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Today, I offer you a show that I

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am really excited about and have been wanting

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to do for years. For the last ten

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years of Shaping Fire, I have chosen our

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episode topics first,

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and then I go and research the best

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industry expert I can find who is also

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well spoken and accessible, and I book them.

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Easy peasy.

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I don't book the people first.

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The evergreen and useful topics drive the episodes.

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We've never been very cannabis personality based. We

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don't do product or company profiles as the

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show either. That's what the commercial segments are

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for. Shaping fire episodes focus on soil health,

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human health, and good vibes. We don't concern

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ourselves with scaling,

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machine trimmer reviews, and celebrity worship.

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However,

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my heart belongs to the Emerald Triangle.

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My heart belongs to the family farms that

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grow food crops and families alongside their cannabis.

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My admiration

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belongs to the homesteaders

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who study regenerative growing because it keeps their

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home place free of chemical fertilizers and their

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runoff safe for the local salmon streams.

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I care about these folks who are running

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clandestine

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grows and shipping boxes to the Midwest

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so I could smoke their flower growing up.

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I am enthusiastic

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about well meaning outlaws playing hide and seek

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with the Federalis.

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I am totally engaged by their stories of

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helicopters

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and summers at the river and $8,000

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pounds of O. G. Kush.

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I love Humboldt County, Trinity County and Mendocino

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County. I love the friends that I know

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there and the ones I haven't met yet.

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I love the Black Sands, the crazy hill

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life and breakfast at the Eel River Cafe.

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It's where I go for vacations and yet

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it always feels like returning home.

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Today's episode is a love letter to regenerative

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family farms.

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Northern California is the seat of our country's

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national cannabis heritage, and it is not talked

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about enough.

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Since Prop 64 was passed and those lying

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liars killed the one acre cap in the

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middle of the night, the family farms have

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fallen one by one. The business environment has

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been intentionally made unwinnable by the political meat

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grinder. It is shameful of the California legislature

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and the DCC.

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So let's focus a spell on the beauty

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of these farm families, their stories, and their

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amazing flowers.

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After holding off on this series for ten

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years, I'm finally doing it for myself

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because these farms are the part of cannabis

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that I care about, and I hope in

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a small part to help preserve the family

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farms that remain.

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If you wanna learn about cannabis health, cultivation,

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If you like what we do and you

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wanna put something in the tip jar, you

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can Venmo at Shango Los. Thanks especially to

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Topher and Baby Chan who both sent a

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little something for the team last month.

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As the cannabis market continues to compress and

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crumble over much of The United States, there

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are fewer and fewer regenerative cannabis companies that

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have the budget for marketing. If you know

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of a cannabis company not run by cops,

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rats, or chemical fertilizers who should be an

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advertiser on shaping fire, please let them know

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and let me know too. It is by

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working together that regenerative cultivation expands, and we

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now offer a smaller entry package of commercials

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so we're able to include folks with smaller

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budgets. Thanks.

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You are listening to shaping fire, and I

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am your host, Shango Los.

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We are in our tenth year of Shaping

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Fire, and this is episode 127.

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My guest today is Nick Erickson of Full

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Moon Farms.

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Nick was born of Northern California

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soil and sunshine.

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He grew up making new paths so the

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feds couldn't follow his trail to his grow

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spots. He earned his degree in construction only

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to apply those skills to building his farm

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and the farms of those around him. He

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now preserves Northern California's cannabis heritage with his

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family and friends at their farm in Humboldt

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County.

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During the first set, we get to hear

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Gold Rush and Green Rush stories. In the

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second set, we talk about cultivation war stories

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when the penalties were huge and so were

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the pound prices.

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Finally, we finished the episode in set three

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with a discussion of regenerative growing at altitude,

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the importance of microclimates,

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cannabis variety choices, terpene research, and the flowers

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that folks love from Full Moon Farms. All

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today on Shaping Fire episode one twenty seven.

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Welcome to Shaping Fire, Nick.

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Hey. Thank you for having me. It's so

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nice to have you here. I've been wanting

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to do this for quite some time. You

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know, I'm I'm hearing all these birds in

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the background. Are you outside?

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Yeah. I am. I mean, well, we're we're

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we live about, six miles off the pavement,

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so we're pretty deep off grid here. But,

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yeah, I'm sitting on my my front porch

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in shorts and sandals and enjoying the sun

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and,

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kinda overlooking a, a pond that we have

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in front of the place, and and the

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birds are extremely active today because it's getting

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warm. We just had a had a big

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snowstorm last week, and it now it looks

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like spring. We have daffodils blooming already, and

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it's, just a gorgeous day. So I wanted

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to I wanted to do this one outside.

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Excellent. Well, the the the the the birds

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are really nice in the background, and it's

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crazy. The microclimates up in the hills around

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Humboldt County, man. Like, you're like, you know,

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two weeks ago, you get a couple of

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feet of snow, and now you're in your

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shorts, and and both are happening in February.

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pretty extreme,

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zone back here. We're kind of on a

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northeastern face

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of this mountain.

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So, I mean, you know, we can be

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getting rain or snow and then drive to

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the front side of the mountain, the south

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facing side, and and it will be clear.

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We'll see blue skies there. But, you know,

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Humboldt County, sorry, I've got the dogs out

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You know, Humboldt County is such a big

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county, too. You know, I've got friends that

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takes me two and a half hours to

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drive to their house in county.

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a large swath of microclimates across the entire

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county in the triangle in general. Yeah. Both

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horizontal and vertical. Right? Yeah. Absolutely.

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Absolutely. Right. So so let's get into it.

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So, like, when and why did your family

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come to the Emerald Triangle?

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Well, this is historical.

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Mendocino Coast

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back in the, later eighteen hundreds.

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You know, my family came to California originally

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in originally in 1853

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overland,

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and actually came over and stayed with, Jim

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Beckworth, who was a real famous,

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trapper and kind of mountain man that founded

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the town of Beckworth in, in Sierra and,

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Sierra County.

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so they came over early, you know, chasing

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the gold rush.

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as that kind of dwindled down,

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I had my mom's side. Her her great

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grandfather

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had a ranch farm,

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into timber on the Mendocino Coast near the

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town of Mendocino.

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And then in the early nineteen hundreds on

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my dad's side,

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he had a great grandfather that was was

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in Humboldt County area during their original kind

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of bigger logging boom when San Francisco burnt

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down and they were needing to rebuild, and

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I mean most of the redwood that rebuilt

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San Francisco came from Humboldt and Mendocino Counties.

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So there was, you know, work to be

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and plenty of it, and, it was still

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kind of the the last frontier just pushing

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westward. And

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the families both kind of migrated back to,

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like, the Plumas County area.

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So my my parents were born there,

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as I. I was born in Plumas County,

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and then I came back up here in,

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the early nineties right after high school and,

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just been here ever since.

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I I am not in California. So how

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far away is Plumas County from where you

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are now?

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It's about four hour drive from east.

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Mhmm. So so it really is a different

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reality?

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Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. It's it's in the

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the it's in the upper end of the

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Sierras,

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you know, not far from, like, Glasson National

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Park and and,

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Tahoe and and those areas. Mhmm.

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So once your family settled in that Emerald

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Triangle, I mean, at some point, there was

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a transition

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from,

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you know, logging and gold rush and these

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types of businesses

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to,

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realizing that cannabis was something to both be

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enjoyed in the community and then exported.

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How how and when did that transition happen

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for your family?

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I would honestly say, I mean, there's kind

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of been always a you know, I mean,

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we're we're a very blue collar family. There's

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always kind of been a history of outlaws

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throughout our our family history. My my grandma,

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her

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her father

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was a well, actually, her mother was the

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moonshiner.

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She said that they would have been rich

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if if the grandfather hadn't

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drank everything. But,

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she was in a moonshine back in the

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thirties.

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You know, they

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they they always stayed in with with timber

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was always predominant up here. Northern California,

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you know, it's just so forest heavy. That's

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always that's always kind of been the go

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to,

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the go to for for employment. You know,

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the the gold ran out early.

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What was interesting was that in the early

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days, my great great grandfather, we have deeds

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in the County Museum that show that they,

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actually purchased their first land

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in,

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trade of vegetables and produce. Oh, wow. Because

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in the early days of California,

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before currency,

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you know, it was you had two things.

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You had gold and you had commodities. You

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had sustainability,

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you know, products that were tangible that you

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put your hands on. So,

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they had balloon payments every year of x

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amount of potatoes, x amount of carrots, you

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know, and it was just produce. It was

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it was you had to sustain whoever you

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were, you know, purchasing the land from. So

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it was actually like, you know,

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balloon payments and vegetables once a year. And

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they bought their first ranch like that.

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And so they've always had their hands in

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farming,

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you know, again, timber,

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later firefighting,

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ranching cattle.

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And in the early night and and so

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in 1978,

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I was three years old.

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That was kind of my first experience with

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with law enforcement and cannabis.

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My dad had a personal patch in the

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backyard. It was, you know, six, eight, 10,

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plant something. But my swing set was out

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there,

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and

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I could swing and kick my feet through

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the fan leaves. The the pot plants were

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mixed in with the vegetables and stuff, too.

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And, you know,

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you know, we've we grew up really poor

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and we needed those the the vegetables to

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sustain ourselves and and, you know, they used

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to raise chickens and rabbits for food and

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the whole bit. And,

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and I don't know why I remember that

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so much of, you know, it maybe that

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was just kind of the shock and trauma

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of it that kind of seared that into

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my brain. But I remember being out there

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when the when law enforcement came and, you

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know, as a kid, you're always taught, okay,

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well, you know, police are good,

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you know, go to them for help. And

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here they come and they're stepping on our

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food and they're pulling up my dad's plants

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and taking him to jail and I'm, you

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know, being led away. I think I got

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taken to a toy store and, you know,

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got a little Tonka truck or something out

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of the whole ordeal, but came back and

323
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house was overturned and everything was all over

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the floor. And, you know, that was just

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my first first real memory in life was

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was a pop bust, which is just kind

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of ironic where where I turned out now.

328
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That's pretty traumatic too, man. Like, you know,

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to be a kid and to have your

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safety, you know, just literally trampled on.

331
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You're you know, when you're so young, you

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don't you don't just don't have anything to

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relate that to or, you know, you don't

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know how to ask the right questions. It's

335
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just happening and you just don't understand why,

336
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you know? And so from that point on,

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my dad kind of, you know, kept it

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under wraps. You know, I could I knew

339
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when he was smoking here and there, I

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could smell it from, you know, he didn't

341
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put it in my face. He didn't talk

342
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about it openly. And I really

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kind of learned more from friends parents.

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You know, you know, 16, 17, 18.

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I grew my first plant in 1988.

346
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It was eighth grade.

347
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I just happened, you know, at the time,

348
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you know, the Mexican brickweed was still prevalent.

349
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And,

350
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I, you know, had got lucky with a

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couple of seeds out of there and one

352
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of them turned female and and my first

353
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plant and I actually have a picture of

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it, that that survived.

355
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But it's, you know, just a just a

356
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Mexican sativa plant in the five gallon bucket

357
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up in this marshy area, kind of. And

358
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and that was my first plant was in

359
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'88, and I was so proud of it.

360
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And I got it to maturity and started

361
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flowering out. And, you know, being a young

362
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boy, I'd like to show it off and

363
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brought a bunch of my friends up to

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see it. And, one of them ended up

365
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sneaking back up there a couple of weeks

366
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later and cut it down, took it home.

367
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And I heard he microwaved

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the immature buds to dry them out. And

369
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I lost my first plant to a friend,

370
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and, you know, that was

371
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If you get the rip on your first

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plant.

373
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Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. You know? So you have

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lessons lessons come quick and fast. And Yeah.

375
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And, yeah.

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And then it was kind of onward from

377
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there. And so I came back up here

378
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in, in the early nineties for

379
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college and construction tech and wanted to be

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a contractor. And,

381
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I was

382
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just amazed at the the flower that was

383
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being grown around here. And,

384
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I just I fell in love with the

385
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culture, the subculture.

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And,

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I had, you know, a couple years later,

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we had

389
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an offer to get in on a piece

390
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of land. Everybody was, you know, owner carry

391
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back then, so you didn't have to deal

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with banks or anything like that. And it

393
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was something to the fact of, like, 80

394
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acres with 5,000 down at 300 a month

395
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kind of thing.

396
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And, I thought I was just getting ripped

397
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off. It's like, oh, I got to come

398
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up with $300 a month. And And every

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month.

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Every month, dollars 300.

401
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Like, oh, my gosh. Where am I going

402
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to? You know? And, you know, it was,

403
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cloak and dagger, you know, is just,

404
00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,700
you know, driving out at nighttime, you know,

405
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we you know, we're called Full Moon Farms

406
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because,

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it's a nod back to that era. I

408
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did most of my work at night. One,

409
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law enforcement wasn't working at night. They, you

410
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know, they like to clock in early and

411
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check out it at quitting time. And and

412
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then

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to everything, even if your neighbors were growing

414
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and you kind of knew they were doing

415
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something, you didn't talk to them about it.

416
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You never brought that up. You never, you

417
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know, if you were a local, you never

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asked anybody what they did for a living.

419
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That was just a no no. So if

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somebody asked you what you did for a

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living,

422
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you knew they weren't from around here or

423
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they shouldn't, you know, they weren't in the

424
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game.

425
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But, you know, we bring out our supplies

426
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at night. We do a lot of our

427
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watering at night, that kind of thing. And

428
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and,

429
00:15:14,205 --> 00:15:16,785
you know, it was it was really

430
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going the extra mile, you know, you

431
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beat down paths and tunnels through brush and

432
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tick brush and rattlesnake infested, you know, grass

433
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and you just be out there in the

434
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rocks and trying to, you know, keep your

435
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plants, you know, a lot smaller than we

436
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do now and and to be, you know,

437
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unseen from the air. And, you know, the

438
00:15:35,914 --> 00:15:37,695
helicopters in that era were so,

439
00:15:38,235 --> 00:15:40,394
so intense. Like, you'd be surprised at what

440
00:15:40,394 --> 00:15:42,154
they could pick out of a hillside that

441
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didn't have much weed on it. And

442
00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:46,360
and they went after it. And so you

443
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really had to be careful. And and also,

444
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you know, the prices were up back then.

445
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So it it warranted,

446
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it warranted the extra energy and extra effort.

447
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And you you had to you only had

448
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to grow, you know, five or 10 pounds

449
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to make a, you know, a yearly salary.

450
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You know, you could go hold down a

451
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nine to five all week long in town

452
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and just come out a couple nights a

453
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week and and take care of your plants.

454
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And if you made it, sometimes you did,

455
00:16:09,055 --> 00:16:10,575
sometimes you didn't. But if you did, well,

456
00:16:10,575 --> 00:16:12,195
now you just had a good year and

457
00:16:12,350 --> 00:16:13,730
basically doubled your salary.

458
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Plus, you'd have your own smoke and your

459
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passion.

460
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Yeah. A 100%. A 100%. And I mean

461
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and there was a, you know and,

462
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you know, as a young male,

463
00:16:24,670 --> 00:16:27,309
there was a very attractive allure to that,

464
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like, that little outlaw spirit and that outlaw

465
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culture because you weren't you were you were

466
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breaking an unjust law. You know, you didn't

467
00:16:34,014 --> 00:16:36,014
agree with it, but you weren't hurting anybody.

468
00:16:36,014 --> 00:16:38,014
You weren't stealing from anybody. You know, you

469
00:16:38,014 --> 00:16:39,315
didn't feel like a criminal.

470
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It just kind of felt like, I guess,

471
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maybe kind of akin to the moonshiners. You

472
00:16:43,009 --> 00:16:44,450
know? It's just like making a little extra

473
00:16:44,450 --> 00:16:46,049
money on the back 40 and just try

474
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not to get caught.

475
00:16:48,210 --> 00:16:49,589
You know, that whole area,

476
00:16:50,769 --> 00:16:52,690
you know, it's got a mixed reputation. You

477
00:16:52,690 --> 00:16:54,289
know? You see pictures like the ones that

478
00:16:54,289 --> 00:16:56,370
you post on Instagram where it looks like,

479
00:16:56,370 --> 00:16:59,725
oh, like, cool families, cool old seventies, eighties

480
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families. Look at all the nature. Look at

481
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all that. And then, like, then there's on

482
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on the flip side, there's everybody talking about,

483
00:17:04,845 --> 00:17:07,085
like, like, Murder Mountain, and it's so dangerous

484
00:17:07,085 --> 00:17:09,105
and stuff like that. What was

485
00:17:09,990 --> 00:17:12,570
what was your experience more? Was it mostly,

486
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like, you you kept quiet and you kept

487
00:17:14,950 --> 00:17:16,490
yourself and you just grew?

488
00:17:16,789 --> 00:17:20,070
Or was the violence kinda everywhere and it

489
00:17:20,070 --> 00:17:21,910
was it took effort to stay away from

490
00:17:21,910 --> 00:17:22,410
it?

491
00:17:22,789 --> 00:17:24,809
No. Not at all. I mean, Murder Mountain

492
00:17:24,869 --> 00:17:27,384
is, you know, was really hyped up. That

493
00:17:27,384 --> 00:17:28,445
was it. And,

494
00:17:29,305 --> 00:17:31,164
you know, what a name to sell.

495
00:17:31,545 --> 00:17:32,605
Yeah. Right. Right.

496
00:17:33,465 --> 00:17:35,465
Basically, I mean, it should be called meth

497
00:17:35,465 --> 00:17:37,884
mountain, not murder mountain. And, you know,

498
00:17:38,585 --> 00:17:40,525
you know, and and, you know,

499
00:17:41,539 --> 00:17:43,220
the pros and the cons of the early

500
00:17:43,220 --> 00:17:45,700
era, you know, if you were selling your

501
00:17:45,700 --> 00:17:46,519
your flowers,

502
00:17:47,220 --> 00:17:48,980
you're usually selling it to somebody in the

503
00:17:48,980 --> 00:17:51,940
city that sold other things, too. And that

504
00:17:51,940 --> 00:17:53,700
was just the reality of it, because if

505
00:17:53,700 --> 00:17:55,984
you're a hustler in the city, you know,

506
00:17:55,984 --> 00:17:58,244
you're probably selling hard drugs or, you know,

507
00:17:58,304 --> 00:17:59,525
whatever. And,

508
00:18:00,144 --> 00:18:01,845
weed was just one thing on their menu.

509
00:18:02,065 --> 00:18:04,644
So so people that were into drugs,

510
00:18:05,025 --> 00:18:06,625
you know, they they could trade weed for

511
00:18:06,625 --> 00:18:08,500
whatever meth or heroin or whatever back in

512
00:18:08,500 --> 00:18:10,019
the day or coke or whatever they were

513
00:18:10,019 --> 00:18:11,140
doing. But,

514
00:18:12,179 --> 00:18:12,839
there was

515
00:18:13,220 --> 00:18:14,119
there was definitely

516
00:18:14,740 --> 00:18:17,700
an ease of access both directions for for

517
00:18:17,700 --> 00:18:20,179
narcotics. Right. And so some some people got

518
00:18:20,179 --> 00:18:22,785
caught up in that And some neighborhoods just

519
00:18:22,785 --> 00:18:24,625
kind of gravitated to, you know, birds of

520
00:18:24,625 --> 00:18:26,085
a feather type thing. So,

521
00:18:26,625 --> 00:18:28,384
you know, Murder Mountain, they're just, you know,

522
00:18:28,384 --> 00:18:29,744
there's there was a lot of meth in

523
00:18:29,744 --> 00:18:30,404
the area,

524
00:18:31,825 --> 00:18:33,585
you know, and I think that's more it

525
00:18:33,585 --> 00:18:35,585
was more meth on meth violence than weed

526
00:18:35,585 --> 00:18:36,359
on weed violence.

527
00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:38,679
You know, if you saw violence in the

528
00:18:38,679 --> 00:18:40,779
early days with cannabis,

529
00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,319
you know, it is probably because it was

530
00:18:43,319 --> 00:18:45,559
worth so much. You know, I mean, £5.05

531
00:18:45,559 --> 00:18:47,160
could have been worth 25,000

532
00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:48,599
in an era when the cost of living,

533
00:18:48,599 --> 00:18:50,505
you know, gas was a buck 20 a

534
00:18:50,505 --> 00:18:52,345
gallon kind of thing. So it really went

535
00:18:52,345 --> 00:18:54,105
a lot further. And if you have somebody

536
00:18:54,105 --> 00:18:55,945
coming out of the city, you know, where

537
00:18:55,945 --> 00:18:58,424
they're holding up, you know, seven elevens for

538
00:18:58,424 --> 00:18:59,325
$200,

539
00:18:59,785 --> 00:19:01,545
why wouldn't they hold up a 19 year

540
00:19:01,545 --> 00:19:03,384
old kid that's got, you know, a paper

541
00:19:03,384 --> 00:19:06,820
sack in the trunk, you know, that's $25.

542
00:19:06,839 --> 00:19:08,700
Yeah. Those kind of those kind of troubles

543
00:19:08,759 --> 00:19:11,099
come back upstream from the city. Yeah.

544
00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:13,960
Correct. Correct. You know, and and in the

545
00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:15,820
early era, you know, I mean, we definitely

546
00:19:16,039 --> 00:19:19,240
had some questionable interactions with people. And I

547
00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:19,740
always

548
00:19:20,384 --> 00:19:21,525
always told myself

549
00:19:22,384 --> 00:19:24,224
that if I had to carry a gun

550
00:19:24,224 --> 00:19:25,984
to a deal, it wasn't worth doing. Like,

551
00:19:25,984 --> 00:19:27,825
there was nothing about this plant that was

552
00:19:27,825 --> 00:19:30,384
worth getting hurt over or hurting somebody else

553
00:19:30,384 --> 00:19:32,880
over. And so if I got ripped off

554
00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:34,640
on a front or something, that was my

555
00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,059
bad, their karma, but my my bad decision.

556
00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,480
But, you know, in in the early days,

557
00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,319
I've definitely, you know, walk into rooms and

558
00:19:42,319 --> 00:19:44,799
you'd see, like, you know, sawed off AKs

559
00:19:44,799 --> 00:19:46,784
with, you know, 60 round banana clips and

560
00:19:46,784 --> 00:19:48,304
things laid out and just, like, it wasn't

561
00:19:48,304 --> 00:19:50,005
my vibe. That wasn't my thing.

562
00:19:50,544 --> 00:19:51,924
You know, I was raised around,

563
00:19:52,625 --> 00:19:53,125
firearms,

564
00:19:53,585 --> 00:19:54,404
but also,

565
00:19:54,865 --> 00:19:56,005
with a different purpose.

566
00:19:56,464 --> 00:19:58,865
Yes. Yes. I do. I do. And, yeah,

567
00:19:58,865 --> 00:19:59,765
a 100%.

568
00:19:59,825 --> 00:20:01,029
And so that was just just a whole

569
00:20:01,029 --> 00:20:02,789
different a whole different energy, a whole different

570
00:20:02,789 --> 00:20:04,630
vibe, and and I just told myself, okay.

571
00:20:04,630 --> 00:20:07,109
Well and at that time, you know, you

572
00:20:07,109 --> 00:20:09,450
never ever had to worry about selling everything.

573
00:20:09,509 --> 00:20:10,869
Like, there was always a line. There was

574
00:20:10,869 --> 00:20:12,390
always, you know, there was always a flood

575
00:20:12,390 --> 00:20:14,809
and a drought, and, it always go. And

576
00:20:15,109 --> 00:20:16,845
so you could pick and choose who you

577
00:20:16,845 --> 00:20:18,285
wanted to work with and it just took

578
00:20:18,285 --> 00:20:19,884
me a few years to kind of see,

579
00:20:19,884 --> 00:20:21,325
okay, I don't need to put myself in

580
00:20:21,325 --> 00:20:22,944
these weird situations and

581
00:20:23,325 --> 00:20:23,644
and,

582
00:20:24,444 --> 00:20:26,125
but they were there and some people stayed

583
00:20:26,125 --> 00:20:28,125
in those situations and so, you know, when

584
00:20:28,125 --> 00:20:30,144
I hear things like Murder Mountain, it's really

585
00:20:30,789 --> 00:20:31,829
it's it wasn't

586
00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:34,549
it's not the cannabis culture that made Murder

587
00:20:34,549 --> 00:20:36,549
Mountain. It's it was the harder drugs and

588
00:20:36,549 --> 00:20:39,589
and people making other bad choices. Right on.

589
00:20:39,589 --> 00:20:41,289
Cool. So let let's go back to,

590
00:20:41,829 --> 00:20:43,634
kind of like this this cultivating

591
00:20:46,914 --> 00:20:49,315
young guy, and your your first, your first

592
00:20:49,315 --> 00:20:51,234
plant got grabbed by a buddy. And but

593
00:20:51,234 --> 00:20:53,234
I'm assuming that you, you know, kept going

594
00:20:53,234 --> 00:20:54,674
because you wanted your smoke, and you were

595
00:20:54,674 --> 00:20:56,529
showing your friends. And I'm assuming that there's

596
00:20:56,529 --> 00:20:58,849
kind of like a youth subculture around it

597
00:20:58,849 --> 00:21:00,529
as you all were, like, kinda learning the

598
00:21:00,529 --> 00:21:03,330
game and stuff. When when you were coming

599
00:21:03,330 --> 00:21:05,250
up at that age, you know, you're you're,

600
00:21:05,250 --> 00:21:06,769
you know, you've got your day job. You're

601
00:21:06,769 --> 00:21:07,589
doing construction

602
00:21:07,890 --> 00:21:09,250
and you're you know, sounds like you're going

603
00:21:09,250 --> 00:21:11,014
to school during this time too. All that's

604
00:21:11,014 --> 00:21:13,815
good, but but you're also cultivating, it sounds

605
00:21:13,815 --> 00:21:17,095
like. Who were your mentors in cultivation around

606
00:21:17,095 --> 00:21:19,414
those periods when you're, like, learning how to

607
00:21:19,414 --> 00:21:20,875
do it for the first time?

608
00:21:23,335 --> 00:21:26,150
It was some of some of my older

609
00:21:26,150 --> 00:21:29,670
friends that had already been into cultivating before,

610
00:21:29,670 --> 00:21:31,750
you know, at a, you know, a little

611
00:21:31,750 --> 00:21:33,430
different scale. And I'm and I'm not talking

612
00:21:33,430 --> 00:21:35,509
massive. Back in those days, you know, again,

613
00:21:35,509 --> 00:21:37,769
you know, twenty, twenty five pounds, which seemed

614
00:21:37,830 --> 00:21:39,130
huge when you were 18.

615
00:21:40,115 --> 00:21:41,095
But friends, parents,

616
00:21:42,115 --> 00:21:43,414
they would kind of give you

617
00:21:43,714 --> 00:21:44,534
points on

618
00:21:44,835 --> 00:21:47,794
genetics and and tactics not to be seen

619
00:21:47,794 --> 00:21:49,394
or how to cover your tracks to the

620
00:21:49,394 --> 00:21:50,754
garden so you don't get caught in a

621
00:21:50,754 --> 00:21:52,049
garden and that kind of thing

622
00:21:53,009 --> 00:21:54,769
because, you know, a lot of people didn't

623
00:21:54,769 --> 00:21:56,210
want to grow on their own land back

624
00:21:56,210 --> 00:21:58,369
then because, you know, it just it led

625
00:21:58,369 --> 00:22:00,390
to you if the cops showed up. So,

626
00:22:00,930 --> 00:22:03,570
we have a lot of there's like 250,000

627
00:22:03,570 --> 00:22:06,450
acres of timber company land from in one

628
00:22:06,450 --> 00:22:08,305
ownership group up here. And so a lot

629
00:22:08,305 --> 00:22:09,825
of people would kind of sneak out on

630
00:22:09,825 --> 00:22:12,005
on timber property that had been

631
00:22:12,305 --> 00:22:14,224
logged and the tick brush had grown up

632
00:22:14,224 --> 00:22:16,065
and they didn't expect foresters to be back

633
00:22:16,065 --> 00:22:17,664
in there, that kind of thing. And and

634
00:22:17,664 --> 00:22:19,765
so you'd sneak on. It was basically trespass

635
00:22:19,825 --> 00:22:21,904
growing. And so they would teach you how

636
00:22:21,904 --> 00:22:23,880
to, like, you know, paint your water lines

637
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,559
and cover your tracks and not, you know,

638
00:22:25,559 --> 00:22:27,160
use the same trails in and out, you

639
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:27,660
know,

640
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:29,799
too many times so you're not leaving a

641
00:22:29,799 --> 00:22:31,500
path to your to your patch and,

642
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:33,720
you know, and they'd still get found sometimes.

