1 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:09,199 One thing that the new year means for 2 00:00:09,199 --> 00:00:11,439 most of us is an opportunity to renew 3 00:00:11,439 --> 00:00:12,179 and relaunch. 4 00:00:12,644 --> 00:00:14,964 It's the time to make plans real, make 5 00:00:14,964 --> 00:00:15,865 smart decisions, 6 00:00:16,404 --> 00:00:18,585 and reach for things that may seem unattainable. 7 00:00:19,204 --> 00:00:21,044 If you've been wanting to try something new 8 00:00:21,044 --> 00:00:23,364 in your cultivation recipe, now might be a 9 00:00:23,364 --> 00:00:24,750 great time to give it a try. 10 00:00:25,309 --> 00:00:27,149 For those of you following along on the 11 00:00:27,149 --> 00:00:30,369 ShapingFire Instagram account, you know that I'm experimenting 12 00:00:30,510 --> 00:00:32,909 with my first sea of green style grow 13 00:00:32,909 --> 00:00:34,590 in a 4 by 4 tent in the 14 00:00:34,590 --> 00:00:35,090 ShapingFire 15 00:00:35,469 --> 00:00:35,969 offices. 16 00:00:36,429 --> 00:00:39,254 Now I got in fired watching Caleb from 17 00:00:39,254 --> 00:00:41,574 CSI Humboldt run Sea of Green for many 18 00:00:41,574 --> 00:00:42,074 years 19 00:00:42,375 --> 00:00:44,475 and finally found the time myself. 20 00:00:45,094 --> 00:00:46,394 So far so great. 21 00:00:46,774 --> 00:00:48,854 Stop by the Shaping Fire Instagram to check 22 00:00:48,854 --> 00:00:49,835 it out for yourself. 23 00:00:50,630 --> 00:00:53,350 While talking about Instagram though, I wanna make 24 00:00:53,350 --> 00:00:55,590 sure that you know how sketchy it has 25 00:00:55,590 --> 00:00:58,009 gotten for cannabis businesses on Instagram. 26 00:00:58,390 --> 00:01:01,369 If you haven't already noticed, Instagram is intentionally 27 00:01:01,590 --> 00:01:04,250 pushing cannabis businesses off the platform 28 00:01:04,665 --> 00:01:07,245 to support their new teen safety program. 29 00:01:07,784 --> 00:01:11,064 Up until now, cannabis accounts were primarily flagged 30 00:01:11,064 --> 00:01:13,484 by folks in the community reporting each other. 31 00:01:13,865 --> 00:01:17,145 Now though, Insta is using keywords and image 32 00:01:17,145 --> 00:01:18,525 recognition to automatically 33 00:01:18,905 --> 00:01:20,340 flag cannabis plants, 34 00:01:20,819 --> 00:01:23,959 and words like cannabis and cultivation and clone, 35 00:01:24,420 --> 00:01:27,319 causing creators to be shadow banned or deleted 36 00:01:27,379 --> 00:01:27,879 automatically 37 00:01:28,420 --> 00:01:30,119 often with no way to appeal. 38 00:01:31,219 --> 00:01:31,719 Instagram 39 00:01:32,019 --> 00:01:34,465 very truly does not want us there. 40 00:01:34,765 --> 00:01:36,685 And yet Instagram is where we all connect 41 00:01:36,685 --> 00:01:38,784 with each other as a cannabis community. 42 00:01:39,084 --> 00:01:41,165 It doesn't seem right. And it is going 43 00:01:41,165 --> 00:01:43,885 to knock many cannabis businesses and podcasts out 44 00:01:43,885 --> 00:01:44,545 of existence. 45 00:01:45,420 --> 00:01:47,420 There is talk of moving to Twitter or 46 00:01:47,420 --> 00:01:50,100 Blue Sky or threads or Nostr, but none 47 00:01:50,100 --> 00:01:52,319 of these have the participation of a significant 48 00:01:52,459 --> 00:01:54,079 percentage of our cannabis community. 49 00:01:54,620 --> 00:01:57,420 Nothing beats Instagram in that regard. 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That was appreciated. 98 00:03:44,620 --> 00:03:46,060 If you like what we do and want 99 00:03:46,060 --> 00:03:47,579 to put something in the tip jar, you 100 00:03:47,579 --> 00:03:48,879 can always, Venmo 101 00:03:49,394 --> 00:03:50,854 us at shango lows. 102 00:03:51,794 --> 00:03:53,715 You are listening to Shaping Fire, and I 103 00:03:53,715 --> 00:03:55,574 am your host, Shango lows. 104 00:03:55,875 --> 00:03:58,694 Happy New Year. Welcome to episode 119. 105 00:03:59,794 --> 00:04:02,674 Today, Eric Branstad returns to Shaping Fire to 106 00:04:02,674 --> 00:04:04,959 talk about small greenhouses for home cultivation. 107 00:04:05,659 --> 00:04:07,900 Eric has been a greenhouse and farming adviser 108 00:04:07,900 --> 00:04:10,060 for over 30 years now. He started out 109 00:04:10,060 --> 00:04:12,859 in the Northern Carol, California heritage market, helping 110 00:04:12,859 --> 00:04:14,719 cultivators optimize their greenhouses, 111 00:04:15,180 --> 00:04:17,985 learn light deprivation techniques, and avoid many of 112 00:04:17,985 --> 00:04:20,324 the common errors that impact cannabis crops. 113 00:04:20,785 --> 00:04:23,205 His reach widened with the adoption of Proposition 114 00:04:23,264 --> 00:04:24,964 215 Medical in California, 115 00:04:25,264 --> 00:04:27,504 which started Eric working across the state both 116 00:04:27,504 --> 00:04:29,205 selling commercial sized greenhouses 117 00:04:29,665 --> 00:04:31,685 as well as offering top tier consulting. 118 00:04:32,470 --> 00:04:35,670 Since normalization began creeping across the country, Eric 119 00:04:35,670 --> 00:04:37,509 has become one of the most respected names 120 00:04:37,509 --> 00:04:39,830 in cannabis and a thought leader in cannabis 121 00:04:39,830 --> 00:04:40,330 greenhouses. 122 00:04:41,029 --> 00:04:44,069 He helps multi state operators and smaller family 123 00:04:44,069 --> 00:04:46,310 businesses across the country. And he works with 124 00:04:46,310 --> 00:04:47,770 indoor cultivators too. 125 00:04:48,205 --> 00:04:49,805 Eric has been on Shaping Fire as a 126 00:04:49,805 --> 00:04:53,245 guest before. On Shaping Fire episode 41, Eric 127 00:04:53,245 --> 00:04:55,985 was here to talk about cannabis greenhouse rescues 128 00:04:56,045 --> 00:04:58,365 when the worst scenario happens and you gotta 129 00:04:58,365 --> 00:05:01,149 save your crop, a specialty of Eric's. And 130 00:05:01,149 --> 00:05:04,129 again, gosh, all the way back 100 episodes 131 00:05:04,430 --> 00:05:07,069 and 8 years ago to Shaping Fire number 132 00:05:07,069 --> 00:05:07,569 13 133 00:05:08,029 --> 00:05:11,949 titled Maximizing Yield with Light Deprivation Techniques. Both 134 00:05:11,949 --> 00:05:12,689 great episodes. 135 00:05:13,504 --> 00:05:16,485 Today we'll be discussing greenhouses for home cultivation. 136 00:05:17,185 --> 00:05:19,985 While our insights today are applicable to most 137 00:05:19,985 --> 00:05:22,485 greenhouses that are 20 by 20 and smaller, 138 00:05:22,705 --> 00:05:25,024 we are especially focused on the green or 139 00:05:25,024 --> 00:05:27,685 white greenhouse kits that are sold on Amazon 140 00:05:27,745 --> 00:05:28,404 and elsewhere 141 00:05:28,750 --> 00:05:30,509 that are used by folks all over the 142 00:05:30,509 --> 00:05:33,089 world and are an easy greenhouse solution. 143 00:05:33,470 --> 00:05:35,389 If you've never seen one of these green 144 00:05:35,389 --> 00:05:38,509 horticulture plastic greenhouses or if you want one 145 00:05:38,509 --> 00:05:41,229 specifically that I use, there's a direct link 146 00:05:41,229 --> 00:05:42,050 on the shapingfire.com 147 00:05:42,750 --> 00:05:43,810 page for this 148 00:05:44,324 --> 00:05:45,305 episode. Easy peasy. 149 00:05:45,925 --> 00:05:47,685 So during the first set, we will discuss 150 00:05:47,685 --> 00:05:50,084 the advantages of using a greenhouse no matter 151 00:05:50,084 --> 00:05:52,644 where you are in the country, recommended sizes 152 00:05:52,644 --> 00:05:54,665 for your needs, placement on the property, 153 00:05:55,125 --> 00:05:58,425 anchoring, venting, flooring and bracing of your greenhouse. 154 00:05:58,990 --> 00:06:00,430 During the 2nd set, we will look at 155 00:06:00,430 --> 00:06:02,689 dealing with heat and cold issues of greenhouses 156 00:06:02,990 --> 00:06:05,069 and how to keep your growing parameters dialed 157 00:06:05,069 --> 00:06:07,389 in, as well as pests from insects and 158 00:06:07,389 --> 00:06:09,709 rodents up to deer. And we finished the 159 00:06:09,709 --> 00:06:12,110 episode looking to upgrade your small home greenhouse 160 00:06:12,110 --> 00:06:14,814 with light depth, adding lights, heating coils for 161 00:06:14,814 --> 00:06:16,654 the soil, and how to properly store the 162 00:06:16,654 --> 00:06:19,134 plastic over winter. All in all, a jam 163 00:06:19,134 --> 00:06:21,214 packed episode of useful ideas for the home 164 00:06:21,214 --> 00:06:21,714 cultivator. 165 00:06:22,175 --> 00:06:24,355 Hey, Eric. Welcome back to Shaping Fire. 166 00:06:25,069 --> 00:06:27,149 Hey, Shango. Thanks for having me. So glad 167 00:06:27,149 --> 00:06:27,970 to have you back. 168 00:06:28,430 --> 00:06:28,829 So, 169 00:06:29,550 --> 00:06:31,569 let's get right into it. You know, 170 00:06:32,110 --> 00:06:33,410 the biggest question 171 00:06:33,789 --> 00:06:36,509 probably at the top is is why bother 172 00:06:36,509 --> 00:06:37,329 with greenhouse 173 00:06:37,845 --> 00:06:39,204 Because we can talk a lot about the 174 00:06:39,204 --> 00:06:40,345 details of greenhouses. 175 00:06:40,724 --> 00:06:42,664 But for many people, they're like, you know, 176 00:06:42,805 --> 00:06:44,805 I don't really want the money and the 177 00:06:44,805 --> 00:06:47,044 expense. I'm just fine growing outdoors. It worked 178 00:06:47,044 --> 00:06:48,485 for me, and it worked for my pappy. 179 00:06:48,485 --> 00:06:49,925 And, like, this is the way, like, it 180 00:06:49,925 --> 00:06:50,425 goes. 181 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:51,500 And, 182 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,460 you know, when I used my first greenhouse, 183 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:56,920 I was really caught off guard by how 184 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,100 much better my plants thrived. 185 00:06:59,639 --> 00:07:01,879 So, you make this pitch to people all 186 00:07:01,879 --> 00:07:03,879 the time about why they should upgrade to 187 00:07:03,879 --> 00:07:05,720 a greenhouse. So so why don't you start 188 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:06,699 us off with that? 189 00:07:08,094 --> 00:07:09,074 Sure. I mean, 190 00:07:09,375 --> 00:07:11,634 you know, most people when they grow cannabis, 191 00:07:11,694 --> 00:07:13,854 you know, have trouble especially in the fall, 192 00:07:13,854 --> 00:07:16,894 you know, towards harvest season or harvest time, 193 00:07:16,894 --> 00:07:18,750 let's say. You know, the weather can 194 00:07:19,149 --> 00:07:20,829 start to turn bad. It starts to get 195 00:07:20,829 --> 00:07:23,870 colder. It starts to, you know, possibly even 196 00:07:23,870 --> 00:07:24,370 rain. 197 00:07:24,910 --> 00:07:26,990 And then, you know, throughout the growing cycle, 198 00:07:26,990 --> 00:07:29,149 depending on where you are, there can be 199 00:07:29,149 --> 00:07:31,389 a reason for greenhouses. I mean, people in 200 00:07:31,389 --> 00:07:33,810 New York deal with rain throughout the summer. 201 00:07:34,384 --> 00:07:36,725 You know, we're pretty lucky here in California 202 00:07:36,865 --> 00:07:38,545 through a lot of the cannabis growing where 203 00:07:38,545 --> 00:07:39,605 outdoor has been, 204 00:07:40,144 --> 00:07:42,705 pretty pretty easy for the most part except 205 00:07:42,705 --> 00:07:44,225 for, you know, some of the years we've 206 00:07:44,225 --> 00:07:47,185 had some some late early rains that, you 207 00:07:47,185 --> 00:07:49,605 know, cause problems. But generally speaking, 208 00:07:50,279 --> 00:07:51,660 the greenhouses provide 209 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,600 a benefit of protecting the plants. It's a 210 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:56,279 great way to hide your plants if you 211 00:07:56,279 --> 00:07:58,060 don't want the neighbors to see anything. 212 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,000 It also provides a great structure to be 213 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:02,759 able to pull a light depth cover over 214 00:08:02,759 --> 00:08:04,620 if you wanna do the light depth technique 215 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:05,580 as well. So 216 00:08:05,904 --> 00:08:07,665 there's a bunch of reasons to use a 217 00:08:07,665 --> 00:08:09,824 greenhouse for cannabis, but it can be a 218 00:08:09,824 --> 00:08:11,425 little bit of a double edged sword using 219 00:08:11,425 --> 00:08:13,685 a greenhouse in the summertime. But as you 220 00:08:13,904 --> 00:08:14,404 noticed, 221 00:08:14,944 --> 00:08:16,464 out on the islands where you are in 222 00:08:16,464 --> 00:08:19,185 Washington, it became a great benefit rather than 223 00:08:19,185 --> 00:08:21,029 just going straight outdoors. So, 224 00:08:21,509 --> 00:08:23,290 I think that, you know, with cannabis 225 00:08:24,069 --> 00:08:26,790 being the Michael Jordan or the super plant 226 00:08:26,790 --> 00:08:28,730 that it is compared to all other plants, 227 00:08:29,430 --> 00:08:31,189 it just seems to do really well in 228 00:08:31,189 --> 00:08:31,689 greenhouses. 229 00:08:32,309 --> 00:08:33,990 I think that's really well put. It it 230 00:08:33,990 --> 00:08:36,575 really just gives us options. You know? It 231 00:08:36,715 --> 00:08:37,934 it it gives you an opportunity 232 00:08:38,475 --> 00:08:38,955 to, 233 00:08:39,434 --> 00:08:40,095 you know, 234 00:08:40,554 --> 00:08:42,394 boost your warmth if that's what you need, 235 00:08:42,394 --> 00:08:43,995 to cut down on your wind if that's 236 00:08:43,995 --> 00:08:46,174 what you need, and to make it more 237 00:08:46,315 --> 00:08:47,995 discreet if that's what you need. It just 238 00:08:47,995 --> 00:08:49,134 it just makes options. 239 00:08:49,674 --> 00:08:50,174 And 240 00:08:51,009 --> 00:08:53,110 and and, really, these these kinds of greenhouses 241 00:08:53,250 --> 00:08:55,589 that we're focusing on today, you know, 242 00:08:56,289 --> 00:08:58,309 you you you started in, you know, NorCal 243 00:08:58,370 --> 00:09:00,610 doing all the all the gorilla and kinda 244 00:09:00,610 --> 00:09:03,089 like OG hidden stuff and then grew into 245 00:09:03,089 --> 00:09:05,350 medical. And then now you're consulting 246 00:09:05,684 --> 00:09:07,284 at least all over the country, if not 247 00:09:07,284 --> 00:09:09,125 all over the world, on these big, you 248 00:09:09,125 --> 00:09:11,524 know, multimillion dollar sh ticks. But but what 249 00:09:11,524 --> 00:09:13,445 we're talking about today are these these small 250 00:09:13,445 --> 00:09:13,945 $200 251 00:09:14,485 --> 00:09:16,884 greenhouses, which if you get them on sale, 252 00:09:16,884 --> 00:09:18,904 like, this time of year now, like, December 253 00:09:18,965 --> 00:09:20,899 for the following year, you can get things 254 00:09:20,899 --> 00:09:22,120 that'll be, like, $350 255 00:09:22,659 --> 00:09:23,959 in May for, like, $200. 256 00:09:24,819 --> 00:09:26,899 And, that that buys you a lot of 257 00:09:26,899 --> 00:09:28,360 options comes the summer. 258 00:09:29,539 --> 00:09:32,279 For sure. I mean, my business and previously 259 00:09:32,419 --> 00:09:34,279 when I was in, you know, selling greenhouses, 260 00:09:34,419 --> 00:09:36,315 I definitely was shooting for the big stuff, 261 00:09:36,315 --> 00:09:38,075 but we did spend a lot of time. 262 00:09:38,075 --> 00:09:39,995 And even when I started out with the 263 00:09:39,995 --> 00:09:41,054 greenhouse company, 264 00:09:41,754 --> 00:09:43,695 in 2006 and 7, 265 00:09:44,315 --> 00:09:47,595 we we were carrying smaller greenhouses. I mean, 266 00:09:47,595 --> 00:09:49,995 granted they were automated and expensive and way 267 00:09:49,995 --> 00:09:52,289 more expensive than any would wanna spend even 268 00:09:52,289 --> 00:09:52,789 now, 269 00:09:53,330 --> 00:09:55,570 but we were really hyper focused on, you 270 00:09:55,570 --> 00:09:57,570 know, the home grower and the medical grower. 271 00:09:57,570 --> 00:09:58,929 And so we had a 10 by 10 272 00:09:58,929 --> 00:10:01,169 and a 20 by 20. Later on, we 273 00:10:01,169 --> 00:10:02,950 created a hoop house that was 274 00:10:03,584 --> 00:10:05,824 16 by 12. It was so it was 275 00:10:05,824 --> 00:10:07,924 still kinda big, but at the same time, 276 00:10:08,225 --> 00:10:10,384 you know, our our our thoughts were always 277 00:10:10,384 --> 00:10:11,524 with the home grower, 278 00:10:12,304 --> 00:10:14,964 outside of, you know, targeting the the commercial 279 00:10:15,024 --> 00:10:17,024 growers, which was really, you know, what the 280 00:10:17,024 --> 00:10:17,524 business 281 00:10:18,110 --> 00:10:20,110 had to do. But, you know, the home 282 00:10:20,110 --> 00:10:22,589 grower was really where where it all starts. 283 00:10:22,589 --> 00:10:23,409 And and, 284 00:10:24,669 --> 00:10:26,589 you know, with the medical side of things, 285 00:10:26,589 --> 00:10:28,129 we had a lot of home growers 286 00:10:28,589 --> 00:10:30,269 early in the days. And then with the 287 00:10:30,269 --> 00:10:33,164 new legalization in various states, you know, home 288 00:10:33,164 --> 00:10:36,125 growing is still allowed in most cases. And 289 00:10:36,125 --> 00:10:39,085 so it never really went away, but, you 290 00:10:39,085 --> 00:10:41,085 know, I think that it it's a great 291 00:10:41,085 --> 00:10:43,004 opportunity for people to give it a try 292 00:10:43,004 --> 00:10:45,404 with, you know, especially these more affordable options 293 00:10:45,404 --> 00:10:46,544 that are out there now. 294 00:10:46,910 --> 00:10:47,730 Yeah. Absolutely. 295 00:10:48,350 --> 00:10:51,250 So so let's let's talk about, the footprint. 296 00:10:51,790 --> 00:10:53,170 So there are, 297 00:10:53,870 --> 00:10:54,529 you know, 298 00:10:55,470 --> 00:10:57,889 you can buy these green greenhouses, 299 00:10:59,230 --> 00:11:00,044 lots of places. 300 00:11:00,605 --> 00:11:02,225 A lot of people buy them on Amazon, 301 00:11:03,084 --> 00:11:04,605 but you can also buy them at, 302 00:11:06,125 --> 00:11:08,605 you know, different types of agricultural stores if 303 00:11:08,605 --> 00:11:11,345 you're not not into Amazon. But, I mean, 304 00:11:11,644 --> 00:11:13,485 I have to mention Amazon because so many 305 00:11:13,485 --> 00:11:13,985 people 306 00:11:14,339 --> 00:11:16,339 write to me saying I just picked one 307 00:11:16,339 --> 00:11:19,379 up on Amazon and. Right? So I'm I'm 308 00:11:19,379 --> 00:11:21,860 guessing that if 90% of the people who 309 00:11:21,860 --> 00:11:23,620 are writing to me asking questions about are 310 00:11:23,620 --> 00:11:25,860 buying them on Amazon, that that is is 311 00:11:25,860 --> 00:11:27,879 kind of the default for most people, 312 00:11:28,500 --> 00:11:30,095 for better or for worse. I 313 00:11:31,514 --> 00:11:34,014 have bought maybe 5 or 6 different brands 314 00:11:34,154 --> 00:11:35,134 on the website, 315 00:11:35,754 --> 00:11:38,014 and and while, none of them are particularly 316 00:11:38,074 --> 00:11:38,574 sponsoring 317 00:11:39,115 --> 00:11:40,495 Shapingfire right now, 318 00:11:41,274 --> 00:11:43,115 I just wanna clue folks in that I 319 00:11:43,115 --> 00:11:45,294 have liked the Quictent brand, 320 00:11:45,740 --> 00:11:47,679 q u I c t e n t, 321 00:11:47,980 --> 00:11:50,459 for their new upgraded stuff. But but really, 322 00:11:50,459 --> 00:11:53,120 I I have not gotten a bad brand 323 00:11:53,339 --> 00:11:53,839 yet. 324 00:11:54,700 --> 00:11:56,000 So so, 325 00:11:56,539 --> 00:11:58,139 you you know, take a look and and 326 00:11:58,139 --> 00:11:59,740 and see which one's on sale and which 327 00:11:59,740 --> 00:12:01,904 one looks good to you. But specifically, let's 328 00:12:01,904 --> 00:12:03,764 talk about, footprints, Eric. 329 00:12:04,625 --> 00:12:06,945 The the the ones that seem to be 330 00:12:06,945 --> 00:12:07,445 predominant 331 00:12:08,144 --> 00:12:10,884 are, you know, 15 by 7, 332 00:12:12,225 --> 00:12:14,625 10 by 10, 20 by 10, and there's 333 00:12:14,625 --> 00:12:16,465 a lot of 25 by tens all of 334 00:12:16,465 --> 00:12:17,480 a sudden. 335 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:20,039 I'm not sure why there's so many of 336 00:12:20,039 --> 00:12:20,700 the different, 337 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,799 sellers are using the same footprint, but it 338 00:12:23,799 --> 00:12:25,960 it wouldn't surprise me if they were all 339 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,159 buying their their framework from the same company 340 00:12:29,159 --> 00:12:31,004 in China, and then they're all just, you 341 00:12:31,004 --> 00:12:33,585 know, rebranding what they put on this skeleton. 342 00:12:35,884 --> 00:12:38,845 What are your thoughts in trying to, you 343 00:12:38,845 --> 00:12:41,345 know, figure out the size that you want? 344 00:12:41,644 --> 00:12:43,884 It it wouldn't surprise me if most people 345 00:12:43,884 --> 00:12:45,644 just go for, I'm going to get the 346 00:12:45,644 --> 00:12:46,144 biggest, 347 00:12:47,230 --> 00:12:49,870 that I have got room for in on 348 00:12:49,870 --> 00:12:51,089 my property. Right? 349 00:12:51,709 --> 00:12:54,190 But but some people are like myself, I 350 00:12:54,190 --> 00:12:56,269 needed to make get one that I knew 351 00:12:56,269 --> 00:12:59,225 would be 2 rows wide at least because 352 00:12:59,225 --> 00:13:00,504 I I wanted to be able to walk 353 00:13:00,504 --> 00:13:02,264 down the middle and and have plants on 354 00:13:02,264 --> 00:13:03,004 either side. 355 00:13:03,625 --> 00:13:06,524 When you were selling these, greenhouses, 356 00:13:06,904 --> 00:13:08,584 not the cheap ones I'm talking about, what 357 00:13:08,584 --> 00:13:10,264 you were selling was much nicer, but it 358 00:13:10,264 --> 00:13:11,404 had a similar footprint. 359 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,040 What kind of guidance did you give people 360 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,519 when they were trying to determine what size 361 00:13:17,519 --> 00:13:18,259 they wanted? 362 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,019 You know, that's a great question because everybody 363 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:24,705 is a little different in what they 364 00:13:25,184 --> 00:13:27,665 expect or what they want. And so with 365 00:13:27,665 --> 00:13:29,585 the greenhouses that I was dealing with, you 366 00:13:29,585 --> 00:13:31,585 know, sometimes it came down to price. People 367 00:13:31,585 --> 00:13:32,945 had a budget and this is all I 368 00:13:32,945 --> 00:13:35,105 could really spend. So we're gonna okay. We're 369 00:13:35,105 --> 00:13:36,545 gonna get what we can get out of 370 00:13:36,545 --> 00:13:37,764 this budget, basically. 371 00:13:38,730 --> 00:13:40,889 Other times, people just felt like, hey, this 372 00:13:40,889 --> 00:13:41,389 is 373 00:13:42,090 --> 00:13:42,990 and people have, 374 00:13:43,850 --> 00:13:45,450 a thought in their minds, I guess, of 375 00:13:45,450 --> 00:13:47,529 what is safe to them and what is 376 00:13:47,529 --> 00:13:48,350 not maybe, 377 00:13:48,649 --> 00:13:50,490 or what is reasonable, let's say, and what 378 00:13:50,490 --> 00:13:52,649 is maybe out of reason to an extent. 379 00:13:52,649 --> 00:13:54,404 And so, you know, a lot of people 380 00:13:54,404 --> 00:13:56,884 would call with, hey. This is the size 381 00:13:56,884 --> 00:13:59,524 that seems reasonable to me. And so a 382 00:13:59,524 --> 00:14:01,384 lot of times with the you know, they're 383 00:14:01,605 --> 00:14:03,845 not terribly bigger hoops than the ones you're 384 00:14:03,845 --> 00:14:06,245 talking about, but they are, bigger in width 385 00:14:06,245 --> 00:14:09,230 and height. And so the most common sized 386 00:14:09,230 --> 00:14:11,250 greenhouse that we sold back then, 387 00:14:11,629 --> 00:14:13,789 especially in the early days, was a 16 388 00:14:13,789 --> 00:14:15,970 by 48 or a 20 by 48. 389 00:14:16,269 --> 00:14:18,590 And I'm not a 100% sure why, but 390 00:14:18,590 --> 00:14:19,730 the majority of 391 00:14:20,054 --> 00:14:22,455 customers that would call would always stick with 392 00:14:22,455 --> 00:14:24,235 this 48 foot long greenhouse. 393 00:14:25,335 --> 00:14:27,335 And, you know, that wasn't because that's the 394 00:14:27,335 --> 00:14:29,254 size of their backyard. That just seemed to 395 00:14:29,254 --> 00:14:31,894 be the reasonable size in everybody's minds at 396 00:14:31,894 --> 00:14:33,495 the time. And so when you look at 397 00:14:33,495 --> 00:14:34,955 the greenhouses that you're 398 00:14:35,279 --> 00:14:37,600 talking about in the backyard setting or the 399 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,559 homegrower setting, it really comes down to that. 400 00:14:40,559 --> 00:14:42,659 Like, what fits in somebody's backyard 401 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:45,519 maybe without being too much of an eyesore? 402 00:14:45,519 --> 00:14:47,279 Maybe it fits in the backyard and it 403 00:14:47,279 --> 00:14:47,439 still leaves room for the animals and the 404 00:14:47,439 --> 00:14:47,600 kids to play. Maybe it's something that isn't 405 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:48,100 gonna 406 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:48,855 look 407 00:14:50,054 --> 00:14:51,654 and the kids to play. You know, maybe 408 00:14:51,654 --> 00:14:52,998 it's something that isn't gonna look too big 409 00:14:52,998 --> 00:14:56,054 to the neighbors and cause them to call 410 00:14:56,054 --> 00:14:58,294 and complain or something like that. So, I 411 00:14:58,294 --> 00:15:01,735 mean, there's a a plenty of reasons of, 412 00:15:01,735 --> 00:15:04,120 you know, why people pick these different sized 413 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:05,799 greenhouses. And I think the one that you 414 00:15:05,799 --> 00:15:08,360 picked or the company that you're, you know, 415 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:09,100 talking about 416 00:15:09,639 --> 00:15:11,419 has really, you know, found, 417 00:15:12,439 --> 00:15:14,279 the sweet spot, let's say, because a lot 418 00:15:14,279 --> 00:15:16,120 of the hobby greenhouses that have been on 419 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:17,419 the market and currently 420 00:15:17,784 --> 00:15:18,524 on the market, you know, 421 00:15:18,985 --> 00:15:19,804 are typically 422 00:15:20,424 --> 00:15:21,565 square or rectangle. 423 00:15:22,664 --> 00:15:24,684 They're usually the clear polycarbonate 424 00:15:25,144 --> 00:15:25,644 that, 425 00:15:26,105 --> 00:15:28,504 is, you know, similar to glass in its 426 00:15:28,504 --> 00:15:29,004 transparency. 427 00:15:30,105 --> 00:15:31,325 And a lot of them 428 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:34,220 are kind of difficult to put together. 429 00:15:34,679 --> 00:15:36,839 Some of them are fairly flimsy in some 430 00:15:36,839 --> 00:15:38,759 regards, and so it's really hard to find 431 00:15:38,759 --> 00:15:40,759 the right hobby greenhouse. And that's why you 432 00:15:40,759 --> 00:15:42,600 haven't seen a lot of the hobbies be 433 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:43,419 very popular, 434 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,299 until this one came along. And 435 00:15:46,625 --> 00:15:48,784 know, kinda like you're saying, there's been a 436 00:15:48,784 --> 00:15:49,684 a lot of people 437 00:15:50,225 --> 00:15:53,024 liking and buying this greenhouse off Amazon or 438 00:15:53,024 --> 00:15:54,784 similar to it, and that's just because it 439 00:15:54,784 --> 00:15:55,284 seems 440 00:15:55,904 --> 00:15:59,024 to fit that reasonable aspect of shipping, putting 441 00:15:59,024 --> 00:15:59,524 together 442 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,840 longevity, and then, you know, the sizes they 443 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:04,919 have seem to be reasonable with where people 444 00:16:04,919 --> 00:16:07,320 wanna stick those in the backyard or at 445 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:08,220 the home grow. 446 00:16:08,919 --> 00:16:11,179 Yeah. All all true. And 447 00:16:12,965 --> 00:16:15,065 4 year 5 years ago now, 448 00:16:15,445 --> 00:16:17,764 there was a big upgrade in the industry. 