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Since the beginning, Shaping Fire has been about

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self sufficiency.

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Cannabis enthusiasts

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should not need the stores.

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They should just be a fun option.

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Sure, normalization of cannabis is helpful for staying

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out of jail for now, but it isn't

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always helpful in buying quality cannabis and cannabis

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preparations in the licensed market.

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Especially if you are a patient or a

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connoisseur.

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Especially if it is hash.

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Often, the mix of cannabis varieties and products

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in the market tend to be more about

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the convenience of the mega cannabis companies than

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the actual desires of consumers.

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While some states have excellent Hash rosin in

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the legal market,

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Hash rosin is one of the product areas

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where the small batch, unlicensed

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Hash Maker reigns supreme.

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If you can grow and squish, you are

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well on your way to creating something on

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par or better than the licensed market in

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most states.

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And damn, Hash rosin ain't cheap.

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Today's episode is offered to encourage you to

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take the leap and consider cultivating

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your own flower to supply your own hash.

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Sure, buy from the licensed system when you

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want, but never be beholden to it.

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Paying taxes on your hash ain't natural.

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If you want to learn about cannabis health,

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cultivation, and technique efficiently and with good cheer,

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You are listening to Shaping Fire and I

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am your host, Shango Los. Welcome to episode

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122.

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My guest today is Connor Terp Wizard.

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Connor, more commonly known as Terp Wizard, has

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been washing hash for a decade and cultivating

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even longer.

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His hash and his specialty genetics for making

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hash have won awards across the country and

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in Spain.

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Connoisseurs flock to his genetics for the taste

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and performance

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hash makers are looking for.

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We actually gave away a bunch of Turp

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Wizard seeds on Shaping Fire about six months

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ago. Great stuff.

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Connor has a culinary background and studied at

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Augusta Estoffier,

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but then found himself making edibles and in

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no time was cultivating flower and making your

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hash instead of your dinner.

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Today we will learn about cultivating flowers specifically

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for making hash.

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During the first set we will discuss the

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attributes of excellent hash and the flowers that

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make it. In the second set, we will

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focus on cultivation tips, garden design, and harvest

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timing. And we wrap up talking about yield

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calculations,

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dried flower hash versus fresh frozen, and handling

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plants post harvest.

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While prepping for this episode,

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Connor repeated something that passion for hashing

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once said on Hashish Inn.

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It's better to have a little bit of

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great hash than a whole lot of okay

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hash.

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Welcome to Shaping Fire, Connor.

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Thanks for having me, Shango. It's,

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been it was really cool to get asked

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to be on here. I've been listening to

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your show for years and have,

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gained a lot of knowledge from these episodes.

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So I'm I'm stoked to be here. Yeah.

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Thank you very much. It was it made

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me very happy when you said that it

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was on your bucket list to be on

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the show when I invited you because,

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I have a lot of respect for you

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and your work and, honestly, you as a

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person too. You know, we run-in some of

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the same scenes and,

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and, and you're you're a guy that, you

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know, folks universally like because of your nature.

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So thanks for joining us today on Shaping

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Fire,

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and let's dive right into it, man. You

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know,

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our goal here is to is to help

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everybody

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make better hash. Right? But let's let's get

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us all on the same page on what

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we mean by good hash.

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What would you say are the hash attributes

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commonly sought in the market right now by

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people who love hash?

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I think

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from a consumer side and a grower or

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processor side, those can be two different things.

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From the grower and processor side, we obviously

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want

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it to be viable in some nature. So

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depending on the environment you're growing in between

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indoors where there's a lot of extra costs

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with environmental control and and lighting and everything

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that comes with that versus maybe growing under

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the sun with little to no power bill,

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that viability can change.

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for, the cultivation and processing

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side, it would be

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focusing on, is it

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something

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that

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washes well, something that works for my growing

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style,

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something that

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is

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flavorful,

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a great expression,

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great representation of the parents or whatever

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you hunted or got.

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I think on both sides between the consumer

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and the processor and grower, we want it

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to, just be have that wow factor or

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be enjoyable. So

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opening the jar,

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you want the consistency

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usually to be a wetter.

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it seems like these days people are really

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focused on the color of the Hash two,

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so a generally lighter color in the blonde

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spectrum.

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And then a great nose, very clean

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on the nail or however you're deciding

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to smoke it.

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And then, you know, great taste and effect.

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I would say that's kinda like the whole

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thing that defines

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great hash, you know, summing it up kind

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of, and also trying to cover all the

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things that I about when

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looking for something that's,

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great.

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So one of the things that I noticed

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that you didn't mention is the test results.

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And, you know, as a lover of flower

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as I am,

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you know, we are constantly telling people,

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don't focus on the flower test results. Flow

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Focus on the terpene

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profile because the, you know, the turps and

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the esters shape

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the high in such a way that that,

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you know, just a high THC percentage is

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is totally a misnomer.

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it sounds to me that that, you know,

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you as a as a craft,

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hash rosin producer,

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you mentioned the parts that are key,

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color, consistency,

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taste, you know, a good expression of the

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of the parents, all that good stuff that

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makes for quality craft.

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Do you find that you are also put

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under pressure for the numbers,

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you know, when when you are selling into

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the market, or are are your

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are the people who enjoy your,

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hash, do they know better where where they

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they know that they're buying based on flavor

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and overall

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buzz experience

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versus a raw number?

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I don't think that the

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people that I'm working with

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are too concerned about that.

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Being on the caregiver and medical side, it's

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a little different for me. I don't necessarily

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see a lot of people

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testing.

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Unfortunately, the lab that we liked using

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over here,

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shut down

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due to,

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some circumstances I'm not aware about.

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But I I'm not too aware of people

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doing that on the carrier medical side, and

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I don't really know how that's perceived

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on,

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the the side where people are going to

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a store, whether that is medical or recreational.

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I don't think that those people are necessarily

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looking

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at numbers to dictate their choice. I think

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if you're able to check check out a

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jar,

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you know, you're basing it off of what

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you're getting

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visually and,

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through your your nose. And if you're lucky

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enough when you're getting you get to try

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it and then be like, oh, this is

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great. I'd love to get a jar. But

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I that's not happening at dispensaries these days,

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at least anywhere near us. Right on.

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You've attended a lot,

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more,

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hash competitions than I have. When you when

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when when you go to these hash competitions,

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are are people presenting,

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tests for that stuff, or or is is

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the is the potency,

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you know, an afterthought?

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It's from what I've seen, it's just an

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honor system, you know, that people will want

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you to enter clean stuff, and they just,

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you know, when you fill out some

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entry forms, they're just, you know, remind me

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that please be curious of that or, you

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know,

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that's as far as they ask for testing

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on that. And,

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I'm blanking on the second half of the

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question. That's right. You you you already answered

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it. It sound it sounds like since everybody

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is self reporting

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their potencies,

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it's just not super important. Because if if

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it was a key part of the voting,

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then then folks,

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you know, they wouldn't be self reported.

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And, the the impact of this, which I

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really like, is we know that,

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you know, the the Hash rosin community,

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tends to be, you know, an elite group

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of connoisseurs,

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and they've just moved past the test numbers.

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Because if if they're, you know, if they're

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if they're getting hash from somebody with an

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established name of Making Quality,

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they know that when they get the flavor

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and the smells and the and the expression

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and the color, that that the that the

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numbers are are going to be plenty good.

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And, and it and it's nice to see

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that, you know, evolving

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solidly

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in in a part of the cannabis scene

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because, you know, the scene as a whole

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is still trying to learn that flavor is

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everything. You know?

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Yeah. Well, I I remembered my thought about

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the competition side and potency,

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I'm on the second part of that. Mhmm.

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For

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my experience in a lot of these competitions,

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they're kind of just like a day or

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two, and you have to get through

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a fair amount of entries more than most

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people would smoke in a day. So potency

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really isn't,

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considered,

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for what is winning because you're going through

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such a high volume that you don't know

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if what you just felt was from the

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last stab you took or several back.

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So it when you're scoring things out,

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that's not really,

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a category

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because you don't have the proper time to

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really get the effect into it. I think

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more than that, there's, like, usually an extra

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category or something when you're scoring that's, like,

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a wow factor or something that was where

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it's, like, a couple points or nothing crazy.

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So you're, like, oh, wow. That really cut

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through in one way or another.

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But, you know, it's it's kinda hard if

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you're, you know, having to do 30 dads

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in a sitting and you're like, fuck. I

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don't know which one I just felt. Yeah.

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Talk about being a wreck at the end

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of the judging. My goodness. Yeah.

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So so for today, you know, the the

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the the world of hash is huge. Right?

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So I think that it's important for us

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to kinda narrow it down to so that

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people know what to expect. So,

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you know,

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the the the, you know, the the the

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primary types of hashes that that are around

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and available are are Hash rosin,

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temple balls, and and probably still BHO places.

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And and I am not here to, trash

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BHO in any way. Enjoy what you like.

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Grow and produce what you like. You'll find

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other people that like what you're producing. That's

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awesome. Don't hate on what everybody else is

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producing.

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But today, we're gonna be focusing on Hash

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rosin,

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because that's what Connor's specialty is, and and

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so that's what we're gonna focus on. So,

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you know, I I personally love rosin and

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temple balls. But again, temple balls are are

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not really what we're talking about today. So

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so we have love for temple balls and

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BHO may makers, but but we're we're we're

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we're focusing on rosin today, but but don't

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don't think that we're, like, excluding you as

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not, not relevant.

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So so, Connor,

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can a plant that doesn't smoke well as

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flower still make excellent hash? Because a lot

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of people just think, well, if you if

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you wanna make good hash, just take your

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best flower that you grow and just make

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hash with it. And and I I don't

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real while it can be that easy,

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I don't think that,

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an advanced hash maker is following that plan.

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No. Not at all. I've had the,

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pleasure of working with some other farmers.

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And before they're fully

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on board or know what

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we're looking for on our end,

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they'll, you know, be transitioning from growing for

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flower mainly and then wanting to,

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offer more, see what their plants can do

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on

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the,

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you know, washing side and and extraction side.

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And,

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yeah, they'll they'll be like, oh, this flower

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looks great. It's covered in trichomes. It's it's

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really nice. And then we wash it, and

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it just doesn't

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perform how we were expecting.

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And that, you know,

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comes down to maybe going out to their

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garden and looking at the plants and trying

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to get a feel for how the trichomes

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are.

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And, yeah, I found too, like, when we

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were switching over from primarily

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growing for flower versus, you know, washing freezing

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and washing everything,

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that

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some of these plants that you'd probably get

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rid of based on

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how maybe, like, area or the structure isn't

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what you're looking for are actually great for

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the extraction side because they offer a lot

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more surface area and allow for the

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trichomes to be really accessible and for the

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the heads,

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the glands to fall off very easily.

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Great. So we know that it is a

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unique process that,

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has got its own attributes. So

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let's talk about those attributes,

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because during the rest of the show, we're

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gonna be talking about how to

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improve and hit these attributes in a great

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way. So,

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what are the attributes that you look for

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in flower

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that makes

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excellent hash?

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Yeah. If you'd like, I can even go

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through kind of our process that starts from,

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like, when we pop a seed all the

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way to the end and, like, walk people

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through kinda

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the whole process instead of just focusing on

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flour. That sounds really good. Why don't you

404
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walk us through the process? That way people

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can really envision it in their brains.

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Yeah. So we go through a fair amount

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of seeds in a year. And as we're

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going through,

409
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because I'm working with a a higher volume,

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I'll, you know, pull out the weird ones,

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pull out the slower ones, and try to

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find very,

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vigorous growing plants from the vegetative state.

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And as we're working through,

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you know, they're getting bigger. And then we're

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taking a clone.

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And if it's easy to clone, that's another

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check on the box. I know sometimes from

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seed versus, further down the line the clone,

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that could change, but that's a great sign

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for us. So that's, like, another thing. I'm

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I'm willing to work with trickier plants, but

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the easier

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and the more healthy the the plant is

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from the start, the more likely I'd like

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to keep it around, and I think that's

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been great for us on the seed production

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side.

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So after we're kind of pulling these out

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of the vegetative state and and starting to,

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cull the herd, we'll get them into flower

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and start looking at,

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the growth traits

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in flower usually about halfway through. I don't

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wanna pull anything too early. Obviously, I'm I'm

436
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looking for any instability,

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anything that's showing intersex traits.

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Obviously, pulling males too if we're not trying

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to select for something like that.

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And then

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the later half of flower,

442
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I'll start feeling

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the

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the lower buds and trying to pinch them

445
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off in the last couple weeks to get

446
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an idea of what I'm experiencing

447
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with my nose,

448
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and then checking,

449
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my finger to see kind of what the

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trichomes

451
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are like.

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So, generally,

453
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there's kinda like three,

454
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trichome

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heads that I'll I'll experience in flower, and

456
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there's some stuff that's kinda like in between.

457
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There's like a very, greasy, almost like a,

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a lotion kind of when you when you're

459
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grabbing the flower. You'll see it, like, spread

460
00:17:02,279 --> 00:17:03,720
out on your finger. And if you have

461
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black gloves on, you won't see, like, any,

462
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trichomes.

463
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And those are really great for flower, but

464
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they're they're not

465
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what you wanna be growing for the extraction

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side. And then

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kind of the middle of the road is,

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a trich you'll start seeing the trichomes, and

469
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they'll kinda be somewhere between this lotion y,

470
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and the final would be like sandy. And

471
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these kind of trichomes, you'll, like, squeeze together

472
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and pull your finger,

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and it will be,

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what we're referring to as stringers. And those

475
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are starting to point in the direction that

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this plant would be good for an extraction

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process.

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And then finally the sandy trichome

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where there'd be something like maybe like a

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GMO. That's where we've seen a lot of

481
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that kind of sandy trichome. Those are a

482
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little bit harder to find.

483
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And those are super stable.

484
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You know, you'll still maybe get the stringer

485
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thing, but that would be like you touch

486
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it with the the black gloves once again,

487
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and you're seeing a ton of trichomes.

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So they're really,

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durable and able to stand up, and those

490
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are great

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for

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ice water extraction as well. And and though

493
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that middle stage where they're you're creating stringers

494
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and the sandy is where I wanna be

495
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for something

496
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that I would keep. So

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we'll pull out all the

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unfavorable profiles

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and kind of, like, lotion y,

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looking and and feeling resin.

501
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And then from there, we will

502
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I'm taking a lot of notes so I

503
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so I know later once I get those

504
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through flowered, but then we'll,

505
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jar test

506
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them. So because I'm doing these hunts in

507
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one gallons and trying to only use up

508
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a small footprint

509
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in my garden,

510
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I will

511
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just take a very

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small mason jar

513
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and fill it up with like five to

514
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seven grams and freeze that. And I'm removing

515
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any plant material that doesn't have any trichomes

516
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on it.

517
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Usually what I'll do is I'll let let

518
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them sit for twenty four hours and then

519
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come back the next morning

520
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and shake them. And I'm using a,

521
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attachment

522
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to, like, a jigsaw

523
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that kinda looks like a,

524
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a brace

525
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for a snowboard,

526
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and it's made for,

527
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shaking cans.

528
00:19:31,704 --> 00:19:33,704
So this thing is great for attaching and

529
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keeping the consistency

530
00:19:35,464 --> 00:19:37,704
of how the the shake is happening so

531
00:19:37,704 --> 00:19:39,460
that if I was doing it by hand,

532
00:19:39,460 --> 00:19:40,519
there'd be inconsistencies.

533
00:19:41,299 --> 00:19:43,400
And I'm trying to keep everything the same.

534
00:19:43,539 --> 00:19:45,079
So by using that tool,

535
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I knock out one variable,

536
00:19:48,099 --> 00:19:49,619
as long as all the settings on the

537
00:19:49,619 --> 00:19:51,255
tool set the same. And we do it

538
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for about a minute and let it let

539
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it sit for,

540
00:19:55,335 --> 00:19:56,855
maybe like a half hour to an hour.

541
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It doesn't really matter at that point as

542
00:19:58,295 --> 00:20:00,214
long as you let everything settle, and then

543
00:20:00,214 --> 00:20:00,955
we'll observe,

544
00:20:02,134 --> 00:20:04,695
the density of trichome heads. And whichever ones

545
00:20:04,695 --> 00:20:05,835
are looking the best,

546
00:20:06,169 --> 00:20:07,789
that's how we'll decide

547
00:20:08,089 --> 00:20:09,549
what we'd like to run again.

548
00:20:10,089 --> 00:20:11,230
And then from there,

549
00:20:11,609 --> 00:20:14,109
we'll run it again in a larger pot,

550
00:20:16,250 --> 00:20:17,309
get it through flour,

551
00:20:18,025 --> 00:20:19,464
observe it. I usually like to run it

552
00:20:19,464 --> 00:20:21,304
two times after we made the selection just

553
00:20:21,304 --> 00:20:23,865
in case there was something different, if the

554
00:20:23,865 --> 00:20:25,085
round wasn't optimal.

555
00:20:25,785 --> 00:20:27,724
And that's kinda how we've been making

556
00:20:29,224 --> 00:20:32,500
selections over the last couple years. It's really

557
00:20:32,500 --> 00:20:34,819
helped us get through a decent volume and

558
00:20:34,819 --> 00:20:36,200
and find some good stuff.

559
00:20:36,819 --> 00:20:38,900
And if for any reason I got through

560
00:20:38,900 --> 00:20:40,500
that and anyone listening to this has a

561
00:20:40,500 --> 00:20:42,119
question about specifics,

562
00:20:43,220 --> 00:20:45,059
I'm more than happy to go through that

563
00:20:45,059 --> 00:20:46,419
a little bit more and try to help

564
00:20:46,419 --> 00:20:48,424
people work through and make their

565
00:20:49,684 --> 00:20:52,085
selection process more efficient or at least show

566
00:20:52,085 --> 00:20:53,464
them what I'm doing.

567
00:20:54,005 --> 00:20:56,664
When you're putting together such a laborious process,

568
00:20:56,804 --> 00:20:59,204
it's no doubt that the product that comes

569
00:20:59,204 --> 00:21:00,345
out the other end

570
00:21:01,125 --> 00:21:01,625
is

571
00:21:02,329 --> 00:21:02,829
such,

572
00:21:03,529 --> 00:21:05,070
such a premium experience.

573
00:21:05,769 --> 00:21:07,450
It sound you know, if I'm if I'm

574
00:21:07,450 --> 00:21:09,769
following you correctly, you're you're doing a, you

575
00:21:09,769 --> 00:21:11,150
know, multiple selections

576
00:21:11,529 --> 00:21:13,609
in during the first cycle. And the first

577
00:21:13,609 --> 00:21:16,650
cycle is is essentially just plant selection, not

578
00:21:16,650 --> 00:21:18,015
even about making

579
00:21:18,554 --> 00:21:21,275
hash. So you you grow your plants. You

580
00:21:21,275 --> 00:21:23,454
make your selections. You've taken your clones.

581
00:21:24,234 --> 00:21:25,214
Then the winners,

582
00:21:25,914 --> 00:21:28,575
I'm assuming those those clones become mothers,

583
00:21:29,275 --> 00:21:29,755
and,

584
00:21:30,234 --> 00:21:32,549
and you you fill a room with those,

585
00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:33,910
and then it sounds like you grow that

586
00:21:33,910 --> 00:21:34,809
once or twice

587
00:21:35,190 --> 00:21:36,650
just to make sure that,

588
00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:39,029
you know, you're you're you're getting what you

589
00:21:39,029 --> 00:21:40,009
think you're getting.

590
00:21:40,470 --> 00:21:42,950
All of that before you actually even get

591
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:44,170
to making the hash.

592
00:21:44,549 --> 00:21:47,049
So so this is very much about

593
00:21:49,034 --> 00:21:51,595
making sure that when you get into the

594
00:21:51,595 --> 00:21:54,234
cold room and you're making your hash, that

595
00:21:54,234 --> 00:21:57,434
you already have the highest quality paints to

596
00:21:57,434 --> 00:21:58,815
paint with, if you will.

597
00:22:00,009 --> 00:22:02,089
Yeah. Just to clarify and to go a

598
00:22:02,089 --> 00:22:03,390
little bit deeper into that,

599
00:22:05,369 --> 00:22:07,929
after that initial clone selection from the first

600
00:22:07,929 --> 00:22:10,170
round of seed, we do run them in

601
00:22:10,170 --> 00:22:11,929
and those will go out to people. So

602
00:22:11,929 --> 00:22:13,849
after we've made that first selection and we've

603
00:22:13,849 --> 00:22:14,984
cloned off the original

604
00:22:15,384 --> 00:22:16,845
seed stock, those are now,

605
00:22:17,545 --> 00:22:19,384
at least past far enough to get out,

606
00:22:19,384 --> 00:22:20,605
and then we'll get more

607
00:22:20,904 --> 00:22:23,224
data from people. And that's how we'll we'll

608
00:22:23,224 --> 00:22:23,724
severely

609
00:22:24,184 --> 00:22:26,765
narrow the the herd from there.

610
00:22:27,144 --> 00:22:29,005
So for instance, let's say

611
00:22:30,559 --> 00:22:33,359
we're getting to go through a couple or

612
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:34,500
maybe a few dozen.

613
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,119
At the end, we'll end up with, you

614
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:38,339
know, a good run,

615
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:39,839
would be five.

616
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:41,920
You know, more than that, we have three

617
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:43,759
selections at the end of that process that

618
00:22:43,759 --> 00:22:44,924
would really stand out.

