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Hello, and welcome to another episode of the

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shock doctor's podcast. I'm Jim Smith.

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I am Matt J daisy.

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And we are the shock doctors.

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In this episode, we're going to be discussing

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a quiet place day 1,

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which, as you might have guessed from the

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title,

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is a pre quote to the first 2

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quiet place films.

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Yeah. The day 1 pro log was the

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best and arguably only,

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especially good part of the second 1.

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Sure. And it's... I think you know, a

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valid point of entry for a, you know,

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a new

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office gym filmmaker

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to step in and tell a new story.

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I think that it's it's it's obviously where...

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There's a lot of action. There's a there's

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a lot of meant a lot of shit

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hitting the fan, which is both good and

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bad, I think, although this movie still has,

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as you'd expect a good deal of quiet

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time.

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By the guy who did pig, so it's

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got a little bit of an indie sen

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character study sort of thing. Yeah. It's not

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as bombastic.

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As I feared it would be given that

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it's set entirely on day 1 or, you

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know, like, day 2 and day 3, however,

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long first week. First few days. But and

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also be kind of New York.

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Right. Well, yeah. So

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congested urban center

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day 1, and the trailer that I kept

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seeing

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was very balls to the wall. So I

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didn't expect to, like this at all although

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though I liked pig a lot,

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And it's been getting good reviews, and I

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liked it okay. I... I've been Lukewarm on

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this whole franchise. There are things

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that I like more about this 1, things

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I like a little less about it. It's

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certainly better than the second 1. Yeah. I

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know. Yeah. IIIII

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like it just fine. It's got Lap in

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the an. She's really good in this and

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consistently. Pretty much everything.

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Just as you've been generally pretty lukewarm on

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this franchise. I have been, you know, a

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notch or 2 more favorably

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disposed toward it.

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suspect that's about where we're gonna fall on

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this 1.

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This is the same the same margin as

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what? Yeah. Pretty much.

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Set your watch by it. Well, that's that's

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comforting in its own way. Yeah. And this

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crazy fucked up world.

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Another thing you can set your watch by

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is it's a movie where quiet is at

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least at times paramount.

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I had

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yammer

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behind me.

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Whom I wanted to murder.

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it just...

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They were definitely watching

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And I want. I wanted

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a quiet place monster to come by

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and eat them. And just, yeah, turned them

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into into spaghetti. Yeah.

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That's a that's a appalling. That's a that's

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a horrifying

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I'm I'm sorry. The screen

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was not simultaneously

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playing subway surfers,

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but some of us paid

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15 50 to watch this fucking movie in

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Imax and didn't need to listen to your

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crap.

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and away. I mean, that's a serious in

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fraction in my view,

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but it's another thing to have another device

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that is not only on, but playing audio.

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I mean, that's generating noises.

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That's like a that... Like that calls for

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a kangaroo court.

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A hasty trial followed by a public execution,

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you've got to make an example of these

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ne wells. The problem that I run into

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with situations like this

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is I wanna go outside and find a

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theater employee and say, like, these people are

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being incredibly disruptive,

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please do something But then her employee would

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be a zoom himself, you know, and well

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just you're, like Veronica kart right at the

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end of invasion of the body snatch signatures.

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It's like, who do you turn to? Yeah.

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for sure, sir, I'll do that, and then

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that walk up there and say, yeah, that

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that 30 something

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boomer, quote, on, unquote, over there.

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really give a shit, but I had to

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come over here and say something.

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But the bigger issue is not necessarily that

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the theater employee will fail to do anything

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or fail to accomplish anything. That's part of

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it. But also,

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then I would have to get up and

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miss part of the move Right. So, you

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know, you you make that

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calculation like, okay, do I wanna take the

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chance that I can improve the rest of

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the viewing experience

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by sacrificing a couple minutes here in the

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middle of the movie?

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it out and almost without fail, I ride

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it out.

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error it. I do the same thing. I

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did the same thing. Last time I had

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a noisy element in my theater was dune

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too. Is it too

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action like they were, you know, in their

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own home But they didn't have their fucking

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phones out. There were older guys, and so

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that I could almost live with. But in

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your situation I don't even know what I

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would have done. It's the kind of thing

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that's so fragrant that you can't even... You

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know, is it you're just... You know that

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they feel no shame. You know. No. And

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it's it's... There's nothing you can do to

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lay down the law

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in a situation like that. Again, I shu

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them and that kinda worked

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at first, but even initially, I could hear

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them kind of giggling. And I'm like, oh,

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okay. Right. I just became in their eyes

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87 years old, and they absolutely did not

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take me seriously, but maybe I got a

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little something for the moment. I'm always seeing

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people tweeting and and and so on about

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how movie theater Etiquette is

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dead as a door.

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And it's hard to say because it is

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all just anecdotal, but it it it does

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seem like there's just a divergence

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happening here. It's like when humans

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split off from pro humans, you know? It's

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like it's like that ne movie we watched

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where they're, like, both humanoid, but not actually

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the same species. That's how I feel occasionally

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in movie theaters when someone just lack all

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decor?

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you bridge this gap? You know, how do

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you reach across this divide and and and

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make this person understand.

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They're they're getting off light

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that you Yeah. Anything you could do to

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them is far less than they deserve. Well,

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again, it's just it's particularly gall in this

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Where sound is so important,

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and there are times where it's supposed to

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ideally quiet enough to hear a pin drop

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in theater.

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whatnot. Yeah. Feeling under stimulated no doubt I've

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seen a lot of... And we haven't covered

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this movie yet. I imagine we'll use it

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to patch a hole in our schedule should

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such a miraculous event ever occur.

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But right but that so called

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slow cinema slash or move from a month

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or 2 ago has been getting flack now

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that it's hit digital because Slash fan and,

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you know, people are watching it on shutter

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or wherever it wound up. And don't know

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how to deal with the ap chat on

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where set the cool of it all.

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And And and and you know... And I

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haven't I haven't seen the move v, I

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would, hold off on watching it on until

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we work gonna cover it, I guess. So,

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you know, maybe it's an annoying gimmick. I

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can't say if it actually works in practice,

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but it is the sort of such situation

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where... Yeah. And my own attention span has

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been fucking decimated by his smartphones. You know,

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I'm not immune. I feel myself just cognitive

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functioning differently

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than I did when I was a teenager.

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Yeah. You know, when I was impossible to

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get a ahold It was a running joke.

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I I had a cell phone, a dead

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cell phone in my locker all year, you

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know, like, a junior year year. I think

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it was Yeah. It's forgot that it was

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even there, because I liked I liked not

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being reachable. Yeah. And now, you know, I've

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I've got I've got a welded to my

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hand practically same as everybody else. So I'm

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not trying to be old man yells at

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cloud about it. Inevitably, it is gonna come

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across that way. But I think that any

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movie that's even a little bit challenging these

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days in terms of quiet time or a

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slow burn approach is is going to just

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break like a wave upon the ind rock

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of

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what Tiktok has brought.

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And, you know, cell phones and then technology,

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Youtube, all of it. I have a counter

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point though, and this is what I was

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building up to is couple weeks ago, I

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went and saw

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bad boys, ride or die. Okay. Which is

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the polar opposite of a challenging,

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potentially under stimulating

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film viewing experience. Yeah. Not much risk of

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being under stimulated. Did in that theater I'd

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wage. And you're you're saying they were equally

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ill mannered. They were worse.

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There were there was there was somebody... There

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was a like a family

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in my row, like, down the row for

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me. 1 of them had like a ring

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light phone case if that makes sense? So

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it's it's not quite a ring light. It's,

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you know, like a rectangular box light, but

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it's a light around the frame. Like around

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the rim. Around the rim of the phone,

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and and it was on.

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The phone was out, and it was on.

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And then the 1 at the end of

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the group nearest to me

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she had her phone out, and then she'd,

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like, let it kinda drop to her side

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facing me, and the screen was just white.

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It it it was like a flashlight was

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being specifically shine in my eyes while I

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was trying to watch this movie.

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and finally,

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I said

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out outside the phone just a just a

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portal to whatever fucking awful void. They hail

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from. You know, they were just... They were

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trying to get back in touch with their

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own kind

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to no avail seemingly.

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So I finally had to say, excuse me,

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could you please turn that off?

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And

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she was a hair away, I think,

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from

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standing up and yelling at me for having

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the t

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to ask her to do that. And I

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I didn't use any profanity

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I didn't insult her. I just asked her

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to turn off. Again, in my mind, her

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stupid fucking phone.

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But, you know, out loud, your phone or

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that or whatever exactly I said. But, yeah,

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as it was, she was mu to her

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seller

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like, who who the fuck are you?

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Look at this H Toy asshole who left

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his glowing white wreck tang at home.

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It's like... It's like you're not even you're

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not even playing angry birds. Or whatever the

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fuck? You're not even... You just what an

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asshole. What are you getting out of like

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device? It's like, I'm sorry you don't know

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the screen

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dea

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button on your phone. You just, like,

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anytime you stop looking at your phone for,

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however long, you just

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wait for it to eventually time out. That's

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the only way you've ever shut off your

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screen, I guess.

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That's probably yeah. That's probably it in her

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mind. It it was not on and you

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because it wasn't... Because it's light was not

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angled

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directly into her corn

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as it as it was yours.

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So

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that's... Well, it serves me right for trying

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to get d

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about it. There probably is no

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organizing principle

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here. You know, it's not strictly a generational

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thing. It's just a a jungle. Yeah. It's

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just

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civilization is assess pool, and

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it's over.

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We're already dead.

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Speaking of which

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we open

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in a support group

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for terminal cancer patients, Do I have that

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right? So Sam, I believe is her name,

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Neon character

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is not already dead but on the brink

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and In her mind, kind of Yeah. Already

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dead. A lost cause. And obviously, there are

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a few kind of car horn

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lines of dialogue in the first 5 to

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10 minutes that kind of indicate. Alright. So

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she's gonna have this trajectory where she's sort

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of in the midst of all this death

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and destruction. She's going to learn to appreciate

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life that writings on the wall That's fine.

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I guess, the 2 lines

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that follow hot on the heels of that

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opening support group scene that gave me that,

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like,

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Kinda feeling

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was she's talking to a nurse male nurse

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friend of hers named Ruben.

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And

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we're treated to a bit of coworker banter.

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But it's playful. I don't remember what ins

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indicates it, but she says, oh, I'm a

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very mean person. I think that she was

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snip at another patient or I don't remember

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the details. Well, she she was compelled or,

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like, borderline

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compelled into sharing

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an in progress poem that she wrote. The

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theme of which was shit.

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Right. And and I think the snip in

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particular that was being called out was that

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she made a crack about 1 of the

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members of the support group does a funny

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walk when he's trying to hide the fact.

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That he has shitting his pants.

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Right.

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Now it's all coming back to me. Anyway,

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he she she out and says, I'm a

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very mean person.

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And you're... It's almost an inverse

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save the cat kind of thing, which is

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funny because she spends this entire movie du

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taking care of a cat. You know? That's

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a... Quiet cat ever. Yeah. The most ob

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b

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saint like cat in golf creation.

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Spoiler alert

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the cat makes it all the way through

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the movie. Yeah. I figured when it was

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readable. I figured when it was first introduced

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that it was a fucking gone that there

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was gonna be some situation where

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the cat was making noise, and so she

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would have to distance herself from it. And

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it would be an extension of the... What,

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you know, what I call the inverse save

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the cat, a very literal

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inverse shit

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of that trope. But anyway, her branding herself

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as not very nice, I think is kind

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of meant to indicate that she's maybe not

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in terms of being physically hardy because she

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has terminal, but, you know, that... In terms

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of her disposition, maybe she has what it

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takes to survive the apocalypse that she's a

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little bit prick. And I think they kind

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of have to establish

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that prick ness because

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she's so devoted to this cat, which does

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imp survive the entire movie. So we're it

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not for these lines and and these bits

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of behavior

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to sorta of suggest

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that she is a bit of a a

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bit cold, yeah, then we would just think

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that she was Florence and Nightingale or somebody.

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Oh, saint. Yes. So they kind... Because because

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of they they have to mitigate the cat

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stuff, and I think that's a lot of

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this dialogue is coming from. I'm a very

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mean person.

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And then the next line is he asks

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her

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along on this excursion

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of some kind, other with other patients and

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hospital staff. And they're trying to make plans,

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and she says, I could be dead by

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then. She's talking about cancer, of course, but

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little does she know, they could all be

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dead by then, You know, Right mentality is

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about to become a much more commonplace place

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concern, and that was the other car horn

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moment for me in this 1 scene alone,

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but it's not obnoxious. Just... It it does

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it calls attention to itself, but it it

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not in a way that, like, brings the

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movie to a screeching halt. It's just a

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little bit cheeky.

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Yeah. So she winds up being c into

430
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going out into the city. The carrot that

431
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ruben dang in front of her is pizza.

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It would work on me, it would work

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on many of us. Anti social tendencies be

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damned. And she realizes that she's been dupe

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slightly

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and

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Shanghai

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to this

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Marion net show that she doesn't have any

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interest in, but then she winds up being

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a little bit enchanted by it And indeed,

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the whole audience is just in rapture. The

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film's first jump scare is a a balloon

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popping, a balloon inflated by a puppet,

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and it elicit gaps from the audience, the

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in movie audience, at least. And when they

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emerge from the theater, a crisis is already

448
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a foot traffic is at a standstill, and

449
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the group is has being summoned back to

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the hospital because something is going on, and

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they don't know quite what and not long

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after

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all hell breaks loose. She gets knocked out,

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the

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particulars escaped me, but she comes to covered

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in ash, the very striking image. Cutting back

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from a black screen. Very 09:11,

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very evo of... Well, I mean, being

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A person who media everything through movies. I

460
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thought of 09:11

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itself second...

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And Spielberg war of the world's first

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even though that movie is steep in 09:11

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imagery. It feels the most like war of

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the world's

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than, you know,

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almost any other movie that I could point

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to. It's got that kind of grounded

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blue collar ruins of the world trade center

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kind of ambient

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Gray thing going for it, which I initially

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liked very much. I mean, I like it

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in war of the worlds and it an

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I like to hear as well. She's back

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in the theater where they saw the puppet

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show and pretty ex ex.

477
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Which is good because this is the third

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movie.

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She is made to understand not to make

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any noise. It... It's helpful that she's knocked

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out And then when she comes to,

482
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everyone else has already figured this out. There's

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no scene of her putting it together

484
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which would have been annoying when this is

485
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our third housing because we're already old pros.

486
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Yeah. She she gets hand signaled into this

487
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realization by J Han for those of you

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who either listened to the episode we did

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on Quiet place part 2 or perhaps saw

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that film

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was

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introduced in that film. I was trying to

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remember if I was man

494
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myself or if he was actually in that

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I kept forgetting he was in this 1

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when he showed up at the end on

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the boat. I was like, oh, yeah. Right.

498
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Well, yeah. I was definitely expecting when he

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would you know, because he shows up... He's

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in the row ahead of her with his

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family at the Marion show. He's around for

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the duration of

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that setting, you know, that theater. And then

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once Sam

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leaves

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that place. We don't see him again until

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the very end of the film. And, yeah,

508
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I was wondering, like, okay, They folded him

509
00:19:55,519 --> 00:19:57,992
back into this 1. That's kinda cool. Maybe

510
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we'll see more of him

511
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or maybe not.

512
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This seems like a weird choice.

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Crucially,

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prior to everything turning into an alien blood

515
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bath they, take a rain check on pizza

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because they're being summoned back to the hospital

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post taste.

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And Lap The is not standing for that.

519
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And I and I I completely understand because

520
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any of us could step off the curb

521
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and get hit by a cement truck and

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not get that slice of pizza that we

523
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promised, but she, in particular has reason to

524
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think that her days are numbered.

525
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And the only reason she came out and

526
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sat through that Goddamn puppet show was for

527
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her slice of Za, and she's gonna get

528
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it in, you know, this trip to the

529
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city, not tomorrow not next week today. And

530
00:20:42,961 --> 00:20:45,079
this, like, carp diem mentality

531
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about pizza in specific, kind of does more

532
00:20:49,981 --> 00:20:52,053
to shape the plot of this movie than

533
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you might think.

534
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It it it turns into... She does get

535
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her bite of pizza pie.

536
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Before we roll credits, and it's not the

537
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main

538
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thrust of the narrative, but it's not

539
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incidental either. You. It's kind of funny, how

540
00:21:10,661 --> 00:21:12,496
much of this movie is just about her

541
00:21:12,496 --> 00:21:14,571
trying to get that slice of pizza that

542
00:21:14,571 --> 00:21:17,139
she sat through that puppet show for. I

543
00:21:17,139 --> 00:21:18,498
don't know even know what I would like

544
00:21:18,498 --> 00:21:20,176
in it too. It's kind of a bold

545
00:21:20,176 --> 00:21:22,035
move because it's the sort of thing

546
00:21:22,414 --> 00:21:23,932
that you would put in a in a

547
00:21:23,932 --> 00:21:25,930
in a comedy. It'd be more at home

548
00:21:25,930 --> 00:21:28,502
in, like, a back the block or something

549
00:21:28,502 --> 00:21:30,579
like that, something where you're like, you're fighting

550
00:21:30,579 --> 00:21:32,577
aliens, but it's, like, kinda played for laughs

551
00:21:32,577 --> 00:21:34,335
a little bit more. Like, or worlds end,

552
00:21:34,908 --> 00:21:36,499
maybe where they're doing the where they're doing

553
00:21:36,499 --> 00:21:38,805
the bar crawl. You know, they gotta finish

554
00:21:38,805 --> 00:21:41,271
that bar crawl even though the apocalypse is

555
00:21:41,271 --> 00:21:42,783
upon them. You gotta get that slice of

556
00:21:42,783 --> 00:21:43,283
pizza

557
00:21:43,594 --> 00:21:45,846
for some reason, this doesn't have the apocalypse

558
00:21:46,143 --> 00:21:49,250
angle to it, but just talking about this,

559
00:21:49,409 --> 00:21:51,321
what popped into my head was, I wasn't

560
00:21:51,321 --> 00:21:53,248
even supposed to be here today. It's like

561
00:21:53,248 --> 00:21:54,205
a clerk thing.