449 00:16:17,764 --> 00:16:19,524 They used to be all that, like, really 450 00:16:19,524 --> 00:16:23,045 cheap, kind of, like, white, really bendy, aluminum 451 00:16:23,045 --> 00:16:24,105 y kind of metal 452 00:16:24,485 --> 00:16:26,245 that, like, you get one bad storm, and 453 00:16:26,245 --> 00:16:27,860 they would mess up. And And then all 454 00:16:27,860 --> 00:16:29,779 of a sudden at once, all of the 455 00:16:29,779 --> 00:16:32,899 companies tended to, said upgraded, and they all 456 00:16:32,899 --> 00:16:34,360 moved to galvanized steel. 457 00:16:34,980 --> 00:16:36,820 And, that seems to be when they took 458 00:16:36,820 --> 00:16:38,980 off because suddenly they were they were one 459 00:16:38,980 --> 00:16:41,235 step closer to kind of like the adult 460 00:16:41,235 --> 00:16:44,115 greenhouses that you're that you're more familiar with. 461 00:16:44,115 --> 00:16:46,115 Right? Like, suddenly, they're like, oh, if you 462 00:16:46,115 --> 00:16:47,554 get a little bit if you get a 463 00:16:47,554 --> 00:16:49,735 little bit of weather, you're gonna be okay. 464 00:16:50,355 --> 00:16:50,674 And, 465 00:16:51,315 --> 00:16:53,335 and so people started going with them. 466 00:16:53,794 --> 00:16:55,960 Well, I I think that's really important to 467 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,120 note because a lot of the greenhouses and 468 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,360 even the greenhouses that I've put together over 469 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,440 the years that are, you know, a little 470 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,220 bit more, you know, a little bit more 471 00:17:04,519 --> 00:17:06,519 commercial grade, I guess you could say. I 472 00:17:06,519 --> 00:17:08,200 don't know. But it doesn't take much for 473 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,024 a wind to pick up a greenhouse and 474 00:17:10,024 --> 00:17:12,424 move it, whether it's the hobby ones or 475 00:17:12,424 --> 00:17:13,325 even the bigger, 476 00:17:14,024 --> 00:17:15,804 more commercial ones. And so 477 00:17:16,105 --> 00:17:19,065 weather and and, you know, wind and things 478 00:17:19,065 --> 00:17:21,544 can really put a hammering on a greenhouse. 479 00:17:21,544 --> 00:17:23,640 And so I think with the amount of 480 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,599 little, you know, greenhouses like yours that took 481 00:17:26,599 --> 00:17:27,099 sail 482 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,299 in a windstorm and blew off the property 483 00:17:30,599 --> 00:17:33,420 or maybe got damaged from some severe rains, 484 00:17:33,799 --> 00:17:34,940 you know, was enough, 485 00:17:35,559 --> 00:17:37,994 you know, complaints or notes to the company 486 00:17:37,994 --> 00:17:39,434 for them to go, oh, you know, here's 487 00:17:39,434 --> 00:17:40,794 what we need to do, and then they 488 00:17:40,794 --> 00:17:43,054 made that change. But I think collectively, 489 00:17:44,474 --> 00:17:45,774 you know, they had to have enough 490 00:17:46,075 --> 00:17:48,315 people complain or have problems with them for 491 00:17:48,315 --> 00:17:49,294 them to see that 492 00:17:50,154 --> 00:17:51,134 change needed. 493 00:17:51,690 --> 00:17:54,029 But it doesn't take much. I mean, honestly, 494 00:17:55,929 --> 00:17:57,849 you know, I think sometimes you can see 495 00:17:57,849 --> 00:17:59,450 the writing on the wall, and people just 496 00:17:59,450 --> 00:18:01,529 wanna try out the flimsy stuff first and 497 00:18:01,529 --> 00:18:02,909 see how far it gets them. 498 00:18:03,210 --> 00:18:05,234 Let's talk about hyghsome because, 499 00:18:05,894 --> 00:18:07,174 most of these these, 500 00:18:07,894 --> 00:18:11,275 consumer backyard greenhouses top out at 6.6 501 00:18:11,654 --> 00:18:12,154 feet. 502 00:18:12,775 --> 00:18:15,015 And, of course, this does not set one 503 00:18:15,015 --> 00:18:16,875 up for monster California's 504 00:18:17,255 --> 00:18:18,839 outdoor sized plants. 505 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,359 And so we have to, you know, be 506 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:23,579 aware of that 507 00:18:24,759 --> 00:18:25,339 and probably, 508 00:18:26,599 --> 00:18:29,419 you know, topping your plants at least once 509 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,220 and getting, you know, getting good at that. 510 00:18:32,585 --> 00:18:36,184 But, it's frustrating because with these these hobby 511 00:18:36,184 --> 00:18:36,684 greenhouses, 512 00:18:37,785 --> 00:18:38,904 they have the, 513 00:18:39,464 --> 00:18:40,445 they have the 514 00:18:41,545 --> 00:18:43,884 what's the word? Like, the curved roof. Right? 515 00:18:43,945 --> 00:18:45,785 Mhmm. And so you really only get the 516 00:18:45,785 --> 00:18:47,390 6 point 6 apex 517 00:18:47,690 --> 00:18:49,869 at the middle of the roof. 518 00:18:50,170 --> 00:18:52,670 And so if you put your walking space 519 00:18:52,730 --> 00:18:53,789 along the middle, 520 00:18:54,650 --> 00:18:56,650 you've got the head space, but then your 521 00:18:56,650 --> 00:18:58,970 plants are gonna be topping out at, like, 522 00:18:58,970 --> 00:19:01,130 6 or 5 and a half feet. And 523 00:19:01,130 --> 00:19:03,315 so so there's an argument you made to, 524 00:19:03,315 --> 00:19:04,994 like, put the plants in the middle and 525 00:19:04,994 --> 00:19:07,714 walk yourself around the side, but then when 526 00:19:07,714 --> 00:19:09,555 you're in the middle, it makes it when 527 00:19:09,555 --> 00:19:11,075 they're in the middle, it makes it harder 528 00:19:11,075 --> 00:19:13,234 to tend to every side of the plant 529 00:19:13,234 --> 00:19:14,069 because you've got them doubled up in the 530 00:19:14,069 --> 00:19:14,227 middle. What kind of, 531 00:19:16,500 --> 00:19:17,880 What kind of, 532 00:19:18,579 --> 00:19:19,240 you know, 533 00:19:20,099 --> 00:19:22,039 advice or thoughts might you have about, 534 00:19:22,339 --> 00:19:25,539 you know, an abbreviated height greenhouse that cuts 535 00:19:25,539 --> 00:19:26,440 off at 66 536 00:19:26,819 --> 00:19:27,445 versus to, you know, somebody who's got a 537 00:19:27,445 --> 00:19:27,521 commercial greenhouse, and they can go as as 538 00:19:27,521 --> 00:19:28,865 tall as they want? Somebody 539 00:19:29,484 --> 00:19:31,538 who's got a commercial greenhouse, and they can 540 00:19:31,538 --> 00:19:33,244 go as as tall as they want? Well, 541 00:19:33,244 --> 00:19:34,585 I mean, I think that we need to 542 00:19:34,585 --> 00:19:36,285 look at it as, you know, there could 543 00:19:36,285 --> 00:19:38,365 be worse problems in the world than 2 544 00:19:38,365 --> 00:19:40,285 big of plants and not being able to 545 00:19:40,285 --> 00:19:42,690 get around sometimes. And so I would say 546 00:19:42,690 --> 00:19:44,450 that maybe that could be a good thing 547 00:19:44,450 --> 00:19:46,049 even though it can be tedious and a 548 00:19:46,049 --> 00:19:48,869 little bit annoying or whatever. Like, I mean, 549 00:19:49,970 --> 00:19:52,450 but to your point, you know, I always 550 00:19:52,450 --> 00:19:54,769 advocate of trying to put plants in the 551 00:19:54,769 --> 00:19:57,349 middle or towards the center if we can. 552 00:19:57,615 --> 00:19:59,775 When you look at wintertime growing, and I 553 00:19:59,775 --> 00:20:02,015 know we're focused more on the summertime, but 554 00:20:02,015 --> 00:20:04,095 there is the season extension and things like 555 00:20:04,095 --> 00:20:05,775 that. When you start to have your plants 556 00:20:05,775 --> 00:20:07,555 closer to the walls of the greenhouse, 557 00:20:08,174 --> 00:20:10,815 they are closer to the cold, basically. And 558 00:20:10,815 --> 00:20:12,509 so being away from the walls 559 00:20:12,910 --> 00:20:14,829 gives you a chance to keep things warmer 560 00:20:14,829 --> 00:20:16,529 for free, basically. But, 561 00:20:16,910 --> 00:20:18,269 at the end of the day, I think 562 00:20:18,269 --> 00:20:20,670 like what you're talking about, topping and training 563 00:20:20,670 --> 00:20:21,650 is really important. 564 00:20:22,190 --> 00:20:22,690 Unfortunately, 565 00:20:23,150 --> 00:20:24,130 a lot of states 566 00:20:24,990 --> 00:20:27,250 and if I talk about California in particular, 567 00:20:27,434 --> 00:20:29,434 the home growers are only allowed to grow 568 00:20:29,434 --> 00:20:31,595 6 plants legally. And so, of course, you 569 00:20:31,595 --> 00:20:33,515 want those 6 plants to be as big 570 00:20:33,515 --> 00:20:35,934 as possible. But, you know, if you really 571 00:20:36,795 --> 00:20:39,115 dig dig in or look back, and maybe 572 00:20:39,115 --> 00:20:40,815 there's nothing to look back at 573 00:20:41,420 --> 00:20:43,759 literature wise or podcast wise. 574 00:20:44,299 --> 00:20:46,220 But when I look back or think back, 575 00:20:46,220 --> 00:20:47,579 I start to think about some of the 576 00:20:47,579 --> 00:20:50,220 growers in between, you know, really before the 577 00:20:50,220 --> 00:20:52,779 2 15 days and into the 2 15 578 00:20:52,779 --> 00:20:54,859 days. There were some growers up in the 579 00:20:54,859 --> 00:20:55,920 Humboldt County. 580 00:20:56,554 --> 00:20:59,355 A friend of mine, Joey Berger, the Humboldt 581 00:20:59,355 --> 00:20:59,855 local, 582 00:21:00,234 --> 00:21:01,914 one of the unique things what they used 583 00:21:01,914 --> 00:21:03,674 to do is they used to start their 584 00:21:03,674 --> 00:21:05,914 plants outside, you know, and this could be 585 00:21:05,914 --> 00:21:07,855 done in a greenhouse too, but they would 586 00:21:08,075 --> 00:21:11,275 actually lay chicken wire on the ground over 587 00:21:11,275 --> 00:21:13,799 these plants. I mean, they could grow a 588 00:21:13,799 --> 00:21:15,799 6 pound plant and it would never be 589 00:21:15,799 --> 00:21:18,119 taller than 3 feet just because of the 590 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:18,859 way that they 591 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,480 trellised it down with this chicken wire and 592 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:22,460 did this crazy 593 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,240 ground technique. And so there's only a few 594 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,105 people I've heard over the years that are 595 00:21:27,345 --> 00:21:29,424 recognized that method or have seen it or 596 00:21:29,424 --> 00:21:31,285 heard about it or anything like that. 597 00:21:31,744 --> 00:21:34,065 But it's amazing what you can do with 598 00:21:34,065 --> 00:21:35,984 some of these plants. I mean, some people 599 00:21:35,984 --> 00:21:38,544 have seen how there's growers and, you know, 600 00:21:38,544 --> 00:21:41,190 artists that'll do bonsai to these plants and 601 00:21:41,190 --> 00:21:43,190 these crazy root systems that come out of 602 00:21:43,190 --> 00:21:43,929 these nice, 603 00:21:44,950 --> 00:21:47,210 features that they create with the pots and 604 00:21:47,349 --> 00:21:49,429 and the bedding. But, you know, the cannabis 605 00:21:49,429 --> 00:21:51,750 plant can do incredible things. And so it's 606 00:21:51,750 --> 00:21:54,389 surprising of how much trellising and bending and 607 00:21:54,389 --> 00:21:56,424 keeping a plant spread out low to the 608 00:21:56,424 --> 00:21:56,924 ground, 609 00:21:58,025 --> 00:21:58,845 that's possible. 610 00:21:59,865 --> 00:22:01,865 So I would say that, you know, on 611 00:22:01,865 --> 00:22:04,125 the on the easy side, yeah, topping them, 612 00:22:04,505 --> 00:22:06,585 but secondly, you know, how far can you 613 00:22:06,585 --> 00:22:08,744 spread your plants and how much can you 614 00:22:08,744 --> 00:22:10,289 bend them and bring them around. And it 615 00:22:10,289 --> 00:22:11,509 does take a lot of 616 00:22:11,809 --> 00:22:13,330 I wouldn't say a lot of, but it 617 00:22:13,330 --> 00:22:16,049 takes some extra work and and tending to 618 00:22:16,049 --> 00:22:17,970 to do some of this stuff. But it 619 00:22:17,970 --> 00:22:19,190 isn't out of the question 620 00:22:19,570 --> 00:22:21,490 to be able to train your plants to 621 00:22:21,490 --> 00:22:23,750 grow low and still stack on, 622 00:22:24,370 --> 00:22:25,190 good weight. 623 00:22:26,265 --> 00:22:28,585 I know from when you've been on Shaping 624 00:22:28,585 --> 00:22:30,825 Fire before, and we've talked about large scale 625 00:22:30,825 --> 00:22:31,325 greenhouses, 626 00:22:31,865 --> 00:22:34,265 that you put a lot of blood, sweat, 627 00:22:34,265 --> 00:22:35,485 and tears into 628 00:22:36,025 --> 00:22:36,525 studying 629 00:22:36,825 --> 00:22:37,565 the placement 630 00:22:37,890 --> 00:22:39,269 of big greenhouses 631 00:22:39,650 --> 00:22:40,549 on the property 632 00:22:41,170 --> 00:22:42,390 and studying microclimates 633 00:22:42,849 --> 00:22:43,509 and then, 634 00:22:44,289 --> 00:22:45,029 you know, 635 00:22:45,490 --> 00:22:48,789 lovingly encouraging the owners to put the greenhouse 636 00:22:48,930 --> 00:22:51,809 to smart place instead of necessarily the convenient 637 00:22:51,809 --> 00:22:52,154 place. 638 00:22:52,715 --> 00:22:53,195 And, 639 00:22:53,674 --> 00:22:55,775 you know, when it comes to backyard greenhouses, 640 00:22:56,154 --> 00:22:57,934 I would say the same is true, 641 00:22:58,955 --> 00:23:01,275 and yet you have even more pressure. Like, 642 00:23:01,275 --> 00:23:02,875 oh, but that's where the garage goes, or, 643 00:23:02,875 --> 00:23:04,394 oh, that's where the dog run is, or, 644 00:23:04,394 --> 00:23:07,460 oh, that's where the that's where every summer 645 00:23:07,460 --> 00:23:09,139 we put up the pool or, you know, 646 00:23:09,139 --> 00:23:09,639 whatever. 647 00:23:10,259 --> 00:23:11,799 There are lots of demands 648 00:23:12,259 --> 00:23:14,440 on, you know, somebody's backyard. 649 00:23:14,980 --> 00:23:17,639 Now assuming that they have options 650 00:23:17,940 --> 00:23:19,704 instead of just it's the only place in 651 00:23:19,704 --> 00:23:20,964 the yard for it, 652 00:23:21,585 --> 00:23:23,284 can you give us some, like, 653 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,505 you know, thumbnail suggestions for where we might 654 00:23:27,505 --> 00:23:29,765 want to place the greenhouse on the property? 655 00:23:30,865 --> 00:23:31,845 Sure. I mean, 656 00:23:32,220 --> 00:23:33,659 you know, back in the day, one of 657 00:23:33,659 --> 00:23:35,519 the things that we'd look to is that, 658 00:23:35,980 --> 00:23:38,319 you know, whenever people call for 659 00:23:39,339 --> 00:23:41,500 and this technology is changing over time. I 660 00:23:41,500 --> 00:23:43,900 think there's apps and more things now on 661 00:23:43,900 --> 00:23:45,039 our phones to 662 00:23:46,075 --> 00:23:47,755 sort this stuff out than ever. But, you 663 00:23:47,755 --> 00:23:49,914 know, originally, when a solar person would come 664 00:23:49,914 --> 00:23:51,755 out to give you an estimate for solar 665 00:23:51,755 --> 00:23:53,695 on your house, they would have this device, 666 00:23:54,075 --> 00:23:56,555 handheld device, that would basically tell them where 667 00:23:56,555 --> 00:23:59,115 the sun was and the shadows are for 668 00:23:59,115 --> 00:24:01,500 the 12 hours of the day. And so 669 00:24:01,500 --> 00:24:03,660 they would come out with this handheld device, 670 00:24:03,660 --> 00:24:05,740 stand in a few spots, and look and 671 00:24:05,740 --> 00:24:08,380 see where the trajectory of the sun and 672 00:24:08,380 --> 00:24:09,820 the shade is gonna be. And they would 673 00:24:09,820 --> 00:24:11,740 say, ah, this is the sunniest spot on 674 00:24:11,740 --> 00:24:13,339 your property. This is where you want your 675 00:24:13,339 --> 00:24:14,160 solar panels. 676 00:24:14,474 --> 00:24:15,694 So we kinda started 677 00:24:16,075 --> 00:24:18,315 adopting that same idea with, you know, where 678 00:24:18,315 --> 00:24:19,994 do I put my greenhouse? We wanna put 679 00:24:19,994 --> 00:24:22,335 it in the sunniest spot possible. And so 680 00:24:22,634 --> 00:24:24,554 we would use, you know, some of the 681 00:24:24,554 --> 00:24:25,375 same techniques. 682 00:24:26,315 --> 00:24:27,914 Now, you know, like I said with the 683 00:24:27,914 --> 00:24:28,710 apps and 684 00:24:29,269 --> 00:24:29,750 and, 685 00:24:30,630 --> 00:24:32,409 other things that we 686 00:24:33,109 --> 00:24:35,509 might use as far as instruments or tools, 687 00:24:35,509 --> 00:24:36,169 we can 688 00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:38,789 still do the same thing and maybe do 689 00:24:38,789 --> 00:24:40,390 it a little bit more affordable or a 690 00:24:40,390 --> 00:24:41,130 little easier. 691 00:24:41,825 --> 00:24:43,345 But I would say that one of the 692 00:24:43,345 --> 00:24:44,945 things that I like to look to is 693 00:24:44,945 --> 00:24:47,265 that to make sure that the fall sun 694 00:24:47,265 --> 00:24:49,605 or the the late summer sun, 695 00:24:50,384 --> 00:24:51,125 is really 696 00:24:51,664 --> 00:24:52,644 intense or, 697 00:24:53,345 --> 00:24:55,184 really good. So what I mean by that 698 00:24:55,184 --> 00:24:55,799 is that, 699 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:58,220 I lived in, 700 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,180 5 acres of pasture land 701 00:25:01,559 --> 00:25:03,960 for 20 years, and so sun really wasn't 702 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,100 that big of a problem. 703 00:25:05,559 --> 00:25:07,720 But recently, I moved 20 minutes up the 704 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,400 road and I'm in the forest and it's 705 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,924 literally barely get it gets any sun here. 706 00:25:11,924 --> 00:25:13,384 And so it's not the great 707 00:25:13,765 --> 00:25:16,005 greatest place for growing cannabis. But I did 708 00:25:16,005 --> 00:25:18,244 find a really sunny spot, and I thought 709 00:25:18,244 --> 00:25:19,684 I'd give it a whirl this year and 710 00:25:19,684 --> 00:25:21,525 put out just 3 plants. I didn't even 711 00:25:21,525 --> 00:25:23,609 use a greenhouse because I just wanted to 712 00:25:23,849 --> 00:25:25,929 test out this new spot after we cleared 713 00:25:25,929 --> 00:25:27,309 some trees. And so 714 00:25:27,609 --> 00:25:29,849 while the spot was really sunny throughout the 715 00:25:29,849 --> 00:25:32,190 summer and the plants grew fairly tall, 716 00:25:32,490 --> 00:25:34,730 as we started getting into the fall, the 717 00:25:34,730 --> 00:25:36,029 sun started changing. 718 00:25:36,965 --> 00:25:39,045 And basically, I got a lot of shade 719 00:25:39,045 --> 00:25:41,285 when I needed a lot of sun for 720 00:25:41,285 --> 00:25:43,144 the ripening and the flower production. 721 00:25:43,605 --> 00:25:45,365 And so that's where it suffered the most. 722 00:25:45,365 --> 00:25:46,644 And I would say that, you know, a 723 00:25:46,644 --> 00:25:48,565 lot of plants will veg and grow pretty 724 00:25:48,565 --> 00:25:50,244 well even in a little bit of shade 725 00:25:50,244 --> 00:25:52,299 or some shade in the afternoon, 726 00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:54,220 mixed shade, let's say. 727 00:25:54,599 --> 00:25:57,500 But when you start to have the seasons 728 00:25:57,559 --> 00:25:59,960 change and that sun becomes diminished during the 729 00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:02,279 flowering time, that's where you're gonna be the 730 00:26:02,279 --> 00:26:03,640 most bummed. And so I wouldn't 731 00:26:04,335 --> 00:26:06,974 I would what I would recommend is trying 732 00:26:06,974 --> 00:26:08,894 to make sure that that sunny spot you 733 00:26:08,894 --> 00:26:10,974 pick is sunny all the way through the 734 00:26:10,974 --> 00:26:12,815 finish. And so if you happen to be 735 00:26:12,815 --> 00:26:14,335 in the forest and you say, oh, this 736 00:26:14,335 --> 00:26:16,174 is a sunny spot, that might be true, 737 00:26:16,174 --> 00:26:18,654 but is it gonna stay sunny the entire 738 00:26:18,654 --> 00:26:20,809 time? And if it's not, I would find 739 00:26:20,809 --> 00:26:22,410 a place or cut a tree or do 740 00:26:22,410 --> 00:26:24,269 something to make sure that you get 741 00:26:24,650 --> 00:26:25,390 that late, 742 00:26:25,690 --> 00:26:28,250 summer sun for the flower development and the 743 00:26:28,250 --> 00:26:28,750 ripening. 744 00:26:29,609 --> 00:26:31,769 That is so true, especially if you live 745 00:26:31,769 --> 00:26:34,845 a place that isn't as gifted with, cultivation 746 00:26:34,845 --> 00:26:37,404 weather as California. Right? Like Mhmm. Up here 747 00:26:37,404 --> 00:26:38,144 in Washington, 748 00:26:38,684 --> 00:26:40,384 my, my son disappears, 749 00:26:41,484 --> 00:26:42,544 there in September. 750 00:26:42,924 --> 00:26:43,744 And so, 751 00:26:44,684 --> 00:26:46,304 my first couple years here, 752 00:26:46,799 --> 00:26:48,960 I was positioned where the sun was in 753 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:49,460 July 754 00:26:49,919 --> 00:26:51,599 because I was all excited to bring the 755 00:26:51,599 --> 00:26:52,419 plants outdoors. 756 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:54,159 But by, 757 00:26:54,559 --> 00:26:56,819 by, you know, 3rd week of September, 758 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,544 it it was cutting across the sky differently. 759 00:26:59,684 --> 00:27:01,924 And we already have such a hard time 760 00:27:01,924 --> 00:27:03,704 finishing plants where I live 761 00:27:04,244 --> 00:27:06,005 that you really need to put that tent 762 00:27:06,005 --> 00:27:07,845 where where you're gonna get the most bang 763 00:27:07,845 --> 00:27:09,224 for your buck in September 764 00:27:09,605 --> 00:27:12,420 and, you know, other places, October too, but 765 00:27:12,420 --> 00:27:14,179 we can't we can't grow in October here 766 00:27:14,179 --> 00:27:16,200 where I live at all. So Right. 767 00:27:16,740 --> 00:27:19,160 Yeah. So, alright. So, 768 00:27:19,779 --> 00:27:21,539 let's talk about now that we have figured 769 00:27:21,539 --> 00:27:23,559 out where they're gonna be in our property, 770 00:27:24,019 --> 00:27:26,279 let's talk about anchoring them down. 771 00:27:26,984 --> 00:27:28,184 I think that a lot of people are 772 00:27:28,184 --> 00:27:29,884 just all like, well, it's a big greenhouse. 773 00:27:29,944 --> 00:27:31,325 It's not gonna fly away. 774 00:27:31,785 --> 00:27:33,865 Yes. Yes. It's gonna fly away if you 775 00:27:33,865 --> 00:27:35,325 don't tie it down. 776 00:27:36,265 --> 00:27:38,684 I I I I don't know what professionals 777 00:27:38,744 --> 00:27:40,505 use, but all I've done is I I 778 00:27:40,607 --> 00:27:42,890 I've picked up a really nice, 779 00:27:44,470 --> 00:27:46,569 tent. What do you call those? Tent stakes? 780 00:27:46,869 --> 00:27:48,869 Mhmm. And, I wrap a, 781 00:27:49,269 --> 00:27:49,769 industrial 782 00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:51,190 size zip, 783 00:27:51,589 --> 00:27:53,769 zip tie around the bottom 784 00:27:54,695 --> 00:27:55,595 metal bar 785 00:27:56,055 --> 00:27:57,654 and and then I create a loop with 786 00:27:57,654 --> 00:27:59,015 it and then I put the, 787 00:28:00,214 --> 00:28:01,974 I put the stake through it and I 788 00:28:01,974 --> 00:28:05,174 do, you know, on my 20 foot by 789 00:28:05,174 --> 00:28:07,815 tens, I will I'll put, like, you know, 790 00:28:07,815 --> 00:28:09,990 6 of those on each side holding it 791 00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:11,210 really down 792 00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:12,410 and you know 793 00:28:12,869 --> 00:28:14,950 occasionally during the summer I might I might 794 00:28:14,950 --> 00:28:17,990 lose a zip tie but not not all 795 00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:18,150 the time what do what what do adults 796 00:28:18,150 --> 00:28:18,650 use 797 00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:20,090 like 798 00:28:34,234 --> 00:28:35,730 correct way to do it. But, 799 00:28:36,769 --> 00:28:39,650 sometimes things resonate with 1 person better than 800 00:28:39,890 --> 00:28:42,609 or one idea resonates with somebody better than 801 00:28:42,609 --> 00:28:45,269 the other idea. And so I think the 802 00:28:45,569 --> 00:28:46,630 bigger, fancy, 803 00:28:47,569 --> 00:28:49,970 stronger tent stakes like you're talking about are 804 00:28:49,970 --> 00:28:50,950 a great option. 805 00:28:51,965 --> 00:28:54,225 The other thing that I've used is concrete 806 00:28:54,285 --> 00:28:54,785 stakes. 807 00:28:55,805 --> 00:28:56,785 Concrete stakes 808 00:28:57,085 --> 00:28:57,585 are 809 00:28:58,125 --> 00:29:00,765 basically heavy metal bars with a pointy end 810 00:29:00,765 --> 00:29:02,924 on it, and they also have holes drilled 811 00:29:02,924 --> 00:29:04,785 into it. And so for me, it was 812 00:29:04,924 --> 00:29:06,945 a lot of the greenhouses that we did. 813 00:29:07,230 --> 00:29:08,910 Some of them we did, as you know, 814 00:29:08,910 --> 00:29:12,190 as dim as booths for trade shows and 815 00:29:12,190 --> 00:29:14,509 lounges. And, you know, there was other people 816 00:29:14,509 --> 00:29:16,269 that wanted to do a similar greenhouse, but 817 00:29:16,269 --> 00:29:17,630 they knew they were gonna move it. So 818 00:29:17,630 --> 00:29:18,450 they didn't wanna 819 00:29:18,750 --> 00:29:20,750 auger the holes and cement them in like 820 00:29:20,750 --> 00:29:22,694 you're supposed to, like the plan say. And 821 00:29:23,255 --> 00:29:25,815 so when some of the greenhouses maybe have 822 00:29:25,815 --> 00:29:27,575 a baseboard at the bottom, it could be 823 00:29:27,575 --> 00:29:29,734 a small 2 by 4 or something like 824 00:29:29,734 --> 00:29:31,994 that around the base perimeter of the greenhouse, 825 00:29:32,855 --> 00:29:34,534 even if there's not one. But the tent 826 00:29:34,694 --> 00:29:36,234 the concrete stakes 827 00:29:37,109 --> 00:29:38,869 work really well because you can get them 828 00:29:38,869 --> 00:29:41,829 in a 8 inch, 12 inch, 24 inch, 829 00:29:41,829 --> 00:29:44,309 36 inch concrete stakes. So you can really 830 00:29:44,309 --> 00:29:46,309 drive them down pretty good. And if you 831 00:29:46,309 --> 00:29:48,009 have it right up next to the greenhouse, 832 00:29:48,724 --> 00:29:50,644 you can use those holes that are pre 833 00:29:50,644 --> 00:29:52,724 drilled into that concrete stake close to the 834 00:29:52,724 --> 00:29:54,825 top once it's all the way tapped in 835 00:29:55,205 --> 00:29:57,125 and run some wire through it, run a 836 00:29:57,125 --> 00:29:58,744 zip tie through it, or even 837 00:29:59,045 --> 00:30:00,805 take a screw and screw it right into 838 00:30:00,805 --> 00:30:03,464 the baseboard and it stays pretty well attached. 839 00:30:03,605 --> 00:30:04,184 And so 840 00:30:05,019 --> 00:30:06,559 concrete stakes have been popular, 841 00:30:07,180 --> 00:30:10,140 rebar cut up into various lengths and section 842 00:30:10,140 --> 00:30:13,039 has been popular, kinda doing the similar thing. 