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You are listening to Shapingfire, and I'm your

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host, Shango Los. Welcome to episode 118.

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My guest today is Chris Trump.

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Chris Trump is the world renowned master natural

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farmer certified student of master Cho Han Kyu,

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the creator of Korean natural farming.

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He has also studied microbial analysis under doctor

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Elaine Ingham.

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Many consider Chris' YouTube videos explaining Korean natural

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farming techniques to have been the key to

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KNF's widely increasing popularity in the United States.

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It is especially helpful that Chris is a

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certified KNF educator who actually speaks English.

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Chris has traveled to 10 countries to teach

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and implement these natural farming techniques.

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With a passion for reading and a research

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oriented approach to nature,

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Chris has fostered numerous innovations since he began

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practicing natural farming on a 750

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acre organic macadamia nut farm he managed with

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his father from 2,008 to 2,018.

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He now teaches natural farming for a wide

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range of food crops, livestock and cannabis.

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Chris is dedicated to working with youth and

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farmers in developing nations, equipping communities with a

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holistic approach to natural farming education.

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Currently based in Hawaii, he is involved in

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large scale agricultural consulting in the US and

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conducts international educational initiatives several times a year.

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Through his company, Biomay Solutions,

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Chris Trump educates communities of natural farmers throughout

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the world, offering financial independence,

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sovereignty,

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and hope through natural farming.

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Chris has been a Shaping Fire guest before.

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On episode 35, we discussed the basics of

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Korean natural farming and its sudden rise in

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popularity in the United States.

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And Chris returned for Shaping Fire episode 68

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to discuss using Korean natural farming foliar and

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drench preparations.

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Today, we'll be discussing

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indigenous predatory microorganisms,

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IPMO.

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During the first set, we will review the

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basics of preparing IMO, how to use it,

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and how to upgrade your IMO to become

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an effective pest preventative as IMO.

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During the second set, we dig into the

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supporting science and discuss best practices and common

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failure points when preparing and using

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and we finish the episode looking at how

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IPMO works with your other farming techniques and

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how to scale IPMO for large scale agriculture

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as well as smaller home cultivation.

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While Chris discovered this innovation 10 years ago,

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he says IPMO is still very new simply

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because people haven't heard about it enough to

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encourage widespread adoption.

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He is stoked to be explaining it in

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detail for you today on Shaping Fire.

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After Chris explained IPMO to me, I knew

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I needed to bring you this groundbreaking technique.

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Truly, if adopted widely, IPMO will change the

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reality of farming around the world, including cannabis.

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Welcome back to Shaping Fire, Chris.

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Hey, Shango. Thanks for having me again. It's

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so nice to, like, have you back. You

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know, since since, you know, so much of

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traveling and so many of the conventions are

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gone since,

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you know, since COVID and everything. And I

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I I really miss some of my, like,

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Goodly cannabis friends like you. I miss seeing

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you all sorts all places and being able

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to catch up all the time. So it's

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nice to have some time to, like, have

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a reason to chat.

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Yeah. It's it's great. And,

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I,

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yeah, beyond the podcast, really enjoy connecting with

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you. It's,

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good to know good people. Yeah. Amen, dude.

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So alright. Cool. Well, let's let's dive right

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in. Now, there's gonna be a lot of

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people who are here because they're interested in

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predatory IMO, but they don't really know what

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IMO is.

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And and you and I have already done

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an app a shaping fire episode,

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that, you know, that talks about IMO m

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o and how to do it. And, of

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course, you have got, you know, very popular,

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YouTube videos that explain every single step of

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of collecting IMO and then and then, you

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know, I don't know, up converting it through

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IMO 1234.

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So so, you know, for for people who

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don't know IMO,

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this information is available to them at, yeah,

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your website, biomay dot solutions.

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we need to start out with a quick

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run through of IMO. So as we talk

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about how to adapt IMO,

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as a pesticide as it were,

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we need to give people, like, a thumbnail

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so that we can work with this. So

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I I know that me asking you to

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summarize

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IMO in, you know, just a few paragraphs

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is, like, impossible ask for me. But but,

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yeah, will you do that anyway? Will will

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will you give us a a short introduction

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to IMO indigenous

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microorganisms

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so that we we get everybody on the

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same page, and then we can push forward.

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Yeah. Absolutely.

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IMO

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is,

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in its best form, a snapshot

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of,

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the

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entire community that's existing

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in a wild place. And when I say

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wild place, ideally, this is a,

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multiple generations,

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in in human time,

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undisturbed land. So,

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places that

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didn't get, you know, pushed with a bulldozer

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to make a housing complex and now have

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a nice park with some

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things growing in

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the shrubs.

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A a a genuinely,

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established,

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old ecosystem

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is what we're going for, and a snapshot

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of that balance that's been struck

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over a long period of time between the

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organisms

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that causes the life and the plants to

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thrive

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or maybe the limited life in a desert

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place like Mojave,

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to thrive.

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We go there,

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and we coax onto an auger

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of rice because it is, a great fungal

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food, and,

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many organisms can dwell there.

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And we get a snapshot, a bit of

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the bacteria, yeast, archaea, fungi,

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etcetera.

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Not so much the macro, bigger organisms,

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and we

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put those,

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immediately

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into

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so step 1 is is kind of coaxing

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them onto that auger. Step 2, IMO 2

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would be immediately putting them to borrow a

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sci fi term into cryo freeze.

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we stop their,

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development. We stop their replication

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by, mixing them with brown sugar. The osmotic

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pressure, the dryness of the sugar creates kind

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of a

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salt fish on a long sea voyage scenario

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where things go

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pretty,

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stable

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and,

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and can last for a long time. So

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a farmer can have IMO 2 collections on

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their shelf ready to go to the next

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step

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for 3 plus years without ever having to

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go out and collect again.

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And that's that's, actually a really positive thing

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for a farmer and their workflow.

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IMO 34 are growing it out on substrate,

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is is 3 substrates,

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that that I love right now is, rice

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bran and oats mixed with wood chips,

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for IMO 3. And then IMO 4 is

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that, plus some soil, which brings in some

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macroorganisms.

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That complete,

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material, that IMO 4 is now shelf stable

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really indefinitely

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if it's kept in a dry cool place,

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and that is used as a farmer's

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diverse inoculum,

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key being diverse,

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that they can use to enliven their soil

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and prevent disease and pests.

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Awesome. Thank you, Chris. The only part that

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I wanna expand a little bit is,

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for anybody who's unfamiliar with collecting IMO,

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the idea

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of coaxing

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microbes onto an auger of rice is probably

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a little vague. And I'll tell you, listener,

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that essentially what he's talking about is is

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taking some cooked white rice and putting it

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in a in a in a sterile

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wooden box with an open top and then

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setting it out in nature so that all

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of the things that are, you know, in

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your natural habitat land on the rice and

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can start to colonize the rice,

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thus coaxing these microbes onto a food source.

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Is that a good summary?

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Yeah. Yeah. It's it's,

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the the rice is falling out of the

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bottom onto the ground. So there's a little

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stairway of heaven of food. From that, you

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find, like, a fungally rich area so that

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there's literally a stairway of rice leading up

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into this box of rice, and fungi will

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grow up in a week time. You'll have

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some blooms that actually grow up into it.

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You put some in on top, and and,

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things can fall through the paper towel that

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is the only barrier between your rice and

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the outside world. And, yeah, it is. It's,

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it's the you you,

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clarified that wonderfully. Yeah. Sorry for the tech

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term. Oh, it's all it's all good. You're

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used to speaking with people who are who

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have some familiarity with it, and and I

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just wanna make sure that everybody we bring

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everybody along.

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So so what we're trying to do is

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we're we're trying to capture

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some of the prevalent

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local microbes.

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And then through this process of IMO 1

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and 2, we essentially incubate them to have

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them reproduce.

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So we've we've got this inoculant that we

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can use on our farm or or deck

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patio or even in even indoors in a

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in a indoor growing situation, but they're the

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microbes that are popular

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to your particular locality. So so your IMO

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that that you have on Hawaii,

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is gonna be different than the IMO that

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I have on Vashon Island.

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And and so it's it it very much

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captures the sense of place of the place.

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So Yeah. And and why that why that's

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important, Shango? Just last,

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thought,

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indigenous

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is important because

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when you go through all this effort

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to get these

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microbes from, you know, across town or up

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in the hills,

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around your,

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bioregion or just

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your surrounding area, some healthier place maybe than

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your farm is,

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and you get it established in your farm

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because it likes that barometric pressure, that rainfall,

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that temperature, that soil type,

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that general region,

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it's indigenous to there.

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It will self perpetuate, meaning you could apply

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once

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and 10 years from now find it there

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thriving

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and serving your your crop.

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Whereas when we buy things from a jug

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that was grown in the lab,

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it's it's well known that we have about

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6 months max

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that that will even be found.

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And,

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you know, we can't really move these imos

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around because of the the difference in environment.

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If we took an imo that I made

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here on Vashon Island and I took it

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on vacation

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to my buddy's place in New Mexico, well,

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our our environments

335
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are so different that all my,

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indigenous microbe species were are probably all just

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gonna die at his house and and and

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vice versa. So it's really important for you

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to be able to

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have both, you know, the look in in

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each locality.

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Yeah. And and yours would perform on that

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vacation trip. Yours would perform much like when

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you buy a jug. Yeah. It would have

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some benefit on the short term, but you're

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not going to get that community that now

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works for you, builds on its own, and

348
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becomes actually,

349
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a thriving soil with with very little additional

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input, you know, other than, you know, getting,

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plants to grow in it. Right on. Okay.

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So now now we got everybody on the

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same page. And and if you're, you know,

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if you're already into Korean natural farming and

355
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you already know all this stuff, well, I

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appreciate your patience through this while we got

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everybody along. So so now let's talk about,

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like, the the primary reason

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why we're talking today, Chris, which what is

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is taking this IMO

361
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and and turning it into something that that,

362
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I've been calling predatory IMO.

363
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I've heard you call it a couple different

364
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things since you are the from, as far

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as I'm aware, the inventor of it. Are

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is that the term you're using as predatory

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IMO, or or have you got a different

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phrase that you prefer?

369
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Yeah. We call it IPMO,

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so indigenous

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predatory microorganism.

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I also love

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the acronym kind of plane on the,

374
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I IPM.

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And IMO together. Yeah. In their integrated pest

376
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management.

377
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So so, yeah, it's,

378
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the acronym works for me, but it is.

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It's a,

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entomopathogenic

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fungi. So it's a it's a predatory

382
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or insect eating fungi.

383
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Alright. So so, you know,

384
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mostly in second set. But throughout the show

385
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today, we're gonna talk about

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IPMO

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in detail.

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But but just to give people a good

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context with which to put all of this

390
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information we're about to give them in, will

391
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you just give us a cursory explanation of

392
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of,

393
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explanation

394
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of of,

395
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what IPMO

396
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does?

397
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And then second,

398
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the experience that you had

399
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that made you realize

400
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that the the pests

401
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and IMO

402
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could be brought together for a beneficial solution?

403
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Yeah. Absolutely.

404
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IPMO,

405
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what it does for a farmer,

406
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I'm here in Hawaii at the moment. I

407
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actually,

408
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was out right before this interview placing some

409
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boxes

410
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of IPMO. So,

411
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because I have a client,

412
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that is,

413
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the largest

414
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kind of

415
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Kona coffee

416
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producer here in Hawaii.

417
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And they deal with a coffee borer beetle,

418
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along with several other pests.

419
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And they hired me to help them overcome

420
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some of their pest and some of their

421
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disease problems.

422
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What our IPMO has done,

423
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in the last 6 months, they've only been

424
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running a program here for 6 months.

425
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They are pest free. They're,

426
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cute,

427
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wonderful.

428
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Sorry. I shouldn't say cute. He's a,

429
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elderly man, Colombian,

430
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lifetime kind of coffee,

431
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expert that runs their coffee

432
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is tickled pink. He is so stoked because

433
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when we started, I told him he wouldn't

434
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have to buy all these expensive products he

435
00:16:45,389 --> 00:16:47,970
was buying to try and unsuccessfully

436
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manage his past.

437
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But now with IPMO

438
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application,

439
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they are pest free, and they are,

440
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tickled pink. They are very, very happy clients.

441
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And so when I send them my bill,

442
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they are happy to pay it.

443
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But,

444
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IPMO

445
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is a

446
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fairly low cost,

447
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solution

448
00:17:12,410 --> 00:17:12,910
to,

449
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managing,

450
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several of not all,

451
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Well,

452
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I don't know if not all is actually

453
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accurate because a healthy plant is also pest

454
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resistant.

455
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But,

456
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IPMO

457
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is something that

458
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has the potential to stay established in your

459
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farm

460
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once applied

461
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and give you a

462
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reoccurring,

463
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resistance

464
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to or, buffer against,

465
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really carapace insects or insects that have some

466
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degree of exoskeleton

467
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or chitin in their body,

468
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which is a lot of our pests that

469
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we deal with. Mhmm.

470
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Especially since you're on shaping fire, and we're

471
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primarily talking about cannabis.

472
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Like, that's the vast majority of ours.

473
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Yep. Yep. Yep. Absolutely.

474
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Alright. So,

475
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you've told me,

476
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the cool story about

477
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where the idea originally came to you. So

478
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why why don't you know, I know you've

479
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told the story publicly before, but but why

480
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don't why don't you give it to people

481
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because it's a pretty good story.

482
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Yeah. Absolutely.

483
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So I,

484
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I started natural farming,

485
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because

486
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we needed a better way to farm or

487
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a more profitable way to farm in one

488
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of the most expensive places to farm in

489
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the US, which is big island of Hawaii

490
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or Hawaii in general. And,

491
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our crop is macadamia nuts.

492
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And,

493
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I made

494
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a scaled natural farming,

495
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made a lab for our 750

496
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acre

497
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macadamia nut farm,

498
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and, we were,

499
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years into

500
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the

501
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successful operation of our natural farming, macadamia nuts.

502
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And,

503
00:19:02,539 --> 00:19:04,859
while running our natural farming, I I set

504
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it up, to be by and large run

505
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by 1 person. So all our natural farming

506
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operations

507
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were,

508
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one person kind of operation.

509
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I was doing that, plus I had a

510
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lot of responsibilities,

511
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as a manager.

512
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So I was busy, all that to say.

513
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And,

514
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I came to our,

515
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natural farming lab, and we were almost out

516
00:19:29,575 --> 00:19:30,714
of our IMO,

517
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which we're using to make a liquid IMO,

518
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foliar spray of this indigenous microorganism.

519
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And,

520
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I went to make some more in my

521
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material

522
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that,

523
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the substrate, I take that IMO 2 and

524
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grow it out,

525
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on, you know, £200

526
00:19:54,295 --> 00:19:54,795
of,

527
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fat rich grains,

528
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and wood chips

529
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had weevils in

530
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it. My my feedstock my feedstock had weevils

531
00:20:03,009 --> 00:20:05,349
in it. Weevils are these little tiny beetles,

532
00:20:06,049 --> 00:20:06,549
that

533
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get into grains, and,

534
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they're about the size they're smaller than a

535
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grain of rice.

536
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And I was like, oh, no.

537
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My grain's bad,

538
00:20:16,794 --> 00:20:19,214
you know? And because I'm on an island

539
00:20:19,274 --> 00:20:21,355
with limited access to things, I knew it

540
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was gonna be like 2 weeks before

541
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I was gonna be able to get it

542
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ordered

543
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and get down, you know, an hour away

544
00:20:28,759 --> 00:20:30,599
to pick it up, get back, and make

545
00:20:30,599 --> 00:20:32,920
some. And so that was a that was

546
00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:34,619
gonna be a huge significant,

547
00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,440
cost because that means our spray program was

548
00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,454
gonna be put behind by a couple weeks.

549
00:20:41,015 --> 00:20:41,494
And,

550
00:20:41,974 --> 00:20:44,774
with our acreage and just 1 tea brewer,

551
00:20:44,774 --> 00:20:46,615
500 gallon tea brewer, that was a long

552
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time. So I said, it was I'm I'm

553
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saying all this to say it wasn't totally,

554
00:20:53,099 --> 00:20:55,180
just because I didn't I was being lazy,

555
00:20:55,180 --> 00:20:56,700
but I said, you know what? Whatever. I'm

556
00:20:56,700 --> 00:20:57,579
gonna make it with,

557
00:20:58,299 --> 00:20:59,599
some weevils anyway.

558
00:21:00,220 --> 00:21:00,619
And,

559
00:21:02,539 --> 00:21:04,539
went through the normal process. I have all

560
00:21:04,539 --> 00:21:07,545
these, 12 IMO collections I'm using to put

561
00:21:07,545 --> 00:21:10,585
in there, IMO twos, and, made my IMO

562
00:21:10,585 --> 00:21:12,125
3, and I'm mixing it,

563
00:21:12,904 --> 00:21:15,785
daily, making sure it's going right. And I

564
00:21:15,785 --> 00:21:18,365
saw these, like, bright white puff balls

565
00:21:18,825 --> 00:21:19,325
showing,

566
00:21:20,210 --> 00:21:22,769
on the surface of my IMO 3. I

567
00:21:22,769 --> 00:21:24,869
can still see it in my mind's eye,

568
00:21:25,410 --> 00:21:26,710
because it was really,

569
00:21:27,570 --> 00:21:29,730
striking. I've done this a lot, and this

570
00:21:29,730 --> 00:21:31,269
was a total change.

571
00:21:31,809 --> 00:21:32,210
And,

572
00:21:33,964 --> 00:21:36,605
I look at this because I'm curious by

573
00:21:36,605 --> 00:21:38,205
nature. And in the center of these white

574
00:21:38,205 --> 00:21:39,984
puff balls is one of the weevils.

575
00:21:40,765 --> 00:21:41,265
And,

576
00:21:42,045 --> 00:21:44,845
they're scattered out throughout. So the weevils are

577
00:21:44,845 --> 00:21:46,445
growing white puff balls. And I'm like, wow,

578
00:21:46,445 --> 00:21:48,545
that's really cool, super interesting,

579
00:21:49,429 --> 00:21:50,869
but I don't have time to look into

580
00:21:50,869 --> 00:21:53,349
this right now. So I continued, finished my

581
00:21:53,349 --> 00:21:55,450
IMO, made a liquid IMO,

582
00:21:55,750 --> 00:21:56,150
and,

583
00:21:56,950 --> 00:21:59,669
that process of it going out, 20 acres

584
00:21:59,669 --> 00:22:00,410
at a time

585
00:22:00,789 --> 00:22:01,289
continued.

586
00:22:01,750 --> 00:22:02,250
And

587
00:22:02,794 --> 00:22:05,275
like a good farmer I aspire to be,

588
00:22:05,275 --> 00:22:07,054
I walked through my

589
00:22:07,674 --> 00:22:08,554
20 acre,

590
00:22:08,954 --> 00:22:10,875
plot that had just gotten sprayed the day

591
00:22:10,875 --> 00:22:11,375
before

592
00:22:11,755 --> 00:22:14,315
or 2 days before, whatever it was, and,

593
00:22:15,169 --> 00:22:17,169
just seeing how the trees respond. You know?

594
00:22:17,169 --> 00:22:18,849
It's just something you gotta check up on

595
00:22:18,849 --> 00:22:19,349
periodically.

596
00:22:19,970 --> 00:22:20,470
And,

597
00:22:22,289 --> 00:22:22,789
out

598
00:22:23,730 --> 00:22:24,869
on the trees

599
00:22:25,329 --> 00:22:25,829
in

600
00:22:26,210 --> 00:22:27,109
our orchard,

601
00:22:27,845 --> 00:22:29,924
in the crook of a tree, I saw

602
00:22:29,924 --> 00:22:32,164
a white puffball very similar to what I

603
00:22:32,164 --> 00:22:33,865
had seen in my IMO 3.

604
00:22:35,205 --> 00:22:37,705
What is going on? I look closer,

605
00:22:38,164 --> 00:22:39,365
and it is a,

606
00:22:40,805 --> 00:22:42,025
green stink bug,

607
00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:43,349
a little,

608
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:44,890
beetle creature,

609
00:22:45,349 --> 00:22:48,250
which is one of our primary pests in

610
00:22:48,309 --> 00:22:49,369
macadamia nuts,

611
00:22:49,990 --> 00:22:52,070
something that almost took our farm under years

612
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:52,570
ago.

613
00:22:54,150 --> 00:22:54,970
And I

614
00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:56,970
I was like,

615
00:22:57,974 --> 00:23:00,134
yes, I'm still busy. I don't have time

616
00:23:00,134 --> 00:23:02,714
to, like, look into a curiosity. But now

617
00:23:03,095 --> 00:23:04,075
with the connection

618
00:23:04,535 --> 00:23:07,255
to what was happening there and what I'm

619
00:23:07,255 --> 00:23:09,434
seeing in the orchard, now that it's transferred

620
00:23:09,575 --> 00:23:10,075
here,

621
00:23:10,609 --> 00:23:13,090
I'm like, oh, dang. So I did a

622
00:23:13,090 --> 00:23:13,910
deep dive

623
00:23:14,210 --> 00:23:17,890
of research and pursuit of what is going

624
00:23:17,890 --> 00:23:18,950
on to find,

625
00:23:19,730 --> 00:23:20,230
that

626
00:23:20,930 --> 00:23:23,490
beetles, one of their primary insects of the

627
00:23:23,490 --> 00:23:23,990
whole

628
00:23:25,264 --> 00:23:27,284
kingdom of carapace insects

629
00:23:27,664 --> 00:23:28,565
is fungi.

630
00:23:29,505 --> 00:23:31,444
And so I deduced,

631
00:23:33,424 --> 00:23:36,144
and now we know 10 years later or

632
00:23:36,144 --> 00:23:36,644
more,

633
00:23:37,664 --> 00:23:40,244
deduced accurately that we had

634
00:23:40,690 --> 00:23:41,190
wildcrafted

635
00:23:42,049 --> 00:23:42,549
a

636
00:23:43,170 --> 00:23:43,670
predatory

637
00:23:43,970 --> 00:23:44,470
fungi

638
00:23:45,250 --> 00:23:46,789
and gotten it to

639
00:23:47,890 --> 00:23:48,390
apply

640
00:23:48,930 --> 00:23:51,590
onto our orchard where we were getting now,

641
00:23:52,609 --> 00:23:53,509
this kill.

642
00:23:53,890 --> 00:23:54,369
And,

643
00:23:55,009 --> 00:23:55,509
so

644
00:23:56,774 --> 00:23:58,694
I loved it. But then I was like,

645
00:23:58,694 --> 00:24:00,875
well, I don't actually have to do anything.

646
00:24:01,174 --> 00:24:03,734
It just keeps happening now because I have

647
00:24:03,734 --> 00:24:05,575
a whole box and we're spraying it out.

648
00:24:05,575 --> 00:24:06,875
And so it's like, done.

649
00:24:07,575 --> 00:24:10,490
Our our pest problem is going to decrease,

650
00:24:10,710 --> 00:24:11,190
and,

651
00:24:12,150 --> 00:24:13,850
I just kind of left it,

652
00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:15,130
to,

653
00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:18,170
you know, benefit us passively,

654
00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:19,370
forever.

655
00:24:19,910 --> 00:24:20,650
And then,

656
00:24:21,029 --> 00:24:23,110
I had a friend that needed help. He

657
00:24:23,110 --> 00:24:23,610
had

658
00:24:24,224 --> 00:24:27,424
a locust population descending on their farm in

659
00:24:27,424 --> 00:24:27,924
Zimbabwe,

660
00:24:28,545 --> 00:24:30,384
and he's like, hey. Is there anything natural

661
00:24:30,384 --> 00:24:32,565
farming that will help?

662
00:24:33,184 --> 00:24:36,464
And, I said no. But I did discover

663
00:24:36,464 --> 00:24:37,204
this thing,

664
00:24:38,490 --> 00:24:41,549
a few years ago, and, we've been seeing

665
00:24:41,769 --> 00:24:44,830
great results and, walked him through it.

666
00:24:45,289 --> 00:24:47,450
We did the trials there with it, and

667
00:24:47,450 --> 00:24:49,150
he had a 100% kill.

668
00:24:49,609 --> 00:24:52,650
Well, the farm surrounding him got devastated by

669
00:24:52,650 --> 00:24:53,150
locusts.

670
00:24:53,825 --> 00:24:54,265
And,

671
00:24:54,704 --> 00:24:57,184
he had a full crop, went to all

672
00:24:57,184 --> 00:24:59,184
the way to market. They were doing hemp,

673
00:24:59,184 --> 00:25:01,345
a 100 acres of hemp there. And so

674
00:25:01,345 --> 00:25:03,505
he had he had basically a shield on

675
00:25:03,505 --> 00:25:04,724
his on his crop,

676
00:25:05,424 --> 00:25:08,724
that was basically a minefield for locusts

677
00:25:09,460 --> 00:25:11,240
of, their predator.

678
00:25:11,860 --> 00:25:13,779
It's like filling the filling the tank of

679
00:25:13,779 --> 00:25:15,320
piranhas and, you know,

680
00:25:15,620 --> 00:25:16,259
being the,

681
00:25:17,539 --> 00:25:19,779
you know Literally, I I dare you to

682
00:25:19,779 --> 00:25:22,200
land on my property. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly.

683
00:25:23,460 --> 00:25:25,865
So let so let's break this out just

684
00:25:25,865 --> 00:25:26,684
a little bit,

685
00:25:27,224 --> 00:25:29,085
for people so they can see the application

686
00:25:29,304 --> 00:25:31,325
in Zimbabwe. So they had locusts.