562
00:21:55,721 --> 00:21:57,635
Yeah. It it does... And and and that

563
00:21:57,635 --> 00:22:00,448
it's a Kevin Smith quest. Well the

564
00:22:01,543 --> 00:22:02,795
and that gets back to

565
00:22:03,310 --> 00:22:06,645
Michael Sa is kind of indie leaning, I

566
00:22:06,645 --> 00:22:08,257
think. It's a unaffected

567
00:22:08,789 --> 00:22:09,289
protagonist

568
00:22:09,741 --> 00:22:11,488
for a movie like this. But it's not

569
00:22:11,488 --> 00:22:14,283
like The first 2 movies were very father's

570
00:22:14,283 --> 00:22:16,269
knows best. And I complained about this during

571
00:22:16,269 --> 00:22:18,017
the episode we did on the second 1.

572
00:22:18,255 --> 00:22:20,894
First 1 pre the podcast. I'm almost positive.

573
00:22:21,214 --> 00:22:23,634
And I was annoyed at the second 1

574
00:22:23,774 --> 00:22:26,494
because Jim died in the first movie,

575
00:22:27,134 --> 00:22:27,954
John P presents

576
00:22:28,428 --> 00:22:31,217
and I figured all girl. I died. I

577
00:22:31,217 --> 00:22:31,774
died to.

578
00:22:36,396 --> 00:22:39,519
III brought him back in using Frankenstein and

579
00:22:39,519 --> 00:22:41,374
s and, you know, shock doctor

580
00:22:42,149 --> 00:22:42,627
magic.

581
00:22:43,823 --> 00:22:44,221
And

582
00:22:44,939 --> 00:22:47,347
so III figured okay, based on the way

583
00:22:47,347 --> 00:22:49,582
the first movie ended, the second 1 is

584
00:22:49,582 --> 00:22:52,376
gonna be all about Emily Blunt being mama

585
00:22:52,376 --> 00:22:55,424
bear. Not so, Kill and Murphy gets kind

586
00:22:55,424 --> 00:22:56,722
of becomes

587
00:22:57,499 --> 00:22:58,398
pushed on.

588
00:22:59,575 --> 00:23:01,411
Exactly. And they just kind of pick up

589
00:23:01,411 --> 00:23:03,247
where they left off with the whole pate

590
00:23:03,247 --> 00:23:03,806
internal debt.

591
00:23:04,618 --> 00:23:06,154
And it's a little bit more

592
00:23:06,531 --> 00:23:08,205
kind of classically heroic,

593
00:23:08,763 --> 00:23:11,393
and I hesitate to say conservative. But, you

594
00:23:11,393 --> 00:23:13,722
know, just to just it's got old fashioned

595
00:23:13,722 --> 00:23:14,122
values.

596
00:23:14,681 --> 00:23:17,637
And this new 1 is closer to Clerk.

597
00:23:17,956 --> 00:23:19,808
You know, it's more a sur a little

598
00:23:19,808 --> 00:23:22,519
bit closer to pig even with the even

599
00:23:22,519 --> 00:23:24,831
the pizza thing is a little bit pig

600
00:23:24,831 --> 00:23:26,983
coated. Yeah. You know, Like that that scene

601
00:23:26,983 --> 00:23:28,154
where Nicholas cage

602
00:23:28,594 --> 00:23:31,630
absolutely e the guy who's operating that in

603
00:23:31,630 --> 00:23:32,130
inseparable.

604
00:23:32,749 --> 00:23:34,187
You wanted to make burgers.

605
00:23:34,746 --> 00:23:36,758
Exactly. He's got he's got this soul list

606
00:23:36,998 --> 00:23:39,632
Michelin and star Eater when actually, he wants

607
00:23:39,632 --> 00:23:41,708
to be running a greasy spoon. So the

608
00:23:41,708 --> 00:23:43,784
pizza quest is very in line with that,

609
00:23:44,023 --> 00:23:45,860
I think. And that's all to the good.

610
00:23:46,910 --> 00:23:49,855
So Sam Elect to remain in the city.

611
00:23:50,173 --> 00:23:53,356
Well, there's a massive evacuation happening. Oh, rubin

612
00:23:53,356 --> 00:23:55,604
dies. Almost forgot before they even make it

613
00:23:55,604 --> 00:23:58,076
out of the theater. He's fuss with a

614
00:23:58,076 --> 00:24:00,230
generator. If I remember right? Yeah. A a

615
00:24:00,230 --> 00:24:00,730
generator

616
00:24:01,187 --> 00:24:03,341
kicks on once the power cuts.

617
00:24:04,389 --> 00:24:06,930
And it's making a shit load of noise

618
00:24:06,930 --> 00:24:09,630
because that's how generators work. I guess it

619
00:24:09,630 --> 00:24:10,845
can be excused

620
00:24:11,298 --> 00:24:12,671
as a dumbass

621
00:24:13,219 --> 00:24:16,568
in universe character mistake because they're not all

622
00:24:16,568 --> 00:24:17,786
accustomed to

623
00:24:18,163 --> 00:24:21,433
the rules of operating in this new horrible

624
00:24:21,433 --> 00:24:22,310
world they're living in.

625
00:24:23,122 --> 00:24:26,544
Maybe at day 20 and beyond Ruben would

626
00:24:26,544 --> 00:24:28,771
have known that the right thing to do

627
00:24:28,771 --> 00:24:31,169
was, okay. Let's just get as far away

628
00:24:31,169 --> 00:24:33,864
from the generator as possible, and we'll probably

629
00:24:33,864 --> 00:24:36,083
be fine. But instead, he goes and he

630
00:24:36,083 --> 00:24:37,217
has to scramble

631
00:24:37,684 --> 00:24:39,832
and reach behind the thing and hit a

632
00:24:39,832 --> 00:24:42,377
shutoff off valve, and he successfully does this,

633
00:24:43,093 --> 00:24:46,472
and somehow that has not yet attracted the

634
00:24:46,529 --> 00:24:47,007
creatures,

635
00:24:47,564 --> 00:24:51,383
but then he rather loudly tears his shirt,

636
00:24:51,781 --> 00:24:54,502
pulling himself out from behind this thing. And

637
00:24:54,502 --> 00:24:57,531
there's the sort of panic and hope against

638
00:24:57,531 --> 00:25:00,001
hope, 5 or 6 seconds, and then he

639
00:25:00,001 --> 00:25:02,730
gets pounce on in a wide. Yeah. I

640
00:25:02,890 --> 00:25:04,269
I found the circumstances

641
00:25:04,970 --> 00:25:07,869
a bit con, although just as a scripting

642
00:25:08,250 --> 00:25:11,060
choice, a storytelling choice, I do like that

643
00:25:11,060 --> 00:25:14,469
they kill Reuben relatively early on because based

644
00:25:14,469 --> 00:25:17,243
on their coworker banter at the very beginning

645
00:25:17,243 --> 00:25:18,928
of the movie, I thought they were gonna

646
00:25:18,928 --> 00:25:20,464
have more of an odd couple

647
00:25:20,842 --> 00:25:22,676
relationship, you know, because it's framed as, you

648
00:25:22,676 --> 00:25:24,431
know, like, I'm a very mean person. Oh,

649
00:25:24,590 --> 00:25:26,026
I need to coax you out into the

650
00:25:26,026 --> 00:25:27,541
city where we're gonna get you out among

651
00:25:27,541 --> 00:25:28,201
the people

652
00:25:28,594 --> 00:25:29,953
and you think that he's gonna be a

653
00:25:29,953 --> 00:25:32,031
kind of the person who she her to

654
00:25:32,031 --> 00:25:34,828
this realization that life is still worth living.

655
00:25:35,707 --> 00:25:37,785
Instead he gets absolutely wrecked.

656
00:25:38,358 --> 00:25:40,105
So then she's on her own for a

657
00:25:40,105 --> 00:25:43,147
good long while, and she winds up a

658
00:25:43,362 --> 00:25:45,824
good shot of of her a series of

659
00:25:45,824 --> 00:25:47,412
shots that are quite striking.

660
00:25:47,984 --> 00:25:51,576
Of her swimming upstream, walking against the grain

661
00:25:51,576 --> 00:25:52,235
of this

662
00:25:52,613 --> 00:25:55,966
massive exodus of people silently shuffling.

663
00:25:56,618 --> 00:25:58,844
Out of the city, which I liked. It

664
00:25:58,844 --> 00:26:01,387
strange a little bit just because it is

665
00:26:01,546 --> 00:26:03,953
New York, and I have to believe

666
00:26:04,263 --> 00:26:06,095
somebody in that crowd would make a racket.

667
00:26:06,254 --> 00:26:08,164
And maybe then would just be beaten to

668
00:26:08,164 --> 00:26:10,712
death by, you know, everyone to their left

669
00:26:10,712 --> 00:26:12,279
and right. But I I just don't

670
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,119
and may expect at least 1 person to

671
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:15,279
go.

672
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:16,500
Oh.

673
00:26:19,759 --> 00:26:21,680
Like like spider man. You mess with 1

674
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,205
of you mess with all of us.

675
00:26:27,578 --> 00:26:31,019
Except in reverse with everybody else like no

676
00:26:31,019 --> 00:26:33,099
fuck you shut up we wanna live. Yeah.

677
00:26:33,339 --> 00:26:35,259
Right. And I could have done with a

678
00:26:35,259 --> 00:26:37,075
little bit more of that, a little more

679
00:26:37,194 --> 00:26:38,944
of a sense of anarchy. Now maybe the

680
00:26:38,944 --> 00:26:42,126
aliens have been ramp for long enough that

681
00:26:42,126 --> 00:26:43,637
people have been called.

682
00:26:44,448 --> 00:26:46,622
All, that the the herd has been thin

683
00:26:46,759 --> 00:26:49,149
to the point where everyone on the street

684
00:26:49,149 --> 00:26:51,221
is able to get with the fucking program.

685
00:26:51,954 --> 00:26:53,632
Maybe that's for the best just so the

686
00:26:53,632 --> 00:26:55,150
movie can get a move on. It is

687
00:26:55,150 --> 00:26:57,468
a a very brisk thing. It's a little

688
00:26:57,468 --> 00:26:59,625
lang just because it's so quiet, but it

689
00:26:59,625 --> 00:27:02,023
is short. It's like sub 90 minutes if

690
00:27:02,102 --> 00:27:04,325
I'm not mistaken. Oh, I think it's just

691
00:27:04,325 --> 00:27:06,468
over, but either way, it's in that ballpark.

692
00:27:06,786 --> 00:27:09,579
The same I believe as the other 2.

693
00:27:09,817 --> 00:27:11,882
I think they're all about this length. On

694
00:27:11,882 --> 00:27:12,993
the 92

695
00:27:12,993 --> 00:27:14,264
93 minute range,

696
00:27:14,979 --> 00:27:17,758
which is I agree something that's in all

697
00:27:17,758 --> 00:27:20,553
their favor. You know, they don't Yeah. Overs

698
00:27:20,553 --> 00:27:23,730
stay their welcome. So somehow, III was just

699
00:27:23,730 --> 00:27:25,637
complaining about, like, oh, someone in this crowd

700
00:27:25,637 --> 00:27:26,273
would make a noise.

701
00:27:27,003 --> 00:27:29,570
Someone must, I don't remember who or how

702
00:27:29,945 --> 00:27:31,854
because aliens descend upon them.

703
00:27:32,569 --> 00:27:34,478
Well, it's just 1 of those things where...

704
00:27:34,716 --> 00:27:36,680
And this is not a brag because this

705
00:27:37,037 --> 00:27:39,657
didn't require wizard on my part, but I'm

706
00:27:39,657 --> 00:27:41,484
just watching this I'm like, and I I

707
00:27:41,484 --> 00:27:43,945
saw it coming And was like, okay, there

708
00:27:43,945 --> 00:27:46,581
are so many people. This is not gonna

709
00:27:46,581 --> 00:27:49,125
end well. There there's too many bunched together.

710
00:27:49,364 --> 00:27:50,341
I mean, they're literally

711
00:27:50,795 --> 00:27:53,339
wedged shoulder to shoulder from 1 side of

712
00:27:53,339 --> 00:27:54,930
the street to you. Which is also very

713
00:27:54,930 --> 00:27:57,012
aware of the world. This is kind of

714
00:27:57,012 --> 00:27:59,319
the peak world of the world sequence. Everyone

715
00:27:59,319 --> 00:28:01,785
it has a fine coat of ash on

716
00:28:01,785 --> 00:28:03,389
their head and shoulder. They're and there is...

717
00:28:03,548 --> 00:28:05,213
There's a scene in that movie that gives

718
00:28:05,213 --> 00:28:06,799
me kind of the crowd crush, like,

719
00:28:07,513 --> 00:28:08,727
you know, kinda hyper

720
00:28:09,575 --> 00:28:10,740
when the when the... You know, they're all

721
00:28:10,859 --> 00:28:12,773
they're they're all packed in on the the

722
00:28:12,773 --> 00:28:14,766
bridge and then they get attacked by a

723
00:28:14,766 --> 00:28:16,679
tripod, but it's almost a relief when the

724
00:28:16,679 --> 00:28:19,071
tripod shows up and, you know, syncs the

725
00:28:19,071 --> 00:28:22,422
bridge. Because it alleviate the anxiety of all

726
00:28:22,422 --> 00:28:25,358
of them being hemmed in like that. Yeah.

727
00:28:25,596 --> 00:28:27,079
This scene, I thought of you

728
00:28:27,599 --> 00:28:30,079
watching this because of like, oh boy crowd

729
00:28:30,079 --> 00:28:31,200
disaster here we go.

730
00:28:31,839 --> 00:28:33,380
Yeah. I have a morbid

731
00:28:33,759 --> 00:28:35,599
fascination. But and... It it's sort of ever

732
00:28:35,599 --> 00:28:37,681
since that, I think it was a Travis

733
00:28:37,761 --> 00:28:40,143
Scott concert, 2 or 3 or maybe more

734
00:28:40,143 --> 00:28:42,072
at this point years ago. I think it's

735
00:28:42,207 --> 00:28:43,819
broken into the popular

736
00:28:44,367 --> 00:28:44,867
consciousness

737
00:28:45,242 --> 00:28:46,754
a little bit more. Although you never know.

738
00:28:46,913 --> 00:28:49,300
I mean, everyone... It's... They're always mis reported

739
00:28:49,300 --> 00:28:52,683
as Stampede. That... That's what would so aggravating

740
00:28:52,743 --> 00:28:55,220
because it's anything, but a stampede it is

741
00:28:55,220 --> 00:28:58,097
not possible under those conditions. No. But it's

742
00:28:58,097 --> 00:29:00,630
a stampede does sort of into here after

743
00:29:00,749 --> 00:29:03,621
or the aliens start slice and dyson and

744
00:29:03,621 --> 00:29:05,694
doing their thing? And what sets it off?

745
00:29:05,934 --> 00:29:07,072
What does the inc

746
00:29:07,449 --> 00:29:09,682
sound? Well, so I was I was getting

747
00:29:09,682 --> 00:29:13,138
this. I don't really think there is 1

748
00:29:13,273 --> 00:29:16,288
as such. I think it's just that many

749
00:29:16,288 --> 00:29:18,688
people even if they're all trying to be

750
00:29:18,688 --> 00:29:21,243
pretty quiet. They're all walking down the street.

751
00:29:21,801 --> 00:29:25,394
Eventually, there's a certain ambient level of noise

752
00:29:25,394 --> 00:29:27,230
that that's gonna make. Yeah.

753
00:29:27,803 --> 00:29:30,661
And that's kinda how this scene plays out

754
00:29:30,661 --> 00:29:33,543
because there's no point where somebody goes

755
00:29:33,917 --> 00:29:35,108
again, like, oh,

756
00:29:35,758 --> 00:29:36,892
or or for whatever.

757
00:29:37,501 --> 00:29:39,562
I was just gonna keep doing that. Yeah.

758
00:29:39,721 --> 00:29:42,257
I go the fucking funds or whoever. But

759
00:29:42,257 --> 00:29:43,702
even even if it's not, you know, that,

760
00:29:43,862 --> 00:29:45,856
like, some New York, any any big city

761
00:29:45,856 --> 00:29:47,291
doesn't have to be like a New Yorker

762
00:29:47,291 --> 00:29:49,763
car sure. But I mean, although It's more

763
00:29:49,763 --> 00:29:51,278
fun for me that which it's more fun

764
00:29:51,278 --> 00:29:53,048
that way. Yeah. I agree. But, you know,

765
00:29:53,287 --> 00:29:53,946
if someone

766
00:29:54,323 --> 00:29:57,056
would have just been off their meds

767
00:29:57,433 --> 00:29:59,825
or just out of their head or just

768
00:29:59,825 --> 00:30:02,226
wanted to end at all. And well and,

769
00:30:02,305 --> 00:30:02,463
you know,

770
00:30:04,048 --> 00:30:05,474
we allow it for everyone.

771
00:30:06,187 --> 00:30:08,192
Before Sam leaves

772
00:30:08,818 --> 00:30:09,613
the theater.

773
00:30:10,249 --> 00:30:14,167
There's this guy, G Hon and Reuben and

774
00:30:14,462 --> 00:30:15,995
Sam are all on

775
00:30:16,624 --> 00:30:17,184
the roof,

776
00:30:18,063 --> 00:30:21,119
and they're watching the military presumably

777
00:30:21,978 --> 00:30:24,430
blowing up all of the bridges

778
00:30:24,949 --> 00:30:26,947
from Right. Manhattan to the mainland.

779
00:30:27,426 --> 00:30:29,605
And around this time, we also get shoppers

780
00:30:30,064 --> 00:30:32,621
loudly announcing that you should flee to the

781
00:30:32,621 --> 00:30:35,107
water if you can because the of course

782
00:30:35,107 --> 00:30:38,228
they can't swim. They always bring the stampede

783
00:30:38,601 --> 00:30:41,221
with them. Yeah. But anyway, so when they

784
00:30:41,221 --> 00:30:43,127
see all the bridges go down,

785
00:30:43,700 --> 00:30:46,500
this guy, just some random guy who's 1

786
00:30:46,500 --> 00:30:48,579
of the people hiding in the theater is

787
00:30:48,579 --> 00:30:50,440
walking up the final stairs

788
00:30:50,740 --> 00:30:52,099
through the door to the roof.