843 00:30:13,099 --> 00:30:15,180 There's other people that have taken rebar and 844 00:30:15,180 --> 00:30:17,595 bent it in half so it makes kinda 845 00:30:17,674 --> 00:30:18,255 a horseshoe 846 00:30:18,794 --> 00:30:20,654 or a a u shape. So you're basically 847 00:30:20,714 --> 00:30:22,095 driving it into the ground, 848 00:30:22,474 --> 00:30:25,275 maybe straddling something of the greenhouse, maybe a 849 00:30:25,275 --> 00:30:25,775 bottom, 850 00:30:26,875 --> 00:30:29,534 sideboard or purlin or something that 851 00:30:29,835 --> 00:30:31,835 maybe you can attach to and and do 852 00:30:31,835 --> 00:30:32,494 that with. 853 00:30:33,490 --> 00:30:35,490 Another thing that people have done is similar 854 00:30:35,490 --> 00:30:37,329 to what you maybe see when people put 855 00:30:37,329 --> 00:30:37,990 up those 856 00:30:38,369 --> 00:30:40,950 party tents or circus type tents for 857 00:30:42,289 --> 00:30:44,630 get togethers and things is where they 858 00:30:45,205 --> 00:30:47,605 actually throw the strap over you know, a 859 00:30:47,605 --> 00:30:49,465 ratchet strap over the entire 860 00:30:49,924 --> 00:30:50,424 greenhouse 861 00:30:51,205 --> 00:30:53,285 and attach it to something that's fixed into 862 00:30:53,285 --> 00:30:55,605 the ground. And in some cases, there's been 863 00:30:55,605 --> 00:30:57,765 places where we've put things up that we're 864 00:30:57,765 --> 00:31:00,085 not allowed to drive stakes into the ground. 865 00:31:00,085 --> 00:31:01,279 So we fill up, 866 00:31:01,740 --> 00:31:02,799 a bucket with, 867 00:31:03,580 --> 00:31:06,059 cement. So you'll take a 5 gallon bucket, 868 00:31:06,059 --> 00:31:07,820 dump a cement bag into it, and fill 869 00:31:07,820 --> 00:31:09,740 it with water, and you basically have this 870 00:31:09,740 --> 00:31:10,240 hardened 871 00:31:10,940 --> 00:31:13,545 cement bucket, for a lack of better words. 872 00:31:13,705 --> 00:31:15,805 And some people will even put a fancy 873 00:31:15,865 --> 00:31:18,345 hook maybe inside that concrete so then it 874 00:31:18,345 --> 00:31:18,845 dries. 875 00:31:19,225 --> 00:31:21,005 You actually have something to hook 876 00:31:21,305 --> 00:31:23,625 to that concrete inside the bucket. And so 877 00:31:23,625 --> 00:31:25,705 people will put the buckets around the perimeter 878 00:31:25,705 --> 00:31:28,025 of the greenhouse, throw these straps over the 879 00:31:28,025 --> 00:31:28,525 greenhouse, 880 00:31:29,230 --> 00:31:31,309 and then attach them to these buckets. And 881 00:31:31,309 --> 00:31:33,869 so it's not to be ratcheted down so 882 00:31:33,869 --> 00:31:36,769 tight that it's actually pulling your greenhouse down, 883 00:31:37,230 --> 00:31:39,069 but it avoids it from being able to 884 00:31:39,069 --> 00:31:40,609 take off or lift off. 885 00:31:41,365 --> 00:31:42,184 Listening to 886 00:31:42,724 --> 00:31:43,704 you, kinda 887 00:31:45,125 --> 00:31:46,825 name off all these different solutions, 888 00:31:47,204 --> 00:31:48,345 I just felt so 889 00:31:48,804 --> 00:31:50,744 proud of of stoner ingenuity. 890 00:31:51,444 --> 00:31:53,924 You know? Like like, you you take these 891 00:31:53,924 --> 00:31:55,444 plus all the ones that we're not even 892 00:31:55,444 --> 00:31:57,849 gonna mention. Like, people are always figuring stuff 893 00:31:57,849 --> 00:31:59,529 out in new and novel ways in our 894 00:31:59,529 --> 00:32:00,029 scene. 895 00:32:00,890 --> 00:32:02,410 Oh, for sure. I think, you know, you 896 00:32:02,410 --> 00:32:04,890 could take whatever we just explained and and 897 00:32:04,890 --> 00:32:06,569 hybridize it or do it a little bit 898 00:32:06,569 --> 00:32:09,015 differently with the same parts, and then you 899 00:32:09,015 --> 00:32:12,734 and I learn something. Totally. It doesn't surprise 900 00:32:12,734 --> 00:32:14,355 me that we've already mentioned 901 00:32:14,815 --> 00:32:15,634 Joey Burger 902 00:32:16,095 --> 00:32:17,394 as an innovative 903 00:32:17,775 --> 00:32:19,875 cannabis person because he's always 904 00:32:20,750 --> 00:32:22,590 posting about, oh, I'm trying this new thing, 905 00:32:22,590 --> 00:32:24,350 you know, and I and I really appreciate 906 00:32:24,350 --> 00:32:26,830 people who are, you know, thought leaders like 907 00:32:26,830 --> 00:32:27,410 that. Right? 908 00:32:28,269 --> 00:32:30,590 Yeah. Necessity is the mother of invention, and 909 00:32:30,590 --> 00:32:31,890 when you're, you know, 910 00:32:32,430 --> 00:32:34,144 when you've smoked a couple, it really can 911 00:32:34,144 --> 00:32:35,904 go you can really go out there with 912 00:32:35,904 --> 00:32:38,724 it. Yeah. Alright. So let let's talk about, 913 00:32:39,664 --> 00:32:41,904 the skin when the plastic is is put 914 00:32:41,904 --> 00:32:42,404 on. 915 00:32:43,025 --> 00:32:46,065 The the only and and biggest issue that 916 00:32:46,065 --> 00:32:47,765 I have run into with, 917 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:49,779 a season of plastic 918 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,099 is when there is rain, 919 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:54,579 it is often, 920 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:56,900 it it often creates, 921 00:32:57,279 --> 00:32:58,819 like, divots in the plastic 922 00:32:59,119 --> 00:32:59,619 where, 923 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:01,700 water will collect. 924 00:33:02,634 --> 00:33:05,295 Now people who have got more professional greenhouses 925 00:33:05,994 --> 00:33:08,795 will immediately say, oh, it's not it's, you 926 00:33:08,795 --> 00:33:11,055 know, it's it's not pulled tight enough. 927 00:33:11,515 --> 00:33:12,875 You have to, you know, you have to 928 00:33:12,875 --> 00:33:15,115 have, like, channel locks on either side of 929 00:33:15,115 --> 00:33:15,855 the greenhouse 930 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:17,899 to to really, you know, 931 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:19,899 lock that in. But 932 00:33:20,359 --> 00:33:22,759 these these greenhouses are are much too small 933 00:33:22,759 --> 00:33:24,440 for that. I forget what those things are 934 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,519 called. That little the little wiggle wire. What's 935 00:33:26,519 --> 00:33:28,119 that sound? Yep. That's what it's called. Wiggle 936 00:33:28,119 --> 00:33:29,559 wire. Oh, is it called wiggle wire? Alright. 937 00:33:29,559 --> 00:33:31,994 Great. So it's like these these greenhouses are 938 00:33:31,994 --> 00:33:33,595 just too small for that. And, like, you 939 00:33:33,595 --> 00:33:36,075 know, you could, but you should probably double 940 00:33:36,075 --> 00:33:38,315 the price of the greenhouse by adding wiggle 941 00:33:38,315 --> 00:33:39,214 wire minimum. 942 00:33:39,994 --> 00:33:40,494 So 943 00:33:41,115 --> 00:33:43,534 so so really what we're talking about is 944 00:33:44,429 --> 00:33:46,769 ways to support the roof differently. 945 00:33:47,389 --> 00:33:48,990 And this year was the 1st year that 946 00:33:48,990 --> 00:33:52,049 I tried just simply to run rope 947 00:33:52,349 --> 00:33:54,369 back and forth between the ribs 948 00:33:54,909 --> 00:33:56,369 that would create, 949 00:33:57,389 --> 00:33:57,889 additional 950 00:33:58,349 --> 00:34:00,575 support in between the ribs. 951 00:34:00,875 --> 00:34:03,035 And it worked out it worked out okay. 952 00:34:03,035 --> 00:34:04,555 I definitely took it all apart, and I'm 953 00:34:04,555 --> 00:34:06,795 gonna try it again next year with with 954 00:34:06,795 --> 00:34:07,615 a a, 955 00:34:08,155 --> 00:34:10,974 a a thinner rope wrapped more times. 956 00:34:11,380 --> 00:34:13,719 But is is there anything at the professional 957 00:34:13,780 --> 00:34:16,500 level that you recommend to people to to 958 00:34:16,500 --> 00:34:19,960 help fill in those gaps between the ribs 959 00:34:20,340 --> 00:34:23,300 so that the water doesn't create, like, little 960 00:34:23,300 --> 00:34:23,800 buckets? 961 00:34:24,815 --> 00:34:26,654 Yeah. I mean, that happens even on big 962 00:34:26,654 --> 00:34:30,114 greenhouses or or, you know, traditional greenhouses or 963 00:34:31,295 --> 00:34:34,255 commercial gray, whatever. But, I mean, it it 964 00:34:34,255 --> 00:34:36,574 does come down to sometimes the way these 965 00:34:36,574 --> 00:34:37,554 things are manufactured 966 00:34:37,855 --> 00:34:39,780 and how the plastic goes on. And, 967 00:34:40,179 --> 00:34:40,760 you know, 968 00:34:41,619 --> 00:34:43,619 9 times out of 10, not everything's a 969 00:34:43,619 --> 00:34:45,960 100% ideal, but it's close enough. 970 00:34:46,659 --> 00:34:47,960 And, you know, 971 00:34:48,260 --> 00:34:50,099 I do suggest to make sure that when 972 00:34:50,099 --> 00:34:52,260 people do put their plastics on, they try 973 00:34:52,260 --> 00:34:54,344 to do it on a sunny day. You 974 00:34:54,344 --> 00:34:56,744 know, it's good to pull out the plastic 975 00:34:56,744 --> 00:34:58,265 and maybe lay it on top of the 976 00:34:58,265 --> 00:35:00,105 greenhouse or on the ground right next to 977 00:35:00,105 --> 00:35:01,965 the greenhouse and let it get hot. 978 00:35:02,265 --> 00:35:04,505 And that way, it a lot of times, 979 00:35:04,505 --> 00:35:06,744 as as most people know, when things are 980 00:35:06,744 --> 00:35:09,130 warm, they're a little bit more pliable or 981 00:35:09,130 --> 00:35:11,769 malleable. And and when things are cold, they're 982 00:35:11,769 --> 00:35:13,309 a little bit more stiff and 983 00:35:14,010 --> 00:35:15,469 harder to deal with. And 984 00:35:16,010 --> 00:35:18,570 and most, if not all, greenhouse plastics are 985 00:35:18,570 --> 00:35:20,590 the same way. And so it's good to 986 00:35:20,730 --> 00:35:22,329 lay it out, let it get warm, and 987 00:35:22,329 --> 00:35:24,355 really try to stretch it on as tight 988 00:35:24,355 --> 00:35:26,275 as possible so that when it does cool 989 00:35:26,275 --> 00:35:27,335 down, that contraction, 990 00:35:27,954 --> 00:35:30,454 you know, is what creates that tighter, 991 00:35:31,715 --> 00:35:32,215 fit. 992 00:35:32,675 --> 00:35:33,175 So 993 00:35:33,555 --> 00:35:35,635 to to basically hold things on a little 994 00:35:35,635 --> 00:35:37,795 bit better, it it's tricky. I've seen people 995 00:35:37,795 --> 00:35:40,390 use, you know, the the really sticky, fancy 996 00:35:40,390 --> 00:35:42,630 Velcro from Home Depot to try to rig 997 00:35:42,630 --> 00:35:43,449 things up. 998 00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:45,929 Using lath or PVC 999 00:35:46,949 --> 00:35:49,030 in conjunction with the ropes like you talked 1000 00:35:49,030 --> 00:35:51,255 about to create purlins and things that go 1001 00:35:51,255 --> 00:35:53,174 between each rib to try to create the 1002 00:35:53,174 --> 00:35:53,674 rigid 1003 00:35:57,414 --> 00:36:00,054 make the structure more rigid. So it doesn't 1004 00:36:00,054 --> 00:36:02,375 always help the plastic, but sometimes when you're 1005 00:36:02,375 --> 00:36:04,534 messing around with things like you're talking about, 1006 00:36:04,534 --> 00:36:06,074 you go in and you do something 1007 00:36:06,650 --> 00:36:08,329 and maybe it works pretty good. And a 1008 00:36:08,329 --> 00:36:10,410 lot of times, we have this moment going, 1009 00:36:10,410 --> 00:36:11,930 well, if I was to do this again, 1010 00:36:11,930 --> 00:36:13,849 I'd do it this way. And it sounds 1011 00:36:13,849 --> 00:36:15,869 like that's kinda where you are with your, 1012 00:36:15,930 --> 00:36:16,510 you know, 1013 00:36:16,969 --> 00:36:19,130 possibility of doing this. That's exactly where I, 1014 00:36:19,454 --> 00:36:20,735 the the the, like, the first year I 1015 00:36:20,735 --> 00:36:23,055 did this, I tried packing tape, and that 1016 00:36:23,055 --> 00:36:24,974 was great, but it broke over the course 1017 00:36:24,974 --> 00:36:26,655 of the year just from the weather. And 1018 00:36:26,655 --> 00:36:28,515 then and then this year was rope, 1019 00:36:29,535 --> 00:36:31,215 but but I need I need to come 1020 00:36:31,215 --> 00:36:33,215 up with a different pattern so that it 1021 00:36:33,215 --> 00:36:34,114 gets more coverage. 1022 00:36:35,159 --> 00:36:37,319 Yeah. No. And and, you know, in some 1023 00:36:37,319 --> 00:36:39,480 cases, you know, if you thumb through some 1024 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,559 of the greenhouse catalogs, you know, I mean, 1025 00:36:41,559 --> 00:36:43,639 there's the catalogs that get sent to you 1026 00:36:43,639 --> 00:36:44,380 in the mail. 1027 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:45,739 There's the 1028 00:36:46,359 --> 00:36:49,074 online ones, you know, like Greenhouse Megastore, 1029 00:36:49,375 --> 00:36:51,775 for instance. There's some others out there on 1030 00:36:51,775 --> 00:36:54,275 the East Coast, like Griffin Greenhouse. And 1031 00:36:54,574 --> 00:36:56,574 I would say that, you know, sometimes when 1032 00:36:56,574 --> 00:36:58,815 you're going through these catalogs and these online 1033 00:36:58,815 --> 00:37:00,994 things, you run into new things that, 1034 00:37:02,010 --> 00:37:04,670 could be applicable to a home grow greenhouse. 1035 00:37:04,730 --> 00:37:06,170 And so they do sell a lot of 1036 00:37:06,170 --> 00:37:08,030 do it yourself parts for creating 1037 00:37:09,050 --> 00:37:11,130 backyard and maybe home grow or do it 1038 00:37:11,130 --> 00:37:13,390 yourself greenhouses. But at the same time, 1039 00:37:13,715 --> 00:37:15,715 there are certain parts and things that we 1040 00:37:15,715 --> 00:37:17,335 run into that could be 1041 00:37:17,635 --> 00:37:20,914 useful in whatever greenhouse you're using or the 1042 00:37:20,914 --> 00:37:23,074 one that you're talking about in particular. And 1043 00:37:23,074 --> 00:37:23,574 so 1044 00:37:24,675 --> 00:37:26,610 sometimes there's stuff out there that's been around 1045 00:37:26,690 --> 00:37:28,450 for a long time, we just haven't noticed 1046 00:37:28,450 --> 00:37:30,369 it because we're flipping through the pages so 1047 00:37:30,369 --> 00:37:32,070 fast looking for something else. 1048 00:37:32,450 --> 00:37:34,769 And so surprisingly enough that I mean, there's 1049 00:37:34,769 --> 00:37:36,769 even a place here in Grass Valley called 1050 00:37:36,769 --> 00:37:38,470 Peaceful Valley Farm Supply 1051 00:37:38,894 --> 00:37:40,375 that ships a lot of stuff. And over 1052 00:37:40,375 --> 00:37:42,655 the years, they've had greenhouse parts too. So 1053 00:37:42,655 --> 00:37:45,215 it's just a matter of kinda looking around 1054 00:37:45,215 --> 00:37:45,715 and 1055 00:37:46,015 --> 00:37:46,914 and, you know, 1056 00:37:47,695 --> 00:37:49,855 really trying to engage in what you're what 1057 00:37:49,855 --> 00:37:50,594 you're doing 1058 00:37:51,215 --> 00:37:53,215 for your plastic and seeing if any of 1059 00:37:53,215 --> 00:37:55,280 these other things might fit or work 1060 00:37:56,140 --> 00:37:58,059 or or help in any ways. But I 1061 00:37:58,059 --> 00:38:01,340 would say that generally speaking, getting greenhouse plastic 1062 00:38:01,340 --> 00:38:03,119 tight so that it doesn't hold water 1063 00:38:03,660 --> 00:38:06,460 is pretty common for everybody in the hoop 1064 00:38:06,460 --> 00:38:08,719 house and and greenhouse game because 1065 00:38:09,824 --> 00:38:12,625 you know, weather mother nature is pretty powerful, 1066 00:38:12,625 --> 00:38:14,945 and she typically always wins in one way 1067 00:38:14,945 --> 00:38:16,164 or the other. And so 1068 00:38:16,784 --> 00:38:18,625 I would say that it it it's kind 1069 00:38:18,625 --> 00:38:19,525 of a ongoing, 1070 00:38:21,585 --> 00:38:23,525 situation to be worked on. 1071 00:38:24,190 --> 00:38:25,489 Yeah. I I agree. 1072 00:38:25,789 --> 00:38:27,469 It's it's hard. A lot of these, a 1073 00:38:27,469 --> 00:38:29,550 lot of these at the greenhouse is at 1074 00:38:29,550 --> 00:38:32,610 this grade. The plastic is just held on 1075 00:38:32,910 --> 00:38:35,630 with Velcro hoops, and so they they can 1076 00:38:35,630 --> 00:38:38,344 slide all over this the galvanized steel. 1077 00:38:38,965 --> 00:38:40,644 So anything that you that we can do 1078 00:38:40,644 --> 00:38:41,385 to to, 1079 00:38:43,445 --> 00:38:45,605 anchor them to the ground is gonna be 1080 00:38:45,605 --> 00:38:47,684 a win. So the last the last thing 1081 00:38:47,684 --> 00:38:49,880 I wanna talk about is actually the ground, 1082 00:38:50,339 --> 00:38:52,099 on this topic before we go to the 1083 00:38:52,099 --> 00:38:54,579 first break, and that is whether or not 1084 00:38:54,579 --> 00:38:56,819 to put flooring. And, you know, I've really 1085 00:38:56,819 --> 00:38:59,219 been torn on this over the years. On 1086 00:38:59,219 --> 00:38:59,960 one hand, 1087 00:39:00,420 --> 00:39:01,159 I have, 1088 00:39:01,859 --> 00:39:03,639 liked leaving my greenhouses 1089 00:39:04,099 --> 00:39:05,465 just bare dirt, 1090 00:39:06,405 --> 00:39:08,565 because, you know, I'm a grower of the 1091 00:39:08,565 --> 00:39:10,184 soil food web mindedness, 1092 00:39:10,805 --> 00:39:13,224 and and the idea of having the floor 1093 00:39:13,285 --> 00:39:14,425 be natural, 1094 00:39:15,845 --> 00:39:18,340 there so that there are, you know, voluntary 1095 00:39:18,340 --> 00:39:18,905 pest predators that are growing 1096 00:39:19,204 --> 00:39:19,704 there 1097 00:39:20,429 --> 00:39:23,550 that are growing there naturally, and and, you 1098 00:39:23,550 --> 00:39:25,789 know, the water has somewhere to soak down 1099 00:39:25,789 --> 00:39:27,469 into. It just seems like it makes sense 1100 00:39:27,469 --> 00:39:28,609 to me. However, 1101 00:39:29,949 --> 00:39:31,409 you know, if we've got uneven 1102 00:39:32,109 --> 00:39:34,454 ground where there are all these, like, little 1103 00:39:34,454 --> 00:39:36,394 divots that you can twist your ankle in, 1104 00:39:36,855 --> 00:39:38,694 or if you live like where I live 1105 00:39:38,694 --> 00:39:41,094 where we've got a lot of, varmints, you 1106 00:39:41,094 --> 00:39:42,635 know, you've suddenly got them, 1107 00:39:43,255 --> 00:39:43,755 growing, 1108 00:39:45,174 --> 00:39:47,429 like little holes underneath your pot so they 1109 00:39:47,429 --> 00:39:49,349 can drink the water during the drought of 1110 00:39:49,349 --> 00:39:50,329 the summer. Right? 1111 00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:54,630 It's it really goes both ways about whether 1112 00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:55,929 just to leave the ground, 1113 00:39:56,469 --> 00:39:58,469 natural with grass or whether or not it 1114 00:39:58,469 --> 00:40:00,309 makes sense to put down a couple pieces 1115 00:40:00,309 --> 00:40:02,069 of plywood. How do you weigh in on 1116 00:40:02,069 --> 00:40:02,569 this? 1117 00:40:03,625 --> 00:40:05,385 Yeah. That's a that's a good question. I 1118 00:40:05,385 --> 00:40:07,644 mean, for the home grower, I think that, 1119 00:40:08,505 --> 00:40:10,525 you know, it's it's really up to, 1120 00:40:10,905 --> 00:40:12,825 you know, what their perspective is on all 1121 00:40:12,825 --> 00:40:14,265 this stuff. And you brought up a a 1122 00:40:14,265 --> 00:40:16,170 lot of good points. I mean, there there's 1123 00:40:16,170 --> 00:40:18,989 definitely beneficials, and there's definitely some things 1124 00:40:19,369 --> 00:40:21,289 that aren't beneficial that could show up in 1125 00:40:21,289 --> 00:40:23,530 some cases. And so I would say that 1126 00:40:23,530 --> 00:40:26,250 if it's just plain dirt without grass, it's 1127 00:40:26,250 --> 00:40:28,489 good to put something down because when you're 1128 00:40:28,489 --> 00:40:28,989 irrigating 1129 00:40:29,735 --> 00:40:31,835 or if some rains come or whatever, 1130 00:40:32,614 --> 00:40:34,855 that dirt does get wet and it tracks 1131 00:40:34,855 --> 00:40:36,614 up mud. And next thing you know, you're 1132 00:40:36,614 --> 00:40:39,255 starting to get stuff everywhere and it becomes 1133 00:40:39,255 --> 00:40:39,994 quite messy. 1134 00:40:40,775 --> 00:40:42,394 I've even had people on 1135 00:40:42,849 --> 00:40:45,010 on just plain dirt put down the ground 1136 00:40:45,010 --> 00:40:47,510 cover that's been recommended over the years. And 1137 00:40:47,570 --> 00:40:49,889 when that stuff gets wet from irrigating or 1138 00:40:49,889 --> 00:40:52,130 leaving a hose on or just dribbling around 1139 00:40:52,130 --> 00:40:54,130 when you're moving from place to place with 1140 00:40:54,130 --> 00:40:54,710 a hose, 1141 00:40:55,155 --> 00:40:57,315 the mud will start to seep through the 1142 00:40:57,315 --> 00:40:59,875 ground cover even. So it's I think the 1143 00:40:59,875 --> 00:41:02,275 idea of having the grass is pretty cool. 1144 00:41:02,755 --> 00:41:04,914 You know, people can be fearful of the 1145 00:41:04,914 --> 00:41:06,614 pests because the grass can 1146 00:41:07,074 --> 00:41:09,474 be a nice little habitat for things that 1147 00:41:09,474 --> 00:41:10,775 you maybe don't want. 1148 00:41:11,369 --> 00:41:12,670 When it comes to the rodents, 1149 00:41:12,969 --> 00:41:14,730 the rodents are definitely a little bit of 1150 00:41:14,730 --> 00:41:17,049 a problem, and so putting down some wire 1151 00:41:17,049 --> 00:41:17,869 mesh underneath 1152 00:41:18,569 --> 00:41:21,130 maybe could help keep the rodents from coming 1153 00:41:21,130 --> 00:41:22,349 up and getting through. 1154 00:41:23,574 --> 00:41:26,054 The plywood isn't a bad idea. Some people 1155 00:41:26,054 --> 00:41:28,295 are a little bit iffy on plywood or 1156 00:41:28,295 --> 00:41:29,675 wood in general because 1157 00:41:30,215 --> 00:41:32,614 there's the chance in the regulated market, what 1158 00:41:32,614 --> 00:41:34,775 we learned is that wood and cardboard and 1159 00:41:34,775 --> 00:41:36,375 a lot of these things can have this 1160 00:41:36,375 --> 00:41:36,875 aspergillus 1161 00:41:37,175 --> 00:41:37,530 and 1162 00:41:38,010 --> 00:41:40,969 maybe even cause some post harvest molds, but 1163 00:41:40,969 --> 00:41:42,969 a lot of that is a whole another 1164 00:41:42,969 --> 00:41:44,750 podcast to deal with. But 1165 00:41:45,210 --> 00:41:46,269 at the same time, 1166 00:41:48,010 --> 00:41:50,625 wood can get moldy just by nature in 1167 00:41:50,784 --> 00:41:52,465 general, and so that can be a little 1168 00:41:52,465 --> 00:41:53,824 bit of a thing for people. If you 1169 00:41:53,824 --> 00:41:56,465 use pressure treated wood, it has chemicals in 1170 00:41:56,465 --> 00:41:58,224 it. And in some cases, some of those 1171 00:41:58,224 --> 00:41:59,284 chemicals could 1172 00:41:59,985 --> 00:42:02,639 bioaccumulate in your cannabis. And so it's really 1173 00:42:03,359 --> 00:42:05,359 kinda tricky. I know that, you know, another 1174 00:42:05,359 --> 00:42:07,839 popular solution people like to go find those 1175 00:42:07,839 --> 00:42:09,920 plastic pallets. I mean, I don't know if 1176 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:11,619 they're plastic or polycarbonate 1177 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,760 or what they're really made of, but the 1178 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:14,659 pallets that, 1179 00:42:15,184 --> 00:42:16,704 are not made of wood, they can be 1180 00:42:16,704 --> 00:42:19,505 fairly expensive. Sometimes you can find people toss 1181 00:42:19,505 --> 00:42:20,885 on those and use those. 1182 00:42:22,224 --> 00:42:23,585 You know, at the end of the day, 1183 00:42:23,585 --> 00:42:24,485 I think that 1184 00:42:25,664 --> 00:42:26,164 anything 1185 00:42:27,025 --> 00:42:28,804 reasonable would work. And so 1186 00:42:29,184 --> 00:42:31,380 a pallet could be used, but that's wood 1187 00:42:31,380 --> 00:42:33,539 also, a regular wooden pallet. But there's people 1188 00:42:33,539 --> 00:42:35,480 that will paint those with a low VOC 1189 00:42:35,619 --> 00:42:36,920 paint, maybe even, 1190 00:42:37,619 --> 00:42:39,800 a hemp deck stain for that matter. 1191 00:42:41,139 --> 00:42:43,619 There's also you know, just putting some gravel 1192 00:42:43,619 --> 00:42:45,539 down isn't a bad idea over the dirt 1193 00:42:45,539 --> 00:42:47,305 in some cases. So, I mean, a little 1194 00:42:47,305 --> 00:42:49,085 bit of gravel goes a long ways. 1195 00:42:50,585 --> 00:42:52,344 You know, if you do use the ground 1196 00:42:52,344 --> 00:42:54,985 cover, I would, you know, recommend putting something 1197 00:42:54,985 --> 00:42:57,704 underneath it, maybe even some straw down before 1198 00:42:57,704 --> 00:42:59,385 you cap it with the ground cover just 1199 00:42:59,385 --> 00:43:00,985 so you don't have the mud that comes 1200 00:43:00,985 --> 00:43:01,485 through. 1201 00:43:02,890 --> 00:43:03,949 But, you know, 1202 00:43:05,610 --> 00:43:07,929 when using the containers that you're using, some 1203 00:43:07,929 --> 00:43:09,690 of the containers can take up a lot 1204 00:43:09,690 --> 00:43:11,449 of space as well, and so those cover 1205 00:43:11,449 --> 00:43:13,289 the ground when people are doing these beds 1206 00:43:13,289 --> 00:43:14,429 or raised beds. 1207 00:43:14,809 --> 00:43:16,190 A lot of times, they will 1208 00:43:16,635 --> 00:43:18,715 even use bark around the beds as a 1209 00:43:18,715 --> 00:43:21,275 mulch layer. And and, you know, bark is 1210 00:43:21,275 --> 00:43:24,074 pretty pretty safe in most regards for the 1211 00:43:24,074 --> 00:43:24,815 fact that, 1212 00:43:25,755 --> 00:43:27,515 the weeds don't like to grow through it 1213 00:43:27,515 --> 00:43:28,255 as easy. 1214 00:43:28,679 --> 00:43:29,900 It doesn't get muddy. 1215 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,039 And some of the bark doesn't seem to 1216 00:43:32,039 --> 00:43:33,819 have the same moldy effects, 1217 00:43:34,359 --> 00:43:36,920 or negative effects that, you know, wood does, 1218 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,079 like plywood or things. A lot of times, 1219 00:43:39,079 --> 00:43:41,260 the mulch from wood chips can 1220 00:43:41,639 --> 00:43:43,719 have a lot of beneficial qualities to it 1221 00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:44,219 with, 1222 00:43:44,904 --> 00:43:45,724 the fungi 1223 00:43:46,105 --> 00:43:48,364 growing into it and having that mycelial 1224 00:43:49,545 --> 00:43:51,464 mat growing and it keeps the weeds from 1225 00:43:51,464 --> 00:43:52,525 growing through and 1226 00:43:53,784 --> 00:43:54,924 it makes for a nice 1227 00:43:55,464 --> 00:43:57,704 cooler atmosphere. It doesn't get too hot like 1228 00:43:57,704 --> 00:44:00,029 some of the other things do. I would 1229 00:44:00,250 --> 00:44:03,069 just be on the cautious side knowing that 1230 00:44:03,210 --> 00:44:05,289 maybe if someone was to use certain ground 1231 00:44:05,289 --> 00:44:06,509 covers like black, 1232 00:44:06,809 --> 00:44:08,650 black can get really hot in the summertime 1233 00:44:08,650 --> 00:44:11,304 and it can heat up the greenhouse more 1234 00:44:11,304 --> 00:44:12,824 than you want it to and maybe have 1235 00:44:12,824 --> 00:44:15,804 adverse reactions to the environment in the greenhouse 1236 00:44:15,864 --> 00:44:16,525 just because 1237 00:44:17,144 --> 00:44:19,244 it stores and collects so much energy. 