687
00:25:32,184 --> 00:25:34,825
So what your friend in Zimbabwe would have

688
00:25:34,825 --> 00:25:35,325
done

689
00:25:35,704 --> 00:25:37,325
would have been to

690
00:25:37,950 --> 00:25:39,089
make IMO

691
00:25:39,390 --> 00:25:39,890
with

692
00:25:41,390 --> 00:25:42,289
the body

693
00:25:43,069 --> 00:25:45,650
of a couple dead locusts

694
00:25:46,429 --> 00:25:47,409
set upon

695
00:25:47,869 --> 00:25:50,429
the rice in the IMO collection. Is that

696
00:25:50,429 --> 00:25:50,929
accurate?

697
00:25:51,974 --> 00:25:55,335
Yeah. Pretty much. You can cook it, with

698
00:25:55,335 --> 00:25:57,335
the rice inside. So you can get a

699
00:25:57,335 --> 00:25:59,575
handful of those locusts and put it in

700
00:25:59,575 --> 00:26:00,234
the rice.

701
00:26:02,214 --> 00:26:03,494
You can also put,

702
00:26:03,894 --> 00:26:05,095
insects in the,

703
00:26:06,329 --> 00:26:08,669
in the next stage, that IMO 3 stage,

704
00:26:09,289 --> 00:26:11,849
but it is less likely that you're gonna

705
00:26:11,849 --> 00:26:13,289
get what I had happen,

706
00:26:15,690 --> 00:26:17,429
in unless you start with that first step,

707
00:26:17,429 --> 00:26:17,549
that IMO 1. So, yeah, we've kinda we've

708
00:26:17,549 --> 00:26:18,984
kind of juiced it over the step,

709
00:26:19,285 --> 00:26:21,161
that I am a one. So, yeah, we've

710
00:26:21,161 --> 00:26:22,092
kinda we've kind of it over the last,

711
00:26:22,208 --> 00:26:22,984
10 years, and the

712
00:26:23,445 --> 00:26:25,144
best practice has been to, to put

713
00:26:25,445 --> 00:26:26,825
your your past into your

714
00:26:27,285 --> 00:26:27,785
rice

715
00:26:32,170 --> 00:26:34,970
and cook some. I I also put some

716
00:26:34,970 --> 00:26:37,289
uncooked in there, so I'll cook my rice

717
00:26:37,289 --> 00:26:40,009
with some in insects in there, which does

718
00:26:40,009 --> 00:26:42,410
smell a little bit if your insects are

719
00:26:42,410 --> 00:26:42,910
smelly.

720
00:26:43,369 --> 00:26:44,009
And then,

721
00:26:44,410 --> 00:26:46,845
and then I'll also take some uncooked insects

722
00:26:46,924 --> 00:26:49,005
and toss them in as a as a

723
00:26:49,005 --> 00:26:50,924
topping on top before we put them out.

724
00:26:50,924 --> 00:26:54,065
And we're really just, putting the food source

725
00:26:54,444 --> 00:26:56,605
of the guys we're trying to get to,

726
00:26:57,404 --> 00:27:00,210
colonize our rice box. Right on. You're saying

727
00:27:00,210 --> 00:27:02,289
you're saying, you know, hey, you molds that

728
00:27:02,289 --> 00:27:04,950
love to eat the my target pest.

729
00:27:05,329 --> 00:27:07,170
We we've got you we've got some of

730
00:27:07,170 --> 00:27:09,190
your favorite food on top of some,

731
00:27:09,970 --> 00:27:12,210
delicious rice. Why don't you kinda come over

732
00:27:12,210 --> 00:27:14,070
here and colonize this rice,

733
00:27:14,515 --> 00:27:16,994
and you can eat of the pred of

734
00:27:16,994 --> 00:27:19,474
the insect and also of the rice, and

735
00:27:19,474 --> 00:27:21,315
you can make this your house. And then

736
00:27:21,315 --> 00:27:23,315
you're like, yeah. And then and then you,

737
00:27:23,634 --> 00:27:25,015
incubate it from that point.

738
00:27:25,474 --> 00:27:27,315
Yep. Then I then I have it as

739
00:27:27,315 --> 00:27:28,054
an inoculum.

740
00:27:29,234 --> 00:27:32,320
And it isn't guaranteed that where I'm gonna

741
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:33,460
put my rice box,

742
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,559
with this insect in it, that there is

743
00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:38,019
even a predatory

744
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:38,820
fungi

745
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,184
to colonize it. So that's the that's one

746
00:27:42,184 --> 00:27:43,724
of the things to note here.

747
00:27:44,184 --> 00:27:44,904
This is,

748
00:27:45,545 --> 00:27:47,065
ends up being a little bit of a

749
00:27:47,065 --> 00:27:49,865
numbers game where you wanna put out 6

750
00:27:49,865 --> 00:27:51,644
boxes in various locations.

751
00:27:52,664 --> 00:27:53,164
And

752
00:27:53,704 --> 00:27:56,845
what you can do visually is notice

753
00:27:57,559 --> 00:28:00,940
when a carcass or, some carapace insect

754
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:02,220
has a

755
00:28:02,519 --> 00:28:04,440
unique bloom on it, or you can really

756
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,740
see that the fungi is chewing on that

757
00:28:08,039 --> 00:28:10,845
creature. In the collection box? In the collection

758
00:28:10,904 --> 00:28:13,625
box. Yeah. So so, visually, you can kind

759
00:28:13,625 --> 00:28:14,365
of verify.

760
00:28:16,585 --> 00:28:17,644
Right on. So,

761
00:28:18,345 --> 00:28:19,704
I'm I'm sure that,

762
00:28:20,105 --> 00:28:23,404
you know, different cannabis cultivators who are listening

763
00:28:23,950 --> 00:28:26,130
are thinking about this in regards

764
00:28:26,750 --> 00:28:27,970
to their

765
00:28:28,509 --> 00:28:30,830
own local pests right where you are in

766
00:28:30,830 --> 00:28:32,670
the country you know you've got different kinds

767
00:28:32,670 --> 00:28:33,330
of pests

768
00:28:34,029 --> 00:28:35,710
and I know that you do a lot

769
00:28:35,710 --> 00:28:37,490
of you know general agriculture

770
00:28:38,044 --> 00:28:39,964
but you've been helping those of us in

771
00:28:39,964 --> 00:28:41,724
cannabis for years. So,

772
00:28:42,204 --> 00:28:43,825
what are some of

773
00:28:44,125 --> 00:28:44,784
the pests

774
00:28:45,325 --> 00:28:46,144
that you,

775
00:28:47,085 --> 00:28:49,724
you know, know are are good for this

776
00:28:49,724 --> 00:28:51,964
kind of process that that affect the cannabis

777
00:28:51,964 --> 00:28:52,464
plant?

778
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:54,089
Yeah. Well,

779
00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:58,250
I would say maybe

780
00:28:58,710 --> 00:28:59,450
it is

781
00:29:00,149 --> 00:29:02,409
it's best if you can get a,

782
00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:05,589
one of your local pests to put in

783
00:29:05,589 --> 00:29:06,569
the rice box.

784
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:08,089
Also, not

785
00:29:08,744 --> 00:29:09,244
totally

786
00:29:09,785 --> 00:29:10,285
necessary.

787
00:29:10,664 --> 00:29:11,884
So there is,

788
00:29:12,744 --> 00:29:14,444
some challenge for some people

789
00:29:14,904 --> 00:29:17,545
to get a pest. Also, if you have

790
00:29:17,545 --> 00:29:18,045
cannabis,

791
00:29:18,505 --> 00:29:19,484
you don't necessarily

792
00:29:19,865 --> 00:29:22,444
want to produce a ton of a pest

793
00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:23,909
just so you can put it in a

794
00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:25,669
rice box. Yeah. That's a good point too.

795
00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:28,150
Yeah. So one of the things you can

796
00:29:28,150 --> 00:29:30,250
do is just buy insect frass.

797
00:29:31,109 --> 00:29:32,890
Insect frass is a product

798
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:34,490
that gets sold,

799
00:29:34,869 --> 00:29:36,490
as a byproduct from,

800
00:29:37,355 --> 00:29:40,494
insect production. So some place that produces crickets

801
00:29:40,634 --> 00:29:43,434
for your local snakes or or your snake

802
00:29:43,434 --> 00:29:44,575
pets or whatever,

803
00:29:46,075 --> 00:29:46,575
those,

804
00:29:48,475 --> 00:29:51,070
those places will sell their kind of broken

805
00:29:51,450 --> 00:29:54,990
body parts of their of their, prime product,

806
00:29:56,009 --> 00:29:58,109
in a bag. So you can just order

807
00:29:58,250 --> 00:30:00,650
off Amazon a bag of insect trash or

808
00:30:00,650 --> 00:30:01,869
pick it up at your local,

809
00:30:02,535 --> 00:30:03,434
garden store,

810
00:30:03,815 --> 00:30:06,775
that can be a substitute for using your

811
00:30:06,775 --> 00:30:07,275
own,

812
00:30:07,894 --> 00:30:10,394
actual pest. Well, that's interesting. So

813
00:30:10,934 --> 00:30:12,555
are you suggesting that,

814
00:30:13,575 --> 00:30:15,914
care you know, a carapace of an insect,

815
00:30:16,375 --> 00:30:18,720
I'm just assuming that they're all made out

816
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:19,460
of chitin.

817
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,380
And if this is true,

818
00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:24,559
you know, I could use some of my

819
00:30:24,559 --> 00:30:27,779
insect frass from t lab in my imo

820
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:28,900
because

821
00:30:29,359 --> 00:30:31,680
I don't wanna cause a plant to be

822
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,700
covered in, for example, mites

823
00:30:34,295 --> 00:30:35,894
so that I can capture them. So I'm

824
00:30:35,894 --> 00:30:36,875
like, okay. Well,

825
00:30:37,335 --> 00:30:39,815
I might not want to breed mites for

826
00:30:39,815 --> 00:30:41,515
my to make this pesticide,

827
00:30:42,054 --> 00:30:43,115
but if I use,

828
00:30:43,894 --> 00:30:46,214
you know, some kind of other insects frass

829
00:30:46,214 --> 00:30:48,694
that also has a carapace, that it will

830
00:30:48,694 --> 00:30:50,910
cross over to my target mite. Is that

831
00:30:50,910 --> 00:30:51,730
what you're saying?

832
00:30:52,109 --> 00:30:52,609
Absolutely.

833
00:30:52,990 --> 00:30:53,730
Right on.

834
00:30:54,109 --> 00:30:56,029
Yeah. That's that's really convenient. I hadn't thought

835
00:30:56,029 --> 00:30:58,529
about that. I can imagine that actually sourcing

836
00:30:58,670 --> 00:31:00,049
some of the things, especially

837
00:31:00,910 --> 00:31:02,589
insects that are so small that we can't

838
00:31:02,589 --> 00:31:03,650
even see them.

839
00:31:05,765 --> 00:31:07,065
Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

840
00:31:07,684 --> 00:31:08,184
And,

841
00:31:10,005 --> 00:31:12,325
and speaking of insects that are so small,

842
00:31:12,325 --> 00:31:13,384
you can't see them,

843
00:31:13,765 --> 00:31:14,265
and

844
00:31:15,924 --> 00:31:18,184
insects that are big enough to see them.

845
00:31:19,539 --> 00:31:21,880
You can also grab insects,

846
00:31:22,740 --> 00:31:25,140
like, maybe you don't have anything on your

847
00:31:25,140 --> 00:31:26,740
cannabis plant, but,

848
00:31:27,059 --> 00:31:29,220
you're growing some squash outside and there's squash

849
00:31:29,220 --> 00:31:31,454
beetles all over it from, you know, the

850
00:31:31,454 --> 00:31:31,954
summer,

851
00:31:32,335 --> 00:31:34,255
and you could grab a handful of those

852
00:31:34,255 --> 00:31:35,714
and put them on your rice,

853
00:31:36,174 --> 00:31:37,554
and you're off to the races.

854
00:31:37,855 --> 00:31:38,355
So

855
00:31:38,734 --> 00:31:40,894
you don't have to buy insect fast. You

856
00:31:40,894 --> 00:31:42,835
don't have to have your exact pest.

857
00:31:43,375 --> 00:31:44,894
It is more that that,

858
00:31:45,829 --> 00:31:46,890
tasty protein,

859
00:31:47,509 --> 00:31:50,950
that we understand. Now there are things I'm

860
00:31:50,950 --> 00:31:53,670
sure I don't understand about how nature works,

861
00:31:53,670 --> 00:31:54,890
and so using

862
00:31:55,349 --> 00:31:58,309
some of your actual pests could be best

863
00:31:58,309 --> 00:32:01,335
practice. I would strongly encourage, if that's possible,

864
00:32:01,335 --> 00:32:02,775
to do that. Use them if you got

865
00:32:02,775 --> 00:32:04,934
them. Use them if you got them. Right

866
00:32:04,934 --> 00:32:06,154
on. So

867
00:32:07,015 --> 00:32:08,535
so those of us who have who have

868
00:32:08,535 --> 00:32:10,695
followed you and your education and learned from

869
00:32:10,695 --> 00:32:12,154
you for years, like I have,

870
00:32:13,910 --> 00:32:16,789
We know that you are, a student of

871
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:17,849
master Cho,

872
00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:20,549
and you are both educated in and are

873
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:21,690
educator of,

874
00:32:22,150 --> 00:32:23,450
Korean natural farming.

875
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:25,289
Does this process

876
00:32:25,750 --> 00:32:28,890
fit neatly into KNF already,

877
00:32:29,444 --> 00:32:32,024
or is this more like, yeah, the IMO

878
00:32:32,085 --> 00:32:33,704
collection is is KNF,

879
00:32:34,085 --> 00:32:36,085
but as soon as I added the the

880
00:32:36,085 --> 00:32:38,984
pest, we moved on to something else? Or

881
00:32:39,044 --> 00:32:41,125
or is or is this, like, new ground

882
00:32:41,125 --> 00:32:43,970
for KNF that actually fits in that in

883
00:32:43,970 --> 00:32:44,470
that,

884
00:32:45,330 --> 00:32:46,789
educational family easily?

885
00:32:48,049 --> 00:32:51,250
Yeah. Definitely not something I was taught in

886
00:32:51,250 --> 00:32:54,450
Korea, nor is there really precedent for it,

887
00:32:55,089 --> 00:32:56,390
in in that education.

888
00:32:57,009 --> 00:32:57,509
However,

889
00:32:57,809 --> 00:32:58,049
it,

890
00:32:59,125 --> 00:32:59,625
it's

891
00:33:01,684 --> 00:33:02,804
not. I have,

892
00:33:03,204 --> 00:33:06,565
students and friends that learned about this. They

893
00:33:06,565 --> 00:33:07,384
grow cannabis

894
00:33:08,164 --> 00:33:08,644
and,

895
00:33:09,204 --> 00:33:11,384
they love the benefit of IMO

896
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,859
and have for years and learned about IPMO.

897
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,119
And now they just do IPMO too, like

898
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:19,160
or not 2.

899
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:21,900
They just do IMO IPMO

900
00:33:22,359 --> 00:33:22,859
because,

901
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,424
with the insects in it, because they're getting

902
00:33:26,424 --> 00:33:29,305
the benefits still of IMO because there's a

903
00:33:29,305 --> 00:33:30,904
lot of other things that grow in the

904
00:33:30,904 --> 00:33:31,404
rice,

905
00:33:32,345 --> 00:33:33,644
in addition to,

906
00:33:34,265 --> 00:33:37,244
the benefit of of some predatory fungi. So,

907
00:33:38,025 --> 00:33:40,744
a lot of people that have adopted it

908
00:33:40,744 --> 00:33:41,430
are just,

909
00:33:41,910 --> 00:33:43,850
doing the IPMO now because,

910
00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:46,650
they could kind of both. And,

911
00:33:47,910 --> 00:33:48,890
I am,

912
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:52,410
cautious to say that's best practice because,

913
00:33:53,110 --> 00:33:56,195
when you add something like cooked insects into

914
00:33:56,195 --> 00:33:57,734
the rice, it kinda changes,

915
00:33:58,674 --> 00:33:59,734
the the nitrogen

916
00:34:00,195 --> 00:34:02,195
kind of density of the rice. It changes

917
00:34:02,195 --> 00:34:04,674
some things, you know, depending on the insects

918
00:34:04,674 --> 00:34:07,555
you use or or the stinkiness of the

919
00:34:07,555 --> 00:34:10,259
insect frass. Some insect frass is pretty smelly.

920
00:34:10,319 --> 00:34:10,639
Mhmm.

921
00:34:11,519 --> 00:34:12,980
It could really be changing,

922
00:34:14,799 --> 00:34:17,059
some of it. So I wouldn't,

923
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,079
outright say just do IPMO. It's better than

924
00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:20,579
IMO.

925
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,539
But, I do know that that has become

926
00:34:23,735 --> 00:34:26,135
standard operating procedure for a bunch of campus

927
00:34:26,135 --> 00:34:26,635
farms.

928
00:34:27,015 --> 00:34:29,494
Right on. So, before we go to our

929
00:34:29,494 --> 00:34:30,375
first break,

930
00:34:30,695 --> 00:34:32,795
I wanna just confirm with you.

931
00:34:33,335 --> 00:34:35,735
This seems like there there isn't any reason

932
00:34:35,735 --> 00:34:38,295
that we couldn't use this indoor. Right? Like

933
00:34:38,295 --> 00:34:40,720
like, we prefer to be growing outdoors under

934
00:34:40,720 --> 00:34:43,539
the sun and under perfect situations. That's wonderful.

935
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,440
But there's lots of people who don't have

936
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,519
an outdoors, and so they're growing in a

937
00:34:47,519 --> 00:34:50,400
greenhouse or or or home cultivating in a

938
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:50,900
tent.

939
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,140
And is there any reason why

940
00:34:53,945 --> 00:34:55,164
we could not,

941
00:34:55,864 --> 00:34:58,525
cultivate a local IMO for ourselves,

942
00:34:59,625 --> 00:35:02,344
you know, either using, you know, but say,

943
00:35:02,344 --> 00:35:05,144
for example, spider mites are are are often

944
00:35:05,144 --> 00:35:06,605
a big problem in indoor,

945
00:35:07,065 --> 00:35:09,179
and throw those in there and then just

946
00:35:09,260 --> 00:35:11,420
spray it indoors as well. Like, it'd be

947
00:35:11,420 --> 00:35:13,019
great to be outdoors, but we don't have

948
00:35:13,019 --> 00:35:14,859
to. So this is actually a solution for

949
00:35:14,859 --> 00:35:16,400
indoor cultivators too.

950
00:35:16,699 --> 00:35:19,039
Yep. Yeah. Foliar foliar application,

951
00:35:20,460 --> 00:35:20,960
weekly

952
00:35:21,339 --> 00:35:23,519
is kind of the SOP for,

953
00:35:24,565 --> 00:35:27,765
for, yeah, bug free, disease free. And then

954
00:35:27,765 --> 00:35:30,184
people cut that off depending on your

955
00:35:31,125 --> 00:35:32,344
region of,

956
00:35:34,565 --> 00:35:36,724
growth and whether or not you're you're submitting

957
00:35:36,724 --> 00:35:37,465
for testing,

958
00:35:38,005 --> 00:35:39,224
in the legal market.

959
00:35:40,469 --> 00:35:41,130
Some places,

960
00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:42,730
they're, you know,

961
00:35:43,989 --> 00:35:45,929
parts per million of microbes

962
00:35:46,309 --> 00:35:46,630
is,

963
00:35:47,909 --> 00:35:49,909
you know, more strict than others. I know

964
00:35:49,909 --> 00:35:52,570
like Colorado is twice as strict as California.

965
00:35:53,555 --> 00:35:54,055
So

966
00:35:54,515 --> 00:35:55,655
they're they'll stop,

967
00:35:56,195 --> 00:35:57,095
that spray,

968
00:35:58,434 --> 00:36:01,235
right before flower, you know? So they'll, you

969
00:36:01,235 --> 00:36:03,095
know, and then other places,

970
00:36:03,795 --> 00:36:04,934
you know, like Washington,

971
00:36:05,690 --> 00:36:08,349
they don't have quite as strict as Colorado.

972
00:36:08,489 --> 00:36:10,110
They're spraying through flower

973
00:36:10,410 --> 00:36:11,230
with no,

974
00:36:12,090 --> 00:36:14,910
negative results, maybe cutting off right before harvest.

975
00:36:14,970 --> 00:36:16,829
So, yeah, it is definitely,

976
00:36:17,849 --> 00:36:19,470
great for indoor and outdoor.

977
00:36:21,355 --> 00:36:22,655
I actually have

978
00:36:23,114 --> 00:36:23,934
a fun

979
00:36:24,635 --> 00:36:25,135
bit,

980
00:36:26,795 --> 00:36:28,494
as an alternate food source.

981
00:36:28,875 --> 00:36:29,195
Then,

982
00:36:30,394 --> 00:36:30,894
there's

983
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,240
there's this really cool thing that happens in,

984
00:36:36,559 --> 00:36:37,460
in seed,

985
00:36:39,519 --> 00:36:40,019
germination,

986
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:42,019
a germinating

987
00:36:42,559 --> 00:36:43,059
seed,

988
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:44,980
that,

989
00:36:45,519 --> 00:36:47,360
and I don't think I've talked about this

990
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:47,860
much,

991
00:36:49,445 --> 00:36:51,784
publicly. So just for you, Shenga. Nice.

992
00:36:53,204 --> 00:36:53,704
Germinating

993
00:36:54,324 --> 00:36:54,824
seed,

994
00:36:55,925 --> 00:36:56,585
in its

995
00:36:57,045 --> 00:36:58,905
very beginning of its germination,

996
00:37:00,565 --> 00:37:01,065
is,

997
00:37:01,445 --> 00:37:03,750
so like malted grains, if you will.

998
00:37:04,869 --> 00:37:05,690
That that

999
00:37:06,309 --> 00:37:09,849
just beginning of germination produces chitinase protein.

1000
00:37:10,630 --> 00:37:11,130
So

1001
00:37:11,590 --> 00:37:14,070
right when a seed starts, if you have

1002
00:37:14,070 --> 00:37:15,530
it in the ground in nature,

1003
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:17,449
it's producing

1004
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:18,650
a protein

1005
00:37:19,335 --> 00:37:20,715
that is good food

1006
00:37:21,255 --> 00:37:21,755
for

1007
00:37:22,454 --> 00:37:23,755
predatory fungi.

1008
00:37:24,135 --> 00:37:24,635
So

1009
00:37:24,934 --> 00:37:26,855
if a if a seed is,

1010
00:37:27,414 --> 00:37:28,554
new to the block,

1011
00:37:29,255 --> 00:37:31,434
human, we'll just make a human analogy,

1012
00:37:31,839 --> 00:37:34,339
and they're trying to make friends with those

1013
00:37:34,639 --> 00:37:36,339
people that would protect them.

1014
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,000
They would,

1015
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,000
you know, give gifts,

1016
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,039
that their new friends would like. So, you

1017
00:37:45,039 --> 00:37:46,900
know, sending my

1018
00:37:47,424 --> 00:37:48,644
5 year old to,

1019
00:37:49,424 --> 00:37:52,244
kindergarten with a box of Oreos, you know,

1020
00:37:52,304 --> 00:37:55,045
he's gonna be, real popular at lunch,

1021
00:37:55,505 --> 00:37:57,764
time as he shares with new friends.

1022
00:37:58,944 --> 00:38:00,244
In a similar way,

1023
00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:03,619
germinating seeds will put out,

1024
00:38:04,319 --> 00:38:04,819
nutrients

1025
00:38:05,519 --> 00:38:06,659
to invite,

1026
00:38:07,519 --> 00:38:10,579
relationships in their root zone that will be,

1027
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,500
there for their whole lives.

1028
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,819
So if a seed grows in this,

1029
00:38:15,355 --> 00:38:16,255
wild forest,

1030
00:38:16,795 --> 00:38:19,135
as it begins making root relationships

1031
00:38:19,515 --> 00:38:22,015
with fungi, which is how nature works,

1032
00:38:23,675 --> 00:38:24,155
it,

1033
00:38:24,474 --> 00:38:26,894
will then maintain a lot of those relationships

1034
00:38:27,035 --> 00:38:28,875
as it grows into a large tree or

1035
00:38:28,875 --> 00:38:30,735
shrub or whatever seed it is.

1036
00:38:32,030 --> 00:38:34,929
So in the early stages of its development,

1037
00:38:35,309 --> 00:38:37,789
it's putting out this protein that it doesn't

1038
00:38:37,789 --> 00:38:39,170
put out any other time.

1039
00:38:39,630 --> 00:38:40,610
And that protein,

1040
00:38:41,710 --> 00:38:43,394
then becomes kind of a

1041
00:38:43,875 --> 00:38:44,375
invitation

1042
00:38:45,074 --> 00:38:48,114
for a relationship with something that's gonna protect

1043
00:38:48,114 --> 00:38:49,335
it from pests.

1044
00:38:51,155 --> 00:38:53,494
So when I go out into nature

1045
00:38:53,954 --> 00:38:56,375
and look for a good spot to potentially

1046
00:38:56,675 --> 00:38:57,175
find

1047
00:38:57,789 --> 00:38:58,609
these predatory

1048
00:38:59,069 --> 00:38:59,569
fungi,

1049
00:39:00,349 --> 00:39:01,569
I also will,

1050
00:39:02,269 --> 00:39:04,349
if I have the opportunity, look for a

1051
00:39:04,349 --> 00:39:06,690
place where seeds are falling and germinating,

1052
00:39:07,710 --> 00:39:08,210
because

1053
00:39:08,750 --> 00:39:09,730
there will be

1054
00:39:10,045 --> 00:39:13,105
an additional food source for these predatory fungi.

