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Hello and welcome to another episode of the

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shock doctor's podcast. I'm Jim Smith. I'm Matt

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J Daisy.

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And we are the shock doctors.

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In this episode, we're going to be discussing

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long legs, which is the latest film from

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Oz perkins,

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and

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oh boy.

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Yeah. It's the

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I finally, that big dark rain cloud that's

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always hanging over my head whenever I'm poo

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poo talk to me or whatever, a movie

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like that. Ill it has has finally

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painted.

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Ray of light has shown through. I like

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this movie a lot. I like it as

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much. I think it's it's it's sort of...

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It's Os goods

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first normal movie, I would say. And I

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would I would tend to agree with that.

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It's still fairly like I know what you

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mean.

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Yeah. No. I mean, it's it's not a

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a studio pot boiler by any stretch.

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But it is it is more of a

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crowd please than I was expecting. It got

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laugh lines in it. It's got rep tay.

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It's not as

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chili and alien.

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As his work often is... Yeah. It's a

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police procedural for the most part with horror

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overt tones and a super natural twist. It's

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very much in the vein of

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silence of the lambs, and it's a nineties

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period piece, which I did not know going

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in. We were just talking, I think in

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the last episode the Magazine episode about how

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the nineties got the short end of the

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stick, and it feels like at best

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there's, like, as much eighties and nineties pan

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happening right now, roughly evenly distributed.

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But the eighties that, I think it's an

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overstate. Well, yeah. But in and even if

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that were the case, it would be too

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little too late because the eighties have been

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steam rolling us for... I don't even know

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how long at this point, but this takes

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us back to the Clinton years in a

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very pronounced way his his thesis his picture

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is hanging on the wall during a few

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key scenes. Well

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headquarters. It's not just a police procedural. It's

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a fed's

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procedural. And

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true to form, they have

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presidential portraits up all over the place, and

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it is Bill Clinton.

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Appears to be

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first term bill Clinton, which I think holds

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with how all the fucking cars look.

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Yeah. Which is usually my benchmark.

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It being said in the nineties, it being

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about the feds

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and them hunting a serial killer, but with

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a supernatural twist gives it a little bit

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of a twin peaks vibe, a little bit

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x files. It is really hitting

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more than 1 sweet spot for me. So

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I was just, like a puppy getting its

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belly rubbed for the most part in this

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movie. And and so I was able to

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suspend any

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expectation that it had to be the scariest

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film of all time, which it isn't. Right.

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it was marketed,

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it had a marketing campaign, and I'm not

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the first person to point this out. It

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had a marketing push that would make William

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cast old blush. You know, These really h

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tried and true carnival barker tactics.

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Come see long legs. And if you die

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of fright, we'll pay your funeral expenses that

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kind of that kind of William Castle, Roger

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Cor shit.

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And it still puts asses and seats apparently.

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I was in a packed house, and I

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was kind of dread that as soon as

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I saw that we were gonna be shu

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it off into the corner because all the

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good seats were spoken for. I I thought,

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well, this is this has been marketed.

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To within an inch of its life, everyone

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is gonna go in expecting a thrill a

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minute kind of thing, and then you're just

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gonna get a whole theater full of

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restless people who are watching an Oz perk

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slow burn.

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So I I felt I felt like a

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meteor epidemiologist watching, like, conditions for a perfect

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storm developing like, oh, this is this is

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gonna be... They gonna end well. Yeah. But

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it... They they were perfectly well behaved there

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were some some gas, so the woman next

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to me was jumping and and jolt around

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and her see very gratifying

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to witness and just exist in the vicinity

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of. It was 1 of the better movie

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going experiences I've had in quite some time.

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experience. My screening was not at all full

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in part because you're living in a a

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metropolitan area, and I drove into Flint. But

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when I pulled up to the theater,

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I saw, like,

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6 to 8 cars in the parking a

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lot, and I figured that long legs would

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not be the big draw. At noon on

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a Sunday.

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alone or with 1 other person. And to

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my surprise, it's seemed like the majority of

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people at the theater at that particular moment

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were there to see long legs. Now again,

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that amounted to. 10 or 12 other people,

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but still, it was Yeah. It was kind

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of neat to see because I like you

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did not necessarily anticipate this movie

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doing numbers. Obviously, it's got Nick cage attached

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to it, and he could still be something

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of a box office straw. Even after all

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of his years of direct to video garbage.

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They've been carefully

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aligning his face, which is also very old

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school. The kind of thing that Roger Cor

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or William Castle would have done. Like, you

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gotta you gotta pay up before you can

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go into the freak tent. You know. We

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you don't you don't get to see you

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don't get to see the bearded lady for

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free. You gotta pony over some cold hard

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cash, and then we'll show you what long

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legs looks like. So the that... I think

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that's enticing to people, which is amazing in

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an Internet age

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that his face... I was expecting his face

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to be plastered all over Twitter within a

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day of this movie going into wide release,

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but I went in un spoiled. His visit

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is pretty interesting. We'll get there when we

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get there. Yeah. But Yeah. It's it's it's

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kind of a normal movie by Oz standards.

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It's it's a crowd please,

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grand old time.

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to the marketing. I mean... But it is

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it is just sort of more thoroughly and

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consistently

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entertaining.

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that rather than it being jump out of

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your seat scary

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is the real selling point and why it

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might have legs at the box office, long

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legs even. It's kind of got the nun

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which, you know, I mean, it's it's

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it's not consistent with the con verse in

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terms of its underlying theology or it's just

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disposition or its style There's a moment in

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it when the protagonist mother says that praying

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never did anybody any goddamn good, and I

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was like Jesus Ed Lorraine found dead in

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a ditch.

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so so refreshing to watch a movie where

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you just know

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that that sort of thing is not gonna

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save the day.

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It just kind of rips that safety blanket

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away from you. And it's like, good. I'm

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I'm actually watching a horror movie. It's not

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sermon at. Not watching

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something from angel films.

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Pure flex. Yeah. Going back to the marketing

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for this film, the 1 blurb

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that I saw rattling around in a couple

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of places was, you know,

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long legs making people vomit by the score,

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or something to that effect. And every time

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I read about a horror movie making more

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than 1 person in the whole country vomit,

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believe it. It's not. Gotta be, like, contaminated

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popcorn at or at a preview screening. Or

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something. Deliberately contaminated.

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I'd be ever exact poison to popcorn.

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particularly, at least it makes some sem of

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sense when they're, like, terri

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too. People are vomiting left and the right.

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I was like, okay. Yeah. I get it.

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That's that movie's

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s. Damian Leon just trying to make everyone

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vomit. I I get it. I'm uni unemployed,

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and I don't believe it, but it makes

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more sense here is... No.

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Oz perkins is not doing anything that is

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going to make you nauseous.

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It might make your soul feel sick.

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I I asked I asked Matt before we

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started recording if he felt a a bone

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deep soul sickness, And he he said he

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did not. No. I I can't say that

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I do, but that's not a mark against

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to the movie. I think that I just

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found it to the word I used before

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was gratifying in reference to, the woman sitting

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next to me. Normally, there's... It's like uri,

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you know, in the men's restroom. You leave

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us space seat. Yeah. Not so today. I

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did not have that option. So I was

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privy to every little shutter and sc.

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It's, you know, not to... I mean, I

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feel like I'm sound like long legs, like

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I'm re the pain of a stranger, but

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she was having a great time. After the

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movie, she turned to her friend and was

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like, that was so good.

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elect,

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and I mean, we'll we'll, maybe my... I'll

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change my tune. And after the sun goes

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down, I don't think I will. But because

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I've heard that it has that kind of

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fridge effect, you know, where it's, like, it

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it kind of sets in later. I think

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that's what Hitchcock called it, the, like, or

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the ice box

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effect or something like that where you... As

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you're, like, go into the fridge or the

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freezer later that evening and something I think

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that that was in reference to, like, plot

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holes. So he doesn't want people to notice

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plot holes until well after the movie is

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over. Mh. But III feel like fridge horror

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is like a it's probably a half remembered

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Tv tropes ism

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anyway. But I get what you're saying. It's

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it's maybe I will change my tune after

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it sat with me a little longer for

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the time being, though, I just feel g

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and energized and pretty gun h about it.

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It it left me feeling cheerful

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my sweet spots, basically.

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the same sweet spots because we have those

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in common as we've talked about on a

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number of occasions. But it did take me,

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like, 5 or 6 minutes

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to kinda shake it off. You. Yeah. I

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I sat all the way through to the

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end of the credits letting t rex wash

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over me.

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And wondering if that would help a little

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bit. And then I got up, and I'm

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walking out of the theater. I just kinda

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like,

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just Yeah. The the ending is pretty harrowing.

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Although there's a Gallo humor

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laugh line even in there. True. That is

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pretty exquisite.

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And It's just not something I would have

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expected from old oz. I figured. I don't

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know. His the first 2 movies are, like,

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almost

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With, like, how little of a shit they

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give

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about giving you something to munch popcorn too.

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Yeah. And then after I got on the

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road, and I was, like, Yeah. That's great.

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I love it. Yeah. But I am curious

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like you to see regardless of what Tv

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tropes might call the effect, what specific name

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a white sign, just seeing whether you get

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recurring

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impact once it gets dark up,

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and you you you start jumping at shadows.

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A little bit. It reminds me of at

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least 1 movie that did grow on me

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in that way, like a mold, which is

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cure by Kyo K

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U. That they have left me kinda cold.

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When I first watched it, but it has

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that literally mesmerizing

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kind of quality that I've I've gone back

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to it a couple times and it risen

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in my esteem. Also there might be something

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a little bit cosmological

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going on with all of this because as

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of as it so happens, we are recording

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this episode on the 14. Oh sweet Jesus.

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How did I not notice?

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That's nice.

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Hopefully, there is a next episode and that

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we're not found Butcher. Well, given that we

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are not neither 1 of us is a

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father with a tidy, little nuclear family.

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Hopefully, that means we're safe, because we are

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outside of long legs o.

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That's true. He does have a type, and

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that's another thing that took me back to

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Thomas Harris, the Fbi profile

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aspect of all of it, the will graham

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sort of, you know, getting into the mind

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of the monster

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thing. I don't know. IIIII

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mentioned on Twitter tweet didn't get any real

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traction. I got 1 response though that did

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interest me in which I'm about to reg

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here. What I said was that I don't

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need this movie to be scary because it

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is checking so many boxes for me just

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on its face that if it's even half

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successful, I'll feel like I won the movie

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power ball. Right. It's it's it's as the

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7 silence of the Lambs thing got a

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little bit of cure in there. I couldn't

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be happier. And the response that I got,

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can't remember from who was that it's it's

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funny

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how few movies we get like this now

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because the whole genre has basically been banished

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to television.

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Yeah. And I would not really want to

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see a version of long legs that was

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stretched out over

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6 to 10 episodes.

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I think that it's... That would that would

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have... It's bled out the tension for sure.

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Yeah. Yeah. It is. It's it's the whole

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thing is kind of it's not gonna make

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you jump out of your seat, but I

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did feel like I was on the edge

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of my seat the whole time and

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not possible to sustain. I don't think over

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however, many hours, 5 to 10 hours, and

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that edge of your seat tension is not

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really reproducible

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to any 1 thing. I mean, there are

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scares in the movie, but

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I was leaning forward even when

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not much of anything was going on. Which

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does speak to my pro, you know, and

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and my net. I'm I'm I'm predisposed

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to like this kind of stuff, but I

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think it also speaks to the filmmakers

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prowess that the air never gets led out

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of the tire even for a moment.

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Yeah. Speaking of how this genre has been

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banished to television. I think the most obvious

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point of comparison for me is

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mind hunter? Yeah. It's a show I thought

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of because there is at least some of

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the time, a bit of a venture color

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palette going on Yeah. Especially in that barn

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at the very es flashlight beams.

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Yeah. But then there are other times where

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it's a lot different, just stylist statistically, which

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makes sense because Oz Perkins and David Finch

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fisher. They have some things in common some

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of the time, but they're not really all

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that similar.

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But, yeah. I like mind hunter a lot

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too, and that's just yet another great film

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television series, what have you that this movie

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was summon up, and that just all all

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the more reason why it... It stands out

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as being very good. Yeah. Well, AAA

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Tv show can be cut down in it's

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prime due to the whim of fate and

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article.

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David Finch ventured

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not being able to make things cheaply enough.

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Yeah. Right.

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But but a movie, you know, once it's

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in the can, it's in the can. As

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long as David's Za love doesn't delete it.

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They live forever. Yeah. Exactly. Unless unless it's

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a special case like, horizon, which has... Yeah.

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I'm a Kevin Cost horizon, I mean, which

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is in Limbo, like a Tv show would

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be,

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but that's a a very special nigh unprecedented

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case.

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Yes. For sure. Well, or about 20 minutes

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into the recording already. So I'm I'm going

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to do the very brief setup, and then

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Matt will kick us off here. Yeah. I

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could I could just keep wall like a

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pig and shit because that's how I feel,

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and I will do it. That will recur

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throughout the recording. I'm sure. But, yeah, let's

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get a move on. Yeah.

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So the film follows

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both this serial killer named long legs, played

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by Nicholas Cage,

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and also a young Fbi

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agent played by Mike Monroe. Name is Lee,

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what is it?

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Parker. So there's a there's a horror gene

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there going back to Dracula.

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Beautiful, which I liked.

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Yes. Leigh Har. Thank you. And she is

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basically

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hunting for him. She's not hunting for him

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from the jump,

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but in some ways, she kind of is,

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and we'll we'll get into that. And he's

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kind of hunting for her from the jump.

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And that's even more than kind stuff. That's

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pretty.

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Pretty much straight up.

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But it is interesting because not only is

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Mike and Monroe character kind of a Cla

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Star or a Will graham. She's also them

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splice with Robert Gray

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from Zodiac.

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Yeah.

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Eagle scout. But see right. I don't think

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they let women be Eagles scouts in the

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nineties, unfortunately.

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I'm sure bet they do now. But in

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addition to the fact that she is at

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least

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for a little while, relatively early on, solving

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cipher.

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Which a lot of what Jake Sc Hall

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gets up to in Zodiac.

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They also just have kind of a a

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similar

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odd ball intensity to them, kind of a

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an awkward

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and a bit of a a staring sort

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of weirdness to them. It's the the fact

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that they are the protagonists,

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which is unusual. They're saddle with this sort

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of... Either, you could just get the sense

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that they never really learned to interface with

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other people correctly, and it puts them... It

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makes it easier for them to tap into

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that serial killer wavelength,

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You know, because they're also kind of at

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a remove. Yeah. On the looking... Yeah. Right.

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Looking at the rest of the human race

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as if through bin vernacular from a distance.

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Right. Which is a trope that I loved

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dearly.

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It being

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said in the nineties speaking of Zodiac also

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gets you that much closer. You know, it

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helps you tap into that x files twin

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peaks. Sort of head space, which I also

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love, but it also gets you that much

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closer to the golden age of serial killers

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because long legs has been operating.

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For 30 odd years at the time that

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the movie opens a a series of family

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massacres spanning several decades,

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and he got his start in the mid

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sixties. I think 66 is the date that

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they throw out. Yeah. And you could tap

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into that herd Dirty man kind of Manson

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Zodiac thing. And have it be set in

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the present day if he were a million

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years old, but I think that it being

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set in the nineties.

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He's still got more lot possible.

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He's got a a long track record, but

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not cartoon initially long. Yeah. And he doesn't...

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You don't have to just assume that he's

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going to be d decrypt.

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Yeah. Right.

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It'll be joking me wrong or something. The

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nineties

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iteration of long legs appears to have seen

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better days, but he's not really dramatically

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worse or weirder looking than his earliest appearances.

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Yeah. And we begin, the movie opens, we

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open with 1 of those appearances,

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very much in line with the marketing. The

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movie itself

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collide, long legs face for

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roughly the first half of it. Yeah. And

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it's not as

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gh

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as you'd expect it to be given how

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coy they are. I mean, he's off putting,

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but you can understand

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how he's able to go out in public

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without just elicit screams. Right. The first person

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that we see

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lay on him looks pretty non plus and

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in fact, has dealt with him before, the

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sort of disinfected teenage girl I tell a

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lie because this pro lock also has a

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character

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laying eyes on him, a character that's ultimately

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revealed to be our protagonist Lee Har as

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a young girl, but we don't know rid

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off the bat. We maybe suspect it, tropes

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being what they are. But in any case,

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long legs approaches, this little girl who is...

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It's quite a tense scene. There's a car

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that she appears to not recognize,

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parked outside her house. It's a snowy scene

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kinda quiet and tranquil well, but with this

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obvious note of unease,

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and she catches a glimpse of someone dart

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around at the back of the house and

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pursues the figure into the backyard and then

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gets jump scared and we see just the

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lower half

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of long legs face, just this kind of

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g mouth, this Ashley skin palette sorta of

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corp

535
00:21:05,721 --> 00:21:07,634
creature, but we don't. You know, it it

536
00:21:07,634 --> 00:21:09,967
doesn't doesn't look inhuman or anything.

537
00:21:10,662 --> 00:21:14,182
And long legs says a bunch of spooky

538
00:21:14,261 --> 00:21:16,727
Gibberish, and we get our title drop. And

539
00:21:16,727 --> 00:21:19,432
there's 1 line I wanna highlight because it's

540
00:21:19,432 --> 00:21:21,838
the sting before we get the title drop.

541
00:21:22,317 --> 00:21:24,789
He's like, oh, I'm I... I'm not even

542
00:21:24,789 --> 00:21:26,305
gonna try and do the voice because it's

543
00:21:26,305 --> 00:21:28,538
too it's too weird, and I'm just gonna

544
00:21:28,538 --> 00:21:30,621
ruin it, but it's like, Oh, I wore

545
00:21:30,621 --> 00:21:33,979
my long legs today. And so he cro

546
00:21:34,115 --> 00:21:35,329
down abruptly

547
00:21:35,782 --> 00:21:38,243
into frame, presumably to get more on her

548
00:21:38,243 --> 00:21:38,481
level.

549
00:21:39,131 --> 00:21:41,434
And yeah. We don't. As you said, we

550
00:21:41,434 --> 00:21:43,340
don't get any time really to look at

551
00:21:43,340 --> 00:21:45,007
his face. It just kind of lu in

552
00:21:45,007 --> 00:21:46,278
and then before we can look at it.

553
00:21:46,849 --> 00:21:49,580
You know, we get a big scare cord

554
00:21:49,638 --> 00:21:50,674
surge and

555
00:21:51,153 --> 00:21:53,464
cut to red, I think at the title

556
00:21:53,464 --> 00:21:54,261
drop, long legs.

557
00:21:55,072 --> 00:21:57,302
And it jan my nerves, but good. I'll

558
00:21:57,382 --> 00:21:58,121
I'll tell you,

559
00:21:59,134 --> 00:22:00,647
likewise. I was a little worried that the

560
00:22:00,647 --> 00:22:02,081
rest of the movie wouldn't live up to

561
00:22:02,081 --> 00:22:03,457
it, but there's is pretty

562
00:22:03,929 --> 00:22:04,990
strong scares

563
00:22:05,450 --> 00:22:08,109
sprinkled throughout. And the movie also uses

564
00:22:08,650 --> 00:22:09,630
scare cords

565
00:22:10,170 --> 00:22:12,125
in a way that felt classy

566
00:22:12,505 --> 00:22:15,065
to me. Yeah. Not that noise that you

567
00:22:15,065 --> 00:22:17,065
would get in a James wan movie of

568
00:22:17,065 --> 00:22:19,704
yes year, where... Which I've in the past

569
00:22:19,704 --> 00:22:23,228
liken to a piano being dropped 20 stories,

570
00:22:23,707 --> 00:22:25,540
you know, and it just hits the ground

571
00:22:25,540 --> 00:22:27,453
and goes blog. You know, It's just the

572
00:22:27,453 --> 00:22:30,424
loudest thing you've ever. Or it's more of

573
00:22:30,424 --> 00:22:31,804
a a nerve j

574
00:22:32,664 --> 00:22:35,944
spider on a violin strings kind of noise.

575
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:37,333
Like, literally

576
00:22:37,705 --> 00:22:39,315
It just has that sort of

577
00:22:39,767 --> 00:22:40,267
seventies.

578
00:22:40,877 --> 00:22:43,732
III... It it's it's aggressive in a modern

579
00:22:43,732 --> 00:22:45,980
horror. Away way, and it was getting reactions

580
00:22:45,980 --> 00:22:47,496
from the crowd that I saw it with,

581
00:22:47,895 --> 00:22:49,970
but it... I don't know. Felt a little

582
00:22:49,970 --> 00:22:51,487
classy to me a little more old school

583
00:22:51,487 --> 00:22:52,858
in a in a way that's kind of

584
00:22:52,858 --> 00:22:54,954
just down to what it's doing sonic.

585
00:22:55,491 --> 00:22:58,225
I think I always like when jump scares

586
00:22:58,683 --> 00:23:00,872
sound like a musical

587
00:23:02,285 --> 00:23:05,573
manifestation of, like, that heart the throat feeling

588
00:23:05,631 --> 00:23:07,225
when it's not just a loud noise. I

589
00:23:07,225 --> 00:23:09,296
mean, a loud noise can provoke that reaction,

590
00:23:09,455 --> 00:23:10,846
but it should also sound

591
00:23:11,220 --> 00:23:13,605
the way that feels if that makes any

592
00:23:13,605 --> 00:23:16,308
sense at all. My favorite example being the

593
00:23:16,308 --> 00:23:19,902
weird s streak that you get when Ben

594
00:23:20,061 --> 00:23:22,209
Ga head floats out of the whole of

595
00:23:22,209 --> 00:23:24,516
the boat and jaws. It's like nothing I've

596
00:23:24,516 --> 00:23:26,919
heard before or since. It's just kind it's

597
00:23:26,919 --> 00:23:29,872
this weird yelp that the soundtrack does. Yeah.

598
00:23:32,028 --> 00:23:34,125
Oh, I'm not even gonna try to approximate.

599
00:23:34,583 --> 00:23:36,674
No. But long legs, it's this sort of,

600
00:23:36,835 --> 00:23:37,075
like,

601
00:23:37,714 --> 00:23:38,214
screeching

602
00:23:39,154 --> 00:23:39,654
t

603
00:23:40,034 --> 00:23:43,315
sort of Yeah thing. And, yeah, It's... What

604
00:23:43,315 --> 00:23:46,704
makes them good is that the jump scare

605
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:47,420
cords

606
00:23:47,795 --> 00:23:48,852
are not

607
00:23:49,228 --> 00:23:51,615
startling just by virtue of volume.

608
00:23:52,013 --> 00:23:52,172
Right.

