ryan the other day. Wish people could
just understand
how much we care. Like, the whole rock
stock thing.
I just wanted it to be perfect. I
wanted to be... I wanted it to be
perfect so bad that I'm gonna put my
ass on an airplane Sunday and go help
fix the problem.
And anyway, so these people... I think they're
so used to bad companies and bad customer
service that everybody's forgotten what it's like
to work with... Everything used to be a
small business.
Everybody used to trade with each other, You
know, barter. I don't honestly to
totally agree with you, but they give some...
Not not even giving people credit. Like, my
job is is technical troubleshooting.
And
It's incredible how many people take the least
direct route to try to fix a problem.
Yeah. Everybody has to come up with some
crazy fucking idea of what could be happening
And in almost universally, it's always the simplest
thing that could go wrong that did go
wrong. And instead of, like, looking at all
of the obvious shit in front of. They
gotta look for some boutique reason why things
didn't work. Yeah. It's like, it's never the
obvious thing. It's like, well, maybe instead of,
like, just coming up with 10 different things
you could do to complain about something like,
call the most direct resource you have to
try to get to the bottom of the
actual problem? Yep. And say, hey, is is
there a fix for this? Do I even
have a problem? Yep. A lot of times
as people just using their own shit wrong.
You. That's what I find a lot. Though.
But it's like, man. You just...
The I don't know if people's brains just
don't work in like, a linear logical path.
But I think at the same time too
though from the from the big
corporate side to small business, they expect not
to get any attention.
So because they think they're not gonna get
any attention for their problem, they try to
use this public forum to raise enough
fucking bullish about it. Somebody's gonna pay attention
to them It's just not that way. Like,
we are just not that way here. I
don't care how big we get. You know,
I teach all the people the same thing
the customer in front is the most important
person in the building and so on and
all. Everything... I don't wanna... Obviously, I shouldn't
say publicly that we're gonna help you at
any fucking way we can no matter what
happens, but basically, that's it. I mean, they're...
We've given refunds to guys on shit they
bought 2 years ago.
You know, whatever the situation is, we're just
here to fucking help
people expect
customer no service. Yes. They and they they
assume they can take any nugget of negativity,
and not just rock. This is just human
nature. And run back and say, u. These
guys fuck me. Yeah. And I I see
it over and over again rock side and
it's... Every company like you could take... I
see 1 like and not too long. I
so I went on x and what's talking
go. Chances are. It's just like you you
could talk to the wrong person at You,
You could talk to the wrong in nice.
Yeah. If you get the wrong answer, the
answer you don't like, don't go right back
and bash it online, try to talk to
somebody else there because chances are, If you
talk to the right person, you're gonna get
your way. No. But people just wanna run
back and say, oh, this company fuck me
if you're reasonable. Yes. Same amount of reason
asshole out in here. But I will say
Jake has changed my mind on some of
this because I am
fuck that guy. Like, I I probably in
my mind say that 50 times a day.
And Jake has changed my mind from the
answer is yes. And I don't I don't
know you want me to say this. That's
fine. But he's way it is. And I'm
always the answer is no.
So I'm like,
Jake's answer is yes. So now we have
we have a team of 3 guys, a
shoot to hunt, and I always tell them.
I said, I... Am a classical no guy,
but I gotta agree with Jake. The answer
is always yes when the customer comes to
us. So... And it and it it
snowball balls into this thing of I can't
say how, like, it's kind of like,
rhetoric, but it's, like a positive thing to
where chances are, we're not in the business.
Shoot to U isn't fucking anybody. You're going
to get your stock. You just gotta give
us a little bit of patient and not
run back and say, oh, I got them.
By at the same time, so with all
this being said, mostly what we're saying is
almost... I don't wanna call it negative, but
it... But so on the positive side, We
don't often say thank you to the listeners.
Thank you to all of the customers of
unknown.
Thank it to everybody does get on rock
side to, you know, have a good time
and and involve themselves and post and read.
Thank you for, you know, shoot tons evolving
into other things, And,
anyway, so when I was walking through the
shop, you know, it was almost like a
tears shed kind a moment. I shut it
You what I mean, but it was like,
a holy shit. Not crying your.
Yeah. I'm like
I was like, holy shit, you know, that
look look at all this stuff that has
happened.
And then when I say shit, I just
mean because, you know, it's 8000 square feet
stuff, and I don't wanna say that I'm,
you know, all it's all my stuff. That's
not what I mean It's like,
I know that I'm only 1 person we
can never do it without the 20 other
people that work here, and we try to
hire the best people that care the most
about what we do and all that good
shit, but it takes a big team of
people to make shit happen. And yeah. So
I'm thankful for
care for the business that's developed in 5
years, and again, for the listeners and whatnot,
all you guys are helping in 1 way,
shape or form is on, you know, if
you're supporting us. And Yeah. And the people
that I have that I call friends now,
which I... I would include you 2 guys
is, I would have never had without this
industry. I wouldn't. I'd never met you. Would
had never met a Jake. And the 1
percent kinda of fucking... You know, the squeaky
wheels get greased and they're they're negative fucker.
Mh. To where there's 99 really fucking fantastic
all their percent. Yeah. So I'm not cry
And there is dude... There's a lot of,
you know, of all the industries you could
be in. There's a lot of good people
in the hunting industry.
Because it... Again, it takes a team. I
mean, if you if dion only, if you
think about all the different gear that you
have
all the testing and shit that you went
through and all the favors and help the
you asked up differently people that gets you
to where you're at in your hunting experience.
Yeah. It's you out there fucking busting in
your ass, but fuck it takes a a
world of people that create all these products
and care about the hunting industry in order
to get you to where you were. Well,
God, even at the closer level, like, for
for a lot of years that, oh, I
just hump by myself. I'm doing this all
by myself God. There's been so many people
help me along the way. So many people
that I've gotten some little nugget of information
from even outside of the hunting world and
just so many so many friends that have
have given me good advice and and helped
me with things that I could've have otherwise
done.
Well, and like, just for instance, in that
this is what's crazy about the hunting industry.
I roll up to the podcast,
and Joan doing a gun drug bill outside.
And if you wouldn't see that in a
lot of other freaking kind of industry. No.
Very interesting Nodding in. Yeah. Because we're kinda
shadow band. We're kind of people think for
these outsiders and we all kinda stick together.
You can even say what it was. Did
it was it was a fucking... It was
a magnum rifle primer that may as well
be fucking crack far
those may throw big crack on. Do crack.
Yes. Help Yes. Help him a buddy Carl
out here. Yeah. Had a panic tac when
he figured out he had 5000 of the
wrong primer. There you go. But again, so
that's a friend in the industry, and maybe
he would do the same thing for you,
at least you hope it I know I
would. Everybody's looking out for each other And
the same thing happens with primer here, Do
we have few good people. I don't sell
primer really. But, you know, if a fucking
guy comes in and he's gonna miss hunt
because he needs a ari a fucking. He
needs a hundred Cci 02:50 he's fuck man.
Here you go. Yeah. He gonna ruin somebody's
hunt over that shit. You know, But... There's
a lot of horse trading in this industry.
There is There is. Anyway, so that's kind
of a the negative side of small business
where we're we're not gonna tell the whole
business story, but just
everyday operations, man. It's
We don't have businesses the whole story. Yeah.
It's fucking small... Well, small business in general
is just fucking hard. Dude. Day in, day
out, You know, you don't have the opportunity
to burn out and put somebody else there,
you know, we're here every day, and
and we care. Otherwise, we wouldn't be here
every day so... Yeah. The backbone just small
businesses a backbone America still. Yeah. And nobody
knows the stresses of small business owners they
just don't. And if you can fucking help
small business whatever
you get to choose where you spend your
money. They talk about this with farming and
food and, you know, whether it be organic
or, you know, buy and grocery store that
kind of shit. But you choose where you
spend your money.
You can spend your money at Cab capella
or shields or you can spend your money
with a small business that carries the same
product for the same retail price. You know,
just be aware of that, and,
it can make a big fucking difference. I
saw little real on Instagram 1 time. And
it was this little doughnut shopper cupcake shop
and and a customer comes in the door
and there's a screen and of course, the
the owners there and
As she comes in and then they they
order some donuts or a cupcakes case where
they walk out, and then you see the
2 women like, duck down behind the fuck
encounter right there and they're they're fucking. Doing
they're happy got this fucking happy dance go
on to you because that might've have been
their first order or they're said, whatever it
was, but that 1 single sale, and I
can remember this shit because
when we first started, you opened the unit,
you opened the fucking website up, and it
was a buddy of mind that bought the
first thing it was a hat named Alfonso
down in california. But every order that came
in, new order.
You know, We fucking it was a fucking
deal man. And that's what small bit like
that. And now it comes indy, we get
a hundred orders a day, and you kinda
delete a as going through your email, but
it's, you know, that's a fucking. It is
It's funny You said that because I've sold
lots of things in my life, but the
first cup orders from shoot to Hunter, like,
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fuck Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Alright.
Well, we should probably talk to the guest
that's here. Yep. About shooting and such and
big meal.
Yeah. Yeah. The first question of order I've
already asked you, but you got a big
deer found out there in the world. Yeah.
We'll see if he turns into what a...
What I'm hoping he turns... Or if he's
even still alive. The motherfuckers is already a
monster. He's not turning into nothing.
He was wide, but he didn't he didn't
score super good. Good lord. We we... I
asked Jim Car that's been... I'd like to
ask you this question.
How early
in the season, do you know you have
a deer that's probably gonna be big.
Man. It's it's tough, but
some deer will be a month ahead of
others. Like... So you'll find some deer that
looks like they're totally finished at the end
of July and some deer packing it on
right up till the end of August.