1055
00:39:15,005 --> 00:39:16,784
So like I was just out today,

1056
00:39:17,164 --> 00:39:19,965
placed in an IPMO box and I found

1057
00:39:19,965 --> 00:39:20,625
a spot

1058
00:39:20,925 --> 00:39:22,945
that has Kukui nuts, macadamia

1059
00:39:23,244 --> 00:39:23,744
nuts,

1060
00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:24,730
and,

1061
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:27,750
ironwood trees, which drop these little pine cones

1062
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:28,150
with,

1063
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:31,750
seeds in them. I was seen on the

1064
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:33,769
germinating pine cone seed,

1065
00:39:34,789 --> 00:39:37,369
germinating pine cones, where the seeds are germinating,

1066
00:39:38,244 --> 00:39:41,284
fungi blooming out of the germinating pine cones.

1067
00:39:41,284 --> 00:39:42,744
And so I'm like, oh, cool.

1068
00:39:43,204 --> 00:39:45,844
And I'm placing my boxes here, 1, because

1069
00:39:45,844 --> 00:39:47,684
there's a bunch of fungi around, so I'm

1070
00:39:47,684 --> 00:39:50,264
looking for that normal kind of mycelial

1071
00:39:51,284 --> 00:39:54,369
mat and health. But also, I'm like, in

1072
00:39:54,369 --> 00:39:56,210
addition, I know that there's a ton of

1073
00:39:56,210 --> 00:39:57,429
this chitin protein,

1074
00:39:58,210 --> 00:40:00,130
happening every time one of these seeds starts

1075
00:40:00,130 --> 00:40:02,469
to germinate in the ground. And so,

1076
00:40:03,570 --> 00:40:06,545
yeah, a little bit on, how to find

1077
00:40:06,545 --> 00:40:07,045
also

1078
00:40:07,344 --> 00:40:09,924
if you wanted to grow it out, sorry,

1079
00:40:10,464 --> 00:40:12,944
getting verbose, but, if you wanted to grow

1080
00:40:12,944 --> 00:40:14,724
it out in IMO 3, having

1081
00:40:15,264 --> 00:40:16,405
sprouted grains,

1082
00:40:17,264 --> 00:40:19,840
could be a way to increase the food

1083
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:20,900
source for these,

1084
00:40:22,159 --> 00:40:23,139
predatory fungi.

1085
00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:25,440
Right on. Good. And, you know, it's interesting

1086
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,019
to hear you talk about the locations where

1087
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:29,699
these seeds fall.

1088
00:40:30,695 --> 00:40:33,034
You know, I know that our IMO collection

1089
00:40:33,175 --> 00:40:33,994
is is,

1090
00:40:35,094 --> 00:40:36,054
you know, bio,

1091
00:40:36,934 --> 00:40:39,655
bio mimicking nature. But it's really funny because

1092
00:40:39,655 --> 00:40:42,235
when you describe it, my brain said, oh,

1093
00:40:42,295 --> 00:40:45,255
that's like that's like natural IMO collection. It's

1094
00:40:45,255 --> 00:40:47,380
like like, no, dude. That's just called

1095
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:48,340
nature. You

1096
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:49,220
know?

1097
00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:52,640
Yeah. It is. It is. It is. I

1098
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,880
mean, in its very best, all of all

1099
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,739
of this that we're doing is just

1100
00:40:57,119 --> 00:41:00,045
partnering with what with the strength and the

1101
00:41:00,204 --> 00:41:03,505
the power, really, that is already at play

1102
00:41:03,804 --> 00:41:06,385
for the health of plants in in nature.

1103
00:41:06,444 --> 00:41:06,944
Yeah.

1104
00:41:07,244 --> 00:41:08,204
Alright. So,

1105
00:41:08,605 --> 00:41:10,045
so let's wrap up first,

1106
00:41:10,364 --> 00:41:12,809
set here. So dear listeners, stay with us.

1107
00:41:12,890 --> 00:41:14,890
You know, if if this is of interest

1108
00:41:14,890 --> 00:41:16,269
to you, stick around because,

1109
00:41:16,730 --> 00:41:17,469
I'm totally

1110
00:41:17,849 --> 00:41:19,869
interrogate Chris in second set

1111
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Welcome back. You are listening to Shaping Fire.

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I am your host, Shango Lohse. And my

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00:47:32,555 --> 00:47:35,614
guest today is natural farming innovator, Chris Trump.

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00:47:35,994 --> 00:47:37,755
So before the break, we talked a lot

1270
00:47:37,755 --> 00:47:40,255
about generally what IPMO

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is

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and, where it came from, where Chris originally

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got the idea, and then a little bit

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00:47:45,889 --> 00:47:47,110
of how to,

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00:47:47,489 --> 00:47:49,969
adapt your IMO collection for it and and

1276
00:47:49,969 --> 00:47:51,489
a little bit how to use it. So

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00:47:51,489 --> 00:47:53,474
if you're still here, it means that you

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00:47:53,555 --> 00:47:55,795
actually care about this and and welcome, and

1279
00:47:55,795 --> 00:47:58,035
we are about to get real specific with

1280
00:47:58,035 --> 00:47:58,775
our questions.

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So,

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00:48:00,275 --> 00:48:01,795
so, Chris, let's start with this.

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00:48:02,914 --> 00:48:03,655
You know,

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00:48:05,075 --> 00:48:06,215
does the inclusion

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00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:08,460
of pest

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00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:09,420
carapaces,

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00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:11,260
so their outside shell,

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00:48:12,119 --> 00:48:13,500
influence the microbial

1289
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,940
diversity in IMO compared to traditional

1290
00:48:17,559 --> 00:48:18,059
methods?

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00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,200
You talked a little bit about this in

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00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:21,260
the first set

1293
00:48:21,644 --> 00:48:22,045
that,

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00:48:22,445 --> 00:48:23,985
perhaps you would recommend,

1295
00:48:25,005 --> 00:48:25,905
doing traditional

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00:48:26,284 --> 00:48:26,784
IMO

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00:48:27,565 --> 00:48:28,065
alongside

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00:48:29,164 --> 00:48:29,664
IPMO

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00:48:30,684 --> 00:48:33,085
because if you're going to if you're gonna

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00:48:33,085 --> 00:48:35,265
do the version of IPMO where you cook

1301
00:48:35,565 --> 00:48:38,920
the pest with the rice, you're really changing

1302
00:48:38,980 --> 00:48:41,699
the rice. It's not like neutral rice that

1303
00:48:41,699 --> 00:48:43,859
will take all comers. So you're not gonna

1304
00:48:43,859 --> 00:48:45,480
get a really great snapshot

1305
00:48:46,500 --> 00:48:49,460
of the natural world around you because because

1306
00:48:49,460 --> 00:48:50,359
you've influenced

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00:48:51,059 --> 00:48:51,704
the rice.

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00:48:52,025 --> 00:48:52,525
Whereas

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00:48:52,825 --> 00:48:55,325
if you do the version where you just

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00:48:55,385 --> 00:48:55,885
put

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00:48:56,425 --> 00:48:57,965
the target pest

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00:48:58,585 --> 00:48:59,085
on

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00:48:59,385 --> 00:49:00,125
the rice

1314
00:49:00,505 --> 00:49:02,125
when you lay out the box,

1315
00:49:03,144 --> 00:49:04,829
you've got most of the rice

1316
00:49:05,150 --> 00:49:07,010
which is just neutral rice,

1317
00:49:07,550 --> 00:49:10,430
and and you're going to collect all comers

1318
00:49:10,430 --> 00:49:12,930
on the rice, but then you're gonna target

1319
00:49:13,150 --> 00:49:14,910
the molds that are gonna be on the

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00:49:14,910 --> 00:49:17,489
carapace, if I if I understood you correctly.

1321
00:49:18,510 --> 00:49:21,364
Like like like, how how do you think

1322
00:49:21,905 --> 00:49:24,805
the the IMO might be influenced

1323
00:49:25,184 --> 00:49:27,684
if you only did the IPMO?

1324
00:49:28,704 --> 00:49:31,204
Yeah. This is a really, really good question.

1325
00:49:32,550 --> 00:49:33,210
I think,

1326
00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:34,969
one of the things to say,

1327
00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:38,789
and help me stay on track, but before

1328
00:49:38,789 --> 00:49:40,090
I even answer that,

1329
00:49:40,550 --> 00:49:41,769
is how important,

1330
00:49:43,190 --> 00:49:45,530
some of the details of IMO are.

1331
00:49:46,545 --> 00:49:48,964
There are lots of ways to compost.

1332
00:49:49,344 --> 00:49:49,844
There

1333
00:49:50,304 --> 00:49:52,304
are lots of cool things we can do

1334
00:49:52,304 --> 00:49:54,405
with microbial life in,

1335
00:49:55,585 --> 00:49:56,964
you know, in farming.

1336
00:49:58,144 --> 00:49:59,844
But IMO is

1337
00:50:00,144 --> 00:50:01,525
a fairly nuanced.

1338
00:50:02,660 --> 00:50:04,440
Think of it as a very boutique.

1339
00:50:05,140 --> 00:50:05,800
You know,

1340
00:50:06,420 --> 00:50:08,519
the difference between Jose Cuervo

1341
00:50:08,820 --> 00:50:09,320
and,

1342
00:50:10,260 --> 00:50:12,039
absolute top shelf tequila,

1343
00:50:12,579 --> 00:50:13,079
like,

1344
00:50:13,940 --> 00:50:15,000
all of the ingredients,

1345
00:50:15,300 --> 00:50:18,484
you know, are similar. You know? The process

1346
00:50:18,625 --> 00:50:19,364
is similar,

1347
00:50:20,304 --> 00:50:22,964
but one will be painful,

1348
00:50:23,824 --> 00:50:25,264
when you wake up in the morning, and

1349
00:50:25,264 --> 00:50:28,304
the other will be smooth and might even,

1350
00:50:28,704 --> 00:50:30,644
you know, nourish your body.

1351
00:50:32,659 --> 00:50:33,960
The the difference between,

1352
00:50:35,859 --> 00:50:38,359
you know, IMO and something

1353
00:50:38,819 --> 00:50:40,519
where you've changed details,

1354
00:50:42,819 --> 00:50:43,319
is

1355
00:50:43,835 --> 00:50:44,894
much more impactful

1356
00:50:45,355 --> 00:50:47,775
than, the example I gave there with tequila.

1357
00:50:47,914 --> 00:50:48,414
Mhmm.

1358
00:50:48,795 --> 00:50:49,295
The,

1359
00:50:51,275 --> 00:50:53,214
the details matter in IMO.

1360
00:50:53,514 --> 00:50:53,835
The,

1361
00:50:54,795 --> 00:50:57,614
the difference between producing a bunch of bacteria

1362
00:50:58,340 --> 00:50:58,840
and,

1363
00:50:59,380 --> 00:51:02,579
really giving the opportunity for fungi to grow

1364
00:51:02,579 --> 00:51:03,880
out in a,

1365
00:51:05,780 --> 00:51:06,920
feedstock or

1366
00:51:07,300 --> 00:51:07,800
substrate,

1367
00:51:08,820 --> 00:51:09,320
is,

1368
00:51:10,420 --> 00:51:12,340
is just a little bit of difference. You

1369
00:51:12,340 --> 00:51:14,315
know? How much water you use,

1370
00:51:15,335 --> 00:51:18,234
you know, your, how much carbon, etcetera. So,

1371
00:51:19,015 --> 00:51:20,074
you know,

1372
00:51:20,534 --> 00:51:22,795
now going to adding this other,

1373
00:51:24,775 --> 00:51:25,514
Type of,

1374
00:51:26,380 --> 00:51:26,880
feedstock

1375
00:51:27,179 --> 00:51:28,960
into that first step,

1376
00:51:29,820 --> 00:51:32,619
really can have an effect. Now we wanna

1377
00:51:32,619 --> 00:51:35,579
do it because we found we can produce

1378
00:51:35,579 --> 00:51:37,039
a predatory fungi

1379
00:51:37,500 --> 00:51:40,364
and, have effect on our farm, which

1380
00:51:40,844 --> 00:51:43,005
affects our bottom line, gives us a healthier

1381
00:51:43,005 --> 00:51:43,505
crop.

1382
00:51:45,405 --> 00:51:47,885
So definitely we're here talking about it because

1383
00:51:47,885 --> 00:51:48,545
it's good.

1384
00:51:49,804 --> 00:51:52,545
And if I were to give you maybe

1385
00:51:52,969 --> 00:51:55,210
what I think could be a way that

1386
00:51:55,210 --> 00:51:57,849
you could, because here here's the thing. Yes,

1387
00:51:57,849 --> 00:51:59,289
we can say you have to do it

1388
00:51:59,289 --> 00:52:02,510
just like this, but natural farming, I'm constantly

1389
00:52:02,650 --> 00:52:04,269
faced with a balance between

1390
00:52:04,969 --> 00:52:06,909
quality of what we're producing

1391
00:52:07,289 --> 00:52:10,105
and the efficiency or, or the time in

1392
00:52:10,105 --> 00:52:12,105
a farmer's life, you know, and, and,

1393
00:52:12,905 --> 00:52:13,724
these are,

1394
00:52:14,345 --> 00:52:16,905
those are important things on two sides of

1395
00:52:16,905 --> 00:52:17,565
a scale.

1396
00:52:18,425 --> 00:52:18,985
You know,

1397
00:52:19,865 --> 00:52:21,005
and so I'm,

1398
00:52:22,345 --> 00:52:23,164
of the opinion

1399
00:52:24,570 --> 00:52:27,309
that one of the most efficient and effective

1400
00:52:28,010 --> 00:52:29,309
ways to do

1401
00:52:29,610 --> 00:52:30,510
good IMO

1402
00:52:30,890 --> 00:52:32,430
and still do IPMO

1403
00:52:33,130 --> 00:52:33,610
is,

1404
00:52:33,930 --> 00:52:36,110
to produce your IPMO

1405
00:52:37,155 --> 00:52:39,554
second stage. So you put out your rice

1406
00:52:39,554 --> 00:52:41,494
with your insect carapace in it

1407
00:52:41,795 --> 00:52:44,695
and you put it in cryo freeze,

1408
00:52:47,074 --> 00:52:49,175
theoretically or I mean, metaphorically,

1409
00:52:50,409 --> 00:52:53,050
with the sugar. And now it's inoculum on

1410
00:52:53,050 --> 00:52:53,789
your shelf.

1411
00:52:54,170 --> 00:52:57,869
When you make IMO 3, that next stage,

1412
00:52:58,409 --> 00:53:00,269
you can use some of that IPMO

1413
00:53:00,809 --> 00:53:03,230
as long as well as some regular

1414
00:53:03,530 --> 00:53:04,664
IMO 2

1415
00:53:04,985 --> 00:53:07,545
rice and grow that all out together. Mhmm.

1416
00:53:08,344 --> 00:53:10,525
I kind of hinted at a a feedstock,

1417
00:53:11,785 --> 00:53:14,364
being in your IMO 3 for,

1418
00:53:15,625 --> 00:53:17,545
IPMO to grow out on. And I think

1419
00:53:17,545 --> 00:53:18,684
that that is also,

1420
00:53:19,389 --> 00:53:21,550
a good option. Having a little bit of

1421
00:53:21,550 --> 00:53:22,610
sprouted grains

1422
00:53:23,070 --> 00:53:26,030
or, some insect carapace in your IMO 3

1423
00:53:26,030 --> 00:53:27,489
can be a great thing too.

1424
00:53:28,110 --> 00:53:30,849
Yes. Can totally change it, short answer.

1425
00:53:31,309 --> 00:53:31,630
But,

1426
00:53:32,670 --> 00:53:34,769
not too worried about that being,

1427
00:53:35,675 --> 00:53:36,175
bad,

1428
00:53:36,875 --> 00:53:38,815
as long as you have some

1429
00:53:39,355 --> 00:53:41,054
regular IMO 2,

1430
00:53:41,675 --> 00:53:43,994
going into your IMO 3. You know, like

1431
00:53:43,994 --> 00:53:46,255
a lot of hobbies, say, for example, baking,

1432
00:53:46,554 --> 00:53:49,139
you know, it's really important to follow the

1433
00:53:49,139 --> 00:53:50,679
rules very specifically

1434
00:53:50,980 --> 00:53:53,219
until you don't need to follow the the

1435
00:53:53,219 --> 00:53:54,359
the recipe anymore.

1436
00:53:55,219 --> 00:53:57,300
You know Right on the nose. Yeah. I

1437
00:53:57,300 --> 00:54:00,405
agree. I'm very ADHD, man, and I, I'm

1438
00:54:00,405 --> 00:54:02,485
a fantastic cook, but I'm an I'm an

1439
00:54:02,485 --> 00:54:03,704
I'm an awful baker

1440
00:54:04,005 --> 00:54:07,144
because you're supposed to follow the directions directly.

1441
00:54:07,605 --> 00:54:09,445
And and I'm and that is not my

1442
00:54:09,445 --> 00:54:10,265
strong point.

1443
00:54:10,724 --> 00:54:12,565
And I ran into the same thing with

1444
00:54:12,565 --> 00:54:15,079
IMO. The first two times I made it,

1445
00:54:15,140 --> 00:54:17,380
you know, I cut corners. I I tried

1446
00:54:17,380 --> 00:54:20,500
to improve on your teaching myself, you know,

1447
00:54:20,500 --> 00:54:21,720
doing it the first time.

1448
00:54:22,099 --> 00:54:24,740
And, I got I got garbage twice. And

1449
00:54:24,740 --> 00:54:26,715
then I realized, you know what? Let's just

1450
00:54:26,715 --> 00:54:28,795
do it the way Chris says the first

1451
00:54:28,795 --> 00:54:29,295
time.

1452
00:54:29,675 --> 00:54:31,114
And and I and I and so I

1453
00:54:31,114 --> 00:54:32,875
I I did it, and I struggled, and

1454
00:54:32,875 --> 00:54:34,555
I did it without making any changes, and

1455
00:54:34,555 --> 00:54:36,494
the damn thing worked beautifully. Right?

1456
00:54:36,875 --> 00:54:38,015
And and so,

1457
00:54:38,394 --> 00:54:40,175
I think it's the same kind of thing

1458
00:54:40,474 --> 00:54:43,059
with this. Like if if somebody is is

1459
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,219
wasn't very interested in imo

1460
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,000
before but now that it's a now that

1461
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,739
it's a very healthy pesticide if you will

1462
00:54:51,039 --> 00:54:52,400
now they want to do it

1463
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:54,579
I think it brings us back to

1464
00:54:56,025 --> 00:54:56,525
make

1465
00:54:57,385 --> 00:54:58,204
your IPMO

1466
00:54:59,704 --> 00:55:00,605
as intended

1467
00:55:00,984 --> 00:55:02,844
following the IMO recipe

1468
00:55:03,144 --> 00:55:05,944
and adding the predatory in or added added

1469
00:55:05,944 --> 00:55:07,244
at our target insect

1470
00:55:08,289 --> 00:55:11,349
all following the directions the first time.

1471
00:55:11,730 --> 00:55:13,889
And then as you get familiar with it,

1472
00:55:13,889 --> 00:55:15,809
you'll have more fidelity with it. And, you

1473
00:55:15,809 --> 00:55:18,130
know, just like a baker, you know, eventually,

1474
00:55:18,130 --> 00:55:20,289
you can bake stuff without even measuring stuff.

1475
00:55:20,289 --> 00:55:22,664
Right? Because you just know it that well.

1476
00:55:22,905 --> 00:55:25,304
Well, you know, I just recommend that people

1477
00:55:25,304 --> 00:55:25,804
start

1478
00:55:26,265 --> 00:55:28,684
by actually following the IMO protocol

1479
00:55:29,465 --> 00:55:31,945
specifically because there's so many ways that seem

1480
00:55:31,945 --> 00:55:34,425
minor that you can totally screw up. And

1481
00:55:34,425 --> 00:55:36,025
most of the stuff that we're working with,

1482
00:55:36,025 --> 00:55:38,045
we can't visibly see because

1483
00:55:38,529 --> 00:55:40,469
they're microbes and molds and stuff.

1484
00:55:41,170 --> 00:55:41,670
Yeah.

1485
00:55:41,969 --> 00:55:44,849
I I love that whole commentary, Shango. I

1486
00:55:44,849 --> 00:55:47,349
think you're you're dead on. And the,

1487
00:55:48,690 --> 00:55:51,190
yeah, I can't I can't stress enough. Like,

1488
00:55:52,275 --> 00:55:53,414
don't change anything

1489
00:55:53,795 --> 00:55:54,454
at all.

1490
00:55:55,954 --> 00:55:58,214
And the re I'm I'm

1491
00:55:58,755 --> 00:55:59,255
definitely,

1492
00:56:00,514 --> 00:56:01,014
particular

1493
00:56:01,315 --> 00:56:01,795
in,

1494
00:56:02,355 --> 00:56:04,835
in a lot of things. I also love

1495
00:56:04,835 --> 00:56:07,269
to cook. And if I'm gonna bake something,

1496
00:56:07,889 --> 00:56:09,650
I know. Like, I wanted to learn how

1497
00:56:09,650 --> 00:56:10,469
to cook meringues.

1498
00:56:11,090 --> 00:56:12,789
And I took time,

1499
00:56:13,409 --> 00:56:13,909
like,

1500
00:56:14,289 --> 00:56:16,929
studied the recipe, played with the, you know,

1501
00:56:16,929 --> 00:56:20,184
the details people put in the, and, and

1502
00:56:20,184 --> 00:56:22,224
I got to be great at cooking meringues.

1503
00:56:22,224 --> 00:56:24,425
A little bit gooey in the middle. But

1504
00:56:24,425 --> 00:56:26,764
if you change anything in the recipe,

1505
00:56:27,304 --> 00:56:28,444
including like

1506
00:56:28,744 --> 00:56:30,045
a dirty spoon,

1507
00:56:30,344 --> 00:56:33,400
you know, meringues won't won't work. And so

1508
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,820
I I, I think I love that analogy.

1509
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:38,460
I also

1510
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:39,980
just a little,

1511
00:56:42,199 --> 00:56:44,780
detail, if I could, make a request.

1512
00:56:45,675 --> 00:56:46,335
That is,

1513
00:56:47,035 --> 00:56:48,894
we don't ever call

1514
00:56:49,195 --> 00:56:49,695
IPMO

1515
00:56:50,315 --> 00:56:51,055
a pesticide

1516
00:56:52,715 --> 00:56:53,775
because it isn't.

1517
00:56:54,795 --> 00:56:57,055
Really, it is a reenlivening

1518
00:56:58,394 --> 00:56:59,934
of your environment

1519
00:57:00,829 --> 00:57:03,329
to, the semblance of nature.

1520
00:57:03,869 --> 00:57:04,349
And,

1521
00:57:04,829 --> 00:57:05,809
we are

1522
00:57:06,429 --> 00:57:06,929
actually,

1523
00:57:08,429 --> 00:57:11,389
cultivating life. We're not trying to kill anything.

1524
00:57:11,389 --> 00:57:14,269
We're cultivating life in such a way that

1525
00:57:14,269 --> 00:57:15,824
we actually have the natural balance and

1526
00:57:17,505 --> 00:57:18,005
forest.

1527
00:57:19,105 --> 00:57:19,855
You know?

1528
00:57:30,789 --> 00:57:31,690
And it's because

1529
00:57:32,389 --> 00:57:35,929
there's the sufficient life that creates the ecosystem

1530
00:57:36,069 --> 00:57:37,289
of balance and,

1531
00:57:38,309 --> 00:57:39,449
alternating pressure,

1532
00:57:40,789 --> 00:57:41,529
that causes,

1533
00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:42,945
you know,

1534
00:57:43,344 --> 00:57:47,105
everything to perpetuate. So, also, there are some

1535
00:57:47,105 --> 00:57:49,025
things that you can run into if you

1536
00:57:49,025 --> 00:57:50,885
start calling things a pesticide,

1537
00:57:51,985 --> 00:57:53,985
and you have to talk to somebody from

1538
00:57:53,985 --> 00:57:55,170
the EPA and,

1539
00:57:55,569 --> 00:57:56,289
you know, it's,

1540
00:57:56,769 --> 00:57:58,929
the whole thing. So I follow that. Alright.

1541
00:57:58,929 --> 00:58:00,369
That's that's good. And you know what? When

1542
00:58:00,369 --> 00:58:02,530
I said pesticide earlier, you may have heard

1543
00:58:02,530 --> 00:58:04,449
me even slow down and pause. I'm like,

1544
00:58:05,010 --> 00:58:06,690
this isn't the right word, but I'm not

1545
00:58:06,690 --> 00:58:08,694
sure what to use. So Yeah. Yeah. It

1546
00:58:08,694 --> 00:58:12,394
sounds like using the the IPMO phrase itself

1547
00:58:12,614 --> 00:58:14,394
is the is the more accurate.

1548
00:58:14,855 --> 00:58:15,355
Yeah.

1549
00:58:15,655 --> 00:58:18,214
And it's And it sorry. I I'm I'm

1550
00:58:18,214 --> 00:58:20,679
not actually bothered by it, but also we're

1551
00:58:20,679 --> 00:58:22,840
we're teaching this. Right? We're Totally. We wanna

1552
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:24,280
do we wanna set people up right, and

1553
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:25,900
we don't want them talking to,

1554
00:58:26,679 --> 00:58:29,000
people as if it's a pesticide. And and

1555
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:30,920
and something that I know you will get

1556
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:32,780
that you and I would agree on is

1557
00:58:33,565 --> 00:58:36,224
we're trying to teach a paradigm here,

1558
00:58:36,605 --> 00:58:39,485
and it's not about pesticides and coating stuff

1559
00:58:39,485 --> 00:58:40,224
in chemicals

1560
00:58:40,605 --> 00:58:43,164
and going out there and just, like, kill

1561
00:58:43,164 --> 00:58:44,625
all the things including

1562
00:58:44,925 --> 00:58:45,920
the target. Label.

1563
00:58:52,327 --> 00:58:52,827
Yeah.

1564
00:58:59,394 --> 00:59:01,315
And so and so, you know, it's it's

1565
00:59:01,315 --> 00:59:02,835
it's not like we're we're not going there

1566
00:59:02,835 --> 00:59:05,155
and dropping a bomb. We're just we're just

1567
00:59:05,155 --> 00:59:08,535
sending some help to to to our teammates.

