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It's really something, isn't it? How people are

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talking about psychedelic mushrooms, like, simply everywhere now?

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And sure, many of us had lots of

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mushrooms in our subcultures growing up, and it's

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nothing new. But we're talking about mushrooms being

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discussed on CNN and daytime talk shows. It

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really is something.

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Some folks are talking about microdosing and others

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are talking about macrodosing.

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But everyone seems to feel much more free

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to discuss mushroom use and benefits nowadays.

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It's very common for the media to talk

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about the importance of using mushrooms in a

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clinical setting or for psychologists to suggest the

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importance of having a guide or trip sitter.

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Because of this, there is a creeping assumption

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that everyone should have a psychedelic safety coach

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involved with their self discovery.

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I'm not of that opinion.

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Certainly, some folks should definitely seek these types

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of support, and it is very good that

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they exist.

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But the vast number of people don't actually

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need a guide. There are records of human

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beings using psychedelics for over 9000 years.

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Our species has a long and positive relationship

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with the psilocybin mushroom. And if you follow

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some simple but important best practices,

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you or you and your friends can engage

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engage in psychedelic exploration safely and on your

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own. That's our topic for today, taking psychedelics

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without a trip sitter.

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You are listening to Shaping Fire, and I'm

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your host, Shango Los.

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Welcome to episode 117.

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My guest today is Daniel Schenken.

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As the founder and director of TAM Integration,

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Daniel offers radically accessible and inclusive support and

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education for people who are wanting to transform,

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heal, and grow.

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TAM's integration circles and online conferences

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enjoy a worldwide audience and much acclaim.

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He also leads the year long Mt. Tam

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Psychedelic Integration Coaching Program,

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training emerging leaders in the facilitation of transformational

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engagement.

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I know Daniel as having incredible insights about

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psychedelic integration,

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the use of psychedelics,

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and a keen sense of the importance of

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psychedelics

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as both recreation and for self discovery.

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I came across his social media channels and

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started getting some really good perspective from him.

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Then Daniel Morford from Heart Rock Mountain Cannabis

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introduced us, and we quickly chose a date

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to pull together this episode for you.

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During the first set today, we will consider

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the differences between having a trip sitter or

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guide and going it alone or with friends.

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And then we will discuss best practices for

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going into your psychedelic trip with good mindset

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and setting.

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In the second set, we'll offer some tips

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on preparing for your trip, locations, and things

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to do while you're high.

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And during the 3rd set, we will discuss

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psychedelic integration,

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what that is, and how to make sure

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that you're able to bring your lessons in

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healing from psychedelics

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back into your daily life.

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There are two important notes about today's episode.

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I recently upgraded the Shapingfire Studio so all

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the episodes will sound even better than they

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already do.

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Alas,

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I thought that I had all the settings

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dialed in and tested, but I did not.

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At some point before we recorded, I hit

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the gain and threw it off significantly.

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Because of that, my voice was recorded too

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boldly

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and now clips a great deal throughout the

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Daniel's voice sounds perfect though, but I don't

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sound so well.

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Our ShapingFire sound engineer did an excellent job

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making my voice listenable,

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but, yeah, you'll hear my voice sound crappy

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this episode.

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After a 171

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podcast episodes of being my own sound technician,

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I was bound to make an error sometime,

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and and that is today.

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We have adjusted the gain and taped it

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in place now, so we shouldn't run into

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this again. So thanks for your patience with

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the sound of my voice today.

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2nd, neither Daniel or I are doctors, and

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we certainly are not your therapist. This information

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is offered to add to your own research

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and discussions with your doctors. Please don't take

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today's episode as permission or instruction.

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Similarly,

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consult your local laws about any plans you

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may have when considering psilocybin therapy.

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Shaping Fire has a global audience and you

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are responsible for understanding the laws in your

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specific area.

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Welcome to Shaping Fire, Daniel.

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Thank you so much for having me. It's

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great to be here. I really appreciate you

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joining us. I know your time is valuable

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and I've been excited about doing this episode

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for a while. Now, before we get into

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it, let's go ahead and repeat some of

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the disclaimers

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that I already mentioned in the introduction because

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we want to make sure that we're all

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on the same page.

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My dear listener,

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we are not your doctor or your therapist

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and we don't know your personal situation. So,

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we're going to be speaking in generalities.

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So, don't be taking our insights as, you

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know, permission to do something at all. We

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encourage you to do your own homework, talk

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to your own doctor, talk to your own

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spiritual

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leader,

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and be aware of the legality

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wherever you live. Because I know that, you

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know, the audience is all around the world

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at this point, but here in the United

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you know, the psychedelics we're going to be

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talking about today are Schedule 1 drugs in

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most places or everywhere.

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laws in your particular area.

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So, okay. So with that,

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so, Daniel, I wanna start with,

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kind of the kind of the opposite of

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what the episode about is about today. You

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know, today's episode is is primarily focusing on

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people who choose to do psychedelics

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either by themselves or with friends

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and not using a counselor or a facilitator

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involved. But I wanna make sure right off

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the bat that that we make sure people

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know that that we're not saying don't use

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a facilitator.

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For many people and for many goals, using

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a facilitator

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is exceptionally helpful, maybe even vital to their

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healing process. So, you

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know, you are a trainer

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of psychedelic

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facilitators.

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So so let's start out with that question.

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What are some of the good reasons to,

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to engage a psychedelic

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facilitator

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when someone chooses to do psychedelic healing?

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well, you might want

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a certain level of care.

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safety and care that maybe isn't available with

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friends or family or by yourself.

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want,

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when I say safety, I mean, of course,

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like physical safety. We don't want you running

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off into traffic,

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but maybe you want a

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like a psychological

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or emotional safety.

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As we know,

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psychedelics can really

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occasion catharsis.

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have emotional releases. They might have

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old memories resurface.

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And that might not be the kind of

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thing that you feel comfortable talking about with

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just like your buddy.

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But when you're with somebody who you've worked

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with for some time, you've built up kind

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of a therapeutic relationship and a certain amount

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of of rapport and you've already started to

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kind of like open the doors to the

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stuff that's, you know, in your closet,

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it might

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do you really well to go deeper into

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those places and that can allow a lot

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of

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stuff to come up and to be released

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and to be processed and to have somebody

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who's trained who knows how to hold space

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for that and knows how to reflect back

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and sort of guide you into

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like a proactive

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direction,

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can really come in handy.

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For sure. We don't want to be in

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this situation where all of our

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walls are down and we're being very vulnerable

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and we're ready to do work on something

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that's really important to us, but we happen

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to be with somebody who isn't the sort

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of friend that we actually want to share

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those kind of intimate details with because,

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you know, if we're approaching these psychedelic

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modalities

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to heal, sometimes

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the healing

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looks like, you know, bringing up our

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some pretty sensitive secrets.

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Yeah, it can be messy. Yeah.

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And that and it can even

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make things go weird.

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Like, I don't know if you've ever I'm

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sure your audience knows what it's like to

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sit on an uncomfortable secret. Mhmm. Right? Or

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to kind of have stuff that wants to

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come out and wants to be seen, but

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you don't feel safe. And maybe there's shame

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or maybe there's anxiety or whatever it is.

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And you can't share it and

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things can go sideways. Like, people are like,

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what's wrong with you? What's going on? Like,

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the whole vibe gets weirder and weirder and

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weirder.

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So that can happen, right, if you're holding

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things back. On the flip side, I've talked

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who

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have a lot of experience with, like let's

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just MDMA. Let's let's talk about MDMA, for

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example.

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And they've partied with it. They've gone to

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shows. They've gone to concerts. They've gone to,

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you know, good times with their friends in

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front of the fire.

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a sweet time.

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do some more work. I'm already familiar with

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this molecule. I know how it acts

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and then you take them out of the

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one setting

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and you so we should probably talk a

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lot about set and setting tonight.

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So you take them out of this kind

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of friendly recreational setting and you put them

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in a therapeutic setting where the space is

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there for them and it's an entirely different

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medicine.

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And then all of a sudden this person

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can access

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things that again have been wanting to be

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seen and you know, things that have wanting

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wanting to be acknowledged and loved for years

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years years, it can finally come out because

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the space and the setting is there for

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them. Excellent. And, yes, we will be we

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will be talking a lot about, set and

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setting here just in a little bit. The

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other thing I wanna hit before we move

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on about the good reasons, just some of

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the good reasons to use a facilitator,

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is that, a lot of people who are

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drawn to psychedelics have, you know, pretty serious

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preexisting issues that they're trying to sort out,

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whether it be, you know, schizophrenia

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or anxiety or psychosis

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or or a history of things that

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if you're going to try

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to go on a healing path such as

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this,

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it can get complex and perhaps even mentally

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dangerous quickly, and so you might want to

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have someone trained in these areas present instead

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of putting that weight

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of helping you in a crisis situation on

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your friends or just yourself. So I'm sure

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there's a host of those as well.

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There's that. And then also,

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you know, we have the renaissance

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happening. Yeah. Right? Like, you know, like, come

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up is is going on. And

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what this means is that there are a

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whole lot of new people who may have

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never considered psychedelics before. Right? And so I'm

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guessing, you know, from from what I know

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about you and your audience and you know

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our mutual friend,

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Yeah. Daniel Hartrocks.

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Shout out Daniel Hartrocks.

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We've kind of grown up like these are

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heads who have grown up with psychedelic people

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and psychedelic friends and like you know, if

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I needed a friend of mine to sit

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for me, like, I can

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call somebody who's who I've known for some

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time, for years. And I'd be like, Hey,

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you know, I just I kinda wanna do

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this thing. Is it cool? Can you just,

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like, make sure I have tea and the

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music's playing and, like, I feel safe and

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stuff? And my buddy will be like, Cool,

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that sounds awesome. Will you do that for

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me next month? Right? Because we've been through

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it. But then you've got folks who are

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don't have

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that don't have that kind of community. They're

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coming from like, you know, middle class wherever.

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They're coming from 9 to fives. They're coming

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from straight laced family life. Yeah.

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And they're like, I don't know anybody. I

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don't have I don't have any community like

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that.

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And so, they

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kinda need some of that, you know, and

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a facilitator can kind of fill that role

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and also kind of, like, guide them into,

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like, the world

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of psychedelics, like the worldview

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of psychedelics.

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Right on.

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So, my dear audience,

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we are in favor of using a facilitator

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when it's called for. But what we're gonna

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focus on today

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is,

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when you choose to do psychedelics without

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a clinician or a facilitator

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because, you know,

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we are in favor of facilitators, but often,

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you know, sometimes the price is very high,

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getting into the 1,000 of dollars. And sometimes

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folks don't want to take a psychedelic in

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a clinical

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environment and they they're not able to find

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a facilitator that does something not in a

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clinical environment,

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or perhaps they don't want to have the

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facilitator's

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energy

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mingling with themselves

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during the trip. And so there are, you

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know, there are good reasons to want a

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facilitator and there's also good reasons to choose

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to not use a facilitator.

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This little beginning of the show, the point

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is just to tell you that even though

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this show is about

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going it alone or with friends, this does

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not mean that we are

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discouraging the other. So I think we've hit

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that pretty well. Oh, do you wanna say

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something else on that, Daniel?

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Yeah. And I also, again,

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you said the disclaimers. I just I wanna

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use the term sort of harm reduction.

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Right? And education

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and

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benefit maximization. Right? This is offered in the

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spirit of harm reduction.

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You know, this is and this is one

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strange man's opinion.

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So I I definitely suggest,

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you know, checking,

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you know, be like doing your homework and

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things like that. I'm gonna show up for

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you all the best I can. And and

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I'm excited about this because this could we

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can use this as like a resource in

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the future about, like, sort of friends and

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family or solo guide to

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this sort of work. So That is that

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is exactly the goal. The the the Shaping

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Fire episodes are always quite evergreen

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so that they people can continue to use

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them over time. And, you know, sometimes we're

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talking about, you know,

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a handbook of growing cannabis or using cannabis

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or making medicine. And today we're talking about

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psychedelics.

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So, let's get right into it by talking

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about mindset and setting, which you have already

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brought up.

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It's pretty much the cornerstone

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of drug usage.

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And, I'd like to start with the first

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part, mindset.

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What are the some of the factors

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in coming to the psychedelic experience with a

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good mindset? We'll talk about setting in a

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couple of minutes. But let's focus on mindset

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first.

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What what what what do we wanna bring

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to the psychedelic experience for good for their

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best practice results? Well, can I take a

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step back and talk a little bit a

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bit about the history of set and setting?

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For sure. Go for it. So there was

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a time, like, way back in the fifties,

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when

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there were researchers

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who studied

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LSD as

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something that mimicked the

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experience of having psychosis.

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Right? They were like, Oh wow, this molecule

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creates

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a psychosis

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like experience for people. And so if we

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give it to them, they'll be psychotic for

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8 hours and we can study that.

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And sure enough, they would give it to

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people and they would they would give it

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to people and they would go psychotic

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for 8 hours. And then they were shocked

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to meet, like, the hippies of Hate Street

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who had,

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you know, their velvet couches and their paisley

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shirts and their music and lava lamps and

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what have you and that their willingness to

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dance and to be groovy.

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And those people weren't going psychotic. They were

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having mystical experiences of love and oneness.

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And it was confusing

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and what the researchers realized is

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that

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this

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is dependent these molecules are dependent on set

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and setting like Advil

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for example works the same if you take

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it on the mountain or in the beach

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or in an office or on a plane

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and a train, you know, with a goat

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in a boat. Right? Yeah. So they kind

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of decided, oh, it probably just works like

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that. It just works the same. But what

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they found is that if you put somebody

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in a hospital and you strap them to

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a gurney and you put them under bright

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lights and you tell them they're gonna go

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psychotic and then you ask them really probing

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questions with a clipboard for 8 hours, they

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guess what? You get a psychotic person. I

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might do that without I might go psychotic

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in that situation without drugs. Exactly. Yeah. Right?

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And so there has been

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this

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exploration

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about what are optimal

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set and settings

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for particular results for for particular people. And

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like you were saying,

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that might freak me out even without drugs.

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Certain sets certain settings

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and certain sets are better for some people.

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Certain settings are better for other people, right?

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So there's no one size fits all. And

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so this

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journey, you know, hopefully if we're talking about

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healthy use,

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perhaps

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over time.

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Right? And that maybe we're going slow. Maybe

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we're starting with low dosages

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and and so on and so forth. But

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back to

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sentences, back to mindset.

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You're going to bring

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yourself with you into a psychedelic experience,

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right? So you're bringing you,

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right?

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And what they call psychedelics,

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for the most part, the true psychedelics,

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nonspecific

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amplifiers.

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And what nonspecific amplifier

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means is that it brings up the stuff

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that's already there

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in a lot of ways. And sometimes it's

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smooth. Sometimes it does add that love and

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connectivity, and that's really nice too.

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But people say, oh,

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it made

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me anxious or it made me afraid.

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Well,

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not real like, you have that in you

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already. It was bringing that up. It made

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me feel like I was garbage and I

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wasn't worth loving.

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Well, no, you've been carrying that around for

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decades. Now you get a chance to look

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at it. So educating people at least about

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that

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is

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a big deal. So people

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are not so And of course, people forget

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it, of course, all the time. But,

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if you can sit with people and kind

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of coach them on recognizing

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that that's one of the things that can

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possibly happen, that's important. So they're not so

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surprised when they come face to face with

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their own stuff, their own shadow, perhaps.

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What's also important to recognize is not only

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are you dealing with stuff that is potentially

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very, very old,

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but your recent

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environment and experiences play a part. Mhmm. So

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if you have been

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watching

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a lot of election news,

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you know, you've been watching a lot of,

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like, fear based news

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before your trip, that's not gonna help.

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00:19:38,835 --> 00:19:40,295
If you've been watching

546
00:19:40,835 --> 00:19:41,734
horror movies,

547
00:19:42,059 --> 00:19:46,079
that's not gonna help. Although, if you watch

548
00:19:47,980 --> 00:19:50,220
the Lord of the Rings trilogy, that actually

549
00:19:50,220 --> 00:19:50,960
might help.

550
00:19:51,579 --> 00:19:53,899
Right? The hero's journey. Right? So you're tuning

551
00:19:53,899 --> 00:19:56,880
yourself you're tuning yourself into, like, archetypal forces.

552
00:19:57,375 --> 00:19:59,295
So, you know, a good good thing is

553
00:19:59,295 --> 00:20:01,394
that people often do to get ready

554
00:20:01,775 --> 00:20:04,255
is not only they they do various diets

555
00:20:04,255 --> 00:20:06,255
and so they might limit their food, they

556
00:20:06,255 --> 00:20:08,335
might eat cleaner food so that you don't

557
00:20:08,335 --> 00:20:09,855
have to process the food on the journey

558
00:20:09,855 --> 00:20:11,234
and deal with that whole thing.

559
00:20:12,809 --> 00:20:14,029
You might read

560
00:20:14,409 --> 00:20:14,909
more

561
00:20:16,089 --> 00:20:17,549
higher higher vibe literature,

562
00:20:18,089 --> 00:20:19,849
whatever that means for you. I was talking

563
00:20:19,849 --> 00:20:20,349
to

564
00:20:20,889 --> 00:20:22,909
a student yesterday and she was

565
00:20:23,609 --> 00:20:26,169
telling me that she really likes she there's

566
00:20:26,169 --> 00:20:28,494
a graveyard near her house that has a

567
00:20:28,494 --> 00:20:29,474
statue of

568
00:20:29,934 --> 00:20:31,875
Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane

569
00:20:32,494 --> 00:20:34,414
and she reads the Bible and she listens

570
00:20:34,414 --> 00:20:35,315
to George Harrison.

571
00:20:36,095 --> 00:20:38,335
And that's like she knows that works for

572
00:20:38,335 --> 00:20:40,470
her. Mhmm. Right? And I'm not you know,

573
00:20:40,470 --> 00:20:42,869
I I don't have opinions on other people's

574
00:20:42,869 --> 00:20:44,869
religious. So that's just that's just her religious

575
00:20:44,869 --> 00:20:47,190
beliefs. That's her story. Mhmm. And it's nice.

576
00:20:47,190 --> 00:20:49,430
Right? Because it is certainly it's it's really

577
00:20:49,430 --> 00:20:50,950
high vibe for her. It puts her in

578
00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:52,150
a place of faith and it puts her

579
00:20:52,150 --> 00:20:53,529
in a place of love and connectivity.

580
00:20:54,034 --> 00:20:55,974
And for other people that might be,

581
00:20:56,755 --> 00:20:57,654
Tibetan bowls,

582
00:20:57,954 --> 00:21:00,774
right? Or or throat chanting or,

583
00:21:02,755 --> 00:21:05,954
you know, Vedic chanting or devotional chanting or

584
00:21:05,954 --> 00:21:07,514
things like that. But, you know, if we

585
00:21:07,514 --> 00:21:09,095
if we start to turn down

586
00:21:09,730 --> 00:21:11,509
the ordinary and the mundane

587
00:21:11,970 --> 00:21:13,589
and we start to turn up

588
00:21:13,970 --> 00:21:14,470
the

589
00:21:16,289 --> 00:21:16,789
vibrations

590
00:21:17,089 --> 00:21:19,329
that we want to resonate with, you know,

591
00:21:19,329 --> 00:21:21,970
higher vibration things that are in alignment with

592
00:21:21,970 --> 00:21:22,630
our intentions,

593
00:21:23,009 --> 00:21:25,269
that usually goes pretty well for people.

594
00:21:25,625 --> 00:21:27,805
Right? And this brings us to intention, perhaps.

595
00:21:28,265 --> 00:21:29,785
And we can still table it if you

596
00:21:29,785 --> 00:21:31,325
have more questions about sense setting.

597
00:21:32,025 --> 00:21:33,945
Well, just one thing I wanna add too.

598
00:21:33,945 --> 00:21:36,365
I love I love the idea of of,

599
00:21:36,505 --> 00:21:37,085
you know,

600
00:21:37,779 --> 00:21:40,259
creating a mental environment that that you think

601
00:21:40,259 --> 00:21:41,940
is going to work for the kind of

602
00:21:41,940 --> 00:21:44,180
work you want to do, but I also

603
00:21:44,180 --> 00:21:46,180
generally like to point out to people to

604
00:21:46,180 --> 00:21:48,900
to be doing the psychedelic because you want

605
00:21:48,900 --> 00:21:49,400
to.