So it's it's hard to say, but it
I mean, mid July, early July, you can
usually kinda tell what they're gonna turn into.
Like, if if there's some of them that
are like, holy crap. That's obviously gonna be
something good. You don't know if he's gonna
have long times. You don't know, like, necessarily
how he's gonna score. If he's got extras.
He probably hasn't started sprout those off yet.
But like, you can, you know, big bases
and eye guards are are pretty undeniable.
So
Actually goes along with the question. So what
we drew a a tag
We don't need to talk about units are,
like, what... If there's in the unit or
not, but basically, the the tag runs from
August first to December first. So Mh. When
I... When Ryan, when I took... Runs from...
August first t. August t to to December
first. Yes. So when told Ryan that we
do the tag. He's like, oh, man. The
first week of September is awesome. I'm almost
thinking to myself what the fuck the first
week of September. Well explain that when they're
growing their ant, they stay out in the
open more because they don't wanna fuck their
ant up.
Now
I would have never thought about that. So
the the point... The question is is you
know from that August t to December first
date, like, what are you what date range
are you picking in a unit you haven't
scout?
With the hopes of finding what you're looking
them. Well, Why I wouldn't I scout it.
Well, as pretend in New York. Wanna preface
this. You know where it's at. K. And
these deer
have a lot more timber. K. Than most
of the deer you hadn't as far as
thickness.
So... But they seem to disappear as soon
as that fucking bill. It's gone.
Hunting season
for that tag for me.
Would start the day I knew I drew
the tag, and it in the day I
killed the deer, which should probably be towards
the earlier end of it,
because the longer you wait, the less likely
you less likely you are to refined anything.
And I don't think it's necessarily a correlation
between their ant being fuzzy and them not
in. Not wanting to go into thick stuff.
I think it correlates with food source changes
from weather. Mh. So about the same time
Velvet gets rubbed off, we have our first
big frost.
You freeze their food a couple times, and
it's no longer gonna be their primary food
source. Mh. Like, as
as the season changes the food source changes.
So that coincides exactly with them shedding velvet.
And I think it has as much to
do with deer being harder to find or
moving or changing areas.
I think it has as much to do
with that as actually shedding the velvet. So
there's not a certain time frame from August
30 December first that you would target.
As early as kill time. I mean, as
early as you can. It doesn't matter when
you kill it, you know, after after September
first, the rack is gonna be what the
rack is. Yeah. I mean, then
you might have a little ball up, but
they might have a little bit of, like,
extra blood at the... Tip of the Ant
where it's not totally formed yet. But the
the ant itself will be physically the same
size. They'll just be adding, like, extra bone
density to it. No. But it's it's I
mean, the size of the size by that
point. Does whether it's in velvet or hard
ant, does I have any more a lure
to you Way the other velvet? Really? Because
I kinda have this I kinda have the
same feeling. Yeah. It's so ugly. Yeah. It's
so ugly and it stinks and it's just...
It's, like greasy in your hands and it
comes off like with... Any things. You gotta
be even careful you strap it your backpack.
U. I can't stand velvet it. Really? Well,
basically, all the bucks that I've been around
after the t of August, You can't hardly
keep I it's
in North idaho It's fucking hard to keep
any velvet it anyways. When do you see...
When do you see... Like, you've done most
of your hunting, Southern Idaho, Central Idaho, I'm
assuming. When do you see them mostly what
day they stripped?
It's anywhere from, like, right at the end
of August to about September tenth. But like,
you see some variability in that too. So,
like, last year, there were deer that weren't
stripped until the middle of September, but it
was also like a really delayed growing season.
Because
what I always... And I I am not
a mule hunter. I'm not because I think
they're they're lesser of the 2 species. But
the...
Hunting up here and watching them
as soon as, you know, we're hunting North
idaho thick timber. Mh.
As soon as that fuck strip they seem
to never stay on the open, and I
never really thought about the frost. Well, that
always insects maybe It's more than that too.
It's more than that too. So like, you're
really at a transitional time for the deer.
So from the time they strip velvet,
the most available, like,
protein source available food that the highest quality
food sources are now
gone. Essentially, the summer feed is the best
feed for them to put on body mass.
So it's now no longer super beneficial for
them to gorge themselves on on food if
it's just enough to keep them sustained. Well
it's also when their coat changes and they
get their thicker fur. So now they're un
uncomfortable warm if it's hot out.
So their their activity level goes down dramatically.
When does that happen the fur? Right about
the same time they strip velvet. Okay. So
they're getting the thicker coat put on, so
it's uncomfortable. They're too warm. So they're gonna
be less active. The food isn't as good,
so it doesn't benefit them as much to
gorge on it.
Their coats getting heavier. So they're warmer. They
don't wanna be out in the sun because
they're gonna be too hot. So they're gonna
be they're gonna rest more, and they're gonna
be basically just
hold up on whatever best food they have
available in shady places. So really, that first
week of September is really the best choice.
Yeah. If you... To find
Well, find them before that, And the first
week is the most likely week. I mean,
it's... You're gonna have the most recent information
that week. Mh. And then every week after
that is just a change. And, I mean,
you're just going from...
From every few week period, you have these
little bits of change in their routine. And
little bit it's bits of change in their
motivator for why and how they're doing things.
And basically,
once you get towards
maybe October twentieth 20 fifth for then they're
gonna start thinking about rut. And and in
some areas of the state, then they have
to start thinking about migrating too. So there's
just a lot of stuff going on in
the fall, the month specifically from or specifically
from the beginning of September till, like, mid
to late October. There's a lot of different
motivator going on that are driving their behavior.
And I don't think it's the the huge
mystery of Big bucks just disappearing that everybody
likes to claim it is. It's like, there's
there's real things happening around them that they
are responding to. And it's not voodoo.
Just watching... Like I said, I haven't not
meal a, but I'm always honey at that
time. And I'll see these bucks, the same
day every day in the same general location.
And then it soon like I was telling
you as soon as it hits, like, the
8 night tenth of September then I see
them sporadically, and then I don't see them
at all. Like, September twentieth. I don't see
him again it all hardly. Mh. So it's...
They're probably still right there. I mean, I
I think they within September, but problem is
I'm looking...
I don't not hunting a lot of stuff.
You're honey. I'm hunting and fucking clear cuts
and open brush fields. The then everything else
is fucking hard temp make timber. Mh. So
they're there probably are in the temperature, they're
just not out in the open anymore. So
I was telling,
Jake, Like, man, I'd really try to kill
him. And We're also going to Africa, So
we're coming back, like the fourth or third.
Yeah. I said, you're gonna have, like, a
week really good right there that go after
it hard. Yeah. So soon to get back.
Yeah. And it's my daughter's tag, So I
have to get my daughter where we're going.
Right? So that that poses a another...
So
difficulty in the hunt. So what about
do you know anything about peak rut in
North Idaho versus Central Southern. I know time
changed change. The timelines are sometimes a little
bit different in the rut is dictated by
the amount of hours of daylight. So it's
it's not a temperature thing, and the re
happens
no matter what. Everybody, you mean You look
at fucking Alma act right now and figure
out what daylight?
Some herd will be, like, different week... I
mean, it's it's all gonna be happening around
the first week of November. K. And you'll
see route behavior for the whole month, but
the overwhelming majority of the breeding is happening
right around then. So that would be the
second most opportune we. To go out and...
If you want to try to get lucky.
Like, if you don't have something found, but
it you... It's not reliable.
What
this
piggyback on that, what? I've heard Robbie Den,
what he says about this. Electro to your
your side of it. What makes if... That
dough probably not
in est.
What makes that butt kick into readiness even
though that hasn't happened yet. And it's like...
It's last week. Second week the last week
of October. It's literally dictated by the amount
of hours. So it's not smelling anything. They
just know something's... Their testosterone spool up? Yeah.
Yeah. Is it. Mh,
interesting.
Well, I mean, like from my perspective, I
do not have the opportunity as a small
business owner to go spend fucking 7 weeks
of scouting to find my biggest mule here
in Idaho. I don't have that opportunity. You
could put it like I said...
I could put in a hard 4 days.
Okay. So so on top of that, when
I'm saying the plus were just come back
from after all this and I plus have
my daughter with me. So
hiking super long distance. Is not gonna be
an option.
Staying out for 6 weeks is not gonna
be an option...
A long term scout beforehand is not an
option. K. So I'm trying to think about,
like, if I'm gonna invest time with my
daughter to go do this,
And right now I feeling like the week
after we get back from Africa and then
the first week of November. There is an
upside. K?
Very low standards.
Did. I tell you hey. We were talking
about this.
He's he's the shallow house cool there. Fuck
yeah Yeah. They're all pretty. I said, well,
what are you looking for? He's like, very
low. Very low. Did. I mean, I I
imagine whatever you would consider like, a mid
sized deer. K? Is a monster for us.
What we talk... Is it standards are real
deer. The small day. I I'm gonna fog
that deer, we saw down at fucking sam.
Eyed lens kind of a deer. Okay. I'm
gonna fight a picture of what I would
swell I would think is a fucking monster
and you're okay. But I'm gonna find the...
So you guys keep good. So here's here's
the reality of it at least at least
in Central Idaho and I think this applies
to most places plus or minus 10 inches.
Most
mature mule dear, don't get much bigger than
01:50.
If you find a hundred and 50 to
a hundred and 60 inch mule deer, that
may be as big as he ever gets
no matter how many years extra you give
him.
So when you when you see people dogg
on a hundred and 50 inch. Deer, like,
that is that is probably a deer at
his best. A shot I've shot 2 milled
deer,
aged, teeth 8, tooth aged
there were 7 and a half and 8
and a half. 1 was 01:35 and 1
was 01:52. Mh. Old, big body dear. That
is... Yeah. That is that is a big
deer. Hundred 50 inch deer. Is a big
deer. I wish people would kinda reestablish their
benchmark. Like, okay. 01:50 is a very respectable
mule deer.