1568
00:59:10,835 --> 00:59:12,454
Yeah. I mean, it's,

1569
00:59:12,755 --> 00:59:15,219
it's that's great. I love it. Yeah. It's,

1570
00:59:15,460 --> 00:59:17,779
it's it's really it's it's not an issue,

1571
00:59:19,619 --> 00:59:22,019
except that we have governing bodies that,

1572
00:59:22,739 --> 00:59:24,739
and and the there's things with the same

1573
00:59:24,739 --> 00:59:26,420
name. If we call it a pesticide, there's

1574
00:59:26,420 --> 00:59:28,605
things with the same name that have nothing

1575
00:59:28,605 --> 00:59:30,525
in common to what we're talking about. You

1576
00:59:30,525 --> 00:59:31,905
know? Yeah. It's strategically

1577
00:59:32,364 --> 00:59:32,864
and,

1578
00:59:33,244 --> 00:59:35,244
like, I don't know about ethically, but but

1579
00:59:35,244 --> 00:59:36,864
strategically totally different

1580
00:59:37,164 --> 00:59:37,664
approach.

1581
00:59:38,284 --> 00:59:40,364
Yeah. Alright. So let's move on. You were

1582
00:59:40,364 --> 00:59:42,760
talking about your meringue and how if you,

1583
00:59:43,079 --> 00:59:45,640
if you use a dirty spoon, it'll destroy

1584
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:46,300
the meringue.

1585
00:59:46,599 --> 00:59:48,599
Let's talk about that same thing about collection

1586
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,880
collecting our target in insects because in in

1587
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:53,400
preparing for this, I was talking to my

1588
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:55,800
buddies while we were, big leafing the other

1589
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:56,300
day,

1590
00:59:56,675 --> 00:59:57,175
And,

1591
00:59:57,554 --> 00:59:59,795
and and we were talking about, you know,

1592
00:59:59,795 --> 01:00:01,574
the difficulty or the challenge

1593
01:00:01,875 --> 01:00:02,375
with,

1594
01:00:05,875 --> 01:00:06,375
contaminating

1595
01:00:07,155 --> 01:00:07,655
IMO.

1596
01:00:08,355 --> 01:00:09,974
And we were thinking about

1597
01:00:10,309 --> 01:00:12,409
ways that we might contaminate

1598
01:00:12,710 --> 01:00:13,449
the IMO

1599
01:00:14,150 --> 01:00:15,210
by contaminating

1600
01:00:16,070 --> 01:00:17,369
the target pest.

1601
01:00:17,750 --> 01:00:20,469
So let's let's use the locust since, we

1602
01:00:20,469 --> 01:00:21,909
can pick those up with our fingers, and

1603
01:00:21,909 --> 01:00:23,449
we've already been talking about the locust.

1604
01:00:24,755 --> 01:00:26,695
Have you developed any best practices

1605
01:00:26,994 --> 01:00:27,974
for collecting

1606
01:00:28,594 --> 01:00:31,635
the locust, for example, or the spider mite,

1607
01:00:31,635 --> 01:00:32,375
for example,

1608
01:00:33,394 --> 01:00:34,114
so that,

1609
01:00:34,675 --> 01:00:37,015
we don't in some way contaminate

1610
01:00:37,900 --> 01:00:40,000
the the the target insect

1611
01:00:40,300 --> 01:00:42,320
and thus screw up our IPMO.

1612
01:00:42,780 --> 01:00:44,619
We were talking about, like, man, I really

1613
01:00:44,619 --> 01:00:46,780
think that when I collect these bugs, I'm

1614
01:00:46,780 --> 01:00:48,400
gonna wanna wear gloves.

1615
01:00:51,340 --> 01:00:52,639
I I think gloves

1616
01:00:53,375 --> 01:00:55,135
gloves would be great. There's nothing wrong with

1617
01:00:55,135 --> 01:00:55,954
using gloves.

1618
01:00:56,414 --> 01:00:58,434
I think that might be unnecessary.

1619
01:00:59,295 --> 01:01:00,194
Clean hands,

1620
01:01:01,694 --> 01:01:02,755
you know, simply

1621
01:01:03,135 --> 01:01:05,534
wash your hands, rinse them well, make sure

1622
01:01:05,534 --> 01:01:06,894
there's not a bunch of soap on them

1623
01:01:06,894 --> 01:01:08,114
or anything like that,

1624
01:01:09,150 --> 01:01:10,769
would be enough. Like,

1625
01:01:11,550 --> 01:01:13,969
a contamination, one of the number one contaminations,

1626
01:01:14,349 --> 01:01:15,250
human spring,

1627
01:01:15,630 --> 01:01:16,130
is,

1628
01:01:16,909 --> 01:01:17,409
slightly

1629
01:01:17,789 --> 01:01:20,349
less than well washed hand after using the

1630
01:01:20,349 --> 01:01:20,849
restroom.

1631
01:01:21,150 --> 01:01:23,469
You know? And that's, you know, that's enough

1632
01:01:23,469 --> 01:01:23,969
to

1633
01:01:24,305 --> 01:01:26,704
make people sick and Add a little e

1634
01:01:26,704 --> 01:01:28,005
e coli to your IMO.

1635
01:01:28,545 --> 01:01:29,045
Exactly.

1636
01:01:29,585 --> 01:01:32,385
It'll liquefy your rice. And that is,

1637
01:01:33,664 --> 01:01:34,644
when you see,

1638
01:01:35,905 --> 01:01:38,144
I am a one that's been liquefied in

1639
01:01:38,144 --> 01:01:39,815
the middle. It is probably,

1640
01:01:40,224 --> 01:01:42,264
E. Coli or a similar,

1641
01:01:42,672 --> 01:01:44,539
small, fast replicating bacteria.

1642
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:47,340
And so that is

1643
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:49,579
one IMO collection.

1644
01:01:50,039 --> 01:01:52,335
People are like, well, it's so like

1645
01:01:52,815 --> 01:01:54,755
hard to know what's good. And,

1646
01:01:55,054 --> 01:01:56,675
you know, there's, you know,

1647
01:01:57,054 --> 01:01:58,994
detail. Sometimes you say, you know,

1648
01:01:59,855 --> 01:02:02,014
colors can be fine, you know, as long

1649
01:02:02,014 --> 01:02:03,635
as it's not all one color.

1650
01:02:04,494 --> 01:02:06,449
But one thing I say a 100 percent

1651
01:02:06,449 --> 01:02:08,469
of the time, you never wanna use

1652
01:02:08,929 --> 01:02:09,829
an IMO

1653
01:02:10,369 --> 01:02:11,190
that has,

1654
01:02:12,769 --> 01:02:13,750
gooey middle

1655
01:02:14,050 --> 01:02:15,269
or or liquefied

1656
01:02:15,570 --> 01:02:17,670
rice or or slimy

1657
01:02:18,210 --> 01:02:20,070
in in any part of it because

1658
01:02:20,375 --> 01:02:22,714
that will never make good IMO 3. So

1659
01:02:22,775 --> 01:02:24,315
word to the wise, you wanna

1660
01:02:25,335 --> 01:02:26,394
exclude 1,

1661
01:02:27,574 --> 01:02:30,934
IMO one type as it finishes one way

1662
01:02:30,934 --> 01:02:32,694
that it looks that you're like, okay. And,

1663
01:02:32,694 --> 01:02:34,315
no, for sure, that's wrong.

1664
01:02:34,869 --> 01:02:35,690
Is gooey

1665
01:02:36,230 --> 01:02:36,889
middle slimy.

1666
01:02:37,989 --> 01:02:38,489
But,

1667
01:02:39,349 --> 01:02:40,409
another thing,

1668
01:02:41,829 --> 01:02:42,969
to avoid,

1669
01:02:43,750 --> 01:02:45,130
quote unquote contaminating

1670
01:02:45,989 --> 01:02:46,489
your

1671
01:02:48,335 --> 01:02:48,835
insects

1672
01:02:49,135 --> 01:02:50,355
would be not,

1673
01:02:50,894 --> 01:02:52,674
bringing much of their environment

1674
01:02:53,855 --> 01:02:54,355
or,

1675
01:02:55,054 --> 01:02:55,954
their poop.

1676
01:02:57,214 --> 01:02:59,474
One of the things that happens if you

1677
01:02:59,534 --> 01:03:01,474
harvest a bunch of living insects

1678
01:03:02,329 --> 01:03:02,829
is,

1679
01:03:03,289 --> 01:03:04,809
and you leave them in a bag for

1680
01:03:04,809 --> 01:03:06,429
a couple of days and they're alive,

1681
01:03:07,289 --> 01:03:10,409
is they will defecate in the bag and

1682
01:03:10,409 --> 01:03:13,150
then you have insects plus all their little

1683
01:03:13,449 --> 01:03:13,949
defecation

1684
01:03:14,250 --> 01:03:17,114
that gets pretty funky pretty quick. So,

1685
01:03:17,914 --> 01:03:20,335
something you can do is clean hands,

1686
01:03:20,715 --> 01:03:22,875
throw them in a bag, and then immediately

1687
01:03:22,875 --> 01:03:23,934
when you're done harvesting,

1688
01:03:24,715 --> 01:03:25,855
throw it in the freezer.

1689
01:03:27,195 --> 01:03:29,275
So throw them in a Ziploc, throw the

1690
01:03:29,275 --> 01:03:30,494
Ziploc in a freezer,

1691
01:03:30,869 --> 01:03:32,650
you'll kill them without

1692
01:03:32,949 --> 01:03:34,089
damaging them.

1693
01:03:34,549 --> 01:03:37,190
And they won't go through, you know, the

1694
01:03:37,190 --> 01:03:39,929
process of funking, funking up their environment.

1695
01:03:41,829 --> 01:03:43,989
So yeah, that's, that's kinda how I go

1696
01:03:43,989 --> 01:03:45,109
about it. I was out,

1697
01:03:45,994 --> 01:03:46,894
the other day,

1698
01:03:47,515 --> 01:03:49,695
in my I am growing ginger,

1699
01:03:50,235 --> 01:03:52,074
and, I was out there and,

1700
01:03:53,675 --> 01:03:54,574
I was harvesting

1701
01:03:55,275 --> 01:03:57,295
Japanese rose beetle because they're

1702
01:03:57,594 --> 01:04:00,235
devastating the leaves. And so I'm gonna make

1703
01:04:00,235 --> 01:04:00,974
an IMO,

1704
01:04:01,469 --> 01:04:02,210
an IPMO,

1705
01:04:02,829 --> 01:04:03,150
and,

1706
01:04:04,109 --> 01:04:05,489
foliar spray them,

1707
01:04:07,070 --> 01:04:07,889
next week.

1708
01:04:08,510 --> 01:04:08,989
And,

1709
01:04:11,789 --> 01:04:13,869
the I went in there to kinda take

1710
01:04:13,869 --> 01:04:15,230
off some of the bits of,

1711
01:04:16,525 --> 01:04:18,844
leaf and stuff that I had harvest with

1712
01:04:18,844 --> 01:04:20,764
because you're grabbing this beetle off a leaf

1713
01:04:20,764 --> 01:04:22,284
and then you're grabbing a piece of leaf

1714
01:04:22,284 --> 01:04:24,045
and I don't wanna put that in the

1715
01:04:24,045 --> 01:04:24,545
rice.

1716
01:04:25,405 --> 01:04:28,045
And, they're all alive, so they started flying

1717
01:04:28,045 --> 01:04:29,565
out of the bag. And so,

1718
01:04:30,170 --> 01:04:31,469
I threw them in the freezer,

1719
01:04:32,489 --> 01:04:34,430
and, yeah. That was that.

1720
01:04:35,130 --> 01:04:36,809
I I wanna point out another thing that

1721
01:04:36,809 --> 01:04:38,730
you said that deserves to be hit again.

1722
01:04:38,969 --> 01:04:39,849
You pointed out,

1723
01:04:40,410 --> 01:04:42,250
you know, wash your hands, sure, but make

1724
01:04:42,250 --> 01:04:44,695
sure there's no residual soap. And I wanna

1725
01:04:44,695 --> 01:04:46,155
double down on that because,

1726
01:04:47,574 --> 01:04:50,315
hand sanitizer is so much more common too.

1727
01:04:50,695 --> 01:04:54,074
And we don't want anything that kills microbes

1728
01:04:54,375 --> 01:04:56,235
in the IMO box.

1729
01:04:56,630 --> 01:04:59,030
So if you have a residual soap on

1730
01:04:59,030 --> 01:05:01,110
your hands, maybe you use like a thick,

1731
01:05:01,429 --> 01:05:03,449
liquid soap in your bathroom maybe,

1732
01:05:03,829 --> 01:05:06,789
or maybe you use some hand sanitizer and

1733
01:05:06,789 --> 01:05:08,710
that stuff, like, that stuff leaves a lot

1734
01:05:08,710 --> 01:05:10,250
of residue on your fingers.

1735
01:05:10,635 --> 01:05:12,554
And then you go and you pick up

1736
01:05:12,554 --> 01:05:14,255
your your, you know,

1737
01:05:15,275 --> 01:05:17,434
locusts or whatever. And then you put the

1738
01:05:17,434 --> 01:05:17,934
locusts

1739
01:05:18,235 --> 01:05:20,574
on top of your IMO rice.

1740
01:05:20,875 --> 01:05:23,069
You actually have put locust

1741
01:05:23,849 --> 01:05:24,670
and microbe

1742
01:05:25,929 --> 01:05:26,429
killing

1743
01:05:27,769 --> 01:05:30,750
agents from your fingers into your IMO.

1744
01:05:31,369 --> 01:05:34,250
And so, you know, clean hands are good.

1745
01:05:34,250 --> 01:05:34,750
Clean

1746
01:05:35,289 --> 01:05:36,909
residue residue of cleanliness

1747
01:05:37,210 --> 01:05:38,109
is not good.

1748
01:05:40,355 --> 01:05:42,835
Let there be no record of cleanliness. Yeah.

1749
01:05:43,795 --> 01:05:44,994
So the,

1750
01:05:46,034 --> 01:05:48,594
number one reason where why people fail to

1751
01:05:48,594 --> 01:05:51,235
make, in the canvas cannabis industry, they call

1752
01:05:51,235 --> 01:05:54,119
it labs, l a b, lactic acid bacteria,

1753
01:05:54,179 --> 01:05:55,880
which a lot of people use to

1754
01:05:56,340 --> 01:05:59,219
treat and prevent powdery mildew. You can totally

1755
01:05:59,219 --> 01:06:01,300
just use liquid IMO because it already has

1756
01:06:01,300 --> 01:06:02,980
labs in it. But,

1757
01:06:03,300 --> 01:06:05,533
people, you know, will send me pictures and

1758
01:06:05,533 --> 01:06:07,919
they're like, blah, blah, blah. What went wrong?

1759
01:06:07,919 --> 01:06:10,306
And I did this. I did all the

1760
01:06:10,306 --> 01:06:12,692
things you said. Cleaned my jar. I said,

1761
01:06:12,692 --> 01:06:15,078
did you make sure that you had no

1762
01:06:15,078 --> 01:06:17,465
soap scum left in your jar? Did you

1763
01:06:17,465 --> 01:06:20,119
double rinse it? Like, oh, no. Probably not.

1764
01:06:20,119 --> 01:06:22,940
That that is that is the leading reason

1765
01:06:23,079 --> 01:06:25,800
why people's lab does not develop is a

1766
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:26,860
little bit of soap,

1767
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:30,119
and you will not produce any lactic acid

1768
01:06:30,119 --> 01:06:30,619
bacteria.

1769
01:06:31,079 --> 01:06:33,255
Your milk will just go funky. And so,

1770
01:06:33,255 --> 01:06:34,454
yeah, it's it's,

1771
01:06:34,775 --> 01:06:38,135
it's there's precedent for double checking that you

1772
01:06:38,135 --> 01:06:39,894
don't. And so even if you have a

1773
01:06:39,894 --> 01:06:42,454
collection box that you've made and you've cleaned

1774
01:06:42,454 --> 01:06:43,755
it out with some soap,

1775
01:06:44,135 --> 01:06:46,619
that can go right into the wood. And

1776
01:06:46,619 --> 01:06:48,940
now you can have a soap filled box

1777
01:06:48,940 --> 01:06:49,599
that will,

1778
01:06:50,139 --> 01:06:50,639
inhibit

1779
01:06:51,019 --> 01:06:51,519
microbes,

1780
01:06:53,259 --> 01:06:53,759
baskets,

1781
01:06:55,019 --> 01:06:57,839
that have a bunch of shellac or, like,

1782
01:06:58,139 --> 01:07:00,159
coating on the on the wicker,

1783
01:07:01,134 --> 01:07:02,014
can, can,

1784
01:07:02,574 --> 01:07:04,335
off gas when you get it kind of

1785
01:07:04,335 --> 01:07:04,815
warm with,

1786
01:07:06,574 --> 01:07:10,014
microbe development and that off gassing can wipe

1787
01:07:10,014 --> 01:07:10,914
out your community.

1788
01:07:12,549 --> 01:07:15,750
And, and then, you know, people go through

1789
01:07:15,750 --> 01:07:16,650
all this effort.

1790
01:07:17,269 --> 01:07:19,029
Sorry, I'm going down the ways that it

1791
01:07:19,029 --> 01:07:20,789
can go wrong. Here are the ways that

1792
01:07:20,789 --> 01:07:21,849
it can go wrong.

1793
01:07:23,109 --> 01:07:24,730
People go through all this effort

1794
01:07:25,355 --> 01:07:27,594
and then get their rice right and they

1795
01:07:27,594 --> 01:07:28,255
got their

1796
01:07:28,714 --> 01:07:30,474
their bugs and then they put it in

1797
01:07:30,474 --> 01:07:33,135
a plastic container without any holes. And

1798
01:07:33,674 --> 01:07:36,414
all this life that starts going in there

1799
01:07:36,554 --> 01:07:38,014
now starts breathing

1800
01:07:38,679 --> 01:07:39,420
and producing,

1801
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:41,980
buildup of water.

1802
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:42,940
And,

1803
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:46,039
then it rots the edges and it'll fail

1804
01:07:46,039 --> 01:07:48,920
every time, even though it started great because

1805
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:50,380
you had all the right things.

1806
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:53,079
Just the fact that it doesn't breathe will

1807
01:07:53,079 --> 01:07:54,219
be enough. So,

1808
01:07:55,034 --> 01:07:56,734
some sort of natural material,

1809
01:07:57,434 --> 01:07:57,934
untreated

1810
01:07:59,514 --> 01:08:00,014
baskets,

1811
01:08:00,315 --> 01:08:00,815
or,

1812
01:08:01,194 --> 01:08:02,655
I make little wood boxes.

1813
01:08:04,234 --> 01:08:06,574
That is really, really important,

1814
01:08:07,194 --> 01:08:08,789
when you're doing your IMO one.

1815
01:08:11,750 --> 01:08:14,070
So you know, most of us understand that

1816
01:08:14,070 --> 01:08:16,869
traditional IMO, when it's time to go and

1817
01:08:16,869 --> 01:08:17,689
apply it,

1818
01:08:18,550 --> 01:08:20,970
we will do a foliar spray,

1819
01:08:22,835 --> 01:08:25,475
over the tops and bottoms of the leaves

1820
01:08:25,475 --> 01:08:26,375
of the plant,

1821
01:08:27,074 --> 01:08:27,475
and,

1822
01:08:27,875 --> 01:08:30,914
I'm going to guess that the IPMO is

1823
01:08:30,914 --> 01:08:33,074
applied the same way as if it was

1824
01:08:33,074 --> 01:08:34,935
regular IMO. Is that accurate?

1825
01:08:36,170 --> 01:08:36,670
Absolutely.

1826
01:08:37,689 --> 01:08:40,329
IPMO can be applied if you're making IMO

1827
01:08:40,329 --> 01:08:40,829
for,

1828
01:08:41,530 --> 01:08:43,789
with the hypo, it can be applied topically.

1829
01:08:44,409 --> 01:08:45,210
A lot of,

1830
01:08:45,610 --> 01:08:48,010
pests have a ground dwelling phase or at

1831
01:08:48,010 --> 01:08:50,324
least a phase where they interact with the

1832
01:08:50,324 --> 01:08:50,824
soil.

1833
01:08:51,605 --> 01:08:52,645
So just having,

1834
01:08:53,925 --> 01:08:54,664
that predatory

1835
01:08:55,045 --> 01:08:57,765
fungi in your soil around your plants is

1836
01:08:57,765 --> 01:08:58,164
enough,

1837
01:08:59,525 --> 01:09:00,025
to,

1838
01:09:00,485 --> 01:09:00,985
actually,

1839
01:09:01,570 --> 01:09:03,010
especially if you can if you look into

1840
01:09:03,010 --> 01:09:04,530
their life cycle and they have a ground

1841
01:09:04,530 --> 01:09:05,350
dwelling phase,

1842
01:09:05,729 --> 01:09:08,130
you might not need to ever even apply

1843
01:09:08,130 --> 01:09:08,630
foliarly

1844
01:09:09,250 --> 01:09:12,229
to have a 100% prevention in your substrate.

1845
01:09:12,530 --> 01:09:14,610
Oh my god. I I I'm gonna guess

1846
01:09:14,610 --> 01:09:16,869
that fungus gnats have got a carapace.

1847
01:09:17,534 --> 01:09:19,635
How awesome would it be to have

1848
01:09:20,094 --> 01:09:21,234
a resident

1849
01:09:21,534 --> 01:09:24,414
of the soil be the mold that loves

1850
01:09:24,414 --> 01:09:26,194
to eat fungus gnat larvae?

1851
01:09:27,774 --> 01:09:29,935
This is this is accurate, and you can

1852
01:09:29,935 --> 01:09:31,054
definitely have,

1853
01:09:31,454 --> 01:09:31,954
prevention

1854
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:34,420
from IMO. However,

1855
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:37,780
you can have thriving soil

1856
01:09:38,239 --> 01:09:39,380
in your indoor

1857
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:43,039
living soil bed and overwater the top of

1858
01:09:43,039 --> 01:09:43,539
it,

1859
01:09:44,399 --> 01:09:47,360
and still produce fungus gnats. I I know

1860
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:50,204
that is possible. So beware of,

1861
01:09:51,305 --> 01:09:52,445
surface overwatering,

1862
01:09:53,545 --> 01:09:54,045
because,

1863
01:09:54,585 --> 01:09:56,905
you can still achieve fungus gnats if you

1864
01:09:56,905 --> 01:09:59,085
try hard enough even with great soil.

1865
01:10:01,704 --> 01:10:03,310
If you try hard enough, you can bring

1866
01:10:03,310 --> 01:10:04,929
fungus nets anywhere, man.

1867
01:10:06,590 --> 01:10:07,729
I got them in my kitchen.

1868
01:10:10,109 --> 01:10:10,510
So,

1869
01:10:11,229 --> 01:10:11,729
so

1870
01:10:12,109 --> 01:10:13,710
the you know, I was trying to think

1871
01:10:13,710 --> 01:10:16,429
of of any downsides to IPMO because it

1872
01:10:16,429 --> 01:10:18,725
sounds awesome. I want I already wanted IMO

1873
01:10:18,784 --> 01:10:20,625
everywhere in in my life and in the

1874
01:10:20,625 --> 01:10:21,765
nature and everything.

1875
01:10:22,305 --> 01:10:23,284
And IPMO

1876
01:10:23,664 --> 01:10:25,505
sounds great to have everywhere in my garden.

1877
01:10:25,505 --> 01:10:27,905
And then it occurred to me that, I

1878
01:10:27,905 --> 01:10:30,164
am a beneficial insects user.

1879
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:33,600
Mhmm. And, you know, we're natural farmers, and

1880
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:35,119
and none of us really wanna be using

1881
01:10:35,119 --> 01:10:38,020
chemical pesticides even if they're air quotes natural

1882
01:10:38,079 --> 01:10:38,579
pesticides.

1883
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:41,920
We wanna encourage nature, and so I encourage

1884
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:43,140
nature by adding

1885
01:10:43,725 --> 01:10:44,465
the pests

1886
01:10:45,005 --> 01:10:45,824
that eat

1887
01:10:46,125 --> 01:10:48,685
my pests, adding the insects that eat my

1888
01:10:48,685 --> 01:10:49,185
pests.

1889
01:10:49,725 --> 01:10:51,965
But, it sounds like if I'm going to

1890
01:10:51,965 --> 01:10:54,685
use IPMO, it's really a one or the

1891
01:10:54,685 --> 01:10:57,264
other because if the IPMO

1892
01:10:58,500 --> 01:11:01,380
kills my target mites, it's also gonna kill

1893
01:11:01,380 --> 01:11:02,760
my beneficial mites.

1894
01:11:03,460 --> 01:11:05,000
Yeah? Yeah. It's,

1895
01:11:05,460 --> 01:11:08,500
this is possible. And, the cool the good

1896
01:11:08,500 --> 01:11:10,199
news is if you're making

1897
01:11:10,659 --> 01:11:14,015
IPMO well and it is killing your beneficial

1898
01:11:14,154 --> 01:11:14,654
mites,

1899
01:11:15,274 --> 01:11:16,734
you won't have any mites.

1900
01:11:17,755 --> 01:11:20,494
You can you can have a great protocol

1901
01:11:20,875 --> 01:11:22,175
with total kill.

1902
01:11:22,635 --> 01:11:24,015
So that's the good news.

1903
01:11:24,780 --> 01:11:27,340
Another bit of good news is a lot

1904
01:11:27,340 --> 01:11:28,319
of these bigger

1905
01:11:28,619 --> 01:11:29,119
creatures,

1906
01:11:30,140 --> 01:11:32,220
or some of these bigger creatures have,

1907
01:11:33,579 --> 01:11:36,239
like bees, for example. If you take IPMO

1908
01:11:36,380 --> 01:11:38,859
and you direct apply it on a flying

1909
01:11:38,859 --> 01:11:41,244
bee or a bee on a on a,

1910
01:11:42,845 --> 01:11:45,345
on a flower, you can kill that bee.