609
00:23:52,823 --> 00:23:55,528
J deposed with whatever's going on on the

610
00:23:55,528 --> 00:23:58,312
screen. It's like, yes. They're loud, but it's

611
00:23:58,312 --> 00:23:59,369
an un unsettling

612
00:23:59,839 --> 00:24:00,339
fucking

613
00:24:00,716 --> 00:24:01,216
musical

614
00:24:01,753 --> 00:24:02,253
sequence.

615
00:24:03,108 --> 00:24:06,718
Yeah. Effectively unnerving for sure. So within are

616
00:24:06,936 --> 00:24:08,770
introduced or actually reintroduced,

617
00:24:09,344 --> 00:24:12,939
to Lee as a newly recruited Fbi agent,

618
00:24:13,099 --> 00:24:14,137
and I thought at first,

619
00:24:15,016 --> 00:24:15,815
She's in a briefing.

620
00:24:16,388 --> 00:24:18,456
And I thought they were talking about long

621
00:24:18,456 --> 00:24:20,842
legs. You know. They're hunting for, like, a

622
00:24:20,842 --> 00:24:23,626
middle aged white guy, and we see him

623
00:24:23,626 --> 00:24:26,035
in relatively short order and know right away.

624
00:24:26,195 --> 00:24:27,955
Oh, that's that's not our man. That's not

625
00:24:28,035 --> 00:24:28,515
Nick cage.

626
00:24:29,555 --> 00:24:31,494
But they're going door to door

627
00:24:31,795 --> 00:24:34,049
even in the nineties, the guy giving them

628
00:24:34,049 --> 00:24:36,450
their marching orders, acknowledges that this is old

629
00:24:36,450 --> 00:24:36,849
fashioned,

630
00:24:37,329 --> 00:24:39,089
but they need boots on the ground out

631
00:24:39,089 --> 00:24:41,224
there. You know, have you seen this man

632
00:24:41,424 --> 00:24:44,077
that kinda door to door grunt work, and

633
00:24:44,135 --> 00:24:46,629
she is paired with this very

634
00:24:47,086 --> 00:24:50,856
milk toast other Fbi agent guy, and he's

635
00:24:51,168 --> 00:24:53,156
not long for this world as it turns

636
00:24:53,156 --> 00:24:55,302
out, which I guess is good because he's

637
00:24:55,302 --> 00:24:57,130
appears to have very little going on. He

638
00:24:57,130 --> 00:25:00,095
also kinda brings that eagle scout energy, but

639
00:25:00,095 --> 00:25:02,255
not in a protagonist kind of way. He's

640
00:25:02,255 --> 00:25:04,355
some... He's... It's he's somehow less charismatic

641
00:25:05,134 --> 00:25:07,547
than a Robert Gray smith. Say, but he

642
00:25:07,547 --> 00:25:09,460
just doesn't have... Well, he just... He's he's...

643
00:25:10,177 --> 00:25:12,330
Yeah. Milk toast is exactly the right word

644
00:25:12,330 --> 00:25:14,403
for it. He's just... Yeah. Kind kind of

645
00:25:14,403 --> 00:25:14,903
boring

646
00:25:15,454 --> 00:25:17,769
and he doesn't seem to be taking the

647
00:25:17,769 --> 00:25:19,227
job all that seriously.

648
00:25:19,924 --> 00:25:21,681
Mh. You would think that he was selling

649
00:25:21,681 --> 00:25:24,017
girl scout cookies or canvas saying for a

650
00:25:24,235 --> 00:25:24,315
politician.

651
00:25:25,128 --> 00:25:28,558
Right. Lee picks 1 of the cookie cutter

652
00:25:28,558 --> 00:25:30,314
houses basically out of thin air and says,

653
00:25:30,473 --> 00:25:33,122
like, he's in there It's that 1. I

654
00:25:33,122 --> 00:25:35,436
know it is. Call it in. And he's

655
00:25:35,436 --> 00:25:37,272
like, what we're not gonna call in a

656
00:25:37,272 --> 00:25:39,187
hunch on our first day. Tell you what.

657
00:25:39,427 --> 00:25:41,279
I'll go over there. I'll check it out,

658
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,359
and it's gonna be fine. And so he

659
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,779
goes over and rings the bell. And

660
00:25:46,159 --> 00:25:46,659
after

661
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:47,839
some delay, we hear...

662
00:25:49,614 --> 00:25:52,085
Somebody coming down the stairs. We don't see

663
00:25:52,085 --> 00:25:54,078
who opens the door. We don't even really

664
00:25:54,078 --> 00:25:55,832
see the door opening because it's just around

665
00:25:55,832 --> 00:25:58,239
a corner, but these guy just like, Yes.

666
00:25:58,479 --> 00:26:00,397
We're canvas singer arrived. Have you seen this

667
00:26:00,397 --> 00:26:00,716
bam?

668
00:26:02,075 --> 00:26:04,632
Immediately gets his brains blown out. Right. Right

669
00:26:04,632 --> 00:26:05,771
out. And then.

670
00:26:07,045 --> 00:26:09,365
The guy was banging on the stairs. So

671
00:26:09,365 --> 00:26:11,445
you knew that this guy, it he didn't

672
00:26:11,445 --> 00:26:12,984
have, like, buddy cop

673
00:26:13,285 --> 00:26:15,377
potential that you thought, well, maybe we'll be

674
00:26:15,377 --> 00:26:17,532
stuck with him for 10 to 20 minutes

675
00:26:17,532 --> 00:26:19,687
or something until she gets a promotion. No.

676
00:26:19,846 --> 00:26:20,006
No.

677
00:26:21,443 --> 00:26:22,342
He's is

678
00:26:22,974 --> 00:26:24,833
6 feet under is decisively

679
00:26:25,692 --> 00:26:27,450
dispatched. So then we get our first sort

680
00:26:27,450 --> 00:26:29,148
of suspense sequence

681
00:26:29,528 --> 00:26:31,685
in the silence of the lambs mold where

682
00:26:31,685 --> 00:26:35,194
she's going through house, which has tarp, you

683
00:26:35,194 --> 00:26:36,224
know, see through

684
00:26:36,700 --> 00:26:39,473
torque plastic heating. Plastic sheet over all the

685
00:26:39,473 --> 00:26:39,924
walls

686
00:26:40,283 --> 00:26:42,354
behind any of which the killer could be

687
00:26:42,354 --> 00:26:45,302
lurking. And eventually she tracks into a bedroom

688
00:26:45,302 --> 00:26:46,736
and he doesn't resist to rest.

689
00:26:47,307 --> 00:26:50,085
Next thing we know she is taking some

690
00:26:50,085 --> 00:26:53,840
kind of test to gauge her psychic abilities

691
00:26:53,975 --> 00:26:55,507
because she had this seemingly

692
00:26:56,134 --> 00:26:59,090
super normal hunch that led to this guy's

693
00:26:59,090 --> 00:27:00,150
arrest, and

694
00:27:00,768 --> 00:27:03,460
she is doing, like, Ro shack kind of

695
00:27:03,579 --> 00:27:05,500
stuff. What does this remind you of this

696
00:27:05,500 --> 00:27:08,299
picture, this picture, this picture flashing almost with,

697
00:27:08,380 --> 00:27:10,079
like, a para wax view

698
00:27:10,539 --> 00:27:11,039
quick

699
00:27:11,419 --> 00:27:14,629
across the screen. Very fast a number between

700
00:27:14,629 --> 00:27:16,859
1 and 100 has just been generated. What's

701
00:27:16,859 --> 00:27:19,829
the number and she later tells another

702
00:27:20,205 --> 00:27:22,516
Fed, her commanding officer. I think his name

703
00:27:22,516 --> 00:27:23,570
is Carter,

704
00:27:24,049 --> 00:27:26,529
Carter. That She she got, a bunch of

705
00:27:26,529 --> 00:27:27,730
them right, but she also got a bunch

706
00:27:27,730 --> 00:27:29,570
of them wrong, you know, And and so

707
00:27:29,570 --> 00:27:30,744
he he dub her

708
00:27:31,260 --> 00:27:33,955
half psychic. Right. I think it's exactly half

709
00:27:33,955 --> 00:27:35,700
because it's like, that how did you beat

710
00:27:35,700 --> 00:27:38,236
the number generator 8 times and she says,

711
00:27:38,969 --> 00:27:41,046
Well, I also got it wrong 8 times.

712
00:27:41,445 --> 00:27:43,922
Right. So she's at best medium psychic, but

713
00:27:43,922 --> 00:27:45,920
as he points out, that's better than nothing.

714
00:27:46,414 --> 00:27:46,914
And

715
00:27:47,294 --> 00:27:47,794
her

716
00:27:48,414 --> 00:27:49,954
pseudo psychic abilities

717
00:27:50,414 --> 00:27:52,575
do not come into play as often as

718
00:27:52,575 --> 00:27:54,755
you would think they would given how early

719
00:27:54,989 --> 00:27:56,982
and how sort of how to put this.

720
00:27:57,142 --> 00:27:58,896
It it... It's presented in a very matter

721
00:27:58,896 --> 00:28:01,368
of fact way. And it's presented very early

722
00:28:01,368 --> 00:28:02,883
on. And so what that does is it

723
00:28:02,883 --> 00:28:03,920
creates precedent.

724
00:28:04,494 --> 00:28:06,434
In your mind. You think, okay. So supernatural

725
00:28:06,654 --> 00:28:07,154
things

726
00:28:07,455 --> 00:28:10,735
do happen and are are basically acknowledged to

727
00:28:10,735 --> 00:28:11,215
have happened.

728
00:28:11,787 --> 00:28:14,432
By the Fbi and some kind of formal

729
00:28:14,489 --> 00:28:16,475
capacity even though it seems a little hush.

730
00:28:17,111 --> 00:28:19,653
And that's useful not so much because it

731
00:28:19,653 --> 00:28:20,153
gives

732
00:28:20,621 --> 00:28:23,794
Lee super superpower because they don't come up

733
00:28:23,794 --> 00:28:25,142
at several key juncture.

734
00:28:25,777 --> 00:28:27,784
There there are several points in the movie

735
00:28:27,839 --> 00:28:31,276
where having those abilities would have avail her,

736
00:28:31,435 --> 00:28:34,324
you would think, and she does not seem

737
00:28:34,381 --> 00:28:34,881
supernatural

738
00:28:35,257 --> 00:28:37,423
in endowed in those moments. Like I keep

739
00:28:37,423 --> 00:28:39,020
saying, it it does not come up as

740
00:28:39,020 --> 00:28:41,096
often as you would expect given how early

741
00:28:41,096 --> 00:28:44,529
it's introduced, but it does do the movie

742
00:28:44,768 --> 00:28:46,660
an incredible boom in the sense that it

743
00:28:46,779 --> 00:28:49,086
creates that precedent because there are some big

744
00:28:49,086 --> 00:28:49,586
swings

745
00:28:49,961 --> 00:28:51,790
near the end of the movie that I

746
00:28:51,790 --> 00:28:54,507
think would have been disaster us if they'd

747
00:28:54,507 --> 00:28:57,124
come completely out of left field, and there

748
00:28:57,124 --> 00:29:01,010
was no sense prior that supernatural things were

749
00:29:01,010 --> 00:29:03,339
possible. So in that sense, it is good

750
00:29:03,339 --> 00:29:04,859
to get it out of the way early

751
00:29:04,859 --> 00:29:07,259
on. It happened so early that we kind

752
00:29:07,259 --> 00:29:10,149
of half forget about it. But nevertheless, that

753
00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:11,185
groundwork has been laid.

754
00:29:12,062 --> 00:29:14,235
So I guess, due to her

755
00:29:14,692 --> 00:29:15,670
alleged clair,

756
00:29:16,126 --> 00:29:18,611
she is put on the long legs case.

757
00:29:19,169 --> 00:29:21,638
And as soon as she is, it starts

758
00:29:21,638 --> 00:29:23,891
heating up, but this is something that Carter

759
00:29:24,108 --> 00:29:27,173
observe how interesting that you know, this is

760
00:29:27,310 --> 00:29:28,984
basic... It it, it's not a cold case.

761
00:29:29,143 --> 00:29:31,853
It's still active. It's still open, but this

762
00:29:31,853 --> 00:29:34,498
guy has been running circles around us. For

763
00:29:34,498 --> 00:29:37,132
30 years with a cipher that no 1

764
00:29:37,132 --> 00:29:39,047
can crack, and then as soon as we

765
00:29:39,047 --> 00:29:41,281
put you on his trail. And there's, like

766
00:29:41,281 --> 00:29:41,781
11

767
00:29:42,174 --> 00:29:45,605
crime scenes over that time, and he's never

768
00:29:45,605 --> 00:29:48,658
left a shred of physical evidence. The only

769
00:29:48,956 --> 00:29:50,959
indication that they've ever gotten that he was

770
00:29:50,959 --> 00:29:53,342
even there is the letters he's left behind.

771
00:29:54,295 --> 00:29:57,154
Right. All signs long legs written in a

772
00:29:57,234 --> 00:29:57,734
Zodiac

773
00:29:58,108 --> 00:29:58,902
style cipher.

774
00:29:59,474 --> 00:30:02,351
And the handwriting isn't a match for anyone

775
00:30:02,351 --> 00:30:04,748
who was actually involved, actually getting up to

776
00:30:04,748 --> 00:30:07,065
their elbows and gore at the scene of

777
00:30:07,065 --> 00:30:09,320
the crime, which is basically how they all

778
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:10,700
play out. It's all family

779
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,339
annihilation, type stuff, father's

780
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,440
snapping and killing their wives and children, and

781
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,767
there's always a girl child in the family,

782
00:30:19,164 --> 00:30:21,469
whose birthday falls in the middle of the

783
00:30:21,469 --> 00:30:23,615
month on the fourteenth and the killings always

784
00:30:23,615 --> 00:30:26,258
happen within a week on either side of

785
00:30:26,258 --> 00:30:28,575
that birthday. Well, no not a week. 6

786
00:30:28,575 --> 00:30:31,131
days. Let's 6 6 is a big number.

787
00:30:31,930 --> 00:30:34,650
As we to find out. This is it's...

788
00:30:35,445 --> 00:30:37,272
This is the kind of movie that makes...

789
00:30:37,431 --> 00:30:39,895
That that gets you into that Zodiac mode

790
00:30:39,895 --> 00:30:42,299
where you start taking the new neurology very

791
00:30:42,299 --> 00:30:42,799
seriously.

792
00:30:43,500 --> 00:30:44,000
So

793
00:30:44,460 --> 00:30:45,919
that's a an appreciated

794
00:30:46,220 --> 00:30:48,539
correction. So the movie throws a lot of

795
00:30:48,539 --> 00:30:51,672
little stuff like that at you. And you

796
00:30:51,672 --> 00:30:54,785
are off k because you know that something

797
00:30:54,785 --> 00:30:56,861
supernatural might be a foot, but it is

798
00:30:56,861 --> 00:31:00,710
mostly just pretty grounded police work. That's going

799
00:31:00,710 --> 00:31:02,250
on here, not psychic

800
00:31:02,630 --> 00:31:04,470
intuition. However, long legs does appear to take

801
00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:06,309
an interest in lee specifically.

802
00:31:06,869 --> 00:31:09,758
She is seemingly visited by him at her

803
00:31:09,758 --> 00:31:09,997
home.

804
00:31:10,635 --> 00:31:12,789
She's on the phone with her mother, and

805
00:31:12,789 --> 00:31:15,123
that's a tense sort of chilly

806
00:31:15,500 --> 00:31:18,465
relationship. And then she's in interrupted by a

807
00:31:18,465 --> 00:31:20,615
figure in the yard. She pursues it outside,

808
00:31:21,092 --> 00:31:22,924
and then the guy gets into the house

809
00:31:22,924 --> 00:31:25,924
and leaves a letter behind the moment that

810
00:31:26,044 --> 00:31:28,831
shield me here is when she runs her

811
00:31:28,831 --> 00:31:32,096
thumb over the signature long legs at the

812
00:31:32,096 --> 00:31:34,405
bottom of the cipher and it's still wet.

813
00:31:35,856 --> 00:31:38,488
Hopping bag real quick to when you mentioned

814
00:31:38,488 --> 00:31:40,982
that Carter points out how the case

815
00:31:41,439 --> 00:31:43,832
started heating up just when she got involved,

816
00:31:44,071 --> 00:31:46,960
I was don't wanna say afraid because this

817
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,195
probably could've have been done in a way

818
00:31:49,195 --> 00:31:52,388
that wasn't irritating, but nevertheless, I was still

819
00:31:52,388 --> 00:31:53,447
somewhat afraid

820
00:31:53,825 --> 00:31:56,312
that that would turn into the whole. Her

821
00:31:56,312 --> 00:31:58,646
colleagues thinks she might be in on it

822
00:31:58,943 --> 00:31:59,262
thing.

823
00:32:00,059 --> 00:32:01,734
Yeah. I was afraid of that, and I

824
00:32:01,734 --> 00:32:04,058
was more so afraid that she actually was

825
00:32:04,058 --> 00:32:05,966
going to be revealed to be some kind

826
00:32:05,966 --> 00:32:08,056
of a sleeper agent pro.

827
00:32:08,431 --> 00:32:10,657
Mh. Particularly, once they make it to the

828
00:32:10,657 --> 00:32:11,452
mental hospital,

829
00:32:12,009 --> 00:32:12,509
and

830
00:32:12,899 --> 00:32:15,611
long legs or so we think is revealed

831
00:32:15,611 --> 00:32:18,243
to have visited the day prior, but left

832
00:32:18,482 --> 00:32:21,673
Lee Har name in the, like, registry book.

833
00:32:22,151 --> 00:32:24,160
Yeah. So I thought, like, well, there's an

834
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,153
outside chance that she actually did visit and

835
00:32:26,153 --> 00:32:27,747
has no memory of it, and I didn't

836
00:32:27,747 --> 00:32:29,980
want that to be the reveal and thankfully

837
00:32:29,980 --> 00:32:30,856
that's not the reveal.

838
00:32:31,588 --> 00:32:33,730
Yeah. Neither 1 of those things proves true,

839
00:32:34,286 --> 00:32:37,086
which is good. She's not involved and also

840
00:32:37,379 --> 00:32:39,861
other than that basic off hand or remark

841
00:32:39,861 --> 00:32:42,094
her boss makes? Nobody spends the rest of

842
00:32:42,094 --> 00:32:44,566
the movie really looking at her sideways. Wondering

843
00:32:44,566 --> 00:32:46,241
like, well, how does she know all of

844
00:32:46,241 --> 00:32:47,676
these things. How could you Right?

845
00:32:48,409 --> 00:32:52,081
Yeah. There's no, like, skeptic asshole suits. Like,

846
00:32:52,241 --> 00:32:54,816
well, there's no, like, ghost buster bad guy

847
00:32:55,034 --> 00:32:56,711
to be, like, you know, I've had enough

848
00:32:56,711 --> 00:32:59,205
of this sp house nonsense, you know, to

849
00:32:59,205 --> 00:32:59,705
get

850
00:33:00,965 --> 00:33:03,684
William At does not piss in anyone's corn

851
00:33:03,684 --> 00:33:05,365
flakes? Yeah. No 1 shows up to, like,

852
00:33:05,619 --> 00:33:08,650
slash their funding because they've promoted this witch,

853
00:33:09,128 --> 00:33:09,527
you know?

854
00:33:10,484 --> 00:33:12,479
It's it's all very matter of fact, which

855
00:33:12,479 --> 00:33:14,074
is sort of what gives it that twin

856
00:33:14,074 --> 00:33:15,270
peaks x files flavor.

857
00:33:15,844 --> 00:33:18,978
Yeah. Carter also goes a long way towards

858
00:33:19,196 --> 00:33:21,511
getting you back in that mode. He reminded

859
00:33:21,511 --> 00:33:24,066
me a little bit of early army in

860
00:33:24,066 --> 00:33:26,389
7. He's is, you know, sort of he

861
00:33:26,389 --> 00:33:28,457
he's kind of just... He's all... He's sort

862
00:33:28,457 --> 00:33:30,548
of a hard ass, but sort of

863
00:33:30,923 --> 00:33:33,642
laid back at the same time, and he's

864
00:33:33,642 --> 00:33:36,267
a comic relief character, but he's also all

865
00:33:36,267 --> 00:33:38,811
business, and that's just not something you see

866
00:33:38,811 --> 00:33:41,531
that much of anymore. Ar Army and 7

867
00:33:41,531 --> 00:33:43,678
is a very apt comparison I think. Yeah.

868
00:33:43,837 --> 00:33:45,826
This ain't even my desk. This ain't even

869
00:33:45,826 --> 00:33:46,383
my desk.

870
00:33:47,272 --> 00:33:48,621
And it's just some of the... And I

871
00:33:48,621 --> 00:33:51,002
know you'll appreciate this shout out. It's... It

872
00:33:51,002 --> 00:33:52,216
some of their scenes

873
00:33:52,588 --> 00:33:54,199
took me back to fallen

874
00:33:54,508 --> 00:33:56,411
a little bit, hell where it's like, these

875
00:33:56,411 --> 00:33:58,632
2 kinda straight laced cops or feds in

876
00:33:58,632 --> 00:34:01,248
this case, just, like, talking their way up

877
00:34:01,248 --> 00:34:03,173
to, like, well, yeah? Are we dealing with

878
00:34:03,173 --> 00:34:04,931
a demon? You know? Like, is that what's

879
00:34:04,931 --> 00:34:07,968
going? Like like just kind of. Like, staring

880
00:34:07,968 --> 00:34:10,365
right at it and being like, man, really?

881
00:34:10,777 --> 00:34:13,818
As it's probably not, but as soon is

882
00:34:14,032 --> 00:34:14,668
son bitch.

883
00:34:16,652 --> 00:34:19,135
And, like, that's 90 as head. That really

884
00:34:19,135 --> 00:34:20,734
takes me back. Hell.

885
00:34:21,614 --> 00:34:24,014
So Lee is able to crack the code,

886
00:34:24,255 --> 00:34:26,630
not because she's psychic, but because long legs

887
00:34:26,907 --> 00:34:29,529
gave her an entry point in the letter

888
00:34:29,529 --> 00:34:31,697
that he left for her. He translates

889
00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:35,429
some of the symbols. And the phrases that

890
00:34:35,429 --> 00:34:38,537
he translates are taken from the Bible, the

891
00:34:38,537 --> 00:34:40,849
book of revelation. At 1 point a character

892
00:34:40,849 --> 00:34:43,658
says revelations and in my head, I was,

893
00:34:43,737 --> 00:34:46,614
like, already correcting it and planning to be

894
00:34:46,614 --> 00:34:49,011
a snoop about it during the recording, and

895
00:34:49,011 --> 00:34:49,411
then Lee,

896
00:34:50,224 --> 00:34:52,134
jumped all over it. Beat me to the

897
00:34:52,134 --> 00:34:54,123
punch. Yeah. Revelation singular.

