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Hello and welcome to another episode of the

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shock doctor's podcast. I'm Jim Smith. I'm Matt

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J.

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We are the shock doctors.

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In this episode, we're going to be discussing

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maxine,

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which is the third and

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final

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installments in the x

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franchise, Tie west's kind of

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surprise

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trilogy or at least for the moment trilogy

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featuring ex

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pearl and now this film.

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Yeah. It's it's an odd duck all told,

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the first 2

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were sort of a package deal

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where he made a movie, and then

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spraying a second on us that was already

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in the can. Right. That nobody knew about,

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and that was kind of exciting. You know,

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It was just, hey, what are you 2

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movies for the price of 1. Obviously, leave

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me a go. The 2 of you are

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on the same wavelength. So let's ride this

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crazy train as far as it'll take us.

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And I like those first 2 movies well

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enough. I had issues with both. We did

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episodes on both. So I don't need to

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re lit too much of that. Some of

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it will be pertinent to today's shock doctor.

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is easily the weakest of the 3. And

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because the first 2 were sort of con

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joined twins in a sense, maxine feels a

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little bit late to the party.

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And a fourth installment in this

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would feel like even more of a Johnny

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come lately, I think.

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I think that's more or less right. It

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is kind of interesting though that this franchise

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is sort of a pair of con condensed

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pairs.

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Yeah. That that... I don't know how you

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would conceptualize that exactly, But I know I

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know exactly what you mean because this is

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really a sequel to x. And pearl is

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not. It's very tangent

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related.

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is about the title character from maxine. She

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probably still maxine Miller in x. I don't

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know that we ever even hear her last

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name in that movie. It's about her and

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this group of friends slash acquaintances, and they're

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shooting this porn, and

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they run a file of

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the

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der elderly couple who owns the ranch where

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they're shooting and pearl, the title character in

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that film is the younger version of the

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old lady from x. The younger and older

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version of that character as well as maxine

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all played by mia Golf. Yes. So there's

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a strange doubling going on a do gang

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thing, which is more of a feature of

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those first 2 movies because per role is

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alive in both of those movies,

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by Mia Got from the age of, 19

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to 90,

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you, give or takes.

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or or do gang in intrigued in maxine,

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which also makes it feel like a little

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bit of an outlier

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however, the 3 of them taken as a

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constitute a kind of like,

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Slash or cloud atlas. It's very weird.

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maybe or just about you know, because because

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they're dead ringer for 1 another and that

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seems significant, but it's hard to say exactly

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how. I mean, I don't know what else

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to call it. That's what I meant when

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I said it's an odd duck we'd if

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we've never had anything else quite like it

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for better or worse.

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business, and I may or may not expand

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on this during the post break, but it's

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stories of 2 women who basically go in

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opposed directions.

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which is a thirst for start that they

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never shut up about.

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results are completely different. They're both essentially going

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for the same thing. Maybe they're going by

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different routes or expect to go by different

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routes but ultimately, they both want to be

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famous. They both want to be stars.

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we know how Pearls story ends

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she mar a guy, and then they just

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kind of get old and d credit it

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on this ranch in Texas.

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I guess, spoilers for maxine, but I don't

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think that's a big deal because the plot

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of the movie isn't really what the movie

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is about. She ends up

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successfully

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becoming a star she transitions from porn

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to straight films. And, yeah. She basically,

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everything's coming up Roses for her. Admittedly, she

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has to go kind of through hell in

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multiple iterations to get there, but she gets

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what she wants.

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And pearl really doesn't.

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No. Pearls journey ends with her

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d decrypt head being

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caved in by the rear wheel of a

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car. Yeah. But but they do want the

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same thing. You know, I'm a star, And

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they want it... So it... It's it's all...

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trait. It's almost their sole personality trait. Right.

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the same, and I don't know if it's

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supposed to be an indictment

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of the era in which pearl lived that

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her life turned out so differently. We're definitely

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getting in into post break

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speculation and analysis now.

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it's it's it's hard to say

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their paths diver

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so dramatically. It's even kind of hard to

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say how pearl and her husband to became

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serial killers.

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people in that movie, meaning pearl, but I

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kind of can't room remember why

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her, like, at her her husband's a soldier,

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he returns from the war. And it was

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shocked to discover a pile of bodies

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and is somehow recruited

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to continue this bloodshed with her

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it... It's all just kind of doesn't hold

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up to scrutiny I find and slash your

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movies don't always need to hold up to

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scrutiny nate. But Right. It... But this is

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AAA strangely

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ambitious project for the fundamentals

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to still just be kind of

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sketchy, you know, there's just a lot of

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question marks sorta of holding up the foundations

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here. Yeah. And that comes to a head

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in in in a few ways, which it

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with with maxine, which I think is the

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most con confounded of the 3 and raises

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a lot of questions about artistic intent that

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were distracting me all through the movie. But

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the movie broadly is about maxine. She goes

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by maxine Min now trying to break into

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legit filmmaking and and be a real actress

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and a star.

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operating in the mid eighties, early to mid

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about because that's sort of bubbling away in

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the background of all of this. There's satanic

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panic stuff going on. It throws a lot

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money, most of it doesn't stick, but we'll

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failed sticking points As we proceed, we open

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with a little pro log pre title sequence

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of a home movie of baby maxine or,

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you know, pre best maxine

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doing a little dance routine for the camera,

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and her father's voice is off camera and

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he's coaching her and talking about how, you

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know, she shouldn't take any gus from anybody.

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All of the a lot of mantra

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movies are content with just 1, but this

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scene this scene generates at least 2, if

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not 3 mantra that we then revisit a

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couple times in some cases. And certainly, by

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by the time the climax rear its ugly

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head. We've heard all of them more than

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whatever it takes. You have to do whatever

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it takes to get ahead in this world.

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This is the philosophy.

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That maxine has later in life applied to

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her pursuit of start.

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deal more

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chased and church going in mind, I think.

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remember... I don't I don't have a single

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detail to hang that impression on. I just

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that it was established that her dad was

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a preacher.

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in x, and I think it I don't

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know if it's even explicitly

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stated that that's her father. I might have

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man mandela myself then. I did double check

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that it was doctor. I honestly don't remember.

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It is the same actor.

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that there's that relationship between them in x.

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same voice and

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when he turns up in this movie, he

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is her father. So that is made explicit

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in this film. But, yeah. He's alarming even

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in this

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ostensibly sort of charming home movie. Yeah. This

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this would be wholesome daddy daughter moment. So

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my issue with all of this, I I

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like this in isolation, the home movie. My

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issue with it is that it is a

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very kind of self conscious like,

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mission statement style opening. Like, here come the

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themes, You know, we're just throwing these mantra

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at you. Right. And I know I only

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invoked 1 of them, but there are others.

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There's 1 that they recite daddy daughter at

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the end of the movie. That's a little

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just too long winded

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to lend itself well to that kind of

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rec. It's like, a whole sentence, You know,

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it's not pi. Maybe you remember it. I

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don't. It can't be chanted at a rally

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affect Yeah. If it did it would peter

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I think it's I refused to accept a

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life. I do not deserve. Right. Something along

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those lines. Like, it would it would it

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would make a couple words

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It would make a t shirt or a

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coffee mug look look slightly cramped, you know,

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a little dirty. Yeah. Just typo it graphically.

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So there's that. And that... That's fine. Here

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are some themes, some mantra something to chew

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on. This is what the movie is about.

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We then get our title drop, and then

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our opening scene

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kind of just doubles down on that beating

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you over the head kind of feeling. It's

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an audition where

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is looking directly into the camera after being

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instructed to do so by a woman across

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a table from her it's evo of the

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failed audition from the end of pearl when

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she has her complete shit fit. And the

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casting directors in destruction to her before she

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starts

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is

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in the trailer verbatim. And so I knew

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this was coming

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and

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it rank

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every time.

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Yeah.

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For reasons that will become obvious when I

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drop this on you, but

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the line is, well, I don't remember how

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it begins, but it ends with the phrases

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and through her trauma addresses the lens direct

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way. They're like, it's here we fucking go.

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That's what I... And obviously trauma. Trauma has

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been a bug bearer of ours for the

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past couple years with horror movies just because

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so trendy.

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But even if that were not the case,

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this would be terribly on the nose. Well,

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yes. It's also irritating

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because Ty west

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seems to have on his mind and stylist

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statistically

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indicates he has on his mind something

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seed

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and pulp, basically

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at every turn at all times than the

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typical

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a 24,

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and it's il

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trauma horror. I mean, it's not just 08:24.

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It's regular studio, horror films. Too now. But

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it started out in the sort of more

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elevated horror and then per down into shit,

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like, imagine it Mary. No. That phrase elevated

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horror used to make you... We used to

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trigger your gag reflex. I hate that we've

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become numb to it now. Yeah. It's annoying,

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but it's it's

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pit enough. It's... Yeah. No. And it it

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yeah. It's an umbrella that a lot of

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horror movies are are clustered under nowadays even

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studio fair like you were saying?

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Yeah. So it's frustrating

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even if he wants to dabble in trauma

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and obviously,

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maxine

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had a traumatic life, even if we don't

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talk about her childhood,

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obviously, the events of x.

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Count.

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Yes. They're they were quite traumatic. But the

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fact that he's going to do his film

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in it to the extent that the film

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opens

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with someone literally

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saying the word trauma out loud

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and instructing her to make eye contact with

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the camera which she does within the the

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film grammar of the movie we're watching.

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The whole thing just kind of resembles itself

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before your very eyes. Man, stick to the

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pulp. I want the pulp. Well, that's the

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thing the whole thing. It makes the

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ja

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diploma pest thing, that the movie is doing.

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The eighties sleeves

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feel

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very surface level. It's only skin deep because

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the beating heart of the thing is

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20 twenties horror.

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You know, that is that trendy trauma thing.

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Which is the the same issue. I don't

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know that I articulated it exactly same way,

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but it's the same issue I had with

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last night in Soho.

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And at least there, it was a conscious

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subversion of ja tropes, you know, we're gonna

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do a yellow, but it's gonna have a

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conscience or something. I don't... I mean, I

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didn't like that movie. I know you didn't

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either. We an episode on that 1 too.

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But Yeah I was I was reminded of

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it all too often and watching Maxine.

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So because this comes right on the heels,

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of the home movie thing. You do just

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kinda feel like you're being cl with the

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with the movie's mission statement with its artistic

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intent It's like when you go to a

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gallery. 1 of those

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museum shows where the artist

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statement

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next to the piece. It'll be a very

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cryptic piece of painting a photograph or whatever

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and then the artist statements will be, like,

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3 or 4 pairs graphs long, and you're

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just, like, ma'am, let it speak for itself.

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You don't... This is suffocating. I don't... III...

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That's something. And at least there, it's out

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over the frame. In our literal sense. You

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can just choose not to read the plaque

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mounted alongside of the artwork, whatever it may

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be. But here it's into rated into the

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work itself and is impossible to ignore. It

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is extremely on the nose. It feels as

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on the nose as

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Kevin Bacon spends the second half of this

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movie sporting, like a Chinatown style nose bandage

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and that's how I felt. After these opening

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2 scenes were done cl me, you know,

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right, little ease up I got it. And

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in between them, they sandwich which a Betty

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Davis quote, which accompanies the title drop if

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I remember. Right? It's something about how you

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have to be monstrous in order to get

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ahead in the industry. And so Yeah, you're

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you're not a star until you become a

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monster or something Right So it's a triple

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threat. It's a it's a it's a fucking

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hat trick. Of just, you know,

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aggressive

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messaging.

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Messaging. Thank you, and post.

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She delivers a monologue

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directly into the camera as instructed and does

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not wow them seemingly, but does not throw

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a complete fit about it, the way that

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her

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spiritual predecessor

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did in pearl

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she winds up getting a different part in

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a different horror movie. Her agent gives her

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a call. Wait wait. Or is it the

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same 1? No. It's the same 1. She

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got. She got the gig.

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Okay. I could... Well, it doesn't matter. I

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might have been copy pasting the ending of

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Pearl in their... III read there...

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Yeah. Because Elizabeth Dub, who plays the director

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of the film that she ends up being

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in is in the cast Oh, that's right.

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So the night stalker is pro the streets

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by night and is up to no good,

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and that's... We are reminded by news reports

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every 10 minutes on 7 minutes. Yeah. We're

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never permitted to forget that he's out there,

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but we know that he's just a red

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herring

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because there's is sort of a little bit

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of a wannabe palm seeing in a peep

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show.

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Where we know that we're inhabit a killer

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Po.

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I don't know if there was heavy breathing

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or if I was just imagining it, but

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there's, you know, The guys, like, loudly

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flexing

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his leather glove hands. Yes. His his black

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yellow leather. Yeah this So that's breathing of

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a kind.

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So it's it's how r gel killers.

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That's exactly.

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They talk with their hands and breathe with

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them too.

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So he is is is getting very v

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watching this nude or or semi nude woman

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g rating on the other side of this

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peep hole. Well, it's not just any woman

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it's maxine

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because okay.

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She is constantly on the grind. It would

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seem. She... Well, that's why I thought that

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she was trying out for multiple horror movies

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because she's moon moonlight. No. I mean, she's

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She's got a scene early on, I think,

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immediately after the

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audition where she drives up to this kind

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of ding looking strip club called the landing

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strip, and she's walking all the way through

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the club into the kitchen and all this

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stuff. And for first I thought, like, she'd

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been doing porn for 7 or 8 years

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is she also stripping,

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and then it turns out they shoot porn

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in the back of the building. So... Right.

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She's going to the porn set, and she

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wraps up there and then goes over the

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peep show and clocks in over there.

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So she's just on her grind, I guess.

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Right. So I I forgot that Elizabeth D

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was sitting in on that audition. I didn't

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recognize. I thought with the deck time she

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shows up was her first appearance. So I

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was just asleep at the wheel there.

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But it does seem like, you know, I

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thought that the takeaway was just, hey, you

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win some you lose some because she is

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non nonstop hustling. Well, to be fair, I

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think when she gets the phone call from

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Gia carlos Esp, who plays her lawyer slash

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agent.

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He gives her bad news good news. And

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she, like, doesn't get this music video that

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she was supposed to be in. But then

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she does get the part. I think okay.

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Vicky movie, And I think... My brand latched

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onto to the... That is exactly what happened.

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My brand latched onto to the wrong

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detail of that phone call. So I think

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because of all this Richard Ramirez chatter that

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we are meant to think that we're inhabit

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that there... At least that there's a chance

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that we're inhabit his Poe

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when the eyes of the killer thing is

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happening.

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But then we see the yellow gloves

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and

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right away, we figure out. Okay. This is

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not our guy. So from that point on,

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all of the night stalker stuff is just

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a smokes screen. You know? It's just there.

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At best it's... It's it's it's like set

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dressing. Well, it's it's set dressing and at

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least early on, maybe it's confusing the cops.

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Because this guy our gl guy, the actual

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villain of this film who is not the

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night stalker

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does start dropping bodies

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while he's kind of pursuing magazine.

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And at first the cops

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think, hey, maybe this... These are more night

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stalker victims.

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So right. But even that part of it

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doesn't last very long. The detectives seemed to

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cotton on pretty to the idea, hey,

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this is somebody else. Right. And if some

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of the rank and file cops. So, like,

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hey, you think this could be another night

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stalker?

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No.

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Yeah. I so it doesn't... No. I meant.

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I agree. It doesn't even appear to muddy

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the water that much or for very long.

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So maxine is talking to a fellow sex

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worker friend of hers, and the 2 of

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them part ways, and the next time we

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see this other lady. She's a dead corpse.

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Yeah. She's... Hal does not get a lot

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of screen time in the snow.

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I was expecting her. She's got 2 scenes,

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basically. She's got this scene with me a

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got, then it cuts to a scene immediately

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afterwards shot on video. That's found footage.

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Of a guy walking into this room and

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opening this closet, and there's 2 women in

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there. 1 of them is Maxi Costa from

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the porn near the beginning of the movie,

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and then the other one's hal, and they're

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both tied up in the closet with gag

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on and and blind folds.

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Would

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And then she's kind of let around blind

538
00:21:18,636 --> 00:21:20,712
folded, and it seems a little bit eyes

539
00:21:20,712 --> 00:21:22,787
wide shut, like, there's some kind of, you

540
00:21:22,787 --> 00:21:24,558
know, it's not it's not a alone killer.

541
00:21:24,797 --> 00:21:27,928
There's some cult activity happening here. And then

542
00:21:27,986 --> 00:21:31,015
her demise is alight by a burst of

543
00:21:31,015 --> 00:21:31,993
kind of d

544
00:21:32,783 --> 00:21:35,168
static that fills the screen, so we don't

545
00:21:35,168 --> 00:21:37,553
actually see what happens to her, which I

546
00:21:37,553 --> 00:21:40,416
thought was was weird. Weirdly tasteful.

547
00:21:40,748 --> 00:21:42,914
For what this movie is going for, and

548
00:21:43,365 --> 00:21:46,696
especially weird given what it is immediately preceded

549
00:21:46,696 --> 00:21:48,465
by, which is the most graphic

550
00:21:48,932 --> 00:21:51,240
slang in the entire movie, and it happens

551
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:52,433
at Maxine hands.

552
00:21:53,229 --> 00:21:55,695
She is coming home after she and House

553
00:21:55,695 --> 00:21:58,011
have parted ways on the street, and she

554
00:21:58,011 --> 00:22:00,073
winds up in a dead end alley. There's

555
00:22:00,073 --> 00:22:02,874
a gate that's locked, and she's cornered

556
00:22:03,184 --> 00:22:06,775
by this guy. Buster Keaton in person or

557
00:22:06,775 --> 00:22:09,807
a really shitty buster keaton. I I didn't

558
00:22:09,807 --> 00:22:11,893
know who he was supposed to be. At

559
00:22:11,893 --> 00:22:13,746
first, she has to call him buster

560
00:22:14,121 --> 00:22:15,950
for me to do who he's meant to

561
00:22:15,950 --> 00:22:17,643
be earlier. We got a montage

562
00:22:18,114 --> 00:22:20,431
with some split screen action, which is the

563
00:22:20,431 --> 00:22:21,470
sort of thing that he did a lot

564
00:22:21,470 --> 00:22:22,748
of x Ty west,

565
00:22:23,388 --> 00:22:25,406
where we see a chaplain imp

566
00:22:25,959 --> 00:22:28,263
and wonder woman, I think. I think that's

567
00:22:28,263 --> 00:22:31,442
what clue me into it because this buster

568
00:22:31,601 --> 00:22:34,565
Keaton guy shows up during that montage.

569
00:22:35,274 --> 00:22:37,511
And having seen Chaplain before that is like,

570
00:22:38,070 --> 00:22:40,467
oh, okay. I guess this guy's buster Keaton.

571
00:22:40,627 --> 00:22:42,305
So when he shows up again, I'm like,

572
00:22:42,638 --> 00:22:45,500
Yeah. Okay. So that's buster Keaton. So for

573
00:22:45,500 --> 00:22:48,602
me, when she calls him buster, that was

574
00:22:48,602 --> 00:22:50,431
almost like a poke in the eye like

575
00:22:50,431 --> 00:22:51,090
it Yeah

576
00:22:51,624 --> 00:22:54,904
It it's buster Keaton, now you've characterized this

577
00:22:54,904 --> 00:22:56,817
as a slang, not to rush through it,

578
00:22:56,976 --> 00:22:59,900
but basically, he pulls a knife, she acts

579
00:23:00,099 --> 00:23:01,859
panicked, and then lets him get close and

580
00:23:01,859 --> 00:23:02,980
then pulls her gun,

581
00:23:03,619 --> 00:23:04,680
makes him strip

582
00:23:05,059 --> 00:23:06,980
makes him suck on the end of her

583
00:23:06,980 --> 00:23:09,869
gun, and then when she gets him face

584
00:23:09,869 --> 00:23:11,623
down ass up, naked on the ground,

585
00:23:12,261 --> 00:23:15,130
she mentions that the last person who tried

586
00:23:15,130 --> 00:23:18,096
to hurt her or killer she squashed her

587
00:23:18,096 --> 00:23:21,684
head. This time she just fatally injure his

588
00:23:21,684 --> 00:23:22,003
balls.

589
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:24,954
Fatal to the balls, but I don't think

590
00:23:24,954 --> 00:23:26,230
to him necessarily.

591
00:23:26,804 --> 00:23:26,964
Yeah.

592
00:23:28,242 --> 00:23:29,840
Right. I mean, no The balls are not

593
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,116
To his potential off offspring. Yeah. And it's

594
00:23:33,116 --> 00:23:34,990
it's very in your face very

595
00:23:35,289 --> 00:23:35,529
antichrist.

596
00:23:36,170 --> 00:23:38,730
It's very... You know, it's it's gucci. And

597
00:23:38,730 --> 00:23:41,289
you get right between the man's thighs as

598
00:23:41,289 --> 00:23:43,450
he's, you know, yeah. As his manhood is

599
00:23:43,450 --> 00:23:43,930
obliterated.

600
00:23:44,264 --> 00:23:46,815
And I'm more than 2 mines about it

601
00:23:46,815 --> 00:23:49,126
because I'm 6 minds about.

602
00:23:50,242 --> 00:23:52,369
We've got our best minds working on this

603
00:23:53,765 --> 00:23:56,236
that... And we we still have not puzzled

604
00:23:56,236 --> 00:23:59,425
out how we feel. So I remember complaining

605
00:23:59,425 --> 00:24:00,802
when we reviewed x

606
00:24:01,193 --> 00:24:04,693
that pearls demise was weak sauce. And now

607
00:24:04,693 --> 00:24:06,125
there are a lot of reasons I felt

608
00:24:06,125 --> 00:24:08,296
that way. Part of it was to do

609
00:24:08,511 --> 00:24:09,648
with the movies

610
00:24:10,039 --> 00:24:13,316
cold open where cops discover something in the

611
00:24:13,316 --> 00:24:16,273
basement and they're like, mother of god. And

612
00:24:16,273 --> 00:24:18,830
you... And you and you expect what they're

613
00:24:18,830 --> 00:24:21,337
looking at which you're not shown to be

614
00:24:21,395 --> 00:24:23,785
something that trans transpired during the events of

615
00:24:23,785 --> 00:24:25,777
the movie, but it isn't. It's old the

616
00:24:25,777 --> 00:24:29,050
news. It like some previous victim that pre

617
00:24:29,050 --> 00:24:30,798
dates the events of the movie.

618
00:24:31,513 --> 00:24:33,975
You know, the when maxine and her and

619
00:24:33,975 --> 00:24:36,174
her crew get to the murder barn, that

620
00:24:36,375 --> 00:24:38,455
woman is already cold, and that's what the

621
00:24:38,455 --> 00:24:39,335
cop is looking at.

622
00:24:39,975 --> 00:24:42,134
And so that felt like a terrible cheat

623
00:24:42,134 --> 00:24:43,434
to me. And so I wanted

624
00:24:44,145 --> 00:24:48,456
pearl to linger long enough to do something

625
00:24:48,511 --> 00:24:50,837
to create some g tableau

626
00:24:51,370 --> 00:24:53,133
that the cop could look at. And godmother

627
00:24:53,133 --> 00:24:55,525
mother of God. Because I I just thought

628
00:24:55,525 --> 00:24:58,257
that backing up over her head was horribly

629
00:24:58,394 --> 00:24:58,894
un

630
00:24:59,510 --> 00:25:00,786
and a missed opportunity.

631
00:25:01,517 --> 00:25:03,446
So vaccine invoke

632
00:25:03,820 --> 00:25:06,757
that death, which I found under Well right

633
00:25:06,757 --> 00:25:07,257
before

634
00:25:08,106 --> 00:25:09,035
administering this

635
00:25:09,394 --> 00:25:10,533
horrible cuda

636
00:25:11,791 --> 00:25:14,347
ra to this guy's junk, and it's way

637
00:25:14,347 --> 00:25:17,076
more hardcore than anything in ad anything in

638
00:25:17,076 --> 00:25:19,788
pearl, anything in the rest of this movie,

639
00:25:20,187 --> 00:25:22,022
if you were like, plotting it on a

640
00:25:22,022 --> 00:25:25,053
graph. It would just be this insane spike

641
00:25:25,053 --> 00:25:25,850
out of nowhere.

642
00:25:26,344 --> 00:25:28,359
And then we get back to baseline.

643
00:25:29,215 --> 00:25:32,246
Yeah. And it's... Again, just circling back to

644
00:25:32,246 --> 00:25:34,421
the hal thing, you expect

645
00:25:34,798 --> 00:25:35,856
she's not known

646
00:25:36,248 --> 00:25:38,476
as an actress, primarily. She's been in a

647
00:25:38,476 --> 00:25:42,317
couple of things. But being this relatively major

648
00:25:42,453 --> 00:25:42,953
celebrity

649
00:25:43,343 --> 00:25:46,372
you figure either, she's going to have a

650
00:25:46,372 --> 00:25:48,706
supporting role of some size

651
00:25:49,083 --> 00:25:52,367
in terms of screen time and plot relevance,

652
00:25:52,926 --> 00:25:55,342
or she's going to have something

653
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:56,997
spectacular happen to her.