1238 00:44:19,625 --> 00:44:21,224 You know, it could be a benefit to 1239 00:44:21,224 --> 00:44:23,144 some people, though, that are in places maybe 1240 00:44:23,144 --> 00:44:25,704 like the islands or areas where it stays 1241 00:44:25,704 --> 00:44:28,079 fairly cooler, and they're trying to get some 1242 00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:30,079 of that free heat into the greenhouse and 1243 00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:31,380 warm some things up. 1244 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,519 On the other side of that would be 1245 00:44:33,519 --> 00:44:35,679 using, you know, something that's a lighter color, 1246 00:44:35,679 --> 00:44:38,239 a white ground cover. It's kinda the other 1247 00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,019 side of that is why 1248 00:44:40,525 --> 00:44:42,684 over the years, we've recommended people use a 1249 00:44:42,684 --> 00:44:45,264 tan grow bag versus a black grow bag, 1250 00:44:45,965 --> 00:44:48,465 and that's because they just get way 1251 00:44:48,844 --> 00:44:50,764 more hot than a you know, black gets 1252 00:44:50,764 --> 00:44:52,364 way more hot than a tan grow bag. 1253 00:44:52,364 --> 00:44:54,045 But again, that can be a benefit in 1254 00:44:54,045 --> 00:44:56,380 some areas. I just went to a farm 1255 00:44:56,380 --> 00:44:57,360 recently that, 1256 00:44:57,980 --> 00:44:59,820 does put down the black this time of 1257 00:44:59,820 --> 00:45:01,659 the year because it is colder and they're 1258 00:45:01,659 --> 00:45:03,980 trying to get as much free energy as 1259 00:45:03,980 --> 00:45:05,579 they can, and so they do switch the 1260 00:45:05,579 --> 00:45:06,880 colors up for their 1261 00:45:07,260 --> 00:45:08,159 fall run. 1262 00:45:09,099 --> 00:45:09,599 But, 1263 00:45:11,065 --> 00:45:12,585 and and the other part of that is 1264 00:45:12,585 --> 00:45:14,744 that if you're gonna be using your greenhouse 1265 00:45:14,744 --> 00:45:16,664 in the wintertime or the summertime, so you 1266 00:45:16,664 --> 00:45:18,985 really kinda wanna be strategic. If it's only 1267 00:45:18,985 --> 00:45:20,985 the summertime, then you might be able to 1268 00:45:20,985 --> 00:45:21,965 get away with 1269 00:45:22,344 --> 00:45:22,844 just 1270 00:45:23,300 --> 00:45:25,159 a lot less or a thinner layer 1271 00:45:25,539 --> 00:45:26,820 of something. And, 1272 00:45:27,380 --> 00:45:29,059 and if you're going through the winter, then 1273 00:45:29,059 --> 00:45:31,859 I would recommend probably going into some type 1274 00:45:31,859 --> 00:45:33,239 of a gravel base 1275 00:45:33,780 --> 00:45:35,940 to start with. You might cap the gravel 1276 00:45:35,940 --> 00:45:37,079 with the ground cover, 1277 00:45:37,824 --> 00:45:39,585 you know, a pallet or wood or something 1278 00:45:39,585 --> 00:45:41,585 else, but the gravel is really helpful in 1279 00:45:41,585 --> 00:45:42,164 the wintertime 1280 00:45:42,625 --> 00:45:44,644 to keep from sinking into the mud. 1281 00:45:46,304 --> 00:45:46,804 Wow. 1282 00:45:47,184 --> 00:45:49,925 Alright. So first of all, I love 1283 00:45:50,224 --> 00:45:52,530 having you on the show, Eric, because you 1284 00:45:52,530 --> 00:45:54,769 have such a depth of experience. As as 1285 00:45:54,769 --> 00:45:57,010 you gave that elaborate answer, I was going 1286 00:45:57,010 --> 00:45:58,949 through every one of the situations, 1287 00:45:59,890 --> 00:46:01,969 and and it brought to mind 2 things. 1288 00:46:01,969 --> 00:46:04,610 Number 1, how you always teach that there's 1289 00:46:04,610 --> 00:46:06,610 no right way to do it. There's the 1290 00:46:06,610 --> 00:46:08,565 best way to do it for where you 1291 00:46:08,565 --> 00:46:10,644 are in the country, what your weather is 1292 00:46:10,644 --> 00:46:12,724 like, what your growing goals, and what your 1293 00:46:12,724 --> 00:46:13,625 budget is. 1294 00:46:13,925 --> 00:46:16,085 Right? And and so you gave us a 1295 00:46:16,085 --> 00:46:18,324 bunch of options depending on what our goals 1296 00:46:18,324 --> 00:46:20,484 are, and I dig that. And also listening 1297 00:46:20,644 --> 00:46:21,925 hearing you go through the list, I can 1298 00:46:21,925 --> 00:46:23,605 almost see you go, like, oh, man. That 1299 00:46:23,605 --> 00:46:25,019 guy did this, and we had to fix 1300 00:46:25,019 --> 00:46:26,300 it, and this guy did this, and we 1301 00:46:26,300 --> 00:46:28,059 had to fix it. And, like, you're you're 1302 00:46:28,059 --> 00:46:29,360 really kinda going through 1303 00:46:29,660 --> 00:46:32,619 a greatest hits of problems and solutions that 1304 00:46:32,619 --> 00:46:34,719 you've had to deal with with different clients. 1305 00:46:36,059 --> 00:46:37,199 Yeah. I mean, unfortunately 1306 00:46:37,579 --> 00:46:40,065 maybe fortunately for me, unfortunately for some of 1307 00:46:40,065 --> 00:46:41,744 the growers that I've showed up. You know, 1308 00:46:41,744 --> 00:46:42,945 a lot of the work that I've done 1309 00:46:42,945 --> 00:46:44,485 is to help people in the 1310 00:46:44,864 --> 00:46:47,105 kind of a rescue situation or showing up 1311 00:46:47,105 --> 00:46:48,784 to work on one thing, and I see 1312 00:46:48,784 --> 00:46:51,364 another problem going on. And and 1313 00:46:52,210 --> 00:46:53,890 and it just you know, it's been a 1314 00:46:53,890 --> 00:46:55,410 lot of years of being able to see 1315 00:46:55,410 --> 00:46:57,570 what works and what doesn't work. And it's 1316 00:46:57,570 --> 00:46:59,090 not to say, like you're saying, you know, 1317 00:46:59,090 --> 00:47:01,329 there's not one thing that is better than 1318 00:47:01,329 --> 00:47:03,730 the other. It just every farm is different. 1319 00:47:03,730 --> 00:47:07,034 There's not one cannabis farm that is exactly 1320 00:47:07,094 --> 00:47:09,994 the same, and that's even here in California. 1321 00:47:10,295 --> 00:47:12,295 I mean, every greenhouse I go to has 1322 00:47:12,295 --> 00:47:14,454 a different way of setting it up or 1323 00:47:14,454 --> 00:47:16,135 doing it or heating it or the flooring 1324 00:47:16,135 --> 00:47:17,655 for it, you know? So I mean and 1325 00:47:17,655 --> 00:47:19,434 it's the same way across the country. 1326 00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,760 And, you know, the bigger, the fancier the 1327 00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,160 greenhouse, the less similar it is to any 1328 00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:26,679 other greenhouse. And then when you get to 1329 00:47:26,679 --> 00:47:27,579 the very basic 1330 00:47:28,199 --> 00:47:30,519 simple, you know, home jobs, you get to 1331 00:47:30,519 --> 00:47:32,619 actually see a lot of cool stuff. But 1332 00:47:32,784 --> 00:47:34,945 in cannabis and in growing in general, whether 1333 00:47:34,945 --> 00:47:37,105 you're doing vegetables or cannabis, but it seems 1334 00:47:37,105 --> 00:47:38,485 like with cannabis especially, 1335 00:47:38,864 --> 00:47:41,025 there's always, you know, 2 steps forward and 1336 00:47:41,025 --> 00:47:43,684 one step back. Yeah. And that's not necessarily 1337 00:47:43,744 --> 00:47:45,844 a bad thing, but it's really, you know, 1338 00:47:46,119 --> 00:47:47,900 not something that is a perfect 1339 00:47:48,199 --> 00:47:50,760 situation all the time. Yeah. Especially when you're, 1340 00:47:50,839 --> 00:47:51,739 burning money. 1341 00:47:52,039 --> 00:47:53,579 So Yeah. Yeah. Right? 1342 00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,599 So, alright. Cool. Well, we're gonna go ahead 1343 00:47:56,599 --> 00:47:58,119 and take a short break and be right 1344 00:47:58,119 --> 00:48:00,664 back. You are listening to Shaping Fire, and 1345 00:48:00,664 --> 00:48:03,785 my guest today is OG Greenhouse consultant, Eric 1346 00:48:03,785 --> 00:48:04,285 Branstad. 1347 00:48:04,824 --> 00:48:07,545 Now without these advertisers, Shaping Fire would not 1348 00:48:07,545 --> 00:48:09,465 happen. 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But so many 1460 00:52:24,434 --> 00:52:26,434 varieties in one pack is a sign of 1461 00:52:26,434 --> 00:52:28,755 an immature seed line that hasn't been worked 1462 00:52:28,755 --> 00:52:29,255 enough. 1463 00:52:29,869 --> 00:52:32,269 I prefer my autoflowers to be worked enough 1464 00:52:32,269 --> 00:52:34,510 that each fino in the pack really captures 1465 00:52:34,510 --> 00:52:36,449 the aspects that the breeder was intending. 1466 00:52:37,390 --> 00:52:38,690 This is why I recommend 1467 00:52:38,989 --> 00:52:41,309 gnome automatics to my friends and listeners who 1468 00:52:41,309 --> 00:52:43,570 grow automatic flowering cannabis seeds. 1469 00:52:44,385 --> 00:52:46,785 Gnome automatic seeds are not just crossed and 1470 00:52:46,785 --> 00:52:48,405 released. 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You are listening to Shaping Fire. 1505 00:54:07,619 --> 00:54:09,864 I am your host, Shango Los. And my 1506 00:54:09,864 --> 00:54:12,684 guest today is greenhouse consultant, Eric Branstad. 1507 00:54:13,305 --> 00:54:15,224 So during the first set, we we figured 1508 00:54:15,224 --> 00:54:16,905 out where our greenhouse is gonna be on 1509 00:54:16,905 --> 00:54:18,425 the property, and we got it all set 1510 00:54:18,425 --> 00:54:21,545 up. Let's start talking about how to deal 1511 00:54:21,545 --> 00:54:23,644 with some of the common challenges 1512 00:54:24,159 --> 00:54:26,099 that are involved with having a greenhouse. 1513 00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:28,659 And let's start with heat. 1514 00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:31,539 You talk 1515 00:54:32,159 --> 00:54:32,659 regularly 1516 00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:34,019 about the difficulties 1517 00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:35,539 of abating 1518 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:36,500 heat 1519 00:54:36,974 --> 00:54:38,035 in our greenhouse. 1520 00:54:38,655 --> 00:54:39,155 And, 1521 00:54:40,015 --> 00:54:42,655 this is something that we attract, right, because 1522 00:54:42,655 --> 00:54:44,414 we want the warmth and we want the 1523 00:54:44,414 --> 00:54:44,914 heat, 1524 00:54:45,295 --> 00:54:47,934 because the plants want it, but we also 1525 00:54:47,934 --> 00:54:50,095 don't want to cook the plants or make 1526 00:54:50,095 --> 00:54:52,609 them too thirsty or dry out our pots, 1527 00:54:52,750 --> 00:54:54,369 and so we're trying to get, 1528 00:54:54,829 --> 00:54:56,829 you know, we're just trying to hit this 1529 00:54:56,829 --> 00:54:57,730 sweet spot. 1530 00:54:58,109 --> 00:54:58,609 So, 1531 00:54:58,909 --> 00:55:01,569 I'm assuming that our number one 1532 00:55:04,065 --> 00:55:07,105 helper, ally, for for keeping our heat low 1533 00:55:07,105 --> 00:55:08,484 is going to be fans. 1534 00:55:08,864 --> 00:55:09,184 But, 1535 00:55:09,664 --> 00:55:10,945 but I know that you have got a 1536 00:55:10,945 --> 00:55:13,105 bunch of strategies. So so so why don't 1537 00:55:13,105 --> 00:55:14,784 I just kinda hand you the mic and 1538 00:55:14,784 --> 00:55:17,099 say, what are things that we should be 1539 00:55:17,099 --> 00:55:18,000 thinking about, 1540 00:55:18,619 --> 00:55:21,260 for abating the heat when we're setting up 1541 00:55:21,260 --> 00:55:23,980 our small, you know, 20 by 10 foot 1542 00:55:23,980 --> 00:55:24,480 greenhouse? 1543 00:55:25,900 --> 00:55:29,119 Sure. I mean, you know, primarily, the greenhouse 1544 00:55:29,180 --> 00:55:31,514 itself hopefully has some ventilation. And I know 1545 00:55:31,514 --> 00:55:33,675 the one that you're talking about actually does 1546 00:55:33,675 --> 00:55:35,275 with the big door in the front and 1547 00:55:35,275 --> 00:55:37,214 then down the side, it has all these 1548 00:55:37,594 --> 00:55:39,454 windows that roll up or open. 1549 00:55:40,315 --> 00:55:42,574 And so similarly to other greenhouses 1550 00:55:42,954 --> 00:55:43,454 or 1551 00:55:44,329 --> 00:55:45,929 well, let's back up here. A lot of 1552 00:55:45,929 --> 00:55:47,230 the other hobby greenhouses 1553 00:55:47,610 --> 00:55:48,110 also 1554 00:55:48,969 --> 00:55:51,289 did not have are not equipped with enough 1555 00:55:51,289 --> 00:55:53,289 ventilation. So a lot of times they have 1556 00:55:53,289 --> 00:55:55,769 just a little louver that opens by hand 1557 00:55:55,769 --> 00:55:56,269 and 1558 00:55:56,914 --> 00:55:58,914 maybe there's one on the roof or whatever. 1559 00:55:58,914 --> 00:56:00,534 And so, historically speaking, 1560 00:56:00,835 --> 00:56:03,234 most of the hobby greenhouses that have been 1561 00:56:03,234 --> 00:56:05,815 on the market turn into little storage sheds 1562 00:56:06,034 --> 00:56:07,715 in the summertime, and then they don't get 1563 00:56:07,715 --> 00:56:09,494 used in the winter because people 1564 00:56:09,909 --> 00:56:11,929 are happy with storing stuff in them. 1565 00:56:12,550 --> 00:56:14,869 And it's because they get incredibly hot. And 1566 00:56:14,869 --> 00:56:16,809 the other thing people forget is that 1567 00:56:17,670 --> 00:56:20,309 greenhouses were invented for the winter or when 1568 00:56:20,309 --> 00:56:22,114 it's really shitty out, not when it's you 1569 00:56:22,114 --> 00:56:24,194 know, a perfect hot sunny day. But when 1570 00:56:24,194 --> 00:56:25,974 cannabis came along, we all, 1571 00:56:27,234 --> 00:56:29,074 you know, grow the best time to grow 1572 00:56:29,074 --> 00:56:31,315 is when it's hot summer and the sun's 1573 00:56:31,315 --> 00:56:33,335 out. And so, boom, we put these greenhouses 1574 00:56:33,474 --> 00:56:35,155 out there that are not really for that 1575 00:56:35,155 --> 00:56:36,355 time of the year, and we have all 1576 00:56:36,355 --> 00:56:36,840 these 1577 00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,960 problems or heat buildup. And so, you know, 1578 00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,140 like I said, the vents are really crucial. 1579 00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,160 You know, looking at these greenhouse covers is 1580 00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:45,660 also, 1581 00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:47,500 an important factor. 1582 00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,280 And so the clearer the cover or the 1583 00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:51,019 the polycarbonate, 1584 00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,515 the more exposure to the plants that we 1585 00:56:53,515 --> 00:56:55,614 have. And so one of the things 1586 00:56:56,155 --> 00:56:57,855 that people talk about is, 1587 00:56:58,155 --> 00:57:00,635 you know, the word heat, but we're not 1588 00:57:00,635 --> 00:57:02,715 just talking about the air temp, we're talking 1589 00:57:02,715 --> 00:57:05,195 about the heat that is associated to the 1590 00:57:05,195 --> 00:57:07,215 plant. And so there's 2 different 1591 00:57:08,390 --> 00:57:10,070 things that I look at in a greenhouse. 1592 00:57:10,070 --> 00:57:12,070 And so one might be the air temp, 1593 00:57:12,070 --> 00:57:14,390 obviously, but the other is gonna be the 1594 00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:16,250 plant temperature itself. And 1595 00:57:16,550 --> 00:57:18,550 and, you know, we look at that by 1596 00:57:18,550 --> 00:57:21,829 simply even using a handheld laser thermometer where 1597 00:57:21,829 --> 00:57:23,454 you point and the little laser comes out 1598 00:57:23,454 --> 00:57:23,954 and 1599 00:57:24,255 --> 00:57:25,614 it you point it to where you want 1600 00:57:25,614 --> 00:57:27,375 and it tells you the temperature of these 1601 00:57:27,375 --> 00:57:29,855 surfaces. And so it's really handy to take 1602 00:57:29,855 --> 00:57:30,594 one of those 1603 00:57:30,974 --> 00:57:32,367 devices and aim it at the flower of 1604 00:57:32,367 --> 00:57:32,452 your plant or even a leaf, and you 1605 00:57:32,452 --> 00:57:33,074 can actually see that the plant 1606 00:57:35,849 --> 00:57:38,410 see that the plant temp is typically different 1607 00:57:38,410 --> 00:57:39,630 than the air temperature. 1608 00:57:40,809 --> 00:57:41,550 And so, 1609 00:57:42,410 --> 00:57:44,809 monitoring that really helps a lot more than 1610 00:57:44,809 --> 00:57:46,410 just looking at the air temp because in 1611 00:57:46,410 --> 00:57:48,650 some cases, if you have enough ventilation and 1612 00:57:48,650 --> 00:57:49,150 maybe 1613 00:57:49,454 --> 00:57:50,914 a good greenhouse cover, 1614 00:57:51,855 --> 00:57:53,235 that isn't totally 1615 00:57:53,535 --> 00:57:55,695 clear like glass, you might see that there 1616 00:57:55,695 --> 00:57:58,494 could be a reduction in leaf surface or 1617 00:57:58,494 --> 00:58:00,894 plant temp compared to the air temp. And 1618 00:58:00,894 --> 00:58:03,055 if that's the case, you're on the right 1619 00:58:03,055 --> 00:58:05,960 track or things will probably be okay. 1620 00:58:06,260 --> 00:58:08,340 But if it's the opposite where the greenhouse 1621 00:58:08,340 --> 00:58:10,579 is warm inside and the plant temp is 1622 00:58:10,579 --> 00:58:13,079 actually warmer than the than the air temp, 1623 00:58:13,460 --> 00:58:16,019 you're bound to run into problems with powdery 1624 00:58:16,019 --> 00:58:18,659 mildew, mold, you know, botrytis type mold, and 1625 00:58:18,659 --> 00:58:21,035 things like that. It's just it's it's not 1626 00:58:21,035 --> 00:58:21,934 gonna end well. 1627 00:58:22,635 --> 00:58:23,135 So 1628 00:58:23,434 --> 00:58:24,875 what we try to look at is that, 1629 00:58:24,875 --> 00:58:26,474 you know, like you brought up, fans are 1630 00:58:26,474 --> 00:58:28,875 definitely a popular thing to move some air 1631 00:58:28,875 --> 00:58:30,795 around. But if it's still sealed up and 1632 00:58:30,795 --> 00:58:32,974 there's not enough fresh air coming in, 1633 00:58:33,590 --> 00:58:35,510 it's it the fans are just gonna move 1634 00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:36,489 that air around. 1635 00:58:36,789 --> 00:58:38,230 And so the one thing that I always 1636 00:58:38,230 --> 00:58:40,309 like to tell people and and the phrase 1637 00:58:40,309 --> 00:58:42,150 that I like to, you know, live by 1638 00:58:42,150 --> 00:58:43,829 a little bit is that if you trap 1639 00:58:43,829 --> 00:58:44,329 air, 1640 00:58:44,630 --> 00:58:46,875 it will heat up. And so the key 1641 00:58:46,875 --> 00:58:49,275 for a greenhouse in the summertime, especially a 1642 00:58:49,275 --> 00:58:50,015 home grower 1643 00:58:50,474 --> 00:58:52,875 and even, you know, maybe a commercial grower 1644 00:58:52,875 --> 00:58:54,954 that has not such a fancy setup, you 1645 00:58:54,954 --> 00:58:57,355 know, kind of a basic hoop house, is 1646 00:58:57,355 --> 00:58:57,855 that, 1647 00:58:58,394 --> 00:59:00,715 we wanna not trap that air so that 1648 00:59:00,715 --> 00:59:02,340 it heats up. And And how do we 1649 00:59:02,340 --> 00:59:04,019 do that is we try to take away 1650 00:59:04,019 --> 00:59:06,340 this greenhouse effect. And so it's okay to 1651 00:59:06,340 --> 00:59:08,980 have the greenhouse, but it's not always okay 1652 00:59:08,980 --> 00:59:11,059 to have the greenhouse effect where it's getting 1653 00:59:11,059 --> 00:59:13,239 warmer and warmer inside all the time. 1654 00:59:13,700 --> 00:59:15,619 We can break that by opening up the 1655 00:59:15,619 --> 00:59:16,695 greenhouse and avoiding 1656 00:59:17,974 --> 00:59:20,295 trapping all that air. And so, you know, 1657 00:59:20,295 --> 00:59:21,434 on a greenhouse like the one you've showed 1658 00:59:21,494 --> 00:59:22,934 pictures of, you know, in a place that 1659 00:59:22,934 --> 00:59:24,474 maybe gets really hot, 1660 00:59:24,775 --> 00:59:26,875 I would say that the benefit would be 1661 00:59:27,175 --> 00:59:29,255 to put doors at both ends of that 1662 00:59:29,255 --> 00:59:30,235 type of a greenhouse. 1663 00:59:30,695 --> 00:59:31,994 And that way, it really 1664 00:59:32,579 --> 00:59:34,420 slows down the ability for that air to 1665 00:59:34,420 --> 00:59:36,099 be trapped. And so when we have these 1666 00:59:36,099 --> 00:59:38,440 openings, let's say we just have one door, 1667 00:59:38,739 --> 00:59:41,380 the windows are open, you still might have 1668 00:59:41,380 --> 00:59:43,059 a little bit of solar gain. It might 1669 00:59:43,059 --> 00:59:44,820 not have the same amount of solar gain 1670 00:59:44,820 --> 00:59:46,440 if everything was sealed up, 1671 00:59:46,994 --> 00:59:48,914 but, you know, it still has a little 1672 00:59:48,914 --> 00:59:50,514 bit of solar gain. It's a little bit 1673 00:59:50,514 --> 00:59:52,674 warmer inside than it is outside. But if 1674 00:59:52,674 --> 00:59:54,434 we put that other door at the other 1675 00:59:54,434 --> 00:59:54,934 end, 1676 00:59:55,394 --> 00:59:57,474 you know, we might have now alleviated the 1677 00:59:57,474 --> 00:59:59,154 ability for it to act like a total 1678 00:59:59,154 --> 01:00:01,409 greenhouse, and we're gonna actually see the same 1679 01:00:01,409 --> 01:00:03,269 temperatures inside the greenhouse 1680 01:00:03,650 --> 01:00:04,710 as we do outside. 1681 01:00:05,730 --> 01:00:07,489 And so some people might say, well, it's 1682 01:00:07,489 --> 01:00:08,789 a 100 degrees outside. 1683 01:00:09,170 --> 01:00:11,250 That's okay. If it's a 100 degrees inside 1684 01:00:11,250 --> 01:00:11,909 the greenhouse, 1685 01:00:12,289 --> 01:00:14,210 we know that we've avoided the solar gain. 1686 01:00:14,210 --> 01:00:15,889 We're not gonna get it cooler by any 1687 01:00:15,889 --> 01:00:17,695 means, but the goal is to not let 1688 01:00:17,695 --> 01:00:19,855 it get more hot inside than it is 1689 01:00:19,855 --> 01:00:20,355 outside. 1690 01:00:20,815 --> 01:00:22,195 And so if we've, 1691 01:00:22,815 --> 01:00:24,914 if we've gotten to that point, then 1692 01:00:25,375 --> 01:00:27,695 we start monitoring the leaf surface or the 1693 01:00:27,695 --> 01:00:29,614 flower temperature of the plant with our little 1694 01:00:29,614 --> 01:00:30,514 laser thermometer. 1695 01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:32,599 And what we're gonna start to notice is 1696 01:00:32,599 --> 01:00:34,920 that, you know, maybe those temperatures are similar 1697 01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:35,739 to each other 1698 01:00:36,039 --> 01:00:37,960 or, in fact, maybe a little bit lower. 1699 01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:39,960 And so we're definitely on the right track. 1700 01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,360 And this is where some circulation fans might 1701 01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:42,860 actually 1702 01:00:43,239 --> 01:00:45,079 help a little bit because now once we've 1703 01:00:45,079 --> 01:00:47,484 avoided the solar gain, we move a little 1704 01:00:47,484 --> 01:00:49,164 air across the plants and it might be 1705 01:00:49,164 --> 01:00:51,324 in a racetrack pattern. It might just be 1706 01:00:51,324 --> 01:00:53,644 one fan at one end blowing across this 1707 01:00:53,644 --> 01:00:56,284 small greenhouse so that it creates a slight 1708 01:00:56,284 --> 01:00:56,784 breeze 1709 01:00:57,244 --> 01:00:59,565 or mimics a slight breeze. And what ends 1710 01:00:59,565 --> 01:01:01,885 up happening is the plants actually become a 1711 01:01:01,885 --> 01:01:04,090 little bit cooler than what they originally were. 1712 01:01:04,090 --> 01:01:06,570 And so when I have leaves kinda dancing 1713 01:01:06,570 --> 01:01:09,230 in the circulation of the of the fans, 1714 01:01:09,449 --> 01:01:11,369 we can see a 3 to 5 degree 1715 01:01:11,369 --> 01:01:12,349 temperature difference 1716 01:01:12,889 --> 01:01:14,750 than we would if the plants weren't 1717 01:01:15,105 --> 01:01:17,744 experiencing any air movement. And so, you know, 1718 01:01:17,744 --> 01:01:20,144 plants and people are similar in the sense 1719 01:01:20,144 --> 01:01:22,224 that plants have all this water moving through 1720 01:01:22,224 --> 01:01:24,224 their system just like we have blood, and 1721 01:01:24,224 --> 01:01:26,465 our blood's like, I don't know, 70 or 1722 01:01:26,465 --> 01:01:28,804 90% water anyway. And so we have 1723 01:01:29,109 --> 01:01:32,550 the circulation going on between ourselves and plants 1724 01:01:32,550 --> 01:01:34,170 with this water moving through 1725 01:01:34,550 --> 01:01:35,769 everything. And so, 1726 01:01:36,070 --> 01:01:37,690 on a hot day, if you 1727 01:01:38,150 --> 01:01:40,150 go and stand in front of a fan, 1728 01:01:40,150 --> 01:01:42,309 it'll have a cooling effect on our body 1729 01:01:42,309 --> 01:01:43,369 because our sweat, 1730 01:01:44,074 --> 01:01:44,894 our perspiration 1731 01:01:45,355 --> 01:01:47,914 basically is starting to get cooled off and 1732 01:01:47,914 --> 01:01:50,014 eventually, we might even stop perspiring 1733 01:01:50,714 --> 01:01:52,255 even though we're still out 1734 01:01:52,795 --> 01:01:55,514 in the hot weather. This fan has created 1735 01:01:55,514 --> 01:01:57,295 a little bit of relief for us. 1736 01:01:57,719 --> 01:01:58,219 And 1737 01:01:58,679 --> 01:02:00,679 so plants are the same way, and so 1738 01:02:00,679 --> 01:02:03,239 a plant doesn't perspire like a person does. 1739 01:02:03,239 --> 01:02:03,980 It transpires. 1740 01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:06,940 Right? And so as a plant is transpiring 1741 01:02:07,559 --> 01:02:09,559 and we start to blow some air across 1742 01:02:09,559 --> 01:02:11,984 it, it will eventually start to cool down 1743 01:02:11,984 --> 01:02:13,364 a little bit, and that transpiration 1744 01:02:13,744 --> 01:02:15,764 process doesn't go away, but it, 1745 01:02:16,304 --> 01:02:18,784 slows down quite a bit. And anybody that's 1746 01:02:18,784 --> 01:02:21,105 had a plant that is transpiring, it's hard 1747 01:02:21,105 --> 01:02:22,784 to see because it's not like sweat on 1748 01:02:22,784 --> 01:02:24,625 our forehead. You can't just see it dripping 1749 01:02:24,625 --> 01:02:26,699 down. But what we see is we see 1750 01:02:26,699 --> 01:02:27,199 condensation 1751 01:02:27,500 --> 01:02:29,199 forming on the roof of the greenhouse 1752 01:02:29,579 --> 01:02:31,579 and trying to drip back down onto our 1753 01:02:31,579 --> 01:02:33,280 plants. And so condensation 1754 01:02:33,659 --> 01:02:35,920 typically is a result of plant transpiration. 1755 01:02:36,539 --> 01:02:38,059 And so if we try to work on 1756 01:02:38,059 --> 01:02:40,664 getting our plant temps in check, we'll be 1757 01:02:40,664 --> 01:02:43,625 able to avoid that condensation that everybody is 1758 01:02:43,625 --> 01:02:45,724 trying to avoid or get rid of and 1759 01:02:46,105 --> 01:02:48,985 not deal with. And that kinda coincides with 1760 01:02:48,985 --> 01:02:50,905 the light dep technique when you put your 1761 01:02:50,905 --> 01:02:52,985 plants in a light dep, cover them in 1762 01:02:52,985 --> 01:02:55,049 this bubble with a blackout cover, 1763 01:02:55,670 --> 01:02:57,589 there's no air coming in or out a 1764 01:02:57,589 --> 01:02:58,329 lot of times, 1765 01:02:58,630 --> 01:03:00,650 especially traditional ways of growing. 1766 01:03:01,029 --> 01:03:03,349 And if your plant temps are or your 1767 01:03:03,349 --> 01:03:05,029 plant temps are up when you go to 1768 01:03:05,029 --> 01:03:07,109 seal it up, you're instantly gonna see this 1769 01:03:07,109 --> 01:03:07,609 condensation 1770 01:03:07,909 --> 01:03:09,914 form. And so people that are able to 1771 01:03:09,914 --> 01:03:11,695 keep their plant temps down 1772 01:03:12,235 --> 01:03:13,914 compared to the air temp, and that's why 1773 01:03:13,914 --> 01:03:15,994 I'm saying, there's not a perfect number that 1774 01:03:15,994 --> 01:03:18,394 we're looking for. We're just looking for plant 1775 01:03:18,394 --> 01:03:20,494 temp to be lower than the air temp. 1776 01:03:20,739 --> 01:03:23,460 You typically don't see that condensation form throughout 1777 01:03:23,460 --> 01:03:24,840 the day and you don't see it 1778 01:03:25,140 --> 01:03:27,460 show up as much when you pull your 1779 01:03:27,460 --> 01:03:30,019 light depth cover. And so another thing that 1780 01:03:30,019 --> 01:03:32,739 helps with that is the greenhouse cover itself. 1781 01:03:32,739 --> 01:03:34,500 And, you know, knowing that you have that 1782 01:03:34,500 --> 01:03:35,320 green cover 1783 01:03:35,804 --> 01:03:36,784 on your greenhouse, 1784 01:03:37,885 --> 01:03:40,045 it does provide a little bit of diffusion. 1785 01:03:40,045 --> 01:03:40,944 It has the 1786 01:03:41,324 --> 01:03:41,824 reinforcing 1787 01:03:42,125 --> 01:03:44,125 strings that go through there that makes that 1788 01:03:44,125 --> 01:03:46,525 cover, you know, more durable than it would 1789 01:03:46,525 --> 01:03:47,964 be if it was just a plain piece 1790 01:03:47,964 --> 01:03:48,625 of plastic, 1791 01:03:49,484 --> 01:03:49,984 does 1792 01:03:50,429 --> 01:03:51,650 provide some diffusion. 