And, like, honestly,
most years, I'm overjoyed to find a hundred
and 70 each year. I feel like that's
an exceptional deer in a general unit.
Monster.
It's all it's honestly probably a hundred and
40 inch shares. Like.
At a quick glance. That's it. That is
probably That is a deer that could be
at the peak of his life as big
as he ever gets. He was living on
the south alfalfa patch on a ranch that
we hunt for Cow. Mh. Down in salmon.
And we happened to be driving down 1
of the roads in the ranch, and he
was just sitting there in the middle dude.
He looked at us. Like, his shit didn't
stink.
And we looked at him like it was
the biggest mule that I've seen because it
was. K. Literally, that's the biggest mule that
I've ever seen
in the wild. So to me as a
monster. Yeah. And what do you think it
is a 01:40?
Yeah at a quick glance. If... Yeah. If
that,
I don't even... He doesn't have Eye guards.
So... Yeah. No.
Yeah. Maybe 01:40.
He see That's a good that. And I
said we... That's a good deer. We can
sick. Good Dear. We can do. That's a
good dear. That's right. We can do better.
There's only 60 tags. There's only 60 tags
data this tag Yeah. There's a guy that
we know. I'm gonna have to to you
trade,
Talking me. There's another guy we know though.
You could trade product for scouting. Really? Yeah.
I know the guy we're talking about. You.
It's a different guy? No. It's that guy.
Yeah Yeah. Yeah. I wanna put him on
the spot. Yeah. He's was trying to slow
down on that side, but, yeah. I think
I know exactly who you're talking about too.
And he already told me. He goes, oh,
I know where he says I know Dear.
Yeah if really guy I think it is,
He knows where Deer are everywhere. Yeah. Well,
yeah. I'm might have to go on that
route for this desk. Scouting... I just talk
to these scouting right now. Yeah. Yeah. I
call that guy for advice. Yeah. For sure.
Well, generally, he gives us advice and I
feel like, a we're loading him man right
now. Yeah. But I would. I don't wanna
see the unit or where he. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. He's the guy. Yeah.
Are you only at Idaho?
I have...
I'm going to Alaska for Moose.
And and then I have... I have 1
other out of state home. What's the whole...
Lot, I'm... We're really interested Alaska shit, lately.
What's the whole plan? The whole plan is
I got... III hit I hit the absolute
neighbor lottery.
Wow.
My... I had a next door neighbor move
in at the beginning of November last year.
And
yeah, His was his wife moved in first,
and I wouldn't talk to her. She's like,
my husband's hunting. And I'm like well, Can
mean a lot of different. I think this
dialogue in my head. That can mean a
lot of different things. Could be a guy
who wants to bore me for 20 minutes
about the 1 time he saw Cal 7
years ago. Mh. Or he could be like
me. You know, On the other end of
this there's a spectrum who respect me and
my wife have? It'd conversation all the time.
So and so hunt, I was, like, well,
does he hunt? Like But it's... I think
I would say but does he kill shit.
Please supposed define that.
And she she happened mention Always he's... He's
in the frank tunnel. And I guy might
be might be pretty cool, and she told
me he's flo was gonna be in there
for a couple weeks. Well 4 days later.
I see you guy pulling the house and,
go over there and visit with him. Start
talking with him and I'm like, hey, Tag
out. He's like, oh, no, the. The weather
wasn't right. Ended up coming out. And thinking
my head. Chicken shit loser came out because
the weather wasn't.
But you were flown in. And I mentioned
something dope. I'm like, that's kinda lame. And
he's like, oh, no. I got my own
airplane. It's I'll like, I'll fly back in
when the weather gets better. I
shit. I gotta cool
for a while and I'm looking over and
he's got alaska plates on his truck, and
I'm like, oh, I thought you guys are
from Washington. He's like, oh, well, we had
a house in Washington. I'm actually Alaska resident.
And I'm like, oh, really?
Mike, you do pilot, play the alaska residue.
Any up there He's like oh, yeah. We
we got a lot up there between me
and my brother. We hope... We help kill
14 moose last year? And I was like,
jesus, do you just spend the whole fall
pack and moose? I didn't pack any of
them. I'm, like,
please explain. Yeah. He's like, well, I got
an air boat, and it's got a crane
on the front of it. So we'll kill
the moose, and then I've just run the
air boat up to when we load him
whole once?
He's like, my brother's got 1 too. So
we'll team up with boats and we go
out and we we help all our neighbor's
kill moose, guys. If you're over 65, you
can, like, if you're and your alaska resident,
you can sign your tag. Over to another
alaska resident to harvest your moose. U. So
he's out there just Whale and Moose for
to make.
That's. Fantastic, and they takes a bunch of
friends out. A over air boat new goal.
Air boats, the way to hot moves to
Alaska. Yeah. We'll see how we'll have to
figure out how we did, after. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
So not gone have starbucks so you tell
the story. Like, man, this is... You know,
this is... That's that's freaking incredible Like, yeah,
you wanna go. Yes.
Yes. I do. I was I I will...
Did you guys... What time do Wanna buy
ticket? Hey. Did you guys dock right there?
Oh yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Well,
So so like, I committed it. I can
write that instantly, and I'm like, okay. I'm
gonna be the best neighbor this guy is.
Ever had go. Hey you need to up
at a bow that side of your lawn,
every time so Like, we had a pretty
good winner for Southern Idaho last year. We
ended up getting quite a bit of snow,
so, Like, called them 1 day. I'm like
hey, man. I just... I I don't wanna
be rude, but I got I got a
side by side with a snow plow on
it. You cool if I plow your drive.
It's snowed like, 10 inches or whatever. I
do... Do a bunch of driveway for my
neighbors. I had 1... I had a neighbor
lady actually complained about me Plow or sidewalk
for. No shit. Yeah. I guess, she liked
plow. Like, okay. I'm whatever. I I'm just
trying to be helpful or whatever. So like
now, I just ask everybody's usually really happy
to have this stop out for him. No
shit. So so his response was Yeah. And
and when you get done, you can come
in and fold my laundry and
we want some room to repay.
Okay. We're gonna get along. Good. So I
every anytime a fucking a flake of snow
hit his driveway How's was plowing
this funny department. So he's he's actually commercial
fishermen, and and he's gone a lot this
winter. So 1 day, I just finished plowing
his driveway.
I'm out I'm out in my driveway,
pull my daughter around on a sled, and
I see the garage door come up and
his wife's got a snow shovel in her
hand. She's all geared up, like, a full
on snow bib, full outfit. She opens the
garage door and she's already confused look on
her face because I just... Plow.
That's awesome. Nice. Yeah. I hit the neighbor
jackpot. Hell Sounds like it. Nice. So. Yeah
you definitely come back on tell the story.
We've been interested in going in and trying
to do a moose thing or Car or...
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't even know air
boats were a thing in Alaska. I didn't
tell right now. But you could take them
everywhere. I thought that was like, a Georgia
swamp type of situation. I did I did
too. It was fun Louisiana Bayou you. So
I can't hunt the unit they hunt because
I'm a non res so we were researching
other stuff. He's like, I this area. It
looks good. Because he's flying
flying roundup up there.
I'm looking at stuff. He's like I found
a bunch of moose in this spot, but
I don't know if we can hunt it.
I'm having a hard time figuring out who
the land managing agency is for this. He's,
like, if you could research this, that would
help. So I I figured out who it
is for this. Certain, like, wilderness area and
he's like, I wanna I wanna find the
travel and see if we can use the
air boat. Mh. And and I finally get
a hold of a lady in tells me
where to look it. I'm like I want
you to send me a link to where
I can see this on a website. I
want, like, everything in writing, just
crush your t's dot your eyes type of
shit. She So I sent him a screenshot
of of the, like, travel restrictions for the
area, then we find out the air boats
legal and his response. Like... III give him
all my homework that he gave me and,
like, here's here's the here's the report, and
he just responded with. Oh, it's gonna be
a blood bad.
Like, that is that is exactly what I
wanna to do. So in your mind, do
you have, like, a... What you're looking for?
So he's flying his airplane around there all
the time and he says he doesn't even
go after a moose less is 65 plus.
Oh, yes. That sound like like, I I
was asking him questions about how to make
sure it's legal.
He's like it's not gonna be a problem.
So Getting awesome. It's yeah 65 inches, like,
like, fucking huge. Yeah. Why. So 5 5
and a half feet. Yeah. Holy.
Fucking monster. Yeah. Boo.
So... So then you do... Then you had
to come back and hunt the lonely meal.
Oh, man. I'm excited about that too, though.
I I I've shot A moose. So I've
been on a few moose kills and they're
cool. I do wanna shoot it Alaskan Yukon,
but
I'd still rather shouldn't know. That... Your moose
was the 1 you shot at, like, 2
zip codes away, wasn't,
you. Know. I'm hundred for a month and
I. My wife basically said this is...
This is it. Because I was actually working
multiple jobs.
And she's like, dude, you've been gone for
a month, Killer alec, or kill Moose.
So it was... Was the only when I
saw, and it was 1775
yards away to Jesus.
Died next to a road though Right? Died
on the road. Died on the road. My
buddy had my buddy with Yeah we, like
Jet boat or air boat. We I had
tracks and we rode right to it. That's
what impressed me about tracks. If he dragged
that moose out uphill. Nice. Like holy shit.
It's they're really good till they come off.
Well, until they snap or you snapping it
up. They break a lot of stuff. They
do break a lot of axles.
But... Yeah. But
moose are cool.
I would say,
go get your fill and you'll be back
to, Yeah through in no time. Yeah. Forms.