654
00:25:57,716 --> 00:25:59,631
Since you get 1 scene, and then the

655
00:25:59,631 --> 00:26:00,371
next scene

656
00:26:00,684 --> 00:26:03,005
She is clearly about to be murdered. You

657
00:26:03,005 --> 00:26:05,404
expect big things out of that murder set

658
00:26:05,404 --> 00:26:07,804
piece. You don't see it happen at all,

659
00:26:08,285 --> 00:26:09,025
and then

660
00:26:09,498 --> 00:26:12,847
when she's found, she's just a regular floater

661
00:26:12,847 --> 00:26:15,080
that's got a pen branded honor.

662
00:26:15,718 --> 00:26:17,472
Yeah. And it... It's all just kind of

663
00:26:17,472 --> 00:26:19,480
under overwhelming. In that. Well, I I have

664
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,508
to assume that the eli illusion there that

665
00:26:22,508 --> 00:26:24,898
what I called the Dam amir burst of

666
00:26:24,898 --> 00:26:28,220
static that that that spares us her fate

667
00:26:28,499 --> 00:26:30,652
isn't tact. I mean, maybe it is. I

668
00:26:30,652 --> 00:26:32,805
don't know. But I I my my thought

669
00:26:32,805 --> 00:26:35,676
was that he's just trying to conceal who

670
00:26:35,676 --> 00:26:39,437
done it, which makes me worry that he,

671
00:26:39,596 --> 00:26:42,385
the director the writer director thinks that the

672
00:26:42,385 --> 00:26:42,885
mystery

673
00:26:43,341 --> 00:26:46,208
element here is much more compelling than it

674
00:26:46,208 --> 00:26:46,766
actually is.

675
00:26:47,497 --> 00:26:49,028
I don't think we would lose anything

676
00:26:49,481 --> 00:26:51,226
if we saw that she was done in

677
00:26:51,226 --> 00:26:52,972
by a cult. We all... I we've already

678
00:26:52,972 --> 00:26:55,512
seen enough to kind of put that together.

679
00:26:56,003 --> 00:26:57,356
Don't know what more we could have seen

680
00:26:57,356 --> 00:26:59,424
that would have given the game away, other

681
00:26:59,424 --> 00:27:01,492
than, I guess, the identity of the head

682
00:27:01,492 --> 00:27:04,534
hon, which I guess understandable you would wanna

683
00:27:04,534 --> 00:27:07,486
save for the third act. But cult wear

684
00:27:07,486 --> 00:27:10,197
masks and hoods, you know, it's that's easy.

685
00:27:10,436 --> 00:27:12,590
That's the easiest thing in the world. The

686
00:27:12,590 --> 00:27:13,719
guy from the peep show,

687
00:27:14,354 --> 00:27:16,818
recur multiple times usually in the car with

688
00:27:16,977 --> 00:27:20,077
Kevin Bacon and I'm assuming that's her dad.

689
00:27:20,569 --> 00:27:24,016
All along. He basically admits as much. So

690
00:27:24,233 --> 00:27:26,942
you could have him kill Hal while wearing

691
00:27:26,942 --> 00:27:28,694
the same get up. We don't have to

692
00:27:28,694 --> 00:27:29,672
see his face

693
00:27:29,984 --> 00:27:32,224
we'll just know, like, okay. This is the

694
00:27:32,224 --> 00:27:34,785
guy who's been following maxine, which we would

695
00:27:34,785 --> 00:27:37,684
assume anyway, and we could see a real

696
00:27:37,919 --> 00:27:40,468
opera automatic murder set piece if Ty West

697
00:27:40,468 --> 00:27:43,735
wanted it, and frankly, he should have wanted

698
00:27:43,735 --> 00:27:46,705
it. I... I'm inclined to agree. I wonder

699
00:27:46,763 --> 00:27:49,991
if there's a would be feminist

700
00:27:50,688 --> 00:27:52,923
subversion happening here we're... Yeah. I'm gonna show

701
00:27:52,923 --> 00:27:54,621
you maxine ob

702
00:27:55,079 --> 00:27:57,966
this guy's crotch, but I'm not gonna show

703
00:27:57,966 --> 00:28:00,675
you Hal z getting gutted like a pig

704
00:28:00,675 --> 00:28:02,667
or whatever, You know, And and. I mean,

705
00:28:03,066 --> 00:28:05,152
there is that, and there's the fact that

706
00:28:05,152 --> 00:28:06,824
this is jumping ahead a little bit, but

707
00:28:06,824 --> 00:28:08,757
maxine has a buddy

708
00:28:09,132 --> 00:28:10,349
who operates

709
00:28:10,724 --> 00:28:12,578
a video store who

710
00:28:12,969 --> 00:28:15,919
ends up getting murdered by the guy who

711
00:28:15,919 --> 00:28:17,832
we find out is her dad. And he

712
00:28:17,832 --> 00:28:19,209
gets a fairly

713
00:28:19,905 --> 00:28:20,405
g

714
00:28:20,782 --> 00:28:22,869
death sequence Know, you gets, Yeah. It's cut

715
00:28:22,869 --> 00:28:24,303
on the back of the neck and we

716
00:28:24,303 --> 00:28:26,693
see some gucci stuff going on, and he

717
00:28:26,693 --> 00:28:29,574
you get slashed down across his face splits

718
00:28:29,574 --> 00:28:31,797
1 of his eyes open. Mh. He tries

719
00:28:31,797 --> 00:28:33,623
to use. He's got a plaster cast on

720
00:28:33,623 --> 00:28:35,211
1 arm that he tries to use to

721
00:28:35,211 --> 00:28:36,958
defend himself that kinda made me sit up

722
00:28:36,958 --> 00:28:39,523
and pay attention. Because it did a pretty

723
00:28:39,523 --> 00:28:41,999
good job of conveying a sense of his

724
00:28:41,999 --> 00:28:45,529
resourceful and desperation in those final moments. You

725
00:28:45,529 --> 00:28:48,501
know. I'm gonna use an already wounded arm

726
00:28:48,719 --> 00:28:50,793
to train an el ditch effort to get

727
00:28:50,793 --> 00:28:52,946
away from this Man act. But then again,

728
00:28:53,186 --> 00:28:54,781
near the end of the movie, a woman

729
00:28:54,781 --> 00:28:57,427
does turn up in pieces inside of a

730
00:28:57,427 --> 00:28:58,884
suit suitcase. So

731
00:28:59,340 --> 00:29:00,775
I mean, the fact that that wasn't shown

732
00:29:00,775 --> 00:29:04,457
on screen, I guess still potentially preserves what

733
00:29:04,457 --> 00:29:06,528
could be as you're describing a a sort

734
00:29:06,528 --> 00:29:08,939
of feminist or pseudo feminist

735
00:29:09,634 --> 00:29:10,134
inversion

736
00:29:10,510 --> 00:29:13,952
where we see the men get graphically butcher

737
00:29:13,952 --> 00:29:17,384
on screen and whenever women die, it's kind

738
00:29:17,384 --> 00:29:18,422
of off to the side.

739
00:29:19,061 --> 00:29:21,296
Then again, I don't know. I mean, classic

740
00:29:21,296 --> 00:29:21,796
slash

741
00:29:22,424 --> 00:29:25,594
men and women both die. And, yeah, it's

742
00:29:25,594 --> 00:29:27,678
probably a little bit disproportionately.

743
00:29:28,288 --> 00:29:28,788
Women

744
00:29:29,334 --> 00:29:32,759
and certain disproportionately top list when... And that's

745
00:29:32,759 --> 00:29:34,989
what I was about to say. Certainly on

746
00:29:34,989 --> 00:29:37,799
nudity scale, women were disproportionately.

747
00:29:38,669 --> 00:29:41,066
Featured as opposed to men. But at the

748
00:29:41,066 --> 00:29:41,785
end of the day,

749
00:29:42,344 --> 00:29:45,355
setting the nudity part aside, the level of

750
00:29:45,791 --> 00:29:48,356
gore in male and female deaths

751
00:29:48,729 --> 00:29:51,056
in slash films of the eighties

752
00:29:52,064 --> 00:29:54,386
pretty similar. I would say. Yeah. I mean,

753
00:29:54,625 --> 00:29:57,437
Case point, Kevin Bacon has maybe the ne

754
00:29:57,654 --> 00:29:59,727
death in the original friday of the thirteenth.

755
00:29:59,966 --> 00:30:02,452
However, he does not hang hog. In that

756
00:30:02,452 --> 00:30:03,884
movie. For that, you have to go to

757
00:30:03,884 --> 00:30:04,520
wild things.

758
00:30:06,747 --> 00:30:09,611
And stream of the devil, and he shall

759
00:30:09,611 --> 00:30:12,814
appear because who do we meet next? But

760
00:30:12,814 --> 00:30:16,801
a s private eye played by Kevin Bacon

761
00:30:16,801 --> 00:30:19,593
with a voice that made me think that

762
00:30:19,593 --> 00:30:21,997
somebody told him that this was a sequel

763
00:30:21,997 --> 00:30:24,621
to Jfk k. You know? He's got that

764
00:30:24,621 --> 00:30:27,484
that that southern draw that he turns on

765
00:30:27,484 --> 00:30:29,790
occasionally. I just watched my dog skip for

766
00:30:29,790 --> 00:30:31,954
movie by May. Same voice in that 1.

767
00:30:32,193 --> 00:30:33,468
Now that's the voice.

768
00:30:34,185 --> 00:30:36,257
I would say 80 to 90 percent of

769
00:30:36,257 --> 00:30:37,952
the time, but then the remaining

770
00:30:38,502 --> 00:30:41,051
10 or 20 percent. He he like... He

771
00:30:41,051 --> 00:30:43,999
just very occasionally turns into Wolf man jack,

772
00:30:44,556 --> 00:30:47,127
you know, or it's alrighty. There

773
00:30:48,154 --> 00:30:50,302
just gets, like, way ras beer and he

774
00:30:50,302 --> 00:30:52,052
curtains turns into almost like, more of a

775
00:30:52,052 --> 00:30:54,143
black scent, almost more of a jazz.

776
00:30:54,836 --> 00:30:56,682
Kind of a thing. You got the curves

777
00:30:56,682 --> 00:30:58,198
baby. I got the angles.

778
00:31:01,547 --> 00:31:04,497
And it it's it his first scene is

779
00:31:04,497 --> 00:31:07,218
like that. And the first line of dialogue

780
00:31:07,218 --> 00:31:09,206
that he has is delivered in that cadence,

781
00:31:09,604 --> 00:31:11,274
and I thought, oh, wow. We are in

782
00:31:11,274 --> 00:31:13,262
for a wild ride. And then the next

783
00:31:13,262 --> 00:31:15,664
time he showed up, it was just was

784
00:31:15,664 --> 00:31:17,502
back to Jfk, and I thought, Oh, it

785
00:31:17,502 --> 00:31:19,980
was back never mind. You know, Jan cra

786
00:31:19,980 --> 00:31:22,617
dad done at up our flag. Yeah. Price.

787
00:31:26,302 --> 00:31:27,893
You don't know how the world works, mister

788
00:31:28,053 --> 00:31:29,962
Garrison because you never been fucked in the

789
00:31:29,962 --> 00:31:30,360
ass.

790
00:31:34,752 --> 00:31:36,508
I was like, okay. I know this Kevin

791
00:31:36,508 --> 00:31:38,183
bacon. I maybe do it, like 1 of

792
00:31:38,183 --> 00:31:40,018
those cartoon, you know, like stick my pinky

793
00:31:40,018 --> 00:31:40,816
in my ear and go like,

794
00:31:41,710 --> 00:31:42,910
You're like at I hearing things.

795
00:31:44,589 --> 00:31:46,529
But then, you know, every every

796
00:31:46,990 --> 00:31:49,884
fourth or fifth appearance, it would be Wolf

797
00:31:49,884 --> 00:31:52,121
man jack again, Look he was getting possessed.

798
00:31:56,356 --> 00:31:56,596
Yeah.

799
00:31:57,808 --> 00:32:00,223
So when... I believe it's when we're first

800
00:32:00,282 --> 00:32:02,537
introduced to him. He's pro around in his

801
00:32:02,994 --> 00:32:05,482
automobile spying on Max san talking to a

802
00:32:05,482 --> 00:32:07,259
guy in his back backseat or the passenger

803
00:32:07,317 --> 00:32:10,507
seat, and we see a familiar pair of

804
00:32:10,507 --> 00:32:13,140
j gloves, and I'm thinking like, okay. Now

805
00:32:13,140 --> 00:32:14,789
this guy's hiring private investor,

806
00:32:15,308 --> 00:32:17,800
You know, III got, like, un

807
00:32:18,176 --> 00:32:21,046
lone wolf vibes from the peep show scene.

808
00:32:21,683 --> 00:32:25,040
Slash villains do not hire Pi. That's just

809
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,710
not part of the game plan.

810
00:32:27,425 --> 00:32:29,652
So, like, who is this guy? Already, he

811
00:32:29,652 --> 00:32:31,504
feels like he's just in a costume,

812
00:32:31,958 --> 00:32:34,592
You know Right? He's he's invoking all of

813
00:32:34,592 --> 00:32:37,686
these gl slash, but is is actually... Would

814
00:32:37,686 --> 00:32:39,644
we more at home in, like, the parallel

815
00:32:40,002 --> 00:32:41,830
you or something. It just it just does...

816
00:32:42,068 --> 00:32:43,658
There's something that's not c coherent there.

817
00:32:44,532 --> 00:32:46,280
I guess you can have it both ways.

818
00:32:46,598 --> 00:32:48,640
John Lip out in blow out is like

819
00:32:48,839 --> 00:32:49,660
the perfect

820
00:32:50,039 --> 00:32:53,079
fusion of those 2 types where he's You

821
00:32:53,079 --> 00:32:55,160
know. Very true. He's like an assassin for

822
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,528
hire that does political wet work but then

823
00:32:58,528 --> 00:33:01,702
he's also a raving luna tech who can

824
00:33:01,702 --> 00:33:03,527
just go off of the grid and commit

825
00:33:03,527 --> 00:33:05,297
of or a bunch of random killings

826
00:33:05,829 --> 00:33:06,329
for

827
00:33:06,876 --> 00:33:08,250
no discernible reason.

828
00:33:09,180 --> 00:33:11,881
Yeah. Well, and it does make a certain

829
00:33:11,881 --> 00:33:14,463
amount of sense. Again, I... We we keep

830
00:33:15,479 --> 00:33:17,554
repeatedly spoiling in case you didn't hear us

831
00:33:17,554 --> 00:33:20,745
the first time that this ad what's done

832
00:33:20,745 --> 00:33:22,908
it? Yeah. It's her dad, what done it

833
00:33:22,908 --> 00:33:25,375
and what's doing it. But in a sense,

834
00:33:25,534 --> 00:33:28,159
he is kind of wearing the costume of

835
00:33:28,159 --> 00:33:29,375
a yellow killer

836
00:33:30,004 --> 00:33:32,716
when he's a psycho murderer, but of a

837
00:33:32,716 --> 00:33:33,593
different stripe.

838
00:33:34,231 --> 00:33:37,023
Yeah. He's a bible beaten nut bag.

839
00:33:37,661 --> 00:33:39,495
So he is in a sense wearing a

840
00:33:39,495 --> 00:33:42,141
custom just not in in the way it

841
00:33:42,141 --> 00:33:42,938
kind of reads.

842
00:33:43,496 --> 00:33:46,206
And I think that bible t hiring a

843
00:33:46,206 --> 00:33:47,641
hit hitman or not a hit hitman.

844
00:33:49,168 --> 00:33:52,350
Firing a private eye is a little more

845
00:33:52,350 --> 00:33:52,850
plausible

846
00:33:53,464 --> 00:33:54,918
than a gl

847
00:33:55,229 --> 00:33:57,702
and higher. Well... But he's clearly not afraid

848
00:33:57,702 --> 00:33:59,936
to get his own hands dirty. So hire

849
00:33:59,936 --> 00:34:02,250
is have a fake Can points out later

850
00:34:02,250 --> 00:34:04,415
as the film. That that scene was that

851
00:34:04,415 --> 00:34:06,007
scene was a head spending. So it's like,

852
00:34:06,484 --> 00:34:09,907
hiring Api, even a really s 1 who

853
00:34:09,907 --> 00:34:12,135
seems capable of murder as Kevin Bacon does.

854
00:34:12,868 --> 00:34:16,378
Seems like a ludicrous half measure when you

855
00:34:16,378 --> 00:34:19,967
are meanwhile, just going around ending lives, you

856
00:34:19,967 --> 00:34:21,961
know, and doing your own smooth thing. If

857
00:34:21,961 --> 00:34:23,431
you really needed the guy

858
00:34:23,963 --> 00:34:25,338
to get you on

859
00:34:25,950 --> 00:34:27,857
Maxine vaccines trail initially.

860
00:34:28,413 --> 00:34:31,129
I guess that's fine. But you easily could

861
00:34:31,129 --> 00:34:32,796
have dispensed with his services.

862
00:34:33,431 --> 00:34:35,098
Yeah Possibly murdered him.

863
00:34:35,892 --> 00:34:36,527
And possibly,

864
00:34:37,083 --> 00:34:39,560
carotid him from the back backseat. That's seems...

865
00:34:39,878 --> 00:34:42,101
That would have been fucking wild if that

866
00:34:42,101 --> 00:34:44,405
first scene where they're sitting in the car

867
00:34:44,405 --> 00:34:46,494
together, and he's Kevin Bacon.

868
00:34:47,265 --> 00:34:48,480
You know if we

869
00:34:51,642 --> 00:34:53,941
if if if the bill fair is changing,

870
00:34:54,179 --> 00:34:55,684
the price is gonna go up.

871
00:35:00,712 --> 00:35:04,190
But if if he just immediately got carotid

872
00:35:05,106 --> 00:35:07,657
after we would have expected so many more

873
00:35:07,657 --> 00:35:09,968
scenes of Kevin Bacon, that would have been

874
00:35:09,968 --> 00:35:13,172
wild. That would like a, like, janet in

875
00:35:13,331 --> 00:35:16,443
Psycho writ small. Yeah. And that's a reference

876
00:35:16,523 --> 00:35:17,103
I make

877
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,475
as you'll find out. Yes.

878
00:35:21,404 --> 00:35:22,920
A boy will you. But no. I mean,

879
00:35:23,159 --> 00:35:25,552
I had... If if Kevin Bacon had died

880
00:35:25,552 --> 00:35:28,264
in his first appearance, we would have been

881
00:35:28,264 --> 00:35:32,272
deprived the scene where Maxine dad, whose identity

882
00:35:32,272 --> 00:35:34,429
has yet to be revealed to us who

883
00:35:34,429 --> 00:35:37,147
has just murdered her friend, the guy who

884
00:35:37,147 --> 00:35:39,954
works at the video store hands or gloves

885
00:35:39,954 --> 00:35:43,055
rather dripping with gore comes back to the

886
00:35:43,055 --> 00:35:45,201
car and Kevin Bacon like, I see you're

887
00:35:45,201 --> 00:35:47,442
not afraid to catch your hands to a

888
00:35:47,442 --> 00:35:47,942
counselor.

889
00:35:49,589 --> 00:35:49,987
And it's like,

890
00:35:50,782 --> 00:35:52,293
what... Yeah. How do... Why are you...

891
00:35:53,565 --> 00:35:55,967
Why he's so non plus? It's why is

892
00:35:55,967 --> 00:35:57,801
why is he preview this? Are you a

893
00:35:57,801 --> 00:35:59,475
chauffeur? Why are you out here?

894
00:36:00,990 --> 00:36:03,461
Well, there's that logistical issue? And then there's

895
00:36:03,461 --> 00:36:04,989
there's just like the trope.

896
00:36:05,705 --> 00:36:07,694
The way this is supposed to play out

897
00:36:07,694 --> 00:36:09,843
is Kevin Bacon supposed to go... Hey. I

898
00:36:09,843 --> 00:36:11,673
didn't sign up for this. You know,

899
00:36:12,469 --> 00:36:14,312
I want out. And then he'd gets capped.

900
00:36:15,027 --> 00:36:17,251
And, but instead, he's just, like, I'm cool.

901
00:36:19,396 --> 00:36:21,755
Well, as etsy points out when he's

902
00:36:22,194 --> 00:36:25,394
stalking maxine later on through the bathroom of

903
00:36:25,394 --> 00:36:27,394
some kind of industrial club.

904
00:36:27,954 --> 00:36:29,335
I know how the criminal

905
00:36:29,809 --> 00:36:31,967
we keep doing the Wolf man Jack voice

906
00:36:31,967 --> 00:36:33,804
in spite of the fact that you pointed

907
00:36:33,804 --> 00:36:36,361
out that that's only about 15 percent of

908
00:36:36,361 --> 00:36:39,086
the time, But that's that voice is more

909
00:36:39,086 --> 00:36:40,754
fun. So I guess we're gonna keep doing

910
00:36:40,754 --> 00:36:43,217
it. Yes. I... I know how the criminal

911
00:36:43,217 --> 00:36:45,362
thinks because I'm 1 myself.

912
00:36:46,489 --> 00:36:47,762
Yes. The moon is full.

913
00:36:50,069 --> 00:36:50,808
A woo.

914
00:36:51,342 --> 00:36:55,036
Yes, indeed. It's very bizarre. That Kevin Bacon

915
00:36:55,171 --> 00:36:57,336
shows up for that scene in the immediate

916
00:36:57,550 --> 00:37:00,270
aftermath of the friend getting mer. And then

917
00:37:00,405 --> 00:37:02,329
that that made my head spin, and then

918
00:37:02,329 --> 00:37:04,487
it's spun again near the end of the

919
00:37:04,487 --> 00:37:07,044
movie in exactly the same fashion.

920
00:37:07,524 --> 00:37:10,161
There's a scene where you think that Maxine

921
00:37:10,161 --> 00:37:11,932
is about to kill Kevin Bacon and you're

922
00:37:11,932 --> 00:37:14,316
not wrong. But then her lawyer is also

923
00:37:14,316 --> 00:37:17,018
there, and he's, like, as chill with the

924
00:37:17,018 --> 00:37:18,869
murder as Kevin Bacon was

925
00:37:19,259 --> 00:37:21,567
the murder of the video store guy. This

926
00:37:21,567 --> 00:37:23,875
is a very man. Agents don't fuck around.

927
00:37:24,273 --> 00:37:27,536
The very strange world we're getting here. With

928
00:37:27,536 --> 00:37:30,103
all kinds of un savory characters who's who,

929
00:37:30,263 --> 00:37:32,740
you know, you think that they're operating at

930
00:37:32,740 --> 00:37:34,898
1 level of der duration and then in

931
00:37:34,898 --> 00:37:35,697
an instant,

932
00:37:36,417 --> 00:37:38,275
they'll reveal themselves to be

933
00:37:38,748 --> 00:37:39,784
agent 47,

934
00:37:40,183 --> 00:37:42,973
basically. Right. Right. And and and that that

935
00:37:42,973 --> 00:37:44,648
ought be a good thing. That ought be

936
00:37:44,648 --> 00:37:46,401
fun, but it did just kind of leave

937
00:37:46,401 --> 00:37:48,253
my head spinning, and it kind of never

938
00:37:48,253 --> 00:37:50,171
stopped. It's sort still going.

939
00:37:50,890 --> 00:37:51,390
So

940
00:37:51,929 --> 00:37:52,808
the next scene,

941
00:37:53,447 --> 00:37:54,965
that we don't get that for some time

942
00:37:54,965 --> 00:37:57,078
yet. The next seen of any consequence,

943
00:37:57,617 --> 00:37:59,614
which I wanted to like. I like the

944
00:37:59,614 --> 00:38:02,704
setup up very, very much is maxine on

945
00:38:02,904 --> 00:38:05,620
set going to the makeup department to get

946
00:38:05,620 --> 00:38:08,017
a plaster cast bed of her head because

947
00:38:08,017 --> 00:38:09,635
of the movie that she

948
00:38:10,109 --> 00:38:11,328
got the part in

949
00:38:11,786 --> 00:38:13,943
lead role. In P2I

950
00:38:13,943 --> 00:38:15,621
don't think we said that yet made up

951
00:38:15,621 --> 00:38:18,188
horror movie. Sequel to a equally made up

952
00:38:18,188 --> 00:38:19,781
horror a movie. The movie ends with a

953
00:38:19,781 --> 00:38:21,374
shot of her d capita it head, so

954
00:38:21,374 --> 00:38:23,684
they gotta take a plaster cast, so she's

955
00:38:23,684 --> 00:38:25,730
under a pile of Goo and she's in

956
00:38:25,849 --> 00:38:27,838
instructed not to move. And, you know, just

957
00:38:27,838 --> 00:38:29,429
keep breathing, you'll be fine. I'll be back

958
00:38:29,429 --> 00:38:31,179
in 10 minutes. So she's left alone in

959
00:38:31,179 --> 00:38:34,543
this room. Can't move. Can't see. I thought

960
00:38:34,694 --> 00:38:37,722
The Diploma thing to do here would be

961
00:38:37,722 --> 00:38:41,329
to have her be silently menace Yeah. By

962
00:38:41,387 --> 00:38:44,269
someone that she can't see after being told

963
00:38:44,269 --> 00:38:46,181
not to get out of that chair, and

964
00:38:46,181 --> 00:38:48,489
this is her first big break, so she

965
00:38:48,489 --> 00:38:51,393
would be very reluctant. I would think to

966
00:38:51,927 --> 00:38:54,973
fuck up the plaster cast and possibly

967
00:38:55,348 --> 00:38:56,860
bundle the whole opportunity.