643
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,019
And it was just so,

644
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:36,940
you know, my friend's parents,

645
00:22:38,304 --> 00:22:40,865
and then sometime and and I was probably

646
00:22:40,865 --> 00:22:43,024
selling more back then than I was growing.

647
00:22:43,024 --> 00:22:45,345
And so sometimes I would help a friend's

648
00:22:45,345 --> 00:22:46,704
parent out, and they'd see that I was

649
00:22:46,704 --> 00:22:48,704
productive. And they'd say, okay. Hey. Let's let's

650
00:22:48,704 --> 00:22:50,065
take you under our wing. This is what

651
00:22:50,065 --> 00:22:51,569
you need to do. And and I just

652
00:22:51,650 --> 00:22:53,089
I was I was a sponge back then.

653
00:22:53,089 --> 00:22:54,210
You know, it was all yours because it

654
00:22:54,210 --> 00:22:55,890
was so interesting. And if you have a

655
00:22:55,890 --> 00:22:57,650
sales ability and you can move product, you're

656
00:22:57,650 --> 00:22:59,190
gonna make friends real fast.

657
00:22:59,569 --> 00:23:01,250
Oh, yeah. If you're making somebody money, they

658
00:23:01,250 --> 00:23:02,230
like you right away.

659
00:23:04,049 --> 00:23:05,585
You know what's interesting? Isn't that always the

660
00:23:05,585 --> 00:23:07,744
truth? The word. You know, you keep on

661
00:23:07,744 --> 00:23:09,444
talking about other people's parents,

662
00:23:10,144 --> 00:23:11,984
you know, mentoring you more than your own,

663
00:23:11,984 --> 00:23:13,924
and yet we know that your dad grew.

664
00:23:14,065 --> 00:23:16,224
Were they not, like like, I don't wanna

665
00:23:16,224 --> 00:23:16,865
put them in they weren't supported, but they

666
00:23:16,865 --> 00:23:17,365
weren't

667
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:20,400
really,

668
00:23:20,799 --> 00:23:22,339
the the primary encouragement

669
00:23:23,279 --> 00:23:25,359
because they were maybe trying to keep you

670
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,039
and them safe. Is is that kinda how

671
00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:27,940
it played out?

672
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,400
Yeah. When my dad got busted, he he

673
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,240
worked for the forest service, and and they

674
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:33,224
ended up getting off,

675
00:23:33,865 --> 00:23:35,944
because the the warrant was bunk where they,

676
00:23:35,944 --> 00:23:37,304
you know, how they said they spotted the

677
00:23:37,304 --> 00:23:38,825
guard and that kind of thing. So they

678
00:23:38,825 --> 00:23:40,265
got it thrown out, but, it was a

679
00:23:40,265 --> 00:23:42,664
huge eye opener to him because we're talking,

680
00:23:42,664 --> 00:23:43,325
you know,

681
00:23:44,664 --> 00:23:46,950
'78, the charges were a whole different game.

682
00:23:47,109 --> 00:23:48,789
And so it didn't take much to get

683
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:49,990
you really hemmed up, and he could have

684
00:23:49,990 --> 00:23:51,349
been a felon. He could have lost his

685
00:23:51,349 --> 00:23:51,849
job,

686
00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:54,409
you know, maybe some freedom.

687
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:56,309
And,

688
00:23:57,109 --> 00:23:59,595
and so, yeah, he he definitely kept it,

689
00:23:59,994 --> 00:24:01,375
everything hidden from me.

690
00:24:02,075 --> 00:24:03,454
But when I turned 18,

691
00:24:04,714 --> 00:24:06,634
the first I went went back for Christmas

692
00:24:06,634 --> 00:24:09,275
and and without saying anything to him, I

693
00:24:09,275 --> 00:24:11,375
just I wrapped up some really good greenbud

694
00:24:11,755 --> 00:24:12,255
and

695
00:24:13,140 --> 00:24:14,119
a pipe from

696
00:24:14,580 --> 00:24:16,359
a local head shop up in Arcadia

697
00:24:16,740 --> 00:24:18,740
and, just get that was his Christmas present.

698
00:24:18,740 --> 00:24:19,859
And he opened it and looked at me,

699
00:24:19,859 --> 00:24:20,980
and it was kinda like we just went

700
00:24:20,980 --> 00:24:22,980
from this transition of, like, father son to

701
00:24:22,980 --> 00:24:24,974
friends. Oh. He's like, okay. We're on this

702
00:24:25,054 --> 00:24:26,255
level now. And,

703
00:24:27,054 --> 00:24:28,494
and so it's been good ever since. And

704
00:24:28,494 --> 00:24:30,815
then, you know, of course, every time every

705
00:24:30,815 --> 00:24:33,054
time I'd go back to the Quincy area,

706
00:24:33,054 --> 00:24:34,255
you know, all of his friends be like,

707
00:24:34,255 --> 00:24:35,775
hey. You coming into town? Come by and

708
00:24:35,775 --> 00:24:37,855
say hi. And I'd be getting more phone

709
00:24:37,855 --> 00:24:39,454
calls from his friends than he'd get from

710
00:24:39,454 --> 00:24:39,954
them.

711
00:24:42,069 --> 00:24:43,669
You know, that's that's such kind of a

712
00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:45,589
tender moment, you know, when you're gifting your

713
00:24:45,589 --> 00:24:47,429
dad weed and he's got this, like, bond

714
00:24:47,589 --> 00:24:49,109
you know, they're like, that sounds like a

715
00:24:49,109 --> 00:24:51,589
movie scene. It's, like, really touching for for

716
00:24:51,589 --> 00:24:52,890
people like us. Right?

717
00:24:53,509 --> 00:24:54,644
Right. You know, and

718
00:24:55,984 --> 00:24:57,744
and we grew up, you know, Alachki kids.

719
00:24:57,744 --> 00:24:59,664
So there wasn't and and, you know, there

720
00:24:59,664 --> 00:25:01,664
wasn't a lot of oversight anyway in life.

721
00:25:01,664 --> 00:25:03,025
You know, there wasn't a lot of,

722
00:25:03,744 --> 00:25:05,105
in any way with me, there wasn't a

723
00:25:05,105 --> 00:25:07,900
lot of, like, father son teaching moments. Yeah.

724
00:25:07,900 --> 00:25:09,099
You know, there was things he would do.

725
00:25:09,099 --> 00:25:10,380
He was our track coach and those kind

726
00:25:10,380 --> 00:25:12,140
of things. He'd come and participate like that.

727
00:25:12,140 --> 00:25:14,059
But there wasn't a whole lot of sitting

728
00:25:14,059 --> 00:25:16,140
down and going, okay, you know, what are

729
00:25:16,140 --> 00:25:18,059
we doing with life? And this is right

730
00:25:18,059 --> 00:25:19,980
and wrong or, you know, don't hurt yourself.

731
00:25:19,980 --> 00:25:21,579
He was just like, okay, you know, come

732
00:25:21,579 --> 00:25:23,234
back by this time, hopefully.

733
00:25:23,694 --> 00:25:24,815
And, you know, if you don't got a

734
00:25:24,815 --> 00:25:26,974
broken arm today, great. Yeah. Well, that that's

735
00:25:26,974 --> 00:25:28,974
that's very much how Gen X was brought

736
00:25:28,974 --> 00:25:31,214
up too. Right? Like, you you did it

737
00:25:31,214 --> 00:25:32,974
in the mountains. I did it in Detroit.

738
00:25:32,974 --> 00:25:35,054
But either way, there was nobody home when

739
00:25:35,054 --> 00:25:35,794
we got home.

740
00:25:36,335 --> 00:25:37,234
Yeah. Right.

741
00:25:37,694 --> 00:25:39,589
So so so, again, you know, those moments,

742
00:25:39,589 --> 00:25:41,029
you know, we didn't ever had those real

743
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:43,029
heart to heart talks. And so, you know,

744
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:45,210
just a simple gift of gifting cannabis,

745
00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:48,149
that was that was a big statement. Yeah.

746
00:25:48,149 --> 00:25:50,710
Right on. So so as you're getting older

747
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:51,940
and, you know, your your connections and your

748
00:25:52,884 --> 00:25:55,684
and your cultivation prowess is starting to expand.

749
00:25:55,684 --> 00:25:57,384
And then, like, you know, the the nineties,

750
00:25:57,525 --> 00:25:59,144
things were, like, hot and heavy.

751
00:25:59,525 --> 00:26:00,005
And,

752
00:26:00,404 --> 00:26:01,765
you know, as I as as I have

753
00:26:01,765 --> 00:26:03,525
put together on your stories, your you had

754
00:26:03,525 --> 00:26:06,039
a spot out, Highway 36 area.

755
00:26:06,420 --> 00:26:08,440
Like, what what was what was a typical

756
00:26:08,500 --> 00:26:11,240
day like that? Like, when when you're realizing

757
00:26:11,299 --> 00:26:13,460
that this is this is starting to work

758
00:26:13,460 --> 00:26:15,799
out for you, you know? Mhmm.

759
00:26:16,595 --> 00:26:18,355
Actually, I'm sitting on that spot right now.

760
00:26:18,355 --> 00:26:20,855
Oh, oh, right on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm

761
00:26:20,914 --> 00:26:23,315
kinda coming full circle. I'm kinda regressing back

762
00:26:23,315 --> 00:26:24,295
to my roots,

763
00:26:25,075 --> 00:26:26,755
in full circle right now with this with

764
00:26:26,755 --> 00:26:28,115
the way the industry is going. But,

765
00:26:28,835 --> 00:26:30,934
so back then, you know, I I definitely

766
00:26:30,994 --> 00:26:31,815
had a

767
00:26:32,369 --> 00:26:34,930
healthy fear of the helicopters like most people

768
00:26:34,930 --> 00:26:37,089
did, but some some people I'll just say,

769
00:26:37,089 --> 00:26:38,609
you know, maybe their, you know, their balls

770
00:26:38,609 --> 00:26:39,809
were a little bigger and they wanted to

771
00:26:39,809 --> 00:26:41,490
go a little bigger and and take take

772
00:26:41,490 --> 00:26:43,250
a little more risk for more reward. I

773
00:26:43,250 --> 00:26:45,650
wasn't that guy. I always believed in staying

774
00:26:45,650 --> 00:26:46,609
smaller than the neighbor.

775
00:26:47,295 --> 00:26:49,134
You know, if if they were gonna spend

776
00:26:49,134 --> 00:26:51,615
any time, you know, hitting farms, I didn't

777
00:26:51,615 --> 00:26:52,914
want it to be ours. And,

778
00:26:54,255 --> 00:26:55,715
and, again, you know, the

779
00:26:56,575 --> 00:26:58,095
the the price back then was so much

780
00:26:58,095 --> 00:27:00,414
higher, you didn't have to grow much. So

781
00:27:00,414 --> 00:27:02,575
you could, you know, pretty minimal exposure. I

782
00:27:02,575 --> 00:27:03,990
mean, there's a lot of shade weed was

783
00:27:03,990 --> 00:27:05,589
growing. You know, I look back on some

784
00:27:05,589 --> 00:27:07,029
of that product, you know, and I'm just

785
00:27:07,029 --> 00:27:08,789
thinking, gosh, how inferior that was. You wouldn't

786
00:27:08,789 --> 00:27:10,309
be able to sell it today sometimes, you

787
00:27:10,309 --> 00:27:12,549
know, just because of the, you know, it's

788
00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:14,250
you'd you'd take it a week early,

789
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:17,195
just so because that was something. And, you

790
00:27:17,195 --> 00:27:18,715
know, it it sucks to say, but it

791
00:27:18,715 --> 00:27:20,894
was so it was so scarce back then.

792
00:27:21,035 --> 00:27:21,855
You could take

793
00:27:22,154 --> 00:27:23,695
immature shade weed and

794
00:27:24,474 --> 00:27:26,315
sell it for a premium and it would

795
00:27:26,315 --> 00:27:26,815
go.

796
00:27:27,674 --> 00:27:28,795
And and, you know, sometimes those factors dictated,

797
00:27:28,795 --> 00:27:29,455
you know,

798
00:27:31,289 --> 00:27:33,210
risking another week with the helicopters because if

799
00:27:33,210 --> 00:27:34,809
they took it, you just lost everything and

800
00:27:34,809 --> 00:27:36,750
then you're just, you know, starting over again.

801
00:27:36,809 --> 00:27:38,329
So because it was only one paycheck a

802
00:27:38,329 --> 00:27:40,569
year until everybody started kinda moving underground and

803
00:27:40,569 --> 00:27:42,809
going into the the diesel days and, you

804
00:27:42,809 --> 00:27:44,269
know, that was that was also

805
00:27:44,889 --> 00:27:47,025
a a a progressional trend in the mid

806
00:27:47,025 --> 00:27:48,404
nineties because of

807
00:27:48,705 --> 00:27:50,545
the the the scrutiny from the air. Mhmm.

808
00:27:50,545 --> 00:27:51,045
Mhmm.

809
00:27:52,545 --> 00:27:54,945
I can see how, like, you know, nowadays,

810
00:27:54,945 --> 00:27:57,265
we talk about people panic cutting because of

811
00:27:57,265 --> 00:27:58,865
the weather. Right? Like, you know, when the

812
00:27:58,865 --> 00:28:00,164
weather starts to turn,

813
00:28:00,690 --> 00:28:02,289
like, you often need to suck it up

814
00:28:02,289 --> 00:28:05,269
a little bit and and risk risk some,

815
00:28:05,569 --> 00:28:07,890
losing some crop to botrytis or whatever your

816
00:28:07,890 --> 00:28:09,429
flavor is where you live. And

817
00:28:09,730 --> 00:28:11,569
to know that you're gonna get, you know,

818
00:28:11,569 --> 00:28:13,730
your other 90 or 80% of the crop

819
00:28:13,730 --> 00:28:16,714
is gonna actually finish. Right? But what you're

820
00:28:16,714 --> 00:28:18,954
describing is a different kind of panic cut,

821
00:28:18,954 --> 00:28:21,454
which is like, oh, they popped my neighbor

822
00:28:21,674 --> 00:28:22,654
two days ago.

823
00:28:23,194 --> 00:28:25,194
I could be next. I need to cut

824
00:28:25,194 --> 00:28:27,835
because law enforcement might be coming. That's a

825
00:28:27,835 --> 00:28:29,775
whole different level of panic cutting.

826
00:28:30,740 --> 00:28:32,340
Well, let let me just tell you. You

827
00:28:32,340 --> 00:28:34,440
know, I mean, it we would get hovered,

828
00:28:34,660 --> 00:28:36,900
you know, four to five times, like, literally

829
00:28:36,900 --> 00:28:37,400
hovered

830
00:28:37,700 --> 00:28:39,619
four to five times a year. So that

831
00:28:39,619 --> 00:28:41,100
was always always

832
00:28:41,539 --> 00:28:43,460
Dude, I would lose my shit. That sounds

833
00:28:43,460 --> 00:28:45,695
terrible. Oh, they, yeah. They knew they knew

834
00:28:45,695 --> 00:28:47,695
what, you know, what subdivisions, what and when

835
00:28:47,695 --> 00:28:49,615
we say subdivisions, you know, up where I'm

836
00:28:49,615 --> 00:28:51,455
at, there's nothing smaller than a 40 acre

837
00:28:51,455 --> 00:28:53,375
parcel. But, you know, some of these big

838
00:28:53,375 --> 00:28:55,475
ranches that broke apart and stuff, they,

839
00:28:56,894 --> 00:28:58,580
they sub divided, so they knew where the

840
00:28:58,580 --> 00:29:00,180
hot spots were. And,

841
00:29:00,820 --> 00:29:02,740
I'm sorry. I got a got a Pyrenees

842
00:29:02,740 --> 00:29:03,799
barking in the background.

843
00:29:04,340 --> 00:29:05,860
So they knew where the hot spots were,

844
00:29:05,860 --> 00:29:07,700
and they would always poke around and check

845
00:29:07,700 --> 00:29:09,140
you out. And I and they were just

846
00:29:09,140 --> 00:29:10,119
kind of tallying

847
00:29:11,654 --> 00:29:13,914
the most bang for the buck back then.

848
00:29:14,134 --> 00:29:16,535
And, they would usually hit our mountain almost

849
00:29:16,535 --> 00:29:17,995
religiously every three years.

850
00:29:18,375 --> 00:29:20,295
And when they would come, they would set

851
00:29:20,295 --> 00:29:21,674
up down at a local airport.

852
00:29:22,295 --> 00:29:23,735
They'd fly the nets in and out, but

853
00:29:23,735 --> 00:29:25,335
they'd have a ground crew. And, you know,

854
00:29:25,335 --> 00:29:26,819
there was no warrants or anything. They just

855
00:29:26,819 --> 00:29:28,819
go gate cutting. And, you know, a lot

856
00:29:28,819 --> 00:29:29,319
of

857
00:29:30,419 --> 00:29:32,839
times, they cut gates on on properties

858
00:29:33,460 --> 00:29:35,539
to drive through them that didn't have any

859
00:29:35,539 --> 00:29:37,059
weed, but they wanted to put eyes on

860
00:29:37,059 --> 00:29:38,339
stuff like that. A lot of it a

861
00:29:38,339 --> 00:29:40,339
lot of reasons and excuses that were, you

862
00:29:40,339 --> 00:29:42,664
know, just kind of tossed about freely to

863
00:29:42,664 --> 00:29:44,345
come through somebody's land,

864
00:29:44,664 --> 00:29:46,825
unwarranted. And, oh, no. You know, we got

865
00:29:46,825 --> 00:29:48,025
a trailer. We just had to get turned

866
00:29:48,025 --> 00:29:49,224
around. We had to cut your gate and,

867
00:29:49,224 --> 00:29:50,045
you know, whatever.

868
00:29:50,744 --> 00:29:52,924
But they're putting eyes on things, you know.

869
00:29:53,065 --> 00:29:53,565
And

870
00:29:54,340 --> 00:29:55,860
we did we got we get hovered four

871
00:29:55,860 --> 00:29:57,220
or five times a year, so that fear

872
00:29:57,220 --> 00:29:59,299
was always there. There was always an anxiety

873
00:29:59,299 --> 00:30:00,680
until you got to October.

874
00:30:01,539 --> 00:30:03,799
Then it's a big sigh of relief. Yeah.

875
00:30:04,340 --> 00:30:06,340
Alright. So we're gonna talk more about, like,

876
00:30:06,340 --> 00:30:08,420
the Outlier and the camp stuff in set

877
00:30:08,420 --> 00:30:10,105
two. But before we go to our first

878
00:30:10,105 --> 00:30:12,265
commercial break, I didn't know where to put

879
00:30:12,265 --> 00:30:13,944
these questions, and so I'm putting them right

880
00:30:13,944 --> 00:30:16,365
here. Let's talk about extreme sports.

881
00:30:16,904 --> 00:30:18,424
Because, you know, that's how I that's how

882
00:30:18,424 --> 00:30:20,904
I actually found out about you and your

883
00:30:20,904 --> 00:30:23,900
crew is I was, like, cruising through Instagram,

884
00:30:24,039 --> 00:30:25,799
and I see all these great all this

885
00:30:25,799 --> 00:30:28,039
great weed. And then I continue scrolling, and

886
00:30:28,039 --> 00:30:30,919
I see you guys, like, like, skydiving and

887
00:30:30,919 --> 00:30:33,974
hang gliding and skiing and, you know, off

888
00:30:33,974 --> 00:30:36,134
the cliff. And I'm like, who the hell

889
00:30:36,134 --> 00:30:38,214
are these guys? This looks like, you know,

890
00:30:38,214 --> 00:30:40,295
like like point break or some shit. You

891
00:30:40,295 --> 00:30:40,795
know?

892
00:30:41,174 --> 00:30:43,335
And Yeah. And and then and then I

893
00:30:43,335 --> 00:30:45,335
think the first time we interacted was,

894
00:30:45,894 --> 00:30:47,494
I was I was saying, hey. Do you

895
00:30:47,494 --> 00:30:48,954
mind if I recommend,

896
00:30:49,789 --> 00:30:52,029
you know, your profile to the people I

897
00:30:52,029 --> 00:30:53,869
knew at Red Bull? And I started sending

898
00:30:53,869 --> 00:30:55,150
them your stuff because I wanted them to

899
00:30:55,150 --> 00:30:57,329
do a profile on you guys. You know?

900
00:30:57,390 --> 00:30:59,630
And so so how did how did the

901
00:30:59,630 --> 00:31:02,589
extreme sports part become part of Full Moon

902
00:31:02,589 --> 00:31:04,109
Farms? Because it really does seem to be

903
00:31:04,109 --> 00:31:05,494
a whole crew thing.

904
00:31:06,355 --> 00:31:07,555
Yeah. So, I mean, you know, a lot

905
00:31:07,555 --> 00:31:09,734
of our crew over the years, was

906
00:31:10,115 --> 00:31:12,275
was family or they might as well have

907
00:31:12,275 --> 00:31:13,894
been family. You know, they're they're

908
00:31:14,595 --> 00:31:16,914
our parents were all friends. Everybody kinda grew

909
00:31:16,914 --> 00:31:18,720
up around each other together. I mean, I

910
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,240
mean, they might as well be cousins, you

911
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:20,740
know,

912
00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:22,900
even if there wasn't blood involved.

913
00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:25,220
But, we all grew up on skis,

914
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,759
and, you know, there's some phenomenal skiers that

915
00:31:29,759 --> 00:31:31,619
have worked with us and,

916
00:31:32,734 --> 00:31:34,414
you know, snow sports have always been a

917
00:31:34,414 --> 00:31:36,414
major thing. My cousin and I,

918
00:31:36,815 --> 00:31:38,815
we're getting into the skydiving a bit.

919
00:31:39,535 --> 00:31:41,855
You know, it's just just chasing the thrills,

920
00:31:41,855 --> 00:31:43,615
you know, scuba diving with sharks, those kind

921
00:31:43,615 --> 00:31:45,535
of things. But a lot of what you're

922
00:31:45,535 --> 00:31:46,035
seeing,

923
00:31:46,815 --> 00:31:49,319
is some they're they're real pros,

924
00:31:49,779 --> 00:31:51,460
from Idaho. A couple of buddies of mine

925
00:31:51,460 --> 00:31:52,980
live out in Idaho. And I mean, they

926
00:31:52,980 --> 00:31:55,000
do that for a living. Those guys are,

927
00:31:55,700 --> 00:31:57,460
they go to, you know, Chamonix in the

928
00:31:57,460 --> 00:32:00,440
winter and and just their, you know,

929
00:32:01,095 --> 00:32:04,315
top 15 world class, you know, kayakers and,

930
00:32:04,934 --> 00:32:07,335
they're they're on a different level. And,

931
00:32:07,734 --> 00:32:09,835
you know, and our friendships and stuff

932
00:32:10,134 --> 00:32:12,454
have evolved and and they started rocking some

933
00:32:12,454 --> 00:32:15,220
of our our wings with the logo and

934
00:32:15,220 --> 00:32:17,380
stuff and throwing us some love. And so

935
00:32:17,380 --> 00:32:19,539
a lot of the super extreme stuff you're

936
00:32:19,539 --> 00:32:22,500
seeing, those guys are, legit, legit pros out

937
00:32:22,500 --> 00:32:25,140
of Idaho. That's a really positive influence to

938
00:32:25,140 --> 00:32:27,059
have on your on your posse. Right? You

939
00:32:27,059 --> 00:32:28,259
got some guys who are like, no. No.

940
00:32:28,259 --> 00:32:30,494
No. Let's let's let's go bigger and harder

941
00:32:30,794 --> 00:32:32,474
because I know enough to, like, not kill

942
00:32:32,474 --> 00:32:32,974
you.

943
00:32:33,674 --> 00:32:34,174
Probably.

944
00:32:34,474 --> 00:32:35,755
Well, you you know, it's,

945
00:32:36,634 --> 00:32:38,634
you know, in in cannabis and out the

946
00:32:38,634 --> 00:32:40,255
outdoors in general. Right?

947
00:32:41,035 --> 00:32:42,589
That's always gone together.

948
00:32:43,049 --> 00:32:43,549
And,

949
00:32:44,170 --> 00:32:44,750
you know,

950
00:32:45,289 --> 00:32:47,230
outdoor activities, surfing, skiing,

951
00:32:47,849 --> 00:32:50,569
you know, backpacking, camping, you know, cannabis goes

952
00:32:50,569 --> 00:32:52,329
together with all of that so good. And

953
00:32:52,329 --> 00:32:54,184
so why not just take it to the

954
00:32:54,184 --> 00:32:56,345
highest limit if you're working with really high

955
00:32:56,345 --> 00:32:58,825
level cannabis? Let's let's take the the the

956
00:32:58,825 --> 00:33:01,884
wing flying to another level also. And,

957
00:33:03,224 --> 00:33:05,144
you know, just it's a happy marriage. And

958
00:33:05,144 --> 00:33:07,065
right now, like what we're doing with the

959
00:33:07,065 --> 00:33:08,990
Humboldt Family Farms project,

960
00:33:10,250 --> 00:33:12,809
they are working with like Surfer magazine and

961
00:33:12,809 --> 00:33:15,549
Skateboard magazine and Power magazine. And,

962
00:33:16,250 --> 00:33:18,829
they're really trying to drive that point home

963
00:33:18,890 --> 00:33:19,390
that,

964
00:33:19,930 --> 00:33:21,549
you know, good, clean, organic

965
00:33:21,904 --> 00:33:22,644
sun grown,

966
00:33:23,585 --> 00:33:26,625
goes well with those outdoor mindsets because it's

967
00:33:26,625 --> 00:33:28,704
a a certain individual that likes to spend

968
00:33:28,704 --> 00:33:30,704
most of their time outside. You know, it's

969
00:33:30,784 --> 00:33:33,345
and it's that mindset's exactly that's that's who

970
00:33:33,345 --> 00:33:34,565
we wanna connect with.

971
00:33:35,105 --> 00:33:38,269
Sun grown, sun sports, you know, wanting the

972
00:33:38,269 --> 00:33:40,990
best top tier extreme. It's all it's all

973
00:33:40,990 --> 00:33:43,630
about having the best connection with yourself and

974
00:33:43,630 --> 00:33:44,369
with nature.

975
00:33:45,150 --> 00:33:46,990
Yeah. And and, you know, those circles are

976
00:33:46,990 --> 00:33:48,929
all really good people. I mean, they're genuine

977
00:33:49,150 --> 00:33:50,525
good souls. So,

978
00:33:51,224 --> 00:33:52,984
if you surround yourself with good people, good

979
00:33:52,984 --> 00:33:54,265
things happen. And,

980
00:33:54,904 --> 00:33:55,965
it's hard to find,

981
00:33:57,224 --> 00:33:59,305
assholes in the backcountry, so to speak. Like,

982
00:33:59,305 --> 00:34:01,404
there's, you know, a lot of grounded people.

983
00:34:01,625 --> 00:34:03,865
Yeah. Right on. Right on. Cool. So with

984
00:34:03,865 --> 00:34:05,579
that, we're gonna take our first short break

985
00:34:05,579 --> 00:34:07,339
and be right back. You are listening to

986
00:34:07,339 --> 00:34:09,840
Shaping Fire, and my guest today is legacy

987
00:34:09,900 --> 00:34:10,800
cannabis cultivator,

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00:34:11,340 --> 00:34:13,980
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Welcome back, friends. You are listening to Shaping

1120
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,340
Fire, and I am your host, Shangelos.

1121
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,300
My guest today is legacy cannabis cultivator,

1122
00:39:56,679 --> 00:39:58,699
Nick Erickson of Full Moon Farms.

1123
00:39:59,324 --> 00:40:01,885
So, Nick, during the first set, we'd, touched

1124
00:40:01,885 --> 00:40:03,565
a bit on what it was like to

1125
00:40:03,565 --> 00:40:06,525
have, law enforcement always up in your business,

1126
00:40:06,925 --> 00:40:07,425
doing

1127
00:40:07,804 --> 00:40:10,625
flyovers of your house several times a year

1128
00:40:10,925 --> 00:40:13,289
and showing up to pop people in your

1129
00:40:13,289 --> 00:40:13,789
neighborhood,

1130
00:40:14,090 --> 00:40:15,470
you know, pretty regularly.

1131
00:40:16,010 --> 00:40:18,030
What would is what was it like during

1132
00:40:18,170 --> 00:40:20,250
camp? Like, I get this idea that they

1133
00:40:20,250 --> 00:40:22,430
were set up in the community

1134
00:40:22,730 --> 00:40:24,430
in some ways in Humboldt.