606
00:21:50,125 --> 00:21:51,804
Over the course of my life. I have

607
00:21:51,804 --> 00:21:54,944
certainly seen people be peer pressured into doing

608
00:21:55,005 --> 00:21:55,505
psychedelics

609
00:21:56,125 --> 00:21:58,605
because the rest of the group was and

610
00:21:58,605 --> 00:22:00,865
to to make sure that you're doing it

611
00:22:01,005 --> 00:22:04,045
for for the right reasons that are that

612
00:22:04,045 --> 00:22:06,609
are your own in addition to, you know,

613
00:22:06,609 --> 00:22:08,150
removing the immediate,

614
00:22:08,930 --> 00:22:11,329
stressors that we were talking about. Right. Oh,

615
00:22:11,329 --> 00:22:13,650
right. So, yeah, turn your phone off. Give

616
00:22:13,650 --> 00:22:15,650
yourself a dopamine break from your phone for

617
00:22:15,650 --> 00:22:16,150
sure.

618
00:22:17,170 --> 00:22:19,089
But when we talk about mindset, one of

619
00:22:19,089 --> 00:22:19,829
the key

620
00:22:20,144 --> 00:22:21,605
tools for mindset is,

621
00:22:22,465 --> 00:22:23,765
having a personal intention.

622
00:22:24,065 --> 00:22:25,765
Right? So like you were saying, man,

623
00:22:27,105 --> 00:22:28,705
know why you're doing it. Like, do it

624
00:22:28,705 --> 00:22:30,465
because you want to and know why you

625
00:22:30,465 --> 00:22:32,465
want to. Like, I'm doing this to heal

626
00:22:32,465 --> 00:22:34,559
this. I'm doing this to look at that.

627
00:22:34,559 --> 00:22:36,900
I'm doing this to become more in alignment

628
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:37,460
with

629
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,320
my romantic partner. I'm doing this to become

630
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,880
more in alignment with the divine. You know,

631
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:43,940
whatever it is.

632
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,440
And then what I usually recommend to people

633
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:47,940
is,

634
00:22:49,285 --> 00:22:51,144
whatever that intention is, is

635
00:22:52,005 --> 00:22:54,085
try to write it out sort of in

636
00:22:54,085 --> 00:22:54,585
like

637
00:22:54,884 --> 00:22:56,884
mantra form. And what I mean by that

638
00:22:56,884 --> 00:22:58,345
is is like short and sweet,

639
00:22:58,805 --> 00:23:00,565
right? You wouldn't want something. Oh, and I

640
00:23:00,565 --> 00:23:01,924
kind of want this and maybe I want

641
00:23:01,924 --> 00:23:03,384
that and the other thing that

642
00:23:04,170 --> 00:23:06,970
You want something like short and sweet that

643
00:23:06,970 --> 00:23:09,150
is gonna kind of cut through the noise.

644
00:23:09,609 --> 00:23:11,289
Right? So that you can focus your mind

645
00:23:11,289 --> 00:23:14,009
on it in a psychedelic state. Right? Some

646
00:23:14,009 --> 00:23:16,509
of our our most well known mantras

647
00:23:16,890 --> 00:23:19,470
in the West are psychedelically inspired.

648
00:23:19,774 --> 00:23:22,174
Things like be here now, right, by Ram

649
00:23:22,174 --> 00:23:24,174
Dass. Everybody knows be here now. That's a

650
00:23:24,174 --> 00:23:25,234
psychedelic intention.

651
00:23:26,575 --> 00:23:28,115
Let it be by the Beatles.

652
00:23:28,654 --> 00:23:30,494
Right? There's a story that says that the

653
00:23:30,494 --> 00:23:32,734
mother Mary that is referenced in let it

654
00:23:32,734 --> 00:23:34,194
be was Maria Sabina,

655
00:23:34,494 --> 00:23:36,950
the curandera from Mexico. Mexico. Right? Let It

656
00:23:36,950 --> 00:23:38,630
Be. And then, of course, we all know

657
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:40,410
Doctor. Bronner is all 1 or none.

658
00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:41,289
Right?

659
00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:43,529
So these sorts of, like, short,

660
00:23:43,910 --> 00:23:44,410
sweet,

661
00:23:44,789 --> 00:23:47,289
like, poignant, like, cut through the noise

662
00:23:48,644 --> 00:23:49,144
intentions

663
00:23:49,684 --> 00:23:52,005
that we can use as an anchor that

664
00:23:52,005 --> 00:23:54,805
will root us in our minds when everything

665
00:23:54,805 --> 00:23:55,545
is swirling.

666
00:23:56,164 --> 00:23:58,245
And if folks are hearing this and going,

667
00:23:58,805 --> 00:24:00,404
I'm not gonna do this woo woo stuff.

668
00:24:00,404 --> 00:24:01,845
I'm just gonna take the drug and go

669
00:24:01,845 --> 00:24:04,200
for it. I wanna encourage you that

670
00:24:04,980 --> 00:24:08,900
these types of intentional setups, they actually do

671
00:24:08,900 --> 00:24:12,440
work. And while to many people, this kind

672
00:24:13,059 --> 00:24:15,159
of internal awareness of intention

673
00:24:15,700 --> 00:24:16,679
might be dismissible,

674
00:24:17,644 --> 00:24:19,724
in this realm that you're about to play

675
00:24:19,724 --> 00:24:20,224
in,

676
00:24:21,164 --> 00:24:21,664
it

677
00:24:22,044 --> 00:24:22,704
is essential.

678
00:24:23,325 --> 00:24:23,825
And

679
00:24:24,684 --> 00:24:26,464
by creating this intention,

680
00:24:26,845 --> 00:24:28,625
you truly give direction

681
00:24:29,005 --> 00:24:29,904
to your

682
00:24:30,605 --> 00:24:31,825
mind and spirit

683
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,920
of the direction that you wanna go. And

684
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:35,980
having an intention

685
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:38,059
and giving your

686
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,900
mind and spirit a direction to go in

687
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,519
is going to be far more effective in

688
00:24:44,519 --> 00:24:45,259
most cases

689
00:24:45,595 --> 00:24:47,934
than just going into it without an intention

690
00:24:48,475 --> 00:24:49,695
and just kind of like

691
00:24:49,995 --> 00:24:53,035
riding the Bronco whatever random direction it goes

692
00:24:53,035 --> 00:24:53,535
in.

693
00:24:53,914 --> 00:24:56,394
We're talking about best practices today and having

694
00:24:56,394 --> 00:24:59,295
intention is truly a cornerstone best practice.

695
00:24:59,769 --> 00:25:01,690
Oh, yeah. I mean, do People can do

696
00:25:01,690 --> 00:25:03,929
what they want. You know, if somebody thinks

697
00:25:03,929 --> 00:25:05,609
that what we're saying is woo woo, I'm

698
00:25:05,609 --> 00:25:07,150
surprised that they're still listening.

699
00:25:08,650 --> 00:25:10,730
And I'm not I'm not really here to

700
00:25:10,890 --> 00:25:12,494
I'm not I'm not trying to sell it.

701
00:25:12,974 --> 00:25:15,055
You're right. Right. Alright. It's known. You know,

702
00:25:15,055 --> 00:25:16,994
you guys and what I would even suggest,

703
00:25:17,934 --> 00:25:19,315
my friends are

704
00:25:19,855 --> 00:25:20,835
try it both ways.

705
00:25:21,615 --> 00:25:22,994
You know? It's like

706
00:25:23,295 --> 00:25:24,515
run run an experiment,

707
00:25:25,535 --> 00:25:27,375
you know, and see how it goes. Report

708
00:25:27,375 --> 00:25:28,470
back. I'd love to hear.

709
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:30,309
You know, do it a couple of different

710
00:25:30,309 --> 00:25:32,630
ways. Come to our we've got integration circles

711
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:34,069
where people can come and talk about this

712
00:25:34,069 --> 00:25:35,669
stuff every week. Let me know how it

713
00:25:35,669 --> 00:25:38,069
goes. Right on. The last thing I wanna

714
00:25:38,069 --> 00:25:39,609
touch on here in mindset,

715
00:25:41,365 --> 00:25:42,744
well, good mindset anyway,

716
00:25:43,125 --> 00:25:43,525
is,

717
00:25:44,325 --> 00:25:46,825
I think it's pretty important to have faith

718
00:25:46,884 --> 00:25:48,345
in your drugs.

719
00:25:48,964 --> 00:25:51,924
If if if your, if your psychedelic comes

720
00:25:51,924 --> 00:25:53,384
from a sketchy source

721
00:25:54,109 --> 00:25:56,930
and you're not sure what you're taking,

722
00:25:58,910 --> 00:26:01,309
that can come up at the worst times

723
00:26:01,309 --> 00:26:04,029
right as the psychedelic is coming on and

724
00:26:04,029 --> 00:26:06,590
you suddenly feel like it's brewing and it's

725
00:26:06,590 --> 00:26:08,365
about to come on and then suddenly you

726
00:26:08,365 --> 00:26:10,605
get this hit of adrenaline because now you're

727
00:26:10,605 --> 00:26:13,644
second guessing your source. And of course, any

728
00:26:13,644 --> 00:26:15,585
kind of drug, even if they're not psychedelics,

729
00:26:15,644 --> 00:26:18,144
you should know your source. But with psychedelics,

730
00:26:18,444 --> 00:26:19,505
since it's such

731
00:26:20,420 --> 00:26:21,880
a momentous experience,

732
00:26:22,579 --> 00:26:24,839
be sure to have faith in the quality

733
00:26:24,900 --> 00:26:27,720
and cleanliness of the psychedelic that you're using,

734
00:26:28,339 --> 00:26:31,059
because not only are there it's important for

735
00:26:31,059 --> 00:26:33,940
your personal health, but it's also important for

736
00:26:33,940 --> 00:26:34,920
your mindset.

737
00:26:35,404 --> 00:26:37,244
You can just kinda, like, check that box

738
00:26:37,244 --> 00:26:40,044
of safety off that that that that you

739
00:26:40,044 --> 00:26:42,625
don't have to worry about the veracity

740
00:26:43,085 --> 00:26:45,565
of of of the of the psychedelic that

741
00:26:45,565 --> 00:26:46,304
you're taking.

742
00:26:46,684 --> 00:26:48,684
This is an interesting point. Yeah. So test

743
00:26:48,684 --> 00:26:51,179
your drugs, kids. Right? Go to DanceSafe. You

744
00:26:51,179 --> 00:26:53,099
can you can get drug tests. You can

745
00:26:53,099 --> 00:26:55,019
get test kits. I think if you go

746
00:26:55,019 --> 00:26:56,940
to my link tree on Instagram, like, I

747
00:26:56,940 --> 00:26:57,440
think,

748
00:26:58,859 --> 00:27:01,019
with, role kit, like, I'm an affiliate for

749
00:27:01,019 --> 00:27:03,019
role kit. You can you can get test

750
00:27:03,019 --> 00:27:03,920
kits there too.

751
00:27:05,414 --> 00:27:08,634
But we want to get as much sketchiness

752
00:27:09,815 --> 00:27:11,894
out of the thing as we out of

753
00:27:11,894 --> 00:27:14,375
the situation as we possibly can. Right? For

754
00:27:14,375 --> 00:27:15,815
those of us who kind of grew up

755
00:27:15,815 --> 00:27:17,575
under the kind of the shadow of the

756
00:27:17,575 --> 00:27:19,494
drug war, right? We knew that there was

757
00:27:19,494 --> 00:27:20,475
a lot of stigma.

758
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,259
There was a lot of fear.

759
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,200
We were worried about getting caught. We were

760
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,460
worried about what would happen if people knew.

761
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,619
There was all of this anxiety around that

762
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,700
and also that ends up internalizing

763
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:35,539
as self judgment.

764
00:27:35,845 --> 00:27:37,525
Oh, am I doing something wrong? And maybe

765
00:27:37,525 --> 00:27:39,285
on some level, we get off on doing

766
00:27:39,285 --> 00:27:41,445
something that's a little taboo, but on another

767
00:27:41,445 --> 00:27:43,845
level, like, it gets in there. And I

768
00:27:43,845 --> 00:27:45,205
don't know if any of you have had

769
00:27:45,205 --> 00:27:47,945
the chance to take psychedelics in Colorado

770
00:27:48,485 --> 00:27:50,105
since it's been decriminalized,

771
00:27:50,884 --> 00:27:51,384
but

772
00:27:51,869 --> 00:27:53,809
it's kind of a whole different thing.

773
00:27:54,430 --> 00:27:56,829
Because that kind of worry and those belief

774
00:27:56,829 --> 00:27:58,990
systems that are kind of cultural and we've

775
00:27:58,990 --> 00:28:01,890
been carrying them around in our in our,

776
00:28:02,430 --> 00:28:05,230
subculture for some time, that's starting to get

777
00:28:05,230 --> 00:28:07,474
cleaned up. And people are starting to be

778
00:28:07,474 --> 00:28:08,375
able to have

779
00:28:08,755 --> 00:28:09,734
freer experiences

780
00:28:10,355 --> 00:28:11,414
where they are not

781
00:28:11,714 --> 00:28:14,434
worried about being caught or being judged or

782
00:28:14,434 --> 00:28:15,335
things like that.

783
00:28:16,674 --> 00:28:17,894
But part of that means

784
00:28:18,274 --> 00:28:20,454
is that you potentially have an opportunity

785
00:28:20,990 --> 00:28:23,549
to cultivate relationships with people in a new

786
00:28:23,549 --> 00:28:26,109
way where it's not surreptitious and it's not

787
00:28:26,109 --> 00:28:27,009
under a bridge

788
00:28:27,470 --> 00:28:28,349
and you can,

789
00:28:29,150 --> 00:28:31,170
you know, I got pals who were on

790
00:28:31,470 --> 00:28:33,789
Instagram saying, hey, please come learn how to

791
00:28:33,789 --> 00:28:35,890
microdose. I'll give you a month's supply.

792
00:28:36,335 --> 00:28:39,375
Right? It's it's wild. They're in Colorado. And

793
00:28:39,375 --> 00:28:40,515
so, like, that's

794
00:28:41,134 --> 00:28:43,055
hopefully gonna become more and more of the

795
00:28:43,055 --> 00:28:45,234
norm where people can feel,

796
00:28:47,134 --> 00:28:48,835
free and confident

797
00:28:49,470 --> 00:28:50,690
and peaceful

798
00:28:50,990 --> 00:28:52,990
around the fact that they are exercising their

799
00:28:52,990 --> 00:28:54,049
cognitive liberty.

800
00:28:54,750 --> 00:28:55,490
Right on.

801
00:28:55,869 --> 00:28:56,369
So,

802
00:28:57,470 --> 00:28:58,929
I want to touch on briefly

803
00:28:59,309 --> 00:29:01,410
some of the factors that would constitute,

804
00:29:01,954 --> 00:29:04,515
like, maybe a challenging mindset. Like, I already

805
00:29:04,515 --> 00:29:05,575
mentioned one earlier,

806
00:29:05,954 --> 00:29:07,875
the feeling of being pressured, like you're being

807
00:29:07,875 --> 00:29:09,875
peer pressured to do it because, you know,

808
00:29:09,875 --> 00:29:11,474
your other people in your life are doing

809
00:29:11,474 --> 00:29:13,394
it and they're kind of dragging you into

810
00:29:13,394 --> 00:29:14,775
it when you're not ready.

811
00:29:15,849 --> 00:29:18,250
What might be another, you know, 1 or

812
00:29:18,250 --> 00:29:21,769
2 mindsets that are challenging that you might

813
00:29:21,769 --> 00:29:24,809
caution folks to take a psychedelics during that

814
00:29:24,809 --> 00:29:25,950
period of their life?

815
00:29:26,409 --> 00:29:28,509
Well, are you fighting with your girl?

816
00:29:29,904 --> 00:29:31,605
Did you just lose your job?

817
00:29:32,625 --> 00:29:34,005
Do you not have

818
00:29:35,664 --> 00:29:37,684
housing? Do you not have safe housing?

819
00:29:38,625 --> 00:29:40,565
Did your electricity get turned off?

820
00:29:41,505 --> 00:29:43,365
Have you not been eating well?

821
00:29:44,509 --> 00:29:45,730
These kinds of things.

822
00:29:46,109 --> 00:29:47,169
Yeah. So,

823
00:29:47,470 --> 00:29:49,390
you know, you would want there's like a

824
00:29:49,390 --> 00:29:50,450
Maslow's hierarchy.

825
00:29:50,829 --> 00:29:53,809
So you definitely want, like, your basic safety

826
00:29:53,869 --> 00:29:57,309
needs taken care of. Right. So that kind

827
00:29:57,309 --> 00:29:57,970
of thing.

828
00:29:58,595 --> 00:29:59,815
You would want your

829
00:30:00,595 --> 00:30:01,095
relationships,

830
00:30:03,394 --> 00:30:03,974
you know,

831
00:30:04,595 --> 00:30:07,555
relatively speaking, to be in a fairly good

832
00:30:07,555 --> 00:30:09,955
spot. You know, you'd want a certain amount

833
00:30:09,955 --> 00:30:10,455
of

834
00:30:10,835 --> 00:30:11,335
space

835
00:30:11,795 --> 00:30:14,130
in your work life, Right? You wouldn't want

836
00:30:14,130 --> 00:30:15,029
to have to

837
00:30:16,529 --> 00:30:18,450
be on the phone right up until you

838
00:30:18,450 --> 00:30:20,529
took the medicine and then be on the

839
00:30:20,529 --> 00:30:21,029
phone

840
00:30:21,570 --> 00:30:23,190
right as it wears down.

841
00:30:23,809 --> 00:30:25,029
Right? That would be

842
00:30:25,525 --> 00:30:27,605
stressful, especially if it's a stressful thing Yeah.

843
00:30:27,765 --> 00:30:28,825
Going on at work.

844
00:30:29,924 --> 00:30:30,984
So these kinds

845
00:30:31,765 --> 00:30:32,505
of pressure.

846
00:30:33,045 --> 00:30:36,404
Right? So it's interesting because your podcast is

847
00:30:36,404 --> 00:30:37,704
called Shaping Fire.

848
00:30:38,339 --> 00:30:40,599
And I'm really interested in

849
00:30:42,179 --> 00:30:43,319
the idea of shape.

850
00:30:44,019 --> 00:30:47,059
Right? From, like, a somatic perspective. Mhmm. Right?

851
00:30:47,059 --> 00:30:48,819
So you're you're familiar do you think your

852
00:30:48,819 --> 00:30:50,519
people are familiar with the term somatic?

853
00:30:51,044 --> 00:30:53,044
Sure. But not everybody. So go right ahead

854
00:30:53,044 --> 00:30:55,365
and fill it in. So somatic is a

855
00:30:55,365 --> 00:30:57,444
Greek term. It means the living body in

856
00:30:57,444 --> 00:30:58,105
its wholeness.

857
00:30:58,724 --> 00:31:00,804
And so it means that we're this holistic

858
00:31:00,804 --> 00:31:02,664
organism, this mind, body,

859
00:31:03,044 --> 00:31:04,024
nervous system

860
00:31:04,869 --> 00:31:06,409
thing entity break personality,

861
00:31:07,429 --> 00:31:10,009
whole this whole thing and this whole thing

862
00:31:10,069 --> 00:31:11,210
is a whole thing.

863
00:31:12,549 --> 00:31:13,769
And it is

864
00:31:14,390 --> 00:31:14,890
expressed

865
00:31:15,429 --> 00:31:17,845
through the body, right? So so one of

866
00:31:17,845 --> 00:31:19,785
the ideas of of of somatic

867
00:31:20,484 --> 00:31:21,865
kind of theory philosophy

868
00:31:22,325 --> 00:31:23,704
is that your entire

869
00:31:24,005 --> 00:31:24,825
your body

870
00:31:26,244 --> 00:31:29,065
is a representation of your entire history.