789
00:30:52,833 --> 00:30:55,464
And he sees the cities like, we're trapped...

790
00:30:56,262 --> 00:30:58,096
We're all gonna die here. And you know,

791
00:30:58,256 --> 00:31:01,445
trapped click rats. Yeah. And they're they're trying

792
00:31:01,445 --> 00:31:05,058
to keep him from just screaming and eventually

793
00:31:05,351 --> 00:31:08,367
J on Han just bash his brains against

794
00:31:08,367 --> 00:31:11,169
the... That's right. Against the wall because the

795
00:31:11,169 --> 00:31:13,721
guy won't shut the fuck up. Yeah. You

796
00:31:13,721 --> 00:31:15,556
can tell that it's escalating in that direction.

797
00:31:15,795 --> 00:31:17,071
I thought that he was just gonna, like,

798
00:31:17,311 --> 00:31:19,359
clasp a hand over his nose and mouth

799
00:31:19,559 --> 00:31:21,797
which is what happens to The when she

800
00:31:21,797 --> 00:31:24,114
comes to. Yeah. When when all of this

801
00:31:24,114 --> 00:31:26,671
kicks off. But and and, like, accidentally sm

802
00:31:26,671 --> 00:31:29,103
him to death, But, no. It's it's a

803
00:31:29,239 --> 00:31:30,193
much more swift.

804
00:31:31,466 --> 00:31:31,704
Yeah.

805
00:31:32,420 --> 00:31:34,647
So, yeah, you would expect that to have

806
00:31:34,647 --> 00:31:37,547
happened in the giant crowd thing instead, nobody

807
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,149
trying to be quiet as church mice and

808
00:31:40,149 --> 00:31:41,820
there's just too many of them. Know. There's

809
00:31:41,820 --> 00:31:44,206
too many, and we see the creatures like,

810
00:31:44,444 --> 00:31:45,295
they're kind of

811
00:31:45,731 --> 00:31:46,526
lying in wait,

812
00:31:47,161 --> 00:31:51,212
scrambling quietly up some walls of buildings around

813
00:31:51,212 --> 00:31:53,754
the block. And this is... I like this

814
00:31:53,754 --> 00:31:54,890
too because

815
00:31:55,359 --> 00:31:58,177
this is kind of the antidote

816
00:31:58,556 --> 00:32:01,512
to what you always complain about with how

817
00:32:01,512 --> 00:32:02,492
these monsters

818
00:32:02,871 --> 00:32:05,512
operate, namely the they're so fucking sensitive to

819
00:32:05,512 --> 00:32:09,902
sound that they themselves make deafening noises

820
00:32:10,514 --> 00:32:13,628
pounding around. They're just like they should move,

821
00:32:13,708 --> 00:32:17,298
like Spiders not, like ramp elephants. I mean,

822
00:32:17,458 --> 00:32:19,612
that's always my... The go to example for

823
00:32:19,612 --> 00:32:22,332
me is always she lob in return of

824
00:32:22,332 --> 00:32:25,589
the king, kind of silently spider around and

825
00:32:25,589 --> 00:32:26,566
emerging from

826
00:32:26,940 --> 00:32:29,220
cra in the side of that horrible cop

827
00:32:29,418 --> 00:32:32,862
Webb Mountain. And and that's pretty much exactly

828
00:32:32,999 --> 00:32:35,624
what they're showing in this scene. So that's

829
00:32:35,624 --> 00:32:37,554
all the good. Are we gonna assume Michael

830
00:32:37,634 --> 00:32:40,515
Ser is a a devoted listener and... Yeah.

831
00:32:40,835 --> 00:32:43,554
Yeah. Yeah. We're worse maybe been following me

832
00:32:43,554 --> 00:32:45,255
on on an alt on Twitter

833
00:32:45,806 --> 00:32:47,791
where where were our tickets to the premier?

834
00:32:48,029 --> 00:32:49,220
IIII

835
00:32:49,220 --> 00:32:49,855
would like to know.

836
00:32:50,649 --> 00:32:52,658
Yeah. Checks in the mail. I have to

837
00:32:52,714 --> 00:32:52,952
assume.

838
00:32:53,524 --> 00:32:56,238
Why is Lu Neo not a guest on

839
00:32:56,238 --> 00:32:57,536
this episode of the podcast.

840
00:32:59,191 --> 00:33:02,796
And Michael Ser. I mean, you're dead. And

841
00:33:02,796 --> 00:33:03,773
so it would be

842
00:33:05,660 --> 00:33:08,763
be a to decided upgrade. No offense, you

843
00:33:08,763 --> 00:33:10,536
know, but it's been getting done

844
00:33:10,991 --> 00:33:12,525
matt starting taken,

845
00:33:13,005 --> 00:33:15,644
trying to keep blood pumping through your cold

846
00:33:15,644 --> 00:33:16,285
gray veins.

847
00:33:19,100 --> 00:33:20,940
Yeah. 1 of my ears fell off the

848
00:33:20,940 --> 00:33:22,160
other day. It's

849
00:33:23,100 --> 00:33:23,980
it's rough going.

850
00:33:24,460 --> 00:33:27,835
But... Yeah. So eventually, the crowd in spite

851
00:33:27,835 --> 00:33:30,234
of itself. It's just... There's too many of

852
00:33:30,234 --> 00:33:31,674
them. There's too much noise.

853
00:33:32,315 --> 00:33:33,434
All, hell breaks loose.

854
00:33:34,169 --> 00:33:35,467
There's complete chaos.

855
00:33:35,925 --> 00:33:38,080
It's a good scene overall. There's 1 moment.

856
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,017
I didn't care for. It's in the trailer

857
00:33:40,156 --> 00:33:40,975
quite prominently

858
00:33:41,513 --> 00:33:42,811
where Lap Ny

859
00:33:43,204 --> 00:33:45,514
is hiding under a car, and a guy

860
00:33:45,514 --> 00:33:47,905
comes scrambling in after her grabs her ankle

861
00:33:47,905 --> 00:33:50,375
and goes, help me help me. And it's

862
00:33:50,375 --> 00:33:52,606
like, III saw that in the trailer and

863
00:33:52,606 --> 00:33:55,888
thought for sure that would be from, like,

864
00:33:56,127 --> 00:33:59,794
the opening seconds of the first alien attack.

865
00:34:00,192 --> 00:34:03,413
Right. Not you know, later that same day

866
00:34:03,708 --> 00:34:07,467
when mere moments prior, everyone was silently shuffling

867
00:34:07,604 --> 00:34:08,978
along like church might

868
00:34:09,289 --> 00:34:11,758
you know, because they had figured it out.

869
00:34:11,918 --> 00:34:13,590
They were they've gotten with the program. This

870
00:34:13,590 --> 00:34:15,582
guy... I mean, you know, what panic can

871
00:34:15,582 --> 00:34:16,618
make us to do anything.

872
00:34:17,016 --> 00:34:18,472
It just seems awfully

873
00:34:18,862 --> 00:34:20,768
strange that it it was to the point

874
00:34:20,768 --> 00:34:23,866
where like? Also, what could he possibly be

875
00:34:23,866 --> 00:34:26,408
expecting her to do to help? Right. Right.

876
00:34:26,646 --> 00:34:29,364
It's nonsensical, and it you know, it helped

877
00:34:29,364 --> 00:34:32,730
me get under the car, I guess, but

878
00:34:33,184 --> 00:34:35,333
even still, it's it's a moment. What when

879
00:34:35,333 --> 00:34:38,456
it didn't show up in the first attack

880
00:34:38,456 --> 00:34:40,608
sequence. I just figured they'd cut it from

881
00:34:40,608 --> 00:34:42,441
the movie or it maybe it had only

882
00:34:42,441 --> 00:34:43,796
been shot for the trailer.

883
00:34:44,289 --> 00:34:45,008
Or something.

884
00:34:45,487 --> 00:34:47,804
Some suit decided that the movie was too

885
00:34:47,804 --> 00:34:50,041
muted. So they had to throw in this

886
00:34:50,041 --> 00:34:53,403
hap less fuck wit. Going like, help healthy.

887
00:34:53,801 --> 00:34:56,746
Like it's like independence day or something.

888
00:34:57,143 --> 00:34:59,849
You know. But no. He shows up and

889
00:34:59,849 --> 00:35:03,297
does that whole s way later than he

890
00:35:03,297 --> 00:35:05,374
had any right to. So that was sort

891
00:35:05,374 --> 00:35:05,933
of strange.

892
00:35:06,652 --> 00:35:09,150
Yeah. So it's around this time

893
00:35:09,463 --> 00:35:12,407
when we cut away for a little while

894
00:35:12,407 --> 00:35:12,724
from,

895
00:35:13,918 --> 00:35:15,827
only, like, a couple of minutes, and we

896
00:35:15,827 --> 00:35:18,386
find our secondary protagonist,

897
00:35:18,784 --> 00:35:21,725
whose name is Eric, played by Joseph Quinn,

898
00:35:22,123 --> 00:35:24,826
who I think has only ever been in

899
00:35:24,826 --> 00:35:27,313
season 4 of stranger your things. That's probably

900
00:35:27,313 --> 00:35:29,630
a little bit red productive, but that's what

901
00:35:29,630 --> 00:35:31,149
99.9

902
00:35:31,149 --> 00:35:32,987
percent of the world might know him from.

903
00:35:33,227 --> 00:35:34,985
It's the only time I've ever seen him

904
00:35:34,985 --> 00:35:35,145
before.

905
00:35:35,799 --> 00:35:39,241
His introduction is kind of interesting. He bursts

906
00:35:39,616 --> 00:35:42,161
out of the water at the top of

907
00:35:42,161 --> 00:35:45,443
a flooded subway entrance and spots

908
00:35:46,074 --> 00:35:49,687
Sam's cat taking a drink of this presumably

909
00:35:49,746 --> 00:35:50,545
filthy water.

910
00:35:51,423 --> 00:35:54,137
And he kind of follows the cat to

911
00:35:54,297 --> 00:35:56,780
Sam after he catches his breath and even

912
00:35:56,780 --> 00:35:59,559
though he does a bunch of gasping. Apparently,

913
00:35:59,718 --> 00:36:01,941
it is not quite sufficient in the midst

914
00:36:01,941 --> 00:36:04,855
of some ongoing chaos to draw the attention

915
00:36:04,974 --> 00:36:06,567
of the creatures. So lucky, yep.

916
00:36:07,523 --> 00:36:09,595
Yeah. They can hear a pin drop when

917
00:36:09,595 --> 00:36:11,507
the screen writer wants them too, but that's,

918
00:36:11,587 --> 00:36:14,056
you know, that's movies for you. Right.

919
00:36:15,107 --> 00:36:18,713
So at first, Sam doesn't really want anything

920
00:36:18,771 --> 00:36:21,080
to do with him doesn't want company and

921
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,445
is trying to get him to go to

922
00:36:23,564 --> 00:36:25,580
wherever the escape point

923
00:36:25,958 --> 00:36:28,911
the helicopters have been talking about is heading

924
00:36:28,911 --> 00:36:31,086
in the opposite direction, going downtown

925
00:36:31,639 --> 00:36:34,456
to the southern tip of the island, whereas

926
00:36:34,675 --> 00:36:35,735
she's headed

927
00:36:36,114 --> 00:36:40,284
north uptown to Harlem where her favorite pizza

928
00:36:40,284 --> 00:36:40,764
place is,

929
00:36:41,565 --> 00:36:43,565
right. Try and get the pizza.

930
00:36:44,684 --> 00:36:47,244
My impression of him at this point. He's

931
00:36:47,244 --> 00:36:48,364
just kind of in a day is he's,

932
00:36:48,445 --> 00:36:51,080
like following her around, like, a lost dog.

933
00:36:51,476 --> 00:36:53,540
Mh. And my impression was that he would

934
00:36:53,540 --> 00:36:54,040
probably

935
00:36:54,492 --> 00:36:56,976
be cat tonic even if they weren't

936
00:36:57,603 --> 00:37:01,019
in this survival scenario we're speaking could mean

937
00:37:01,019 --> 00:37:02,847
death, you know, that he just wouldn't he'd

938
00:37:02,847 --> 00:37:05,309
be rendered to mute either way, which is

939
00:37:05,309 --> 00:37:07,558
convenient enough. If you need a shell shocked

940
00:37:07,558 --> 00:37:10,435
traveling companion, you know, better that than a

941
00:37:10,435 --> 00:37:10,935
guy

942
00:37:11,394 --> 00:37:14,452
flipping shit and, you know, fl around and

943
00:37:14,511 --> 00:37:15,550
making a bunch of ru.

944
00:37:16,204 --> 00:37:18,201
So they pull up somewhere and there's a

945
00:37:18,201 --> 00:37:21,237
dialogue sequence, and there's not, you know, obviously,

946
00:37:21,476 --> 00:37:22,616
given the circumstances.

947
00:37:23,248 --> 00:37:24,919
There's not a ton of dialogue in this

948
00:37:24,919 --> 00:37:26,987
movie, but I I could've have maybe done

949
00:37:26,987 --> 00:37:28,657
with even less than there is.

950
00:37:29,294 --> 00:37:30,065
I don't know

951
00:37:30,663 --> 00:37:32,659
end they're... Again, there's not a lot. There's

952
00:37:32,659 --> 00:37:33,537
not too much,

953
00:37:34,175 --> 00:37:36,192
but, I don't know. I might have modulate

954
00:37:36,331 --> 00:37:38,087
it just a little differently, because they wind

955
00:37:38,087 --> 00:37:40,339
up having this heart to heart they hole

956
00:37:40,339 --> 00:37:42,500
up somewhere where they have enough privacy that

957
00:37:42,500 --> 00:37:44,420
they can whisper to each other. And I

958
00:37:44,420 --> 00:37:46,179
think it's even... I think it's her apartment.

959
00:37:46,420 --> 00:37:48,980
And even engage in some primal screen therapy.

960
00:37:49,393 --> 00:37:53,044
During a thunderstorm. Right seemed needlessly risky to

961
00:37:53,044 --> 00:37:54,869
me, but then again, she's terminal. I don't

962
00:37:54,869 --> 00:37:57,504
know what his excuse is. He's in shock,

963
00:37:57,742 --> 00:37:58,378
I guess. Yes.

964
00:38:00,204 --> 00:38:03,403
So they just timed their screams, these cath

965
00:38:03,777 --> 00:38:06,493
screams to win the peels of thunder. Or

966
00:38:06,493 --> 00:38:08,721
masking them. Yeah. I think, you know, if

967
00:38:08,721 --> 00:38:10,972
the aliens have even a rudimentary

968
00:38:11,426 --> 00:38:12,722
ability to triangulate

969
00:38:13,097 --> 00:38:14,868
sound It's not like they would have been...

970
00:38:15,028 --> 00:38:17,026
They're not winged, you know, they wouldn't have

971
00:38:17,026 --> 00:38:19,903
been pursuing the thunder into the sky. If

972
00:38:19,903 --> 00:38:21,901
they could do that, then those helicopters would

973
00:38:21,901 --> 00:38:24,633
have been fucking done for. Yeah. But anyway,

974
00:38:24,793 --> 00:38:26,790
they're fine. The the characters always find a

975
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:29,267
way to to cheat the central can see

976
00:38:29,267 --> 00:38:31,585
somehow in in the first quiet place. They

977
00:38:31,585 --> 00:38:33,351
live that bunker, of course, and then they

978
00:38:33,351 --> 00:38:36,238
can also take refuge behind a nearby waterfall

979
00:38:36,693 --> 00:38:39,000
to have a father son bonding moment if

980
00:38:39,079 --> 00:38:39,875
I remember right.

981
00:38:40,512 --> 00:38:43,314
Yeah. So there's there's always little outs like

982
00:38:43,314 --> 00:38:44,827
that, which is fine.

983
00:38:45,783 --> 00:38:49,049
There is a rather tense sequence in a

984
00:38:49,049 --> 00:38:50,027
flooded tunnel

985
00:38:50,498 --> 00:38:51,956
that I was expecting

986
00:38:52,493 --> 00:38:55,148
to take issue with because

987
00:38:55,605 --> 00:38:57,201
there's a big to do in the second

988
00:38:57,201 --> 00:38:59,524
movie, And again, in this 1, about how

989
00:38:59,524 --> 00:39:00,183
the aliens

990
00:39:00,558 --> 00:39:02,069
don't mix with water,

991
00:39:02,706 --> 00:39:04,217
and I'm gonna have more to say about

992
00:39:04,217 --> 00:39:06,285
that. I reckon after the break. But, yeah.

993
00:39:06,538 --> 00:39:08,922
Is a little bit of an annoying achilles

994
00:39:08,922 --> 00:39:09,422
heel

995
00:39:09,796 --> 00:39:12,578
to give them, I think because in that

996
00:39:12,578 --> 00:39:15,041
first movie, maybe the suspense highlight,

997
00:39:15,533 --> 00:39:16,726
is Emily blunt.

998
00:39:17,521 --> 00:39:18,873
There there's a bit where they just do

999
00:39:18,873 --> 00:39:21,736
jaws in a flooded basement. Basically. 1 of

1000
00:39:21,736 --> 00:39:23,883
the aliens is completely submerged.

1001
00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:25,099
And

1002
00:39:25,489 --> 00:39:27,799
she's looking at the surface of the water

1003
00:39:27,799 --> 00:39:30,190
trying to figure out where it is. And

1004
00:39:30,190 --> 00:39:31,862
whether it's, you know, about to get the

1005
00:39:31,862 --> 00:39:34,509
jump on her, And it's quite odd. There's

1006
00:39:34,509 --> 00:39:37,221
a lot about these movies that feels video

1007
00:39:37,221 --> 00:39:38,257
gaming to me,

1008
00:39:38,975 --> 00:39:41,289
another dia that I'm gonna launch into after

1009
00:39:41,289 --> 00:39:44,411
the break, but part of it in terms

1010
00:39:44,411 --> 00:39:46,482
of the creatures that they're up against is

1011
00:39:46,482 --> 00:39:50,327
just this notion that it can be completely

1012
00:39:50,384 --> 00:39:51,282
below the water

1013
00:39:51,673 --> 00:39:52,391
and be fine,

1014
00:39:52,949 --> 00:39:54,086
but it can't

1015
00:39:54,543 --> 00:39:56,376
swim. You know? It's not... So it's not

1016
00:39:56,376 --> 00:39:58,927
like a water allergy, like the aliens and

1017
00:39:58,927 --> 00:39:59,246
signs.