1793 01:03:52,109 --> 01:03:53,089 And so basically, 1794 01:03:53,710 --> 01:03:55,089 the diffusion is also 1795 01:03:55,550 --> 01:03:57,789 maybe another way of looking at shading, you 1796 01:03:57,789 --> 01:03:58,530 know, or 1797 01:03:59,069 --> 01:03:59,550 or, 1798 01:04:00,269 --> 01:04:03,630 another aspect of diffusion is scattering infrared. And 1799 01:04:03,630 --> 01:04:06,405 so infrared is what brings the heat. And 1800 01:04:06,405 --> 01:04:08,985 so we're basically trying to disrupt the infrared, 1801 01:04:09,045 --> 01:04:10,724 but we're still trying to get as much 1802 01:04:10,724 --> 01:04:11,704 light as possible, 1803 01:04:12,724 --> 01:04:14,885 and to the plant. And so a lot 1804 01:04:14,885 --> 01:04:17,065 of times with the clear glass covers, 1805 01:04:17,605 --> 01:04:20,110 you don't have that protection. They actually can 1806 01:04:20,110 --> 01:04:22,110 magnify the light at times and it'll make 1807 01:04:22,110 --> 01:04:24,110 the plant temp even warmer than it should 1808 01:04:24,110 --> 01:04:25,710 be or warmer than you want it to 1809 01:04:25,710 --> 01:04:26,210 be 1810 01:04:26,590 --> 01:04:29,150 just because that's how these plastics work. And 1811 01:04:29,150 --> 01:04:29,650 so, 1812 01:04:30,190 --> 01:04:32,670 originally, when I first started selling greenhouses, that's 1813 01:04:32,670 --> 01:04:34,849 what we originally thought. We want the clearest 1814 01:04:35,065 --> 01:04:36,684 cover possible like glass 1815 01:04:37,065 --> 01:04:39,565 because outdoor plants are in the full sun. 1816 01:04:39,704 --> 01:04:41,164 You know, when we're growing with 1817 01:04:41,465 --> 01:04:44,265 lights indoors back in the day before LEDs 1818 01:04:44,265 --> 01:04:46,105 and all these, people wanted as many lights 1819 01:04:46,105 --> 01:04:47,864 as possible, and they wanted them turned up 1820 01:04:47,864 --> 01:04:50,469 as high as possible. And so we automatically 1821 01:04:50,530 --> 01:04:52,369 thought the same thing for going into a 1822 01:04:52,369 --> 01:04:54,049 greenhouse, but what we learned is the sun 1823 01:04:54,049 --> 01:04:54,549 is 1824 01:04:54,849 --> 01:04:55,349 intense. 1825 01:04:56,130 --> 01:04:58,049 You know, it's the most intense light bulb 1826 01:04:58,049 --> 01:04:59,750 we have around. And so, 1827 01:05:00,210 --> 01:05:01,109 a lot of times, 1828 01:05:01,425 --> 01:05:02,085 the overexposure 1829 01:05:02,545 --> 01:05:05,664 to plants can be too much throughout the 1830 01:05:05,664 --> 01:05:08,405 growing cycle. And so having the right greenhouse 1831 01:05:08,465 --> 01:05:10,085 cover, and I believe the green one 1832 01:05:10,785 --> 01:05:11,605 in the picture 1833 01:05:13,025 --> 01:05:14,945 is a great option for doing that. And 1834 01:05:14,945 --> 01:05:17,489 then I know that the upgraded version is 1835 01:05:17,489 --> 01:05:18,070 a white, 1836 01:05:18,610 --> 01:05:19,510 and I've 1837 01:05:19,809 --> 01:05:21,190 seen a white, 1838 01:05:22,210 --> 01:05:23,890 I forget the product name of it, but 1839 01:05:23,890 --> 01:05:25,410 it's a white, you can't see through it. 1840 01:05:25,410 --> 01:05:26,849 And I almost didn't think it was a 1841 01:05:26,849 --> 01:05:29,090 greenhouse cover. It's a Sunmaster. They have a 1842 01:05:29,090 --> 01:05:29,989 bunch of different 1843 01:05:30,335 --> 01:05:32,815 versions. And this white one actually does let 1844 01:05:32,815 --> 01:05:35,534 light through, and it worked incredibly well in 1845 01:05:35,534 --> 01:05:36,034 Arizona. 1846 01:05:36,734 --> 01:05:37,635 So I'm assuming 1847 01:05:38,174 --> 01:05:40,275 that the white upgraded version 1848 01:05:40,574 --> 01:05:42,674 that they have offering for your greenhouse, 1849 01:05:43,539 --> 01:05:45,299 would be suitable in some of these areas 1850 01:05:45,299 --> 01:05:48,299 like Arizona, New Mexico, and even California where 1851 01:05:48,299 --> 01:05:48,920 it can 1852 01:05:49,219 --> 01:05:51,539 be extremely hot sometimes, where that white will 1853 01:05:51,539 --> 01:05:52,519 actually diffuse, 1854 01:05:53,539 --> 01:05:56,179 and calm down that infrared or that heat 1855 01:05:56,179 --> 01:05:58,025 that's being brought on to the plants, but 1856 01:05:58,025 --> 01:06:00,585 still provide enough light for a great growing 1857 01:06:00,585 --> 01:06:01,085 cycle. 1858 01:06:01,545 --> 01:06:02,045 So 1859 01:06:02,344 --> 01:06:04,525 in some cases, somebody might just use 1860 01:06:04,824 --> 01:06:07,464 the openness of the greenhouse for ventilation to 1861 01:06:07,464 --> 01:06:09,164 take away the greenhouse effect. 1862 01:06:09,659 --> 01:06:11,260 On top of that, they might use the 1863 01:06:11,260 --> 01:06:13,579 greenhouse cover to make sure that that, you 1864 01:06:13,579 --> 01:06:15,900 know, helps or works even better. And then 1865 01:06:15,900 --> 01:06:18,000 the other thing would be adding that circulation 1866 01:06:18,139 --> 01:06:20,219 fan. Now somebody might wanna do all of 1867 01:06:20,219 --> 01:06:22,699 these things into one aspect of a greenhouse 1868 01:06:22,699 --> 01:06:25,684 to have the most, you know, support or 1869 01:06:25,684 --> 01:06:28,105 protection. And then in some areas of the 1870 01:06:28,324 --> 01:06:28,824 country, 1871 01:06:29,284 --> 01:06:31,224 one of those things might do the job. 1872 01:06:32,885 --> 01:06:34,025 As far as 1873 01:06:34,324 --> 01:06:34,724 the 1874 01:06:35,125 --> 01:06:37,045 one one more question about the fans before 1875 01:06:37,045 --> 01:06:38,105 we go on to cold. 1876 01:06:38,485 --> 01:06:39,125 So it's 1877 01:06:39,690 --> 01:06:41,789 from what you just said, it sounds like 1878 01:06:42,089 --> 01:06:42,569 a, 1879 01:06:43,050 --> 01:06:44,109 positive strategy 1880 01:06:44,489 --> 01:06:45,230 would be 1881 01:06:45,690 --> 01:06:48,190 a, for example, a box fan 1882 01:06:48,569 --> 01:06:50,269 set up as an intake 1883 01:06:51,210 --> 01:06:53,289 at one end of the, 1884 01:06:54,474 --> 01:06:54,974 greenhouse. 1885 01:06:55,514 --> 01:06:57,355 And I've got I've got mine hung just 1886 01:06:57,355 --> 01:06:58,255 simply with Velcro 1887 01:06:59,034 --> 01:07:00,894 not Velcro. Zip tie, 1888 01:07:01,594 --> 01:07:02,974 to the rib. 1889 01:07:03,275 --> 01:07:05,695 And then at the other end, you have 1890 01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:07,900 an exhalation 1891 01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:10,539 end, and so it creates this 1892 01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:13,480 comes one end in one end, and it's 1893 01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:15,400 being pulled out at the exhaust end at 1894 01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:17,340 the other side. And then maybe, 1895 01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:19,980 for the leaf temperature, 1896 01:07:20,304 --> 01:07:21,605 maybe a couple oscillating 1897 01:07:21,905 --> 01:07:24,065 fans in the middle. So I've got an 1898 01:07:24,065 --> 01:07:25,905 intake on one end and exhaust on the 1899 01:07:25,905 --> 01:07:28,465 other end, and then a couple of exhaust 1900 01:07:28,465 --> 01:07:30,545 fans in the middle just kinda like moving 1901 01:07:30,545 --> 01:07:31,925 the air around on the inside. 1902 01:07:32,224 --> 01:07:33,925 Is is that kinda what you were describing? 1903 01:07:34,989 --> 01:07:35,789 Yeah. I I 1904 01:07:36,349 --> 01:07:38,430 yes. Yes and no. And the reason that 1905 01:07:38,430 --> 01:07:39,950 I say the no part of it is 1906 01:07:39,950 --> 01:07:41,710 is because here's a couple things, and I'm 1907 01:07:41,710 --> 01:07:44,269 not necessarily directing this towards your setup, but 1908 01:07:44,269 --> 01:07:45,650 this is kind of a generalized 1909 01:07:48,074 --> 01:07:50,875 aspect or or outlook on this topic is 1910 01:07:50,875 --> 01:07:53,534 that people can put too many fans. 1911 01:07:54,235 --> 01:07:56,474 And what ends up happening, let's just say, 1912 01:07:56,474 --> 01:07:58,554 in the idea of fans at both ends, 1913 01:07:58,554 --> 01:08:00,574 like, sometimes people will have fans, 1914 01:08:00,875 --> 01:08:02,175 you know, at both ends 1915 01:08:02,849 --> 01:08:03,750 pointing inwards, 1916 01:08:04,289 --> 01:08:06,369 and we have only air coming in and 1917 01:08:06,369 --> 01:08:08,369 no air coming out. So it's almost like 1918 01:08:08,369 --> 01:08:10,070 this positive pressure idea. 1919 01:08:10,530 --> 01:08:12,610 And what ends up happening is the air 1920 01:08:12,610 --> 01:08:13,430 comes in 1921 01:08:13,730 --> 01:08:15,650 at a high volume, but it has nowhere 1922 01:08:15,650 --> 01:08:17,685 to go. And so, inevitably, it heats up 1923 01:08:18,164 --> 01:08:20,645 and it becomes hot inside. And so like 1924 01:08:20,645 --> 01:08:22,725 what you're talking about with a more negative 1925 01:08:22,725 --> 01:08:24,645 pressure idea, you have a fan bringing the 1926 01:08:24,645 --> 01:08:26,164 air in, and maybe there's a fan at 1927 01:08:26,164 --> 01:08:28,564 the other end helping it shuttle its way 1928 01:08:28,564 --> 01:08:30,805 out. One of the things that can happen, 1929 01:08:30,805 --> 01:08:31,704 though, is that 1930 01:08:32,085 --> 01:08:34,140 some fans and and and this could be 1931 01:08:34,140 --> 01:08:36,779 even using the same exact fans. Not all 1932 01:08:36,779 --> 01:08:37,840 motors and manufacturers 1933 01:08:38,300 --> 01:08:40,699 are perfect, and so there can be flaws 1934 01:08:40,699 --> 01:08:42,699 in some of these ideas or setups. And 1935 01:08:42,699 --> 01:08:44,060 so what I mean by that is that 1936 01:08:44,060 --> 01:08:44,880 you could have 1937 01:08:45,260 --> 01:08:48,219 more air coming in than you have coming 1938 01:08:48,219 --> 01:08:48,675 out. 1939 01:08:49,074 --> 01:08:49,574 And 1940 01:08:49,875 --> 01:08:51,875 so in some cases, what I've seen in 1941 01:08:51,875 --> 01:08:54,934 even commercial, the big fancy greenhouses, is that 1942 01:08:55,074 --> 01:08:57,474 they have so much air coming in that 1943 01:08:57,474 --> 01:08:59,635 it actually heats up before it's able to 1944 01:08:59,635 --> 01:09:02,649 travel out. And then and in some cases, 1945 01:09:02,649 --> 01:09:04,670 what I've seen is there's too many circulation 1946 01:09:04,970 --> 01:09:07,130 fans on the inside. So what that what 1947 01:09:07,130 --> 01:09:08,510 that does is it draws 1948 01:09:08,890 --> 01:09:11,550 more air into the greenhouse than it would 1949 01:09:11,609 --> 01:09:13,710 just using the exhaust fan. 1950 01:09:14,025 --> 01:09:16,425 So the exhaust fans are designed to bring 1951 01:09:16,425 --> 01:09:18,265 in this air and shoot it out the 1952 01:09:18,265 --> 01:09:20,664 other side. But if you have circulation fans 1953 01:09:20,664 --> 01:09:23,864 inside that are bringing in more air, it's 1954 01:09:23,864 --> 01:09:26,039 almost like if you were trying to, you 1955 01:09:26,039 --> 01:09:27,800 know, put a hose in your mouth and 1956 01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:29,800 drink all the water, you know, you you 1957 01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:31,719 you can. It's you you end up having 1958 01:09:31,719 --> 01:09:34,199 water blowing out your mouth and your cheeks 1959 01:09:34,199 --> 01:09:36,359 are full, and it doesn't work. And so 1960 01:09:36,359 --> 01:09:37,960 the same kinda I don't know if that 1961 01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:40,119 makes sense, but the same kinda thing happens 1962 01:09:40,119 --> 01:09:42,125 with the fans is that your 1963 01:09:42,585 --> 01:09:45,385 the circulation and maybe the exhaust draw in 1964 01:09:45,385 --> 01:09:48,125 more than the exit exit fan can handle. 1965 01:09:48,585 --> 01:09:51,305 And so you're basically having air that's sitting 1966 01:09:51,305 --> 01:09:53,944 around in the greenhouse waiting for its chance 1967 01:09:53,944 --> 01:09:56,505 to escape. And in the meantime, it's heated 1968 01:09:56,505 --> 01:09:57,005 up. 1969 01:09:57,439 --> 01:10:00,159 And so we wanna make sure and in 1970 01:10:00,159 --> 01:10:02,640 some cases, maybe that's the idea for some 1971 01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:04,800 farms is just to have that exhaust fan 1972 01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:07,039 at one end that's blowing the air out. 1973 01:10:07,039 --> 01:10:09,300 But what it's doing is it's it's 1974 01:10:10,524 --> 01:10:12,784 capturing air at the other end and naturally 1975 01:10:12,925 --> 01:10:14,465 bringing it through the canopy 1976 01:10:14,845 --> 01:10:17,005 and out the other side. And so I 1977 01:10:17,005 --> 01:10:19,904 would just say that, you know, more air 1978 01:10:20,204 --> 01:10:23,725 movement isn't always better just because we're in 1979 01:10:23,725 --> 01:10:24,829 these structures 1980 01:10:25,289 --> 01:10:27,849 and there has to be a way an 1981 01:10:27,849 --> 01:10:29,770 even in and an even out for all 1982 01:10:29,770 --> 01:10:31,389 that air. And if we kinda 1983 01:10:31,689 --> 01:10:33,609 go in between that with too many maybe 1984 01:10:33,609 --> 01:10:36,010 circulation fans or other things in some of 1985 01:10:36,010 --> 01:10:36,750 these setups, 1986 01:10:37,244 --> 01:10:39,885 we could cause the opposite reaction. And so 1987 01:10:39,885 --> 01:10:42,045 it's always just good to be mindful. And 1988 01:10:42,045 --> 01:10:43,744 one thing that I always say to people 1989 01:10:43,965 --> 01:10:46,225 is that it's easier to add more fans 1990 01:10:46,364 --> 01:10:48,445 if you think that you need more. If 1991 01:10:48,445 --> 01:10:50,350 you buy a bunch of fans and all 1992 01:10:50,350 --> 01:10:52,109 of a sudden you're like, well, maybe I 1993 01:10:52,109 --> 01:10:53,949 didn't need this fan or or this is 1994 01:10:53,949 --> 01:10:56,189 too many fans. I listened to the podcast, 1995 01:10:56,189 --> 01:10:58,270 and now I realize I've got too many 1996 01:10:58,270 --> 01:10:58,770 fans. 1997 01:10:59,149 --> 01:11:00,829 It's really easier to go to the store 1998 01:11:00,829 --> 01:11:02,510 and buy another fan and add 1 than 1999 01:11:02,510 --> 01:11:04,109 it is to sit around with a bunch 2000 01:11:04,109 --> 01:11:06,074 of fans and go, okay. Now they're going 2001 01:11:06,074 --> 01:11:09,034 on Facebook Marketplace or the next garage sale 2002 01:11:09,034 --> 01:11:11,454 or Yeah. Or whatever. And so, 2003 01:11:12,395 --> 01:11:13,055 you know, 2004 01:11:13,515 --> 01:11:15,675 starting out with a little bit and adding 2005 01:11:15,675 --> 01:11:17,914 more is the best way to go. Right 2006 01:11:17,914 --> 01:11:18,414 on. 2007 01:11:19,130 --> 01:11:21,449 So let's talk about about too much cool, 2008 01:11:21,449 --> 01:11:24,010 too much cold, not enough heat. Now for 2009 01:11:24,010 --> 01:11:25,850 most of us, this isn't something that we're 2010 01:11:25,850 --> 01:11:26,750 gonna experience 2011 01:11:27,130 --> 01:11:30,010 during our the main part of our growing 2012 01:11:30,010 --> 01:11:32,109 season. It's probably something that is 2013 01:11:32,534 --> 01:11:34,314 happening towards the end. 2014 01:11:34,774 --> 01:11:36,534 Certainly, there are people who are gonna have 2015 01:11:36,534 --> 01:11:38,954 cold nights that they need to insulate from, 2016 01:11:39,574 --> 01:11:42,534 in in the country. But but for most 2017 01:11:42,534 --> 01:11:44,614 people, it seems to be the end of 2018 01:11:44,614 --> 01:11:46,774 flowering when they're trying to squeeze out another 2019 01:11:46,774 --> 01:11:47,755 week or 2, 2020 01:11:48,109 --> 01:11:50,350 but the e the nights are have dropped 2021 01:11:50,350 --> 01:11:53,149 below or near 50. And so so they're 2022 01:11:53,149 --> 01:11:55,869 just trying to keep their their plants awake 2023 01:11:55,869 --> 01:11:57,329 and the soil awake. 2024 01:11:59,885 --> 01:12:01,885 At the same time, we don't want to 2025 01:12:01,885 --> 01:12:03,905 close-up the greenhouse totally 2026 01:12:04,525 --> 01:12:07,405 because this is also mold time of year, 2027 01:12:07,405 --> 01:12:09,585 and we don't want them to to 2028 01:12:09,885 --> 01:12:12,525 the plants that are molding to get other 2029 01:12:12,525 --> 01:12:14,385 plants also molding. 2030 01:12:15,050 --> 01:12:15,550 So, 2031 01:12:16,250 --> 01:12:18,270 what suggestions do you make for 2032 01:12:18,970 --> 01:12:20,750 preserving that air exchange 2033 01:12:21,289 --> 01:12:22,810 so that you can keep the fresh air 2034 01:12:22,810 --> 01:12:23,550 coming in, 2035 01:12:24,569 --> 01:12:25,069 without, 2036 01:12:26,250 --> 01:12:27,930 making the plants too cold there at the 2037 01:12:27,930 --> 01:12:28,829 end of the season? 2038 01:12:29,845 --> 01:12:31,864 Yeah. That that's definitely a tricky 2039 01:12:32,324 --> 01:12:34,965 or slippery slope in some cases. Depending on 2040 01:12:34,965 --> 01:12:36,905 where you are, it's different for everybody. 2041 01:12:38,085 --> 01:12:39,845 One of the things that I would also 2042 01:12:39,845 --> 01:12:42,244 look at, you know, going into those times 2043 01:12:42,244 --> 01:12:44,729 of years is is how I'm irrigating my 2044 01:12:44,729 --> 01:12:45,550 water schedule. 2045 01:12:45,929 --> 01:12:47,609 You know, I might actually start to cut 2046 01:12:47,609 --> 01:12:49,130 back on the water a little bit as 2047 01:12:49,130 --> 01:12:50,809 I know it's starting to cool down because 2048 01:12:50,809 --> 01:12:52,989 the plants aren't gonna use as much water 2049 01:12:53,449 --> 01:12:55,289 as they start to cool down. If they're 2050 01:12:55,289 --> 01:12:57,164 starting to finish, it's not a bad idea. 2051 01:12:57,164 --> 01:12:59,685 You know, even though maybe there's the idea 2052 01:12:59,685 --> 01:13:00,265 of flushing, 2053 01:13:01,125 --> 01:13:04,005 that doesn't go away, but it uses less 2054 01:13:04,005 --> 01:13:06,324 water, less amounts of water in order to 2055 01:13:06,324 --> 01:13:06,985 do that. 2056 01:13:08,965 --> 01:13:09,704 You know, 2057 01:13:11,179 --> 01:13:13,340 bringing in cold air isn't the worst thing 2058 01:13:13,340 --> 01:13:15,020 in the world, but it takes a little 2059 01:13:15,020 --> 01:13:16,699 bit of work in these do it yourself 2060 01:13:16,699 --> 01:13:19,179 greenhouses because, you know, we try to put 2061 01:13:19,179 --> 01:13:21,179 things on a timer or something like that. 2062 01:13:21,179 --> 01:13:22,319 But a lot of times, 2063 01:13:22,715 --> 01:13:25,114 you know, we're we're the sensor. You know, 2064 01:13:25,114 --> 01:13:27,274 us as humans are the main sensor, and 2065 01:13:27,274 --> 01:13:29,034 we go, hey. It feels warm. Or, hey. 2066 01:13:29,034 --> 01:13:30,814 It feels cold. We should do this. 2067 01:13:31,194 --> 01:13:33,594 And so, again, it I think it's really 2068 01:13:33,594 --> 01:13:34,710 important to have that 2069 01:13:35,590 --> 01:13:38,149 infrared thermometer so you can point and shoot 2070 01:13:38,149 --> 01:13:40,250 and see what your plant temps are, especially 2071 01:13:40,310 --> 01:13:42,409 your buds. And so I would say that, 2072 01:13:42,550 --> 01:13:44,630 you know, as you're getting closer to the 2073 01:13:44,630 --> 01:13:46,090 finishing of the plants, 2074 01:13:46,550 --> 01:13:49,364 knowing what those flower temperatures are and making 2075 01:13:49,364 --> 01:13:51,045 sure they don't get too hot in the 2076 01:13:51,045 --> 01:13:51,545 daytime, 2077 01:13:52,484 --> 01:13:54,484 and then that temperature swing in the night 2078 01:13:54,484 --> 01:13:56,724 gets too crazy where they get terribly cold. 2079 01:13:56,724 --> 01:13:57,385 And so, 2080 01:13:57,685 --> 01:14:00,005 you know, what ends up happening sometimes is 2081 01:14:00,005 --> 01:14:02,724 it's almost like a air conditioning condenser. You 2082 01:14:02,724 --> 01:14:04,609 know, it starts to get that 2083 01:14:06,130 --> 01:14:07,969 On a hot day, that pipe starts to 2084 01:14:07,969 --> 01:14:09,989 get frost built up on it. 2085 01:14:11,170 --> 01:14:13,090 Plants are kind of a condenser in the 2086 01:14:13,090 --> 01:14:15,729 same regard. They don't necessarily get frost and 2087 01:14:15,729 --> 01:14:18,130 freeze around them or whatever, but they get 2088 01:14:18,130 --> 01:14:19,545 hot and cold. And And when they get 2089 01:14:19,545 --> 01:14:20,765 hot and cold, they 2090 01:14:21,225 --> 01:14:22,284 expire moisture, 2091 01:14:23,145 --> 01:14:25,225 or not in some cases. And so being 2092 01:14:25,225 --> 01:14:26,204 able to monitor, 2093 01:14:27,064 --> 01:14:29,484 where the shift or where that change is 2094 01:14:29,704 --> 01:14:31,880 and kind of knowing because here's the thing, 2095 01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:33,960 you don't necessarily have to carry this thing 2096 01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:36,760 around all the time and monitor things. It's 2097 01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:38,520 not a bad idea. It's not hard to 2098 01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:40,280 do. But, eventually, you start to get a 2099 01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:42,359 little bit of a a groove going. You 2100 01:14:42,359 --> 01:14:43,659 know, you kinda get that 2101 01:14:43,975 --> 01:14:46,454 Jedi mindset with the plants and going, okay. 2102 01:14:46,454 --> 01:14:47,975 I know it's gonna happen on a day 2103 01:14:47,975 --> 01:14:49,814 like today, so I need to be prepared 2104 01:14:49,814 --> 01:14:52,295 and maybe close the greenhouse up a little 2105 01:14:52,295 --> 01:14:54,614 earlier than I normally would. And that goes 2106 01:14:54,614 --> 01:14:56,534 for the opening of the greenhouse. Maybe I 2107 01:14:56,534 --> 01:14:58,614 need to actually open the greenhouse a little 2108 01:14:58,614 --> 01:14:59,274 bit more 2109 01:15:00,289 --> 01:15:02,770 on these days. And so really understanding and 2110 01:15:02,770 --> 01:15:05,329 looking ahead at the weather patterns and then 2111 01:15:05,329 --> 01:15:08,050 realizing what the cause and effect is with 2112 01:15:08,050 --> 01:15:10,050 some of that weather on those plants in 2113 01:15:10,050 --> 01:15:10,789 that greenhouse. 2114 01:15:11,329 --> 01:15:13,430 And, really, you know, the temp and humidity 2115 01:15:15,965 --> 01:15:18,284 sensors are great. You know, even the basic 2116 01:15:18,284 --> 01:15:20,204 pool ones that, you know, you hang outside 2117 01:15:20,204 --> 01:15:21,404 and you don't have to hook it up 2118 01:15:21,404 --> 01:15:23,804 to any electricity at all are really good 2119 01:15:23,804 --> 01:15:25,564 for telling us the temp and the humidity 2120 01:15:25,564 --> 01:15:26,925 of things. And then we look at the 2121 01:15:26,925 --> 01:15:28,524 plant temp with the laser, and we go, 2122 01:15:28,524 --> 01:15:29,024 oh, 2123 01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:31,760 This is where I'm at. So, you know, 2124 01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:33,539 if things get warmer or colder, 2125 01:15:34,079 --> 01:15:35,840 this could be what happens. And so in 2126 01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:38,000 some cases, it might be just turning off 2127 01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,239 the fan, or it might be just turning 2128 01:15:40,239 --> 01:15:42,159 on the fan, or it might be closing 2129 01:15:42,159 --> 01:15:44,399 the greenhouse, like I said earlier, opening it 2130 01:15:44,399 --> 01:15:46,235 up. But I would say that 2131 01:15:46,935 --> 01:15:49,095 it's best to always do one little thing 2132 01:15:49,095 --> 01:15:51,494 at a time rather than several things because 2133 01:15:51,494 --> 01:15:53,095 it's really easy for us to get caught 2134 01:15:53,095 --> 01:15:55,435 up in how we feel also, 2135 01:15:55,735 --> 01:15:57,510 and how we feel isn't how the plants 2136 01:15:57,590 --> 01:15:59,670 feel. And so, you know, when we're walking 2137 01:15:59,670 --> 01:16:02,069 around in socks and shoes and hats and 2138 01:16:02,069 --> 01:16:04,250 gloves and pants and all these things, 2139 01:16:04,630 --> 01:16:07,670 what we're feeling isn't really how the plants 2140 01:16:07,670 --> 01:16:09,689 feel. There's not an apples to apples 2141 01:16:10,295 --> 01:16:12,295 situation going on. And so I always kinda 2142 01:16:12,295 --> 01:16:14,314 laugh when people go into a grow room 2143 01:16:14,534 --> 01:16:16,295 or a greenhouse and go, oh, it's really 2144 01:16:16,295 --> 01:16:18,135 hot in here. Oh, it's really this or 2145 01:16:18,135 --> 01:16:20,454 that. And that's true. It is. But are 2146 01:16:20,454 --> 01:16:21,755 the plants experiencing 2147 01:16:22,055 --> 01:16:22,875 that same, 2148 01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:25,880 you know, feeling or reaction that you're getting 2149 01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:26,780 out of the room? 2150 01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:29,479 A lot of times, it's not. And so 2151 01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:31,560 that's why I say, like, monitor what the 2152 01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:34,360 plants is really doing. Soil temp is really 2153 01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:37,064 important, the substrate temp, and knowing what that 2154 01:16:37,064 --> 01:16:38,664 is and being able to make sure that 2155 01:16:38,664 --> 01:16:39,324 you're not 2156 01:16:39,704 --> 01:16:42,024 using freezing cold water towards the end of 2157 01:16:42,024 --> 01:16:44,425 that cycle and and shocking the roots even 2158 01:16:44,425 --> 01:16:46,265 more for the development of things. It might 2159 01:16:46,265 --> 01:16:48,104 just be that we need to heat up 2160 01:16:48,104 --> 01:16:49,944 the water when we irrigate at that time 2161 01:16:49,944 --> 01:16:52,510 of the year, and maybe nothing else matters. 2162 01:16:53,210 --> 01:16:55,449 But, again, you have to monitor all that 2163 01:16:55,449 --> 01:16:57,390 stuff so that you can really 2164 01:16:57,930 --> 01:16:59,710 process everything to help 2165 01:17:00,090 --> 01:17:01,789 make that decision of what 2166 01:17:02,170 --> 01:17:03,550 direction you're gonna go. 2167 01:17:04,034 --> 01:17:06,034 Again, just because we read that some guy 2168 01:17:06,034 --> 01:17:07,875 does it on the Internet does not mean 2169 01:17:07,875 --> 01:17:10,114 that it makes it appropriate for where we 2170 01:17:10,114 --> 01:17:12,435 live and our goals and and and how 2171 01:17:12,435 --> 01:17:14,994 our gear is set up. So always good 2172 01:17:14,994 --> 01:17:17,255 always good to interpret these things for ourselves. 2173 01:17:18,310 --> 01:17:21,590 Instagram has not helped the commercial farmer one 2174 01:17:21,590 --> 01:17:23,909 bit, I feel like. All I've seen is 2175 01:17:23,909 --> 01:17:25,909 people go, I saw this online, and I'm 2176 01:17:25,909 --> 01:17:26,729 like, well, 2177 01:17:27,430 --> 01:17:29,510 that wasn't in your state, your town, in 2178 01:17:29,510 --> 01:17:31,750 your climate, or any of these things. And 2179 01:17:31,750 --> 01:17:34,835 so, you know, Instagram or social media is 2180 01:17:34,835 --> 01:17:36,135 a great place to see. 2181 01:17:36,835 --> 01:17:38,034 You know, a lot of times people are 2182 01:17:38,034 --> 01:17:39,635 only showing the good stuff, you know, for 2183 01:17:39,635 --> 01:17:41,494 the most part. But at the same time, 2184 01:17:41,875 --> 01:17:44,194 there's more to it than the picture that 2185 01:17:44,194 --> 01:17:46,614 we're seeing. There's usually more to it than 2186 01:17:46,810 --> 01:17:48,729 even some of the statements that we read 2187 01:17:48,729 --> 01:17:50,109 about some of these techniques. 2188 01:17:50,890 --> 01:17:53,210 And while they're important to learn and and 2189 01:17:53,210 --> 01:17:54,189 to know about, 2190 01:17:55,050 --> 01:17:57,289 people are really quick to apply or jump, 2191 01:17:57,289 --> 01:17:59,289 you know, knee jerk reaction to, hey, this 2192 01:17:59,289 --> 01:18:00,729 is what I wanna do, or, hey, this 2193 01:18:00,729 --> 01:18:02,805 is where we wanna go, this direction or 2194 01:18:02,805 --> 01:18:03,305 whatever. 