1135
00:40:24,890 --> 00:40:27,704
And so I I I imagine, like, these

1136
00:40:27,704 --> 00:40:29,945
these law enforcement officers, you know, being at

1137
00:40:29,945 --> 00:40:32,025
the market and being at the, you know,

1138
00:40:32,025 --> 00:40:34,265
being at the diner and being around at

1139
00:40:34,265 --> 00:40:35,164
the same time.

1140
00:40:35,945 --> 00:40:38,105
You're trying to live your life working your

1141
00:40:38,105 --> 00:40:40,969
regular job and then also your cannabis, you

1142
00:40:40,969 --> 00:40:41,469
know,

1143
00:40:42,010 --> 00:40:44,809
job, let's say. And I I feel it

1144
00:40:44,809 --> 00:40:46,489
kinda hits me like there was always this

1145
00:40:46,489 --> 00:40:49,710
low level threat just, like, all the time.

1146
00:40:49,849 --> 00:40:51,449
But but maybe I'm reading into it because

1147
00:40:51,449 --> 00:40:53,150
Humboldt really is spread out.

1148
00:40:53,690 --> 00:40:55,289
Well yeah. No. And and, I mean, there

1149
00:40:55,289 --> 00:40:56,785
was a low level threat just in in

1150
00:40:56,785 --> 00:40:58,625
the community in general too, because there was

1151
00:40:58,625 --> 00:40:59,844
a lot of people that

1152
00:41:00,864 --> 00:41:04,304
really looked down on cannabis. And so you

1153
00:41:04,304 --> 00:41:06,545
had a really, you know, you operated in

1154
00:41:06,545 --> 00:41:08,385
all circles, but you you didn't want the

1155
00:41:08,385 --> 00:41:10,704
wrong neighbor finding out, you know, or the

1156
00:41:10,704 --> 00:41:13,340
wrong person finding out because there was resentment,

1157
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:14,940
maybe a little jealousy,

1158
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,640
you know, if if you were able to

1159
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,640
put new tires on your car every year

1160
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,079
or you ended up with, like, a new

1161
00:41:21,079 --> 00:41:22,680
a new rig every now and then, something

1162
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,920
like that. So there was you know, we're

1163
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,780
we're coming out of an era where,

1164
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:27,980
where

1165
00:41:28,335 --> 00:41:30,175
it wasn't just law enforcement. You had to

1166
00:41:30,175 --> 00:41:32,255
really be careful of, like, who was next

1167
00:41:32,255 --> 00:41:34,094
door. And it was kind of it was

1168
00:41:34,094 --> 00:41:34,914
kind of a weird

1169
00:41:35,375 --> 00:41:36,894
a weird dynamic because,

1170
00:41:37,295 --> 00:41:39,315
especially as things kind of moved indoor,

1171
00:41:41,534 --> 00:41:42,914
that the price

1172
00:41:43,559 --> 00:41:45,960
the prices were so high and that you

1173
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,800
could get multiple harvests that there was a

1174
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,039
lot of people that didn't smoke cannabis. They

1175
00:41:50,039 --> 00:41:52,039
weren't part of the cannabis culture, but they

1176
00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:53,960
converted their garages just so they could get

1177
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,875
an extra six or 10 pounds every three

1178
00:41:55,875 --> 00:41:58,034
months, you know? And so, you know, smells

1179
00:41:58,034 --> 00:41:59,715
drifting, those kind of things. So people would,

1180
00:41:59,715 --> 00:42:00,755
you know, would,

1181
00:42:01,235 --> 00:42:03,414
basically just kind of snitch on each other.

1182
00:42:04,114 --> 00:42:05,795
And so you had to be really, really

1183
00:42:05,795 --> 00:42:08,369
cautious because the consequences were so much heavier

1184
00:42:08,369 --> 00:42:11,489
back then. Yeah. And with camp, it was,

1185
00:42:12,849 --> 00:42:14,869
you know, it was a collective

1186
00:42:15,489 --> 00:42:17,889
of different law enforcement agencies that would come

1187
00:42:17,889 --> 00:42:18,389
together.

1188
00:42:18,769 --> 00:42:19,589
And so

1189
00:42:19,969 --> 00:42:21,945
what I saw with it was, you know,

1190
00:42:22,344 --> 00:42:23,244
you had this,

1191
00:42:23,945 --> 00:42:26,265
like, kind of collective pissing contest, right? Because

1192
00:42:26,265 --> 00:42:26,765
you

1193
00:42:27,065 --> 00:42:28,664
you you had your normal boys you'd work

1194
00:42:28,664 --> 00:42:30,105
with every day. But now all of a

1195
00:42:30,105 --> 00:42:31,625
sudden, you maybe you got some guys from

1196
00:42:31,625 --> 00:42:33,305
Butte and you got some guys from Mendo

1197
00:42:33,305 --> 00:42:34,985
and you got, you know, maybe some CHP

1198
00:42:34,985 --> 00:42:37,329
officers or somebody from the state working with

1199
00:42:37,329 --> 00:42:39,329
you. And it just becomes this kind of,

1200
00:42:39,730 --> 00:42:43,409
you know, this weird little, like, camaraderie, but,

1201
00:42:43,730 --> 00:42:46,210
chest bumping and a pissing contest. And so

1202
00:42:46,210 --> 00:42:46,869
they would

1203
00:42:47,730 --> 00:42:48,710
they were aggressive.

1204
00:42:49,085 --> 00:42:50,764
They were aggressive. You know, I mean, they're

1205
00:42:50,764 --> 00:42:52,704
supposed to be five hundred foot, you know,

1206
00:42:52,764 --> 00:42:54,525
hard decks for them to to stay above.

1207
00:42:54,525 --> 00:42:56,464
You know, they come below that. You know,

1208
00:42:57,644 --> 00:43:00,304
when we first when we first had our

1209
00:43:00,525 --> 00:43:02,065
very, very, very first greenhouse,

1210
00:43:02,605 --> 00:43:04,144
which just seemed extremely

1211
00:43:05,529 --> 00:43:07,769
risky to me because you were announcing that

1212
00:43:07,769 --> 00:43:10,089
you had cannabis on your property. But there

1213
00:43:10,089 --> 00:43:11,929
was these curtilage laws that said, okay, if

1214
00:43:11,929 --> 00:43:13,769
you're within 300 feet of a residence, they

1215
00:43:13,769 --> 00:43:15,949
needed a warrant to look inside them and

1216
00:43:16,010 --> 00:43:17,804
this type of thing. But people were starting

1217
00:43:17,804 --> 00:43:19,405
to grow under canopy, and I had a

1218
00:43:19,405 --> 00:43:21,005
20 by 50 right out in front of

1219
00:43:21,005 --> 00:43:21,744
our cabin.

1220
00:43:22,445 --> 00:43:22,844
And,

1221
00:43:23,644 --> 00:43:24,945
this is, you know, before

1222
00:43:25,324 --> 00:43:28,545
snap fans and and airflow technology that that

1223
00:43:29,005 --> 00:43:30,630
everybody uses today. But,

1224
00:43:31,109 --> 00:43:32,389
so I would use I would leave the

1225
00:43:32,389 --> 00:43:33,989
ends of the greenhouse off and align the

1226
00:43:33,989 --> 00:43:35,670
greenhouse with the wind patterns. So we had

1227
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:38,230
this, like, natural airflow through the greenhouse. And

1228
00:43:38,230 --> 00:43:39,989
the the the ends of the greenhouse, the

1229
00:43:39,989 --> 00:43:41,589
plastic would just kind of be folded up

1230
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:43,190
on the ground. And so when you would

1231
00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:45,105
hear those Hueys coming and that's what they

1232
00:43:45,105 --> 00:43:47,045
use back in those days was a Huey.

1233
00:43:47,425 --> 00:43:47,925
And

1234
00:43:48,224 --> 00:43:50,565
they have a very distinct thump, thump, thump,

1235
00:43:51,025 --> 00:43:52,784
thump, thump, thump. Yeah. And you can hear

1236
00:43:52,784 --> 00:43:54,945
it coming down your canyon, you know? And

1237
00:43:54,945 --> 00:43:56,385
and my cousin and I would have to

1238
00:43:56,385 --> 00:43:57,905
run out and get on ladders and we'd

1239
00:43:57,905 --> 00:43:59,739
stretch the the tarps up to the to

1240
00:43:59,739 --> 00:44:01,500
the ends and and try to block their

1241
00:44:01,500 --> 00:44:02,000
view.

1242
00:44:02,300 --> 00:44:04,380
And I mean, we've we've been caught with,

1243
00:44:05,180 --> 00:44:07,099
you know, they'd come and drop down on

1244
00:44:07,099 --> 00:44:08,460
us with their prop wash and we'd be

1245
00:44:08,460 --> 00:44:09,900
on the ladders with our heads down so

1246
00:44:09,900 --> 00:44:11,660
they couldn't take pictures of us. And we'd

1247
00:44:11,660 --> 00:44:13,260
just be holding on the plastics with our

1248
00:44:13,260 --> 00:44:15,195
bare hands and they would just be hitting

1249
00:44:15,195 --> 00:44:16,555
us with prop wash trying to blow the

1250
00:44:16,555 --> 00:44:17,295
tarps off.

1251
00:44:17,595 --> 00:44:19,195
And, you know, you're just up on this

1252
00:44:19,195 --> 00:44:21,375
chatter being or ladder being shook and,

1253
00:44:21,835 --> 00:44:23,355
you know, and and then they take off,

1254
00:44:23,355 --> 00:44:24,635
and you didn't know if they're gonna come

1255
00:44:24,635 --> 00:44:25,675
back with a warrant or not. You know,

1256
00:44:25,675 --> 00:44:27,055
you didn't know if they got a glimpse

1257
00:44:27,339 --> 00:44:29,119
inside or or that kind of thing. So

1258
00:44:29,260 --> 00:44:30,159
that that was,

1259
00:44:30,460 --> 00:44:32,460
that was all the time. You know, they

1260
00:44:32,460 --> 00:44:34,139
they were on people, but,

1261
00:44:34,619 --> 00:44:36,300
they also you know, being a tight knit

1262
00:44:36,300 --> 00:44:37,819
community, you know, there was a lot like

1263
00:44:37,819 --> 00:44:38,859
I said, you know, a lot of people

1264
00:44:38,859 --> 00:44:41,575
that grew didn't weren't really in the culture

1265
00:44:41,575 --> 00:44:43,255
or smoke. So there's, like, a lot of

1266
00:44:43,255 --> 00:44:44,394
ranchers and landowners

1267
00:44:45,335 --> 00:44:46,474
that large landowners

1268
00:44:46,855 --> 00:44:47,835
that, you know, participated,

1269
00:44:49,335 --> 00:44:50,934
but they're also friends with the sheriff. Maybe

1270
00:44:50,934 --> 00:44:51,815
they have to come out and do a

1271
00:44:51,815 --> 00:44:53,440
little hunting, or maybe they took an envelope,

1272
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:54,800
or maybe they got into a four wheeler,

1273
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,160
those kind of things. So there was there

1274
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:57,219
were certain properties

1275
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:58,180
that

1276
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,559
there was X's on and ones that were

1277
00:45:00,559 --> 00:45:02,960
no go's. And so some people got passes

1278
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:04,559
because of that. And,

1279
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:05,534
you know,

1280
00:45:06,094 --> 00:45:08,014
there's kind of a long history of corruption

1281
00:45:08,014 --> 00:45:10,174
in the sheriff's department here. And some of

1282
00:45:10,174 --> 00:45:11,694
them some some of them have been released

1283
00:45:11,694 --> 00:45:14,014
because of it. And, we actually had an

1284
00:45:14,014 --> 00:45:16,255
ex camp agent that was one of our

1285
00:45:16,255 --> 00:45:17,315
neighbors for,

1286
00:45:17,934 --> 00:45:20,734
oh, twenty years. And, he grew a few

1287
00:45:20,734 --> 00:45:21,234
plants.

1288
00:45:21,549 --> 00:45:23,150
And this was post camp, you know, he

1289
00:45:23,150 --> 00:45:24,589
was out of out of it. Yeah. But

1290
00:45:24,589 --> 00:45:25,949
he he grew a few plants and he'd

1291
00:45:25,949 --> 00:45:27,150
tell us, he'd be like, oh, yeah. You

1292
00:45:27,150 --> 00:45:28,909
know, we'd have a map. And, you know,

1293
00:45:28,909 --> 00:45:30,589
if we saw something on this guy's land,

1294
00:45:30,589 --> 00:45:32,210
we were told, okay, that that stays.

1295
00:45:32,589 --> 00:45:34,554
And, we'll we'll just go after these smaller

1296
00:45:34,554 --> 00:45:36,815
operators and low hanging fruit. And

1297
00:45:37,835 --> 00:45:41,114
It's it's it's funny how envelopes have not

1298
00:45:41,114 --> 00:45:41,614
changed.

1299
00:45:42,554 --> 00:45:43,054
No.

1300
00:45:44,074 --> 00:45:46,315
No. But, you know, I mean, you know,

1301
00:45:46,315 --> 00:45:48,489
if you're, like, you know, if you're, you

1302
00:45:48,489 --> 00:45:51,130
know, risking your life being a first responder

1303
00:45:51,130 --> 00:45:53,450
like that for $3,040,000 a year back in

1304
00:45:53,450 --> 00:45:56,489
those days and and you see more than

1305
00:45:56,489 --> 00:45:58,650
that every day being taken off the Hill

1306
00:45:58,650 --> 00:46:00,190
and nobody's going to report it,

1307
00:46:00,945 --> 00:46:01,684
You know,

1308
00:46:02,945 --> 00:46:04,785
it it it's easy to get, I guess,

1309
00:46:04,785 --> 00:46:06,385
a sticky finger, say, you know, so and

1310
00:46:06,385 --> 00:46:08,785
that and that happened, you know? Absolutely. I

1311
00:46:08,785 --> 00:46:10,565
mean, I I knew people that were

1312
00:46:11,425 --> 00:46:13,380
middlemen back in the day that used to

1313
00:46:13,380 --> 00:46:16,500
take wet rape buds from camp officers in

1314
00:46:16,500 --> 00:46:19,059
duffel bags. So there was a hypocrisy to

1315
00:46:19,059 --> 00:46:19,880
it for sure.

1316
00:46:20,739 --> 00:46:22,500
Not to say that there wasn't some super

1317
00:46:22,500 --> 00:46:24,819
gung ho, you know, Eagle Scout minded, you

1318
00:46:24,819 --> 00:46:26,934
know, let's just go let's just go after

1319
00:46:26,934 --> 00:46:28,694
the hippies, these dope smoking hippies and get

1320
00:46:28,694 --> 00:46:30,375
them. There was definitely those guys too, but

1321
00:46:30,375 --> 00:46:31,815
there was also some on the side that

1322
00:46:31,815 --> 00:46:33,275
just kinda looked the other way

1323
00:46:33,894 --> 00:46:36,635
and got what extra they could. Mhmm. Mhmm.

1324
00:46:36,775 --> 00:46:39,414
So when you when you describe the the

1325
00:46:39,414 --> 00:46:41,950
the the helicopters coming down low and you're

1326
00:46:41,950 --> 00:46:44,190
holding the canopy on trying to make sure

1327
00:46:44,190 --> 00:46:45,809
they can't get a picture of the weed,

1328
00:46:45,950 --> 00:46:48,190
this is, like, this is again another wonderful

1329
00:46:48,190 --> 00:46:49,410
movie scene. Right?

1330
00:46:49,869 --> 00:46:51,550
How old are you around this time? Are

1331
00:46:51,550 --> 00:46:53,150
you still, like, a young man, or are

1332
00:46:53,150 --> 00:46:55,070
you, like, in your, you know, twenties and

1333
00:46:55,150 --> 00:46:55,844
at this point?

1334
00:46:56,484 --> 00:46:58,804
Probably I mean, that was 22

1335
00:46:58,804 --> 00:47:00,885
and on probably in that range. But I

1336
00:47:00,885 --> 00:47:03,045
mean, this is I've been doing I've been,

1337
00:47:03,045 --> 00:47:05,385
you know, my first plant was at 14.

1338
00:47:05,525 --> 00:47:07,545
My first camp experience was at 18,

1339
00:47:08,085 --> 00:47:10,005
and it's been every year. I mean, we

1340
00:47:10,005 --> 00:47:11,789
got flown last year and I'm, you

1341
00:47:12,089 --> 00:47:13,529
know, I'm licensed. You know, I was out

1342
00:47:13,529 --> 00:47:15,449
there actually putting metric tags on plants, and

1343
00:47:15,449 --> 00:47:17,609
they're hovering me. Wow. So this this is

1344
00:47:17,609 --> 00:47:20,650
like a constant seasonal thing your entire life.

1345
00:47:20,650 --> 00:47:23,369
Even now when you're licensed, that's it's Yeah.

1346
00:47:23,369 --> 00:47:25,744
What a what a odd thing to have

1347
00:47:25,744 --> 00:47:28,565
part of your personal lore is to be,

1348
00:47:28,625 --> 00:47:31,425
you know, spending intense periods trying to hold

1349
00:47:31,425 --> 00:47:32,565
the canopy down

1350
00:47:32,945 --> 00:47:35,184
on on your greenhouses. It's it's just a

1351
00:47:35,505 --> 00:47:36,085
you know?

1352
00:47:36,864 --> 00:47:39,329
It's, Right. They they've down sized their helicopters

1353
00:47:39,329 --> 00:47:41,570
to more fuel efficient models. They're quieter. They're

1354
00:47:41,570 --> 00:47:43,250
smaller. But, you know, if they get a

1355
00:47:43,250 --> 00:47:44,450
butt the thing is, you know, if they

1356
00:47:44,450 --> 00:47:45,269
get grant money,

1357
00:47:46,610 --> 00:47:49,170
they they're gonna use it. Yeah. And there's

1358
00:47:49,170 --> 00:47:50,930
just not very many people left. There's not

1359
00:47:50,930 --> 00:47:53,215
very many legal farms left, let alone illegal

1360
00:47:53,215 --> 00:47:53,715
farms.

1361
00:47:54,175 --> 00:47:56,755
You know, the indoor scenes all but dead.

1362
00:47:57,135 --> 00:47:59,215
The outdoor scene is, you know, on its

1363
00:47:59,215 --> 00:48:01,775
last leg right now and and they're still

1364
00:48:01,775 --> 00:48:03,534
getting budgets to fly. And,

1365
00:48:04,175 --> 00:48:04,835
this year,

1366
00:48:05,660 --> 00:48:08,460
there's a five county coalition to look into

1367
00:48:08,460 --> 00:48:10,320
human trafficking. That's the new,

1368
00:48:10,780 --> 00:48:11,760
war drum. And,

1369
00:48:12,860 --> 00:48:15,660
I get that human trafficking occurs, and that's

1370
00:48:15,660 --> 00:48:16,720
absolutely horrible.

1371
00:48:18,305 --> 00:48:20,405
You know? But if they are looking at

1372
00:48:20,785 --> 00:48:23,285
legal farms and, you know, off off,

1373
00:48:23,985 --> 00:48:25,845
site processing, those type of things,

1374
00:48:26,945 --> 00:48:29,265
it's it just it's more grant money that

1375
00:48:29,265 --> 00:48:30,164
needs to be

1376
00:48:30,619 --> 00:48:33,179
spent and results gotta come from it. And

1377
00:48:33,179 --> 00:48:34,860
so this year, we have a whole new

1378
00:48:34,860 --> 00:48:37,660
thing happening, and the Humboldt County Sheriff has

1379
00:48:37,660 --> 00:48:39,660
taken the lead for the five county aid,

1380
00:48:39,900 --> 00:48:40,400
coalition.

1381
00:48:41,500 --> 00:48:43,664
So this year, it's gonna get weird. You

1382
00:48:43,664 --> 00:48:45,905
know, now they're instead of looking for necessary,

1383
00:48:45,905 --> 00:48:47,744
like, the environmental fines like they have been

1384
00:48:47,744 --> 00:48:48,485
in the last,

1385
00:48:48,785 --> 00:48:50,305
you know, seven, eight years with Fish and

1386
00:48:50,305 --> 00:48:52,065
Wildlife and the Water Board, now it's now

1387
00:48:52,065 --> 00:48:54,485
they're looking into human trafficking violations.

1388
00:48:56,059 --> 00:48:57,820
And, you know, I I'll say that, you

1389
00:48:57,820 --> 00:48:59,039
know, for the most part,

1390
00:49:00,139 --> 00:49:01,579
a lot of the the trimmers that are

1391
00:49:01,579 --> 00:49:03,659
working, they definitely make more than the farms

1392
00:49:03,659 --> 00:49:04,159
make,

1393
00:49:04,619 --> 00:49:06,619
per unit. And they don't have any risk.

1394
00:49:06,619 --> 00:49:07,820
You know, it's on the day you know,

1395
00:49:07,820 --> 00:49:09,659
they'll make more in one day on that

1396
00:49:09,659 --> 00:49:12,144
unit that they trim than the farm makes

1397
00:49:12,144 --> 00:49:12,644
spending

1398
00:49:13,025 --> 00:49:14,944
twelve months to, you know, grow it, process

1399
00:49:14,944 --> 00:49:16,484
it, go through the cycles,

1400
00:49:16,944 --> 00:49:17,924
risk out. So,

1401
00:49:19,105 --> 00:49:21,184
you know, and they're they're treated really well.

1402
00:49:21,184 --> 00:49:22,944
Like the scenes I've seen, it's nothing like

1403
00:49:22,944 --> 00:49:24,144
it used to be where you have like

1404
00:49:24,144 --> 00:49:25,984
a room of 30, you know, trimmers going

1405
00:49:25,984 --> 00:49:27,559
anymore. It's just, you know, couple here, a

1406
00:49:27,559 --> 00:49:29,239
couple there type of thing. But I do

1407
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,800
acknowledge there's there's hot spots where there is

1408
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:32,699
still is, you know,

1409
00:49:33,159 --> 00:49:33,980
organized crime,

1410
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,639
elements and and that's going on. But, you

1411
00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:38,139
know,

1412
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:40,380
it lumpy

1413
00:49:41,144 --> 00:49:43,485
in the the legal farms into that conversation

1414
00:49:43,625 --> 00:49:45,804
is is always scary because,

1415
00:49:46,344 --> 00:49:49,244
there's hasn't been a good farm, bad farm,

1416
00:49:49,945 --> 00:49:51,864
separation in their eyes yet. So it's still

1417
00:49:51,864 --> 00:49:53,784
very much us against them even though we

1418
00:49:53,784 --> 00:49:57,150
are, you know, licensed and spending, you know,

1419
00:49:57,150 --> 00:49:59,550
God knows how much every year on on,

1420
00:49:59,550 --> 00:50:02,269
you know, appeasing all the different agencies and

1421
00:50:02,269 --> 00:50:04,829
the surprise inspections. Everything is very fine, hidden

1422
00:50:04,829 --> 00:50:06,610
and fine driven. And,

1423
00:50:07,469 --> 00:50:07,969
it's

1424
00:50:08,585 --> 00:50:10,424
there it's still very much is us against

1425
00:50:10,424 --> 00:50:11,724
them. Mhmm. You know?

1426
00:50:12,344 --> 00:50:14,585
They they're not looking to put legal farms

1427
00:50:14,585 --> 00:50:15,244
in prison

1428
00:50:15,864 --> 00:50:18,184
anymore, but they definitely are looking how to

1429
00:50:18,184 --> 00:50:20,364
fine us and and beef up their revenues.

1430
00:50:21,224 --> 00:50:23,964
When when the when the law enforcement

1431
00:50:25,109 --> 00:50:27,210
heated up and it was very

1432
00:50:27,989 --> 00:50:28,889
politically popular

1433
00:50:29,190 --> 00:50:29,690
to

1434
00:50:29,989 --> 00:50:32,630
to beat on the heritage growers in the

1435
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:33,130
triangle,

1436
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:37,269
did you go ahead and kinda follow the

1437
00:50:37,269 --> 00:50:38,170
trend with everybody

1438
00:50:38,469 --> 00:50:41,074
and go, like, indoor or underground

1439
00:50:41,695 --> 00:50:43,315
or one way or another,

1440
00:50:43,695 --> 00:50:45,295
not do as much,

1441
00:50:46,094 --> 00:50:49,054
outdoor because that seemed to be what law

1442
00:50:49,054 --> 00:50:51,155
enforcement was pushing you to have to do?

1443
00:50:51,695 --> 00:50:52,594
Yeah. We did.

1444
00:50:53,775 --> 00:50:56,070
And, again, stayed smaller than the neighbors.

1445
00:50:56,550 --> 00:50:58,010
You know, some guys really,

1446
00:50:58,390 --> 00:51:00,630
really did well. They went big and they

1447
00:51:00,630 --> 00:51:01,369
they went,

1448
00:51:02,230 --> 00:51:02,969
the monetary,

1449
00:51:04,710 --> 00:51:07,190
influence of that era was different. You started

1450
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:09,610
seeing some some rags to rich stories

1451
00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:11,050
and and

1452
00:51:11,514 --> 00:51:14,554
mountain millionaires being made in three months, six

1453
00:51:14,554 --> 00:51:16,655
months. It was it was pretty wild.

1454
00:51:17,114 --> 00:51:19,114
I never had that drive. It wasn't all

1455
00:51:19,114 --> 00:51:21,034
about just making a bunch of money,

1456
00:51:21,835 --> 00:51:23,914
but I was wanting to stay out of

1457
00:51:23,914 --> 00:51:25,375
jail. So, you know, we definitely,

1458
00:51:26,269 --> 00:51:28,050
did some smaller things on the side,

1459
00:51:28,589 --> 00:51:29,089
indoors.

1460
00:51:29,869 --> 00:51:30,369
And,

1461
00:51:31,069 --> 00:51:33,730
you never wanted to plant your outdoor plants

1462
00:51:34,349 --> 00:51:37,150
on a property that had an indoor because

1463
00:51:37,150 --> 00:51:38,909
if they came for your outdoor plants in

1464
00:51:38,909 --> 00:51:40,589
the summer, they could stumble into the tree

1465
00:51:40,589 --> 00:51:41,594
line and find your indoor.

1466
00:51:42,315 --> 00:51:43,054
And so,

1467
00:51:43,514 --> 00:51:44,795
you know, you had to keep those things

1468
00:51:44,795 --> 00:51:45,295
separate.

1469
00:51:47,755 --> 00:51:49,755
And, yeah, that I mean, that flourished out

1470
00:51:49,755 --> 00:51:51,994
of necessity. And honestly, that's kind of where

1471
00:51:51,994 --> 00:51:54,234
the the trim rooms really came from, was

1472
00:51:54,234 --> 00:51:55,695
from the indoor era because

1473
00:51:56,155 --> 00:51:58,930
indoor flower just from the bag appeal looked

1474
00:51:58,930 --> 00:52:01,489
so much better than outdoor. Outdoor always had

1475
00:52:01,489 --> 00:52:03,190
this kind of generic look to it,

1476
00:52:03,650 --> 00:52:05,410
especially with the genetics that were being grown

1477
00:52:05,410 --> 00:52:06,469
in the early nineties.

1478
00:52:07,250 --> 00:52:09,030
And then so when they went to indoor,

1479
00:52:10,335 --> 00:52:12,175
it was such a pretty flower. They wanted

1480
00:52:12,175 --> 00:52:14,275
them trimmed up tighter. And so

1481
00:52:14,574 --> 00:52:16,655
the trim room really began. The whole trim

1482
00:52:16,655 --> 00:52:18,655
scene began in from the indoor era.

1483
00:52:19,215 --> 00:52:21,375
There was tremors prior to that, but the

1484
00:52:21,375 --> 00:52:22,974
job that they did was, I mean, you

1485
00:52:22,974 --> 00:52:25,510
know, giant seed stems sticking through the bags

1486
00:52:25,510 --> 00:52:26,569
and crows everywhere.

1487
00:52:26,869 --> 00:52:28,550
And, you know, it was just basically, you

1488
00:52:28,550 --> 00:52:29,750
could put on a pair of gloves and

1489
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:31,929
just kinda, like, knock off the fan leaves,

1490
00:52:31,989 --> 00:52:33,929
and that was it. Mhmm. Mhmm.

1491
00:52:36,234 --> 00:52:38,635
Where where I am on Vashon Island, when

1492
00:52:38,635 --> 00:52:39,855
things went indoor,

1493
00:52:40,875 --> 00:52:43,295
it often also went literally underground.

1494
00:52:43,594 --> 00:52:46,074
And so people would, you know, backhoe out

1495
00:52:46,074 --> 00:52:47,295
a place for a container

1496
00:52:48,050 --> 00:52:49,489
and, you know, try to keep a lot

1497
00:52:49,489 --> 00:52:50,130
of that,

1498
00:52:50,690 --> 00:52:51,670
thermal signature,

1499
00:52:52,530 --> 00:52:53,989
muffled by putting it underground.