968
00:38:57,417 --> 00:38:59,577
So she is in the hot seat, and

969
00:38:59,577 --> 00:39:02,912
she's just sweating as she hears creaking floor

970
00:39:02,912 --> 00:39:04,921
boards and maybe sinister

971
00:39:05,373 --> 00:39:05,873
slash

972
00:39:06,485 --> 00:39:06,882
breathing.

973
00:39:08,014 --> 00:39:10,010
None of that happens. She's is totally alone.

974
00:39:10,170 --> 00:39:11,608
The only thing that happens is that she

975
00:39:11,608 --> 00:39:13,067
starts getting trauma flashbacks

976
00:39:13,685 --> 00:39:15,610
to the original x.

977
00:39:16,246 --> 00:39:18,391
And it's funny in a way because it's,

978
00:39:18,471 --> 00:39:20,719
you know, shots of her with the plaster

979
00:39:20,775 --> 00:39:23,413
drying on her head or inter cut. With

980
00:39:23,413 --> 00:39:25,188
shots of old pearl

981
00:39:25,565 --> 00:39:27,318
from x, and I was struck by the

982
00:39:27,318 --> 00:39:29,971
fact that I was just looking at 2

983
00:39:30,427 --> 00:39:32,518
mia Got swift with a bunch of goo

984
00:39:32,518 --> 00:39:33,797
on their head. You know.

985
00:39:34,675 --> 00:39:38,452
I'm I'm sure there a very intentional meta

986
00:39:38,831 --> 00:39:41,401
that have to be doing So eventually, she

987
00:39:41,401 --> 00:39:44,034
starts hyper vent and winds up falling over,

988
00:39:44,593 --> 00:39:45,731
and the makeup artist

989
00:39:46,109 --> 00:39:48,516
shows up in time to watch her scrape

990
00:39:48,516 --> 00:39:50,108
the goo off her mouth. Oh my god,

991
00:39:50,188 --> 00:39:52,177
are you okay? She's no worse for the

992
00:39:52,177 --> 00:39:54,882
wear. Missed opportunity there, I think? Yeah.

993
00:39:55,614 --> 00:39:57,931
We are introduced around this time. I think

994
00:39:57,931 --> 00:40:01,926
it's when Hell corpse is dr up. We're

995
00:40:01,926 --> 00:40:03,205
introduced to a pair of cops.

996
00:40:03,699 --> 00:40:06,996
I didn't recognize... Introduced to detectives Can

997
00:40:07,375 --> 00:40:08,434
and Mona.

998
00:40:08,973 --> 00:40:10,572
Okay. I didn't recognize her. It was that

999
00:40:10,731 --> 00:40:13,540
Michelle Mona. Holy shit. Yeah. Both of them

1000
00:40:13,540 --> 00:40:16,169
are slum it and then... Bobby can. Okay.

1001
00:40:16,647 --> 00:40:18,980
She's always got sunglasses on. He is very

1002
00:40:19,117 --> 00:40:20,551
recognizable Bobby campbell.

1003
00:40:21,029 --> 00:40:22,119
It's hard not to.

1004
00:40:23,838 --> 00:40:25,915
And he... There's a throw away line. I

1005
00:40:25,915 --> 00:40:27,514
thought I was gonna like his character a

1006
00:40:27,514 --> 00:40:29,192
lot more than I wound up liking it

1007
00:40:29,192 --> 00:40:30,950
because there's a throw away line early on.

1008
00:40:31,442 --> 00:40:33,748
Where she allude to the fact that he's

1009
00:40:33,748 --> 00:40:35,576
a fail actor, who then Yeah. You know,

1010
00:40:35,815 --> 00:40:36,927
became an actual cop.

1011
00:40:37,563 --> 00:40:39,630
And so he's he's always hammond it up

1012
00:40:39,630 --> 00:40:42,351
a little bit. And if that had just

1013
00:40:42,351 --> 00:40:45,137
been done with a lighter touch, that would

1014
00:40:45,137 --> 00:40:47,604
have been really funny. I think Yeah. Bobby

1015
00:40:47,764 --> 00:40:48,264
Can

1016
00:40:48,654 --> 00:40:51,152
or can or however it's pronounced is perfectly

1017
00:40:51,291 --> 00:40:54,409
cast in that kind of joke role where

1018
00:40:54,409 --> 00:40:56,406
you just... All you have to do is

1019
00:40:56,406 --> 00:41:00,089
the usual movie cop tough guy performance, but

1020
00:41:00,089 --> 00:41:01,998
just because we've been told he's a failed

1021
00:41:01,998 --> 00:41:02,317
actor.

1022
00:41:03,033 --> 00:41:04,783
All of that is going through that lens

1023
00:41:04,783 --> 00:41:06,852
and is just trans into comedy.

1024
00:41:07,424 --> 00:41:09,582
You know, But instead, like everything else in

1025
00:41:09,582 --> 00:41:11,500
the movie, it's laid on much too thick

1026
00:41:11,500 --> 00:41:13,818
and we're reminded that he's a failed actor.

1027
00:41:13,977 --> 00:41:15,735
And Michelle Mona keeps telling him to take

1028
00:41:15,735 --> 00:41:18,166
it down a notch. You know, it's particularly

1029
00:41:18,384 --> 00:41:19,443
the first time

1030
00:41:19,820 --> 00:41:22,531
that little tidbit gets dropped. It's when they

1031
00:41:22,531 --> 00:41:24,525
go to try and question maxine for the

1032
00:41:24,525 --> 00:41:25,344
first time

1033
00:41:25,801 --> 00:41:28,117
and after she says, man, I don't talk

1034
00:41:28,117 --> 00:41:30,099
to police and then just goes into her

1035
00:41:30,099 --> 00:41:33,191
apartment. Michelle Mona has to chew through some

1036
00:41:33,191 --> 00:41:33,691
pretty

1037
00:41:34,158 --> 00:41:35,374
clumsy dialogue

1038
00:41:35,828 --> 00:41:38,134
about how he was laying it on way

1039
00:41:38,134 --> 00:41:40,678
too thick, and you went over the top

1040
00:41:40,678 --> 00:41:43,240
and blah blah blah. No wonder, you didn't

1041
00:41:43,240 --> 00:41:44,994
make it as an actor. And this this

1042
00:41:44,994 --> 00:41:46,268
is clumsy.

1043
00:41:46,906 --> 00:41:48,659
Yeah. No. I mean, it's I mean the

1044
00:41:48,659 --> 00:41:49,376
movie itself.

1045
00:41:50,109 --> 00:41:52,823
Is over seasoning the dish, which is is

1046
00:41:52,823 --> 00:41:53,701
it is want to do.

1047
00:41:54,419 --> 00:41:56,494
And I think like I said, a lighter

1048
00:41:56,494 --> 00:41:58,330
touch would have made that whole thing saying.

1049
00:41:59,144 --> 00:42:02,505
Maxine is lured to a meeting with Kevin

1050
00:42:02,664 --> 00:42:05,224
Bacon. He's been leaving her messages. He left

1051
00:42:05,224 --> 00:42:08,320
her a V dhs tape containing footage

1052
00:42:08,835 --> 00:42:11,773
of the porn that they shot in the

1053
00:42:11,773 --> 00:42:13,836
murder barn in x, so he got his

1054
00:42:13,836 --> 00:42:16,059
hands on that somehow. Yeah. And it's got

1055
00:42:16,059 --> 00:42:17,224
a title card

1056
00:42:17,583 --> 00:42:20,136
like, Texas state police on it. So it

1057
00:42:20,136 --> 00:42:22,927
right indicated to be, like, pulled from police

1058
00:42:22,927 --> 00:42:25,262
evidence. So we come to learn that she's

1059
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,285
never been imp duplicated in that she got

1060
00:42:28,285 --> 00:42:29,958
away Scot free, but I hate to even...

1061
00:42:30,596 --> 00:42:33,486
III hesitate to even use that physiology

1062
00:42:34,021 --> 00:42:37,071
because what would she be held accountable for?

1063
00:42:37,231 --> 00:42:39,088
Like, it seems like he's trying to blackmail

1064
00:42:39,228 --> 00:42:41,599
her? And she's very skit about the whole

1065
00:42:41,720 --> 00:42:42,860
thing. Granted

1066
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,480
she backed up over Pearls head when she

1067
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,480
didn't strictly speaking half to.

1068
00:42:48,039 --> 00:42:51,796
But beyond that, she was you fighting for

1069
00:42:51,796 --> 00:42:55,547
her life. Well, and again, just because we've

1070
00:42:56,078 --> 00:42:56,578
completely

1071
00:42:56,951 --> 00:42:59,595
put the plot points of this movie into

1072
00:42:59,595 --> 00:43:02,069
a blender, and we just keep revealing things

1073
00:43:02,069 --> 00:43:04,224
early. I'm just gonna do it again. Near

1074
00:43:04,224 --> 00:43:06,550
the end of the film, basically at the

1075
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:09,092
end of the film. She has cornered her

1076
00:43:09,092 --> 00:43:11,259
father after this big climax.

1077
00:43:11,632 --> 00:43:14,412
And she's up by the Hollywood sign holding

1078
00:43:14,412 --> 00:43:15,150
a shotgun

1079
00:43:15,618 --> 00:43:18,398
over his head, and there's a police helicopter,

1080
00:43:18,874 --> 00:43:21,098
shining its light down on her, telling her,

1081
00:43:21,495 --> 00:43:23,401
it's all over, put down the gun.

1082
00:43:23,973 --> 00:43:26,440
And she still blows his brains out, and

1083
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,748
then it flashes forward to a month later,

1084
00:43:28,907 --> 00:43:31,476
and she's, like, wrapping the shoot on P

1085
00:43:31,532 --> 00:43:31,771
too.

1086
00:43:32,408 --> 00:43:32,908
So

1087
00:43:33,458 --> 00:43:35,633
she got away with needlessly

1088
00:43:36,250 --> 00:43:39,541
murdering this guy in front of the police

1089
00:43:40,078 --> 00:43:42,232
and yet earlier on in the movie, she's

1090
00:43:42,232 --> 00:43:42,732
afraid

1091
00:43:43,124 --> 00:43:46,650
of potentially getting imp in a much more

1092
00:43:46,787 --> 00:43:49,973
obvious case of self defense. Yes. The the

1093
00:43:49,973 --> 00:43:53,092
murder of these 2 half dead psycho and,

1094
00:43:53,489 --> 00:43:53,887
you know,

1095
00:43:55,318 --> 00:43:56,908
you know, I think that you're gonna... Even

1096
00:43:56,908 --> 00:43:58,442
with mediocre legal

1097
00:43:58,895 --> 00:44:00,505
representation, you would just get slap on the

1098
00:44:00,505 --> 00:44:02,905
wrist, I think, especially when we're talking about

1099
00:44:02,905 --> 00:44:03,704
movie logic.

1100
00:44:04,264 --> 00:44:06,525
Yeah. So it's it's hard to say

1101
00:44:06,984 --> 00:44:09,314
why she's so cow by this guy, and

1102
00:44:09,314 --> 00:44:12,045
that's actually a problem that I have with

1103
00:44:12,103 --> 00:44:15,711
virtually every scene in this movie. She's revealed

1104
00:44:16,103 --> 00:44:19,681
to be a stone cold operator when she

1105
00:44:19,681 --> 00:44:20,181
brutally

1106
00:44:20,714 --> 00:44:22,066
d cox that guy.

1107
00:44:23,099 --> 00:44:25,844
Yeah. But then every other

1108
00:44:26,220 --> 00:44:28,291
interaction she has. She's meeting all of these

1109
00:44:28,291 --> 00:44:29,110
very forceful

1110
00:44:29,486 --> 00:44:31,398
personalities. Every time she's on screen with Kevin

1111
00:44:31,557 --> 00:44:33,151
Bacon. He does all the talking.

1112
00:44:33,723 --> 00:44:35,475
Every time she has to deal with those

1113
00:44:35,475 --> 00:44:37,626
2 cops, They do all the talking, the

1114
00:44:37,626 --> 00:44:40,492
director who's making her movie is the most

1115
00:44:40,492 --> 00:44:42,657
lo of them all. I don't I dare

1116
00:44:42,657 --> 00:44:44,564
think Maxine barely says a word to her.

1117
00:44:44,723 --> 00:44:47,027
So Maxine is a complete non entity, and

1118
00:44:47,027 --> 00:44:48,378
all of these interactions.

1119
00:44:49,014 --> 00:44:51,103
Despite as we have seen

1120
00:44:51,414 --> 00:44:54,041
being a force of nature when the situation

1121
00:44:54,041 --> 00:44:56,431
calls for it, but so often,

1122
00:44:56,909 --> 00:44:57,966
she's just

1123
00:44:58,342 --> 00:44:59,797
meek as a field mouse

1124
00:45:00,188 --> 00:45:03,048
And but while insisting the whole time that

1125
00:45:03,048 --> 00:45:04,717
she's a star. She's a star, You know?

1126
00:45:04,876 --> 00:45:07,045
And we're not being shown the g.

1127
00:45:07,514 --> 00:45:09,768
She's just this, like, kind of wave like

1128
00:45:09,827 --> 00:45:12,459
little leaf getting blown about by the wind.

1129
00:45:12,778 --> 00:45:13,336
But Yeah...

1130
00:45:14,134 --> 00:45:16,447
Until she isn't. I... That's the my number

1131
00:45:16,447 --> 00:45:17,005
1 problem,

1132
00:45:17,577 --> 00:45:19,481
with the movie. It doesn't in any way,

1133
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:21,964
sell a feeling of herb, having that star

1134
00:45:22,019 --> 00:45:24,399
potential, having that pest, you know? And it's

1135
00:45:24,399 --> 00:45:26,480
shouldn't we just get less a performance out

1136
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,071
of Mia Got, and this whole thing is

1137
00:45:28,071 --> 00:45:31,016
the Mia Got all singing all dancing extra,

1138
00:45:31,574 --> 00:45:33,484
You know, that's what Pearl was. God knows.

1139
00:45:33,723 --> 00:45:35,155
I mean, the stands wanted her to be

1140
00:45:35,155 --> 00:45:36,523
off nominated for that.

1141
00:45:37,399 --> 00:45:39,867
Yeah. She gets for as big for her

1142
00:45:39,867 --> 00:45:42,812
12 minute monologue or whatever right long it

1143
00:45:42,812 --> 00:45:42,971
was.

1144
00:45:43,625 --> 00:45:47,085
Right. 12 minute 1 shot, 1 or monologue.

1145
00:45:47,625 --> 00:45:49,385
And then we get we get this movie

1146
00:45:49,385 --> 00:45:51,710
where she like a just to complete nothing

1147
00:45:51,710 --> 00:45:53,299
for the most part. That was the 1

1148
00:45:53,299 --> 00:45:54,650
thing. I mean there's a lot of decisions

1149
00:45:54,650 --> 00:45:57,748
in this movie that I can't totally understand,

1150
00:45:57,907 --> 00:45:59,755
but that's the 1 thing that I'm really

1151
00:45:59,755 --> 00:46:01,594
struggling to wrap my head around, and I'll

1152
00:46:01,594 --> 00:46:03,594
probably have more to say about it after

1153
00:46:03,594 --> 00:46:05,914
the break because it is the movies number

1154
00:46:05,914 --> 00:46:07,914
1 critical week point for me.

1155
00:46:08,647 --> 00:46:10,874
Case in point, she does have a scene

1156
00:46:10,874 --> 00:46:13,579
just after the Kevin Bacon scene where she

1157
00:46:13,579 --> 00:46:15,984
is acc by the cops. And like I

1158
00:46:15,984 --> 00:46:17,182
said, they do all the talking,

1159
00:46:17,742 --> 00:46:19,260
and this is where we find out that

1160
00:46:19,340 --> 00:46:21,738
Bobby's a failed actor. And I bring it

1161
00:46:21,738 --> 00:46:25,269
up only because Kevin Bacon, Guilt trips her

1162
00:46:25,269 --> 00:46:28,065
a little about being the lone survivor of

1163
00:46:28,065 --> 00:46:30,782
the massacre in x. But if you survive,

1164
00:46:30,942 --> 00:46:33,155
if I'd had survived and all my friends

1165
00:46:33,275 --> 00:46:36,315
it perished. I, you know, blah boy howdy.

1166
00:46:36,474 --> 00:46:37,195
I would just be.

1167
00:46:39,275 --> 00:46:40,968
I would just fall to pieces you know,

1168
00:46:41,127 --> 00:46:42,342
Mag, the guilt would be

1169
00:46:42,715 --> 00:46:44,700
overwhelming. You know, And then he he reviewed.

1170
00:46:44,859 --> 00:46:47,162
He mentions he mentions that he's an atheist,

1171
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,941
rather randomly, and that kind of comes up

1172
00:46:49,941 --> 00:46:50,594
again later.

1173
00:46:52,112 --> 00:46:55,070
I'm sorry. The southern exit you're doing now.

1174
00:46:55,549 --> 00:46:56,428
If you ever seen...

1175
00:46:57,148 --> 00:46:58,906
As soon as I said, boy Howdy, I

1176
00:46:58,906 --> 00:47:00,079
knew I'd lost the plot

1177
00:47:02,106 --> 00:47:03,059
Have you ever seen...

1178
00:47:03,615 --> 00:47:04,115
So

1179
00:47:04,648 --> 00:47:07,054
Will Ferrell has a recurring role

1180
00:47:07,443 --> 00:47:10,150
in east bound down? No. I have not.

1181
00:47:10,866 --> 00:47:14,208
Okay. He plays this car dealer with this

1182
00:47:14,208 --> 00:47:14,708
ridiculous

1183
00:47:15,178 --> 00:47:19,459
Yee, southern accents, and there's this scene of

1184
00:47:19,459 --> 00:47:22,179
a confrontation. And before I watched the scene

1185
00:47:22,233 --> 00:47:22,684
itself

1186
00:47:23,042 --> 00:47:26,059
I watched out takes of it. Multiple times.

1187
00:47:26,376 --> 00:47:30,028
He's standing in between Danny Mcbride and Craig

1188
00:47:30,187 --> 00:47:32,766
Robinson, who's, you know, like an an ex

1189
00:47:32,822 --> 00:47:35,757
rival of his, when they're having this showdown,

1190
00:47:36,154 --> 00:47:38,058
and Will farrell stan to get between them.

1191
00:47:38,376 --> 00:47:40,699
It's saying all this outlandish shit. The line

1192
00:47:40,699 --> 00:47:42,133
that sticks most of my mind is like,

1193
00:47:42,532 --> 00:47:43,669
I can feel it

1194
00:47:44,046 --> 00:47:45,103
in my plum.

1195
00:47:49,474 --> 00:47:49,974
And

1196
00:47:50,906 --> 00:47:53,291
I I just... I started thinking of him.

1197
00:47:54,643 --> 00:47:56,925
When you got down into the boy out

1198
00:47:57,044 --> 00:47:59,598
is. Yeah. Yeah. That that I have a

1199
00:47:59,598 --> 00:48:01,114
feeling that's rather on point.

1200
00:48:01,753 --> 00:48:03,508
So I only I only bring up the

1201
00:48:03,508 --> 00:48:05,358
scene with the cops, which like I said,

1202
00:48:05,518 --> 00:48:08,469
comes immediately after the Kevin Bacon because he

1203
00:48:08,469 --> 00:48:11,021
lays the lone survivor guilt trip on her.

1204
00:48:11,500 --> 00:48:14,530
And then the failed actor cop starts in

1205
00:48:14,530 --> 00:48:16,381
with a couple of your friends just turned

1206
00:48:16,381 --> 00:48:18,478
up dead. You know? We just pulled hal

1207
00:48:18,536 --> 00:48:20,692
corpse out of a lake. Don't you care?

1208
00:48:21,170 --> 00:48:23,405
Don't you... You know, so, like, 2 consecutive

1209
00:48:23,405 --> 00:48:26,619
scenes are about her failing her friends or

1210
00:48:26,619 --> 00:48:28,780
out living her friends. And I thought, like,

1211
00:48:28,940 --> 00:48:30,159
well, that's cons ridiculous.

1212
00:48:31,179 --> 00:48:32,859
Is that what these movies have been about

1213
00:48:32,859 --> 00:48:35,024
this whole time? Early not. That kinda came

1214
00:48:35,024 --> 00:48:37,088
out of nowhere. And sure enough, it never

1215
00:48:37,088 --> 00:48:38,777
comes up again. So

1216
00:48:39,151 --> 00:48:41,769
those scenes should not have been consecutive. They

1217
00:48:41,769 --> 00:48:43,616
should have either been spaced out or ideally.

1218
00:48:43,935 --> 00:48:45,131
We really didn't need both.

1219
00:48:45,769 --> 00:48:46,009
Yeah.

1220
00:48:46,806 --> 00:48:49,358
So we do meet the filmmaker, whose name

1221
00:48:49,358 --> 00:48:51,193
escapes me, but she has played by Elizabeth

1222
00:48:51,352 --> 00:48:53,684
D in a performance. The... I, I don't

1223
00:48:53,684 --> 00:48:55,925
really know what else she's done. So maybe

1224
00:48:55,925 --> 00:48:58,324
this is type casting that's lost on me.

1225
00:48:58,644 --> 00:49:00,485
But the way the character is written and

1226
00:49:00,485 --> 00:49:00,724
played.

1227
00:49:01,378 --> 00:49:04,400
It's like the sort of thing that, like

1228
00:49:04,479 --> 00:49:07,262
Emma Thompson or Ti Sw would have once

1229
00:49:07,262 --> 00:49:10,283
done. Yeah. Very kind of ice queen, a

1230
00:49:10,283 --> 00:49:10,783
sur

1231
00:49:11,332 --> 00:49:11,832
career.

1232
00:49:12,923 --> 00:49:14,514
On the 1 hand, she seems to be

1233
00:49:14,514 --> 00:49:17,616
a mouthpiece for Ty west, but with you

1234
00:49:17,616 --> 00:49:19,458
know time. Yeah. But some of the time,

1235
00:49:19,617 --> 00:49:21,786
but with this kind of girl boss v

1236
00:49:22,478 --> 00:49:24,067
that makes the whole thing feel like, a

1237
00:49:24,067 --> 00:49:25,675
little bit of a trojan horse in a

1238
00:49:25,675 --> 00:49:27,034
way that I'm kind of having a hard

1239
00:49:27,034 --> 00:49:29,914
time putting into words, but she boy, does

1240
00:49:29,914 --> 00:49:32,074
she go on. And like I said, mia

1241
00:49:32,234 --> 00:49:35,119
Got barely makes tit, the whole time there

1242
00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:38,482
together, and she drives her to the set

1243
00:49:38,697 --> 00:49:41,799
of psycho, you know, the bates Motel house,

1244
00:49:41,958 --> 00:49:43,071
which is still standing.

1245
00:49:43,563 --> 00:49:45,632
And they're too. I mean, it's the whole

1246
00:49:45,632 --> 00:49:47,802
thing. Yeah. Right. And,

1247
00:49:48,257 --> 00:49:50,380
you know, with there... There's a crane shot

1248
00:49:50,896 --> 00:49:54,021
we we crane up to the sign Bates

1249
00:49:54,158 --> 00:49:57,674
motel, and then Elizabeth Top vicky says Do

1250
00:49:57,674 --> 00:49:58,631
you know where you are?

1251
00:49:59,429 --> 00:50:01,366
This is where they shot cycle.

1252
00:50:03,659 --> 00:50:04,616
You don't say.

1253
00:50:05,749 --> 00:50:07,666
You know, I mean, she didn't just blow

1254
00:50:07,666 --> 00:50:10,223
in from Hicks. She knows what Psycho is.