871
00:31:30,150 --> 00:31:33,029
Right? Everything that has happened to you is

872
00:31:33,029 --> 00:31:35,830
smudged on your body like clay in some

873
00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:37,830
ways. So the way that you walk, the

874
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:39,750
way that you hold yourself, the way that

875
00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:41,609
you react under stress and pressure.

876
00:31:41,910 --> 00:31:44,410
Right? This has been developed over years,

877
00:31:44,944 --> 00:31:46,164
Right? Through,

878
00:31:46,785 --> 00:31:48,884
through your experience. Right? And the way

879
00:31:49,424 --> 00:31:51,984
people work in the world. And then what's

880
00:31:51,984 --> 00:31:53,765
interesting is that once you're shaped,

881
00:31:55,025 --> 00:31:56,545
you then shape the world that way and

882
00:31:56,545 --> 00:31:58,005
then you shape your own experience.

883
00:31:58,559 --> 00:32:01,039
Because let's say somebody feels like they're not

884
00:32:01,039 --> 00:32:02,960
worthy of love. Like, they have that deep

885
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,119
belief. I'm not worthy of love. I don't

886
00:32:05,119 --> 00:32:07,200
deserve it. There isn't enough love out there

887
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,220
for me. Well, you can imagine

888
00:32:10,079 --> 00:32:12,319
how somebody who believes that deep in their

889
00:32:12,319 --> 00:32:14,295
soul since they were, like, 5 years old

890
00:32:14,455 --> 00:32:16,215
might walk through the world and hold themselves

891
00:32:16,215 --> 00:32:18,134
in their body. Mhmm. It's gonna be very

892
00:32:18,134 --> 00:32:20,455
different. Like, you could put 2 people and

893
00:32:20,455 --> 00:32:22,455
somebody who's like, I'm definitely worthy of love.

894
00:32:22,455 --> 00:32:23,975
Like, I'm full of love. I've loved to

895
00:32:23,975 --> 00:32:26,535
give. I'm open to receive love. I know

896
00:32:26,535 --> 00:32:28,279
it's it's the best stuff in the world.

897
00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:29,880
Mhmm. I love my friends. I love my

898
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,799
family. They love me. I know it. And

899
00:32:31,799 --> 00:32:33,400
you put those 2 people next to each

900
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,420
other and you tell them, just stand neutral.

901
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:37,579
You can tell who's who.

902
00:32:38,599 --> 00:32:41,894
It'd be obvious. Mhmm. Right? And so then

903
00:32:41,894 --> 00:32:44,054
the way those people move through the world

904
00:32:44,054 --> 00:32:45,115
is gonna be different.

905
00:32:46,134 --> 00:32:47,815
Right? And so the person who doesn't believe

906
00:32:47,815 --> 00:32:49,914
they're worthy of love is going to act

907
00:32:50,054 --> 00:32:52,154
in ways that reinforce that.

908
00:32:52,694 --> 00:32:54,294
And the person who believes that they are

909
00:32:54,294 --> 00:32:56,789
worthy of love is gonna act in ways

910
00:32:56,789 --> 00:32:59,190
that reinforces that. And then they're gonna get

911
00:32:59,190 --> 00:33:00,630
more of what they've been getting because they

912
00:33:00,630 --> 00:33:01,849
keep doing what they're doing.

913
00:33:03,829 --> 00:33:04,649
And so

914
00:33:05,509 --> 00:33:07,769
what we are trying to do is,

915
00:33:08,444 --> 00:33:10,044
what was the question? How did I get

916
00:33:10,044 --> 00:33:12,765
to this? I love talking about this. Shaping

917
00:33:12,765 --> 00:33:14,464
fire. We're shaping ourselves.

918
00:33:16,044 --> 00:33:17,804
What was your I'm sorry. I'm paying. We

919
00:33:17,804 --> 00:33:18,944
had started on

920
00:33:19,724 --> 00:33:23,410
the factors that constitute a challenging mindset, a

921
00:33:23,410 --> 00:33:25,589
time that you maybe wouldn't wanna do psychedelics.

922
00:33:25,970 --> 00:33:26,470
Right.

923
00:33:29,089 --> 00:33:29,589
So

924
00:33:30,690 --> 00:33:33,410
relatively So like, hopefully, we're in in decent

925
00:33:33,410 --> 00:33:36,930
relationships relatively speaking. Mhmm. Right? And we're able

926
00:33:36,930 --> 00:33:38,309
to kind of show up

927
00:33:38,615 --> 00:33:41,355
in a way that is present and available

928
00:33:41,734 --> 00:33:42,955
to receive the medicine.

929
00:33:43,414 --> 00:33:43,914
Right?

930
00:33:44,295 --> 00:33:46,055
And I'm still trying to figure out what

931
00:33:46,055 --> 00:33:47,355
that has to do with shape,

932
00:33:47,894 --> 00:33:48,394
but

933
00:33:48,934 --> 00:33:50,775
we are going to start to be able

934
00:33:50,775 --> 00:33:52,634
to see our shape in a new way.

935
00:33:53,039 --> 00:33:54,740
Right? And if we are constantly

936
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:55,940
tense

937
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:57,299
and stressed,

938
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,759
right, we're gonna wear that and we're gonna

939
00:33:59,759 --> 00:34:02,180
have to spend time kind of like unwinding

940
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,480
that. Whereas, like, maybe if you've been doing

941
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,160
some yoga, you've been opening up your body,

942
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,594
you've been taking care of it. Like like

943
00:34:08,594 --> 00:34:12,114
the body the the body set is as

944
00:34:12,114 --> 00:34:14,114
important as the mindset, I guess, is what

945
00:34:14,114 --> 00:34:15,255
I'm trying to get at.

946
00:34:15,875 --> 00:34:16,695
And so,

947
00:34:18,994 --> 00:34:19,494
yeah.

948
00:34:19,954 --> 00:34:21,974
So when we're looking at

949
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:23,659
challenging experiences,

950
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,199
sometimes we do need a reset, I guess,

951
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:27,420
is what I'm getting at.

952
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,199
Right? So sometimes people like, I've tried everything.

953
00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:31,420
I'm in a bad place

954
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,719
and I something's gotta change and something's gotta

955
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,440
change now. Yeah. Like, sometimes people have to

956
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,144
come to psychedelics like that, but hopefully, you

957
00:34:39,144 --> 00:34:39,804
can still

958
00:34:40,105 --> 00:34:43,304
carve out enough space. Right? That's another somatic

959
00:34:43,304 --> 00:34:45,784
word. Space. So that you can embody the

960
00:34:45,784 --> 00:34:48,025
space in its fullness and be present for

961
00:34:48,025 --> 00:34:49,944
it, be open, and not have to worry

962
00:34:49,944 --> 00:34:52,210
about the pressures of the world

963
00:34:52,670 --> 00:34:54,190
shaping you in such a way that you

964
00:34:54,190 --> 00:34:55,949
can't. You can't stand up straight in the

965
00:34:55,949 --> 00:34:56,449
open.

966
00:34:56,750 --> 00:34:57,569
Right on.

967
00:34:58,349 --> 00:35:00,989
So that was the mindset and we've been

968
00:35:00,989 --> 00:35:02,289
talking about the cornerstone

969
00:35:02,750 --> 00:35:03,489
of psychedelcustis,

970
00:35:03,949 --> 00:35:05,655
which is mindset and setting.

971
00:35:06,135 --> 00:35:07,815
So, so now, let's talk a little bit

972
00:35:07,815 --> 00:35:10,775
about setting, which is, you know, often a

973
00:35:10,775 --> 00:35:12,394
little easier to make

974
00:35:13,175 --> 00:35:14,875
good than the mindset part.

975
00:35:15,335 --> 00:35:15,735
So,

976
00:35:16,295 --> 00:35:18,295
since you are the educator in this area,

977
00:35:18,295 --> 00:35:20,320
let's why don't we I'll start by sending

978
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,400
giving you a general question here. What are

979
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:23,460
some of the factors

980
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,300
in establishing a good setting for doing psychedelics?

981
00:35:33,565 --> 00:35:36,065
It should probably be sweet. Right?

982
00:35:36,445 --> 00:35:38,864
Let's just let's start let's let's

983
00:35:40,445 --> 00:35:42,304
radiate out from the word sweet.

984
00:35:43,405 --> 00:35:43,905
Right?

985
00:35:44,844 --> 00:35:47,265
It should be sweet and nice and comfortable

986
00:35:47,405 --> 00:35:48,224
and safe.

987
00:35:48,890 --> 00:35:50,670
Right? And not too overwrought.

988
00:35:51,130 --> 00:35:54,170
Although sometimes people, depending on the molecule, sometimes

989
00:35:54,170 --> 00:35:55,230
people like overwrought.

990
00:35:55,610 --> 00:35:56,969
You know, it's like we know what like

991
00:35:56,969 --> 00:35:58,809
the LSD hippies of the sixties, how they

992
00:35:58,809 --> 00:35:59,949
decorated their spaces,

993
00:36:00,410 --> 00:36:02,250
right? They liked a lot of stuff that

994
00:36:02,250 --> 00:36:04,265
was very vibrant and alive, and and that's

995
00:36:04,265 --> 00:36:06,364
kind of fun. Sometimes it's a little bubblegummy

996
00:36:06,425 --> 00:36:07,164
for some people,

997
00:36:07,785 --> 00:36:09,324
but sometimes it's really fun.

998
00:36:09,864 --> 00:36:12,925
Right? And then, you know, sometimes for

999
00:36:13,224 --> 00:36:15,805
depending on the molecule, sometimes psilocybin,

1000
00:36:16,184 --> 00:36:18,525
people spend most of their time just inside,

1001
00:36:18,739 --> 00:36:21,059
Right? Like, with their eyes closed. Mhmm. Right?

1002
00:36:21,059 --> 00:36:23,239
If they're journeying inward, it makes,

1003
00:36:24,179 --> 00:36:25,799
it's less of an issue.

1004
00:36:26,339 --> 00:36:27,859
One thing we do know for sure, it

1005
00:36:27,859 --> 00:36:29,079
should be neat and clean.

1006
00:36:29,699 --> 00:36:30,199
Right?

1007
00:36:31,315 --> 00:36:33,414
So we want something that's neat and clean

1008
00:36:33,875 --> 00:36:36,434
and, you know, has a ceremonial energy to

1009
00:36:36,434 --> 00:36:38,755
it in some ways, depending on whatever that

1010
00:36:38,755 --> 00:36:39,735
means for you.

1011
00:36:40,675 --> 00:36:43,175
You know, a sense of perhaps sacredness.

1012
00:36:44,139 --> 00:36:46,239
Right? So you might want to think about,

1013
00:36:46,380 --> 00:36:48,139
again, like, where is your head at and

1014
00:36:48,139 --> 00:36:49,440
what are you trying to create?

1015
00:36:49,980 --> 00:36:52,139
Like, if you create more of a temple

1016
00:36:52,139 --> 00:36:52,639
atmosphere,

1017
00:36:53,019 --> 00:36:54,960
you might have more of a temple experience.

1018
00:36:56,445 --> 00:36:58,445
Right? If you have just sort of a

1019
00:36:58,445 --> 00:36:58,945
very,

1020
00:37:01,885 --> 00:37:03,105
clean, minimal

1021
00:37:03,565 --> 00:37:04,545
kind of experience,

1022
00:37:05,085 --> 00:37:07,265
well, there's maybe not a lot for the

1023
00:37:07,405 --> 00:37:09,644
mind to project onto, and it encourages the

1024
00:37:09,644 --> 00:37:10,704
mind to go inside.

1025
00:37:11,570 --> 00:37:12,929
But some of the things that I might

1026
00:37:12,929 --> 00:37:14,530
say is you decorate it however you want

1027
00:37:14,530 --> 00:37:16,210
and you talk to, you know, you talk

1028
00:37:16,210 --> 00:37:17,030
to your friends

1029
00:37:17,329 --> 00:37:20,469
about that. And, you know, maybe you want

1030
00:37:20,690 --> 00:37:21,989
a picture of

1031
00:37:22,610 --> 00:37:24,050
your kids. Maybe you want a picture of

1032
00:37:24,050 --> 00:37:25,489
your parents. Maybe you want a picture of

1033
00:37:25,489 --> 00:37:26,550
yourself as a kid,

1034
00:37:26,945 --> 00:37:29,184
depending on what you wanna work on. Maybe

1035
00:37:29,184 --> 00:37:31,364
you want people who are inspiring to you.

1036
00:37:33,585 --> 00:37:35,425
But, you know, what what is kind of

1037
00:37:35,425 --> 00:37:37,844
important is that it's a container.

1038
00:37:38,864 --> 00:37:41,364
Right? You kinda don't really want

1039
00:37:42,130 --> 00:37:43,590
strangers wandering in.

1040
00:37:44,369 --> 00:37:46,210
Right? You want it to be neat and

1041
00:37:46,210 --> 00:37:48,869
clean and, in many cases, simple,

1042
00:37:49,730 --> 00:37:51,190
in many cases, ceremonial.

1043
00:37:51,570 --> 00:37:53,829
And you want to kinda be sure that

1044
00:37:54,050 --> 00:37:55,590
you're not gonna be bothered

1045
00:37:56,054 --> 00:37:57,355
because that can be,

1046
00:37:59,255 --> 00:38:03,835
unpleasant. Right? Yeah. An intrusive, unexpected person suddenly

1047
00:38:03,974 --> 00:38:06,315
can really change the direction,

1048
00:38:06,855 --> 00:38:09,175
not only because we might have to, for

1049
00:38:09,175 --> 00:38:09,835
a moment,

1050
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,980
try to present ourselves as,

1051
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,840
you know, sober and regular when we're actually

1052
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,239
having, you know, a pretty heavy duty breakthrough

1053
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:19,760
moment and suddenly we have to fake it

1054
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,099
for somebody, that can that can get messy,

1055
00:38:22,764 --> 00:38:25,244
especially if that person will be bothered if

1056
00:38:25,244 --> 00:38:27,565
they figure out that we're on psychedelics. So,

1057
00:38:27,565 --> 00:38:30,304
you know, being being in a good location,

1058
00:38:30,364 --> 00:38:32,525
a safe location that feels safe is pretty

1059
00:38:32,525 --> 00:38:33,025
essential

1060
00:38:33,644 --> 00:38:35,644
and and I would also include some of

1061
00:38:35,644 --> 00:38:36,385
the biological

1062
00:38:36,684 --> 00:38:38,760
needs too. You know, a source of water,

1063
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:39,500
a bathroom,

1064
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,380
somewhere where there's not gonna be any threats.

1065
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:44,840
And some of the other things that I've

1066
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,320
recommended to people include a notepad and a

1067
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:48,619
pen, art supplies,

1068
00:38:49,175 --> 00:38:51,734
you know, soft blankets to soothe your nervous

1069
00:38:51,734 --> 00:38:52,234
system,

1070
00:38:53,655 --> 00:38:55,355
trippy items, and

1071
00:38:56,054 --> 00:38:58,474
sometimes movies that are your favorite.

1072
00:38:59,175 --> 00:39:01,175
For me, I have always been very focused

1073
00:39:01,175 --> 00:39:03,914
on nature. I'm not really an indoor psychedelics

1074
00:39:04,135 --> 00:39:04,635
person.

1075
00:39:04,980 --> 00:39:05,639
I'm a

1076
00:39:06,260 --> 00:39:07,000
get outside

1077
00:39:07,539 --> 00:39:09,300
where I know that there's not gonna be

1078
00:39:09,300 --> 00:39:10,039
anybody around

1079
00:39:10,420 --> 00:39:12,500
and then, you know, start looking at bugs

1080
00:39:12,500 --> 00:39:15,460
and mycelium and the weird the sun glistening

1081
00:39:15,460 --> 00:39:17,539
off the waves and things like that. But

1082
00:39:17,539 --> 00:39:19,159
everybody has their own

1083
00:39:20,195 --> 00:39:21,335
their own style

1084
00:39:21,954 --> 00:39:24,755
of of what, you know, creates that that

1085
00:39:24,755 --> 00:39:27,255
vessel or that that safe space for them.

1086
00:39:27,394 --> 00:39:30,675
And and it's it is really worth thinking

1087
00:39:30,675 --> 00:39:33,155
about it in advance and writing yourself some

1088
00:39:33,155 --> 00:39:33,655
notes

1089
00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:35,980
and kind of like you're planning a vacation

1090
00:39:36,039 --> 00:39:36,780
for yourself

1091
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:38,940
so that when you do,

1092
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,380
when you do take the psychedelic, it's

1093
00:39:42,679 --> 00:39:45,800
like, Oh, somebody who really cares about me

1094
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,724
planned this experience for me and the person

1095
00:39:48,724 --> 00:39:50,265
who cares about you is yourself.

1096
00:39:52,164 --> 00:39:52,664
Yes.

1097
00:39:53,045 --> 00:39:55,065
And I do want to just note that

1098
00:39:56,085 --> 00:39:58,344
it might be different depending on

1099
00:39:58,644 --> 00:39:59,465
your dosage.

1100
00:40:01,329 --> 00:40:02,070
Right. So

1101
00:40:02,530 --> 00:40:04,609
people might microdose and then just go about

1102
00:40:04,609 --> 00:40:06,849
their daily life. Right. Right. Because it's it's

1103
00:40:06,849 --> 00:40:07,589
sub perceptual.

1104
00:40:08,130 --> 00:40:09,349
And then there is

1105
00:40:09,889 --> 00:40:12,050
things that slightly up from there, you know,

1106
00:40:12,050 --> 00:40:14,469
is maybe sometimes called the hycro dose

1107
00:40:15,224 --> 00:40:16,925
where people are taking maybe,

1108
00:40:17,625 --> 00:40:18,285
you know,

1109
00:40:19,144 --> 00:40:20,905
a little bit more than a microdose to

1110
00:40:20,905 --> 00:40:22,045
kind of make the,

1111
00:40:22,345 --> 00:40:24,605
you know, the leaves shimmer a little, but

1112
00:40:24,664 --> 00:40:28,184
they're not their cognition isn't impaired that much

1113
00:40:28,184 --> 00:40:31,179
or sometimes called a museum dose. Right? This

1114
00:40:31,179 --> 00:40:32,719
kind of dose where you would

1115
00:40:33,260 --> 00:40:34,000
feel comfortable

1116
00:40:34,699 --> 00:40:37,179
going to a museum. Right? Maybe a little

1117
00:40:37,179 --> 00:40:38,460
bit. Maybe you take a little bit more

1118
00:40:38,460 --> 00:40:40,460
to go to a concert. Right? Or maybe

1119
00:40:40,460 --> 00:40:42,539
depending on how you roll, maybe you're taking

1120
00:40:42,539 --> 00:40:43,660
quite a bit more to go to a

1121
00:40:43,660 --> 00:40:46,614
concert And then maybe we're going towards something

1122
00:40:46,994 --> 00:40:47,494
approaching

1123
00:40:47,875 --> 00:40:48,375
heroic.

1124
00:40:48,675 --> 00:40:49,175
Mhmm.

1125
00:40:49,795 --> 00:40:52,135
Right? Where being out in public

1126
00:40:53,155 --> 00:40:54,295
wouldn't do it all.

1127
00:40:54,594 --> 00:40:56,514
Right? And maybe you could be in a

1128
00:40:56,514 --> 00:40:58,949
campground in nature or things like that, but

1129
00:40:59,349 --> 00:41:01,050
you would probably really want

1130
00:41:01,829 --> 00:41:03,530
someone to look out for you a bit.

1131
00:41:03,909 --> 00:41:04,789
Right? Like, if you're in a

1132
00:41:05,909 --> 00:41:07,449
again, depending on dosage.

1133
00:41:07,750 --> 00:41:09,989
And this is why the general wisdom says

1134
00:41:09,989 --> 00:41:11,690
start low and go slow. Yeah.

1135
00:41:12,045 --> 00:41:13,804
Right? So it's like, okay. I know that,

1136
00:41:13,804 --> 00:41:15,484
like, if I do like, I can pretty

1137
00:41:15,484 --> 00:41:17,085
much manage. I can make a fire and

1138
00:41:17,085 --> 00:41:18,625
not burn myself on this amount

1139
00:41:19,005 --> 00:41:19,744
of this.