I'm pretty much convinced. I'm gonna use the
22 creed that you guys just belt me,
but he's talking me to using the 22
creed on and I'm like... Was that'd be
that'd be pretty cool to shoot a big
old Alaska moose way to create more. Oh,
no. You gonna video it? I'll try to.
Yeah. That dude it's gonna work. What bullet?
80 8LD.
Didn't work. Yeah. The el... I do dude
I was so proud of you for given
the horn people the right name for their
bullet?
Murder bullet. The El d murder. Mh. Dude.
I... I tell. All time that came from
you. Not me, but people keep connecting me
to Head, like no. I actually stole it
from my buddy zach. I can't steal it.
I
regret.
I don't like to take people's credit, but
it'll work. Yeah. I don't have any doubts
it'll work. I don't give a if it's
fur. Front side. And after shooting after after
doing the shooting school, I can shoot some
bullets real fast now.
Oh, there's
3 late. Dump double tap seems like it's
under doing it at this point. Alright. You
will get into that. So you went to
the Shoot university the 0 to 600. Mh.
Give us your feedback.
I feel like I got away with doing
a lot of shit wrong for a long
time, and I had no as a guy
who's probably...
I mean, I... I felt like I was
pretty proficient. Like, comparatively, you you put me
into a group of most hunters, and I
felt like, I I would... You know, stand
stand well with that group regardless of who
it was.
I didn't realize how much shit I had
no idea how wrong I was doing it.
Like, just the fundamentals of of all of
the little things that I didn't know what
I was doing was embarrassing.
I got away with a lot because
situational, like, I would find a deer, and
I was never in a rush to shoot
him. I'd set up camera, I'd dig a
hole out on the hillside. To make a
nice flat spot to shoot from.
I would dry fire on the animal 15
times till the cross hairs didn't move
and I could get away with a lot
under those circumstances, but
I feel like
outside of my little world that I created
for myself, in in my killing scenario. I
probably wouldn't have been very effective.
You were the state you are the same
as me in that aspect I grew up.
In all my honey was ambush hunting of
some sort dry firing.
I... Basically, all the cards were stacked in
my favor. Oh, yeah. And
So inform. You gotta try this, and I'm
like, okay. I'll try it. Thinking, just be
another thing. I'm gonna ace this shit. Yeah.
And I get out there and I look
like a complete cluster Fuck. Yeah. And I'm
like, oh, well, you get me off the
ground, and I fucking suck.
And this basically broke me down for 4
days. And I've been through a few times
now, but As a whole, it makes you
a more well rounded Marks.
Now I don't have to have that setup
up. I'm still... I still want to afford
myself. Every opportunity to take as much time
as I can and be as prepared as
I can. And I don't think it's a
bad idea if you can drive fire on
an animal multiple times and get calm dig
out a flat spot in hill. Like, that's
never a bad idea if you have it,
but it's nice to not need it. Mh.
Because it's not always there. Well, and you're
an analytical. You're a
you think things out. What did we suck
at?
There's something we suck that. The the whole
shooting thing. Food, lodging,
shooting. The food was ridiculously good. Yeah. I
knew definitely a suck. What what? What would
you say the lodging was really nice.
I I was in the friends and family
group, and there was a lot of people.
No. So that it it went a bit
slow, but it sounded like it was... Way
the hell faster the next week way faster
paid people, which, you know, I'm I'm not
complaining, And that's just... I got... I got
invited to do the thing. I was so
grateful for the opportunity.
Honestly, man, That's about the only... Oh, I
got 1.
Make that Get up right here.
I keep me up till 1 at night.
You got you gotta say to the microphone.
Till, make form get up earlier in the
morning. Yeah.
He did actually he did actually get up
a little bit earlier the next week. He
did A little... Like the like, the whole
week, they were shooting by...
09:30.
My body wakes up between 5 and 6
every day,
regardless of what the alarm clock does.
So
Nick, Nick said he was sitting down on
his little
chair for so long that the lando owner
came by and said, do you wanna go
shoot some.
Didn't take. You took groundhog gonna eat before
and the school started would day. Oh, gee
very.
Yeah. So that... Yeah.
Earlier. Yeah.
And I guess, you know, on the flip
side, I'm not a morning person either, but
then it wouldn't go till midnight. Yeah. Yeah.
I do think there is
as as dumb as it seemed, I do
think there is a little bit of method
def forms madness for keeping you up. Till
you're really late and then have... Like, keeping
up till you're really tired than having you
go straight to bad afterwards because I do
think the retention is better, Mh. Of the
information
but I think that could happen at 11
more than, like... Well, the same as it
doesn't midnight 1. The the biggest feedback that
I got was,
I really didn't think that we would shoot
a thousand rounds. Yeah. We shot a lot.
Yeah. That's probably the average We went through
about a thousand rounds. I went voice scout
on some of it too, and I shot
a little bit extra every. Oh, I would
look over and Dion would have, like, 3
meg set up. Oh, and he 10:10 round
mag
that poor 6 5 creed or P was
getting worked. Other than the P got ran
hard and the 02:23 got ran really hard.
At 1 point, I I remember looking back.
I was getting so much mirage off the
barrel I looked back at form. I'm like,
you got any, like, cool ways to cool
these down. He threw me a water bottle
He just poured it over the barrel.
It was steam pouring off of it.
Yeah. Yeah. I was running it.
Nice. So you... I'm I'm guessing you would
recommend it. Yeah. No. It was good. Right.
It was definitely good.
Your food was the food was stupid good.
We... We... I was really surprised. I was
not expecting that.
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Myself and buddy ward. We stopped at a
grocery store in town because we didn't, like...
We we knew there was gonna be some
food, but it's like, it's Like, I don't
know if like dinners, do we need to
have lunches? So we we brought we didn't
eat it. Goddamn thing that we brought the
food was so good. You know I've been
the multiple shooting schools and the... I've had
bad food, and it can... Even if you
have good training, it can still be like,
a turn off. Mh. So we all decided
we have got to have fantastic food. Yeah.
The training was legit, and the food was
just like, Like, it didn't even make sense.
Know. Didn't makes sense. She she she come
out every day or every other day they
refresh everything and bring the new stuff and
she had a phenomenal job. Well, I was
weird because It seemed like she was really
worried about making sure everybody was happy with
it. I'm like, this is like the best
stuff I've ever. Hey. Like, why are you
worried?
She
like my wife stayed the second week solely
so she can eat more of the food.
She did. She's like, I fucking say, I'll
shoot. It'll, all cherry pick my shot. Yeah
get in there and and work on some
stuff, but I'm here for the food
because camille can cook. Yeah.
No then the The place was legit too.
Like, the location was cool. It was insanely
windy, which was beneficial for the class, I
think. Like,
actually seeing the guns...
Well, yeah, foreman and I are kind of
friends at this point, but, like, to demonstrate
things, He he actually threw a fist full
of dirt into my action and had me
run the gun. And then he did the
same thing on another action to prove that
like, hey, this gonna work with dirt in
it. This gun won't. And legitimately, my gun
worked, the trigger got super hard. Like, it
it was legitimately probably a 10 pound trigger
pull. But every time I pulled the trigger
the... That like did that like trigger the
Ocd a little bit?
I
I'm not I wasn't too worried. It's a
tool for me Like, I wasn't too worried
about it. Everybody else I think was more
surprised than I was. I did a I
did a pistol class with form, and and
he was, you know, we we were joking
around. Is telling me, like, me a command
to do with the gun. Somebody told him
to throw a s chicago on the ground.
He literally chuck it. So I was like,
okay. I'm not surprised at all. Like, he
does that with his gonna He's gonna he's
gonna do that with mine. So, I wasn't
upset and then right afterwards, he did it
with with a remington to 700 base custom,
and it stopped working. The trigger quit.
His gun, but it didn't quit in mind.
So I was like, he he... He's all
about proving everything
like, with evidence. Like, here's Here's the actual
functional reason why I say what I say
and I can prove it. And...
He's he's got a method do his madness.
I do appreciate about him is he's not
he's not afraid to shoot in front of
people? The bear... Did you guys shoot at
the. I don't know we get to that.
The... At the second class they're like, we.
Think it was the second cause. He's was
like week... Nobody's he's hitting the bear. I
hit the bear but I didn't hit it
inside the right pink. Right. Right. Had to
be in see. Had to be his size
bear, which are mini bears. Yeah. Yeah. So
he... They got down. And is, like nobody
to get this bear. So he got down
with a fucking 3 8 which I hate
3 0 eights which you guys fucking going
shoot. We tricked you into shoot through shooting
03:08.
And he fucking... Like, he's not afraid to
demonstrate you know that you can't hit the
mirror. Absolutely. And he'll get down and he'll
shoot the things and he'll shoot the targets
and you're like, Oh, well, he can do
what he's saying he. Here's here's 1 of
the things that was the most dramatic to
me that I saw over the course of
the week with a bunch of other shooter
shooting mostly 02:20 threes, and I thought I
was gonna gain part of it shooting a
hot rod 65P,
launching 01:40 sevens at close to 3100.
It didn't make my hit rate much better.
Like, I thought I was cheating as much
as I could cheat the wind and black
ballistic and all that... Like I thought I
was gaming it. Mh.
And when it come to actually hitting stuff,
it didn't make me hit more. I didn't
see... Like, it was a it was a
little bit of a benefit, but nowhere near
what I thought it was. I thought that
too, and I didn't see as much as
yours, but I thought Ward with the 02:22
creed Yeah. That thing is actually cheating. It
is cheating, but it still had a lot.
It still showed you the scenarios where that
shit still fails. Yeah. And the 02:20 threes
don't necessarily fail. Like, you're not you're not
handicap that much. You really aren't handicapped that
much by a gun with what would seem
like inferior bliss. 6. Although if if there
was
if there was a cheat code for it,
it's a stupid fast 22 calorie 6 mil.