1500
00:52:54,609 --> 00:52:56,690
Was there a lot of that where you

1501
00:52:56,690 --> 00:52:58,289
are too, or or was it more like

1502
00:52:58,289 --> 00:52:59,409
you were talking before, like,

1503
00:52:59,969 --> 00:53:01,590
garages and things like that?

1504
00:53:02,195 --> 00:53:04,695
All the above. Yeah. Anything you can imagine?

1505
00:53:05,474 --> 00:53:06,534
Everything and anything.

1506
00:53:06,914 --> 00:53:08,755
I mean, there was so much side work,

1507
00:53:08,755 --> 00:53:10,534
you know, there for a long time. I'd

1508
00:53:10,835 --> 00:53:11,414
I would,

1509
00:53:12,034 --> 00:53:13,554
just as a side hustle, I go help

1510
00:53:13,554 --> 00:53:15,195
people set up their own rooms. You know,

1511
00:53:15,195 --> 00:53:16,650
I just get paid by the hour kinda

1512
00:53:17,130 --> 00:53:19,549
thing. But I'm talking, you know, yeah, absolutely.

1513
00:53:19,609 --> 00:53:20,109
Garages,

1514
00:53:20,809 --> 00:53:21,309
closets

1515
00:53:21,769 --> 00:53:22,269
to,

1516
00:53:22,809 --> 00:53:23,869
people that built

1517
00:53:24,170 --> 00:53:26,650
complete two story houses with swimming pool out

1518
00:53:26,650 --> 00:53:28,489
front and playsets and the whole and the

1519
00:53:28,569 --> 00:53:31,025
and everything inside was just a shell. You

1520
00:53:31,025 --> 00:53:32,465
know, it's just it was just for the

1521
00:53:32,465 --> 00:53:34,305
aerial appearance. So when they flew over, it

1522
00:53:34,305 --> 00:53:36,405
just looked like a a family residence,

1523
00:53:37,265 --> 00:53:39,905
to burying stuff, you know, buses and cargo

1524
00:53:39,905 --> 00:53:41,125
containers, like you said,

1525
00:53:41,825 --> 00:53:43,684
you know, bunkers being put down.

1526
00:53:43,985 --> 00:53:45,640
People people went out of their way to

1527
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,739
make sure be again, because there was

1528
00:53:48,199 --> 00:53:50,840
it warranted it, with with the price points

1529
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:52,679
at that at that time and being able

1530
00:53:52,679 --> 00:53:54,519
to harvest three times a year. You know,

1531
00:53:54,519 --> 00:53:56,199
most people didn't run. They're indoors in the

1532
00:53:56,199 --> 00:53:56,699
summer.

1533
00:53:57,335 --> 00:53:59,335
So you'd get, you know, three three good

1534
00:53:59,335 --> 00:54:00,454
runs and,

1535
00:54:01,014 --> 00:54:03,355
then maybe take the summer off. Mhmm.

1536
00:54:04,054 --> 00:54:05,815
So but, yeah, absolutely. It was all the

1537
00:54:05,815 --> 00:54:07,574
above. Everything I mean, as creative as you

1538
00:54:07,574 --> 00:54:09,434
can get with it, it it happened.

1539
00:54:10,054 --> 00:54:12,760
So So you mentioned that with the, with

1540
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:13,260
the

1541
00:54:13,839 --> 00:54:14,339
with

1542
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:15,579
the expansion

1543
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:16,780
of indoor

1544
00:54:17,159 --> 00:54:19,079
that there were a lot more trimmingants or

1545
00:54:19,079 --> 00:54:20,920
trim folks around, you know, like, trimmingrants around.

1546
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,320
And, you know, I recall from, you know,

1547
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:23,820
being

1548
00:54:24,485 --> 00:54:26,885
down in, you know, Garberville back in the

1549
00:54:26,885 --> 00:54:28,885
day, you know, seeing all of the people

1550
00:54:28,885 --> 00:54:30,965
from all over the world who'd be, like,

1551
00:54:30,965 --> 00:54:32,565
on the side of the street just looking

1552
00:54:32,565 --> 00:54:33,785
to get picked up and

1553
00:54:34,164 --> 00:54:35,844
go trim. Back in the day, is that,

1554
00:54:35,844 --> 00:54:37,065
like, 2010,

1555
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,639
when you're seeing World Travelers? Yeah. Uh-huh. Totally.

1556
00:54:40,639 --> 00:54:41,920
I mean, like, back in the day, I'm

1557
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:45,440
just saying, like, before prop 64. Right? Okay.

1558
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:46,719
Like, I mean, I know your back in

1559
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:48,320
the day goes for back further than my

1560
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:49,359
back in the day. I didn't know. When

1561
00:54:49,359 --> 00:54:50,799
you used to said World Travelers and that

1562
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:52,304
that's why I was clicking in on that

1563
00:54:52,385 --> 00:54:53,505
time frame because it was kind of a

1564
00:54:53,505 --> 00:54:55,664
progression of the trim scene too. So so

1565
00:54:55,664 --> 00:54:57,585
this is what I'm this is actually exactly

1566
00:54:57,585 --> 00:54:59,505
what I'm digging for is that interesting answer.

1567
00:54:59,505 --> 00:55:00,724
I'm curious to hear

1568
00:55:01,184 --> 00:55:01,844
how you've,

1569
00:55:03,344 --> 00:55:05,824
how the the trimmingrins showing up kind of

1570
00:55:05,824 --> 00:55:07,905
evolved. And then I'm assuming that since I

1571
00:55:07,905 --> 00:55:10,199
don't see them anymore, that scene was kind

1572
00:55:10,199 --> 00:55:11,500
of, like, disappeared,

1573
00:55:12,519 --> 00:55:14,059
with prop 64.

1574
00:55:14,679 --> 00:55:16,039
And we don't have to go into this

1575
00:55:16,039 --> 00:55:17,880
too deeply, but, you know, it was it

1576
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,119
was a significant part of the culture to

1577
00:55:20,119 --> 00:55:22,519
all those people down in in Garberville and

1578
00:55:22,519 --> 00:55:24,284
Redway in front of the grocery store and

1579
00:55:24,284 --> 00:55:25,724
stuff. So so I would just like to

1580
00:55:25,724 --> 00:55:28,204
hear, like, an insider's description of what it

1581
00:55:28,204 --> 00:55:29,565
was like to have them there and then

1582
00:55:29,565 --> 00:55:30,625
have them not there.

1583
00:55:31,804 --> 00:55:33,425
So when trimming first started,

1584
00:55:34,364 --> 00:55:36,065
you know, it was definitely

1585
00:55:36,364 --> 00:55:38,769
family or close, close friends. They had to

1586
00:55:38,769 --> 00:55:40,610
be able to keep their mouth shut. And,

1587
00:55:40,610 --> 00:55:43,010
you know, it was, you know, when when

1588
00:55:43,010 --> 00:55:44,849
pounds were selling for 5,000 a pound, it

1589
00:55:44,849 --> 00:55:47,490
was $200 to the trimmer to trim your

1590
00:55:47,490 --> 00:55:47,990
flower.

1591
00:55:48,450 --> 00:55:48,950
And,

1592
00:55:50,905 --> 00:55:53,065
you know, and, you know, you fast forward

1593
00:55:53,065 --> 00:55:54,825
up to about, you know, 2020, they were

1594
00:55:54,825 --> 00:55:56,825
still getting close to that when when pounds

1595
00:55:56,825 --> 00:55:58,664
had dropped down to like the $1,100

1596
00:55:58,664 --> 00:56:00,105
mark. And, you know, now now where they're

1597
00:56:00,105 --> 00:56:01,465
at, you know, there's got to be an

1598
00:56:01,465 --> 00:56:04,340
adjustment in trim price. But the trimmers held

1599
00:56:04,340 --> 00:56:06,260
their their rates for a long time. But

1600
00:56:06,260 --> 00:56:08,660
it went from friends and family, very close

1601
00:56:08,660 --> 00:56:09,559
friends and family,

1602
00:56:10,820 --> 00:56:11,320
to

1603
00:56:11,860 --> 00:56:13,539
you started kind of seeing like, you know,

1604
00:56:13,539 --> 00:56:16,500
cats coming over from Colorado or Vermont and

1605
00:56:16,500 --> 00:56:17,800
taking flower home.

1606
00:56:18,155 --> 00:56:20,074
And then they realized, hey, you know, why

1607
00:56:20,074 --> 00:56:21,675
don't we hang out a little bit? And

1608
00:56:21,675 --> 00:56:23,755
some of them would stay and then and

1609
00:56:23,755 --> 00:56:25,534
start trimming. So then you started getting,

1610
00:56:26,394 --> 00:56:28,155
you know, kind of the kind of the

1611
00:56:28,155 --> 00:56:28,655
heavier

1612
00:56:29,594 --> 00:56:30,574
groups from

1613
00:56:30,954 --> 00:56:31,454
Colorado

1614
00:56:31,994 --> 00:56:33,614
or, you know, out east,

1615
00:56:34,369 --> 00:56:36,769
you know, local girls, maybe maybe you didn't

1616
00:56:36,769 --> 00:56:38,210
know them as well, but they were, you

1617
00:56:38,210 --> 00:56:40,050
know, pass on from a friend with good

1618
00:56:40,050 --> 00:56:42,130
recommendations. There'd be a lot of local girls

1619
00:56:42,130 --> 00:56:42,949
in the scene.

1620
00:56:44,610 --> 00:56:46,130
You know, for the most part, back then,

1621
00:56:46,130 --> 00:56:47,269
it was largely,

1622
00:56:48,474 --> 00:56:50,655
the ladies would would handle the processing.

1623
00:56:52,155 --> 00:56:52,894
And then

1624
00:56:53,994 --> 00:56:56,155
and then we started kind of seeing, okay,

1625
00:56:56,155 --> 00:56:58,875
well, now there's Argentinians and Chileans and, you

1626
00:56:58,875 --> 00:57:01,114
know, Spaniards and things like that coming through.

1627
00:57:01,114 --> 00:57:03,570
So we got this real international flavor, which

1628
00:57:03,969 --> 00:57:06,050
which was actually really cool because it just,

1629
00:57:06,610 --> 00:57:08,849
I love backpacking around the world and I

1630
00:57:08,849 --> 00:57:10,930
love diving into cultures. So the cultures were

1631
00:57:10,930 --> 00:57:13,829
coming here and, you know, just kind of,

1632
00:57:14,130 --> 00:57:14,789
you know,

1633
00:57:15,170 --> 00:57:17,664
you know, from their cuisine to just their

1634
00:57:17,664 --> 00:57:19,425
stories and, you know, all the different places

1635
00:57:19,425 --> 00:57:20,964
they're from. And then

1636
00:57:21,984 --> 00:57:24,224
then as the market started shifting and taking

1637
00:57:24,224 --> 00:57:24,885
a downturn,

1638
00:57:25,344 --> 00:57:27,184
it started kind of pricing those people out

1639
00:57:27,184 --> 00:57:29,780
because if you're making $200 a pound, it's

1640
00:57:29,780 --> 00:57:31,460
really hard to take a 100 a pound.

1641
00:57:31,460 --> 00:57:33,460
Yeah. You know, it's really hard to tell

1642
00:57:33,460 --> 00:57:34,820
somebody that you're doing a great job, but

1643
00:57:34,820 --> 00:57:36,019
we need to cut your pay in half,

1644
00:57:36,019 --> 00:57:39,219
which is, you know, now it's 75%

1645
00:57:39,219 --> 00:57:40,659
down from where it used to be. You

1646
00:57:40,659 --> 00:57:42,579
know, I think trimmers are, you know, 50

1647
00:57:42,579 --> 00:57:43,875
to 75 right now,

1648
00:57:44,835 --> 00:57:45,335
and

1649
00:57:45,795 --> 00:57:48,135
they're far and few between. But it's it's,

1650
00:57:51,074 --> 00:57:53,554
it's definitely progressed in in the sense of

1651
00:57:53,554 --> 00:57:55,474
it's, you know, you can't you can't hire

1652
00:57:55,474 --> 00:57:57,789
your family for 75 a time anymore. They

1653
00:57:57,789 --> 00:57:59,089
won't show up. You know,

1654
00:58:00,349 --> 00:58:01,710
a lot of people are going to machine

1655
00:58:01,710 --> 00:58:04,109
machine trimming, which we don't want to do.

1656
00:58:04,109 --> 00:58:05,409
I'd rather hand trim,

1657
00:58:05,789 --> 00:58:08,109
you know, what we're doing. Machine trimming just

1658
00:58:08,109 --> 00:58:08,609
to,

1659
00:58:09,914 --> 00:58:11,994
you know, it beats on the flowers a

1660
00:58:11,994 --> 00:58:12,474
little bit.

1661
00:58:13,114 --> 00:58:16,074
And it's just if you're working and putting

1662
00:58:16,074 --> 00:58:17,675
your love and heart into a product, you

1663
00:58:17,675 --> 00:58:19,195
just don't want to see it get tumbled

1664
00:58:19,195 --> 00:58:20,335
around and pulled apart

1665
00:58:20,835 --> 00:58:21,335
and

1666
00:58:21,835 --> 00:58:22,735
shaved unnecessarily

1667
00:58:23,035 --> 00:58:25,539
or trichomes, you know, knocked off those type

1668
00:58:25,539 --> 00:58:26,519
of things. So,

1669
00:58:28,019 --> 00:58:30,659
but it's it, you know, it has then

1670
00:58:30,659 --> 00:58:32,920
the trim the trim scene has has

1671
00:58:33,380 --> 00:58:33,880
definitely

1672
00:58:35,059 --> 00:58:37,125
dropped off. You know, there used to be

1673
00:58:37,364 --> 00:58:39,364
sometimes an hour and a half line just

1674
00:58:39,364 --> 00:58:41,304
to get gas at the local

1675
00:58:41,844 --> 00:58:43,925
gas station out here. And, you know, you

1676
00:58:43,925 --> 00:58:46,324
never see that anymore. Mhmm. There's never lines

1677
00:58:46,324 --> 00:58:48,184
at the at the cashiers anymore.

1678
00:58:49,125 --> 00:58:51,284
But the trickle down economics too for Humboldt

1679
00:58:51,284 --> 00:58:53,769
County, you know, since since legalization and the

1680
00:58:53,769 --> 00:58:54,750
crash of everything,

1681
00:58:56,010 --> 00:58:58,750
I think Humboldt County is down, like, 65%

1682
00:58:58,889 --> 00:59:01,849
in in trickle down taxable revenues just across

1683
00:59:01,849 --> 00:59:04,109
the board. And, I mean, stores, restaurants,

1684
00:59:04,985 --> 00:59:07,465
there's a lot of stuff getting, you know,

1685
00:59:07,465 --> 00:59:09,385
plywood put on the windows right now. It's

1686
00:59:09,385 --> 00:59:10,985
not just, you know And when I spent

1687
00:59:10,985 --> 00:59:13,144
time down there, you see the impact at,

1688
00:59:13,144 --> 00:59:13,304
like,

1689
00:59:14,105 --> 00:59:15,965
the school bake sale

1690
00:59:16,425 --> 00:59:19,130
and at at the the the, the the

1691
00:59:19,130 --> 00:59:19,769
the the making

1692
00:59:20,089 --> 00:59:23,049
fundraising for the local fire department. Like, all

1693
00:59:23,049 --> 00:59:25,130
of that stuff used to be taken care

1694
00:59:25,130 --> 00:59:26,269
of by Hill money.

1695
00:59:26,569 --> 00:59:28,329
And but that Hill money is not there

1696
00:59:28,329 --> 00:59:31,034
anymore, and I I feel the difference when

1697
00:59:31,034 --> 00:59:33,195
I go to visit my people down there.

1698
00:59:33,195 --> 00:59:35,114
I'm like, wow. It doesn't feel like it

1699
00:59:35,114 --> 00:59:37,434
used to. And, you know, of course, and

1700
00:59:37,434 --> 00:59:39,434
then friends die and stuff. And that's all

1701
00:59:39,434 --> 00:59:42,155
just, like, really sad to see how that

1702
00:59:42,155 --> 00:59:42,655
happens.

1703
00:59:44,340 --> 00:59:46,099
One of the things that I always loved

1704
00:59:46,099 --> 00:59:49,059
about, you know, visiting termigrants, especially if they

1705
00:59:49,059 --> 00:59:50,660
were you know, it was a farm who

1706
00:59:50,660 --> 00:59:52,980
that was bringing not bringing in people, but

1707
00:59:52,980 --> 00:59:55,079
they they had hired people from elsewhere

1708
00:59:55,539 --> 00:59:57,554
is you mentioned the food. Oh my god,

1709
00:59:57,635 --> 00:59:59,875
man. The you know, you you get yourself

1710
00:59:59,875 --> 01:00:00,375
some,

1711
01:00:00,914 --> 01:00:01,414
Hmong

1712
01:00:01,875 --> 01:00:04,114
food and or or this or that. And,

1713
01:00:04,114 --> 01:00:06,755
you know, these these these these ladies, like,

1714
01:00:06,755 --> 01:00:08,114
they you know, I don't know. I don't

1715
01:00:08,114 --> 01:00:09,234
even know how they get there, but there's,

1716
01:00:09,234 --> 01:00:11,394
like, somebody's grandma's there, and she's trimming like

1717
01:00:11,394 --> 01:00:13,320
a master, and she's also whipping out insane

1718
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,320
lunch. And I'm, like, I'm so grateful to,

1719
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:16,380
like, just be here.

1720
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,160
Yeah. And and the mallong are such a

1721
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:19,960
giving culture.

1722
01:00:20,599 --> 01:00:23,260
They're so family oriented, and they just

1723
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,280
they they want to please you. And it's,

1724
01:00:26,644 --> 01:00:28,724
you know, they're they're they're an amazing culture,

1725
01:00:28,724 --> 01:00:31,385
and their food is amazing. Yeah. 100%.

1726
01:00:32,644 --> 01:00:34,565
Absolutely. I can see And on the Go

1727
01:00:34,565 --> 01:00:36,484
ahead. Oh, I'm not gonna say, yeah, I'm

1728
01:00:36,484 --> 01:00:37,764
on the board of directors out here with

1729
01:00:37,764 --> 01:00:40,005
our fire departments, a volunteer fire department. And,

1730
01:00:40,885 --> 01:00:41,930
you know, we've had to shut a few

1731
01:00:41,930 --> 01:00:44,010
fundraisers down just because of the lack of

1732
01:00:44,010 --> 01:00:44,510
participation.

1733
01:00:44,970 --> 01:00:46,650
So you you nailed it. I mean, this,

1734
01:00:46,650 --> 01:00:49,230
you know, schools, fire departments, everything,

1735
01:00:49,690 --> 01:00:52,250
you know, really, really depended on that extra

1736
01:00:52,250 --> 01:00:54,730
cash flow coming in. And it's it's just

1737
01:00:54,730 --> 01:00:55,364
not here.

1738
01:00:56,085 --> 01:00:57,605
I did not realize that you were helping

1739
01:00:57,605 --> 01:00:59,605
them, like, you were a part of their

1740
01:00:59,605 --> 01:01:02,824
fundraising because, you know, I have made donations

1741
01:01:03,125 --> 01:01:05,844
to your local fire department, but I didn't

1742
01:01:05,844 --> 01:01:07,684
even really think about them existing. I was

1743
01:01:07,684 --> 01:01:08,985
involved with your,

1744
01:01:09,579 --> 01:01:12,139
you know, you selling cool stuff and giving

1745
01:01:12,139 --> 01:01:14,619
the money to the fire department, which would,

1746
01:01:14,619 --> 01:01:16,780
like, suddenly put your fire department on my

1747
01:01:16,780 --> 01:01:18,219
map, you know. And I'm, like, I'm not

1748
01:01:18,219 --> 01:01:18,960
even local.

1749
01:01:20,059 --> 01:01:22,059
Right. Right. And, you know, and and that

1750
01:01:22,059 --> 01:01:23,260
was the kind of the thing with our

1751
01:01:23,260 --> 01:01:23,760
merchandise,

1752
01:01:24,380 --> 01:01:24,880
is

1753
01:01:25,414 --> 01:01:26,074
we never

1754
01:01:26,614 --> 01:01:28,454
wanted to sell it for profit. We'd rather,

1755
01:01:28,454 --> 01:01:30,695
you know, send it out with the just

1756
01:01:30,695 --> 01:01:31,514
good intentions

1757
01:01:31,815 --> 01:01:32,315
and,

1758
01:01:32,934 --> 01:01:35,414
you know, make things that were comfortable and

1759
01:01:35,414 --> 01:01:36,934
sustainable. We liked a lot of hemp and

1760
01:01:36,934 --> 01:01:39,030
organic cottons and things like that. And just

1761
01:01:39,030 --> 01:01:41,190
we wanted people to to wear things and

1762
01:01:41,190 --> 01:01:42,550
feel good about them and have a story

1763
01:01:42,550 --> 01:01:44,309
behind it. So a lot of times when

1764
01:01:44,309 --> 01:01:45,670
people ask, hey, how do I buy a

1765
01:01:45,670 --> 01:01:47,829
hoodie or whatever? I'm just like, donate to

1766
01:01:47,829 --> 01:01:49,769
something that you care about in your community

1767
01:01:50,150 --> 01:01:51,670
and we'll send you something. That way, it

1768
01:01:51,670 --> 01:01:54,085
just kind of starts that thought thought process

1769
01:01:54,224 --> 01:01:54,724
of

1770
01:01:55,105 --> 01:01:56,244
community involvement,

1771
01:01:57,585 --> 01:02:00,404
sparking something that that interests them personally

1772
01:02:00,944 --> 01:02:01,605
and then

1773
01:02:02,385 --> 01:02:04,625
having them take action on that and and

1774
01:02:04,625 --> 01:02:06,659
donate whatever it is. It could be $20

1775
01:02:06,659 --> 01:02:08,260
and we'll send you, you know, a $50

1776
01:02:08,260 --> 01:02:10,339
hoodie. Like, it's we just that was that

1777
01:02:10,339 --> 01:02:11,159
was the mindset.

1778
01:02:11,859 --> 01:02:12,359
And,

1779
01:02:13,139 --> 01:02:14,119
and, you know,

1780
01:02:14,500 --> 01:02:16,199
we still try to keep that up today.

1781
01:02:16,579 --> 01:02:18,500
You know, the last the last two years

1782
01:02:18,500 --> 01:02:19,239
with with

1783
01:02:19,940 --> 01:02:21,460
we have a lot of back stock still

1784
01:02:21,460 --> 01:02:22,655
boxed up. But with,

1785
01:02:23,035 --> 01:02:24,815
the downturn with the industry,

1786
01:02:25,195 --> 01:02:27,434
like, our focus has just been on survival

1787
01:02:27,434 --> 01:02:28,954
and just trying to sharpen the pencil and

1788
01:02:28,954 --> 01:02:31,275
focus on the actual cultivation and making this

1789
01:02:31,275 --> 01:02:33,515
thing work. So we haven't been real active

1790
01:02:33,515 --> 01:02:35,114
on sending out gear, and we still get

1791
01:02:35,114 --> 01:02:36,954
a lot of requests. And that's something we

1792
01:02:36,954 --> 01:02:38,360
need to get back into because it's a

1793
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:40,360
feel good thing. And it's, you know, it's

1794
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:40,860
it's

1795
01:02:41,239 --> 01:02:44,199
it sparks that positivity in in in people's

1796
01:02:44,199 --> 01:02:46,519
minds of, like, oh, you know, there there's

1797
01:02:46,519 --> 01:02:48,680
there's some light going on here. Yeah. Well,

1798
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:51,344
it certainly got my attention. I mean, reading

1799
01:02:51,344 --> 01:02:52,784
all the different ways that you put that

1800
01:02:52,784 --> 01:02:55,925
and hearing you describe it, it, you know,

1801
01:02:55,984 --> 01:02:57,364
you exhibit the values

1802
01:02:58,065 --> 01:02:59,045
that we

1803
01:02:59,425 --> 01:03:01,025
I think that those of us who are,

1804
01:03:01,025 --> 01:03:04,085
you know, are are consumers of your flower,

1805
01:03:04,144 --> 01:03:06,510
we we like to know that we're smoking

1806
01:03:06,510 --> 01:03:07,010
good

1807
01:03:07,550 --> 01:03:08,050
regenerative

1808
01:03:08,430 --> 01:03:10,510
outdoor that comes from heart. And and, you

1809
01:03:10,510 --> 01:03:12,430
know, that kind of, you know, make a

1810
01:03:12,430 --> 01:03:14,430
donation to the thing you care about, and

1811
01:03:14,430 --> 01:03:16,505
we'll send you out dope gear. You know,

1812
01:03:16,505 --> 01:03:17,505
that that's a

1813
01:03:18,065 --> 01:03:20,644
big example of that mentality. Also,

1814
01:03:21,664 --> 01:03:24,784
you have really, really good gear, man. Like

1815
01:03:24,784 --> 01:03:26,464
you guys always Thank you. You guys always

1816
01:03:26,464 --> 01:03:28,625
chose the best stuff. Your your hats are

1817
01:03:28,625 --> 01:03:30,644
really nice. Your shirts are comfortable.

1818
01:03:31,559 --> 01:03:32,700
You know, like,

1819
01:03:33,079 --> 01:03:35,000
you sent me a a a nice box

1820
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:37,000
a few years ago with stuff. And and

1821
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:38,599
sure, you know, the the stuff that I

1822
01:03:38,599 --> 01:03:40,360
liked and fit me, I wore, but that

1823
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:43,079
stuff, like, trickled down to, like, my my

1824
01:03:43,079 --> 01:03:45,045
team and my girl and, like, you know,

1825
01:03:45,045 --> 01:03:47,445
everybody. Everybody's like, we love this gear, and

1826
01:03:47,445 --> 01:03:49,204
it's and it's funny to see the pictures

1827
01:03:49,204 --> 01:03:51,204
that that stuff ends up in be just

1828
01:03:51,204 --> 01:03:52,405
because people love to wear it. I get

1829
01:03:52,484 --> 01:03:54,485
you know, people give me so many shirts

1830
01:03:54,485 --> 01:03:56,239
because of the show, but most of them

1831
01:03:56,239 --> 01:03:58,420
are on, like, you know, like, crappy materials

1832
01:03:58,559 --> 01:04:00,719
or or that new synthetic fit, you know,

1833
01:04:00,719 --> 01:04:02,960
stuff. Yeah. And I don't really wanna wear

1834
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:04,719
most of that stuff, but your stuff, it's

1835
01:04:04,719 --> 01:04:06,260
like, oh, butter. You know?

1836
01:04:07,039 --> 01:04:08,799
Thank you. Thank you. And now, honestly, that's

1837
01:04:08,799 --> 01:04:10,480
really what we're we are going for. We

1838
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:12,014
just I I love wearing hoodies, and I

1839
01:04:12,014 --> 01:04:13,614
love wearing comfortable shirts. And if I open

1840
01:04:13,614 --> 01:04:15,855
my closet and I see something that fits

1841
01:04:15,855 --> 01:04:18,355
wrong or just feels thin or feels cheap,

1842
01:04:18,494 --> 01:04:20,094
I'll skip over it. It stays hanging in

1843
01:04:20,094 --> 01:04:21,375
my closet, but I'll skip over it, and

1844
01:04:21,375 --> 01:04:22,815
I'll grab something that I wore two days

1845
01:04:22,815 --> 01:04:24,574
ago or something, you know, that just feels

1846
01:04:24,574 --> 01:04:26,400
good. You know, I wanna be comfortable. And

1847
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:27,760
if if people are comfortable and if they'll

1848
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:28,579
wear it and,

1849
01:04:29,199 --> 01:04:30,960
you know, if the logo's out there, at

1850
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:32,800
least it's a conversation starter, and and they

1851
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:34,559
could say, oh, you know you know, back

1852
01:04:34,559 --> 01:04:36,639
to the charity thing or whatever. But that

1853
01:04:36,719 --> 01:04:38,559
that's exactly what I I I love hearing

1854
01:04:38,559 --> 01:04:40,265
that. So thank you because that's that was

1855
01:04:40,265 --> 01:04:41,625
what we were going for. We just wanted

1856
01:04:41,625 --> 01:04:43,144
comfort. We wanted people to feel good in

1857
01:04:43,144 --> 01:04:45,085
it. Nice. Well, you you hit it.