2195 01:18:03,765 --> 01:18:05,844 And in the commercial setting at scale, it's 2196 01:18:05,844 --> 01:18:08,085 taken people down the wrong road. And so 2197 01:18:08,085 --> 01:18:09,545 luckily, with the home growers, 2198 01:18:10,085 --> 01:18:11,604 I think that there's a little bit more 2199 01:18:11,604 --> 01:18:13,444 of a you know, a little bit more 2200 01:18:13,444 --> 01:18:15,750 forgiveness here, but still, it's it's money out 2201 01:18:15,750 --> 01:18:17,349 of our pocket when we're trying to grow 2202 01:18:17,349 --> 01:18:19,189 and do these things, whether we're at scale 2203 01:18:19,189 --> 01:18:21,369 or we're at home. And so, 2204 01:18:22,869 --> 01:18:24,550 you know, like I said, the more things 2205 01:18:24,550 --> 01:18:26,309 that we can kinda monitor and keep an 2206 01:18:26,309 --> 01:18:28,550 eye on, the better we have chances of 2207 01:18:28,550 --> 01:18:29,770 making the right pivot 2208 01:18:30,085 --> 01:18:31,145 at the right time. 2209 01:18:31,764 --> 01:18:34,164 But, again, you know, I would take what 2210 01:18:34,164 --> 01:18:36,724 you learn on social media sometimes, especially when 2211 01:18:36,724 --> 01:18:38,744 it's just a picture and a quick statement 2212 01:18:38,804 --> 01:18:40,344 with a grain of salt because 2213 01:18:40,645 --> 01:18:42,824 there's way more to those stories than 2214 01:18:44,260 --> 01:18:45,320 what's being told. 2215 01:18:45,780 --> 01:18:46,280 Totally. 2216 01:18:46,659 --> 01:18:48,659 Alright. So the last area I wanna ping 2217 01:18:48,659 --> 01:18:50,659 on here before we wrap up set 2 2218 01:18:50,659 --> 01:18:50,979 is, 2219 01:18:51,859 --> 01:18:53,239 is insect pests. 2220 01:18:53,619 --> 01:18:55,460 Because we're you know, once you have a 2221 01:18:55,460 --> 01:18:57,460 greenhouse, you kinda have you're kind of a 2222 01:18:57,460 --> 01:18:57,960 host 2223 01:18:58,260 --> 01:19:01,135 for a war. Right? Mhmm. We we've got 2224 01:19:01,135 --> 01:19:03,154 all of the naturally occurring 2225 01:19:03,534 --> 01:19:04,034 beneficial 2226 01:19:04,494 --> 01:19:07,614 insects that are just in nature. And if 2227 01:19:07,614 --> 01:19:10,175 we've got a grassy floor, certainly, they are 2228 01:19:10,175 --> 01:19:10,675 in, 2229 01:19:11,054 --> 01:19:12,630 the greenhouse. And we've got a bunch of 2230 01:19:12,630 --> 01:19:13,130 plants. 2231 01:19:13,590 --> 01:19:15,369 So they are attracting, 2232 01:19:16,390 --> 01:19:16,890 beneficial, 2233 01:19:18,310 --> 01:19:19,610 predators as well. 2234 01:19:19,989 --> 01:19:21,770 And then if we are, 2235 01:19:22,149 --> 01:19:24,890 you know, choosing to also do order beneficial 2236 01:19:25,189 --> 01:19:28,305 insects online from somebody like, you know, natural 2237 01:19:28,305 --> 01:19:31,364 enemies or something. We're adding those to it, 2238 01:19:31,425 --> 01:19:32,965 and so now we've got, 2239 01:19:33,505 --> 01:19:36,065 whatever pest pressure that we have in the 2240 01:19:36,065 --> 01:19:39,185 natural environment, plus all the good guys in 2241 01:19:39,185 --> 01:19:40,244 the natural environment 2242 01:19:40,545 --> 01:19:42,324 and anything that we've added. 2243 01:19:43,159 --> 01:19:45,020 And now they're all within, 2244 01:19:46,039 --> 01:19:47,739 you know, these walls, 2245 01:19:48,199 --> 01:19:49,899 and it's like a cage match. 2246 01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:50,920 So, 2247 01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:55,260 what has your experience been as far as 2248 01:19:56,574 --> 01:19:59,155 pest pressure being worse in a greenhouse 2249 01:20:00,255 --> 01:20:00,994 and also 2250 01:20:01,854 --> 01:20:03,074 pest solutions 2251 01:20:04,095 --> 01:20:06,655 being potentially easier in a greenhouse? I mean, 2252 01:20:06,655 --> 01:20:08,414 how how does this play out differently in 2253 01:20:08,414 --> 01:20:10,274 a greenhouse, and what are your recommendations? 2254 01:20:11,659 --> 01:20:13,819 Well, it's it's funny. Like, you you brought 2255 01:20:13,819 --> 01:20:16,139 up a couple funny points of the yeah. 2256 01:20:16,139 --> 01:20:17,840 I mean, it's it can be an ongoing 2257 01:20:17,979 --> 01:20:18,479 battle, 2258 01:20:19,100 --> 01:20:21,739 and it's definitely something to be noteworthy of. 2259 01:20:21,739 --> 01:20:22,399 And so 2260 01:20:22,859 --> 01:20:24,475 I would say that, you know, one of 2261 01:20:24,475 --> 01:20:25,695 the best environments 2262 01:20:26,555 --> 01:20:28,855 for a pest is in a greenhouse. I 2263 01:20:29,114 --> 01:20:31,034 mean, pests will really take off in a 2264 01:20:31,034 --> 01:20:33,835 greenhouse just because it's the warmer spot than 2265 01:20:33,835 --> 01:20:35,515 anywhere else on the property a lot of 2266 01:20:35,515 --> 01:20:37,529 times. And so it's another reason that 2267 01:20:39,449 --> 01:20:41,689 Well, let me say this too, is that 2268 01:20:41,689 --> 01:20:43,849 a lot of people come from the idea 2269 01:20:43,849 --> 01:20:45,949 of controlled environment agriculture 2270 01:20:46,250 --> 01:20:49,210 or controlled environment period. They just say that 2271 01:20:49,210 --> 01:20:51,050 word all the time. Oh, a greenhouse is 2272 01:20:51,050 --> 01:20:53,604 a little more controlled environment. And we hear 2273 01:20:53,604 --> 01:20:55,845 that term a lot. And so to be 2274 01:20:55,845 --> 01:20:57,604 honest, I mean, even some of the most 2275 01:20:57,604 --> 01:21:00,585 sophisticated greenhouses out there, state of the art, 2276 01:21:00,965 --> 01:21:02,345 are really hard to control. 2277 01:21:03,524 --> 01:21:05,445 On one hand, it's just because some of 2278 01:21:05,445 --> 01:21:07,364 the bell there's too many bells and whistles, 2279 01:21:07,364 --> 01:21:10,090 and some in some cases, there's not enough 2280 01:21:10,710 --> 01:21:12,710 talent or people that know how to dial 2281 01:21:12,710 --> 01:21:14,550 all this stuff in. I mean, cannabis has 2282 01:21:14,550 --> 01:21:18,010 taken greenhouses further than any, you know, ag 2283 01:21:18,869 --> 01:21:21,305 greenhouse has ever gone. And so are there 2284 01:21:21,305 --> 01:21:22,905 people out there that know how to dial 2285 01:21:22,905 --> 01:21:25,005 these things in and make them work right? 2286 01:21:25,145 --> 01:21:27,465 There's far and few between. It's really difficult 2287 01:21:27,465 --> 01:21:28,685 out there. And so it's 2288 01:21:28,985 --> 01:21:30,985 really better if people, you know, look at 2289 01:21:30,985 --> 01:21:33,324 things at a more practical aspect, but 2290 01:21:34,090 --> 01:21:34,829 that's a different story. 2291 01:21:36,570 --> 01:21:39,130 With with my way of looking at things, 2292 01:21:39,130 --> 01:21:41,770 I wanna create support. And so instead of 2293 01:21:41,770 --> 01:21:44,489 controlled environment, I wanna have a supportive environment. 2294 01:21:44,489 --> 01:21:45,770 And so a lot of the stuff that 2295 01:21:45,770 --> 01:21:46,670 we talked about 2296 01:21:47,050 --> 01:21:47,789 is already 2297 01:21:48,090 --> 01:21:50,704 in that alignment of supporting things. 2298 01:21:51,244 --> 01:21:52,864 Naturally, how can we, 2299 01:21:53,645 --> 01:21:55,185 help the plants and benefit, 2300 01:21:56,204 --> 01:21:57,425 growing them easier 2301 01:21:57,805 --> 01:21:58,305 and 2302 01:21:58,685 --> 01:22:00,064 without all these problems 2303 01:22:00,685 --> 01:22:02,445 and without all these bells and whistles. So 2304 01:22:02,445 --> 01:22:04,060 that's why I always say, you know, use 2305 01:22:04,060 --> 01:22:06,060 the word support as much as possible. And 2306 01:22:06,060 --> 01:22:07,360 so when it comes to, 2307 01:22:08,539 --> 01:22:11,100 the greenhouses and this pest issue that comes 2308 01:22:11,100 --> 01:22:11,600 up, 2309 01:22:12,140 --> 01:22:13,979 it definitely really can be an issue because 2310 01:22:13,979 --> 01:22:15,579 I've been to a lot of greenhouses that 2311 01:22:15,579 --> 01:22:17,439 do get really hot and have, 2312 01:22:17,905 --> 01:22:20,864 you know, adverse effects, and the pests really 2313 01:22:20,864 --> 01:22:23,185 proliferate and do well in some of these 2314 01:22:23,185 --> 01:22:26,164 greenhouses and especially these hot zones. And so 2315 01:22:26,945 --> 01:22:28,784 the the first order of business would be, 2316 01:22:28,784 --> 01:22:30,864 you know, knowing where your plants come from. 2317 01:22:30,864 --> 01:22:32,465 So, I mean, if you're starting them from 2318 01:22:32,465 --> 01:22:34,420 seed at your own house, that's great. 2319 01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:36,479 You have a lot more control over it 2320 01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:36,979 than 2321 01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:37,780 than, 2322 01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:40,640 if you were maybe bringing in clones from 2323 01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:42,800 somewhere else. If you are bringing in clones 2324 01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:43,939 from somewhere else, 2325 01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:45,920 you really need to make sure that they're 2326 01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:47,439 clean. And how do you do that? Well, 2327 01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:49,885 you can take the jeweler's loop, the microscopes, 2328 01:22:49,885 --> 01:22:50,385 and 2329 01:22:50,685 --> 01:22:52,764 really look the plants over from the leaves 2330 01:22:52,764 --> 01:22:54,764 and the underside and things like that to 2331 01:22:54,764 --> 01:22:57,005 determine if there's anything on them or wrong 2332 01:22:57,005 --> 01:22:57,664 with them. 2333 01:22:58,364 --> 01:23:00,125 And then the other thing would be to, 2334 01:23:00,125 --> 01:23:02,284 you know, work on a a program of 2335 01:23:02,284 --> 01:23:03,344 keeping them clean. 2336 01:23:04,319 --> 01:23:05,920 Maybe if you did buy clones and they're 2337 01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:08,719 not clean, then that program of of dipping 2338 01:23:08,719 --> 01:23:10,719 them before you plant them or making sure 2339 01:23:10,719 --> 01:23:12,899 that you're using some type of pest management 2340 01:23:13,279 --> 01:23:15,699 right off the bat so that, you know, 2341 01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:18,340 you don't wait until the they they, 2342 01:23:20,494 --> 01:23:21,875 become, you know, more infested. 2343 01:23:22,574 --> 01:23:24,094 So get trying to nip it in the 2344 01:23:24,094 --> 01:23:25,774 bud as soon as possible is really the 2345 01:23:25,774 --> 01:23:27,534 key, and that goes for the mom plants. 2346 01:23:27,534 --> 01:23:29,534 If you're making your own cuttings off your 2347 01:23:29,534 --> 01:23:31,774 own moms, you wanna make sure that your 2348 01:23:31,774 --> 01:23:33,694 moms are as clean as possible so that 2349 01:23:33,694 --> 01:23:35,550 you start out as clean as possible. 2350 01:23:35,930 --> 01:23:37,710 And then as you go into the greenhouse, 2351 01:23:37,770 --> 01:23:39,130 yeah, like you said, if you have a 2352 01:23:39,130 --> 01:23:41,210 grass floor or we're in these greenhouses with 2353 01:23:41,210 --> 01:23:42,350 these open doors 2354 01:23:43,050 --> 01:23:45,610 and sidewalls and things like that, sure, bugs 2355 01:23:45,610 --> 01:23:47,845 can fly come flying in. I hear that 2356 01:23:47,845 --> 01:23:49,445 a lot of times when I've talked over 2357 01:23:49,445 --> 01:23:51,604 the years about opening the door or rolling 2358 01:23:51,604 --> 01:23:53,284 up a sidewall on a greenhouse. It's like, 2359 01:23:53,284 --> 01:23:55,524 well, the bugs can come in. And that's 2360 01:23:55,524 --> 01:23:57,145 definitely true. They can. 2361 01:23:57,524 --> 01:23:58,104 I mean, 2362 01:23:58,659 --> 01:24:00,500 from what we've learned and seen over the 2363 01:24:00,500 --> 01:24:01,000 years, 2364 01:24:01,460 --> 01:24:03,699 the bugs really, you know, try to find 2365 01:24:03,699 --> 01:24:05,859 the weakest plant in in the in the 2366 01:24:05,859 --> 01:24:08,420 population. And so, you know, plants that are 2367 01:24:08,420 --> 01:24:10,579 not as healthy as other plants typically will 2368 01:24:10,579 --> 01:24:11,399 get the bugs 2369 01:24:12,095 --> 01:24:14,574 first. Some people will even say, oh, you 2370 01:24:14,574 --> 01:24:16,975 know, I grow these 3 different cultivars in 2371 01:24:16,975 --> 01:24:19,215 my greenhouse, but they only wanna go to 2372 01:24:19,215 --> 01:24:19,715 the, 2373 01:24:20,095 --> 01:24:22,335 you know, the gelato or something. They they 2374 01:24:22,335 --> 01:24:24,414 like the terps of the gelato more than 2375 01:24:24,414 --> 01:24:26,600 they like the OG or 2376 01:24:26,979 --> 01:24:29,539 the the lemon cherry gelato or something. Whatever. 2377 01:24:29,539 --> 01:24:30,439 You know? And so 2378 01:24:31,060 --> 01:24:33,460 that might seem like the case, but it's 2379 01:24:33,460 --> 01:24:35,539 not totally the case. Most of the time, 2380 01:24:35,539 --> 01:24:37,539 it has to do with and and, again, 2381 01:24:37,539 --> 01:24:40,100 plants can seem and look really healthy, but 2382 01:24:40,100 --> 01:24:42,235 when they have this bug infestation, that's the 2383 01:24:42,235 --> 01:24:44,414 first sign that there is something wrong 2384 01:24:44,795 --> 01:24:46,395 with the health of the plant. And why 2385 01:24:46,395 --> 01:24:48,235 aren't they going to the other plants? Well, 2386 01:24:48,235 --> 01:24:50,155 the other plants are a little bit stronger 2387 01:24:50,155 --> 01:24:51,935 and more resistant to those bugs, 2388 01:24:52,475 --> 01:24:54,795 and they found that this strain or this 2389 01:24:54,795 --> 01:24:56,574 particular plant in the greenhouse 2390 01:24:57,170 --> 01:24:59,649 is weaker than the rest. And that maybe 2391 01:24:59,649 --> 01:25:02,130 is because of the nutritional demands and the 2392 01:25:02,130 --> 01:25:03,109 way that the substrate 2393 01:25:03,569 --> 01:25:05,429 and things were made up. Maybe we 2394 01:25:06,449 --> 01:25:07,989 mixed up a pot and it 2395 01:25:08,689 --> 01:25:10,210 it was the last of our bag of 2396 01:25:10,210 --> 01:25:12,210 soil and our amendments, and we kinda just 2397 01:25:12,210 --> 01:25:13,064 didn't give 2398 01:25:13,944 --> 01:25:14,925 that last little 2399 01:25:15,225 --> 01:25:17,784 plant everything that everybody else got. And so 2400 01:25:17,784 --> 01:25:19,465 we now know that it's getting all the 2401 01:25:19,465 --> 01:25:21,625 bugs because it just didn't meet the health 2402 01:25:21,625 --> 01:25:24,104 demands of the nutrition and everything that it 2403 01:25:24,104 --> 01:25:25,244 was put up against. 2404 01:25:25,784 --> 01:25:28,125 The other thing is that inside the greenhouses, 2405 01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:31,359 we always wanna start scouting in the corners 2406 01:25:31,359 --> 01:25:33,599 because the corners are typically warmer than the 2407 01:25:33,599 --> 01:25:35,439 center of the greenhouse. When the sun comes 2408 01:25:35,439 --> 01:25:38,000 up in the morning, it's usually directed to 2409 01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:40,319 one end of the greenhouse or side. And 2410 01:25:40,319 --> 01:25:42,639 then as the sun goes down, the same 2411 01:25:42,639 --> 01:25:43,699 thing. And so, 2412 01:25:44,364 --> 01:25:46,385 typically, you always wanna look on the outskirts 2413 01:25:46,445 --> 01:25:49,005 or the ends of the greenhouses for the 2414 01:25:49,005 --> 01:25:49,905 first infestations, 2415 01:25:51,244 --> 01:25:53,005 and and that will tell you a lot 2416 01:25:53,005 --> 01:25:55,405 as well. And so, again, we're trying to 2417 01:25:55,405 --> 01:25:58,045 avoid an infestation. And so the program that 2418 01:25:58,045 --> 01:26:00,119 you set up from the early 2419 01:26:00,500 --> 01:26:03,140 time is really important to have. And then 2420 01:26:03,140 --> 01:26:04,979 the main part of that program, I would 2421 01:26:04,979 --> 01:26:05,960 say, is scouting. 2422 01:26:06,659 --> 01:26:08,180 I know that a lot of people's first 2423 01:26:08,180 --> 01:26:09,780 line of defense is just, hey. I just 2424 01:26:09,780 --> 01:26:12,100 spray my plants every couple days no matter 2425 01:26:12,100 --> 01:26:13,800 if I have bugs or not. 2426 01:26:14,224 --> 01:26:17,184 And, you know, that method is okay, but 2427 01:26:17,184 --> 01:26:19,344 it it's not the best for the plants 2428 01:26:19,344 --> 01:26:21,045 and the expressions of the flowers, 2429 01:26:21,664 --> 01:26:23,664 and it can be hard on the plants 2430 01:26:23,664 --> 01:26:25,344 to spray them all the time with even 2431 01:26:25,344 --> 01:26:28,279 organic pesticides. They don't love it, but they 2432 01:26:28,279 --> 01:26:29,420 also don't necessarily 2433 01:26:30,119 --> 01:26:32,199 hate it a tremendous amount. But if we're 2434 01:26:32,199 --> 01:26:34,219 trying to grow quality medicine 2435 01:26:35,239 --> 01:26:37,500 and trying to keep the plant moving forward, 2436 01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:39,800 every time we spray the plants with those 2437 01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:41,239 oils, it is a little bit of a 2438 01:26:41,239 --> 01:26:41,739 setback, 2439 01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:43,659 for the plant itself. 2440 01:26:44,055 --> 01:26:46,614 And so scouting with the jeweler's loop and 2441 01:26:46,614 --> 01:26:49,015 just really being able to identify where the 2442 01:26:49,015 --> 01:26:50,875 pests are, how bad it is, 2443 01:26:51,335 --> 01:26:53,814 maybe gives you the ability to spot spray 2444 01:26:53,814 --> 01:26:55,594 rather than entirely covering 2445 01:26:56,369 --> 01:26:58,930 every plant and soaking everything down. And so 2446 01:26:58,930 --> 01:26:59,430 identifying, 2447 01:27:00,449 --> 01:27:02,770 the hot spots or where these things are, 2448 01:27:02,770 --> 01:27:05,250 which pests they are, and knowing the life 2449 01:27:05,250 --> 01:27:08,050 cycle of these pests. There are times where 2450 01:27:08,050 --> 01:27:10,695 we don't spray enough. Maybe we're spraying every 2451 01:27:10,695 --> 01:27:13,494 7 days or something like that. Maybe that's 2452 01:27:13,494 --> 01:27:15,335 just the idea that someone has. Hey. I 2453 01:27:15,335 --> 01:27:18,055 spray every 7 days. Well, in between that 2454 01:27:18,055 --> 01:27:20,055 time, how many eggs have hatched and how 2455 01:27:20,055 --> 01:27:23,414 many aphids even maybe have proliferated in that 2456 01:27:23,414 --> 01:27:24,395 amount of time? 2457 01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:27,039 It can be quite a bit. And so 2458 01:27:27,039 --> 01:27:28,960 you're actually just kicking the can down the 2459 01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:30,960 road. And so I I think that you 2460 01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:33,359 brought up a good company, Natural Enemies and 2461 01:27:33,359 --> 01:27:35,699 Covert. They really have a lot of cool 2462 01:27:36,159 --> 01:27:39,024 stuff as far as pocket guides and jeweler's 2463 01:27:39,024 --> 01:27:42,164 loops and books on these pests and and, 2464 01:27:42,305 --> 01:27:43,984 you know, posters that you can hang in 2465 01:27:43,984 --> 01:27:46,164 your garage or in your grow room that 2466 01:27:46,385 --> 01:27:48,145 help, you know, kinda keep you on your 2467 01:27:48,145 --> 01:27:50,324 toes for all this pest stuff. And so, 2468 01:27:50,784 --> 01:27:52,005 if you're not scouting 2469 01:27:52,539 --> 01:27:54,699 and using a jeweler's loupe and picking off 2470 01:27:54,699 --> 01:27:56,539 leaves and looking at the underside of them 2471 01:27:56,539 --> 01:27:57,359 quite often, 2472 01:27:58,139 --> 01:28:00,699 I would say that, you know, when an 2473 01:28:00,699 --> 01:28:01,199 infestation 2474 01:28:01,579 --> 01:28:03,819 does pick up, I wouldn't be surprised because 2475 01:28:03,819 --> 01:28:05,600 you can actually find this stuff 2476 01:28:06,854 --> 01:28:09,175 pretty easy before things start to get out 2477 01:28:09,175 --> 01:28:10,234 of hand. And so 2478 01:28:10,614 --> 01:28:12,854 going in and, you know, deleafing the plants 2479 01:28:12,854 --> 01:28:14,614 a little bit before you spray so that 2480 01:28:14,614 --> 01:28:16,135 you get rid of some of those pests. 2481 01:28:16,135 --> 01:28:18,055 And I would say that when you deleaf 2482 01:28:18,055 --> 01:28:20,819 your plants, you always wanna have a plastic 2483 01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:23,199 garbage bag or a a a some type 2484 01:28:23,199 --> 01:28:24,100 of a garbage 2485 01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:27,039 bag with you so you're not just throwing 2486 01:28:27,039 --> 01:28:28,340 those leaves on the ground. 2487 01:28:28,719 --> 01:28:31,279 I know that it's been common practice even 2488 01:28:31,279 --> 01:28:32,719 for me, and I've seen it in the 2489 01:28:32,719 --> 01:28:35,524 commercial level where when they go deleaf, everybody 2490 01:28:35,524 --> 01:28:37,444 just deleafs as fast as they can and 2491 01:28:37,444 --> 01:28:39,524 all the the leaves are hitting the floor 2492 01:28:39,524 --> 01:28:41,524 and on the pots. And then we come 2493 01:28:41,524 --> 01:28:43,364 back later and we, you know, maybe sweep 2494 01:28:43,364 --> 01:28:44,804 it all up or rake it all up 2495 01:28:44,804 --> 01:28:46,645 and then throw it into the garbage bag. 2496 01:28:46,645 --> 01:28:49,130 And what happens is the pests start to 2497 01:28:49,130 --> 01:28:51,210 move around quite a bit, and you're not 2498 01:28:51,210 --> 01:28:52,989 actually getting rid of them. And so 2499 01:28:53,289 --> 01:28:55,770 by de leafing the plants that maybe have 2500 01:28:55,770 --> 01:28:57,929 some bugs on them, we're getting rid of 2501 01:28:57,929 --> 01:28:59,770 quite a few bugs because that's where they 2502 01:28:59,770 --> 01:29:01,949 reside is the underside of the leaf. So 2503 01:29:02,125 --> 01:29:04,685 you can imagine yourself throwing away hundreds of 2504 01:29:04,685 --> 01:29:06,145 pests by just de leafing 2505 01:29:06,524 --> 01:29:08,444 and then going in and doing the the 2506 01:29:08,444 --> 01:29:10,064 spray that needs to be done. 2507 01:29:10,764 --> 01:29:12,364 And some of the products I like to 2508 01:29:12,364 --> 01:29:14,944 use is AZAGuard, which is an Azadiractin. 2509 01:29:15,710 --> 01:29:17,310 I'm not a bit as much of a 2510 01:29:17,310 --> 01:29:19,229 fan of the Aza Max as I am 2511 01:29:19,229 --> 01:29:19,969 the AzaGuard, 2512 01:29:21,069 --> 01:29:22,130 but the Azadiractin, 2513 01:29:23,149 --> 01:29:24,989 another product that I like to use is 2514 01:29:24,989 --> 01:29:28,029 called SuffOil X, and there's a similar product 2515 01:29:28,029 --> 01:29:30,314 to SuffOil X called TriTec. 2516 01:29:30,774 --> 01:29:33,574 They're both 80% mineral oil. One's more expensive 2517 01:29:33,574 --> 01:29:35,734 than the other. I happen to just think 2518 01:29:35,734 --> 01:29:38,255 and notice that SUFYIL X seems to be 2519 01:29:38,255 --> 01:29:40,614 a, a better product at the end of 2520 01:29:40,614 --> 01:29:42,534 the day. But if you need to save 2521 01:29:42,534 --> 01:29:44,234 a couple bucks and go with the TriTec, 2522 01:29:44,295 --> 01:29:45,034 that's okay. 2523 01:29:45,409 --> 01:29:47,670 And I would say that mixing the TriTek 2524 01:29:47,729 --> 01:29:50,229 and the Azigard together can be a powerful 2525 01:29:50,289 --> 01:29:50,789 combo 2526 01:29:51,329 --> 01:29:54,070 in fighting spider mites and, aphids. 2527 01:29:55,409 --> 01:29:57,109 When it comes to things like thrips, 2528 01:29:57,409 --> 01:29:59,489 like I was saying earlier, understanding the life 2529 01:29:59,489 --> 01:30:02,114 cycle is really important because the thrips also, 2530 01:30:02,895 --> 01:30:04,574 have one of the stages of life down 2531 01:30:04,574 --> 01:30:06,494 in the soil or the substrate. And so 2532 01:30:06,494 --> 01:30:06,994 we 2533 01:30:07,774 --> 01:30:09,774 can spray all the thrips we want, but 2534 01:30:09,774 --> 01:30:11,534 if we don't treat the soil, they're never 2535 01:30:11,534 --> 01:30:12,994 gonna go away. And so 2536 01:30:13,295 --> 01:30:15,619 getting, nematodes like the steinerima 2537 01:30:16,239 --> 01:30:18,399 fatalee, if I said that right, sorry if 2538 01:30:18,399 --> 01:30:19,300 I botched it, 2539 01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:20,659 is a good 2540 01:30:21,039 --> 01:30:23,520 nematode to put into the soil to help 2541 01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:25,460 get rid of the thrips or even maybe 2542 01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:27,699 avoid getting some of those thrips, 2543 01:30:28,239 --> 01:30:29,859 in the long run. And so, 2544 01:30:30,435 --> 01:30:32,994 you know, being a home grower, sometimes people 2545 01:30:32,994 --> 01:30:35,074 don't wanna know all these different ins and 2546 01:30:35,074 --> 01:30:37,795 outs and details and things, but, unfortunately, it's 2547 01:30:37,795 --> 01:30:40,435 a really important aspect to to learn and 2548 01:30:40,435 --> 01:30:42,195 to understand. And once you get the hang 2549 01:30:42,195 --> 01:30:43,475 of it and read about it a little 2550 01:30:43,475 --> 01:30:45,560 bit and know the common pests that you 2551 01:30:45,560 --> 01:30:47,479 have and what to do about them, it 2552 01:30:47,479 --> 01:30:49,500 isn't that hard to deal with. But, again, 2553 01:30:50,359 --> 01:30:51,420 if you don't know, 2554 01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:53,640 things can creep up. And by the time 2555 01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:55,319 they creep up and start to do their 2556 01:30:55,319 --> 01:30:57,720 thing, it could be way later in flower 2557 01:30:57,720 --> 01:30:59,319 too. And that's just a tough time to 2558 01:30:59,319 --> 01:31:00,975 have to spray and to begin 2559 01:31:01,515 --> 01:31:03,835 battling pests. And so the more we can 2560 01:31:03,835 --> 01:31:05,755 do to the moms, the clones, and while 2561 01:31:05,755 --> 01:31:07,614 they're in veg and even the earliest, 2562 01:31:08,475 --> 01:31:09,534 weeks of flowering 2563 01:31:10,074 --> 01:31:12,155 will help ensure that we have a great 2564 01:31:12,155 --> 01:31:14,179 finish to the to the end of the 2565 01:31:14,179 --> 01:31:14,679 cycle. 2566 01:31:15,219 --> 01:31:17,399 Damn. That's so well put. So many everybody's 2567 01:31:17,460 --> 01:31:17,960 interested 2568 01:31:18,340 --> 01:31:18,840 in, 2569 01:31:19,779 --> 01:31:23,139 crisis management for their pests when really the 2570 01:31:23,139 --> 01:31:26,100 easy solution is on the prevention side, so 2571 01:31:26,100 --> 01:31:28,039 it doesn't happen in the first place. 2572 01:31:28,935 --> 01:31:31,175 So, alright. So let's go ahead and take 2573 01:31:31,175 --> 01:31:33,734 our second commercial and be right back. You 2574 01:31:33,734 --> 01:31:35,734 are listening to Shaping Fire, and my guest 2575 01:31:35,734 --> 01:31:38,474 today is OG greenhouse consultant, Eric Branstad. 2576 01:31:41,659 --> 01:31:44,220 Fish poop brand fertilizer is an all natural 2577 01:31:44,220 --> 01:31:46,560 fish poop concentrate with nothing added. 2578 01:31:46,939 --> 01:31:48,560 Real fish poop is extraordinarily 2579 01:31:48,939 --> 01:31:49,439 complex. 2580 01:31:49,979 --> 01:31:52,380 Not only are you adding the nitrogen, phosphorus, 2581 01:31:52,380 --> 01:31:54,619 and potassium your plants need to build mass, 2582 01:31:54,619 --> 01:31:56,720 transport nutrients, and enhance flavor, 2583 01:31:57,125 --> 01:31:59,704 But fish waste is also packed with biological 2584 01:31:59,844 --> 01:32:01,064 activity and micronutrients. 