1018
00:39:59,899 --> 00:40:01,971
It's just... It's the sort of video gaming

1019
00:40:01,971 --> 00:40:04,043
me thing where it's, like, you're okay up

1020
00:40:04,043 --> 00:40:06,594
to a certain depth, but like, once it

1021
00:40:06,594 --> 00:40:07,572
hits your shoulders

1022
00:40:07,963 --> 00:40:10,744
you just immediately drown, you know. It's like...

1023
00:40:11,301 --> 00:40:12,493
Yeah. It's like the sort of thing that

1024
00:40:12,493 --> 00:40:14,321
would happen in an old Grand theft auto

1025
00:40:14,321 --> 00:40:16,467
game. Not the best example. But I, you

1026
00:40:16,467 --> 00:40:16,920
know, just

1027
00:40:17,755 --> 00:40:20,384
a weird drowning death where, like, the animation

1028
00:40:20,384 --> 00:40:22,693
just doesn't look right. You know, it happens

1029
00:40:22,693 --> 00:40:24,547
at a depth that just feels kind of

1030
00:40:24,605 --> 00:40:27,246
arbitrary. I don't I mean, you gotta give

1031
00:40:27,246 --> 00:40:28,996
yourself some kind of a silver bullet, I

1032
00:40:28,996 --> 00:40:31,143
guess. If you've got noise on your side,

1033
00:40:31,302 --> 00:40:34,085
of course, as the characters be blatantly figure

1034
00:40:34,085 --> 00:40:35,809
out in the first movie they've got those

1035
00:40:35,929 --> 00:40:36,565
giant gnarly,

1036
00:40:37,122 --> 00:40:39,190
exposed eardrum, g, do you suppose,

1037
00:40:40,304 --> 00:40:41,281
it may be

1038
00:40:41,895 --> 00:40:44,695
anyway. But this scene in the flooded tunnel

1039
00:40:44,695 --> 00:40:46,606
is rather good because what happens, and it's

1040
00:40:46,606 --> 00:40:48,358
like something straight out of a resident evil

1041
00:40:48,358 --> 00:40:51,878
game, the thing sham along the ceiling. After

1042
00:40:51,878 --> 00:40:54,191
them. It stays out of the water for

1043
00:40:54,191 --> 00:40:57,243
the most part and is obviously able to

1044
00:40:57,302 --> 00:41:00,173
close the distance between them because it's running,

1045
00:41:00,492 --> 00:41:02,811
and you can know, these fucker can run

1046
00:41:02,811 --> 00:41:04,556
as you'll know. If you've seen these these

1047
00:41:04,556 --> 00:41:08,340
movies and they're swimming or waiting. So that's

1048
00:41:08,539 --> 00:41:10,860
quite scary and did not give me something

1049
00:41:10,860 --> 00:41:12,059
to... I mean, I found a way to

1050
00:41:12,059 --> 00:41:14,539
bitch about it anyway because that's just how

1051
00:41:14,700 --> 00:41:15,099
I'm wired.

1052
00:41:15,820 --> 00:41:17,579
But I was bitch pitching, I, about a

1053
00:41:17,579 --> 00:41:19,822
hypothetical in the case of this latest entry,

1054
00:41:20,220 --> 00:41:22,684
the scene did not actually give me something

1055
00:41:22,684 --> 00:41:25,466
to complain about. Yeah. And they get away

1056
00:41:25,466 --> 00:41:28,265
because once they get underwater and swim a

1057
00:41:28,265 --> 00:41:30,277
little ways, the creature basically

1058
00:41:30,811 --> 00:41:31,311
drown

1059
00:41:31,687 --> 00:41:32,562
almost immediately.

1060
00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:35,507
Right. But presumably if its feet could touch

1061
00:41:35,507 --> 00:41:36,882
the ground. It would have been a

1062
00:41:37,673 --> 00:41:39,751
you know, if that flooded basement seen in

1063
00:41:39,751 --> 00:41:41,508
the first movie is any indication. I'm not

1064
00:41:41,508 --> 00:41:43,745
even getting hung up on it because it's

1065
00:41:43,745 --> 00:41:43,960
like

1066
00:41:44,555 --> 00:41:47,494
inconsistent lore or world building or what have

1067
00:41:47,494 --> 00:41:49,321
you? Because I don't tend to care about

1068
00:41:49,321 --> 00:41:51,307
that or at least it's not priority numero

1069
00:41:51,307 --> 00:41:53,532
uno, but I just... I think that there

1070
00:41:53,532 --> 00:41:56,171
are better and more interesting ways that you

1071
00:41:56,171 --> 00:41:59,376
could have h these creatures. Obviously, Michael Ser

1072
00:41:59,512 --> 00:42:00,569
and his collaborators

1073
00:42:00,959 --> 00:42:02,550
I don't know who wrote the script or

1074
00:42:02,550 --> 00:42:05,596
saddle with it because it was very firmly

1075
00:42:05,652 --> 00:42:08,380
established in the second movie that this island

1076
00:42:08,436 --> 00:42:11,156
community is safe. The 1 where Jim Hu

1077
00:42:11,156 --> 00:42:13,144
winds up because it's an island, you know,

1078
00:42:13,223 --> 00:42:15,370
and and these things can't swim. I just...

1079
00:42:15,688 --> 00:42:17,040
I don't remember that being an element of

1080
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:18,789
the first movie at all, and just have

1081
00:42:18,789 --> 00:42:19,608
to assume

1082
00:42:19,919 --> 00:42:22,637
that they hadn't decided that yet. But, you

1083
00:42:22,637 --> 00:42:25,993
know, oftentimes franchises like this, accumulate that kind

1084
00:42:25,993 --> 00:42:26,493
of

1085
00:42:26,872 --> 00:42:29,349
Re con baggage as they go along.

1086
00:42:30,001 --> 00:42:32,065
It's in no way unique. Yeah.

1087
00:42:32,700 --> 00:42:34,526
There's a sequence, and this I kind of

1088
00:42:34,526 --> 00:42:36,828
did like speaking of Lore and world building.

1089
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,797
This feels like a a valid contribution to

1090
00:42:39,797 --> 00:42:41,815
me. There's a scene where they watch

1091
00:42:42,194 --> 00:42:42,934
the aliens

1092
00:42:43,393 --> 00:42:45,730
tending to these strange

1093
00:42:46,204 --> 00:42:48,861
flesh, slimy, meteor right eggs

1094
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:50,279
as they're hatching.

1095
00:42:50,838 --> 00:42:52,697
And I think that this has a certain

1096
00:42:52,756 --> 00:42:54,845
utility. It feels old school to me. This...

1097
00:42:55,084 --> 00:42:57,554
It's like a meeting the queen alien in

1098
00:42:57,554 --> 00:42:58,054
aliens

1099
00:42:58,748 --> 00:43:00,819
where you... You're kind of given a more

1100
00:43:00,819 --> 00:43:02,811
expanded view of the life cycle.

1101
00:43:03,304 --> 00:43:04,105
Of the creature.

1102
00:43:04,585 --> 00:43:06,505
This is something that this this is 1

1103
00:43:06,505 --> 00:43:08,984
of the functions of a sequel, and, you

1104
00:43:08,984 --> 00:43:11,478
know, of a Sci f fantasy sequel. Is

1105
00:43:11,478 --> 00:43:13,733
that you can zoom out a little further

1106
00:43:13,791 --> 00:43:14,690
and give us

1107
00:43:15,068 --> 00:43:17,141
that more expanded view. So I thought that

1108
00:43:17,141 --> 00:43:19,774
was kind of neat. They do ultimately make

1109
00:43:19,774 --> 00:43:21,105
it to the pizza place

1110
00:43:21,782 --> 00:43:22,282
and

1111
00:43:23,454 --> 00:43:26,242
Gets a bite of that sweet sweet saw.

1112
00:43:26,879 --> 00:43:29,268
And it's not... No. It's a it's a

1113
00:43:29,268 --> 00:43:29,768
compromise

1114
00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:33,027
Yeah. It's, yeah. They get to her pizza

1115
00:43:33,027 --> 00:43:35,019
place, and it is a burned out wreck.

1116
00:43:35,258 --> 00:43:36,714
And she nearly

1117
00:43:37,409 --> 00:43:40,924
breaks down and then Eric, asks her. Where

1118
00:43:40,924 --> 00:43:41,980
did your dad

1119
00:43:42,353 --> 00:43:44,280
play the piano? Because there's this whole

1120
00:43:44,653 --> 00:43:48,089
running backstory thing where her dad who's

1121
00:43:48,556 --> 00:43:50,381
dead and not on account of aliens,

1122
00:43:51,174 --> 00:43:54,268
potentially implied that he also died of cancer,

1123
00:43:54,427 --> 00:43:56,093
in any case he used to be a

1124
00:43:56,093 --> 00:43:59,948
jazz Pianist, and he and Sam would go

1125
00:44:00,164 --> 00:44:03,266
to 1 of his gigs basically and she'd

1126
00:44:03,266 --> 00:44:05,195
hear play, and then they would go to

1127
00:44:05,195 --> 00:44:07,908
this pizza joint afterwards. And so that's why

1128
00:44:07,908 --> 00:44:10,461
it's her favorite place. Her favorite. And that's

1129
00:44:10,461 --> 00:44:12,653
why she's embarked on this pilgrimage,

1130
00:44:13,032 --> 00:44:15,030
you, because Right a little bit a little

1131
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:15,769
bit p.

1132
00:44:16,468 --> 00:44:17,608
Yeah. So

1133
00:44:18,066 --> 00:44:20,474
instead, they just go to this jazz club,

1134
00:44:20,713 --> 00:44:21,907
and it's empty.

1135
00:44:22,703 --> 00:44:24,079
I forget why

1136
00:44:24,693 --> 00:44:27,081
Eric goes out and about, but not far

1137
00:44:27,081 --> 00:44:30,035
away. Finds just 1 of those regular 99

1138
00:44:30,035 --> 00:44:31,011
cents slice

1139
00:44:31,543 --> 00:44:32,019
places.

1140
00:44:33,289 --> 00:44:35,528
Yeah. That's pizza in New York. You know,

1141
00:44:35,767 --> 00:44:37,360
just like the place right across the street.

1142
00:44:38,396 --> 00:44:38,715
Right.

1143
00:44:39,352 --> 00:44:42,220
And he brings the 2, 3, however many

1144
00:44:42,220 --> 00:44:43,198
day old pizza

1145
00:44:43,654 --> 00:44:45,579
back with him. And it looks like it

1146
00:44:45,579 --> 00:44:47,248
was nothing to write home about to begin

1147
00:44:47,248 --> 00:44:49,316
with. It looks like chuck cheese, pizza is

1148
00:44:49,316 --> 00:44:52,417
just plain cheese, nothing too exciting going on

1149
00:44:52,417 --> 00:44:54,610
there. Yeah. But he he scribble

1150
00:44:54,910 --> 00:44:56,829
Pat is the name of her favorite place,

1151
00:44:56,989 --> 00:44:59,390
and he scribble that on the plain white

1152
00:44:59,390 --> 00:45:02,751
box lid. And then Tada, and they have

1153
00:45:02,751 --> 00:45:04,821
some of this pizza, so does the cat?

1154
00:45:06,095 --> 00:45:08,737
Yeah. Cat drags off a slice. There's not

1155
00:45:08,737 --> 00:45:11,210
a lot of, like, cat cut away gag

1156
00:45:11,210 --> 00:45:13,841
in this movie. I think there's... It it's

1157
00:45:13,841 --> 00:45:15,755
it's very surgical. I think that it would

1158
00:45:15,755 --> 00:45:17,644
have been a shame to not see the

1159
00:45:17,764 --> 00:45:19,983
at, get some of the pizza because it's

1160
00:45:19,983 --> 00:45:21,593
been dragged along on this

1161
00:45:22,045 --> 00:45:24,106
adventure. Didn't have any say in the matter.

1162
00:45:24,502 --> 00:45:27,456
So it should get to reap the reward

1163
00:45:27,456 --> 00:45:28,728
at the... You know, the pot of gold

1164
00:45:28,728 --> 00:45:30,158
at the end of the rainbow as it

1165
00:45:30,158 --> 00:45:30,317
were.

1166
00:45:31,032 --> 00:45:31,271
Yeah.

1167
00:45:31,986 --> 00:45:34,385
Just the right amount of cat antics, which

1168
00:45:34,385 --> 00:45:35,655
is to say not much.

1169
00:45:36,370 --> 00:45:37,005
But some.

1170
00:45:37,641 --> 00:45:38,991
But some. Not done.

1171
00:45:40,500 --> 00:45:41,269
So, Eric

1172
00:45:41,628 --> 00:45:43,883
at this point spots a deck of cards

1173
00:45:44,500 --> 00:45:47,074
takes it upon himself to do a pant

1174
00:45:47,371 --> 00:45:48,748
card trick, which

1175
00:45:49,126 --> 00:45:51,061
ends up somewhat impress

1176
00:45:51,453 --> 00:45:53,758
Sam because he pulls it off. Yeah. It's

1177
00:45:53,758 --> 00:45:55,348
kinda... It's a tall order to get us

1178
00:45:55,348 --> 00:45:57,835
to expect that this S character

1179
00:45:58,447 --> 00:46:00,317
is dazzled by

1180
00:46:00,934 --> 00:46:02,611
magicians and puppet tears.

1181
00:46:03,329 --> 00:46:06,224
It's like it's like surely. Either 1

1182
00:46:06,601 --> 00:46:09,166
independently would be stretch, but both in a

1183
00:46:09,166 --> 00:46:11,314
90 minute movie. It's a testament I think

1184
00:46:11,314 --> 00:46:13,781
to Lap Ny that she can go starry

1185
00:46:13,781 --> 00:46:14,281
eyed

1186
00:46:14,656 --> 00:46:16,899
and not just make you go. Okay. Come

1187
00:46:16,899 --> 00:46:17,058
on.

1188
00:46:19,445 --> 00:46:23,263
It's normally dragging your a ce cynical main

1189
00:46:23,263 --> 00:46:25,267
character to a puppet show in the first

1190
00:46:25,267 --> 00:46:27,653
act would be an opportunity to have them

1191
00:46:27,653 --> 00:46:31,130
rolling their eyes and getting antsy and acting

1192
00:46:31,250 --> 00:46:33,250
like, like when Paul Gia ama gets dragged

1193
00:46:33,250 --> 00:46:35,730
to revenge of the nerds in American splendor,

1194
00:46:36,130 --> 00:46:37,429
you know, and just really

1195
00:46:37,730 --> 00:46:39,945
just real against. The nerds

1196
00:46:43,892 --> 00:46:46,842
The way his bloody says that title will

1197
00:46:46,842 --> 00:46:48,995
be burned on my brain forever.

1198
00:46:49,409 --> 00:46:50,684
The the line of his...

1199
00:46:51,561 --> 00:46:53,497
What what is that actor name your Fried

1200
00:46:54,034 --> 00:46:55,867
something? I... Am I thinking about the right

1201
00:46:55,867 --> 00:46:57,940
guy? I think he's on 30 rock. Yeah.

1202
00:46:58,354 --> 00:46:59,783
Or, you know, was a million years ago.

1203
00:46:59,942 --> 00:47:01,529
The the line of his that I always

1204
00:47:01,529 --> 00:47:03,911
think of is... It might cheer you up.

1205
00:47:06,228 --> 00:47:07,499
Almost sounds like droop.

1206
00:47:09,405 --> 00:47:09,723
Right.

1207
00:47:10,358 --> 00:47:11,550
What do I seem depressed?

1208
00:47:15,137 --> 00:47:17,038
Judith to fight But she doesn't it. She's

1209
00:47:17,038 --> 00:47:19,018
very taken with the puppets and with the

1210
00:47:19,018 --> 00:47:19,415
magic,

1211
00:47:19,969 --> 00:47:21,968
and the movie gets away with I think

1212
00:47:21,968 --> 00:47:22,447
mainly because

1213
00:47:23,404 --> 00:47:24,680
Can almost do no wrong.

1214
00:47:25,398 --> 00:47:25,637
Right.

1215
00:47:26,275 --> 00:47:28,907
So we're at the game here more or

1216
00:47:28,907 --> 00:47:32,112
less. They're walking... They they go outside. And

1217
00:47:32,112 --> 00:47:33,966
they see a boat leaving

1218
00:47:34,342 --> 00:47:37,609
a nearby pier, and they also see some

1219
00:47:37,609 --> 00:47:38,507
of the creatures

1220
00:47:38,978 --> 00:47:41,072
kind of lumber along

1221
00:47:41,528 --> 00:47:44,318
the edge of the coasts. Yes. And their

1222
00:47:44,318 --> 00:47:47,121
usual frustrating elephant mind fashion.

1223
00:47:48,555 --> 00:47:51,125
They themselves, the creatures appear frustrated

1224
00:47:51,501 --> 00:47:53,673
because they can see all of these things

1225
00:47:53,731 --> 00:47:55,738
out there making noise the they would be

1226
00:47:55,738 --> 00:47:57,734
trying to kill if there weren't a bunch

1227
00:47:57,734 --> 00:47:59,889
of water in the way. It's not a

1228
00:47:59,889 --> 00:48:03,880
hundred percent clear why Sam believes that she

1229
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,926
needs to serve as a distraction in order

1230
00:48:06,926 --> 00:48:08,761
to give Eric his opening.