898
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,147
And she recognizes it at once and is

899
00:34:57,147 --> 00:34:59,465
a little bit snip when when people get

900
00:34:59,465 --> 00:35:01,926
the name wrong later in the movie because

901
00:35:01,926 --> 00:35:03,911
she was raised with religion.

902
00:35:04,705 --> 00:35:05,205
She

903
00:35:07,594 --> 00:35:08,795
You know, that all that yeah.

904
00:35:09,675 --> 00:35:12,235
Yeah. Alright. That that all time religion, and

905
00:35:12,235 --> 00:35:14,985
this comes into play later on. It's partly

906
00:35:15,284 --> 00:35:17,220
responsible. We sense for producing

907
00:35:17,598 --> 00:35:20,153
her general demeanor, and and and to her,

908
00:35:20,313 --> 00:35:23,114
you, her general weirdness church Girl, maybe kind

909
00:35:23,114 --> 00:35:26,611
of a sheltered shut in. Yeah. Mother behaves

910
00:35:26,611 --> 00:35:29,050
erratic. First on the phone during a couple

911
00:35:29,169 --> 00:35:30,757
phone calls that they share, 1 of which

912
00:35:30,837 --> 00:35:32,505
I already mentioned and then later on when

913
00:35:32,505 --> 00:35:34,333
we get some 1 on 1 time with

914
00:35:34,333 --> 00:35:35,921
her facetime. Yeah.

915
00:35:36,730 --> 00:35:38,394
Facetime in the sense that they're inhabit the

916
00:35:38,394 --> 00:35:39,821
same room because again, this is set in

917
00:35:39,821 --> 00:35:41,961
the nineties. It's not Yeah. Yeah not. The

918
00:35:42,357 --> 00:35:43,387
Facetime app. Yeah.

919
00:35:45,316 --> 00:35:47,651
This was the 1 other reason I was

920
00:35:47,790 --> 00:35:51,621
afraid of the red herring of everybody looking

921
00:35:51,621 --> 00:35:54,681
a scant at Lee because when she translates

922
00:35:55,373 --> 00:35:57,677
the message that long legs has left her

923
00:35:57,677 --> 00:35:59,480
in her home. It says base

924
00:36:00,078 --> 00:36:02,231
tell anybody you got this, and I kill

925
00:36:02,231 --> 00:36:05,262
your mom. It's much Yeah. More unsettling and

926
00:36:05,262 --> 00:36:08,873
flower language. I don't remember any of the

927
00:36:09,090 --> 00:36:12,392
specific except that he refers to her mother's

928
00:36:12,927 --> 00:36:13,802
milk tits?

929
00:36:14,439 --> 00:36:16,747
Yes. That's the verbiage. That's also the only

930
00:36:16,747 --> 00:36:18,192
part that's stuck with me,

931
00:36:19,223 --> 00:36:22,001
which is bad enough. So you kind of

932
00:36:22,001 --> 00:36:22,977
expect that somehow

933
00:36:23,508 --> 00:36:25,864
it's gonna come out that she's had this

934
00:36:26,063 --> 00:36:27,972
all this time and why didn't you tell

935
00:36:27,972 --> 00:36:29,802
us and this is suspicious. And in fact,

936
00:36:30,041 --> 00:36:32,188
it never comes up, which you might think,

937
00:36:32,347 --> 00:36:33,714
like, well this this is kind of a

938
00:36:33,714 --> 00:36:35,621
weird plot, but actually no. It's good.

939
00:36:36,416 --> 00:36:38,402
Yeah. No. It it is good. And it

940
00:36:38,402 --> 00:36:40,786
it's great too because she's translating the cipher

941
00:36:40,786 --> 00:36:43,109
in real time. So I might be mis

942
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:45,020
remembering this, but there's a good chance that

943
00:36:45,020 --> 00:36:47,568
you you see the word milk before you

944
00:36:47,568 --> 00:36:49,639
see the word tits. Maybe they're a package

945
00:36:49,639 --> 00:36:50,570
deal. I don't remember

946
00:36:51,009 --> 00:36:52,607
exactly. I know we see her right the

947
00:36:52,607 --> 00:36:55,243
last line out in its entirety, which I

948
00:36:55,243 --> 00:36:57,001
don't remember. It ends with the word dead,

949
00:36:57,240 --> 00:37:00,614
which supplies rhyme. Yeah. But the phrase milk

950
00:37:00,614 --> 00:37:04,554
tits. There's spoken dialogue and occasionally occasionally written

951
00:37:04,614 --> 00:37:06,855
phrases in this movie that Are I just

952
00:37:06,855 --> 00:37:07,355
found

953
00:37:07,667 --> 00:37:08,167
really

954
00:37:08,539 --> 00:37:08,936
disconcerting.

955
00:37:09,492 --> 00:37:11,633
Kieran and Ship has a couple of them

956
00:37:11,633 --> 00:37:13,775
when She shows up later. That's a hell

957
00:37:13,775 --> 00:37:15,282
of a fucking scene.

958
00:37:15,853 --> 00:37:17,209
Yeah. It's a it's a it's a doo.

959
00:37:17,448 --> 00:37:19,521
But just like milk tits is just stuck

960
00:37:19,521 --> 00:37:21,753
in my crawl because you would expect it

961
00:37:21,753 --> 00:37:24,167
to be like milk bags

962
00:37:24,559 --> 00:37:26,711
or something like that. Like, the they're... It

963
00:37:26,711 --> 00:37:30,139
milk tits just creates this feeling of like

964
00:37:30,219 --> 00:37:32,132
It's something that an alien in a wrote.

965
00:37:33,105 --> 00:37:34,864
Well, right. But it's not even... Like, it's

966
00:37:34,864 --> 00:37:36,005
it's not even as

967
00:37:36,385 --> 00:37:36,885
d

968
00:37:37,425 --> 00:37:39,344
as it could be. I mean, once you,

969
00:37:39,505 --> 00:37:41,445
the idea that they're just milk

970
00:37:42,077 --> 00:37:44,224
of some. You're just not expecting the word

971
00:37:44,224 --> 00:37:46,713
tits. You're expecting it to be even more

972
00:37:46,928 --> 00:37:49,870
divorced somehow from what it's describing, but no.

973
00:37:50,029 --> 00:37:52,588
It's the inclusion of the word tits in

974
00:37:52,588 --> 00:37:56,642
this weird non standard j to position construction.

975
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,320
It's less d in a sense, but it's

976
00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:02,160
still weird enough and wrong enough, and it

977
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,579
you you tie that in with it being

978
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:05,119
cra,

979
00:38:05,519 --> 00:38:08,164
and it's just this which is brew of

980
00:38:08,164 --> 00:38:08,324
it.

981
00:38:09,198 --> 00:38:11,266
Well, it just... It just... The point I'm

982
00:38:11,266 --> 00:38:12,459
trying to build to is that it just

983
00:38:12,459 --> 00:38:14,820
sounds like something an actual serial killer would

984
00:38:15,178 --> 00:38:17,112
Yes. It's it's it's just... It's got this

985
00:38:17,648 --> 00:38:20,038
convolution to it that could have only sprung

986
00:38:20,038 --> 00:38:22,429
from a disease mind. Mh. Because any of

987
00:38:22,429 --> 00:38:24,715
the alternatives that occurred to me, whether it's

988
00:38:25,072 --> 00:38:27,373
milk bags or or or maybe, you know,

989
00:38:27,452 --> 00:38:29,675
you can replace the word milk to blank

990
00:38:29,675 --> 00:38:32,690
tits. Any of that would just sound kind

991
00:38:32,690 --> 00:38:35,725
of like maybe Edge lord or maybe just

992
00:38:35,725 --> 00:38:37,793
a little more... I don't know. It it's

993
00:38:37,793 --> 00:38:40,019
it's it's a disease thing. Yes.

994
00:38:40,735 --> 00:38:41,053
Yes.

995
00:38:41,610 --> 00:38:42,802
That's all I have to say.

996
00:38:44,250 --> 00:38:47,036
How do they find their way to the

997
00:38:47,195 --> 00:38:49,662
David Finch venture Barn where they find the

998
00:38:49,662 --> 00:38:51,572
doll? Because there... That that there's 2 leads

999
00:38:51,572 --> 00:38:53,418
that they get? I think it's after she

1000
00:38:53,418 --> 00:38:56,045
cracks the cypher, and they debate which 1...

1001
00:38:56,284 --> 00:38:58,434
They don't really debate. They boot go to

1002
00:38:58,434 --> 00:38:59,946
whichever 1 is closest, which is the bar.

1003
00:39:00,106 --> 00:39:01,793
But there's an old crime scene. That they

1004
00:39:01,793 --> 00:39:03,627
wanna check out, and then there's a a

1005
00:39:03,627 --> 00:39:06,418
witness, a survivor of 1 of the long

1006
00:39:06,418 --> 00:39:07,237
legs massacres

1007
00:39:07,774 --> 00:39:09,768
in a mental hospital, and they go check

1008
00:39:09,768 --> 00:39:10,565
on her second.

1009
00:39:11,058 --> 00:39:11,558
So

1010
00:39:11,931 --> 00:39:15,186
Lee cracks all of his letters translates all

1011
00:39:15,186 --> 00:39:17,330
the letters gets a full cipher cracked in

1012
00:39:17,330 --> 00:39:18,044
record time.

1013
00:39:18,853 --> 00:39:21,788
In part because she's been given some clues

1014
00:39:21,788 --> 00:39:24,009
and then just the rest because she's a

1015
00:39:24,009 --> 00:39:26,809
little bit weird and half psychic. And

1016
00:39:27,279 --> 00:39:31,513
She says that repeated reference scattered across most

1017
00:39:31,513 --> 00:39:33,670
or all of the letters, but certainly not

1018
00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:37,179
limited just 1. Reference is constantly being made

1019
00:39:37,179 --> 00:39:40,058
to the fun we had at the camera

1020
00:39:40,431 --> 00:39:42,309
camera name. Yeah. A it's a weird. It's

1021
00:39:42,429 --> 00:39:43,705
a weird name, and I couldn't remember what

1022
00:39:43,705 --> 00:39:45,939
it was. The camera farm. It's not a

1023
00:39:45,939 --> 00:39:48,252
farm for cameras. It's Right. The the name

1024
00:39:48,252 --> 00:39:51,043
of the family camera or whatever. Locust lucas

1025
00:39:51,043 --> 00:39:53,209
wiped out my whole camera. Crop, you know,

1026
00:39:53,369 --> 00:39:54,266
and I'm a des.

1027
00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:58,857
Where x marks the spot. Where marks in

1028
00:39:58,857 --> 00:40:00,788
the spot. And then they they go. There

1029
00:40:00,788 --> 00:40:03,105
is in fact a unused barn. There's a

1030
00:40:03,105 --> 00:40:05,662
door that has... It looks like black tape,

1031
00:40:05,902 --> 00:40:08,714
maybe x's made in black tape. So sealing

1032
00:40:08,714 --> 00:40:10,951
the door shut, and then as they proceed

1033
00:40:10,951 --> 00:40:13,109
through the interior of the barn, which is

1034
00:40:13,109 --> 00:40:15,666
very... It reminded me of the first crime

1035
00:40:15,666 --> 00:40:18,073
scene in 7, where the the power is

1036
00:40:18,073 --> 00:40:20,222
out, and the characters acknowledge that it looks

1037
00:40:20,222 --> 00:40:22,291
very gloomy and they're very... I think 1

1038
00:40:22,291 --> 00:40:24,599
of the Csi guys shows up and it's

1039
00:40:24,599 --> 00:40:26,842
was like, oh, wonderful, very moody. You know,

1040
00:40:27,001 --> 00:40:28,430
they kind of lamps shade the fact that

1041
00:40:28,430 --> 00:40:30,572
it looks like a horror film in this

1042
00:40:30,572 --> 00:40:33,350
guy's apartment, the Glut victim. Yeah. It's very

1043
00:40:33,350 --> 00:40:35,114
much like that. And as as they're making

1044
00:40:35,114 --> 00:40:36,943
their way through the inside of the barn,

1045
00:40:37,421 --> 00:40:40,046
they come upon more x's, which, again, look

1046
00:40:40,046 --> 00:40:41,732
like they're made in black tape on the

1047
00:40:41,732 --> 00:40:43,565
walls, but increasingly they don't look like x's.

1048
00:40:43,883 --> 00:40:45,795
They look like crosses, and they're never the

1049
00:40:45,795 --> 00:40:46,353
right way up.

1050
00:40:47,548 --> 00:40:48,982
No, which is not to say that they're

1051
00:40:48,982 --> 00:40:51,547
pointing straight down either. They're just a skew.

1052
00:40:51,946 --> 00:40:53,700
Yeah. They're 45

1053
00:40:53,700 --> 00:40:55,454
degrees below the Meridian.

1054
00:40:56,172 --> 00:40:56,252
Yeah.

1055
00:40:57,289 --> 00:40:59,442
Tilt it down. But, yeah, there's there's 1

1056
00:40:59,442 --> 00:41:02,012
that marks a staircase. It's like, hey, go

1057
00:41:02,012 --> 00:41:04,728
up the stairs, basically. Mh. And so they

1058
00:41:04,728 --> 00:41:06,746
do. They go up the stairs. They find

1059
00:41:06,965 --> 00:41:07,820
a cross

1060
00:41:08,259 --> 00:41:10,733
an actual cross this time. Crucial Yeah Like

1061
00:41:11,849 --> 00:41:12,669
with a crucial

1062
00:41:13,286 --> 00:41:15,121
with a Christ on it and everything. Yeah.

1063
00:41:15,361 --> 00:41:15,861
And

1064
00:41:16,175 --> 00:41:19,855
they pry up the floor boards, immediately underneath

1065
00:41:19,855 --> 00:41:22,735
this cross, and they find a little scrap

1066
00:41:22,735 --> 00:41:23,474
of paper

1067
00:41:23,775 --> 00:41:25,788
with an inverted... Well, it's start to be

1068
00:41:25,788 --> 00:41:27,943
an inverted triangle. It's a triangle, whatever way

1069
00:41:27,943 --> 00:41:29,780
it's oriented. But, you know, But does it

1070
00:41:29,780 --> 00:41:31,376
does it does have a smiley face in

1071
00:41:31,376 --> 00:41:33,452
it, which has the utility of telling you

1072
00:41:33,452 --> 00:41:35,777
which way up is is up. You know?

1073
00:41:35,936 --> 00:41:38,322
So that's how we know the top point

1074
00:41:38,322 --> 00:41:41,186
of the triangle is angled down. Yes. Because

1075
00:41:41,186 --> 00:41:43,036
otherwise the the smiley face would be upside

1076
00:41:43,036 --> 00:41:44,632
down. I thought that was a nice touch.

1077
00:41:45,110 --> 00:41:47,983
Inverted triangles came up when she was cracking

1078
00:41:47,983 --> 00:41:49,554
the cipher. She maps out

1079
00:41:50,072 --> 00:41:51,982
the birth dates of all the victims and

1080
00:41:51,982 --> 00:41:53,892
the dates of their deaths and is able

1081
00:41:53,892 --> 00:41:57,018
to produce this room this like satanic ruin

1082
00:41:57,075 --> 00:41:59,978
something or other that well she she finds

1083
00:42:00,196 --> 00:42:02,907
the same thing somewhere in research materials and

1084
00:42:02,907 --> 00:42:06,017
cross glasses it with that. But anyway, underneath

1085
00:42:06,017 --> 00:42:08,351
that little note, there is a box

1086
00:42:08,742 --> 00:42:11,281
with a creepy fucking doll inside.

1087
00:42:11,836 --> 00:42:14,161
Yeah. Like a like a a life like

1088
00:42:14,217 --> 00:42:15,699
8 9 year old girl

1089
00:42:16,139 --> 00:42:17,897
looks like. I mean, is it is visibly

1090
00:42:17,897 --> 00:42:19,894
a doll. There's no fake out where they

1091
00:42:19,894 --> 00:42:22,211
think it's a body. At at first glance,

1092
00:42:22,771 --> 00:42:25,499
it is a doll but it's life like

1093
00:42:25,499 --> 00:42:27,971
enough that you expect it to go all

1094
00:42:27,971 --> 00:42:29,964
talking Tina on you at the drop of

1095
00:42:29,964 --> 00:42:32,038
a hat. Well, and it does it does

1096
00:42:32,038 --> 00:42:35,409
blink once. Yeah. It's eyes snap open, accompanied

1097
00:42:35,409 --> 00:42:37,409
buy a scare cord, and then we cut

1098
00:42:37,409 --> 00:42:39,329
to the next scene. And the other weird

1099
00:42:39,329 --> 00:42:41,170
thing about it is that most of its

1100
00:42:41,170 --> 00:42:41,889
hair is gone.

1101
00:42:42,464 --> 00:42:43,184
Like it's... Right.

1102
00:42:43,904 --> 00:42:45,924
Like it's been subjected to chemotherapy

1103
00:42:46,304 --> 00:42:48,545
or something. Yeah. It's got these wi strands

1104
00:42:48,545 --> 00:42:50,784
of what we soon learn as actual human

1105
00:42:50,784 --> 00:42:53,353
hair. Coming out of its scalp. And here

1106
00:42:53,353 --> 00:42:55,768
we get 1 of those great 1 scene

1107
00:42:55,826 --> 00:42:58,378
performances that you always get or used to

1108
00:42:58,378 --> 00:43:00,532
get in movies like this. It's like, from

1109
00:43:00,532 --> 00:43:01,090
the coroner,

1110
00:43:01,503 --> 00:43:02,139
almost always.

1111
00:43:02,932 --> 00:43:05,077
Corn munch mentioned on the corner munch mentioned

1112
00:43:05,077 --> 00:43:07,698
on the doughnut is the classic 1, or

1113
00:43:07,777 --> 00:43:09,469
I always think of the ent epidemiologists

1114
00:43:09,778 --> 00:43:11,681
and silence of the layers. Just any guy

1115
00:43:11,681 --> 00:43:13,900
who seems like he's a little too into

1116
00:43:13,900 --> 00:43:16,144
his work, the way that the ent epidemiologist

1117
00:43:16,199 --> 00:43:17,096
in that movie

1118
00:43:17,563 --> 00:43:18,462
sort of rh

1119
00:43:18,997 --> 00:43:20,909
about the bug, the moth that they found

1120
00:43:20,909 --> 00:43:22,901
in the 1 girl's throat. It's like, you

1121
00:43:22,901 --> 00:43:24,197
know, the how it's

1122
00:43:24,509 --> 00:43:25,406
It's an exotic

1123
00:43:25,860 --> 00:43:27,688
moth, and it's, you know, somebody had to

1124
00:43:27,688 --> 00:43:30,072
care for it. Somebody loved him. I think

1125
00:43:30,072 --> 00:43:32,631
is the line. Right before we cut back

1126
00:43:32,631 --> 00:43:33,904
the Buffalo Bill's basement,

1127
00:43:34,460 --> 00:43:36,767
and you get that energy from this guy

1128
00:43:36,767 --> 00:43:39,050
talking about how the Doll was made by

1129
00:43:39,248 --> 00:43:41,153
a master doll maker and the hair is

1130
00:43:41,153 --> 00:43:42,288
real human hair

1131
00:43:42,740 --> 00:43:45,066
and check this out. He shows you this

1132
00:43:45,122 --> 00:43:47,186
metal or that he dug out of its

1133
00:43:47,186 --> 00:43:47,662
cra.

1134
00:43:48,154 --> 00:43:49,828
And he's dubbed the brain,

1135
00:43:50,466 --> 00:43:52,938
which you know It seems... He seems he's

1136
00:43:52,938 --> 00:43:55,351
just... He's seems like half a serial killer

1137
00:43:55,409 --> 00:43:57,817
himself. Yeah. Which is what really sells a

1138
00:43:57,817 --> 00:43:59,731
performance like this, especially when they only show

1139
00:43:59,731 --> 00:44:01,646
up for 1 scene, just this a sense

1140
00:44:01,646 --> 00:44:04,853
of kind of latent psychosis lurking in anyone

1141
00:44:04,853 --> 00:44:06,687
who does this kind of thing for too

1142
00:44:06,687 --> 00:44:08,383
long? He also says

1143
00:44:08,761 --> 00:44:10,994
I could've have sworn it was saying my

1144
00:44:10,994 --> 00:44:13,307
ex wife's name over and over, and then

1145
00:44:13,307 --> 00:44:14,046
he quickly

1146
00:44:14,519 --> 00:44:15,639
covers that up by saying,

1147
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,199
but, of course, I've been working a lot

1148
00:44:18,199 --> 00:44:20,760
and have been sleeping well. So clearly, that

1149
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:21,480
didn't happen.

1150
00:44:22,132 --> 00:44:22,632
Yeah

1151
00:44:23,878 --> 00:44:24,378
Carter

1152
00:44:25,227 --> 00:44:26,894
Leigh and Carter are both kinda like...

1153
00:44:27,767 --> 00:44:28,084
Yeah.

1154
00:44:29,849 --> 00:44:30,328
Sure, buddy.

1155
00:44:32,723 --> 00:44:35,358
Get some sleep, please. They they wanna they

1156
00:44:35,358 --> 00:44:37,832
wanna crack into the or, and he assures

1157
00:44:37,832 --> 00:44:40,164
them. There's nothing inside. Eventually, we learn that

1158
00:44:40,164 --> 00:44:42,005
there is nothing inside, but it does have

1159
00:44:42,005 --> 00:44:44,804
seem to have these strange properties. It sends

1160
00:44:44,965 --> 00:44:46,324
Lee into a little bit of a few.

1161
00:44:46,485 --> 00:44:49,453
It it it emits this tone when he

1162
00:44:49,453 --> 00:44:50,568
interacts with it. I don't know what he...

1163
00:44:50,728 --> 00:44:53,119
What implement he was using it whether it

1164
00:44:53,119 --> 00:44:54,952
was a magnet or what. It, it's was

1165
00:44:54,952 --> 00:44:58,385
like a an ultrasound wand. Yeah. Yeah. Right.

1166
00:44:58,623 --> 00:45:00,371
Right You are. So it appears to have

1167
00:45:00,371 --> 00:45:02,992
some kind of odd properties, but we don't

1168
00:45:02,992 --> 00:45:03,628
know quite what.