619
00:22:45,404 --> 00:22:46,144
And sometimes,

620
00:22:48,125 --> 00:22:49,025
just because

621
00:22:49,565 --> 00:22:51,644
it smells really good doesn't mean it's gonna

622
00:22:51,644 --> 00:22:53,505
translate. So that's why after

623
00:22:53,805 --> 00:22:55,265
that jar test process,

624
00:22:55,725 --> 00:22:57,965
which could also be enhanced by a tool

625
00:22:57,965 --> 00:22:58,865
called the ResinDial,

626
00:22:59,565 --> 00:23:00,045
which,

627
00:23:00,679 --> 00:23:02,059
one of my friends,

628
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:03,740
Simply Adam, makes.

629
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:04,940
And,

630
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:07,799
that you can run if you're doing a

631
00:23:07,799 --> 00:23:09,400
little bit bigger of a jar test, you

632
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,880
can run that through essentially a small bag

633
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:12,380
set

634
00:23:12,924 --> 00:23:15,005
and then for put those in the freeze

635
00:23:15,005 --> 00:23:17,404
dryer and get solid numbers because I'm just

636
00:23:17,404 --> 00:23:19,164
visually looking to be like, oh, this one

637
00:23:19,164 --> 00:23:21,404
looks the best off of just this first

638
00:23:21,404 --> 00:23:21,904
run,

639
00:23:22,285 --> 00:23:24,865
where that tool, the resin dial,

640
00:23:25,369 --> 00:23:27,610
can give you solid numbers to go off

641
00:23:27,610 --> 00:23:29,369
of. And I just haven't made it there

642
00:23:29,369 --> 00:23:31,789
because the scale of what we're doing is,

643
00:23:32,809 --> 00:23:34,890
doesn't make sense for me at this point.

644
00:23:34,890 --> 00:23:37,610
If we were selecting plants outside from seed

645
00:23:37,610 --> 00:23:39,789
and had much more material to work with,

646
00:23:40,394 --> 00:23:42,894
that would be something I'd wanna incorporate. Mhmm.

647
00:23:43,755 --> 00:23:44,234
So,

648
00:23:44,715 --> 00:23:47,195
let's break your process out a little bit

649
00:23:47,195 --> 00:23:49,434
into some of those attributes that we're looking

650
00:23:49,434 --> 00:23:51,455
for that makes good hash. So,

651
00:23:52,234 --> 00:23:53,529
you you know, at the top, we were

652
00:23:53,529 --> 00:23:55,789
talking about flavor, and and obviously,

653
00:23:56,250 --> 00:23:58,109
most people would put that at the top.

654
00:23:59,289 --> 00:23:59,789
And,

655
00:24:00,330 --> 00:24:01,710
I would assume

656
00:24:02,090 --> 00:24:03,470
that some flavors

657
00:24:03,849 --> 00:24:06,109
that show up in flour

658
00:24:06,704 --> 00:24:07,684
don't translate

659
00:24:08,065 --> 00:24:11,204
as well to a final product of hash.

660
00:24:11,984 --> 00:24:13,664
I mean, I make hash every year, but

661
00:24:13,664 --> 00:24:16,144
I I'm certainly not making hash several times

662
00:24:16,144 --> 00:24:18,484
a year like, you and your team are.

663
00:24:18,929 --> 00:24:21,829
So have you experienced that there are some,

664
00:24:22,690 --> 00:24:23,190
profiles

665
00:24:23,730 --> 00:24:27,509
that hash better than others because some flavor

666
00:24:27,569 --> 00:24:29,589
profiles just get lost in the wash?

667
00:24:31,490 --> 00:24:33,190
Yeah. I think that

668
00:24:33,775 --> 00:24:35,154
in my experience from

669
00:24:35,615 --> 00:24:37,315
my environment, what I've seen,

670
00:24:37,775 --> 00:24:40,275
it's a lot easier for me to find

671
00:24:40,654 --> 00:24:43,454
stuff in, like, the chem family that washes.

672
00:24:43,454 --> 00:24:44,974
It seems like when that is in the

673
00:24:44,974 --> 00:24:45,795
parent lineage,

674
00:24:46,174 --> 00:24:48,650
it's a good sign that that will wash.

675
00:24:48,650 --> 00:24:50,329
It's not always. It doesn't mean it's gonna

676
00:24:50,329 --> 00:24:52,329
be an amazing washer, but it seems like

677
00:24:52,329 --> 00:24:54,170
I've had really good luck when I have

678
00:24:54,170 --> 00:24:55,309
gone down that road

679
00:24:55,690 --> 00:24:56,990
and tried to hunt stuff

680
00:24:57,369 --> 00:24:59,769
that's in, like, the cam or some people

681
00:24:59,769 --> 00:25:02,365
might say that's gassy. That's where we're finding

682
00:25:02,365 --> 00:25:03,825
a lot of washers easily.

683
00:25:04,605 --> 00:25:06,845
And as of late, there's been a lot

684
00:25:06,845 --> 00:25:09,725
of people who have been focusing on fruity

685
00:25:09,725 --> 00:25:11,884
sides, and maybe that's just the filter stuff

686
00:25:11,884 --> 00:25:13,105
that I'm looking for.

687
00:25:13,490 --> 00:25:15,430
But it seems like a lot more profiles

688
00:25:15,650 --> 00:25:16,150
that

689
00:25:17,090 --> 00:25:18,230
maybe five,

690
00:25:18,769 --> 00:25:20,690
six, seven, eight years ago that were harder

691
00:25:20,690 --> 00:25:22,390
to find washers are getting,

692
00:25:23,090 --> 00:25:26,230
to become more common because people have made

693
00:25:26,964 --> 00:25:29,384
it their their, you know, work

694
00:25:29,764 --> 00:25:33,284
their dedication to getting that specifically, like, lemon.

695
00:25:33,284 --> 00:25:34,724
I've it seems like there's been a lot

696
00:25:34,724 --> 00:25:35,224
more,

697
00:25:36,644 --> 00:25:39,125
lemony profiles lately that people have been able

698
00:25:39,125 --> 00:25:41,684
to, you know, select traits to get it

699
00:25:41,684 --> 00:25:42,299
to wash.

700
00:25:42,779 --> 00:25:44,000
I think particularly

701
00:25:44,619 --> 00:25:46,860
in in my experience stuff that's been difficult

702
00:25:46,860 --> 00:25:49,019
to find as of late that I've been

703
00:25:49,019 --> 00:25:50,460
interested in finding is,

704
00:25:51,660 --> 00:25:52,960
stuff maybe in the more

705
00:25:53,340 --> 00:25:56,464
tropical fruit. So, like, specifically pineapple's been a

706
00:25:56,464 --> 00:25:58,404
really hard one for me to pin down,

707
00:25:59,585 --> 00:26:00,244
and then

708
00:26:00,625 --> 00:26:02,724
guava hasn't been the easiest either,

709
00:26:03,184 --> 00:26:05,744
and lime. Those are kind of those have

710
00:26:05,744 --> 00:26:08,144
been very evasive, and I've tried to select

711
00:26:08,144 --> 00:26:09,204
specific stuff

712
00:26:09,679 --> 00:26:11,940
that get me towards that goal,

713
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,359
and it's just been,

714
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:14,500
very,

715
00:26:15,839 --> 00:26:18,319
fruitless, or they'll end up turning up where

716
00:26:18,319 --> 00:26:20,720
you least expect them. We we have a

717
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:21,779
plant that's

718
00:26:22,244 --> 00:26:24,325
rounding the bend that will be harvested next

719
00:26:24,325 --> 00:26:26,505
year that sorry, next week

720
00:26:27,365 --> 00:26:27,765
that,

721
00:26:28,884 --> 00:26:31,045
is presenting a pineapple nose, which I didn't

722
00:26:31,045 --> 00:26:32,964
have that in the notes, and the parent

723
00:26:32,964 --> 00:26:34,109
lineage did not

724
00:26:35,549 --> 00:26:36,750
I did not think it would be in

725
00:26:36,750 --> 00:26:38,910
that realm of fruity. So it'll be interesting

726
00:26:38,910 --> 00:26:41,269
if it if once we get it washed

727
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:43,470
and through that whole process, if it will

728
00:26:43,470 --> 00:26:43,970
remain

729
00:26:44,990 --> 00:26:46,929
pineappley or if that will

730
00:26:47,255 --> 00:26:48,855
will change. But it is fun when that

731
00:26:48,855 --> 00:26:50,455
stuff turns up where you least expect it.

732
00:26:50,455 --> 00:26:51,894
You just wish you didn't have to waste

733
00:26:51,894 --> 00:26:54,134
all that, you know, money or effort to

734
00:26:54,134 --> 00:26:56,295
get there. Yeah. It's a numbers game though,

735
00:26:56,295 --> 00:26:58,375
man. You can't you you gotta you gotta

736
00:26:58,375 --> 00:27:00,695
open up a lot of beans to to

737
00:27:00,695 --> 00:27:04,149
find accidental magic, you know. I also like

738
00:27:04,149 --> 00:27:07,269
I also liked the delightful unintentional pun you

739
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:08,329
gave there about

740
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:11,349
not finding the tropical flavors you want and

741
00:27:11,349 --> 00:27:12,730
that search being fruitless.

742
00:27:13,109 --> 00:27:13,769
Oh, that's

743
00:27:15,174 --> 00:27:16,634
top shelf pun right there.

744
00:27:17,015 --> 00:27:19,015
So let's talk about what the flowers look

745
00:27:19,015 --> 00:27:20,154
like. Right? Because,

746
00:27:21,494 --> 00:27:24,475
since you are going to wash them,

747
00:27:24,934 --> 00:27:28,215
they don't really need bag appeal because they

748
00:27:28,215 --> 00:27:29,529
are not going to be going into the

749
00:27:29,529 --> 00:27:30,670
market in bags.

750
00:27:31,690 --> 00:27:34,509
And and yet, there are some key attributes

751
00:27:34,970 --> 00:27:37,529
to how the flower looks that really do

752
00:27:37,529 --> 00:27:38,349
play a role

753
00:27:39,049 --> 00:27:41,130
in hashing. So will you talk a bit

754
00:27:41,130 --> 00:27:41,630
about

755
00:27:42,684 --> 00:27:45,644
flower structure and its importance in in getting

756
00:27:45,644 --> 00:27:46,625
something that dumps?

757
00:27:48,045 --> 00:27:50,285
Yeah. I don't think this is the the

758
00:27:50,285 --> 00:27:52,545
case for everything, but generally,

759
00:27:53,325 --> 00:27:54,865
the stuff that does better

760
00:27:55,610 --> 00:27:58,009
has a more spread out structure. So what

761
00:27:58,009 --> 00:27:59,529
I touched on a little bit earlier was,

762
00:27:59,529 --> 00:28:00,029
like,

763
00:28:00,410 --> 00:28:01,470
that that openness

764
00:28:01,850 --> 00:28:03,390
creates more surface area,

765
00:28:04,009 --> 00:28:07,850
and having a higher coverage of trichomes in

766
00:28:07,850 --> 00:28:08,350
general

767
00:28:08,775 --> 00:28:09,515
will help,

768
00:28:10,535 --> 00:28:11,355
with the

769
00:28:11,974 --> 00:28:14,775
with the extraction side. So we do have

770
00:28:14,775 --> 00:28:17,335
some varieties that would probably be great for

771
00:28:17,335 --> 00:28:18,934
flower if that's what we're doing, you know,

772
00:28:18,934 --> 00:28:19,434
really

773
00:28:20,134 --> 00:28:21,674
putting down a lot of weight,

774
00:28:23,849 --> 00:28:26,910
but maybe not washing the best because they

775
00:28:27,450 --> 00:28:27,950
don't

776
00:28:29,289 --> 00:28:31,150
have that openness to

777
00:28:31,609 --> 00:28:32,109
easily

778
00:28:32,490 --> 00:28:34,579
access the the trichome heads or

779
00:28:38,555 --> 00:28:39,055
yeah.

780
00:28:39,355 --> 00:28:41,615
Right on. You know, it, while

781
00:28:42,075 --> 00:28:43,375
autoflowers certainly,

782
00:28:44,955 --> 00:28:47,695
gather a lot of shade from from folks,

783
00:28:47,914 --> 00:28:50,414
it's one of the interesting attributes of autoflowers

784
00:28:50,715 --> 00:28:53,059
that the flowers are so open.

785
00:28:53,839 --> 00:28:54,319
And,

786
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:55,460
you know,

787
00:28:56,079 --> 00:28:57,059
in in

788
00:28:57,519 --> 00:28:58,740
learning about autoflowers

789
00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:02,419
and teaching it to parent not parents, patients,

790
00:29:03,679 --> 00:29:04,500
about autoflowers

791
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,980
because they're very easy to grow.

792
00:29:07,595 --> 00:29:10,174
You know, I've I've grown hundreds and hundreds

793
00:29:10,315 --> 00:29:12,555
of autoflowers and and usually at the end

794
00:29:12,555 --> 00:29:13,214
of the season,

795
00:29:13,835 --> 00:29:16,714
we take, everything at the demo farm and

796
00:29:16,714 --> 00:29:18,894
we just run it all together as hash,

797
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,159
because it's very enjoyable that way. And it

798
00:29:22,159 --> 00:29:24,720
startled the team when they when they ran

799
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,000
the first round of autoflowers because they just

800
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:28,500
d'omped.

801
00:29:29,359 --> 00:29:31,839
And, you know, the hash was, like like,

802
00:29:31,839 --> 00:29:33,299
better than decent too,

803
00:29:33,904 --> 00:29:36,884
but it it shocked everybody because the natural

804
00:29:37,025 --> 00:29:38,325
open flower

805
00:29:38,704 --> 00:29:40,865
of that you get in most auto flowers

806
00:29:40,865 --> 00:29:41,845
just makes those,

807
00:29:42,704 --> 00:29:44,404
trichomes really accessible.

808
00:29:44,944 --> 00:29:47,190
And so, you know, it takes a flower

809
00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:48,890
that many would consider ugly

810
00:29:49,269 --> 00:29:51,429
and and uses it in a way that,

811
00:29:51,429 --> 00:29:53,589
you know, is kind of more appropriate for

812
00:29:53,589 --> 00:29:54,409
its expression.

813
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:56,710
So another really important thing I think we

814
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:58,730
should talk about is the trending

815
00:30:00,305 --> 00:30:02,865
lighter color that is very popular in Hash

816
00:30:02,865 --> 00:30:04,005
Rosin right now.

817
00:30:04,305 --> 00:30:05,984
And I must admit, I'm coming at this

818
00:30:05,984 --> 00:30:08,244
with probably a little bit of prejudice because,

819
00:30:08,865 --> 00:30:11,904
I am more attuned towards temple balls and

820
00:30:11,904 --> 00:30:13,765
the Frenchy cannoli kind of style.

821
00:30:14,299 --> 00:30:15,039
And so,

822
00:30:15,419 --> 00:30:16,720
I was brought up believing

823
00:30:17,019 --> 00:30:17,919
that the

824
00:30:18,299 --> 00:30:20,859
the trichomes are ripe when they are starting

825
00:30:20,859 --> 00:30:23,660
to become amber, and I like that that

826
00:30:23,660 --> 00:30:25,359
stoniness buzz and,

827
00:30:25,900 --> 00:30:27,555
it's just how it's always been for me.

828
00:30:28,035 --> 00:30:30,375
And yet the the trending

829
00:30:31,475 --> 00:30:33,075
in hash rosin is it for it to

830
00:30:33,075 --> 00:30:34,695
have more of a a creamy,

831
00:30:35,315 --> 00:30:38,134
you know, yellowish white color sometimes.

832
00:30:38,835 --> 00:30:40,775
And for me when I see that,

833
00:30:41,075 --> 00:30:42,900
I think, oh, these are under ripe ripe

834
00:30:42,900 --> 00:30:45,619
trichomes. These are these are these have missed

835
00:30:45,619 --> 00:30:47,960
their potential by not being allowed to go

836
00:30:48,140 --> 00:30:49,320
farther. And,

837
00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:52,740
and and some hasharos and producers I've talked

838
00:30:52,740 --> 00:30:54,980
to, they will they will tell me that,

839
00:30:54,980 --> 00:30:57,474
well, you know, some some plants are creamier

840
00:30:57,474 --> 00:30:59,554
than others. Some need to get more amber

841
00:30:59,554 --> 00:31:01,474
than others, and it's really something that they

842
00:31:01,474 --> 00:31:03,335
do in response to the plant.

843
00:31:03,714 --> 00:31:05,554
But then there are commercial people that I

844
00:31:05,554 --> 00:31:07,875
know who are making larger volumes, and they're

845
00:31:07,875 --> 00:31:09,654
all like, no. We cut everything early,

846
00:31:10,650 --> 00:31:12,730
because we've got to have that that, you

847
00:31:12,730 --> 00:31:14,350
know, light color in the market.

848
00:31:14,890 --> 00:31:15,390
So,

849
00:31:15,930 --> 00:31:17,769
I'm asking you to kinda educate all of

850
00:31:17,769 --> 00:31:20,330
us because I recognize my prejudice here towards

851
00:31:20,330 --> 00:31:22,890
the towards the temple balls. What do you

852
00:31:22,890 --> 00:31:23,789
think about

853
00:31:24,285 --> 00:31:26,065
the lighter color trend?

854
00:31:26,845 --> 00:31:29,164
Do you think that these plants are being

855
00:31:29,164 --> 00:31:29,664
harvested

856
00:31:30,285 --> 00:31:31,505
unripe and

857
00:31:31,805 --> 00:31:34,525
and the the it might work better, might

858
00:31:34,525 --> 00:31:36,205
taste better, might be a better experience if

859
00:31:36,205 --> 00:31:37,984
they are let to go longer?

860
00:31:38,419 --> 00:31:40,339
Or do you think that people are just

861
00:31:40,339 --> 00:31:42,200
selecting plants that finish,

862
00:31:42,900 --> 00:31:46,200
creamier and with less amber? As somebody who's

863
00:31:46,259 --> 00:31:48,279
choosing plants for this all the time,

864
00:31:48,740 --> 00:31:51,220
I'm guessing that you have, further insight than

865
00:31:51,220 --> 00:31:52,740
I do as somebody who just throws everything

866
00:31:52,740 --> 00:31:53,835
into temple walls.

867
00:31:55,115 --> 00:31:56,494
Yeah. I think it was

868
00:31:56,875 --> 00:31:58,815
a a learning curve for me when,

869
00:31:59,115 --> 00:32:01,835
you know, initially growing for for flower and,

870
00:32:01,835 --> 00:32:04,255
you know, pulling things based off,

871
00:32:05,835 --> 00:32:06,335
amber

872
00:32:07,194 --> 00:32:08,575
percentage or, you know,

873
00:32:09,279 --> 00:32:11,200
what we were looking for with with that

874
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:12,019
under scopes

875
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,640
versus now, you know, we're looking for a

876
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:15,619
cloudy stage.

877
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:16,740
And

878
00:32:17,119 --> 00:32:19,920
indoors and outdoors or under a greenhouse, that's

879
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,839
a little bit different of a process how

880
00:32:21,839 --> 00:32:23,619
we're how we're doing that.

881
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,134
I had forgot to mention earlier that part

882
00:32:27,134 --> 00:32:27,634
of

883
00:32:28,174 --> 00:32:29,954
that second round of selection

884
00:32:30,255 --> 00:32:31,875
is making sure the plant

885
00:32:32,494 --> 00:32:32,994
is,

886
00:32:34,414 --> 00:32:35,555
excuse me, harvestable

887
00:32:35,934 --> 00:32:36,755
in a,

888
00:32:37,250 --> 00:32:40,230
like, fifty five day, fifty six day window

889
00:32:40,289 --> 00:32:42,450
because that's what works for our our indoor

890
00:32:42,450 --> 00:32:43,750
setup and and cycle.

891
00:32:44,369 --> 00:32:47,269
And I believe that by doing that

892
00:32:47,809 --> 00:32:49,970
in the long run, because I'm also making

893
00:32:49,970 --> 00:32:50,835
seeds of these selections,

894
00:32:54,994 --> 00:32:57,954
for sure for indoors, that's not necessarily always

895
00:32:57,954 --> 00:33:01,095
the fact outside because it's not dictated by

896
00:33:01,315 --> 00:33:03,394
you flipping the lights to a different light

897
00:33:03,394 --> 00:33:03,894
cycle.

898
00:33:04,759 --> 00:33:06,200
But as far as, like, what we're looking

899
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:06,859
at outside,

900
00:33:08,039 --> 00:33:10,599
I'm I'm scoping everything and looking for that

901
00:33:10,599 --> 00:33:11,579
cloudy stage.

902
00:33:12,039 --> 00:33:13,339
And I think,

903
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,259
yeah, because of how

904
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,720
the the market is and people want it

905
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,419
lighter, that's where we've

906
00:33:20,045 --> 00:33:22,684
gone. But I I think too you have

907
00:33:22,684 --> 00:33:23,585
to think about

908
00:33:24,285 --> 00:33:27,804
trichome ripeness and maybe flower ripeness as maybe

909
00:33:27,804 --> 00:33:28,865
two different things.

910
00:33:29,484 --> 00:33:31,404
Because like you were saying, if you were

911
00:33:31,404 --> 00:33:33,904
to select or pull something for flower

912
00:33:34,339 --> 00:33:36,200
when you're, like, clear or cloudy,

913
00:33:36,900 --> 00:33:39,140
that maybe wouldn't be the full potential or

914
00:33:39,140 --> 00:33:42,839
the, you know, medicinal effect that you're after.