1231
00:48:09,399 --> 00:48:11,233
I feel like they probably both could have

1232
00:48:11,233 --> 00:48:13,546
made it to shore and then swim for

1233
00:48:13,546 --> 00:48:14,206
the barge

1234
00:48:14,599 --> 00:48:17,475
but that's not how it goes down. Yeah.

1235
00:48:17,795 --> 00:48:19,633
It's a decision that she seems to arrive

1236
00:48:19,633 --> 00:48:21,950
at and that the movie kind of arrives

1237
00:48:21,950 --> 00:48:22,244
at

1238
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:24,032
fairly abruptly,

1239
00:48:24,509 --> 00:48:26,757
which I sort of liked because John K

1240
00:48:26,973 --> 00:48:29,356
death in the first 1 is very be.

1241
00:48:29,769 --> 00:48:30,967
Know, I mean, they they milk it for

1242
00:48:30,967 --> 00:48:33,442
all it's worth, and that's appropriate because there's

1243
00:48:33,442 --> 00:48:35,278
some pay those there. And and the these

1244
00:48:35,278 --> 00:48:37,135
these movies all have kind of a mod

1245
00:48:37,274 --> 00:48:39,110
streak. I think that's something that this 1

1246
00:48:39,110 --> 00:48:39,485
inherit

1247
00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:41,904
from the first 2. It's just part of

1248
00:48:41,904 --> 00:48:45,235
the genetic code of this franchise, but they

1249
00:48:45,235 --> 00:48:47,218
don't be labor the point this time. She

1250
00:48:47,218 --> 00:48:49,378
kind of just flies into action. She grabs

1251
00:48:49,378 --> 00:48:52,340
a tire iron and starts smashing windows of

1252
00:48:52,396 --> 00:48:54,541
parked cars in their vicinity.

1253
00:48:54,954 --> 00:48:57,123
Well, I mean, there's a brief sort of

1254
00:48:57,180 --> 00:49:01,416
goodbye where she trades his jacket for her

1255
00:49:01,711 --> 00:49:04,671
sweater and hands off. That's right. And says...

1256
00:49:04,990 --> 00:49:07,141
That's... Yeah. That's right. Take care of the

1257
00:49:07,141 --> 00:49:09,532
cat. Okay. Now run. But then, yeah.

1258
00:49:10,263 --> 00:49:12,720
She grabs the tire iron starts setting off

1259
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:14,568
a bunch of noise makers, basically.

1260
00:49:15,178 --> 00:49:17,660
Yeah. There's a ceiling on how

1261
00:49:18,127 --> 00:49:21,251
yous your tearful goodbye can be in a

1262
00:49:21,387 --> 00:49:23,374
situation like this, which I think is something

1263
00:49:23,374 --> 00:49:25,361
the movies have going for them, given that

1264
00:49:25,361 --> 00:49:27,681
they do have that mod streak, you know,

1265
00:49:27,839 --> 00:49:30,454
the water works can't get. Yeah. Yeah. It

1266
00:49:30,454 --> 00:49:33,149
doesn't go doesn't go from mod to,

1267
00:49:34,021 --> 00:49:34,521
mock

1268
00:49:34,908 --> 00:49:36,416
per... Yeah. Right. Right.

1269
00:49:38,878 --> 00:49:41,577
Meanwhile, he's heading in the other direction, and

1270
00:49:41,577 --> 00:49:43,324
he makes it out to the pier, but

1271
00:49:43,324 --> 00:49:43,824
he

1272
00:49:44,213 --> 00:49:47,555
accidentally kicks an empty aluminum can or something.

1273
00:49:48,033 --> 00:49:48,510
So

1274
00:49:49,067 --> 00:49:50,340
it's a race to the end of the

1275
00:49:50,340 --> 00:49:51,375
pier, and, of course,

1276
00:49:52,012 --> 00:49:53,046
as you might expect,

1277
00:49:53,618 --> 00:49:55,286
the creatures and he reached the end of

1278
00:49:55,286 --> 00:49:58,462
the pier basically at the same time before

1279
00:49:58,462 --> 00:50:01,797
finish. Yeah. They're swiping after him as he

1280
00:50:01,797 --> 00:50:04,041
leaps into the water just out of reach.

1281
00:50:04,679 --> 00:50:06,672
Which it's 1 of their it's 1 of

1282
00:50:06,672 --> 00:50:07,491
their patented

1283
00:50:07,869 --> 00:50:10,420
flying tackle that they've been doing ever since

1284
00:50:10,420 --> 00:50:12,117
they've mir John K

1285
00:50:12,429 --> 00:50:14,976
son in the opening pro log of the

1286
00:50:14,976 --> 00:50:17,045
first movie. You know, it seems they always...

1287
00:50:17,363 --> 00:50:19,614
They have a tendency to want to get

1288
00:50:19,671 --> 00:50:22,474
airborne right before they kill. You know, Yes.

1289
00:50:22,634 --> 00:50:22,713
It's...

1290
00:50:23,832 --> 00:50:25,350
Don't I don't know why.

1291
00:50:25,989 --> 00:50:29,186
But it narrowly misses him. They're both airborne,

1292
00:50:29,346 --> 00:50:30,119
and then he

1293
00:50:30,478 --> 00:50:33,430
sp into the water. With the cat. Yes.

1294
00:50:33,988 --> 00:50:36,062
As we said, cat makes it all the

1295
00:50:36,062 --> 00:50:39,592
way. Mh. So he swims to the barge

1296
00:50:40,224 --> 00:50:43,816
gets helped board by Jim Hon. As we

1297
00:50:43,816 --> 00:50:46,211
said, he does come back. Very briefly. He's

1298
00:50:46,211 --> 00:50:48,605
the 1 who's who spots something happening on

1299
00:50:48,605 --> 00:50:50,539
the dock and is like, stop the boat.

1300
00:50:51,179 --> 00:50:51,420
Yeah.

1301
00:50:52,059 --> 00:50:54,460
Exactly. And then... Yeah. So the the cat

1302
00:50:54,460 --> 00:50:56,559
and Eric both make it, and

1303
00:50:57,272 --> 00:50:57,772
Sam

1304
00:50:58,150 --> 00:51:01,259
monologue a little bit and is walking down

1305
00:51:01,259 --> 00:51:04,529
a deserted street somewhere in New York, listening

1306
00:51:04,529 --> 00:51:05,565
to her ipod.

1307
00:51:06,296 --> 00:51:09,175
Crucially, it's mounted into some kind of speaker

1308
00:51:09,389 --> 00:51:12,085
apparatus, and then the headphones are jacked into

1309
00:51:12,085 --> 00:51:12,322
that.

1310
00:51:12,957 --> 00:51:15,831
And so when I guess she's picked her

1311
00:51:15,831 --> 00:51:16,228
moment.

1312
00:51:16,944 --> 00:51:18,454
She yank the

1313
00:51:19,010 --> 00:51:21,889
headphone jack and the music just starts playing

1314
00:51:21,889 --> 00:51:23,889
in the open, and it's feeling good, the...

1315
00:51:24,929 --> 00:51:26,789
Simone. Yeah. Version. Alberto

1316
00:51:27,570 --> 00:51:28,070
Alberto.

1317
00:51:29,010 --> 00:51:31,980
Yeah. They timed it just right. I was

1318
00:51:31,980 --> 00:51:33,915
curious as to how

1319
00:51:34,531 --> 00:51:36,764
a cut to black was inevitable. Yeah.

1320
00:51:37,561 --> 00:51:39,097
And I didn't know

1321
00:51:39,489 --> 00:51:42,449
where exactly the creature was gonna land at

1322
00:51:42,449 --> 00:51:44,210
what point in the music it was gonna

1323
00:51:44,210 --> 00:51:45,510
happen. And I

1324
00:51:45,809 --> 00:51:46,469
I was

1325
00:51:46,784 --> 00:51:49,101
I mean, not super concerned, but I I

1326
00:51:49,101 --> 00:51:51,338
was wondering, like, is this gonna hit, like,

1327
00:51:51,498 --> 00:51:52,217
just wrong?

1328
00:51:53,336 --> 00:51:55,828
Right just, you know, like, like Johnny Depp

1329
00:51:55,828 --> 00:51:58,386
says in secret window of movie that I

1330
00:51:58,386 --> 00:52:00,863
invoke more than it deserves and the only

1331
00:52:00,863 --> 00:52:02,781
for thing Right? The only thing that matters

1332
00:52:02,781 --> 00:52:04,380
is the ending. You don't wanna trip at

1333
00:52:04,380 --> 00:52:06,698
the finish line. So I I agree. I'm

1334
00:52:06,698 --> 00:52:09,262
with you. Yeah. And, ultimately,

1335
00:52:09,873 --> 00:52:13,310
they time a creature hitting the ground

1336
00:52:13,619 --> 00:52:16,579
a moderate distance behind her to go with

1337
00:52:16,579 --> 00:52:19,059
a boom cut to black all at once,

1338
00:52:19,300 --> 00:52:20,980
and then the song keeps playing over the

1339
00:52:20,980 --> 00:52:22,199
credit. So they did

1340
00:52:22,751 --> 00:52:25,610
successfully time that there at the end. And

1341
00:52:25,610 --> 00:52:28,231
the fact that they sustain the song into

1342
00:52:28,231 --> 00:52:28,970
the credits

1343
00:52:29,502 --> 00:52:31,902
makes it less of a gut punch because

1344
00:52:31,902 --> 00:52:33,811
it kind of leaves you with a feeling

1345
00:52:33,811 --> 00:52:35,186
that Sam has triumph

1346
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,503
in some way. Yeah. Because she's picked her

1347
00:52:38,503 --> 00:52:38,822
moment.

1348
00:52:39,394 --> 00:52:42,131
Yeah. Died on her own terms. And she

1349
00:52:42,350 --> 00:52:42,850
successfully

1350
00:52:43,309 --> 00:52:46,345
saved both this dude that she just met.

1351
00:52:46,599 --> 00:52:47,795
And also her cat.

1352
00:52:48,514 --> 00:52:51,225
So that's as much of a win as

1353
00:52:51,225 --> 00:52:54,097
a terminal cancer patient in the midst of

1354
00:52:54,097 --> 00:52:55,931
an apocalypse is going to get.

1355
00:52:56,584 --> 00:52:56,981
Really Yeah.

1356
00:52:57,935 --> 00:52:58,809
More after the break.

1357
00:53:43,598 --> 00:53:46,469
Hello listeners. It's Jim. Here is always during

1358
00:53:46,469 --> 00:53:48,303
the break to tell you some stuff you

1359
00:53:48,303 --> 00:53:49,340
probably already know.

1360
00:53:50,310 --> 00:53:52,537
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1361
00:53:52,537 --> 00:53:56,037
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1362
00:53:56,037 --> 00:53:58,527
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1363
00:53:58,607 --> 00:53:59,646
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1364
00:54:00,445 --> 00:54:02,682
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1365
00:54:03,081 --> 00:54:04,440
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1366
00:54:05,253 --> 00:54:06,607
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1367
00:54:06,607 --> 00:54:08,599
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1368
00:54:08,599 --> 00:54:10,590
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1369
00:54:10,590 --> 00:54:13,140
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1370
00:54:13,140 --> 00:54:14,255
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1371
00:54:15,067 --> 00:54:16,980
And now back to the show.

1372
00:54:47,768 --> 00:54:48,565
And we're back.

1373
00:54:49,761 --> 00:54:51,913
Matt, how about you get things going here?

1374
00:54:52,949 --> 00:54:54,086
Well, I like

1375
00:54:54,463 --> 00:54:55,282
Michael Ser.

1376
00:54:55,672 --> 00:54:57,735
I like what I've been calling his indie

1377
00:54:57,735 --> 00:54:58,235
sen.

1378
00:54:58,926 --> 00:55:00,514
You know, you can point to clerk. You

1379
00:55:00,514 --> 00:55:01,942
can point to all all sorts of things.

1380
00:55:02,101 --> 00:55:03,688
You can obviously point the pig.

1381
00:55:04,419 --> 00:55:06,255
There were points in this movie,

1382
00:55:06,814 --> 00:55:08,810
you know, the fact that it's about pizza,

1383
00:55:08,969 --> 00:55:10,407
the fact that it's about her cat.

1384
00:55:11,444 --> 00:55:12,802
There were times when I thought, you know,

1385
00:55:12,881 --> 00:55:14,514
this is what you'd get if

1386
00:55:14,892 --> 00:55:17,606
I am legend was also inside Lu Davis,

1387
00:55:17,846 --> 00:55:20,022
You know? It's just... There there's a shot

1388
00:55:20,081 --> 00:55:21,757
of her near the beginning of the movie

1389
00:55:21,757 --> 00:55:24,429
on a bus, obviously before everything goes to

1390
00:55:24,489 --> 00:55:25,609
hell in a hand basket,

1391
00:55:26,250 --> 00:55:27,849
you know, sort of resting her head against

1392
00:55:27,849 --> 00:55:28,730
the glass window,

1393
00:55:29,210 --> 00:55:30,089
cats in her lap,

1394
00:55:30,664 --> 00:55:32,818
and it is very blue and Davis, but

1395
00:55:32,818 --> 00:55:35,370
then it also gets very... I am legend.

1396
00:55:35,609 --> 00:55:38,161
And all of that is good. I don't

1397
00:55:38,161 --> 00:55:40,496
think that it totally gets away

1398
00:55:40,889 --> 00:55:41,389
from

1399
00:55:42,005 --> 00:55:44,978
some of the hang ups of the previous

1400
00:55:45,036 --> 00:55:47,349
2 installments that I didn't care for. I

1401
00:55:47,349 --> 00:55:49,582
don't think that it fully redeem the creatures,

1402
00:55:49,742 --> 00:55:52,486
although I like some of the little course

1403
00:55:52,623 --> 00:55:54,692
corrections that it does, and the way that

1404
00:55:54,692 --> 00:55:57,396
they sort of crash around, like,

1405
00:55:58,209 --> 00:55:59,108
enraged rhino

1406
00:56:00,206 --> 00:56:00,446
didn't...

1407
00:56:01,165 --> 00:56:03,402
Either the Apex of that problem for me

1408
00:56:03,402 --> 00:56:06,371
was in quiet place part 2. Bothered me

1409
00:56:06,371 --> 00:56:07,807
a little in the first movie, but not

1410
00:56:07,807 --> 00:56:09,003
as much as it did in the second

1411
00:56:09,003 --> 00:56:11,875
1. In this movie, I was mostly okay

1412
00:56:11,875 --> 00:56:14,028
with it just because this being set in

1413
00:56:14,108 --> 00:56:17,071
New York, it's bound to be fucking bed,

1414
00:56:17,549 --> 00:56:20,040
You know know. And so that amount of

1415
00:56:20,257 --> 00:56:20,757
noise

1416
00:56:21,292 --> 00:56:23,601
is less. It just blends in better.

1417
00:56:24,254 --> 00:56:26,588
That said, it did bother me

1418
00:56:27,204 --> 00:56:29,218
right at the tail end of the movie

1419
00:56:29,516 --> 00:56:32,386
when they're chasing Eric over the docks.

1420
00:56:32,959 --> 00:56:34,338
1 of them just

1421
00:56:34,717 --> 00:56:37,355
smash into a big wooden crate and just

1422
00:56:37,355 --> 00:56:40,391
fucking obliterate that splinter go flying, and I'm

1423
00:56:40,391 --> 00:56:42,445
just thinking what I thought all through quite

1424
00:56:42,644 --> 00:56:44,957
place part 2, and probably once or twice

1425
00:56:44,957 --> 00:56:46,393
in the first movie if I had to

1426
00:56:46,393 --> 00:56:49,982
guess, would they not just constantly be attacking

1427
00:56:49,982 --> 00:56:51,737
1 another? You know, I mean, they are

1428
00:56:51,737 --> 00:56:52,237
blind

1429
00:56:52,788 --> 00:56:54,779
Yeah. You know, if if they produce that

1430
00:56:54,779 --> 00:56:56,930
much noise, it would just be like, cha

1431
00:56:56,930 --> 00:56:58,603
in their in their radar, You know, it

1432
00:56:58,603 --> 00:57:00,514
would just be like, impossible for them to

1433
00:57:00,514 --> 00:57:01,014
triangulate

1434
00:57:02,044 --> 00:57:02,544
anything.

1435
00:57:03,163 --> 00:57:06,540
Yeah obviously, if they're communicating with their horrible

1436
00:57:06,919 --> 00:57:08,698
sq s voices,

1437
00:57:09,237 --> 00:57:11,887
then they know. Okay. That's not That's 1

1438
00:57:11,887 --> 00:57:14,357
of ours. And they do do a little

1439
00:57:14,357 --> 00:57:15,791
more of that in this movie. There's a

1440
00:57:15,791 --> 00:57:18,044
scene. I think it's the egg hatching scene

1441
00:57:18,182 --> 00:57:19,616
where they kind of talk to each other,

1442
00:57:19,695 --> 00:57:20,195
like

1443
00:57:21,543 --> 00:57:23,936
you know, that almost, like, spraying noise that

1444
00:57:23,936 --> 00:57:26,510
the raptors do in the jurassic park movies

1445
00:57:26,648 --> 00:57:28,802
where they kinda crane their head back and,

1446
00:57:28,881 --> 00:57:30,556
you know, when they've got something to say.

1447
00:57:31,289 --> 00:57:32,566
Yeah. Exactly. Rural.

1448
00:57:34,641 --> 00:57:36,317
And that I liked. I don't remember them

1449
00:57:36,317 --> 00:57:38,472
doing that in the previous 2 movies, but

1450
00:57:38,472 --> 00:57:39,691
they they might have

1451
00:57:40,003 --> 00:57:41,833
So that's exempt, they can make as much

1452
00:57:41,833 --> 00:57:43,981
of those noises as they want. But when

1453
00:57:43,981 --> 00:57:47,720
they're just getting crash smash in the environment.

1454
00:57:47,958 --> 00:57:50,046
That's what I take on bridge with, and

1455
00:57:50,046 --> 00:57:52,441
there's not that much of that in this

1456
00:57:52,441 --> 00:57:52,760
movie,

1457
00:57:53,319 --> 00:57:55,155
but what is there is just as arc

1458
00:57:55,155 --> 00:57:56,352
to me as it's always been?