1169
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,519
And Carter is convinced that once they crack

1170
00:45:06,519 --> 00:45:08,280
that nut, we'll get something out of it,

1171
00:45:08,599 --> 00:45:10,119
and that turns out to not be the

1172
00:45:10,119 --> 00:45:11,820
case. It could still could have had writing

1173
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,375
on the inside shell

1174
00:45:13,894 --> 00:45:16,132
potentially, you know? But but nothing ever really

1175
00:45:16,132 --> 00:45:17,730
comes of that. That was my first thought.

1176
00:45:17,970 --> 00:45:20,128
This is a guy who deals in cipher

1177
00:45:20,128 --> 00:45:22,845
just because there's not any physical material on

1178
00:45:22,845 --> 00:45:25,177
the side doesn't mean that there's nothing at

1179
00:45:25,177 --> 00:45:27,414
all, but it is a dead end. So

1180
00:45:27,414 --> 00:45:29,433
then they go to the mental hospital

1181
00:45:29,812 --> 00:45:32,619
and Lee has a sit down with Karen

1182
00:45:32,619 --> 00:45:34,152
and Ship, who

1183
00:45:34,526 --> 00:45:37,784
survived a long legs murder. Not just any,

1184
00:45:37,943 --> 00:45:39,612
but the 1 at the farm. There's the

1185
00:45:39,612 --> 00:45:41,697
1 of the farm. It's Yeah. Both of

1186
00:45:41,697 --> 00:45:42,197
these

1187
00:45:42,576 --> 00:45:45,231
locations, it's related to the same family

1188
00:45:45,609 --> 00:45:46,109
massacre.

1189
00:45:46,727 --> 00:45:49,601
And she's been cat tonic for many years

1190
00:45:49,601 --> 00:45:51,932
and just came to a couple days ago,

1191
00:45:52,092 --> 00:45:54,490
the same day that they dr the doll

1192
00:45:54,490 --> 00:45:56,488
out of the floor boards. Mh. And we

1193
00:45:56,488 --> 00:45:59,045
got another funny 1 scene performance from the

1194
00:45:59,045 --> 00:46:01,632
guy who runs the mental hospital who is

1195
00:46:01,848 --> 00:46:02,564
asleep at the wheel.

1196
00:46:04,793 --> 00:46:07,021
Does the guard check Ids? It's like,

1197
00:46:07,672 --> 00:46:09,893
Like, I suppose that would be a good

1198
00:46:09,893 --> 00:46:10,211
idea.

1199
00:46:12,274 --> 00:46:14,257
But no. We don't require that.

1200
00:46:16,890 --> 00:46:18,794
She's Patients because pretty much come and go

1201
00:46:18,794 --> 00:46:19,508
as they please...

1202
00:46:20,460 --> 00:46:22,222
Yeah. I mean, I I guess it's not

1203
00:46:22,222 --> 00:46:25,244
a... Maximum security or... Yeah. It's it's not

1204
00:46:25,244 --> 00:46:26,142
a pen

1205
00:46:26,677 --> 00:46:30,097
type. Yeah. No 1 there criminal insane.

1206
00:46:30,988 --> 00:46:33,697
So it makes a little more sense, but

1207
00:46:33,697 --> 00:46:36,587
even so, you would expect security to be

1208
00:46:36,724 --> 00:46:37,681
a little tighter.

1209
00:46:38,331 --> 00:46:40,394
Yeah. Because what we're meant to believe is

1210
00:46:40,394 --> 00:46:44,123
that long legs visited his surviving victim a

1211
00:46:44,123 --> 00:46:47,168
couple days prior and that was what reactivated

1212
00:46:47,168 --> 00:46:49,964
her, but it coincided with them poking around

1213
00:46:49,964 --> 00:46:52,862
the camera farm. Yes. And Kieran and Chic

1214
00:46:53,001 --> 00:46:55,354
gives a very cage creepy

1215
00:46:55,732 --> 00:46:57,966
performance. Again, just the 1 scene. Oh, there's

1216
00:46:57,966 --> 00:46:59,105
all kinds of little

1217
00:46:59,562 --> 00:47:02,195
dashes of flavor like that in this movie

1218
00:47:02,195 --> 00:47:04,205
where you just exactly the right amount of

1219
00:47:04,205 --> 00:47:05,423
these colorful

1220
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,832
supporting character roles, but they don't over overs

1221
00:47:08,832 --> 00:47:10,919
stay their welcome. And it she took me...

1222
00:47:11,158 --> 00:47:13,148
It took me a minute to recognize her

1223
00:47:13,148 --> 00:47:15,616
too and part of Very gone. She's very

1224
00:47:15,616 --> 00:47:17,980
ga, and she's kind of got her head

1225
00:47:18,179 --> 00:47:20,416
tilted sideways and resting on her knees,

1226
00:47:21,055 --> 00:47:23,931
and she's got her hair clipped down to

1227
00:47:23,931 --> 00:47:26,261
basically nothing. Yeah. I don't I don't know

1228
00:47:26,261 --> 00:47:28,494
that I would have successfully peg her were

1229
00:47:28,494 --> 00:47:29,850
it not for the fact that I saw

1230
00:47:29,850 --> 00:47:32,322
people singing the praises of this performance on

1231
00:47:32,482 --> 00:47:34,317
Twitter, at least 1 of whom said that

1232
00:47:34,317 --> 00:47:36,489
they did not I her. So I had

1233
00:47:36,489 --> 00:47:39,210
a leg up in that regard. Yeah. And

1234
00:47:39,210 --> 00:47:40,730
it took me a minute. It's not like

1235
00:47:40,809 --> 00:47:42,980
I've been watching mad men recent so that

1236
00:47:42,980 --> 00:47:45,124
wouldn't trip, but I've never watched the sabrina

1237
00:47:45,283 --> 00:47:48,697
Netflix series. She wasn't black coats daughter if

1238
00:47:48,856 --> 00:47:51,411
I'm not mistaken. Yeah. Prior which is the

1239
00:47:51,491 --> 00:47:53,554
As good Perkins movie that left me the

1240
00:47:53,554 --> 00:47:55,856
cold, but when I've been meaning to revisit.

1241
00:47:56,173 --> 00:47:59,054
Yeah. No. She's terrific. She's the 1

1242
00:47:59,443 --> 00:48:00,740
who introduces

1243
00:48:01,117 --> 00:48:02,175
this element

1244
00:48:02,792 --> 00:48:05,104
whereby, it seems like those who have been

1245
00:48:05,104 --> 00:48:07,677
afflicted with a long legs and encounter

1246
00:48:08,228 --> 00:48:11,017
Yeah. There's a lot of incorrect plural polarization,

1247
00:48:11,256 --> 00:48:13,965
cutting both ways. I thought. And and it

1248
00:48:13,965 --> 00:48:15,815
comes up, like, like, cakes at the end

1249
00:48:15,815 --> 00:48:17,494
of the movie. And it might be why

1250
00:48:17,494 --> 00:48:20,375
book of revelations sets Leon on edge so

1251
00:48:20,375 --> 00:48:21,974
much. Of that and the religious up upbringing.

1252
00:48:22,454 --> 00:48:24,510
Yeah. I I didn't even think about that

1253
00:48:24,629 --> 00:48:27,023
but that's absolutely right. I bet that's exactly

1254
00:48:27,023 --> 00:48:29,337
what that's supposed to be. But it's just

1255
00:48:29,337 --> 00:48:32,184
saying basically saying, I do whatever long legs

1256
00:48:32,304 --> 00:48:33,981
said if he came back here and told

1257
00:48:33,981 --> 00:48:35,976
me to murder you with my bare hands.

1258
00:48:36,296 --> 00:48:39,170
I'd do it lick split or whatever her

1259
00:48:39,170 --> 00:48:41,976
folks see, you know, curve folk sea way

1260
00:48:41,976 --> 00:48:43,721
of saying that. It it is folks, and

1261
00:48:43,721 --> 00:48:46,180
she talks about seeing her eyes, pop out

1262
00:48:46,180 --> 00:48:47,608
of her head or something, but she says

1263
00:48:47,608 --> 00:48:49,036
eyes is like sm.

1264
00:48:49,511 --> 00:48:50,400
It's yeah.

1265
00:48:51,830 --> 00:48:53,896
Or, you know, if he wanted me to

1266
00:48:53,896 --> 00:48:56,597
do a oops daisy out the window or

1267
00:48:56,597 --> 00:48:59,739
or something like that. Yeah. Take a tumble

1268
00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:03,000
ke sp, a tumbling wobbly. Like, it was

1269
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:03,960
it's it's really...

1270
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,940
I mean, we're we're laughing out, but it's

1271
00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:07,480
unsettling.

1272
00:49:07,973 --> 00:49:10,202
For sure. Yeah. The whole the whole movie

1273
00:49:10,202 --> 00:49:13,146
is is written very def like that. There

1274
00:49:13,146 --> 00:49:14,977
are the lines that could have been funny,

1275
00:49:15,295 --> 00:49:17,068
and are maybe funny in hindsight.

1276
00:49:17,619 --> 00:49:19,769
Or easy to make fun of, which is

1277
00:49:19,769 --> 00:49:21,761
not the same thing as being funny in

1278
00:49:21,761 --> 00:49:24,445
and of itself. Yeah. It's like making fun

1279
00:49:24,564 --> 00:49:27,031
of hannibal le, It very easy to do,

1280
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:28,702
but you're not doing it while the movie

1281
00:49:28,702 --> 00:49:31,249
is playing. Mh. Which is also kind of

1282
00:49:31,249 --> 00:49:33,637
classic. It feels to me a classy, old

1283
00:49:33,637 --> 00:49:35,880
school. Yeah. So many lines that could have

1284
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:36,380
been

1285
00:49:36,835 --> 00:49:39,223
accidental laugh lines, but aren't because they have

1286
00:49:39,223 --> 00:49:41,554
just the right amount of weirdness

1287
00:49:42,009 --> 00:49:44,972
baked into them calibrated just so like milk

1288
00:49:44,972 --> 00:49:47,447
tits. That kind of thing? Or just at

1289
00:49:47,447 --> 00:49:49,362
least half the shit that Long legs says.

1290
00:49:50,001 --> 00:49:52,236
Was we'll get more into Nick cage, I

1291
00:49:52,236 --> 00:49:54,983
think post. But that's a feature of him

1292
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:56,496
in this movie more than

1293
00:49:56,872 --> 00:49:59,182
anyone else, but it is throughout that there's

1294
00:49:59,182 --> 00:50:01,572
just stuff that if it had been executed

1295
00:50:01,572 --> 00:50:04,133
a little wrong. It probably wouldn't have worked.

1296
00:50:04,292 --> 00:50:05,804
And instead, it works not like a charm.

1297
00:50:06,201 --> 00:50:08,508
Well, we we do meet long legs in

1298
00:50:08,508 --> 00:50:12,261
the flesh around this time, and he's introduced

1299
00:50:12,261 --> 00:50:14,090
in in sort of an una assuming way

1300
00:50:14,090 --> 00:50:15,123
he's just running an errand,

1301
00:50:15,839 --> 00:50:18,702
and you witness an interaction with him in

1302
00:50:18,702 --> 00:50:21,739
a cashier, the dis teenager that I talked

1303
00:50:21,739 --> 00:50:23,250
about here near the beginning of the plot

1304
00:50:23,250 --> 00:50:25,817
rundown. And she's used to his antics

1305
00:50:26,271 --> 00:50:27,440
doesn't find him

1306
00:50:27,956 --> 00:50:30,659
especially blood c link just wants them to

1307
00:50:30,659 --> 00:50:32,670
get the fuck out of her store, basically.

1308
00:50:33,283 --> 00:50:35,351
And again, they're kind of a lighting his

1309
00:50:35,351 --> 00:50:36,861
face. We see him in profile.

1310
00:50:37,434 --> 00:50:39,671
Driving down the road. But once he gets

1311
00:50:39,671 --> 00:50:41,829
into the store, there's a lot of very

1312
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:44,306
careful cutting. And when we see his face,

1313
00:50:44,465 --> 00:50:45,285
he's doing

1314
00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:47,699
spooky hand stuff to

1315
00:50:48,159 --> 00:50:49,440
conceal it and some of that is in

1316
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:49,920
the trailer.

1317
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:52,079
It's not a company to buy a scare

1318
00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:54,000
court in the movie, unlike in the trailer.

1319
00:50:54,414 --> 00:50:56,332
Mh. All of this is building up to

1320
00:50:56,332 --> 00:50:58,170
a freak out that he has in the

1321
00:50:58,170 --> 00:51:01,047
car after leaving the store because the girl

1322
00:51:01,047 --> 00:51:03,378
is like dad that gross guys is here

1323
00:51:03,378 --> 00:51:04,675
again. He's being weird

1324
00:51:05,211 --> 00:51:05,711
and

1325
00:51:06,248 --> 00:51:07,385
nicholas cage

1326
00:51:07,762 --> 00:51:10,712
is is driving down this country lane, and

1327
00:51:10,712 --> 00:51:12,325
he starts drinking and going,

1328
00:51:12,965 --> 00:51:13,465
daddy.

1329
00:51:14,565 --> 00:51:15,625
It's almost this.

1330
00:51:16,085 --> 00:51:18,325
It's almost this heavy metal whale.

1331
00:51:18,819 --> 00:51:22,255
You know, Like like axle rose thing.

1332
00:51:23,294 --> 00:51:24,753
He's just doing this

1333
00:51:25,212 --> 00:51:26,511
contempt car.

1334
00:51:27,222 --> 00:51:30,719
Of this girl whose life, he obviously wanted

1335
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,263
to end on the spot, care ass the

1336
00:51:33,263 --> 00:51:35,428
way that she tried to summon her dad

1337
00:51:35,428 --> 00:51:35,828
for help.

1338
00:51:36,547 --> 00:51:38,304
And it does the same thing that the

1339
00:51:38,384 --> 00:51:41,340
Buffalo bill scenes do and silence of the

1340
00:51:41,340 --> 00:51:44,698
lambs. Or the tooth fairy scenes do in

1341
00:51:44,698 --> 00:51:47,084
man hunter where it just shows you, like,

1342
00:51:47,402 --> 00:51:49,405
this is this guy's life. You know, this

1343
00:51:49,405 --> 00:51:51,151
is day in day out. This is who

1344
00:51:51,151 --> 00:51:52,897
this guy is. This is how he operates,

1345
00:51:53,056 --> 00:51:55,040
and this is how people who are made

1346
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,622
to interact with him feel about

1347
00:51:58,398 --> 00:52:00,950
having to interact with him. These are not

1348
00:52:00,950 --> 00:52:04,220
ted bundy serial killers. U. No. Not suave.

1349
00:52:06,069 --> 00:52:08,778
Not not ones who pass for normal and

1350
00:52:08,778 --> 00:52:11,089
who even seem charming. They're the ones like,

1351
00:52:12,364 --> 00:52:14,685
they're the ones who when the news goes

1352
00:52:14,685 --> 00:52:17,940
around and interviews everyone. No 1 fails to

1353
00:52:17,940 --> 00:52:18,099
say,

1354
00:52:18,893 --> 00:52:20,719
yeah. I always thought that guy was pretty

1355
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:20,957
weird.

1356
00:52:24,409 --> 00:52:24,909
So

1357
00:52:25,210 --> 00:52:28,170
Lee goes to talk to her mother at

1358
00:52:28,329 --> 00:52:29,929
Carter's urging, and we got the sense that

1359
00:52:30,010 --> 00:52:32,917
Lee has been avoiding her mother, she mentions

1360
00:52:32,974 --> 00:52:34,645
after it's getting the promotion to the Long

1361
00:52:34,645 --> 00:52:37,032
lakes case, not being able to visit for

1362
00:52:37,032 --> 00:52:38,226
some visit they had planned.

1363
00:52:38,879 --> 00:52:41,114
And I think it's around her birthday or

1364
00:52:41,114 --> 00:52:43,348
supposedly which is a thing that makes you

1365
00:52:43,348 --> 00:52:46,222
twitch a little bit in this scenario. And

1366
00:52:46,222 --> 00:52:47,833
when was that again? Pray.

1367
00:52:49,348 --> 00:52:52,060
And if a our teeth. Mh. But Carter

1368
00:52:52,060 --> 00:52:55,011
insists because he's noticed that long legs is

1369
00:52:55,011 --> 00:52:56,766
giving Lee preferential treatment.

1370
00:52:57,418 --> 00:53:00,122
And he's keen to know why, and he

1371
00:53:00,122 --> 00:53:02,270
happens to know that A911

1372
00:53:02,270 --> 00:53:05,312
call was placed about a home intruder or

1373
00:53:05,312 --> 00:53:07,626
or a tres, the day before her...

1374
00:53:08,265 --> 00:53:10,181
Was it her ninth birthday in the mid

1375
00:53:10,181 --> 00:53:13,388
seventies. Yeah. And so he thinks that Lee

1376
00:53:13,388 --> 00:53:15,224
might have had a brush with long legs

1377
00:53:15,224 --> 00:53:17,001
and in fact, this was the pro log

1378
00:53:17,139 --> 00:53:19,374
that we saw. I wore my long legs

1379
00:53:19,374 --> 00:53:22,579
today, etcetera. Yeah. So Lee goes to talk

1380
00:53:22,579 --> 00:53:24,411
to her mother and her mother is not

1381
00:53:24,411 --> 00:53:25,845
all there, but is

1382
00:53:26,721 --> 00:53:28,792
well, she's a hoard for 1 thing. Her

1383
00:53:28,792 --> 00:53:30,146
house is just littered with crap.

1384
00:53:30,798 --> 00:53:32,548
She's... Yeah. Right. So it's a horror house,

1385
00:53:32,787 --> 00:53:34,696
which I always like. I like it when

1386
00:53:34,696 --> 00:53:37,503
movies have a realistic amount of clutter

1387
00:53:37,813 --> 00:53:39,561
not something you see very often silence of

1388
00:53:39,561 --> 00:53:41,070
the lambs is also kind of the gold

1389
00:53:41,070 --> 00:53:43,215
standard for me. In that regard. I think

1390
00:53:43,215 --> 00:53:46,233
it's Fred Be house when Star finds the

1391
00:53:46,233 --> 00:53:47,107
polaroid hidden.

1392
00:53:47,677 --> 00:53:49,341
In the What Call of the music box.

1393
00:53:49,659 --> 00:53:52,669
Yeah. That that house is realistically dr in

1394
00:53:52,669 --> 00:53:54,984
a way that Hollywood is seldom able to

1395
00:53:54,984 --> 00:53:57,614
capture. This is a few degrees ramped up

1396
00:53:57,614 --> 00:53:59,209
from that because it is a hoard house,

1397
00:53:59,448 --> 00:54:01,919
but it's it's very finely detailed. And the

1398
00:54:01,919 --> 00:54:04,086
mother's performance also is kind of thing that

1399
00:54:04,086 --> 00:54:04,985
you have to

1400
00:54:05,601 --> 00:54:07,057
calibrate very carefully

1401
00:54:07,434 --> 00:54:10,224
because when characters like that are 2 out

1402
00:54:10,224 --> 00:54:12,394
to lunch. It can just tedious. It can

1403
00:54:12,394 --> 00:54:13,755
just make you feel like you're banging your

1404
00:54:13,755 --> 00:54:16,494
head against a wall, but she's just cog

1405
00:54:16,635 --> 00:54:17,135
enough

1406
00:54:17,594 --> 00:54:19,434
for you to feel like your time's not

1407
00:54:19,434 --> 00:54:21,768
being wasted. You know, Lee isn't barking up

1408
00:54:21,768 --> 00:54:23,604
the wrong tree here. She's trying to get

1409
00:54:23,604 --> 00:54:24,961
answers from this woman and you get the

1410
00:54:24,961 --> 00:54:27,515
sense that her mother is capable of supplying

1411
00:54:27,515 --> 00:54:29,271
those answers. They just need to be coached.

1412
00:54:30,083 --> 00:54:31,356
Because she is kind of bad.

1413
00:54:32,072 --> 00:54:34,619
Yeah. There's a locked door that Lee is

1414
00:54:34,619 --> 00:54:36,289
not able to get into. This is 1

1415
00:54:36,289 --> 00:54:38,677
of those moments that in hindsight, you would

1416
00:54:38,677 --> 00:54:41,083
think she would have a prem mission or

1417
00:54:41,083 --> 00:54:44,694
something, which doesn't happen. Again, her psychic abilities

1418
00:54:44,753 --> 00:54:47,624
are under used, but art so, I think,

1419
00:54:47,783 --> 00:54:51,148
and their main function is to create pre

1420
00:54:51,148 --> 00:54:52,824
preconditions for what happens at the end of

1421
00:54:52,824 --> 00:54:53,223
the movie.

1422
00:54:54,340 --> 00:54:55,637
She finds

1423
00:54:56,015 --> 00:54:58,418
picture that were of long legs and of

1424
00:54:58,418 --> 00:55:00,590
herself. If I remember right that were taken

1425
00:55:00,727 --> 00:55:02,876
that snowy day that we glimpse at the

1426
00:55:02,876 --> 00:55:04,960
beginning of the movie and she then. Takes

1427
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:06,494
those pictures, those polaroid

1428
00:55:07,029 --> 00:55:10,689
to Carter and on that basis before man

1429
00:55:10,689 --> 00:55:11,189
enforcement

1430
00:55:12,121 --> 00:55:12,996
psychic damage.

1431
00:55:13,567 --> 00:55:15,573
Right. She sees his face

1432
00:55:15,945 --> 00:55:18,482
and just blacks out for a second. Basically.

1433
00:55:18,641 --> 00:55:21,755
Right. But they have his face now. His

1434
00:55:21,755 --> 00:55:23,994
glorious visit of which I'll have more to

1435
00:55:23,994 --> 00:55:25,914
say in a moment. Yeah. And on that

1436
00:55:25,914 --> 00:55:28,315
basis, they initiate a man hunt, and he

1437
00:55:28,315 --> 00:55:31,848
is rep recommended basically immediate hey, he's found

1438
00:55:31,848 --> 00:55:33,686
with apple cases.

1439
00:55:34,325 --> 00:55:34,884
That... Yeah.

1440
00:55:35,683 --> 00:55:37,282
Yeah. He's given a slap on the wrist.

1441
00:55:38,161 --> 00:55:40,724
Give a a stern talking to and Yeah.

1442
00:55:40,883 --> 00:55:43,189
The Fbi not to do it again. The

1443
00:55:43,427 --> 00:55:46,130
Fbi guides him in no uncertain terms.