1911
01:11:45,485 --> 01:11:47,744
But if you apply it,

1912
01:11:48,525 --> 01:11:49,425
all over

1913
01:11:49,885 --> 01:11:50,784
your flowers

1914
01:11:51,085 --> 01:11:52,385
and the bees come,

1915
01:11:53,319 --> 01:11:55,800
the next day, they will it'll have no

1916
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:57,479
effect on them. We have,

1917
01:11:57,960 --> 01:11:59,819
a 140 hives here,

1918
01:12:00,279 --> 01:12:02,619
on the farm and, with IPMO

1919
01:12:03,399 --> 01:12:03,899
applications

1920
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:06,199
around their hives to prevent,

1921
01:12:07,079 --> 01:12:07,560
row,

1922
01:12:08,715 --> 01:12:09,614
hive beetle.

1923
01:12:10,795 --> 01:12:12,734
There has been only positive

1924
01:12:13,274 --> 01:12:16,094
effect on our bees. Our our hives thrive.

1925
01:12:16,234 --> 01:12:16,975
Our beekeeper

1926
01:12:17,514 --> 01:12:19,854
loves our hives because he comes and he,

1927
01:12:20,359 --> 01:12:22,119
splits them or takes a bunch of bees

1928
01:12:22,119 --> 01:12:23,719
out of them for his other hives, other

1929
01:12:23,719 --> 01:12:25,020
places that are struggling,

1930
01:12:25,719 --> 01:12:27,819
because we're always overproducing bees.

1931
01:12:28,359 --> 01:12:30,840
But, however, because a bee is capable of

1932
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:33,639
cleaning itself. Right. So there are creatures that

1933
01:12:33,639 --> 01:12:34,619
can clean themselves

1934
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:35,385
and,

1935
01:12:36,344 --> 01:12:37,564
can can navigate,

1936
01:12:38,264 --> 01:12:41,144
in really healthy soils. But, yeah, you,

1937
01:12:42,104 --> 01:12:43,625
and we still have a

1938
01:12:44,824 --> 01:12:46,824
I don't know how or or exactly how

1939
01:12:46,824 --> 01:12:48,744
it works, but we still have abundance of

1940
01:12:48,744 --> 01:12:49,244
insects.

1941
01:12:50,210 --> 01:12:51,429
But I think that,

1942
01:12:52,850 --> 01:12:56,469
that leaf surface, that place where our pests

1943
01:12:56,609 --> 01:12:57,670
go to eat,

1944
01:12:58,449 --> 01:12:59,429
that soil,

1945
01:13:01,090 --> 01:13:02,630
I, I, I'm not totally

1946
01:13:03,010 --> 01:13:04,604
sure of how it all works.

1947
01:13:05,284 --> 01:13:05,784
But,

1948
01:13:07,244 --> 01:13:09,965
yeah, the the pests are no more, and

1949
01:13:09,965 --> 01:13:11,585
we still have a thriving ecosystem.

1950
01:13:12,364 --> 01:13:14,604
So, I'm gonna I'm gonna push even don't

1951
01:13:14,604 --> 01:13:16,444
understand. I'm gonna push even further on that.

1952
01:13:16,444 --> 01:13:18,284
And the answer might also be that neither

1953
01:13:18,284 --> 01:13:19,800
of us knows the answer to this, but

1954
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:21,180
but I'm gonna push anyway.

1955
01:13:22,359 --> 01:13:24,840
You know, that reminds me of of, you

1956
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:27,899
know, very often, especially early in my cultivation,

1957
01:13:28,119 --> 01:13:29,880
you know, we you know, I I used

1958
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:32,439
whatever was being sold for whatever aphids or

1959
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:34,119
something. And, you know, mostly, I make my

1960
01:13:34,119 --> 01:13:34,619
own

1961
01:13:35,614 --> 01:13:37,534
sauces now, but, you know, you you you

1962
01:13:37,534 --> 01:13:39,215
get the sauce and you you put it

1963
01:13:39,215 --> 01:13:41,534
on and, you know, and and it just

1964
01:13:41,534 --> 01:13:43,534
kills everything on the freaking plant. Right? The

1965
01:13:43,534 --> 01:13:45,314
good guys, the bad guys, the everybody,

1966
01:13:45,694 --> 01:13:48,909
which which creates this environment where there is

1967
01:13:48,909 --> 01:13:49,409
a,

1968
01:13:49,789 --> 01:13:52,270
there's a vacuum. Right? There's no there's no

1969
01:13:52,270 --> 01:13:54,510
good guys or bad guys, which creates an

1970
01:13:54,510 --> 01:13:55,010
opportunity.

1971
01:13:55,630 --> 01:13:58,210
And I wonder if if we sprayed IPMO

1972
01:13:58,670 --> 01:14:01,869
on our cannabis plants in veg and it

1973
01:14:01,869 --> 01:14:02,369
kills

1974
01:14:03,094 --> 01:14:04,554
all of the

1975
01:14:05,494 --> 01:14:07,654
insects, good and bad, that have got a

1976
01:14:07,654 --> 01:14:08,154
carapace,

1977
01:14:08,854 --> 01:14:10,475
is is are we creating

1978
01:14:11,255 --> 01:14:11,994
a weakness

1979
01:14:12,375 --> 01:14:13,515
in our ecosystem

1980
01:14:14,295 --> 01:14:15,194
that that

1981
01:14:15,494 --> 01:14:17,835
another type of non carapace

1982
01:14:19,069 --> 01:14:20,430
insect might be or not not I guess

1983
01:14:20,430 --> 01:14:22,369
it wouldn't be an insect yet. Non

1984
01:14:22,909 --> 01:14:23,810
non carapace

1985
01:14:24,189 --> 01:14:26,770
pest might be able to fill that space.

1986
01:14:29,789 --> 01:14:31,170
Yeah. I have not

1987
01:14:31,594 --> 01:14:32,094
experienced

1988
01:14:32,635 --> 01:14:33,614
a a downside

1989
01:14:33,994 --> 01:14:35,034
here. Mhmm.

1990
01:14:35,594 --> 01:14:36,094
So,

1991
01:14:37,114 --> 01:14:39,694
we had there's a a farm I helped,

1992
01:14:40,954 --> 01:14:44,175
develop in Colorado. They're in their 4th year.

1993
01:14:44,710 --> 01:14:45,689
Now they're,

1994
01:14:47,430 --> 01:14:49,930
leading the industry in in hash,

1995
01:14:50,550 --> 01:14:51,050
quality,

1996
01:14:52,470 --> 01:14:52,970
and,

1997
01:14:53,590 --> 01:14:54,329
they have,

1998
01:14:57,534 --> 01:14:58,835
it's like 1800

1999
01:14:59,295 --> 01:15:02,494
plants times 4 or 5. No. I have

2000
01:15:02,494 --> 01:15:04,895
1 biz building that's times 4 and one

2001
01:15:04,895 --> 01:15:07,314
that's 1800 plants. So 5.

2002
01:15:07,614 --> 01:15:08,114
And,

2003
01:15:09,295 --> 01:15:11,475
they have a protocol of just,

2004
01:15:13,340 --> 01:15:15,199
liquid IMO on the regular,

2005
01:15:16,300 --> 01:15:16,779
and,

2006
01:15:17,579 --> 01:15:20,719
they have a thriving like, their soil life,

2007
01:15:21,340 --> 01:15:23,359
has abundance of insects,

2008
01:15:25,260 --> 01:15:25,659
and,

2009
01:15:26,734 --> 01:15:28,194
they don't have pests.

2010
01:15:29,534 --> 01:15:30,835
I don't know why,

2011
01:15:31,694 --> 01:15:34,574
that is the case that theirs can still

2012
01:15:34,574 --> 01:15:35,074
be,

2013
01:15:36,094 --> 01:15:38,255
and it may be plant health. It may

2014
01:15:38,255 --> 01:15:38,755
be,

2015
01:15:39,135 --> 01:15:40,835
oh, here's something fun.

2016
01:15:44,859 --> 01:15:45,600
The presence

2017
01:15:45,979 --> 01:15:46,479
of

2018
01:15:47,020 --> 01:15:47,520
the,

2019
01:15:49,260 --> 01:15:51,439
the protein of insects

2020
01:15:51,739 --> 01:15:53,359
being processed with fungi,

2021
01:15:54,675 --> 01:15:55,175
that,

2022
01:15:56,354 --> 01:15:57,175
that IPMO,

2023
01:15:58,194 --> 01:16:00,935
having those those proteins in it

2024
01:16:01,314 --> 01:16:04,835
actually triggers an immune response in our plants

2025
01:16:04,835 --> 01:16:06,935
too, making them aware

2026
01:16:07,579 --> 01:16:11,760
that they may encounter an outbreak of their

2027
01:16:11,899 --> 01:16:14,939
pest. Oh my gosh. It increases their immune

2028
01:16:14,939 --> 01:16:15,439
system.

2029
01:16:15,899 --> 01:16:17,119
Mhmm. Woah.

2030
01:16:17,979 --> 01:16:18,800
Yeah. So,

2031
01:16:19,675 --> 01:16:22,074
and if you do if you go really

2032
01:16:22,074 --> 01:16:23,854
heavy with that, you can actually,

2033
01:16:24,875 --> 01:16:26,255
you can actually trigger

2034
01:16:26,875 --> 01:16:27,195
a,

2035
01:16:27,914 --> 01:16:28,414
extreme

2036
01:16:28,954 --> 01:16:29,454
fruiting

2037
01:16:29,755 --> 01:16:30,255
response

2038
01:16:30,795 --> 01:16:33,215
or flowering in a flowering plant

2039
01:16:33,679 --> 01:16:36,500
where you'll get an increase in,

2040
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:39,779
flower and fruiting just by,

2041
01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:43,939
introducing them to the proteins in their pests,

2042
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:46,100
and foliarly.

2043
01:16:46,935 --> 01:16:47,814
And that can,

2044
01:16:48,375 --> 01:16:49,914
cause them to be, hey,

2045
01:16:50,375 --> 01:16:53,354
I'm going to die soon. There's this outbreak

2046
01:16:54,614 --> 01:16:57,195
of pests. I need to perpetuate my species

2047
01:16:57,574 --> 01:16:58,074
by

2048
01:16:58,534 --> 01:16:59,034
fruiting,

2049
01:17:00,295 --> 01:17:01,114
in abundance,

2050
01:17:01,539 --> 01:17:03,399
and they'll double down on,

2051
01:17:04,260 --> 01:17:04,760
their,

2052
01:17:05,939 --> 01:17:08,899
yeah, their fruit production. So I've seen real

2053
01:17:08,899 --> 01:17:10,039
extreme flowering,

2054
01:17:10,819 --> 01:17:14,385
in my macadamia nuts and, also studied this,

2055
01:17:17,585 --> 01:17:18,085
phenomenon,

2056
01:17:19,264 --> 01:17:20,304
because of it,

2057
01:17:20,784 --> 01:17:22,625
and seen it in other crops. So it's

2058
01:17:22,625 --> 01:17:25,664
it's really, kind of fun that there's,

2059
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:29,039
more than one dimension to all of this

2060
01:17:29,039 --> 01:17:32,079
and, those beyond our understanding so far as

2061
01:17:32,079 --> 01:17:32,579
well.

2062
01:17:33,359 --> 01:17:35,679
So at what point in the process would

2063
01:17:35,679 --> 01:17:36,179
you,

2064
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:38,500
choose

2065
01:17:39,114 --> 01:17:42,474
to spray the IPMO, and when do you

2066
01:17:42,474 --> 01:17:45,514
stop? So I'm looking for when start, when

2067
01:17:45,514 --> 01:17:46,814
stop, and how often.

2068
01:17:48,635 --> 01:17:49,135
So

2069
01:17:49,914 --> 01:17:50,654
if your,

2070
01:17:50,954 --> 01:17:51,454
yeah,

2071
01:17:52,530 --> 01:17:54,449
If your pest is,

2072
01:17:55,250 --> 01:17:56,869
has a ground dwelling phase,

2073
01:17:57,970 --> 01:18:00,609
you're pretty safe to just apply a solid

2074
01:18:00,609 --> 01:18:01,510
state IPMO,

2075
01:18:02,210 --> 01:18:04,390
which is a little more expensive per application,

2076
01:18:04,689 --> 01:18:06,130
but you don't need to apply it very

2077
01:18:06,130 --> 01:18:06,630
often.

2078
01:18:07,135 --> 01:18:09,454
Your plant health's gonna go up. Their immune

2079
01:18:09,454 --> 01:18:10,835
response is gonna go up.

2080
01:18:11,614 --> 01:18:12,354
If you're,

2081
01:18:13,614 --> 01:18:16,414
dealing with or seeing the possibility of that

2082
01:18:16,414 --> 01:18:16,914
foliar,

2083
01:18:19,135 --> 01:18:19,635
pest,

2084
01:18:21,289 --> 01:18:23,869
Maybe it doesn't have a ground dwelling phase,

2085
01:18:24,010 --> 01:18:25,550
then a weekly application,

2086
01:18:26,010 --> 01:18:28,170
especially if it's already showing up. A weekly

2087
01:18:28,170 --> 01:18:30,569
application is kind of the SOP, so you're

2088
01:18:30,569 --> 01:18:31,390
fine weekly

2089
01:18:31,850 --> 01:18:34,590
or biweekly. If you want to go serious,

2090
01:18:34,649 --> 01:18:35,390
go hard.

2091
01:18:36,524 --> 01:18:37,024
If,

2092
01:18:38,204 --> 01:18:39,585
if everything's copacetic,

2093
01:18:40,284 --> 01:18:41,265
you know, applying,

2094
01:18:42,284 --> 01:18:43,984
every other week or

2095
01:18:44,284 --> 01:18:45,344
applying monthly,

2096
01:18:46,685 --> 01:18:49,164
can be a thing. I would say that

2097
01:18:49,164 --> 01:18:50,145
a IPMO,

2098
01:18:51,039 --> 01:18:52,979
if you're worried about killing beneficials,

2099
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:55,699
could be something that you do,

2100
01:18:57,679 --> 01:18:58,500
as needed

2101
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:00,340
or that you do,

2102
01:19:00,719 --> 01:19:01,219
monthly.

2103
01:19:02,159 --> 01:19:03,300
Whereas an

2104
01:19:03,655 --> 01:19:06,614
IMO, a liquid IMO, maybe where you don't

2105
01:19:06,614 --> 01:19:09,095
have that in, is something I wouldn't worry

2106
01:19:09,095 --> 01:19:11,095
about at all. Meaning, you could apply it

2107
01:19:11,095 --> 01:19:13,595
every week. You're gonna get the nutritive response.

2108
01:19:13,895 --> 01:19:14,555
So there's,

2109
01:19:15,414 --> 01:19:16,074
a nutrient

2110
01:19:16,539 --> 01:19:19,020
quality in IMO or liquid IMO. There's a

2111
01:19:19,020 --> 01:19:20,719
bunch of food in the water.

2112
01:19:21,500 --> 01:19:23,899
So you're feeding them. You're giving them their

2113
01:19:23,899 --> 01:19:24,399
probiotics.

2114
01:19:25,020 --> 01:19:26,319
You're preventing disease,

2115
01:19:27,500 --> 01:19:29,760
by coating their tissue

2116
01:19:30,060 --> 01:19:30,560
in

2117
01:19:30,984 --> 01:19:33,005
beneficial life, which outcompetes

2118
01:19:33,305 --> 01:19:34,685
or takes up the territory

2119
01:19:35,064 --> 01:19:36,284
preventing the vacuum.

2120
01:19:37,704 --> 01:19:40,104
Nature doesn't tolerate the vacuum. So preventing the

2121
01:19:40,104 --> 01:19:40,604
vacuum,

2122
01:19:41,064 --> 01:19:42,604
which would allow another,

2123
01:19:44,104 --> 01:19:45,085
something like

2124
01:19:46,670 --> 01:19:47,649
powdery mildew.

2125
01:19:48,109 --> 01:19:50,289
By applying IMO, you have this

2126
01:19:50,670 --> 01:19:51,810
protected leaf.

2127
01:19:53,310 --> 01:19:54,130
I have

2128
01:19:55,550 --> 01:19:56,530
in my opinion,

2129
01:19:57,229 --> 01:19:59,470
as a farmer that has to pay for

2130
01:19:59,470 --> 01:19:59,895
things,

2131
01:20:00,375 --> 01:20:01,914
and my bottom line matters,

2132
01:20:02,694 --> 01:20:04,875
if I can make this,

2133
01:20:05,654 --> 01:20:06,314
you know,

2134
01:20:06,694 --> 01:20:07,194
extremely

2135
01:20:07,654 --> 01:20:08,154
inexpensive

2136
01:20:09,494 --> 01:20:10,635
liquid application,

2137
01:20:11,814 --> 01:20:13,435
pest prevention, and,

2138
01:20:14,534 --> 01:20:15,435
plant health,

2139
01:20:16,510 --> 01:20:17,010
spray,

2140
01:20:19,149 --> 01:20:20,369
and I get to

2141
01:20:20,829 --> 01:20:21,329
not

2142
01:20:22,350 --> 01:20:23,489
pay $800

2143
01:20:24,270 --> 01:20:25,010
a box

2144
01:20:25,630 --> 01:20:27,170
for my monthly

2145
01:20:28,145 --> 01:20:30,164
Rove beetle or whatever,

2146
01:20:30,864 --> 01:20:32,805
then I'm stoked. Yeah.

2147
01:20:33,425 --> 01:20:35,905
That's that's kind of where I've come to.

2148
01:20:35,905 --> 01:20:36,405
But,

2149
01:20:37,265 --> 01:20:40,704
I also have experienced that the living soil

2150
01:20:40,704 --> 01:20:41,204
guys,

2151
01:20:41,610 --> 01:20:44,750
both indoor and outdoor are still have thriving,

2152
01:20:45,930 --> 01:20:48,670
bug ecosystems. The pill bugs are still going,

2153
01:20:48,970 --> 01:20:49,369
you know?

2154
01:20:50,329 --> 01:20:52,329
Well, maybe not as much of the pill

2155
01:20:52,329 --> 01:20:52,829
bugs.

2156
01:20:53,210 --> 01:20:54,750
Some of those get eaten too.

2157
01:20:55,545 --> 01:20:58,025
But you're you're you're still you're still seeing

2158
01:20:58,025 --> 01:20:59,005
abundant life,

2159
01:20:59,625 --> 01:21:00,125
and,

2160
01:21:00,985 --> 01:21:01,465
the,

2161
01:21:03,145 --> 01:21:04,045
the indoor,

2162
01:21:05,385 --> 01:21:07,864
soil in that Colorado farm,

2163
01:21:09,510 --> 01:21:10,729
when I did some,

2164
01:21:12,550 --> 01:21:13,449
soil analysis,

2165
01:21:14,470 --> 01:21:17,109
last time I was there, is the most

2166
01:21:17,109 --> 01:21:17,609
diverse

2167
01:21:17,909 --> 01:21:18,970
soil samples

2168
01:21:19,510 --> 01:21:20,550
I have ever looked at under a microscope.

2169
01:21:20,550 --> 01:21:20,710
And I've been looking under a microscope at

2170
01:21:20,710 --> 01:21:21,965
soil, lot

2171
01:21:22,505 --> 01:21:22,737
of different places and different places in the

2172
01:21:22,737 --> 01:21:23,324
world, different types of

2173
01:21:24,984 --> 01:21:25,484
crops,

2174
01:21:37,739 --> 01:21:37,899
and,

2175
01:21:39,340 --> 01:21:42,300
just stuff we put together with compost and

2176
01:21:42,300 --> 01:21:43,359
IMO applications

2177
01:21:44,219 --> 01:21:47,039
is the most diverse material I've ever seen.

2178
01:21:47,500 --> 01:21:47,979
And,

2179
01:21:49,585 --> 01:21:52,944
it's because of diverse collections. We had every

2180
01:21:52,944 --> 01:21:55,045
time we did IMO, there was 20

2181
01:21:55,664 --> 01:21:56,164
plus,

2182
01:21:56,784 --> 01:21:59,104
different IMO twos that went into the the

2183
01:21:59,104 --> 01:22:01,685
batches, and and, really, it's self perpetuated

2184
01:22:02,064 --> 01:22:03,989
and and stayed living. So,

2185
01:22:05,329 --> 01:22:07,810
Yeah. I mean, I I, Yeah. I don't

2186
01:22:07,810 --> 01:22:09,489
know. I don't know. The the bottom line

2187
01:22:09,489 --> 01:22:11,890
is I don't know the answer to what

2188
01:22:11,890 --> 01:22:12,630
your beneficial,

2189
01:22:13,570 --> 01:22:16,130
life is gonna look like and and, how

2190
01:22:16,130 --> 01:22:18,435
to find that balance, but I'm down to

2191
01:22:18,435 --> 01:22:19,654
pursue it with the community

2192
01:22:19,954 --> 01:22:22,034
if people have ideas. And yet you've been

2193
01:22:22,034 --> 01:22:24,914
doing this for going on a decade, and

2194
01:22:24,914 --> 01:22:26,835
you still have plenty of life in your

2195
01:22:26,835 --> 01:22:29,154
living soil. So it's like you might not

2196
01:22:29,154 --> 01:22:30,215
know why

2197
01:22:30,850 --> 01:22:32,770
why it's happening, but you know that it

2198
01:22:32,770 --> 01:22:35,190
is happening. You're you're you're you're not, like,

2199
01:22:35,570 --> 01:22:38,390
nuking any of these pots. You're actually encouraging

2200
01:22:38,530 --> 01:22:41,829
life in these pots, just not with carapace,

2201
01:22:43,984 --> 01:22:46,784
insects. Yeah. Yeah. And and we're we're not

2202
01:22:46,944 --> 01:22:48,244
we're also getting,

2203
01:22:49,185 --> 01:22:51,104
you know, we're not we're not seeing aphids

2204
01:22:51,104 --> 01:22:53,045
or or things that aren't carapace.

2205
01:22:53,585 --> 01:22:54,085
Mhmm.

2206
01:22:54,545 --> 01:22:57,024
Do you do you agree that the the

2207
01:22:57,024 --> 01:22:59,060
time or I'm just guessing since I haven't

2208
01:22:59,060 --> 01:23:00,739
done this, but is the time to stop

2209
01:23:00,739 --> 01:23:03,960
week 4 of flower like like most, foliars?

2210
01:23:05,220 --> 01:23:05,960
For me,

2211
01:23:07,859 --> 01:23:10,520
I think if you are not

2212
01:23:11,185 --> 01:23:12,404
doing, microbial

2213
01:23:13,744 --> 01:23:14,244
testing,

2214
01:23:16,304 --> 01:23:17,444
microbial testing,

2215
01:23:18,704 --> 01:23:20,885
you know, prevents us from

2216
01:23:21,425 --> 01:23:23,104
weird stuff that,

2217
01:23:23,505 --> 01:23:24,225
builds up,

2218
01:23:25,180 --> 01:23:28,079
the dust in a dirty environment causing,

2219
01:23:30,300 --> 01:23:30,960
a funk

2220
01:23:31,260 --> 01:23:32,239
to happen,

2221
01:23:33,020 --> 01:23:34,640
or due to humidity,

2222
01:23:36,149 --> 01:23:36,649
proper

2223
01:23:37,875 --> 01:23:39,814
decomposition molds happening

2224
01:23:40,194 --> 01:23:41,014
in flower,

2225
01:23:41,875 --> 01:23:43,255
that can make us sick.

2226
01:23:44,434 --> 01:23:47,175
Fresh applied liquid IMO, a balanced,

2227
01:23:48,354 --> 01:23:49,574
microbial community

2228
01:23:49,954 --> 01:23:52,514
with LAB doing the cleanup and all this

2229
01:23:52,514 --> 01:23:53,335
stuff that,

2230
01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:55,640
it just means there will be,

2231
01:23:56,039 --> 01:23:58,219
colony forming units. It doesn't mean,

2232
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:01,739
that they're gonna make us sick. So,

2233
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:03,340
the

2234
01:24:06,524 --> 01:24:09,005
the right before harvest or a couple of

2235
01:24:09,005 --> 01:24:10,064
weeks before harvest,

2236
01:24:11,085 --> 01:24:11,585
is,

2237
01:24:12,204 --> 01:24:13,505
as far as like

2238
01:24:13,885 --> 01:24:15,965
not having a bunch of stuff that could

2239
01:24:15,965 --> 01:24:17,585
affect your flavor or anything,

2240
01:24:18,604 --> 01:24:21,149
would be what I'd say. You don't wanna

2241
01:24:21,369 --> 01:24:23,389
apply it and then harvest the next day

2242
01:24:23,529 --> 01:24:24,029
because

2243
01:24:24,649 --> 01:24:26,590
without the plant being alive,

2244
01:24:27,130 --> 01:24:31,050
it's not working with microbes and, you know,

2245
01:24:31,050 --> 01:24:31,949
doing symbiosis

2246
01:24:32,250 --> 01:24:32,909
with them.

2247
01:24:33,255 --> 01:24:35,735
Now the microbes are just there without the

2248
01:24:35,735 --> 01:24:38,235
exits of the plant coming out there,

2249
01:24:38,774 --> 01:24:40,795
leaf tissue in the mornings, etcetera.

2250
01:24:41,175 --> 01:24:43,175
You don't have a thriving ecosystem. So you

2251
01:24:43,175 --> 01:24:46,215
don't wanna take a hanging plant and spray

2252
01:24:46,215 --> 01:24:48,579
a bunch of liquid IMO on it because

2253
01:24:48,579 --> 01:24:50,279
now you're you're pursuing

2254
01:24:50,579 --> 01:24:51,079
composting

2255
01:24:51,859 --> 01:24:54,180
of that plant, not symbiosis. Does that make

2256
01:24:54,180 --> 01:24:55,560
sense? Yeah. Yeah. I follow.