1140
00:41:20,444 --> 00:41:22,525
But, you know, if I'm really gonna melt

1141
00:41:22,525 --> 00:41:23,025
down,

1142
00:41:23,405 --> 00:41:25,644
you know, maybe somebody wants to watch me

1143
00:41:25,644 --> 00:41:26,385
if there's

1144
00:41:27,679 --> 00:41:30,559
a river rushing by. Mhmm. You know, because

1145
00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:32,319
I might need them to tell me that,

1146
00:41:32,319 --> 00:41:34,099
like, I'm not a fish. Yeah.

1147
00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:36,639
This might not be the best time to

1148
00:41:36,639 --> 00:41:37,920
go for a swim, my friend. Why don't

1149
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:39,119
we come on back over here for a

1150
00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:40,400
little bit and look at the water or

1151
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,045
whatever? Yeah. And this is also this brings

1152
00:41:43,045 --> 00:41:43,864
us to,

1153
00:41:44,644 --> 00:41:46,105
you know, regardless of,

1154
00:41:46,565 --> 00:41:47,144
you know,

1155
00:41:48,724 --> 00:41:50,164
it's hard to do this by yourself, but

1156
00:41:50,164 --> 00:41:51,844
if you're gonna do this with with other

1157
00:41:51,844 --> 00:41:54,344
people, having some ground rules and agreements,

1158
00:41:55,219 --> 00:41:56,980
You know, that's also good that when we're

1159
00:41:56,980 --> 00:41:58,119
talking about containers,

1160
00:41:58,659 --> 00:42:00,279
right, it's sort of like ethical

1161
00:42:01,139 --> 00:42:01,639
and

1162
00:42:01,940 --> 00:42:03,079
relational containers

1163
00:42:03,699 --> 00:42:04,199
of,

1164
00:42:05,139 --> 00:42:07,219
you know, that we're all going to we're

1165
00:42:07,219 --> 00:42:08,839
all agreeing that we're staying

1166
00:42:09,324 --> 00:42:11,085
in this area. Whether we're staying in this

1167
00:42:11,085 --> 00:42:12,684
house or we're staying in this backyard, we're

1168
00:42:12,684 --> 00:42:15,005
staying in this campsite, we're staying here for

1169
00:42:15,005 --> 00:42:15,744
this time.

1170
00:42:16,125 --> 00:42:18,684
You know, we're we're gonna agree that for

1171
00:42:18,684 --> 00:42:20,864
this time, we're gonna keep our clothes on,

1172
00:42:20,925 --> 00:42:22,285
you know, or not depending on how you

1173
00:42:22,285 --> 00:42:24,559
party. Right? Right. But, you know, we're not

1174
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:26,099
nobody's going to,

1175
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,760
you know, there's a good nobody's gonna try

1176
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,239
and sleep with anybody. Nobody's gonna cause any

1177
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:33,539
physical harm to anybody.

1178
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,954
One one of the popular ones in with

1179
00:42:35,954 --> 00:42:38,275
my friends is no one's going to turn

1180
00:42:38,275 --> 00:42:40,135
on their phone or make a phone call.

1181
00:42:40,595 --> 00:42:42,755
Yeah. Okay. Occasionally, we will need to use

1182
00:42:42,755 --> 00:42:43,735
our phones because

1183
00:42:44,355 --> 00:42:45,795
you're trying to tell a story and you

1184
00:42:45,795 --> 00:42:47,954
really need some data point that might be

1185
00:42:47,954 --> 00:42:49,315
on your phone, you know, like, Oh, what

1186
00:42:49,315 --> 00:42:51,239
was that place called? Or whatever. I wanna

1187
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,079
show you this picture or whatever, which can

1188
00:42:53,079 --> 00:42:53,820
all be fun.

1189
00:42:54,199 --> 00:42:56,440
But for goodness sakes, you know, don't place

1190
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:57,739
calls or answer calls.

1191
00:42:58,199 --> 00:42:58,699
Yeah.

1192
00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:00,539
Yeah.

1193
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,340
Yeah. So that kind of thing.

1194
00:43:04,335 --> 00:43:07,054
Alright. So, let's go ahead and take our

1195
00:43:07,054 --> 00:43:08,734
first break and when we come back, we're

1196
00:43:08,734 --> 00:43:10,514
gonna talk a little bit more about

1197
00:43:11,375 --> 00:43:11,875
preparing

1198
00:43:13,054 --> 00:43:13,554
yourself

1199
00:43:14,574 --> 00:43:16,034
physically and mentally

1200
00:43:17,190 --> 00:43:19,769
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1201
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1209
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1213
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1215
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1254
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is that often you'll have as many different

1255
00:45:34,304 --> 00:45:36,144
phenos as you will have seeds in a

1256
00:45:36,144 --> 00:45:36,644
pack.

1257
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,420
That can be fun, sure.

1258
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,960
But so many varieties in one pack is

1259
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,960
a sign of an immature seed line that

1260
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,260
hasn't been worked enough.

1261
00:45:45,039 --> 00:45:47,280
I prefer my autoflowers to be worked enough

1262
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,519
that each pheno in the pack really captures

1263
00:45:49,519 --> 00:45:51,460
the aspects that the breeder was intending.

1264
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This is why I recommend

1265
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gnome automatics to my friends and listeners who

1266
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grow automatic flowering cannabis seeds.

1267
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Gnome automatic seeds are not just crossed and

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released. They are painstakingly

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tested in a wide range of conditions,

1271
00:46:07,739 --> 00:46:09,820
and taken to a level of maturity that

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each plant will be recognizable

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by its traits.

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Traits that were hard earned, so that you

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can have your best growth cycle ever.

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Over the last 10 years, gnome automatics founder,

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Dan Jimmy, has become a trusted breeder and

1278
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he continues to pour his passion of breeding

1279
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cannabis into every variety he releases for you

1280
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to grow.

1281
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to see the impressive plants folks are growing.

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1288
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Commercial cannabis farms across the country love growing

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gnome automatics because of their consistency from seed

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1291
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short grow times,

1292
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THC percentages,

1293
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and colorful bag appeal.

1294
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Farms interested in bulk seeds of more than

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Welcome back. You are listening to Shaping Fire.

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I am your host, Shango Los, and my

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guest today is psychedelic integration coach, Daniel Schenken.

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So during the first set, we talked a

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lot about

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the mindset

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and the setting,

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things that you definitely want to consider

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in advance.

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You know, we have we talked a lot

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during the first set about how planning in

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advance

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is really a way to improve the likelihood

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that you'll have

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a good and valuable and meaningful healing psychedelic

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experience.

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And we're going to be talking a lot

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about that again here in 2nd set, but

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in a little different sort of detail. So,

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let's start, Daniel, by I wanna

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hit on something that you

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touched on briefly, but I wanna I wanna

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drive it home a little bit more,

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the physicality of it. You had mentioned that,

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you know, bringing a good calm body to

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the psychedelic experience can be really helpful and

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I totally agree.

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But I also want to illustrate that a

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little bit more.

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For example,

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you know, there are depending on which molecule

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that you take, most of them will encourage

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your body to void itself.

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And so, one thing that

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people that I've worked with, including myself, have

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found value in over the years

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is to take a little psyllium husk

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the morning

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the day before

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in the morning

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so that whatever you may have eaten that

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is heavy, you know, maybe you had some

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steak or a burger

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or, you know, jalapeno poppers or something like

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that

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that can sit in your gut. And sometimes,

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during the digestion,

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that can take

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your attention can come away from the work

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that you're trying to do and start thinking

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about, like, the functioning of your body.

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And

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so,

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make sure you're really hydrated as well because,

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so, I mean, very often when we're having

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a psychedelic experience, we will actually forget

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to drink water, which is one of the

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good reasons

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to do psychedelics with friends because

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everybody can kind of help babysit each other

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to make sure that you are,

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you know, getting enough water and such. So,

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in addition to the yoga and the two

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things that I just mentioned, Daniel, do you

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have any other physical things to kind of

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round out that that that group of ideas?

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I mean, that's pretty good. I mean, you

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could also kind of just refrain from eating

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jalapeno poppers for a couple of days ahead

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of time. Mhmm. That could work.

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You might want to oh, I was once

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working with a guy who had his first

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psychedelic

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experience, on a camping trip, you know, and

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he had a friend with him and they

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had an RV.

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And when he came back,

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he said to me, in all seriousness,

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good set and setting starts with clean socks.

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Right? Because he had been out in the

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woods, and he has he the clothes he

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was wearing was were filthy.

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And

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it he really felt it. You know, something

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that you might not notice if you are

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just drinking a couple of beers

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becomes very obvious on,

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you know, 3 to 5 grams of mushrooms.

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It is interesting how messiness and filth and

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anything that's gross is gonna be usually really

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gross.

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And I'm not sure why. And it certainly

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isn't, you know, for everybody. There are certainly

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people who can get really curious about messy,

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gross things as well. But for whatever reason,

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the people I've interacted with and myself,

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we generally want to be comfortable and clean

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and

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orderly and, you know, just generally happy of

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body and spirit.

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Yeah. Well, being curious about gross stuff and

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being covered in gross stuff are definitely 2

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different things. Yeah, that's a good point. And,

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you know, we could

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we could

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make all kinds of

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kind of cosmic, high woo ideas about why

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that is. But, you know, it's it's pretty

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much so.

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Mhmm.

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Let's talk a little bit about,

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the kind of preparations

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to make additionally,

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if you're going to do this experience with

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friends.

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And for me, I'm I'm very grateful that

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when I got turned on to psychedelics in

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college,

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it was in a peer group of people.

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And so, you know, most of my first

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experiences were, you know, 3 to 7 people

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and

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we had

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a big forest next to my university

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and off we would go. And we would

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have these fantastic days and come back exhausted

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and dirty and take showers and then, you

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know, kind of have this afterglow period in

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the evening.

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The first the first thing with friends that

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I'll get us started with is to,

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you know, kind of work with everybody to

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compare your plans and your locations because if

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you all get together on the day of

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your experience

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and

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you have different intentions,

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either, A,

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some people might have some hard feelings about

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it, which isn't a great way to go

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into an experience,

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or which can sometimes be equally as as

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detrimental,

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your original

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fellowship, if you will, of people who are

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gonna

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be together.

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People wanna do different things and so they

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split off. And so, your group of 6

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comes off into a 3, a 2, and

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a 1.

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And, that's gonna be a very different experience

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than if everybody

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has a shared plan.

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Another one is, and I'm hoping maybe you

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speak to this a little bit, Daniel, is

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we always had like an emergency

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signal or word.

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And not emergency,

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meaning like there's danger.

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It was usually a signal or word that

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meant

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I could

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there is a moment that I really could

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use you to pull your shit together for

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a moment so we can talk about something

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that's, like, somewhat relevant or serious for a

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moment. Like, can can I get your attention?

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And, you know, I've never really found a

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really good way

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to talk about that with people, to to

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to delineate between,

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like, a safe word for an emergency

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and a signal that I need your attention.

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How would how would you go about that

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with folks? I like that. That's really interesting.

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And before we get to that, because I'm

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gonna think about that in the background while

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I mentioned this. Alright.

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There's been a phenomenon

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recently.

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Right? So you grew up with your friends

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and they were your friends and you did

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psychedelics with your friends and that's that works

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because they're your friends.

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So

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recently, more and more people are coming into

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the psychedelic space and they're not even kids.

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They're grown ups,

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right? So they're adults. You know, they're not

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teenagers or college kids or whatever. They're they're

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these adults

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And there was a and they're interested and

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they're curious and they're excited

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about this.

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Also,

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then there was a pandemic,

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right? Which means that people were kind of

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isolated.

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And it also meant that people were becoming

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friendly

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with people from all over the place on

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Zoom that they didn't actually know.

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Right? And then they think

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because they've had,

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you know, a half a dozen Zoom whatevers

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with these people,

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that their soul family. Mhmm.

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And they get together and they take psychedelics

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together and they realize really quickly that they're

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not.

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And

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so, you know, people kind of take for

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granted,

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real relationship and real connection. You know, the

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ability to kind of like

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smell somebody, you know, to know what your

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friends smell like, to kind of be there

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when you are

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weird together at a restaurant. You know, like

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like all of these kinds of things that

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are

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really,

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intimate relationship

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things

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that are missing because you just log in

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with somebody for an hour or something and

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you're on like a group signal chat with

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them. Group WhatsApp group,

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right? And that's different than

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being in an intimate psychedelic space with people.

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So you want to actually be

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careful, perhaps about like

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who you're doing this with. Like, are these

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really

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your friends? Like, is is there a container?

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Are there agreements? Do you have a plan?

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Like and that can help

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create an intentionality

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that can help build that bond.

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Right? But to do it kind of

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off the cuff and loose and pretend

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do it like a pretend ceremony.

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Because what I see sometimes is people like,

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oh, I've been to ceremonies. I know how

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they work and, like, it was good, but,

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you know, we're we're just gonna be chill

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and we don't actually need

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to have the group agreements and we don't

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need to kind of ring the bell and

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set the circle or whatever it is because

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we I've done that before.

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We have to do it. You have to

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do it every time. Yeah. Right? Like, it's

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it's a practice. It would be like, I

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don't need to breathe today. I breathed yesterday.

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Mhmm.

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And

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so, you know, keeping in mind,

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you know, are your friends really your friends?

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Like, are you setting the stage properly? And

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do you have the agreements?

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So as far as this thing where you're

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having,

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safe words

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and things like that,

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I mean, this comes back to, like, do

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you do you know your people?

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Because I sort of feel like,

1618
00:58:56,885 --> 00:58:59,945
with my friends who are really my friends,

1619
00:59:00,324 --> 00:59:03,599
I can communicate an awful lot with a

1620
00:59:03,599 --> 00:59:05,699
cough, a pause or a side eye.

1621
00:59:07,279 --> 00:59:08,980
Right? Like if I need something

1622
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:10,579
like I can just,

1623
00:59:11,039 --> 00:59:12,480
you know, I can kind of look out

1624
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:13,599
of the corner of my eye at my

1625
00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:14,659
buddy and go like.

1626
00:59:15,934 --> 00:59:17,375
You know, and he'll be like, hey, Dan,

1627
00:59:17,375 --> 00:59:19,054
you know, I let let me show you

1628
00:59:19,054 --> 00:59:21,054
something over here in the kitchen. Yeah. You

1629
00:59:21,054 --> 00:59:22,894
know? And then and then we can have

1630
00:59:22,894 --> 00:59:23,554
a thing.

1631
00:59:24,014 --> 00:59:25,855
But, you know, I like the idea that,

1632
00:59:25,855 --> 00:59:27,394
like, it just introducing

1633
00:59:27,695 --> 00:59:29,739
that is a great idea. And I think

1634
00:59:29,739 --> 00:59:31,920
the really the theme here

1635
00:59:32,299 --> 00:59:32,799
is,

1636
00:59:33,659 --> 00:59:36,380
making things explicit. Mhmm. Right? We all have

1637
00:59:36,380 --> 00:59:37,359
a very transparent

1638
00:59:37,819 --> 00:59:38,319
Yeah.

1639
00:59:38,940 --> 00:59:41,739
Yeah. Clear, transparent, explicit. We all have a

1640
00:59:41,739 --> 00:59:43,494
lot of assumptions about how the thing was

1641
00:59:43,494 --> 00:59:44,394
supposed to go.

1642
00:59:44,934 --> 00:59:47,114
And, you know, are they the same

1643
00:59:47,574 --> 00:59:48,074
assumptions?

1644
00:59:48,534 --> 00:59:49,034
Yeah.

1645
00:59:49,655 --> 00:59:51,894
And, you know, as we have talked about

1646
00:59:51,894 --> 00:59:54,614
where, you know, your ceremony is your ceremony,

1647
00:59:54,614 --> 00:59:55,914
Marni, that you designed

1648
00:59:57,839 --> 00:59:59,859
and and and your environment is your environment.

1649
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,839
The same thing would be the safe word

1650
01:00:01,839 --> 01:00:02,900
or the signal.

1651
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,280
And since I have some experience with this,

1652
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:06,960
I will also take it a step further

1653
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:07,619
and say,

1654
01:00:08,644 --> 01:00:10,565
in my experience, we have found that safe

1655
01:00:10,565 --> 01:00:12,425
words are easily forgotten

1656
01:00:13,125 --> 01:00:13,864
and sometimes

1657
01:00:14,324 --> 01:00:17,545
a safe hand signal is more easily remembered.

1658
01:00:18,324 --> 01:00:20,565
And one of the ones that I used

1659
01:00:20,565 --> 01:00:22,164
to use back when I was a young

1660
01:00:22,164 --> 01:00:23,710
man was we decided

1661
01:00:24,089 --> 01:00:26,170
that thumbs up was not a good one

1662
01:00:26,170 --> 01:00:28,569
because we did thumbs up often just to

1663
01:00:28,569 --> 01:00:31,210
be happy. And thumbs down, well, that's not

1664
01:00:31,210 --> 01:00:33,130
really good because that kind of sets off

1665
01:00:33,130 --> 01:00:33,869
your adrenaline.

1666
01:00:34,170 --> 01:00:35,609
And so, what we would do is we

1667
01:00:35,609 --> 01:00:36,750
would actually do

1668
01:00:38,425 --> 01:00:39,244
like, horizontal

1669
01:00:40,344 --> 01:00:42,585
thumbs pointed out and we just put like

1670
01:00:42,585 --> 01:00:44,204
the sides of our hands together.

1671
01:00:44,505 --> 01:00:47,385
And it's kind of a fun hand motion

1672
01:00:47,385 --> 01:00:48,125
to make

1673
01:00:48,585 --> 01:00:50,570
and anybody in the group who saw it

1674
01:00:50,570 --> 01:00:52,269
knew exactly what this hand

1675
01:00:52,650 --> 01:00:53,630
motion meant.

1676
01:00:54,250 --> 01:00:54,650
And,

1677
01:00:55,050 --> 01:00:57,210
a good example of it where where I

1678
01:00:57,210 --> 01:00:59,210
was not trying to well, actually, it wasn't

1679
01:00:59,210 --> 01:01:00,809
me who was giving the sign, but in

1680
01:01:00,809 --> 01:01:02,030
in this is my story.

1681
01:01:04,034 --> 01:01:06,034
We want to get attention and we want

1682
01:01:06,034 --> 01:01:08,454
people to pay attention, but we don't necessarily

1683
01:01:08,675 --> 01:01:10,914
want to give people the idea that there's

1684
01:01:10,914 --> 01:01:11,974
something dangerous

1685
01:01:12,275 --> 01:01:14,594
and and maybe influence their trip. And and

1686
01:01:14,594 --> 01:01:15,954
a good example was that,

1687
01:01:16,434 --> 01:01:19,090
one of our friends stepped on was barefoot

1688
01:01:19,150 --> 01:01:21,410
and she stepped on some glass.

1689
01:01:22,349 --> 01:01:25,170
And she needed just some basic first aid.

1690
01:01:25,630 --> 01:01:28,030
And it was something that we could provide

1691
01:01:28,030 --> 01:01:29,010
within our group

1692
01:01:29,630 --> 01:01:30,130
because

1693
01:01:30,625 --> 01:01:32,945
we were all kind of outdoorsy people. Right?

1694
01:01:32,945 --> 01:01:33,445
So

1695
01:01:33,744 --> 01:01:35,585
we all had our 10 essentials with us

1696
01:01:35,585 --> 01:01:36,885
when we were out in the forest.

1697
01:01:37,344 --> 01:01:39,605
But we wanted to come together

1698
01:01:40,065 --> 01:01:42,785
to heal our friend. We didn't want our

1699
01:01:42,785 --> 01:01:45,204
other friends to drift off in the forest.

1700
01:01:45,719 --> 01:01:47,800
And we kind of wanted to work together

1701
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:49,719
to apply the first aid. Right? Because, you

1702
01:01:49,719 --> 01:01:51,800
know, when you're on psychedelics, things are a

1703
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:53,179
little odd to think through.