Like for actually
shoot ability
and what your likelihood is of hitting that
target,
like, the the ballistic don't matter as much
as you like to think they do. The
guns are just easier to shoot. They gotta
be stupid inside like, if you look, you
know, if the west tells you. If you
look at the 22 creed or A6UM,
they are giving you magnum big magnum performance.
Mh. And way way less recoil. Yeah. It's
just fact.
What's your what's your Instagram handle? Oh god.
Wild dash Idaho hope wild underscore Idaho. Okay.
So recently, you did the scope drop test
and you were?
I trying I dropped me some m. Did.
So this
to me that shared. I was proud of
them. It did. Well, it stirred some shit
to me like, reading comment doing that right
like so people... There was a guy who
said it was not ethical to drop my
game.
What kind of fuck a d doesn't think
it's ethical
to your equipment. So it's more ethical to
have a shitty scope that doesn't work. That's
lot just main stuff. So that's the point
I was gonna bring up is there's some
let's say, there's some high level shooters around
in the Instagram world that laugh at the
whole scope drop test. Yeah. And to me,
there are people like the guy you're talking
about, they don't want to know their scope
is gonna fail. They don't want to know
their rifle gonna fail. They just wanna believe
that because they spent whatever amount of money
on it, that it's just gonna work all
the time. Yeah. And this goes back to
the training, but also kinda... I think you're
a lot like forming and that way you
like to demonstrate things and see how things
actually prove. Or they'll prove it to me.
Yeah. Prove it to me. And you're you're
so
you're so involved in your hunting world that
that you wanna know like you said dry
fire 10 times on the deer with... If
I saw a big ads deer, like, you're
kinda deer if I would be able to
drive for 10 times. Well, here's the difference
though. I've seen that dear 10 times exactly
summer. Yeah.
I know that if
If the situation is not right today. Yeah
I'm a kill tomorrow. So pretend like I
can seat for here, there's 1 of those
fu that spent have much money on a
vortex razor Gen 3, and they got it
up on top of their rifle, And they
just... They don't wanna know if it's gonna
hold 0 not. I mean,
what are they doing that? How are they...
How are they, you know, hitting handicap themselves
or what would you say to those people
out there that don't believe in drop testing
your rifle.
I mean, did not believe that the world's
around because you can't see the curve. Like,
I mean, seriously.
It's real easy to test for yourself. Like,
get go get a very soft padded cushion.
A very large soft padded cushion. Mh. Drop
that gun a few times and see if
it moved. Yeah. But the sad reality is
that guy probably also doesn't even have a
good 0. True.
Very true. Like, you your shit so wrong
that you can't tell what right is. Yeah.
I talked to a really good, pretty dang
good competitive shooter 2 day,
and we were talking about the drop test,
and he was a non believer before.
He's like, you what, You know what I
what, clicked me into it. And he goes,
I got around to these shoots, and he
goes, I
took a drop test, and I did my
testing in found this this particular scope did
hold 0 and Rocks I confirmed to hold
0,
he said, when I go to the range
and he goes, I'm talking about some other
high level shooters.
I go. I shoot the 900 yard target.
I shoot the maybe shoot the 1200 yard
target. He goes and I'm done z.
These guys are out there 0 for 2
and 3 fucking hours. Yep. Because they get
to a particular shoot and their guns not
0. He goes minus. Yep.
Mine 0 just like it was at home.
Yep. I don't see why that they're not
catching onto that unless they don't want to
or they're paid not to be. Yeah. They're
not paid... They're paid not to see it.
Well, the frustrating thing is that it's such
an easy thing to prove
1 way or the other. It's not hard
to prove.
It's not hard to make sure your zeros
is actually right.
It's not hard to make sure your scope
holds 0.
Everybody has the equipment they need to do
it. Mh.
I don't know what the reluctance is. So
if you guys haven't it seen a drop
test at action, we do have a... We're...
We do have a video We've been working
on for a damn long time now basis.
Got 2 videos of throwing guns on the
ground. If you wanna check my. Jump on
Dion
Instagram there, and he filmed it, and he
did a very good job demonstrating
exactly what it goes through during the test.
And yeah. Dion actually above and beyond.
In the drop test. It's even more than
we actually do on Rock slide.
Because you're fucking ground was it's getting harder.
Yeah. Yeah. That got ounces. So that got...
Well, what's bad. I did. So I did
it. I did a 9 drop drop test
right before that,
and I didn't... Like, I had the camera
set up wrong. Because I'm I'm literally just
taking my phones enough... Phone scope, the all
una adapter or whatever. And then I'm I'm,
like, flicking my screen to where it does
the selfie camera, and then I I turned
my spotting scope around, and that's my that's
my phone holder tripod. Yeah. But I had
it set up to where, like, you couldn't
see the gun actually hit the ground like
oh, shitty. And I shot it and it,
like, hit it didn't hit the center of
the center like, the the 1 I post
did, but it hit the bottom, like, cut
the line on the jaw.
And and that 1 was nasty. The gun
bounced hard. Like get bounced back up to,
like, knee height from a waist height drop.
And I'm like, I cringe when I did
it odd freaking form text me Like, did
you see that drop? Did you sue the
fountain it was way worse on the first
1, but you couldn't see the gun hit
the ground. I'm like, that's not good enough.
There's a bunch of nay say out there
gonna talk shit if they can't see the
whole thing. Yeah. So it's like, I want
I want all of the carnage to be
visible. Mh. And
Yeah. I mean, I...
There's a lot less weird shit that happens
when all your stuff works. Yeah. So we...
That onto your story. We were up shooting.
At the school. Yeah. And form
a rock like fell that he was standing
on, and he had the 03:08 wooden gun
the.
Yeah. Western 2 by 4 gun. No. The
Montana. Oh.
And he had that m on it and
it fell. Like it fell. He dropped it.
There's a couple more cubes in there if
you want. He fucking bent.
The fucking front of it in. Mh. And
went and check 0 steals 0. No. Shit.
But that goes back to this, people say,
why do you do it? Well, I don't
know. I would guess I'm the clumsy just
hunter in the world.
I fall on my gun. I'd knocked my
gun over. My gun rides around in a
truck that fucking gets bounced around on truck.
A horse side by side of quad. Goats,
quad.
I'm millennium... I want to eliminate every variable
I have because I don't know people know
this, but public land hunting does not getting
easier. So when I get that shot of
the lifetime, I wanna know that fucker 0.
My my whole thing behind it is. I
put way too goddamn much into every 1
of the deer I kill. Like, I you
almost can't even claim skill on it. It...
It's embarrassing how many hours I put into
killing 1 deer. Mh. Like, I put more
hours into killing the buck I killed last
year. Then most people will into the next
10 hunting season. Mh.
I'm not gonna fuck that up for anything.
I'd have a question about that. Did you
drop test your bow?
I've dropped it before but those things are
fragile and you gotta be careful. More importantly.
Did you drive fire it first.
Did you.
I I just... I have it on video.
I drew on that I drew on that
buck 5 or 6 times. Okay. Ward was
across the canyon filming me. Every time I'd
stand up, and III didn't I didn't have
a shot while he was bed. U.
So this is some crazy shit. Like, I
was above that buck for 3 hours and
the whole time I'm I'm thinking, like, how
can I make my situation better? I I
literally climbed out of the rock I was
sitting in above that buck and grabbed other
rocks to stack. Down to make flat footing.
So I'd, like, a flat stable place to
stand up to shoot from. So you also
dig your shooting spots, but you also built
up your Yeah. I I built I build
a shooting position for archer tree shots too
for form. Like, I was I was as
as form likes to say gaming every bit
of it. So I, like, I built a
flat stable shoot... Standing position to shoot from.
I took my quiver off because it was
pretty windy. I laid arrows out in front
of me. I was ready to western on
that bike. You could say you were stacking
the odds in your face. I was stacking
out on my favor
and
While that buck was embedded, and I could
just see, like, half of his body,
I would stand up and draw my book.
Far. 82 yards. I bought the boat 2
weeks before it.
You shot the deer at 82 yard? Yeah.
Holy shit. And it was Robbie that said,
why don't you use bow on it? Yeah.
It was Robbie that talked to me into
Bow hunting it. But
I... Like I said, I drew on that
buck 5 or 6 times because I'm, like,
I don't want the first time I shoot
at this buck to be the first time
I've looked at him through a keep Mh,
and a sight. Yeah. Because every... I know
I... Because I know from experience, every time
I put cross hairs on a big buck,
and I dry fire on them. I get
a little bit less nervous. Well, so 82...
Some people might say the 82 yards, you
know, is borderline 9. Like, 800 yards. Is
borderline, let's call you out. Was called it
a 800 yard fucking rifle shot. From a
guy and you're telling everybody you just bought
this boat 2 weeks. I mean, how practiced
I know how you are, but how practiced
were you before that moment. So in
I shot 2 or 3 times every single
day, leading up to that. And
you made your drone arrows and all that
shit? Yeah. All my shit was dialed in.
Yeah.
My cousin who's pretty much the reason I
got serious into hunting that that, like, helped
me get started in all of this.
Got, like 2009 ish.
He
was a professional competitive archer.
And I started as a bow hunter. And
I used to shoot the ever living shit
out of a bow. Okay. So you were
a bow hunter at 1 time. And I
would shoot competitively. I'd shoot lee, because I'd
go to 5 hour 3, like, 3 d
shoots a year. Like, I shot leagues every
single week for 3 or 4 years. Mh.
Like, I I could shoot a bow. So
it wasn't like It wasn't like I just
got into bow hunting. I knew I knew
how to shoot a bow. I have really,
really good form. The muscle memory still there,
like, definitely not as good as I used
to be. K. But I shot like I
said, 3 times a day every single day.