2257
01:24:56,500 --> 01:24:58,739
And so the the answer is is kinda

2258
01:24:58,739 --> 01:25:00,260
like the same way it is with everything

2259
01:25:00,260 --> 01:25:02,260
we spray is that when your flowers get

2260
01:25:02,260 --> 01:25:03,765
thick enough where you're

2261
01:25:04,244 --> 01:25:05,925
just making them wet and you could be

2262
01:25:05,925 --> 01:25:06,425
causing

2263
01:25:06,805 --> 01:25:08,905
molds and other things, stop.

2264
01:25:09,685 --> 01:25:12,505
So, you know, as soon as the flowers

2265
01:25:12,564 --> 01:25:15,204
are going to grab onto whatever you spray

2266
01:25:15,204 --> 01:25:16,185
on it and

2267
01:25:16,570 --> 01:25:18,729
and tuck it away inside its folds, it's

2268
01:25:18,729 --> 01:25:20,350
it's the time to stop spraying.

2269
01:25:20,890 --> 01:25:22,989
Well, I I might I might disagree

2270
01:25:23,449 --> 01:25:26,350
with that with that. I I I appreciate

2271
01:25:26,409 --> 01:25:26,909
that

2272
01:25:27,369 --> 01:25:30,270
you're bringing in a a concise answer for

2273
01:25:30,505 --> 01:25:33,145
the listener, but I, I maybe wanna leave

2274
01:25:33,145 --> 01:25:34,125
it a little more

2275
01:25:34,505 --> 01:25:37,465
vague because if you have good material, meaning

2276
01:25:37,465 --> 01:25:37,965
like,

2277
01:25:38,585 --> 01:25:41,565
a, a actual healthy liquid IMO or

2278
01:25:41,945 --> 01:25:44,664
good lactic acid bacteria in going in in

2279
01:25:44,664 --> 01:25:45,405
your watering,

2280
01:25:46,489 --> 01:25:47,869
that's going to actually,

2281
01:25:48,969 --> 01:25:51,229
often act as a cleaning agent,

2282
01:25:52,489 --> 01:25:52,989
tidying

2283
01:25:53,289 --> 01:25:53,789
and

2284
01:25:54,170 --> 01:25:57,310
making fresh, you know, stuff that is healthy

2285
01:25:57,449 --> 01:25:59,635
alive, like our bigger organisms,

2286
01:26:00,094 --> 01:26:03,074
they make fresh. They keep the funk away,

2287
01:26:03,215 --> 01:26:05,475
if you will. They are the prevention to

2288
01:26:05,694 --> 01:26:07,135
the bad mold.

2289
01:26:07,694 --> 01:26:08,194
And

2290
01:26:08,895 --> 01:26:10,734
so as long as you're doing it well,

2291
01:26:10,734 --> 01:26:13,680
you're not cutting corners. You are in fact,

2292
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:15,140
producing a material,

2293
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:18,479
then it's really not going to hurt a

2294
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:19,460
living plant.

2295
01:26:20,079 --> 01:26:21,199
It's going to,

2296
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:22,979
enliven and help.

2297
01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:26,340
And I have my best friend.

2298
01:26:28,045 --> 01:26:30,604
He's no longer farming cannabis, but he did

2299
01:26:30,604 --> 01:26:32,125
for 15 years. And,

2300
01:26:33,244 --> 01:26:36,204
he he sprayed right up to a couple

2301
01:26:36,204 --> 01:26:37,345
weeks before harvest,

2302
01:26:38,204 --> 01:26:39,104
on his outdoor,

2303
01:26:40,350 --> 01:26:43,710
for 4 seasons or 4 years,

2304
01:26:44,110 --> 01:26:45,170
and had

2305
01:26:46,110 --> 01:26:47,090
just amazing,

2306
01:26:47,550 --> 01:26:48,610
amazing results.

2307
01:26:49,310 --> 01:26:51,729
And the Colorado farm

2308
01:26:52,110 --> 01:26:54,050
has to cut off going into

2309
01:26:54,885 --> 01:26:57,385
flower because Colorado is so

2310
01:26:58,244 --> 01:27:02,164
intense with colony forming units that basically they're

2311
01:27:02,164 --> 01:27:04,725
saying you have to be producing cannabis in

2312
01:27:04,725 --> 01:27:07,204
a sterile manner, meaning you have to be

2313
01:27:07,204 --> 01:27:08,744
killing all things

2314
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:11,780
or you won't pass our regs.

2315
01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:13,060
And so

2316
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:16,500
for them, yeah, cut off. Definitely

2317
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:19,220
find a way to pass those regs.

2318
01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:23,539
For the outdoor Washington farmer,

2319
01:27:24,195 --> 01:27:26,935
he's stoked that his plants are

2320
01:27:27,395 --> 01:27:30,675
disease free and bug free because he he's

2321
01:27:30,675 --> 01:27:32,835
got a a functioning protocol, and he never

2322
01:27:32,835 --> 01:27:35,234
had mold. Mhmm. So, yeah, it's it's,

2323
01:27:36,199 --> 01:27:38,520
it kinda depends on your environment and,

2324
01:27:39,239 --> 01:27:42,119
and really what is the material you're producing.

2325
01:27:42,119 --> 01:27:44,840
If you're cutting corners and you're making witch's

2326
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:47,260
brew and calling it Chris's liquid IMO,

2327
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:48,380
then,

2328
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:51,079
yes, I would say absolutely do not spray

2329
01:27:51,079 --> 01:27:52,465
that at all in flower.

2330
01:27:52,844 --> 01:27:55,184
And one other thing, Shango, this is important.

2331
01:27:56,524 --> 01:27:57,505
Are you producing

2332
01:27:58,045 --> 01:28:00,784
a are you trying to feed your plants

2333
01:28:01,244 --> 01:28:02,064
with a

2334
01:28:02,444 --> 01:28:03,425
foliar spray

2335
01:28:03,885 --> 01:28:06,764
or are you trying to produce microbes with

2336
01:28:06,764 --> 01:28:08,369
the foliar spray? Mhmm.

2337
01:28:08,989 --> 01:28:11,489
So if you're putting a bunch of food

2338
01:28:12,189 --> 01:28:13,329
in your,

2339
01:28:14,029 --> 01:28:15,090
to make tea

2340
01:28:15,550 --> 01:28:17,390
and you're trying to break down that food

2341
01:28:17,390 --> 01:28:18,529
so it's plant available,

2342
01:28:19,229 --> 01:28:20,770
that is now

2343
01:28:21,435 --> 01:28:22,734
compostable material,

2344
01:28:23,194 --> 01:28:23,694
unprocessed

2345
01:28:24,395 --> 01:28:25,614
nitrogen, unprocessed

2346
01:28:26,554 --> 01:28:27,054
nutrients,

2347
01:28:27,514 --> 01:28:29,675
and those getting into the crevices of your

2348
01:28:29,675 --> 01:28:30,175
flowers

2349
01:28:30,715 --> 01:28:33,994
now need to compost or be further broken

2350
01:28:33,994 --> 01:28:37,020
down. That will, can putrefy on your plant.

2351
01:28:37,479 --> 01:28:37,979
And,

2352
01:28:38,439 --> 01:28:40,600
and so if you're, so this is my

2353
01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:41,340
big clarification.

2354
01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:43,960
Is it a food tea or is it

2355
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:45,640
a microbe tea? If you're doing a really

2356
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:48,119
great job and it's really lightweight, meaning you're

2357
01:28:48,119 --> 01:28:49,900
not putting a bunch of foods in it,

2358
01:28:50,215 --> 01:28:51,914
it's just for producing microbes,

2359
01:28:52,215 --> 01:28:54,935
that's there's no buildup. But if you're putting

2360
01:28:54,935 --> 01:28:57,414
a bunch of, like, food stuff, like, you're

2361
01:28:57,414 --> 01:28:59,255
adding these things that people say are a

2362
01:28:59,255 --> 01:28:59,914
good idea,

2363
01:29:00,375 --> 01:29:02,875
now that goes on, it's not fully processed.

2364
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:05,600
It's gonna process on your plant material, and

2365
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:06,739
it's gonna rot.

2366
01:29:07,119 --> 01:29:08,180
Mhmm. Wow.

2367
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:11,760
I can't believe that that I've I have

2368
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:15,539
interviewed so many people about spraying nutrition foliarly,

2369
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:18,000
and this has never come up, that this

2370
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:21,045
this this nitrogen residue on the plant is

2371
01:29:21,045 --> 01:29:21,864
going to

2372
01:29:22,484 --> 01:29:25,704
eventually compost on your plant and and create

2373
01:29:25,844 --> 01:29:26,344
a,

2374
01:29:26,965 --> 01:29:28,104
funky ass environment.

2375
01:29:28,645 --> 01:29:29,145
Mhmm.

2376
01:29:31,109 --> 01:29:32,090
Alright. Well,

2377
01:29:33,029 --> 01:29:34,389
might as well go to commercial. I'm not

2378
01:29:34,389 --> 01:29:36,329
gonna be able to top that one. So,

2379
01:29:36,949 --> 01:29:39,829
let's, let's continue this conversation when we come

2380
01:29:39,829 --> 01:29:40,329
back.

2381
01:29:40,710 --> 01:29:42,789
You are listening to Shaping Fire, and my

2382
01:29:42,789 --> 01:29:46,274
guest today is natural farming innovator, Chris Trump.

2383
01:29:49,074 --> 01:29:51,395
One of the challenges with buying autoflower seeds

2384
01:29:51,395 --> 01:29:53,314
is that often you'll have as many different

2385
01:29:53,314 --> 01:29:55,154
phenos as you will have seeds in a

2386
01:29:55,154 --> 01:29:55,654
pack.

2387
01:29:55,954 --> 01:29:58,435
That can be fun. Sure. But so many

2388
01:29:58,435 --> 01:30:00,515
varieties in one pack is a sign of

2389
01:30:00,515 --> 01:30:02,779
an immature seed line that hasn't been worked

2390
01:30:02,779 --> 01:30:03,279
enough.

2391
01:30:03,979 --> 01:30:06,300
I prefer my autoflowers to be worked enough

2392
01:30:06,300 --> 01:30:08,539
that each fino in the pack really captures

2393
01:30:08,539 --> 01:30:10,399
the aspects that the breeder was intending.

2394
01:30:11,420 --> 01:30:12,719
This is why I recommend

2395
01:30:13,099 --> 01:30:15,375
gnome automatics to my friends and listeners who

2396
01:30:15,375 --> 01:30:17,635
grow automatic flowering cannabis seeds.

2397
01:30:18,414 --> 01:30:20,734
Gnome automatic seeds are not just crossed and

2398
01:30:20,734 --> 01:30:21,234
released,

2399
01:30:21,534 --> 01:30:24,895
they are painstakingly sifted again and again, tested

2400
01:30:24,895 --> 01:30:26,354
in a wide range of conditions,

2401
01:30:26,689 --> 01:30:28,770
and taken to a level of maturity that

2402
01:30:28,770 --> 01:30:31,270
each plant will be recognizable by its traits.

2403
01:30:31,969 --> 01:30:34,050
Traits that were hard earned so that you

2404
01:30:34,050 --> 01:30:36,149
can have your best growth cycle ever.

2405
01:30:36,929 --> 01:30:39,969
Over the last 10 years, Nome Automatics founder

2406
01:30:39,969 --> 01:30:41,519
Dan Jimmy has become a trusted breeder and

2407
01:30:41,519 --> 01:30:41,835
he continues to pour his passion of

2408
01:30:44,314 --> 01:30:47,274
breeding cannabis into every variety he releases for

2409
01:30:47,274 --> 01:30:48,094
you to grow.

2410
01:30:48,875 --> 01:30:51,135
Check out the gnome automatics instagram

2411
01:30:51,515 --> 01:30:52,335
at gnome_automatics

2412
01:30:54,074 --> 01:30:56,494
to see the impressive plants folks are growing.

2413
01:30:57,260 --> 01:31:00,000
You can score gnome automatic seeds in feminized

2414
01:31:00,060 --> 01:31:02,699
or regular at your favorite seed provider listed

2415
01:31:02,699 --> 01:31:04,560
in the vendor section of their website.

2416
01:31:05,420 --> 01:31:08,060
Commercial cannabis farms across the country love growing

2417
01:31:08,060 --> 01:31:11,180
gnome automatics because of their consistency from seed

2418
01:31:11,180 --> 01:31:11,920
to seed,

2419
01:31:12,304 --> 01:31:13,444
short grow times,

2420
01:31:13,824 --> 01:31:14,885
THC percentages,

2421
01:31:15,344 --> 01:31:16,804
and colorful bag appeal.

2422
01:31:17,344 --> 01:31:19,505
Farms interested in bulk seeds of more than

2423
01:31:19,505 --> 01:31:22,085
a1000 should reach out through gnomeautomatics.com.

2424
01:31:24,510 --> 01:31:26,189
While on the website, be sure to check

2425
01:31:26,189 --> 01:31:28,670
out the gnome automatic shirts and other merch

2426
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section too.

2427
01:31:30,109 --> 01:31:32,989
If you want reliable seeds, hand built from

2428
01:31:32,989 --> 01:31:35,409
effort, expert selection, and experience,

2429
01:31:35,949 --> 01:31:37,170
choose gnomeautomatics.

2430
01:31:40,965 --> 01:31:42,565
After you've caught up on the latest Shaping

2431
01:31:42,565 --> 01:31:44,485
Fire episodes, do you sometimes wish there was

2432
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2433
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2435
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2436
01:31:54,340 --> 01:31:56,100
panels, I always record them and bring the

2437
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2440
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2441
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2442
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2443
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2444
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2445
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2446
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Rutherford on solventless

2447
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extraction.

2448
01:32:24,189 --> 01:32:26,609
And Jeff Lowenfell's on the soil food web.

2449
01:32:26,829 --> 01:32:29,310
There are several presentations from doctor Ethan Russo

2450
01:32:29,310 --> 01:32:30,609
on terpenes and the endocannabinoid

2451
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2452
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2455
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2456
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2461
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lows or click on the link in the

2462
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2463
01:32:59,989 --> 01:33:02,085
Sometimes the topics I wanna share with you

2464
01:33:02,085 --> 01:33:03,925
are far too brief for an entire Shaping

2465
01:33:03,925 --> 01:33:06,805
Fire episode. In those instances, I post them

2466
01:33:06,805 --> 01:33:07,465
to Instagram.

2467
01:33:07,845 --> 01:33:09,864
I invite you to follow my 2 Instagram

2468
01:33:09,925 --> 01:33:11,864
profiles and participate online.

2469
01:33:12,324 --> 01:33:15,045
The Shaping Fire Instagram has follow-up post to

2470
01:33:15,045 --> 01:33:16,265
Shaping Fire episodes,

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01:33:16,760 --> 01:33:20,219
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2472
01:33:20,279 --> 01:33:22,300
of course, gorgeous flower photos.

2473
01:33:22,600 --> 01:33:25,000
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2474
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:28,199
cannabis garden tours, my successes and failures in

2475
01:33:28,199 --> 01:33:29,020
my own garden,

2476
01:33:29,435 --> 01:33:32,335
insights and best practices from personal grows everywhere,

2477
01:33:32,635 --> 01:33:35,994
and always gorgeous flower photos. On both profiles,

2478
01:33:35,994 --> 01:33:37,755
the emphasis is on sharing what I've learned

2479
01:33:37,755 --> 01:33:39,275
in a way that you can replicate it

2480
01:33:39,275 --> 01:33:41,835
in your own garden, your own HashLab, or

2481
01:33:41,835 --> 01:33:43,695
for your own cannabinoid path.

2482
01:33:44,020 --> 01:33:46,260
So I encourage you to follow at shaping

2483
01:33:46,260 --> 01:33:48,819
fire and at shango lows and join our

2484
01:33:48,819 --> 01:33:50,600
online community on Instagram.

2485
01:33:52,100 --> 01:33:54,340
Welcome back. You are listening to shaping fire.

2486
01:33:54,340 --> 01:33:56,260
I am your host shango lows. And my

2487
01:33:56,260 --> 01:33:59,319
guest today is natural farming innovator, Chris Trump.

2488
01:33:59,854 --> 01:34:01,695
So, Chris, during the break, I was thinking

2489
01:34:01,775 --> 01:34:02,595
and, you know,

2490
01:34:03,375 --> 01:34:04,275
I got me wondering

2491
01:34:04,735 --> 01:34:07,875
if if we're going to spray the IPMO

2492
01:34:08,494 --> 01:34:10,675
on our cannabis plants and,

2493
01:34:11,854 --> 01:34:13,635
the the the

2494
01:34:14,414 --> 01:34:15,155
the allied

2495
01:34:15,829 --> 01:34:17,989
fungus that we're working with is on the

2496
01:34:17,989 --> 01:34:18,489
plant

2497
01:34:19,189 --> 01:34:19,670
and,

2498
01:34:20,789 --> 01:34:23,429
and then it it it kills these pests,

2499
01:34:23,429 --> 01:34:25,849
whatever they are, and they turn into little

2500
01:34:26,229 --> 01:34:28,710
fungal puff balls like they did in the

2501
01:34:28,710 --> 01:34:30,954
IMO that we were talking about. Is this

2502
01:34:30,954 --> 01:34:33,835
gonna leave, like, little puffy carapaces all over

2503
01:34:33,835 --> 01:34:34,494
our plants?

2504
01:34:36,635 --> 01:34:38,895
I mean, if you have a major outbreak

2505
01:34:39,275 --> 01:34:41,835
of a pest and it is all over

2506
01:34:41,835 --> 01:34:42,494
your plants,

2507
01:34:43,675 --> 01:34:46,335
in some way, you're going to need to

2508
01:34:47,969 --> 01:34:49,909
get that off. And so

2509
01:34:50,289 --> 01:34:52,609
hopefully, you have enough time. Maybe you're doing

2510
01:34:52,609 --> 01:34:53,590
foliar watering.

2511
01:34:54,289 --> 01:34:54,689
But,

2512
01:34:55,250 --> 01:34:58,369
yeah, I mean, insect buildup in a sticky

2513
01:34:58,369 --> 01:34:58,869
flower

2514
01:34:59,409 --> 01:35:00,389
is a

2515
01:35:01,734 --> 01:35:04,295
Bad scene, man. Is a bad scene. Yeah.

2516
01:35:04,295 --> 01:35:06,614
I mean, even even overuse of,

2517
01:35:07,335 --> 01:35:10,555
ladybugs is a major problem for people

2518
01:35:11,015 --> 01:35:12,854
as far as buildup goes or as far

2519
01:35:12,854 --> 01:35:13,354
as

2520
01:35:15,849 --> 01:35:18,809
insect residue and and can cause real problems.

2521
01:35:18,809 --> 01:35:20,409
So overuse of,

2522
01:35:20,729 --> 01:35:22,349
human beneficials. But,

2523
01:35:22,889 --> 01:35:23,710
no, the,

2524
01:35:25,050 --> 01:35:26,349
excuse me, the,

2525
01:35:29,304 --> 01:35:30,045
the puffball,

2526
01:35:32,104 --> 01:35:35,224
is going to be a really short lived

2527
01:35:35,224 --> 01:35:35,724
bloom,

2528
01:35:36,264 --> 01:35:38,364
and then that will fall apart.

2529
01:35:38,984 --> 01:35:39,484
And,

2530
01:35:40,220 --> 01:35:42,000
and as far and and the

2531
01:35:42,380 --> 01:35:43,360
insect itself,

2532
01:35:43,900 --> 01:35:45,360
if it has been predated,

2533
01:35:46,780 --> 01:35:48,079
by a fungi,

2534
01:35:49,500 --> 01:35:52,699
the insect will fall apart much easier or

2535
01:35:52,699 --> 01:35:53,199
or

2536
01:35:54,925 --> 01:35:55,425
dissolve,

2537
01:35:56,765 --> 01:35:57,585
more likely

2538
01:35:58,284 --> 01:35:59,564
to happen if it has,

2539
01:36:01,244 --> 01:36:04,524
encountered a fungi that, that attacks it. So,

2540
01:36:04,844 --> 01:36:06,784
you're probably in a better

2541
01:36:07,164 --> 01:36:07,664
scenario,

2542
01:36:09,420 --> 01:36:11,600
if they've been killed, first of all,

2543
01:36:11,979 --> 01:36:13,439
than if they're all there,

2544
01:36:14,219 --> 01:36:16,300
and it's gonna be easier for,

2545
01:36:17,659 --> 01:36:18,800
some degree of,

2546
01:36:19,100 --> 01:36:21,579
you know, shaking off or or fully your

2547
01:36:21,579 --> 01:36:22,005
wash.

2548
01:36:22,404 --> 01:36:24,244
Right on. It sounds to me like there's

2549
01:36:24,244 --> 01:36:26,425
like there's like 3 layers of

2550
01:36:26,965 --> 01:36:29,685
of use. It's like number 1, ipmo is

2551
01:36:29,685 --> 01:36:31,524
going to be far best used as a

2552
01:36:31,524 --> 01:36:32,024
preventative

2553
01:36:32,725 --> 01:36:34,824
because then you don't have to deal

2554
01:36:35,125 --> 01:36:37,760
with all of the adult pests,

2555
01:36:38,300 --> 01:36:40,460
fuzzballed and having to, you know, clean up

2556
01:36:40,460 --> 01:36:42,859
the evidence. Right? So do everything as a

2557
01:36:42,859 --> 01:36:45,020
preventative is gonna be better. And then our

2558
01:36:45,020 --> 01:36:47,260
secondary is that, oh, I've I've got an

2559
01:36:47,260 --> 01:36:49,600
outbreak. I'm experiencing pest pressure.

2560
01:36:50,935 --> 01:36:53,095
And then you, you know, you're using it

2561
01:36:53,095 --> 01:36:55,655
as a foliar and and maybe even as

2562
01:36:55,655 --> 01:36:58,475
a soil drench if they've got a, soil

2563
01:36:58,614 --> 01:36:59,675
period of life.

2564
01:37:00,135 --> 01:37:02,555
And, you know, hopefully, they will,

2565
01:37:02,970 --> 01:37:05,770
you know fall fall off the plant I

2566
01:37:05,770 --> 01:37:08,090
hope it's in veg for you or or

2567
01:37:08,090 --> 01:37:10,409
maybe you're picking them off by hand something

2568
01:37:10,409 --> 01:37:12,090
like that and but at least they're dead

2569
01:37:12,090 --> 01:37:12,590
right

2570
01:37:12,970 --> 01:37:15,130
but then your third version is you've got

2571
01:37:15,130 --> 01:37:17,585
an outbreak. Right? You've got spider mites that

2572
01:37:17,585 --> 01:37:19,664
are building tents on your plants, and that's

2573
01:37:19,664 --> 01:37:22,065
just about being a big kid and realizing

2574
01:37:22,065 --> 01:37:25,265
that plants gotta be removed. Right? And so

2575
01:37:25,265 --> 01:37:28,199
really you're you're trying to save the rest

2576
01:37:28,360 --> 01:37:29,260
of the crop

2577
01:37:29,720 --> 01:37:31,180
by getting rid of these,

2578
01:37:32,440 --> 01:37:34,840
pests so that they don't spread and or

2579
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:37,640
put down like serious anchor roots in your

2580
01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:38,860
cultivation location.

2581
01:37:39,400 --> 01:37:42,354
So so, you know, is this spray a

2582
01:37:42,354 --> 01:37:42,854
panacea?

2583
01:37:44,195 --> 01:37:45,875
It is. And if you if if you'd

2584
01:37:45,875 --> 01:37:46,935
use it as a preventative,

2585
01:37:47,314 --> 01:37:49,175
but if you're using it after,

2586
01:37:49,715 --> 01:37:51,555
you know, your pest has already taken over

2587
01:37:51,555 --> 01:37:52,295
your plants,

2588
01:37:52,755 --> 01:37:54,994
the plant very well may be done. So

2589
01:37:54,994 --> 01:37:57,420
so, you know, be mature about what you

2590
01:37:57,420 --> 01:37:57,920
expect

2591
01:37:58,460 --> 01:38:01,439
the the IPMO to do versus

2592
01:38:01,819 --> 01:38:04,399
how colonized your plants are with the enemy.

2593
01:38:05,500 --> 01:38:07,279
Yeah. And and the IPMO,

2594
01:38:07,739 --> 01:38:08,239
like,

2595
01:38:09,064 --> 01:38:11,484
process takes time. So if you're

2596
01:38:12,024 --> 01:38:15,145
in, like, freak out, you know, takeover, you're

2597
01:38:15,145 --> 01:38:17,465
you're probably not gonna wanna spend a couple

2598
01:38:17,465 --> 01:38:17,965
weeks,

2599
01:38:18,744 --> 01:38:21,385
3 weeks, you know, getting all set up

2600
01:38:21,385 --> 01:38:24,039
to be spraying I IPMO if you haven't

2601
01:38:24,039 --> 01:38:24,939
started yet.

2602
01:38:25,399 --> 01:38:27,319
Not to mention learning curve if you've never

2603
01:38:27,319 --> 01:38:29,560
done it before. So this is alone if

2604
01:38:29,560 --> 01:38:31,819
you haven't made it yet. Yeah. Exactly.

2605
01:38:32,680 --> 01:38:35,340
Yeah. So this is this is definitely something

2606
01:38:35,479 --> 01:38:35,960
as,

2607
01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:36,920
you know,

2608
01:38:38,095 --> 01:38:40,354
integrated pest management system. You know?