1704
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:56,039
And so, she gave us the hand signal

1705
01:01:56,039 --> 01:01:57,400
and we all came together and we're like,

1706
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,324
Hey, what's up? You know? And then she

1707
01:01:59,324 --> 01:02:00,525
showed us and we were all kind of

1708
01:02:00,525 --> 01:02:02,704
like a moment like, Oh, blood.

1709
01:02:03,244 --> 01:02:05,164
Which and so, but then we all just

1710
01:02:05,164 --> 01:02:07,405
kind of sat down together and we we,

1711
01:02:07,405 --> 01:02:09,644
you know, went through the steps. We cleaned

1712
01:02:09,644 --> 01:02:11,965
the wound. We bandaged it. We chatted with

1713
01:02:11,965 --> 01:02:15,010
her so she understood that this was not

1714
01:02:15,010 --> 01:02:16,769
the end of her good trip and things

1715
01:02:16,769 --> 01:02:18,530
were still fine and she was safe and

1716
01:02:18,530 --> 01:02:20,550
we were with her. And we were gonna

1717
01:02:20,690 --> 01:02:23,250
slightly change our plan about how far we

1718
01:02:23,250 --> 01:02:25,650
were gonna walk so so she didn't feel,

1719
01:02:25,650 --> 01:02:27,269
you know. But it was all

1720
01:02:27,684 --> 01:02:29,364
as soon as we all saw the hand

1721
01:02:29,364 --> 01:02:32,324
motion, we all understood that, Oh, we all

1722
01:02:32,324 --> 01:02:34,164
need to come together for, like, a little

1723
01:02:34,164 --> 01:02:34,664
meeting.

1724
01:02:35,284 --> 01:02:38,804
And, and I recommend that people include that

1725
01:02:38,804 --> 01:02:41,090
when when they're working with a group. I

1726
01:02:41,090 --> 01:02:43,170
dig it. I dig it. And what you're

1727
01:02:43,170 --> 01:02:44,469
reminding me of actually

1728
01:02:44,849 --> 01:02:45,909
is Disney World.

1729
01:02:47,890 --> 01:02:48,390
Oh.

1730
01:02:48,769 --> 01:02:50,610
There's a there's a non sequitur. This should

1731
01:02:50,610 --> 01:02:51,190
be good.

1732
01:02:51,489 --> 01:02:52,230
Yeah. It's,

1733
01:02:52,849 --> 01:02:55,030
so what they have now, like, I

1734
01:02:55,494 --> 01:02:56,954
I haven't been to Disneyland

1735
01:02:57,335 --> 01:02:59,034
in forever since I was a little guy.

1736
01:02:59,574 --> 01:03:01,414
But now they get to give you like

1737
01:03:01,414 --> 01:03:04,474
these wristbands with microchips in them.

1738
01:03:04,855 --> 01:03:06,454
Right? Until I get on the rides and

1739
01:03:06,454 --> 01:03:07,734
to get in everything, you just kind of

1740
01:03:07,734 --> 01:03:08,635
swipe your wristband.

1741
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:11,140
And then what they realize is like

1742
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,220
like if the wristband works,

1743
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:15,920
right, like it flashes green. It's like, okay,

1744
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:17,140
you paid for your meal.

1745
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:17,940
Green.

1746
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,720
If the wristband isn't working or like you're

1747
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:22,320
trying to go somewhere you're not supposed to

1748
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:22,820
go,

1749
01:03:23,144 --> 01:03:23,885
it flashes

1750
01:03:24,184 --> 01:03:25,565
blue, I believe,

1751
01:03:26,025 --> 01:03:26,525
because

1752
01:03:27,465 --> 01:03:28,605
red is too dangerous.

1753
01:03:28,985 --> 01:03:29,485
Oh.

1754
01:03:30,105 --> 01:03:31,945
Like, they don't want they feel like they

1755
01:03:31,945 --> 01:03:34,265
decided that red would harsh people's mellow too

1756
01:03:34,265 --> 01:03:36,204
much. I I grok that. Yeah.

1757
01:03:36,659 --> 01:03:37,159
And,

1758
01:03:37,699 --> 01:03:39,139
I just say I think it's really funny

1759
01:03:39,139 --> 01:03:40,579
that, you know, you don't want the hand

1760
01:03:40,579 --> 01:03:41,799
signal to be too

1761
01:03:42,339 --> 01:03:44,839
Alerting. Intense. Yeah. Too alarming.

1762
01:03:45,139 --> 01:03:46,980
Alarming. Yeah. That's a better word. Yeah. We

1763
01:03:46,980 --> 01:03:48,980
just want your attention. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

1764
01:03:48,980 --> 01:03:51,159
it's like, sure. We know how to, like,

1765
01:03:51,335 --> 01:03:53,654
bandage a simple wound. This is the most

1766
01:03:53,654 --> 01:03:55,734
natural thing. We're just friends taking care of

1767
01:03:55,734 --> 01:03:57,355
friends. Yep. And that's

1768
01:03:57,734 --> 01:03:59,654
an attitude that, you know, and if there's

1769
01:03:59,654 --> 01:04:02,534
any, you know, guides listening as well, that,

1770
01:04:02,534 --> 01:04:04,295
you know, we wanna take an attitude of,

1771
01:04:04,295 --> 01:04:06,519
like, this is the most natural thing. Things

1772
01:04:06,519 --> 01:04:08,860
are okay. We're just folks hanging out.

1773
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:11,160
And honestly, it ended up being a very

1774
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:12,860
beautiful experience. I mean,

1775
01:04:13,559 --> 01:04:15,960
the there were 5 of us on this

1776
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:17,000
day, and,

1777
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:18,460
it was

1778
01:04:20,094 --> 01:04:23,155
the 5 of us working together to heal

1779
01:04:23,454 --> 01:04:24,994
one of the 5 of us

1780
01:04:25,295 --> 01:04:27,454
and all kind of gently speaking with each

1781
01:04:27,454 --> 01:04:27,954
other

1782
01:04:28,494 --> 01:04:30,114
and doing the first aid

1783
01:04:30,815 --> 01:04:31,954
and giving her

1784
01:04:32,255 --> 01:04:35,219
healing, like, conversation at the same time. It

1785
01:04:35,219 --> 01:04:37,860
probably was healing things in us at the

1786
01:04:37,860 --> 01:04:39,860
same time as we were giving her first

1787
01:04:39,860 --> 01:04:42,019
aid. Like healing us in the sense of

1788
01:04:42,019 --> 01:04:45,239
we're doing a psychedelic experience to heal emotional

1789
01:04:45,300 --> 01:04:46,280
wounds or whatever.

1790
01:04:46,900 --> 01:04:49,559
Us coming together, I'm sure we were all,

1791
01:04:50,105 --> 01:04:50,684
you know,

1792
01:04:51,224 --> 01:04:53,224
getting good stuff out of that. I mean,

1793
01:04:53,224 --> 01:04:55,005
to the point that I remember it now,

1794
01:04:55,065 --> 01:04:57,404
like what, 40 years later. Right.

1795
01:04:57,704 --> 01:04:58,204
Yeah.

1796
01:04:59,065 --> 01:05:01,565
Yeah. I mean, just to know, like the

1797
01:05:01,864 --> 01:05:02,364
experience

1798
01:05:03,304 --> 01:05:05,085
of competence and care,

1799
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,199
Right? Of like I can we can do

1800
01:05:09,199 --> 01:05:11,199
this. We are people who take care of

1801
01:05:11,199 --> 01:05:12,719
each other and love one another and we

1802
01:05:12,719 --> 01:05:14,320
show up for each other and do what

1803
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:16,159
needs to be done. You know? Because like

1804
01:05:16,159 --> 01:05:17,679
it's a it'll it's a little thing. It's

1805
01:05:17,679 --> 01:05:19,764
a little band aid, but you know, on

1806
01:05:19,764 --> 01:05:20,744
the right molecule

1807
01:05:21,284 --> 01:05:23,065
like that's an epic quest.

1808
01:05:23,684 --> 01:05:25,125
You know, even though we're saying, oh yeah,

1809
01:05:25,125 --> 01:05:27,284
it's chill. Everything's cool. Like you know, we

1810
01:05:27,284 --> 01:05:29,864
make things big in our minds. Yeah,

1811
01:05:30,164 --> 01:05:32,105
and you know, healing our friends.

1812
01:05:32,989 --> 01:05:35,309
You know, is a big deal. Like it's

1813
01:05:35,309 --> 01:05:37,309
the most, it's the biggest deal there can

1814
01:05:37,309 --> 01:05:38,449
be really. Yeah.

1815
01:05:39,630 --> 01:05:41,650
It's like at the core of being human.

1816
01:05:41,869 --> 01:05:42,769
Yeah. 1

1817
01:05:43,230 --> 01:05:45,069
of the other things that tends to happen

1818
01:05:45,069 --> 01:05:47,389
is, you know, very often people will get

1819
01:05:47,389 --> 01:05:47,889
separated

1820
01:05:48,545 --> 01:05:49,605
one way or another.

1821
01:05:50,144 --> 01:05:50,465
And,

1822
01:05:52,704 --> 01:05:54,785
it's kind of a toss-up with who the

1823
01:05:54,785 --> 01:05:57,105
people that you're doing it with because we

1824
01:05:57,105 --> 01:05:58,625
all have cell phones. And so, if we

1825
01:05:58,625 --> 01:06:01,025
get separated, it is easy to go grab

1826
01:06:01,025 --> 01:06:02,545
your cell phone and say, Hey, I lost

1827
01:06:02,545 --> 01:06:04,349
you. Where are you? Right? But at the

1828
01:06:04,349 --> 01:06:04,849
same

1829
01:06:05,390 --> 01:06:05,890
time,

1830
01:06:06,430 --> 01:06:08,750
I've been with people where everyone's decided we

1831
01:06:08,750 --> 01:06:10,450
want to turn off our cell phones

1832
01:06:10,829 --> 01:06:13,329
so that people who might harsh our vibe

1833
01:06:13,390 --> 01:06:15,010
don't call us and interrupt

1834
01:06:15,390 --> 01:06:17,410
what we've got going down. Right?

1835
01:06:17,950 --> 01:06:18,769
And so,

1836
01:06:20,364 --> 01:06:23,045
in the situations when we don't have the

1837
01:06:23,045 --> 01:06:23,545
phone,

1838
01:06:24,724 --> 01:06:26,724
I usually work with folks and say, Hey,

1839
01:06:26,724 --> 01:06:28,744
if you get separated from the group,

1840
01:06:29,284 --> 01:06:31,625
we will meet at this whatever location.

1841
01:06:32,244 --> 01:06:34,425
And when we realize you're not there,

1842
01:06:35,019 --> 01:06:36,860
we will all head to that location and

1843
01:06:36,860 --> 01:06:39,180
then we will continue our experience from that

1844
01:06:39,180 --> 01:06:39,680
location.

1845
01:06:40,780 --> 01:06:42,780
I'm sure this has come across your plate

1846
01:06:42,780 --> 01:06:45,340
many times. It's a story as old as

1847
01:06:45,340 --> 01:06:45,840
time.

1848
01:06:47,420 --> 01:06:49,740
I'm serious. Can we do history again? Yeah.

1849
01:06:49,740 --> 01:06:51,795
Do it. Do it. So should we do

1850
01:06:51,795 --> 01:06:54,454
kind of modern psychedelic history or archaic

1851
01:06:55,074 --> 01:06:57,635
tribal history? Archaic sounds more fun. Let's go

1852
01:06:57,635 --> 01:06:59,894
there. Alright. We'll start there. So,

1853
01:07:01,234 --> 01:07:03,875
when you go through places like the Altai

1854
01:07:03,875 --> 01:07:05,255
Mountains and Siberia

1855
01:07:05,795 --> 01:07:08,110
and just places where there are vast

1856
01:07:08,489 --> 01:07:10,989
fields and steps and hills and mountains,

1857
01:07:11,369 --> 01:07:12,750
you often come across

1858
01:07:13,690 --> 01:07:14,590
big stones

1859
01:07:15,050 --> 01:07:15,949
that are vertical,

1860
01:07:16,250 --> 01:07:17,849
like, just plopped in the middle of a

1861
01:07:17,849 --> 01:07:18,349
field.

1862
01:07:18,664 --> 01:07:21,065
Right? These sort of like obelisk karen kind

1863
01:07:21,065 --> 01:07:22,684
of things. Mhmm. And

1864
01:07:23,625 --> 01:07:25,864
you know, the the scholars believe like this

1865
01:07:25,864 --> 01:07:27,085
is how people oriented.

1866
01:07:28,025 --> 01:07:29,885
Right? Like if you needed to meet

1867
01:07:30,425 --> 01:07:31,885
nomads, like you're a nomad,

1868
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:34,699
right, in in the Siberian mountains,

1869
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:37,480
right, and you need to meet people, we're

1870
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:39,320
like, okay, on the solstice, I'll meet you

1871
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:41,719
over 3 hills at that stone. Yeah. At

1872
01:07:41,719 --> 01:07:43,400
the stone, that looks like a horse or

1873
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:44,539
whatever. Yeah.

1874
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:48,454
And so people were have been orienting themselves

1875
01:07:50,275 --> 01:07:50,775
forever,

1876
01:07:51,155 --> 01:07:52,835
right, to try and find their place in

1877
01:07:52,835 --> 01:07:55,074
space, right, which is good because again, you

1878
01:07:55,074 --> 01:07:55,815
know, like

1879
01:07:56,114 --> 01:07:57,234
so our minds

1880
01:07:58,269 --> 01:08:00,110
we're we're taking our minds out into space.

1881
01:08:00,110 --> 01:08:01,730
Right? We're we're intentionally

1882
01:08:02,349 --> 01:08:02,849
disorienting

1883
01:08:03,150 --> 01:08:04,989
ourselves. Right? And this is one of the

1884
01:08:04,989 --> 01:08:07,950
reasons why having a good intention is key.

1885
01:08:07,950 --> 01:08:10,190
Right? We're talking about that mantra intention. You

1886
01:08:10,190 --> 01:08:11,809
can think of that mantra intention

1887
01:08:12,110 --> 01:08:13,809
kind of like a stone in a field.

1888
01:08:14,315 --> 01:08:16,335
Like, I'm lost in the in in Siberia.

1889
01:08:16,954 --> 01:08:19,755
Where's my stone? Right? And then to have

1890
01:08:19,755 --> 01:08:22,555
something like that for the group is it

1891
01:08:22,555 --> 01:08:23,774
only stands to reason.

1892
01:08:24,795 --> 01:08:26,395
I don't know if you've ever have you

1893
01:08:26,395 --> 01:08:26,880
ever

1894
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:28,739
seen a dead show at the spectrum?

1895
01:08:29,119 --> 01:08:30,100
Not at the spectrum.

1896
01:08:31,119 --> 01:08:32,420
So back in the day,

1897
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:35,219
there was a Rocky statue

1898
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:37,920
at the spectrum in Philly. Right? There was

1899
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:40,239
the movie Rocky, the boxer. Yeah. Sure. And

1900
01:08:40,239 --> 01:08:40,739
they,

1901
01:08:41,185 --> 01:08:43,744
you know, they made a statue for him

1902
01:08:43,744 --> 01:08:44,485
in the movie,

1903
01:08:44,945 --> 01:08:47,425
but then the statue also existed in real

1904
01:08:47,425 --> 01:08:47,925
life.

1905
01:08:48,385 --> 01:08:50,005
And so they

1906
01:08:50,784 --> 01:08:52,545
put it at the spectrum for a while,

1907
01:08:52,545 --> 01:08:54,305
which is, you know, a Philly place where

1908
01:08:54,305 --> 01:08:56,659
the dead would play. Mhmm. And so that's

1909
01:08:56,659 --> 01:08:58,260
where we'd meet our friends. If you get

1910
01:08:58,260 --> 01:09:00,840
lost, we'll meet you at the rocky statue.

1911
01:09:01,300 --> 01:09:03,219
That's great. So we would not you know,

1912
01:09:03,219 --> 01:09:05,079
it's natural in our

1913
01:09:05,859 --> 01:09:08,359
bodies. You know, it's natural in our community

1914
01:09:08,659 --> 01:09:09,159
spirit

1915
01:09:09,619 --> 01:09:10,899
to say you know, we say it to

1916
01:09:10,899 --> 01:09:12,944
kids. You know, if you get lost, this

1917
01:09:12,944 --> 01:09:14,704
is, you know, meet me here by this

1918
01:09:14,704 --> 01:09:15,204
thing.

1919
01:09:15,744 --> 01:09:18,484
You know, find an adult. Find another mom.

1920
01:09:18,545 --> 01:09:20,385
Yeah. And tell her to take you to

1921
01:09:20,385 --> 01:09:21,045
this place.

1922
01:09:21,585 --> 01:09:22,085
Right?

1923
01:09:22,625 --> 01:09:23,125
And

1924
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:25,840
so, you know, that that is the most

1925
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:27,520
natural thing in the world that we have

1926
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:28,420
been doing for

1927
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:30,420
1000 of years is picking,

1928
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:31,619
meeting places.

1929
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:34,640
A corollary to that that,

1930
01:09:35,199 --> 01:09:38,020
you know, really applies differently in different situations

1931
01:09:38,239 --> 01:09:38,739
is

1932
01:09:39,335 --> 01:09:42,295
letting somebody know what's going on who isn't

1933
01:09:42,295 --> 01:09:43,435
gonna be with y'all.

1934
01:09:44,054 --> 01:09:46,694
So, if you're going to do a psychedelic

1935
01:09:46,694 --> 01:09:48,314
and stay around the house, well,

1936
01:09:48,774 --> 01:09:50,395
that may not be as important.

1937
01:09:50,869 --> 01:09:53,030
But if you're going out in the forest.

1938
01:09:53,030 --> 01:09:55,350
Right? Or I live on an island, so,

1939
01:09:55,350 --> 01:09:57,510
you know, it is not uncommon for people

1940
01:09:57,510 --> 01:09:58,250
to decide

1941
01:09:58,630 --> 01:10:00,310
that that we're gonna get in a boat

1942
01:10:00,310 --> 01:10:02,409
and go to one of the lesser populated

1943
01:10:02,550 --> 01:10:04,949
islands near me in the Puget Sound or

1944
01:10:04,949 --> 01:10:06,229
which is, you know, much more of a

1945
01:10:06,229 --> 01:10:06,729
trip,

1946
01:10:07,324 --> 01:10:08,225
pun intended.

1947
01:10:08,685 --> 01:10:09,185
And

1948
01:10:10,845 --> 01:10:13,324
if you are doing anything where you're going

1949
01:10:13,324 --> 01:10:14,625
to be leaving home

1950
01:10:15,805 --> 01:10:17,645
and it is a good thing to let

1951
01:10:17,645 --> 01:10:20,925
somebody know who's not going with you that

1952
01:10:20,925 --> 01:10:22,305
y'all are doing this

1953
01:10:23,780 --> 01:10:26,420
And even if you're sure nothing's really gonna

1954
01:10:26,420 --> 01:10:27,079
go wrong

1955
01:10:27,699 --> 01:10:30,420
where that person would need to know, there's

1956
01:10:30,420 --> 01:10:32,600
almost always somebody in the group

1957
01:10:33,060 --> 01:10:34,680
who is a little uncomfortable

1958
01:10:34,980 --> 01:10:37,460
with some aspect and they're just happy to

1959
01:10:37,460 --> 01:10:37,960
know

1960
01:10:38,565 --> 01:10:40,885
that there is somebody who's not with the,

1961
01:10:40,885 --> 01:10:42,565
you know, 4 or 6 or whatever of

1962
01:10:42,565 --> 01:10:43,065
you

1963
01:10:43,525 --> 01:10:45,385
on the outside who isn't,

1964
01:10:46,244 --> 01:10:48,985
you know, tripping or isn't experiencing the psychedelic.

1965
01:10:49,525 --> 01:10:52,420
Sometimes people need to have a sober person

1966
01:10:52,420 --> 01:10:54,180
on the outside that they can call if

1967
01:10:54,180 --> 01:10:55,880
they start to kind of slide off

1968
01:10:56,340 --> 01:10:59,159
and start to potentially have a troubling experience.