You you weren't a beginner at that point.
And the last arrows out of that bow,
I shot, 2 arrow group at 70 yards,
and the arrows were touching with my Broad
heads. So it's like,
and and the shoot 2, like, the the
corrected distance for the angle was 69 yards.
So it's like, that was as far as
I had pins too. So it's like, I
know
my shit is right at that distance. And
the last time I shot
and not really that distance, but that corrected
distance
like the arrows were touching. So it's like,
if I feel calm, I know I'm capable
of making the shot. And the 1 thing
I've got from shooting a lot of big
deer,
is a pretty good nerve for shooting big
deer.
Like, when I shoot at an animal, it's
as good as I can shoot when I'm
not shooting an animal, which is the thing
a lot of people struggle with. Like a
lot of people fall apart when it comes
to that last critical moment.
But I know I can build my situation
to where
I can be calm in that situation. You
were just on the front of a magazine
2 what Magazine was that? Western hunter Magazine.
And how big was that deer?
So when I when I scored them that
night
with 3 other people there, I got 02:16
and a half, but I he broke a
tying off when he fell. He chipped another
tin, and I scored a time that was
an inch... Almost an inch and a half,
but technically not sc.
His his actual official boone crockett score with
the Velvet stripped after the drying period was
02:04 and something. Okay. Like, official score scored
him. I think if he had a broke
and and fallen off, he'd have been, like,
02:08 ish. And where does that fall in
the book there?
Biggest shit for archer tree. U.
There's a lot bigger bucks that official category.
What's that? Biggest shit for,
I I don't I don't know. The whole
separate scoring system for archer tree feels like
a fucking consolation prize to me. I think
it's stupid. I think Boone Crockett gets the
official scoring body. I would agree. I think
if it doesn't... If it doesn't score official
boone and crockett net, then it's not. Mh.
It... I mean, it's still a huge book.
It's I'm not taking anything away from from
any buck scores over 200 inches. But like,
not net non typical
awards is 02:15
Mh. Per boone and Crockett.
So
it had to be
the biggest year or 1 of the top
2 in the state last year.
I don't know of any bigger deer killed
Idaho last year. I was asking Jim because
he's feels it was a tough. Like, I'm
pretty sure Dion the biggest deer shot in
I do. Yeah. For sure with the bow,
Badass ass.
Yeah.
That is so badass.
Speaking of killing Big deer, we should probably
talk a little bit about your
your online subscription you're gonna maybe
do for us. We're we're thinking about doing
thing.
It's kinda like only fans.
It's gonna fall feet. Still a lot of
feet.
What is the deal with the feet of
session guys? Is that do anything for you?
I don't I don't have it either So
I don't fucking get. Feet kinda gross my
Yeah. Me too.
That's what they'll. That's what the foot look...
What the foot looks good. It still grow.
So I don't even know. There are some
gross fucking floating out there. I don't wanna
see them even if they are good.
IIII
say this that I have never looked at
this stuff, but I hear stuff. The dudes
pay more for chicks with hairy feet. No
shit. Yeah. Fuck. I got hairy feet. Let's
get out Yeah. I'm on that place. Do
it. But fuck check. What fuck you have
hobbit you have hobbit feet. Let's
check those tricks. Well to say you're a
check with her...
How the fuck do they know it's a
foot? Yes. They wouldn't. Yeah. They're also fucking
her fart in jars and shipping them Dude.
I can get down with the heart. You
can make some money that way,
like, how do you know it's a chick
fart when it shows up Right? You know
there's don't? Yeah. He just says her far
don't stink and hand you a jar nothing
in? Yeah.
Good. Let's say. Hey, how do they know
it's a woman's foot? If they want hairy
feet if they pay more for hairy feet,
I'm in. That's what I heard. Yeah. Yeah,
Jesus. We're have to bring some cameras I
went downhill quick.
So so, y, You're gonna have this class.
Yeah. So I'm working I'm working with the
shoot to hunt guys, and I'm gonna... I'm
I'm going to more than just tell people
things to look for. I'm gonna explain a
process
for how to find areas
and ways to be as effective as you
can be.
Because it's not just like, here's the here's
the methods I use.
Because the methods I use don't work for
everybody else because
a big part of where the best place
to hunt is where you live.
And you wanna have
as much access to the deer you hunt
as you possibly can. And there's value
that is not proportionally placed to
what's the best place I can hunt, not
necessarily the best place everybody can hunt regionally.
I mean, it's it's not a 1 to
1. Like, the best unit in the country
that's not close to you that you can't
hunt every decade is not the best unit.
The best unit you can hunt is the
closest 1 to your house that produces reasonably
good meal there. That's the place you're gonna
be most. What you say the best tag
in the state was earlier? The best tag
for me.
Is a general Idaho deer tag. That is
the best tag in the state as far
as I'm concerned.
But so we're gonna have we're gonna have
the online shooting school that he just talked
about with form.
We're gonna have Jake's reloading class.
We're gonna have Dion Mo tag, the 1
in only, his meal dear class. I'm pretty
sure I got Robbie and hook doing his
because the thing is is you know this
Robbie hunts 1000 percent different than you in
my opinion. Oh Well,
honestly, he hunts a lot the same. Like,
there... There's a lot different, but a lot
the same. And I look at it and
and from the outside looking in, it would
look a lot different.
But I think if you put me in
his situation, I would be doing things away
he does it because he lives in a
different place. Right. He hunts different units. He
hunts different with his lifestyle? He has he
has different... That's... And that's part of it
too. Like, part of the formula is what
resources do you have?
I mean, can you ride a dirt bike?
Do you have horses?
Are you in good shape? Are you in
bad shape? Like all of these things are
are critically important deciding factors and where and
how you should hunt?
Like,
do you have a boat? There's a lot
of great places that you can drive across
a lake and be all by yourself? Like,
the... It's it's not necessarily
This is how I hunt. This is how
you should hunt. It's here's how I look
at things. Here's the lens I look at
opportunities through.
And here's the different filters I apply to
these different opportunities because, like, there's some opportunities
that I'm not willing to invest the time
energy and resources into, and there's other opportunities
that I am. So it's... And I was
I was talking with Luke about this when
we were talking about how to how to
build out this program and the curriculum.
It's like, you are you are creating
a, I can't remember the term you used
for it To sound a way smarter what
I'm about to say, But
Basically, You never say that about Loop.
He's good at some stuff, and he's hilarious.
He is good. At some. He's a super
good dude. Yeah.
Basically, you need to create a filter for
each and every hunt that you apply...
Like, this is the reasoning and logic that
I'm gonna apply to this hunt.
And and this is gonna affect, like, how
I value certain opportunities.
It's not every everything is not at face
value,
Like, you can... There's a lot of great
resources out there, like epics phenomenal. They have
a lot of great information.
But the unit they say is the best
may not be the best.
For you. It may be the best for
them with with their lifestyle and how they
go about things and their access to the
area
but you need to understand how to value
certain opportunities. And I see so many people
sq things. Like, I I know so many
guys that are waiting for this this draw
tag before they really figure out how to
hunt. Like, they're waiting for... This draw opportunity
before they take a couple weeks off in
the summer to go scouting.
And the sad reality is that, yeah, that
that unit might be marginally better
than a general unit they have access to
every year. But the reality of it is
is that if they put that much time
energy and effort and resources,
into the general unit
for 2 or 3 years, the opportunity in
that general unit is probably better than that
draw unit.
Like the likelihood of them killing a big
buck is much, much, much greater in a
general unit most times than it is in
that draw unit you may never get. And
they just... They spend their whole
window of opportunity. Like, the... There's there's is
a window of opportunity where you are,
able enough and financially able enough to execute
on these things,
and they will waste their time.
Waiting for something
to happen and then not be good enough
to make good on that opportunity.
I
didn't, you know, Call and ask you by
accident. I talk hunting pretty much every day
just like you do just like Jake does,
And I don't outside of Robbie, your strategy,
your thought process, your meticulous
brain.
I've
I know there's not a lot of people
like you. I don't I don't mean that
good or bad.
But the way your thought process is is
unique.
Docking. Mh.
Yeah. We they're moose. No. It's true. Like,
there's no
lots of people
I would say I would throw you and
Robin, like, Jim. And Jim is is his
focus on his kids more now, so he's
not, you know, out there slamming and deer
like he could be. But
meticulous side of you guys. It's like almost
autistic.
Yeah. Yeah. And there's... That... And Robbie talks
about it a lot. Travis H who is
in Travis H. She's another 1 those guys
that I look at. It's like, that guy
knows the shit out of how to find
and kill big deer. Yep. But but every
1 of us is so 80.
It's like these meals your guys are like
cult autistic. We all use straight spotting scope.
Your.
We're all weird. We're all weird. You might
dock but you're still straight. Yeah.
Yeah. But there's... I mean, there's so much
more to it than just... The the this
is how I do it, do it like
me. And and, like, I you can see
it with some of these guys. It's it's
It's really obvious for for somebody you kinda
knows how some of it works. It's like,
man, there's there is a different way of
operating. That some of these guys do. The
guys that are finding and killing big bucks
consistently
in units that nobody thinks there should be
big bucks
they're they are doing something different.
Do you worry talking forums worried about this.
So I'll bring it up. Do you worry
about giving up your secrets?
The sad reality
is that with all of the information in
the world and somebody laying everything out, most
people are still on buy vortex.
They're still... They still aren't gonna do the
work. There's... Like, like I was telling... I
don't remember if it was on the podcast
or not when we're were talking earlier, and
it's like, it's... It's embarrassing how many days
I spend being unsuccessful to kill 1 deer.
Like, the sad reality is that most people
still won't do the work. Like... Yeah.