1459
00:57:56,990 --> 00:57:59,718
Yeah. I guess you could potentially make the

1460
00:57:59,718 --> 00:58:03,307
argument that they could also know what each

1461
00:58:03,307 --> 00:58:05,721
other making t t noises

1462
00:58:06,098 --> 00:58:08,264
sounds like and they can filter that out,

1463
00:58:08,503 --> 00:58:10,332
but that seems like a reach, and I

1464
00:58:10,491 --> 00:58:13,457
I think it at best that would only

1465
00:58:13,673 --> 00:58:16,003
be even kind of convincing

1466
00:58:16,712 --> 00:58:17,929
when they are just

1467
00:58:18,306 --> 00:58:21,096
tram along the ground and not when as

1468
00:58:21,096 --> 00:58:23,486
you point out in this particular moment,

1469
00:58:24,217 --> 00:58:24,717
they're

1470
00:58:25,090 --> 00:58:27,177
smashing through and shattering

1471
00:58:27,629 --> 00:58:31,143
objects. Yeah. Because the the object shattering noise

1472
00:58:31,199 --> 00:58:35,582
is not necessarily a familiar default noise that

1473
00:58:35,582 --> 00:58:37,965
they know they can ignore. It wouldn't be,

1474
00:58:38,045 --> 00:58:40,586
you know, on their home planet presumably wouldn't

1475
00:58:40,586 --> 00:58:43,557
create Yeah. I mean, who knows, what kind

1476
00:58:43,557 --> 00:58:46,034
of genetic memories they have or how many

1477
00:58:46,034 --> 00:58:49,311
other planets they've conquered or whether they're at

1478
00:58:49,311 --> 00:58:52,592
all intelligent just seem like, kinda Apex predators.

1479
00:58:52,989 --> 00:58:55,376
Well almost like they've been weaponized by some

1480
00:58:55,376 --> 00:58:58,176
different species. I don't know if this series

1481
00:58:58,176 --> 00:59:00,088
is ever gonna zoom that far out.

1482
00:59:00,726 --> 00:59:02,797
But, you know, it just seems... I just

1483
00:59:02,797 --> 00:59:05,108
don't know what brought them here or who,

1484
00:59:05,507 --> 00:59:06,724
whether it was just

1485
00:59:08,226 --> 00:59:08,726
cosmic

1486
00:59:09,258 --> 00:59:09,758
unfortunate

1487
00:59:10,290 --> 00:59:13,385
for the human race or whether it's a

1488
00:59:13,385 --> 00:59:14,202
deliberate conquest

1489
00:59:14,734 --> 00:59:15,789
because they don't seem

1490
00:59:16,098 --> 00:59:19,110
smarter than say, a panther by way of

1491
00:59:19,110 --> 00:59:20,379
a rhino offs, you know?

1492
00:59:22,757 --> 00:59:26,284
You talk about zooming out a vaguely interesting

1493
00:59:26,284 --> 00:59:28,125
thought is occurring to me kind of in

1494
00:59:28,125 --> 00:59:30,144
the other direction, which would

1495
00:59:30,525 --> 00:59:31,344
get around

1496
00:59:31,644 --> 00:59:34,473
the problem of the monsters just

1497
00:59:35,007 --> 00:59:37,473
distracting each other with their own noises. I

1498
00:59:37,473 --> 00:59:39,462
feel like it might be kind of interesting.

1499
00:59:39,701 --> 00:59:43,364
If some future installment depending on how many

1500
00:59:43,364 --> 00:59:47,250
fucking entries this series can sustain or people

1501
00:59:47,250 --> 00:59:49,882
think it can sustain how many spin offs

1502
00:59:49,882 --> 00:59:51,628
they might wanna do, but it might be

1503
00:59:51,628 --> 00:59:54,245
kind of interesting if they just took, like,

1504
00:59:54,641 --> 00:59:56,014
1 of these creatures

1505
00:59:56,482 --> 00:59:59,605
and put it in some kind of enclosed

1506
00:59:59,661 --> 01:00:03,317
space with 1 human protagonist or like, a

1507
01:00:03,317 --> 01:00:05,730
couple. And then... Yeah. Yeah. Like, like, a

1508
01:00:05,730 --> 01:00:07,969
rip alien. Yeah. More more of an alien.

1509
01:00:08,289 --> 01:00:08,849
Would be sick.

1510
01:00:09,569 --> 01:00:11,429
Except the x morph can only

1511
01:00:11,822 --> 01:00:14,839
here that presents its own various challenges. Right.

1512
01:00:14,998 --> 01:00:17,221
And rather than having acid to blood, it

1513
01:00:17,221 --> 01:00:18,435
is just generally

1514
01:00:18,967 --> 01:00:20,599
bulletproof unless it's horrible

1515
01:00:21,219 --> 01:00:24,900
flesh flower face kind of pedals open. Right,

1516
01:00:25,059 --> 01:00:26,180
which we don't see a lot of in

1517
01:00:26,180 --> 01:00:28,875
this movie. There's not really any gun play

1518
01:00:29,074 --> 01:00:31,141
to speak of in this movie. The first

1519
01:00:31,141 --> 01:00:33,766
2 were more video gaming in that respect

1520
01:00:33,766 --> 01:00:35,889
and that the characters had to get them

1521
01:00:35,929 --> 01:00:38,960
monsters to reveal their flesh p saving weak

1522
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,511
point. You know, they had to take, you

1523
01:00:41,511 --> 01:00:44,143
know, was in classic, like, resident evil fashion.

1524
01:00:44,621 --> 01:00:45,121
Almost

1525
01:00:45,591 --> 01:00:47,736
more fundamental than that, I'd call it almost

1526
01:00:47,736 --> 01:00:49,427
a a house of the dead

1527
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,422
thing. Yeah as an evil thing. House of

1528
01:00:52,422 --> 01:00:54,089
the dead Or, like, you you sell the

1529
01:00:54,089 --> 01:00:54,589
bosses

1530
01:00:54,899 --> 01:00:57,453
you know, Yeah. Exactly. It's it's it is

1531
01:00:57,453 --> 01:01:00,166
as as elementary as it gets. Yeah. And

1532
01:01:00,166 --> 01:01:02,480
there's there's none of that this time around.

1533
01:01:02,893 --> 01:01:05,294
But it does not completely escape the shackles

1534
01:01:05,349 --> 01:01:09,073
of video game, logic and language. I don't

1535
01:01:09,073 --> 01:01:11,548
think it's just rather than putting them in

1536
01:01:11,548 --> 01:01:14,171
in mind of something like the last of

1537
01:01:14,171 --> 01:01:16,317
us. Because the the problem that these movies

1538
01:01:16,317 --> 01:01:17,770
run into pretty chronically

1539
01:01:18,144 --> 01:01:18,883
is that

1540
01:01:19,274 --> 01:01:22,310
not being able to make noise. That feels

1541
01:01:22,310 --> 01:01:25,266
like a video game predicament to me. Obviously,

1542
01:01:25,586 --> 01:01:28,079
the essence of suspense is, like, I don't

1543
01:01:28,079 --> 01:01:29,920
want the bad thing to hear me. I

1544
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:31,519
want to get away from the bad thing.

1545
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,319
I'm gonna tip toe around my apartment and

1546
01:01:34,319 --> 01:01:35,699
get away from Michael Myers

1547
01:01:36,092 --> 01:01:38,638
or whoever the fuck. That... That that's fine.

1548
01:01:38,797 --> 01:01:39,513
But usually,

1549
01:01:39,911 --> 01:01:42,615
you don't sustain that for 90 minutes and

1550
01:01:42,615 --> 01:01:45,659
when you do, it feels video gaming, I

1551
01:01:45,659 --> 01:01:47,036
think because that predicament

1552
01:01:47,412 --> 01:01:51,092
is not dramatically interesting for a character or

1553
01:01:51,092 --> 01:01:53,471
so much as it is mechanically interesting for

1554
01:01:53,471 --> 01:01:55,533
a player. You know, it's just it's a

1555
01:01:55,533 --> 01:01:58,150
problem to be solved. You wanna use, like,

1556
01:01:58,229 --> 01:02:00,717
a distract an object to lure the creature

1557
01:02:00,717 --> 01:02:02,954
away from yourself, and then you want to

1558
01:02:02,954 --> 01:02:05,671
stick to certain surfaces that you don't produce

1559
01:02:05,671 --> 01:02:08,475
any undue noise and you know, you you

1560
01:02:08,475 --> 01:02:10,543
start thinking about it, like, if I were

1561
01:02:10,543 --> 01:02:12,292
in that situation, what would I be doing

1562
01:02:12,292 --> 01:02:15,130
differently? And that's a good thing in a

1563
01:02:15,407 --> 01:02:16,940
suspense thriller, but it also

1564
01:02:17,552 --> 01:02:18,052
activates

1565
01:02:18,584 --> 01:02:21,126
the gamer nodes in my brain and make

1566
01:02:21,126 --> 01:02:22,714
me feel like I ought to have my

1567
01:02:22,714 --> 01:02:24,302
hand on the controller, and I don't.

1568
01:02:25,033 --> 01:02:27,184
So that is still at play here, but

1569
01:02:27,184 --> 01:02:29,654
it is a different flavor of video game,

1570
01:02:29,813 --> 01:02:31,726
I think rather than putting me in mind

1571
01:02:31,726 --> 01:02:33,956
of, say, like, the last of us, like

1572
01:02:33,956 --> 01:02:37,026
a more kind of Oscar beatty aaa

1573
01:02:37,645 --> 01:02:39,263
kind of post apocalyptic

1574
01:02:39,802 --> 01:02:42,610
weep. It feels more like like a like

1575
01:02:42,610 --> 01:02:44,841
like an indie thing, like a side scrolling

1576
01:02:44,841 --> 01:02:46,137
a survival horror

1577
01:02:46,594 --> 01:02:48,665
thing with a name like Pizza quest.

1578
01:02:49,556 --> 01:02:51,706
But it have, like, like, chip tune music,

1579
01:02:52,184 --> 01:02:54,675
you know, it'd be, like, deliberately low thigh

1580
01:02:54,733 --> 01:02:56,724
or maybe, like Ps s 1 graphics or

1581
01:02:56,724 --> 01:02:58,886
something like that. Not knocking the look of

1582
01:02:58,886 --> 01:03:01,348
the movie. It looks better than fine. But

1583
01:03:01,428 --> 01:03:03,493
I think that it's funny that it turned

1584
01:03:03,493 --> 01:03:05,002
out that way. My... I don't know if

1585
01:03:05,081 --> 01:03:07,505
I'm talking since you know Michael Michael Ser

1586
01:03:07,641 --> 01:03:10,269
brings that kind of ind indie street cr

1587
01:03:10,269 --> 01:03:12,657
to it. And it's it's I don't know.

1588
01:03:12,896 --> 01:03:14,899
I would I would play I would play

1589
01:03:14,899 --> 01:03:17,304
these games, but in particular, I would play

1590
01:03:17,359 --> 01:03:20,374
this game. This 1 that's mostly about taking

1591
01:03:20,374 --> 01:03:21,168
care of your cat.

1592
01:03:22,058 --> 01:03:24,950
And and hunting down a slice of pizza

1593
01:03:25,168 --> 01:03:26,306
in the midst of

1594
01:03:26,763 --> 01:03:29,474
civilization collapsing around your ears. I mean, I

1595
01:03:29,474 --> 01:03:30,804
like the last of us too. I'm not

1596
01:03:31,003 --> 01:03:33,232
in that either, But III like... There's something

1597
01:03:33,232 --> 01:03:35,461
about the way the drama is pitched here,

1598
01:03:35,700 --> 01:03:37,769
put me in mind of. The kind of

1599
01:03:37,769 --> 01:03:40,091
game that would like steam is doing its

1600
01:03:40,091 --> 01:03:41,920
summer sail right now. Maybe that's why I

1601
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:43,748
have video games on the brain. But it's...

1602
01:03:43,987 --> 01:03:46,213
It just feels like rather than a aaa

1603
01:03:46,213 --> 01:03:47,740
thing it feels like the kind of game

1604
01:03:47,740 --> 01:03:50,630
that would retail for, like, 2 99

1605
01:03:50,927 --> 01:03:52,919
discounted. It'd be over in a matter of

1606
01:03:52,919 --> 01:03:55,240
hours and there'd be a good ending and

1607
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:57,544
a bad ending that would hinge entirely on

1608
01:03:57,544 --> 01:03:59,132
whether you were able to save the cat.

1609
01:03:59,688 --> 01:04:02,706
In any case, the video game thing appears

1610
01:04:02,706 --> 01:04:04,474
to be sort of in a capable at

1611
01:04:04,474 --> 01:04:07,675
least for me, but obviously, different directors can

1612
01:04:07,675 --> 01:04:09,434
make it feel like a different kind of

1613
01:04:09,434 --> 01:04:11,855
video. Okay. So that's

1614
01:04:12,155 --> 01:04:13,609
something to be said for that. I guys

1615
01:04:13,690 --> 01:04:15,929
If it feels fresh. I think that if

1616
01:04:15,929 --> 01:04:17,849
you were to have had limited it to

1617
01:04:17,849 --> 01:04:19,849
just the 1 monster and just do an

1618
01:04:19,849 --> 01:04:20,829
alien past

1619
01:04:21,130 --> 01:04:23,377
or it's either pitted against 1 person or

1620
01:04:23,377 --> 01:04:25,289
it's picking off a group of people 1

1621
01:04:25,289 --> 01:04:27,521
at the time, a lot the first alien,

1622
01:04:27,998 --> 01:04:28,897
that might

1623
01:04:29,368 --> 01:04:31,695
be what you need in order to

1624
01:04:32,069 --> 01:04:35,246
snip the thread that's binding this to. That

1625
01:04:35,246 --> 01:04:37,194
might be what you need to escape the

1626
01:04:37,414 --> 01:04:38,394
gravitational pull

1627
01:04:38,934 --> 01:04:39,434
of

1628
01:04:39,815 --> 01:04:42,775
video games for my money, at least because

1629
01:04:42,855 --> 01:04:43,974
I don't know. I think it's something to

1630
01:04:43,974 --> 01:04:45,275
do with having to traverse

1631
01:04:45,670 --> 01:04:48,626
an environment that's overrun with these things.

1632
01:04:49,186 --> 01:04:50,544
You know, if it were just 1 of

1633
01:04:50,544 --> 01:04:52,622
them. I mean, some video games do do

1634
01:04:52,622 --> 01:04:55,353
that alien isolation did that or is just

1635
01:04:55,353 --> 01:04:58,384
the 1 by and large. But that's plus

1636
01:04:58,384 --> 01:05:00,000
a couple of, you know, malfunctioning

1637
01:05:00,457 --> 01:05:03,169
robots. Right. And that that... But that's an

1638
01:05:03,169 --> 01:05:05,898
outlier. Usually video games pit you against a

1639
01:05:05,898 --> 01:05:06,457
small army.

1640
01:05:07,016 --> 01:05:09,254
And because that's always the setup in these

1641
01:05:09,254 --> 01:05:12,071
movies are always outnumbered. It just in invariably

1642
01:05:12,130 --> 01:05:13,742
kind of feels like I I ought to

1643
01:05:13,742 --> 01:05:16,295
be playing it rather than watching it. Yeah.

1644
01:05:16,934 --> 01:05:17,753
1 thing

1645
01:05:18,290 --> 01:05:20,386
that I found myself missing

1646
01:05:20,777 --> 01:05:22,927
about the first quiet place as I was

1647
01:05:22,927 --> 01:05:24,996
watching this. It's something that made that first

1648
01:05:24,996 --> 01:05:26,929
movie fun that I don't think I really

1649
01:05:27,066 --> 01:05:29,391
appreciated it until I watched day 1. Because

1650
01:05:29,471 --> 01:05:30,827
I have no great love for that first

1651
01:05:30,827 --> 01:05:33,300
movie here. I think it's okay, but I

1652
01:05:33,300 --> 01:05:34,597
wound up retroactively

1653
01:05:34,974 --> 01:05:37,208
appreciating this aspect of it more, which is,

1654
01:05:37,447 --> 01:05:40,091
it has that sort of... I don't know

1655
01:05:40,091 --> 01:05:41,684
what to like in it too other than

1656
01:05:41,684 --> 01:05:43,537
maybe Swiss family Robinson

1657
01:05:44,232 --> 01:05:46,143
kind of thing going for it where you

1658
01:05:46,143 --> 01:05:46,643
see

1659
01:05:47,033 --> 01:05:47,771
the family

1660
01:05:48,622 --> 01:05:49,917
imposing normalcy

1661
01:05:50,370 --> 01:05:51,165
upon chaos.

1662
01:05:51,641 --> 01:05:54,105
They've made they've made sense of things in

1663
01:05:54,105 --> 01:05:56,581
their own limited way. And and it it

1664
01:05:56,581 --> 01:05:58,565
gives it that kind of... And I it's

1665
01:05:58,565 --> 01:05:59,541
it's kind of satisfying

1666
01:05:59,994 --> 01:06:00,469
to watch...

1667
01:06:01,342 --> 01:06:02,532
I don't know. Maybe there's just a part

1668
01:06:02,532 --> 01:06:05,102
of us that pines for the frontier or

1669
01:06:05,102 --> 01:06:07,979
like there's something for us that wants to

1670
01:06:07,979 --> 01:06:10,057
put our stamp on the wilderness, but, like,

1671
01:06:10,137 --> 01:06:11,436
they it is it is satisfying.

1672
01:06:12,068 --> 01:06:12,864
To watch them,

1673
01:06:13,501 --> 01:06:16,605
figure out a workable system for having a

1674
01:06:16,605 --> 01:06:19,152
normal ish life, all the little rules that

1675
01:06:19,152 --> 01:06:21,061
they have to abide by. That's fun.