1255
00:50:10,783 --> 00:50:12,620
That I don't know. That it it was

1256
00:50:12,620 --> 00:50:14,468
no. She just you know, 8 years of

1257
00:50:14,468 --> 00:50:16,854
doing porn. She's never watched a movie. Well,

1258
00:50:17,014 --> 00:50:17,672
it's it's

1259
00:50:18,047 --> 00:50:20,329
it could've have been a funny moment because

1260
00:50:20,529 --> 00:50:22,204
it seems like she's getting set up for

1261
00:50:22,204 --> 00:50:24,278
a Gotcha, At least this is where my

1262
00:50:24,278 --> 00:50:25,736
mind went with my

1263
00:50:26,193 --> 00:50:27,411
possibly faulty

1264
00:50:27,724 --> 00:50:29,964
grasp of movie trivial, although I think I'm

1265
00:50:29,964 --> 00:50:32,284
right about this. She could have said, do

1266
00:50:32,284 --> 00:50:34,924
you know where you are and mia Go

1267
00:50:34,924 --> 00:50:36,579
is like, yeah. This is where they shot

1268
00:50:36,779 --> 00:50:38,853
psycho and Elizabeth D could have said, no.

1269
00:50:39,172 --> 00:50:42,045
This is where they shot Psycho 2. Because

1270
00:50:42,124 --> 00:50:44,212
I think that they did they did really

1271
00:50:44,212 --> 00:50:45,724
tear down the set and then they had

1272
00:50:45,724 --> 00:50:47,554
to rebuild it. And I think I don't

1273
00:50:47,554 --> 00:50:49,543
know if it's still standing. But for years

1274
00:50:49,543 --> 00:50:50,895
and years, it was part of the, like,

1275
00:50:51,293 --> 00:50:52,486
universal studios tour,

1276
00:50:53,539 --> 00:50:55,217
but it wasn't the original set. It was

1277
00:50:55,217 --> 00:50:57,853
the set from Psycho 2 or 3. Probably,

1278
00:50:58,014 --> 00:50:59,851
it's the same structure because those movies are

1279
00:50:59,851 --> 00:51:00,730
both from the eighties.

1280
00:51:01,224 --> 00:51:01,384
Yeah.

1281
00:51:02,261 --> 00:51:03,936
And I I think that's the 1 that

1282
00:51:03,936 --> 00:51:05,611
stood the test of time. Although I... Yeah.

1283
00:51:05,850 --> 00:51:08,163
It's probably been bull since. I don't know.

1284
00:51:08,722 --> 00:51:11,709
But... I, it unless Ty West either

1285
00:51:12,402 --> 00:51:15,186
rebuilt it a second time or caught it

1286
00:51:15,186 --> 00:51:17,732
just before it was demolished. It's probably still

1287
00:51:17,732 --> 00:51:17,970
there.

1288
00:51:18,542 --> 00:51:20,609
Well, he he might have built it from

1289
00:51:20,609 --> 00:51:23,949
scratch because just after this, mia Got wander

1290
00:51:23,949 --> 00:51:25,642
onto a western set

1291
00:51:26,017 --> 00:51:27,527
that, I mean, I don't know. Maybe he

1292
00:51:27,527 --> 00:51:29,454
found that too, but in any case, there's

1293
00:51:29,454 --> 00:51:32,163
a really dumb shot of Kevin Bacon.

1294
00:51:32,641 --> 00:51:34,632
Has she already beaten his ass at this

1295
00:51:34,632 --> 00:51:36,385
point? I think that she at some point,

1296
00:51:36,624 --> 00:51:38,871
he's tailing her he's parked and he's sitting

1297
00:51:38,871 --> 00:51:40,545
in his car, and she just goes over

1298
00:51:40,545 --> 00:51:42,242
to the driver side window

1299
00:51:42,699 --> 00:51:45,090
and just beats the holy hell out of

1300
00:51:45,090 --> 00:51:46,980
his head and the bridge of his nose

1301
00:51:47,419 --> 00:51:49,896
Yeah. So he shows up with the Jake

1302
00:51:50,056 --> 00:51:53,333
Gi ga and bandage on his nose. And

1303
00:51:53,333 --> 00:51:55,971
standing got the he's got the cream colored

1304
00:51:55,971 --> 00:51:56,610
suit too.

1305
00:51:57,183 --> 00:52:00,073
Yeah. That's that's that's true. But

1306
00:52:00,609 --> 00:52:04,273
unlike Jake Gi, he's also giving Tombstone a

1307
00:52:04,273 --> 00:52:06,320
little bit because he's standing in the middle

1308
00:52:06,439 --> 00:52:09,483
of this Dusty street flank on either side

1309
00:52:09,698 --> 00:52:12,481
by old time looking banks in general stores.

1310
00:52:13,117 --> 00:52:15,206
And for once in the movie, Tie west

1311
00:52:15,342 --> 00:52:15,795
exercises

1312
00:52:16,312 --> 00:52:18,621
restraint and doesn't have a tumble weed blow

1313
00:52:18,621 --> 00:52:21,488
between them as they're staring each other down.

1314
00:52:21,727 --> 00:52:23,877
And it's not a shootout. Maxine takes off

1315
00:52:23,877 --> 00:52:24,116
running.

1316
00:52:24,688 --> 00:52:27,552
And winds up taking refuge in the bates

1317
00:52:27,552 --> 00:52:30,177
house, And he is unable to pursue her

1318
00:52:30,177 --> 00:52:31,291
because he's intercepted.

1319
00:52:31,862 --> 00:52:35,119
By security guard Larry Fest. That... Okay. That

1320
00:52:35,119 --> 00:52:37,581
is Larry. I thought so. I knew I

1321
00:52:37,581 --> 00:52:39,408
recognized him. He shows up twice. This is

1322
00:52:39,408 --> 00:52:41,369
the second time. The first time is

1323
00:52:41,965 --> 00:52:44,268
maxine pulling onto the lot to have a

1324
00:52:44,268 --> 00:52:47,365
meeting with Elizabeth Vicky. And he asked who

1325
00:52:47,365 --> 00:52:48,794
she's there to see. It's like, I'm here

1326
00:52:48,794 --> 00:52:51,438
to see so and so I'm maxine min,

1327
00:52:51,677 --> 00:52:53,510
and he sort of lee at her and

1328
00:52:53,670 --> 00:52:55,982
G it says, yes. You are. I was

1329
00:52:55,982 --> 00:52:57,975
like, I see I see you're a fan.

1330
00:52:58,309 --> 00:52:59,184
A family. Yes.

1331
00:53:01,331 --> 00:53:03,877
And honestly, and Larry Fa can bring that

1332
00:53:03,877 --> 00:53:06,204
energy like few others. You know? It's less.

1333
00:53:06,443 --> 00:53:08,361
It's like him and Mark Boone Jr.

1334
00:53:11,558 --> 00:53:14,195
Like, brothers from another mother, you know, both

1335
00:53:14,195 --> 00:53:16,547
of them. Can just turn on the Las

1336
00:53:17,244 --> 00:53:19,719
and the kind of just Douche sc thing

1337
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,375
that they do, you know, Boy they like

1338
00:53:22,593 --> 00:53:22,912
awful.

1339
00:53:25,559 --> 00:53:25,798
So...

1340
00:53:27,551 --> 00:53:29,144
But like, all of the bates house stuff

1341
00:53:29,144 --> 00:53:31,216
is pretty annoying. There's even a shot. Correct

1342
00:53:31,216 --> 00:53:33,128
me if I'm wrong where Maxine looks in

1343
00:53:33,128 --> 00:53:34,518
the window in sees

1344
00:53:34,891 --> 00:53:37,112
pearl looking out at her or, like likely,

1345
00:53:37,191 --> 00:53:40,467
like, a silhouette crazy lady. You know, I

1346
00:53:40,761 --> 00:53:42,844
I get a good look. I didn't know

1347
00:53:42,844 --> 00:53:45,340
if it was supposed to be mama bates

1348
00:53:45,639 --> 00:53:48,196
norman, obviously. Yeah Or if it was supposed

1349
00:53:48,196 --> 00:53:48,835
to be pearl,

1350
00:53:49,567 --> 00:53:51,635
or if it was supposed to be vague

1351
00:53:51,635 --> 00:53:53,227
enough that it could be either or above.

1352
00:53:53,465 --> 00:53:55,693
I don't really. In any case, you put

1353
00:53:55,693 --> 00:53:58,023
yourself in conversation with Hitchcock

1354
00:53:58,414 --> 00:53:59,552
that explicitly,

1355
00:54:00,089 --> 00:54:02,264
you run the risk of it feeling like

1356
00:54:02,561 --> 00:54:05,193
self insert fan fiction. You run the risk

1357
00:54:05,193 --> 00:54:07,108
of it, just seeming way too big for

1358
00:54:07,108 --> 00:54:09,536
its bridges, which is how I felt about

1359
00:54:09,911 --> 00:54:12,481
the singing and the rain stuff in Babylon,

1360
00:54:12,937 --> 00:54:14,689
You know. It's like, you you you you

1361
00:54:14,689 --> 00:54:16,202
come at the king. You best not miss.

1362
00:54:17,253 --> 00:54:17,972
As they say,

1363
00:54:18,929 --> 00:54:20,685
when she beats the shit out of Kevin

1364
00:54:20,765 --> 00:54:23,239
Bacon, it is to the song, man in

1365
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:24,835
motion from Saint Elmo fire,

1366
00:54:25,407 --> 00:54:27,260
And it is just after

1367
00:54:27,635 --> 00:54:30,817
she's been given a pep talk by Elizabeth

1368
00:54:30,896 --> 00:54:31,396
D

1369
00:54:31,771 --> 00:54:34,734
about how her character in P too. I

1370
00:54:34,734 --> 00:54:36,327
can't remember who she says. I think she's,

1371
00:54:36,407 --> 00:54:38,717
like, you're gonna be, like, Clint East wood

1372
00:54:38,717 --> 00:54:41,506
combined with Charles Bronson or something like that.

1373
00:54:42,159 --> 00:54:45,699
So it almost seems like this death wish

1374
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:49,440
vigilant moment that she has where she cracks

1375
00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:51,280
Kevin Bacon head, but good.

1376
00:54:51,934 --> 00:54:54,575
Is a product of that pep talk. Like,

1377
00:54:54,655 --> 00:54:57,135
yeah. Okay. She's she's tapping into the action

1378
00:54:57,135 --> 00:54:59,454
hero. She's trying to be the star that

1379
00:54:59,614 --> 00:55:02,588
Elizabeth D wants her to be but that

1380
00:55:02,588 --> 00:55:04,905
can't be the intention because we've already seen

1381
00:55:04,905 --> 00:55:08,420
her do much earlier vigilant justice earlier in

1382
00:55:08,420 --> 00:55:08,900
the movie.

1383
00:55:09,472 --> 00:55:12,412
So it it feels like a dee escalation,

1384
00:55:12,571 --> 00:55:14,320
which is not how these movies are supposed

1385
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,012
to proceed. Not

1386
00:55:16,784 --> 00:55:18,944
they're just in the wrong order. It seems

1387
00:55:18,944 --> 00:55:21,244
to me. We know for fact that she's

1388
00:55:21,244 --> 00:55:23,172
exercising incredible self restraint

1389
00:55:23,703 --> 00:55:25,942
when she lays down that beat down.

1390
00:55:26,580 --> 00:55:28,891
Yeah. So he chases her all over the

1391
00:55:28,891 --> 00:55:30,804
studio. I kind of wanted that whole sequence,

1392
00:55:30,963 --> 00:55:32,659
You know because it starts in a western

1393
00:55:32,797 --> 00:55:33,036
town.

1394
00:55:33,609 --> 00:55:35,367
And I kind of wanted it to... I...

1395
00:55:35,527 --> 00:55:36,726
I and then, you know, it winds up

1396
00:55:36,726 --> 00:55:38,963
at the bates motel. And in the meantime,

1397
00:55:39,282 --> 00:55:41,380
in the interim, I wanted them to just

1398
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,405
crap through different genres like the end of

1399
00:55:44,405 --> 00:55:46,478
blazing saddle. You know, just go all the

1400
00:55:46,478 --> 00:55:48,869
way with it, have them gate crash a

1401
00:55:48,869 --> 00:55:52,381
musical and and God knows what else, but

1402
00:55:52,381 --> 00:55:55,477
it's not actually slaps stick as wacky as

1403
00:55:55,477 --> 00:55:57,382
it is, so it doesn't commit to the

1404
00:55:57,382 --> 00:55:57,462
bit.

1405
00:55:58,193 --> 00:56:00,985
And on her way out after having alluded

1406
00:56:01,144 --> 00:56:03,617
Kevin Bacon, she stopped by Elizabeth Dip, and

1407
00:56:03,617 --> 00:56:04,893
they have another conversation,

1408
00:56:05,611 --> 00:56:08,258
and, Elizabeth Just... It's kind of tells her

1409
00:56:08,258 --> 00:56:09,932
the same shit we've heard already, which is

1410
00:56:09,932 --> 00:56:11,686
that you need to really get invested in

1411
00:56:11,686 --> 00:56:14,556
this film. For some reason, this director character

1412
00:56:14,556 --> 00:56:17,755
really thinks that P too is the opportunity

1413
00:56:17,755 --> 00:56:19,820
of a lifetime. Not just for me a

1414
00:56:19,900 --> 00:56:21,885
Got, but for but for her as well

1415
00:56:21,885 --> 00:56:22,600
as an artist.

1416
00:56:22,997 --> 00:56:25,079
This is gonna be her message movie. A

1417
00:56:25,079 --> 00:56:27,396
b movie with a ideas. I think she

1418
00:56:27,396 --> 00:56:28,755
calls it, which is a line that I've

1419
00:56:28,755 --> 00:56:29,814
seen people roasting

1420
00:56:30,273 --> 00:56:31,412
on the Internet

1421
00:56:31,951 --> 00:56:33,963
because that's another moment when seems like Ty

1422
00:56:33,963 --> 00:56:36,280
west is kind of giving us a statement

1423
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,557
of intent. Right. Very on the nose. And

1424
00:56:39,956 --> 00:56:41,530
but so that we we get that little

1425
00:56:41,649 --> 00:56:44,756
side between the 2 women, which immediately follows

1426
00:56:44,756 --> 00:56:47,146
the pursuit across the studio lot, and we

1427
00:56:47,146 --> 00:56:49,469
see Kevin Bacon being hold off by security.

1428
00:56:50,024 --> 00:56:52,561
And the next thing we know, literally, maybe

1429
00:56:52,561 --> 00:56:55,336
a minute later. Mia Ga is starting a

1430
00:56:55,336 --> 00:56:57,491
line of coke and getting dal up and

1431
00:56:57,491 --> 00:56:59,789
going out to a club. And who should

1432
00:56:59,789 --> 00:57:02,246
we see under the strobe lights, but Kevin

1433
00:57:02,326 --> 00:57:03,594
Bacon, and I'm like,

1434
00:57:04,324 --> 00:57:06,722
she just got away from this guy. I

1435
00:57:06,722 --> 00:57:09,299
mean, this would be the same chase sequence

1436
00:57:09,758 --> 00:57:12,475
were it not for that brief conversation with

1437
00:57:12,635 --> 00:57:13,135
Elizabeth

1438
00:57:13,528 --> 00:57:16,333
which didn't tell us anything new? It's like

1439
00:57:16,469 --> 00:57:19,013
why why is there even an interruption there?

1440
00:57:19,490 --> 00:57:21,875
It's it's it's it really, really puzzling, and

1441
00:57:21,875 --> 00:57:23,240
this is when he does the hole, You

1442
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:26,017
know? A, too am a criminal, you know,

1443
00:57:26,255 --> 00:57:28,398
thing that he does as as he's kicking

1444
00:57:28,398 --> 00:57:30,857
open stall doors in the ladies restroom,

1445
00:57:31,429 --> 00:57:32,969
and he winds up

1446
00:57:33,269 --> 00:57:34,170
chasing maxine

1447
00:57:34,469 --> 00:57:36,170
outside and then gets blinded

1448
00:57:36,469 --> 00:57:38,389
by a pair of headlights. And I thought

1449
00:57:38,389 --> 00:57:40,483
that she was just gonna floor it and

1450
00:57:40,483 --> 00:57:44,177
just run them down Christine style. But then

1451
00:57:44,395 --> 00:57:47,110
her lawyer is revealed to be there. Her

1452
00:57:47,110 --> 00:57:49,446
lawyer slash agent slash

1453
00:57:49,838 --> 00:57:50,338
Mafia

1454
00:57:50,711 --> 00:57:51,824
enforce, I guess.

1455
00:57:52,697 --> 00:57:54,525
Well, we we had 1 or 2 scenes

1456
00:57:54,525 --> 00:57:56,193
of him earlier in the movie, and he

1457
00:57:56,193 --> 00:57:58,280
did not seem to have that much street

1458
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,512
cr to me. I mean, he allude to

1459
00:58:00,512 --> 00:58:01,389
shady dealings,

1460
00:58:01,868 --> 00:58:05,876
But every Hollywood power player or aspiring player

1461
00:58:06,426 --> 00:58:09,365
thinks. It's easy to claim. I've seen some

1462
00:58:09,365 --> 00:58:10,556
shit. Exactly.

1463
00:58:11,430 --> 00:58:13,574
But then it turns out that he knows

1464
00:58:13,574 --> 00:58:15,602
a guy whose Rot

1465
00:58:15,979 --> 00:58:19,090
will eat your remains. After after you've been

1466
00:58:19,090 --> 00:58:20,845
crushed in a car crusher.

1467
00:58:22,759 --> 00:58:26,278
In it's insane. I I say sw. Yeah.

1468
00:58:26,437 --> 00:58:30,017
So they do put Kevin Bacon who's tied

1469
00:58:30,017 --> 00:58:31,528
to the steering wheel of his car. They

1470
00:58:31,528 --> 00:58:32,722
put him in the car crusher.

1471
00:58:33,454 --> 00:58:35,612
And in the way of car crusher, it

1472
00:58:35,612 --> 00:58:38,729
doesn't move that fast. But I figured there

1473
00:58:38,729 --> 00:58:41,546
might be at least 1 stop and go

1474
00:58:41,766 --> 00:58:44,335
because that's how these fucking scenes always work.

1475
00:58:44,813 --> 00:58:46,887
Why something They would at least wanna know

1476
00:58:46,887 --> 00:58:48,881
who he's is working for. But they they

1477
00:58:48,881 --> 00:58:50,556
don't try to get any information out of.

1478
00:58:50,715 --> 00:58:52,731
No. They just what's press the button

1479
00:58:53,125 --> 00:58:54,404
and it just goes.

1480
00:58:55,284 --> 00:58:58,005
And he starts saying a Hail Mary so

1481
00:58:58,005 --> 00:59:00,824
much for being an Atheist. Well, that's there

1482
00:59:01,525 --> 00:59:02,539
in Fox holes

1483
00:59:02,980 --> 00:59:05,940
a bizarre check mate atheists moment where he

1484
00:59:05,940 --> 00:59:06,440
just

1485
00:59:06,820 --> 00:59:08,199
speed runs pascal

1486
00:59:08,500 --> 00:59:10,900
Wage in a fa lake foreign voice.

1487
00:59:11,632 --> 00:59:14,332
You know, I'm all father on heaven halloween

1488
00:59:14,332 --> 00:59:15,523
not name all god.

1489
00:59:16,475 --> 00:59:18,539
It's just like... I mean, it's played for

1490
00:59:18,539 --> 00:59:21,198
laughs, but it's also... It's it it's runs

1491
00:59:21,255 --> 00:59:21,652
counter...

1492
00:59:22,130 --> 00:59:25,174
Or the movie basically has a very anti

1493
00:59:25,390 --> 00:59:28,571
evangelical sla. So this would seem to run

1494
00:59:28,571 --> 00:59:30,264
counter to that, but

1495
00:59:30,654 --> 00:59:32,171
don't know. It was hard for me to

1496
00:59:32,171 --> 00:59:35,843
parse, but then, yeah, his bacon jam runs

1497
00:59:35,843 --> 00:59:38,398
out of what's left of the car and

1498
00:59:38,398 --> 00:59:40,643
some dogs come over and start lapping it

1499
00:59:40,643 --> 00:59:41,517
up. Yep.

1500
00:59:42,233 --> 00:59:43,130
So subsequently,

1501
00:59:43,503 --> 00:59:45,330
and we're ramping up to the climax now.

1502
00:59:45,489 --> 00:59:47,396
Although it doesn't really feel like it. I

1503
00:59:47,396 --> 00:59:49,064
mean, the ending comes a little bit out

1504
00:59:49,064 --> 00:59:49,541
of nowhere.

1505
00:59:50,275 --> 00:59:51,255
I wasn't as

1506
00:59:51,795 --> 00:59:53,554
thrown for a loop by it as some

1507
00:59:53,554 --> 00:59:55,655
other people, but it is

1508
00:59:56,355 --> 00:59:57,289
something of a curve

1509
00:59:57,807 --> 01:00:00,909
Mia Go is given another letter, like the

1510
01:00:00,909 --> 01:00:02,817
kind that Kevin Bacon has been leaving for

1511
01:00:02,817 --> 01:00:03,931
the whole movie at least, we thought it

1512
01:00:03,931 --> 01:00:06,331
was Kevin Bacon, but obviously, he's out of

1513
01:00:06,331 --> 01:00:08,316
the. I think it's another letter. I think

1514
01:00:08,316 --> 01:00:10,539
she's been hanging onto to it for half

1515
01:00:10,539 --> 01:00:12,523
the movie. Oh, think be the first 1.

1516
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:15,718
The address was is Starlight Avenue or no

1517
01:00:15,797 --> 01:00:18,184
Starlight Drive. Yeah. 1 66

1518
01:00:18,343 --> 01:00:19,218
Starlight Drive,

1519
01:00:19,934 --> 01:00:20,434
and

1520
01:00:21,063 --> 01:00:24,328
either in real life or in the universe

1521
01:00:24,328 --> 01:00:26,717
of this film that is a street up

1522
01:00:26,717 --> 01:00:29,425
in the hills immediately under the Hollywood sign.

1523
01:00:29,919 --> 01:00:33,829
Mh. Which feels like another attempted hitchcock. It's

1524
01:00:33,829 --> 01:00:35,983
a little bit north by Northwest the way

1525
01:00:35,983 --> 01:00:38,470
that the climax spills up into the Hollywood

1526
01:00:38,549 --> 01:00:41,176
Hills under the sign in and around the

1527
01:00:41,176 --> 01:00:45,177
sign. Well, it's also a little Hollywood land

1528
01:00:45,409 --> 01:00:47,796
which I've not seen. Yeah. Well, it's just

1529
01:00:47,796 --> 01:00:50,024
murders taking place in the vicinity of the

1530
01:00:50,104 --> 01:00:51,616
Hollywood sign. U.

1531
01:00:52,411 --> 01:00:55,217
Anyway, Yeah. So she she drives up there

1532
01:00:55,217 --> 01:00:57,473
to finish things, basically.

1533
01:00:58,090 --> 01:00:58,590
And

1534
01:00:58,967 --> 01:01:01,454
as she's driving up the street, she passes

1535
01:01:01,454 --> 01:01:05,598
by detectives, Mona and Can who are staking

1536
01:01:05,598 --> 01:01:07,373
out the address, basically.

1537
01:01:08,163 --> 01:01:08,663
And

1538
01:01:09,277 --> 01:01:12,222
that in and of itself kind of bleeds

1539
01:01:12,222 --> 01:01:15,030
out some of the tension of this climax.

1540
01:01:15,739 --> 01:01:18,289
Not that particularly in a a post get

1541
01:01:18,289 --> 01:01:21,877
out world. We're like, yeah. The cops, everything's

1542
01:01:21,877 --> 01:01:25,161
going to be okay, but you figure... Okay.

1543
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,351
The cops are on hand, they'll probably turn

1544
01:01:28,351 --> 01:01:32,419
up before anything bad or really bad happens

1545
01:01:32,419 --> 01:01:32,919
to.

1546
01:01:33,949 --> 01:01:35,784
So we kind of lose the tension there.

1547
01:01:36,263 --> 01:01:38,358
Not that there was a ton because just

1548
01:01:38,577 --> 01:01:40,810
you figure she's gonna make it anyway, but

1549
01:01:40,810 --> 01:01:42,968
that what little tension there might have been

1550
01:01:42,968 --> 01:01:44,554
that gets bled out by the fact that

1551
01:01:44,554 --> 01:01:47,014
the cops, we know they're sitting right there.

1552
01:01:47,489 --> 01:01:50,682
Yeah. It's it's a really weird decision, frankly.

1553
01:01:50,841 --> 01:01:52,431
And then when the cops do show up,

1554
01:01:52,987 --> 01:01:54,360
it gets a little bit

1555
01:01:54,973 --> 01:01:55,473
sub

1556
01:01:55,784 --> 01:01:56,284
Tara

1557
01:01:56,823 --> 01:01:58,501
with the shootout that en pursues?

1558
01:01:59,140 --> 01:02:01,138
Well, yeah. It it just... It turns into

1559
01:02:01,138 --> 01:02:04,595
a complete blood bath. Okay. So Mia

1560
01:02:04,987 --> 01:02:06,123
gets grabbed

1561
01:02:06,655 --> 01:02:09,434
by her dad. Yeah. Her dad is po

1562
01:02:09,434 --> 01:02:12,713
authenticating at her, making the failed actor character

1563
01:02:12,769 --> 01:02:16,605
in the movie look very t to reality

1564
01:02:16,605 --> 01:02:19,155
by comparison with the performance he's giving. He's

1565
01:02:19,155 --> 01:02:19,873
just really, like,

1566
01:02:20,909 --> 01:02:22,996
playing for the nose leads he makes a

1567
01:02:22,996 --> 01:02:26,125
meal out of the word devi. It's devi.