1858
01:04:45,545 --> 01:04:47,305
So I wanna go back to the topic

1859
01:04:47,305 --> 01:04:49,865
of, the community of growers and growers helping

1860
01:04:49,865 --> 01:04:51,005
growers because

1861
01:04:51,380 --> 01:04:52,519
I can imagine

1862
01:04:52,900 --> 01:04:53,400
that,

1863
01:04:54,180 --> 01:04:55,400
you know, not only,

1864
01:04:57,140 --> 01:04:58,440
are Hill cultivators

1865
01:04:59,140 --> 01:04:59,380
a

1866
01:05:00,900 --> 01:05:02,420
let's see. How do I wanna say this?

1867
01:05:02,420 --> 01:05:04,900
Close knit because you all have got shared

1868
01:05:04,900 --> 01:05:05,864
interest and risks.

1869
01:05:06,664 --> 01:05:07,485
But also,

1870
01:05:07,945 --> 01:05:09,545
you have described a lot back in the

1871
01:05:09,545 --> 01:05:11,864
day how you really couldn't talk game with

1872
01:05:11,864 --> 01:05:14,905
people really. But now, like, there's there's the

1873
01:05:14,905 --> 01:05:16,664
Internet. So it's easier for you to talk

1874
01:05:16,664 --> 01:05:19,065
to each other from your farm without leaving.

1875
01:05:19,065 --> 01:05:21,570
There's signals so that our privacy can be

1876
01:05:21,730 --> 01:05:22,230
respected.

1877
01:05:22,610 --> 01:05:23,910
I can imagine that

1878
01:05:24,530 --> 01:05:27,250
this has changed for, I don't know, probably

1879
01:05:27,250 --> 01:05:28,309
good and less,

1880
01:05:29,410 --> 01:05:32,610
the relationship between individual farmers. What are your

1881
01:05:32,610 --> 01:05:33,110
thoughts?

1882
01:05:34,144 --> 01:05:35,525
I would say by

1883
01:05:35,984 --> 01:05:38,385
far more pros than cons. Mhmm.

1884
01:05:39,105 --> 01:05:42,324
I've met some really great like minded individuals

1885
01:05:42,864 --> 01:05:43,264
and,

1886
01:05:43,824 --> 01:05:45,599
that I would have never bumped into without,

1887
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:47,059
you know, social media,

1888
01:05:48,559 --> 01:05:51,280
you know, sharing, you know, genetics or growing

1889
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:51,780
practices

1890
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:55,200
or events or, you know, just, you know,

1891
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:55,700
troubleshooting,

1892
01:05:56,239 --> 01:05:58,260
you know, industry issues or whatever.

1893
01:05:58,800 --> 01:05:59,474
But there's

1894
01:05:59,954 --> 01:06:02,675
there seems to be, like, you know, again,

1895
01:06:02,675 --> 01:06:04,835
you know, birds of a feather flock together.

1896
01:06:04,835 --> 01:06:06,454
You you recognize who's

1897
01:06:06,835 --> 01:06:08,835
on the same wavelength even if they're two

1898
01:06:08,835 --> 01:06:10,535
hours away or three hours away.

1899
01:06:11,474 --> 01:06:11,635
And

1900
01:06:13,329 --> 01:06:15,250
Hey, Nick. Sorry about that. I guess that's

1901
01:06:15,250 --> 01:06:17,730
what happens when, I am on a remote

1902
01:06:17,730 --> 01:06:19,969
island and then trying to connect with you

1903
01:06:19,969 --> 01:06:21,429
who's on a remote mountain.

1904
01:06:21,730 --> 01:06:23,989
We're bound to lose the signal sometimes. So

1905
01:06:24,050 --> 01:06:26,355
so we were we were talking about the

1906
01:06:26,355 --> 01:06:26,855
impact,

1907
01:06:27,394 --> 01:06:29,315
good and bad, that the Internet coming to

1908
01:06:29,315 --> 01:06:31,315
the mountain has had on the farms. Would

1909
01:06:31,315 --> 01:06:32,914
you would you continue on where you left

1910
01:06:32,914 --> 01:06:33,414
off?

1911
01:06:34,114 --> 01:06:35,014
Yeah. You know,

1912
01:06:35,635 --> 01:06:37,155
I I I like I said, it's it's

1913
01:06:37,155 --> 01:06:39,795
definitely more pros than cons. And, you know,

1914
01:06:39,795 --> 01:06:41,815
it's it's connected me with

1915
01:06:42,170 --> 01:06:44,190
other like minded farmers that,

1916
01:06:44,650 --> 01:06:45,869
carry the same ethos.

1917
01:06:46,250 --> 01:06:48,170
They have the same direction. They have the

1918
01:06:48,170 --> 01:06:49,230
same values.

1919
01:06:50,410 --> 01:06:52,730
They were here prior. They were legacy. They

1920
01:06:52,730 --> 01:06:55,894
wanna be here, you know, post legalization, whatever

1921
01:06:56,035 --> 01:06:57,795
form that takes. You know, they want they

1922
01:06:57,795 --> 01:06:58,855
want this to be,

1923
01:06:59,315 --> 01:07:01,735
something they can pass down generally generationally.

1924
01:07:02,195 --> 01:07:02,695
And,

1925
01:07:03,315 --> 01:07:05,715
you know, it's been it's been amazing connecting

1926
01:07:05,715 --> 01:07:07,795
with these people because, you know, we can

1927
01:07:07,795 --> 01:07:08,219
talk

1928
01:07:08,619 --> 01:07:11,099
genetics, we can share genetics, we can share

1929
01:07:11,099 --> 01:07:11,599
methodologies.

1930
01:07:13,179 --> 01:07:15,099
You know, we can, you know, line out

1931
01:07:15,099 --> 01:07:17,280
events where we can get together and participate

1932
01:07:17,420 --> 01:07:18,719
and celebrate the plant.

1933
01:07:19,980 --> 01:07:20,480
And,

1934
01:07:20,855 --> 01:07:22,394
you know, also, you know,

1935
01:07:22,934 --> 01:07:24,855
most most of these farmers, we don't have

1936
01:07:24,855 --> 01:07:27,014
MBAs, you know, so there's there's a business

1937
01:07:27,014 --> 01:07:28,614
aspect to it, and we're all kind of

1938
01:07:28,614 --> 01:07:31,014
learning as we go. We're all losing money.

1939
01:07:31,014 --> 01:07:32,534
We try not to lose money the same

1940
01:07:32,534 --> 01:07:34,610
way twice. And, you know, we're just kind

1941
01:07:34,610 --> 01:07:36,530
of rolling with it and and progressing so

1942
01:07:36,530 --> 01:07:38,710
we can ask business questions, marketing questions,

1943
01:07:39,410 --> 01:07:41,650
you know, you know, how things are going

1944
01:07:41,650 --> 01:07:43,250
with sales and those type of deals. And

1945
01:07:43,329 --> 01:07:44,469
but also,

1946
01:07:46,105 --> 01:07:48,184
you know, a big part of it is

1947
01:07:48,184 --> 01:07:49,005
it's it's,

1948
01:07:51,224 --> 01:07:51,805
you know,

1949
01:07:52,825 --> 01:07:54,905
the darker side of where the industries kind

1950
01:07:54,905 --> 01:07:55,885
of went to

1951
01:07:56,184 --> 01:07:58,744
is we need community to rally around each

1952
01:07:58,744 --> 01:07:59,565
other because

1953
01:08:00,079 --> 01:08:02,800
there is such a large fall off happening

1954
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:06,480
right now. Yeah. In, in legal farms. And

1955
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:09,139
we're losing our culture. We're losing our community.

1956
01:08:10,719 --> 01:08:12,480
You know, we need we need to talk

1957
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:14,764
to each other just for mental health therapy.

1958
01:08:15,224 --> 01:08:17,385
And we had a we had a neighbor

1959
01:08:17,385 --> 01:08:19,864
commit suicide on our main road. You know,

1960
01:08:19,864 --> 01:08:22,904
there's families that are losing their generational farms

1961
01:08:22,904 --> 01:08:25,319
that maybe their grandparents or their parents had.

1962
01:08:26,279 --> 01:08:29,239
You know, there's divorces happening. There's people having

1963
01:08:29,239 --> 01:08:30,939
to restart life at 50

1964
01:08:31,319 --> 01:08:33,239
and go get a nine to five at,

1965
01:08:33,239 --> 01:08:35,239
you know, at the bottom bottom rung of

1966
01:08:35,239 --> 01:08:35,819
the ladder.

1967
01:08:36,279 --> 01:08:38,119
And there's a lot of heavy, heavy mental

1968
01:08:38,119 --> 01:08:40,219
stuff happening that we never saw coming.

1969
01:08:40,685 --> 01:08:42,284
And so being able just to kind of

1970
01:08:42,284 --> 01:08:42,784
like

1971
01:08:43,324 --> 01:08:44,845
be a crutch for each other and help

1972
01:08:44,845 --> 01:08:46,605
each other through some of these tough times

1973
01:08:46,605 --> 01:08:47,824
because it's not just

1974
01:08:48,284 --> 01:08:49,965
not just the industry and the finances, but

1975
01:08:49,965 --> 01:08:52,445
there's a there's a mental weight happening. And

1976
01:08:52,445 --> 01:08:54,369
you can feel those that energy in the

1977
01:08:54,369 --> 01:08:56,869
air in town. It's just there's a depression

1978
01:08:56,930 --> 01:08:57,989
happening right now,

1979
01:08:58,289 --> 01:09:01,010
and and, it's hard. And nobody has a

1980
01:09:01,010 --> 01:09:02,310
nobody has the

1981
01:09:02,770 --> 01:09:04,770
the, you know, the magic answer of how

1982
01:09:04,770 --> 01:09:06,369
we're gonna get through this. You know, this

1983
01:09:06,369 --> 01:09:08,364
is a very much a day to day

1984
01:09:08,364 --> 01:09:09,324
fight. And,

1985
01:09:09,885 --> 01:09:11,725
you know, everybody's doing the best they can,

1986
01:09:11,725 --> 01:09:13,885
but it just going back to the, you

1987
01:09:13,885 --> 01:09:14,385
know,

1988
01:09:15,085 --> 01:09:17,005
like, social media and stuff, being able to

1989
01:09:17,005 --> 01:09:18,305
communicate so freely,

1990
01:09:19,244 --> 01:09:21,164
you know, across the county, across the state,

1991
01:09:21,164 --> 01:09:22,465
across the country,

1992
01:09:23,159 --> 01:09:24,920
with with other people that are going through

1993
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:28,119
it and, just, you know, trying trying to

1994
01:09:28,119 --> 01:09:30,060
to find the positive outlet to this.

1995
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:33,320
Isn't the the the Internet such a double

1996
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:35,534
sided sword. Right? Because it it helps you

1997
01:09:35,534 --> 01:09:37,614
stay connected with the other farms and your

1998
01:09:37,614 --> 01:09:39,954
friends. It helps you get, you know, education

1999
01:09:40,015 --> 01:09:41,694
on how to do this or that or

2000
01:09:41,694 --> 01:09:43,234
wire this or that or whatever.

2001
01:09:43,694 --> 01:09:45,295
But, also, it's put,

2002
01:09:46,015 --> 01:09:48,094
the regenerative oh, and you mentioned none of

2003
01:09:48,094 --> 01:09:49,074
you guys have MBAs.

2004
01:09:49,454 --> 01:09:51,579
I I have yet to smoke great weed

2005
01:09:51,579 --> 01:09:54,140
from a company that's run by MBAs. You

2006
01:09:54,140 --> 01:09:56,320
know? And so we don't we don't necessarily

2007
01:09:56,380 --> 01:09:58,220
want that attribute in you. We want you

2008
01:09:58,220 --> 01:10:00,000
to be more connected to the land.

2009
01:10:00,300 --> 01:10:00,780
But,

2010
01:10:02,465 --> 01:10:04,085
shoot. Where was I going with that?

2011
01:10:04,465 --> 01:10:06,784
Oh, yeah. And and so the other side

2012
01:10:06,784 --> 01:10:08,144
of it, though, is that,

2013
01:10:08,784 --> 01:10:11,664
it isn't like having to do your own

2014
01:10:11,664 --> 01:10:15,600
marketing and running social media, like like, a

2015
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:17,439
a new challenge where you can't just be

2016
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:18,500
a farmer anymore.

2017
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:21,039
You need to be having your, you know,

2018
01:10:21,039 --> 01:10:23,360
your your five posts a week, and you

2019
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:25,199
not need to, like, try to not lose

2020
01:10:25,199 --> 01:10:27,520
your profile. It's like it's like it's like,

2021
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:29,039
damn. Can I just, like, go back to

2022
01:10:29,039 --> 01:10:30,100
growing my plant?

2023
01:10:31,175 --> 01:10:33,675
Right. I mean, I don't have a regimented

2024
01:10:33,895 --> 01:10:36,375
format on how to run the social media.

2025
01:10:36,375 --> 01:10:38,155
I I I keep it very organic,

2026
01:10:39,494 --> 01:10:41,895
but you're you're correct as far as, like,

2027
01:10:41,895 --> 01:10:42,795
general marketing,

2028
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:44,180
sales,

2029
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:45,460
you know,

2030
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:47,760
all of the legalities. I mean, there's we

2031
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:50,239
have constant mitigation happening between all the agencies.

2032
01:10:50,239 --> 01:10:50,979
You're juggling

2033
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:53,360
so much and to do any one of

2034
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:54,500
those jobs correctly,

2035
01:10:55,039 --> 01:10:57,104
with compliance or whatever, that's a full time

2036
01:10:57,104 --> 01:10:58,164
job. And,

2037
01:10:59,585 --> 01:11:01,425
so something has to suffer. And it and

2038
01:11:01,425 --> 01:11:03,744
that's a balance. Right? It's like, don't let

2039
01:11:03,744 --> 01:11:06,944
the product quality suffer, but you can't let

2040
01:11:06,944 --> 01:11:09,104
other things slip either. And so we're juggling

2041
01:11:09,104 --> 01:11:10,619
all these things at one time and it's

2042
01:11:10,619 --> 01:11:11,119
it's,

2043
01:11:11,659 --> 01:11:13,659
I mean, it's a circus. It's a circus.

2044
01:11:13,659 --> 01:11:16,219
It really is a circus, but, we're learning

2045
01:11:16,219 --> 01:11:17,819
a lot, you know. I mean, we're it's

2046
01:11:17,819 --> 01:11:19,179
trial by fire and,

2047
01:11:20,060 --> 01:11:21,899
I would say that the amount of education

2048
01:11:21,899 --> 01:11:24,300
I've gotten since legalization has just blown my

2049
01:11:24,300 --> 01:11:24,800
mind.

2050
01:11:25,605 --> 01:11:26,265
You know,

2051
01:11:26,565 --> 01:11:27,065
there's

2052
01:11:27,525 --> 01:11:30,885
what's really, I would say disappointing is for

2053
01:11:30,885 --> 01:11:31,784
the most part,

2054
01:11:32,244 --> 01:11:34,405
there's a big lack of moral compass when

2055
01:11:34,405 --> 01:11:36,664
it comes to the corporate mentality.

2056
01:11:37,045 --> 01:11:38,905
And that's sad to see.

2057
01:11:39,710 --> 01:11:41,789
You know, I I definitely miss the days

2058
01:11:41,789 --> 01:11:44,369
of of dirt roads and handshakes. And,

2059
01:11:46,750 --> 01:11:48,130
are you still having fun?

2060
01:11:49,949 --> 01:11:52,109
Sometimes. Yeah. And sometimes, to be honest. It

2061
01:11:52,109 --> 01:11:53,550
sounds like it's so it sounds like it's

2062
01:11:53,550 --> 01:11:55,125
so much harder than it's ever been.

2063
01:11:56,085 --> 01:11:57,045
Ever. Ever. Ever.

2064
01:11:57,685 --> 01:11:59,864
We are we we lose more money

2065
01:12:00,244 --> 01:12:00,984
every year,

2066
01:12:01,765 --> 01:12:02,265
to

2067
01:12:02,645 --> 01:12:05,045
the whole process than, you know, I'd ever

2068
01:12:05,045 --> 01:12:06,885
lost during raids or busts back in the

2069
01:12:06,885 --> 01:12:09,385
day, and this is an annual debt now.

2070
01:12:09,444 --> 01:12:09,944
Mhmm.

2071
01:12:10,324 --> 01:12:13,140
You know, we've all watched our property equity

2072
01:12:13,140 --> 01:12:13,640
collapse.

2073
01:12:14,340 --> 01:12:16,739
We're watching our friends move away. Our mountains

2074
01:12:16,739 --> 01:12:19,220
are becoming quiet again because there's just nobody

2075
01:12:19,220 --> 01:12:20,199
left up here.

2076
01:12:21,300 --> 01:12:22,980
There's a lot going on. You know, the

2077
01:12:22,980 --> 01:12:24,659
price points are really tough. You know, it's

2078
01:12:24,820 --> 01:12:26,755
we're we're competing against, you know,

2079
01:12:27,534 --> 01:12:28,354
big corporate

2080
01:12:28,655 --> 01:12:31,935
ag that, is only geared on, you know,

2081
01:12:31,935 --> 01:12:33,555
trying to get out those 200 pounds

2082
01:12:34,574 --> 01:12:36,255
But the quality sucks. You know, it's all

2083
01:12:36,255 --> 01:12:40,090
chemicals, you know, flash dried and Tastes like

2084
01:12:40,090 --> 01:12:40,590
Styrofoam.

2085
01:12:41,609 --> 01:12:43,369
Yeah. You got it. And then that's consumer

2086
01:12:43,369 --> 01:12:44,809
awareness. At some point, they got to get

2087
01:12:44,809 --> 01:12:46,590
burned out on that. I mean, it's just,

2088
01:12:46,809 --> 01:12:48,329
you know, you can only drink so much

2089
01:12:48,329 --> 01:12:49,929
Bud Light before you want, like, a Sierra

2090
01:12:49,929 --> 01:12:51,625
Nevada or something. It's just like that's what

2091
01:12:51,625 --> 01:12:53,364
we're hoping. You know, if you

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01:12:53,784 --> 01:12:56,345
we really compare ourselves be maybe it's because

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01:12:56,345 --> 01:12:57,784
it's kinda regional, but, you know, to the

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01:12:57,784 --> 01:12:59,945
craft wine industry and being close to Napa

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01:12:59,945 --> 01:13:01,725
and Sonoma and, you know,

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01:13:02,824 --> 01:13:05,460
and their terroir and their micro climates and

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01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:07,220
their craft. And,

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01:13:08,319 --> 01:13:10,420
you know, we just don't have that craft

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01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:10,979
value

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01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:13,680
association yet. There's not a separation of markets

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01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:15,439
for price points. So we're still competing with

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01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:17,119
the combined to be market, but we're not

2103
01:13:17,119 --> 01:13:17,619
commodity.

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01:13:18,239 --> 01:13:18,739
And

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01:13:19,055 --> 01:13:21,135
we don't put out the volume that the

2106
01:13:21,135 --> 01:13:23,614
commodity guys do. Mhmm. But we gotta compete

2107
01:13:23,614 --> 01:13:25,695
at their price points, which is extremely hard

2108
01:13:25,695 --> 01:13:28,015
because logistics of living, like you said, I'm,

2109
01:13:28,015 --> 01:13:29,695
you know, I'm in the middle of nowhere

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01:13:29,695 --> 01:13:30,274
out here.

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01:13:31,055 --> 01:13:33,670
Trucking costs, shipping costs, just everything going to

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01:13:33,670 --> 01:13:35,310
town. I mean, I'm I'm literally an hour

2113
01:13:35,310 --> 01:13:37,050
and a half away from my post office.

2114
01:13:38,070 --> 01:13:41,189
You know, so everything out here is harder,

2115
01:13:41,189 --> 01:13:42,250
tougher, more expensive.

2116
01:13:42,710 --> 01:13:44,229
And I wouldn't trade it for the world.

2117
01:13:44,229 --> 01:13:45,735
I love it. I love where I'm at.

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01:13:45,735 --> 01:13:46,235
And

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01:13:47,494 --> 01:13:48,074
I'm currently

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01:13:48,454 --> 01:13:50,715
in a life cycle of trying

2121
01:13:51,095 --> 01:13:52,875
to backtrack to find the happiness,

2122
01:13:53,335 --> 01:13:55,015
the joy in this industry, and a lot

2123
01:13:55,015 --> 01:13:56,715
of it is like doing things like this.

2124
01:13:58,215 --> 01:14:01,270
Compassionate care, that's that's a positive. You know,

2125
01:14:01,270 --> 01:14:03,829
it's we things like when you when you

2126
01:14:03,829 --> 01:14:06,789
can hand somebody a a joint, they smoke

2127
01:14:06,789 --> 01:14:08,310
it and they smile and they're happy with

2128
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:10,170
it and they give you a positive response,

2129
01:14:10,229 --> 01:14:10,729
that

2130
01:14:11,110 --> 01:14:12,804
that's where it's at. You know, when you're

2131
01:14:12,804 --> 01:14:13,784
dealing with, like,

2132
01:14:14,324 --> 01:14:16,724
bulk middlemen that their whole job is just

2133
01:14:16,724 --> 01:14:18,645
to try to nitpick everything that's wrong with

2134
01:14:18,645 --> 01:14:20,324
whatever you got going on so they can

2135
01:14:20,324 --> 01:14:21,925
get it cheaper and cheaper and cheaper, like,

2136
01:14:21,925 --> 01:14:23,304
that's just soul draining.

2137
01:14:24,050 --> 01:14:25,670
Sales have never been my favorite.

2138
01:14:26,930 --> 01:14:28,869
And so when you ask, you know, there's

2139
01:14:29,409 --> 01:14:31,250
there's so much passion for what we do.

2140
01:14:31,250 --> 01:14:32,690
This has been my life's work,

2141
01:14:33,170 --> 01:14:33,670
and

2142
01:14:34,130 --> 01:14:36,210
I'm going through that process right now of

2143
01:14:36,210 --> 01:14:36,435
of

2144
01:14:37,234 --> 01:14:39,395
how do I maybe downsize and find the

2145
01:14:39,395 --> 01:14:40,595
joy in what we're doing so I can

2146
01:14:40,595 --> 01:14:44,055
bring back that creative process. Because, you know,

2147
01:14:44,914 --> 01:14:46,375
being creative in this industry,

2148
01:14:47,875 --> 01:14:49,520
it comes at a cost also because you

2149
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:51,440
have to sacrifice so much of the square

2150
01:14:51,440 --> 01:14:53,280
footage of your farm, so much of your

2151
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:56,000
time to, you know, these mystery strains and

2152
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:57,520
you're trying to come up with something new.

2153
01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:59,440
Maybe it's gonna hit, maybe it's not. So

2154
01:14:59,440 --> 01:15:00,640
you might be wasting a lot of your

2155
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:02,614
time and energy to try to, you know,

2156
01:15:02,614 --> 01:15:05,595
find something that works for very few people.

2157
01:15:06,774 --> 01:15:08,135
So it it the whole thing is a

2158
01:15:08,135 --> 01:15:10,055
balance. Mhmm. And there's there's some there's so

2159
01:15:10,055 --> 01:15:11,814
much to the dynamics of it all. And

2160
01:15:11,814 --> 01:15:13,414
every farm has their own issues, but there's

2161
01:15:13,414 --> 01:15:15,255
kind of a common theme that we're all

2162
01:15:15,255 --> 01:15:16,074
going through.

2163
01:15:17,420 --> 01:15:19,739
Right on. Alright. So let's go ahead,

2164
01:15:20,380 --> 01:15:22,619
and, take a little break, and we'll we'll

2165
01:15:22,619 --> 01:15:25,260
also, change your positioning a little bit with,

2166
01:15:25,579 --> 01:15:26,560
with the wind.

2167
01:15:26,860 --> 01:15:27,786
So, dear listener, we're gonna take this short

2168
01:15:27,786 --> 01:15:27,840
break and be right back. You are listening

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01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:27,893
to Shaping Fire, and my guest today is

2170
01:15:27,893 --> 01:15:28,399
legacy cannabis

2171
01:15:30,060 --> 01:15:30,560
cultivator,

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01:15:41,184 --> 01:15:43,925
Fish poop brand fertilizer is an all natural

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01:15:43,949 --> 01:15:47,650
OMRI certified fish poop concentrate with nothing added.

2174
01:15:48,110 --> 01:15:49,810
Real fish poop is extraordinarily

2175
01:15:50,350 --> 01:15:50,850
complex.

2176
01:15:51,390 --> 01:15:53,789
Not only are you adding the nitrogen, phosphorus,

2177
01:15:53,789 --> 01:15:56,289
and potassium your plants need to build mass,

2178
01:15:56,350 --> 01:15:58,690
transport nutrients, and enhance flavor,

2179
01:15:59,104 --> 01:16:01,845
but fish waste is also packed with probiotics

2180
01:16:01,985 --> 01:16:02,805
and micronutrients.

2181
01:16:03,985 --> 01:16:06,324
When you add fish poop to your irrigation

2182
01:16:06,545 --> 01:16:09,265
water, you are adding fertilizer in a form

2183
01:16:09,265 --> 01:16:12,064
that strengthens the soil food web in your

2184
01:16:12,064 --> 01:16:12,564
garden.

2185
01:16:13,710 --> 01:16:16,350
Because plants are limited by the absence of

2186
01:16:16,350 --> 01:16:17,810
any essential micronutrient,

2187
01:16:18,750 --> 01:16:21,550
these trace nutrients are the difference between having

2188
01:16:21,550 --> 01:16:23,949
a decent garden and having a garden that

2189
01:16:23,949 --> 01:16:26,130
makes you feel really proud of your efforts.

2190
01:16:27,164 --> 01:16:29,965
Fish poop is a naturally complete solution that

2191
01:16:29,965 --> 01:16:32,465
fills in the cracks in your fertilizer program

2192
01:16:32,765 --> 01:16:34,845
to ensure that you offer your garden a

2193
01:16:34,845 --> 01:16:36,145
broad base of nutrients.

2194
01:16:37,244 --> 01:16:39,585
Not all fish poop is created equally.

2195
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:42,760
Most products with added fish waste don't reveal

2196
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:44,619
their sources or lab results.

2197
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:47,340
Fish poop brand Fish poop, however,

2198
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:50,380
generates their own fish waste as a byproduct

2199
01:16:50,440 --> 01:16:51,979
of their organic aquaponics

2200
01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:55,045
cannabis farm where they raise ornamental koi and

2201
01:16:55,045 --> 01:16:55,545
tilapia.

2202
01:16:56,484 --> 01:16:58,805
You are even invited to tour their farm

2203
01:16:58,805 --> 01:17:01,125
in person or on their YouTube channel to

2204
01:17:01,125 --> 01:17:01,945
look for yourself.

2205
01:17:02,645 --> 01:17:03,784
This sort of transparency

2206
01:17:04,164 --> 01:17:06,960
is wildly rare in the fertilizer market. The

2207
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:10,079
folks behind Fish Poop are also lifelong medical

2208
01:17:10,079 --> 01:17:12,800
cannabis producers who have deep connections in the

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01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:13,300
community,

2210
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:16,399
donate more product than they sell, and support

2211
01:17:16,399 --> 01:17:20,340
cannabis prisoners, veteran, and patient collectives and charities.

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01:17:21,204 --> 01:17:23,704
To get your bottle of Pure Fish Poop,

2213
01:17:23,845 --> 01:17:25,864
go to fishpoop.com

2214
01:17:26,005 --> 01:17:28,805
or search for Fish Poop on Amazon or

2215
01:17:28,805 --> 01:17:30,185
walmart.com.

2216
01:17:30,324 --> 01:17:32,585
And to see their entire line of cannabis

2217
01:17:32,645 --> 01:17:36,180
products, go to ounceofhope.com.

2218
01:17:36,659 --> 01:17:39,239
That's fish poop brand fish poop.

2219
01:17:42,739 --> 01:17:45,000
This message is for folks who grow cannabis.

2220
01:17:45,060 --> 01:17:47,539
I'm talking to home growers, patients and commercial

2221
01:17:47,539 --> 01:17:50,574
growers too. I'm probably talking to you. When

2222
01:17:50,574 --> 01:17:52,574
you plan out your next growing cycle, be

2223
01:17:52,574 --> 01:17:55,694
sure to check out Humboldt CSI seeds at

2224
01:17:55,694 --> 01:17:57,795
humboldtcsi.com.

2225
01:17:58,094 --> 01:18:00,335
Caleb Inspecta and his family have lived in

2226
01:18:00,335 --> 01:18:02,770
Humboldt County for over a hundred years. For

2227
01:18:02,770 --> 01:18:05,170
the last forty years, three generations of his

2228
01:18:05,170 --> 01:18:08,289
family have cultivated extraordinary sense of MIA cannabis

2229
01:18:08,289 --> 01:18:10,869
in Humboldt, Mendocino, and Trinity Counties.