915
00:33:43,619 --> 00:33:46,900
But because you're discarding the flower and only

916
00:33:46,900 --> 00:33:47,400
smoking

917
00:33:47,804 --> 00:33:48,544
the glands,

918
00:33:48,845 --> 00:33:50,384
the the trichome heads,

919
00:33:52,365 --> 00:33:55,164
you're you're selecting a different part of the

920
00:33:55,164 --> 00:33:56,304
plant to

921
00:33:56,684 --> 00:33:57,825
highlight and and

922
00:33:58,365 --> 00:33:59,744
enjoy. So I think

923
00:34:00,250 --> 00:34:02,809
those are maybe you kinda gotta think about

924
00:34:02,809 --> 00:34:04,730
that in a different way. And, like, I

925
00:34:04,730 --> 00:34:06,329
I believe French cannoli would refer to the

926
00:34:06,329 --> 00:34:07,630
glands as, like, grapes.

927
00:34:08,089 --> 00:34:09,849
You know, you're trying to, you know, pick

928
00:34:09,849 --> 00:34:12,489
a a perfect grape. And if that's what

929
00:34:12,489 --> 00:34:14,385
you're interested in is the the glands, you

930
00:34:14,385 --> 00:34:16,324
gotta be looking at that and not necessarily

931
00:34:16,385 --> 00:34:16,885
the

932
00:34:17,344 --> 00:34:18,164
the flower.

933
00:34:19,425 --> 00:34:20,864
So I'm gonna I'm gonna push you on

934
00:34:20,864 --> 00:34:22,144
this a little bit to get a better

935
00:34:22,144 --> 00:34:24,405
understanding because when I smoke flower,

936
00:34:24,704 --> 00:34:27,744
I'm smoking plant material with glands on them.

937
00:34:27,744 --> 00:34:29,364
And then when I

938
00:34:29,980 --> 00:34:30,480
volatilize

939
00:34:31,260 --> 00:34:31,739
the,

940
00:34:32,059 --> 00:34:32,559
biochemicals

941
00:34:32,940 --> 00:34:35,660
in the oil in the resin, I inhale

942
00:34:35,660 --> 00:34:36,160
that.

943
00:34:36,860 --> 00:34:38,460
And that's the same thing that we're doing

944
00:34:38,460 --> 00:34:40,640
with the hash, though. Right? We're we're taking

945
00:34:46,375 --> 00:34:48,375
and and we're combusting it. I mean, unless

946
00:34:48,375 --> 00:34:50,454
we're I guess, unless we're vaping. But isn't

947
00:34:50,454 --> 00:34:53,114
that the same thing? What what is the

948
00:34:53,175 --> 00:34:55,755
what is the difference between those two experiences?

949
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,679
Yeah. That's a good question. I just think

950
00:35:00,679 --> 00:35:02,760
that the way that I'm I'm looking at

951
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,239
it and in my perspective is that the

952
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,659
way we would harvest for flower versus

953
00:35:08,359 --> 00:35:10,539
hash is is different at the current moment.

954
00:35:11,164 --> 00:35:12,445
I don't know if I have the best,

955
00:35:12,445 --> 00:35:14,525
like, scientific answer to give you. That's not

956
00:35:14,525 --> 00:35:17,085
the perspective or lens that I am going

957
00:35:17,085 --> 00:35:17,585
through.

958
00:35:18,284 --> 00:35:20,445
I'm just more or less saying tell you

959
00:35:20,445 --> 00:35:22,525
how I select, and I'm trying to think

960
00:35:22,525 --> 00:35:23,344
on the fly

961
00:35:23,930 --> 00:35:25,950
of how to maybe give you

962
00:35:26,570 --> 00:35:28,890
how my head is or brain is processing

963
00:35:28,890 --> 00:35:30,730
this and thinking between the two. Let me

964
00:35:30,730 --> 00:35:32,329
let me try changing the direction of the

965
00:35:32,329 --> 00:35:34,329
question because I think maybe this has something

966
00:35:34,329 --> 00:35:35,150
to do with it.

967
00:35:36,090 --> 00:35:38,164
Do you select for color

968
00:35:38,465 --> 00:35:39,844
differently for market

969
00:35:40,144 --> 00:35:42,385
than you would if you were not going

970
00:35:42,385 --> 00:35:44,785
to market and just toking it with your

971
00:35:44,785 --> 00:35:47,025
friends? Like, do you do you go with

972
00:35:47,025 --> 00:35:49,184
the lighter colors because that's what the market

973
00:35:49,184 --> 00:35:50,565
wants, but but

974
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,219
in your craftsman self, you actually think that

975
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:55,980
going a little

976
00:35:56,679 --> 00:35:58,300
more amber is actually

977
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,559
a better experience overall? I'm not trying to

978
00:36:01,559 --> 00:36:02,840
put words in your mouth. I'm just trying

979
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:03,659
to get a delineation.

980
00:36:04,965 --> 00:36:07,525
No. Yeah. That's that's a good question. I

981
00:36:07,525 --> 00:36:09,625
mean, it's been a long time since I've,

982
00:36:10,485 --> 00:36:11,224
ran something

983
00:36:11,525 --> 00:36:12,345
super long.

984
00:36:12,805 --> 00:36:14,724
I think when we did have a cut

985
00:36:14,724 --> 00:36:17,364
of GMO, I would run it, you know,

986
00:36:17,364 --> 00:36:20,559
seventy days versus like ninety or something.

987
00:36:21,179 --> 00:36:24,079
And I think that the color definitely changed,

988
00:36:24,219 --> 00:36:25,280
not drastically.

989
00:36:26,300 --> 00:36:29,099
And I think that the medicinal effect was

990
00:36:29,099 --> 00:36:29,599
similar,

991
00:36:30,140 --> 00:36:30,960
but not

992
00:36:33,755 --> 00:36:35,755
not crazy. And that's just my that was

993
00:36:35,755 --> 00:36:36,735
just my experience.

994
00:36:37,195 --> 00:36:39,035
I think there's a second part of that

995
00:36:39,035 --> 00:36:40,954
question that I'm I'm planking on that I

996
00:36:40,954 --> 00:36:41,434
wanted to,

997
00:36:43,275 --> 00:36:43,994
answer, but,

998
00:36:44,555 --> 00:36:46,235
maybe it'll come to me a couple of

999
00:36:46,235 --> 00:36:47,215
you later, but.

1000
00:36:48,099 --> 00:36:50,260
Alright. Well, one more question before we go

1001
00:36:50,260 --> 00:36:51,480
to our first break.

1002
00:36:52,900 --> 00:36:54,500
You you said that you tend to focus

1003
00:36:54,500 --> 00:36:57,480
on plants that can be, ready for harvest

1004
00:36:57,699 --> 00:36:59,800
in fifty six days of flower.

1005
00:37:00,500 --> 00:37:01,559
Do you find

1006
00:37:01,940 --> 00:37:02,440
that

1007
00:37:02,864 --> 00:37:04,644
you get more of certain

1008
00:37:05,025 --> 00:37:08,144
types of trichomes in plants that are ready

1009
00:37:08,144 --> 00:37:09,525
at fifty six days

1010
00:37:09,905 --> 00:37:12,144
than you do in plants that are ready

1011
00:37:12,144 --> 00:37:14,405
at seventy days, for example?

1012
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:16,980
I'm just guessing

1013
00:37:17,359 --> 00:37:18,500
that you would have

1014
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:20,420
trichomes

1015
00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:22,019
that are

1016
00:37:22,599 --> 00:37:23,099
are,

1017
00:37:24,159 --> 00:37:26,179
easier, I guess, for the plant to produce

1018
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,159
since they've got two weeks less to do

1019
00:37:28,159 --> 00:37:28,659
it.

1020
00:37:31,765 --> 00:37:33,605
I'm not sure if this is due to

1021
00:37:33,605 --> 00:37:35,385
the fact that we are

1022
00:37:36,085 --> 00:37:36,985
running them,

1023
00:37:37,445 --> 00:37:40,164
less time or if this is just the

1024
00:37:40,164 --> 00:37:41,945
nature of what we've been

1025
00:37:43,769 --> 00:37:44,269
presented

1026
00:37:44,570 --> 00:37:46,989
from from our selections or environmental

1027
00:37:47,289 --> 00:37:50,410
factors or or the medium or what we're

1028
00:37:50,410 --> 00:37:53,130
feeding them. But it seems to be we're

1029
00:37:53,130 --> 00:37:54,750
finding more of the

1030
00:37:55,764 --> 00:37:58,025
the stringer variety somewhere in the

1031
00:37:58,485 --> 00:38:00,025
the the greasy but not lotion.

1032
00:38:00,324 --> 00:38:02,244
And we're not finding a lot of sandy

1033
00:38:02,244 --> 00:38:04,244
stuff that that one's super hard for us

1034
00:38:04,244 --> 00:38:06,025
to find. And maybe some other folks

1035
00:38:06,485 --> 00:38:07,304
who are

1036
00:38:07,684 --> 00:38:09,684
letting the plant go longer are finding that

1037
00:38:09,684 --> 00:38:10,744
their heads are

1038
00:38:11,180 --> 00:38:12,800
responding differently. They're,

1039
00:38:13,900 --> 00:38:16,700
getting more stable or or less. I don't

1040
00:38:16,700 --> 00:38:19,019
think that changes a whole bunch. Like, when

1041
00:38:19,019 --> 00:38:22,140
I'm sometimes I'll I'll test plants in week

1042
00:38:22,140 --> 00:38:23,440
four to see if they're,

1043
00:38:25,724 --> 00:38:27,824
you know, that lotion y type of trichome.

1044
00:38:27,964 --> 00:38:30,204
And if I see that, I'm I'm fairly

1045
00:38:30,204 --> 00:38:32,204
confident that that's not gonna change. So I

1046
00:38:32,204 --> 00:38:34,045
sometimes will pull stuff in week four that

1047
00:38:34,045 --> 00:38:34,545
I'm

1048
00:38:35,005 --> 00:38:36,464
thinking that looks a little,

1049
00:38:37,404 --> 00:38:39,824
not favorable to what I'm after. So

1050
00:38:40,599 --> 00:38:41,880
it's hard for me to say. I guess

1051
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,659
I'd have to do a side by side

1052
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,480
in front of me to be like, oh,

1053
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:46,219
this plant,

1054
00:38:46,599 --> 00:38:48,940
the trichome attributes change. But,

1055
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,059
yeah, that that's just kinda what we're experiencing

1056
00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:52,780
and seeing.

1057
00:38:53,375 --> 00:38:55,775
Right on. Cool. Well, we're gonna go ahead

1058
00:38:55,775 --> 00:38:57,295
and take a short break and be right

1059
00:38:57,295 --> 00:38:59,775
back, and we're gonna talk more about choosing

1060
00:38:59,775 --> 00:39:00,594
your genetics.

1061
00:39:00,974 --> 00:39:03,135
You are listening to Shaping Fire, and my

1062
00:39:03,135 --> 00:39:04,675
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1063
00:39:05,070 --> 00:39:07,390
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1064
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1066
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1067
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1068
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1069
00:39:22,654 --> 00:39:24,355
category all by itself.

1070
00:39:25,054 --> 00:39:27,554
Nearly all compost you can buy is thermophilic,

1071
00:39:28,014 --> 00:39:30,335
meaning that the compost pile has been heated

1072
00:39:30,335 --> 00:39:32,275
in order to destroy all the pathogens.

1073
00:39:33,079 --> 00:39:36,219
This composting process leaves you with only thermophilic

1074
00:39:36,519 --> 00:39:38,780
organisms while killing everything else.

1075
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,760
Living compost from Kingdom Aquaponics is never heated

1076
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,039
above a 15

1077
00:39:44,039 --> 00:39:44,539
degrees,

1078
00:39:44,864 --> 00:39:47,425
So it still thrives with the phosphate and

1079
00:39:47,425 --> 00:39:48,644
potassium solubilizers,

1080
00:39:49,344 --> 00:39:49,844
degraders,

1081
00:39:50,144 --> 00:39:52,784
and decomposers along with the more advanced nutrient

1082
00:39:52,784 --> 00:39:53,764
cycling organisms.

1083
00:39:54,545 --> 00:39:56,945
But you might be thinking, Shango, if the

1084
00:39:56,945 --> 00:39:59,309
compost is never heated, isn't it filled with

1085
00:39:59,309 --> 00:40:01,170
pathogens that might hurt my garden?

1086
00:40:02,110 --> 00:40:03,969
All of Layton's compost components

1087
00:40:04,269 --> 00:40:07,309
are specifically chosen and pre processed to remove

1088
00:40:07,309 --> 00:40:07,809
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1089
00:40:08,110 --> 00:40:09,809
before the cool mesophilic

1090
00:40:10,110 --> 00:40:11,250
composting process.

1091
00:40:11,844 --> 00:40:14,405
The mushroom substrate he uses is sterilized in

1092
00:40:14,405 --> 00:40:15,704
advance for growing mushrooms.

1093
00:40:16,085 --> 00:40:18,405
The wood fines are from shredded kiln dried

1094
00:40:18,405 --> 00:40:21,144
lumber and that kiln heat removes any pathogens.

1095
00:40:21,525 --> 00:40:24,085
And the repurposed Coco Coir is sterilized with

1096
00:40:24,085 --> 00:40:25,545
heat in advance too.

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Welcome back. You are listening to Shaping Fire.

1200
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I am your host, Shango Los, and my

1201
00:45:04,190 --> 00:45:07,090
guest today is hash maker, Connor Terp Wizard.

1202
00:45:07,390 --> 00:45:09,469
So before the break, we were talking a

1203
00:45:09,469 --> 00:45:10,369
lot about,

1204
00:45:11,309 --> 00:45:14,110
the types of trichomes that develop on plants

1205
00:45:14,110 --> 00:45:16,444
that go fifty six days and

1206
00:45:16,744 --> 00:45:18,125
and how you are

1207
00:45:18,585 --> 00:45:20,045
hunting your own seeds

1208
00:45:20,904 --> 00:45:23,065
to find winners that that you want to

1209
00:45:23,065 --> 00:45:25,224
use to run hash. But let's talk for

1210
00:45:25,224 --> 00:45:26,364
a minute about,

1211
00:45:26,744 --> 00:45:28,869
for folks who are choosing

1212
00:45:29,250 --> 00:45:29,750
their

1213
00:45:30,130 --> 00:45:32,869
genetics that other people have made. Right?

1214
00:45:33,570 --> 00:45:35,570
Because I am sure that you have got

1215
00:45:35,570 --> 00:45:36,070
some

1216
00:45:36,369 --> 00:45:38,630
good suggestions for things to look for

1217
00:45:38,930 --> 00:45:41,750
when using seeds that are not yours.

1218
00:45:42,284 --> 00:45:44,204
So so if you would, kind of speak

1219
00:45:44,204 --> 00:45:46,764
to this idea of of, you know, the

1220
00:45:46,764 --> 00:45:48,625
breeders and types of strains

1221
00:45:50,605 --> 00:45:54,045
that might have a higher ratio of hashers

1222
00:45:54,045 --> 00:45:55,824
in them where people should look.

1223
00:45:57,500 --> 00:45:59,119
Yeah. It seems like a few people

1224
00:45:59,500 --> 00:46:01,519
are, like, solely hunting

1225
00:46:01,980 --> 00:46:03,280
for stuff that washes.

1226
00:46:04,219 --> 00:46:04,719
And

1227
00:46:05,420 --> 00:46:07,440
it seems like there's a couple

1228
00:46:08,059 --> 00:46:08,559
repeat

1229
00:46:08,940 --> 00:46:10,799
genetics that seem to be

1230
00:46:12,864 --> 00:46:14,085
used in order to,

1231
00:46:15,264 --> 00:46:17,844
you know, have a higher probability of washing.

1232
00:46:17,984 --> 00:46:18,484
And

1233
00:46:20,704 --> 00:46:22,464
I think I touched on maybe one of

1234
00:46:22,464 --> 00:46:24,065
them on the earlier ones, and and more

1235
00:46:24,065 --> 00:46:26,440
of these things keep coming up as time

1236
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:26,940
goes

1237
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:27,739
on.

1238
00:46:28,119 --> 00:46:28,599
But,

1239
00:46:29,079 --> 00:46:31,160
yeah, I I talked briefly about, like, the

1240
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,559
chem lineage and and GMO that seems to

1241
00:46:33,559 --> 00:46:34,300
be very,

1242
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:35,500
popular

1243
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:36,860
for washability,

1244
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,099
finding those, like, sandier profiles.

1245
00:46:42,644 --> 00:46:45,605
Also, you know, there's a Bloom Seedco seems

1246
00:46:45,605 --> 00:46:46,184
to be

1247
00:46:46,805 --> 00:46:49,765
the the the popular person for for washers

1248
00:46:49,765 --> 00:46:51,385
at the moment. Seems like everyone

1249
00:46:51,925 --> 00:46:52,824
that I know

1250
00:46:53,125 --> 00:46:53,625
and

1251
00:46:54,510 --> 00:46:56,829
seem to be beginning to know is running

1252
00:46:56,829 --> 00:46:57,809
some of their gear.

1253
00:46:59,390 --> 00:47:01,550
As of late or, you know, they were

1254
00:47:01,550 --> 00:47:03,309
they were running a lot of strawberry guava.

1255
00:47:03,309 --> 00:47:05,070
That seems to be a pretty decent washer.

1256
00:47:05,070 --> 00:47:07,309
It keeps repeating and and making itself in

1257
00:47:07,309 --> 00:47:07,809
there.

1258
00:47:08,144 --> 00:47:10,465
In the past, you know, Tropicana cookies, I

1259
00:47:10,465 --> 00:47:11,204
know for

1260
00:47:11,744 --> 00:47:12,804
a second maybe,

1261
00:47:13,105 --> 00:47:15,824
Orange got a little bit overdone, that profile,

1262
00:47:15,824 --> 00:47:18,065
and that seems to come in waves. You

1263
00:47:18,065 --> 00:47:20,244
know, Superboof is a really popular

1264
00:47:20,780 --> 00:47:23,599
version that reminds you of, like, Tangier, Tropicana

1265
00:47:23,980 --> 00:47:25,039
kinda in that realm.

1266
00:47:26,219 --> 00:47:28,139
There there's a a fair amount. I would

1267
00:47:28,139 --> 00:47:28,639
say

1268
00:47:29,339 --> 00:47:30,239
when you're starting

1269
00:47:30,699 --> 00:47:31,199
to

1270
00:47:32,300 --> 00:47:34,684
go down the rabbit hole of buying seeds

1271
00:47:34,744 --> 00:47:36,744
to maybe do a little research, those more

1272
00:47:36,744 --> 00:47:38,765
popular ones will have more info online.

1273
00:47:39,224 --> 00:47:42,344
And if you're seeing some, like, metric or

1274
00:47:42,344 --> 00:47:45,545
recreational or or bigger companies run those genetics

1275
00:47:45,545 --> 00:47:46,985
and release a lot of it, that might

1276
00:47:46,985 --> 00:47:48,059
be a good way to be like, okay.

1277
00:47:48,059 --> 00:47:50,539
There's probably something going on, but that's a

1278
00:47:50,539 --> 00:47:51,920
good probability washing

1279
00:47:52,539 --> 00:47:54,539
and doing your research on who's making it

1280
00:47:54,539 --> 00:47:55,280
in the environment.

1281
00:47:55,820 --> 00:47:58,320
Because I know, for me, I like supporting

1282
00:47:59,180 --> 00:48:00,400
more of the DEM,

1283
00:48:01,660 --> 00:48:03,599
community when I can for,

1284
00:48:04,434 --> 00:48:07,315
finding genetics because not only are they, you

1285
00:48:07,315 --> 00:48:07,815
know,

1286
00:48:08,355 --> 00:48:11,255
running unique projects that you won't

1287
00:48:12,355 --> 00:48:14,355
find anywhere else, like, some people are doing

1288
00:48:14,355 --> 00:48:17,414
preservation projects, some people are just, like, multiple

1289
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:19,940
generations of breeding their own stuff.

1290
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,820
Super unique. But it also will work outside

1291
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:24,340
and,

1292
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,519
depending on where your climate is, would probably

1293
00:48:27,519 --> 00:48:29,860
last pretty good and is a generally hardy

1294
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:31,300
plant. So,

1295
00:48:32,015 --> 00:48:34,974
yeah, I'm digging. I'm trying to find as

1296
00:48:34,974 --> 00:48:36,974
much info I can on the parent lineage

1297
00:48:36,974 --> 00:48:39,055
when starting, and and Google's a great tip

1298
00:48:39,055 --> 00:48:41,215
for that and and or great place to

1299
00:48:41,215 --> 00:48:42,755
start and as well as Instagram.

1300
00:48:43,375 --> 00:48:45,454
And then trying to do some research, and

1301
00:48:45,454 --> 00:48:47,315
if you can, talk to the person

1302
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:49,639
making the seeds to figure out a little

1303
00:48:49,639 --> 00:48:51,960
bit more about their situation, what they're growing

1304
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:52,460
for,

1305
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,839
where they're at, how they're making the seeds.