1568
01:02:28,014 --> 01:02:30,028
Well, and and shortly thereafter,

1569
01:02:30,484 --> 01:02:31,462
he explains

1570
01:02:31,773 --> 01:02:33,762
to her that he's here to make a

1571
01:02:33,762 --> 01:02:34,079
movie,

1572
01:02:34,636 --> 01:02:35,136
exposing

1573
01:02:35,511 --> 01:02:36,965
Hollywood. It's very

1574
01:02:37,420 --> 01:02:37,920
ana

1575
01:02:38,374 --> 01:02:39,646
qa on almost.

1576
01:02:40,219 --> 01:02:40,460
Yeah.

1577
01:02:41,179 --> 01:02:44,300
About how Hollywood's is a satan cult and

1578
01:02:44,300 --> 01:02:45,900
whatnot. Yeah. More like Holly weird.

1579
01:02:47,594 --> 01:02:49,914
Right. So he's he's here to make this

1580
01:02:49,914 --> 01:02:50,315
movie,

1581
01:02:50,795 --> 01:02:53,775
and we see shots from this movie of

1582
01:02:53,835 --> 01:02:55,855
the protesters that we've seen

1583
01:02:56,567 --> 01:02:59,029
outside the studio repeatedly earlier on in the

1584
01:02:59,029 --> 01:03:02,128
film, you're gonna be the climax of my

1585
01:03:02,128 --> 01:03:03,295
movie. And then,

1586
01:03:04,373 --> 01:03:06,530
He puts the bag on her head, plastic

1587
01:03:06,530 --> 01:03:06,770
bag,

1588
01:03:07,489 --> 01:03:10,387
not to suffocate to death, but to suffocate

1589
01:03:10,526 --> 01:03:11,505
too unconscious.

1590
01:03:12,139 --> 01:03:14,155
And the whole time she's just been backing

1591
01:03:14,213 --> 01:03:17,804
away from this frail old man. She's turned

1592
01:03:17,804 --> 01:03:20,294
to into steal old mouse again. Right. And

1593
01:03:20,294 --> 01:03:23,730
knocks over a suitcase. This... I mentioned this

1594
01:03:23,730 --> 01:03:26,707
earlier a suitcase full of Lily Collins

1595
01:03:27,086 --> 01:03:27,725
body parts.

1596
01:03:28,300 --> 01:03:30,719
Lily Collins has a small role

1597
01:03:31,099 --> 01:03:33,359
as the star of P in 1

1598
01:03:33,739 --> 01:03:34,239
who

1599
01:03:34,619 --> 01:03:37,019
shoots some flashbacks for P 2.

1600
01:03:37,752 --> 01:03:40,298
Yeah. And I I actually liked her 1

1601
01:03:40,298 --> 01:03:42,446
scene a fair deal. She does... There's a

1602
01:03:42,446 --> 01:03:43,582
moment where she

1603
01:03:44,037 --> 01:03:47,550
mimics the movie poster of P 1. She

1604
01:03:47,550 --> 01:03:48,843
does this extended

1605
01:03:49,216 --> 01:03:52,390
wide mouth silent scream that I actually found

1606
01:03:52,390 --> 01:03:53,342
slightly unnerving.

1607
01:03:53,914 --> 01:03:56,394
Because it's not totally static. Her face is

1608
01:03:56,394 --> 01:03:57,835
like taught and twitch.

1609
01:03:58,315 --> 01:03:59,835
And, you know, it's like, oh, this something's

1610
01:03:59,835 --> 01:04:01,195
not quite right with this woman.

1611
01:04:01,675 --> 01:04:03,170
You know, it was like... And it was

1612
01:04:03,448 --> 01:04:05,838
scary because it's silent. She doesn't make any

1613
01:04:05,838 --> 01:04:08,866
noise, but then weirdly when they flash back

1614
01:04:08,866 --> 01:04:10,141
to it later on,

1615
01:04:10,714 --> 01:04:13,587
there's some kind of flashback montage. There's a

1616
01:04:13,587 --> 01:04:15,422
there's a montage of mia Got having a

1617
01:04:15,741 --> 01:04:18,135
Eureka moment where she realizes that all of

1618
01:04:18,135 --> 01:04:21,367
her friends, actresses, sex workers have been lured

1619
01:04:21,586 --> 01:04:23,904
to this same house on Starlight drive.

1620
01:04:24,623 --> 01:04:27,181
Yeah. And when it cuts to that shot

1621
01:04:27,181 --> 01:04:28,060
of Lily Collins,

1622
01:04:28,633 --> 01:04:32,140
there is a scream sound under overlaid there.

1623
01:04:33,016 --> 01:04:35,328
And I don't know why. Yeah. Defeating the

1624
01:04:35,328 --> 01:04:37,253
whole purpose. The thing that made it Erie.

1625
01:04:37,412 --> 01:04:40,356
III was going to issue that caveat. The

1626
01:04:40,356 --> 01:04:42,765
asterisk there is that I don't like the

1627
01:04:42,981 --> 01:04:45,385
tape shouldn't at all. I only like the

1628
01:04:45,385 --> 01:04:48,412
original silent scream. So, yeah, that's what became

1629
01:04:48,412 --> 01:04:50,563
of Lily Collins. She wound up in a

1630
01:04:50,563 --> 01:04:51,918
suitcase in pieces.

1631
01:04:52,970 --> 01:04:53,210
Yeah.

1632
01:04:54,010 --> 01:04:54,510
So

1633
01:04:54,809 --> 01:04:55,309
Mia

1634
01:04:55,849 --> 01:04:59,150
is made unconscious and then tied up outside

1635
01:04:59,369 --> 01:05:02,423
by the pool where all the cult our

1636
01:05:02,423 --> 01:05:03,620
array in a big circle.

1637
01:05:04,099 --> 01:05:06,652
Her dad starts going into his speech, and

1638
01:05:06,652 --> 01:05:09,386
this is what I was building to

1639
01:05:09,858 --> 01:05:12,083
3 minutes ago when you talked about how

1640
01:05:12,083 --> 01:05:13,196
he makes a meal a out of the

1641
01:05:13,196 --> 01:05:15,206
word D ant

1642
01:05:15,739 --> 01:05:16,239
because

1643
01:05:16,614 --> 01:05:18,815
he's giving his speech for his

1644
01:05:19,172 --> 01:05:19,569
movie,

1645
01:05:20,284 --> 01:05:21,397
and he says,

1646
01:05:22,510 --> 01:05:23,010
ex.

1647
01:05:24,257 --> 01:05:24,757
And

1648
01:05:26,419 --> 01:05:28,015
turns into 30 syllables.

1649
01:05:28,653 --> 01:05:31,207
And and... But, like, 2 words later, he

1650
01:05:31,207 --> 01:05:31,766
also says,

1651
01:05:32,883 --> 01:05:33,383
mir

1652
01:05:33,761 --> 01:05:34,160
ke.

1653
01:05:35,295 --> 01:05:37,934
God, Heaven. It's a it's a this man

1654
01:05:37,934 --> 01:05:40,414
doing. It's a dreadful performance. And I I

1655
01:05:40,414 --> 01:05:42,175
don't know if... You know, I mean, it's

1656
01:05:42,175 --> 01:05:44,363
it's it's it's the right performance

1657
01:05:44,899 --> 01:05:47,686
for a bit player in x who only

1658
01:05:47,686 --> 01:05:50,155
appears on a Tv screen who's like, a

1659
01:05:50,155 --> 01:05:52,474
whacked out preacher. Tele evangelist,

1660
01:05:52,949 --> 01:05:55,431
not the kind of performance that you wanna

1661
01:05:55,485 --> 01:05:55,985
hang

1662
01:05:56,356 --> 01:05:59,069
the drama of your climax on and not

1663
01:05:59,069 --> 01:06:01,387
the climax of this movie even. More than

1664
01:06:01,387 --> 01:06:02,925
that, it's the climax of

1665
01:06:03,304 --> 01:06:04,264
this whole s shebang.

1666
01:06:04,903 --> 01:06:07,460
Yeah. And and he's just still doing the

1667
01:06:07,460 --> 01:06:09,710
same shit. It'd be 1 thing if, like,

1668
01:06:09,869 --> 01:06:11,703
that's who he was when the cameras were

1669
01:06:11,703 --> 01:06:14,972
rolling, and then behind the scenes. He's... You

1670
01:06:14,972 --> 01:06:16,168
know, he doesn't have to be cool as

1671
01:06:16,168 --> 01:06:16,806
a cucumber.

1672
01:06:17,219 --> 01:06:19,453
But he could, you know, maybe modulate it

1673
01:06:19,453 --> 01:06:21,526
a little bit. But, no. He's just... He's

1674
01:06:21,526 --> 01:06:23,999
always on. He's always turned up to 11.

1675
01:06:24,477 --> 01:06:26,791
And it's just a little bit suffer. I

1676
01:06:26,791 --> 01:06:29,376
thought, it is. I will say he modulate

1677
01:06:29,672 --> 01:06:32,219
slightly, but it's not like he turns it

1678
01:06:32,219 --> 01:06:34,926
down from 11 to 5 or 6.

1679
01:06:35,498 --> 01:06:38,385
It's like, he turns it down from 11

1680
01:06:38,442 --> 01:06:40,373
to when the cameras aren't rolling

1681
01:06:40,748 --> 01:06:40,987
like,

1682
01:06:41,703 --> 01:06:44,594
11 and earth Not 11:10 and 3 quarters.

1683
01:06:45,714 --> 01:06:47,954
It's I I think your instinct was right.

1684
01:06:48,275 --> 01:06:50,994
Yeah. No. Turns it down to 11 from

1685
01:06:50,994 --> 01:06:51,234
11.

1686
01:06:52,365 --> 01:06:54,831
No. I mean, there's there's the the the

1687
01:06:54,831 --> 01:06:55,967
almost an imp.

1688
01:06:56,661 --> 01:06:58,513
Yeah. Drop in his.

1689
01:07:00,251 --> 01:07:01,998
Yeah. I don't I don't know if Ty

1690
01:07:01,998 --> 01:07:04,402
west liked his performance or if he just

1691
01:07:04,537 --> 01:07:06,378
wanted to, you know, I mean, I obviously,

1692
01:07:06,537 --> 01:07:08,286
if you decide that your trilogy is gonna

1693
01:07:08,286 --> 01:07:10,773
go in this direction, it makes sense to

1694
01:07:10,829 --> 01:07:13,611
reward the guy with a bigger j role.

1695
01:07:14,103 --> 01:07:15,932
By I not recast him. So maybe it

1696
01:07:15,932 --> 01:07:16,569
was loyalty.

1697
01:07:17,046 --> 01:07:19,751
I don't know what the decision making process

1698
01:07:19,751 --> 01:07:21,819
was there, but it's it's... The end result

1699
01:07:21,819 --> 01:07:23,507
is Woe. I feel Think.

1700
01:07:24,863 --> 01:07:27,335
And then there's a shoot when the cops

1701
01:07:27,335 --> 01:07:30,446
bust in. And the writing just takes a

1702
01:07:30,446 --> 01:07:32,655
nose dive already in the movie. It's it's

1703
01:07:32,773 --> 01:07:34,678
and fit fully clever. You know, there have

1704
01:07:34,678 --> 01:07:36,503
been a handful of lines that kind of

1705
01:07:36,503 --> 01:07:39,200
made Big go, like, u, u. But it

1706
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:40,573
just gets, like really

1707
01:07:41,517 --> 01:07:44,382
stupid in a way that's, like, just direct

1708
01:07:44,382 --> 01:07:47,168
to video stupid where... Unless I mis him...

1709
01:07:47,566 --> 01:07:49,078
When the cops show up, they've got their

1710
01:07:49,078 --> 01:07:51,164
guns trained on the cult tests, they're in

1711
01:07:51,164 --> 01:07:53,405
the the backyard of this mansion. There's a

1712
01:07:53,405 --> 01:07:55,405
pool. I mean, got this tied up. She's

1713
01:07:55,405 --> 01:07:57,644
about to be branded. The movie doesn't even

1714
01:07:57,644 --> 01:07:59,485
have the Colon to carry through on that.

1715
01:07:59,819 --> 01:08:02,132
Her face is marred when all of this

1716
01:08:02,132 --> 01:08:03,727
is done. Not that I wanna see her

1717
01:08:03,727 --> 01:08:05,641
get tortured, but, you know, I mean, I

1718
01:08:05,641 --> 01:08:06,918
don't know. I think just... There ought to

1719
01:08:06,918 --> 01:08:09,071
be a sense of a possibility of that

1720
01:08:09,071 --> 01:08:09,470
happening.

1721
01:08:09,884 --> 01:08:12,522
You should be fearing the scent of stuart

1722
01:08:12,522 --> 01:08:14,919
flesh reaching your nostrils, and I just I

1723
01:08:14,919 --> 01:08:16,757
just wasn't. Yeah. We knew that the cops

1724
01:08:16,757 --> 01:08:18,355
were waiting in the wings and sure enough,

1725
01:08:18,515 --> 01:08:21,474
they show up. And when they do, unless

1726
01:08:21,554 --> 01:08:23,460
I her of the guy, I'm pretty sure

1727
01:08:23,460 --> 01:08:27,273
that Maxine dad says, do not respect them.

1728
01:08:27,924 --> 01:08:30,318
They're part of the system, and it's like,

1729
01:08:30,557 --> 01:08:32,951
I don't I don't think respect is what's

1730
01:08:32,951 --> 01:08:35,319
staying their hand. I don't you know it's

1731
01:08:35,677 --> 01:08:38,702
fear of bullets. Boy It's fear of hot

1732
01:08:38,702 --> 01:08:39,976
lead. My friend?

1733
01:08:40,851 --> 01:08:42,466
Was, like, what do you mean do not

1734
01:08:42,523 --> 01:08:45,329
respect them? And then, you know, Maxine is

1735
01:08:45,329 --> 01:08:48,202
is is cut loose and Michelle Mona says

1736
01:08:48,202 --> 01:08:50,538
to her. You know, just stay here backups

1737
01:08:50,596 --> 01:08:52,683
on the way. And then she runs off,

1738
01:08:52,922 --> 01:08:55,150
and then maxine grabs a gun off the

1739
01:08:55,150 --> 01:08:57,697
ground and mu to herself. So am I.

1740
01:08:58,015 --> 01:08:59,685
It's like, what do you meet Yours? You're

1741
01:08:59,685 --> 01:09:00,322
already here?

1742
01:09:00,974 --> 01:09:03,531
What are you talking about? Just especially that

1743
01:09:03,531 --> 01:09:06,568
line makes no sense? And retroactively, it makes

1744
01:09:06,568 --> 01:09:09,305
a little sense because they're pursuing

1745
01:09:09,939 --> 01:09:11,609
yeah. They have to go up the hill

1746
01:09:11,609 --> 01:09:14,314
for the hill under the sign. But we

1747
01:09:14,314 --> 01:09:16,382
don't really know that right then and there.

1748
01:09:16,541 --> 01:09:17,908
So like what do you mean? You're on

1749
01:09:17,908 --> 01:09:20,136
your way. You are at the scene of

1750
01:09:20,136 --> 01:09:21,648
the crew you are at the place.

1751
01:09:22,364 --> 01:09:22,864
It's

1752
01:09:23,319 --> 01:09:23,956
so am high.

1753
01:09:25,149 --> 01:09:25,649
Just

1754
01:09:26,199 --> 01:09:27,556
It was like a like a like an

1755
01:09:27,556 --> 01:09:28,754
old with you.

1756
01:09:29,392 --> 01:09:29,632
Yeah.

1757
01:09:31,867 --> 01:09:33,783
It was just... It just sounded awkward. It's,

1758
01:09:33,863 --> 01:09:35,788
like, when you tell the guy who, like,

1759
01:09:35,947 --> 01:09:37,770
sold do your movie ticket. You know, he

1760
01:09:37,770 --> 01:09:39,435
says enjoy your movie and you say you

1761
01:09:39,435 --> 01:09:41,257
youtube. Too. Know. It's just, like, what, no.

1762
01:09:41,495 --> 01:09:42,367
That didn't come out right.

1763
01:09:43,494 --> 01:09:45,083
I'm sorry. I'm dumb.

1764
01:09:47,864 --> 01:09:50,567
So Bobby bobby gets per. I don't remember

1765
01:09:50,567 --> 01:09:52,653
if he survives or not. He does not.

1766
01:09:52,971 --> 01:09:56,086
Because once again, Michelle Mona is trying to

1767
01:09:56,086 --> 01:09:58,720
get vaccine to stay back. So she has

1768
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:00,956
her takeover over the application of pressure.

1769
01:10:01,609 --> 01:10:03,831
And he has a line 2 about 30

1770
01:10:03,831 --> 01:10:05,418
years in La. This is the first time

1771
01:10:05,498 --> 01:10:07,006
I've ever been up here. You know, I

1772
01:10:07,006 --> 01:10:08,037
wanted to be an actor.

1773
01:10:09,243 --> 01:10:11,945
And then he's babe dies quote being trying

1774
01:10:11,945 --> 01:10:14,328
to be, like Kelly Savannah for something, who

1775
01:10:14,328 --> 01:10:15,203
loves your baby.

1776
01:10:24,926 --> 01:10:25,426
So

1777
01:10:27,171 --> 01:10:29,240
As we mentioned, you know, a million years

1778
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:32,665
ago. This all ends with Maxine dad at

1779
01:10:32,665 --> 01:10:34,735
his daughter's Murphy. Let's let's Murphy?

1780
01:10:35,227 --> 01:10:35,545
Mercy.

1781
01:10:37,843 --> 01:10:39,374
Mother of berry, and.

1782
01:10:41,490 --> 01:10:42,283
Let's not forget.

1783
01:10:43,011 --> 01:10:47,622
So Bobby Can dies, which allows maxine to

1784
01:10:47,622 --> 01:10:50,006
guilt free get up and stop applying pressure.

1785
01:10:50,579 --> 01:10:52,819
She runs off after her dad and Michelle

1786
01:10:52,979 --> 01:10:55,699
Mona. Michelle Mona is shouting in the distance,

1787
01:10:55,859 --> 01:10:58,039
You know, I got him, and then lu

1788
01:10:58,909 --> 01:11:00,841
interview with, like, a

1789
01:11:01,216 --> 01:11:03,443
gh in her eye, and then she stumbles

1790
01:11:03,443 --> 01:11:05,988
down the hill, I guess to her death.

1791
01:11:06,878 --> 01:11:09,347
So just everybody has to be dead, but

1792
01:11:09,347 --> 01:11:10,622
maxine apparently.

1793
01:11:11,179 --> 01:11:13,329
Right. What, and it it is kind of

1794
01:11:13,329 --> 01:11:15,480
just like... It's not survival of the fit.

1795
01:11:15,974 --> 01:11:17,192
Because she has not

1796
01:11:17,569 --> 01:11:19,644
distinguished herself in any way,

1797
01:11:20,441 --> 01:11:22,276
during all of this f fructose. And you

1798
01:11:22,276 --> 01:11:25,719
would think that she would, given what was

1799
01:11:25,719 --> 01:11:27,176
established about her character

1800
01:11:27,552 --> 01:11:30,103
in the Alley Way season where she makes

1801
01:11:30,103 --> 01:11:32,663
mince meet of Buster Keaton manhood.

1802
01:11:33,140 --> 01:11:35,286
You know? It's... It it it it she

1803
01:11:35,286 --> 01:11:37,670
just never lives up to that promise. It's

1804
01:11:37,670 --> 01:11:39,656
the most baffling thing that the movie does.

1805
01:11:40,069 --> 01:11:42,323
And she can barely even string a sentence

1806
01:11:42,382 --> 01:11:45,651
together, let alone send people to their final

1807
01:11:45,651 --> 01:11:48,043
reward. She has to work up the nerve

1808
01:11:48,043 --> 01:11:50,370
to do so. To her own father and

1809
01:11:50,370 --> 01:11:53,103
granted there's a police copper, copper chopper

1810
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:56,350
flying above her, telling her to stand down,

1811
01:11:56,590 --> 01:11:57,865
drop the weapon, etcetera.

1812
01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:01,563
And she decides to give him the scanner

1813
01:12:01,858 --> 01:12:03,845
special anyway and blow his head clean off

1814
01:12:03,845 --> 01:12:06,174
his shoulders. But not before

1815
01:12:06,643 --> 01:12:09,185
she has, like, this vision quest.

1816
01:12:09,740 --> 01:12:12,521
Yeah. So how her in, like, the rest

1817
01:12:12,521 --> 01:12:14,689
of her life's gonna turn out. She imagine

1818
01:12:14,999 --> 01:12:17,474
going on the news with Gia carla esp

1819
01:12:17,474 --> 01:12:21,145
fa doing an interview about how... Gia Carlos

1820
01:12:21,225 --> 01:12:23,994
Pos plays her agent lawyer if that was

1821
01:12:24,194 --> 01:12:26,127
established. He's not just, like, plugging

1822
01:12:26,583 --> 01:12:29,133
breaking bad or No. No. III mentioned it

1823
01:12:29,292 --> 01:12:31,045
I believe. Did you? Okay. Well, my mistake.

1824
01:12:31,363 --> 01:12:34,427
Just talking about how she survived this other

1825
01:12:34,485 --> 01:12:34,985
coincidental

1826
01:12:35,441 --> 01:12:38,627
serial killer, coincidental with the night stalker, and

1827
01:12:38,627 --> 01:12:41,256
how was her father, and then we see

1828
01:12:41,256 --> 01:12:44,220
her at the premiere of the P too,

1829
01:12:44,698 --> 01:12:46,771
talking to a reporter about... Do you have

1830
01:12:46,771 --> 01:12:49,641
any words of wisdom for young girls trying

1831
01:12:49,641 --> 01:12:51,609
to make it in Hollywood? It's all like

1832
01:12:51,889 --> 01:12:54,044
work hard, do whatever you have to do?

1833
01:12:54,283 --> 01:12:56,759
It's really like okay. What what mantra are

1834
01:12:56,759 --> 01:12:59,393
we gonna get from that opening home movie,

1835
01:12:59,712 --> 01:13:02,675
whatever it takes. And then it finally, this

1836
01:13:02,675 --> 01:13:04,901
is like a 2 or 3 or 3

1837
01:13:04,901 --> 01:13:07,310
and a half minute segment. It cuts back

1838
01:13:07,525 --> 01:13:08,957
to the Hollywood sign.

1839
01:13:09,608 --> 01:13:12,073
And I think she literally says, say it

1840
01:13:12,073 --> 01:13:14,619
with me, Daddy. She does. And then they

1841
01:13:14,619 --> 01:13:17,422
both say the thing the thing that would

1842
01:13:17,422 --> 01:13:18,381
barely fit on a shirt.

1843
01:13:19,338 --> 01:13:21,893
I refuse to accept the life, I do

1844
01:13:21,893 --> 01:13:25,086
not deserve. The only shirt with that much

1845
01:13:25,086 --> 01:13:25,586
verbiage

1846
01:13:26,057 --> 01:13:27,091
that actually works.

1847
01:13:27,727 --> 01:13:28,227
It's

1848
01:13:28,601 --> 01:13:31,065
a shirt that Dave Parker, who is a

1849
01:13:31,065 --> 01:13:33,585
baseball player for the Pittsburgh pirate

1850
01:13:34,103 --> 01:13:36,335
in the late seventies and into the eighties.

1851
01:13:36,733 --> 01:13:38,726
He wore this shirt that said, if you

1852
01:13:38,726 --> 01:13:40,639
hear any noise, it's just me and the

1853
01:13:40,639 --> 01:13:41,515
boys bop.

1854
01:13:42,089 --> 01:13:42,828
Which is

1855
01:13:43,445 --> 01:13:46,716
the coolest fucking shirt. And because it's so

1856
01:13:46,716 --> 01:13:49,746
goddamn cool, it gets away with being just

1857
01:13:49,746 --> 01:13:51,501
a wall of text on the front of

1858
01:13:51,501 --> 01:13:53,605
a shirt. But, yeah. If it...

1859
01:13:54,296 --> 01:13:56,518
That's the only shirt that could work that

1860
01:13:56,518 --> 01:13:58,661
way. Yes. If it were more 6 synced

1861
01:13:58,661 --> 01:14:00,566
of the charm would be lost, it would

1862
01:14:00,566 --> 01:14:01,716
just of evaporate.