2609
01:38:40,734 --> 01:38:42,655
You know, you're you're these are these are

2610
01:38:42,655 --> 01:38:44,494
things you're thinking about ahead of time. What

2611
01:38:44,494 --> 01:38:45,475
is my IPM

2612
01:38:45,935 --> 01:38:49,534
for this coming crop year? You know, that

2613
01:38:49,534 --> 01:38:50,034
is,

2614
01:38:51,260 --> 01:38:53,180
the the right way to go about this.

2615
01:38:53,180 --> 01:38:55,260
Also, yeah, it does it does work to

2616
01:38:55,260 --> 01:38:56,460
kill things and,

2617
01:38:57,020 --> 01:38:58,939
don't isn't isn't that what's all in in

2618
01:38:58,939 --> 01:39:01,739
those, vape carts, Shango? They they sell them

2619
01:39:01,739 --> 01:39:02,239
dispensary?

2620
01:39:02,619 --> 01:39:04,145
Yeah, man. They're all they're all they're all

2621
01:39:04,145 --> 01:39:05,045
filled with

2622
01:39:05,425 --> 01:39:06,404
like spider mites.

2623
01:39:06,704 --> 01:39:07,204
Dear

2624
01:39:08,145 --> 01:39:10,164
lord. There's a place for that.

2625
01:39:11,664 --> 01:39:12,725
Someone will buy it.

2626
01:39:14,625 --> 01:39:15,364
Dear lord.

2627
01:39:16,159 --> 01:39:17,600
That's a good point, though. You said, you

2628
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:19,119
know, you you might not be able to

2629
01:39:19,119 --> 01:39:21,220
get a solution as fast as you want.

2630
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:23,539
How what what is the

2631
01:39:24,079 --> 01:39:26,100
the protocol cycle, if you will,

2632
01:39:26,880 --> 01:39:28,340
if you are using

2633
01:39:28,725 --> 01:39:31,764
IPMO for an outbreak. Clearly, the preventative starts

2634
01:39:31,764 --> 01:39:34,244
at the beginning. But but if if you're

2635
01:39:34,244 --> 01:39:36,585
coming to this because you've got an outbreak,

2636
01:39:37,045 --> 01:39:39,524
how like, let's assume that I already have

2637
01:39:39,524 --> 01:39:41,640
the IPMO already made, and let's say that

2638
01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:44,859
I'm starting to, do light foliar today.

2639
01:39:45,239 --> 01:39:48,300
How long should I expect it to take

2640
01:39:48,600 --> 01:39:51,079
for the fungus to take up,

2641
01:39:51,719 --> 01:39:52,219
colony

2642
01:39:52,760 --> 01:39:55,784
and to start, munching on all my pests?

2643
01:39:57,145 --> 01:39:58,604
Yeah. If you have a

2644
01:39:58,985 --> 01:39:59,485
total

2645
01:39:59,864 --> 01:40:00,364
outbreak,

2646
01:40:01,625 --> 01:40:02,125
and,

2647
01:40:04,104 --> 01:40:04,604
regardless

2648
01:40:04,905 --> 01:40:06,765
of what your pest is,

2649
01:40:07,545 --> 01:40:07,784
a

2650
01:40:08,824 --> 01:40:11,279
and this, you do in fact have

2651
01:40:12,239 --> 01:40:13,699
a actual IPMO,

2652
01:40:14,399 --> 01:40:14,880
then,

2653
01:40:15,359 --> 01:40:16,819
you can apply it,

2654
01:40:17,279 --> 01:40:18,899
every 4 days

2655
01:40:19,279 --> 01:40:19,599
for

2656
01:40:20,319 --> 01:40:21,300
in 3 applications

2657
01:40:22,239 --> 01:40:25,054
would be like a full cycle kill. You

2658
01:40:25,054 --> 01:40:27,454
know? So if you have different there's different

2659
01:40:27,454 --> 01:40:30,594
life cycles on different pests, but, hitting

2660
01:40:30,895 --> 01:40:33,314
pretty much the across the board pests,

2661
01:40:34,094 --> 01:40:36,114
if you apply it every 4 days.

2662
01:40:38,909 --> 01:40:41,390
Sorry. That's not right. Once a day for

2663
01:40:41,390 --> 01:40:42,130
4 days,

2664
01:40:42,909 --> 01:40:43,710
would be,

2665
01:40:44,109 --> 01:40:46,770
every pest would be hit in their adult

2666
01:40:46,909 --> 01:40:47,869
or or in,

2667
01:40:48,750 --> 01:40:49,390
and then,

2668
01:40:50,109 --> 01:40:51,569
and then you can take a break,

2669
01:40:52,189 --> 01:40:54,895
of 3 days and do it again.

2670
01:40:55,675 --> 01:40:56,175
So,

2671
01:40:56,954 --> 01:40:57,695
8 applications

2672
01:40:58,555 --> 01:41:01,215
over a period of 11 days,

2673
01:41:02,315 --> 01:41:03,375
would be like,

2674
01:41:04,395 --> 01:41:07,114
I I'm really worried. I have it on

2675
01:41:07,114 --> 01:41:08,880
my shelf. I wasn't using it.

2676
01:41:09,279 --> 01:41:11,439
We have the beginning of an outbreak. We

2677
01:41:11,439 --> 01:41:12,819
wanna make sure we get everything,

2678
01:41:14,239 --> 01:41:16,560
apply it every day for 4 days, and

2679
01:41:16,560 --> 01:41:16,960
then,

2680
01:41:17,679 --> 01:41:19,520
give it a a 3 day rest and

2681
01:41:19,520 --> 01:41:21,460
then do it again. So that would be

2682
01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:22,659
kind of your whole

2683
01:41:22,960 --> 01:41:24,225
gambit of pests

2684
01:41:25,984 --> 01:41:26,725
killed. Alright.

2685
01:41:27,585 --> 01:41:29,824
Do you see any benefit in doing, like,

2686
01:41:29,824 --> 01:41:30,725
a dip,

2687
01:41:31,425 --> 01:41:34,545
maybe, or or or a heavy foliar for

2688
01:41:34,545 --> 01:41:35,685
incoming clones?

2689
01:41:38,760 --> 01:41:41,800
No. I I say so the the again,

2690
01:41:41,800 --> 01:41:42,619
back to

2691
01:41:43,000 --> 01:41:46,679
SOP for natural farming using liquid IMO, provided

2692
01:41:46,679 --> 01:41:48,885
you're making it well, is once a week.

2693
01:41:49,045 --> 01:41:50,904
Mhmm. So once a week through veg.

2694
01:41:52,005 --> 01:41:53,944
A lot of natural farmers are,

2695
01:41:54,965 --> 01:41:55,465
adding,

2696
01:41:57,045 --> 01:41:59,844
the their the veg formula would be adding

2697
01:41:59,844 --> 01:42:02,404
in that FAA, fish amino acid, or that

2698
01:42:02,404 --> 01:42:02,904
real,

2699
01:42:03,420 --> 01:42:03,920
rich,

2700
01:42:04,539 --> 01:42:06,079
highly plant available nitrogen

2701
01:42:06,619 --> 01:42:09,119
that doesn't need to compost on your leaf.

2702
01:42:09,739 --> 01:42:12,380
So that that, that nitrogen we talked a

2703
01:42:12,380 --> 01:42:14,939
little bit last segment about how these, like,

2704
01:42:14,939 --> 01:42:15,439
unprocessed

2705
01:42:15,819 --> 01:42:16,319
nutrients

2706
01:42:17,085 --> 01:42:19,024
have to go through a processing phase.

2707
01:42:19,645 --> 01:42:22,545
Even like fish hydrolysate or or fish emulsion,

2708
01:42:22,925 --> 01:42:24,064
it's been blended.

2709
01:42:24,604 --> 01:42:27,324
It's been chopped up really fine, but there's

2710
01:42:27,324 --> 01:42:28,545
still a un

2711
01:42:28,969 --> 01:42:30,429
composted fish particle

2712
01:42:30,729 --> 01:42:32,729
that will now land on your leaf and

2713
01:42:32,729 --> 01:42:34,350
need to process there.

2714
01:42:36,010 --> 01:42:36,409
And,

2715
01:42:37,369 --> 01:42:38,590
whereas FAA

2716
01:42:39,289 --> 01:42:40,189
went through

2717
01:42:40,649 --> 01:42:41,390
the belly,

2718
01:42:42,935 --> 01:42:45,355
metaphorically of or or literally

2719
01:42:45,735 --> 01:42:46,715
of a microbe

2720
01:42:47,175 --> 01:42:50,395
completely processed, and now is the processed

2721
01:42:50,695 --> 01:42:51,195
version

2722
01:42:51,975 --> 01:42:53,435
of that same nutrient,

2723
01:42:53,975 --> 01:42:56,074
the amino acid kind of form.

2724
01:42:56,640 --> 01:42:58,979
And that really doesn't have any more processing.

2725
01:42:59,119 --> 01:43:02,000
It can be taken up or passed through

2726
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:02,500
that,

2727
01:43:04,079 --> 01:43:06,579
tissue into the plant as is.

2728
01:43:07,840 --> 01:43:10,100
And so that that you do in veg.

2729
01:43:10,239 --> 01:43:10,739
So

2730
01:43:11,185 --> 01:43:14,465
a regular, you know, weekly application of liquid

2731
01:43:14,465 --> 01:43:16,385
IMO would be great. And then maybe every

2732
01:43:16,385 --> 01:43:18,944
other week or every week you're putting in

2733
01:43:18,944 --> 01:43:19,685
the nitrogen.

2734
01:43:20,385 --> 01:43:23,505
You don't brew with nitrogen in the liquid

2735
01:43:23,505 --> 01:43:24,965
IMO though. So,

2736
01:43:25,949 --> 01:43:26,449
also,

2737
01:43:29,070 --> 01:43:31,630
it may be that we're not getting a

2738
01:43:31,630 --> 01:43:32,610
ton of

2739
01:43:33,070 --> 01:43:33,570
replication

2740
01:43:34,110 --> 01:43:36,449
of IPMO in the water column.

2741
01:43:37,070 --> 01:43:37,570
So,

2742
01:43:39,364 --> 01:43:42,484
sorry. I'm rabbit trailing. Shango, should we stop

2743
01:43:42,484 --> 01:43:43,305
and clarify?

2744
01:43:43,925 --> 01:43:46,164
Sure. Actually, I'm gonna, I think that we

2745
01:43:46,164 --> 01:43:48,164
have made that point really well, and I'm

2746
01:43:48,164 --> 01:43:50,484
going to ask you the follow-up question, which

2747
01:43:50,484 --> 01:43:50,984
is,

2748
01:43:51,765 --> 01:43:54,029
do you see any reason why we can't

2749
01:43:54,189 --> 01:43:54,689
target

2750
01:43:55,630 --> 01:43:58,130
more than one variety of pest

2751
01:43:58,670 --> 01:43:59,170
in,

2752
01:44:00,109 --> 01:44:02,909
the IMO? So is it possible that we're

2753
01:44:02,909 --> 01:44:05,630
collecting the IMO and, okay, we're going to

2754
01:44:05,630 --> 01:44:06,130
put,

2755
01:44:07,525 --> 01:44:09,445
you know, pest 1 in there. But I

2756
01:44:09,445 --> 01:44:11,445
also have a problem with pest 2 in

2757
01:44:11,445 --> 01:44:13,364
my area, and so I'm gonna put that

2758
01:44:13,364 --> 01:44:13,864
pest

2759
01:44:14,244 --> 01:44:16,645
on my rice as well. And so I'm

2760
01:44:16,645 --> 01:44:19,864
gonna have a a double duty IPMO,

2761
01:44:20,405 --> 01:44:22,429
or or you are you more of the

2762
01:44:22,429 --> 01:44:24,929
line of no. No. No. No. 1 IPMO

2763
01:44:25,469 --> 01:44:27,969
per pest and then rotate them through?

2764
01:44:29,229 --> 01:44:32,590
Great clarifying question. I really appreciate that. So,

2765
01:44:35,864 --> 01:44:37,324
if you put 1

2766
01:44:37,784 --> 01:44:38,284
carapace

2767
01:44:38,664 --> 01:44:39,164
insect,

2768
01:44:40,425 --> 01:44:40,925
in

2769
01:44:41,784 --> 01:44:44,844
with rice and it gets colonized or,

2770
01:44:45,625 --> 01:44:46,844
gets chewed on,

2771
01:44:47,625 --> 01:44:50,284
that is your broad spectrum

2772
01:44:51,210 --> 01:44:52,430
IPMO complete,

2773
01:44:52,890 --> 01:44:54,430
meaning there is not

2774
01:44:54,810 --> 01:44:55,210
another

2775
01:44:55,850 --> 01:44:58,109
now that doesn't mean that you can't,

2776
01:44:59,369 --> 01:44:59,869
do,

2777
01:45:01,449 --> 01:45:02,670
potentially better

2778
01:45:03,025 --> 01:45:03,845
by having

2779
01:45:04,625 --> 01:45:06,945
your locust and your beetle both in your

2780
01:45:06,945 --> 01:45:07,845
rice. And,

2781
01:45:08,225 --> 01:45:11,284
you know, maybe it's, you know, that one

2782
01:45:11,345 --> 01:45:14,704
fungi really likes that, that beetle flavor, you

2783
01:45:14,704 --> 01:45:15,765
know, soft drink,

2784
01:45:16,810 --> 01:45:18,350
you know, but really,

2785
01:45:18,650 --> 01:45:20,030
it's it's not,

2786
01:45:21,289 --> 01:45:22,189
a lot of these,

2787
01:45:22,890 --> 01:45:23,390
entomopathogenic

2788
01:45:24,170 --> 01:45:24,670
fungi,

2789
01:45:26,489 --> 01:45:26,989
are,

2790
01:45:28,570 --> 01:45:32,085
broad spectrum, if you will. They they they

2791
01:45:32,085 --> 01:45:32,984
go for

2792
01:45:33,444 --> 01:45:34,104
kind of,

2793
01:45:34,564 --> 01:45:36,505
whatever has that protein,

2794
01:45:36,965 --> 01:45:39,444
and every time it when it passes them

2795
01:45:39,444 --> 01:45:40,184
or they

2796
01:45:40,645 --> 01:45:42,484
blow by on the wind and land on

2797
01:45:42,484 --> 01:45:42,984
it,

2798
01:45:44,060 --> 01:45:46,859
that is gonna go after whatever it finds

2799
01:45:46,859 --> 01:45:49,279
that has that protein, has their food source.

2800
01:45:49,739 --> 01:45:52,079
I see. Oh, go ahead. Yeah. Go ahead.

2801
01:45:52,220 --> 01:45:53,659
So so I get it. So you're saying

2802
01:45:53,819 --> 01:45:55,840
alright. So the you you know,

2803
01:45:56,140 --> 01:45:58,215
if you wanna add multiple pests

2804
01:45:58,694 --> 01:46:01,094
to your rice, like, you you can't, you

2805
01:46:01,094 --> 01:46:02,875
you fine. But really,

2806
01:46:03,335 --> 01:46:05,574
the the the picture, the context is bigger

2807
01:46:05,574 --> 01:46:07,814
than that. It's it's not that, oh, I

2808
01:46:07,814 --> 01:46:10,630
wanna target pest 1 and and target pest

2809
01:46:10,630 --> 01:46:14,390
2 because the ipmo isn't targeting the pest.

2810
01:46:14,390 --> 01:46:17,850
It's targeting chitin, which is what the carapace

2811
01:46:17,909 --> 01:46:20,069
is made of. So as as far as

2812
01:46:20,069 --> 01:46:20,569
the,

2813
01:46:21,189 --> 01:46:24,515
our partner fungus is concerned, they're the same

2814
01:46:24,515 --> 01:46:26,454
pest because they both are carrying

2815
01:46:26,755 --> 01:46:28,454
its food around on its back.

2816
01:46:28,914 --> 01:46:31,235
Yeah. And if it's a seed in early

2817
01:46:31,235 --> 01:46:31,735
germination,

2818
01:46:32,354 --> 01:46:33,895
it's the same food source.

2819
01:46:35,449 --> 01:46:38,430
Man, I'd be really tempted to actually spray

2820
01:46:39,610 --> 01:46:40,110
germinating

2821
01:46:41,770 --> 01:46:44,570
seeds or or or even just, like, just

2822
01:46:44,570 --> 01:46:45,470
after germination

2823
01:46:46,010 --> 01:46:47,710
to spray them with the IPMO

2824
01:46:48,395 --> 01:46:49,055
so that

2825
01:46:49,515 --> 01:46:51,694
it replicates as the plant grows.

2826
01:46:53,594 --> 01:46:54,094
Absolutely.

2827
01:46:54,635 --> 01:46:56,255
Oh, or or

2828
01:46:56,795 --> 01:47:00,015
even better, you put the seed in soil

2829
01:47:00,074 --> 01:47:02,989
that's been treated with IPMO Oh, yeah. Even

2830
01:47:02,989 --> 01:47:06,350
better. Thriving Yep. Thriving ecosystem Dude, totally. Which

2831
01:47:06,350 --> 01:47:08,289
is what nature's doing. Right? Right.

2832
01:47:08,590 --> 01:47:10,670
Yeah. Because then the the soil is already

2833
01:47:10,670 --> 01:47:11,170
housing,

2834
01:47:12,190 --> 01:47:15,070
our our partner fungus plus all of, like,

2835
01:47:15,070 --> 01:47:18,155
its helper, you know you know some biology

2836
01:47:18,295 --> 01:47:20,295
and yeah and it's well established at that

2837
01:47:20,295 --> 01:47:23,354
point so start so start building ipmo

2838
01:47:23,655 --> 01:47:25,655
into your soil oh god that's a great

2839
01:47:25,655 --> 01:47:27,914
addition to a soil recipe right there boy.

2840
01:47:29,335 --> 01:47:30,635
Mhmm. Yes. Gosh.

2841
01:47:31,819 --> 01:47:34,300
Alright. So, I you've already hit on this,

2842
01:47:34,300 --> 01:47:36,219
but I wanna make it really clear for

2843
01:47:36,219 --> 01:47:38,239
for anybody who still has this question.

2844
01:47:38,699 --> 01:47:39,199
IPMO

2845
01:47:39,579 --> 01:47:43,260
plays nicely with all the other forms of

2846
01:47:43,260 --> 01:47:45,039
Korean natural farming. Correct?

2847
01:47:45,654 --> 01:47:46,154
Yes

2848
01:47:46,534 --> 01:47:48,295
great I just wanted to make that nice

2849
01:47:48,295 --> 01:47:48,954
and clear

2850
01:47:50,295 --> 01:47:50,795
so

2851
01:47:51,895 --> 01:47:53,814
let's see here what have I what do

2852
01:47:53,814 --> 01:47:55,514
I still have that I have in here

2853
01:47:57,409 --> 01:47:59,890
oh yeah so so you know this show

2854
01:47:59,890 --> 01:48:02,070
is about cannabis right but but but

2855
01:48:02,530 --> 01:48:05,030
but but most of us who grow cannabis

2856
01:48:05,489 --> 01:48:08,530
love cultivating plants as well and and I

2857
01:48:08,530 --> 01:48:10,564
am definitely one of those people that cannabis

2858
01:48:10,564 --> 01:48:11,944
was a gateway to food

2859
01:48:12,564 --> 01:48:14,404
farming. Right? Mhmm. You know, for most of

2860
01:48:14,404 --> 01:48:16,164
my life, I've just been growing this one

2861
01:48:16,164 --> 01:48:18,664
plant that I have this special relationship with,

2862
01:48:18,965 --> 01:48:21,385
but, you know, as as as we saw,

2863
01:48:21,524 --> 01:48:23,979
you know, access to food get questionable there

2864
01:48:23,979 --> 01:48:25,920
a few years back, I've

2865
01:48:26,220 --> 01:48:28,320
dove into food farming.

2866
01:48:28,780 --> 01:48:29,260
And,

2867
01:48:30,539 --> 01:48:33,260
this is something that we can use on

2868
01:48:33,260 --> 01:48:35,100
on all of our food crops. Right? Is

2869
01:48:35,100 --> 01:48:37,274
there is there any crop that you have

2870
01:48:37,274 --> 01:48:39,114
come across where this is not a good

2871
01:48:39,114 --> 01:48:39,614
idea?

2872
01:48:42,154 --> 01:48:44,555
That's a pretty broad question about I just

2873
01:48:44,555 --> 01:48:45,375
asked you. But

2874
01:48:45,835 --> 01:48:46,654
Yeah. No.

2875
01:48:47,479 --> 01:48:49,000
I again, I I,

2876
01:48:50,199 --> 01:48:51,880
I have worked a a bunch in the

2877
01:48:51,880 --> 01:48:52,939
cannabis industry,

2878
01:48:53,479 --> 01:48:53,640
but,

2879
01:48:55,000 --> 01:48:57,000
most of my work is not. Most of

2880
01:48:57,000 --> 01:48:58,699
my work is with food farmers,

2881
01:49:00,119 --> 01:49:00,619
and

2882
01:49:02,925 --> 01:49:03,664
I cannot,

2883
01:49:05,244 --> 01:49:06,545
I can't see a downside.

2884
01:49:07,164 --> 01:49:09,585
Again, we're not doing anything

2885
01:49:10,125 --> 01:49:10,625
wild,

2886
01:49:11,484 --> 01:49:14,604
in as far as nature goes. Right? We're

2887
01:49:14,604 --> 01:49:17,505
we're just taking something that's already there

2888
01:49:18,659 --> 01:49:19,060
and,

2889
01:49:20,340 --> 01:49:22,900
and making sure it gets on our crops

2890
01:49:22,900 --> 01:49:24,360
that we're growing. Because

2891
01:49:24,820 --> 01:49:25,320
sometimes

2892
01:49:25,699 --> 01:49:27,479
when we are growing

2893
01:49:28,260 --> 01:49:29,720
wherever it is we're growing,

2894
01:49:30,500 --> 01:49:31,000
we've

2895
01:49:31,405 --> 01:49:32,225
tilled it

2896
01:49:32,604 --> 01:49:35,345
and it actually used to be lawn or,

2897
01:49:35,965 --> 01:49:37,805
we actually bought it in bags and brought

2898
01:49:37,805 --> 01:49:40,204
it indoors. You know, there hasn't been the

2899
01:49:40,204 --> 01:49:42,385
establishment of life. So really,

2900
01:49:42,765 --> 01:49:43,265
we're,

2901
01:49:45,449 --> 01:49:45,949
we're,

2902
01:49:46,409 --> 01:49:47,550
not afraid.

2903
01:49:49,529 --> 01:49:51,689
I I will say I will bring I

2904
01:49:51,689 --> 01:49:53,550
I think, if I can maybe,

2905
01:49:54,250 --> 01:49:56,329
take liberty with your question and go a

2906
01:49:56,329 --> 01:49:58,029
little more broad. Sure. Go ahead.

2907
01:49:58,354 --> 01:49:59,654
I will give a caution,

2908
01:50:00,274 --> 01:50:02,114
that I think is really important and I

2909
01:50:02,114 --> 01:50:02,614
appreciate

2910
01:50:03,154 --> 01:50:03,895
the trigger,

2911
01:50:04,515 --> 01:50:06,135
or the, the nudge

2912
01:50:06,755 --> 01:50:07,255
we,

2913
01:50:09,795 --> 01:50:10,854
we are collecting

2914
01:50:11,314 --> 01:50:11,814
microbes

2915
01:50:12,720 --> 01:50:13,220
without,

2916
01:50:14,159 --> 01:50:14,659
specifying,

2917
01:50:16,320 --> 01:50:19,520
our collection. Right? We're in in natural farming.

2918
01:50:19,520 --> 01:50:21,060
We're doing a,

2919
01:50:24,320 --> 01:50:25,060
a broad,

2920
01:50:25,840 --> 01:50:26,400
a broad,

2921
01:50:27,119 --> 01:50:27,619
invite

2922
01:50:28,114 --> 01:50:30,595
by putting out this food and by getting

2923
01:50:30,595 --> 01:50:32,515
it from different places. Ideally, we have a

2924
01:50:32,515 --> 01:50:34,515
bunch of different places we've got our microbes

2925
01:50:34,515 --> 01:50:35,015
from.

2926
01:50:35,475 --> 01:50:36,135
And then

2927
01:50:36,914 --> 01:50:37,414
we're,

2928
01:50:38,435 --> 01:50:40,135
further cultivating it.

2929
01:50:40,515 --> 01:50:42,695
And when we finish IMO 3,

2930
01:50:43,460 --> 01:50:44,840
it dries out

2931
01:50:45,460 --> 01:50:47,880
and is really almost like a powder.

2932
01:50:48,420 --> 01:50:49,779
And if I look at it under a

2933
01:50:49,779 --> 01:50:52,420
microscope, what that powder consists of is a

2934
01:50:52,420 --> 01:50:55,000
bag of marbles that's packed with fungal spores.

2935
01:50:55,465 --> 01:50:58,344
So in an ideal, you did really great,

2936
01:50:58,344 --> 01:51:01,324
great job making IMO 3 under a microscope

2937
01:51:01,465 --> 01:51:01,965
now

2938
01:51:02,265 --> 01:51:04,344
that it's all dried. We've used up all

2939
01:51:04,344 --> 01:51:05,005
the water.

2940
01:51:05,944 --> 01:51:09,429
We have desiccated fungal bodies, meaning they ran

2941
01:51:09,429 --> 01:51:11,670
out of water. So they sporulated, they push

2942
01:51:11,670 --> 01:51:14,069
their nucleus into a fruiting head and made

2943
01:51:14,069 --> 01:51:15,050
a bunch of spores.