2585 01:32:02,244 --> 01:32:04,585 When you add fish poop to your irrigation 2586 01:32:04,645 --> 01:32:07,465 water, you are adding life force, probiotics 2587 01:32:07,765 --> 01:32:08,984 and active microbes. 2588 01:32:09,630 --> 01:32:10,369 These microorganisms 2589 01:32:10,750 --> 01:32:13,250 include a wealth of various bacteria and protozoa, 2590 01:32:13,470 --> 01:32:16,689 which further enhance nutrient availability for the plants. 2591 01:32:17,470 --> 01:32:19,949 Because plants are limited by the absence of 2592 01:32:19,949 --> 01:32:21,170 any essential micronutrient, 2593 01:32:21,855 --> 01:32:24,335 these trace nutrients are the difference between having 2594 01:32:24,335 --> 01:32:26,494 a decent garden and having a garden that 2595 01:32:26,494 --> 01:32:28,515 makes you feel really proud of your efforts. 2596 01:32:29,135 --> 01:32:32,095 Fish poop is a naturally complete solution that 2597 01:32:32,095 --> 01:32:34,355 fills in the cracks in your fertilizer program 2598 01:32:34,414 --> 01:32:36,890 to ensure you offer your garden a broad 2599 01:32:36,890 --> 01:32:37,869 base of nutrients. 2600 01:32:38,570 --> 01:32:40,750 Not all fish poop is created equally. 2601 01:32:41,289 --> 01:32:44,010 Most products with added fish waste don't reveal 2602 01:32:44,010 --> 01:32:45,789 their sources or lab results. 2603 01:32:46,329 --> 01:32:48,510 Fish poop brand fish poop, however, 2604 01:32:49,015 --> 01:32:51,355 generates their own fish waste as a byproduct 2605 01:32:51,414 --> 01:32:54,375 of their organic aquaponics cannabis farm where they 2606 01:32:54,375 --> 01:32:56,235 raise ornamental koi and tilapia. 2607 01:32:57,015 --> 01:32:59,095 You are even invited to tour their farm 2608 01:32:59,095 --> 01:33:01,175 in person or on their YouTube channel to 2609 01:33:01,175 --> 01:33:02,074 look for yourself. 2610 01:33:02,630 --> 01:33:04,949 This sort of transparency is wildly rare in 2611 01:33:04,949 --> 01:33:06,329 the fertilizer market. 2612 01:33:06,869 --> 01:33:09,750 The folks behind fish poop are also lifelong 2613 01:33:09,750 --> 01:33:12,789 medical cannabis producers who have deep connections in 2614 01:33:12,789 --> 01:33:13,369 the community, 2615 01:33:13,829 --> 01:33:16,550 donate more product than they sell, and support 2616 01:33:16,550 --> 01:33:17,609 cannabis prisoner, 2617 01:33:17,954 --> 01:33:20,135 veteran, and patient collectives and charities. 2618 01:33:20,914 --> 01:33:23,395 To get your bottle of pure fish poop, 2619 01:33:23,395 --> 01:33:25,635 go to fish poop dot com. 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Eric Vlowski and Josh 2660 01:35:09,369 --> 01:35:11,469 Rutherford on solventless extraction. 2661 01:35:11,854 --> 01:35:14,274 And Jeff Lowenfels on the soil food web. 2662 01:35:14,574 --> 01:35:17,054 There are several presentations from doctor Ethan Russo 2663 01:35:17,054 --> 01:35:19,935 on terpenes and the endocannabinoid system too. While 2664 01:35:19,935 --> 01:35:21,614 there, be sure to check out the 3 2665 01:35:21,614 --> 01:35:24,479 10 part shaping fire session series. One with 2666 01:35:24,479 --> 01:35:27,039 Kevin Gaudry, one with doctor Ethan Russo, and 2667 01:35:27,039 --> 01:35:28,100 one with Jeff Lowenfels. 2668 01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:30,640 And even my own presentations on how to 2669 01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:32,960 approach finding your dream job in cannabis and 2670 01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:35,199 why we choose cannabis business even though the 2671 01:35:35,199 --> 01:35:37,359 risks are so high. As of today, there's 2672 01:35:37,359 --> 01:35:39,199 over 200 videos that you can check out 2673 01:35:39,199 --> 01:35:41,175 for free. So go to youtube.comforward/shango 2674 01:35:42,755 --> 01:35:44,194 lows or click on the link in the 2675 01:35:44,194 --> 01:35:44,694 newsletter. 2676 01:35:46,114 --> 01:35:48,435 Welcome back. You are listening to shaping fire. 2677 01:35:48,435 --> 01:35:50,515 I am your host, Shango lows. And my 2678 01:35:50,515 --> 01:35:54,054 guest today is OG greenhouse consultant, Eric Branstad. 2679 01:35:54,710 --> 01:35:56,869 So here's our big finish. During the first 2680 01:35:56,869 --> 01:35:58,630 set, we figured out where we were gonna 2681 01:35:58,630 --> 01:36:00,389 put the greenhouse and how we were gonna 2682 01:36:00,389 --> 01:36:02,949 put the greenhouse. During set 2, we figured 2683 01:36:02,949 --> 01:36:04,630 out how the hell we're gonna deal with 2684 01:36:04,630 --> 01:36:07,029 heat and cold and pests. And here in 2685 01:36:07,029 --> 01:36:08,630 set 3, we're gonna talk a little bit 2686 01:36:08,630 --> 01:36:11,664 about tricking out our greenhouse and proper care. 2687 01:36:12,364 --> 01:36:12,864 So, 2688 01:36:13,244 --> 01:36:15,164 Eric, you know, you've been on this show 2689 01:36:15,164 --> 01:36:16,204 before, and, 2690 01:36:16,604 --> 01:36:18,465 we have talked at length about, 2691 01:36:19,085 --> 01:36:20,784 light deprivation, light dep. 2692 01:36:21,180 --> 01:36:23,420 And, I should probably know the episode number. 2693 01:36:23,420 --> 01:36:25,180 But but for anybody who wants to listen 2694 01:36:25,180 --> 01:36:27,100 to that episode, you can look for it 2695 01:36:27,100 --> 01:36:29,340 on, and I'll put the link on the 2696 01:36:29,340 --> 01:36:31,039 on the page for this episode. 2697 01:36:31,579 --> 01:36:33,659 But why don't you explain just just real 2698 01:36:33,659 --> 01:36:35,864 quick what light dep is for folks who 2699 01:36:35,864 --> 01:36:38,104 are not familiar with it for their home 2700 01:36:38,104 --> 01:36:38,604 greenhouse, 2701 01:36:39,145 --> 01:36:40,744 and they can go to that episode if 2702 01:36:40,744 --> 01:36:41,885 they wanna learn more. 2703 01:36:42,824 --> 01:36:45,085 Yeah. Sure. I mean, cannabis is a photoperiod 2704 01:36:45,385 --> 01:36:45,885 plant, 2705 01:36:46,185 --> 01:36:48,024 and and what we mean by that is 2706 01:36:48,024 --> 01:36:50,649 that it uses these light cycles in order 2707 01:36:50,649 --> 01:36:52,029 to grow or to flower. 2708 01:36:52,409 --> 01:36:54,970 And so most people are familiar with indoor 2709 01:36:54,970 --> 01:36:56,109 growing and the fact 2710 01:36:56,649 --> 01:36:58,810 that 18 hours of light makes the plants 2711 01:36:58,810 --> 01:37:00,109 veg or grow. 2712 01:37:00,729 --> 01:37:02,564 And then when you cut that light back 2713 01:37:02,645 --> 01:37:04,645 to just 12 hours of light, they will 2714 01:37:04,645 --> 01:37:06,104 start to produce the flowers. 2715 01:37:06,645 --> 01:37:09,284 And so, when we wanna do that same 2716 01:37:09,284 --> 01:37:11,844 technique outside, we can't turn on and off 2717 01:37:11,844 --> 01:37:13,385 the sun, but we can 2718 01:37:13,925 --> 01:37:15,784 put a tarp over the greenhouse 2719 01:37:16,180 --> 01:37:16,840 that makes 2720 01:37:17,220 --> 01:37:18,680 it, that puts that 2721 01:37:19,060 --> 01:37:20,439 greenhouse in the dark. 2722 01:37:20,819 --> 01:37:22,520 So basically, we're using, 2723 01:37:23,220 --> 01:37:26,359 a greenhouse with light depth curtains or tarps 2724 01:37:27,060 --> 01:37:28,695 that create that photoperiod. 2725 01:37:29,074 --> 01:37:31,655 So we have full control of when they 2726 01:37:31,715 --> 01:37:33,175 flower and when they veg, 2727 01:37:33,875 --> 01:37:34,854 using the sunlight. 2728 01:37:37,235 --> 01:37:38,755 That is great, dude. You know what I 2729 01:37:38,755 --> 01:37:41,395 just realized? I just looked up while you 2730 01:37:41,395 --> 01:37:43,440 were saying that, the episode that you were 2731 01:37:43,440 --> 01:37:45,060 on talking about lept light 2732 01:37:45,440 --> 01:37:47,440 depth. You and I are recording episode a 2733 01:37:47,440 --> 01:37:47,940 119 2734 01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:48,980 right now. 2735 01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:51,300 We did that episode, episode 13. 2736 01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:54,079 Holy mackerel. That was a bit ago. That's 2737 01:37:54,079 --> 01:37:56,579 awesome. 13. Wow. That was 8 years ago. 2738 01:37:57,199 --> 01:37:57,699 Wow. 2739 01:37:58,085 --> 01:38:00,005 Wow. Well, it's still a good one. It's 2740 01:38:00,005 --> 01:38:02,085 just still a good one. So so, yeah, 2741 01:38:02,085 --> 01:38:03,385 thank you for that definition. 2742 01:38:03,685 --> 01:38:06,344 And, dear listener, if you wanna hear 2743 01:38:06,725 --> 01:38:08,645 a really good hour and a half about 2744 01:38:08,645 --> 01:38:10,324 how to do this in detail, go on 2745 01:38:10,324 --> 01:38:12,185 back to episode 13 2746 01:38:12,885 --> 01:38:15,409 and, listen to Eric and I as youngins. 2747 01:38:17,310 --> 01:38:17,810 Alright. 2748 01:38:19,710 --> 01:38:22,350 So so so that's that's a quick little 2749 01:38:22,350 --> 01:38:24,350 plug for light dep. Because if if if 2750 01:38:24,350 --> 01:38:26,369 you are trying to be self sufficient, 2751 01:38:27,265 --> 01:38:28,324 with your cannabis 2752 01:38:28,784 --> 01:38:30,704 and and you wanna be able to maybe 2753 01:38:30,704 --> 01:38:32,625 get in 2 cycles during your summer, light 2754 01:38:32,625 --> 01:38:34,244 dep is a great way to do it. 2755 01:38:34,385 --> 01:38:36,305 Yep. So that gives light dep a short 2756 01:38:36,305 --> 01:38:38,945 shrift, but that's it. We're moving on. So, 2757 01:38:39,505 --> 01:38:41,610 so, one of the things that I personally 2758 01:38:41,750 --> 01:38:43,350 really enjoyed was, 2759 01:38:43,909 --> 01:38:46,890 adding some Wi Fi environmental, 2760 01:38:50,310 --> 01:38:50,810 gauges 2761 01:38:51,430 --> 01:38:52,890 to the tent outside, 2762 01:38:53,675 --> 01:38:55,675 and it just is close enough to the 2763 01:38:55,675 --> 01:38:57,835 house Wi Fi to pick it up, which 2764 01:38:57,835 --> 01:38:59,195 means that it can then throw it to 2765 01:38:59,195 --> 01:39:01,354 my phone. So I can be anywhere in 2766 01:39:01,354 --> 01:39:02,015 the world 2767 01:39:02,395 --> 01:39:04,414 and know what's going on in my greenhouse, 2768 01:39:05,195 --> 01:39:08,255 because, you know, mostly I grow food here. 2769 01:39:08,640 --> 01:39:09,140 And, 2770 01:39:09,679 --> 01:39:12,640 you know, food and cannabis are all very 2771 01:39:12,640 --> 01:39:15,439 temperature and moisture dependent. And and if I'm 2772 01:39:15,520 --> 01:39:17,359 if I can set my alarms and and 2773 01:39:17,359 --> 01:39:19,359 they can, like, bring me bring me on 2774 01:39:19,359 --> 01:39:19,859 in, 2775 01:39:20,479 --> 01:39:22,399 to, you know, to tell me that I 2776 01:39:22,399 --> 01:39:24,414 need to check on the greenhouse. 2777 01:39:25,595 --> 01:39:28,015 Granted at the at the home grower level, 2778 01:39:28,715 --> 01:39:31,454 outdoors, there's not usually a lot of integration 2779 01:39:31,755 --> 01:39:34,795 of these sorts of products, but, my gosh, 2780 01:39:34,795 --> 01:39:37,650 they're really helpful if you bother to, you 2781 01:39:37,650 --> 01:39:40,070 know, spend a little coin and get them. 2782 01:39:41,489 --> 01:39:43,250 Totally. I mean, it's not out of the 2783 01:39:43,250 --> 01:39:45,170 question, and there's a lot more out there 2784 01:39:45,170 --> 01:39:47,189 than there used to be. I mean, 2785 01:39:48,539 --> 01:39:49,039 there's 2786 01:39:49,685 --> 01:39:52,484 there's little companies that people barely know exist 2787 01:39:52,484 --> 01:39:54,265 that have, you know, some of this technology 2788 01:39:54,484 --> 01:39:57,045 going on. And so getting a couple sensors 2789 01:39:57,045 --> 01:39:58,805 in the greenhouse that can be hooked up 2790 01:39:58,805 --> 01:39:59,545 to your phone 2791 01:40:00,005 --> 01:40:02,404 just to know what's going on sometimes. And, 2792 01:40:02,404 --> 01:40:04,170 you know, the pivotal parts of the year 2793 01:40:04,170 --> 01:40:05,690 might be in the spring and the fall 2794 01:40:05,690 --> 01:40:07,610 when the seasons are starting to change, and 2795 01:40:07,610 --> 01:40:09,449 you really wanna know what's going on so 2796 01:40:09,449 --> 01:40:10,989 that you can prepare, 2797 01:40:12,090 --> 01:40:14,650 to make some changes or prepare to go 2798 01:40:14,650 --> 01:40:17,185 home and do something about this. And so, 2799 01:40:17,185 --> 01:40:19,025 you know, while it's like you were saying, 2800 01:40:19,025 --> 01:40:21,185 it's not a 100% needed and it's not 2801 01:40:21,185 --> 01:40:24,225 gonna always do everything that maybe an automated 2802 01:40:24,225 --> 01:40:26,064 greenhouse is gonna do, it does give you 2803 01:40:26,064 --> 01:40:28,625 an edge. And having that slight edge is 2804 01:40:28,625 --> 01:40:30,945 always, you know, a step forward in the 2805 01:40:30,945 --> 01:40:31,685 right direction 2806 01:40:32,760 --> 01:40:34,840 to be able to, you know, rescue your 2807 01:40:34,840 --> 01:40:37,079 own crop or enhance the quality of that 2808 01:40:37,079 --> 01:40:39,100 crop. You know, the a lot of times, 2809 01:40:39,800 --> 01:40:41,479 with the way the weather is these days, 2810 01:40:41,479 --> 01:40:43,319 things can change pretty quick. And it might 2811 01:40:43,319 --> 01:40:45,000 be where you're away from home and you 2812 01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:46,600 need someone to go back and close it 2813 01:40:46,600 --> 01:40:48,015 up because all of a sudden, it got 2814 01:40:48,015 --> 01:40:49,395 cold. I mean, we've had 2815 01:40:49,695 --> 01:40:51,854 crazy weather where it's sunny one day, and 2816 01:40:51,854 --> 01:40:52,975 the next day, all of a sudden we 2817 01:40:52,975 --> 01:40:55,314 get a snowstorm or something. You know? 2818 01:40:55,854 --> 01:40:58,175 And nobody knows and sees this stuff coming 2819 01:40:58,175 --> 01:40:59,954 even though we look at the weather and, 2820 01:41:00,109 --> 01:41:01,949 you know, the weatherman says it's gonna be 2821 01:41:01,949 --> 01:41:02,449 great. 2822 01:41:02,750 --> 01:41:04,529 They're not always right. And so 2823 01:41:05,069 --> 01:41:06,670 it's really good to be able to notice 2824 01:41:06,670 --> 01:41:08,909 some of these things and and stay ahead 2825 01:41:08,909 --> 01:41:10,210 of the curve a little bit. 2826 01:41:10,590 --> 01:41:12,715 Another thing that can be, you know, cool 2827 01:41:12,715 --> 01:41:14,395 and important to have is that, you know, 2828 01:41:14,395 --> 01:41:16,395 some of these things can be hooked up 2829 01:41:16,395 --> 01:41:19,114 to even a solenoid that turns on and 2830 01:41:19,114 --> 01:41:21,274 off your irrigation. So there might be just 2831 01:41:21,274 --> 01:41:23,135 a simple, hey. I wanna be able 2832 01:41:23,435 --> 01:41:25,194 to turn on and off my water when 2833 01:41:25,194 --> 01:41:27,590 I'm gone from home. And that's not out 2834 01:41:27,590 --> 01:41:28,649 of the question because, 2835 01:41:28,949 --> 01:41:30,789 you know, a lot of the landscaping stuff 2836 01:41:30,789 --> 01:41:32,970 that we use nowadays for our homes, 2837 01:41:33,829 --> 01:41:34,569 can be 2838 01:41:35,189 --> 01:41:37,109 outfitted to do that. And so, you know, 2839 01:41:37,109 --> 01:41:38,569 Rain Bird is a common 2840 01:41:39,189 --> 01:41:41,965 company or term that have all sorts of 2841 01:41:41,965 --> 01:41:42,465 landscaping, 2842 01:41:43,725 --> 01:41:44,944 devices that can 2843 01:41:45,324 --> 01:41:48,125 be remote or, you know, controlled just, you 2844 01:41:48,125 --> 01:41:49,805 know, right at your house type of thing 2845 01:41:49,805 --> 01:41:52,765 with with a couple buttons or, even a 2846 01:41:52,765 --> 01:41:54,739 timer on there that, you know, allows you 2847 01:41:54,739 --> 01:41:56,500 to be able to control when stuff gets 2848 01:41:56,500 --> 01:41:58,500 water or maybe when a fan turns on 2849 01:41:58,500 --> 01:41:59,079 or not. 2850 01:41:59,539 --> 01:42:01,699 You know, simply hooking stuff up to a 2851 01:42:01,699 --> 01:42:03,619 timer because you know when you want something 2852 01:42:03,619 --> 01:42:05,079 to come on or turn off, 2853 01:42:05,460 --> 01:42:07,140 can be an important way to do things. 2854 01:42:07,140 --> 01:42:09,835 But it never hurts to, you know, if 2855 01:42:09,835 --> 01:42:11,914 you can, throw in a little technology in 2856 01:42:11,914 --> 01:42:13,854 there and and see if it helps you. 2857 01:42:14,554 --> 01:42:16,474 I like your point too about, you know, 2858 01:42:16,474 --> 01:42:18,074 you can only need to go into this 2859 01:42:18,074 --> 01:42:19,454 as far as you need to. 2860 01:42:19,994 --> 01:42:21,994 I grow different types of plants. Right? I've 2861 01:42:21,994 --> 01:42:24,289 got my I've got my my food plants, 2862 01:42:24,289 --> 01:42:25,189 which are mostly 2863 01:42:25,649 --> 01:42:26,149 ungreenhoused. 2864 01:42:26,930 --> 01:42:28,949 But the but the ones that are greenhouse, 2865 01:42:29,250 --> 01:42:30,930 I just need something really simple to know 2866 01:42:30,930 --> 01:42:33,329 what the temperature and the humidity is. And 2867 01:42:33,329 --> 01:42:35,489 I've got, like, just a simple, like, little 2868 01:42:35,489 --> 01:42:38,024 govy smart temperature thing. Right? It cost me, 2869 01:42:38,024 --> 01:42:40,425 like, $25. Nothing to it. But, like, but 2870 01:42:40,425 --> 01:42:41,324 with my cannabis, 2871 01:42:41,944 --> 01:42:44,585 I'm I take it very much more serious 2872 01:42:44,585 --> 01:42:46,045 for obvious reasons. Right? 2873 01:42:46,425 --> 01:42:48,744 I I wanna I wanna know, you know, 2874 01:42:48,904 --> 01:42:51,060 I wanna know, you know, heat and humidity 2875 01:42:51,060 --> 01:42:53,539 and vapor and like all this more detailed 2876 01:42:53,539 --> 01:42:55,320 stuff, and I wanna be able to 2877 01:42:55,859 --> 01:42:58,020 look at charts and graphs of it. And 2878 01:42:58,020 --> 01:42:59,560 so for my cannabis, 2879 01:42:59,939 --> 01:43:03,140 greenhouse, well, I I've upload I've upgraded to 2880 01:43:03,140 --> 01:43:05,724 like a pulse system right and so so 2881 01:43:05,724 --> 01:43:08,045 now I've got all the details plus as 2882 01:43:08,045 --> 01:43:09,804 you were saying I haven't gone so far 2883 01:43:09,804 --> 01:43:11,244 as to like connect it to my drip 2884 01:43:11,244 --> 01:43:13,564 irrigation which would be dope but like whenever 2885 01:43:13,564 --> 01:43:15,484 I want to I could like expand my 2886 01:43:15,484 --> 01:43:16,385 pulse meter 2887 01:43:17,404 --> 01:43:20,039 into controlling all of my stuff. You know? 2888 01:43:20,039 --> 01:43:21,560 And and it's great. You can just take 2889 01:43:21,560 --> 01:43:24,679 these steps one at a time from season 2890 01:43:24,679 --> 01:43:26,939 to season depending on what you can afford. 2891 01:43:27,960 --> 01:43:29,880 I agree. Like I said earlier, and you're 2892 01:43:29,880 --> 01:43:31,639 kinda hitting that same nail on the head, 2893 01:43:31,639 --> 01:43:33,719 is that you start out simple and with 2894 01:43:33,719 --> 01:43:36,225 what you can afford and what seems reasonable 2895 01:43:36,284 --> 01:43:38,625 and always have that ability to expand. 2896 01:43:39,164 --> 01:43:40,704 And the expanding can 2897 01:43:41,164 --> 01:43:43,725 be adding another light, adding another fan, or 2898 01:43:43,725 --> 01:43:46,364 adding something to that control system which might 2899 01:43:46,364 --> 01:43:47,345 be, okay, 2900 01:43:47,659 --> 01:43:49,820 I've been reading and collecting all this data. 2901 01:43:49,820 --> 01:43:51,500 Now I'm gonna add something where I can 2902 01:43:51,500 --> 01:43:53,420 turn it on and off myself or something 2903 01:43:53,420 --> 01:43:56,320 like that. So, I mean, there are especially 2904 01:43:56,380 --> 01:43:57,600 with that pulse and, 2905 01:43:58,060 --> 01:44:00,939 a couple other systems, the ability to phase 2906 01:44:00,939 --> 01:44:04,085 this. So phase 1's simple. Phase 2 might 2907 01:44:04,085 --> 01:44:06,244 be, getting you know, once you get your 2908 01:44:06,244 --> 01:44:08,345 feet wet in the growing season, you wanna 2909 01:44:08,484 --> 01:44:10,005 you know, you can take more on. We 2910 01:44:10,005 --> 01:44:10,904 have more bandwidth 2911 01:44:11,604 --> 01:44:13,145 even for stuff. And so, 2912 01:44:14,164 --> 01:44:15,944 I always try to, like I said, recommend 2913 01:44:16,005 --> 01:44:18,319 starting out slow, do what you can within 2914 01:44:18,319 --> 01:44:20,800 your own bandwidth, and then after that season, 2915 01:44:20,800 --> 01:44:22,979 look at what the upgrades might look like. 2916 01:44:23,359 --> 01:44:23,859 Yep. 2917 01:44:24,239 --> 01:44:26,960 Alright. So we were talking about upgrades and 2918 01:44:26,960 --> 01:44:28,659 upgrades of of around tech. 2919 01:44:29,685 --> 01:44:32,244 Let's talk about adding lights to extend the 2920 01:44:32,244 --> 01:44:33,064 growing season. 2921 01:44:33,524 --> 01:44:35,784 Now I think that adding lights to, 2922 01:44:36,405 --> 01:44:38,725 an indoor space is an obvious thing, and 2923 01:44:38,725 --> 01:44:39,864 to to a greenhouse 2924 01:44:40,244 --> 01:44:42,564 is generally a good idea, though I'm not 2925 01:44:42,564 --> 01:44:45,170 a big fan of of, the light pollution 2926 01:44:45,229 --> 01:44:47,550 that comes from people who run their lights 2927 01:44:47,550 --> 01:44:49,470 all night, but, you know, that's a personal 2928 01:44:49,470 --> 01:44:49,970 thing. 2929 01:44:50,989 --> 01:44:51,470 But, 2930 01:44:52,030 --> 01:44:54,430 I have more concern when we're talking about 2931 01:44:54,430 --> 01:44:56,210 these small hobby greenhouses 2932 01:44:56,854 --> 01:44:59,335 of hanging lights in them primarily for two 2933 01:44:59,335 --> 01:45:01,435 reasons. Number 1, lights are heavy, 2934 01:45:01,814 --> 01:45:04,475 and the the internal frames of these greenhouses, 2935 01:45:04,694 --> 01:45:06,635 even the galvanized steel ones, 2936 01:45:06,935 --> 01:45:08,475 they they wiggle. And I'm 2937 01:45:09,175 --> 01:45:11,250 kinda not so sure about that. And then 2938 01:45:11,250 --> 01:45:14,289 second, the lights themselves can generate heat and 2939 01:45:14,289 --> 01:45:14,789 potentially, 2940 01:45:15,970 --> 01:45:18,529 melt the plastic just because, again, we're we're 2941 01:45:18,529 --> 01:45:20,550 not working with a lot of space here. 2942 01:45:21,010 --> 01:45:21,510 So, 2943 01:45:22,289 --> 01:45:24,050 you know, I I I have seen people 2944 01:45:24,050 --> 01:45:25,670 do it. I've seen them do it well. 2945 01:45:26,685 --> 01:45:28,944 It takes their height from, like, 66 2946 01:45:29,244 --> 01:45:32,204 to more like 510, which is light space 2947 01:45:32,204 --> 01:45:34,125 I wouldn't really wanna give up. But what 2948 01:45:34,125 --> 01:45:35,885 are your thoughts on adding lights to to 2949 01:45:35,885 --> 01:45:37,984 a, you know, a greenhouse that's this small? 2950 01:45:38,949 --> 01:45:40,710 Yeah. It can be tricky. All those things 2951 01:45:40,710 --> 01:45:42,489 that you said are definitely noteworthy, 2952 01:45:42,869 --> 01:45:45,189 and each, you know, hobby house is a 2953 01:45:45,189 --> 01:45:47,109 little different. And so you can't just, you 2954 01:45:47,109 --> 01:45:49,189 know I mean, I we can imagine we're 2955 01:45:49,189 --> 01:45:50,869 gonna hang lights and something, and then we 2956 01:45:50,869 --> 01:45:52,390 put it up and we run into some 2957 01:45:52,390 --> 01:45:54,925 of these, you know, one step backwards type 2958 01:45:54,925 --> 01:45:56,284 of thing. Yeah. Yeah. And so, 2959 01:45:57,965 --> 01:45:58,784 I've seen 2960 01:45:59,645 --> 01:46:01,824 where people have taken and 2961 01:46:02,125 --> 01:46:05,265 basically taken a 4 by 4 post and 2962 01:46:05,880 --> 01:46:08,060 augured or put that into the ground 2963 01:46:09,159 --> 01:46:11,399 at at 4 corners or even just one 2964 01:46:11,399 --> 01:46:14,139 at both ends, and they actually run, 2965 01:46:15,479 --> 01:46:17,560 a cable or a pole of some kind, 2966 01:46:17,560 --> 01:46:19,425 and they actually hang the lights from that 2967 01:46:19,425 --> 01:46:21,444 so it's not attached to the greenhouse. 2968 01:46:22,625 --> 01:46:25,264 This came up years ago because when they 2969 01:46:25,264 --> 01:46:25,764 started 2970 01:46:26,224 --> 01:46:28,484 doing Proposition 64 in California 2971 01:46:29,344 --> 01:46:31,364 and rolling out the ordinances for 2972 01:46:31,744 --> 01:46:33,045 how people could grow, 2973 01:46:33,585 --> 01:46:34,484 they were 2974 01:46:34,869 --> 01:46:36,829 kinda weird with the hoop houses. They you 2975 01:46:36,829 --> 01:46:38,810 know, you either were a permitted greenhouse 2976 01:46:39,350 --> 01:46:42,630 and, commercially grown or you know, because in 2977 01:46:42,630 --> 01:46:44,329 ag, you can grow with a nonexempt 2978 01:46:44,710 --> 01:46:47,350 or, you know, a non permitted greenhouse. And 2979 01:46:47,350 --> 01:46:47,850 so, 2980 01:46:48,895 --> 01:46:51,074 cannabis farmers wanted to have that same opportunity, 2981 01:46:51,295 --> 01:46:53,534 but the ordinances were, hey, you gotta have 2982 01:46:53,534 --> 01:46:55,854 a permit or or nothing. And what they 2983 01:46:55,854 --> 01:46:57,375 did is they said, well, if you okay. 2984 01:46:57,375 --> 01:47:00,175 If you wanna have a exempt greenhouse that 2985 01:47:00,175 --> 01:47:01,074 isn't permitted, 2986 01:47:01,420 --> 01:47:03,920 it can't have any electricity or lighting 2987 01:47:04,300 --> 01:47:06,719 fastened to it, fans or any of that. 2988 01:47:06,859 --> 01:47:09,099 So then what people started doing was rigging 2989 01:47:09,099 --> 01:47:11,579 up with, you know, 4 by 4 posts 2990 01:47:11,579 --> 01:47:13,119 and internal framing 2991 01:47:13,864 --> 01:47:15,545 so that they could hang their fans and 2992 01:47:15,545 --> 01:47:17,704 hang their lights, but it wasn't attached to 2993 01:47:17,704 --> 01:47:18,364 the greenhouse. 2994 01:47:18,664 --> 01:47:19,324 Yeah. Yeah. 2995 01:47:19,944 --> 01:47:22,505 To totally outside the spirit of the rules, 2996 01:47:22,505 --> 01:47:26,204 but exactly how we cannabis people interpret rules. 2997 01:47:26,760 --> 01:47:28,760 Exactly. We find a way. We will find 2998 01:47:28,760 --> 01:47:29,340 a way. 2999 01:47:29,719 --> 01:47:31,319 And and, you know, when you go to 3000 01:47:31,319 --> 01:47:33,179 Home Depot these days and so 3001 01:47:33,559 --> 01:47:35,500 when we're talking about lights, you know, 3002 01:47:36,359 --> 01:47:38,359 a deeper dive would be what kinda light, 3003 01:47:38,359 --> 01:47:40,679 what color, what intensity, and all these other 3004 01:47:40,679 --> 01:47:43,114 things. And so the short side of that 3005 01:47:43,114 --> 01:47:44,635 or the easier way to look at it 3006 01:47:44,635 --> 01:47:46,475 might be that, hey, I'm just trying to 3007 01:47:46,475 --> 01:47:48,635 veg my plants a little longer or, hey, 3008 01:47:48,635 --> 01:47:51,275 I'm trying to, you know, flower them sooner 3009 01:47:51,275 --> 01:47:53,715 or whatever the case is. And so, you 3010 01:47:53,715 --> 01:47:55,755 know, you can get away with fairly low 3011 01:47:55,755 --> 01:47:58,039 powered lights in order to keep a plant 3012 01:47:58,260 --> 01:47:59,880 in one stage or another. 3013 01:48:00,260 --> 01:48:02,420 It doesn't necessarily mean that they're gonna grow 3014 01:48:02,420 --> 01:48:04,899 bigger and faster and produce bigger buds, but 3015 01:48:04,899 --> 01:48:07,220 it's definitely gonna help keep the cycle that 3016 01:48:07,220 --> 01:48:08,439 you're intending 3017 01:48:10,885 --> 01:48:12,965 streamlined for a certain amount of time, and 3018 01:48:12,965 --> 01:48:14,645 that's where the lights could come in handy. 