1863
01:14:02,170 --> 01:14:03,997
No. I mean, I... Yeah. I mean, we

1864
01:14:03,997 --> 01:14:05,904
get... We'll we get both of those mantra

1865
01:14:05,904 --> 01:14:08,365
back to back, and then she blows his

1866
01:14:08,365 --> 01:14:09,295
head asu

1867
01:14:09,895 --> 01:14:13,835
and then we get an actual real deal

1868
01:14:13,975 --> 01:14:16,534
version of what she was just imagining, and

1869
01:14:16,534 --> 01:14:18,939
that feels redundant too. Because the first 1,

1870
01:14:19,177 --> 01:14:21,956
you can think, okay. Maybe this is probably

1871
01:14:21,956 --> 01:14:23,250
going for, like, a

1872
01:14:23,623 --> 01:14:26,323
a Travis bi rupert pumpkin kind of thing,

1873
01:14:26,561 --> 01:14:28,989
like, is it a fantasy or isn't it

1874
01:14:29,287 --> 01:14:30,882
that would work better if this were a

1875
01:14:30,882 --> 01:14:33,354
taxi driver scenario where she was bleeding out,

1876
01:14:33,753 --> 01:14:35,827
And so we could entertain the idea that

1877
01:14:35,827 --> 01:14:38,150
maybe it's a deathbed Fu. Or even if

1878
01:14:38,150 --> 01:14:40,694
it's not a death fu, it's just... This

1879
01:14:40,694 --> 01:14:43,874
is her imagining how she thinks her life

1880
01:14:43,874 --> 01:14:45,543
is about to go or how it ought

1881
01:14:45,543 --> 01:14:49,145
to go. And then her blood lust and

1882
01:14:49,145 --> 01:14:52,654
desire for vengeance in the face of police

1883
01:14:52,654 --> 01:14:55,525
orders to put the gun down, she ruins

1884
01:14:55,525 --> 01:14:56,678
it for herself

1885
01:14:57,055 --> 01:14:59,686
at the half yard line to just sort

1886
01:14:59,686 --> 01:15:02,078
of football analogy pointless, I guess.

1887
01:15:03,036 --> 01:15:05,203
So so you would you would expect the

1888
01:15:05,203 --> 01:15:07,599
cut to 1 year later to be a

1889
01:15:07,599 --> 01:15:08,498
rude awakening

1890
01:15:08,877 --> 01:15:10,335
that is inconsistent

1891
01:15:10,712 --> 01:15:11,612
with the fantasy

1892
01:15:12,149 --> 01:15:14,225
that she was interested prison or maybe at

1893
01:15:14,225 --> 01:15:17,355
best just back doing porn. Back doing porn

1894
01:15:17,355 --> 01:15:18,953
because it was a huge scandal or something.

1895
01:15:19,113 --> 01:15:21,110
Yeah. And no. Instead, it's 1 month later,

1896
01:15:21,430 --> 01:15:23,514
She cut the line of coke with her

1897
01:15:23,514 --> 01:15:24,571
freshly laminate

1898
01:15:24,946 --> 01:15:25,900
sag card,

1899
01:15:26,696 --> 01:15:27,093
and

1900
01:15:27,730 --> 01:15:28,659
she's she's

1901
01:15:29,018 --> 01:15:31,484
I'm guessing, wrapping the shoot. They don't say

1902
01:15:31,484 --> 01:15:33,314
that explicitly, but there's... You know, she gets,

1903
01:15:33,394 --> 01:15:35,064
like a round of applause, and they're all

1904
01:15:35,064 --> 01:15:36,894
standing in a circle. They do a moment

1905
01:15:36,894 --> 01:15:37,633
of silence

1906
01:15:38,023 --> 01:15:41,281
for you, Lily Collins. Yep. And then the

1907
01:15:41,281 --> 01:15:41,781
film

1908
01:15:42,314 --> 01:15:42,814
concludes

1909
01:15:43,267 --> 01:15:46,860
with them shooting this shot of her severed

1910
01:15:46,860 --> 01:15:49,168
head sitting out a bed, and then the

1911
01:15:49,168 --> 01:15:50,544
credits roll. And then

1912
01:15:51,238 --> 01:15:51,738
this

1913
01:15:52,273 --> 01:15:54,761
the shot backs all the way out of

1914
01:15:54,761 --> 01:15:57,479
the studio stage, you know, out of the

1915
01:15:57,479 --> 01:15:57,957
warehouse,

1916
01:15:58,358 --> 01:16:00,354
cranes up, goes to the hills,

1917
01:16:01,009 --> 01:16:03,265
instead of Hollywood sign. It's maxine

1918
01:16:03,962 --> 01:16:05,957
with the 3 x's, like in the title

1919
01:16:05,957 --> 01:16:07,793
as opposed to her name. And I kinda

1920
01:16:07,793 --> 01:16:09,804
figured her name would have 3 x in

1921
01:16:09,804 --> 01:16:11,399
it because it'd be a porn thing, But

1922
01:16:11,399 --> 01:16:13,234
no. That's just the title of the film

1923
01:16:13,234 --> 01:16:15,626
and also her car's vanity plate. Yeah. I

1924
01:16:15,626 --> 01:16:16,822
mean, there there could have been a whole

1925
01:16:16,822 --> 01:16:18,657
thing about her, you know, like an artist

1926
01:16:18,657 --> 01:16:20,743
formerly known as prints kind of thing where

1927
01:16:20,743 --> 01:16:23,871
she's trying to drop 2 of the exes

1928
01:16:23,928 --> 01:16:24,428
formally

1929
01:16:24,884 --> 01:16:27,273
and be credited as such, and that's indicative

1930
01:16:27,273 --> 01:16:27,773
indicative

1931
01:16:28,243 --> 01:16:30,878
of her struggle to go straight that would

1932
01:16:30,878 --> 01:16:33,511
have been tidy enough, I think. And then

1933
01:16:33,511 --> 01:16:36,646
the shot further cranes up from the hills

1934
01:16:37,197 --> 01:16:38,493
up into the sky

1935
01:16:39,108 --> 01:16:40,619
through the... And I keep waiting for it

1936
01:16:40,619 --> 01:16:42,131
to fade to black, and it just keeps

1937
01:16:42,131 --> 01:16:44,773
going. The over the clouds up through the

1938
01:16:44,773 --> 01:16:46,926
upper atmosphere and into space.

1939
01:16:49,158 --> 01:16:51,470
And then it finally gets out into space.

1940
01:16:51,710 --> 01:16:54,118
And even there when it's most black. I

1941
01:16:54,118 --> 01:16:54,938
still see

1942
01:16:55,717 --> 01:16:57,315
pin holes in the frail right.

1943
01:16:59,552 --> 01:17:03,242
So it's it's still in space. And it

1944
01:17:03,242 --> 01:17:05,156
eventually, it's fully black, and it's just the

1945
01:17:05,156 --> 01:17:06,373
credits. But

1946
01:17:06,831 --> 01:17:07,309
hoo boy?

1947
01:17:08,027 --> 01:17:09,484
Yeah. It's fucking os.

1948
01:17:10,020 --> 01:17:12,346
I we were joking before we started recording

1949
01:17:12,346 --> 01:17:13,937
that the fourth 1 if they make it

1950
01:17:13,937 --> 01:17:16,880
is it gonna be maxine in space, you

1951
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:19,288
know, it's gonna be a about fighting fighting

1952
01:17:20,553 --> 01:17:22,787
Yeah. Yeah. Jason XXX.

1953
01:17:23,823 --> 01:17:26,216
Just throws as many x's as possible in

1954
01:17:26,216 --> 01:17:28,290
the fourth installment in the x franchise.

1955
01:17:28,928 --> 01:17:29,805
More after the break.

1956
01:17:33,735 --> 01:17:35,252
If you need to read off the sides

1957
01:17:35,252 --> 01:17:36,850
we gave you just go ahead. Alright? I

1958
01:17:36,850 --> 01:17:37,225
know

1959
01:17:38,935 --> 01:17:41,399
She turns to the camera and through her

1960
01:17:41,399 --> 01:17:41,899
trauma

1961
01:17:42,672 --> 01:17:44,104
addresses the lens directly.

1962
01:17:49,208 --> 01:17:51,277
Named faster celebrities who got their start and

1963
01:17:51,277 --> 01:17:53,677
horror. They immediately heard John Travolta to me

1964
01:17:53,677 --> 01:17:55,685
more Brook shield and Max

1965
01:17:56,218 --> 01:17:57,092
fucking mate.

1966
01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:00,269
I wanna let working on here by Freaking

1967
01:18:00,269 --> 01:18:03,074
nights stalker guy The night stalker. Night stalker.

1968
01:18:03,554 --> 01:18:05,550
Stalker terror Los Angeles.

1969
01:18:07,386 --> 01:18:10,260
I can handle myself. So every that girl

1970
01:18:10,260 --> 01:18:11,094
on Ollie.

1971
01:18:12,985 --> 01:18:15,775
Hello, listeners. It's Jim. Here is always during

1972
01:18:15,775 --> 01:18:17,689
the break to tell you some stuff you

1973
01:18:17,689 --> 01:18:18,645
probably already know.

1974
01:18:19,617 --> 01:18:21,931
Please follow us on Twitter at shock doctor's

1975
01:18:21,931 --> 01:18:25,364
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1976
01:18:25,364 --> 01:18:27,849
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1977
01:18:28,007 --> 01:18:28,960
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1978
01:18:29,753 --> 01:18:31,998
Podcast is also available on Spotify,

1979
01:18:32,372 --> 01:18:33,720
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01:18:34,609 --> 01:18:36,197
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1981
01:18:36,197 --> 01:18:38,102
like us to check out, feel free to

1982
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1983
01:18:40,325 --> 01:18:42,969
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1984
01:18:43,024 --> 01:18:43,501
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1985
01:18:44,469 --> 01:18:46,297
And now back to the show.

1986
01:18:49,555 --> 01:18:51,225
This is the defining role of your career.

1987
01:18:52,179 --> 01:18:54,261
Why was gonna in your life that's interfering

1988
01:18:54,261 --> 01:18:54,977
with his participation.

1989
01:18:55,851 --> 01:18:56,250
Squash it.

1990
01:18:57,283 --> 01:18:58,078
And intend to.

1991
01:19:28,057 --> 01:19:28,853
And we're back.

1992
01:19:29,728 --> 01:19:33,467
So this movie is frustrating to me for

1993
01:19:33,467 --> 01:19:34,684
any number of reasons

1994
01:19:35,232 --> 01:19:37,774
many of which we've already talked about either

1995
01:19:37,774 --> 01:19:39,760
briefly or at length. 1 thing that we

1996
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:42,779
didn't really touch on though. Matt, you pointed

1997
01:19:42,779 --> 01:19:44,408
out that there's this

1998
01:19:44,867 --> 01:19:45,845
atmosphere of eighties

1999
01:19:46,384 --> 01:19:49,657
sleeves in the movie that's only really skin

2000
01:19:49,657 --> 01:19:49,896
deep,

2001
01:19:50,774 --> 01:19:52,871
and that's part of the problem. And

2002
01:19:53,185 --> 01:19:54,545
I guess building on that,

2003
01:19:55,505 --> 01:19:56,005
the

2004
01:19:56,465 --> 01:19:59,204
attraction... 1 of the attractions of this movie

2005
01:19:59,744 --> 01:20:00,359
to me

2006
01:20:00,876 --> 01:20:05,351
is that I have an affection for eighties

2007
01:20:05,568 --> 01:20:06,068
sleeves

2008
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:08,509
because it's it's really just part of the

2009
01:20:08,509 --> 01:20:09,861
residue of the seventies.

2010
01:20:10,354 --> 01:20:12,113
As far as I'm concerned. It's it's the

2011
01:20:12,113 --> 01:20:14,350
way that the seventies leach into the eighties.

2012
01:20:14,510 --> 01:20:17,387
It maintained the sleeves. Yeah. Well, I mean,

2013
01:20:17,467 --> 01:20:19,145
so much of what we think of as

2014
01:20:19,145 --> 01:20:19,885
the seventies

2015
01:20:20,198 --> 01:20:21,545
star wars is 77.

2016
01:20:21,782 --> 01:20:24,555
Halloween is 78. You know, it always takes

2017
01:20:24,555 --> 01:20:25,293
a decade

2018
01:20:25,664 --> 01:20:28,376
for a decade to get over its identity

2019
01:20:28,376 --> 01:20:30,597
crisis and kind of figure itself out. So

2020
01:20:30,597 --> 01:20:32,343
that, you know, it it does it does

2021
01:20:32,343 --> 01:20:34,193
kind of c coherent and corp

2022
01:20:34,565 --> 01:20:36,649
into something in, like, the first half of

2023
01:20:36,649 --> 01:20:38,747
the eighties. It does feel, like, runoff off

2024
01:20:38,886 --> 01:20:40,645
to an extent. I... I'm picking up what

2025
01:20:40,645 --> 01:20:42,582
you're putting down. Yeah. And

2026
01:20:43,042 --> 01:20:45,294
I feel like we've touched at length on

2027
01:20:45,294 --> 01:20:48,810
how not just horror movies, but every facet

2028
01:20:48,810 --> 01:20:51,608
of media and horror movies are our patch.

2029
01:20:51,768 --> 01:20:53,926
So that's where we've engaged with it most

2030
01:20:53,926 --> 01:20:54,245
directly.

2031
01:20:54,978 --> 01:20:57,786
But every area of film and television

2032
01:20:58,321 --> 01:21:01,504
has really beaten the eighties thing into the

2033
01:21:01,504 --> 01:21:05,261
ground. The eighties nostalgia thing is stranger things

2034
01:21:05,261 --> 01:21:07,096
being a big driver, but just, you know,

2035
01:21:07,256 --> 01:21:09,010
any any number of things you could point

2036
01:21:09,010 --> 01:21:09,170
to.

2037
01:21:10,127 --> 01:21:10,627
But

2038
01:21:11,083 --> 01:21:12,997
most of that stuff,

2039
01:21:14,050 --> 01:21:16,306
most of those films and Tv shows

2040
01:21:16,685 --> 01:21:20,121
don't really engage with the sleeves part of

2041
01:21:20,121 --> 01:21:23,020
it. It's more the... It's monetized...

2042
01:21:23,789 --> 01:21:26,168
It's more sanitized and, you know, they engage

2043
01:21:26,168 --> 01:21:28,072
with the sort of, at least some of

2044
01:21:28,072 --> 01:21:29,438
the time, Not all the time. But some

2045
01:21:29,438 --> 01:21:30,875
of the time they engage with the sort

2046
01:21:30,875 --> 01:21:31,854
of corporate

2047
01:21:32,790 --> 01:21:33,290
material,

2048
01:21:34,386 --> 01:21:34,886
commercial

2049
01:21:35,344 --> 01:21:36,881
aspect of the eighties

2050
01:21:37,354 --> 01:21:38,171
And so

2051
01:21:38,546 --> 01:21:41,033
that's... If still maybe sanitized,

2052
01:21:41,408 --> 01:21:44,270
it's at least got some messaging there, I

2053
01:21:44,270 --> 01:21:47,385
guess. It's not just romantic sizing the eighties,

2054
01:21:47,861 --> 01:21:50,881
purely romantic sizing it. But in terms of

2055
01:21:50,881 --> 01:21:52,231
the straight sleeves,

2056
01:21:52,965 --> 01:21:55,225
that's basically still been neglected

2057
01:21:55,604 --> 01:21:59,625
throughout this full decade we've had basically of

2058
01:21:59,685 --> 01:22:01,284
the eighties and nostalgia boom,

2059
01:22:02,019 --> 01:22:05,692
And given that Ty west has shown a

2060
01:22:05,692 --> 01:22:08,007
pretty good facility for sleeves,

2061
01:22:08,486 --> 01:22:11,360
most, obviously in the first installment in this

2062
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:13,046
range, guys, but in some of his other

2063
01:22:13,046 --> 01:22:14,661
work as well, I figured

2064
01:22:15,195 --> 01:22:18,400
okay. This is gonna hit that mark. And

2065
01:22:18,536 --> 01:22:21,420
even the surface level that shows up in

2066
01:22:21,420 --> 01:22:21,900
this movie.

2067
01:22:22,699 --> 01:22:25,739
Scratches that itch a little bit. I I

2068
01:22:25,739 --> 01:22:27,980
don't wanna completely deny credit,

2069
01:22:28,619 --> 01:22:30,632
but it could've have done it so much

2070
01:22:30,632 --> 01:22:32,783
more. I think that was well within his

2071
01:22:32,783 --> 01:22:33,181
grasp,

2072
01:22:33,739 --> 01:22:34,877
and we just didn't

2073
01:22:35,412 --> 01:22:36,528
really get that.

2074
01:22:37,340 --> 01:22:40,154
Yeah. It's it's endlessly disappointing because

2075
01:22:40,532 --> 01:22:42,368
house of the devil is my favorite to

2076
01:22:42,368 --> 01:22:44,125
hit of his films by a a huge

2077
01:22:44,125 --> 01:22:46,953
margin, and it is such a sc

2078
01:22:47,485 --> 01:22:47,985
faithful

2079
01:22:48,676 --> 01:22:49,708
slash past.

2080
01:22:50,105 --> 01:22:52,805
It's got zooms in it and and camera

2081
01:22:52,805 --> 01:22:54,338
work that feel

2082
01:22:54,870 --> 01:22:55,370
authentically

2083
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:56,340
seventies.

2084
01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:58,640
And like really I I went retro through.

2085
01:22:59,119 --> 01:23:00,880
I went out a ramble about how he

2086
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:03,255
pulls off that same kind of stuff in

2087
01:23:03,374 --> 01:23:04,172
x also.

2088
01:23:04,730 --> 01:23:04,969
Yeah.

2089
01:23:05,608 --> 01:23:07,282
And and then and, you know, the this

2090
01:23:07,282 --> 01:23:09,835
the use of the split screen is sporadically.

2091
01:23:10,073 --> 01:23:12,068
Sometimes that hits the mark sometimes it doesn't.

2092
01:23:12,626 --> 01:23:15,512
Sometimes it's carry at the prom. Sometimes it's

2093
01:23:15,512 --> 01:23:17,108
like, a wedding videographer.

2094
01:23:18,703 --> 01:23:21,015
I we're you with I don't I... I

2095
01:23:21,015 --> 01:23:23,899
mean, that's maybe unnecessarily cruel but it just

2096
01:23:23,899 --> 01:23:26,285
doesn't... I don't know how to put this

2097
01:23:26,285 --> 01:23:28,432
exactly. I think part of it is you

2098
01:23:28,432 --> 01:23:30,103
know, the the the problem with so much

2099
01:23:30,103 --> 01:23:33,166
eighties pest prestige media is that it is

2100
01:23:33,304 --> 01:23:34,761
the end result

2101
01:23:35,139 --> 01:23:36,994
of a pattern

2102
01:23:37,372 --> 01:23:37,872
of

2103
01:23:38,250 --> 01:23:41,200
nostalgic thinking that has acted as a kind

2104
01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:41,574
of

2105
01:23:42,170 --> 01:23:44,869
Si where stuff gets filtered out and stuff

2106
01:23:44,869 --> 01:23:47,012
makes it through and the stuff that is

2107
01:23:47,012 --> 01:23:47,512
homage

2108
01:23:47,966 --> 01:23:52,282
in any post stranger things, eighties Homage type

2109
01:23:52,282 --> 01:23:54,277
movie or what have you. You know, it's

2110
01:23:54,277 --> 01:23:56,032
gonna be stuff that made it through the

2111
01:23:56,032 --> 01:23:56,510
calendar.

2112
01:23:57,242 --> 01:23:58,992
And I think in order for it to

2113
01:23:58,992 --> 01:24:00,446
feel, like, authentically

2114
01:24:00,820 --> 01:24:03,365
eighties, if you wanna replicate what year to

2115
01:24:03,365 --> 01:24:04,956
say an almost fire come out because that's

2116
01:24:04,956 --> 01:24:06,760
when this is set. Is it 84

2117
01:24:07,116 --> 01:24:07,671
85.

2118
01:24:07,989 --> 01:24:09,893
If you wanted to feel like 19 85,

2119
01:24:10,210 --> 01:24:12,851
you gotta put stuff in it that nobody

2120
01:24:12,987 --> 01:24:13,487
remembers

2121
01:24:13,954 --> 01:24:15,945
you know, until they see this moving and

2122
01:24:15,945 --> 01:24:17,618
if they were alive then, they go, oh,

2123
01:24:17,856 --> 01:24:20,405
holy shit. I haven't thought about that in

2124
01:24:20,405 --> 01:24:22,657
40 years, you know? Like, that's

2125
01:24:23,049 --> 01:24:24,906
that that... That's how you make it feel

2126
01:24:24,965 --> 01:24:26,880
like an actual time capsule,

2127
01:24:27,359 --> 01:24:29,055
not by just

2128
01:24:29,673 --> 01:24:32,164
going, hey. Remember back to the future. Remember

2129
01:24:32,164 --> 01:24:34,244
this, remember that, and this movie doesn't invoke

2130
01:24:34,244 --> 01:24:36,664
back to the future. I'm talking more broadly

2131
01:24:37,125 --> 01:24:39,204
about the post stranger things, M.

2132
01:24:40,174 --> 01:24:42,554
That I've been labor under. You know, and

2133
01:24:42,554 --> 01:24:44,379
sometimes stuff makes it through the sieve in

2134
01:24:44,379 --> 01:24:45,966
a way that doesn't even make sense, Like,

2135
01:24:46,125 --> 01:24:48,524
there's a there's a scene in a stranger

2136
01:24:48,524 --> 01:24:50,282
things that bothered me and that I've seen

2137
01:24:50,282 --> 01:24:52,919
other people complaining about where they go and

2138
01:24:52,919 --> 01:24:56,355
see the thing. Notorious box office flop, the

2139
01:24:56,355 --> 01:24:58,756
thing. You know, and they're... And they, like

2140
01:24:58,756 --> 01:25:00,742
go nuts for it, which is just, like

2141
01:25:00,742 --> 01:25:03,703
that... I mean, that is a a retrospective

2142
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:05,604
thing that has been done there they are

2143
01:25:05,604 --> 01:25:08,244
not likely to have discovered that movie when

2144
01:25:08,244 --> 01:25:10,805
it was brand spanking new. It's a sleeper

2145
01:25:10,805 --> 01:25:12,164
hit, a cult classic.

2146
01:25:12,645 --> 01:25:13,704
It accrued

2147
01:25:14,020 --> 01:25:17,056
status over time. But because it has accrued

2148
01:25:17,056 --> 01:25:19,154
that status, we can just retroactively

2149
01:25:19,613 --> 01:25:21,850
say that they were there at ground 0

2150
01:25:21,850 --> 01:25:23,619
day 1. And and and it just it

2151
01:25:23,619 --> 01:25:26,164
just feels like just some kind of strange

2152
01:25:26,164 --> 01:25:29,664
time travel has taken place there again, to

2153
01:25:29,664 --> 01:25:31,909
invoke back to the future, I guess. But

2154
01:25:31,909 --> 01:25:33,850
that so that that kind of

2155
01:25:34,470 --> 01:25:37,130
superficial and that that fa aisle quality

2156
01:25:37,670 --> 01:25:38,170
is

2157
01:25:38,882 --> 01:25:41,905
it it does mar maxine in different ways.

2158
01:25:42,143 --> 01:25:43,655
And I think what it came down to

2159
01:25:43,655 --> 01:25:45,427
for me is that

2160
01:25:45,739 --> 01:25:47,739
if you want it to feel like an

2161
01:25:47,739 --> 01:25:50,219
authentically eighties product, you do have to throw

2162
01:25:50,219 --> 01:25:50,719
in

2163
01:25:51,260 --> 01:25:53,420
deep cuts and shit that did not stand

2164
01:25:53,420 --> 01:25:55,190
to the test of time. That's the first

2165
01:25:55,190 --> 01:25:56,458
thing you need to do And the second

2166
01:25:56,458 --> 01:25:58,994
thing is that... And this is a little

2167
01:25:58,994 --> 01:25:59,494
counterintuitive,

2168
01:26:00,025 --> 01:26:01,952
I think. But rather than

2169
01:26:02,657 --> 01:26:04,885
being, like, okay, How would Brian D palm

2170
01:26:04,885 --> 01:26:06,555
do this. If you want it to feel

2171
01:26:06,555 --> 01:26:08,385
like the eighties, you need to ask yourself

2172
01:26:08,385 --> 01:26:10,715
the question that Brian D palmer was asking

2173
01:26:10,771 --> 01:26:12,614
himself which is how would Hitchcock could do

2174
01:26:12,614 --> 01:26:15,238
this. You know, how would Hitchcock do this

2175
01:26:15,238 --> 01:26:16,986
if he were making 1 r or an

2176
01:26:16,986 --> 01:26:18,973
x rated movie, You know, if he had

2177
01:26:18,973 --> 01:26:20,029
that kind of latitude.