I I hope that people will benefit greatly
from the information that I'm gonna share with
them. I hope that people feel like it's
worthwhile. Like, it The the thing I was
most concerned with when you approached me about
this is that can I produce something that's
gonna be worth somebody's hard earned money to
buy?
And I hope that people make good on
it, but the sad reality is that most
guys probably still won't do the things they
have to do to be.
To to be impacting me. At least. Mh.
There's... I think I hope everybody that gets
it's gonna find something that is absolutely making
it worthwhile and increases their odds sis. Yeah.
I think the odds of somebody being a
fucking weird. Some bitch like me and doing
what it... Doing everything I do to the
point where screws up a hunt for me
is pretty low.
It's funny You say, well I spent a
lot because Robbie explains that I am. If
you look at me as per day spent
to kill this deer. I'm a fucking terrible
hunter. Right I think it's funny how you
guys say that. But also, if... That's what
makes you kill the big deer in the
end. Yeah.
I like to think I can consistently produce
a buck that most people would be like
overjoyed with in the best draw unit in
the state of Idaho.
I wanna do that every single year in
a general unit. That's easy for Jake.
01:40 babies 01:40.
I think the sad reality is that, like,
I know so many guys that have every
skill and ability I have that don't kill
the deer I do.
I know so many guys who III
am not good at a lot of the
parts of this. Like, as I learned a
couple weeks ago and Have said for years,
I'm not the best shooter.
I I don't have the best vision. I'm
I'm not that great a glass. I'll sit
down with you know, I've... I take a
lot of other people hunting and have a
lot of people that I try and help
coach along.
And most of them see as many or
more dear than I do.
It's just I'm gonna be out there, the
whole goddamn day every day, and I'm gonna
do it 10 times more than them through
the summer. But like, there's so many people
that have every skill and ability that I
have
and don't get the results I do.
What, do you think most of them settle?
I think it's a lot of settling, and
I think it's a lot of people who
don't have whatever weird thing. It is my
brain that don't let me quit. Why we
talk about. There's a lot of hunters that
wanna go out and hunt, but they don't
actually wanna kill something. Yeah. So same guys
that don't actually wanna test drop test or
whatever their rifle. They don't wanna know their
rifle not gonna shoot. They just wanna they
wanna go out there with. And I do
think in my opinion, and I'll say this
as an Elk counter. I think it's easier
to find a decent bowl because just their
size, they're herd
to kill in a deer, and I see
people like, settle on Elk? And I'm like,
dude. Why why are you doing that? I
imagine it's also a lot more so in
here. And so much so much of my
success is predicated off a past success. It's
like, I've... So I've been in enough situations
where the odds are stacked against me, and
it doesn't look like the likely outcome is
me being successful. But I've also had so
much success in the past that I know
to not settle.
And I keep trying and trying and trying
and trying and trying until shit works.
Where I think a lot of guys would
have just said, hey, everything looks wrong.
I'm gonna tag out on this book. Mh.
I prefer just to be happy with this
small 5 and maybe 1 quarter here. And
just life life is just a lot of
guy through late much happy. And Life is
just easier that way. How that that actually
you another question. How many times have you
went into the general either archer or fucking
rifle season and you didn't have a buck?
It's been a couple times in the last
few years. Is her? Yeah.
Most of the time I've got something found,
but it's been really tough the last few
years. Like, deer hunting in Idaho
has been exceptionally hard.
Pretty much since 20 17.
Like the... That that winter. That we destroyed
our. It's mostly winter. Yeah. Winter as as
much as people like to think that we
control things, we really, really don't. The weather
controls the deer as
More than anything by like tenfold. Mh If
we have good moisture and mild winners, the
deer will do well.
If we have bad winners
and a dry climate, we're not gonna grow
deer. Like, we're gonna kill deer in the
winter, and we're not gonna grow them in
the summer.
Deer sites. This is my opinion from the
outside. I keep hearing this
overcrowded
overcrowded. I've always seen people. That's easy to
dis disprove. So that hasn't been the case
for me. If I've seen those people. If
you look, so,
another real good friend of mine, Ryan hat
field hasn't... Awesome awesome book that if you
care at all about Deere and Idaho, you
should buy. Yes 2. He 2 books. Yeah.
Yeah.
So in in his book,
what is Idaho greatest meal. Yep. In his
book, Idaho greatest mule dear, the... I don't
remember if it's the first 1 or the
second 1 I'm pressures in the first 1.
It points out how many hunters
in the state of Idaho are hunting gear
every year.
You know, it... It's also phony that people
complain about non residents because we have cap
non residents in every unit now. Yep. But...
We have less hunter
participation than we had through some of the
best years we had deer hunting and Idaho.
I don't remember the exact years. I don't
remember the exact numbers. I'm not gonna make
shit up just to say a number.
But at the amount of hunters we have,
hunting mule deer or deer in general in
the state of Idaho right now is no
higher than it's been in the past.
I think a lot of what people are
complaining about now is that
people hunt longer,
So there's not more people, but the people
that are there are there longer. And I
think the biggest reason why people complain about
non residents. There's 2 reasons. 1. They try
harder than you, they're more successful than you.
They quit complaining about people that are better
than you. You can try harder and be
better too. Like, the guys who come from
another state and pay non resident prices are
not showing up for the weekend and they're
not gonna not quit. Like, They're not gonna
show up and not try hard. They're trying
harder than you, and they're probably better.
And the other thing... Yeah. I got sidetracked.
That's 1 of the things that makes me
angry because I'm a non resident in a
lot more states than I'm a resident in.
And when people complain about non residents, it's
like, the they're... Oh, their numbers are capped.
There's a certain amount of them that can
hunt every unit every year. There's not more
of them than there is you. You're just
seeing them coincidentally, and they probably are in
better places because they're probably better hunters.
Better it's better East outer. Yeah. This goes
back to the what we started with. People
just wanna fucking bitch and wine about things.
I, to this day, there are there are
units like, we'll take... We'll spotlight 1 unit
because it... I've been there. 39 is a
fucking busy place. Yeah. You can't fuck up
39. It's already fucked. It's already fucked up.
But you can find big fucking deer in
39.
Killed a 9 and a half year old
deer in 39 years ago. Me and Jim
found a fucking monster. We fucked up on
it. So I mean, you can find them.
It's... I don't see that as being the
problem. I think when you go back to
those earlier days, there was more private land,
and it was easier honey. They could shoot
that little buck they wanted to shoot from
the road. Now you probably gotta work little
harder. And those non residents are working harder
than you. Agree with that. Well, in 30
nine's such a weird situation. Like, if if
you wanna look look far enough back.
Like, 39 is kind of ham by winter
range,
for people who are from you're with Southern
Idaho. There's actually an area called deer flat.
It's clear over towards caldwell will
20 plus, maybe 30 miles away from Boise.
That was historical winter inch for mule. All
of them mule that winter on the Boise
front in the mountains,
used to winter 20 plus miles further away.
So, like, her
Winter range is is kind of 1 of
the more critical components of what dictates the
carrying capacity of a deer herd. Now if
they have really, really good summer range, they
can basically starve most of the winter and
they won't die. If it's not a hard
enough winner.
But You know, there's there's so much going
on in this whole thing. And and those
deer are even shifting further south than what
their historical winter ranges is just from,
new neighborhoods being built and in development. But...
Well, the thing is me is stop bitch,
look harder or the efficient game gonna make
some revenues that nobody likes. See. Yeah. Fishing.
When fishing game gives us a a solution,
it's nothing. It's not We want. And we
rarely ever go back. Yeah. And I don't
want what they're... And that's not fishing games
fault. No. They're taking in the community... They
community their comments. They're trying to get people
to stop whining. They manage people more than
they manage game. So when you complain, in
your television fishing game, there's a problem
more likely than not their solution is to
manage you.
Correct.
To get the whine to stop, and the
wine will never stop. Yeah.
Alright. We're getting into our 20 minutes. We
gotta talk real quick about your new Jimmy
and the bolt knobs.
Yeah. I put some stuff out on the
table if you guys are watching on Youtube
there. We talked a little bit about. This
was an inspiration from the...
The thread.
So the nit dried and lightning cuts on
this action here. Something we're still doing something
still very popular.
We can remove 4 ounces off the ash
you can nit dry it, or you can
delete or code it.
From the horse's mouth.
What's the lead time? I know we changed
it? We gotta be open and honest it
was. 6 or 8 weeks. Oh, yeah. So
it was set it was basically you said
at 3 weeks for machining and 3 weeks
for nit tried. That was my bad because
somebody said 6, So I split it in
2 in reality was 6 for both. Okay.
Now we're just... We're we're at 12 weeks.
Sometimes it doesn't take that long. Sometimes it
does. It has to do with batch and
how many... We have to wait for a
certain amount of actions before we can send
them in. So there's some, you know,
some different things there. But it says 12
weeks in the product description, but, still doing
it still available, and now we have a
new can what we're gonna have several different
bolt handles and knobs, but the current 1
that's the most popular is the short standard
with the 1 inch ball.
This is forms design and forms approved.
Malicious. For malicious. You got... You you buy.
I got what Would you buy 3 4
Instead
what's your opinion on the... Its ability to
improve your bolt cycling?
When you actually understand the mechanics of how
you're supposed to run a bolt? They are
much, much better. Oh, yeah. Like it as
as a naive person going into it, I
would've have thought they were kinda silly. Mh
But when when form
physically
demonstrates and explains to you why you want
this design.
So a few things they do,
number 1 where they're a little bit shorter,
you are less likely to bump it. 1
of 1 of the issues with the Tee
design is that the bolt where it hangs
out if you are to bump the bolt
up slightly,
you can get a light strike on the
primer. So that's 1 of the issues with
the tee Where these are no shorter?