1306
00:48:54,839 --> 00:48:55,579
And I think

1307
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,199
that's maybe a great way to to start

1308
00:48:58,199 --> 00:49:01,079
and do your research as a seed buyer

1309
00:49:01,079 --> 00:49:01,819
to be like,

1310
00:49:02,155 --> 00:49:04,335
okay, you know, this guy

1311
00:49:04,954 --> 00:49:06,974
is producing the same thing

1312
00:49:07,355 --> 00:49:09,855
I am. They're they're going for hash production.

1313
00:49:10,635 --> 00:49:12,175
And they, you know

1314
00:49:12,474 --> 00:49:14,075
when I was lucky enough to go to

1315
00:49:14,075 --> 00:49:15,055
Spain, I

1316
00:49:15,659 --> 00:49:17,839
met Doc Hayes who was

1317
00:49:19,179 --> 00:49:21,420
hunting for a lot of line profiles. I

1318
00:49:21,420 --> 00:49:23,920
got to smell the female of his,

1319
00:49:25,339 --> 00:49:27,900
male that he used and experience what he

1320
00:49:27,900 --> 00:49:29,339
was selecting for, and I knew he was

1321
00:49:29,339 --> 00:49:31,119
already a very talented hash maker.

1322
00:49:31,715 --> 00:49:33,315
And we're just getting to those now, so

1323
00:49:33,315 --> 00:49:35,074
I'm hoping that because of all the hard

1324
00:49:35,074 --> 00:49:37,015
work and time and similar,

1325
00:49:37,875 --> 00:49:39,655
process he does that that will translate

1326
00:49:40,515 --> 00:49:42,675
into what we find. I find more than

1327
00:49:42,675 --> 00:49:43,175
not,

1328
00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:45,920
if the practices are the same, a lot

1329
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:47,519
of those things come a lot easier in

1330
00:49:47,519 --> 00:49:48,339
the long run.

1331
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,119
For the folks who are not familiar with

1332
00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:54,239
the term DEM that Connor used, that's a

1333
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:54,739
dragonfly

1334
00:49:55,119 --> 00:49:58,175
earth medicine, which a is a an environmental

1335
00:49:58,474 --> 00:49:58,974
certification

1336
00:49:59,434 --> 00:49:59,934
for,

1337
00:50:00,795 --> 00:50:03,695
both the cleanliness of the cannabis product, also,

1338
00:50:04,635 --> 00:50:06,094
not using synthetics,

1339
00:50:06,875 --> 00:50:09,675
and and and growing in ways that are

1340
00:50:09,675 --> 00:50:10,815
in line with,

1341
00:50:11,434 --> 00:50:11,934
environmental

1342
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:12,900
stewardship.

1343
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:14,239
Do you think that's a do you think

1344
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,400
that's a fair way to to capsulize it,

1345
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:16,900
Connor?

1346
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:19,920
Yeah. I think that's if people are interested,

1347
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:21,699
they can look more into it. There's definitely,

1348
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:24,239
more you can do on that go down

1349
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:25,440
that rabbit hole, but I think that's a

1350
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,300
great way to to sum it up and

1351
00:50:28,275 --> 00:50:30,355
be efficient about it. Yeah. Very good. And,

1352
00:50:30,594 --> 00:50:32,135
the the you know, there are other,

1353
00:50:32,594 --> 00:50:33,094
environmental,

1354
00:50:34,194 --> 00:50:34,694
certifications

1355
00:50:34,994 --> 00:50:37,335
out there, but, in in in my experience,

1356
00:50:37,554 --> 00:50:38,375
DEM is

1357
00:50:39,234 --> 00:50:40,934
of a level level of elite

1358
00:50:41,554 --> 00:50:42,755
all its own because,

1359
00:50:43,530 --> 00:50:45,929
it's it's more than just don't use synthetics.

1360
00:50:45,929 --> 00:50:48,090
It's a it's a whole vibe that goes

1361
00:50:48,090 --> 00:50:49,849
along with it. And your farm is Dem

1362
00:50:49,849 --> 00:50:51,230
certified. Right, Connor?

1363
00:50:52,489 --> 00:50:52,989
Correct.

1364
00:50:53,369 --> 00:50:54,349
That's an achievement.

1365
00:50:55,695 --> 00:50:58,414
Yeah. It took some serious work and moving

1366
00:50:58,414 --> 00:50:59,155
out here,

1367
00:50:59,855 --> 00:51:02,015
we had that goal in mind to to

1368
00:51:02,015 --> 00:51:03,614
do that. So we were we looked for

1369
00:51:03,614 --> 00:51:05,635
that prop this property to

1370
00:51:05,934 --> 00:51:07,075
to do that. And,

1371
00:51:07,980 --> 00:51:09,900
yeah, they do offer both indoor and out

1372
00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:11,659
at the moment, but when we got certified,

1373
00:51:11,659 --> 00:51:12,639
they only did,

1374
00:51:13,659 --> 00:51:16,300
outdoors. So our outdoor farm is certified. We

1375
00:51:16,300 --> 00:51:18,059
grow the same way indoors and out, but

1376
00:51:18,059 --> 00:51:20,139
we just don't have that extra we haven't

1377
00:51:20,139 --> 00:51:22,105
had anyone come out to certify our our

1378
00:51:22,105 --> 00:51:23,945
indoor, but the outdoor one was what we

1379
00:51:23,945 --> 00:51:25,085
were we were,

1380
00:51:25,385 --> 00:51:27,465
you know, going for when we moved out

1381
00:51:27,465 --> 00:51:30,025
here. Right on. So, yeah, let's let's continue

1382
00:51:30,025 --> 00:51:32,425
that that direction of the conversation about about

1383
00:51:32,425 --> 00:51:33,945
the new space that you set up and

1384
00:51:33,945 --> 00:51:35,704
then you were able to do your garden

1385
00:51:35,704 --> 00:51:36,204
design

1386
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,039
for Hash. You know, I'm curious. Are there

1387
00:51:39,039 --> 00:51:41,780
any changes to your garden design or arrangement

1388
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,079
for growing plants for Hash? The only one

1389
00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:46,340
I could think of is perhaps leaving

1390
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:48,500
extra wide rows

1391
00:51:48,945 --> 00:51:51,505
so that you can cut lead quickly do

1392
00:51:51,505 --> 00:51:53,204
the cut and freeze process

1393
00:51:53,664 --> 00:51:54,485
instead of

1394
00:51:55,025 --> 00:51:57,025
when you're just gonna let it hang dry

1395
00:51:57,025 --> 00:52:00,085
and cure. Sometimes we cut a little more

1396
00:52:00,224 --> 00:52:02,945
slowly and, you know, put them directly into

1397
00:52:02,945 --> 00:52:03,925
bins or whatever.

1398
00:52:04,659 --> 00:52:07,079
But but that's that's that's me just extrapolating.

1399
00:52:07,300 --> 00:52:09,699
So so when you design your garden, did

1400
00:52:09,699 --> 00:52:12,280
you design anything into it specifically

1401
00:52:12,820 --> 00:52:14,679
because you were gonna be making hash?

1402
00:52:18,739 --> 00:52:19,230
I think

1403
00:52:20,155 --> 00:52:22,175
I don't think I designed anything

1404
00:52:22,635 --> 00:52:24,414
per se differently. I think,

1405
00:52:26,875 --> 00:52:27,375
that

1406
00:52:27,914 --> 00:52:30,494
between building one greenhouse and the next,

1407
00:52:30,795 --> 00:52:32,335
I definitely left myself

1408
00:52:32,715 --> 00:52:33,929
more room to work

1409
00:52:34,889 --> 00:52:37,130
By doing one big bed and not having

1410
00:52:37,130 --> 00:52:37,710
a lot

1411
00:52:38,409 --> 00:52:38,909
of

1412
00:52:40,250 --> 00:52:41,609
space on the side, it made it a

1413
00:52:41,609 --> 00:52:43,609
little bit harder to move. So as you

1414
00:52:43,609 --> 00:52:45,289
go, I guess that would be designed. I

1415
00:52:45,289 --> 00:52:46,969
just I got my brain wouldn't think of

1416
00:52:46,969 --> 00:52:49,025
it like that. But as you go, you

1417
00:52:49,025 --> 00:52:51,444
realize, oh, shoot. This would be done better

1418
00:52:51,824 --> 00:52:54,144
this way or whatnot. So that this our

1419
00:52:54,144 --> 00:52:57,184
most recent greenhouse build, there's a huge walkway

1420
00:52:57,184 --> 00:52:58,385
in the middle. So you can put a

1421
00:52:58,385 --> 00:52:58,885
table.

1422
00:52:59,264 --> 00:53:02,065
And we don't like to really the the

1423
00:53:02,065 --> 00:53:02,565
less

1424
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:05,050
touching of the plant, the less,

1425
00:53:06,150 --> 00:53:08,309
you know, touching of the trichomes, the better

1426
00:53:08,309 --> 00:53:09,929
because all that extra movement

1427
00:53:10,309 --> 00:53:12,890
is knocking off what you've tried so hard

1428
00:53:12,949 --> 00:53:14,170
to grow and,

1429
00:53:14,949 --> 00:53:16,010
you know, preserve.

1430
00:53:16,710 --> 00:53:19,864
So we try to get our plants down

1431
00:53:19,864 --> 00:53:22,184
in a window of, like, ideally, it'd be

1432
00:53:22,184 --> 00:53:24,425
thirty minutes or less. An hour's okay. You

1433
00:53:24,425 --> 00:53:25,864
know, at the end of the season when

1434
00:53:25,864 --> 00:53:27,164
the nights are super cold,

1435
00:53:28,105 --> 00:53:29,244
sometimes it goes

1436
00:53:29,625 --> 00:53:31,065
a little bit longer than that, but we

1437
00:53:31,065 --> 00:53:32,664
try to get it down as quick as

1438
00:53:32,664 --> 00:53:33,164
possible.

1439
00:53:33,950 --> 00:53:35,550
I'd like to figure out maybe more how

1440
00:53:35,550 --> 00:53:37,070
to get the whole plant down at once.

1441
00:53:37,070 --> 00:53:37,570
But,

1442
00:53:38,430 --> 00:53:40,510
we're we're usually taking chunks out, you know,

1443
00:53:40,510 --> 00:53:43,309
being very careful about how the jute trellis

1444
00:53:43,309 --> 00:53:44,910
is cut. And then,

1445
00:53:45,390 --> 00:53:47,309
each of us are taking a stock that's

1446
00:53:47,309 --> 00:53:49,425
manageable and working through it and and trimming

1447
00:53:49,425 --> 00:53:50,485
off the,

1448
00:53:51,265 --> 00:53:53,664
families mainly and then just getting the rest

1449
00:53:53,664 --> 00:53:56,305
in in in buckets. Indoors, I think I

1450
00:53:56,305 --> 00:53:58,465
I think we I'm trying to remember. It's

1451
00:53:58,465 --> 00:53:58,965
been

1452
00:53:59,744 --> 00:54:01,824
a a few years now since I've grown

1453
00:54:01,824 --> 00:54:03,344
for flower, but I feel like when I

1454
00:54:03,344 --> 00:54:05,280
was doing that, the trim up method had

1455
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,619
changed a little bit from how we,

1456
00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:10,079
how much we were cleaning up on one

1457
00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:12,160
versus the other. And I I can't remember

1458
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:13,360
for the life of me if it was

1459
00:54:13,519 --> 00:54:15,840
I was leaving more for flower or less,

1460
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:16,340
but,

1461
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,114
if it was a more recent transition, I'm

1462
00:54:19,114 --> 00:54:20,315
sure I would have been able to to

1463
00:54:20,315 --> 00:54:21,934
touch on that a little bit more.

1464
00:54:22,714 --> 00:54:24,655
I know that because of the Dem certification

1465
00:54:25,034 --> 00:54:27,675
and your personal interest that that, you know,

1466
00:54:27,675 --> 00:54:29,855
you're growing into living soil

1467
00:54:30,155 --> 00:54:32,954
and you're using organic amendments and and all

1468
00:54:32,954 --> 00:54:34,460
of the kind of regenerative,

1469
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:36,380
minded cultivation.

1470
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,639
I'm curious if you have the experience to

1471
00:54:39,639 --> 00:54:40,699
speak to though,

1472
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,960
if you've noticed any difference in wash yield

1473
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,000
or quality when you use organic living soil

1474
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,164
versus salt based nutrients? I'm not sure if

1475
00:54:49,164 --> 00:54:51,324
you had a bottle period in your life

1476
00:54:51,324 --> 00:54:52,864
that to speak to this or not.

1477
00:54:54,444 --> 00:54:55,824
I did, but unfortunately,

1478
00:54:56,444 --> 00:54:59,164
I didn't I wasn't washing much during that

1479
00:54:59,164 --> 00:54:59,664
period.

1480
00:55:00,204 --> 00:55:00,364
The

1481
00:55:01,210 --> 00:55:03,289
it was more of a favorable flower market

1482
00:55:03,289 --> 00:55:05,530
at that time and because of, you know,

1483
00:55:05,530 --> 00:55:07,289
it takes a little bit of time to

1484
00:55:07,289 --> 00:55:07,789
develop

1485
00:55:08,489 --> 00:55:08,730
a,

1486
00:55:10,329 --> 00:55:12,969
group of patients or clientele or however you

1487
00:55:12,969 --> 00:55:15,965
wanna think about that that are searching for

1488
00:55:15,965 --> 00:55:17,885
either hash or flower, and those are two

1489
00:55:17,885 --> 00:55:18,945
different type of

1490
00:55:19,244 --> 00:55:20,704
of people. Sure it is.

1491
00:55:21,204 --> 00:55:21,704
So,

1492
00:55:22,364 --> 00:55:24,625
yeah, I don't have side by side, but

1493
00:55:24,684 --> 00:55:27,164
from what I've seen and and tried, I

1494
00:55:27,164 --> 00:55:30,130
know that there you can make great hash

1495
00:55:30,130 --> 00:55:32,610
from synthetic, but what speaks to me is

1496
00:55:32,610 --> 00:55:34,710
to be able to grow in living soil,

1497
00:55:36,690 --> 00:55:37,829
regenerative and,

1498
00:55:38,449 --> 00:55:38,949
environments.

1499
00:55:39,250 --> 00:55:40,630
And I personally

1500
00:55:41,244 --> 00:55:43,405
think that our best resin comes out of

1501
00:55:43,405 --> 00:55:45,184
our greenhouse. There's just something

1502
00:55:47,244 --> 00:55:50,125
to growing under the sun and letting the

1503
00:55:50,125 --> 00:55:51,585
plants go through the season.

1504
00:55:52,844 --> 00:55:55,324
We don't do any light depths or really

1505
00:55:55,324 --> 00:55:57,450
much electricity out there. I'll run a couple

1506
00:55:57,450 --> 00:55:59,769
of fans in our smaller greenhouse because there's

1507
00:55:59,769 --> 00:56:00,829
not a lot of clearance.

1508
00:56:01,369 --> 00:56:02,809
But I I like to really let the

1509
00:56:02,809 --> 00:56:03,710
plants just

1510
00:56:04,090 --> 00:56:06,010
experience the season. I think you get some

1511
00:56:06,010 --> 00:56:06,510
great

1512
00:56:06,809 --> 00:56:08,329
results out of that. And,

1513
00:56:09,594 --> 00:56:11,755
the resin seems to be more stable from

1514
00:56:11,914 --> 00:56:14,155
I like to keep numbers as far as,

1515
00:56:14,155 --> 00:56:14,655
like,

1516
00:56:15,035 --> 00:56:16,815
tracking our wash results, and,

1517
00:56:17,675 --> 00:56:20,635
they're always higher outside without a doubt. We

1518
00:56:20,635 --> 00:56:21,135
just

1519
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:23,760
washed, like, two weeks ago. I hit the

1520
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,700
highest number I I have indoors,

1521
00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:29,440
which is really cool because it was a

1522
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,920
strain I made, which is great in speaking

1523
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:33,860
volume to what we're doing with the selections.

1524
00:56:34,965 --> 00:56:37,125
And that was a creme de gruppaea to

1525
00:56:37,125 --> 00:56:39,364
sour diesel, and the creme de gruppaea was

1526
00:56:39,364 --> 00:56:42,105
papaya to grape cream cake. So we made

1527
00:56:42,565 --> 00:56:44,325
the papaya to grape cream cake cross and

1528
00:56:44,325 --> 00:56:45,864
then cross with the sour diesel,

1529
00:56:46,244 --> 00:56:47,704
and that hit 6%

1530
00:56:47,845 --> 00:56:49,465
indoors in the wash numbers.

1531
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,639
And then outside, our best wash was also

1532
00:56:52,639 --> 00:56:54,159
another strain we made. And last year, we

1533
00:56:54,159 --> 00:56:55,139
hit 7%,

1534
00:56:56,159 --> 00:56:58,799
and that was a another sour cross, and

1535
00:56:58,799 --> 00:57:00,260
that was, tripaya

1536
00:57:01,039 --> 00:57:03,760
to sour, which we were calling sour tripaya.

1537
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,795
So I think there's something to it for

1538
00:57:06,795 --> 00:57:08,655
us. We're seeing the numbers.

1539
00:57:09,195 --> 00:57:11,594
The resin quality is stable. Things are washing.

1540
00:57:11,594 --> 00:57:11,994
People are

1541
00:57:12,954 --> 00:57:13,695
I think

1542
00:57:14,315 --> 00:57:15,855
you're getting a more complex

1543
00:57:16,715 --> 00:57:19,215
profile. There's things that aren't

1544
00:57:19,860 --> 00:57:20,360
present

1545
00:57:21,140 --> 00:57:23,300
and I don't think achievable with our setup

1546
00:57:23,300 --> 00:57:23,800
indoors

1547
00:57:24,340 --> 00:57:27,000
versus outside. You're just getting something that's

1548
00:57:27,780 --> 00:57:30,840
having a wider array of food to

1549
00:57:31,220 --> 00:57:33,380
ingest in a spectrum of light that is

1550
00:57:33,380 --> 00:57:34,394
not replicable,

1551
00:57:35,255 --> 00:57:36,235
for us indoors.

1552
00:57:37,175 --> 00:57:39,735
Yeah. I certainly, you're preaching to the choir

1553
00:57:39,735 --> 00:57:42,135
here on Shaping Fire about the the the

1554
00:57:42,135 --> 00:57:44,454
the improvements and power of growing under sun

1555
00:57:44,454 --> 00:57:46,155
versus indoor. I mean, certainly,

1556
00:57:46,809 --> 00:57:47,549
I have,

1557
00:57:47,849 --> 00:57:51,449
enjoyed and grown excellent stuff indoors, but that

1558
00:57:51,449 --> 00:57:51,949
wide,

1559
00:57:52,889 --> 00:57:55,289
wide terpene profile that comes from the sun

1560
00:57:55,289 --> 00:57:58,409
is is just delightful. And, you know, whenever

1561
00:57:58,409 --> 00:58:00,250
possible, it's it's really nice to be able

1562
00:58:00,250 --> 00:58:01,405
to work with,

1563
00:58:01,945 --> 00:58:04,264
nature, in tune with nature instead of trying

1564
00:58:04,264 --> 00:58:07,144
to dominate nature to to give us what

1565
00:58:07,144 --> 00:58:08,605
we want out of it.

1566
00:58:10,585 --> 00:58:11,085
So

1567
00:58:11,385 --> 00:58:14,690
I wanna circle back around to the

1568
00:58:15,069 --> 00:58:17,329
the point of at which that you harvest.

1569
00:58:17,949 --> 00:58:18,449
So,

1570
00:58:19,389 --> 00:58:22,349
if if we know that you're not looking

1571
00:58:22,349 --> 00:58:25,150
for the amberness that you did when you

1572
00:58:25,150 --> 00:58:25,650
were

1573
00:58:26,505 --> 00:58:27,005
growing

1574
00:58:28,105 --> 00:58:28,924
for flower,

1575
00:58:29,304 --> 00:58:31,484
and we know that the market encourages

1576
00:58:31,824 --> 00:58:32,324
you

1577
00:58:32,664 --> 00:58:33,164
to

1578
00:58:33,864 --> 00:58:35,724
cut when they are more cloudy.

1579
00:58:36,664 --> 00:58:37,644
Are you,

1580
00:58:38,264 --> 00:58:40,525
is that what you're looking for, a percentage

1581
00:58:40,984 --> 00:58:41,724
of cloud

1582
00:58:42,500 --> 00:58:43,880
before you cut,

1583
00:58:44,420 --> 00:58:46,260
or is there more to it? I can

1584
00:58:46,260 --> 00:58:46,760
imagine

1585
00:58:47,139 --> 00:58:50,579
there may be a, you know, you deciding

1586
00:58:50,579 --> 00:58:51,639
the terpene component

1587
00:58:52,500 --> 00:58:54,039
is matured well enough

1588
00:58:55,074 --> 00:58:58,135
as well. But I'm I'm looking very specifically

1589
00:58:58,594 --> 00:59:00,994
what are the boxes that you personally need

1590
00:59:00,994 --> 00:59:04,275
to check when you decide, okay, tomorrow is

1591
00:59:04,275 --> 00:59:04,934
the day.

1592
00:59:07,150 --> 00:59:09,469
I like to scope multiple parts of the

1593
00:59:09,469 --> 00:59:12,110
plant because I feel like the doneness from

1594
00:59:12,110 --> 00:59:12,769
the top

1595
00:59:13,070 --> 00:59:14,530
colas to the bottom,

1596
00:59:16,110 --> 00:59:16,929
can be

1597
00:59:17,230 --> 00:59:17,730
different.