1676
01:06:21,713 --> 01:06:23,458
And you don't get that at all in

1677
01:06:23,458 --> 01:06:25,443
this movie because there is no time jump,

1678
01:06:25,601 --> 01:06:26,871
or, you know I mean, in there's no

1679
01:06:26,871 --> 01:06:28,617
time jump in the original movie either. I'm

1680
01:06:28,617 --> 01:06:30,944
thinking of part 2, which does open with

1681
01:06:30,944 --> 01:06:33,338
the initial meteor right shower. But the... You,

1682
01:06:33,497 --> 01:06:35,434
this is not... This is in the immediate

1683
01:06:35,811 --> 01:06:36,050
aftermath.

1684
01:06:36,623 --> 01:06:37,180
Of the

1685
01:06:38,134 --> 01:06:40,996
monsters making planet at fall. So you don't

1686
01:06:40,996 --> 01:06:43,301
get any of that Swiss family Robinson and

1687
01:06:43,301 --> 01:06:45,527
fun, and I did find myself missing that.

1688
01:06:46,179 --> 01:06:48,574
That's the 1 area. I think we're... I

1689
01:06:48,574 --> 01:06:51,208
would say that day 1 definitely comes up

1690
01:06:51,208 --> 01:06:52,906
short compared to its predecessor.

1691
01:06:53,523 --> 01:06:56,015
Yeah. Yeah. I'd say it's fair. On the

1692
01:06:56,015 --> 01:06:57,855
other hand, I am a fan of what

1693
01:06:57,855 --> 01:06:59,394
we've kind of classified

1694
01:06:59,695 --> 01:07:01,394
as this movie's

1695
01:07:01,695 --> 01:07:03,155
more indie sensibilities

1696
01:07:03,949 --> 01:07:06,735
I mean. You know, I've I've already cited

1697
01:07:06,894 --> 01:07:07,213
Clerk.

1698
01:07:08,009 --> 01:07:08,567
I am, yeah.

1699
01:07:09,203 --> 01:07:12,012
I'm a a fairly big fan of

1700
01:07:12,324 --> 01:07:14,960
Kevin Smith's work, perhaps more than I ought

1701
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:16,478
to be, but that's just 1 of those

1702
01:07:16,478 --> 01:07:19,848
things. I like Ta movies, and I like

1703
01:07:19,848 --> 01:07:22,242
movies about Do, and so ta movies about

1704
01:07:22,401 --> 01:07:22,641
Do.

1705
01:07:23,678 --> 01:07:26,764
Right. Pin at length about their Do interests

1706
01:07:27,202 --> 01:07:29,429
Yeah. That's kind of I clerk a lot.

1707
01:07:29,747 --> 01:07:31,497
I don't think I haven't... I still haven't

1708
01:07:31,497 --> 01:07:33,088
seen dogma mice. I still haven't seen a

1709
01:07:33,088 --> 01:07:36,454
couple of canonical nineties, you know, Kevin smith.

1710
01:07:36,693 --> 01:07:39,327
Haven't seen chasing Amy or Jersey girl for

1711
01:07:39,327 --> 01:07:41,243
that matter, but that's supposed to be a

1712
01:07:41,243 --> 01:07:42,201
low point. Yeah.

1713
01:07:42,774 --> 01:07:44,603
Although I think our our our sense of

1714
01:07:44,603 --> 01:07:46,590
what a... Kevin smith low point is has

1715
01:07:46,590 --> 01:07:47,249
to be

1716
01:07:47,783 --> 01:07:50,566
reevaluate. Fully reevaluate in the wake of yoga

1717
01:07:50,566 --> 01:07:51,536
hose and it's il.

1718
01:07:52,731 --> 01:07:55,518
Yoga hose was truly painful. But... Yeah, it...

1719
01:07:55,677 --> 01:07:56,416
It's the.

1720
01:07:56,872 --> 01:07:57,611
The core

1721
01:07:57,987 --> 01:07:58,487
view

1722
01:08:00,072 --> 01:08:03,409
Right. Kevin Smith films, I think mostly hold

1723
01:08:03,409 --> 01:08:07,063
up. And I also liked pig very much.

1724
01:08:07,301 --> 01:08:09,286
You know, that's the have in common. It's

1725
01:08:09,286 --> 01:08:12,576
just really good. And I wouldn't say that

1726
01:08:12,576 --> 01:08:15,771
this film and pig are super similar because

1727
01:08:15,771 --> 01:08:16,250
they're not.

1728
01:08:18,339 --> 01:08:18,578
But...

1729
01:08:19,296 --> 01:08:21,608
Well, the pig does not survive pigs. So

1730
01:08:21,608 --> 01:08:24,238
that's 1 crucial difference. Yeah. This movie 1

1731
01:08:24,238 --> 01:08:27,528
good deal gentle with animal companion. But I

1732
01:08:27,528 --> 01:08:30,324
can see a through line. I'm not going

1733
01:08:30,324 --> 01:08:30,824
to

1734
01:08:31,364 --> 01:08:34,001
necessarily claim that if I hadn't come into

1735
01:08:34,001 --> 01:08:35,140
this movie knowing

1736
01:08:35,691 --> 01:08:38,069
that it was directed by the same guy

1737
01:08:38,069 --> 01:08:40,367
who directed pig. I would have just come

1738
01:08:40,367 --> 01:08:42,190
to that conclusion. Like, oh, yeah.

1739
01:08:42,999 --> 01:08:45,876
Definitely the director of pig because among other

1740
01:08:45,876 --> 01:08:47,953
reasons, pig is the only other film of

1741
01:08:47,953 --> 01:08:50,671
his. I've seen. I just checked. These are

1742
01:08:50,671 --> 01:08:52,923
the only 2 feature he's directed thus far,

1743
01:08:53,563 --> 01:08:54,063
but

1744
01:08:54,841 --> 01:08:58,618
knowing that it's the same director and having

1745
01:08:58,837 --> 01:09:01,967
enjoyed pig very much. I can see the

1746
01:09:01,967 --> 01:09:04,519
shared Dna there, and I do appreciate it

1747
01:09:04,519 --> 01:09:07,251
for that reason. Yes. It is recognizable

1748
01:09:07,787 --> 01:09:10,100
un film d sa, which I liked.

1749
01:09:12,265 --> 01:09:14,813
And I had forgotten this, but Alex Wolf,

1750
01:09:14,971 --> 01:09:17,520
the actor who plays Ruben, the nurse who

1751
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:18,316
gets killed early.

1752
01:09:18,967 --> 01:09:20,795
Is, I guess, for lack of a better

1753
01:09:20,795 --> 01:09:24,052
term, Nick Cage side kick in pig. Oh,

1754
01:09:24,211 --> 01:09:26,612
yeah. The younger guy, he kinda takes under

1755
01:09:26,612 --> 01:09:29,242
his arm and shows him around the weird

1756
01:09:29,242 --> 01:09:32,031
under belly of is it Portland? I don't

1757
01:09:32,031 --> 01:09:33,806
recall. I think so. Portland

1758
01:09:34,198 --> 01:09:37,792
the the culinary around world. Food scene. Yeah.

1759
01:09:38,989 --> 01:09:41,224
It's it's like John Wick, but for foodie,

1760
01:09:41,384 --> 01:09:42,203
it's very

1761
01:09:42,661 --> 01:09:43,300
very funny.

1762
01:09:43,875 --> 01:09:44,274
Premise.

1763
01:09:44,914 --> 01:09:47,954
You know, the played straight and surprisingly credible.

1764
01:09:48,354 --> 01:09:48,595
Yes.

1765
01:09:49,314 --> 01:09:50,595
Everyone went thought that it was gonna be

1766
01:09:50,595 --> 01:09:52,195
much more of a John wick thing that

1767
01:09:52,195 --> 01:09:54,527
it was gonna be about nick cage. A

1768
01:09:54,527 --> 01:09:55,744
pig. You cute

1769
01:09:56,122 --> 01:09:58,757
heads to ave his slain pig. Yeah. You

1770
01:09:58,757 --> 01:10:00,593
know, it is not. I'm thinking I'm back.

1771
01:10:00,912 --> 01:10:01,950
You, not quite.

1772
01:10:02,841 --> 01:10:05,322
And also, he's the kid from hereditary.

1773
01:10:06,091 --> 01:10:06,328
Right.

1774
01:10:06,963 --> 01:10:08,786
That's the... Yeah, first thing I always think

1775
01:10:08,786 --> 01:10:09,579
of. Sure.

1776
01:10:10,309 --> 01:10:12,148
I think this movie is doing quite well

1777
01:10:12,148 --> 01:10:14,065
from what I hear, what I'm given to

1778
01:10:14,065 --> 01:10:14,885
understand and

1779
01:10:15,264 --> 01:10:17,182
box the office of the series thus far,

1780
01:10:17,342 --> 01:10:19,340
at least That's while. The the opening.

1781
01:10:19,993 --> 01:10:22,061
Well, just just shows that the hook was

1782
01:10:22,061 --> 01:10:24,605
not the John K and his deaf kid,

1783
01:10:24,844 --> 01:10:26,753
you know, Emily Blunt and and the family

1784
01:10:26,753 --> 01:10:28,159
unit that people were not

1785
01:10:28,599 --> 01:10:31,733
invested in them, particularly, they're invested in the

1786
01:10:31,791 --> 01:10:34,824
overall scenario. Right. And the peril and the

1787
01:10:34,824 --> 01:10:37,470
monsters. And so I think that it would

1788
01:10:37,470 --> 01:10:40,891
be behave, whoever is responsible for the next

1789
01:10:40,891 --> 01:10:41,391
outing

1790
01:10:41,766 --> 01:10:44,890
to work on those months a little bit

1791
01:10:44,890 --> 01:10:46,569
because they do appear to be the star

1792
01:10:46,569 --> 01:10:48,890
of the show if this new 1 with

1793
01:10:48,890 --> 01:10:51,863
none of the returning actors other than Jim

1794
01:10:52,341 --> 01:10:54,991
In a supporting role, which was not really

1795
01:10:55,049 --> 01:10:56,642
advertised at all. I don't think he put

1796
01:10:56,642 --> 01:10:58,952
that many asses in seats, you know, a

1797
01:10:58,952 --> 01:11:01,596
treasure though he may be almost a cameo,

1798
01:11:01,994 --> 01:11:04,385
really? Yeah. So if the monsters are the

1799
01:11:04,385 --> 01:11:07,650
main draw, you wanna refine them. Without reinventing

1800
01:11:07,650 --> 01:11:09,642
the wheel because obviously, if it ain't broke

1801
01:11:09,642 --> 01:11:11,411
don't fix it, and in terms of box

1802
01:11:11,411 --> 01:11:14,045
office. It is not broke. Right. But if

1803
01:11:14,045 --> 01:11:15,662
you wanna cater to my sensibilities,

1804
01:11:16,119 --> 01:11:17,555
do please make them quieter.

1805
01:11:18,367 --> 01:11:22,106
And maybe reduce their number somewhat. I think

1806
01:11:22,106 --> 01:11:22,606
it's

1807
01:11:23,299 --> 01:11:26,659
the raptor attacks in the 2 Spielberg, jurassic

1808
01:11:26,739 --> 01:11:29,372
Park movies. Oh it always feels like you're

1809
01:11:29,372 --> 01:11:32,266
dealing with a finite number of them. And

1810
01:11:33,458 --> 01:11:36,197
granted, occasionally, 1 of them will be neutralized

1811
01:11:36,256 --> 01:11:39,931
in a pretty stupid fashion, like, with gymnastics.

1812
01:11:40,571 --> 01:11:43,552
Right. But at but at least that feels

1813
01:11:43,925 --> 01:11:44,901
very consequential.

1814
01:11:45,432 --> 01:11:47,677
But then again, maybe not because the difference

1815
01:11:47,734 --> 01:11:51,247
between 4 raptors and 3 raptors is you're

1816
01:11:51,247 --> 01:11:54,461
probably still guaranteed to die. But

1817
01:11:55,158 --> 01:11:57,632
but it... Nevertheless... So it it it feels

1818
01:11:57,632 --> 01:11:59,563
at once like a like a great victory

1819
01:11:59,563 --> 01:12:01,398
and like, not much of a victory at

1820
01:12:01,398 --> 01:12:03,551
all. But I I like how in those

1821
01:12:03,551 --> 01:12:05,545
movies, you can count the raptors on the

1822
01:12:05,545 --> 01:12:06,582
fingers of 1 hand,

1823
01:12:07,300 --> 01:12:08,836
and it makes you feel

1824
01:12:09,308 --> 01:12:11,302
like... I don't know. It feels less video

1825
01:12:11,302 --> 01:12:13,136
game because it it feels less like they're

1826
01:12:13,136 --> 01:12:16,327
fucking koopa. It feels less like it feels

1827
01:12:16,327 --> 01:12:18,401
less like the level is just swarming with

1828
01:12:18,401 --> 01:12:20,884
them. If that makes sense, Sure. Know, or

1829
01:12:20,884 --> 01:12:22,634
or the the clicker and last of us

1830
01:12:22,634 --> 01:12:25,100
or, you know, or zombies and any number

1831
01:12:25,100 --> 01:12:27,907
of video games. Mh. And I think that

1832
01:12:28,307 --> 01:12:30,145
if if you're gonna get away from that

1833
01:12:30,145 --> 01:12:32,143
video gaming me flavor that I keep harp

1834
01:12:32,143 --> 01:12:34,960
on about thin the number of aliens

1835
01:12:35,274 --> 01:12:36,703
calling the herd would be 1 way to

1836
01:12:36,703 --> 01:12:39,641
do it. Another way would be to just

1837
01:12:39,641 --> 01:12:42,898
set it inland like the first movie and

1838
01:12:42,898 --> 01:12:44,350
just get rid of this whole

1839
01:12:44,979 --> 01:12:46,038
water business

1840
01:12:46,817 --> 01:12:48,734
entirely because it just does not sit right

1841
01:12:48,734 --> 01:12:51,690
with me that they're fine in it until

1842
01:12:51,690 --> 01:12:53,302
they're not if they get in over their

1843
01:12:53,302 --> 01:12:56,760
heads literally, then they s like a kid

1844
01:12:56,819 --> 01:12:59,456
without his water wings on, getting thrown in

1845
01:12:59,456 --> 01:13:00,734
at the deep end of the pool and

1846
01:13:00,734 --> 01:13:02,590
they fl around intently.

1847
01:13:03,150 --> 01:13:03,949
And it just...

1848
01:13:04,829 --> 01:13:06,590
Again, it feels like a very video game

1849
01:13:06,590 --> 01:13:09,150
me demise. It's, like Europe against a boss.

1850
01:13:09,803 --> 01:13:11,555
That you have no means of harming. So

1851
01:13:11,555 --> 01:13:13,228
you have to lure it into a body

1852
01:13:13,228 --> 01:13:15,618
of water, and then it t around, and

1853
01:13:15,618 --> 01:13:17,529
and you see its health bar deplete, and

1854
01:13:17,529 --> 01:13:18,246
then it drown.

1855
01:13:19,377 --> 01:13:21,234
I just... I think that the next movie

1856
01:13:21,292 --> 01:13:23,046
should have fewer monsters,

1857
01:13:23,685 --> 01:13:24,641
quieter monsters,

1858
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:27,513
and it should be set... I don't know.

1859
01:13:27,992 --> 01:13:28,310
Minnesota.

1860
01:13:28,804 --> 01:13:31,739
Or you know something or... Well, the Matt

1861
01:13:31,739 --> 01:13:34,279
that is allegedly the land of 10000 lakes.

1862
01:13:34,676 --> 01:13:36,660
I I think you you picked the wrong

1863
01:13:36,660 --> 01:13:37,160
state

1864
01:13:37,469 --> 01:13:39,787
you're trying I with the water. Yeah. My...

1865
01:13:40,186 --> 01:13:42,104
The ro wheel in my brain came up

1866
01:13:42,104 --> 01:13:43,702
short twice, and I just had it because

1867
01:13:43,782 --> 01:13:45,460
I originally, I was gonna say Ohio, and

1868
01:13:45,539 --> 01:13:47,064
I like, well, no. You got 1 or

1869
01:13:47,064 --> 01:13:48,993
more great lakes kicking around

1870
01:13:49,367 --> 01:13:53,734
in, in Ohio. So... Iowa. Yeah. Iowa. Thank

1871
01:13:53,734 --> 01:13:53,893
you.

1872
01:13:55,418 --> 01:13:56,157
A quiet

1873
01:13:57,492 --> 01:13:59,885
a quiet place, Iowa. You can just do

1874
01:13:59,885 --> 01:14:01,400
it state by state now,

1875
01:14:02,118 --> 01:14:02,278
like,

1876
01:14:03,394 --> 01:14:04,591
in Iowa place.

1877
01:14:05,085 --> 01:14:07,404
And I... Yeah. Right. Exactly. Just do it

1878
01:14:07,404 --> 01:14:10,444
like that never realized Su Stevens project,

1879
01:14:13,020 --> 01:14:15,739
just proceed through the whole the whole union,

1880
01:14:16,139 --> 01:14:18,139
save the coasts for last. What did he

1881
01:14:18,139 --> 01:14:19,260
get through 2 states?

1882
01:14:20,139 --> 01:14:23,897
Yeah. Just 2 2 Midwestern states that I

1883
01:14:23,897 --> 01:14:24,849
happen to live in.