2178
01:26:20,419 --> 01:26:22,989
So if you're trying to ape the filmmakers

2179
01:26:23,364 --> 01:26:26,311
that Brian Dip palm revered, the ones from

2180
01:26:26,311 --> 01:26:28,461
his childhood. If you're making a movie,

2181
01:26:28,953 --> 01:26:31,423
that feels like the eighties, then you have

2182
01:26:31,423 --> 01:26:34,290
to ape guys who were operating in the

2183
01:26:34,290 --> 01:26:36,839
fifties, because that's the the 30 year in

2184
01:26:36,839 --> 01:26:37,636
nostalgia cycle.

2185
01:26:38,049 --> 01:26:39,557
And then you'll make a movie that feels

2186
01:26:39,557 --> 01:26:41,621
like it actually came out in 19 85,

2187
01:26:41,859 --> 01:26:42,836
not just a movie

2188
01:26:43,209 --> 01:26:44,503
made in the 20 twenties

2189
01:26:44,876 --> 01:26:47,842
that is giving us sort of a children's

2190
01:26:47,842 --> 01:26:50,959
pop up book impression of 19 85.

2191
01:26:51,359 --> 01:26:52,877
But that... That's that's not the be all

2192
01:26:52,877 --> 01:26:54,930
and Dun. It's just kind of

2193
01:26:55,289 --> 01:26:57,210
another 1 of those. There's been so many

2194
01:26:57,210 --> 01:26:59,930
movies that do that same thing. And well

2195
01:27:00,010 --> 01:27:01,770
I think we're moving on now finally.

2196
01:27:02,344 --> 01:27:04,824
To the nineties. Eventually, the eighties have to

2197
01:27:04,824 --> 01:27:06,824
be left behind. It can't just be.

2198
01:27:07,704 --> 01:27:09,784
We've were stuck to that fucking decade like

2199
01:27:09,784 --> 01:27:10,344
fly paper,

2200
01:27:11,634 --> 01:27:13,862
we're starting, I think to peel ourselves off.

2201
01:27:14,100 --> 01:27:15,770
Well, it's crazy to think there was this

2202
01:27:15,770 --> 01:27:16,270
movie

2203
01:27:16,725 --> 01:27:17,463
came out

2204
01:27:17,932 --> 01:27:19,838
7 or 8 years ago now, I don't

2205
01:27:19,838 --> 01:27:22,323
think hardly anyone saw. It was called landline,

2206
01:27:22,698 --> 01:27:24,389
and it was a nineties

2207
01:27:24,762 --> 01:27:25,819
period piece

2208
01:27:26,351 --> 01:27:27,090
kind of

2209
01:27:27,559 --> 01:27:28,619
slice of life

2210
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:31,399
thing. It had Jenny slate in it, and

2211
01:27:31,399 --> 01:27:33,500
it's about her and your younger sister

2212
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:35,171
and her parents.

2213
01:27:35,809 --> 01:27:37,403
It was all just like. This is what

2214
01:27:37,403 --> 01:27:39,235
life was like in the nineties basic. And

2215
01:27:39,314 --> 01:27:41,386
I remember thinking at the time.

2216
01:27:41,958 --> 01:27:44,351
Again, this was, like 20 16 or so.

2217
01:27:44,591 --> 01:27:46,984
When I saw that, like, oh, here we

2218
01:27:46,984 --> 01:27:49,296
are. We're doing the nineties period pieces now.

2219
01:27:49,535 --> 01:27:51,051
This is this is novel.

2220
01:27:51,703 --> 01:27:53,774
A couple years later, Joan Hill did mid

2221
01:27:53,774 --> 01:27:54,252
nineties.

2222
01:27:54,730 --> 01:27:57,040
Yeah. And we've had a little bit of

2223
01:27:57,040 --> 01:27:59,828
a drip feed of them every now and

2224
01:27:59,828 --> 01:28:03,181
again since But nothing like nothing like the

2225
01:28:03,181 --> 01:28:05,723
cultural juggernaut not. God Know.

2226
01:28:07,390 --> 01:28:10,305
The eighties thing has been going strong for

2227
01:28:10,504 --> 01:28:11,698
10:15

2228
01:28:11,698 --> 01:28:13,846
years just keeps chugging along.

2229
01:28:14,484 --> 01:28:15,939
Well, I guess we'll get

2230
01:28:16,473 --> 01:28:18,463
Ty west's take on the nineties if he

2231
01:28:18,463 --> 01:28:21,606
makes a fourth 1. Time tell the big

2232
01:28:21,664 --> 01:28:24,216
issue here, which I already harp on about

2233
01:28:24,216 --> 01:28:26,470
a good deal is that maxine

2234
01:28:26,848 --> 01:28:29,320
is just such a non entity, such a

2235
01:28:29,320 --> 01:28:30,631
nothing. Such a flimsy

2236
01:28:31,165 --> 01:28:31,665
character

2237
01:28:32,039 --> 01:28:34,662
who doesn't really stand ground except for the

2238
01:28:34,662 --> 01:28:36,729
1 time, 1 and a half times if

2239
01:28:36,729 --> 01:28:39,539
you include the 7 bacon beat down. Yeah.

2240
01:28:39,699 --> 01:28:40,840
But even that

2241
01:28:41,220 --> 01:28:44,199
feels very half baked compared to the

2242
01:28:44,899 --> 01:28:47,547
iteration of that guy's downstairs equipment.

2243
01:28:48,343 --> 01:28:48,843
It's

2244
01:28:49,695 --> 01:28:51,945
my language is getting more cartoon

2245
01:28:53,035 --> 01:28:53,671
every time.

2246
01:28:54,467 --> 01:28:55,198
Yeah that.

2247
01:28:57,506 --> 01:28:59,973
I just don't understand her. She was a

2248
01:28:59,973 --> 01:29:01,645
little bit of a wall flower in the

2249
01:29:01,645 --> 01:29:02,281
first movie.

2250
01:29:02,854 --> 01:29:05,327
X. If I remember, right, she has to

2251
01:29:05,327 --> 01:29:09,556
be sort of sweet talked into doing... Or

2252
01:29:09,556 --> 01:29:11,888
she's like she's not supposed to star in

2253
01:29:11,888 --> 01:29:13,886
the porn, and then she winds up kind

2254
01:29:13,886 --> 01:29:16,384
of getting cons scripted. She's sort of tit

2255
01:29:16,523 --> 01:29:18,921
by it. I think you're con her character

2256
01:29:18,921 --> 01:29:21,485
with Jenna Ortega. Am I? Okay. Well, yeah.

2257
01:29:21,645 --> 01:29:22,121
Big.

2258
01:29:22,519 --> 01:29:25,301
Jenna Ortega plays the sound girl, you know,

2259
01:29:25,460 --> 01:29:28,243
Boom mike operator, who... Well... She's she's the

2260
01:29:28,243 --> 01:29:30,403
1 I'm remembering. I and then her boyfriend

2261
01:29:30,403 --> 01:29:33,735
feels k by the whole thing. Yes. Okay.

2262
01:29:33,894 --> 01:29:35,957
So I I remembered that being Mia Got,

2263
01:29:36,274 --> 01:29:38,520
which is not a point in that movies

2264
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:40,675
favor, I guess, in in hindsight that the

2265
01:29:40,675 --> 01:29:43,627
more dominant character in my memory is just

2266
01:29:43,627 --> 01:29:45,632
another 1 who winds up getting off. Well,

2267
01:29:45,792 --> 01:29:46,667
she is also...

2268
01:29:47,223 --> 01:29:48,916
I mean, I I think the most popular

2269
01:29:49,211 --> 01:29:51,358
poster of x now is the 1 with

2270
01:29:51,358 --> 01:29:53,108
a big red x on it and Mia

2271
01:29:53,108 --> 01:29:55,912
go face in the or pocket of the

2272
01:29:55,912 --> 01:29:59,105
x. But I remember 1 that was making

2273
01:29:59,105 --> 01:30:00,782
the rounds around the time the movie came

2274
01:30:00,782 --> 01:30:04,156
out was Chin ortega wide open mouth

2275
01:30:04,706 --> 01:30:07,482
screaming when... I remember that scream that her

2276
01:30:07,482 --> 01:30:09,465
face con in a way that I don't

2277
01:30:09,465 --> 01:30:12,241
think I've ever seen another human being due.

2278
01:30:12,654 --> 01:30:13,154
It's...

2279
01:30:13,531 --> 01:30:15,546
It's a very arresting

2280
01:30:16,321 --> 01:30:18,633
thing to do with your bones. I just

2281
01:30:18,712 --> 01:30:21,359
I do and and and your lips. It's

2282
01:30:21,359 --> 01:30:22,420
it's like got this

2283
01:30:23,039 --> 01:30:26,000
incredible elasticity to it. It almost looks unreal.

2284
01:30:26,159 --> 01:30:27,359
I but... And that's...

2285
01:30:28,079 --> 01:30:30,652
I was just complaining some time ago about

2286
01:30:30,652 --> 01:30:32,648
the cop going into the basement mother of

2287
01:30:32,648 --> 01:30:35,282
god. She is looking and reacting to the

2288
01:30:35,282 --> 01:30:37,518
same thing. The same exact same thing. And

2289
01:30:37,518 --> 01:30:39,448
this was is just like she reacts then

2290
01:30:39,448 --> 01:30:41,759
we see it. It's just there's just 1

2291
01:30:41,759 --> 01:30:43,829
body that people keep tripping over in that

2292
01:30:43,829 --> 01:30:46,857
movie and pulling that face too. Yeah. I

2293
01:30:46,857 --> 01:30:48,585
mean, not that face because that face is

2294
01:30:48,783 --> 01:30:49,261
singular.

2295
01:30:49,738 --> 01:30:49,897
Yes.

2296
01:30:50,772 --> 01:30:52,226
This the the general

2297
01:30:52,920 --> 01:30:55,600
idea of that face. Yeah. Yes. The shot

2298
01:30:55,798 --> 01:30:56,355
and the horror.

2299
01:30:56,992 --> 01:30:59,220
So in that sense, there's a certain amount

2300
01:30:59,220 --> 01:31:02,029
of logic behind Gen Ortega character

2301
01:31:02,484 --> 01:31:04,413
sticking in your mind but, yeah, the fact

2302
01:31:04,413 --> 01:31:06,112
that features of her character

2303
01:31:06,810 --> 01:31:10,086
have just 2 years out from when we

2304
01:31:10,086 --> 01:31:11,145
watched that movie

2305
01:31:11,619 --> 01:31:15,615
sort of being super imposed onto maxine character.

2306
01:31:16,015 --> 01:31:18,332
I agree not the best sign, necessarily.

2307
01:31:19,212 --> 01:31:19,712
Her

2308
01:31:20,251 --> 01:31:23,242
deciding mid stream to give it a go

2309
01:31:23,301 --> 01:31:25,216
and get on camera in her birthday suit.

2310
01:31:25,536 --> 01:31:26,755
That feels like

2311
01:31:27,132 --> 01:31:31,139
a more protagonist coded character arc. Yes. If

2312
01:31:31,219 --> 01:31:33,380
Mia got is just already starring in it,

2313
01:31:33,939 --> 01:31:36,420
there's just not much development there outside of

2314
01:31:36,420 --> 01:31:38,659
her having to survive the night, which is

2315
01:31:38,659 --> 01:31:40,752
what the movie is really about. You know,

2316
01:31:40,912 --> 01:31:42,268
And that... That that's a, you know, a

2317
01:31:42,268 --> 01:31:45,139
trial by fire that is interesting enough. But

2318
01:31:45,299 --> 01:31:46,734
I don't know. It would feel like more

2319
01:31:46,734 --> 01:31:49,845
of a maxine origin story if we were

2320
01:31:49,845 --> 01:31:52,489
seeing her get her start in porn. It

2321
01:31:52,489 --> 01:31:53,685
would feel like, you know, in the same

2322
01:31:53,685 --> 01:31:55,756
way that Pearl feels like an origin story.

2323
01:31:55,915 --> 01:31:58,544
Like, there's nothing before that that we could

2324
01:31:58,544 --> 01:32:01,287
be is The weird thing is to my

2325
01:32:01,822 --> 01:32:03,277
recollection, it is also

2326
01:32:03,810 --> 01:32:04,310
maxine

2327
01:32:04,685 --> 01:32:07,072
start in porn. Well, it's yeah. It's a

2328
01:32:07,072 --> 01:32:09,657
very it's a very shoes string kind of

2329
01:32:09,716 --> 01:32:12,427
production. Yeah. I mean, she's been a stripper

2330
01:32:12,427 --> 01:32:14,182
for 2 or 3 years or whatever the

2331
01:32:14,182 --> 01:32:16,734
hell it's supposed to be, and the manager

2332
01:32:16,734 --> 01:32:19,543
of the strip club slash her boyfriend or

2333
01:32:19,543 --> 01:32:21,461
whatever their relationship is exactly,

2334
01:32:22,020 --> 01:32:23,778
is gonna get her to do this porn,

2335
01:32:24,257 --> 01:32:26,630
and she's all on board for that, but

2336
01:32:26,828 --> 01:32:27,328
effectively,

2337
01:32:27,859 --> 01:32:31,430
she and Jen ortega are getting their starts

2338
01:32:31,430 --> 01:32:34,050
in porn at the same time. Yeah. The

2339
01:32:34,050 --> 01:32:35,105
first half

2340
01:32:35,413 --> 01:32:37,559
at least the first act... First act to

2341
01:32:37,559 --> 01:32:39,091
first half of x

2342
01:32:39,466 --> 01:32:41,690
is still my favorite stretch of any of

2343
01:32:41,690 --> 01:32:44,834
these movies and I'm blatantly realizing that probably

2344
01:32:45,131 --> 01:32:46,726
more of that has to do with Jenna

2345
01:32:47,046 --> 01:32:49,199
Ortega than I gave her credit for. I'm

2346
01:32:49,199 --> 01:32:51,194
positive that I did not know her name

2347
01:32:51,194 --> 01:32:53,520
at the time of that recording. Because she

2348
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:54,817
sort of blew up afterward

2349
01:32:55,193 --> 01:32:57,264
as I remember with Wednesday and all that.

2350
01:32:57,582 --> 01:32:59,550
Maybe I've got that timeline wrong. I frequent

2351
01:32:59,829 --> 01:33:02,309
do. But III think she might have been

2352
01:33:02,309 --> 01:33:05,609
in scream 5 before that, and that maybe

2353
01:33:05,750 --> 01:33:08,389
it clue me into her a little earlier.

2354
01:33:09,043 --> 01:33:10,877
Okay. But I don't know. I'll bet those

2355
01:33:10,877 --> 01:33:13,191
episodes aren't that far apart, whichever 1 third

2356
01:33:13,191 --> 01:33:17,179
first. They're definitely not. Okay. Yeah. So... Oh,

2357
01:33:18,136 --> 01:33:20,707
that's right. Right? She was also in the

2358
01:33:20,707 --> 01:33:23,984
babysitter sequel killer Queen that we also did?

2359
01:33:24,224 --> 01:33:26,701
Oh, she love interest in that 1? Yeah.

2360
01:33:27,180 --> 01:33:29,424
So she she was there were 2 kind

2361
01:33:29,424 --> 01:33:32,911
of female leads. There was the blonde sam

2362
01:33:32,911 --> 01:33:36,097
are weaving replacement, and then there was the,

2363
01:33:36,177 --> 01:33:38,962
you know, Alt girl who kinda comes to

2364
01:33:38,962 --> 01:33:40,791
his rescue, and that was General Ortega.

2365
01:33:41,347 --> 01:33:43,112
Yeah. Only part of that care to I

2366
01:33:43,112 --> 01:33:44,542
remember is I think that she talks about

2367
01:33:44,542 --> 01:33:46,688
how terminator 2 is the greatest sequel of

2368
01:33:46,688 --> 01:33:48,912
all time, which is funny because Mc g

2369
01:33:48,912 --> 01:33:50,819
made a terminator movie that nobody likes.

2370
01:33:52,828 --> 01:33:55,885
It's yeah. Weirdly self facing thing to include

2371
01:33:55,944 --> 01:33:57,143
in your shitty sequel.

2372
01:33:58,501 --> 01:33:59,380
But... Yeah. And then,

2373
01:34:00,194 --> 01:34:02,911
scream 5 came out in January of 22,

2374
01:34:03,789 --> 01:34:07,065
and then x came out in March of

2375
01:34:07,065 --> 01:34:09,389
22. So they were okay very close together,

2376
01:34:09,548 --> 01:34:12,355
But on the basis of that, I had

2377
01:34:12,412 --> 01:34:14,534
made some minor note of her

2378
01:34:15,051 --> 01:34:17,512
prior to x, I guess. Yeah. Hell of

2379
01:34:17,512 --> 01:34:19,656
a weird grim that will that will haunt

2380
01:34:19,656 --> 01:34:20,292
me forever.

2381
01:34:20,689 --> 01:34:21,189
And

2382
01:34:21,641 --> 01:34:23,627
yes. That's... It's that's a... That does the

2383
01:34:23,627 --> 01:34:26,214
take way. And I I think that her,

2384
01:34:26,431 --> 01:34:28,665
you know, getting her sea legs in porn

2385
01:34:28,665 --> 01:34:31,696
is strangely touching and and kind of part

2386
01:34:31,696 --> 01:34:33,291
of what makes the first half of that

2387
01:34:33,291 --> 01:34:35,460
movie and as are arresting as it is.

2388
01:34:35,619 --> 01:34:37,693
And and it it's suspense too because they

2389
01:34:37,693 --> 01:34:40,325
feel like real people. This is my recollection

2390
01:34:40,325 --> 01:34:42,877
anyway. And no 1 in maxine is a

2391
01:34:42,877 --> 01:34:43,515
real person.

2392
01:34:44,328 --> 01:34:46,001
No 1 in pearl is a real person

2393
01:34:46,001 --> 01:34:48,790
either because it's in mel mode the whole

2394
01:34:48,790 --> 01:34:51,658
time. I guess her monologue with the water

2395
01:34:51,658 --> 01:34:53,570
works and all that is is is going

2396
01:34:53,570 --> 01:34:55,260
for kind of, I don't know, like, a,

2397
01:34:55,340 --> 01:34:57,493
like, a like, a Eugene o'neill thing going

2398
01:34:57,493 --> 01:34:59,885
for blue collar path those in sort of

2399
01:34:59,885 --> 01:35:02,198
a down to earth salt of the Earth

2400
01:35:02,198 --> 01:35:05,474
sort of way, but broadly speaking. It's pretty

2401
01:35:05,474 --> 01:35:07,778
loo tones, and Maxine is just... I mean,

2402
01:35:07,936 --> 01:35:10,717
it it goes intergalactic at the end, but

2403
01:35:10,717 --> 01:35:13,197
it's kind of been off planet Earth the

2404
01:35:13,197 --> 01:35:15,983
entire time, I think. So it's a very

2405
01:35:15,983 --> 01:35:18,609
far cry from the first part of x,

2406
01:35:18,768 --> 01:35:21,966
the first half or so, which is the

2407
01:35:21,966 --> 01:35:23,555
part of this trilogy that I like the

2408
01:35:23,555 --> 01:35:23,793
most.

2409
01:35:24,587 --> 01:35:27,233
It's just kind of rep repeat with hack

2410
01:35:27,368 --> 01:35:29,434
moments. There's 1 that we didn't talk about

2411
01:35:29,434 --> 01:35:32,334
the murder of friend in the video store

2412
01:35:32,550 --> 01:35:34,957
is inter cut with maxine

2413
01:35:35,412 --> 01:35:36,604
reading her script,

2414
01:35:37,320 --> 01:35:39,728
and the screen directions

2415
01:35:40,117 --> 01:35:41,649
seem to correlate

2416
01:35:42,023 --> 01:35:43,158
with the butcher

2417
01:35:43,689 --> 01:35:46,151
happening to her friend, but their... A framework

2418
01:35:46,151 --> 01:35:47,444
has not been established

2419
01:35:48,073 --> 01:35:50,943
wherein that would have any impact or make

2420
01:35:50,943 --> 01:35:52,399
any sense whatsoever.

2421
01:35:53,255 --> 01:35:56,146
It's just something that's done in, like meta

2422
01:35:56,459 --> 01:35:56,858
slash.

2423
01:35:57,337 --> 01:35:59,650
And and even then it feels like hack

2424
01:35:59,650 --> 01:36:02,123
shit more often than not, but here it's

2425
01:36:02,123 --> 01:36:04,448
just be below ring. Know, I mean, it

2426
01:36:04,448 --> 01:36:07,703
just... There's no reason it's a consolation with

2427
01:36:07,703 --> 01:36:08,520
no substance,

2428
01:36:08,893 --> 01:36:11,274
just direction list, and so much of the

2429
01:36:11,274 --> 01:36:13,677
movie is like that. So stuff just sticks

2430
01:36:13,677 --> 01:36:15,534
out, like a like a sore thumb

2431
01:36:15,912 --> 01:36:16,870
left right center.

2432
01:36:17,668 --> 01:36:20,063
Yeah. So my biggest problem with it is

2433
01:36:20,063 --> 01:36:23,675
that maxine herself. Is not much of a

2434
01:36:23,675 --> 01:36:26,474
presence, which flies in the face of her

2435
01:36:26,474 --> 01:36:28,154
whole. I'm a star. I'm a star thing.

2436
01:36:28,394 --> 01:36:30,489
I just can't believe that this is what

2437
01:36:30,489 --> 01:36:32,989
we've been building to. III refuse particularly

2438
01:36:33,609 --> 01:36:35,949
they they lean into it very

2439
01:36:36,569 --> 01:36:37,069
aggressively

2440
01:36:37,449 --> 01:36:40,091
if not in necessarily always effectively because we

2441
01:36:40,091 --> 01:36:42,577
had mixed feelings about pearl, but they lean

2442
01:36:42,951 --> 01:36:43,451
hard

2443
01:36:43,826 --> 01:36:47,188
into that in pearl and Yes. Pearl become

2444
01:36:47,188 --> 01:36:50,305
is her movie. Big time. It's become a

2445
01:36:50,305 --> 01:36:51,743
stan rallying cry,

2446
01:36:52,462 --> 01:36:55,113
she's a star. This is about Me seen

2447
01:36:55,113 --> 01:36:57,025
this is about mia God. That's a star

2448
01:36:57,025 --> 01:36:57,525
vehicle

2449
01:36:58,061 --> 01:36:59,018
in every sense.

2450
01:36:59,656 --> 01:37:02,206
And I just refused to believe that this

2451
01:37:02,206 --> 01:37:04,534
is what they been clamoring for. You know?

2452
01:37:04,694 --> 01:37:07,907
She's just she's barely there, and that's insurmountable,

2453
01:37:08,205 --> 01:37:09,961
and and and kind of unforgivable.

2454
01:37:10,294 --> 01:37:11,892
I think. I mean, we've covered all of

2455
01:37:11,892 --> 01:37:14,070
these these movies for the podcast.

2456
01:37:14,448 --> 01:37:16,287
And if I were more invested in them,

2457
01:37:16,526 --> 01:37:17,745
I I would feel

2458
01:37:18,297 --> 01:37:21,475
hugely betrayed by that. I'm invested just enough

2459
01:37:21,475 --> 01:37:24,097
to be peeve, you know, And kind of

2460
01:37:24,177 --> 01:37:24,893
Yeah. Flo.

2461
01:37:25,545 --> 01:37:27,801
But I can inhabit the point of view

2462
01:37:28,019 --> 01:37:28,759
of someone

2463
01:37:29,136 --> 01:37:32,170
who really wanted this to be, like, it

2464
01:37:32,170 --> 01:37:34,426
should be like Uma thurman and kill bill

2465
01:37:34,658 --> 01:37:37,153
by this point. In essence, if not in

2466
01:37:37,610 --> 01:37:39,046
execution. He doesn't have to go on the

2467
01:37:39,046 --> 01:37:41,837
war path to quite that degree. But the

2468
01:37:41,837 --> 01:37:44,070
infinity pool was a much better showcase,

2469
01:37:44,724 --> 01:37:47,518
for mia Got, kick ass and ticket names.

2470
01:37:47,997 --> 01:37:50,072
Yeah. I mean sure there's just... We know

2471
01:37:50,072 --> 01:37:51,589
she can do it. She just doesn't do

2472
01:37:51,589 --> 01:37:53,997
it here, and I don't understand why Yeah.

2473
01:37:54,237 --> 01:37:56,308
You either. It's the kind of bad movie.

2474
01:37:56,706 --> 01:37:58,778
Usually, you're watching a bad movie or a

2475
01:37:58,778 --> 01:38:01,008
boring movie and you're just checked out your

2476
01:38:01,008 --> 01:38:01,508
faces

2477
01:38:01,885 --> 01:38:02,942
Slack, placid

2478
01:38:03,411 --> 01:38:05,234
this is the kind of movie that you

2479
01:38:05,234 --> 01:38:07,849
watch with a fur brow. Like, you can

2480
01:38:07,849 --> 01:38:10,068
feel... Like I could feel my muscles working.