1444
00:55:47,259 --> 00:55:49,730
His... Yes. He is he is apprehended with

1445
00:55:49,730 --> 00:55:52,063
a pair of suit suitcases full of journals

1446
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,112
full of his rambling, which is a little

1447
00:55:54,112 --> 00:55:57,085
bit John doe. Yeah. And then he's in

1448
00:55:57,085 --> 00:55:58,605
custody and We we get a good look

1449
00:55:58,605 --> 00:56:00,704
at his face for the first time. And

1450
00:56:01,005 --> 00:56:01,744
he looks

1451
00:56:02,045 --> 00:56:02,864
and sounds

1452
00:56:03,164 --> 00:56:03,664
like

1453
00:56:04,218 --> 00:56:06,306
a botched face lift

1454
00:56:06,758 --> 00:56:07,235
philips,

1455
00:56:07,870 --> 00:56:09,481
I think. That's that's

1456
00:56:10,331 --> 00:56:12,413
what I would like in him to. It's

1457
00:56:12,413 --> 00:56:14,488
it it it he has... It looks like

1458
00:56:14,488 --> 00:56:17,360
bad filler in his lips and his cheeks.

1459
00:56:17,919 --> 00:56:19,057
He's got an and.

1460
00:56:19,928 --> 00:56:22,390
To him, A min singh kind of camp

1461
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:25,329
the, queen, kind of thing. The last shot

1462
00:56:25,329 --> 00:56:27,076
of the movie is him blowing the camera,

1463
00:56:27,155 --> 00:56:28,982
a kiss, just giving the audience a big

1464
00:56:28,982 --> 00:56:31,935
old sm. Well, and the other way I

1465
00:56:31,935 --> 00:56:33,444
thought of it is... And this is kind

1466
00:56:33,444 --> 00:56:36,064
of the first thing I thought of when

1467
00:56:36,064 --> 00:56:38,782
we encountered long legs maybe not literally the

1468
00:56:38,782 --> 00:56:40,770
first scene, although maybe even as early as

1469
00:56:40,770 --> 00:56:40,929
that,

1470
00:56:41,645 --> 00:56:43,815
but it's like Odds Perkins

1471
00:56:44,524 --> 00:56:45,024
finally

1472
00:56:45,479 --> 00:56:45,979
cracked

1473
00:56:46,354 --> 00:56:49,537
what James Wan could not and made tiny

1474
00:56:49,696 --> 00:56:50,651
Tim scary.

1475
00:56:52,419 --> 00:56:54,735
Yeah. I thought of tiny tim too. I

1476
00:56:54,735 --> 00:56:55,614
thought this is...

1477
00:56:56,813 --> 00:56:58,890
What's the... I think blood harvest is the

1478
00:56:58,890 --> 00:57:01,055
name of the moon where tiny Tim plays

1479
00:57:01,055 --> 00:57:03,680
a der killer. I thought, like, this is

1480
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,907
this is like Philips blood harvest.

1481
00:57:06,878 --> 00:57:08,395
But there's a reason I thought of blood

1482
00:57:08,395 --> 00:57:10,071
harvest to begin with, and it is because

1483
00:57:10,071 --> 00:57:12,386
there's some tiny tim Dna in there. He

1484
00:57:12,386 --> 00:57:14,860
has that lil false set that he dips

1485
00:57:14,860 --> 00:57:17,361
into. Yes. As there's kind of his dominant

1486
00:57:17,495 --> 00:57:19,557
register that he inhabit, but then he can

1487
00:57:19,557 --> 00:57:22,808
also, you know, sw he hit and gh.

1488
00:57:23,459 --> 00:57:26,490
Yeah. Right. Usually, and and usually his delivery

1489
00:57:26,490 --> 00:57:28,563
is tied to what he's doing with his

1490
00:57:28,563 --> 00:57:31,855
posture. When he gets the most down low

1491
00:57:32,073 --> 00:57:33,842
in terms of the vocal arms. He is

1492
00:57:33,842 --> 00:57:37,290
literally s over and talking about getting down,

1493
00:57:37,905 --> 00:57:38,405
down,

1494
00:57:39,021 --> 00:57:41,809
You know. On on the dirty ground or

1495
00:57:41,809 --> 00:57:42,606
whatever he says.

1496
00:57:43,336 --> 00:57:46,195
Speaking and in Rhyme as he occasionally does.

1497
00:57:46,592 --> 00:57:48,419
So it's a it's a very sing song,

1498
00:57:48,737 --> 00:57:51,143
kind of very literal performance

1499
00:57:51,516 --> 00:57:53,359
in some ways. It's like, you know, if

1500
00:57:53,438 --> 00:57:54,948
I'm gonna talk like this, then I'm gonna

1501
00:57:54,948 --> 00:57:56,458
move like this, and it's, you know, it's

1502
00:57:56,458 --> 00:57:57,729
just something that you would see in, like,

1503
00:57:57,888 --> 00:57:59,953
like, like an actor who's maybe over committing

1504
00:57:59,953 --> 00:58:00,986
to children's theater.

1505
00:58:02,514 --> 00:58:06,813
Very very broad, but singular and disturbing? Yes.

1506
00:58:07,291 --> 00:58:09,543
So we got a a ted tech

1507
00:58:10,172 --> 00:58:13,536
between lee and long legs. They're in classic

1508
00:58:13,592 --> 00:58:16,059
mind hunter fashion seated across the table from

1509
00:58:16,059 --> 00:58:16,750
1 another

1510
00:58:17,267 --> 00:58:19,737
and she is convinced that he must have

1511
00:58:19,737 --> 00:58:21,329
had help. This is an idea that comes

1512
00:58:21,329 --> 00:58:22,922
up near the beginning of the movie where

1513
00:58:22,922 --> 00:58:24,219
they named drop Manson

1514
00:58:24,755 --> 00:58:27,395
and say that legs might have a family

1515
00:58:27,395 --> 00:58:29,644
might have aco might have acc,

1516
00:58:30,257 --> 00:58:32,403
and she's trying to get that information out

1517
00:58:32,403 --> 00:58:34,550
of him. The idea is bro that it

1518
00:58:34,550 --> 00:58:35,288
might be

1519
00:58:35,598 --> 00:58:37,744
Kieran and Sc because she says that she

1520
00:58:37,744 --> 00:58:39,493
would be all too happy to do his

1521
00:58:39,493 --> 00:58:42,751
bidding, but then she's revealed roundabout now to

1522
00:58:42,751 --> 00:58:45,546
have killed herself. She took her groups daisy

1523
00:58:45,546 --> 00:58:46,102
out the window.

1524
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,106
Which I presumably was his bidding.

1525
00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:52,716
We don't know that for a fact.

1526
00:58:53,515 --> 00:58:55,750
And this whole scene is just great. It's

1527
00:58:55,750 --> 00:58:58,703
not a jam gum kind of performance. It

1528
00:58:58,703 --> 00:59:01,691
is more theatrical than that it's closer to

1529
00:59:01,909 --> 00:59:04,540
who is that actor, who's Buffalo Bill. He's

1530
00:59:04,540 --> 00:59:06,373
the guy with the fucking weird pho photograph

1531
00:59:06,373 --> 00:59:07,569
coming out of the side of his head

1532
00:59:07,569 --> 00:59:08,686
and Wild Wild West.

1533
00:59:09,577 --> 00:59:11,727
Great performance in any case. Part of what

1534
00:59:11,727 --> 00:59:12,364
makes that movie,

1535
00:59:13,081 --> 00:59:16,266
so just holistically wonderful for me is that

1536
00:59:16,266 --> 00:59:19,699
you've got Anthony Hopkins who's basically dracula, You

1537
00:59:19,699 --> 00:59:22,002
know. And and and then you've got you've

1538
00:59:22,002 --> 00:59:23,511
got the other guy whose name I wish

1539
00:59:23,590 --> 00:59:25,179
I could remember because he's so fucking good

1540
00:59:25,179 --> 00:59:26,766
in that role. And he's like,

1541
00:59:27,497 --> 00:59:29,327
straight out of Henry Portrait of a serial

1542
00:59:29,327 --> 00:59:31,396
killer. Just very salt of the earth,

1543
00:59:32,191 --> 00:59:33,067
very credible,

1544
00:59:33,544 --> 00:59:35,135
and you can kinda have your cake and

1545
00:59:35,135 --> 00:59:36,902
eat it too. There's a whole spectrum of

1546
00:59:36,902 --> 00:59:39,454
villain in that movie from, you know, very

1547
00:59:39,454 --> 00:59:42,246
terrestrial to ted that right. X. There it

1548
00:59:42,246 --> 00:59:44,240
is. It's not a Ted Levine kind of

1549
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,096
performance. It's a lot closer to

1550
00:59:46,488 --> 00:59:48,323
Well, it's it's not really like anything I've

1551
00:59:48,323 --> 00:59:50,636
never ever seen before. But in term... But

1552
00:59:50,636 --> 00:59:52,869
in terms of the theatrical reality, it's a

1553
00:59:52,869 --> 00:59:55,820
lot closer to, like, Brad Der in 3.

1554
00:59:56,474 --> 00:59:58,574
Gemini killer. Yeah. And

1555
00:59:58,954 --> 01:00:01,195
excellent scene really gives a lot to sink

1556
01:00:01,195 --> 01:00:03,434
your teeth into, but she really doesn't glean

1557
01:00:03,434 --> 01:00:03,934
anything

1558
01:00:04,235 --> 01:00:07,125
valuable from him. And then in in a

1559
01:00:07,125 --> 01:00:09,518
moment that would have felt kinda hack or

1560
01:00:09,518 --> 01:00:12,070
predictable in most movies like this, but which

1561
01:00:12,070 --> 01:00:14,702
did catch me off guard. He says Hail

1562
01:00:14,861 --> 01:00:15,180
Satan.

1563
01:00:15,673 --> 01:00:18,480
And then smash his face into the table

1564
01:00:18,696 --> 01:00:21,639
repeatedly, and, basically pulp it drives his nose

1565
01:00:21,639 --> 01:00:23,867
into his brain, killed some size. Yeah.

1566
01:00:24,517 --> 01:00:27,215
Yeah. Basically... He talks about how he's a

1567
01:00:27,215 --> 01:00:29,381
a friend of a friend and his acc

1568
01:00:29,596 --> 01:00:30,809
is mister downstairs.

1569
01:00:31,754 --> 01:00:34,226
It's Satan. It's the devil. Well, And he

1570
01:00:34,226 --> 01:00:35,901
comes out and says, Hail Satan, which is

1571
01:00:35,901 --> 01:00:38,213
a little bit more night stalker, you know,

1572
01:00:38,453 --> 01:00:40,388
So we're getting sort of a a hodgepodge

1573
01:00:40,765 --> 01:00:43,584
of serial killers here, which is done

1574
01:00:43,957 --> 01:00:45,942
pretty shrewd, I think. And I like that

1575
01:00:45,942 --> 01:00:48,824
he just is an agent of the devil

1576
01:00:49,373 --> 01:00:52,321
because it spares you. I mentioned before that

1577
01:00:52,321 --> 01:00:54,813
facetime isn't an option for our characters mer.

1578
01:00:55,349 --> 01:00:57,938
Skype what have you this wouldn't have happened

1579
01:00:58,076 --> 01:00:59,513
anyway. But the fact that it is just

1580
01:00:59,672 --> 01:01:03,105
Satan's spares you, Vincent Don or whoever, sky

1581
01:01:03,105 --> 01:01:06,394
in to explain the gh. You know, And

1582
01:01:06,394 --> 01:01:07,994
how he's... He's, like, this very this niche.

1583
01:01:08,234 --> 01:01:09,914
It's like someone talking about a band you've

1584
01:01:09,914 --> 01:01:11,594
never heard of. You know, I was at

1585
01:01:11,594 --> 01:01:13,434
their first show and ancient sum area,

1586
01:01:14,327 --> 01:01:17,115
when when when they're when the Boo cult

1587
01:01:17,115 --> 01:01:19,027
first got off the ground all the baby

1588
01:01:19,027 --> 01:01:19,527
sacrifices?

1589
01:01:20,143 --> 01:01:21,672
It's goes. It's Zoo.

1590
01:01:22,310 --> 01:01:23,607
Yeah. Right. Exactly.

1591
01:01:25,180 --> 01:01:26,934
But no. It's just it's it's it's the

1592
01:01:26,934 --> 01:01:28,688
big guy. It's it's the guy, not the

1593
01:01:28,688 --> 01:01:31,034
guy upstairs, but the guy downstairs or.

1594
01:01:31,966 --> 01:01:34,670
Eu referred to, yeah. Mister Downstairs, which is...

1595
01:01:35,068 --> 01:01:36,579
I thought that we were all out of

1596
01:01:36,579 --> 01:01:37,398
good eu.

1597
01:01:37,932 --> 01:01:40,487
Even even like fallen has as az? Is

1598
01:01:40,487 --> 01:01:42,868
that right, Which is fine and and functional.

1599
01:01:43,026 --> 01:01:44,772
But if you can actually make me scared

1600
01:01:44,772 --> 01:01:45,407
of the devil,

1601
01:01:46,058 --> 01:01:48,367
that's a real coup, and and it gives

1602
01:01:48,367 --> 01:01:51,076
your movie more he, I think. Yeah. It's

1603
01:01:51,076 --> 01:01:52,987
an uphill battle because I don't really have

1604
01:01:52,987 --> 01:01:55,232
a spiritual bone in my body. Or a

1605
01:01:55,232 --> 01:01:58,021
super bone, but this movie does more or

1606
01:01:58,021 --> 01:01:59,773
less pull it off. And the the few

1607
01:01:59,773 --> 01:02:02,721
glimpse we get of mister Downstairs are just

1608
01:02:02,721 --> 01:02:04,888
pure Ba. You know, It's kind of this

1609
01:02:04,888 --> 01:02:06,505
horn to goat like silhouette

1610
01:02:06,963 --> 01:02:10,314
thing. Yeah. Very black fill up. Damn right.

1611
01:02:10,793 --> 01:02:12,204
The other thing that long legs

1612
01:02:12,963 --> 01:02:15,835
reveals before he pale satan's and kills himself.

1613
01:02:16,234 --> 01:02:20,239
He makes sort of elliptical reference to you've

1614
01:02:20,239 --> 01:02:23,914
captured me and now I'm free. Yeah. There'll

1615
01:02:23,914 --> 01:02:26,232
be a little bit of me everywhere, and

1616
01:02:26,232 --> 01:02:27,750
we don't really know what to make of

1617
01:02:27,750 --> 01:02:30,002
this. Yeah. My work is done, but it's

1618
01:02:30,002 --> 01:02:32,879
just the beginning. That's the vibe. Yeah. And

1619
01:02:32,879 --> 01:02:33,698
there's been

1620
01:02:34,317 --> 01:02:37,129
whiff of sulfur throughout this this movie. You

1621
01:02:37,129 --> 01:02:39,686
know, it just just bits and bobs of...

1622
01:02:40,086 --> 01:02:41,924
Brim stone. Yeah. Is there a little bit

1623
01:02:41,924 --> 01:02:44,402
of supernatural going on. But as you said

1624
01:02:44,402 --> 01:02:47,394
early on, and this holds true pretty much

1625
01:02:47,454 --> 01:02:49,855
up until this point, and then it's after

1626
01:02:49,855 --> 01:02:51,775
this where it really expands, but up to

1627
01:02:51,775 --> 01:02:54,594
this point, it's all stayed pretty grounded

1628
01:02:55,069 --> 01:02:57,244
you can pretty much explain everything.

1629
01:02:57,780 --> 01:03:00,173
Again, besides the kinda of weird doll stuff

1630
01:03:00,173 --> 01:03:02,087
and whatever. But you can still... Just like,

1631
01:03:02,246 --> 01:03:04,653
okay. Yeah. People are just on edge people

1632
01:03:04,653 --> 01:03:06,802
are feeling weird, whatever. This is all still

1633
01:03:06,802 --> 01:03:10,462
grounded, but it's after this where it kinda

1634
01:03:10,462 --> 01:03:12,553
kicks into overdrive on a supernatural

1635
01:03:13,008 --> 01:03:13,247
level.

1636
01:03:13,900 --> 01:03:17,179
Yeah. Well, and and because her apparent clair

1637
01:03:17,179 --> 01:03:19,659
v was dealt with so matter of fact,

1638
01:03:20,059 --> 01:03:22,034
the movie doesn't come to a screeching halt

1639
01:03:22,154 --> 01:03:23,824
so that 1 or more characters can be,

1640
01:03:23,904 --> 01:03:26,869
like, how is this possible? You know it's

1641
01:03:26,927 --> 01:03:27,960
mother of god.

1642
01:03:30,523 --> 01:03:32,354
There are more things in heaven and earth

1643
01:03:32,354 --> 01:03:33,946
har ratio blah blah blah. They just kind

1644
01:03:33,946 --> 01:03:36,096
of take it in stride. Yeah. These things

1645
01:03:36,096 --> 01:03:37,472
do happen. Although

1646
01:03:37,783 --> 01:03:40,331
Carter at this point does angrily storm off

1647
01:03:40,331 --> 01:03:43,198
angry because long legs died in captivity, and

1648
01:03:43,198 --> 01:03:44,552
they're not gonna be able to grill him,

1649
01:03:44,870 --> 01:03:48,313
but he's convinced that the acc theory was

1650
01:03:48,313 --> 01:03:50,328
bunk, and he also angrily

1651
01:03:51,025 --> 01:03:52,163
denounce any

1652
01:03:52,619 --> 01:03:55,730
notion of there being voodoo black magic.

1653
01:03:56,304 --> 01:03:59,175
At play here. But Lee gets a sympathetic

1654
01:03:59,175 --> 01:04:01,828
glance from a different Fed who was just

1655
01:04:01,886 --> 01:04:04,438
introduced and was the character who says book

1656
01:04:04,438 --> 01:04:05,396
of revelations.

1657
01:04:05,889 --> 01:04:08,117
Right. And so you think I got sort

1658
01:04:08,117 --> 01:04:10,346
of, like, not chi in silence of the

1659
01:04:10,346 --> 01:04:12,097
lambs because he's such a douche bag and

1660
01:04:12,097 --> 01:04:14,183
she's not, like operating at that level, but

1661
01:04:14,263 --> 01:04:16,737
I I did get a sort of feeling

1662
01:04:16,737 --> 01:04:19,450
of not outright incompetence, but, like, it is

1663
01:04:19,450 --> 01:04:21,546
not not a character that I expected anything

1664
01:04:21,699 --> 01:04:24,398
from just because her only scene involved her

1665
01:04:24,398 --> 01:04:26,780
flu something that the protagonist gets to kind

1666
01:04:26,780 --> 01:04:29,813
of smart acid correct her on. Mh. But

1667
01:04:29,813 --> 01:04:32,608
then she... After Carter sort of stonewall walls,

1668
01:04:32,927 --> 01:04:35,960
lee's attempt to keep pulling the thread this

1669
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:37,477
character, who I don't know has I've ever

1670
01:04:37,477 --> 01:04:40,125
even given a name. Throws in their lot

1671
01:04:40,125 --> 01:04:42,517
with Lee, and the 2 of them go

1672
01:04:42,517 --> 01:04:46,505
to interview Lee's mother because Lee's mother was

1673
01:04:46,505 --> 01:04:49,075
present when long legs showed up that day

1674
01:04:49,075 --> 01:04:51,155
from the pro log, and so this is

1675
01:04:51,155 --> 01:04:52,595
kind of their last avenue,

1676
01:04:52,914 --> 01:04:55,474
and it turns out in a moment that

1677
01:04:55,474 --> 01:04:57,587
got this just wonderful

1678
01:04:58,521 --> 01:05:01,231
delicious gasp from someone sitting in the dark,

1679
01:05:01,471 --> 01:05:03,782
a dozen or more rose behind me. There's

1680
01:05:03,782 --> 01:05:06,605
a shot of this other character this Fed

1681
01:05:06,980 --> 01:05:09,049
sitting behind the wheel of the car in

1682
01:05:09,049 --> 01:05:09,788
the driveway

1683
01:05:10,242 --> 01:05:13,621
at Lee's mom's house and then Lee's mother

1684
01:05:13,678 --> 01:05:15,110
comes up behind her. It's 1 of those

1685
01:05:15,110 --> 01:05:19,023
shots like Carrie mom in the attic. At

1686
01:05:19,023 --> 01:05:21,570
the end of Carrie where she's in frame,

1687
01:05:22,047 --> 01:05:23,878
but you're not meant to see her right

1688
01:05:23,878 --> 01:05:26,918
away is just classic mis direction. Where there's

1689
01:05:26,918 --> 01:05:30,112
really nothing being concealed, the director just knows

1690
01:05:30,112 --> 01:05:32,507
that different people will notice her at different

1691
01:05:32,507 --> 01:05:34,264
times, which is what happened. When I heard

1692
01:05:34,264 --> 01:05:35,621
of the gas, I didn't know what there

1693
01:05:35,621 --> 01:05:38,775
was to gas about, which is funny because

1694
01:05:38,835 --> 01:05:42,114
kinda throughout the movie at various points at

1695
01:05:42,114 --> 01:05:43,015
least once

1696
01:05:43,315 --> 01:05:46,285
long legs makes his initial appearance at adult

1697
01:05:46,285 --> 01:05:48,115
lee's home in the middle of the night,

1698
01:05:48,991 --> 01:05:52,652
there's a sma of shots where you either

1699
01:05:52,652 --> 01:05:55,458
do see what appears to be or actually

1700
01:05:55,458 --> 01:05:58,410
is a long legs silhouette through a window

1701
01:05:58,410 --> 01:06:01,239
or in the background, Mh. Or you just

1702
01:06:01,300 --> 01:06:03,300
expect to see it. So in that sense

1703
01:06:03,300 --> 01:06:04,760
it's even more impressive

1704
01:06:05,219 --> 01:06:07,719
that Oz perkins could essentially do

1705
01:06:08,099 --> 01:06:09,489
that same thing

1706
01:06:09,943 --> 01:06:13,119
with lee's mom and pull it off like

1707
01:06:13,119 --> 01:06:14,231
that. Yeah.

1708
01:06:14,867 --> 01:06:17,408
So Lee's mom blows the fed's head off.

1709
01:06:17,567 --> 01:06:19,968
We see blood sp the inside of the

1710
01:06:19,968 --> 01:06:23,490
windshield. Lee also sees this through a window

1711
01:06:24,025 --> 01:06:26,195
inside the house. This is what supplies the

1712
01:06:26,195 --> 01:06:28,994
poster, her gasping with 1 hand on her

1713
01:06:28,994 --> 01:06:29,474
firearm.

1714
01:06:29,954 --> 01:06:32,114
Great shot. Yeah. Terrific.