3019 01:48:14,645 --> 01:48:15,304 And so 3020 01:48:15,604 --> 01:48:17,364 you might say you know, and and people 3021 01:48:17,364 --> 01:48:19,045 have done this even on the commercial side 3022 01:48:19,045 --> 01:48:21,125 where they go to Home Depot, and they 3023 01:48:21,125 --> 01:48:21,864 sell the 3024 01:48:22,500 --> 01:48:23,000 decorative, 3025 01:48:24,899 --> 01:48:27,460 outdoor patio lights. So it's basically like a 3026 01:48:27,460 --> 01:48:30,020 long extension cord with some light bulbs hanging 3027 01:48:30,020 --> 01:48:32,100 on it, and most people would put that 3028 01:48:32,100 --> 01:48:34,439 in their patio or their backyard for, 3029 01:48:35,140 --> 01:48:37,954 you know, barbecuing and and hanging out and 3030 01:48:37,954 --> 01:48:39,954 making more of an ambiance or whatever. And 3031 01:48:39,954 --> 01:48:42,194 so these same, you know, 40 foot string 3032 01:48:42,194 --> 01:48:43,635 of lights that they have in a box 3033 01:48:43,635 --> 01:48:44,454 at Home Depot 3034 01:48:45,074 --> 01:48:47,574 can be strung up inside these greenhouses, 3035 01:48:48,489 --> 01:48:51,210 maybe even without any framing because they're fairly 3036 01:48:51,210 --> 01:48:53,210 can be lightweight. Now I'm not saying that 3037 01:48:53,210 --> 01:48:55,210 they're light enough for all these frames, but 3038 01:48:55,210 --> 01:48:58,409 they're lighter than hanging an LED or a 3039 01:48:58,409 --> 01:49:00,170 HPS light that you might go get at 3040 01:49:00,170 --> 01:49:01,789 the grocery store. Right. Right. 3041 01:49:03,774 --> 01:49:04,274 Totally. 3042 01:49:05,055 --> 01:49:07,135 And, and also, they're they run a lot 3043 01:49:07,135 --> 01:49:08,194 less hot too. 3044 01:49:08,734 --> 01:49:10,414 Correct. They do run a lot less hot. 3045 01:49:10,414 --> 01:49:12,574 And so something like those string lights can 3046 01:49:12,574 --> 01:49:14,335 be a great way to say, okay. I'm 3047 01:49:14,335 --> 01:49:16,189 gonna bring my plants out whatever time of 3048 01:49:16,189 --> 01:49:18,110 the year, and I wanna encourage this veg 3049 01:49:18,110 --> 01:49:20,189 cycle, and and I don't want them to 3050 01:49:20,189 --> 01:49:22,130 trigger into flowering by accident. 3051 01:49:22,510 --> 01:49:24,750 Or the opposite might be that, you know, 3052 01:49:24,750 --> 01:49:27,090 you want them to trigger into flowering, and 3053 01:49:27,385 --> 01:49:28,125 you're just 3054 01:49:28,824 --> 01:49:31,385 not getting enough sunlight in some cases or 3055 01:49:31,385 --> 01:49:32,845 whatever that case may be. 3056 01:49:33,385 --> 01:49:35,945 This supplemental light is exactly what it is. 3057 01:49:35,945 --> 01:49:38,185 It's supplementing some light in order to keep 3058 01:49:38,185 --> 01:49:38,925 those plants 3059 01:49:39,710 --> 01:49:41,409 in the stage that you're intending, 3060 01:49:42,430 --> 01:49:44,689 without trying to rely on them for ultimately 3061 01:49:44,829 --> 01:49:47,710 all the growth and production that's required. Yeah. 3062 01:49:47,710 --> 01:49:48,449 Right on. 3063 01:49:48,909 --> 01:49:50,590 There's one more topic I wanna, 3064 01:49:51,229 --> 01:49:53,149 mention here. We don't need to discuss it, 3065 01:49:53,149 --> 01:49:55,295 but I just wanna throw this out there 3066 01:49:55,354 --> 01:49:57,675 for the the the one person who needs 3067 01:49:57,675 --> 01:49:58,175 it. 3068 01:49:59,034 --> 01:50:00,814 If you happen to live in a place 3069 01:50:00,875 --> 01:50:03,594 with a very short cultivation season, like where 3070 01:50:03,594 --> 01:50:05,534 I am in Washington state, 3071 01:50:06,314 --> 01:50:09,079 you can also consider something that I learned 3072 01:50:09,140 --> 01:50:10,520 from an OG, 3073 01:50:11,060 --> 01:50:13,960 black market grower in, Port Townsend. 3074 01:50:14,420 --> 01:50:16,579 If you're listening, man, I would love to 3075 01:50:16,579 --> 01:50:17,399 see you again. 3076 01:50:19,395 --> 01:50:21,814 He made raised beds, 3077 01:50:22,755 --> 01:50:26,534 and he put in heaters in the soil 3078 01:50:27,074 --> 01:50:28,755 because one of the problems that we run 3079 01:50:28,755 --> 01:50:31,875 into is that after the evenings start to 3080 01:50:31,875 --> 01:50:35,590 get under 50 degrees, the the containers go 3081 01:50:35,590 --> 01:50:37,670 to sleep. Right? All of your all your 3082 01:50:37,670 --> 01:50:39,130 microbe life falls asleep 3083 01:50:39,510 --> 01:50:42,069 from from the consistent cold, and so that 3084 01:50:42,069 --> 01:50:44,069 tells the roots we're done, and so the 3085 01:50:44,069 --> 01:50:46,090 plants finish up and start to mold. 3086 01:50:46,390 --> 01:50:47,770 But he would keep, 3087 01:50:48,444 --> 01:50:50,364 he he would trick out his tents with 3088 01:50:50,364 --> 01:50:52,685 the lights, and then he would also put 3089 01:50:52,685 --> 01:50:54,064 them in warmed beds. 3090 01:50:54,444 --> 01:50:57,744 And, like, he was growing outdoors and harvesting, 3091 01:50:57,885 --> 01:51:00,284 like, 1st week in January and stuff. And, 3092 01:51:00,284 --> 01:51:02,064 like, in Washington, that's ridiculous. 3093 01:51:02,739 --> 01:51:04,739 He said that he was able to, go 3094 01:51:04,739 --> 01:51:07,699 until the snow started to be too heavy 3095 01:51:07,699 --> 01:51:09,239 on his on his, 3096 01:51:09,780 --> 01:51:11,140 hoop, and then he had to be done. 3097 01:51:11,140 --> 01:51:12,739 So so if you happen to be in 3098 01:51:12,739 --> 01:51:13,720 one of those places 3099 01:51:14,260 --> 01:51:14,760 where, 3100 01:51:15,220 --> 01:51:17,380 the the season is cold and you are 3101 01:51:17,380 --> 01:51:18,039 in containers, 3102 01:51:18,744 --> 01:51:20,045 there's an idea for you. 3103 01:51:20,505 --> 01:51:22,664 A 100%. I was gonna bring that up 3104 01:51:22,664 --> 01:51:24,744 earlier, and I kinda just moved through things 3105 01:51:24,744 --> 01:51:26,985 and forgot. But the the radiant heat is 3106 01:51:26,985 --> 01:51:28,445 really important for production 3107 01:51:29,065 --> 01:51:31,784 going into those colder months or parts of 3108 01:51:31,784 --> 01:51:33,244 the areas of the country. 3109 01:51:34,369 --> 01:51:36,289 Anytime that you have your substrate start to 3110 01:51:36,289 --> 01:51:38,689 go below even 60 degrees, like you're saying, 3111 01:51:38,689 --> 01:51:41,890 everything starts to hibernate and slows down progress. 3112 01:51:41,890 --> 01:51:43,569 And so we want our soil temps to 3113 01:51:43,569 --> 01:51:45,510 be 69 to 70 degrees. 3114 01:51:45,970 --> 01:51:47,970 And so that also means we don't wanna 3115 01:51:47,970 --> 01:51:50,895 use freezing cold water to irrigate with when 3116 01:51:50,895 --> 01:51:52,975 we do go irrigate. Yeah. And so I'm 3117 01:51:52,975 --> 01:51:55,555 not advocating hot water, but I am advocating, 3118 01:51:56,015 --> 01:51:58,494 you know, something that's temperate and not straight 3119 01:51:58,494 --> 01:52:00,414 out of the ground at, you know, 40 3120 01:52:00,414 --> 01:52:02,095 or 50 degrees. So if you can get 3121 01:52:02,095 --> 01:52:02,755 your water 3122 01:52:03,300 --> 01:52:05,140 closer to 70, it doesn't have to be 3123 01:52:05,140 --> 01:52:07,380 hot because hot water will actually start to 3124 01:52:07,380 --> 01:52:08,439 grow bad things 3125 01:52:08,739 --> 01:52:11,380 and cause problems as well. But we wanna 3126 01:52:11,380 --> 01:52:13,300 avoid the freezing cold. And the other thing 3127 01:52:13,300 --> 01:52:15,300 that people have done is they've, you know, 3128 01:52:15,300 --> 01:52:17,539 maybe wrapped their beds or even their grow 3129 01:52:17,539 --> 01:52:19,635 pots in some type of insulation. 3130 01:52:20,574 --> 01:52:21,314 The the 3131 01:52:22,255 --> 01:52:25,135 the most low cost effective might be straw 3132 01:52:25,135 --> 01:52:26,435 mulch even that they 3133 01:52:26,895 --> 01:52:29,135 wrap around them. There's other people you know, 3134 01:52:29,135 --> 01:52:31,635 you're familiar with hash makers. They'll wrap their 3135 01:52:31,854 --> 01:52:33,314 washing machine with that, 3136 01:52:34,050 --> 01:52:37,270 mylar looking bubble wrap stuff that is insulative, 3137 01:52:37,329 --> 01:52:39,250 and it can get wet. It doesn't fall 3138 01:52:39,250 --> 01:52:41,329 apart. You know? And so that kind of 3139 01:52:41,329 --> 01:52:43,649 stuff chopped up and wrapped around your pots 3140 01:52:43,649 --> 01:52:44,550 or your beds 3141 01:52:45,090 --> 01:52:47,329 in conjunction with the idea of adding some 3142 01:52:47,329 --> 01:52:49,645 heat. And so there are some radiant heat 3143 01:52:50,105 --> 01:52:51,965 ideas and companies out there. 3144 01:52:52,585 --> 01:52:54,744 You and I always throw these selfless plugs. 3145 01:52:54,744 --> 01:52:56,664 We're not connected to any of these companies 3146 01:52:56,664 --> 01:52:59,005 usually. Yeah. But we plug them anyway. 3147 01:53:00,420 --> 01:53:02,579 There's a company, I think, in the Midwest 3148 01:53:02,579 --> 01:53:04,119 called Radiant Tech, 3149 01:53:04,659 --> 01:53:07,939 and it's radiant, TEC at the end. Radiant 3150 01:53:07,939 --> 01:53:09,560 Tech has a lot of do it yourself 3151 01:53:10,420 --> 01:53:11,719 supplies for creating 3152 01:53:12,579 --> 01:53:14,119 a radiant heating system. 3153 01:53:14,744 --> 01:53:16,984 And then there's another company that's more commercial, 3154 01:53:16,984 --> 01:53:18,744 but I think they do have some hobby 3155 01:53:18,744 --> 01:53:21,645 kits now, and they're good people called BioTherm 3156 01:53:21,784 --> 01:53:23,404 in California. And BioTherm 3157 01:53:23,944 --> 01:53:27,804 also provides radiant heat systems for commercial greenhouses. 3158 01:53:27,864 --> 01:53:29,550 But, again, I think they have something on 3159 01:53:29,550 --> 01:53:30,609 the hobby side. 3160 01:53:31,149 --> 01:53:32,210 But if you're considering 3161 01:53:32,829 --> 01:53:35,229 extending the seasons, if you're considering growing in 3162 01:53:35,229 --> 01:53:36,829 the winter, or if you're growing in a 3163 01:53:36,829 --> 01:53:38,750 place like where you guys have the short 3164 01:53:38,829 --> 01:53:39,889 really short seasons, 3165 01:53:40,909 --> 01:53:42,670 some of these things can be beneficial, if 3166 01:53:42,670 --> 01:53:44,109 not all of them, at least one of 3167 01:53:44,109 --> 01:53:45,715 them, and the and that would be not 3168 01:53:45,715 --> 01:53:47,654 irrigating with the freezing cold water. 3169 01:53:48,194 --> 01:53:49,635 Don't pull it up from your well and 3170 01:53:49,635 --> 01:53:52,215 put it right on the plants. Yeah. Exactly. 3171 01:53:52,595 --> 01:53:54,595 You're not gonna wanna bathe in that, so 3172 01:53:54,595 --> 01:53:56,994 neither do they. Right on. Alright. So the 3173 01:53:56,994 --> 01:53:58,755 last topic I want us to touch on, 3174 01:53:58,755 --> 01:53:59,100 Eric, 3175 01:53:59,899 --> 01:54:02,079 you have told me so many times 3176 01:54:02,780 --> 01:54:05,340 to make sure that I put to get 3177 01:54:05,420 --> 01:54:06,239 put away 3178 01:54:06,780 --> 01:54:08,880 my greenhouse skin properly 3179 01:54:09,500 --> 01:54:10,000 because 3180 01:54:10,300 --> 01:54:12,354 they are expensive. And if I don't clean 3181 01:54:12,354 --> 01:54:14,194 it before I put it away, it's gonna 3182 01:54:14,194 --> 01:54:16,514 get crappy over the winter. And then I 3183 01:54:16,514 --> 01:54:17,974 did not listen to you, 3184 01:54:18,435 --> 01:54:20,354 and I screwed up all my stuff, and 3185 01:54:20,354 --> 01:54:22,354 so I had to replace the plastics the 3186 01:54:22,354 --> 01:54:23,814 next year. So 3187 01:54:24,899 --> 01:54:26,579 going forward, I now listen to you, and 3188 01:54:26,579 --> 01:54:28,420 I make sure I I wash down the 3189 01:54:28,420 --> 01:54:30,659 greenhouse, let it dry, and fold it up 3190 01:54:30,659 --> 01:54:32,659 before, you know, before the weather gets too 3191 01:54:32,659 --> 01:54:33,159 bad. 3192 01:54:33,539 --> 01:54:35,219 But I I I can imagine that there 3193 01:54:35,219 --> 01:54:38,260 is some, like, general upkeep that should probably 3194 01:54:38,260 --> 01:54:41,055 be done on these greenhouse skins over the 3195 01:54:41,055 --> 01:54:42,335 year. Like, I don't know if there's a 3196 01:54:42,335 --> 01:54:44,034 plastic conditioner or anything, 3197 01:54:44,494 --> 01:54:46,994 and then they should be put away correctly. 3198 01:54:47,055 --> 01:54:49,775 So will you give us your little your 3199 01:54:49,775 --> 01:54:53,375 little best thoughts on taking care of the 3200 01:54:53,375 --> 01:54:55,375 greenhouse and how to properly put it away 3201 01:54:55,375 --> 01:54:56,069 for the season? 3202 01:54:56,869 --> 01:54:59,189 Sure. I mean, the a little soap and 3203 01:54:59,189 --> 01:55:01,670 water goes a long ways. I mean, I 3204 01:55:01,670 --> 01:55:03,590 think if you were to look online of 3205 01:55:03,590 --> 01:55:06,550 somebody like Greenhouse Megastore or Griffin Greenhouse and 3206 01:55:06,550 --> 01:55:09,109 maybe even a company that in Santa Barbara 3207 01:55:09,109 --> 01:55:10,810 called Total Energy Group. 3208 01:55:11,175 --> 01:55:13,015 Total Energy Group sells a lot of, 3209 01:55:13,975 --> 01:55:16,295 whitewash materials so that you can, you know, 3210 01:55:16,295 --> 01:55:16,795 add, 3211 01:55:18,534 --> 01:55:20,534 a lot of greenhouses in the wintertime that 3212 01:55:20,534 --> 01:55:22,774 are commercial that might be glass I'm sorry, 3213 01:55:22,774 --> 01:55:23,595 in the summertime 3214 01:55:24,649 --> 01:55:27,050 that don't have a automated shade cloth or 3215 01:55:27,050 --> 01:55:28,109 something like that, 3216 01:55:28,569 --> 01:55:31,130 will spray a whitewash type of a paint 3217 01:55:31,130 --> 01:55:33,210 on the glass. And so it basically calms 3218 01:55:33,210 --> 01:55:35,689 down the sun's intensity because it takes away 3219 01:55:35,689 --> 01:55:36,829 some of that transparency. 3220 01:55:37,515 --> 01:55:39,354 And then it washes off in the wintertime 3221 01:55:39,354 --> 01:55:40,895 or when it rains. And so 3222 01:55:41,195 --> 01:55:43,675 companies like that might sell a conditioner of 3223 01:55:43,675 --> 01:55:45,675 some kind, but I would say that, you 3224 01:55:45,675 --> 01:55:46,175 know, 3225 01:55:46,555 --> 01:55:49,195 in a lot of areas of cannabis growing, 3226 01:55:49,195 --> 01:55:51,675 I've gone out and seen that, you know, 3227 01:55:51,675 --> 01:55:52,414 there is, 3228 01:55:52,729 --> 01:55:53,429 quite a 3229 01:55:53,729 --> 01:55:54,389 bit of 3230 01:55:55,329 --> 01:55:55,829 particulate 3231 01:55:56,130 --> 01:55:58,689 that settles on these greenhouse frames, whether it's 3232 01:55:58,689 --> 01:56:01,750 dust or environmental stuff, pine needles or whatever. 3233 01:56:01,969 --> 01:56:03,489 It's not out of the question to go 3234 01:56:03,489 --> 01:56:05,170 out there once a week, once a month, 3235 01:56:05,170 --> 01:56:07,090 and just hose the greenhouse down with a 3236 01:56:07,090 --> 01:56:07,590 hose 3237 01:56:07,975 --> 01:56:09,755 so that you get some of that particulate 3238 01:56:09,814 --> 01:56:12,395 off. And then when it comes to wintertime, 3239 01:56:12,534 --> 01:56:14,875 like you were saying, is taking it completely 3240 01:56:15,015 --> 01:56:17,494 off. And it not only protects the skin, 3241 01:56:17,494 --> 01:56:19,114 it protects the frame because, 3242 01:56:19,414 --> 01:56:21,015 as you were saying earlier, if we get 3243 01:56:21,015 --> 01:56:23,340 a tremendous amount of rain, it can build 3244 01:56:23,340 --> 01:56:25,420 up into the greenhouse in these little pockets 3245 01:56:25,420 --> 01:56:26,720 and saggy spots. 3246 01:56:27,180 --> 01:56:29,659 If it snows, that snow load will take 3247 01:56:29,659 --> 01:56:31,820 down the greenhouse frame, and so will the 3248 01:56:31,820 --> 01:56:34,140 rain if it gets enough water trapped on 3249 01:56:34,140 --> 01:56:35,920 top of it in weird places. 3250 01:56:36,274 --> 01:56:38,675 And so by taking the greenhouse cover off, 3251 01:56:38,675 --> 01:56:41,474 we're avoiding the frame collapsing or bending or 3252 01:56:41,474 --> 01:56:43,255 creating any stress on it. 3253 01:56:43,795 --> 01:56:46,194 And then it's also gonna make that cover 3254 01:56:46,194 --> 01:56:48,479 last a lot longer. One of the things 3255 01:56:48,560 --> 01:56:50,479 or mistakes people do is they'll just fold 3256 01:56:50,479 --> 01:56:51,920 it up and stick it in the garage. 3257 01:56:51,920 --> 01:56:53,760 And what ends up happening is, for some 3258 01:56:53,760 --> 01:56:55,619 reason, I don't know what it is, but 3259 01:56:56,159 --> 01:56:59,039 mice just seem to be attracted to plastic 3260 01:56:59,039 --> 01:57:01,554 and weird things like this, and they bore 3261 01:57:01,554 --> 01:57:02,835 a hole in the side of it when 3262 01:57:02,835 --> 01:57:04,274 it's folded up. And then when you go 3263 01:57:04,274 --> 01:57:06,034 unfold it, it's like a piece of Swiss 3264 01:57:06,034 --> 01:57:06,534 cheese. 3265 01:57:07,474 --> 01:57:08,934 And so, you know, 3266 01:57:09,395 --> 01:57:11,474 having that piece of plastic rolled up and 3267 01:57:11,474 --> 01:57:13,494 maybe put into a cardboard box 3268 01:57:14,029 --> 01:57:15,069 simply is enough. 3269 01:57:15,390 --> 01:57:17,469 I've for some reason, the mice don't always 3270 01:57:17,469 --> 01:57:18,850 bore through them. They can, 3271 01:57:19,390 --> 01:57:21,229 but for some reason, they tend to leave 3272 01:57:21,229 --> 01:57:22,050 stuff alone. 3273 01:57:22,590 --> 01:57:24,189 If you can get a black and yellow 3274 01:57:24,189 --> 01:57:26,029 tote and fit it inside of that, that 3275 01:57:26,029 --> 01:57:28,130 might even be a better solution for 3276 01:57:28,485 --> 01:57:30,985 really keeping anything out and bugs 3277 01:57:31,524 --> 01:57:33,545 and and rodents that that way. 3278 01:57:34,005 --> 01:57:36,085 I would never recommend using any kind of 3279 01:57:36,085 --> 01:57:36,585 rodent, 3280 01:57:37,204 --> 01:57:38,265 killer or 3281 01:57:38,645 --> 01:57:40,564 spray or anything because a lot of the 3282 01:57:40,564 --> 01:57:43,139 products or chemicals in those products, 3283 01:57:43,920 --> 01:57:44,819 can be bioaccumulated 3284 01:57:45,359 --> 01:57:47,439 by cannabis and cause a test fail. And 3285 01:57:47,439 --> 01:57:47,939 so, 3286 01:57:48,800 --> 01:57:50,639 trying to keep like I said, soap and 3287 01:57:50,639 --> 01:57:51,139 water, 3288 01:57:51,599 --> 01:57:53,679 letting it dry, folding it up, putting it 3289 01:57:53,679 --> 01:57:55,199 in a box or a black and yellow 3290 01:57:55,199 --> 01:57:56,635 tote of some kind, and stick it in 3291 01:57:56,635 --> 01:57:57,774 the garage maybe, 3292 01:57:58,635 --> 01:57:59,135 somewhere 3293 01:57:59,594 --> 01:58:00,574 up high or 3294 01:58:00,875 --> 01:58:01,375 or, 3295 01:58:02,154 --> 01:58:03,994 easy to keep away from the kids and 3296 01:58:03,994 --> 01:58:05,914 the animals and things like that, and your 3297 01:58:05,914 --> 01:58:08,574 greenhouse cover is gonna last way longer than 3298 01:58:08,635 --> 01:58:10,014 probably even the manufacturer 3299 01:58:10,314 --> 01:58:10,814 specifications 3300 01:58:11,435 --> 01:58:11,935 state. 3301 01:58:13,010 --> 01:58:15,570 Right on. Now that's the kind of experience 3302 01:58:15,570 --> 01:58:17,570 I was looking for. You know, the the 3303 01:58:17,570 --> 01:58:19,329 idea of throwing it in a black and 3304 01:58:19,329 --> 01:58:21,409 yellow tote is so obvious, and I missed 3305 01:58:21,409 --> 01:58:23,729 it. I've actually run into the the the 3306 01:58:23,729 --> 01:58:25,650 rat problems that you've got with them eating 3307 01:58:25,650 --> 01:58:27,945 through it, And so mine are actually 3308 01:58:28,324 --> 01:58:30,985 suspended from rope from the ceiling. 3309 01:58:31,364 --> 01:58:34,085 Okay. And, but I actually like your idea 3310 01:58:34,085 --> 01:58:35,925 of putting it in the black and white 3311 01:58:35,925 --> 01:58:37,065 a lot better because, 3312 01:58:37,445 --> 01:58:39,149 well, it doesn't look as weird. 3313 01:58:40,029 --> 01:58:42,109 But also, it it won't go through all 3314 01:58:42,109 --> 01:58:45,069 the temperature changes as the the the ambient 3315 01:58:45,069 --> 01:58:46,130 air in the garage. 3316 01:58:46,750 --> 01:58:49,310 Mhmm. Yeah. So that's good. So alright. Cool. 3317 01:58:49,310 --> 01:58:51,550 Well, Eric, let's wrap up, man. Thank you 3318 01:58:51,550 --> 01:58:54,350 so much for joining me again on shaping 3319 01:58:54,350 --> 01:58:54,850 fire. 3320 01:58:55,664 --> 01:58:58,784 You know, I have always enjoyed your professionalism 3321 01:58:58,784 --> 01:59:00,244 and your depth of knowledge, 3322 01:59:00,784 --> 01:59:03,185 but I also really enjoy because you're a 3323 01:59:03,185 --> 01:59:05,344 good conversationalist, and you're just fun to hang 3324 01:59:05,344 --> 01:59:07,264 out with. And so I'm I'm glad we 3325 01:59:07,264 --> 01:59:09,104 got an opportunity to hang out for a 3326 01:59:09,104 --> 01:59:11,350 couple hours today with everybody hanging out with 3327 01:59:11,350 --> 01:59:13,109 us so we could just, like, you know, 3328 01:59:13,109 --> 01:59:14,090 chat and hang. 3329 01:59:14,869 --> 01:59:16,710 Yeah. No. It's always good chatting with you, 3330 01:59:16,710 --> 01:59:18,229 and I miss hanging with you. We're gonna 3331 01:59:18,229 --> 01:59:19,430 have to get you out of we're gonna 3332 01:59:19,430 --> 01:59:20,789 have to dust you off and get you 3333 01:59:20,789 --> 01:59:22,310 out here to want something one of these 3334 01:59:22,310 --> 01:59:24,710 days so we can hang out again, but 3335 01:59:24,710 --> 01:59:27,005 it's gotta be the right thing. So when 3336 01:59:27,005 --> 01:59:28,925 that comes up, I'll be calling you. Yeah. 3337 01:59:28,925 --> 01:59:30,845 The the the the man, I I miss 3338 01:59:30,845 --> 01:59:32,765 because it used to be, like, it at 3339 01:59:32,765 --> 01:59:34,524 the very least, you and I saw each 3340 01:59:34,524 --> 01:59:36,845 other at Emerald Cup. And and and, like, 3341 01:59:36,845 --> 01:59:38,524 you know, I don't I don't wanna, diss 3342 01:59:38,524 --> 01:59:40,045 Emerald Cup because I know you're still heavy 3343 01:59:40,045 --> 01:59:42,039 there as a judge, but Emerald Cup has 3344 01:59:42,039 --> 01:59:43,720 changed, you know, and and it just doesn't 3345 01:59:43,720 --> 01:59:45,239 bring all the people that it used to, 3346 01:59:45,239 --> 01:59:47,180 and and I I miss that old family. 3347 01:59:48,119 --> 01:59:49,960 It's changed a lot, and it yeah. I 3348 01:59:49,960 --> 01:59:51,560 miss a lot of that too. It's it's 3349 01:59:51,560 --> 01:59:53,560 definitely not the same, and there's some other 3350 01:59:53,560 --> 01:59:55,720 events out there that are kinda like that. 3351 01:59:55,720 --> 01:59:56,220 But, 3352 01:59:56,944 --> 01:59:59,425 yeah, it's it's all changed, and the events 3353 01:59:59,425 --> 02:00:01,585 are all different. But one of these days, 3354 02:00:01,585 --> 02:00:02,564 something's gonna, 3355 02:00:03,425 --> 02:00:05,024 you know, happen, and we're gonna be like, 3356 02:00:05,024 --> 02:00:07,024 hey. We'll be at that I'll never see 3357 02:00:07,024 --> 02:00:08,902 you there. Yeah. I mean, the wonderland days 3358 02:00:08,902 --> 02:00:09,000 were great too for meeting up. I mean, 3359 02:00:09,000 --> 02:00:11,969 I miss the wonderland. Land days were great 3360 02:00:12,029 --> 02:00:13,630 too for meeting up. I mean, I miss 3361 02:00:13,630 --> 02:00:14,829 the wonderland days and, you know, some of 3362 02:00:14,829 --> 02:00:15,329 those 3363 02:00:15,710 --> 02:00:17,789 spring kickoffs and things that Kevin used to 3364 02:00:17,789 --> 02:00:19,090 throw up there. Yep. 3365 02:00:19,469 --> 02:00:21,310 You know, people just don't wanna travel like 3366 02:00:21,310 --> 02:00:22,625 they used to, especially, 3367 02:00:24,444 --> 02:00:25,824 you know, a lot of the growers. 3368 02:00:26,204 --> 02:00:28,125 I think the most popular event or one 3369 02:00:28,125 --> 02:00:30,524 of the more popular NorCal events nowadays that 3370 02:00:30,524 --> 02:00:32,225 just happen is the ego clash. 3371 02:00:32,765 --> 02:00:34,225 I've never been, but, 3372 02:00:34,979 --> 02:00:36,579 it seems to be, you know, the new 3373 02:00:36,579 --> 02:00:37,639 community event. 3374 02:00:38,340 --> 02:00:40,099 Yeah. I agree. I do think that, 3375 02:00:40,500 --> 02:00:41,699 the these these, 3376 02:00:42,179 --> 02:00:42,679 specialty, 3377 02:00:43,219 --> 02:00:44,119 very small, 3378 02:00:44,500 --> 02:00:45,000 ultra 3379 02:00:45,619 --> 02:00:47,954 high quality events is where it is right 3380 02:00:47,954 --> 02:00:50,034 now. I'd love to see the return of 3381 02:00:50,034 --> 02:00:52,034 a big event, but it would have to 3382 02:00:52,034 --> 02:00:54,835 take a very particular promoter to pull it 3383 02:00:54,835 --> 02:00:57,795 off so that it doesn't get usurped as 3384 02:00:57,795 --> 02:01:01,350 much by the the commodity advertising and turn 3385 02:01:01,350 --> 02:01:03,449 it into what everything else is. But, 3386 02:01:04,069 --> 02:01:06,630 Totally. I would definitely support such an event 3387 02:01:06,630 --> 02:01:07,449 if it happened. 3388 02:01:08,229 --> 02:01:10,310 Right on, man. Well, it's always good catching 3389 02:01:10,310 --> 02:01:11,750 up with you. Good catching up with you, 3390 02:01:11,750 --> 02:01:12,250 man. 3391 02:01:12,869 --> 02:01:14,875 So let's let's plug some of your some 3392 02:01:14,875 --> 02:01:16,954 of your stuff. So my dear listening friend, 3393 02:01:17,354 --> 02:01:18,735 if you are interested 3394 02:01:19,515 --> 02:01:20,255 in hiring, 3395 02:01:21,034 --> 02:01:21,935 Eric Branstad 3396 02:01:22,235 --> 02:01:24,795 to consult for you on your greenhouse, whatever 3397 02:01:24,795 --> 02:01:25,534 its size, 3398 02:01:26,539 --> 02:01:27,980 by all means, you should reach out to 3399 02:01:27,980 --> 02:01:30,060 him because he does that full time all 3400 02:01:30,060 --> 02:01:32,380 over the country, and he's great at it. 3401 02:01:32,380 --> 02:01:32,880 So, 3402 02:01:33,340 --> 02:01:35,659 for that kind of information, you can go 3403 02:01:35,659 --> 02:01:37,280 to his website at 3404 02:01:37,739 --> 02:01:38,239 greenhouse 3405 02:01:39,260 --> 02:01:39,760 advisory 3406 02:01:40,860 --> 02:01:41,360 group 3407 02:01:42,034 --> 02:01:42,534 dotcom. 3408 02:01:42,994 --> 02:01:45,074 And get all that information and reach out 3409 02:01:45,074 --> 02:01:46,454 to Eric through there. 3410 02:01:47,234 --> 02:01:49,494 If you are interested in following 3411 02:01:49,954 --> 02:01:52,295 him on the media socials, 3412 02:01:53,074 --> 02:01:55,520 you've got 2 options. The first one is 3413 02:01:55,579 --> 02:01:59,119 the, the the Instagram for the business, which 3414 02:02:00,219 --> 02:02:00,719 is 3415 02:02:01,819 --> 02:02:02,319 gh_advisorygroupunders 3416 02:02:04,539 --> 02:02:06,380 no. Nope. Nope. Sorry. Let me try that 3417 02:02:06,380 --> 02:02:07,600 again. Gh_advisory_group. 3418 02:02:10,484 --> 02:02:11,864 That's the business Instagram. 3419 02:02:12,404 --> 02:02:14,744 And the one that I would recommend everybody 3420 02:02:14,965 --> 02:02:17,045 follow because it's a good time and Eric 3421 02:02:17,045 --> 02:02:18,404 really kinda like you can get to know 3422 02:02:18,404 --> 02:02:20,324 Eric as a person through it, is his 3423 02:02:20,324 --> 02:02:22,344 personal IG, which is light_ 3424 02:02:24,989 --> 02:02:25,489 dep_greenhouse. 3425 02:02:27,869 --> 02:02:29,789 So those 2 are on IG and then 3426 02:02:29,789 --> 02:02:31,010 his, website. 3427 02:02:31,949 --> 02:02:33,710 You can find more episodes of the Shaping 3428 02:02:33,710 --> 02:02:35,869 Fire podcast and subscribe to the show at 3429 02:02:35,869 --> 02:02:36,369 shapingfire.com 3430 02:02:37,069 --> 02:02:38,689 and wherever you get your podcasts. 3431 02:02:39,135 --> 02:02:40,814 If you enjoyed the show, we'd really appreciate 3432 02:02:40,814 --> 02:02:42,255 it if you would leave a positive review 3433 02:02:42,255 --> 02:02:44,114 of the podcast wherever you download. 3434 02:02:44,574 --> 02:02:46,574 Your review will help others find the show 3435 02:02:46,574 --> 02:02:48,414 so they can enjoy it too. 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