2230
01:18:11,570 --> 01:18:13,890
Because of his lineage and the hard earned

2231
01:18:13,890 --> 01:18:16,764
experience that comes from growing up smoking and

2232
01:18:16,764 --> 01:18:19,404
sifting large populations of cannabis plants in Northern

2233
01:18:19,404 --> 01:18:19,904
California,

2234
01:18:20,364 --> 01:18:22,604
the seeds you'll cop from CSI will be

2235
01:18:22,604 --> 01:18:23,505
winning genetics

2236
01:18:23,885 --> 01:18:26,604
based on long time heavy hitters and updated

2237
01:18:26,604 --> 01:18:28,844
and resifted to bring out new and exotic

2238
01:18:28,844 --> 01:18:30,224
traits and better yields.

2239
01:18:30,699 --> 01:18:33,020
Go ahead and ask around. Caleb, also known

2240
01:18:33,020 --> 01:18:35,819
as Inspecta and Pirates of the Emerald Triangle

2241
01:18:35,819 --> 01:18:38,460
is a breeder's breeder. He reaches way back

2242
01:18:38,460 --> 01:18:40,239
and works with significant strains,

2243
01:18:40,619 --> 01:18:42,859
recreating them in new and interesting ways that

2244
01:18:42,859 --> 01:18:45,199
you'll love as a toker and a grower

2245
01:18:45,340 --> 01:18:47,475
as well as offering you some surprises that

2246
01:18:47,475 --> 01:18:49,895
will delight serious seed traders and cultivators.

2247
01:18:50,835 --> 01:18:54,034
Humboldt CSI goes a further step and selfs

2248
01:18:54,034 --> 01:18:56,354
all these chemovars so you know all the

2249
01:18:56,354 --> 01:18:59,095
seeds will be female. These are not experimental

2250
01:18:59,395 --> 01:19:02,659
feminized seeds. Humboldt CSI releases some of the

2251
01:19:02,659 --> 01:19:05,619
best female seeds available anywhere and it will

2252
01:19:05,619 --> 01:19:06,600
show in your garden.

2253
01:19:07,219 --> 01:19:09,380
Folks grew quite a bit of CSI Humboldt

2254
01:19:09,380 --> 01:19:11,539
Gen X last year here on Vashon Island

2255
01:19:11,539 --> 01:19:12,920
and everyone was pleased.

2256
01:19:13,244 --> 01:19:16,125
The patients had beautiful female plants and didn't

2257
01:19:16,125 --> 01:19:17,804
have to cull half of their garden as

2258
01:19:17,804 --> 01:19:18,304
males.

2259
01:19:18,764 --> 01:19:20,685
The folks growing for the fun of getting

2260
01:19:20,685 --> 01:19:23,965
high grew colorful flowers with exceptional bag appeal

2261
01:19:23,965 --> 01:19:25,024
and great highs.

2262
01:19:25,350 --> 01:19:27,909
And breeders had seven out of seven females

2263
01:19:27,909 --> 01:19:29,510
in a pack which gave them a lot

2264
01:19:29,510 --> 01:19:30,889
of phenotypic choices.

2265
01:19:31,590 --> 01:19:35,989
Take a moment right now and visit humboldtcsi.com.

2266
01:19:35,989 --> 01:19:37,750
You'll find an up to date menu of

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01:19:37,750 --> 01:19:39,069
both feminized and regular lines along with photos

2268
01:19:39,069 --> 01:19:40,170
and descriptions. That's humboldtcsi.com.

2269
01:19:42,925 --> 01:19:45,744
Descriptions. That's humboldtcsi.com.

2270
01:19:47,965 --> 01:19:50,284
You've heard me talk about the award winning

2271
01:19:50,284 --> 01:19:52,604
cannabis seeds that come from the analytical breeding

2272
01:19:52,604 --> 01:19:55,164
program of Seth and Eric Crawford who founded

2273
01:19:55,164 --> 01:19:58,210
Oregon CBD Seeds. In fact, Seth was a

2274
01:19:58,210 --> 01:20:00,469
guest on Shaping Fire in 2020

2275
01:20:00,529 --> 01:20:02,229
to talk about triploid genetics.

2276
01:20:03,090 --> 01:20:05,670
Seth and Eric are now releasing high THC

2277
01:20:05,810 --> 01:20:08,449
seeds for home growers and farms as Grow

2278
01:20:08,449 --> 01:20:09,189
the Revolution

2279
01:20:09,649 --> 01:20:12,345
seeds at gtrseeds.com.

2280
01:20:12,985 --> 01:20:15,485
Their high THC seeds are extraordinary

2281
01:20:15,864 --> 01:20:17,945
in that they will start to flower at

2282
01:20:17,945 --> 01:20:20,425
sixteen and a half hours of daylight instead

2283
01:20:20,425 --> 01:20:22,505
of the typical fourteen and a half hours

2284
01:20:22,505 --> 01:20:23,085
of daylight.

2285
01:20:23,465 --> 01:20:25,085
That means in most regions,

2286
01:20:25,420 --> 01:20:27,659
your plants will start to flower outdoors in

2287
01:20:27,659 --> 01:20:28,800
the July

2288
01:20:29,099 --> 01:20:30,880
instead of the August,

2289
01:20:31,019 --> 01:20:34,000
which means these photoperiod plants finish in September

2290
01:20:34,300 --> 01:20:35,359
and not October,

2291
01:20:35,819 --> 01:20:38,479
totally upending the photoperiod seed market.

2292
01:20:39,164 --> 01:20:41,885
Seth and Eric took their prized early flowering

2293
01:20:41,885 --> 01:20:44,204
CBG line and bred it to some of

2294
01:20:44,204 --> 01:20:47,744
the most desired verified genetics out there, including

2295
01:20:47,805 --> 01:20:48,305
sourdiesel,

2296
01:20:48,685 --> 01:20:52,305
triangle cush, wedding cake, chemdogs, Skittles and others.

2297
01:20:52,719 --> 01:20:56,479
These crosses all express powerful photoperiod terpene profiles

2298
01:20:56,479 --> 01:20:57,219
and THC

2299
01:20:57,679 --> 01:20:59,139
giving you a great high.

2300
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:03,199
GTR Seeds has a new THCV line with

2301
01:21:03,199 --> 01:21:05,300
plants like Double Durban and Gigantor

2302
01:21:05,679 --> 01:21:08,494
that boast one to one THC to THC

2303
01:21:08,795 --> 01:21:11,454
v. And people want that THC v.

2304
01:21:12,155 --> 01:21:14,255
GTR seeds are very consistent,

2305
01:21:14,715 --> 01:21:17,854
true growing inbred f ones from stabilized

2306
01:21:18,155 --> 01:21:19,534
inbred parent lines.

2307
01:21:19,980 --> 01:21:23,020
These seeds are nearly homogeneous and the plants

2308
01:21:23,020 --> 01:21:25,500
should all grow the same. There is only

2309
01:21:25,500 --> 01:21:28,940
one phenotype in every pack, available as diploids

2310
01:21:28,940 --> 01:21:29,600
and triploids.

2311
01:21:30,380 --> 01:21:32,800
Seth and Eric's company is still family owned,

2312
01:21:32,860 --> 01:21:35,704
patient and employee centric, and partially powered by

2313
01:21:35,704 --> 01:21:37,484
their two acres of solar panels.

2314
01:21:38,104 --> 01:21:40,344
Everyone can purchase these seeds and the entire

2315
01:21:40,344 --> 01:21:45,324
catalog of Oregon CBD seeds at gtrseeds.com.

2316
01:21:45,545 --> 01:21:47,400
Go to gtrseeds.com

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01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:49,420
today and choose something revolutionary

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01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:51,820
for your next indoor or outdoor run.

2319
01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:54,840
Welcome back. You are listening to Shaping Fire

2320
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:56,840
and I am your host, Shango Los. My

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01:21:56,840 --> 01:21:59,960
guest today is legacy cannabis cultivator, Nick Erickson

2322
01:21:59,960 --> 01:22:01,100
of Full Moon Farms.

2323
01:22:01,515 --> 01:22:02,875
Okay. I think we've got the wind and

2324
01:22:02,875 --> 01:22:03,534
the connection

2325
01:22:03,994 --> 01:22:06,074
taken care of. So let's get let's dive

2326
01:22:06,074 --> 01:22:08,734
into the cultivation side of Full Moon Farms.

2327
01:22:09,274 --> 01:22:11,034
So, Nick, you know, one of the reasons

2328
01:22:11,034 --> 01:22:13,835
that I was originally attracted to Full Moon

2329
01:22:13,835 --> 01:22:16,635
Farms is because, you know, you're very, clear

2330
01:22:16,635 --> 01:22:19,409
that you guys are terpene chasers and not

2331
01:22:19,409 --> 01:22:20,710
THC chasers.

2332
01:22:21,250 --> 01:22:22,770
And, you know, we talk about that so

2333
01:22:22,770 --> 01:22:25,090
much on shaping fire that that if you

2334
01:22:25,090 --> 01:22:27,729
have a high THC and crappy terpenes, you're

2335
01:22:27,729 --> 01:22:29,510
gonna have a really unremarkable

2336
01:22:29,810 --> 01:22:32,465
cannabis experience. But even if your THC is

2337
01:22:32,465 --> 01:22:34,645
lower but you've got a full terpene profile,

2338
01:22:34,864 --> 01:22:37,345
it really sculpts the experience you're gonna have,

2339
01:22:37,345 --> 01:22:39,524
and you're gonna have more of that connection

2340
01:22:39,585 --> 01:22:40,244
and joy

2341
01:22:40,625 --> 01:22:42,944
that you're smoking cannabis for in the first

2342
01:22:42,944 --> 01:22:45,345
place. And and I know that you have

2343
01:22:45,345 --> 01:22:45,845
designed

2344
01:22:46,189 --> 01:22:48,529
and your entire process at full moon

2345
01:22:48,829 --> 01:22:51,630
for the terpenes. So so tell us a

2346
01:22:51,630 --> 01:22:53,889
bit about that, about, you know, the the

2347
01:22:53,949 --> 01:22:56,270
the supremacy that it terpenes hold on the

2348
01:22:56,270 --> 01:22:56,770
farm.

2349
01:22:57,789 --> 01:22:59,710
I mean, you you just nailed it when

2350
01:22:59,710 --> 01:23:00,609
you said experience.

2351
01:23:01,475 --> 01:23:03,255
We want you to

2352
01:23:03,715 --> 01:23:06,055
smoke something without knowing what the name is,

2353
01:23:06,194 --> 01:23:08,194
what the profile is supposed to be, what

2354
01:23:08,194 --> 01:23:09,814
the THC percentage is,

2355
01:23:10,114 --> 01:23:10,614
and

2356
01:23:11,074 --> 01:23:11,975
have a positive

2357
01:23:12,515 --> 01:23:15,060
experience from it. You know, if you're seeking

2358
01:23:15,060 --> 01:23:16,899
a specific effect, if you want something that's,

2359
01:23:16,899 --> 01:23:17,399
like,

2360
01:23:17,780 --> 01:23:20,180
energetic and focused and uplifting and you can

2361
01:23:20,180 --> 01:23:22,100
function through the day, we wanna be able

2362
01:23:22,100 --> 01:23:23,560
to match that to you. You know,

2363
01:23:24,020 --> 01:23:25,000
people are individuals,

2364
01:23:25,539 --> 01:23:27,939
and this plant is an individual. And there's

2365
01:23:27,939 --> 01:23:29,994
so many different dynamics to this plant just

2366
01:23:29,994 --> 01:23:32,475
like there is with people. And one, you

2367
01:23:32,475 --> 01:23:35,114
know, one blanket strain's not gonna work for

2368
01:23:35,114 --> 01:23:37,034
every person like they and and we see

2369
01:23:37,034 --> 01:23:39,755
this in dispensaries, unfortunately. You know, they're trying

2370
01:23:39,755 --> 01:23:41,614
to push the highest THC profile,

2371
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:44,460
flower at you. And

2372
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:47,479
it's just one it's not, you know, one

2373
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:49,180
size fits all. And,

2374
01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:51,239
you know, for us, you know, we've always

2375
01:23:51,239 --> 01:23:54,680
played around with genetics and pollen chucking, but

2376
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:57,244
we're not, you know, you know, supreme breeders

2377
01:23:57,244 --> 01:23:59,085
by any means. But we're lucky enough to

2378
01:23:59,085 --> 01:24:01,345
know some really, really quality breeders,

2379
01:24:02,204 --> 01:24:03,824
that we, you know, hunt for.

2380
01:24:04,204 --> 01:24:07,024
And they are able to give us back

2381
01:24:08,380 --> 01:24:10,460
unicorn cuts of something maybe that works really

2382
01:24:10,460 --> 01:24:12,960
specific to our microclimate that they're not gonna

2383
01:24:13,340 --> 01:24:15,900
necessarily didn't have the attributes attributes that they

2384
01:24:15,900 --> 01:24:16,400
wanna,

2385
01:24:16,780 --> 01:24:19,500
pursue for seed stock, for production, for sales,

2386
01:24:19,500 --> 01:24:20,534
that type of thing.

2387
01:24:21,015 --> 01:24:22,875
So we come across

2388
01:24:23,335 --> 01:24:25,595
really, really amazing flowers.

2389
01:24:26,534 --> 01:24:29,574
And it's it's, again, very specific to the

2390
01:24:29,574 --> 01:24:32,215
microclimates. And right now we're running three different

2391
01:24:32,215 --> 01:24:32,715
microclimates,

2392
01:24:33,574 --> 01:24:35,909
and it's finding out what

2393
01:24:36,550 --> 01:24:39,989
genetic does what at what's what spot. That

2394
01:24:39,989 --> 01:24:41,430
way we can bring out the best of

2395
01:24:41,430 --> 01:24:44,070
that flare that flower, the highest, you know,

2396
01:24:44,070 --> 01:24:45,689
flavor profile possible,

2397
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:49,944
and and kinda match that to the consumer.

2398
01:24:50,085 --> 01:24:52,184
But it it all starts out with genetics.

2399
01:24:52,324 --> 01:24:53,145
100%.

2400
01:24:55,684 --> 01:24:56,744
You know, going

2401
01:24:57,204 --> 01:24:58,965
okay. So you said you said you're going

2402
01:24:58,965 --> 01:25:00,885
in these three different spots. So is what

2403
01:25:00,885 --> 01:25:02,890
you're saying that you actually the farm, if

2404
01:25:02,890 --> 01:25:04,829
you will, you know, it's full moon farm.

2405
01:25:05,289 --> 01:25:07,130
And so you're saying you have three different

2406
01:25:07,130 --> 01:25:07,630
locations

2407
01:25:08,010 --> 01:25:08,829
with different,

2408
01:25:09,210 --> 01:25:10,430
like, bioregion

2409
01:25:10,810 --> 01:25:11,310
weather.

2410
01:25:11,689 --> 01:25:13,949
And so you you are growing

2411
01:25:18,625 --> 01:25:20,944
power of that particular environment. Absolutely.

2412
01:25:24,625 --> 01:25:26,564
We have a and

2413
01:25:27,024 --> 01:25:29,104
it's amazing even what two miles will do

2414
01:25:29,104 --> 01:25:31,710
for you apart as far as microclimates.

2415
01:25:32,010 --> 01:25:34,649
But we have one farm that is our

2416
01:25:34,649 --> 01:25:38,110
most biodiverse farm. It's in native soil.

2417
01:25:39,050 --> 01:25:39,869
It's got

2418
01:25:40,649 --> 01:25:41,149
it's

2419
01:25:41,704 --> 01:25:43,724
about 28 miles from the ocean

2420
01:25:44,585 --> 01:25:46,284
at 3,000 feet elevation,

2421
01:25:46,744 --> 01:25:47,724
south facing.

2422
01:25:49,465 --> 01:25:52,664
It stays typically 10 to 15 degrees cooler

2423
01:25:52,664 --> 01:25:54,684
than the location I'm at right now.

2424
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:57,119
You get a little more of that coastal

2425
01:25:57,119 --> 01:25:59,600
influence. Sometimes the fog may rise up into

2426
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:01,600
that at the end of the gardens at

2427
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:02,260
that level.

2428
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:05,840
Two miles away from that, we have what

2429
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:08,560
we call the cusp property, and it's the

2430
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:10,659
cusp line 32 miles in

2431
01:26:11,114 --> 01:26:13,675
from inland influence. And there's a a real

2432
01:26:13,675 --> 01:26:17,055
long predominant ridge that runs down the county.

2433
01:26:17,114 --> 01:26:17,614
And

2434
01:26:20,154 --> 01:26:23,034
one side is the inland heat influence, drier,

2435
01:26:23,034 --> 01:26:25,114
more arid, and then you got the humidity

2436
01:26:25,114 --> 01:26:26,909
and the cooler temperatures from the other side.

2437
01:26:26,909 --> 01:26:28,670
So it just kind of goes back and

2438
01:26:28,670 --> 01:26:29,969
forth all summer long.

2439
01:26:30,670 --> 01:26:32,510
You'll get that coastal influence one day and

2440
01:26:32,510 --> 01:26:34,510
it'll be scorching hot the next. And the

2441
01:26:34,510 --> 01:26:37,229
terpene profiles that come out of that location

2442
01:26:37,229 --> 01:26:39,869
versus two miles closer to the ocean are

2443
01:26:39,869 --> 01:26:41,869
completely different. We can run the exact same

2444
01:26:41,869 --> 01:26:42,369
genetics

2445
01:26:42,715 --> 01:26:44,555
and take them to the lab, and you'll

2446
01:26:44,555 --> 01:26:47,195
have underlying terpenes that become predominant terpenes at

2447
01:26:47,195 --> 01:26:49,534
the other location. So the plants respond

2448
01:26:50,074 --> 01:26:50,895
very, very,

2449
01:26:53,835 --> 01:26:56,750
aggressively to the climates they're in. And,

2450
01:26:57,289 --> 01:26:59,050
you know, there's little nuances. And, I mean,

2451
01:26:59,050 --> 01:27:00,489
this is it's kind of above where the

2452
01:27:00,489 --> 01:27:02,250
market's at right now, but you can see

2453
01:27:02,250 --> 01:27:04,269
it on paper, so the science is there.

2454
01:27:05,130 --> 01:27:07,769
But the nuances of the flavor profiles and

2455
01:27:07,769 --> 01:27:10,375
the diversity of terpenes and the the little

2456
01:27:10,375 --> 01:27:12,074
tweaks it gives you to your experience,

2457
01:27:12,534 --> 01:27:14,235
that's hopefully gonna

2458
01:27:14,614 --> 01:27:15,274
be marketable

2459
01:27:15,574 --> 01:27:17,574
down the line. And hopefully, that's gonna be

2460
01:27:17,574 --> 01:27:19,574
recognized by the connoisseur. I mean, we we

2461
01:27:19,735 --> 01:27:21,655
Well, I I'm your target market for that,

2462
01:27:21,655 --> 01:27:23,574
dude, because, like, I'm miss I'm hearing you

2463
01:27:23,574 --> 01:27:27,149
describe, like, same plant grown two different places.

2464
01:27:27,369 --> 01:27:29,609
Like, that I wanna do a flight of

2465
01:27:29,609 --> 01:27:31,130
that. Right? I wanna do a flight of

2466
01:27:31,130 --> 01:27:33,210
the same plant grown at your three different

2467
01:27:33,210 --> 01:27:33,710
properties.

2468
01:27:34,090 --> 01:27:36,505
Like, that sounds freaking awesome to me. But

2469
01:27:36,505 --> 01:27:39,085
as we both know, and it's so astonishing

2470
01:27:39,145 --> 01:27:40,204
that this is true,

2471
01:27:40,585 --> 01:27:42,845
that that that sun grown

2472
01:27:43,465 --> 01:27:45,164
sells at a discount

2473
01:27:45,545 --> 01:27:47,885
to indoor, which is just flabbergasting

2474
01:27:48,345 --> 01:27:49,324
for me. Right?

2475
01:27:49,699 --> 01:27:52,340
Because, you know, I understand how the indoor

2476
01:27:52,340 --> 01:27:54,579
weed can look like a centerfold and be

2477
01:27:54,579 --> 01:27:56,279
super sexy in all the colors.

2478
01:27:56,579 --> 01:27:58,579
But, you know, the science is there that,

2479
01:27:58,579 --> 01:28:01,079
you know, all day long, the the outdoor

2480
01:28:01,635 --> 01:28:05,074
sunshine profile will be bigger and badder than

2481
01:28:05,074 --> 01:28:07,395
what you get inside, but it definitely doesn't

2482
01:28:07,395 --> 01:28:09,074
look the same and it's definitely gonna have

2483
01:28:09,074 --> 01:28:11,395
more more leaves. But, you know, when I'm

2484
01:28:11,395 --> 01:28:13,314
down near you and I'm trying to buy

2485
01:28:13,314 --> 01:28:13,814
flower,

2486
01:28:14,515 --> 01:28:16,215
you know, they should have a regenerative

2487
01:28:16,515 --> 01:28:19,050
section in the store and, you know, they're

2488
01:28:19,050 --> 01:28:21,210
not they're not usually. And then when they

2489
01:28:21,210 --> 01:28:22,970
tell me that the price is lower than

2490
01:28:22,970 --> 01:28:24,750
some kind of, you know, shock

2491
01:28:25,449 --> 01:28:27,289
because it's not as respected, I'm like, well,

2492
01:28:27,289 --> 01:28:29,050
shit. Give me one of everything that you

2493
01:28:29,050 --> 01:28:31,465
sell. I'll take that discount. But but it

2494
01:28:31,465 --> 01:28:34,604
doesn't it it's the market is out of

2495
01:28:35,545 --> 01:28:37,625
the market's out of touch with the actual

2496
01:28:37,625 --> 01:28:38,125
value.

2497
01:28:40,024 --> 01:28:41,564
Yes. And also

2498
01:28:43,710 --> 01:28:46,430
the reach of market. Like if somebody like

2499
01:28:46,430 --> 01:28:48,829
you is that's what you're looking for, that

2500
01:28:48,829 --> 01:28:50,510
like you said, most stores don't carry a

2501
01:28:50,510 --> 01:28:53,069
regenerative or, you know, sun grown or sometimes

2502
01:28:53,069 --> 01:28:54,989
the sun grown that they're promoting is actually

2503
01:28:54,989 --> 01:28:57,090
a corporate farm. It's just, you know,

2504
01:28:57,395 --> 01:28:59,395
down in Ventura or something that's just, you

2505
01:28:59,395 --> 01:29:01,234
know, 60 acres of outdoor. And they're calling

2506
01:29:01,234 --> 01:29:03,154
it a family sun growing farm because there's

2507
01:29:03,154 --> 01:29:05,314
a lot of culture piggybacking happening right now.

2508
01:29:05,314 --> 01:29:06,835
You really got to kind of research what

2509
01:29:06,835 --> 01:29:07,895
you're after. But,

2510
01:29:08,914 --> 01:29:11,170
but, you know, you nailed it with the

2511
01:29:11,170 --> 01:29:13,590
indoor being a higher price point.

2512
01:29:14,050 --> 01:29:16,689
And it's looks only looks sell. It's, you

2513
01:29:16,689 --> 01:29:18,850
know, it sells itself. Now, that's not going

2514
01:29:18,850 --> 01:29:20,470
to, you know, connoisseurs know.

2515
01:29:20,930 --> 01:29:23,250
There's some amazing there's some amazing indoor out

2516
01:29:23,250 --> 01:29:25,715
there for sure. I've I've, you know, organic

2517
01:29:25,715 --> 01:29:28,135
soil grown indoor. Absolutely. Yeah.

2518
01:29:29,475 --> 01:29:29,975
But,

2519
01:29:30,354 --> 01:29:32,135
you know, just to that point,

2520
01:29:32,835 --> 01:29:34,854
about, like, four or five years ago,

2521
01:29:35,850 --> 01:29:37,770
I was joined with a bunch of other

2522
01:29:37,770 --> 01:29:40,409
farms from Southern Humboldt, and, there was a

2523
01:29:40,409 --> 01:29:42,189
study going on in Columbia University,

2524
01:29:42,969 --> 01:29:43,710
by their,

2525
01:29:44,729 --> 01:29:48,170
PhD chemist, doctor Colin Knuckles. And what he

2526
01:29:48,170 --> 01:29:49,310
was doing was taking

2527
01:29:50,170 --> 01:29:51,149
the same genetics,

2528
01:29:51,885 --> 01:29:54,625
looking and doing complete profiles on them,

2529
01:29:55,005 --> 01:29:57,005
that were grown in the sun, grown under

2530
01:29:57,005 --> 01:29:57,664
a greenhouse,

2531
01:29:57,965 --> 01:29:59,024
and grown indoor.

2532
01:29:59,645 --> 01:30:00,145
And

2533
01:30:01,085 --> 01:30:03,005
some of his data that's been coming back

2534
01:30:03,005 --> 01:30:06,420
has shown that sun grown has almost a

2535
01:30:06,420 --> 01:30:07,319
100%

2536
01:30:07,380 --> 01:30:09,399
more of the same terpenes

2537
01:30:09,859 --> 01:30:11,640
that that genetic does indoor.

2538
01:30:12,500 --> 01:30:15,219
And so it just spikes off the charts.

2539
01:30:15,219 --> 01:30:17,300
And then something else he's finding is in

2540
01:30:17,300 --> 01:30:19,574
long term long term storage, as long as

2541
01:30:19,574 --> 01:30:22,635
your parameters of your curing and your storage

2542
01:30:22,695 --> 01:30:24,215
stays the same, you know, keeping your humidity

2543
01:30:24,215 --> 01:30:25,595
and your temperatures and everything

2544
01:30:25,975 --> 01:30:28,055
at the optimum level and and keeping, you

2545
01:30:28,055 --> 01:30:29,755
know, that bug leaf on it.

2546
01:30:30,454 --> 01:30:33,914
What he's seeing is that indoor oxidizes quicker,

2547
01:30:34,550 --> 01:30:37,750
the terpene profiles fall off indoor quicker in

2548
01:30:37,750 --> 01:30:38,250
storage.

2549
01:30:38,789 --> 01:30:39,289
And,

2550
01:30:40,070 --> 01:30:41,829
and some of this some of the cultivars

2551
01:30:41,829 --> 01:30:44,310
that he was looking at, it showed that,

2552
01:30:44,869 --> 01:30:47,444
their peak expressions were actually at about the

2553
01:30:47,444 --> 01:30:49,685
two year mark, about the twenty four month

2554
01:30:49,685 --> 01:30:53,125
mark of storage. That's crazy. The slow yeah.

2555
01:30:53,125 --> 01:30:55,625
The slow off gassing of of moisture and

2556
01:30:55,844 --> 01:30:56,244
and,

2557
01:30:56,645 --> 01:30:59,204
and the chlorophylls. And it just it was

2558
01:30:59,204 --> 01:31:01,604
just a slow, steady process. And it's kind

2559
01:31:01,604 --> 01:31:03,979
of like, you know, tequila. I think tequila

2560
01:31:03,979 --> 01:31:05,579
is, like, twenty eight years, and then it

2561
01:31:05,579 --> 01:31:06,859
starts to go down. Like, a twenty eight

2562
01:31:06,859 --> 01:31:08,300
year tequila is gonna treat you a lot

2563
01:31:08,300 --> 01:31:10,140
better than a 50 year old tequila. It

2564
01:31:10,140 --> 01:31:12,219
starts to go downhill. So there's these bell

2565
01:31:12,219 --> 01:31:13,279
curves that happen

2566
01:31:13,979 --> 01:31:16,755
with with proper curing and storage. And and

2567
01:31:16,755 --> 01:31:18,114
to be honest, you know, a lot of

2568
01:31:18,114 --> 01:31:20,114
people, that's where things fall apart. They can

2569
01:31:20,114 --> 01:31:22,275
grow amazing weed and then they either dry

2570
01:31:22,275 --> 01:31:23,574
it wrong, cure it wrong,

2571
01:31:24,114 --> 01:31:26,195
or store it wrong, and then stuff starts

2572
01:31:26,195 --> 01:31:26,935
to go downhill.

2573
01:31:28,275 --> 01:31:29,015
And so

2574
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:31,359
this, you know and and he gets really

2575
01:31:31,359 --> 01:31:32,260
in-depth with

2576
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:35,300
with more than just terpenes and THC. And,

2577
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:38,000
but what he was what he was showing

2578
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:40,720
was that, yes, I mean, scientifically, we can

2579
01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:42,260
prove that sun grown

2580
01:31:42,885 --> 01:31:43,385
is

2581
01:31:44,645 --> 01:31:46,564
better for you. It's, you know, it's it's

2582
01:31:46,564 --> 01:31:48,404
gonna taste better. It's gonna deliver a better

2583
01:31:48,404 --> 01:31:51,225
effect than that same cultivar growing indoor.