1715
01:06:32,529 --> 01:06:35,163
And we think that Lee's mother has a

1716
01:06:35,163 --> 01:06:37,956
child at gunpoint in the backyard turns out

1717
01:06:37,956 --> 01:06:40,431
it's just another 1 of long legs dolls.

1718
01:06:41,085 --> 01:06:43,242
But it's 1 that looks like child lee,

1719
01:06:43,482 --> 01:06:46,199
very... Yeah. Pointed. So we don't know what's

1720
01:06:46,199 --> 01:06:48,517
going on with the dolls here, but something

1721
01:06:48,517 --> 01:06:49,017
supernatural

1722
01:06:49,396 --> 01:06:50,889
is clearly a foot

1723
01:06:51,408 --> 01:06:52,706
because when

1724
01:06:53,083 --> 01:06:55,556
lee's mom pulls the trigger. And this is

1725
01:06:55,556 --> 01:06:57,869
maybe the only thing in the whole movie

1726
01:06:57,869 --> 01:06:59,463
that left a sour taste in my mouth,

1727
01:06:59,783 --> 01:07:02,113
albeit a mild 1 we see this kind

1728
01:07:02,113 --> 01:07:03,332
of black vapor

1729
01:07:03,951 --> 01:07:05,389
spill out of the head of the doll.

1730
01:07:05,629 --> 01:07:07,227
It's the only thing that kind of sent

1731
01:07:07,227 --> 01:07:09,385
me rocket back to 20 24.

1732
01:07:10,037 --> 01:07:11,549
You know, because it's not the sort of

1733
01:07:11,549 --> 01:07:12,981
thing you would ever see in a nineties

1734
01:07:12,981 --> 01:07:15,129
movie. It's not something you would see in

1735
01:07:15,129 --> 01:07:17,198
the original twin peaks. It's maybe something you

1736
01:07:17,198 --> 01:07:19,601
would see in season 3. Mh. It's got

1737
01:07:19,601 --> 01:07:21,672
that kind of... It it it looks slightly

1738
01:07:21,672 --> 01:07:24,301
s, the black, whatever it is, spilling out

1739
01:07:24,301 --> 01:07:27,101
of the dolls head and out of the

1740
01:07:27,101 --> 01:07:28,929
back of lee's head at the moment that

1741
01:07:28,929 --> 01:07:31,495
the bullet passes through, and then, Lee

1742
01:07:32,187 --> 01:07:34,015
has has sort of an oops daisy of

1743
01:07:34,015 --> 01:07:36,735
her own. She collapses to the ground and

1744
01:07:36,735 --> 01:07:39,442
con out when she comes to... I don't

1745
01:07:39,442 --> 01:07:41,592
know quite how to regain you with all

1746
01:07:41,592 --> 01:07:43,239
of this because the mechanics of it are

1747
01:07:43,439 --> 01:07:44,578
a little bit convoluted.

1748
01:07:45,036 --> 01:07:47,830
Not excessively so. I I think that the

1749
01:07:47,830 --> 01:07:48,330
movie

1750
01:07:48,788 --> 01:07:51,822
gets very close to fa here, but it

1751
01:07:51,822 --> 01:07:52,700
sticks the landing.

1752
01:07:53,592 --> 01:07:54,092
Because

1753
01:07:54,467 --> 01:07:56,958
it is able to convey a lot of

1754
01:07:57,094 --> 01:07:58,470
information very quickly

1755
01:07:58,846 --> 01:08:00,278
and in a way that doesn't come up

1756
01:08:00,278 --> 01:08:02,839
with the works. Going into the climax. Basically,

1757
01:08:02,998 --> 01:08:04,055
we get a whole

1758
01:08:04,589 --> 01:08:07,532
exposition spiel from Lee's mother, na, I guess,

1759
01:08:07,851 --> 01:08:09,694
direct to us because she's not telling her

1760
01:08:09,694 --> 01:08:12,738
daughter. Her daughter unconscious, basically filling us in

1761
01:08:12,795 --> 01:08:14,464
on what her life has been the last

1762
01:08:14,464 --> 01:08:17,495
several decades since that meeting with long legs

1763
01:08:17,495 --> 01:08:20,055
out in the snow, and she was

1764
01:08:20,507 --> 01:08:23,305
strong armed more or less into being his

1765
01:08:23,773 --> 01:08:24,273
accomplished

1766
01:08:24,649 --> 01:08:25,785
because the alternative

1767
01:08:26,161 --> 01:08:27,673
was the death of her daughter.

1768
01:08:28,310 --> 01:08:31,413
And so... And not just death, but eternal

1769
01:08:31,413 --> 01:08:32,926
damn nation, burning in hell.

1770
01:08:33,657 --> 01:08:36,363
Right. So she has become a Satan worship,

1771
01:08:36,523 --> 01:08:38,114
which is a a funny way to try

1772
01:08:38,114 --> 01:08:39,308
to get out of the lake of fire,

1773
01:08:39,467 --> 01:08:40,954
But I guess if you're if you're

1774
01:08:41,951 --> 01:08:44,205
Yeah. If you're... She she mentions

1775
01:08:44,662 --> 01:08:48,010
specifically awaiting the day where the beast rises

1776
01:08:48,010 --> 01:08:50,018
out of the water, you know, with 10

1777
01:08:50,018 --> 01:08:52,488
crowns and all the rest of it. And

1778
01:08:52,488 --> 01:08:54,800
so I guess, her thinking is that Satan

1779
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:57,761
will emerge victorious that day, and that's how

1780
01:08:57,761 --> 01:08:59,904
she's going to avoid going to hell for

1781
01:08:59,904 --> 01:09:03,158
eternity. Mh. Because that's what's supposed to happen

1782
01:09:03,158 --> 01:09:04,744
to people who are in league with the

1783
01:09:04,744 --> 01:09:07,550
devil. But I guess some someone told her

1784
01:09:07,550 --> 01:09:10,270
different. She does turn into... Well, alright. So

1785
01:09:10,270 --> 01:09:11,869
it's it's very much a Wolf in Sheep

1786
01:09:11,869 --> 01:09:14,350
clothing, and it's been post earlier in the

1787
01:09:14,350 --> 01:09:17,960
movie. That whoever long legs accomplish is, it's

1788
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:21,235
someone that people would trust and open their

1789
01:09:21,235 --> 01:09:23,746
door to. This is always an intriguing question

1790
01:09:23,804 --> 01:09:26,357
in movies like this. I think that in

1791
01:09:26,437 --> 01:09:29,645
Red Dragon, the guy revealed to work for

1792
01:09:29,645 --> 01:09:33,005
a company that processes home video footage, and

1793
01:09:33,005 --> 01:09:35,085
that's how he is able to know the

1794
01:09:35,085 --> 01:09:37,164
ins and outs of all of these houses.

1795
01:09:37,579 --> 01:09:39,579
That he breaks into. There's always... It's always

1796
01:09:39,579 --> 01:09:43,100
very tantalizing. Wondering how it is that they

1797
01:09:43,100 --> 01:09:44,699
got a point of entry in the first

1798
01:09:44,699 --> 01:09:46,631
place, whether they were, you know, especially if

1799
01:09:46,631 --> 01:09:48,624
you're not the charming Ted bundy type? You

1800
01:09:48,624 --> 01:09:49,820
know, like how did you get your fucking

1801
01:09:49,820 --> 01:09:52,052
foot in the door? And the answer is

1802
01:09:52,052 --> 01:09:54,046
that long legs didn't have to be present,

1803
01:09:54,379 --> 01:09:56,609
at any of the crime scenes, he just

1804
01:09:56,609 --> 01:09:59,475
made these dolls that were imbued with the

1805
01:09:59,475 --> 01:10:01,068
spirit of Satan. I guess that's what the

1806
01:10:01,227 --> 01:10:02,954
Or is supposed to appear. Maybe at how

1807
01:10:03,395 --> 01:10:06,515
a line influence of some kind, and he

1808
01:10:06,515 --> 01:10:09,155
does not deliver the dolls to people's homes

1809
01:10:09,155 --> 01:10:10,515
because they would tell him to get lost,

1810
01:10:10,755 --> 01:10:11,234
you freak.

1811
01:10:12,128 --> 01:10:15,400
Instead, he has lee's mom do it, and

1812
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:18,673
she shows up in her none attire claims

1813
01:10:18,673 --> 01:10:20,523
to be an emi of the church you

1814
01:10:20,523 --> 01:10:21,874
won some kind of a contest.

1815
01:10:22,590 --> 01:10:24,419
And I talked near the beginning of the

1816
01:10:24,419 --> 01:10:27,362
episode about how long legs favors a certain

1817
01:10:27,362 --> 01:10:29,667
type of family and has a consistent mo.

1818
01:10:30,239 --> 01:10:32,157
Which is 1 of the pleasures of serial

1819
01:10:32,157 --> 01:10:34,814
killer fiction trying to find these patterns and

1820
01:10:34,873 --> 01:10:37,909
thinking like a profile or, pretending your will,

1821
01:10:38,324 --> 01:10:38,824
basically.

1822
01:10:39,363 --> 01:10:41,441
And in this case, he seems to have

1823
01:10:41,441 --> 01:10:41,941
favored

1824
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:43,539
homes and communities

1825
01:10:43,918 --> 01:10:46,716
where people would be receptive to that kind

1826
01:10:46,716 --> 01:10:48,648
of knock on the door. Because I would've

1827
01:10:48,648 --> 01:10:50,884
told that lady to take a hike. You

1828
01:10:50,884 --> 01:10:52,400
know, I it's like, I'm not... Yeah. I

1829
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:53,438
didn't enter my name and then. I don't

1830
01:10:53,438 --> 01:10:55,774
want your weird at all. Yeah. It's

1831
01:10:56,153 --> 01:10:57,030
thanks, but no thanks.

1832
01:10:57,761 --> 01:11:00,223
So that's the through line here, and the

1833
01:11:00,223 --> 01:11:01,676
doll is what induces

1834
01:11:02,050 --> 01:11:05,067
the patriarch to go all Jack Torrance.

1835
01:11:05,638 --> 01:11:07,305
On their loved ones, and all of this

1836
01:11:07,305 --> 01:11:09,553
is conveyed to us. Like I said, pretty

1837
01:11:09,768 --> 01:11:10,268
efficiently

1838
01:11:10,721 --> 01:11:13,421
for how much ground there is to cover.

1839
01:11:14,153 --> 01:11:16,966
And it's just convoluted enough to

1840
01:11:17,422 --> 01:11:18,640
risk being

1841
01:11:19,256 --> 01:11:21,171
information overload, but I I thought it went

1842
01:11:21,171 --> 01:11:24,396
down surprisingly smooth. Yeah. There's a great scene

1843
01:11:24,534 --> 01:11:25,890
near the beginning of the movie that we

1844
01:11:25,890 --> 01:11:27,723
didn't touch on. And I don't know how

1845
01:11:27,803 --> 01:11:30,035
I didn't see this coming because it, I

1846
01:11:30,035 --> 01:11:32,280
guess, because in the moment, it's just played

1847
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:33,707
for laughs, and it's just kind of a

1848
01:11:33,707 --> 01:11:36,031
character beat. Lee is forcibly

1849
01:11:37,117 --> 01:11:40,329
brought to the home of her superior Carter

1850
01:11:40,386 --> 01:11:42,297
because he's too drunk to drive home, and

1851
01:11:42,297 --> 01:11:44,470
this is maybe a ga of his to

1852
01:11:44,528 --> 01:11:47,235
introduce Lee to his family, which he also

1853
01:11:47,235 --> 01:11:49,557
might be doing because He's gonna be in

1854
01:11:49,557 --> 01:11:50,535
the dog house

1855
01:11:51,069 --> 01:11:53,535
otherwise because he's coming home so late, and

1856
01:11:53,535 --> 01:11:54,251
so turned,

1857
01:11:54,967 --> 01:11:57,135
and So as long, you know, if he's

1858
01:11:57,135 --> 01:11:59,686
introducing his wife and daughter to his colleague,

1859
01:12:00,165 --> 01:12:01,840
then his wife can't blow up at adam

1860
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:03,195
or tell him to sleep on the couch

1861
01:12:03,195 --> 01:12:04,733
or whatever. But so

1862
01:12:05,109 --> 01:12:07,834
so his colleague is younger and female. So...

1863
01:12:08,073 --> 01:12:10,007
That's true. That is a bit of a

1864
01:12:10,702 --> 01:12:13,730
an interesting game, but given that context. Yeah.

1865
01:12:13,889 --> 01:12:16,238
He's he's an interesting guy. He's a mess

1866
01:12:16,614 --> 01:12:19,485
contradiction. Like like I was saying earlier, how

1867
01:12:19,485 --> 01:12:20,623
he's the no nonsense

1868
01:12:21,159 --> 01:12:23,813
commanding officer, but also the comic relief character

1869
01:12:24,841 --> 01:12:27,007
does, you know, duality of man, whatever

1870
01:12:28,015 --> 01:12:30,951
to invoke another early army movie? Yes. And

1871
01:12:30,951 --> 01:12:32,618
so this whole scene is pretty funny.

1872
01:12:33,268 --> 01:12:36,212
And Lee has a moment in the daughter's

1873
01:12:36,212 --> 01:12:36,712
bedroom

1874
01:12:37,327 --> 01:12:40,293
where she clearly doesn't wanna be there. And

1875
01:12:40,350 --> 01:12:42,021
it emerges during this scene,

1876
01:12:42,593 --> 01:12:44,426
that the daughter has a birthday coming up,

1877
01:12:44,666 --> 01:12:45,166
and

1878
01:12:45,542 --> 01:12:48,969
birthdays are loaded in this movie. So I

1879
01:12:48,969 --> 01:12:50,497
don't know why that didn't go like,

1880
01:12:51,450 --> 01:12:53,515
you know, like, have sirens and alarm bells

1881
01:12:53,515 --> 01:12:55,342
going off in my head, but it didn't.

1882
01:12:55,580 --> 01:12:57,804
It's good sleigh of hand. I think because

1883
01:12:57,804 --> 01:13:00,679
in the moment, you likely go just wanna

1884
01:13:00,679 --> 01:13:02,292
get out of this awkward

1885
01:13:02,905 --> 01:13:03,405
coworker

1886
01:13:03,859 --> 01:13:06,563
pickle. Yes. And so you're not really hearing

1887
01:13:06,563 --> 01:13:08,885
what the daughter is saying. And then the

1888
01:13:08,885 --> 01:13:11,435
following scene is long legs leaving the letter

1889
01:13:11,435 --> 01:13:13,426
at her home and that for me gave

1890
01:13:13,426 --> 01:13:14,564
me that kind of

1891
01:13:14,939 --> 01:13:17,743
classic horror movie feeling of, like, you were

1892
01:13:17,743 --> 01:13:20,693
just surrounded by other people, other characters and

1893
01:13:20,693 --> 01:13:22,447
you were in the situation where you were

1894
01:13:22,447 --> 01:13:24,838
safer than you are now, and you didn't

1895
01:13:24,838 --> 01:13:26,605
want to be there. And so it almost

1896
01:13:26,605 --> 01:13:28,298
makes you feel guilty or foolish

1897
01:13:28,753 --> 01:13:31,934
for wanting to be alone because now you

1898
01:13:31,934 --> 01:13:34,184
are alone and, u, you're vulnerable.

1899
01:13:34,654 --> 01:13:36,481
Yeah. Like how Marion and psycho,

1900
01:13:36,958 --> 01:13:39,104
wants to get away from that cop that's

1901
01:13:39,104 --> 01:13:41,409
on her tail. And then once she's in

1902
01:13:41,409 --> 01:13:43,317
the shower, you're like, well, you know, I

1903
01:13:43,317 --> 01:13:45,728
it's it's too bad. It's too bad. You

1904
01:13:45,728 --> 01:13:47,326
gave them the slip. You'd be better off

1905
01:13:47,326 --> 01:13:49,723
if you hadn't. It's that kind of... So

1906
01:13:49,723 --> 01:13:51,721
my mind was distracted with all of that

1907
01:13:51,721 --> 01:13:54,131
stuff, and I just didn't g. That the

1908
01:13:54,131 --> 01:13:56,831
little girl's birthday was obviously going to supply

1909
01:13:56,831 --> 01:13:57,783
the movie's climax.

1910
01:13:58,260 --> 01:13:59,689
There's also been a lot of talk about

1911
01:13:59,689 --> 01:14:01,849
how there's a victim that's una unattended 4.

1912
01:14:02,009 --> 01:14:04,881
There's a piece missing from the triangle, the

1913
01:14:04,881 --> 01:14:05,599
inverted triangle.

1914
01:14:06,077 --> 01:14:08,845
So Lee comes to gets a phone call

1915
01:14:09,201 --> 01:14:11,341
I guess from the devil. I don't see

1916
01:14:11,341 --> 01:14:13,797
yeah. I I guess, she's gotten a few

1917
01:14:13,797 --> 01:14:14,193
weird like,

1918
01:14:16,349 --> 01:14:19,221
sort of phone calls. U. That I think

1919
01:14:19,221 --> 01:14:22,733
usually just resolve into normal calls from people

1920
01:14:22,733 --> 01:14:24,663
she would expect phone calls from. But, yeah,

1921
01:14:24,904 --> 01:14:26,901
she gets this call and it's, like, you're

1922
01:14:26,901 --> 01:14:28,199
missing miss Ruby

1923
01:14:28,578 --> 01:14:29,218
birthday party.

1924
01:14:30,016 --> 01:14:30,516
And

1925
01:14:31,135 --> 01:14:34,829
she sort of stumbles it incidentally also, she

1926
01:14:34,829 --> 01:14:37,150
wakes up in the basement of her mother's

1927
01:14:37,150 --> 01:14:39,470
has, which was what was behind the lock

1928
01:14:39,470 --> 01:14:41,585
door and which we quickly

1929
01:14:41,965 --> 01:14:44,545
discover from looking around at all of the

1930
01:14:44,925 --> 01:14:46,465
and seeing how it looks

1931
01:14:46,845 --> 01:14:48,445
exactly the same as it has appeared in

1932
01:14:48,445 --> 01:14:50,771
earlier scenes This is where long legs has

1933
01:14:50,771 --> 01:14:51,805
been hiding all along.

1934
01:14:52,443 --> 01:14:54,751
Yeah, which is great in a lot of

1935
01:14:54,751 --> 01:14:56,899
ways, not the least of which is there's

1936
01:14:56,899 --> 01:14:58,411
a wonderful line of dialogue,

1937
01:14:58,984 --> 01:15:00,024
where right after,

1938
01:15:00,664 --> 01:15:02,204
long legs has been rep.

1939
01:15:03,864 --> 01:15:06,685
Right Lee asks where he is, and

1940
01:15:06,998 --> 01:15:09,222
the lady who gets her brains blown out

1941
01:15:09,222 --> 01:15:11,685
in the car says, he's right under your

1942
01:15:11,685 --> 01:15:13,432
feet. He's right under your feet, and he

1943
01:15:13,432 --> 01:15:15,914
was probably right under her feet. When she

1944
01:15:15,914 --> 01:15:18,072
was talking to her mom, half a movie

1945
01:15:18,072 --> 01:15:21,828
ago, just Yes chills man. Yeah. So she

1946
01:15:21,828 --> 01:15:23,666
lu out of the basement and answers this

1947
01:15:23,666 --> 01:15:25,125
phone call. And then she's

1948
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:29,372
stumbling and clearly still woo from the black

1949
01:15:29,430 --> 01:15:32,863
cloud from the sphere, basically in her doll

1950
01:15:32,863 --> 01:15:33,900
do Gang head.

1951
01:15:34,555 --> 01:15:37,114
She's hurt down the road looking incredibly dish

1952
01:15:37,114 --> 01:15:41,275
she. She's driving long legs murder vehicle, which

1953
01:15:41,275 --> 01:15:43,409
was under a tarp in some kind of

1954
01:15:43,609 --> 01:15:45,519
shed on her mother's property,

1955
01:15:45,996 --> 01:15:48,167
and she starts screaming

1956
01:15:48,622 --> 01:15:50,157
not unlike the

1957
01:15:52,770 --> 01:15:55,466
But yeah, obviously and without that sort of

1958
01:15:55,466 --> 01:15:57,448
high key thing. It's just a yell, but

1959
01:15:57,448 --> 01:15:58,638
it reminds you of that.

1960
01:15:59,288 --> 01:16:01,353
Well, and that plus the fact that she

1961
01:16:01,353 --> 01:16:04,316
is staggering around in a way that's reminiscent

1962
01:16:04,610 --> 01:16:05,110
of

1963
01:16:05,484 --> 01:16:07,947
Jack Nicholson in the shining after he sp

1964
01:16:07,947 --> 01:16:08,582
his a ankle.

1965
01:16:09,073 --> 01:16:11,063
You know, lu with that kind of those

1966
01:16:11,063 --> 01:16:14,109
kind s shoulders makes you think. Is she

1967
01:16:14,325 --> 01:16:16,394
the new long legs? Like, is she going

1968
01:16:16,394 --> 01:16:19,196
to the birthday party to kill everyone there,

1969
01:16:19,594 --> 01:16:21,907
or is she the cavalry? You just don't

1970
01:16:21,907 --> 01:16:25,176
know which. And Yeah. What lives? I was

1971
01:16:25,176 --> 01:16:28,377
leaning more toward the former. Yeah. Up until

1972
01:16:28,377 --> 01:16:31,797
the scene actually plays out, because again, that

1973
01:16:31,797 --> 01:16:35,019
scream is not a good sign. No And

1974
01:16:35,077 --> 01:16:38,030
isn't. She hurdles into the driveway and lu

1975
01:16:38,030 --> 01:16:40,823
out of the driver's seat, and she's got

1976
01:16:40,823 --> 01:16:41,541
her gun out.

1977
01:16:42,195 --> 01:16:44,755
Mh. She knocks on the door rings the

1978
01:16:44,755 --> 01:16:46,914
bell or whatever. And Carter opens the door,

1979
01:16:47,235 --> 01:16:49,735
and he looks perfectly serene

1980
01:16:50,448 --> 01:16:53,246
and I was expecting 5 seconds from then,

1981
01:16:53,485 --> 01:16:55,243
he was gonna see that her gun. She

1982
01:16:55,243 --> 01:16:56,841
didn't have it up, but it was out

1983
01:16:56,841 --> 01:16:58,359
of a h. It was drawn.

1984
01:16:58,773 --> 01:17:00,121
Down by your side. I thought he was

1985
01:17:00,121 --> 01:17:02,024
gonna see that, billy. Yeah. Parker, what the

1986
01:17:02,024 --> 01:17:03,768
fuck are you doing? Yeah. Not the way

1987
01:17:03,768 --> 01:17:05,457
you're supposed to roll up to a kid's

1988
01:17:05,511 --> 01:17:05,988
birthday party.