1884
01:14:27,070 --> 01:14:28,418
It's like, alright. If you wanna... If you

1885
01:14:28,418 --> 01:14:30,819
wanna quit there, I won't complain, You covered

1886
01:14:30,819 --> 01:14:33,695
the basis for me for me. Exactly. You

1887
01:14:33,695 --> 01:14:35,234
checked all my box. This

1888
01:14:38,103 --> 01:14:39,876
Well, in terms of

1889
01:14:40,251 --> 01:14:40,489
recommendations,

1890
01:14:41,444 --> 01:14:43,853
obviously, we've been singing pigs praises

1891
01:14:44,228 --> 01:14:44,728
throughout

1892
01:14:45,038 --> 01:14:47,983
not at all a horror film, but very

1893
01:14:47,983 --> 01:14:48,221
good,

1894
01:14:48,858 --> 01:14:49,676
Nick cage

1895
01:14:50,211 --> 01:14:53,832
operating at a a less opera register,

1896
01:14:54,368 --> 01:14:57,319
which Mh. Is very enjoyable. I mean, don't

1897
01:14:57,319 --> 01:14:59,792
get me wrong. I enjoy cage rage as

1898
01:14:59,792 --> 01:15:01,786
much as the next guy, but him doing

1899
01:15:01,786 --> 01:15:04,837
the lower key stuff is always good. As

1900
01:15:04,837 --> 01:15:07,154
he still brings that intensity to it. It's

1901
01:15:07,154 --> 01:15:10,350
just very finely calibrated like when he chew

1902
01:15:10,350 --> 01:15:13,652
out the guy who's running the pre eater

1903
01:15:14,105 --> 01:15:15,559
with the fucking fancy

1904
01:15:15,932 --> 01:15:19,349
fake food when you what's, you know, edible

1905
01:15:19,349 --> 01:15:19,849
foam

1906
01:15:20,159 --> 01:15:23,111
or whatever Yeah right? There's volcanic rage in

1907
01:15:23,111 --> 01:15:25,425
that scene, but it's muted, and it's it's

1908
01:15:25,425 --> 01:15:27,854
it's it's held in check, which is scarier

1909
01:15:27,911 --> 01:15:29,820
than when someone is just flying off the

1910
01:15:29,820 --> 01:15:30,854
handle. Yeah.

1911
01:15:31,968 --> 01:15:36,079
I am going to recommend Clover field because

1912
01:15:36,359 --> 01:15:38,668
that's the movie that comes to mind other

1913
01:15:38,668 --> 01:15:41,615
than this 1 with an alien ramp through

1914
01:15:41,775 --> 01:15:42,173
New York.

1915
01:15:43,527 --> 01:15:45,255
Obviously, not the first 1

1916
01:15:45,613 --> 01:15:46,990
Because I know the clover field

1917
01:15:47,607 --> 01:15:49,122
franchise, if you can even call it that

1918
01:15:49,122 --> 01:15:50,739
is so fucking diffuse

1919
01:15:51,196 --> 01:15:53,189
at this point, but it's more of just

1920
01:15:53,189 --> 01:15:56,068
a vague umbrella for a bunch of unrelated

1921
01:15:56,068 --> 01:15:58,368
movies to hud beneath. Yeah. I think that

1922
01:15:58,368 --> 01:16:00,113
the original quiet place. I don't know if

1923
01:16:00,113 --> 01:16:02,017
this rumor is true, but I remember the

1924
01:16:02,017 --> 01:16:04,262
rumor being. That it was going to be

1925
01:16:04,422 --> 01:16:06,580
Clover feel branded until it wasn't.

1926
01:16:07,219 --> 01:16:10,336
And This because familiar. Yeah. Because Clover field

1927
01:16:10,336 --> 01:16:12,900
is so diffuse. It you it it it

1928
01:16:12,900 --> 01:16:14,490
still could be. I mean, there's no reason

1929
01:16:14,570 --> 01:16:15,206
It couldn't be.

1930
01:16:15,921 --> 01:16:17,431
Right. It's because not none of those movies

1931
01:16:17,431 --> 01:16:20,073
are really incompatible with 1 another. Clover field...

1932
01:16:20,313 --> 01:16:21,989
I mean, I mean, scratch that reverse it.

1933
01:16:22,228 --> 01:16:24,782
They're all incompatible with 1 another. There none

1934
01:16:24,782 --> 01:16:26,618
of them are about the same thing. I

1935
01:16:26,618 --> 01:16:29,029
seem to remember Clover field period bucks trying

1936
01:16:29,029 --> 01:16:30,864
to iron out those wrinkles, but that movie

1937
01:16:30,864 --> 01:16:31,364
is

1938
01:16:31,741 --> 01:16:34,694
impossible to remember in any detail. So, yes,

1939
01:16:35,252 --> 01:16:35,811
who can say.

1940
01:16:36,543 --> 01:16:38,691
Right. But, yeah, as I was saying not

1941
01:16:38,691 --> 01:16:41,475
really a deep cut, but then again, it's

1942
01:16:41,475 --> 01:16:44,259
been better part of 15 years now since

1943
01:16:44,259 --> 01:16:47,216
that movie came out, director Matt Reeves has

1944
01:16:47,216 --> 01:16:49,841
gone on to bigger, and some would say

1945
01:16:49,841 --> 01:16:52,385
better things. And on that score, maybe they're

1946
01:16:52,385 --> 01:16:54,612
right, Although, again, I'm recommending it. I happen

1947
01:16:54,612 --> 01:16:56,612
to think Clover fields very good. I like

1948
01:16:56,692 --> 01:16:58,836
Clover field well enough. I I believe that's

1949
01:16:58,836 --> 01:17:00,503
the first horror movie you and I ever

1950
01:17:00,503 --> 01:17:01,218
saw in theaters.

1951
01:17:01,854 --> 01:17:04,333
Yes. I believe so. I remember, we were

1952
01:17:04,333 --> 01:17:05,685
going to see there will be blood and

1953
01:17:05,685 --> 01:17:06,560
it was not playing.

1954
01:17:07,356 --> 01:17:09,265
Yeah. I believe it was on the evening

1955
01:17:09,265 --> 01:17:10,972
of parent your conferences,

1956
01:17:11,587 --> 01:17:14,134
and we walked from school into downtown Burbank.

1957
01:17:14,452 --> 01:17:16,362
I. I know we walked there. Yeah. And

1958
01:17:16,521 --> 01:17:18,670
I remember, I watched there will be blood

1959
01:17:18,670 --> 01:17:21,559
on some kind of Crap ass pirate site

1960
01:17:21,559 --> 01:17:24,039
later that year, which was not very. But

1961
01:17:24,199 --> 01:17:26,279
I I was team no country that year.

1962
01:17:26,519 --> 01:17:29,095
That was the awesome or heavyweight prize fight

1963
01:17:29,095 --> 01:17:31,574
for the ages. Right. Since I hold them

1964
01:17:31,574 --> 01:17:35,435
in basically equal regard. Now. Anyway, Clover field

1965
01:17:35,669 --> 01:17:38,217
kind of incidental to that title fight. But

1966
01:17:38,377 --> 01:17:38,536
Right.

1967
01:17:39,889 --> 01:17:41,641
Good movie. Not sorry. I saw it in

1968
01:17:41,641 --> 01:17:43,632
theaters, and it it holds a special place

1969
01:17:43,632 --> 01:17:44,164
in the

1970
01:17:44,604 --> 01:17:46,925
chronology of the, you know, the evolution of

1971
01:17:46,925 --> 01:17:47,984
the shock docs

1972
01:17:48,685 --> 01:17:51,805
for sure. So, yeah, Clover field. Check it

1973
01:17:51,805 --> 01:17:51,965
out.

1974
01:17:53,094 --> 01:17:53,990
I don't know

1975
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:55,155
who boy,

1976
01:17:55,789 --> 01:17:58,247
what to recommend. Which episode was it? It

1977
01:17:58,247 --> 01:18:00,095
was within the last 2 episodes

1978
01:18:00,645 --> 01:18:04,324
you were tying yourself in knots, trying to

1979
01:18:04,324 --> 01:18:04,824
remember

1980
01:18:05,284 --> 01:18:07,819
you were in agony, trying to remember,

1981
01:18:08,256 --> 01:18:10,798
like, like, another version of a trope. Oh,

1982
01:18:10,877 --> 01:18:12,625
it was the watchers. The whole thing, like,

1983
01:18:12,783 --> 01:18:14,451
is the person on the other side of

1984
01:18:14,451 --> 01:18:17,562
the door the dapper hanger. Thing. Yeah. So

1985
01:18:17,562 --> 01:18:19,466
you were, like, I I feel certain I've

1986
01:18:19,466 --> 01:18:21,291
seen that trope over and over again, but

1987
01:18:21,370 --> 01:18:22,877
I can't think of a single example.

1988
01:18:23,368 --> 01:18:26,157
That's how I feel about the basic premise

1989
01:18:26,157 --> 01:18:28,706
and the basic peril of these movies. I

1990
01:18:28,706 --> 01:18:30,719
feel like I've seen countless movies

1991
01:18:31,176 --> 01:18:32,472
where the creatures

1992
01:18:32,784 --> 01:18:36,145
have very developed senses of hearing and you

1993
01:18:36,145 --> 01:18:37,024
have to be quiet,

1994
01:18:37,585 --> 01:18:40,005
but I can't think of a single 1

1995
01:18:40,145 --> 01:18:41,265
off the top of my head.

1996
01:18:43,429 --> 01:18:45,577
There was a... I... I've never even watched

1997
01:18:45,657 --> 01:18:47,805
Buff the Vampire slayer, but I happened to

1998
01:18:47,805 --> 01:18:49,953
know there's a Buff, the Vampire slayer episode

1999
01:18:49,953 --> 01:18:52,381
about that. I just only know that because

2000
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:54,593
in high school, speaking of which when friends

2001
01:18:54,593 --> 01:18:56,347
of mine who worked into the show would

2002
01:18:56,347 --> 01:18:58,023
try to sell me on it, they would

2003
01:18:58,023 --> 01:19:00,710
invoke the same 2 episodes over and over

2004
01:19:00,908 --> 01:19:02,663
again, and it was that 1 and the

2005
01:19:02,663 --> 01:19:03,621
1 that was a musical.

2006
01:19:05,376 --> 01:19:07,289
Right. But and that 1, it's not that

2007
01:19:07,289 --> 01:19:08,885
you can't... I mean, in that 1, it's

2008
01:19:08,885 --> 01:19:10,974
literally that you can't make any sound. They're

2009
01:19:10,974 --> 01:19:13,614
basically living a silent movie. They've been... I

2010
01:19:13,614 --> 01:19:17,635
think prevented from speaking by some sinister supernatural

2011
01:19:17,935 --> 01:19:18,654
something or other.

2012
01:19:19,389 --> 01:19:21,619
So not totally relevant in any way, I

2013
01:19:21,619 --> 01:19:23,293
can't give it my seal of of approval

2014
01:19:23,293 --> 01:19:25,842
having not seen it. I'm just thinking about

2015
01:19:25,842 --> 01:19:27,675
being a teenager now, I guess,

2016
01:19:29,043 --> 01:19:31,189
sure. What have I seen?

2017
01:19:34,129 --> 01:19:36,329
This is... Yeah, I'm just... I'm just... I've

2018
01:19:36,448 --> 01:19:38,837
gone into my mind palace and and and

2019
01:19:38,837 --> 01:19:39,814
come out with

2020
01:19:41,542 --> 01:19:43,135
is it the twilight zone? I think it's

2021
01:19:43,135 --> 01:19:44,819
the twilight zone I I don't know if

2022
01:19:44,819 --> 01:19:47,280
it's twilight zone or Alfred Hitchcock presents. III

2023
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:48,868
wanna say that it's... It is an episode

2024
01:19:48,868 --> 01:19:50,773
of the twilight zone, but it is the

2025
01:19:50,773 --> 01:19:52,599
sort of thing that you would find more

2026
01:19:52,599 --> 01:19:52,996
often.

2027
01:19:53,727 --> 01:19:55,797
On Alfred Hitchcock presents. I think it's 1

2028
01:19:55,797 --> 01:19:57,629
of the rare twilight on episodes that has

2029
01:19:57,629 --> 01:19:58,528
no paranormal

2030
01:19:58,983 --> 01:19:59,961
element whatsoever.

2031
01:20:00,337 --> 01:20:01,872
Mh It's about a guy

2032
01:20:02,264 --> 01:20:04,661
who is a bla mouth and is just

2033
01:20:04,661 --> 01:20:08,815
constantly po authenticating, and somebody bets him. Yeah.

2034
01:20:09,055 --> 01:20:11,775
I bet you can't stay silent for an

2035
01:20:11,775 --> 01:20:14,239
entire year, and he agrees to this bet

2036
01:20:14,239 --> 01:20:16,226
having some debts that he needs to pay

2037
01:20:16,226 --> 01:20:17,975
off. And so then he spends a year,

2038
01:20:18,214 --> 01:20:21,576
not only climbing up, but under observation, You

2039
01:20:21,576 --> 01:20:23,490
know, so they know that he doesn't start

2040
01:20:23,490 --> 01:20:25,963
welsh. Flap his lips. So he lives in

2041
01:20:25,963 --> 01:20:28,537
this 10 by 10 room with glass walls

2042
01:20:28,675 --> 01:20:31,162
where use under constant supervision. It turns into

2043
01:20:31,162 --> 01:20:34,752
this very elaborate thing. And there is a

2044
01:20:34,752 --> 01:20:35,572
twist ending

2045
01:20:35,948 --> 01:20:37,885
that is fairly harrowing.

2046
01:20:38,261 --> 01:20:40,349
And It's ta. I mean, it's not it's

2047
01:20:40,349 --> 01:20:42,103
not Kevin Smith, but there is a a

2048
01:20:42,103 --> 01:20:43,856
good amount of chatter, just not from the

2049
01:20:43,856 --> 01:20:44,335
main guy,

2050
01:20:44,972 --> 01:20:46,886
obviously, because he's trying to win the bet.

2051
01:20:47,458 --> 01:20:49,762
Which drags on for a whole year and

2052
01:20:49,762 --> 01:20:52,305
fills out half an hour for our purposes.

2053
01:20:52,782 --> 01:20:55,405
And the ending, which I champs spoil is

2054
01:20:55,405 --> 01:20:57,412
really what makes the whole thing, and that's

2055
01:20:57,412 --> 01:21:00,130
a twilight on specialty, of course. It's not

2056
01:21:00,130 --> 01:21:03,086
really anything like a quiet place because the

2057
01:21:03,086 --> 01:21:05,177
other characters can talk as much as they

2058
01:21:05,177 --> 01:21:06,554
want, but there is nevertheless

2059
01:21:07,091 --> 01:21:10,679
a sense of kind of the willpower required

2060
01:21:10,679 --> 01:21:13,444
of the main guy to defy his nature

2061
01:21:13,644 --> 01:21:16,680
for that long. That kind of impose a

2062
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:18,219
sort of feeling of graveyard

2063
01:21:18,598 --> 01:21:19,098
stillness

2064
01:21:19,557 --> 01:21:22,126
over the whole episode. The other characters can

2065
01:21:22,126 --> 01:21:23,951
chatter as much as they want, but there

2066
01:21:23,951 --> 01:21:27,124
is still a pervasive feeling of quiet that

2067
01:21:27,124 --> 01:21:28,869
makes the whole thing kind of creepy just

2068
01:21:28,869 --> 01:21:30,114
because the 1 guy

2069
01:21:30,715 --> 01:21:32,555
at the center of the whole thing doesn't

2070
01:21:32,555 --> 01:21:32,875
crack.

2071
01:21:33,675 --> 01:21:34,175
And

2072
01:21:34,555 --> 01:21:37,195
I think in that sense, it's evo of

2073
01:21:37,195 --> 01:21:40,161
the same kind of feeling of creepy unnatural

2074
01:21:40,161 --> 01:21:40,661
silence

2075
01:21:41,195 --> 01:21:43,263
that these movies are going for 1 of

2076
01:21:43,263 --> 01:21:46,625
the most successful, I think. Step that and

2077
01:21:46,625 --> 01:21:48,064
media that I've have seen There has to

2078
01:21:48,064 --> 01:21:49,204
be a better example

2079
01:21:49,585 --> 01:21:51,505
out there somewhere, but I have come up

2080
01:21:51,505 --> 01:21:53,104
a little bit short. So that's what I'm

2081
01:21:53,104 --> 01:21:53,560
gonna

2082
01:21:53,917 --> 01:21:55,823
recommend I don't even remember the name of

2083
01:21:55,823 --> 01:21:58,922
it. But they found it. It's called silence.

2084
01:21:59,796 --> 01:22:01,385
So swell there there you have it. A

2085
01:22:01,385 --> 01:22:01,940
silent play.

2086
01:22:04,659 --> 01:22:07,147
So I do check that 1 out. Apparently

2087
01:22:07,203 --> 01:22:09,350
based in part on the short story the

2088
01:22:09,350 --> 01:22:11,339
bet by Anton check.

2089
01:22:12,389 --> 01:22:12,550
Okay.

2090
01:22:13,670 --> 01:22:16,649
Alright. Well, given as we pointed out, this

2091
01:22:16,869 --> 01:22:19,029
is at least in the early going, the

2092
01:22:19,029 --> 01:22:19,529
most

2093
01:22:19,909 --> 01:22:22,741
financial lease successful installment in the quiet place

2094
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:25,195
franchise to date. This is probably not the

2095
01:22:25,195 --> 01:22:27,350
last time. 1 of these films is going

2096
01:22:27,350 --> 01:22:29,187
to come out and therefore probably not the

2097
01:22:29,187 --> 01:22:31,511
last time we'll be doing 1. But for

2098
01:22:31,511 --> 01:22:35,031
now, we leave the cauliflower headed

2099
01:22:37,390 --> 01:22:38,605
creatures behind

2100
01:22:39,471 --> 01:22:42,013
Until next time, I'm Jim Smith. I'm matt

2101
01:22:42,093 --> 01:22:44,794
Cher Daisy. And we are the shock doctors.

2102
01:22:45,588 --> 01:22:46,478
We'll see later.

2103
01:22:49,665 --> 01:22:52,533
Apologies to Russell Crowe fans, we were not

2104
01:22:52,533 --> 01:22:55,123
both able to get access to the ex

2105
01:22:55,182 --> 01:22:57,100
and time to release an episode last week.

2106
01:22:57,979 --> 01:22:59,497
We'll try and feed it back into the

2107
01:22:59,497 --> 01:23:01,574
schedule in the coming months as it becomes

2108
01:23:01,574 --> 01:23:01,814
available.

2109
01:23:03,022 --> 01:23:04,952
As always, we have some acknowledgment.

2110
01:23:05,882 --> 01:23:08,027
Our music was composed by Will Connor.

2111
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Audio for the bumper was taken from a

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quiet place, day 1 official trailer 20 24

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movie, Lap,

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Joseph Quinn,

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uploaded by paramount pictures. So

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all rights reserved.

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Our next episode will be up on Sunday,

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July fourteenth,

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and we will be discussing the last install

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in Ty west's ex trilogy

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maxine.

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See you then.