2584
01:31:53,045 --> 01:31:55,364
And, you know, I I don't think either

2585
01:31:55,364 --> 01:31:56,265
of us wanna,

2586
01:31:56,725 --> 01:31:58,619
say that we're taking a side on the

2587
01:31:58,860 --> 01:32:02,800
sun grown versus indoor debate, like, in total.

2588
01:32:02,860 --> 01:32:05,420
Right? Because it really depends on which strain

2589
01:32:05,420 --> 01:32:07,979
by which grower in which environment. You know?

2590
01:32:07,979 --> 01:32:09,280
Like like, you know,

2591
01:32:09,739 --> 01:32:10,880
indoor soil

2592
01:32:11,260 --> 01:32:12,239
can be fabulous,

2593
01:32:12,765 --> 01:32:13,265
but

2594
01:32:13,725 --> 01:32:14,304
my indoor

2595
01:32:14,604 --> 01:32:16,225
hydro from your neighbor,

2596
01:32:16,685 --> 01:32:17,824
like, doing it poorly

2597
01:32:18,284 --> 01:32:19,725
is not gonna be the same as the

2598
01:32:19,725 --> 01:32:21,824
hydro that some crazy

2599
01:32:22,364 --> 01:32:22,864
microbe,

2600
01:32:23,564 --> 01:32:26,069
you know, loving person who's developed their own

2601
01:32:26,069 --> 01:32:27,270
thing is gonna do you know, the point

2602
01:32:27,270 --> 01:32:28,869
the point is that you you gotta you

2603
01:32:28,869 --> 01:32:30,889
gotta compare the flower

2604
01:32:31,670 --> 01:32:32,649
in specific,

2605
01:32:33,109 --> 01:32:34,729
comparing indoor, outdoor,

2606
01:32:35,109 --> 01:32:37,350
hydro, soil. Like, it's you know, we can

2607
01:32:37,350 --> 01:32:39,614
talk about attributes, but you it really needs

2608
01:32:39,614 --> 01:32:41,074
to be this this flower

2609
01:32:41,614 --> 01:32:43,854
or this flower on any particular day. Kinda

2610
01:32:43,854 --> 01:32:46,494
like these contests, right, where where everybody competes

2611
01:32:46,494 --> 01:32:48,014
and it's like, it really depends on the

2612
01:32:48,014 --> 01:32:50,335
the flower that and and the judges and,

2613
01:32:50,335 --> 01:32:52,970
you know, it's just it's variable from day

2614
01:32:52,970 --> 01:32:53,869
to day. Right?

2615
01:32:54,250 --> 01:32:55,630
All of that said,

2616
01:32:56,329 --> 01:32:57,070
we believe

2617
01:32:57,530 --> 01:33:00,030
that in when grown properly,

2618
01:33:00,409 --> 01:33:01,229
we prefer

2619
01:33:01,770 --> 01:33:03,630
the wider terpene profiles

2620
01:33:04,010 --> 01:33:06,184
of of sun grown. And I don't think

2621
01:33:06,184 --> 01:33:08,344
the indoor and the outdoor people need to

2622
01:33:08,344 --> 01:33:08,844
be

2623
01:33:09,465 --> 01:33:11,784
like like like we don't have to have

2624
01:33:11,784 --> 01:33:12,284
animosity.

2625
01:33:12,585 --> 01:33:14,264
We're all just trying to grow the best

2626
01:33:14,264 --> 01:33:16,425
with the resources we have. I grow a

2627
01:33:16,425 --> 01:33:18,184
lot of indoor now because I live in

2628
01:33:18,184 --> 01:33:20,104
the Pacific Northwest and the cool stuff that

2629
01:33:20,104 --> 01:33:21,909
you can grow where you are, I can't

2630
01:33:21,909 --> 01:33:23,670
finish here. Right? So now I need to

2631
01:33:23,670 --> 01:33:24,569
grow some indoor.

2632
01:33:24,869 --> 01:33:28,310
But my shorter North Pacific Northwest strains, I

2633
01:33:28,310 --> 01:33:30,649
can grow those outdoors and those are fantastic

2634
01:33:30,710 --> 01:33:31,609
all day long.

2635
01:33:31,909 --> 01:33:34,069
And it's it's I think that it's when

2636
01:33:34,069 --> 01:33:35,645
people over simplify

2637
01:33:36,024 --> 01:33:38,344
that discussion that all of us who love

2638
01:33:38,344 --> 01:33:39,564
cannabis get into trouble.

2639
01:33:41,224 --> 01:33:42,984
You know, you're you just nailed that point

2640
01:33:42,984 --> 01:33:44,444
also, as far as

2641
01:33:44,824 --> 01:33:46,984
regional. Like, there's a lot of places that,

2642
01:33:46,984 --> 01:33:48,664
you know, the humidity and stuff throughout the

2643
01:33:48,664 --> 01:33:50,604
summers are too high, so they can't grow,

2644
01:33:51,229 --> 01:33:51,969
sun grown.

2645
01:33:52,270 --> 01:33:53,890
You're going to mold out, you know, it's

2646
01:33:54,189 --> 01:33:55,789
it's come harvest. So there's a lot of

2647
01:33:55,789 --> 01:33:57,390
regions in The United States that need to

2648
01:33:57,390 --> 01:33:59,469
grow indoor and there's a quality way to

2649
01:33:59,469 --> 01:34:00,989
do that and there's an organic way to

2650
01:34:00,989 --> 01:34:03,149
do that. And I 100% agree with you

2651
01:34:03,149 --> 01:34:05,784
on, you know, that's there's a need for

2652
01:34:06,405 --> 01:34:08,505
quality indoor flower out there.

2653
01:34:09,125 --> 01:34:10,265
You know, hopefully,

2654
01:34:10,805 --> 01:34:12,985
you know, the federal veil will drop

2655
01:34:13,364 --> 01:34:14,585
and we can access

2656
01:34:15,125 --> 01:34:18,185
all these other markets with sun grown that

2657
01:34:18,244 --> 01:34:19,050
want it,

2658
01:34:19,529 --> 01:34:21,050
you know, because it's it is very hard

2659
01:34:21,050 --> 01:34:21,949
to to access,

2660
01:34:22,809 --> 01:34:24,489
you know, the sun grown markets just here

2661
01:34:24,489 --> 01:34:25,929
in California. If you could if you could

2662
01:34:25,929 --> 01:34:29,210
do direct mail to all the nerds across

2663
01:34:29,210 --> 01:34:31,389
The United States, you would kill.

2664
01:34:31,770 --> 01:34:34,010
It would be so good. But it's it's

2665
01:34:34,010 --> 01:34:36,055
like you you got the you have a

2666
01:34:36,055 --> 01:34:39,095
specialty product that everyone will like, but it

2667
01:34:39,095 --> 01:34:41,435
takes a specialty buyer who understands

2668
01:34:42,295 --> 01:34:42,954
the value.

2669
01:34:43,574 --> 01:34:45,814
And those people are spread around and may

2670
01:34:45,814 --> 01:34:47,909
not live, like, drivable distance

2671
01:34:49,110 --> 01:34:51,030
dispensary where I can buy your stuff. Like

2672
01:34:51,030 --> 01:34:51,530
like,

2673
01:34:51,909 --> 01:34:53,989
I've I've, you know, I've enjoyed smoking your

2674
01:34:53,989 --> 01:34:55,510
stuff, but I've never seen it in a

2675
01:34:55,510 --> 01:34:57,590
store when I've traveled to California, you know,

2676
01:34:57,590 --> 01:34:58,810
and I've looked for it.

2677
01:34:59,430 --> 01:34:59,930
Right.

2678
01:35:01,030 --> 01:35:03,304
You know, it's we have some pretty strong

2679
01:35:03,304 --> 01:35:05,404
retail partners, but it's specific chains,

2680
01:35:05,784 --> 01:35:07,625
and it's ones that are actually kinda seeing

2681
01:35:07,625 --> 01:35:08,284
the value

2682
01:35:09,145 --> 01:35:09,645
because

2683
01:35:10,024 --> 01:35:12,125
we are having some sell through finally.

2684
01:35:12,585 --> 01:35:14,505
But to be honest, you know, that that

2685
01:35:14,505 --> 01:35:15,005
organic

2686
01:35:15,869 --> 01:35:16,369
craft

2687
01:35:16,909 --> 01:35:19,069
market that we need to access, a lot

2688
01:35:19,069 --> 01:35:20,989
of those people don't go to dispensaries at

2689
01:35:20,989 --> 01:35:22,510
all. They would rather have it delivered to

2690
01:35:22,510 --> 01:35:24,670
them. And there's there's big issues with with

2691
01:35:24,670 --> 01:35:27,729
the profitability of of delivery services in California

2692
01:35:27,949 --> 01:35:28,449
because

2693
01:35:28,945 --> 01:35:31,425
of their taxation crossing county lines. It's like

2694
01:35:31,425 --> 01:35:33,125
a double taxation thing. But,

2695
01:35:33,585 --> 01:35:35,204
anyway, so it's you know,

2696
01:35:35,585 --> 01:35:37,824
if they are gonna drive their Range Rover

2697
01:35:37,824 --> 01:35:39,585
down to Whole Foods and buy a $5,

2698
01:35:39,585 --> 01:35:41,204
you know, organic avocado,

2699
01:35:42,180 --> 01:35:44,359
they don't want to go into the city

2700
01:35:44,420 --> 01:35:46,420
and wait in line to have a 20

2701
01:35:46,420 --> 01:35:48,739
year old try to sell them some 34

2702
01:35:48,739 --> 01:35:50,600
percent THC, you know, just

2703
01:35:51,060 --> 01:35:53,460
bland, whatever, because that's what they're they're supposed

2704
01:35:53,460 --> 01:35:55,414
to be doing. They wanna they wanna be

2705
01:35:55,414 --> 01:35:57,014
at home. They want access to come to

2706
01:35:57,014 --> 01:35:58,074
them. You know, they

2707
01:35:58,375 --> 01:36:00,554
they jump online, order know what they're getting,

2708
01:36:00,694 --> 01:36:03,414
and they'll pay that craft premium or at

2709
01:36:03,414 --> 01:36:05,894
least, you know, something that's above commodity to

2710
01:36:05,894 --> 01:36:07,494
have it brought to them. And we need

2711
01:36:07,494 --> 01:36:09,960
that. We we really need that to survive

2712
01:36:09,960 --> 01:36:10,460
this.

2713
01:36:11,159 --> 01:36:13,659
And so the market's there. It's just accessing

2714
01:36:13,720 --> 01:36:15,239
them. But if we could, you know, get

2715
01:36:15,239 --> 01:36:17,479
the federal veil down and you could say,

2716
01:36:17,479 --> 01:36:19,399
okay. It's not just San Francisco and LA

2717
01:36:19,399 --> 01:36:22,885
now. Now it's Detroit, you know, Minneapolis, Boston.

2718
01:36:23,024 --> 01:36:25,045
And and the people in those markets,

2719
01:36:25,984 --> 01:36:27,364
that want what we do,

2720
01:36:28,145 --> 01:36:30,064
you know, it would put a heartbeat back

2721
01:36:30,064 --> 01:36:30,885
in this county.

2722
01:36:32,305 --> 01:36:33,744
Yeah. I would love to see that. I

2723
01:36:33,744 --> 01:36:35,869
wish I wish I had I mean, I've

2724
01:36:35,869 --> 01:36:37,229
got hope. Right? But I wish I had

2725
01:36:37,229 --> 01:36:37,969
an expectation

2726
01:36:38,270 --> 01:36:39,090
that that was,

2727
01:36:39,710 --> 01:36:41,789
just around the corner, but it doesn't it

2728
01:36:41,789 --> 01:36:44,189
doesn't feel like that. And so farms like

2729
01:36:44,189 --> 01:36:46,935
yours have gotta just, like, keep stuff

2730
01:36:47,335 --> 01:36:47,914
so tight

2731
01:36:48,614 --> 01:36:50,234
waiting for some oxygen.

2732
01:36:51,655 --> 01:36:52,155
Yep.

2733
01:36:52,774 --> 01:36:55,095
And, I mean, it's dwindling quick. It's it

2734
01:36:55,095 --> 01:36:57,335
really is. There's there's so few farms left.

2735
01:36:57,335 --> 01:36:57,835
And,

2736
01:36:58,295 --> 01:37:00,215
you know, we're doing everything we can. And

2737
01:37:00,215 --> 01:37:01,760
it's, you know, a lot of people are

2738
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:03,539
just picking up second jobs again,

2739
01:37:04,159 --> 01:37:04,659
downsizing,

2740
01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:08,340
following for a season, seeing how things go.

2741
01:37:09,119 --> 01:37:11,199
But there's also a lot of exodus. There's

2742
01:37:11,199 --> 01:37:12,579
people moving to other states

2743
01:37:13,005 --> 01:37:15,725
finding, you know, work in in markets where

2744
01:37:15,725 --> 01:37:17,645
housing's cheaper and that type of thing. California

2745
01:37:17,645 --> 01:37:19,405
is a really expensive state to live in.

2746
01:37:19,405 --> 01:37:21,725
Mhmm. And Humboldt County is an isolated county.

2747
01:37:21,725 --> 01:37:23,104
We're three hours from anything.

2748
01:37:23,645 --> 01:37:25,725
So everything we do here is expensive. Everything's

2749
01:37:25,725 --> 01:37:27,024
trucked in or shipped in.

2750
01:37:28,489 --> 01:37:30,350
So so let's let's,

2751
01:37:30,890 --> 01:37:32,890
let's make a big assumption for a moment

2752
01:37:32,890 --> 01:37:35,630
and and assume that everything everything works out.

2753
01:37:36,409 --> 01:37:37,390
So looking

2754
01:37:37,850 --> 01:37:40,329
looking forward, I know that you're, you know,

2755
01:37:40,329 --> 01:37:42,829
you're a pretty visionary guy, and you are

2756
01:37:43,045 --> 01:37:43,704
excited about

2757
01:37:44,085 --> 01:37:46,484
your property. And and you've got,

2758
01:37:46,965 --> 01:37:48,264
you know, another generation,

2759
01:37:49,125 --> 01:37:51,045
you know, coming up behind you through your

2760
01:37:51,045 --> 01:37:53,844
kids. And, like like, what do you like

2761
01:37:53,844 --> 01:37:56,404
like, assuming that the market evolves in a

2762
01:37:56,404 --> 01:37:57,420
way that

2763
01:37:58,140 --> 01:38:00,460
that that good value can be, you know,

2764
01:38:00,460 --> 01:38:01,359
come to your

2765
01:38:01,659 --> 01:38:03,359
flowers, what are you looking forward,

2766
01:38:03,739 --> 01:38:04,239
to

2767
01:38:04,699 --> 01:38:05,600
to to continuing

2768
01:38:06,060 --> 01:38:08,460
growing forward? You know, like, I assume that

2769
01:38:08,460 --> 01:38:10,939
there are some in house strains that you

2770
01:38:10,939 --> 01:38:13,875
wanna continue and, you know, I I don't

2771
01:38:13,875 --> 01:38:16,595
I don't wanna suggest what excites you, but

2772
01:38:16,595 --> 01:38:18,274
I know that for me, even in my

2773
01:38:18,274 --> 01:38:20,935
own garden, I'm already excited for

2774
01:38:21,314 --> 01:38:23,395
two seasons from now because I have long

2775
01:38:23,395 --> 01:38:25,795
term projects. Right? What what are some of

2776
01:38:25,795 --> 01:38:28,935
your long term projects that you're excited about?

2777
01:38:30,909 --> 01:38:33,229
As far as genetics go, you know, we

2778
01:38:33,229 --> 01:38:33,970
always get

2779
01:38:34,590 --> 01:38:36,590
surprised from some of the breeders we work

2780
01:38:36,590 --> 01:38:38,510
with each year. So so some of those

2781
01:38:38,510 --> 01:38:40,109
things that we look forward to kinda come

2782
01:38:40,109 --> 01:38:40,770
out of,

2783
01:38:41,405 --> 01:38:42,225
you know, springtime

2784
01:38:42,765 --> 01:38:44,204
pop ups when, you know, we get some

2785
01:38:44,204 --> 01:38:46,445
stuff given to us. We've done some in

2786
01:38:46,445 --> 01:38:47,265
house breeding

2787
01:38:47,805 --> 01:38:49,485
that we're we're stoked on. We always like

2788
01:38:49,485 --> 01:38:51,265
to carry the legacy genetics.

2789
01:38:51,645 --> 01:38:53,579
I've got a neighbor up here that

2790
01:38:54,220 --> 01:38:56,960
bowed out of the game, but he archives

2791
01:38:57,180 --> 01:38:59,899
heirloom vegetables and cannabis seeds, and he's got

2792
01:38:59,899 --> 01:39:01,600
stuff going back into the eighties.

2793
01:39:02,140 --> 01:39:03,979
And he is he's got a catalog of

2794
01:39:03,979 --> 01:39:06,539
stuff that's just amazing. And so when the

2795
01:39:06,539 --> 01:39:08,539
market dictates it, that's where I'm excited to

2796
01:39:08,539 --> 01:39:10,664
kind of go old school again because a

2797
01:39:10,664 --> 01:39:12,104
lot of the bag appeal from some of

2798
01:39:12,104 --> 01:39:14,024
those old school strange, you know, you know,

2799
01:39:14,024 --> 01:39:15,784
train wreck crosses and those type of things.

2800
01:39:15,784 --> 01:39:16,185
It's,

2801
01:39:17,465 --> 01:39:18,604
it's it's not

2802
01:39:18,984 --> 01:39:21,864
it's not at on par with what's selling

2803
01:39:21,864 --> 01:39:24,510
right now on the mass markets. And so

2804
01:39:24,510 --> 01:39:27,010
I would love to go back to, like,

2805
01:39:27,069 --> 01:39:29,569
what the roots of Humboldt County

2806
01:39:30,029 --> 01:39:30,529
were,

2807
01:39:31,550 --> 01:39:33,630
and, you know, some of those Highland indicas

2808
01:39:33,630 --> 01:39:35,809
and stuff and and just really,

2809
01:39:36,510 --> 01:39:39,010
really bring back some some history,

2810
01:39:39,435 --> 01:39:40,814
you know, and sell history,

2811
01:39:41,194 --> 01:39:42,335
a taste of yesterday.

2812
01:39:42,795 --> 01:39:43,935
That excites me.

2813
01:39:44,795 --> 01:39:47,034
Or or, you know, maybe doing some crosses

2814
01:39:47,034 --> 01:39:49,034
with a bit of history and something that's

2815
01:39:49,034 --> 01:39:50,255
that's hot right now.

2816
01:39:52,149 --> 01:39:54,710
You know, that's that's where my heart lies.

2817
01:39:54,710 --> 01:39:56,309
But that's a personal thing. You know, I

2818
01:39:56,309 --> 01:39:58,250
got to I got to respect the the

2819
01:39:59,109 --> 01:40:00,869
the voice of the market. And, you know,

2820
01:40:00,869 --> 01:40:03,050
this year we grew like 32 different genetics.

2821
01:40:03,109 --> 01:40:04,949
Holy smokes. Yeah. We leave a lot of

2822
01:40:04,949 --> 01:40:07,225
money on the table because we're growing stuff

2823
01:40:07,225 --> 01:40:09,385
that is hard to grow, that are low

2824
01:40:09,385 --> 01:40:11,244
yielders. Maybe they're mold prone,

2825
01:40:12,425 --> 01:40:15,305
you know, maybe they're they only market to,

2826
01:40:15,305 --> 01:40:17,945
you know, five or 10% of our total

2827
01:40:17,945 --> 01:40:18,445
sales.

2828
01:40:19,500 --> 01:40:21,180
And so there's you know, we we do

2829
01:40:21,180 --> 01:40:23,840
that. We have that diversity for the people.

2830
01:40:23,979 --> 01:40:26,140
We understand that. Plug some of these? Because,

2831
01:40:26,140 --> 01:40:27,819
like, you know, part partly, we wanna hear

2832
01:40:27,819 --> 01:40:29,979
your stories. Right? But I also want people

2833
01:40:29,979 --> 01:40:32,300
to go out and and buy your jars

2834
01:40:32,300 --> 01:40:34,194
at the dispensary. Right? So why don't we

2835
01:40:34,194 --> 01:40:36,034
take a second? Tell tell us about some

2836
01:40:36,034 --> 01:40:36,694
of your,

2837
01:40:37,875 --> 01:40:39,895
your commonly available

2838
01:40:40,675 --> 01:40:41,175
strains

2839
01:40:41,475 --> 01:40:43,635
that people get excited about just so people

2840
01:40:43,635 --> 01:40:45,715
know what we're talking about when they go

2841
01:40:45,715 --> 01:40:47,255
and and look for your stuff.

2842
01:40:47,890 --> 01:40:49,890
Sure. So so we're co partnered with one

2843
01:40:49,890 --> 01:40:51,989
of my, neighboring farms out here.

2844
01:40:52,610 --> 01:40:55,329
His name's Scott Vacherlin. He has a Humboldt

2845
01:40:55,329 --> 01:40:57,489
Family Farms brand. He's a COBRA. It's we're

2846
01:40:57,489 --> 01:40:58,710
co branded with him.

2847
01:40:59,715 --> 01:41:01,395
It will be the the the label will

2848
01:41:01,395 --> 01:41:03,795
say Humble Family Farms grown by Full Moon

2849
01:41:03,795 --> 01:41:04,295
Farms.

2850
01:41:05,234 --> 01:41:07,074
And we do a lot of fun projects

2851
01:41:07,074 --> 01:41:07,574
together.

2852
01:41:08,034 --> 01:41:10,675
He's on on pace with the same ethos

2853
01:41:10,675 --> 01:41:12,034
as we are. And,

2854
01:41:12,514 --> 01:41:15,409
right now, you know, like, the the grapealicious,

2855
01:41:15,949 --> 01:41:17,090
the super sage,

2856
01:41:18,750 --> 01:41:19,649
northern berry,

2857
01:41:20,430 --> 01:41:22,989
you know, peanut butter breath. You know, some

2858
01:41:22,989 --> 01:41:24,430
some of them are a little more mainstream

2859
01:41:24,430 --> 01:41:26,670
so people will recognize them. Mhmm. Some old

2860
01:41:26,670 --> 01:41:28,770
school stuff like the original Gorilla Glue.

2861
01:41:29,984 --> 01:41:30,965
We have,

2862
01:41:31,904 --> 01:41:32,725
High Tide,

2863
01:41:33,185 --> 01:41:34,404
which was an in house.

2864
01:41:34,704 --> 01:41:36,545
We have some some super sour d cross

2865
01:41:36,545 --> 01:41:38,704
with super silver haze. So it's Oh, that's

2866
01:41:38,704 --> 01:41:41,045
nice. You know, hay hazes aren't real mainstream.

2867
01:41:41,104 --> 01:41:42,704
You know, they've they've kind of been pushed

2868
01:41:42,704 --> 01:41:44,679
to the side and passed on. But,

2869
01:41:45,119 --> 01:41:47,359
you know, it delivers an amazing high. One

2870
01:41:47,359 --> 01:41:48,960
of my personal favorites, and it's one of

2871
01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:50,960
the hardest ones to grow, it's late season.

2872
01:41:50,960 --> 01:41:52,079
You have to, you know, give it an

2873
01:41:52,079 --> 01:41:54,260
extra month of attention. It's a low yielder,

2874
01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:57,219
mold prone. It's but it's it's a phenomenal

2875
01:41:57,439 --> 01:41:57,840
smoke,

2876
01:41:58,695 --> 01:41:59,994
is the sour lemon

2877
01:42:00,375 --> 01:42:02,155
mac. And it.

2878
01:42:02,534 --> 01:42:04,774
Wow. I mean, that one that one is

2879
01:42:04,774 --> 01:42:05,595
just insane.

2880
01:42:06,375 --> 01:42:08,715
Key lime jack, some Jack Herrera crosses.

2881
01:42:10,534 --> 01:42:12,429
You know, it's, you know, like I said,

2882
01:42:12,429 --> 01:42:14,829
we grew like 32 different flavors and I

2883
01:42:14,829 --> 01:42:16,189
haven't even smoked them all yet.

2884
01:42:16,750 --> 01:42:19,329
You know, I'm probably halfway, to be honest.

2885
01:42:19,550 --> 01:42:21,949
But but we do this for the people

2886
01:42:21,949 --> 01:42:24,775
because we understand there's diversity out there. And

2887
01:42:24,775 --> 01:42:26,775
I don't think a lot of the corporate

2888
01:42:26,775 --> 01:42:28,695
guys are doing that. They're just looking at

2889
01:42:28,695 --> 01:42:30,235
the top 10 most popular

2890
01:42:30,614 --> 01:42:32,775
on Leafly or whatever, and and that's what

2891
01:42:32,775 --> 01:42:34,614
they're going with. And what's so funny too

2892
01:42:34,614 --> 01:42:35,815
is that they're looking at that and then

2893
01:42:35,815 --> 01:42:37,574
they're growing it like crap. So it doesn't

2894
01:42:37,574 --> 01:42:40,315
taste like it's supposed to taste anyway. Right?

2895
01:42:40,500 --> 01:42:42,579
It's like, would you would you like high

2896
01:42:42,579 --> 01:42:43,880
testing maybe

2897
01:42:44,260 --> 01:42:47,560
Styrofoam tasting schlock weed with a cool name?

2898
01:42:48,500 --> 01:42:50,579
Well, I mean, even in house, like, I've

2899
01:42:50,579 --> 01:42:52,020
seen it. I've tried to cut corners in

2900
01:42:52,020 --> 01:42:53,539
the past, and it always bites you in

2901
01:42:53,539 --> 01:42:55,824
the ass. There's there's are certain things you've

2902
01:42:55,824 --> 01:42:57,264
got to put eyes on those plants. If

2903
01:42:57,264 --> 01:42:59,824
you you know, I'm out patrolling the gardens

2904
01:42:59,824 --> 01:43:01,984
every day. You know, you're looking for issues,

2905
01:43:01,984 --> 01:43:03,284
ground rodents, whatever,

2906
01:43:03,585 --> 01:43:05,764
chewing on this, maybe a deficiency, something,

2907
01:43:07,024 --> 01:43:07,685
you know.

2908
01:43:08,385 --> 01:43:10,645
And so you're constantly having to

2909
01:43:11,119 --> 01:43:13,840
be site specific daily. And if you're growing

2910
01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:14,739
60 acres,

2911
01:43:16,079 --> 01:43:18,079
corn road plants, that's that's a real hard

2912
01:43:18,079 --> 01:43:20,819
thing to do. And they're just they're expecting,

2913
01:43:21,039 --> 01:43:23,380
you know, X amount of yield per acre.

2914
01:43:23,444 --> 01:43:25,284
It's, you know, we call it Excel sheet

2915
01:43:25,284 --> 01:43:25,784
farming.

2916
01:43:26,724 --> 01:43:28,404
And and that's what you're going to get.

2917
01:43:28,404 --> 01:43:30,185
You know, if if if that's

2918
01:43:30,965 --> 01:43:33,944
if you're buying commodity, expect commodity experience.

2919
01:43:34,885 --> 01:43:36,484
But if you want something unique, you know,

2920
01:43:36,484 --> 01:43:37,920
you got to focus on these sun growing

2921
01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:40,260
farms. And and, honestly, like you said, the

2922
01:43:40,640 --> 01:43:42,880
the the our price points at retail are

2923
01:43:42,880 --> 01:43:43,699
actually cheaper.

2924
01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:46,079
You know, I've seen I've seen 60 to

2925
01:43:46,079 --> 01:43:47,119
$75

2926
01:43:47,119 --> 01:43:48,020
eights of indoor

2927
01:43:48,399 --> 01:43:49,939
that were grown commercially.

2928
01:43:50,399 --> 01:43:52,659
And I think, you know, we have, like,

2929
01:43:52,774 --> 01:43:54,234
you know, our $40

2930
01:43:54,454 --> 01:43:56,694
quarters of premium, and that's a retail value.