1598
00:59:18,030 --> 00:59:19,010
So I want

1599
00:59:19,469 --> 00:59:20,130
as much

1600
00:59:20,824 --> 00:59:23,404
cloudiness from both of them as possible.

1601
00:59:25,864 --> 00:59:26,364
So,

1602
00:59:26,824 --> 00:59:28,904
yeah, it it's it's it is a tricky

1603
00:59:28,904 --> 00:59:31,244
window because it seems like some plants

1604
00:59:31,625 --> 00:59:34,125
can go through that faster than others.

1605
00:59:34,690 --> 00:59:36,849
And there there are plants too that we'll

1606
00:59:36,849 --> 00:59:38,449
test out and that just, like, maybe are

1607
00:59:38,449 --> 00:59:40,849
not as receptive to being outside. And I'll

1608
00:59:40,849 --> 00:59:42,769
be like, okay. This one's gotta go. Maybe

1609
00:59:42,769 --> 00:59:43,989
it's not as cloudy

1610
00:59:44,369 --> 00:59:46,050
as I want, but if we continue to

1611
00:59:46,050 --> 00:59:48,369
go, like, this plant isn't faring well with

1612
00:59:48,369 --> 00:59:49,030
the season.

1613
00:59:49,425 --> 00:59:51,364
And if we let it go too longer,

1614
00:59:51,425 --> 00:59:53,905
it might be all for all for loss

1615
00:59:53,905 --> 00:59:56,385
and go into the compost. So sometimes you

1616
00:59:56,385 --> 00:59:57,664
do have to make those hard calls and

1617
00:59:57,664 --> 01:00:00,164
cut them out even before they're through, but

1618
01:00:00,224 --> 01:00:02,465
that's that's part of doing this is finding

1619
01:00:02,465 --> 01:00:04,880
stuff. And in the long run, that's only

1620
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:05,700
gonna make,

1621
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:08,180
your selections

1622
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:11,840
better. And and hopefully, if you're you're making

1623
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:12,900
seeds, that will

1624
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:15,700
keep those traits and selections,

1625
01:00:17,275 --> 01:00:19,034
going forward. So if you're pulling out the

1626
01:00:19,034 --> 01:00:21,275
crap that's not working for your end of

1627
01:00:21,275 --> 01:00:24,315
season pressures or whatever pressures you're experiencing, that

1628
01:00:24,315 --> 01:00:26,235
that will have a trickle down effect in

1629
01:00:26,235 --> 01:00:27,135
further generation.

1630
01:00:27,755 --> 01:00:29,514
I'm gonna push you for a little bit

1631
01:00:29,514 --> 01:00:30,335
more quantification

1632
01:00:30,635 --> 01:00:31,135
there.

1633
01:00:31,550 --> 01:00:33,949
There is a rule of thumb when growing

1634
01:00:33,949 --> 01:00:34,449
flower

1635
01:00:34,909 --> 01:00:37,789
that, you know, to harvest when 20%

1636
01:00:37,789 --> 01:00:40,289
of your trichomes are showing some amber.

1637
01:00:40,590 --> 01:00:42,989
You know, certainly that can be debate debated,

1638
01:00:42,989 --> 01:00:44,829
but, you know, it is a common rule

1639
01:00:44,829 --> 01:00:45,489
of thumb.

1640
01:00:45,934 --> 01:00:48,675
What is your rule of thumb when or

1641
01:00:49,614 --> 01:00:51,135
or or mark box that you have to

1642
01:00:51,135 --> 01:00:53,155
check when when you are determining

1643
01:00:53,454 --> 01:00:55,054
if enough of them are cloudy? Are you

1644
01:00:55,054 --> 01:00:55,795
looking for

1645
01:00:56,094 --> 01:00:56,894
20%

1646
01:00:56,894 --> 01:00:59,454
cloudy? Or because we're not talking amber, are

1647
01:00:59,454 --> 01:01:01,549
you actually, oh, I I actually want them

1648
01:01:01,549 --> 01:01:02,969
to be, like, 80%

1649
01:01:03,030 --> 01:01:05,589
cloudy, and maybe the first ones might be

1650
01:01:05,589 --> 01:01:07,750
starting to be amber? Like, where in that

1651
01:01:07,750 --> 01:01:10,230
range? What are you really looking for when

1652
01:01:10,230 --> 01:01:11,369
you scope them?

1653
01:01:12,554 --> 01:01:14,574
Yeah. I don't think I have a specific

1654
01:01:14,875 --> 01:01:16,875
percentage I'm looking for. I'm just looking for

1655
01:01:16,875 --> 01:01:17,375
majority

1656
01:01:17,994 --> 01:01:18,494
cloudy.

1657
01:01:18,875 --> 01:01:21,034
If we're starting to get into amber, that's

1658
01:01:21,034 --> 01:01:23,375
that's fine. I just don't wanna be pushing

1659
01:01:23,675 --> 01:01:26,494
a large percentage. I'm not afraid of darker

1660
01:01:27,079 --> 01:01:29,239
hash. Like, there's definitely some type of,

1661
01:01:29,719 --> 01:01:31,719
if I had swatches in front of me,

1662
01:01:31,719 --> 01:01:33,159
there would be a color that I would

1663
01:01:33,159 --> 01:01:35,159
be like, this is not acceptable. This is

1664
01:01:35,159 --> 01:01:36,460
where we draw the line.

1665
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,355
But we do have batches that and it

1666
01:01:39,355 --> 01:01:41,614
tends to be more of like the purple

1667
01:01:41,835 --> 01:01:42,815
flower varieties

1668
01:01:43,275 --> 01:01:44,894
that come out darker,

1669
01:01:45,994 --> 01:01:48,795
and that's totally fine. They don't all have

1670
01:01:48,795 --> 01:01:49,695
to be blonde.

1671
01:01:50,075 --> 01:01:52,175
But, yeah, when I'm when I'm trying to,

1672
01:01:53,515 --> 01:01:54,015
pull

1673
01:01:54,510 --> 01:01:55,010
and

1674
01:01:55,469 --> 01:01:57,550
and figure out that ideal harvest date, I'm

1675
01:01:57,550 --> 01:02:00,750
looking for I don't want a majority clear.

1676
01:02:00,750 --> 01:02:02,769
Obviously, we've talked about I don't want majority

1677
01:02:03,630 --> 01:02:05,630
amber. So I'm looking for that sweet spot

1678
01:02:05,630 --> 01:02:06,130
where

1679
01:02:06,644 --> 01:02:09,284
all, if not most, are cloudy. And a

1680
01:02:09,284 --> 01:02:11,445
little bit of either or is fine, but

1681
01:02:11,445 --> 01:02:13,844
the majority need to be in that that

1682
01:02:13,844 --> 01:02:15,844
cloudy realm. There we go, dude. Thank you.

1683
01:02:15,844 --> 01:02:17,364
Thank you for letting me push you. You're

1684
01:02:17,364 --> 01:02:19,450
welcome. I I really needed I knew there

1685
01:02:19,450 --> 01:02:21,849
were people listening going, dude, push him. Get

1686
01:02:21,849 --> 01:02:23,530
get get get something that we can really

1687
01:02:23,530 --> 01:02:25,469
work with, and and now we have actionable

1688
01:02:25,610 --> 01:02:26,110
information.

1689
01:02:26,489 --> 01:02:28,809
Right? We want, like, you know, like, you

1690
01:02:28,809 --> 01:02:31,230
know, seventy, eighty percent or more cloudy,

1691
01:02:31,684 --> 01:02:32,965
under 5%

1692
01:02:32,965 --> 01:02:35,844
amber, boom, go. Like, people with that, people

1693
01:02:35,844 --> 01:02:37,304
can then add their intuition.

1694
01:02:37,844 --> 01:02:40,005
But but now now you've really, like, put

1695
01:02:40,005 --> 01:02:41,764
a line in the sand. So so thanks,

1696
01:02:41,764 --> 01:02:42,264
Connor.

1697
01:02:42,965 --> 01:02:45,380
Okay, Rad. Sorry. I took a little extra

1698
01:02:45,380 --> 01:02:47,619
pushing to get what you were, after. Right

1699
01:02:47,619 --> 01:02:49,219
right on. Right on. So,

1700
01:02:49,619 --> 01:02:50,519
you know,

1701
01:02:51,300 --> 01:02:53,000
have you noticed that,

1702
01:02:53,300 --> 01:02:55,539
or or do you add any kind of

1703
01:02:55,539 --> 01:02:57,160
soil amendment or biostimulant

1704
01:02:57,780 --> 01:02:58,280
or

1705
01:02:58,815 --> 01:03:00,835
anything at all to your,

1706
01:03:01,855 --> 01:03:02,835
to your substrate

1707
01:03:03,855 --> 01:03:06,034
to that that you believe enhances

1708
01:03:06,574 --> 01:03:09,375
the trichome quality? I mean, we we all

1709
01:03:09,375 --> 01:03:12,675
we all seek to grow the most thriving

1710
01:03:12,734 --> 01:03:14,769
plants we can, and and and, you know,

1711
01:03:14,769 --> 01:03:16,609
there's there's as many different ways to do

1712
01:03:16,609 --> 01:03:17,909
that as there are cultivators.

1713
01:03:18,369 --> 01:03:19,429
But specifically,

1714
01:03:20,130 --> 01:03:22,789
growing for trichomes when you are a trichome

1715
01:03:22,929 --> 01:03:25,650
farmer, is there anything where you're like, oh,

1716
01:03:25,650 --> 01:03:28,289
I always add this because it makes the

1717
01:03:28,289 --> 01:03:28,664
hash

1718
01:03:29,144 --> 01:03:31,244
because it makes the trichomes more whatever.

1719
01:03:34,905 --> 01:03:35,405
Well,

1720
01:03:36,025 --> 01:03:36,525
I

1721
01:03:37,144 --> 01:03:39,704
don't know if this because we've been doing

1722
01:03:39,704 --> 01:03:41,785
a few things consistently. We've changed up a

1723
01:03:41,785 --> 01:03:44,210
cute a few things every year. And I'm

1724
01:03:44,210 --> 01:03:45,670
finding, in general,

1725
01:03:46,130 --> 01:03:46,789
the more

1726
01:03:47,329 --> 01:03:47,829
diversity

1727
01:03:48,210 --> 01:03:49,510
you can give, the wider,

1728
01:03:50,769 --> 01:03:51,429
you know,

1729
01:03:51,730 --> 01:03:53,190
the more food at the table

1730
01:03:53,569 --> 01:03:55,750
for these plants to choose from, I think

1731
01:03:55,809 --> 01:03:57,269
that relates to

1732
01:03:58,574 --> 01:04:00,914
the complexity of the profile. So

1733
01:04:01,215 --> 01:04:02,574
I do like to use a lot of

1734
01:04:02,574 --> 01:04:04,815
alpaca manure. There's a farm not too far

1735
01:04:04,815 --> 01:04:06,994
from me, and we've been using that,

1736
01:04:08,894 --> 01:04:10,494
most years that we've been out here. I

1737
01:04:10,494 --> 01:04:12,514
think the first year I didn't know her,

1738
01:04:13,130 --> 01:04:15,230
yet and wasn't looking for that.

1739
01:04:15,610 --> 01:04:17,930
And we were primarily using worm castings, and

1740
01:04:17,930 --> 01:04:19,369
then when we figured out we had an

1741
01:04:19,369 --> 01:04:21,530
abundance of worms for where we're at, we

1742
01:04:21,530 --> 01:04:23,050
were kind of backed off. And I was

1743
01:04:23,050 --> 01:04:24,829
like, okay. Let's see if we can get,

1744
01:04:25,610 --> 01:04:26,110
another

1745
01:04:26,664 --> 01:04:29,324
source of manure that's readily available.

1746
01:04:30,184 --> 01:04:30,684
And,

1747
01:04:31,304 --> 01:04:32,744
I do like using

1748
01:04:33,304 --> 01:04:35,324
planting some dynamic accumulators

1749
01:04:36,184 --> 01:04:38,204
and turning those into

1750
01:04:39,679 --> 01:04:40,179
JLFs,

1751
01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:42,579
JADAM liquid fertilizer.

1752
01:04:43,679 --> 01:04:45,699
And or, you know,

1753
01:04:47,199 --> 01:04:48,579
chop and dropping them.

1754
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:51,359
So we've been experimenting with different things like

1755
01:04:51,359 --> 01:04:51,859
that.

1756
01:04:53,065 --> 01:04:54,204
Mainly with nettles,

1757
01:04:54,505 --> 01:04:57,704
steamed nettle Mhmm. And comfrey and yarrow. Those

1758
01:04:57,704 --> 01:04:58,204
are

1759
01:04:58,585 --> 01:05:00,765
all super accessible for us.

1760
01:05:02,184 --> 01:05:05,164
And then on the flower side, we've

1761
01:05:05,699 --> 01:05:07,300
the last few years I've been trying to

1762
01:05:07,300 --> 01:05:10,119
source pawpaws, which is a fruit that is,

1763
01:05:12,099 --> 01:05:14,339
a regional fruit, and it's kind of like

1764
01:05:14,339 --> 01:05:16,260
a version of a tropical fruit that grows

1765
01:05:16,260 --> 01:05:17,159
here in Michigan.

1766
01:05:17,699 --> 01:05:18,199
So

1767
01:05:18,875 --> 01:05:20,335
I've been trying to source,

1768
01:05:20,954 --> 01:05:22,494
clean fruit to make

1769
01:05:23,034 --> 01:05:24,014
end of season,

1770
01:05:27,355 --> 01:05:27,855
JADAM

1771
01:05:28,315 --> 01:05:29,214
liquid fertilizers

1772
01:05:29,594 --> 01:05:30,815
to feed the plants.

1773
01:05:31,980 --> 01:05:33,739
So paw paws, I finally found a patch

1774
01:05:33,739 --> 01:05:35,099
last year. This will be the first year

1775
01:05:35,099 --> 01:05:36,000
we're using those.

1776
01:05:36,380 --> 01:05:39,039
And then, I was able to find some

1777
01:05:39,099 --> 01:05:41,820
some pears. So we've used, blackberries in the

1778
01:05:41,820 --> 01:05:42,320
past.

1779
01:05:43,099 --> 01:05:45,519
That those are in abundance at our property.

1780
01:05:46,474 --> 01:05:49,375
And I think I've used another fruit that's

1781
01:05:49,434 --> 01:05:50,894
escaping me at the moment.

1782
01:05:51,275 --> 01:05:53,195
But, yeah, I like to I like to

1783
01:05:53,195 --> 01:05:54,494
try to use different

1784
01:05:55,275 --> 01:05:56,255
liquid fertilizers.

1785
01:05:57,755 --> 01:06:00,335
And and in past seasons too, we've used,

1786
01:06:03,179 --> 01:06:04,159
the teas that,

1787
01:06:04,860 --> 01:06:07,340
Josh and Kelly of Dragonfly Earth Medicine made.

1788
01:06:07,340 --> 01:06:09,500
And this year, we're trying a new tea

1789
01:06:09,500 --> 01:06:10,940
recipe that's been very

1790
01:06:13,565 --> 01:06:16,364
seems to be more geared towards trichome production

1791
01:06:16,364 --> 01:06:18,204
indoors, so I'm interested to see how that

1792
01:06:18,204 --> 01:06:20,605
works outside. And that's kind of it's just

1793
01:06:20,605 --> 01:06:22,684
like a compost tea with a couple extra

1794
01:06:22,684 --> 01:06:23,184
things.

1795
01:06:23,485 --> 01:06:25,585
We're we're essentially using this

1796
01:06:27,519 --> 01:06:29,920
this company called Tea Labs Recipe. If anyone's

1797
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:31,760
interested in looking, we're pretty much following that

1798
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:32,500
to the t.

1799
01:06:33,039 --> 01:06:35,440
No, no pun intended, but I got I

1800
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:36,739
got another one in.

1801
01:06:37,119 --> 01:06:37,599
And,

1802
01:06:38,239 --> 01:06:40,800
Tea Labs I'm gonna I'm gonna do jump

1803
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:43,034
on with your Tea Lab, plug too.

1804
01:06:43,994 --> 01:06:46,074
Luke there does a great job. I'm using

1805
01:06:46,074 --> 01:06:48,394
his stuff again this year as well and,

1806
01:06:49,034 --> 01:06:52,014
really like how how clean it all works.

1807
01:06:53,914 --> 01:06:56,234
Yeah. It seems to be pretty easy to

1808
01:06:56,234 --> 01:06:56,734
understand.

1809
01:06:57,034 --> 01:06:57,934
I think anyone

1810
01:06:58,579 --> 01:06:59,400
with a basic,

1811
01:07:00,980 --> 01:07:03,059
understanding of how to put some things together

1812
01:07:03,059 --> 01:07:05,380
and just following directions, I think it'd be

1813
01:07:05,380 --> 01:07:08,179
great for for anyone of any skill level

1814
01:07:08,179 --> 01:07:09,940
and especially for the folks who are used

1815
01:07:09,940 --> 01:07:12,119
to using bottles. If you're trying to, like,

1816
01:07:13,065 --> 01:07:13,565
grasp

1817
01:07:14,344 --> 01:07:16,505
this side of things where there's, at least

1818
01:07:16,505 --> 01:07:17,724
for me, getting into

1819
01:07:18,184 --> 01:07:20,984
switching from cocoa to to soil, when we

1820
01:07:20,984 --> 01:07:22,664
did that, it was like, man, this was

1821
01:07:22,664 --> 01:07:24,925
such a hard thing to grasp. And and

1822
01:07:25,144 --> 01:07:25,644
I,

1823
01:07:27,849 --> 01:07:30,809
it's nice when it's an easy recipe laid

1824
01:07:30,809 --> 01:07:32,250
out and they make it easy for you.

1825
01:07:32,250 --> 01:07:34,329
So those guys have been great. And,

1826
01:07:34,809 --> 01:07:37,210
yeah, we're we're we're really excited to see

1827
01:07:37,210 --> 01:07:40,269
the results and and compare from last year's

1828
01:07:40,755 --> 01:07:43,875
numbers and see, what what that, new recipe

1829
01:07:43,875 --> 01:07:45,014
does for us,

1830
01:07:45,875 --> 01:07:46,375
outdoors,

1831
01:07:47,154 --> 01:07:48,934
because it's been so great for us indoors.

1832
01:07:49,954 --> 01:07:50,454
So,

1833
01:07:51,154 --> 01:07:53,154
last question before we go to our second

1834
01:07:53,154 --> 01:07:54,890
break. You know, when when you and I

1835
01:07:54,890 --> 01:07:57,369
were talking, kind of prepping for our discussion

1836
01:07:57,369 --> 01:07:57,869
today,

1837
01:07:58,250 --> 01:08:00,510
we were talking about garden efficiencies,

1838
01:08:01,289 --> 01:08:03,130
things that that you were able to do

1839
01:08:03,130 --> 01:08:04,110
along the way

1840
01:08:04,410 --> 01:08:06,809
that that reassured you that you're going in

1841
01:08:06,809 --> 01:08:08,329
the right direction. And the one that we

1842
01:08:08,329 --> 01:08:10,264
talked about on the phone was the jar

1843
01:08:10,804 --> 01:08:12,724
test to let you know, you know, if

1844
01:08:12,724 --> 01:08:14,904
you're getting good yield from the plant.

1845
01:08:15,364 --> 01:08:17,385
I wondered if you thought of any more,

1846
01:08:17,925 --> 01:08:21,685
garden efficiencies like that or or green flags

1847
01:08:21,685 --> 01:08:23,864
that you look for in your garden

1848
01:08:24,319 --> 01:08:26,800
as the growing cycle is going where you're

1849
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:28,800
all like, okay. I got this good green

1850
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:30,640
flag at this stage. Okay. I got this

1851
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:32,420
good green flag at that stage.

1852
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:34,800
Obviously, the jar test is way at the

1853
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:36,880
end. Right? But I but but I wanted

1854
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:38,720
to hear what your green flags were, a

1855
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:39,465
few of them,

1856
01:08:39,864 --> 01:08:42,984
during the growing process that that reassures you

1857
01:08:42,984 --> 01:08:45,085
that that you're running your game properly.

1858
01:08:52,710 --> 01:08:55,029
I mean, I think for anyone, it's overall

1859
01:08:55,029 --> 01:08:56,630
health of the plant. I I don't think

1860
01:08:56,630 --> 01:08:58,010
that's, like, a a great

1861
01:08:58,389 --> 01:09:00,010
nugget that I'm giving anyone.

1862
01:09:02,069 --> 01:09:02,729
I think

1863
01:09:03,590 --> 01:09:05,189
the first thing that came to mind when

1864
01:09:05,189 --> 01:09:08,175
you're saying that, it's not answering directly your

1865
01:09:08,175 --> 01:09:09,074
question, but

1866
01:09:09,614 --> 01:09:12,094
we decided to get soil tests this year

1867
01:09:12,094 --> 01:09:12,835
to see

1868
01:09:13,295 --> 01:09:16,034
how things have been going. And

1869
01:09:16,654 --> 01:09:19,534
before we moved into the house, when I

1870
01:09:19,534 --> 01:09:21,954
got the the keys enclosed on the property,

1871
01:09:22,729 --> 01:09:23,710
We spent

1872
01:09:24,170 --> 01:09:26,890
the first weekend or something building where I

1873
01:09:26,890 --> 01:09:28,890
make seeds. We put a whole hugel culture

1874
01:09:28,890 --> 01:09:29,550
in. So

1875
01:09:29,929 --> 01:09:32,350
it was really cool to test all those.