Or these are shorter, you're less likely to
screw that up. Yeah. So it'll still fire
from, you know, a few degrees up at
a position. Yeah. But your your engagement and
your fire pin
ignition is not the same. Yeah. You will
get light primer strikes if it is up
high enough. Mh. So you are less likely
to bump. It's more out of the way,
so you can be... Sloppy and not screw
up the gun. Like, it's it's a you
screwing up the gun issue.
The other thing where it comes out straight.
It also puts it at a position where
if you are properly on the gun, you
don't actually have to remove your wrist from
the gun. Like, you can
without moving your arm nearly as much as
the normal bolt, you are able to cycle
the bolt almost entirely with a wrist movement
which makes you way faster on cycling the
bolt, and it's also moving the gun less,
the less you move your position and the
less you move the gun, the faster you
can make a follow ups shot. We're gonna
have a video of him doing form doing
it because... Oh, yeah, It looks like almost
medic. He can run the boat with the
first... 2 fingers and fire with his middle
finger and almost look like a full freaking
auto. Yeah. It's a pretty... Yeah. It's fast.
It's really. Hey. Once... Yeah. Once I saw
how they worked, it's like, I need that
a lot of those. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah.
So new bolt handle knob. Now there's gonna
be also a long standard and then some
skeleton
versions as well as, several other bolt knobs.
But that's the only 1 that's available for
the moment. The rest will be out and
in within a couple months. We got new
Ammo cad just come out.
This 1 is a 3 stack 223.
The reason why we come out with this
is is simply to solve some issues with
the other 2 round type of holders. Most
of those issues revolve on the the ammunition
falling out.
A lot of guys, like, 33 x feet,
we'll be walking through the woods of the
rifle. You got 2 rounds on the side
of the rifle because it's a single feed.
And by the time you get back the
rounds are gone. This can't happen with that.
Have a short magnum short standard and and
then a 3 round 223 so far.
Ryan requested a larger Jimmy. So not because
he's larger in stature, but because his pressures
are.
So before we had basically a 4 inch
version for just the end of the suppressor.
This was kinda of my idea to cover
all the different links, but Ryan brought up
that you like it to be basically full
gi full
fit 1718.
Full coverage. 1.71
0.8 I should say diameter kit. Yeah. And
then it's also 7 inches long now. Yeah.
It's waterproof. It's so if it's really hard
to tape up, like, a a Skype with
a break on the end, you doesn't tape
the shit out of it. Yeah. All the
new brake suppressor coming out from thunder and
whatnot.
Yeah. So this is a magnum short and
a magnum long, basically 4 inch suppressor and
7 inch suppressor. So the 7 inch inches
the new size.
Having to be a rock stock out here
just for whatever. Then we got the new
tk
magazine
just kinda sitting here as a teaser or
the bottom metal done, the mag are almost
all the way done.
So we'll have a Proprietary bottom and mag
will allow for 3.5
inches plus,
inside the magazine. It's gonna be
5 rounds standard and 4 rounds magnum that
includes belt at magnum. We actually tested this.
The idea behind this bottom mag guys that
you could take a
a tee rifle out of the factory box
and drop this bottom and mag replace the
bolt stop so which it will come with,
and you're gonna bump all the way from
334 up to 354.
So 2 full tenths of an inch added
to your length,
and additional magazine capacity.
Yeah. So that's a that's just about to
come out here in a minute. Lots of
nice new little. Tri it. And we're not
gonna stop there. We're we're in the process
of working on a tee bolt, and that
will evolve into a tee action.
This will be a a Us made ti
action that probably has all the bells and
whistles already attached to it, but still a
ticket trigger all that good stuff.
Yeah. We're probably not gonna stop there. It'll
be everything and anything. Now we have Dion
testing out some primer. Oh, yeah. I brought
those so we scored some white River energetic
primer and I wanna see if I wanna
be carrying those here at the shop. So
he has the Ocd level for proper testing.
So I gave them
I have the right disorders. You you do.
He has the autism.
So... You gotta touch the.
He's on the spectrum.
So when he comes back, let's know basically
do some Es Ssd slash velocity testing compared
to the normal Cci 02:50 slash fed 02:15
match primer most of us are using. As
you all well know large rifle primer in
general are extremely hard to get.
Yeah. So that's white River Energetic is a
new Us prime supplier back east,
and we'll see how that goes pretty soon
once he, I'm sure it'll have a report
I'm a shoot points next week Gotta go.
No. Got a sweet new apple to try
to burn down. No. Yeah. What do you
got? Got... I got me Tikka. A take
to a. Take. 22 cr. What do we
do as a chic sport ace barrel. Yep.
Flute. Yep. Got
did it all up.
7 or 7 and a half.
I think I thought it was 7.7.
I might be making that up. 7 and
a half, maybe. Yeah. Let's is call 7
and a half. K.
88 Yield.
Yes. Alright. Good deal.
Potentially killing a moose here in a minute.
Hoping to killing him moose. Did you got
it though. We've got to Yeah. Get gonna
triple tap him because I shoot that fast.
What's your.
Alright. You got last word what you got
for us? Anything? Oh, man. I don't know.
I'm just excited about the new stuff you
guys are making.
I get... I'd... Well, it'd be honest with,
a lot that, you know, a lot of
this the at least the whole tee side
of things has to do with guys like
yourself. I know you went through your pro...
Us as of getting through, you know, getting
rid of 700 stuff moving into tee for
your reason. Had gone sale. Like, literally, I've
got I've got on video with a high
1 eighties buck. Us where I go to
shoot him as he's walking through the timber
literally set up a camera. I'm on the
gun. I'm, like, dry firing. As I can
see bits and pieces of him through the
timber. He steps into the opening our run
a bullet,
like the safety off.
Click. Yep. Gun doesn't go off. And I'm
I'm having a panic attack then I I
pull the bullet out. Dry fire, the gun
a whole bunch of times, move the camera
to the next opening, deer happens to walk
into it and I get him killed. But
I got it on video of this gun
fucking up to No. And it was a
it was a trigger problem. It wasn't the
gun. It was it was Remington 700 trigger.
Like, there's just issues with Remington 700 triggers.
And I've had hunts where I've gone...
And I I know from experience where guns,
like, stuff freezes. I was negative 8 on
a hunt, and I I remember every... Hour.
I was setting alarm to remind myself to
drive fire gun just nothing froze. Like, I'm
gonna run this bolt and and drop the
firing and pan every hour so that I
know it's not frozen. Mh. And the tic
are just... They're they're not immune,
but you're a lot less likely to have
that stupid shit ruin your hunt. No. At
to call it the nor title special where
it gets s right before red for dark
and that freezes up hard. Yeah. And it's
really screwed me out of things where the
ticket
does... I'm not gonna say, Tik always will
run, but you can get it also when
it is fucked up, you can get it
to run faster. You don't have to take
it and totally warm it up to get
it to work again. You can bang on
it. You can run it a few times
and then it'll start fire and and that
matter, especially for... Well, and shit, like a
little, like, I've learned... I learned from from
super cold weather hunts, like don't sleep with
your gun in your tent. You will condensate
that thing out and you will freezing out
your gun. Mh. Like, leave it outside. Is
it as hard as it is on my
brain to just leave the gun outside and
say it's better getting snow on it.
Like, it's just... The the that that that's
what that's what. That's what made the Jimmy
become born has as a product is that
Ryan had his... Upside down as his solution
for not having, you know, it frees up
inside. Puts the rifle upside down. Mh. And
he just... He had to find something to
put the suppressor or whatever. Yeah. And that's
what that's where the Jimmy came from. Yeah.
Yeah Yeah that's what first hunts. I the
same thing. I leave mine against the tree,
like upside down with come times in the
tent and, you will run into problems shit
freezing up. You have less issues with the
tee.
Absolutely.
So anyways, yeah. So we're we're all in
on the tee shit. You guys ever have
tea guide Ideas your? Welcome to
let us know, but we're not gonna stop
till we have all the parts.
Yep. I didn't tell, Jake. We're gonna change
this up a little bit. We were pulling...
Welcome
given away, rings, the premier or the tee
rings for Youtube
subscribers, but now we're gonna change it up
because we need some speak pipes.
Okay. So if we use your speak pipe,
we're gonna give you either your choice of
premier rings or take ring. So... Oh, I
gotta do is go to the website. It
says leave a message right on the front
page.
Leave us a message. And if we answer
that 1, we will send you something. And
Ryan's buy, so bring them on.
Oh, we didn't talk about that.
Your idea, baby. Okay. I guess Bio.
Oh, alright. So you Please leave us a
speak. If It's really simple and easy. And
if you have a question for me or
Jake in No, It has to be a
good question. Yeah. Well, you can't... Like, we
get a lot of stupid fucking questions. I
hate. The can't just should be Luke calling
in talking about jake
Yeah. You do that. People say there's no
stupid questions. I agree. There's just stupid fucking
people. Yeah. So don't be stupid. That'll be
right by decisions so you better first trying
your hardest. Yeah Yeah. Get credit. Yeah. You
no no fucking credit. But if you're serious
and you have a question for me, Jake,
you can also get a ahold of us
off the record at podcast at shoot ton
dot com. You can find Dion at.
Hey it is a it's on rock. Instagram
my name. Instagram. Wild underscore idaho.
You're... I'm not real active on there. And
what's cross rock slide lot And what's your
name on Rock slide? Just my name. Dot.
Yeah. There you go. I totally what I
think I
Honestly, though, I don't think it let me
do just my name though. It might have
been like a length
requirement.
I think it's just the though isn't I
thought it was d. I thought free. Oh,
I think it is D. Yeah. There's only
1 of you dude. Yeah. It's just me.
Alright. Thanks for listening. Thank you.