2931
01:43:56,694 --> 01:43:58,215
That's not to us, but that's, you know,

2932
01:43:58,215 --> 01:44:00,074
$40 retail value or pricing

2933
01:44:00,614 --> 01:44:01,974
for a quarter of of,

2934
01:44:02,774 --> 01:44:03,274
you

2935
01:44:03,895 --> 01:44:05,895
know, our hand picked stuff, you know, because

2936
01:44:05,895 --> 01:44:08,135
everything is hand touched, hand sorted. You know,

2937
01:44:08,135 --> 01:44:08,609
it's,

2938
01:44:09,649 --> 01:44:10,630
Hand trimmed,

2939
01:44:12,130 --> 01:44:13,429
grown at the right parcel,

2940
01:44:13,889 --> 01:44:15,189
you know, everything.

2941
01:44:16,130 --> 01:44:18,210
And and timing, and we do small batch

2942
01:44:18,210 --> 01:44:20,369
releases. So, you know, when we get the

2943
01:44:20,369 --> 01:44:22,335
order from HFF, well, you know, we'll trim

2944
01:44:22,335 --> 01:44:24,895
up fifteen, twenty pounds and get it to

2945
01:44:24,895 --> 01:44:27,614
market. And it's fresh and the terpenes are

2946
01:44:27,614 --> 01:44:30,034
sharp and the sell through is fast and

2947
01:44:30,095 --> 01:44:32,515
nothing's lagging sitting on shelves. And,

2948
01:44:33,135 --> 01:44:35,215
you know, you're not getting that oxidation. And

2949
01:44:35,215 --> 01:44:36,515
it's you know, I've

2950
01:44:36,900 --> 01:44:37,640
every every,

2951
01:44:38,180 --> 01:44:39,560
dispensary I've been in,

2952
01:44:39,860 --> 01:44:40,760
I'm just amazed

2953
01:44:41,539 --> 01:44:43,460
how much stuff has kinda went south on

2954
01:44:43,460 --> 01:44:45,300
the shelves that they haven't taken down yet.

2955
01:44:45,300 --> 01:44:45,800
Mhmm.

2956
01:44:46,659 --> 01:44:48,675
You know, hearing you describe it, like, you're

2957
01:44:48,835 --> 01:44:50,914
describing a perfect product to me. And I

2958
01:44:50,914 --> 01:44:53,154
understand. I am not the general market. Right?

2959
01:44:53,154 --> 01:44:55,094
But if the general market knew,

2960
01:44:55,395 --> 01:44:57,474
they would feel the same way. And it's

2961
01:44:57,474 --> 01:45:00,295
it's it's crazy how much of the survival

2962
01:45:00,675 --> 01:45:01,414
of the

2963
01:45:01,979 --> 01:45:03,520
American cannabis heartland

2964
01:45:04,460 --> 01:45:07,739
depends solely on education of the consumer. And

2965
01:45:07,739 --> 01:45:09,659
so that's what we're all doing. You know?

2966
01:45:09,659 --> 01:45:11,420
You're doing that when you market and when

2967
01:45:11,420 --> 01:45:13,020
you talk to poke. I'm doing that with

2968
01:45:13,020 --> 01:45:15,420
people on on on, you know, the Shaping

2969
01:45:15,420 --> 01:45:17,359
Fire program. I do that when I'm out,

2970
01:45:17,784 --> 01:45:19,625
you know, talking at conventions. All we're trying

2971
01:45:19,625 --> 01:45:21,385
to do is to get people to, you

2972
01:45:21,385 --> 01:45:24,284
know, open up their experience beyond the Budweisers.

2973
01:45:25,545 --> 01:45:26,045
Sure.

2974
01:45:26,505 --> 01:45:28,664
And there's a lot better experience out there

2975
01:45:28,664 --> 01:45:31,144
for the same price points, if not at

2976
01:45:31,144 --> 01:45:32,604
value right now. Mhmm.

2977
01:45:33,319 --> 01:45:35,960
So, you know, they can definitely sample some

2978
01:45:35,960 --> 01:45:37,579
really good sun grown,

2979
01:45:38,840 --> 01:45:41,000
and probably save some money. It's it's just

2980
01:45:41,000 --> 01:45:42,840
that cheap right now. We're we're hoping that

2981
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:44,840
that price point's got turns around a little

2982
01:45:44,840 --> 01:45:47,420
bit. I understand California's got a taxation problem.

2983
01:45:48,585 --> 01:45:49,885
You know? Yeah. It's

2984
01:45:50,185 --> 01:45:52,024
it's a lot easier to go to the

2985
01:45:52,024 --> 01:45:52,524
streets,

2986
01:45:53,145 --> 01:45:54,824
you know, and and money's tight all across

2987
01:45:54,824 --> 01:45:56,345
the state right now. But it's a lot

2988
01:45:56,345 --> 01:45:58,664
easier to go to the streets and and

2989
01:45:58,664 --> 01:46:00,524
go to an old plug that you trust

2990
01:46:00,880 --> 01:46:02,880
and skip the whole taxation process, you know.

2991
01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:05,600
And so we're we're trying to we're doing

2992
01:46:05,600 --> 01:46:07,140
everything we can to educate,

2993
01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:10,100
you know, get out

2994
01:46:11,039 --> 01:46:13,440
to events, you know, put faces to the

2995
01:46:13,440 --> 01:46:16,005
product, talk to the consumers one on one,

2996
01:46:16,085 --> 01:46:17,304
get around all the middlemen,

2997
01:46:17,925 --> 01:46:18,244
and,

2998
01:46:18,725 --> 01:46:20,324
you know, try to make an impact however

2999
01:46:20,324 --> 01:46:20,984
we can.

3000
01:46:22,564 --> 01:46:25,604
Wow. Alright. So so let's let's empower people

3001
01:46:25,604 --> 01:46:27,304
to actually find your flower.

3002
01:46:29,380 --> 01:46:32,680
Where can people look to find,

3003
01:46:33,140 --> 01:46:34,039
your flower?

3004
01:46:35,140 --> 01:46:37,960
So in California, our main retail partners Embark.

3005
01:46:38,100 --> 01:46:39,399
We work with Spark.

3006
01:46:40,739 --> 01:46:43,560
There's an there's numerous smaller individual stores,

3007
01:46:43,935 --> 01:46:44,755
flower company,

3008
01:46:45,534 --> 01:46:46,594
and they do delivery.

3009
01:46:48,494 --> 01:46:50,814
And, you know, those are statewide chains, you

3010
01:46:50,814 --> 01:46:53,375
know, flower companies in San Francisco, but Embark

3011
01:46:53,375 --> 01:46:54,994
and Spark are they're statewide.

3012
01:46:57,779 --> 01:46:58,599
And, you know,

3013
01:46:59,939 --> 01:47:01,560
and if it's a retail

3014
01:47:01,939 --> 01:47:04,020
partner that hasn't started carrying us yet, you

3015
01:47:04,020 --> 01:47:06,579
know, we are onboarded with Navis, which is

3016
01:47:06,579 --> 01:47:08,199
kind of like a bulk wholesaler

3017
01:47:08,659 --> 01:47:09,399
that deals

3018
01:47:09,779 --> 01:47:10,840
direct to retail.

3019
01:47:11,255 --> 01:47:13,434
So anybody in the state can carry us.

3020
01:47:13,814 --> 01:47:14,954
You know, so getting

3021
01:47:15,255 --> 01:47:17,255
the message out to them, you know, to

3022
01:47:17,255 --> 01:47:19,494
shop us from from NAB is is is

3023
01:47:19,494 --> 01:47:20,234
big also.

3024
01:47:21,175 --> 01:47:22,375
But yeah. So I mean, if you can

3025
01:47:22,375 --> 01:47:24,460
find it and Embark is everywhere. I mean,

3026
01:47:24,460 --> 01:47:26,939
that's, you know, Fresno, LA. You know, they're

3027
01:47:26,939 --> 01:47:27,920
all over the place.

3028
01:47:29,579 --> 01:47:31,659
So that that's our main retail partners right

3029
01:47:31,659 --> 01:47:32,159
now.

3030
01:47:32,939 --> 01:47:35,340
So, you know, people will be listening to

3031
01:47:35,340 --> 01:47:38,335
this show for years into the future because

3032
01:47:38,335 --> 01:47:41,215
the shaping fire episodes are evergreen. Right? So

3033
01:47:41,215 --> 01:47:43,475
so if if if somebody wants

3034
01:47:44,015 --> 01:47:44,175
to,

3035
01:47:45,614 --> 01:47:46,835
know where you are

3036
01:47:47,135 --> 01:47:48,975
when they hear this episode for the first

3037
01:47:48,975 --> 01:47:49,475
time,

3038
01:47:49,860 --> 01:47:51,460
is it better for them to go to

3039
01:47:51,460 --> 01:47:53,800
your to a website or to your Instagram

3040
01:47:53,939 --> 01:47:56,260
at full moon farm seven zero seven? Where's

3041
01:47:56,260 --> 01:47:58,100
the best place to keep up with you

3042
01:47:58,100 --> 01:47:59,860
as things evolve? Because we know they're gonna

3043
01:47:59,860 --> 01:48:00,360
evolve.

3044
01:48:01,140 --> 01:48:02,500
Sure. I mean, if they want if they

3045
01:48:02,500 --> 01:48:04,020
wanna see what we're up to and just

3046
01:48:04,020 --> 01:48:05,239
kinda catch our lifestyle

3047
01:48:05,635 --> 01:48:07,715
and what we're doing on the daily, you

3048
01:48:07,715 --> 01:48:09,715
know, full moon farm seven zero seven, absolutely,

3049
01:48:09,715 --> 01:48:10,454
on Instagram.

3050
01:48:11,475 --> 01:48:13,335
Humblefamilyfarms.com,

3051
01:48:13,635 --> 01:48:15,795
you know, as far as sales and products

3052
01:48:15,795 --> 01:48:16,774
that are coming up,

3053
01:48:17,155 --> 01:48:19,300
we don't we don't promote anything as far

3054
01:48:19,300 --> 01:48:21,380
as sales on on social media because we

3055
01:48:21,380 --> 01:48:23,460
don't wanna be taken down. Yeah. But, you

3056
01:48:23,460 --> 01:48:25,479
know, humblefamilyfarms.com,

3057
01:48:25,860 --> 01:48:26,360
absolutely.

3058
01:48:26,900 --> 01:48:27,800
Flower company,

3059
01:48:29,060 --> 01:48:31,034
they they host all of our products on

3060
01:48:31,034 --> 01:48:33,755
their their menus. So if you wanna see,

3061
01:48:33,755 --> 01:48:34,895
like, what's available

3062
01:48:35,835 --> 01:48:36,494
and where,

3063
01:48:37,034 --> 01:48:38,494
I would definitely go to HFF,

3064
01:48:39,835 --> 01:48:41,694
and and check out what they have.

3065
01:48:42,810 --> 01:48:44,429
But, you know, I'm I answer,

3066
01:48:44,889 --> 01:48:46,429
pretty much everything I can,

3067
01:48:46,889 --> 01:48:47,389
personally

3068
01:48:47,689 --> 01:48:50,090
from the Instagram, and I've had some some

3069
01:48:50,090 --> 01:48:53,449
really great conversations and some real real proper

3070
01:48:53,449 --> 01:48:54,429
questions from

3071
01:48:54,954 --> 01:48:56,255
the consumers, which

3072
01:48:56,875 --> 01:48:59,135
is, you know, uplifting to me because you're

3073
01:48:59,354 --> 01:49:02,554
you you you know that something's clicking and

3074
01:49:02,554 --> 01:49:04,475
people are maybe getting burned out on what

3075
01:49:04,475 --> 01:49:06,314
they're what they're seeing in other in other

3076
01:49:06,314 --> 01:49:07,215
areas. And

3077
01:49:08,260 --> 01:49:10,260
again, you know, you're just you're fighting one

3078
01:49:10,260 --> 01:49:12,420
step at a time. It's just every every

3079
01:49:12,420 --> 01:49:14,739
day just push forward. And, you know, one

3080
01:49:14,739 --> 01:49:16,739
more one more person that's educated, even if

3081
01:49:16,739 --> 01:49:18,899
not buying our products, if they're just focusing

3082
01:49:18,899 --> 01:49:20,579
on sun growing in general, like, we're not

3083
01:49:20,579 --> 01:49:22,975
just promoting us. We're promoting our neighbors too.

3084
01:49:22,975 --> 01:49:25,454
Like, it's Well, that's the beautiful beauty of

3085
01:49:25,454 --> 01:49:27,694
the coop of the Humboldt Family Farms. Right?

3086
01:49:27,694 --> 01:49:30,114
It's like it's like you've all banded together

3087
01:49:30,574 --> 01:49:32,335
so that you can do the things that

3088
01:49:32,335 --> 01:49:34,770
you do the best and then have some

3089
01:49:34,770 --> 01:49:37,329
of that distribution and outreach handled for you

3090
01:49:37,329 --> 01:49:39,170
so you can spend your time with the

3091
01:49:39,170 --> 01:49:40,609
plants, which is what we want you to

3092
01:49:40,609 --> 01:49:41,670
do as the farmer.

3093
01:49:42,369 --> 01:49:42,869
Right.

3094
01:49:43,250 --> 01:49:44,770
I you know, it's really akin to kinda

3095
01:49:44,770 --> 01:49:46,369
like walking into, like, a beer cave or

3096
01:49:46,369 --> 01:49:48,050
something, you know, if you like microbrews. You

3097
01:49:48,050 --> 01:49:50,704
know, it's just you're overwhelmed with with, you

3098
01:49:50,704 --> 01:49:52,704
know, quality brands right there. But, you know,

3099
01:49:52,704 --> 01:49:54,545
that's how it is in the Emerald Triangle

3100
01:49:54,545 --> 01:49:56,625
and Humboldt County. You know, you're just overwhelmed

3101
01:49:56,625 --> 01:49:57,445
with quality.

3102
01:49:58,225 --> 01:49:59,984
You know, I can I can go down

3103
01:49:59,984 --> 01:50:01,104
the road and a friend will reach in

3104
01:50:01,104 --> 01:50:03,039
his glove compartment box and just hand me

3105
01:50:03,039 --> 01:50:04,640
a bag of something he's got on that

3106
01:50:04,640 --> 01:50:06,400
just blows me away, you know? And it's

3107
01:50:06,400 --> 01:50:08,640
just everywhere you go, people really know what

3108
01:50:08,640 --> 01:50:09,920
they're doing. And if you're still in the

3109
01:50:09,920 --> 01:50:12,320
game at this point, after all the attrition

3110
01:50:12,320 --> 01:50:13,060
that's happened,

3111
01:50:14,284 --> 01:50:16,045
you better know what you're doing because you

3112
01:50:16,045 --> 01:50:17,885
have to have a quality product. You you

3113
01:50:17,885 --> 01:50:19,425
you can't survive without it.

3114
01:50:20,045 --> 01:50:21,564
Right on. Well,

3115
01:50:22,045 --> 01:50:24,364
let's wrap up with this, Nick. You know,

3116
01:50:25,085 --> 01:50:27,104
you and I have talked a lot about

3117
01:50:27,405 --> 01:50:29,939
the heart of of, you know,

3118
01:50:30,579 --> 01:50:33,319
American cannabis culture in Northern California

3119
01:50:33,699 --> 01:50:34,199
and

3120
01:50:34,659 --> 01:50:36,979
how times have changed over the years from,

3121
01:50:36,979 --> 01:50:39,779
you know, the the the the days of

3122
01:50:39,779 --> 01:50:41,380
your youth when,

3123
01:50:41,779 --> 01:50:44,425
enforcement and risk was high, but there was

3124
01:50:44,425 --> 01:50:45,784
a lot of joy in it and the

3125
01:50:45,784 --> 01:50:48,585
flower was really good and, you know, you

3126
01:50:48,585 --> 01:50:52,185
know, just the the arc of you growing

3127
01:50:52,185 --> 01:50:54,685
up and now, you know, having a license

3128
01:50:55,320 --> 01:50:58,460
and and trying to provide the same experience

3129
01:50:58,840 --> 01:50:59,979
to people now

3130
01:51:00,600 --> 01:51:03,239
that that that you and yours had during

3131
01:51:03,239 --> 01:51:06,199
the seventies and eighties and nineties before the

3132
01:51:06,199 --> 01:51:08,619
kind of the face of cannabis commoditization

3133
01:51:09,079 --> 01:51:09,579
happened.

3134
01:51:10,045 --> 01:51:11,505
You know, what is

3135
01:51:12,045 --> 01:51:13,885
what is it? What is what is what

3136
01:51:13,885 --> 01:51:15,904
is the plea? What is the message

3137
01:51:16,444 --> 01:51:19,344
that that you like to send to people

3138
01:51:19,804 --> 01:51:22,925
who are newish to cannabis or haven't really

3139
01:51:22,925 --> 01:51:23,664
thought about,

3140
01:51:24,364 --> 01:51:24,864
outdoor?

3141
01:51:25,500 --> 01:51:27,899
What is it that you sell them to

3142
01:51:27,899 --> 01:51:30,779
encourage them to to bring them in to

3143
01:51:30,779 --> 01:51:32,399
try your flower

3144
01:51:32,859 --> 01:51:35,199
once so they know what it's like?

3145
01:51:37,500 --> 01:51:39,679
You know, I think everything from our past,

3146
01:51:39,819 --> 01:51:40,399
you know,

3147
01:51:41,305 --> 01:51:44,524
that generational knowledge, that's just been our foundation.

3148
01:51:44,585 --> 01:51:46,425
You know, going forward, you know, we have

3149
01:51:46,425 --> 01:51:47,085
to adapt.

3150
01:51:47,625 --> 01:51:48,104
So,

3151
01:51:48,505 --> 01:51:50,185
you know, it's also listening to them. It's

3152
01:51:50,185 --> 01:51:51,784
not just trying to pitch something to them

3153
01:51:51,784 --> 01:51:53,944
and sell them on something. We just want

3154
01:51:53,944 --> 01:51:54,444
to

3155
01:51:54,829 --> 01:51:57,329
offer them the opportunity to have variety

3156
01:51:57,789 --> 01:51:58,529
and quality.

3157
01:51:59,069 --> 01:52:01,409
And we understand that, you know,

3158
01:52:01,869 --> 01:52:02,369
that

3159
01:52:02,829 --> 01:52:05,229
they are gonna have asks of their farmer,

3160
01:52:05,229 --> 01:52:07,545
their flower. So, you know, that's also, you

3161
01:52:07,545 --> 01:52:09,625
know, just even soak that question in them

3162
01:52:09,625 --> 01:52:11,145
is, like, what do they really want from

3163
01:52:11,145 --> 01:52:12,505
the flower? Are they happy with what they're

3164
01:52:12,505 --> 01:52:14,345
getting? Are they are they happy going to

3165
01:52:14,345 --> 01:52:16,265
the store and spending $80 and taking that

3166
01:52:16,265 --> 01:52:18,185
jar of whatever home? And at the end

3167
01:52:18,185 --> 01:52:19,704
of it, are they do they feel good

3168
01:52:19,704 --> 01:52:21,065
about it? You know, did it make them

3169
01:52:21,065 --> 01:52:21,725
feel good?

3170
01:52:22,719 --> 01:52:24,800
Or is there something better out there? You

3171
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:26,800
know, should I should I try something different?

3172
01:52:26,800 --> 01:52:28,099
Should I go a different avenue?

3173
01:52:28,880 --> 01:52:30,560
You know, and if they and, you know,

3174
01:52:30,560 --> 01:52:31,939
it's it's a very instantaneous

3175
01:52:32,319 --> 01:52:34,639
society right now. Everybody wants things now. Now.

3176
01:52:34,639 --> 01:52:36,239
Now. But, you know, if they take the

3177
01:52:36,239 --> 01:52:37,265
time to,

3178
01:52:38,524 --> 01:52:41,244
you know, look up their their brands, look

3179
01:52:41,244 --> 01:52:43,185
up the farms, kind of get the backstory,

3180
01:52:43,244 --> 01:52:44,524
which, you know, all I know a lot

3181
01:52:44,524 --> 01:52:46,524
of the small craft farms up here have

3182
01:52:46,524 --> 01:52:47,024
that

3183
01:52:47,485 --> 01:52:49,265
their their history online.

3184
01:52:50,460 --> 01:52:51,899
You know, take that time to do that,

3185
01:52:51,899 --> 01:52:53,119
you know, and

3186
01:52:53,579 --> 01:52:56,220
and and I I I always, you know,

3187
01:52:56,220 --> 01:52:57,979
the the culture of just sitting down and

3188
01:52:57,979 --> 01:53:00,220
taking a moment to grind your own flour,

3189
01:53:00,220 --> 01:53:01,920
to roll that joint, that ritual

3190
01:53:02,220 --> 01:53:04,649
of sharing the moment with somebody, you

3191
01:53:05,435 --> 01:53:06,875
know, that I feel like that's kinda getting

3192
01:53:06,875 --> 01:53:08,555
lost a little bit. Prerolls seem to be

3193
01:53:08,555 --> 01:53:10,734
selling so quickly right now, and it's like,

3194
01:53:10,954 --> 01:53:12,975
just take the time to grab some flour,

3195
01:53:13,435 --> 01:53:15,914
grind it up, smell it, examine it, you

3196
01:53:15,914 --> 01:53:17,994
know, really appreciate it for what it is.

3197
01:53:17,994 --> 01:53:19,949
Take the dry hit on that joint and

3198
01:53:19,949 --> 01:53:21,550
share it with somebody. Get outside and just

3199
01:53:21,550 --> 01:53:23,170
have have a moment. And,

3200
01:53:24,189 --> 01:53:25,869
you know, we would love to be the

3201
01:53:25,869 --> 01:53:27,469
flower that's there. And if it's not us,

3202
01:53:27,469 --> 01:53:29,550
you know, some other sun growing farm, you

3203
01:53:29,550 --> 01:53:31,229
know, please, you know, it's just it's just

3204
01:53:31,229 --> 01:53:32,350
that it's that,

3205
01:53:32,829 --> 01:53:35,255
mindset of of going back to the roots

3206
01:53:35,255 --> 01:53:36,074
of it all because

3207
01:53:36,375 --> 01:53:38,534
Sun Grown Farms, these these legacy guys, you

3208
01:53:38,534 --> 01:53:40,375
know, built this industry. They were fighting the

3209
01:53:40,375 --> 01:53:43,175
good fight when it wasn't legal to, when

3210
01:53:43,175 --> 01:53:45,895
it wasn't accepted socially accepted, you know. And,

3211
01:53:46,135 --> 01:53:48,659
they're still here trying to hang on. And,

3212
01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:51,920
you know, I'll tell you what, those those

3213
01:53:51,920 --> 01:53:54,399
corporate guys, they they don't care about you.

3214
01:53:54,399 --> 01:53:55,920
They care about the bottom line. They got

3215
01:53:55,920 --> 01:53:57,840
investors that they gotta, you know, own up

3216
01:53:57,840 --> 01:53:59,760
to first. You know, we're not we're not

3217
01:53:59,760 --> 01:54:01,059
venture capitalist funded.

3218
01:54:02,314 --> 01:54:04,395
So we're here for the people, and we're

3219
01:54:04,395 --> 01:54:06,234
on the same team. And we came out

3220
01:54:06,234 --> 01:54:09,435
of this, you know, decades ago to do

3221
01:54:09,435 --> 01:54:11,354
this for you now, and we're still here.

3222
01:54:11,354 --> 01:54:12,875
And there's a very few of us left,

3223
01:54:12,875 --> 01:54:14,074
and we would we would love to,

3224
01:54:14,795 --> 01:54:15,454
you know,

3225
01:54:15,909 --> 01:54:18,250
get that message out. Hell, yeah.

3226
01:54:18,710 --> 01:54:20,550
Well, Nick, thank you so much for sharing

3227
01:54:20,550 --> 01:54:23,670
your your stories and your good spirit. And,

3228
01:54:23,909 --> 01:54:26,090
and, you know, and, honestly, your your knowledge

3229
01:54:26,149 --> 01:54:28,569
since that you experienced all of this firsthand.

3230
01:54:28,949 --> 01:54:31,965
You know, we appreciate what you're doing. And

3231
01:54:31,965 --> 01:54:34,204
those of us who already are singing the

3232
01:54:34,204 --> 01:54:37,005
song of regenerative appreciate that you're still giving

3233
01:54:37,005 --> 01:54:38,604
it your best shot. And, of course, we're

3234
01:54:38,604 --> 01:54:40,685
wishing you your best luck to make it

3235
01:54:40,685 --> 01:54:42,604
through these these dry days,

3236
01:54:43,005 --> 01:54:46,064
to where more people can access your flower.

3237
01:54:47,000 --> 01:54:48,680
And and just thank you for coming and

3238
01:54:48,680 --> 01:54:50,440
spending your time with me on shaping fire.

3239
01:54:50,440 --> 01:54:53,180
You know, I have been a fan

3240
01:54:53,560 --> 01:54:55,979
of your farm for years now,

3241
01:54:56,360 --> 01:54:56,860
and,

3242
01:54:57,560 --> 01:54:59,595
I feel like I have been able to

3243
01:54:59,595 --> 01:55:02,715
kinda, like, really dig into something I personally

3244
01:55:02,715 --> 01:55:04,734
love. This show has definitely been a,

3245
01:55:07,114 --> 01:55:09,515
a favorite of mine. Right? Because this is

3246
01:55:09,515 --> 01:55:11,755
this is why I started doing the podcast

3247
01:55:11,755 --> 01:55:13,810
in the first place to really to really

3248
01:55:13,810 --> 01:55:16,210
give warmth to this plant that we love

3249
01:55:16,210 --> 01:55:18,050
so much. So thank you so much, man.

3250
01:55:18,050 --> 01:55:19,969
I really appreciate you and and you joining

3251
01:55:19,969 --> 01:55:21,189
me on Shaping Fire.

3252
01:55:21,810 --> 01:55:23,329
Man, thank you for giving a voice to

3253
01:55:23,329 --> 01:55:24,929
the industry and and doing it from a

3254
01:55:24,929 --> 01:55:26,850
proper place. You know? I I I love

3255
01:55:26,850 --> 01:55:28,154
where you're coming from. So,

3256
01:55:28,715 --> 01:55:30,154
I'm glad that I mean, you said you've

3257
01:55:30,154 --> 01:55:31,994
been doing this for a decade, so you're

3258
01:55:31,994 --> 01:55:35,194
you're doing something right. And, definitely, I I

3259
01:55:35,194 --> 01:55:36,715
hope this is here in, you know, ten

3260
01:55:36,715 --> 01:55:39,194
more years, and you're still doing this. Awesome,

3261
01:55:39,194 --> 01:55:41,210
dude. Thank you very much. Much. So dear

3262
01:55:41,210 --> 01:55:44,170
listener, if you want to, keep up on,

3263
01:55:44,409 --> 01:55:45,529
Full Moon Farms,

3264
01:55:45,850 --> 01:55:48,890
I highly recommend that you follow their really

3265
01:55:48,890 --> 01:55:49,390
enjoyable,

3266
01:55:50,250 --> 01:55:53,689
Instagram page at full moon farms seven zero

3267
01:55:53,689 --> 01:55:54,189
seven.

3268
01:55:54,664 --> 01:55:56,664
And, I also encourage you if you are

3269
01:55:56,664 --> 01:55:58,985
in California or if you're gonna be stopping

3270
01:55:58,985 --> 01:56:00,364
through, on vacation

3271
01:56:00,905 --> 01:56:02,104
to stop at,

3272
01:56:02,664 --> 01:56:04,985
one of their dispensaries and pick up one

3273
01:56:04,985 --> 01:56:06,989
of their flavors. And and, you know it's

3274
01:56:06,989 --> 01:56:08,289
it's mostly at Embark

3275
01:56:08,670 --> 01:56:10,909
but you can always find out where their

3276
01:56:10,909 --> 01:56:12,050
products are specifically

3277
01:56:12,670 --> 01:56:16,689
at the cooperative website at humboldtfamilyfarms.com.

3278
01:56:17,149 --> 01:56:18,909
You can find more episodes of the shaping

3279
01:56:18,909 --> 01:56:20,984
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3280
01:56:21,064 --> 01:56:22,185
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3281
01:56:22,185 --> 01:56:23,804
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3282
01:56:24,185 --> 01:56:26,024
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3283
01:56:26,024 --> 01:56:27,465
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3284
01:56:27,465 --> 01:56:29,324
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3285
01:56:29,704 --> 01:56:31,704
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3286
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3287
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3290
01:56:41,239 --> 01:56:43,000
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3292
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3293
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3294
01:56:50,204 --> 01:56:53,005
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3295
01:56:53,005 --> 01:56:53,664
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3296
01:56:54,045 --> 01:56:55,645
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3297
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3298
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3299
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3300
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3301
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3302
01:57:06,140 --> 01:57:08,140
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3303
01:57:08,140 --> 01:57:11,280
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