1876
01:09:32,810 --> 01:09:35,289
And this was a great, you know, sign

1877
01:09:35,289 --> 01:09:36,670
that things are going well

1878
01:09:37,244 --> 01:09:39,965
because the amount of organic material that's been

1879
01:09:39,965 --> 01:09:41,725
building up in the soil based on the

1880
01:09:41,725 --> 01:09:42,465
test results

1881
01:09:43,005 --> 01:09:43,824
is dramatically

1882
01:09:44,125 --> 01:09:44,625
different

1883
01:09:45,085 --> 01:09:46,064
from every

1884
01:09:46,685 --> 01:09:48,944
greenhouse we put in. So last year,

1885
01:09:49,645 --> 01:09:50,784
we put in one

1886
01:09:51,164 --> 01:09:53,579
that was very close to planting season.

1887
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:55,880
And then we put in another one that

1888
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:56,619
same year

1889
01:09:57,640 --> 01:09:58,380
that was

1890
01:09:58,680 --> 01:09:59,739
closer to

1891
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:02,840
the end of winter. And then we had

1892
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:04,920
the previous year we put one in. And

1893
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:06,060
then almost

1894
01:10:06,755 --> 01:10:08,135
five summers ago,

1895
01:10:09,314 --> 01:10:11,555
we put in that first one. And it

1896
01:10:11,555 --> 01:10:12,055
is

1897
01:10:12,595 --> 01:10:13,335
I have

1898
01:10:13,715 --> 01:10:15,314
over 20%

1899
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in the one that we put in first

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and then it goes down and down. And

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you could see it

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01:10:20,020 --> 01:10:22,260
in the soil samples too because we have

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01:10:22,260 --> 01:10:24,420
sandy soil, so it was really quite a

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01:10:24,420 --> 01:10:26,280
difference. So that was a major

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01:10:26,739 --> 01:10:27,239
green,

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01:10:28,100 --> 01:10:30,340
flag. And I think another thing that came

1907
01:10:30,340 --> 01:10:31,619
to mind when you asked this question, I

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01:10:31,619 --> 01:10:34,185
think I touched on it earlier, was how

1909
01:10:35,204 --> 01:10:35,944
we've been

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01:10:36,725 --> 01:10:39,444
going down the line with our seeds and

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01:10:39,444 --> 01:10:40,265
starting to

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01:10:41,045 --> 01:10:44,085
see that some of the selections that we've

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01:10:44,085 --> 01:10:46,324
found in our seeds, and not that we're

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01:10:46,324 --> 01:10:46,824
hunting

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01:10:47,340 --> 01:10:49,840
crazy larger populations. Some like

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01:10:50,539 --> 01:10:51,039
the

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01:10:51,420 --> 01:10:53,600
star fruit, that creme de grepay, the sourdeesa,

1918
01:10:53,739 --> 01:10:55,739
we only hunted 12 seeds and found a

1919
01:10:55,739 --> 01:10:56,479
really nice,

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01:10:57,659 --> 01:11:00,239
selection. Same with that sour trapaya. So

1921
01:11:00,625 --> 01:11:01,125
it's

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01:11:01,664 --> 01:11:02,885
those kind of things,

1923
01:11:03,744 --> 01:11:05,344
I guess, or what I think of that

1924
01:11:05,344 --> 01:11:07,984
are, like, reassuring that we're going down the

1925
01:11:07,984 --> 01:11:10,304
right path. I'm not exactly sure that's what

1926
01:11:10,304 --> 01:11:11,984
you were looking for answer wise, but that's

1927
01:11:11,984 --> 01:11:13,685
what I thought of when you were

1928
01:11:14,189 --> 01:11:16,829
asking that question. Yeah. Well, for for start

1929
01:11:16,909 --> 01:11:18,510
for starting out that you didn't really have

1930
01:11:18,510 --> 01:11:20,510
any, you gave two really good ones. So,

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01:11:20,510 --> 01:11:21,949
yeah, we'll call that we'll call that a

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win.

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01:11:22,829 --> 01:11:25,469
So Okay. Yeah. Right on. So, so let's

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01:11:25,469 --> 01:11:27,664
go ahead and and take our second short

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01:11:27,664 --> 01:11:29,585
break, and then we'll be back in talking

1936
01:11:29,585 --> 01:11:30,864
a little bit more about,

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01:11:31,824 --> 01:11:32,324
after

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01:11:32,704 --> 01:11:33,204
harvest.

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01:11:34,465 --> 01:11:35,904
We're gonna take that short break and be

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01:11:35,904 --> 01:11:38,064
right back. You are listening to shaping fire,

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01:11:38,064 --> 01:11:40,005
and my guest today is Hashmaker,

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01:11:40,305 --> 01:11:41,524
Connor Turp Wizard.

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01:11:44,850 --> 01:11:47,109
This message is for folks who grow cannabis.

1944
01:11:47,170 --> 01:11:49,649
I'm talking to home growers, patients, and commercial

1945
01:11:49,649 --> 01:11:52,689
growers too. I'm probably talking to you. When

1946
01:11:52,689 --> 01:11:54,609
you plan out your next growing cycle, be

1947
01:11:54,609 --> 01:11:57,914
sure to check out Humboldt CSI seeds at

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01:11:57,914 --> 01:11:59,854
humboldtcsi.com.

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01:12:00,234 --> 01:12:02,474
Caleb Inspecta and his family have lived in

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01:12:02,474 --> 01:12:04,795
Humboldt County for over a hundred years. For

1951
01:12:04,795 --> 01:12:07,274
the last forty years, three generations of his

1952
01:12:07,274 --> 01:12:09,054
family have cultivated extraordinary

1953
01:12:09,354 --> 01:12:11,994
sense of mia cannabis in Humboldt, Mendocino, and

1954
01:12:11,994 --> 01:12:12,974
Trinity Counties.

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01:12:13,689 --> 01:12:16,010
Because of his lineage and the hard earned

1956
01:12:16,010 --> 01:12:18,809
experience that comes from growing up smoking and

1957
01:12:18,809 --> 01:12:21,529
sifting large populations of cannabis plants in Northern

1958
01:12:21,529 --> 01:12:22,029
California,

1959
01:12:22,489 --> 01:12:24,729
the seeds you'll cop from CSI will be

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01:12:24,729 --> 01:12:25,550
winning genetics

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01:12:25,929 --> 01:12:28,734
based on long time heavy hitters and updated

1962
01:12:28,734 --> 01:12:30,895
and resifted to bring out new and exotic

1963
01:12:30,895 --> 01:12:32,354
traits and better yields.

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01:12:32,734 --> 01:12:35,135
Go ahead and ask around. Caleb, also known

1965
01:12:35,135 --> 01:12:37,854
as Inspecta and Pirates of the Emerald Triangle

1966
01:12:37,854 --> 01:12:40,494
is a breeder's breeder. He reaches way back

1967
01:12:40,494 --> 01:12:42,354
and works with significant strains

1968
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:45,000
recreating them in new and interesting ways that

1969
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:47,340
you'll love as a toker and a grower

1970
01:12:47,399 --> 01:12:49,560
as well as offering you some surprises that

1971
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:51,979
will delight serious seed traders and cultivators.

1972
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:56,060
Humboldt's CSI goes a further step and selfs

1973
01:12:56,119 --> 01:12:58,425
all these chemovars so you know all the

1974
01:12:58,425 --> 01:13:01,244
seeds will be female. These are not experimental

1975
01:13:01,545 --> 01:13:04,744
feminized seeds. Humboldt CSI releases some of the

1976
01:13:04,744 --> 01:13:07,625
best female seeds available anywhere and it will

1977
01:13:07,625 --> 01:13:08,685
show in your garden.

1978
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:11,640
Folks grew quite a bit of CSI Humblegen

1979
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:13,880
X last year here on Vashon Island and

1980
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:17,239
everyone was pleased. The patients had beautiful female

1981
01:13:17,239 --> 01:13:19,159
plants and didn't have to cull half of

1982
01:13:19,159 --> 01:13:20,460
their garden as males.

1983
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:22,760
The folks growing for the fun of getting

1984
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:26,085
high grew colorful flowers with exceptional bag appeal

1985
01:13:26,085 --> 01:13:27,064
and great highs.

1986
01:13:27,445 --> 01:13:30,005
And breeders had seven out of seven females

1987
01:13:30,005 --> 01:13:31,604
in a pack which gave them a lot

1988
01:13:31,604 --> 01:13:32,905
of phenotypic choices.

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01:13:33,685 --> 01:13:38,109
Take a moment right now and visit humboldtcsi.com.

1990
01:13:38,109 --> 01:13:39,789
You'll find an up to date menu of

1991
01:13:39,789 --> 01:13:42,750
both feminized and regular lines along with photos

1992
01:13:42,750 --> 01:13:43,489
and descriptions.

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01:13:43,949 --> 01:13:44,770
That's humboldt

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01:13:45,310 --> 01:13:47,090
c s I dot com.

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01:13:49,744 --> 01:13:52,145
One of the challenges with buying autoflower seeds

1996
01:13:52,145 --> 01:13:53,984
is that often you'll have as many different

1997
01:13:53,984 --> 01:13:55,904
phenos as you will have seeds in a

1998
01:13:55,904 --> 01:13:58,864
pack. That can be fun, sure, but so

1999
01:13:58,864 --> 01:14:01,024
many varieties in one pack is a sign

2000
01:14:01,024 --> 01:14:03,184
of an immature seed line that hasn't been

2001
01:14:03,184 --> 01:14:03,925
worked enough.

2002
01:14:04,609 --> 01:14:07,010
I prefer my autoflowers to be worked enough

2003
01:14:07,010 --> 01:14:09,250
that each fino in the pack really captures

2004
01:14:09,250 --> 01:14:11,189
the aspects that the breeder was intending.

2005
01:14:12,050 --> 01:14:13,429
This is why I recommend

2006
01:14:13,729 --> 01:14:16,130
gnome automatics to my friends and listeners who

2007
01:14:16,130 --> 01:14:18,309
grow automatic flowering cannabis seeds.

2008
01:14:19,125 --> 01:14:21,524
Gnome automatic seeds are not just crossed and

2009
01:14:21,524 --> 01:14:23,145
released. They are painstakingly

2010
01:14:23,524 --> 01:14:26,164
sifted again and again, tested in a wide

2011
01:14:26,164 --> 01:14:28,564
range of conditions, and taken to a level

2012
01:14:28,564 --> 01:14:30,824
of maturity that each plant will be recognizable

2013
01:14:31,045 --> 01:14:31,944
by its traits.

2014
01:14:32,810 --> 01:14:34,810
Traits that were hard earned so that you

2015
01:14:34,810 --> 01:14:36,909
can have your best growth cycle ever.

2016
01:14:37,689 --> 01:14:40,729
Over the last ten years, Gnome Automatics founder

2017
01:14:40,729 --> 01:14:43,289
Dan Jimmy has become a trusted breeder and

2018
01:14:43,289 --> 01:14:45,314
he continues to pour his passion of breeding

2019
01:14:45,555 --> 01:14:48,194
cannabis into every variety he releases for you

2020
01:14:48,194 --> 01:14:48,774
to grow.

2021
01:14:49,555 --> 01:14:51,814
Check out the Gnome Automatics Instagram

2022
01:14:52,274 --> 01:14:54,375
at gnome underscore automatics

2023
01:14:54,755 --> 01:14:57,175
to see the impressive plants folks are growing.

2024
01:14:57,890 --> 01:15:00,710
You can score gnome automatic seeds in feminized

2025
01:15:00,850 --> 01:15:03,409
or regular at your favorite seed provider listed

2026
01:15:03,409 --> 01:15:05,270
in the vendor section of their website.

2027
01:15:06,050 --> 01:15:08,770
Commercial cannabis farms across the country love growing

2028
01:15:08,770 --> 01:15:09,590
gnome automatics

2029
01:15:09,890 --> 01:15:12,630
because of their consistency from seed to seed,

2030
01:15:12,994 --> 01:15:16,994
short grow times, THC percentages, and colorful bag

2031
01:15:16,994 --> 01:15:17,494
appeal.

2032
01:15:18,034 --> 01:15:20,194
Farms interested in bulk seeds of more than

2033
01:15:20,194 --> 01:15:24,295
a thousand should reach out through gnomeautomatics.com.

2034
01:15:25,170 --> 01:15:26,930
While on the website, be sure to check

2035
01:15:26,930 --> 01:15:29,409
out the gnome automatics shirts and other merch

2036
01:15:29,409 --> 01:15:30,310
section too.

2037
01:15:30,770 --> 01:15:32,630
If you want reliable seeds,

2038
01:15:32,930 --> 01:15:36,149
hand built from effort, expert selection, and experience,

2039
01:15:36,689 --> 01:15:38,390
choose gnome automatics.

2040
01:15:41,655 --> 01:15:43,494
You've heard me talk about the award winning

2041
01:15:43,494 --> 01:15:45,814
cannabis seeds that come from the analytical breeding

2042
01:15:45,814 --> 01:15:48,375
program of Seth and Eric Crawford who founded

2043
01:15:48,375 --> 01:15:51,510
Oregon CBD Seeds. In fact, Seth was a

2044
01:15:51,510 --> 01:15:53,689
guest on Shaping Fire in 2020

2045
01:15:53,829 --> 01:15:55,529
to talk about triploid genetics.

2046
01:15:56,309 --> 01:15:58,889
Seth and Eric are now releasing high THC

2047
01:15:59,029 --> 01:16:01,909
seeds for homegrowers and farms as Grow The

2048
01:16:01,909 --> 01:16:02,409
Revolution

2049
01:16:02,869 --> 01:16:05,595
seeds at gtrseeds.com.

2050
01:16:06,235 --> 01:16:08,735
Their high THC seeds are extraordinary

2051
01:16:09,114 --> 01:16:11,195
in that they will start to flower at

2052
01:16:11,195 --> 01:16:13,675
sixteen and a half hours of daylight instead

2053
01:16:13,675 --> 01:16:15,755
of the typical fourteen and a half hours

2054
01:16:15,755 --> 01:16:16,335
of daylight.

2055
01:16:16,715 --> 01:16:19,550
That means in most regions, your plants will

2056
01:16:19,550 --> 01:16:22,050
start to flower outdoors in the July

2057
01:16:22,349 --> 01:16:24,130
instead of the August,

2058
01:16:24,269 --> 01:16:27,250
which means these photoperiod plants finish in September

2059
01:16:27,550 --> 01:16:28,609
and not October,

2060
01:16:29,069 --> 01:16:31,729
totally upending the photoperiod seed market.

2061
01:16:32,414 --> 01:16:35,135
Seth and Eric took their prized early flowering

2062
01:16:35,135 --> 01:16:37,454
CBG line and bred it to some of

2063
01:16:37,454 --> 01:16:40,994
the most desired verified genetics out there, including

2064
01:16:41,055 --> 01:16:41,555
sourdiesel,

2065
01:16:41,935 --> 01:16:45,555
triangle cush, wedding cake, chemdogs, Skittles and others.

2066
01:16:45,969 --> 01:16:49,729
These crosses all express powerful photoperiod terpene profiles

2067
01:16:49,729 --> 01:16:50,469
and THC

2068
01:16:50,929 --> 01:16:52,389
giving you a great high.

2069
01:16:53,010 --> 01:16:56,449
GTR Seeds has a new THCV line with

2070
01:16:56,449 --> 01:16:58,550
plants like Double Durban and Gigantor

2071
01:16:58,929 --> 01:17:01,744
that boast one to one THC to THC

2072
01:17:02,045 --> 01:17:04,704
v. And people want that THC v.

2073
01:17:05,405 --> 01:17:07,505
GTR seeds are very consistent,

2074
01:17:07,965 --> 01:17:11,104
true growing inbred f ones from stabilized

2075
01:17:11,405 --> 01:17:12,784
inbred parent lines.

2076
01:17:13,230 --> 01:17:16,270
These seeds are nearly homogeneous and the plants

2077
01:17:16,270 --> 01:17:18,750
should all grow the same. There is only

2078
01:17:18,750 --> 01:17:22,190
one phenotype in every pack, available as diploids

2079
01:17:22,190 --> 01:17:22,850
and triploids.

2080
01:17:23,630 --> 01:17:26,050
Seth and Eric's company is still family owned,

2081
01:17:26,110 --> 01:17:28,954
patient and employee centric, and partially powered by

2082
01:17:28,954 --> 01:17:30,734
their two acres of solar panels.

2083
01:17:31,354 --> 01:17:33,675
Everyone can purchase these seeds and the entire

2084
01:17:33,675 --> 01:17:37,114
catalog of Oregon CBD seeds at g t

2085
01:17:37,114 --> 01:17:40,699
r seeds dot com. Go to gtrseeds.com

2086
01:17:40,699 --> 01:17:43,579
today and choose something revolutionary for your next

2087
01:17:43,579 --> 01:17:45,119
indoor or outdoor run.

2088
01:17:45,659 --> 01:17:47,979
Welcome back. You are listening to Shaping Fire.

2089
01:17:47,979 --> 01:17:50,300
I am your host, Shango Los, and my

2090
01:17:50,300 --> 01:17:52,800
guest today is hash maker, Connor Terpwizard.

2091
01:17:53,364 --> 01:17:55,284
So Connor, here at the end here, we're

2092
01:17:55,284 --> 01:17:58,005
gonna talk about a few things that, are

2093
01:17:58,005 --> 01:18:01,125
to be considered after and during the the

2094
01:18:01,125 --> 01:18:02,265
harvesting process.

2095
01:18:02,965 --> 01:18:04,024
But one question

2096
01:18:04,725 --> 01:18:06,505
that I'm asked regularly

2097
01:18:06,885 --> 01:18:09,960
by folks who are moving into Hash is

2098
01:18:10,260 --> 01:18:10,760
how

2099
01:18:11,300 --> 01:18:14,420
yield numbers are calculated. What's the wash number?

2100
01:18:14,420 --> 01:18:15,699
And for those of us who have done

2101
01:18:15,699 --> 01:18:18,020
this many times, the the math is is

2102
01:18:18,020 --> 01:18:20,260
very basic. But but will you walk it

2103
01:18:20,420 --> 01:18:22,039
walk us through it for folks,

2104
01:18:22,625 --> 01:18:25,505
who are listening because they're excited about making

2105
01:18:25,505 --> 01:18:27,765
their own hash for the first time?

2106
01:18:29,344 --> 01:18:32,164
Yeah. So we have three numbers we calculate.

2107
01:18:32,225 --> 01:18:33,685
There's the wash number.

2108
01:18:34,225 --> 01:18:35,284
There's return

2109
01:18:35,984 --> 01:18:36,484
from

2110
01:18:37,500 --> 01:18:38,000
rosin

2111
01:18:38,380 --> 01:18:38,880
to

2112
01:18:39,579 --> 01:18:42,699
hash and then to to rosin number. So

2113
01:18:42,699 --> 01:18:44,619
the way those are calculated, you have to

2114
01:18:44,619 --> 01:18:46,960
have a fresh frozen number. So

2115
01:18:47,340 --> 01:18:49,395
or if you're doing it dry, that works

2116
01:18:49,635 --> 01:18:51,875
too. It doesn't doesn't really matter if it's

2117
01:18:51,875 --> 01:18:53,234
dry or wet, but this is how you

2118
01:18:53,234 --> 01:18:54,534
calculate it. So

2119
01:18:55,234 --> 01:18:56,774
you get that weight of the material,

2120
01:18:57,555 --> 01:18:59,654
and then you wash it, you

2121
01:19:00,515 --> 01:19:03,154
know, dry the the the trichomes, and then

2122
01:19:03,154 --> 01:19:04,135
you weigh that.

2123
01:19:04,699 --> 01:19:05,680
And you're dividing

2124
01:19:06,060 --> 01:19:07,199
your fresh frozen

2125
01:19:07,820 --> 01:19:08,720
by the

2126
01:19:09,260 --> 01:19:11,180
the hash, so a bigger number by smaller,

2127
01:19:11,180 --> 01:19:12,699
and then you get a percentage, and that's

2128
01:19:12,699 --> 01:19:13,680
how that's calculated.

2129
01:19:14,780 --> 01:19:18,380
So then when you press your rosin, we'll

2130
01:19:18,380 --> 01:19:18,880
take

2131
01:19:20,524 --> 01:19:23,005
the hash divided by rosin, and that's the

2132
01:19:23,005 --> 01:19:24,864
return percentage. We're seeing

2133
01:19:25,564 --> 01:19:27,885
a a good number for us is in

2134
01:19:27,885 --> 01:19:30,764
the the eighties. Nineties is very high, and

2135
01:19:30,764 --> 01:19:32,364
then as you go lower, it's

2136
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:35,300
there means that that's like a lower quality

2137
01:19:35,359 --> 01:19:35,859
head.

2138
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:37,779
And then finally,

2139
01:19:39,199 --> 01:19:41,779
you have your terrazzan number. So

2140
01:19:42,159 --> 01:19:45,199
that is divided, you know, the larger number

2141
01:19:45,199 --> 01:19:47,199
of fresh frozen to terrazzan, and that will

2142
01:19:47,199 --> 01:19:48,260
give you that percentage.

2143
01:19:48,614 --> 01:19:50,774
So when people are using these terms like

2144
01:19:50,774 --> 01:19:52,395
this washed this much,

2145
01:19:52,774 --> 01:19:55,015
this was this much to hash, most people

2146
01:19:55,015 --> 01:19:56,074
don't say the return.