1969
01:10:59,380 --> 01:11:01,699
So, you know, they can be used in

1970
01:11:01,699 --> 01:11:03,460
lots of different ways, but I'm a strong

1971
01:11:03,460 --> 01:11:03,960
proponent

1972
01:11:04,625 --> 01:11:06,625
of having there be a, you know, a

1973
01:11:06,625 --> 01:11:09,185
phone a friend out there just so there's

1974
01:11:09,185 --> 01:11:11,685
somebody who isn't on a psychedelic

1975
01:11:12,225 --> 01:11:13,765
in case they are needed.

1976
01:11:15,185 --> 01:11:17,265
Yeah. That's great. And again, you know, back

1977
01:11:17,265 --> 01:11:19,585
to the idea of sitters, that person might

1978
01:11:19,585 --> 01:11:20,085
even

1979
01:11:21,079 --> 01:11:22,300
be with you in the house.

1980
01:11:23,319 --> 01:11:25,560
Mhmm. Like they might be they might be

1981
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:27,159
traveling with you at the concert. You know,

1982
01:11:27,159 --> 01:11:28,220
there there is,

1983
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:29,659
you know,

1984
01:11:30,279 --> 01:11:32,699
the idea of sort of like the mom,

1985
01:11:33,079 --> 01:11:35,305
you know, you know, the the the the

1986
01:11:35,305 --> 01:11:38,024
dead mother of sorts. Mhmm. And, you know,

1987
01:11:38,024 --> 01:11:40,104
it could be it not to gender anybody,

1988
01:11:40,104 --> 01:11:42,505
but, you know, it could be whatever. But,

1989
01:11:42,505 --> 01:11:44,505
you know, somebody who is there and they

1990
01:11:44,505 --> 01:11:47,324
are, you know, making tea and they're

1991
01:11:47,864 --> 01:11:48,604
sort of

1992
01:11:49,099 --> 01:11:51,500
there if you need them. And is everybody

1993
01:11:51,500 --> 01:11:54,219
have a blanket and Okay, it's hard for

1994
01:11:54,219 --> 01:11:55,739
you guys to pick the music right now.

1995
01:11:55,739 --> 01:11:57,500
I will do that and that sort of

1996
01:11:57,500 --> 01:11:59,260
thing. Yeah. The way you just described it

1997
01:11:59,260 --> 01:12:00,719
sounded really nice, actually.

1998
01:12:01,755 --> 01:12:03,515
I might actually like that in my regular

1999
01:12:03,515 --> 01:12:04,015
life.

2000
01:12:05,515 --> 01:12:06,015
Yeah.

2001
01:12:07,354 --> 01:12:09,694
And it doesn't mean that the person needs

2002
01:12:10,074 --> 01:12:12,554
to be right there because very often when

2003
01:12:12,554 --> 01:12:14,654
people are having a psychedelic experience,

2004
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:16,800
it becomes very intimate and they really only

2005
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:18,659
want the people who are high there.

2006
01:12:19,039 --> 01:12:20,239
But it's, you know, if you're gonna have

2007
01:12:20,239 --> 01:12:22,239
somebody, it's it's perfectly fine that they're in

2008
01:12:22,239 --> 01:12:24,159
another room reading or something. And if and

2009
01:12:24,159 --> 01:12:26,239
if you need them, they they're there. And

2010
01:12:26,239 --> 01:12:28,000
if not, maybe they just, like, go through

2011
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:30,215
the room, you know, every half hour and

2012
01:12:30,215 --> 01:12:32,295
just, like, make sure everybody's doing good, you

2013
01:12:32,295 --> 01:12:33,755
know? It really just depends

2014
01:12:34,215 --> 01:12:36,295
on on everybody's comfort level. You can really

2015
01:12:36,295 --> 01:12:38,935
design this however you want. This is this

2016
01:12:38,935 --> 01:12:41,194
is your adventure. This is your experience.

2017
01:12:41,814 --> 01:12:43,939
And and all Daniel and I are doing

2018
01:12:43,939 --> 01:12:45,699
are are pointing out a whole bunch of

2019
01:12:45,699 --> 01:12:46,439
best practices

2020
01:12:46,900 --> 01:12:48,820
that work for lots of different kinds of

2021
01:12:48,820 --> 01:12:49,320
people.

2022
01:12:50,579 --> 01:12:51,079
Sometimes

2023
01:12:51,380 --> 01:12:53,239
I like to think of a sitter

2024
01:12:53,699 --> 01:12:55,159
as kind of like

2025
01:12:57,335 --> 01:12:58,635
Alfred from Batman.

2026
01:12:59,975 --> 01:13:01,975
Like you are I like that. Yeah. You're

2027
01:13:01,975 --> 01:13:04,055
in the dark. Right? You're it's like you

2028
01:13:04,055 --> 01:13:05,815
imagine you're laying there with your eyes closed.

2029
01:13:05,815 --> 01:13:07,034
Right? You're in the dark,

2030
01:13:07,735 --> 01:13:08,795
saving the universe

2031
01:13:09,690 --> 01:13:11,449
and then you come out of the dark

2032
01:13:11,449 --> 01:13:13,369
and you open your eyes, and he's there.

2033
01:13:13,369 --> 01:13:14,729
And he said, would you like some tea,

2034
01:13:14,729 --> 01:13:15,229
sir?

2035
01:13:16,489 --> 01:13:17,930
And the thing is he's been there. Like,

2036
01:13:17,930 --> 01:13:19,610
if you follow the history of Alfred, like,

2037
01:13:19,610 --> 01:13:21,289
Alfred used to go on missions with Batman.

2038
01:13:21,289 --> 01:13:22,729
He would like he was the driver for

2039
01:13:22,729 --> 01:13:23,630
a while. Oh.

2040
01:13:24,534 --> 01:13:26,375
You know? He knows how it goes. Like,

2041
01:13:26,375 --> 01:13:27,354
you know, he can

2042
01:13:27,734 --> 01:13:29,975
he can, stitch up like you're saying, like,

2043
01:13:29,975 --> 01:13:31,414
Alfred one of the things Alfred does is

2044
01:13:31,414 --> 01:13:33,734
he stitches up Batman. Right. He fixes his

2045
01:13:33,734 --> 01:13:34,234
wounds

2046
01:13:34,534 --> 01:13:35,755
and offers him counsel,

2047
01:13:36,055 --> 01:13:37,289
you know, if he needs it.

2048
01:13:38,890 --> 01:13:40,970
So I've got 2 more topics before we

2049
01:13:40,970 --> 01:13:43,069
go to commercial. And and one is,

2050
01:13:44,170 --> 01:13:45,710
there are some classic

2051
01:13:46,649 --> 01:13:47,149
foods

2052
01:13:47,530 --> 01:13:48,670
and beverages

2053
01:13:49,130 --> 01:13:51,789
that just seem to work well with psychedelic

2054
01:13:52,010 --> 01:13:53,149
experience for,

2055
01:13:53,505 --> 01:13:54,805
So, you know, water,

2056
01:13:55,265 --> 01:13:56,244
coconut water,

2057
01:13:56,704 --> 01:13:59,905
fruit is almost always fun, especially like bright

2058
01:13:59,905 --> 01:14:03,185
citrus fruit. Oh, my goodness gracious. What are

2059
01:14:03,185 --> 01:14:06,130
some in your experience that are you know,

2060
01:14:06,270 --> 01:14:08,670
low hanging fruit for being a good, good

2061
01:14:08,670 --> 01:14:09,649
thing to have along?

2062
01:14:10,430 --> 01:14:12,689
Yeah, I like a nice fruit plate. Mhmm.

2063
01:14:13,229 --> 01:14:14,850
I I generally like

2064
01:14:16,829 --> 01:14:18,510
Yeah, I like a nice fruit plate and

2065
01:14:18,510 --> 01:14:19,970
and so often berries

2066
01:14:21,194 --> 01:14:23,114
and citrus. And I I like berries a

2067
01:14:23,114 --> 01:14:24,975
lot. You know, they're they're bite sized.

2068
01:14:25,354 --> 01:14:27,034
You have to check because not everybody likes

2069
01:14:27,034 --> 01:14:27,774
every berry.

2070
01:14:29,435 --> 01:14:31,914
I like dark chocolate a lot. Mhmm. I

2071
01:14:31,914 --> 01:14:33,454
think dark chocolate is great.

2072
01:14:34,729 --> 01:14:35,630
I like

2073
01:14:36,010 --> 01:14:36,510
cashews

2074
01:14:36,810 --> 01:14:38,350
personally quite a bit.

2075
01:14:38,729 --> 01:14:41,310
So, you know, these I I really like,

2076
01:14:43,449 --> 01:14:44,189
the presentation

2077
01:14:45,850 --> 01:14:46,590
as well.

2078
01:14:46,914 --> 01:14:49,654
So, you know, there's there's a difference between

2079
01:14:50,435 --> 01:14:54,215
having just a plastic bin of berries,

2080
01:14:54,994 --> 01:14:56,694
like over by the sink

2081
01:14:57,395 --> 01:15:00,500
versus like taking a really nice plate and

2082
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:02,340
array making a mandala

2083
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:05,520
Mhmm. Of treats. Honestly, if if you could

2084
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:08,560
spend your entire trip making that mandala of

2085
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:09,060
snacks.

2086
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:11,439
Well, it's nice. Well, actually, we were talking

2087
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:12,899
about preparation. Yeah. Sure.

2088
01:15:13,199 --> 01:15:15,039
It's a it's a really nice preparation activity

2089
01:15:15,199 --> 01:15:16,685
Mhmm. Because it's creative

2090
01:15:17,145 --> 01:15:18,204
and it's nurturing

2091
01:15:18,664 --> 01:15:19,725
and it's focused.

2092
01:15:20,345 --> 01:15:21,564
Right? And it's intentional.

2093
01:15:22,024 --> 01:15:24,984
So you're starting off your journey by, okay,

2094
01:15:24,984 --> 01:15:26,905
like, I'm here to I'm taking care of

2095
01:15:26,905 --> 01:15:29,300
my future self. Yeah. And, you know, I'm

2096
01:15:29,300 --> 01:15:31,539
just kind of bringing my attention, you know,

2097
01:15:31,539 --> 01:15:33,079
whatever I was doing in the world.

2098
01:15:33,539 --> 01:15:35,460
Now I'm creating this kind of little work

2099
01:15:35,460 --> 01:15:36,039
of art,

2100
01:15:36,340 --> 01:15:38,020
this little edible work of art, and there's

2101
01:15:38,099 --> 01:15:39,239
okay. There's the chocolate.

2102
01:15:39,619 --> 01:15:42,725
And then, you know, maybe there's olives. I

2103
01:15:42,725 --> 01:15:44,164
don't know. Some people like that. You know,

2104
01:15:44,164 --> 01:15:46,164
sometimes it's it's nice to have something that's,

2105
01:15:46,164 --> 01:15:46,984
like, a little

2106
01:15:47,524 --> 01:15:48,024
incongruous.

2107
01:15:48,405 --> 01:15:50,324
Mhmm. Well, because then you can hit all

2108
01:15:50,324 --> 01:15:52,805
the flavors. Here's my sweet. Here's my citrus.

2109
01:15:52,805 --> 01:15:55,064
Here's my salty olive, whatever.

2110
01:15:55,650 --> 01:15:57,829
Yeah. That kind of thing. Mhmm.

2111
01:15:59,409 --> 01:16:00,150
You know,

2112
01:16:00,530 --> 01:16:01,030
mushrooms

2113
01:16:01,650 --> 01:16:02,710
seem to like,

2114
01:16:03,329 --> 01:16:04,930
well, you know, you might have, like, a

2115
01:16:04,930 --> 01:16:05,829
drinking chocolate

2116
01:16:06,130 --> 01:16:08,070
as well. Like, cacao could be nice.

2117
01:16:09,024 --> 01:16:10,545
You know you you'd wanna know if that

2118
01:16:10,545 --> 01:16:12,324
would disturb somebody's stomach, but,

2119
01:16:12,784 --> 01:16:15,284
cacao is nice. Ginger tea is really nice.

2120
01:16:15,505 --> 01:16:17,604
Crystalized ginger is really nice.

2121
01:16:18,864 --> 01:16:21,505
You know, you certainly don't want to have

2122
01:16:21,505 --> 01:16:22,005
to

2123
01:16:23,130 --> 01:16:25,289
do much prep. I found it. Not in

2124
01:16:25,289 --> 01:16:28,010
the moment. Exactly. You wanna do it well

2125
01:16:28,010 --> 01:16:28,670
in advance.

2126
01:16:29,050 --> 01:16:31,449
Yeah. Yeah. And also, you know, with most

2127
01:16:31,449 --> 01:16:33,930
psychedelics, most psychedelics in the short term are

2128
01:16:33,930 --> 01:16:34,829
appetite suppressants

2129
01:16:35,130 --> 01:16:35,630
too.

2130
01:16:35,985 --> 01:16:36,704
And so,

2131
01:16:37,185 --> 01:16:40,164
you know, when you're going up and up,

2132
01:16:40,305 --> 01:16:42,704
that's not usually when you're going to get

2133
01:16:42,704 --> 01:16:44,645
hungry. After you have

2134
01:16:45,024 --> 01:16:47,664
some time, you might get a little snacky,

2135
01:16:47,664 --> 01:16:49,585
which is what we're kind of talking about

2136
01:16:49,585 --> 01:16:50,645
here. But

2137
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:54,920
while it's not never, it is atypical in

2138
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:56,220
my experience that

2139
01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:59,100
when you're in the throes of a psychedelic

2140
01:16:59,159 --> 01:17:01,960
experience that you'll be very hungry. Now, when

2141
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:02,940
you come down,

2142
01:17:03,744 --> 01:17:06,305
you will often be hungry. And I think

2143
01:17:06,305 --> 01:17:07,525
it's a good idea to

2144
01:17:07,985 --> 01:17:10,005
plan in advance what your,

2145
01:17:10,385 --> 01:17:12,784
you know, end of trip meal is gonna

2146
01:17:12,784 --> 01:17:14,545
be like. So, at least you know where

2147
01:17:14,545 --> 01:17:16,164
the food's gonna come from.

2148
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:17,380
Because

2149
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:19,760
when you're when you're coming down, you might

2150
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:22,099
be tired and you might be feeling glowy.

2151
01:17:23,039 --> 01:17:24,739
You might not wanna be making,

2152
01:17:25,199 --> 01:17:28,099
you know, like, serious food decisions that time.

2153
01:17:28,159 --> 01:17:30,074
So maybe maybe you already have it,

2154
01:17:30,475 --> 01:17:32,395
or maybe you have a plan that, oh,

2155
01:17:32,395 --> 01:17:34,015
at the end, we're gonna order

2156
01:17:34,795 --> 01:17:37,454
delivered food from our favorite place or whatever.

2157
01:17:38,555 --> 01:17:40,715
Like most everything we've been talking about, you

2158
01:17:40,715 --> 01:17:42,895
can do it however you want.

2159
01:17:43,489 --> 01:17:45,489
But it's good to plan this out ahead

2160
01:17:45,489 --> 01:17:46,550
of time, especially

2161
01:17:47,010 --> 01:17:48,949
if it's one of your first times

2162
01:17:49,409 --> 01:17:51,409
so that the whole thing just goes well

2163
01:17:51,409 --> 01:17:54,850
for you. Right. And people do you want

2164
01:17:54,850 --> 01:17:56,130
to be mindful that

2165
01:17:57,304 --> 01:17:59,064
and this goes with setting I'll go back

2166
01:17:59,064 --> 01:18:01,965
to setting as well, that what is appetizing

2167
01:18:02,104 --> 01:18:03,864
to you in your regular life might not

2168
01:18:03,864 --> 01:18:05,324
be. Good point.

2169
01:18:06,104 --> 01:18:08,024
Whereas, you know, you might be a person

2170
01:18:08,024 --> 01:18:08,505
like,

2171
01:18:09,145 --> 01:18:10,444
psychedelics have have

2172
01:18:10,789 --> 01:18:12,090
minted many vegetarians.

2173
01:18:12,390 --> 01:18:14,650
Yeah. You know, who were

2174
01:18:15,030 --> 01:18:17,289
who were very comfortable just eating whatever

2175
01:18:17,829 --> 01:18:19,530
and then they tried to eat whatever

2176
01:18:20,229 --> 01:18:20,729
and

2177
01:18:21,270 --> 01:18:22,970
it wasn't working for them anymore.

2178
01:18:24,125 --> 01:18:26,204
It was like, oh, that's that's that's not

2179
01:18:26,204 --> 01:18:27,344
that's not it.

2180
01:18:28,604 --> 01:18:29,984
So, you know, in general,

2181
01:18:30,844 --> 01:18:32,844
one of the really cool things about psychedelics

2182
01:18:32,844 --> 01:18:34,545
that I think a lot of people don't

2183
01:18:35,164 --> 01:18:36,925
recognize, you know, with all the stigma and

2184
01:18:36,925 --> 01:18:38,465
stuff is that in many cases,

2185
01:18:39,210 --> 01:18:41,789
they make people kind of more wholesome

2186
01:18:42,170 --> 01:18:43,229
in a lot of ways.

2187
01:18:43,609 --> 01:18:45,710
Right? They make people kinder and

2188
01:18:46,090 --> 01:18:48,109
more gentle and more attentive,

2189
01:18:49,369 --> 01:18:51,390
and perhaps wanting to

2190
01:18:52,265 --> 01:18:54,984
have fun in simpler ways. Right? Eat simpler

2191
01:18:54,984 --> 01:18:55,484
foods.

2192
01:18:55,945 --> 01:18:58,425
Not always, of course, but you know, that

2193
01:18:58,425 --> 01:19:01,225
that's one of the things. Mhmm. And, you

2194
01:19:01,225 --> 01:19:01,725
know,

2195
01:19:02,664 --> 01:19:04,824
on that note, we're going back to setting

2196
01:19:04,824 --> 01:19:07,819
is sometimes the things that people think are

2197
01:19:07,819 --> 01:19:09,359
trippy when they're sober

2198
01:19:09,739 --> 01:19:11,279
are not trippy when they're trippy.

2199
01:19:12,139 --> 01:19:14,699
Also true. Yeah. Like, you know, like like,

2200
01:19:14,699 --> 01:19:17,199
sometimes they'll be like, you know, cheap plastic

2201
01:19:17,260 --> 01:19:19,199
crap with flashing lights in it

2202
01:19:19,645 --> 01:19:22,845
is not as interesting as, like, a smooth

2203
01:19:22,845 --> 01:19:24,385
gray rock. Yeah.

2204
01:19:25,324 --> 01:19:28,445
Well, it's odd too because very often you

2205
01:19:28,445 --> 01:19:30,125
see the plastic and you're all like, this

2206
01:19:30,125 --> 01:19:32,604
is an unreal thing, you know? It's it's

2207
01:19:32,604 --> 01:19:34,284
it's you just don't really know how you're

2208
01:19:34,284 --> 01:19:35,104
going to

2209
01:19:36,180 --> 01:19:38,579
interpret things. And I don't know. I think

2210
01:19:38,579 --> 01:19:41,400
that there are reasons why people tend towards

2211
01:19:42,820 --> 01:19:45,239
natural things when they're on psychedelics.

2212
01:19:46,979 --> 01:19:48,854
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there is a

2213
01:19:48,854 --> 01:19:51,494
really there's a cool book called Psychedelic Prayers

2214
01:19:51,494 --> 01:19:52,555
by Timothy Leary.

2215
01:19:53,095 --> 01:19:53,595
He

2216
01:19:55,734 --> 01:19:58,215
had, I think, like, 7 copies of the

2217
01:19:58,215 --> 01:20:00,715
Dao De Ching and a vial of acid.

2218
01:20:01,310 --> 01:20:02,750
And I think he was in India. He

2219
01:20:02,750 --> 01:20:03,649
fled the country.