2944
01:51:15,909 --> 01:51:18,489
They're now sitting there waiting to be reintroduced

2945
01:51:18,550 --> 01:51:20,710
to water so they can wake up. But

2946
01:51:20,710 --> 01:51:21,770
all those spores,

2947
01:51:24,784 --> 01:51:26,725
are great for the forest,

2948
01:51:27,265 --> 01:51:27,765
but

2949
01:51:28,145 --> 01:51:30,404
they, we have made a concentrate

2950
01:51:31,185 --> 01:51:33,844
just like if you have a new cannabis

2951
01:51:33,904 --> 01:51:34,404
smoker

2952
01:51:34,944 --> 01:51:37,425
and you're, you're about to introduce them to

2953
01:51:37,425 --> 01:51:40,439
your dab rig. You say, now this is,

2954
01:51:41,319 --> 01:51:42,539
concentrated maybe

2955
01:51:42,840 --> 01:51:44,840
more than nature would normally give you on

2956
01:51:44,840 --> 01:51:47,000
your first toke. Yeah. You know? Take it

2957
01:51:47,000 --> 01:51:47,500
easy.

2958
01:51:48,439 --> 01:51:51,179
We have a super concentrate of fungi,

2959
01:51:51,914 --> 01:51:54,954
and fungal spores specifically in an IMO 3

2960
01:51:54,954 --> 01:51:56,814
or an IMO 4 that's dried,

2961
01:51:57,755 --> 01:51:59,215
or a liquid IMO.

2962
01:51:59,675 --> 01:52:00,494
And so,

2963
01:52:02,555 --> 01:52:06,109
there though it's safe, I've drank my liquid

2964
01:52:06,109 --> 01:52:07,090
IMO now,

2965
01:52:08,989 --> 01:52:10,770
throughout the year for,

2966
01:52:11,949 --> 01:52:12,929
12 years.

2967
01:52:14,590 --> 01:52:18,670
I've bathed in IMO and eaten IMO 2

2968
01:52:18,670 --> 01:52:19,845
any chance I get.

2969
01:52:21,204 --> 01:52:21,685
And,

2970
01:52:22,725 --> 01:52:25,305
and, I know many people that have.

2971
01:52:25,685 --> 01:52:26,664
IMO is,

2972
01:52:28,085 --> 01:52:28,885
really just,

2973
01:52:29,845 --> 01:52:31,465
if done well, a replication

2974
01:52:31,845 --> 01:52:33,225
of a forest floor.

2975
01:52:35,029 --> 01:52:36,649
That said, sorry, long,

2976
01:52:37,109 --> 01:52:38,489
long lead up to,

2977
01:52:40,149 --> 01:52:41,670
it can be,

2978
01:52:43,510 --> 01:52:44,010
overly,

2979
01:52:45,750 --> 01:52:46,250
concentrated

2980
01:52:46,869 --> 01:52:47,930
for an immunocompromised

2981
01:52:48,550 --> 01:52:49,050
person,

2982
01:52:49,685 --> 01:52:52,564
you know, to breathe in, to inhale a

2983
01:52:52,564 --> 01:52:54,744
massive amount of microbes,

2984
01:52:55,284 --> 01:52:57,064
albeit beneficial microbes.

2985
01:52:58,324 --> 01:52:58,824
The,

2986
01:52:59,444 --> 01:53:01,305
the reality is that

2987
01:53:01,685 --> 01:53:02,185
good

2988
01:53:02,699 --> 01:53:05,199
microbes can have a negative impact

2989
01:53:05,659 --> 01:53:06,720
on a person,

2990
01:53:07,820 --> 01:53:11,180
in various, you know, health conditions. Anything isn't

2991
01:53:11,180 --> 01:53:13,500
great. Right. You know? Right. So so we

2992
01:53:13,500 --> 01:53:15,500
have a concentrate. So I just I think

2993
01:53:15,500 --> 01:53:16,640
a general caution

2994
01:53:17,404 --> 01:53:18,765
that you are,

2995
01:53:19,404 --> 01:53:19,904
producing

2996
01:53:20,604 --> 01:53:24,604
a massive quantity. Your your the the goal

2997
01:53:24,604 --> 01:53:26,604
with IMO 3 is that we're really,

2998
01:53:27,484 --> 01:53:28,204
we're we're,

2999
01:53:30,239 --> 01:53:30,739
multiplying

3000
01:53:31,119 --> 01:53:32,500
again and again to,

3001
01:53:33,359 --> 01:53:36,000
produce our our microbes. I have a friend,

3002
01:53:36,319 --> 01:53:38,559
Pancho. He's on one of my videos on

3003
01:53:38,559 --> 01:53:39,300
my YouTube.

3004
01:53:40,000 --> 01:53:41,439
I haven't talked to him in a while,

3005
01:53:41,439 --> 01:53:44,145
which is definitely my fault, not his.

3006
01:53:46,385 --> 01:53:46,784
And,

3007
01:53:48,225 --> 01:53:51,185
he can't be around IMO 3 or 4

3008
01:53:51,185 --> 01:53:51,685
production

3009
01:53:52,145 --> 01:53:54,704
that dust gets in the air. He's, you

3010
01:53:54,704 --> 01:53:56,864
know, he's a long time rocker. He was

3011
01:53:56,864 --> 01:53:58,965
crazy horse, Neil Young, crazy horse.

3012
01:53:59,300 --> 01:54:00,760
And for whatever reason,

3013
01:54:01,060 --> 01:54:02,699
that has put him in a state where

3014
01:54:02,699 --> 01:54:05,539
he starts breathing that he itches and has

3015
01:54:05,539 --> 01:54:06,600
a, like

3016
01:54:07,060 --> 01:54:08,359
a autoimmune response.

3017
01:54:09,460 --> 01:54:12,119
You know? Whereas I have no negative,

3018
01:54:12,819 --> 01:54:15,945
effect. And so I think just in general,

3019
01:54:16,324 --> 01:54:18,585
though I'm not so worried about a plant,

3020
01:54:20,085 --> 01:54:21,225
I am concerned,

3021
01:54:21,925 --> 01:54:24,505
that, we just be beware

3022
01:54:25,284 --> 01:54:26,985
for humans, especially,

3023
01:54:27,765 --> 01:54:28,265
elderly.

3024
01:54:28,619 --> 01:54:29,520
I have encountered,

3025
01:54:30,460 --> 01:54:32,619
2 or 3 people in my whole journey

3026
01:54:32,619 --> 01:54:35,579
that IMO makes a niche and, and they're

3027
01:54:35,579 --> 01:54:37,119
all, you know, over 50,

3028
01:54:37,739 --> 01:54:38,560
over 60,

3029
01:54:39,659 --> 01:54:41,340
humans. And, and so,

3030
01:54:42,295 --> 01:54:44,774
yeah, just, that's the that's the big caution,

3031
01:54:44,774 --> 01:54:47,515
I guess. Sorry for the long winded explanation.

3032
01:54:47,654 --> 01:54:49,255
But Well, at least we at least we

3033
01:54:49,255 --> 01:54:51,814
understand why. And I think that I'll even

3034
01:54:51,814 --> 01:54:53,814
throw this in there is that even though

3035
01:54:53,814 --> 01:54:54,314
people,

3036
01:54:55,255 --> 01:54:56,154
drink their,

3037
01:54:56,774 --> 01:54:57,515
their preps,

3038
01:54:58,130 --> 01:54:59,750
to kind of, like, prove a point,

3039
01:55:00,289 --> 01:55:01,810
you know, it doesn't matter who you are.

3040
01:55:01,810 --> 01:55:03,829
You should be wearing a mask when foliaring

3041
01:55:03,889 --> 01:55:05,889
these things because just because you can drink

3042
01:55:05,889 --> 01:55:07,489
it does not mean that it plays well

3043
01:55:07,489 --> 01:55:08,310
in your lungs.

3044
01:55:09,329 --> 01:55:11,935
And so, you know, anytime doing the foliar,

3045
01:55:11,935 --> 01:55:13,854
if it's not just water, it is well

3046
01:55:13,854 --> 01:55:15,635
advised to wear some sort of mask.

3047
01:55:16,335 --> 01:55:18,895
Yeah. I I think, I think it goes

3048
01:55:18,895 --> 01:55:20,895
back to what did you actually produce. Did

3049
01:55:20,895 --> 01:55:21,715
it go well?

3050
01:55:22,255 --> 01:55:24,734
If I'm making it, I feel safe, you

3051
01:55:24,734 --> 01:55:27,429
know, to to breathe it in. But, but,

3052
01:55:27,429 --> 01:55:29,189
yeah, if you're making it for the first

3053
01:55:29,189 --> 01:55:31,750
time or you tried something new or whatever,

3054
01:55:31,750 --> 01:55:33,989
yeah, it's just a general, you know, take

3055
01:55:33,989 --> 01:55:34,810
care of yourself.

3056
01:55:35,670 --> 01:55:36,409
These are

3057
01:55:36,789 --> 01:55:37,289
concentrates.

3058
01:55:37,835 --> 01:55:40,635
Right on. Alright. So here's our last question,

3059
01:55:40,795 --> 01:55:42,475
Chris. So I wanna take I wanna take

3060
01:55:42,475 --> 01:55:45,054
you a step back from all the specificity

3061
01:55:45,755 --> 01:55:47,135
that we have had today

3062
01:55:47,594 --> 01:55:50,475
and and and think about the student who

3063
01:55:50,475 --> 01:55:51,774
is, considering

3064
01:55:52,154 --> 01:55:52,654
IPMO

3065
01:55:53,114 --> 01:55:53,729
for the first

3066
01:55:54,689 --> 01:55:57,489
time and has just listened to all of

3067
01:55:57,489 --> 01:55:59,569
the details that we have given, you know,

3068
01:55:59,569 --> 01:56:02,289
move moving from different types of science to

3069
01:56:02,289 --> 01:56:05,029
different kinds of, like, processes to make it.

3070
01:56:05,649 --> 01:56:08,550
Maybe they've experimented with IMO, maybe they haven't,

3071
01:56:08,835 --> 01:56:10,914
But but maybe they're they're probably feeling, you

3072
01:56:10,914 --> 01:56:13,155
know, a little bit overwhelmed with, like, I

3073
01:56:13,155 --> 01:56:14,454
really want IPMO,

3074
01:56:15,074 --> 01:56:17,555
but holy f. There there's a lot of

3075
01:56:17,555 --> 01:56:19,635
science here I have to remember, and there's

3076
01:56:19,635 --> 01:56:21,395
a lot of steps. And yet we wanna

3077
01:56:21,395 --> 01:56:23,649
we wanna support them because this is this

3078
01:56:23,649 --> 01:56:27,090
could really radically improve their cultivation or their

3079
01:56:27,090 --> 01:56:29,489
farm. And so here here's my question for

3080
01:56:29,489 --> 01:56:31,250
you, handing you the the mic for a

3081
01:56:31,250 --> 01:56:32,789
nice nice dismount.

3082
01:56:33,649 --> 01:56:35,670
What advice would you give to someone

3083
01:56:36,050 --> 01:56:39,335
just starting to make an experiment with predatory

3084
01:56:39,635 --> 01:56:40,854
IMO in the garden

3085
01:56:41,395 --> 01:56:43,734
to to help, like, I don't know,

3086
01:56:44,194 --> 01:56:47,475
soothe their nervousness about the complexity of it

3087
01:56:47,475 --> 01:56:49,715
and to kind of, like, assure them that

3088
01:56:49,715 --> 01:56:51,255
that they can freaking do it?

3089
01:56:52,819 --> 01:56:53,319
Absolutely.

3090
01:56:55,539 --> 01:56:56,039
So

3091
01:56:56,899 --> 01:56:59,719
in 8 days from listening to this,

3092
01:57:00,020 --> 01:57:01,319
you can foliar

3093
01:57:02,020 --> 01:57:02,520
a,

3094
01:57:04,659 --> 01:57:05,800
a liquid IPMO

3095
01:57:06,514 --> 01:57:08,935
and and have it be a 100%

3096
01:57:09,474 --> 01:57:11,094
exactly as I would do it.

3097
01:57:12,034 --> 01:57:14,914
It's it's it's really doable, and that would

3098
01:57:14,914 --> 01:57:17,314
be using your IMO 2 to make a

3099
01:57:17,314 --> 01:57:18,215
liquid IMO,

3100
01:57:18,710 --> 01:57:19,689
But you basically,

3101
01:57:20,710 --> 01:57:21,530
get a natural,

3102
01:57:22,149 --> 01:57:23,050
material container,

3103
01:57:23,750 --> 01:57:24,970
you know, like a box,

3104
01:57:25,430 --> 01:57:27,210
and cook some rice.

3105
01:57:27,909 --> 01:57:29,530
Actually, I have a fun,

3106
01:57:30,630 --> 01:57:31,510
bomb to drop.

3107
01:57:32,265 --> 01:57:34,765
Shango, you inviting me to do,

3108
01:57:35,385 --> 01:57:35,885
a,

3109
01:57:38,585 --> 01:57:39,085
IPMO

3110
01:57:39,385 --> 01:57:39,885
interview,

3111
01:57:41,704 --> 01:57:43,485
inspired me to

3112
01:57:43,945 --> 01:57:44,845
make a

3113
01:57:45,560 --> 01:57:48,140
IPMO how to. Oh, that's fabulous.

3114
01:57:48,680 --> 01:57:51,079
It does not have all this science we

3115
01:57:51,079 --> 01:57:53,880
talked about. I kept it super truncated and

3116
01:57:53,880 --> 01:57:54,380
short.

3117
01:57:56,520 --> 01:57:58,715
So you know? Is that on is that

3118
01:57:58,715 --> 01:58:01,194
on your YouTube channel? It's gonna be. I

3119
01:58:01,194 --> 01:58:03,835
literally just, finished the last portion of it

3120
01:58:03,835 --> 01:58:05,354
this morning before we jumped on the call.

3121
01:58:05,354 --> 01:58:07,034
That's why I was maybe gonna be late.

3122
01:58:07,034 --> 01:58:08,335
I got stuck in the woods.

3123
01:58:08,875 --> 01:58:10,814
But, but no. It's,

3124
01:58:12,170 --> 01:58:14,569
yeah, gonna be on my YouTube channel. It

3125
01:58:14,569 --> 01:58:16,649
will be, by the time they're listening to

3126
01:58:16,649 --> 01:58:18,810
this. So, yes, it is there. And,

3127
01:58:19,689 --> 01:58:22,170
yeah, it'll it'll it'll take you through just

3128
01:58:22,170 --> 01:58:23,469
the practical, but

3129
01:58:23,795 --> 01:58:26,194
you don't have to watch it to, take

3130
01:58:26,194 --> 01:58:29,014
the interview and, go right into it.

3131
01:58:29,314 --> 01:58:29,814
Literally

3132
01:58:30,514 --> 01:58:32,215
rice cooked al dente

3133
01:58:33,314 --> 01:58:33,814
placed,

3134
01:58:34,274 --> 01:58:37,154
just like an IMO one. And,

3135
01:58:37,715 --> 01:58:39,014
if that succeeds

3136
01:58:39,500 --> 01:58:41,500
mixing it with brown sugar, taking a handful

3137
01:58:41,500 --> 01:58:42,079
of that,

3138
01:58:42,539 --> 01:58:44,000
putting it in a

3139
01:58:45,100 --> 01:58:48,219
sock or something within air stones, because these

3140
01:58:48,219 --> 01:58:49,439
are aerobic organisms

3141
01:58:50,219 --> 01:58:52,699
and brewing it for 24 hours and spraying

3142
01:58:52,699 --> 01:58:54,695
it on. And you will have,

3143
01:58:55,635 --> 01:58:57,494
your IPMO foliar.

3144
01:58:58,274 --> 01:58:59,895
It's that simple. So,

3145
01:59:02,354 --> 01:59:02,835
and,

3146
01:59:03,475 --> 01:59:03,954
the,

3147
01:59:05,954 --> 01:59:06,354
the,

3148
01:59:08,530 --> 01:59:09,030
downside

3149
01:59:10,050 --> 01:59:10,550
is,

3150
01:59:11,090 --> 01:59:12,470
is really not there.

3151
01:59:13,810 --> 01:59:15,970
You know, as long as you, go through

3152
01:59:15,970 --> 01:59:16,789
that process,

3153
01:59:17,329 --> 01:59:19,270
you're gonna be putting wonderful nutrients.

3154
01:59:19,729 --> 01:59:21,890
Again, I'm gonna return to something we said

3155
01:59:21,890 --> 01:59:22,390
in,

3156
01:59:24,164 --> 01:59:25,465
earlier in the

3157
01:59:25,925 --> 01:59:29,145
interview, and I just can't say enough.

3158
01:59:29,765 --> 01:59:30,585
Do not,

3159
01:59:32,484 --> 01:59:33,845
adlib. Do not,

3160
01:59:35,125 --> 01:59:35,864
do not,

3161
01:59:37,125 --> 01:59:38,425
shoot from the hip.

3162
01:59:38,760 --> 01:59:40,859
Do not come up with your own IPMO

3163
01:59:41,079 --> 01:59:41,579
recipe.

3164
01:59:42,520 --> 01:59:44,520
And that's where, cause that's the only way

3165
01:59:44,520 --> 01:59:46,279
you could go wrong. If you just try

3166
01:59:46,279 --> 01:59:48,279
and hone in on what we're talking about

3167
01:59:48,279 --> 01:59:48,779
and,

3168
01:59:49,399 --> 01:59:50,460
how to do it,

3169
01:59:50,795 --> 01:59:52,814
It's really accessible. And,

3170
01:59:53,675 --> 01:59:55,774
what I love about natural farming,

3171
01:59:56,314 --> 01:59:56,954
I am,

3172
01:59:57,914 --> 01:59:59,614
I'm a super nerd in,

3173
02:00:01,034 --> 02:00:02,715
this stuff. I love to learn about it.

3174
02:00:02,715 --> 02:00:04,494
There's a lot to learn about it.

3175
02:00:07,420 --> 02:00:08,800
You don't have to know

3176
02:00:09,260 --> 02:00:10,159
all the science

3177
02:00:10,939 --> 02:00:12,320
to follow a recipe.

3178
02:00:14,300 --> 02:00:16,800
You don't have to understand every detail

3179
02:00:17,180 --> 02:00:19,100
and hold all of this in your head

3180
02:00:19,100 --> 02:00:19,760
and heart

3181
02:00:20,314 --> 02:00:22,574
to have the benefit for your plants.

3182
02:00:22,954 --> 02:00:24,795
You just have to be good at doing

3183
02:00:24,795 --> 02:00:26,015
step 1 through 4

3184
02:00:27,914 --> 02:00:31,534
and literally just experience the benefit or experience

3185
02:00:31,675 --> 02:00:33,055
the outcome of,

3186
02:00:34,050 --> 02:00:35,109
yeah, the,

3187
02:00:35,649 --> 02:00:37,189
what nature is already doing.

3188
02:00:37,889 --> 02:00:38,389
Nature,

3189
02:00:39,409 --> 02:00:41,670
I love that it is more complex

3190
02:00:42,529 --> 02:00:43,029
than,

3191
02:00:43,489 --> 02:00:45,829
we understand or than our understanding.

3192
02:00:46,210 --> 02:00:47,510
And at the same time,

3193
02:00:48,914 --> 02:00:50,755
you don't have to know a darn thing

3194
02:00:50,755 --> 02:00:51,734
about the complexity

3195
02:00:52,034 --> 02:00:53,635
of nature to walk up to an apple

3196
02:00:53,635 --> 02:00:55,074
tree, pick an apple, and eat it, and

3197
02:00:55,074 --> 02:00:57,095
say this is good. Feeds me.

3198
02:00:57,715 --> 02:01:00,239
So that's what we're doing here. Right on.

3199
02:01:00,480 --> 02:01:02,560
Chris, thank you so much. I really appreciate

3200
02:01:02,560 --> 02:01:04,320
that that summation. It's like it's like you

3201
02:01:04,320 --> 02:01:06,500
don't you don't need to know everything

3202
02:01:07,119 --> 02:01:09,440
in order to to to participate in this.

3203
02:01:09,440 --> 02:01:11,539
You just need enough to do the recipe.

3204
02:01:11,760 --> 02:01:13,600
Very similarly, like, you know, I don't know

3205
02:01:13,600 --> 02:01:16,284
how my everything functions in my car but

3206
02:01:16,284 --> 02:01:17,505
I can totally drive

3207
02:01:18,445 --> 02:01:19,965
and you know I can I can learn

3208
02:01:19,965 --> 02:01:21,645
how to fix different parts of my car

3209
02:01:21,645 --> 02:01:22,385
as I go

3210
02:01:23,005 --> 02:01:24,445
so so chris thank you so much you

3211
02:01:24,445 --> 02:01:27,164
know you you educate people all around the

3212
02:01:27,164 --> 02:01:29,059
world and you've been doing this a long

3213
02:01:29,059 --> 02:01:31,219
time now, and you're certainly an ally to

3214
02:01:31,219 --> 02:01:32,439
the cannabis industry?

3215
02:01:32,979 --> 02:01:35,539
And, and just thank you for for the

3216
02:01:35,539 --> 02:01:37,059
time that you spend with those of us

3217
02:01:37,059 --> 02:01:39,699
in cannabis, and then most specifically, thanks for

3218
02:01:39,699 --> 02:01:41,859
spending your very valuable time with us here

3219
02:01:41,859 --> 02:01:44,755
today so that we can learn more about

3220
02:01:44,755 --> 02:01:46,994
ipmo. When I when I stumbled across it

3221
02:01:46,994 --> 02:01:49,155
3 weeks ago, I was like, holy crap.

3222
02:01:49,155 --> 02:01:50,755
I can't believe Chris and I haven't talked

3223
02:01:50,755 --> 02:01:53,395
about this already. And so, thanks for freeing

3224
02:01:53,395 --> 02:01:55,074
up your schedule to be here with us.

3225
02:01:55,074 --> 02:01:56,055
Thanks a lot, dude.

3226
02:01:56,469 --> 02:02:00,310
Yeah. Absolutely, Sango. And, yeah, thanks listeners for,

3227
02:02:00,869 --> 02:02:02,149
for the time you put in. If you

3228
02:02:02,149 --> 02:02:03,050
got this far,

3229
02:02:03,670 --> 02:02:05,429
I think you deserve a round of applause.

3230
02:02:05,429 --> 02:02:07,750
Yeah. Right on, dude. Right on. Alright, dear

3231
02:02:07,750 --> 02:02:09,404
listeners. So if you would like

3232
02:02:09,965 --> 02:02:12,764
to know more about, Chris Trump and more

3233
02:02:13,005 --> 02:02:15,184
maybe even more importantly, his videos,

3234
02:02:15,724 --> 02:02:17,645
I'm gonna give you 3 places for you

3235
02:02:17,645 --> 02:02:20,125
to go. The first is his website for

3236
02:02:20,125 --> 02:02:21,425
his business, Biomay,

3237
02:02:21,909 --> 02:02:22,649
which is

3238
02:02:23,430 --> 02:02:23,930
www.biomay.solutions.

3239
02:02:27,109 --> 02:02:29,210
And and Biomay is biome

3240
02:02:31,270 --> 02:02:31,770
i.solutions.

3241
02:02:33,430 --> 02:02:35,270
And if that sounds weird to you, like,

3242
02:02:35,270 --> 02:02:37,505
it's his his his URL is different. It's

3243
02:02:37,505 --> 02:02:40,085
not a dot com. It's a dot solutions.

3244
02:02:40,145 --> 02:02:41,685
Right? So it's www.biomay.

3245
02:02:43,824 --> 02:02:44,324
Solutions,

3246
02:02:44,864 --> 02:02:46,784
and and your browser will get you there.

3247
02:02:46,784 --> 02:02:49,984
So so on the BIOMAY website, you can

3248
02:02:49,984 --> 02:02:52,579
find out about Chris. You can get access

3249
02:02:52,579 --> 02:02:53,880
to all sorts of resources.

3250
02:02:54,420 --> 02:02:56,579
You can get the free classes. You can

3251
02:02:56,579 --> 02:02:59,079
find about upcoming free and paid classes,

3252
02:02:59,619 --> 02:03:01,859
and there are resources for how to make

3253
02:03:01,859 --> 02:03:03,639
the various natural fermentations

3254
02:03:04,020 --> 02:03:04,454
that

3255
02:03:04,854 --> 02:03:07,335
Chris has been teaching about all these years,

3256
02:03:07,335 --> 02:03:09,675
plus there are links to the YouTube videos.

3257
02:03:09,734 --> 02:03:12,774
So so, like, big win there at at

3258
02:03:12,774 --> 02:03:13,595
at www.biomay.

3259
02:03:15,414 --> 02:03:15,914
Solutions.

3260
02:03:16,295 --> 02:03:16,795
Now

3261
02:03:17,095 --> 02:03:18,475
if if if you

3262
02:03:19,060 --> 02:03:21,479
want something, like, you know, on the regular,

3263
02:03:21,779 --> 02:03:25,000
you can also follow his Instagram at biomei

3264
02:03:25,060 --> 02:03:26,279
solutions, and that's,

3265
02:03:26,819 --> 02:03:27,319
biomei.

3266
02:03:29,060 --> 02:03:29,560
Solutions

3267
02:03:29,939 --> 02:03:30,679
is his

3268
02:03:31,219 --> 02:03:32,760
profile there on IG.

3269
02:03:33,414 --> 02:03:35,335
And then and then if you're interested in

3270
02:03:35,335 --> 02:03:37,814
following Chris for for, you know, Chris himself

3271
02:03:37,814 --> 02:03:39,975
as a human as he travels around the

3272
02:03:39,975 --> 02:03:43,255
world and teaches different farmers and and and,

3273
02:03:43,255 --> 02:03:45,195
you know, learn some of these new,

3274
02:03:45,895 --> 02:03:49,000
innovations that he's coming up with, like, first

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before they even become classes.

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Then you want his personal Instagram, which is

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soil steward,

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soil steward.

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And, you can follow Chris. You can comment.

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Chris reads that stuff. And also there's an

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entire community. There's like a, you know, 35,000

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followers or something on his on his Instagram.

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And it's a really nice place

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to to learn and also to to interact

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with other people in our community

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who have who have got the best of

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intentions it's a very well well behaved place

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so great place to learn and that's at

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soil steward

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on instagram

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