1989
01:17:06,557 --> 01:17:10,694
And instead, the reason he's all Step husband,

1990
01:17:11,569 --> 01:17:12,047
basically,

1991
01:17:12,683 --> 01:17:14,933
is that Lee's mom is already there

1992
01:17:15,323 --> 01:17:18,971
the infested doll has already been deployed. The

1993
01:17:18,971 --> 01:17:20,955
miss Ruby doll. Yeah. The doll that looks

1994
01:17:20,955 --> 01:17:22,169
like his daughter

1995
01:17:22,477 --> 01:17:26,229
Yeah. And Carter and missus Carter are already

1996
01:17:26,283 --> 01:17:28,687
under the influence of whatever

1997
01:17:29,059 --> 01:17:31,864
satanic forces are play. So... Yeah. And he

1998
01:17:31,864 --> 01:17:33,864
needs to... He starts talking about how he

1999
01:17:33,864 --> 01:17:36,024
needs to go cut the cakes, and then

2000
01:17:36,024 --> 01:17:37,625
he's... That's the final signal.

2001
01:17:38,198 --> 01:17:39,416
Yeah. And he... He's

2002
01:17:40,111 --> 01:17:42,444
very cross at his wife

2003
01:17:42,820 --> 01:17:45,211
in sort of a... Very jack Torrance way.

2004
01:17:45,529 --> 01:17:47,282
I have to say, like, when they're driving

2005
01:17:47,282 --> 01:17:49,372
up to the tell and it's like, see,

2006
01:17:49,533 --> 01:17:51,870
it's okay. He saw it on the television.

2007
01:17:52,809 --> 01:17:54,805
I'm talking about it the the don party.

2008
01:17:55,046 --> 01:17:56,977
Yeah. Think it is. You know, just acting

2009
01:17:56,977 --> 01:17:58,733
like he's headed it up to here with

2010
01:17:58,733 --> 01:18:01,447
this har, his na wife even though she's

2011
01:18:01,447 --> 01:18:03,921
not doing anything to ruffle his feathers.

2012
01:18:04,493 --> 01:18:06,959
No other kids here, no other guests incidentally.

2013
01:18:07,278 --> 01:18:08,868
It's just the 5 of them, the 3

2014
01:18:08,868 --> 01:18:10,778
members of the family, Plus lee and lee's

2015
01:18:10,778 --> 01:18:12,785
mother. At 6 if you count the doll,

2016
01:18:12,945 --> 01:18:15,098
the devil doll. And 7, if you count

2017
01:18:15,098 --> 01:18:16,295
the devil. Yeah.

2018
01:18:19,485 --> 01:18:22,444
And mama and papa go into the kitchen,

2019
01:18:22,681 --> 01:18:25,060
and you get what I referred to a

2020
01:18:25,060 --> 01:18:27,597
million years ago as the Gallo humor laugh

2021
01:18:27,597 --> 01:18:30,399
line in this scene, which is when the

2022
01:18:30,399 --> 01:18:33,039
mother says we'll be right back, and Carter

2023
01:18:33,039 --> 01:18:35,600
says, no. I'll be right back. You'll still

2024
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:36,479
be in the kitchen.

2025
01:18:38,079 --> 01:18:38,295
Yeah

2026
01:18:40,636 --> 01:18:41,613
of jesus,

2027
01:18:43,177 --> 01:18:43,677
which

2028
01:18:44,051 --> 01:18:46,194
true to form, we hear her stabbing her

2029
01:18:46,194 --> 01:18:47,146
mere seconds later.

2030
01:18:47,877 --> 01:18:50,737
And Lee is kind of inefficient just trying

2031
01:18:50,737 --> 01:18:52,485
to work up the nerve to do anything,

2032
01:18:52,723 --> 01:18:56,060
although she is probably fighting the dolls influence.

2033
01:18:56,314 --> 01:18:58,858
At this point. Anyone in that house is

2034
01:18:58,858 --> 01:19:01,958
under the devil's thumb to 1 degree or

2035
01:19:01,958 --> 01:19:04,343
another. Well, she's fighting the influence of A

2036
01:19:04,343 --> 01:19:06,982
doll, whether it's the destroyed 1 of her

2037
01:19:06,982 --> 01:19:09,130
or the new miss Ruby 1. But either

2038
01:19:09,130 --> 01:19:11,061
way, Yeah. She's grappling with

2039
01:19:11,436 --> 01:19:12,311
satanic forces.

2040
01:19:12,884 --> 01:19:16,010
And her mother goes full, missus Bay lock

2041
01:19:16,225 --> 01:19:18,374
here is revealed to be just an out

2042
01:19:18,374 --> 01:19:21,000
and out satan at some point during her

2043
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:23,324
crime spree, she must of cracked and and

2044
01:19:23,324 --> 01:19:24,224
been converted

2045
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:27,311
because what we see of her during the

2046
01:19:27,311 --> 01:19:30,661
montage showing us the whole doll delivery surface

2047
01:19:30,661 --> 01:19:33,079
that she's been doing. She seems shattered

2048
01:19:33,451 --> 01:19:36,066
emotionally and very reluctant. Yeah. And it's just

2049
01:19:36,066 --> 01:19:38,537
something she's doing for her daughter's sake, but

2050
01:19:38,537 --> 01:19:40,686
now she is a true believer, it would

2051
01:19:40,686 --> 01:19:42,994
seem. And we know this because she pulls

2052
01:19:42,994 --> 01:19:44,586
out a crooked black knife,

2053
01:19:45,381 --> 01:19:48,260
which def fits a, a satan nest, a

2054
01:19:48,260 --> 01:19:49,077
devil worship.

2055
01:19:49,850 --> 01:19:52,315
And goes for Lee, but gets shot in

2056
01:19:52,315 --> 01:19:54,700
the head, Lee sc her, and then Lee

2057
01:19:54,700 --> 01:19:55,337
shoots Carter.

2058
01:19:55,989 --> 01:19:57,670
And then Lee goes to shoot the doll,

2059
01:19:57,909 --> 01:20:00,310
but click click click. She's spent,

2060
01:20:00,949 --> 01:20:03,510
and she seems to be rooted to the

2061
01:20:03,510 --> 01:20:03,750
spot.

2062
01:20:04,482 --> 01:20:07,505
And we don't know if now she's going

2063
01:20:07,505 --> 01:20:09,653
to become the devil's instrument if she's gonna

2064
01:20:09,653 --> 01:20:10,153
harm

2065
01:20:10,528 --> 01:20:11,028
Ruby

2066
01:20:11,417 --> 01:20:13,082
We are left on a cliff hang or

2067
01:20:13,082 --> 01:20:15,567
final shot. Like I believe I mentioned earlier

2068
01:20:15,859 --> 01:20:17,153
is long legs

2069
01:20:17,605 --> 01:20:20,002
that could blow the camera kiss. You know,

2070
01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:21,989
and that's the note we go out on.

2071
01:20:23,182 --> 01:20:24,136
Or roll credits.

2072
01:20:25,171 --> 01:20:28,129
Well, I don't think it's necessarily that much

2073
01:20:28,129 --> 01:20:30,282
of a cliff hanger because I I believe

2074
01:20:30,282 --> 01:20:32,753
she says something like let's go Ruby.

2075
01:20:33,311 --> 01:20:36,102
And it doesn't read like she's saying this

2076
01:20:36,102 --> 01:20:38,424
to keep the kid calm and also trying

2077
01:20:38,424 --> 01:20:41,046
to convince herself that everything's okay. She seems

2078
01:20:41,046 --> 01:20:43,190
to believe it that she's going to be

2079
01:20:43,190 --> 01:20:45,198
walking out. I I guess maybe we just

2080
01:20:45,198 --> 01:20:47,856
read that differently. Well, she says it with

2081
01:20:47,915 --> 01:20:51,431
conviction. I just think it's a situation where

2082
01:20:51,431 --> 01:20:54,185
actions speak louder than birds, and she seems

2083
01:20:54,324 --> 01:20:56,085
like the spirit is willing, but the flesh

2084
01:20:56,085 --> 01:20:57,445
is weak. You know, I think that the

2085
01:20:57,445 --> 01:20:59,925
the psychic battle has yet to be the

2086
01:20:59,925 --> 01:21:01,845
outcome of the psychic battle has yet to

2087
01:21:01,845 --> 01:21:03,774
be determined because if she wanted to just

2088
01:21:03,774 --> 01:21:04,731
flee she would have,

2089
01:21:05,529 --> 01:21:08,400
she's been staring down this doll for a

2090
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:09,995
half minute or so. I... Some of it

2091
01:21:09,995 --> 01:21:11,805
is slow mo, making it feel

2092
01:21:12,162 --> 01:21:14,407
longer and and and and more pregnant with

2093
01:21:14,621 --> 01:21:16,207
anticipation. But the you... I I got the

2094
01:21:16,207 --> 01:21:18,508
sense that they were not out of the

2095
01:21:18,508 --> 01:21:20,351
woods and that there was a chance that

2096
01:21:20,351 --> 01:21:23,215
the doll was going to emerge Victorious from

2097
01:21:23,215 --> 01:21:25,601
whatever Psychic tug of war is going on

2098
01:21:25,601 --> 01:21:28,243
there. Right. Well, yeah. I just She is

2099
01:21:28,243 --> 01:21:29,918
rooted to the spot for a long time,

2100
01:21:30,078 --> 01:21:32,653
but I think the amount of time after

2101
01:21:32,870 --> 01:21:34,806
her let's go line

2102
01:21:35,278 --> 01:21:37,584
before the cut to nick cage is short

2103
01:21:37,584 --> 01:21:39,095
enough that I don't think. That's true. It

2104
01:21:39,095 --> 01:21:41,720
it really necessarily says anything in that direction.

2105
01:21:41,974 --> 01:21:45,099
But... Yeah, So pale Satan roll credits and

2106
01:21:45,236 --> 01:21:46,190
more after the break.

2107
01:21:49,149 --> 01:21:49,944
Up out of the sea.

2108
01:21:50,899 --> 01:21:52,649
With 7 heads and 10 horns.

2109
01:21:55,432 --> 01:21:57,197
And on his Horns War 10 crowns.

2110
01:22:01,811 --> 01:22:03,818
On Has was written ask from his name.

2111
01:22:04,615 --> 01:22:05,733
What aren't you telling me?

2112
01:22:08,447 --> 01:22:09,266
He'll kill

2113
01:22:09,724 --> 01:22:10,363
and kill again.

2114
01:22:12,132 --> 01:22:15,158
I know you're not afraid of a little

2115
01:22:15,158 --> 01:22:16,114
bit of dark.

2116
01:22:18,264 --> 01:22:20,095
Because you are the dark.

2117
01:22:23,706 --> 01:22:26,582
Hello, listeners. It's Jim. Here is always during

2118
01:22:26,582 --> 01:22:28,421
the break to tell you some stuff you

2119
01:22:28,421 --> 01:22:29,380
probably already know.

2120
01:22:30,351 --> 01:22:32,662
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2121
01:22:32,662 --> 01:22:36,090
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2122
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2123
01:22:37,618 --> 01:22:39,685
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2124
01:22:40,479 --> 01:22:42,784
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2125
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2126
01:22:45,344 --> 01:22:46,695
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2127
01:22:46,695 --> 01:22:48,682
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2128
01:22:48,682 --> 01:22:50,669
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2129
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2130
01:22:53,212 --> 01:22:54,325
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2131
01:22:55,136 --> 01:22:57,045
And now back to the show.

2132
01:22:59,351 --> 01:23:00,170
You could

2133
01:23:25,449 --> 01:23:25,949
waiting

2134
01:23:35,702 --> 01:23:36,498
And we're back.

2135
01:23:37,295 --> 01:23:39,286
Matt, how about you take things off here?

2136
01:23:39,843 --> 01:23:42,711
Well, much like Lee Har, I don't have

2137
01:23:42,711 --> 01:23:45,039
anything left in the chamber. I don't think.

2138
01:23:46,079 --> 01:23:47,280
I've shot my shots.

2139
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:50,579
I liked it a whole lot. I

2140
01:23:51,039 --> 01:23:54,572
like it so much that I worry that

2141
01:23:54,731 --> 01:23:56,968
I'll wind up cooling off on it and

2142
01:23:56,968 --> 01:23:59,685
come to decide that I was overly abusive.

2143
01:24:00,340 --> 01:24:01,880
But that's not a huge

2144
01:24:02,260 --> 01:24:04,899
concern. And if anything, I might revisit it

2145
01:24:04,899 --> 01:24:06,579
some years down the line and decide I

2146
01:24:06,579 --> 01:24:08,592
like it even more once I see the

2147
01:24:08,592 --> 01:24:10,421
whole shape of the thing, because it does

2148
01:24:10,421 --> 01:24:13,283
have a third act reveal that is a

2149
01:24:13,283 --> 01:24:15,668
little bit like hereditary. You know, I remember

2150
01:24:15,668 --> 01:24:17,435
that movie throwing a lot of people for

2151
01:24:17,435 --> 01:24:19,827
a loop with the hale payment stuff, come

2152
01:24:19,827 --> 01:24:21,501
and sorta of at a left field, so

2153
01:24:21,501 --> 01:24:22,218
it's possible.

2154
01:24:22,936 --> 01:24:25,261
So often in movies like this, there's a

2155
01:24:25,261 --> 01:24:27,402
term that I I wanna say coin, but

2156
01:24:27,402 --> 01:24:28,774
that's too os

2157
01:24:29,304 --> 01:24:31,444
for a a term that only I use,

2158
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:34,644
but there's My favorite horror movies tend to

2159
01:24:34,644 --> 01:24:37,677
belong to what I've dubbed the cinema of

2160
01:24:37,677 --> 01:24:40,470
regular dread. Mh. Like, they don't look now.

2161
01:24:40,804 --> 01:24:44,484
Being the textbook example where a second watch

2162
01:24:44,779 --> 01:24:48,516
makes it more scary, not less because you

2163
01:24:48,516 --> 01:24:49,573
have that doomed

2164
01:24:49,947 --> 01:24:51,177
sense of in

2165
01:24:52,110 --> 01:24:55,078
hanging over it, that almost edi his rex

2166
01:24:55,135 --> 01:24:57,146
kind of self fulfilling prophecy

2167
01:24:57,522 --> 01:24:59,216
sort of thing. It's

2168
01:24:59,591 --> 01:25:02,498
know I just started thinking. That's the sound

2169
01:25:02,556 --> 01:25:03,296
of in.

2170
01:25:10,309 --> 01:25:11,984
I... Am. I... This is this I think

2171
01:25:11,984 --> 01:25:15,094
that this movie belongs pretty squarely in that

2172
01:25:15,094 --> 01:25:17,725
category that I've invented, and that's only I

2173
01:25:17,725 --> 01:25:20,132
I've, you know, put in any real stock.

2174
01:25:20,451 --> 01:25:23,715
Yeah. But... No. No. So maybe my opinion

2175
01:25:23,715 --> 01:25:25,466
of it will wave. It'll might a little

2176
01:25:25,466 --> 01:25:27,909
up. Michael will down, but I'm I'm very

2177
01:25:28,029 --> 01:25:30,735
she. I'm very taken with it, kind of

2178
01:25:30,735 --> 01:25:32,247
over the moon about it, and it's been

2179
01:25:32,247 --> 01:25:33,680
a while since I was able to say

2180
01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:34,180
that

2181
01:25:34,555 --> 01:25:36,783
about 1 of the movies we've covered. You

2182
01:25:36,783 --> 01:25:39,104
know, I've, like, some more than others, but

2183
01:25:39,184 --> 01:25:41,726
I'm often left a little bit cold. I'm

2184
01:25:41,726 --> 01:25:44,850
often course correcting or possibly even over reacting

2185
01:25:45,319 --> 01:25:47,011
to critical consensus

2186
01:25:47,387 --> 01:25:49,956
when rap a claim c

2187
01:25:50,331 --> 01:25:52,479
around this or that movie that I don't

2188
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:54,563
think is all that. I turn into Anton

2189
01:25:54,721 --> 01:25:57,185
Ego a little bit, you know, the food

2190
01:25:57,185 --> 01:25:58,162
critic from Ratatouille.

2191
01:25:58,617 --> 01:26:01,161
Not so this time. I am lending my

2192
01:26:01,161 --> 01:26:03,171
voice to the choir. I think it's

2193
01:26:03,799 --> 01:26:06,027
first rate for all the reasons I've already

2194
01:26:06,027 --> 01:26:06,425
laid out.

2195
01:26:07,220 --> 01:26:11,141
Yeah. It's kind of remarkable how... For someone

2196
01:26:11,278 --> 01:26:14,313
who speaking for myself, for someone who has

2197
01:26:14,313 --> 01:26:19,154
gotten pretty jade about horror films and stuff

2198
01:26:19,154 --> 01:26:21,060
doesn't scare me like it used to and

2199
01:26:21,060 --> 01:26:22,985
so forth And as you said, this isn't

2200
01:26:22,985 --> 01:26:25,378
a movie that's the scariest thing I've ever

2201
01:26:25,378 --> 01:26:28,169
seen or scary all the time at every

2202
01:26:28,169 --> 01:26:31,175
minute. It's but it's gripping consistently. Yes. It's

2203
01:26:31,373 --> 01:26:34,086
tents. Yes. I felt like I was teeter

2204
01:26:34,086 --> 01:26:37,116
on a knife edge, basically the whole movie,

2205
01:26:37,435 --> 01:26:39,270
which is kind of a miracle in and

2206
01:26:39,270 --> 01:26:39,828
of itself.

2207
01:26:40,546 --> 01:26:42,739
It's just so something that I don't

2208
01:26:43,118 --> 01:26:44,417
experience watching

2209
01:26:44,796 --> 01:26:46,015
really any movies

2210
01:26:46,714 --> 01:26:49,431
anymore, basically ever. Yeah. I mean, the last

2211
01:26:49,431 --> 01:26:50,570
movie that properly

2212
01:26:51,044 --> 01:26:54,075
terrified me was a podcast episode, and that

2213
01:26:54,075 --> 01:26:56,229
was skin of a rank. And that was

2214
01:26:56,229 --> 01:26:59,100
just unlike anything else I'd ever seen certainly

2215
01:26:59,100 --> 01:27:00,695
in theaters, maybe not ever.

2216
01:27:01,348 --> 01:27:03,264
But but, yeah. I mean, it was still

2217
01:27:03,264 --> 01:27:05,977
pretty unique even in the whole swath of

2218
01:27:05,977 --> 01:27:08,291
cinema that I've consumed, and it was just

2219
01:27:08,291 --> 01:27:11,676
sort of this Avant ga limbo mood piece

2220
01:27:12,052 --> 01:27:15,159
that was scary because you felt like a

2221
01:27:15,159 --> 01:27:17,644
stranger and a strange land here, I've invoked

2222
01:27:17,644 --> 01:27:19,315
a lot of tropes while I've been doing

2223
01:27:19,315 --> 01:27:20,748
the plot run rundown, but none of them

2224
01:27:20,748 --> 01:27:21,248
feel

2225
01:27:21,703 --> 01:27:24,409
derivative. They fit like an old boot. You

2226
01:27:24,409 --> 01:27:26,001
know, They're just sturdy.

2227
01:27:26,734 --> 01:27:27,532
And snug,

2228
01:27:28,171 --> 01:27:30,645
and they made me feel warm and safe.

2229
01:27:30,804 --> 01:27:32,560
And, like, I just... I don't know. I

2230
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:34,316
don't know. I mean, it's the pig and

2231
01:27:34,316 --> 01:27:36,002
shit thing again. I could I could roll

2232
01:27:36,002 --> 01:27:39,021
around in that shit for another hour, probably,

2233
01:27:39,260 --> 01:27:41,166
I'll spare you because this episode is already

2234
01:27:41,246 --> 01:27:41,746
Ga.

2235
01:27:42,533 --> 01:27:44,292
But it's just impeccable,

2236
01:27:44,850 --> 01:27:48,445
and it feels like a throwback to a

2237
01:27:48,445 --> 01:27:50,614
lot of things that I hold in very

2238
01:27:50,614 --> 01:27:53,005
high regard indeed, but it it puts its

2239
01:27:53,005 --> 01:27:54,758
own spin on it. And it it and

2240
01:27:54,758 --> 01:27:56,272
a lot of the things that it reminded

2241
01:27:56,272 --> 01:27:58,833
me of things I enjoy very much. I

2242
01:27:58,833 --> 01:27:59,731
think that it

2243
01:28:00,344 --> 01:28:02,015
outperform. I mean, I like it. More the

2244
01:28:02,015 --> 01:28:04,659
nexus assist 3, what else I think I

2245
01:28:04,659 --> 01:28:06,420
like it more than season 1 of true

2246
01:28:06,420 --> 01:28:08,500
detective. I don't like it as much as

2247
01:28:08,500 --> 01:28:10,599
silence of the Lambs, but it is an

2248
01:28:10,739 --> 01:28:12,819
extremely good company regardless.

2249
01:28:13,235 --> 01:28:14,755
Don't like it quite as much as 7,

2250
01:28:14,994 --> 01:28:16,595
but those are the 2 or all timers.

2251
01:28:16,835 --> 01:28:18,195
Those are, yeah. Though those 2 are on

2252
01:28:18,275 --> 01:28:21,163
Mount Olympus. They're the Apex. And this movie

2253
01:28:21,163 --> 01:28:23,389
is is really not that far behind in

2254
01:28:23,389 --> 01:28:25,614
the grand scheme of things. So I'm I'm

2255
01:28:25,614 --> 01:28:26,512
sm basically.

2256
01:28:27,125 --> 01:28:29,484
Yeah. We don't have time. I don't think

2257
01:28:29,604 --> 01:28:31,752
and my phone is going to die shortly.

2258
01:28:32,071 --> 01:28:34,003
We don't have time to talk about everything

2259
01:28:34,060 --> 01:28:37,900
that Oz perkins does that generates that feeling

2260
01:28:37,900 --> 01:28:40,300
of nonstop tension. 1 thing that I wanna

2261
01:28:40,300 --> 01:28:40,800
highlight

2262
01:28:41,180 --> 01:28:43,180
is what he does with doorways.

2263
01:28:43,659 --> 01:28:47,344
There are often, open doors when Lee is

2264
01:28:47,344 --> 01:28:49,652
going over the note upon which the ink

2265
01:28:49,652 --> 01:28:51,981
is still wet, there is an open door

2266
01:28:52,037 --> 01:28:54,125
behind her. She's in like a study or

2267
01:28:54,125 --> 01:28:56,677
something at home. And you get this sense

2268
01:28:56,677 --> 01:28:59,389
that at any moment, a long legs might

2269
01:28:59,389 --> 01:29:02,260
step into that door. Well, particularly because he's

2270
01:29:02,260 --> 01:29:03,653
already been in the house

2271
01:29:04,030 --> 01:29:06,503
that night? Yes. The ink is still wet.