2220
01:20:04,109 --> 01:20:06,430
And he read the Dao De Ching and

2221
01:20:06,430 --> 01:20:08,510
he took the acid and he wrote psychedelic

2222
01:20:08,510 --> 01:20:09,010
prayers.

2223
01:20:09,550 --> 01:20:11,229
And one of the things that it talks

2224
01:20:11,229 --> 01:20:13,470
about in there are the things that are

2225
01:20:13,470 --> 01:20:14,609
nice to have around.

2226
01:20:15,635 --> 01:20:17,635
You know? And he, I'm seeing if I

2227
01:20:17,635 --> 01:20:18,454
have it nearby.

2228
01:20:19,315 --> 01:20:20,595
We can put it in the show notes.

2229
01:20:20,595 --> 01:20:21,895
I know I don't have it nearby.

2230
01:20:22,595 --> 01:20:24,215
But, you know, something like

2231
01:20:24,675 --> 01:20:25,175
handwoven

2232
01:20:25,555 --> 01:20:26,055
cloth.

2233
01:20:26,675 --> 01:20:28,375
Right? Uncarved wood.

2234
01:20:29,149 --> 01:20:30,689
Right? Raw rocks.

2235
01:20:31,390 --> 01:20:33,550
Right? He said in in his poem, he

2236
01:20:33,550 --> 01:20:34,210
he says

2237
01:20:34,590 --> 01:20:38,689
bread bread, cheese, and wine. Mhmm. Right?

2238
01:20:40,109 --> 01:20:42,930
Anything that is over 500 years old.

2239
01:20:43,675 --> 01:20:45,595
Right. When you have like like an ancient

2240
01:20:45,595 --> 01:20:48,235
artifact, that could be really fun. Yeah. And

2241
01:20:48,235 --> 01:20:49,675
then of course he ends by saying, of

2242
01:20:49,675 --> 01:20:51,675
course, it's best to be secluded in nature.

2243
01:20:51,675 --> 01:20:52,175
Right.

2244
01:20:53,675 --> 01:20:55,614
But just simple natural

2245
01:20:56,314 --> 01:20:58,655
things, you know, can go a long way.

2246
01:20:59,829 --> 01:21:00,329
Yeah.

2247
01:21:01,750 --> 01:21:02,250
Handmade.

2248
01:21:03,030 --> 01:21:05,030
Mhmm. Right? Things that have care in them.

2249
01:21:05,030 --> 01:21:07,030
You can see. That's an interesting thing. It's

2250
01:21:07,030 --> 01:21:08,470
like one of those superpowers, you know, in

2251
01:21:08,470 --> 01:21:10,630
the shows that sometimes there's a superhero and

2252
01:21:10,630 --> 01:21:11,909
they can touch a thing and they know

2253
01:21:11,909 --> 01:21:14,925
its history. Right. Yes. Like, a tripper knows

2254
01:21:14,925 --> 01:21:16,385
if there's care in a thing.

2255
01:21:18,764 --> 01:21:20,844
So the last thing I wanna touch on

2256
01:21:20,844 --> 01:21:23,404
here is, is just the preparation of the

2257
01:21:23,404 --> 01:21:24,225
drug itself.

2258
01:21:25,085 --> 01:21:26,430
I think it's always good,

2259
01:21:27,310 --> 01:21:28,989
whether you're on your own or with a

2260
01:21:28,989 --> 01:21:29,489
group,

2261
01:21:29,869 --> 01:21:32,189
to be really clear well in advance on

2262
01:21:32,189 --> 01:21:34,909
what your dosage is and to pre make

2263
01:21:34,909 --> 01:21:36,289
it so that you're not

2264
01:21:36,590 --> 01:21:40,110
debating on your dosage or preparing it right

2265
01:21:40,110 --> 01:21:42,210
there at the last moment. Because,

2266
01:21:42,564 --> 01:21:44,524
you know, some of these molecules, they, you

2267
01:21:44,524 --> 01:21:46,005
know, you really have to do it with

2268
01:21:46,005 --> 01:21:48,005
care and slowly if you're going to be

2269
01:21:48,005 --> 01:21:50,324
making a capsule or, you know, you want

2270
01:21:50,324 --> 01:21:51,364
to be clear if you're going to do

2271
01:21:51,364 --> 01:21:52,645
it with friends. Are we going to make

2272
01:21:52,645 --> 01:21:55,045
a tea or are we going to eat

2273
01:21:55,045 --> 01:21:57,064
the mushroom fruit itself?

2274
01:21:58,389 --> 01:22:00,469
I I discourage people from leaving that to

2275
01:22:00,469 --> 01:22:01,369
the last minute.

2276
01:22:03,189 --> 01:22:04,329
Yeah. I mean, I

2277
01:22:05,590 --> 01:22:08,069
am cautious about answering this too much because

2278
01:22:08,069 --> 01:22:10,309
I don't want it to seem like too

2279
01:22:10,309 --> 01:22:10,809
much

2280
01:22:11,734 --> 01:22:14,795
advice about, like, that kind of stuff. Mhmm.

2281
01:22:15,335 --> 01:22:15,835
But,

2282
01:22:16,375 --> 01:22:17,114
you know,

2283
01:22:17,574 --> 01:22:18,875
test kits are available.

2284
01:22:19,654 --> 01:22:20,875
Scales are available.

2285
01:22:21,895 --> 01:22:22,295
You know,

2286
01:22:22,854 --> 01:22:24,474
guy Arrowid is available.

2287
01:22:24,934 --> 01:22:26,554
Right? You know, there are many

2288
01:22:26,940 --> 01:22:28,860
reference materials so that you can know what

2289
01:22:28,860 --> 01:22:30,479
a thing is supposed to do.

2290
01:22:30,780 --> 01:22:32,619
Right? You can decide based on the effects

2291
01:22:32,619 --> 01:22:34,699
that you want that some things lean more

2292
01:22:34,699 --> 01:22:36,560
towards one thing or lead towards another.

2293
01:22:36,940 --> 01:22:39,440
Right? Guideline dosage guidelines are online.

2294
01:22:39,979 --> 01:22:40,479
Right?

2295
01:22:40,860 --> 01:22:41,360
So

2296
01:22:42,505 --> 01:22:45,145
yeah. Right on. So let's go ahead and

2297
01:22:45,145 --> 01:22:47,385
take our second break. We'll be right back,

2298
01:22:47,385 --> 01:22:49,864
my friends. You are listening to Shaping Fire,

2299
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and my guest today is psychedelic integration coach,

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you are far too brief for an entire

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on Instagram.

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Welcome back. You are listening to Shaping Fire

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and I am your host, ShangoLose.

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And my guest today is psychedelic integration coach,

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Daniel Schenken.

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So my friends, here we are at the

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final set and we are going to talk

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about integration.

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Integration is actually the first reason why I

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01:27:28,895 --> 01:27:30,594
became interested in your teaching

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01:27:31,135 --> 01:27:33,295
because integration is a part of the process

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01:27:33,295 --> 01:27:35,395
that I am least familiar with.

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01:27:35,854 --> 01:27:37,614
And by watching your,

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01:27:38,094 --> 01:27:40,034
your TikTok and Instagram accounts,

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I started really getting a good sense of

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01:27:42,819 --> 01:27:44,739
the integration I was doing right and the

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01:27:44,739 --> 01:27:46,679
integration I could be improving on.

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01:27:47,139 --> 01:27:49,699
And the quality of the advice that I

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01:27:49,699 --> 01:27:51,559
was offering to others has absolutely

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01:27:51,859 --> 01:27:54,199
increased since, since I started

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01:27:54,744 --> 01:27:57,305
listening to your insights. So so let's That's

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amazing to hear. Thank you. Oh, good. Excellent.

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01:27:59,465 --> 01:28:02,185
So so let's start with with just asking

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01:28:02,185 --> 01:28:03,805
you to kind of give us an umbrella.

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01:28:04,104 --> 01:28:04,604
Integration,

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01:28:05,864 --> 01:28:08,185
is it's probably a pretty vague term for

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01:28:08,185 --> 01:28:10,429
most folks. And so why don't we start

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01:28:10,429 --> 01:28:13,310
with that, like, what is integration and what

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01:28:13,310 --> 01:28:15,170
are we looking to get out of it?

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01:28:15,710 --> 01:28:16,850
Right. Okay. So

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01:28:17,550 --> 01:28:18,989
and we can look at this from a

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01:28:18,989 --> 01:28:21,250
lot of different levels, like, depending on

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01:28:21,564 --> 01:28:22,385
how we view

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01:28:23,005 --> 01:28:24,224
who and what we are.

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01:28:24,604 --> 01:28:26,764
But on a most basic level, you might

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01:28:26,764 --> 01:28:27,264
say,

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01:28:27,965 --> 01:28:30,925
hey, you learned some stuff. You learned some

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01:28:30,925 --> 01:28:33,824
stuff about yourself. You got some messages. We

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01:28:33,885 --> 01:28:35,724
we like to call them downloads these days

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01:28:35,724 --> 01:28:36,224
sometimes,

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01:28:37,479 --> 01:28:39,180
and maybe marching orders.

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01:28:40,039 --> 01:28:41,880
And so, it was like, okay, maybe you

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01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:44,520
should start doing this, be nicer to people,

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01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:46,840
say you're sorry, clean your room, and maybe

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01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:48,699
you should stop doing this, smoking,

2452
01:28:49,164 --> 01:28:50,704
drinking too much, whatever.

2453
01:28:51,885 --> 01:28:53,524
And maybe on the long term you want

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01:28:53,524 --> 01:28:55,324
to kind of move towards this in your

2455
01:28:55,324 --> 01:28:56,604
life. You want to become a chef. You

2456
01:28:56,604 --> 01:28:59,164
have to go to culinary school. Right? And

2457
01:28:59,164 --> 01:28:59,664
so,

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01:29:00,444 --> 01:29:02,064
figuring out how to

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01:29:02,444 --> 01:29:03,425
get those done.

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01:29:04,039 --> 01:29:05,819
Like, what might what is it like

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01:29:06,359 --> 01:29:08,840
to genuinely be kinder to people? What is

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01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:10,840
it like to be more humble and say

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01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:12,939
you're sorry when you mess up even though

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01:29:13,079 --> 01:29:15,239
sometimes it feels like you might die if

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01:29:15,239 --> 01:29:17,239
you have to say you're sorry, that it's

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01:29:17,239 --> 01:29:19,314
the most vulnerable thing in the world? What

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01:29:19,314 --> 01:29:22,354
might it be like to quit drinking when

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01:29:22,354 --> 01:29:24,755
that's what you know? Right? And that's how

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01:29:24,755 --> 01:29:25,975
you interact with people.

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01:29:26,675 --> 01:29:29,095
And then what does it take to actually

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01:29:29,155 --> 01:29:29,895
get yourself

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01:29:30,354 --> 01:29:32,295
to and through culinary school?

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01:29:32,819 --> 01:29:34,679
Right? All of these kinds of

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01:29:34,979 --> 01:29:36,920
dreams and upgrades that are available

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01:29:37,300 --> 01:29:39,139
and what is it gonna take to kinda

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01:29:39,139 --> 01:29:41,060
make this happen. Right? So that's part of

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01:29:41,060 --> 01:29:41,560
integration.

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01:29:42,979 --> 01:29:44,359
And what often happens

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is

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01:29:46,099 --> 01:29:46,599
people

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01:29:47,275 --> 01:29:48,795
start off with good intentions and then it

2482
01:29:48,795 --> 01:29:50,074
drops off, life gets in the way, they

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01:29:50,074 --> 01:29:52,235
don't have any accountability, they don't have anything

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01:29:52,235 --> 01:29:52,735
anybody,

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01:29:53,515 --> 01:29:55,755
to support them. Right? We just kinda forget

2486
01:29:55,755 --> 01:29:56,414
our lessons.

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01:29:57,034 --> 01:29:58,795
Yeah. We can forget our lessons. And then

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01:29:58,795 --> 01:30:00,395
you know what happens when we forget our

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01:30:00,395 --> 01:30:00,895
lessons

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01:30:01,949 --> 01:30:03,250
is our vibe drops.

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01:30:04,270 --> 01:30:06,829
Right? So also, this is my favorite. I

2492
01:30:06,829 --> 01:30:09,010
really like integration of transcendence

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01:30:09,469 --> 01:30:10,770
and mystical experience.

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01:30:11,710 --> 01:30:14,050
So this is what keeps me coming back

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01:30:14,734 --> 01:30:16,274
is I have these experiences

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01:30:17,934 --> 01:30:20,354
of bliss, oneness, connection,

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01:30:20,895 --> 01:30:22,034
God, love,

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01:30:22,654 --> 01:30:23,715
all of that stuff.

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01:30:24,255 --> 01:30:24,755
Right?

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And

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I like that and I like that feeling.

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01:30:28,750 --> 01:30:30,689
And I can feel it speaking about shapes,

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01:30:30,909 --> 01:30:33,010
like, being in that kind of ecstatic

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01:30:33,310 --> 01:30:36,109
con connected state shapes us in a certain

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01:30:36,109 --> 01:30:36,609
way.

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01:30:36,909 --> 01:30:39,329
Right? We get shaped by bliss and joy

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01:30:39,469 --> 01:30:41,265
and the spiritual experience,

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01:30:41,805 --> 01:30:44,204
which is awesome. And then perhaps we vibrate

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01:30:44,204 --> 01:30:45,484
in a certain way or we show up

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01:30:45,484 --> 01:30:47,024
for the world in a certain way,

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01:30:47,645 --> 01:30:49,164
depending on whether or not, you know, whatever

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01:30:49,164 --> 01:30:50,765
you think of vibes, but we show up

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01:30:50,765 --> 01:30:53,324
different. And we feel amazing and we wanna

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01:30:53,324 --> 01:30:54,385
hold on to that.

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01:30:55,270 --> 01:30:57,109
But then the thing is is that that

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01:30:57,109 --> 01:30:59,909
starts to downgrade too. And it starts to

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01:30:59,909 --> 01:31:00,409
downgrade

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01:31:00,710 --> 01:31:03,770
because we stop practicing humility. We stop practicing

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01:31:03,829 --> 01:31:06,550
kindness. We stop practicing truth. And we drink

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01:31:06,550 --> 01:31:08,354
too much, and we eat the wrong stuff.

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01:31:08,755 --> 01:31:10,295
Right? So it's like the lessons

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01:31:11,475 --> 01:31:12,375
kind of correlate

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01:31:12,755 --> 01:31:14,215
the doing and the being.

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01:31:14,755 --> 01:31:16,675
We start to see a connection. If I

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wanna be the person that I wanna be,

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01:31:18,675 --> 01:31:20,595
it means I have to do the things

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01:31:20,595 --> 01:31:22,189
that I know I'm supposed to do. Yeah.

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Ain't ain't that the rub?

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01:31:24,189 --> 01:31:24,689
Yeah.

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01:31:25,149 --> 01:31:26,989
And, you know, if you wanna stay connected

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01:31:26,989 --> 01:31:28,270
to one of the things I I say

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01:31:28,270 --> 01:31:30,030
to people, like, if you wanna stay connected

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01:31:30,030 --> 01:31:31,890
to source, you have to serve the source.

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Mhmm. Right?

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01:31:33,710 --> 01:31:34,930
And so there's that.

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01:31:35,550 --> 01:31:37,570
Integration might also mean

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01:31:38,025 --> 01:31:39,244
that there are

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01:31:40,185 --> 01:31:41,885
kind of parts of you

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01:31:42,425 --> 01:31:42,925
that

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01:31:43,465 --> 01:31:46,125
you haven't been embodying or living.

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01:31:46,425 --> 01:31:48,425
Right? Maybe kind humility parts, but it's like

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01:31:48,425 --> 01:31:50,425
sometimes we discover that there are

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01:31:51,090 --> 01:31:52,770
that we maybe are a more creative person

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01:31:52,770 --> 01:31:54,770
than we gave ourselves credit for. And so

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01:31:54,770 --> 01:31:57,189
there's, like, again, this kind of integration of,

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01:31:58,130 --> 01:31:59,829
being our our full potential.

2547
01:32:00,289 --> 01:32:01,750
Like, letting our full potential

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01:32:02,369 --> 01:32:04,725
really have a chance instead of just squashing

2549
01:32:04,784 --> 01:32:06,784
it down and saying it doesn't matter and

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01:32:06,784 --> 01:32:07,844
and putting it away.

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01:32:08,385 --> 01:32:10,085
There might also be,

2552
01:32:12,305 --> 01:32:15,045
like, integrate like, healing might have to happen.

2553
01:32:15,265 --> 01:32:16,944
Right? We might need to heal from, like,

2554
01:32:16,944 --> 01:32:17,765
some really

2555
01:32:18,270 --> 01:32:21,069
difficult stuff. We might have, repressed memories come

2556
01:32:21,069 --> 01:32:23,229
up of abuse or something like that, and

2557
01:32:23,229 --> 01:32:24,989
we have to kind of integrate our own

2558
01:32:24,989 --> 01:32:25,969
personal history

2559
01:32:26,590 --> 01:32:29,010
in a new way so that we can,

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01:32:30,029 --> 01:32:32,689
be a whole healed healthy person.

2561
01:32:33,255 --> 01:32:34,534
So we can look at it from, like,

2562
01:32:34,534 --> 01:32:35,835
a lot of different angles

2563
01:32:36,135 --> 01:32:37,574
and depending on who you are and what

2564
01:32:37,574 --> 01:32:39,895
you're going through at any particular time in

2565
01:32:39,895 --> 01:32:42,475
your soul's journey, it might mean different things.

2566
01:32:43,494 --> 01:32:44,155
Mhmm. So

2567
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:48,320
let's say that, you know, somebody just had

2568
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:49,699
the psychedelic experience

2569
01:32:50,159 --> 01:32:52,800
and they wanna do integration because they want

2570
01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:55,860
to really embrace the lessons that they learned.

2571
01:32:56,479 --> 01:32:59,360
And, you know, if this person already has

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01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:00,100
a therapist,

2573
01:33:00,479 --> 01:33:03,195
chances are very likely that they will do

2574
01:33:03,195 --> 01:33:05,775
this integration with the therapist they already have.

2575
01:33:06,074 --> 01:33:08,335
But lots of people who are doing psychedelics

2576
01:33:08,555 --> 01:33:10,335
don't actually have a relationship

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01:33:10,875 --> 01:33:12,414
preexisting with a therapist.

2578
01:33:12,875 --> 01:33:15,034
What kind of advice do you have for

2579
01:33:15,034 --> 01:33:15,854
those people?

2580
01:33:17,750 --> 01:33:19,510
Well, get one if you can afford 1.

2581
01:33:19,510 --> 01:33:20,010
Mhmm.

2582
01:33:21,430 --> 01:33:23,350
And it's, of course, cool if you find

2583
01:33:23,430 --> 01:33:25,529
you know, there's an increasing amount of therapists

2584
01:33:26,149 --> 01:33:28,229
who are willing to talk about psychedelics with

2585
01:33:28,229 --> 01:33:28,664
you.

2586
01:33:29,225 --> 01:33:30,024
So that's cool.

2587
01:33:31,784 --> 01:33:32,604
You can

2588
01:33:33,784 --> 01:33:36,104
find an integration circle. You can find an

2589
01:33:36,104 --> 01:33:37,965
integration coach or an integration circle.

2590
01:33:38,505 --> 01:33:42,329
An integration circle is kind of halfway between,

2591
01:33:43,430 --> 01:33:46,630
like, a meditation group and a support group.

2592
01:33:46,630 --> 01:33:49,350
Mhmm. Right? So it's like it it kind

2593
01:33:49,350 --> 01:33:51,109
of might look like a support group on

2594
01:33:51,109 --> 01:33:52,250
the outside, but

2595
01:33:53,829 --> 01:33:56,310
it doesn't necessarily mean anybody's broken or wounded

2596
01:33:56,310 --> 01:33:56,969
or anything.

2597
01:33:57,324 --> 01:33:58,844
I mean, we all are, but it's not

2598
01:33:58,844 --> 01:33:59,585
it's not like

2599
01:33:59,885 --> 01:34:02,604
a survivor type support group. Sure. Not necessarily.