2481
01:38:10,559 --> 01:38:12,224
While I was watching this movie, there was

2482
01:38:12,224 --> 01:38:14,549
a mounting sense of cons,

2483
01:38:15,556 --> 01:38:17,246
you know, as it went

2484
01:38:17,713 --> 01:38:19,542
further off the rails. I felt the same

2485
01:38:19,542 --> 01:38:21,370
way when we watched last night at Soho,

2486
01:38:22,165 --> 01:38:24,788
last night in Soho. There's just this inc

2487
01:38:24,788 --> 01:38:28,308
ingenuity mounting seen upon scene. And when it's

2488
01:38:28,308 --> 01:38:28,628
over,

2489
01:38:29,347 --> 01:38:31,105
it doesn't even... It's not even the kind

2490
01:38:31,105 --> 01:38:32,464
of movie that you can let off the

2491
01:38:32,464 --> 01:38:34,542
hook by saying that it takes enough big

2492
01:38:34,542 --> 01:38:36,951
swings that you have to at least applaud.

2493
01:38:37,189 --> 01:38:39,438
It's courage because it is it is strangely

2494
01:38:39,493 --> 01:38:41,957
meek in certain regards with regards to the

2495
01:38:41,957 --> 01:38:45,070
mia Got character. As I've said, So my

2496
01:38:45,070 --> 01:38:47,769
brow remains fur road. My head is still

2497
01:38:47,769 --> 01:38:48,086
spinning.

2498
01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:48,801
I,

2499
01:38:49,594 --> 01:38:51,738
it's a it's a disappointing send off if

2500
01:38:51,738 --> 01:38:54,291
it is a send off, And... But on

2501
01:38:54,291 --> 01:38:56,034
the other hand... I've I've never said this

2502
01:38:56,034 --> 01:38:58,016
before, but I think the stands deserved better.

2503
01:38:58,176 --> 01:38:59,444
They deserve to eat better.

2504
01:39:02,238 --> 01:39:04,541
On the other hand, who loves you baby?

2505
01:39:05,494 --> 01:39:05,971
Blah.

2506
01:39:11,154 --> 01:39:12,904
As the as the the fucking... What is

2507
01:39:12,904 --> 01:39:13,643
it a lollipop?

2508
01:39:14,018 --> 01:39:16,683
Or... Yeah. You know, rolls off his tongue

2509
01:39:20,487 --> 01:39:22,215
I was I was telling Jim during the

2510
01:39:22,333 --> 01:39:24,082
break that we... That that I I was

2511
01:39:24,082 --> 01:39:25,830
confused cog jack with call check,

2512
01:39:26,863 --> 01:39:28,135
speaking of night stalker.

2513
01:39:28,850 --> 01:39:29,009
Right.

2514
01:39:29,884 --> 01:39:32,289
Night stalker of a different kind. Yeah.

2515
01:39:32,850 --> 01:39:33,590
As for

2516
01:39:33,890 --> 01:39:35,670
recommendations, I don't know. They're

2517
01:39:36,050 --> 01:39:38,229
starry eyes, I don't think is really anything

2518
01:39:38,449 --> 01:39:40,149
special, but it it is a better

2519
01:39:40,784 --> 01:39:41,763
holly weird

2520
01:39:42,222 --> 01:39:42,722
movie

2521
01:39:43,101 --> 01:39:46,137
about an aspiring Star. I was left cold

2522
01:39:46,137 --> 01:39:47,815
by it, but it is better than Maxine.

2523
01:39:48,149 --> 01:39:49,590
And I it did come to mind a

2524
01:39:49,590 --> 01:39:51,750
couple times while we were watching this movie.

2525
01:39:51,989 --> 01:39:53,670
While I was watching this movie with bees,

2526
01:39:54,229 --> 01:39:56,710
I think bees and I watched Starry eyes

2527
01:39:56,710 --> 01:39:59,350
together. I never watch horror movies alone anymore

2528
01:39:59,350 --> 01:40:01,122
or both of our appetite are ins.

2529
01:40:01,655 --> 01:40:03,244
What was the other 1? 0, not a

2530
01:40:03,244 --> 01:40:05,811
horror movie. I was going to recommend

2531
01:40:06,519 --> 01:40:10,108
spring breakers, that's my formal recommendation. Only because

2532
01:40:10,108 --> 01:40:12,581
there's a scene in it where they make

2533
01:40:12,740 --> 01:40:13,559
James Franco

2534
01:40:14,016 --> 01:40:14,894
deep throat a gun.

2535
01:40:15,771 --> 01:40:16,271
True

2536
01:40:16,662 --> 01:40:17,162
that

2537
01:40:17,932 --> 01:40:19,305
spring break forever.

2538
01:40:19,996 --> 01:40:22,934
Spring break. Yeah. Well, and the and the

2539
01:40:22,934 --> 01:40:25,094
the wrinkle in that scene that kinda makes

2540
01:40:25,094 --> 01:40:27,880
it work is that he gets into it

2541
01:40:27,880 --> 01:40:30,266
and he starts fe the barrel of the

2542
01:40:30,266 --> 01:40:32,432
gun, but it seems like, that... I mean,

2543
01:40:32,512 --> 01:40:35,724
that's a collision of of sex and death

2544
01:40:36,101 --> 01:40:39,292
where their well sparks actually fly, if only

2545
01:40:39,292 --> 01:40:40,727
for a moment. Here,

2546
01:40:41,699 --> 01:40:44,199
sex and death are, like, 2 trains barrel

2547
01:40:44,420 --> 01:40:46,260
towards each other, but then there reveals to

2548
01:40:46,260 --> 01:40:48,760
be on parallel tracks and they pass harmless

2549
01:40:48,899 --> 01:40:50,911
in the night. You got the the night

2550
01:40:50,911 --> 01:40:53,862
stalker creeping around, and and there's this general

2551
01:40:53,862 --> 01:40:54,362
ambiance

2552
01:40:54,899 --> 01:40:58,350
of seed and rotten and vulgar,

2553
01:40:58,886 --> 01:41:01,220
but it's I don't know. It's just... It's

2554
01:41:01,220 --> 01:41:02,520
just not pal

2555
01:41:03,380 --> 01:41:07,479
there. Maybe because it's got that anti evangelical

2556
01:41:07,539 --> 01:41:08,753
sla at the end of the day. And

2557
01:41:08,753 --> 01:41:10,132
so it can't actually

2558
01:41:10,591 --> 01:41:11,889
be scandal

2559
01:41:12,508 --> 01:41:13,726
by any of the to

2560
01:41:14,345 --> 01:41:15,498
because it is ultimately,

2561
01:41:16,036 --> 01:41:18,189
the the film is in league with the

2562
01:41:18,189 --> 01:41:20,901
hooker and and everybody else, the porn stars,

2563
01:41:21,140 --> 01:41:23,693
the entertainment industry. So none of that is

2564
01:41:23,693 --> 01:41:24,570
actually dangerous.

2565
01:41:25,305 --> 01:41:28,585
Because they're essentially the good guys and the

2566
01:41:28,585 --> 01:41:29,564
he norma

2567
01:41:30,425 --> 01:41:31,305
murder cult.

2568
01:41:31,864 --> 01:41:32,925
The Bible beater

2569
01:41:33,478 --> 01:41:35,467
are the bad guys. And so there's a

2570
01:41:35,467 --> 01:41:36,979
there's a... I don't know. I'm I didn't

2571
01:41:36,979 --> 01:41:39,763
mean to go on this tangent. But suffice

2572
01:41:39,763 --> 01:41:41,059
to say spring breakers

2573
01:41:41,513 --> 01:41:42,013
is

2574
01:41:42,404 --> 01:41:44,721
mean, it's it's it's it's pretty harmless. I'm

2575
01:41:44,721 --> 01:41:47,438
not saying that it's really that abrasive or

2576
01:41:47,438 --> 01:41:49,835
anything. I remember it being a good time.

2577
01:41:50,489 --> 01:41:52,403
But it it it it does have a

2578
01:41:52,403 --> 01:41:55,354
a feeling of genuine s to it. I

2579
01:41:55,354 --> 01:41:57,507
think that is missing here. But mainly, I

2580
01:41:57,507 --> 01:41:59,502
thought of it because of the the gun

2581
01:41:59,502 --> 01:42:00,194
blow job

2582
01:42:00,712 --> 01:42:02,302
not a whole lot of those in the

2583
01:42:02,302 --> 01:42:03,757
cinema. Not a

2584
01:42:04,530 --> 01:42:07,235
not a popular trope. And it's specifically, you

2585
01:42:07,235 --> 01:42:08,906
know, in both cases,

2586
01:42:09,399 --> 01:42:11,466
It's a woman with her finger on the

2587
01:42:11,466 --> 01:42:13,000
trigger making a man

2588
01:42:13,375 --> 01:42:16,396
sexually submit with suck off a gun. Yeah.

2589
01:42:16,635 --> 01:42:18,644
Yeah. Exactly. It would to to the same

2590
01:42:18,644 --> 01:42:21,061
end, basically. I mean James Franco doesn't get

2591
01:42:21,120 --> 01:42:23,538
his Na sp it, but

2592
01:42:25,115 --> 01:42:25,615
because

2593
01:42:26,010 --> 01:42:28,641
he appears to get turned on, and that's

2594
01:42:28,641 --> 01:42:30,657
kind of how he saves his own skin

2595
01:42:30,875 --> 01:42:33,507
is by matching their freak as we say

2596
01:42:33,507 --> 01:42:33,985
nowadays.

2597
01:42:34,464 --> 01:42:34,943
So... Yes.

2598
01:42:36,153 --> 01:42:36,653
So

2599
01:42:37,504 --> 01:42:39,729
I've been thinking about recommendations a little bit.

2600
01:42:40,207 --> 01:42:41,581
Obviously, we've invoked

2601
01:42:41,955 --> 01:42:44,817
Brian Palm quite a bit on that basis.

2602
01:42:45,467 --> 01:42:46,604
I can recommend

2603
01:42:46,979 --> 01:42:49,844
dressed to kill and blow out the ladder

2604
01:42:49,844 --> 01:42:52,962
of which we've also specifically mentioned, but a

2605
01:42:52,962 --> 01:42:54,493
movie that actually

2606
01:42:54,865 --> 01:42:55,921
came to mind

2607
01:42:56,531 --> 01:42:57,801
before that for me.

2608
01:42:58,514 --> 01:42:59,332
It's got

2609
01:43:00,435 --> 01:43:01,650
speaking of decades

2610
01:43:02,024 --> 01:43:04,568
washing over into the next decade. This is

2611
01:43:04,568 --> 01:43:06,396
a film that came out in 19 90,

2612
01:43:06,555 --> 01:43:08,804
but is just dripping in eighties

2613
01:43:09,434 --> 01:43:12,945
excess and the dark side of Y dumb

2614
01:43:12,945 --> 01:43:15,100
and all that. In a movie where there's...

2615
01:43:15,579 --> 01:43:17,416
It's not like a bunch of murders.

2616
01:43:18,306 --> 01:43:20,533
So it doesn't have that in common with

2617
01:43:20,533 --> 01:43:23,158
maxine, but nonetheless, I just kept going back

2618
01:43:23,158 --> 01:43:25,465
to it. It's a Curtis Hanson film called

2619
01:43:25,465 --> 01:43:26,180
bad influence.

2620
01:43:26,993 --> 01:43:29,546
It stars, Rob and James Spade.

2621
01:43:30,264 --> 01:43:31,641
James Spade plays

2622
01:43:32,019 --> 01:43:33,556
a sort of ne

2623
01:43:33,869 --> 01:43:36,047
Yep, who meets this

2624
01:43:36,426 --> 01:43:38,503
strange sort of bras,

2625
01:43:38,903 --> 01:43:39,722
devil maker,

2626
01:43:40,421 --> 01:43:43,545
ne well. Played by Rob lowe, who kind

2627
01:43:43,545 --> 01:43:46,650
of gets him to embrace his darker impulses.

2628
01:43:46,969 --> 01:43:49,198
Hell, yeah. I haven't seen that. I have

2629
01:43:49,198 --> 01:43:51,677
seen the bedroom. Window by Curtis Hanson, which

2630
01:43:51,677 --> 01:43:53,742
is sort of a poor man's diploma of

2631
01:43:53,742 --> 01:43:56,045
that period sort of yeah hit talk thing.

2632
01:43:56,521 --> 01:43:58,904
I also thought of bedroom window, which I

2633
01:43:58,904 --> 01:44:01,708
also like, Me too. Interestingly, I'm seeing on

2634
01:44:01,708 --> 01:44:04,421
the Wikipedia article for bad influence that it's

2635
01:44:04,421 --> 01:44:05,161
the first

2636
01:44:05,778 --> 01:44:08,744
screen play on which David C received a

2637
01:44:08,744 --> 01:44:11,695
solo credit. So that's mildly interesting.

2638
01:44:12,253 --> 01:44:15,762
U. But, yeah, Curtis Hanson, cool guy. He

2639
01:44:15,762 --> 01:44:17,453
will always have a special place in my

2640
01:44:17,453 --> 01:44:19,069
heart for La

2641
01:44:19,447 --> 01:44:22,158
confidential, 1 of my favorite films bad influence

2642
01:44:22,158 --> 01:44:24,791
is a good time. So because he's very

2643
01:44:24,791 --> 01:44:27,515
very dependable. I've yet to see Curtis movie

2644
01:44:27,515 --> 01:44:28,652
that just didn't

2645
01:44:29,027 --> 01:44:30,697
didn't work. That that that fails to please.

2646
01:44:30,856 --> 01:44:33,083
I mean, we watched... We kicked off this

2647
01:44:33,083 --> 01:44:35,230
year's movie about May with River Wild.

2648
01:44:35,724 --> 01:44:37,399
Which was a a pretty good time. Yeah.

2649
01:44:37,637 --> 01:44:39,632
I like hand that rocks the cradle, a

2650
01:44:39,632 --> 01:44:42,104
fair bit. Yeah. I haven't seen Wonder boys,

2651
01:44:42,264 --> 01:44:44,737
but I hear that's good. I like wonder

2652
01:44:44,737 --> 01:44:44,975
boys.

2653
01:44:45,788 --> 01:44:47,564
So, yeah. I mean it's just

2654
01:44:47,942 --> 01:44:50,493
a list of solid or better outing.

2655
01:44:50,971 --> 01:44:53,682
So our maxine episode ended the only way

2656
01:44:53,682 --> 01:44:56,435
it could have with you a career

2657
01:44:56,895 --> 01:45:00,095
retrospective. A brian or Palmer and Curtis Hanson.

2658
01:45:03,066 --> 01:45:05,529
Which sort of should tell you how uni

2659
01:45:05,529 --> 01:45:08,787
inspired we feel by Ty west's latest offering.

2660
01:45:08,945 --> 01:45:10,694
I a lot of people are are bang

2661
01:45:10,694 --> 01:45:13,489
for his blood I'm not gonna join that

2662
01:45:13,649 --> 01:45:15,556
Chorus just because I do like house of

2663
01:45:15,556 --> 01:45:16,589
the devil so much,

2664
01:45:17,304 --> 01:45:20,181
but Maxine is not a viable path forward.

2665
01:45:20,579 --> 01:45:22,807
It's not a viable path forward, but I

2666
01:45:22,807 --> 01:45:24,877
agree that it's number 1, house of the

2667
01:45:24,877 --> 01:45:27,025
devil is great and number 2, as much

2668
01:45:27,025 --> 01:45:28,034
as we've spent

2669
01:45:28,393 --> 01:45:31,279
about 2 hours now bag on maxine.

2670
01:45:32,052 --> 01:45:34,699
It is not such an un mitigated

2671
01:45:35,407 --> 01:45:36,304
top to bottom

2672
01:45:36,915 --> 01:45:40,011
fucking disaster that I would call for Ty

2673
01:45:40,011 --> 01:45:41,996
west to be tar and feather on its

2674
01:45:41,996 --> 01:45:44,194
account. Well, Seems excessive

2675
01:45:44,633 --> 01:45:46,227
Part of it is that the x and

2676
01:45:46,227 --> 01:45:49,517
pearl fan base have been working their Ke

2677
01:45:49,574 --> 01:45:51,908
off, trying to get those films canon.

2678
01:45:52,778 --> 01:45:54,926
You know, trying to get them into the

2679
01:45:54,926 --> 01:45:57,868
hall of Fame, l split. And so there's

2680
01:45:57,868 --> 01:45:58,926
there's there's some

2681
01:45:59,872 --> 01:46:01,884
Yes. So there's some pent up an

2682
01:46:02,737 --> 01:46:04,668
brewing here and some backlash.

2683
01:46:05,122 --> 01:46:08,560
So now because maxine, is not particularly good.

2684
01:46:09,198 --> 01:46:12,225
We can now knock all 3 off their

2685
01:46:12,225 --> 01:46:13,738
pedestal. And I didn't think that the first

2686
01:46:13,738 --> 01:46:15,012
2 were on a pedestal to begin with,

2687
01:46:15,171 --> 01:46:17,733
but I have in my usual doctor Manhattan

2688
01:46:17,733 --> 01:46:19,086
fashion. I take a very,

2689
01:46:20,279 --> 01:46:21,494
very zoomed out

2690
01:46:21,869 --> 01:46:22,267
perspective.

2691
01:46:22,998 --> 01:46:25,305
The long arc of film history. You know,

2692
01:46:25,464 --> 01:46:26,918
I'm I'm I'm I'm typically

2693
01:46:27,293 --> 01:46:28,032
un moved

2694
01:46:28,487 --> 01:46:31,842
by... I don't know horror film Twitter's sense

2695
01:46:31,842 --> 01:46:33,989
of what's an instant classic and what isn't

2696
01:46:33,989 --> 01:46:36,853
it? Or any part of film Twitter, basically

2697
01:46:36,932 --> 01:46:40,362
Any anytime I'm maybe a little less doctor

2698
01:46:40,758 --> 01:46:42,502
Manhattan than you are, but at the end

2699
01:46:42,502 --> 01:46:44,644
of the day, and this isn't even limited

2700
01:46:44,644 --> 01:46:47,845
to film Twitter. It's just film criticism or

2701
01:46:47,845 --> 01:46:51,284
even film promotion in general anytime, something says

2702
01:46:51,284 --> 01:46:51,445
like,

2703
01:46:52,244 --> 01:46:55,145
instant classic, a bold new voice

2704
01:46:55,698 --> 01:46:58,010
star making performance and I'm was just like,

2705
01:46:59,206 --> 01:46:59,525
maybe,

2706
01:47:00,322 --> 01:47:01,040
time will tell.

2707
01:47:01,677 --> 01:47:05,201
Yes. I'm far from convinced just right off

2708
01:47:05,201 --> 01:47:05,679
the bat.

2709
01:47:06,556 --> 01:47:07,614
Yeah. History

2710
01:47:07,990 --> 01:47:09,665
be will be the final ar.

2711
01:47:10,302 --> 01:47:12,296
Why can't we just... And I go on

2712
01:47:12,296 --> 01:47:15,755
this fucking rant if I talk about Ph

2713
01:47:16,130 --> 01:47:18,676
beyond baseball players too. It's like, oh,

2714
01:47:19,551 --> 01:47:21,715
all time great. It's like, he's played a

2715
01:47:21,715 --> 01:47:22,833
hundred and 30 games.

2716
01:47:23,393 --> 01:47:24,511
Just wait and see.

2717
01:47:25,150 --> 01:47:25,310
Right.

2718
01:47:26,429 --> 01:47:28,347
I think it's just just... You know, I

2719
01:47:28,347 --> 01:47:30,025
part of it is just people being younger

2720
01:47:30,025 --> 01:47:32,275
and having seen fewer things, and they did

2721
01:47:32,275 --> 01:47:32,775
didn't

2722
01:47:33,154 --> 01:47:35,229
start the way I did, just working my

2723
01:47:35,229 --> 01:47:37,145
way through the A I top 100, and

2724
01:47:37,145 --> 01:47:38,740
the I top 02:50.

2725
01:47:39,474 --> 01:47:41,465
And in a in... They shoot pictures, don't

2726
01:47:41,465 --> 01:47:43,773
they? Yeah. If it's top 1000.

2727
01:47:44,171 --> 01:47:45,604
I was just very, you know, yeah. I

2728
01:47:45,604 --> 01:47:47,355
mean so III have... I I came up.

2729
01:47:47,689 --> 01:47:49,200
In a different time. I was it was

2730
01:47:49,200 --> 01:47:51,109
it was an isolated endeavor. I didn't know

2731
01:47:51,109 --> 01:47:52,541
the meaning of the word cloud, and I

2732
01:47:52,541 --> 01:47:54,132
sort of still don't. But anyway, this is

2733
01:47:54,132 --> 01:47:54,291
not.

2734
01:47:55,024 --> 01:47:56,942
U. This is not about me. This is

2735
01:47:56,942 --> 01:47:59,179
just, I think I often feel And I've

2736
01:47:59,179 --> 01:48:02,055
lament this in in past episodes. Often feel

2737
01:48:02,055 --> 01:48:04,710
out of step with consensus. Now. We got

2738
01:48:04,710 --> 01:48:07,050
so many, whatever you wanna call it elevated

2739
01:48:07,189 --> 01:48:09,109
horror movies now, which is the sort of

2740
01:48:09,109 --> 01:48:11,512
thing. I used to feel, like getting drops

2741
01:48:11,512 --> 01:48:13,581
of water in a desert. Whenever a movie

2742
01:48:13,581 --> 01:48:15,808
like that would come out. And now they're

2743
01:48:15,808 --> 01:48:18,295
just sort of the order of... You're. Now

2744
01:48:18,295 --> 01:48:20,769
you're drowning in a hurricane. Yes. I'm taking

2745
01:48:20,769 --> 01:48:22,365
the I... I can afford to take them

2746
01:48:22,365 --> 01:48:24,280
for granted now, and I can afford to

2747
01:48:24,280 --> 01:48:27,001
be a little more discerning, and I I

2748
01:48:27,001 --> 01:48:29,466
don't see that same discernment in a lot

2749
01:48:29,466 --> 01:48:30,125
of other

2750
01:48:30,658 --> 01:48:30,976
autos.

2751
01:48:31,613 --> 01:48:33,773
Shall we say of horror and I I

2752
01:48:33,773 --> 01:48:35,835
think that it's there's just there's just a

2753
01:48:35,835 --> 01:48:37,896
glut, and I think in a glut, you

2754
01:48:37,896 --> 01:48:39,958
need to... I don't know. Have a sense

2755
01:48:39,958 --> 01:48:40,855
of perspective

2756
01:48:41,163 --> 01:48:43,394
But anyway, people are not having that conversation

2757
01:48:43,394 --> 01:48:45,545
about Maxine. I think Maxine is pretty much

2758
01:48:45,545 --> 01:48:48,252
widely regarded as a mis fire, but people

2759
01:48:48,252 --> 01:48:50,658
were very much having that conversation about x

2760
01:48:50,658 --> 01:48:52,971
and pearl, which is why certain quarters have

2761
01:48:52,971 --> 01:48:55,284
their knives out for maxine because Ty west

2762
01:48:55,364 --> 01:48:58,635
Fa. And it's an over correction. Exactly, which

2763
01:48:58,635 --> 01:48:59,910
is so often the case.

2764
01:49:00,481 --> 01:49:01,537
Over compensatory?

2765
01:49:02,386 --> 01:49:02,624
Yeah.

2766
01:49:03,894 --> 01:49:06,457
Well, now that we've crane off

2767
01:49:06,908 --> 01:49:07,408
into

2768
01:49:07,718 --> 01:49:09,787
the starry. That is how they felt.

2769
01:49:11,140 --> 01:49:12,993
I am sitting on Mars

2770
01:49:14,960 --> 01:49:16,972
or making a palace of glass

2771
01:49:19,917 --> 01:49:22,072
Until next time, I'm Jim Smith.

2772
01:49:22,789 --> 01:49:24,385
I'm Matt Ge Daisy.

2773
01:49:25,037 --> 01:49:26,625
And we are the shock doctors.

2774
01:49:27,498 --> 01:49:28,371
We'll see you later.

2775
01:49:31,388 --> 01:49:33,412
As always, we have some acknowledgment.

2776
01:49:34,183 --> 01:49:36,408
Our music was composed by Will Connor.

2777
01:49:37,202 --> 01:49:39,450
Audio for the bumper was taken from maxine

2778
01:49:39,904 --> 01:49:42,229
official trailer Hd a 24,

2779
01:49:42,948 --> 01:49:43,767
uploaded by

2780
01:49:44,306 --> 01:49:45,185
a 24.

2781
01:49:45,984 --> 01:49:47,103
All rights reserved.

2782
01:49:47,982 --> 01:49:49,740
Our next episode will be up on Sunday,

2783
01:49:49,980 --> 01:49:52,219
July 20 first, and we will be discussing

2784
01:49:52,378 --> 01:49:53,909
Os Perkins viral

2785
01:49:54,282 --> 01:49:54,520
sensation,

2786
01:49:55,234 --> 01:49:55,868
long legs.

2787
01:49:56,979 --> 01:49:57,510
See that first