2272
01:29:07,301 --> 01:29:07,801
So

2273
01:29:08,177 --> 01:29:09,454
are we sure he left?

2274
01:29:10,012 --> 01:29:12,539
Yeah. Right. Exactly. We... She has not established

2275
01:29:12,579 --> 01:29:13,715
that to my satisfaction.

2276
01:29:15,517 --> 01:29:17,582
I can't believe she's established it to her

2277
01:29:17,582 --> 01:29:18,082
satisfaction.

2278
01:29:18,534 --> 01:29:20,385
Yeah. Right. So like, that doorway

2279
01:29:20,774 --> 01:29:22,921
is invested with a great deal of suspense.

2280
01:29:23,160 --> 01:29:25,649
There's also when they're going through the camera

2281
01:29:25,785 --> 01:29:28,901
farmhouse barn. There's a shot after they open

2282
01:29:28,901 --> 01:29:30,490
the door, and they they both go through

2283
01:29:30,490 --> 01:29:33,432
at Leigh Carter, the camera lingers on the

2284
01:29:33,432 --> 01:29:35,913
open doorway that they left behind them. For

2285
01:29:35,913 --> 01:29:38,067
a long time in a way that just

2286
01:29:38,067 --> 01:29:40,619
creates a sense of... I don't know of

2287
01:29:40,619 --> 01:29:41,917
a better word than vulnerability.

2288
01:29:42,294 --> 01:29:43,969
You know, just like... In in in that

2289
01:29:43,969 --> 01:29:45,266
kind of cla

2290
01:29:45,578 --> 01:29:48,038
in Buffalo bills basement kind of way where

2291
01:29:48,038 --> 01:29:49,943
you gotta watch your 6. You gotta, like,

2292
01:29:50,101 --> 01:29:52,323
check all the corners because the threat could

2293
01:29:52,323 --> 01:29:55,771
come from any direction. There's that training montage,

2294
01:29:56,091 --> 01:29:58,408
somewhere in the middle of that movie where

2295
01:29:58,408 --> 01:29:59,766
she and a bunch of other cadet cassettes

2296
01:29:59,766 --> 01:30:02,577
are in a gym of some kind. And

2297
01:30:02,577 --> 01:30:05,127
she fails some kind of trial. You know,

2298
01:30:05,287 --> 01:30:07,439
what was your mistake, Star? I didn't check

2299
01:30:07,439 --> 01:30:09,032
my blah blah blah. And he goes, that's

2300
01:30:09,032 --> 01:30:10,719
why your dead. You know, and then that

2301
01:30:10,719 --> 01:30:13,262
comes into play. And almost an miraculous dread

2302
01:30:13,262 --> 01:30:15,489
kind of way of foreshadowing kinda really just

2303
01:30:15,489 --> 01:30:17,396
a fancy sc term for foreshadowing.

2304
01:30:17,968 --> 01:30:19,961
Yeah. But I'm prone to be more high

2305
01:30:19,961 --> 01:30:21,497
fa about things

2306
01:30:22,113 --> 01:30:24,025
that I... Well, you... You are the doctor

2307
01:30:24,344 --> 01:30:27,552
Manhattan whole film. The shock doctor Manhattan And,

2308
01:30:29,310 --> 01:30:29,710
to you.

2309
01:30:31,627 --> 01:30:33,305
Does that make me... Am I the shock

2310
01:30:33,305 --> 01:30:35,947
doctor fives or or will 1 of us

2311
01:30:35,947 --> 01:30:37,003
supposed to be

2312
01:30:37,537 --> 01:30:40,240
a buy back, buy back.

2313
01:30:42,307 --> 01:30:43,501
Yeah. I'm I'm good with that.

2314
01:30:45,509 --> 01:30:47,502
I've got the Galaxy brain thing, and I

2315
01:30:47,502 --> 01:30:49,438
guess You're obsessed with revenge

2316
01:30:49,814 --> 01:30:51,271
in some ind

2317
01:30:51,729 --> 01:30:53,814
way. We we can We can add that

2318
01:30:53,814 --> 01:30:55,326
to the lore. It's not too late.

2319
01:30:56,597 --> 01:30:59,859
Yeah. Hundred and 78 episodes in where Jesus.

2320
01:31:00,176 --> 01:31:02,421
We have Lauren now. Didn't realize we were

2321
01:31:02,421 --> 01:31:05,451
closer to 200 than 100. Oh, yeah. By

2322
01:31:05,451 --> 01:31:06,168
a long shot.

2323
01:31:06,726 --> 01:31:09,118
We just did the the Halloween triple feature.

2324
01:31:09,438 --> 01:31:09,916
I thought.

2325
01:31:10,489 --> 01:31:13,436
Well, you've been in Pittsburgh for almost 2

2326
01:31:13,436 --> 01:31:15,507
years, and we did that well before you

2327
01:31:15,507 --> 01:31:17,759
left. So... Right. You are

2328
01:31:18,135 --> 01:31:18,453
Christ.

2329
01:31:19,744 --> 01:31:21,985
Performances as you might expect, And as we've

2330
01:31:21,985 --> 01:31:24,864
kind of alluded to, generally are all pretty

2331
01:31:24,864 --> 01:31:28,005
great Nick cage, obviously, as the title character

2332
01:31:28,064 --> 01:31:30,314
is kind of the headline liner in terms

2333
01:31:30,314 --> 01:31:31,372
of the fireworks

2334
01:31:31,749 --> 01:31:34,301
performance wise. But it's not him just like,

2335
01:31:34,621 --> 01:31:36,854
it's not the cage rage you'd expect. It's

2336
01:31:36,854 --> 01:31:38,130
not him going big.

2337
01:31:38,702 --> 01:31:41,404
The way that he usually does. He he

2338
01:31:41,404 --> 01:31:44,423
is big. The closest he gets is when

2339
01:31:44,423 --> 01:31:45,797
he does the mummy

2340
01:31:46,330 --> 01:31:46,830
daddy

2341
01:31:47,139 --> 01:31:48,253
thing. Even there,

2342
01:31:48,890 --> 01:31:51,994
it's got a weirder twist on it, then

2343
01:31:51,994 --> 01:31:54,722
he usually... And that's using the comparative

2344
01:31:55,033 --> 01:31:57,808
weirder. Yeah. Again, grading on a gauge is

2345
01:31:57,808 --> 01:32:00,187
kinda crazy. Yeah. But if the word you

2346
01:32:00,187 --> 01:32:02,591
would use for a lot of his performances

2347
01:32:02,899 --> 01:32:04,572
the first word to leap to the end

2348
01:32:04,572 --> 01:32:06,484
of your tongue is un unchanged. But this

2349
01:32:06,484 --> 01:32:09,056
makes all of his other un unchanged performances

2350
01:32:09,194 --> 01:32:10,171
look relatively...

2351
01:32:10,707 --> 01:32:12,403
If not s, then

2352
01:32:13,033 --> 01:32:15,271
those are un hinge. This has never had

2353
01:32:15,271 --> 01:32:15,751
a hinge.

2354
01:32:17,908 --> 01:32:19,028
Hinge less. Yeah.

2355
01:32:20,706 --> 01:32:21,605
A hinge

2356
01:32:21,997 --> 01:32:23,691
No. He is. He's he's un

2357
01:32:24,066 --> 01:32:25,737
from reality as we know it.

2358
01:32:26,532 --> 01:32:29,970
Yeah. Mike and rose terrific I think I

2359
01:32:29,970 --> 01:32:32,124
and probably, we have been fans of hers

2360
01:32:32,124 --> 01:32:34,278
for the last 10 years ever since it

2361
01:32:34,278 --> 01:32:34,676
follows.

2362
01:32:35,155 --> 01:32:38,640
We did watcher not too long ago, Probably

2363
01:32:38,760 --> 01:32:40,675
better part of a year ago now, but

2364
01:32:40,675 --> 01:32:42,112
thought she was great in that, and she's...

2365
01:32:42,350 --> 01:32:44,926
Yeah. I don't think ever been better

2366
01:32:45,543 --> 01:32:47,954
than she is in this film. Yeah. I'm

2367
01:32:47,954 --> 01:32:50,354
blatantly realizing because she's such a scream queen,

2368
01:32:50,515 --> 01:32:52,515
but she's been under my radar when I

2369
01:32:52,515 --> 01:32:54,435
watched watch her, I'm sure I praised her

2370
01:32:54,435 --> 01:32:56,440
for, but I... I'm certain I didn't refer

2371
01:32:56,440 --> 01:32:58,031
to her by name. I'm sure that I've

2372
01:32:58,031 --> 01:32:59,384
seen her in a bunch of stuff and

2373
01:32:59,384 --> 01:33:02,169
really not realized it was the same person,

2374
01:33:02,328 --> 01:33:04,493
and not because she's a chameleon just because

2375
01:33:04,493 --> 01:33:06,411
it wasn't a name or a screen persona

2376
01:33:06,411 --> 01:33:08,887
that I had latched onto to really until

2377
01:33:08,887 --> 01:33:10,885
today. But, yeah. She's excellent.

2378
01:33:11,459 --> 01:33:13,534
Very. Again, like I said, it's a Clarice

2379
01:33:13,694 --> 01:33:16,967
Star crossed with Robert Gray smith. This very

2380
01:33:16,967 --> 01:33:20,974
sort of brittle weirdo, but not, again, un

2381
01:33:20,974 --> 01:33:23,692
hinge or hinge list sort of performance. It's

2382
01:33:23,692 --> 01:33:26,968
very controlled, very cramped in a way, but

2383
01:33:26,968 --> 01:33:28,966
it's very good. Well, on the 1 thing

2384
01:33:28,966 --> 01:33:31,376
that it doesn't do that it could have

2385
01:33:31,376 --> 01:33:33,289
and a lot of other filmmakers I think

2386
01:33:33,289 --> 01:33:34,963
would have done to make it feel more

2387
01:33:34,963 --> 01:33:36,957
like cla star, more like sounds of the

2388
01:33:36,957 --> 01:33:39,085
lambs. And especially because it's a period peak

2389
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:40,632
and this is why I think it would

2390
01:33:40,632 --> 01:33:42,218
have been a mistake to go in this

2391
01:33:42,218 --> 01:33:43,885
direction or potentially a distraction.

2392
01:33:44,440 --> 01:33:47,137
Silence of the Lambs is really strong.

2393
01:33:47,789 --> 01:33:50,529
In the way that it depicts the Fbi's

2394
01:33:50,670 --> 01:33:52,349
sexism. There's that great shot of her on

2395
01:33:52,349 --> 01:33:54,909
the elevator with all of the other cadet

2396
01:33:54,909 --> 01:33:56,750
who all have a head or more of

2397
01:33:56,750 --> 01:33:59,232
height on her. Yeah. And she's often just

2398
01:33:59,232 --> 01:34:01,936
kinda, you know, the local yoke cops kinda

2399
01:34:01,936 --> 01:34:03,948
looked down their noses at her, and

2400
01:34:04,259 --> 01:34:06,959
there's nothing but a faint trace of that

2401
01:34:06,959 --> 01:34:09,184
in this movie. You can maybe read it

2402
01:34:09,184 --> 01:34:12,385
into her interactions with the

2403
01:34:13,091 --> 01:34:15,576
guy that she's partnered with who almost immediately

2404
01:34:15,632 --> 01:34:18,173
gets capped because he volunteers to go knock

2405
01:34:18,173 --> 01:34:20,158
on doors and says you wait in the

2406
01:34:20,158 --> 01:34:22,326
car. Basically, and he doesn't take her hunch

2407
01:34:22,326 --> 01:34:24,720
seriously, although you can really hardly fault him

2408
01:34:24,720 --> 01:34:26,237
for that because it is irregular.

2409
01:34:26,716 --> 01:34:29,690
Yeah. But other than that, it doesn't really

2410
01:34:30,002 --> 01:34:32,329
sexism does not color any of her other

2411
01:34:32,782 --> 01:34:34,449
interactions, and I think it would have been

2412
01:34:34,449 --> 01:34:36,832
tempting to do that, but because this is

2413
01:34:36,832 --> 01:34:39,000
a movie set 30 some years in the

2414
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:41,639
past, it might have had a little bit

2415
01:34:41,639 --> 01:34:43,960
of a mad men's season 1 kind of,

2416
01:34:44,119 --> 01:34:46,439
like, look how backward these people were kind

2417
01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:49,577
of thing. Rather than just feeling kind of

2418
01:34:49,712 --> 01:34:51,377
organic the way that it does and silence

2419
01:34:51,377 --> 01:34:53,677
of the lambs. Yeah. I mean, I think

2420
01:34:53,677 --> 01:34:55,239
that it, and I it wouldn't have been

2421
01:34:55,359 --> 01:34:57,109
bad might have been a little distracting.

2422
01:34:57,586 --> 01:34:59,438
Might... It might have just felt

2423
01:35:00,289 --> 01:35:02,038
archaeological is not the right word, But it

2424
01:35:02,038 --> 01:35:03,947
might it might have felt a little bit

2425
01:35:03,947 --> 01:35:06,185
more like, the film was ex, like, oh,

2426
01:35:06,265 --> 01:35:08,088
like, look... Look you're digging through the strat?

2427
01:35:08,326 --> 01:35:09,515
To show you like... Is that what you

2428
01:35:09,515 --> 01:35:11,180
were looking for? Well, no. Because I am

2429
01:35:11,180 --> 01:35:13,177
thinking of, like, like, like a dig site,

2430
01:35:13,337 --> 01:35:14,791
like Oz perkins ex,

2431
01:35:15,244 --> 01:35:17,470
and look, this is how things used to

2432
01:35:17,470 --> 01:35:19,537
be in the Clinton years, you know, with

2433
01:35:19,537 --> 01:35:22,733
his gl mug. On the wall. And logical?

2434
01:35:23,686 --> 01:35:26,175
Maybe. Yeah. That's... That that'll do

2435
01:35:26,708 --> 01:35:28,537
any a word, you know, just open the

2436
01:35:28,537 --> 01:35:29,037
dictionary.

2437
01:35:31,260 --> 01:35:31,579
Good to...

2438
01:35:33,979 --> 01:35:35,819
Yeah. Just from ar work on down, you

2439
01:35:35,819 --> 01:35:38,779
can not even adjectives anymore just all a

2440
01:35:38,779 --> 01:35:39,020
words.

2441
01:35:41,181 --> 01:35:43,487
So so I Don't know. Might have just

2442
01:35:43,487 --> 01:35:45,949
felt a little preach because it... It's a

2443
01:35:45,949 --> 01:35:48,280
period piece and maybe a little hole than

2444
01:35:48,280 --> 01:35:49,800
now for that reason. But then again, maybe

2445
01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:52,380
not. It's just something I was struck by

2446
01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:54,613
because she is such a cla But that's

2447
01:35:54,613 --> 01:35:56,529
really not a feature of the movie at

2448
01:35:56,529 --> 01:35:58,524
all. And it was a pretty prominent feature

2449
01:35:58,524 --> 01:35:59,402
of silence.

2450
01:36:00,119 --> 01:36:03,409
Yeah. And unless we forget Blair underwood, who

2451
01:36:03,409 --> 01:36:06,529
plays Carter is very good as is Alicia

2452
01:36:06,689 --> 01:36:09,864
Wit, who plays lee's mom, all 4 of

2453
01:36:10,065 --> 01:36:11,905
I guess what you might call the main

2454
01:36:11,905 --> 01:36:14,625
characters, the primary. Members of the cast, they're

2455
01:36:14,625 --> 01:36:16,784
all really top notch. Mh.

2456
01:36:17,439 --> 01:36:20,143
Yeah. Strong marks across the board, High marks.

2457
01:36:21,177 --> 01:36:24,255
So in terms of recommendations, I don't have

2458
01:36:24,532 --> 01:36:27,390
any real specific ones. I mean, throw a

2459
01:36:27,390 --> 01:36:30,009
dart anywhere in the duration of this episode,

2460
01:36:30,167 --> 01:36:32,724
and you'll probably find a commend recommendation. I

2461
01:36:32,724 --> 01:36:35,190
mean, we've invoked the big name, silence of

2462
01:36:35,190 --> 01:36:38,213
the Lambs, 7, Matt, you've mentioned cure, cure

2463
01:36:38,213 --> 01:36:41,828
is great. Mh. Assist 3. Ex assist 3

2464
01:36:42,202 --> 01:36:42,702
fallen.

2465
01:36:43,314 --> 01:36:43,712
Mh.

2466
01:36:44,189 --> 01:36:45,618
Don't look now in the

2467
01:36:46,587 --> 01:36:50,243
Dread. Duh, it's catching on. I there's twice

2468
01:36:50,243 --> 01:36:52,389
as many people have now invoked it.

2469
01:36:54,391 --> 01:36:56,697
Mind hunter on the Tv show, end of

2470
01:36:56,697 --> 01:37:00,433
things, x files, twin peaks, true original and

2471
01:37:00,433 --> 01:37:03,869
return, true detective, particularly season 1. The list

2472
01:37:03,869 --> 01:37:05,630
kinda goes on and on and the fact

2473
01:37:05,630 --> 01:37:06,449
that we're

2474
01:37:06,829 --> 01:37:07,329
invoking

2475
01:37:07,869 --> 01:37:08,850
almost exclusively

2476
01:37:09,390 --> 01:37:11,170
stuff that's kind of economically

2477
01:37:11,803 --> 01:37:14,832
regarded. Yeah. In this genre in the sort

2478
01:37:14,832 --> 01:37:17,165
of grimy crime procedural

2479
01:37:17,542 --> 01:37:19,510
vein just goes to show that this is

2480
01:37:19,708 --> 01:37:21,145
this is what we think of this movie

2481
01:37:21,145 --> 01:37:23,218
and we're not just throwing out like, oh,

2482
01:37:23,298 --> 01:37:25,372
yeah. Go watch Copycat cat, which... By the

2483
01:37:25,372 --> 01:37:27,945
way, we both like, But it's K brand

2484
01:37:28,163 --> 01:37:30,962
stuff. We're talking about by comparison. No. Yeah.

2485
01:37:31,120 --> 01:37:33,206
And copy cat. It has not been touched

2486
01:37:33,420 --> 01:37:35,957
by... It doesn't have that demonic touch to

2487
01:37:35,957 --> 01:37:36,830
it. No.

2488
01:37:37,797 --> 01:37:39,942
My gut is telling me to recommend a

2489
01:37:39,942 --> 01:37:41,792
good devil doll

2490
01:37:42,246 --> 01:37:44,867
movie. Okay. But I don't know that I

2491
01:37:44,867 --> 01:37:47,832
mean, I invoke talking Tina, the Twilight zone

2492
01:37:47,832 --> 01:37:50,230
episode at some point. There is a movie

2493
01:37:50,230 --> 01:37:53,747
called Devil doll from the mid sixties that

2494
01:37:53,747 --> 01:37:56,478
is a s good time, but I'm not

2495
01:37:56,478 --> 01:37:57,537
not really that

2496
01:37:57,994 --> 01:38:00,948
invested in that recommendation. I I sign off

2497
01:38:00,948 --> 01:38:03,104
on the whole canon, the whole serial killer

2498
01:38:03,104 --> 01:38:04,700
cannon, that Jim ran down.

2499
01:38:05,273 --> 01:38:06,091
Including Copycat,

2500
01:38:07,260 --> 01:38:09,804
which is, you know, sort of ancillary, but

2501
01:38:09,804 --> 01:38:11,950
is invited to my birthday party.

2502
01:38:13,237 --> 01:38:15,539
Which is not on the fourteenth. No. Thank

2503
01:38:15,539 --> 01:38:17,842
god. There has to be a better devil

2504
01:38:17,842 --> 01:38:18,659
doll movie

2505
01:38:19,033 --> 01:38:20,065
than Devil Doll.

2506
01:38:23,980 --> 01:38:26,051
And I'm not... I'm trying... I'm... What the

2507
01:38:26,051 --> 01:38:27,564
problem I'm running into is that the dolls

2508
01:38:27,564 --> 01:38:29,609
in this movie are not animate. They just

2509
01:38:30,048 --> 01:38:32,682
exert an evil influence, but they sit there

2510
01:38:32,682 --> 01:38:34,677
and mind their business. You know, they keep

2511
01:38:34,677 --> 01:38:37,152
their hands to themselves. It's not like a

2512
01:38:37,152 --> 01:38:37,710
child's play.

2513
01:38:38,443 --> 01:38:40,274
Thing at all. And there's not a lot

2514
01:38:40,274 --> 01:38:42,186
of horror movies in that vein because we

2515
01:38:42,186 --> 01:38:44,337
want our killer dolls to get up off

2516
01:38:44,337 --> 01:38:47,618
their little porcelain Ke and actually do something

2517
01:38:47,618 --> 01:38:48,095
crack heads.

2518
01:38:49,052 --> 01:38:51,043
Bye. I can't shake the feeling that there's

2519
01:38:51,043 --> 01:38:53,194
a good 1 that's escaping me.

2520
01:38:53,911 --> 01:38:56,641
Well, devil all it is then. This episode

2521
01:38:56,641 --> 01:38:57,600
is long enough.

2522
01:38:58,479 --> 01:38:59,758
I'm at J Dc.

2523
01:39:01,116 --> 01:39:02,495
And I'm Jim Smith

2524
01:39:03,204 --> 01:39:04,873
and we are the shock doctors.

2525
01:39:05,668 --> 01:39:06,781
We'll see you later.

2526
01:39:09,641 --> 01:39:11,524
As always, we have some acknowledgement

2527
01:39:12,440 --> 01:39:14,589
Our music was composed by Will Connor.

2528
01:39:15,305 --> 01:39:17,375
Audio over the bumper was taken from long

2529
01:39:17,375 --> 01:39:20,001
legs, official trailer in theaters July twelfth,

2530
01:39:20,717 --> 01:39:22,086
uploaded by Neon.

2531
01:39:22,961 --> 01:39:23,995
All rights reserved.

2532
01:39:25,030 --> 01:39:26,860
Our next episode will be up on Sunday,

2533
01:39:27,019 --> 01:39:29,503
August fourth, and we will be getting back

2534
01:39:29,503 --> 01:39:32,239
around to Russell Crowe latest battle with demons

2535
01:39:32,377 --> 01:39:33,894
in the ex.

2536
01:39:35,092 --> 01:39:35,571
See you then.