2147
01:19:56,854 --> 01:19:57,675
That's more,

2148
01:19:58,534 --> 01:20:00,854
a more, nuanced thing that not that many

2149
01:20:00,854 --> 01:20:02,635
people talk about. It's not as important.

2150
01:20:03,279 --> 01:20:05,439
But, just to show, like, the quality of

2151
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:05,939
the

2152
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:08,479
the trichome head and and how much more

2153
01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:09,859
heads you had than stalks

2154
01:20:10,239 --> 01:20:12,739
or any other stuff in that dried hash,

2155
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:14,179
contaminant per se.

2156
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:15,300
So,

2157
01:20:15,875 --> 01:20:17,654
yeah, that that's how that's calculated,

2158
01:20:17,954 --> 01:20:18,454
and,

2159
01:20:19,954 --> 01:20:20,935
I think there's

2160
01:20:21,554 --> 01:20:22,295
some folks

2161
01:20:22,675 --> 01:20:24,614
out there, and I've I've heard this,

2162
01:20:25,154 --> 01:20:25,654
and

2163
01:20:26,354 --> 01:20:28,114
that don't calculate it, and it'll be like,

2164
01:20:28,114 --> 01:20:29,414
oh, a really good

2165
01:20:29,869 --> 01:20:31,889
wash. They'll be like, this is 5%

2166
01:20:32,189 --> 01:20:34,429
or 7%, and then not actually do the

2167
01:20:34,429 --> 01:20:34,929
math.

2168
01:20:35,229 --> 01:20:37,309
And that doesn't really mean anything without the

2169
01:20:37,309 --> 01:20:40,189
numbers. So Yeah. For anyone starting, that's that's

2170
01:20:40,189 --> 01:20:41,069
how that's all,

2171
01:20:41,784 --> 01:20:42,284
calculated.

2172
01:20:43,064 --> 01:20:45,064
So I have a question since I don't

2173
01:20:45,064 --> 01:20:48,524
work with, frozen material here at my house.

2174
01:20:49,784 --> 01:20:52,345
You mentioned that you you either take the

2175
01:20:52,345 --> 01:20:55,625
the dried cured material or the fresh frozen

2176
01:20:55,625 --> 01:20:56,125
material,

2177
01:20:57,000 --> 01:20:57,680
and you,

2178
01:20:58,119 --> 01:21:00,619
then you do your math comparing that to

2179
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:01,979
the the dried,

2180
01:21:02,359 --> 01:21:04,439
trichome heads that you have removed from the

2181
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:04,939
plant.

2182
01:21:05,399 --> 01:21:07,819
I'm curious if when you do fresh frozen,

2183
01:21:09,079 --> 01:21:11,235
does it do you think it skews the

2184
01:21:11,235 --> 01:21:14,274
numbers a little bit because the plant is

2185
01:21:14,274 --> 01:21:14,774
frozen

2186
01:21:15,314 --> 01:21:18,534
and perhaps has got additional weight from

2187
01:21:19,235 --> 01:21:22,675
ambient water freezing and attaching itself to the

2188
01:21:22,675 --> 01:21:23,175
plant?

2189
01:21:27,020 --> 01:21:29,340
I guess the skewing of the numbers would

2190
01:21:29,340 --> 01:21:31,340
be a perspective thing in the time of

2191
01:21:31,340 --> 01:21:33,039
when you were doing this in,

2192
01:21:33,420 --> 01:21:35,739
you know, a time period. Because I feel

2193
01:21:35,739 --> 01:21:37,819
like this is just what I'm used to

2194
01:21:37,819 --> 01:21:39,680
and and what seems to be the

2195
01:21:40,015 --> 01:21:41,074
the common thing.

2196
01:21:41,694 --> 01:21:44,194
So for me, washing so little of,

2197
01:21:45,454 --> 01:21:46,274
dry material,

2198
01:21:47,135 --> 01:21:49,395
it would seem wild to me if someone

2199
01:21:49,454 --> 01:21:51,935
gave me numbers of dried material because they're

2200
01:21:51,935 --> 01:21:55,920
gonna be dramatically different, like fresh frozen materials

2201
01:21:55,979 --> 01:21:57,199
and the single percentages

2202
01:21:57,899 --> 01:22:00,479
where I've heard dry can be, you know,

2203
01:22:00,780 --> 01:22:03,020
in in the tens or, you know, twenty,

2204
01:22:03,020 --> 01:22:04,980
thirty, something like that. So for me, that

2205
01:22:05,100 --> 01:22:07,425
that's normal from to look at it. But

2206
01:22:07,425 --> 01:22:09,185
I could see how the extra water weight

2207
01:22:09,185 --> 01:22:11,225
would skew it if you were looking at

2208
01:22:11,225 --> 01:22:12,405
it from the other side.

2209
01:22:13,505 --> 01:22:14,324
Yeah. Anyway,

2210
01:22:15,505 --> 01:22:18,704
weird specific question, but I've I've always wondered

2211
01:22:18,704 --> 01:22:20,085
about that. I'm all like, man,

2212
01:22:20,860 --> 01:22:23,020
frozen doesn't get a get doesn't get a

2213
01:22:23,020 --> 01:22:25,020
fair shake when it comes to yield be

2214
01:22:25,260 --> 01:22:27,500
when compared to dry because it with the

2215
01:22:27,500 --> 01:22:29,500
extra water. But but yeah. So I guess

2216
01:22:29,500 --> 01:22:31,100
that I guess the the point of that

2217
01:22:31,100 --> 01:22:33,900
is is it is it's, it's really hard

2218
01:22:33,900 --> 01:22:34,640
to compare

2219
01:22:35,534 --> 01:22:39,054
fresh frozen yield numbers to to dry yield

2220
01:22:39,054 --> 01:22:39,554
numbers

2221
01:22:39,854 --> 01:22:41,875
because the process is so different.

2222
01:22:43,215 --> 01:22:46,094
Yeah. I don't think you you accurately can

2223
01:22:46,094 --> 01:22:46,594
because

2224
01:22:47,135 --> 01:22:47,635
I'm

2225
01:22:48,539 --> 01:22:50,859
under from the people who I've talked that

2226
01:22:50,859 --> 01:22:52,399
have even done partial dries,

2227
01:22:52,780 --> 01:22:54,239
it will kind of,

2228
01:22:54,939 --> 01:22:57,979
change how the trichome will react. So I've

2229
01:22:57,979 --> 01:22:58,960
I've had people

2230
01:22:59,500 --> 01:23:00,640
tell me that they've,

2231
01:23:01,074 --> 01:23:02,594
I don't know how common this is these

2232
01:23:02,594 --> 01:23:03,494
days or

2233
01:23:03,954 --> 01:23:05,474
maybe it is for some people, but I

2234
01:23:05,474 --> 01:23:07,635
don't really hear people talking about it, where

2235
01:23:07,635 --> 01:23:09,395
you do a few day dry and then

2236
01:23:09,395 --> 01:23:11,474
you freeze it and wash it because the

2237
01:23:11,474 --> 01:23:14,135
head becomes more durable. So strains that typically

2238
01:23:14,194 --> 01:23:15,014
wouldn't wash

2239
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:17,480
would wash better, but then those numbers are

2240
01:23:17,480 --> 01:23:17,980
skewed.

2241
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:20,199
So you can't really compare those two. I

2242
01:23:20,199 --> 01:23:22,039
would say if you're gonna do one, use

2243
01:23:22,039 --> 01:23:23,640
those numbers to compare. And then if you're

2244
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:25,239
gonna do the other, use that. But don't

2245
01:23:25,239 --> 01:23:26,760
don't try to mix it because you're not

2246
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:27,500
gonna get

2247
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:28,860
it it's not

2248
01:23:29,445 --> 01:23:31,945
an easy thing to do side by side.

2249
01:23:32,005 --> 01:23:33,704
Right on. You mentioned,

2250
01:23:34,164 --> 01:23:36,185
during when we were talking about harvesting,

2251
01:23:37,125 --> 01:23:39,845
that you and your team try to touch

2252
01:23:39,845 --> 01:23:40,585
the plants

2253
01:23:41,125 --> 01:23:43,604
as little as possible and are are very

2254
01:23:43,604 --> 01:23:44,859
careful with your trellis,

2255
01:23:45,819 --> 01:23:47,680
do you have any other recommendations

2256
01:23:48,699 --> 01:23:50,079
for like like, for example,

2257
01:23:50,619 --> 01:23:51,439
what do you

2258
01:23:51,819 --> 01:23:53,819
after you chop and you're pulling off in

2259
01:23:53,819 --> 01:23:54,319
sections,

2260
01:23:54,859 --> 01:23:56,539
what do you like to put your plants

2261
01:23:56,539 --> 01:23:59,180
into? Like like, just walk us through the

2262
01:23:59,180 --> 01:24:01,364
the steps from the cut,

2263
01:24:02,465 --> 01:24:04,404
to it being in the freezer.

2264
01:24:06,465 --> 01:24:08,944
Yeah. Well, if I was approaching how to

2265
01:24:08,944 --> 01:24:10,704
teach someone how to do this, I would

2266
01:24:10,704 --> 01:24:11,204
say

2267
01:24:12,140 --> 01:24:14,159
start with a section that's manageable,

2268
01:24:15,659 --> 01:24:17,820
because if you start getting crazy and there's

2269
01:24:17,820 --> 01:24:19,500
a bunch of extra limbs on it and

2270
01:24:19,500 --> 01:24:21,260
you get too big, then you're gonna have

2271
01:24:21,260 --> 01:24:23,899
stuff bumping together and the potential loss for

2272
01:24:23,899 --> 01:24:27,085
for trichomes. So maybe somewhere that's like from

2273
01:24:27,085 --> 01:24:28,225
your elbow to the,

2274
01:24:29,645 --> 01:24:31,405
point of your, you know, where your middle

2275
01:24:31,405 --> 01:24:32,765
finger is. That might be too big for

2276
01:24:32,765 --> 01:24:34,845
some people, so you just kinda gotta assess

2277
01:24:34,845 --> 01:24:36,524
that. And then you wanna be grabbing the

2278
01:24:36,524 --> 01:24:37,965
stalk, you don't wanna be touching any of

2279
01:24:37,965 --> 01:24:38,625
the flowers.

2280
01:24:39,340 --> 01:24:40,320
And from there,

2281
01:24:41,180 --> 01:24:41,920
you're removing

2282
01:24:42,300 --> 01:24:45,900
any leaves that don't have trichome coverage or

2283
01:24:45,900 --> 01:24:48,159
have any damage. I wouldn't

2284
01:24:48,619 --> 01:24:50,780
be chopping the tips off of plants because

2285
01:24:50,780 --> 01:24:52,685
then you're opening up places

2286
01:24:53,545 --> 01:24:54,045
for

2287
01:24:58,905 --> 01:25:00,664
Any kind of pathogen to get into the

2288
01:25:00,664 --> 01:25:01,164
stem?

2289
01:25:01,864 --> 01:25:03,725
I was thinking more of, like, chlorophyll.

2290
01:25:04,199 --> 01:25:04,699
Oh.

2291
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:07,720
To get into the to water. I see.

2292
01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:09,820
Did you guys come out of the plant?

2293
01:25:10,039 --> 01:25:10,780
Put potentially.

2294
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:14,039
Because we've been chopping as close to the

2295
01:25:14,039 --> 01:25:15,020
stalk as possible

2296
01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:17,260
and and removing the the

2297
01:25:17,655 --> 01:25:19,975
leaf where it connects the stem. Mhmm. That

2298
01:25:19,975 --> 01:25:21,494
doesn't seem to cause issues. But I don't

2299
01:25:21,494 --> 01:25:23,095
I don't like to trim the tips off

2300
01:25:23,095 --> 01:25:25,175
of the leaves because they've been damaged or

2301
01:25:25,175 --> 01:25:27,574
doesn't have trichome coverage. If they have trichomes

2302
01:25:27,574 --> 01:25:29,494
and it's a healthy leaf, we leave it

2303
01:25:29,494 --> 01:25:29,994
on.

2304
01:25:30,534 --> 01:25:32,475
And then you're trying to

2305
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:35,679
you're not trying to chop the flower in

2306
01:25:35,679 --> 01:25:37,920
half by any means. There's natural ways that

2307
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:40,319
the flower forms, and you're trying to cut

2308
01:25:40,319 --> 01:25:41,699
it off in a way

2309
01:25:42,159 --> 01:25:43,300
that is gentle

2310
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:44,260
and

2311
01:25:46,505 --> 01:25:48,284
makes sense for how the plant's

2312
01:25:48,664 --> 01:25:49,965
morphology is.

2313
01:25:52,744 --> 01:25:55,085
So those are some things to think about.

2314
01:25:55,944 --> 01:25:58,524
And I would say general rule of thumb

2315
01:25:58,824 --> 01:26:00,925
is you're trying to keep it about,

2316
01:26:01,619 --> 01:26:03,139
if you can, if it makes sense and

2317
01:26:03,139 --> 01:26:05,060
you're not damaging the flower, if you can

2318
01:26:05,060 --> 01:26:06,760
get it down about the size of your

2319
01:26:06,819 --> 01:26:09,060
thumb knuckle up to tip, that would be

2320
01:26:09,060 --> 01:26:09,880
a good size.

2321
01:26:11,380 --> 01:26:12,979
And what we like to put it in

2322
01:26:12,979 --> 01:26:14,679
is we use plastic totes

2323
01:26:15,055 --> 01:26:17,314
that fit really well in our freezers

2324
01:26:17,854 --> 01:26:19,234
and then use a bag,

2325
01:26:20,255 --> 01:26:21,154
in the tote.

2326
01:26:21,614 --> 01:26:23,534
I've found that if you just use the

2327
01:26:23,534 --> 01:26:25,614
bag, what could happen is there can be

2328
01:26:25,614 --> 01:26:26,114
some

2329
01:26:26,494 --> 01:26:29,100
shuffling and potential trichome loss. So if you

2330
01:26:29,100 --> 01:26:31,920
have it in that, form, that solid form,

2331
01:26:32,300 --> 01:26:34,380
you can keep it a little bit less

2332
01:26:34,380 --> 01:26:34,880
jostled.

2333
01:26:35,819 --> 01:26:36,319
And

2334
01:26:36,779 --> 01:26:39,500
that's, like, unfortunate one thing that I haven't

2335
01:26:39,500 --> 01:26:41,420
really found a good solution for that's still

2336
01:26:41,420 --> 01:26:43,395
kind of like a single use plastic. If

2337
01:26:43,875 --> 01:26:46,274
I've considered going to just boxes, but I

2338
01:26:46,274 --> 01:26:46,774
still

2339
01:26:47,715 --> 01:26:50,354
I haven't found that that's, like, really any

2340
01:26:50,354 --> 01:26:52,274
better, like a plastic box than cleaning it

2341
01:26:52,274 --> 01:26:53,335
every time. The

2342
01:26:54,274 --> 01:26:56,914
the the turkey bag or tray liner, oven

2343
01:26:56,914 --> 01:26:58,199
liner seems to be,

2344
01:26:59,159 --> 01:27:01,420
a a good solution at this point.

2345
01:27:02,360 --> 01:27:04,440
Yeah. We need, we need a we need

2346
01:27:04,440 --> 01:27:08,680
a reusable or naturally produced sustainable solution for

2347
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:10,699
that eventually. Yeah.

2348
01:27:11,320 --> 01:27:14,024
Yeah. Yeah. Do you do you bother trimming

2349
01:27:14,024 --> 01:27:14,524
plants,

2350
01:27:14,824 --> 01:27:17,404
in advance of, washing them?

2351
01:27:18,744 --> 01:27:21,564
I don't really like to do much disturbance

2352
01:27:21,864 --> 01:27:24,425
after. So we've only done, like we do

2353
01:27:24,425 --> 01:27:24,925
two,

2354
01:27:25,784 --> 01:27:27,005
cleanups and flower.

2355
01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:31,159
Inside, it's really easy, right? Because you're like,

2356
01:27:31,159 --> 01:27:32,600
oh, this is day one, this is day

2357
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:34,760
whatever outside. It's just like, okay, one of

2358
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:36,840
the plants starting to flip. Let's get a

2359
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:39,020
little bit more airflow in there. Generally,

2360
01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:41,175
you know, on the first, maybe like quarter

2361
01:27:41,175 --> 01:27:42,935
of plants going to do a cleanup. And

2362
01:27:42,935 --> 01:27:44,935
then based off when those plants start, I

2363
01:27:44,935 --> 01:27:46,694
try to, like, set a reminder in my

2364
01:27:46,694 --> 01:27:47,194
calendar.

2365
01:27:47,655 --> 01:27:49,655
Like, alright. Two, three weeks from now, probably

2366
01:27:49,655 --> 01:27:50,635
closer to three.

2367
01:27:51,255 --> 01:27:53,175
If it was inside, it'd be day one.

2368
01:27:53,175 --> 01:27:55,015
Day 21 is when I like to clean

2369
01:27:55,015 --> 01:27:57,180
up. And that's just the numbers that work

2370
01:27:57,180 --> 01:27:58,560
well for me. I don't wanna

2371
01:27:59,819 --> 01:28:01,659
disturb them that late in,

2372
01:28:02,060 --> 01:28:04,539
flower. I saw someone make a post about

2373
01:28:04,539 --> 01:28:06,300
that where they're cleaning up, and there were

2374
01:28:06,300 --> 01:28:06,779
some,

2375
01:28:07,100 --> 01:28:09,604
Hashmakers that I respect that made some comments

2376
01:28:09,604 --> 01:28:11,784
on Instagram about how they wouldn't do that.

2377
01:28:11,925 --> 01:28:14,005
They didn't necessarily go too far into it,

2378
01:28:14,005 --> 01:28:15,765
but I feel like there's a reason and

2379
01:28:15,765 --> 01:28:17,604
those guys have a lot more experience and

2380
01:28:17,604 --> 01:28:18,904
knowledge than I do. So,

2381
01:28:19,364 --> 01:28:20,965
not that I was going to do that,

2382
01:28:20,965 --> 01:28:23,190
but I had thought about what you had

2383
01:28:23,190 --> 01:28:24,869
said to do, an end of cleanup. And

2384
01:28:24,869 --> 01:28:27,030
I was like, okay. These guys have probably

2385
01:28:27,030 --> 01:28:29,210
seen material that's had that happen. And,

2386
01:28:29,909 --> 01:28:32,869
it wasn't probably favorable or what they expected.

2387
01:28:32,869 --> 01:28:35,030
So we're we're gonna keep with the the

2388
01:28:35,030 --> 01:28:37,885
two cleanups in flower and just be be

2389
01:28:37,885 --> 01:28:39,425
sufficient and happy with that.

2390
01:28:40,045 --> 01:28:41,805
Yeah. Right on. I buy that. I would

2391
01:28:41,805 --> 01:28:43,805
love to hear their their reasoning too. The

2392
01:28:43,805 --> 01:28:46,045
only reasoning I ever heard to to do

2393
01:28:46,045 --> 01:28:46,784
the cleanup,

2394
01:28:47,645 --> 01:28:48,145
before

2395
01:28:48,845 --> 01:28:49,744
week six

2396
01:28:50,469 --> 01:28:50,969
is,

2397
01:28:51,429 --> 01:28:53,929
because in those last two weeks, reaching around

2398
01:28:53,989 --> 01:28:56,389
to, you know, to to clean them up

2399
01:28:56,389 --> 01:28:58,010
or remove things or,

2400
01:28:59,029 --> 01:29:01,349
you're just you're you're bound to touch a

2401
01:29:01,349 --> 01:29:03,829
lot more flowers. And and anybody who I

2402
01:29:03,829 --> 01:29:06,335
know who's been serious about it says, you

2403
01:29:06,335 --> 01:29:08,655
know, almost like slaps my hand, stop touching

2404
01:29:08,655 --> 01:29:11,935
anything. You know? Like like, we we don't

2405
01:29:11,935 --> 01:29:13,074
want your,

2406
01:29:14,574 --> 01:29:16,975
you know, your your human skin oil on

2407
01:29:16,975 --> 01:29:18,274
my plant. You know?

2408
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:22,560
Yeah. Anytime that I'm, like, trying to smell

2409
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:24,239
a live plant, I'll see if I can

2410
01:29:24,239 --> 01:29:26,319
find some of those, like, under canopy less

2411
01:29:26,319 --> 01:29:28,960
developed buds and, like, go off of that

2412
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:31,520
and, like, fully remove it so that, you

2413
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:33,539
know, you can, like, really, you know,

2414
01:29:34,135 --> 01:29:35,574
smoosh the crap out of it and smell

2415
01:29:35,574 --> 01:29:37,175
it and be like, okay. I'm not trying

2416
01:29:37,175 --> 01:29:38,935
to take a or touch a Top Cola

2417
01:29:38,935 --> 01:29:39,435
that's,

2418
01:29:39,814 --> 01:29:40,715
you know, the

2419
01:29:41,494 --> 01:29:42,155
the prime

2420
01:29:42,534 --> 01:29:44,935
real estate on the plant and and, you

2421
01:29:44,935 --> 01:29:46,715
know, muck that up.

2422
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:48,500
Yeah.

2423
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:51,859
So so I wanna finish off, the episode,

2424
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:54,960
with this talking a little bit about the

2425
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:55,460
transition

2426
01:29:56,239 --> 01:29:59,039
from being a hashmaker that's growing other people's

2427
01:29:59,039 --> 01:29:59,539
genetics

2428
01:30:00,215 --> 01:30:00,715
to,

2429
01:30:01,494 --> 01:30:03,654
being a hash maker who is developing your

2430
01:30:03,654 --> 01:30:05,814
own. And, you know, a a a good

2431
01:30:05,814 --> 01:30:07,574
part of what we've been talking about today

2432
01:30:07,574 --> 01:30:10,295
has been folks who are new to growing

2433
01:30:10,295 --> 01:30:12,630
for hash because people who are already growing

2434
01:30:12,630 --> 01:30:14,390
for hash, well, they they already have a

2435
01:30:14,390 --> 01:30:16,710
lot of their skills locked down. But this

2436
01:30:16,710 --> 01:30:18,630
next part, this is this is kind of,

2437
01:30:19,109 --> 01:30:19,770
you know,

2438
01:30:20,229 --> 01:30:22,390
a a milestone for a lot of folks

2439
01:30:22,390 --> 01:30:24,229
is that they, you know, they learn how

2440
01:30:24,229 --> 01:30:25,909
to make hash, and then they learn how

2441
01:30:25,909 --> 01:30:27,835
to press it, and, you know, they've then

2442
01:30:27,835 --> 01:30:29,375
they learn the the genetics

2443
01:30:29,755 --> 01:30:32,175
from, you know, various folks and different varieties

2444
01:30:32,314 --> 01:30:34,635
that they really like and, you know, but

2445
01:30:34,635 --> 01:30:36,255
but there comes a point

2446
01:30:36,795 --> 01:30:38,814
when my friends go, well,

2447
01:30:39,529 --> 01:30:42,029
shit. What I want isn't on the market,

2448
01:30:42,090 --> 01:30:44,270
and I need to make it for myself

2449
01:30:45,609 --> 01:30:47,850
either because they want attributes that they can't

2450
01:30:47,850 --> 01:30:49,689
find in in you know, available out there

2451
01:30:49,689 --> 01:30:50,189
or

2452
01:30:50,890 --> 01:30:51,390
b,

2453
01:30:52,010 --> 01:30:53,229
you know, there is certainly

2454
01:30:54,395 --> 01:30:56,954
a lot of respect with, you know, making

2455
01:30:56,954 --> 01:30:59,675
your own hash from your own varieties that

2456
01:30:59,675 --> 01:31:02,814
you grow yourself, and that's that's pretty

2457
01:31:03,194 --> 01:31:05,614
badass, you know. And so

2458
01:31:06,579 --> 01:31:08,579
just talk to you for to us a

2459
01:31:08,579 --> 01:31:10,899
little bit about what caused you to make

2460
01:31:10,899 --> 01:31:12,199
the choice to

2461
01:31:12,819 --> 01:31:13,319
start

2462
01:31:14,100 --> 01:31:16,199
developing your genetics for

2463
01:31:17,539 --> 01:31:20,920
growing what you wanted for your own hash

2464
01:31:22,395 --> 01:31:24,715
and the the positive attributes. And if there

2465
01:31:24,715 --> 01:31:26,395
were any negative attributes, I'd love to hear

2466
01:31:26,395 --> 01:31:28,155
that. Just give us a little snapshot of

2467
01:31:28,155 --> 01:31:30,314
that transition for you for folks who are

2468
01:31:30,314 --> 01:31:32,015
who are getting ready to do that.

2469
01:31:33,595 --> 01:31:35,534
Yeah. So I think

2470
01:31:37,079 --> 01:31:38,199
when I was starting this,

2471
01:31:40,279 --> 01:31:43,000
so we moved from a property that I

2472
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:45,159
had a garden to a property where I

2473
01:31:45,159 --> 01:31:47,079
didn't have a garden, and we were already

2474
01:31:47,079 --> 01:31:47,579
midsummer.

2475
01:31:48,279 --> 01:31:48,779
So

2476
01:31:49,215 --> 01:31:50,835
for me, it was preservation

2477
01:31:51,135 --> 01:31:52,814
and the love for the plants that I

2478
01:31:52,814 --> 01:31:54,515
had spent all this time selecting

2479
01:31:55,135 --> 01:31:55,635
because

2480
01:31:56,175 --> 01:31:57,695
I had been growing for a few years

2481
01:31:57,695 --> 01:31:58,354
out here.

2482
01:31:58,655 --> 01:32:00,255
I was like, oh, man. I really love

2483
01:32:00,255 --> 01:32:01,715
these plants and now

2484
01:32:02,310 --> 01:32:04,469
I'm gonna have to sell my house to

2485
01:32:04,469 --> 01:32:06,649
move into this next house. So

2486
01:32:07,349 --> 01:32:08,949
I won't have a garden. I need this

2487
01:32:08,949 --> 01:32:10,389
time to build out. So for me, it

2488
01:32:10,389 --> 01:32:11,050
was like,

2489
01:32:11,510 --> 01:32:13,270
okay, I can preserve these because I don't

2490
01:32:13,270 --> 01:32:15,029
have the seeds of it anymore and then

2491
01:32:15,029 --> 01:32:17,675
make a new Variety from a male that

2492
01:32:17,675 --> 01:32:19,515
I found that was very interesting and called

2493
01:32:19,515 --> 01:32:20,095
to me

2494
01:32:20,954 --> 01:32:23,274
so I took all my favorite hash plants

2495
01:32:23,274 --> 01:32:25,354
and put them outside and you know took

2496
01:32:25,354 --> 01:32:27,274
that mail that I found the grape cream

2497
01:32:27,274 --> 01:32:29,354
cake and hit all my favorite plants and

2498
01:32:29,354 --> 01:32:31,114
that was kind of the the start of

2499
01:32:31,114 --> 01:32:31,614
it

2500
01:32:32,130 --> 01:32:34,470
and every season I've found,

2501
01:32:35,729 --> 01:32:37,189
you know, in between seasons

2502
01:32:37,570 --> 01:32:38,070
plants

2503
01:32:38,449 --> 01:32:40,369
and and that have called to me in

2504
01:32:40,369 --> 01:32:42,070
one way or another based on

2505
01:32:42,530 --> 01:32:45,090
how the plant is expressing itself or what

2506
01:32:45,090 --> 01:32:47,250
I've seen from the potential from another person

2507
01:32:47,250 --> 01:32:47,715
or

2508
01:32:48,194 --> 01:32:50,935
really, like, wanting to preserve or add another

2509
01:32:50,994 --> 01:32:52,054
twist on the thing.

2510
01:32:52,755 --> 01:32:55,554
So the initial intent was to preserve what

2511
01:32:55,554 --> 01:32:57,314
I had and from there, it's gone and

2512
01:32:57,314 --> 01:32:59,574
been like, okay. I really like

2513
01:33:00,354 --> 01:33:00,854
this

2514
01:33:01,630 --> 01:33:03,789
expression that this male is giving me either

2515
01:33:03,789 --> 01:33:05,550
from seeing what the females do most of

2516
01:33:05,550 --> 01:33:07,550
the time that's the case or just being

2517
01:33:07,550 --> 01:33:09,710
like, man, this this male is, like, standing

2518
01:33:09,710 --> 01:33:12,750
out. Like, it's growing really nice. Like, it's

2519
01:33:12,750 --> 01:33:14,744
super vigorous. It has, like,

2520
01:33:15,305 --> 01:33:17,965
a crazy stem rub just something

2521
01:33:18,425 --> 01:33:21,005
maybe a combination of all those that's just

2522
01:33:21,784 --> 01:33:23,645
what speaks to me and then

2523
01:33:24,585 --> 01:33:26,045
You know selecting

2524
01:33:26,664 --> 01:33:28,364
females in a certain way

2525
01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:31,500
you're you're pulling traits that you're drawn to.

2526
01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:34,220
And I think if you keep doing that,

2527
01:33:34,439 --> 01:33:34,939
inevitably,

2528
01:33:35,479 --> 01:33:37,560
you know, even if you're just making f

2529
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:39,320
ones, which that's what I've been doing at

2530
01:33:39,320 --> 01:33:40,060
this point,

2531
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:43,100
that you're finding that those traits can

2532
01:33:43,505 --> 01:33:46,064
come up especially if they're those super dominant

2533
01:33:46,064 --> 01:33:47,204
ones that you're seeing

2534
01:33:47,744 --> 01:33:50,805
present themselves over a larger population, so

2535
01:33:51,905 --> 01:33:54,805
my my traits that I've been after

2536
01:33:55,440 --> 01:33:58,020
beyond hash are like I want super vigorous

2537
01:33:58,479 --> 01:34:00,500
plants that flower in a a

2538
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:01,860
quick time frame

2539
01:34:02,640 --> 01:34:03,140
and

2540
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:04,260
hopefully

2541
01:34:04,720 --> 01:34:05,220
are

2542
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:07,360
putting on a bunch of weight. And this

2543
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:09,039
year, we're trying to put more of those

2544
01:34:09,039 --> 01:34:09,539
out

2545
01:34:11,255 --> 01:34:14,054
so that that those traits continue on in

2546
01:34:14,054 --> 01:34:15,974
in future lineage. And it seems to be

2547
01:34:16,774 --> 01:34:18,295
that's that's what I've seen in the last

2548
01:34:18,295 --> 01:34:20,215
few years, so we'll see what happens with

2549
01:34:20,215 --> 01:34:21,755
this, this next project.

2550
01:34:22,694 --> 01:34:25,094
I like how it happened so very naturally.

2551
01:34:25,094 --> 01:34:27,210
Right? You didn't you didn't decide,

2552
01:34:27,750 --> 01:34:29,750
that you needed that you wanted to go

2553
01:34:29,750 --> 01:34:32,010
in that direction. You realized you needed

2554
01:34:32,389 --> 01:34:34,069
to go in that direction so that you

2555
01:34:34,069 --> 01:34:34,809
could preserve,

2556
01:34:35,750 --> 01:34:37,770
the work that you had already done.

2557
01:34:39,829 --> 01:34:40,889
Do you find

2558
01:34:42,324 --> 01:34:43,844
this is I don't know. This seems like

2559
01:34:43,844 --> 01:34:45,524
a dumb question, but I really do wanna

2560
01:34:45,524 --> 01:34:47,444
know the answer. Do you find it more

2561
01:34:47,444 --> 01:34:47,944
satisfying

2562
01:34:48,965 --> 01:34:50,505
to be working with

2563
01:34:51,444 --> 01:34:54,585
the plants that you yourself have

2564
01:34:56,390 --> 01:34:58,090
made the genetics for

2565
01:34:58,390 --> 01:34:58,890
versus

2566
01:34:59,270 --> 01:35:01,449
using stuff that other people

2567
01:35:01,909 --> 01:35:02,409
have

2568
01:35:02,869 --> 01:35:05,350
grown? I I can see where in the

2569
01:35:05,350 --> 01:35:08,070
same way that I prefer to grow to

2570
01:35:08,070 --> 01:35:10,710
smoke flower that I have grown myself, I

2571
01:35:10,710 --> 01:35:14,145
can imagine that that making hash from plants

2572
01:35:14,445 --> 01:35:16,704
that you are intimate with would also

2573
01:35:17,164 --> 01:35:19,185
give an experience like that.

2574
01:35:20,925 --> 01:35:23,585
Yeah. Don't get me wrong. I'm super happy,

2575
01:35:23,725 --> 01:35:25,369
like, with finding

2576
01:35:26,069 --> 01:35:28,869
stellar selections from other people. That's great. I

2577
01:35:28,869 --> 01:35:30,789
I love being able to come back to

2578
01:35:30,789 --> 01:35:33,029
that person. Either they're, like, share what we

2579
01:35:33,029 --> 01:35:33,529
found,

2580
01:35:33,909 --> 01:35:35,929
like, with a jar or, like,

2581
01:35:36,469 --> 01:35:37,529
you know, in in

2582
01:35:38,465 --> 01:35:41,344
wilder situations, like, entering into a competition and

2583
01:35:41,344 --> 01:35:42,965
being, like, this this won.

2584
01:35:44,304 --> 01:35:47,984
But for me, moving forward, I'd really like

2585
01:35:47,984 --> 01:35:49,925
to enter more of my stuff

2586
01:35:50,304 --> 01:35:52,545
that I made into competitions and see how

2587
01:35:52,545 --> 01:35:53,045
it,

2588
01:35:54,869 --> 01:35:55,850
how it fares.

2589
01:35:56,310 --> 01:35:56,810
And,

2590
01:35:58,469 --> 01:35:59,850
that's kind of the next

2591
01:36:00,469 --> 01:36:02,710
evolution of it, right? Like, okay, cool. I

2592
01:36:02,710 --> 01:36:04,390
saw the potential in this female and I

2593
01:36:04,390 --> 01:36:06,390
saw the potential in this male and I

2594
01:36:06,390 --> 01:36:07,289
put them together

2595
01:36:07,854 --> 01:36:09,854
and it's showing that either it works or

2596
01:36:09,854 --> 01:36:12,255
it doesn't and thankfully most times it has

2597
01:36:12,255 --> 01:36:13,875
worked. There's been a couple times,

2598
01:36:14,255 --> 01:36:16,014
a few times where it's been like, alright,

2599
01:36:16,014 --> 01:36:16,835
maybe the

2600
01:36:17,774 --> 01:36:20,255
the sum of the total of the these

2601
01:36:20,255 --> 01:36:22,335
two wasn't as great as the how they

2602
01:36:22,335 --> 01:36:25,469
were individually but that's just kinda the game

2603
01:36:25,469 --> 01:36:28,510
of of putting, you know, plants together sometimes.

2604
01:36:28,510 --> 01:36:29,409
It doesn't always

2605
01:36:29,789 --> 01:36:32,109
come out the way you expect for better

2606
01:36:32,109 --> 01:36:32,929
or for worse.

2607
01:36:33,229 --> 01:36:34,689
So I'm hoping,

2608
01:36:35,869 --> 01:36:36,609
as this

2609
01:36:37,295 --> 01:36:38,034
year unfolds

2610
01:36:38,414 --> 01:36:39,875
that the the female,

2611
01:36:41,135 --> 01:36:43,135
population from the male we selected, we can

2612
01:36:43,135 --> 01:36:45,135
start entering into some things and hopefully it

2613
01:36:45,135 --> 01:36:47,534
does well. I've got really high hopes for

2614
01:36:47,534 --> 01:36:50,655
it and then that would kinda catapult maybe

2615
01:36:50,655 --> 01:36:51,875
this, year's

2616
01:36:52,470 --> 01:36:54,649
interest in the new line that we

2617
01:36:55,029 --> 01:36:55,270
are,

2618
01:36:56,069 --> 01:36:57,130
about to put outside.

2619
01:36:57,670 --> 01:36:59,750
Yeah. There's no doubt. Like, doing well in

2620
01:36:59,750 --> 01:37:00,329
a competition,

2621
01:37:01,829 --> 01:37:04,229
really supports people in their marketing of the

2622
01:37:04,229 --> 01:37:07,194
genetics. Sometimes I think that it's it's actually

2623
01:37:07,194 --> 01:37:08,875
the the reason why people do it. As

2624
01:37:08,875 --> 01:37:09,935
you and I have discussed

2625
01:37:10,314 --> 01:37:12,154
before, and and we won't get into it

2626
01:37:12,154 --> 01:37:14,954
much here, the whole contest scene is its

2627
01:37:14,954 --> 01:37:16,814
is its own kind of monster

2628
01:37:17,194 --> 01:37:19,774
with with with goods and bads in it.

2629
01:37:19,914 --> 01:37:23,030
And, but there there's no doubt that placing

2630
01:37:23,649 --> 01:37:24,470
will definitely,

2631
01:37:25,170 --> 01:37:28,130
increase the the demand for your for your

2632
01:37:28,130 --> 01:37:28,630
genetics.

2633
01:37:30,609 --> 01:37:31,670
Do you think that

2634
01:37:33,409 --> 01:37:37,265
developing one's own genetics with names that judges

2635
01:37:37,404 --> 01:37:38,864
have not heard before,

2636
01:37:39,324 --> 01:37:40,545
do you think that that,

2637
01:37:41,085 --> 01:37:43,744
makes winning more difficult, or do you think

2638
01:37:45,564 --> 01:37:48,604
it it it creates interest and curiosity in

2639
01:37:48,604 --> 01:37:49,104
people?

2640
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:54,079
Well, I don't have too much experience with

2641
01:37:54,079 --> 01:37:54,579
competing

2642
01:37:54,880 --> 01:37:56,979
in competitions that aren't blind,

2643
01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:00,020
so I don't have the best

2644
01:38:00,640 --> 01:38:04,224
dataset to answer that. I think a name

2645
01:38:04,284 --> 01:38:06,304
can really make or break a strain,

2646
01:38:07,164 --> 01:38:08,604
as far as, like, in the long run

2647
01:38:08,604 --> 01:38:09,984
or just general curiosity.

2648
01:38:10,764 --> 01:38:12,844
But if you name it something wacky and

2649
01:38:12,844 --> 01:38:15,324
it wins, I think you're gonna, like, have

2650
01:38:15,324 --> 01:38:17,645
interest in it regardless. I don't I don't

2651
01:38:17,645 --> 01:38:18,145
know.

2652
01:38:19,130 --> 01:38:20,729
You know, a name is what you make

2653
01:38:20,729 --> 01:38:22,430
of it or what you, like,

2654
01:38:23,050 --> 01:38:26,329
have give perception. So, in some respects, giving

2655
01:38:26,329 --> 01:38:28,109
it a great name will be

2656
01:38:28,729 --> 01:38:30,250
super helpful. But, on the other side, I

2657
01:38:30,250 --> 01:38:32,489
don't know entirely how much it matters unless

2658
01:38:32,489 --> 01:38:34,145
it's just a completely negative

2659
01:38:34,845 --> 01:38:36,685
name to begin with. Yeah. Right on. Right

2660
01:38:36,685 --> 01:38:37,185
on.

2661
01:38:37,645 --> 01:38:40,045
Well, Connor, thank you so much for joining

2662
01:38:40,045 --> 01:38:42,204
me on Shaping Fire today to talk a

2663
01:38:42,204 --> 01:38:44,625
bit about this this very specific

2664
01:38:44,925 --> 01:38:46,625
kind of growing, growing for

2665
01:38:46,970 --> 01:38:48,670
for making hash rosin.

2666
01:38:49,930 --> 01:38:52,170
It is it is clearly an area that

2667
01:38:52,170 --> 01:38:55,289
is blowing up and is creating all this

2668
01:38:55,289 --> 01:38:57,369
joy in folks, and it's it's amazing to

2669
01:38:57,369 --> 01:39:00,250
watch our our, you know, our interest, our

2670
01:39:00,250 --> 01:39:02,854
hobby, our love expand as more people get

2671
01:39:02,854 --> 01:39:03,574
involved. And,

2672
01:39:04,215 --> 01:39:04,875
you know,

2673
01:39:05,255 --> 01:39:05,755
you,

2674
01:39:06,694 --> 01:39:09,654
you bring a unique perspective to it that

2675
01:39:09,654 --> 01:39:12,215
I find very relaxed and even soothing to

2676
01:39:12,215 --> 01:39:14,569
hear you talk about it. So so thanks

2677
01:39:14,569 --> 01:39:17,470
for, spending your time and sharing your experience

2678
01:39:17,529 --> 01:39:19,470
and and good nature with us,

2679
01:39:20,090 --> 01:39:21,689
so we can we can, you know, learn

2680
01:39:21,689 --> 01:39:22,670
from your experience.

2681
01:39:24,569 --> 01:39:26,805
Yeah. Thanks again for having me. And if,

2682
01:39:27,125 --> 01:39:29,125
like, I think I mentioned it earlier, if

2683
01:39:29,125 --> 01:39:29,625
anyone

2684
01:39:30,164 --> 01:39:31,845
who took the time to listen to this

2685
01:39:31,845 --> 01:39:34,025
and got this far has any questions,

2686
01:39:34,485 --> 01:39:36,244
just reach out. I'm more than happy to

2687
01:39:36,244 --> 01:39:37,845
answer. You know, you can email us on

2688
01:39:37,845 --> 01:39:40,609
our website or reach out through Instagram. I

2689
01:39:40,609 --> 01:39:42,609
think I'd be a little quicker to respond

2690
01:39:42,609 --> 01:39:44,529
to Instagram. But, yeah, I'm more than happy

2691
01:39:44,529 --> 01:39:46,609
to explain things and and get you pointed

2692
01:39:46,609 --> 01:39:48,369
in the right direction. If I can't answer

2693
01:39:48,369 --> 01:39:50,050
that question, I'll point you in the direction

2694
01:39:50,050 --> 01:39:51,255
that hopefully someone can.

2695
01:39:51,814 --> 01:39:54,614
Fabulous. Well, dear listener, if you would like

2696
01:39:54,614 --> 01:39:57,414
to reach out to Connor or just follow

2697
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along and,

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see what he is working on and, keep

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up on all of his award winning,

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you can do so that on Instagram and

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that's at, terp wizard. So it's terp

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underscore

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wizard

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underscore

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two

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point

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o. And the point is, you know, just

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a period. So it's terp underscore wizard underscore

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two period zero

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as Instagram.

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And their website

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is plantmagichomestead.com.

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And, that's where you can pick up all

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sorts of interesting

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medicinal items on their website as well as

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genetics

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that come out of

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out of his

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garden.

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