2600
01:34:02,604 --> 01:34:04,925
It's just a slightly different vibe. People are

2601
01:34:04,925 --> 01:34:06,305
just kind of like really

2602
01:34:06,685 --> 01:34:09,005
growing. Right? So it's got that kind of

2603
01:34:09,005 --> 01:34:11,244
thing to it, as well as healing in

2604
01:34:11,244 --> 01:34:11,984
some cases.

2605
01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:14,039
And that is a place where you can

2606
01:34:14,039 --> 01:34:16,280
talk about, you know, what's important to you

2607
01:34:16,280 --> 01:34:17,800
and what you got out of your experience

2608
01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:19,720
and how you wanna keep it going with

2609
01:34:19,720 --> 01:34:21,420
a group of people who are,

2610
01:34:21,720 --> 01:34:22,939
you know, semi regular.

2611
01:34:24,039 --> 01:34:24,539
And

2612
01:34:24,935 --> 01:34:26,935
you kind of form a relationship with folks.

2613
01:34:26,935 --> 01:34:28,475
And sometimes, you know, we have

2614
01:34:29,015 --> 01:34:29,914
3 a week,

2615
01:34:30,855 --> 01:34:32,695
you know, on our on our website. They're

2616
01:34:32,695 --> 01:34:34,695
all on Zoom. And then depending where you

2617
01:34:34,695 --> 01:34:36,135
live in the world, there might be one

2618
01:34:36,135 --> 01:34:37,515
in person. Mhmm.

2619
01:34:38,449 --> 01:34:40,050
You know, it just so happens that I

2620
01:34:40,050 --> 01:34:42,710
have an online a little online

2621
01:34:43,010 --> 01:34:44,369
course on how to make your own. You

2622
01:34:44,369 --> 01:34:46,130
can you can start your own integration circle.

2623
01:34:46,130 --> 01:34:47,430
It's not rocket science.

2624
01:34:48,850 --> 01:34:49,350
So,

2625
01:34:49,729 --> 01:34:52,905
you know, some community support is a big

2626
01:34:52,905 --> 01:34:53,405
deal.

2627
01:34:54,345 --> 01:34:56,265
Some of it you have to do on

2628
01:34:56,265 --> 01:34:57,244
your own, of course.

2629
01:34:57,625 --> 01:35:01,085
Like nobody can nobody cannot drink for you.

2630
01:35:01,465 --> 01:35:04,505
Mhmm. Right? Right. You know, nobody can journal

2631
01:35:04,505 --> 01:35:06,664
for nobody can journal and meditate for you.

2632
01:35:06,664 --> 01:35:08,039
You have to do that on your own.

2633
01:35:09,079 --> 01:35:09,579
So,

2634
01:35:12,439 --> 01:35:14,039
yeah. I don't know if that answers your

2635
01:35:14,039 --> 01:35:15,180
question. Sure. It does.

2636
01:35:15,560 --> 01:35:17,260
And the next question would be,

2637
01:35:17,800 --> 01:35:19,979
I know that there are some independently

2638
01:35:20,680 --> 01:35:22,859
minded people who are listening

2639
01:35:23,604 --> 01:35:24,085
and,

2640
01:35:24,645 --> 01:35:26,984
you know, people who have got, you know,

2641
01:35:27,364 --> 01:35:30,645
always seeking autonomy like I am and we're

2642
01:35:30,645 --> 01:35:33,045
thinking, Oh, well, I can just do that

2643
01:35:33,045 --> 01:35:33,864
on my own.

2644
01:35:34,484 --> 01:35:34,984
And,

2645
01:35:35,445 --> 01:35:38,420
you know, I just I have this belief

2646
01:35:38,480 --> 01:35:39,940
without any real evidence

2647
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:43,300
that doing integration

2648
01:35:44,239 --> 01:35:45,140
with others

2649
01:35:46,079 --> 01:35:48,560
who are not who have got a different

2650
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:51,645
perspective and are a little more objective and

2651
01:35:51,885 --> 01:35:53,984
especially if they've got therapy training,

2652
01:35:54,284 --> 01:35:56,364
that it just seems to be more effective

2653
01:35:56,364 --> 01:35:57,345
to do integration,

2654
01:35:58,845 --> 01:36:01,324
along with someone else if if if only

2655
01:36:01,324 --> 01:36:03,965
to have someone to bounce stuff off of.

2656
01:36:03,965 --> 01:36:05,425
What are your thoughts about that?

2657
01:36:06,029 --> 01:36:07,969
Yeah. You can't We can't see ourselves.

2658
01:36:08,590 --> 01:36:10,210
You can't see your own eye.

2659
01:36:11,869 --> 01:36:13,469
You know what I mean? Like, you just

2660
01:36:13,630 --> 01:36:14,529
We just can't.

2661
01:36:14,909 --> 01:36:15,229
And

2662
01:36:15,949 --> 01:36:17,889
Because I'm in the Skinner box. Right?

2663
01:36:18,195 --> 01:36:20,614
So, me looking me observing myself

2664
01:36:21,635 --> 01:36:25,074
is incredibly subjective. So, we need it's helpful

2665
01:36:25,074 --> 01:36:26,675
for us to have somebody who's looking at

2666
01:36:26,675 --> 01:36:28,534
us on the outside. Is that the idea?

2667
01:36:29,954 --> 01:36:30,939
Yeah. Yeah.

2668
01:36:31,399 --> 01:36:34,380
Your strategies of evasion are highly sophisticated.

2669
01:36:34,840 --> 01:36:36,600
Yes, they are. I'll say that one's more

2670
01:36:36,679 --> 01:36:38,039
say that for those of you in the

2671
01:36:38,039 --> 01:36:40,520
back. Yeah. Your strategies of evasion are highly

2672
01:36:40,520 --> 01:36:41,020
sophisticated.

2673
01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:43,000
Right? And so there

2674
01:36:43,960 --> 01:36:45,420
you know, one would

2675
01:36:46,095 --> 01:36:47,855
I don't want to say need but I

2676
01:36:47,855 --> 01:36:49,614
will. You know, we need to have a

2677
01:36:49,614 --> 01:36:51,215
little bit of willingness and a little bit

2678
01:36:51,215 --> 01:36:52,595
of humility sometimes

2679
01:36:53,135 --> 01:36:56,195
and to recognize that we are relational beings.

2680
01:36:56,335 --> 01:36:58,175
And you've just been talking this whole time

2681
01:36:58,175 --> 01:37:00,469
about oh, I I did the psychedelics with

2682
01:37:00,469 --> 01:37:02,069
my friend and friends and it's good to

2683
01:37:02,069 --> 01:37:02,810
have a group.

2684
01:37:03,189 --> 01:37:05,510
It's good to have a group. Mhmm. Right?

2685
01:37:05,510 --> 01:37:07,350
Like, you could meet. You know, what would

2686
01:37:07,350 --> 01:37:09,350
it be like if you and your your

2687
01:37:09,350 --> 01:37:10,250
party people

2688
01:37:10,869 --> 01:37:12,969
said, okay, like, we're gonna meet

2689
01:37:13,875 --> 01:37:15,574
once a week at the same time,

2690
01:37:16,274 --> 01:37:17,255
right, for

2691
01:37:17,635 --> 01:37:20,034
an intentional meeting, much like that intention that

2692
01:37:20,034 --> 01:37:22,295
you all brought to fixing your friend's foot.

2693
01:37:22,354 --> 01:37:25,255
Mhmm. Right? We're gonna meet for 4 weeks

2694
01:37:25,314 --> 01:37:27,554
before our journey for an hour and a

2695
01:37:27,554 --> 01:37:28,054
half.

2696
01:37:28,650 --> 01:37:30,570
We're gonna have a conference call or we're

2697
01:37:30,570 --> 01:37:32,329
gonna meet at the coffee shop or whatever.

2698
01:37:32,329 --> 01:37:33,470
We're gonna get on Zoom

2699
01:37:34,010 --> 01:37:36,110
and we're gonna rap about

2700
01:37:36,489 --> 01:37:38,170
what we want and we're gonna talk about

2701
01:37:38,250 --> 01:37:40,350
we're gonna listen to the Shaping Fire podcast

2702
01:37:40,489 --> 01:37:42,170
and we're gonna make our own checklist. We're

2703
01:37:42,170 --> 01:37:43,895
gonna set it up And we're gonna talk

2704
01:37:43,895 --> 01:37:45,175
about our hopes and our dreams and our

2705
01:37:45,175 --> 01:37:47,195
desires. We're gonna be vulnerable with each other.

2706
01:37:47,335 --> 01:37:49,735
Right? And then after the trip, we're gonna

2707
01:37:49,735 --> 01:37:52,055
meet for 4 to 6 weeks for an

2708
01:37:52,055 --> 01:37:53,494
hour and a half, and we're gonna talk

2709
01:37:53,494 --> 01:37:55,895
about how our experience is unfolding and we're

2710
01:37:55,895 --> 01:37:57,275
gonna hold each other accountable

2711
01:37:57,750 --> 01:37:59,989
and we're going to focus on what's important

2712
01:37:59,989 --> 01:38:02,069
and we're going to reflect back what we

2713
01:38:02,069 --> 01:38:03,849
saw from each other in our journeys

2714
01:38:04,149 --> 01:38:05,909
and we're going to see what we learned

2715
01:38:05,909 --> 01:38:08,069
about ourselves and each other and we're going

2716
01:38:08,069 --> 01:38:09,989
to be there if somebody is confused about

2717
01:38:09,989 --> 01:38:11,689
something and offer them

2718
01:38:12,484 --> 01:38:12,984
support

2719
01:38:14,164 --> 01:38:14,664
and

2720
01:38:16,164 --> 01:38:16,824
good fellowship

2721
01:38:17,284 --> 01:38:19,364
without, again, laying our trips on each other

2722
01:38:19,364 --> 01:38:21,125
or offering each other a lot of advice,

2723
01:38:21,125 --> 01:38:23,604
but just kind of recognizing that we're growing

2724
01:38:23,604 --> 01:38:25,944
together. Like how would that change the journey

2725
01:38:26,770 --> 01:38:28,710
if it was exactly changing? It would wildly

2726
01:38:28,850 --> 01:38:30,770
improve it. Hearing you describe it, I'm like,

2727
01:38:30,770 --> 01:38:32,529
Man, I've never done that. I wanna sign

2728
01:38:32,529 --> 01:38:33,270
up for that.

2729
01:38:34,130 --> 01:38:36,310
Like, that level of integration would

2730
01:38:36,689 --> 01:38:39,750
really expand the healing that any particular psychedelic

2731
01:38:39,969 --> 01:38:40,949
experience has.

2732
01:38:41,925 --> 01:38:44,244
Right. And I say it and it's almost

2733
01:38:44,244 --> 01:38:46,345
like, duh. Right? Yeah. Yeah, it

2734
01:38:47,284 --> 01:38:49,845
is. But honestly, I, you know, I don't

2735
01:38:49,845 --> 01:38:52,005
know about how psychedelics are done in the

2736
01:38:52,005 --> 01:38:54,579
rest of the world, but, you know, I've

2737
01:38:54,579 --> 01:38:57,619
been involved with the psychedelic world for 35

2738
01:38:57,619 --> 01:39:00,360
years and integration is not historically

2739
01:39:01,460 --> 01:39:04,920
a part of the, you know, every person's

2740
01:39:05,619 --> 01:39:06,840
psychedelic experience.

2741
01:39:07,845 --> 01:39:09,864
And my God, it should be.

2742
01:39:11,204 --> 01:39:13,125
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. And it's

2743
01:39:13,125 --> 01:39:14,905
almost like keep in mind that,

2744
01:39:15,525 --> 01:39:16,185
you know,

2745
01:39:16,565 --> 01:39:19,065
in Peru, like the Ayahuasca people of Peru,

2746
01:39:19,619 --> 01:39:21,159
Shipibo tribes and such,

2747
01:39:21,619 --> 01:39:23,880
don't really do integration circles. They live

2748
01:39:24,340 --> 01:39:25,800
very different lives.

2749
01:39:27,219 --> 01:39:28,739
You know what I mean? Like, they live

2750
01:39:28,739 --> 01:39:31,639
like a slower paced life. Right? Their society

2751
01:39:31,699 --> 01:39:33,925
in a lot of ways was built off

2752
01:39:33,925 --> 01:39:35,145
of people doing Ayahuasca.

2753
01:39:35,925 --> 01:39:37,604
If you were a try If you and

2754
01:39:37,604 --> 01:39:38,345
your friends

2755
01:39:38,885 --> 01:39:41,145
had the wherewithal to start a society

2756
01:39:41,685 --> 01:39:43,704
based on your journeys together,

2757
01:39:44,405 --> 01:39:45,925
what would that society look like? And then

2758
01:39:45,925 --> 01:39:48,164
that's what you have in Peru in many

2759
01:39:48,164 --> 01:39:48,539
ways.

2760
01:39:50,460 --> 01:39:53,420
So so it's built into some cultures. It's

2761
01:39:53,420 --> 01:39:55,180
not built into our culture. And and, you

2762
01:39:55,180 --> 01:39:56,000
know, vulnerability

2763
01:39:56,699 --> 01:39:59,340
and community is not necessarily built into our

2764
01:39:59,340 --> 01:40:01,760
cultures, at least not like a vulnerable

2765
01:40:02,300 --> 01:40:04,935
kind of community thing. Right. Like, it's it's

2766
01:40:04,935 --> 01:40:05,435
more

2767
01:40:05,974 --> 01:40:07,354
like it's more external.

2768
01:40:07,734 --> 01:40:09,974
You know, it's exoteric and in a lot

2769
01:40:09,974 --> 01:40:10,534
of ways,

2770
01:40:12,215 --> 01:40:14,375
you know, still built around, like, what what

2771
01:40:14,375 --> 01:40:16,234
the individual can get out of it.

2772
01:40:17,039 --> 01:40:19,699
On a real mechanical level, if if somebody

2773
01:40:20,319 --> 01:40:22,099
wants to do integration

2774
01:40:22,800 --> 01:40:24,020
with a professional,

2775
01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:27,139
what would you recommend

2776
01:40:27,599 --> 01:40:29,619
they look for? Like, what are the attributes

2777
01:40:30,255 --> 01:40:31,614
and what are the things that they should

2778
01:40:31,614 --> 01:40:32,914
think of when choosing

2779
01:40:33,854 --> 01:40:35,554
who to work with? I mean, you've

2780
01:40:35,935 --> 01:40:36,755
taught so many

2781
01:40:37,614 --> 01:40:41,234
facilitators and integration specialists, you probably have got,

2782
01:40:41,375 --> 01:40:42,034
you know,

2783
01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:45,619
a good list of best practices for choosing

2784
01:40:46,159 --> 01:40:48,159
1. Right. Well, I mean, you should start

2785
01:40:48,159 --> 01:40:50,180
with me. Right? Reach out to me.

2786
01:40:51,680 --> 01:40:54,000
You know, you would probably want somebody who

2787
01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:55,859
was very familiar with the territory.

2788
01:40:56,560 --> 01:40:57,060
So,

2789
01:40:57,744 --> 01:41:00,484
you know, I don't have an advanced degree.

2790
01:41:01,744 --> 01:41:03,585
You know, I I I don't like I

2791
01:41:03,585 --> 01:41:06,085
don't like traditional schooling. You know, I've

2792
01:41:06,944 --> 01:41:09,685
taught and trained many people with advanced degrees.

2793
01:41:11,020 --> 01:41:12,539
But, you know, I as soon as I

2794
01:41:12,539 --> 01:41:13,979
got out of college, I just I found

2795
01:41:13,979 --> 01:41:15,179
a yoga mat and I hung out in

2796
01:41:15,179 --> 01:41:17,739
yoga studios and meditation halls and stuff like

2797
01:41:17,739 --> 01:41:19,020
that. That's kind of where I did a

2798
01:41:19,020 --> 01:41:19,920
lot of my training.

2799
01:41:21,500 --> 01:41:23,359
So you have to decide, like, is

2800
01:41:23,739 --> 01:41:24,639
the degree

2801
01:41:25,755 --> 01:41:27,755
important? Like, to what extent is the degree

2802
01:41:27,755 --> 01:41:29,755
important and to what extent is the experience

2803
01:41:29,755 --> 01:41:31,435
important? And if you can get both, that's

2804
01:41:31,435 --> 01:41:33,594
great. Yeah. You know, especially if there's rightness

2805
01:41:33,594 --> 01:41:35,435
of fit. So you wanna be working with

2806
01:41:35,435 --> 01:41:38,975
somebody who you feel seen and not judged

2807
01:41:39,114 --> 01:41:42,279
and held by. Right? And they're clever.

2808
01:41:42,579 --> 01:41:43,079
Right?

2809
01:41:43,539 --> 01:41:44,039
So,

2810
01:41:45,220 --> 01:41:47,300
so you wanna be that's what you're kinda

2811
01:41:47,300 --> 01:41:49,159
looking for. You know, if somebody is kind

2812
01:41:49,300 --> 01:41:51,380
of just out of school and they've, you

2813
01:41:51,380 --> 01:41:53,300
know, they've done a little bit of a

2814
01:41:53,300 --> 01:41:54,359
ketamine training

2815
01:41:55,395 --> 01:41:57,175
Maybe, maybe not. Mhmm.

2816
01:41:57,635 --> 01:41:58,295
You know?

2817
01:41:59,954 --> 01:42:01,715
But, you know, you can vet people. You

2818
01:42:01,715 --> 01:42:03,015
can ask people stuff.

2819
01:42:03,875 --> 01:42:06,194
And, you know, in the realm of social

2820
01:42:06,194 --> 01:42:08,034
media, you know, there's there's people out there

2821
01:42:08,034 --> 01:42:08,935
sort of like,

2822
01:42:09,300 --> 01:42:10,920
you know, blabbing about

2823
01:42:11,460 --> 01:42:13,239
how smart they are all the time

2824
01:42:13,619 --> 01:42:15,539
and maybe you find one that resonates with

2825
01:42:15,539 --> 01:42:16,039
you.

2826
01:42:16,659 --> 01:42:19,060
I think that's the very important part is

2827
01:42:19,060 --> 01:42:21,079
is to find somebody who's got a communication

2828
01:42:21,300 --> 01:42:24,435
style that that I feel blends with my

2829
01:42:24,435 --> 01:42:27,234
own because we're gonna be talking about, but

2830
01:42:27,234 --> 01:42:29,255
intimate and subtle and,

2831
01:42:30,835 --> 01:42:32,194
you know, I think subtle is the right

2832
01:42:32,194 --> 01:42:34,929
word, things. And I want somebody where we're

2833
01:42:34,929 --> 01:42:37,250
already kind of speaking the same language so

2834
01:42:37,250 --> 01:42:38,770
that we can get to the core of

2835
01:42:38,770 --> 01:42:39,429
the matters

2836
01:42:39,889 --> 01:42:40,389
swiftly.

2837
01:42:40,849 --> 01:42:41,829
Yes. Effectively.

2838
01:42:42,849 --> 01:42:45,250
Yeah. Right. So somebody is one of the

2839
01:42:45,250 --> 01:42:46,789
best compliments I've gotten

2840
01:42:47,170 --> 01:42:48,469
was disarming.

2841
01:42:50,064 --> 01:42:52,385
Right? Which almost sounds kind of you know,

2842
01:42:52,385 --> 01:42:53,824
I always had to be like, wait, what

2843
01:42:53,824 --> 01:42:55,185
do you mean? And they were like, well,

2844
01:42:55,185 --> 01:42:56,704
you just you make me want to, like,

2845
01:42:56,704 --> 01:42:59,364
put down my weapons, my defence my defensive

2846
01:42:59,744 --> 01:43:00,244
structures.

2847
01:43:00,704 --> 01:43:02,625
You know, I can drop my defences and

2848
01:43:02,625 --> 01:43:04,064
be myself. And I was like, oh, okay,

2849
01:43:04,064 --> 01:43:06,750
that's nice. Mhmm. You know, you want to

2850
01:43:06,750 --> 01:43:07,889
feel like you can

2851
01:43:08,189 --> 01:43:09,489
take your armor off.

2852
01:43:10,590 --> 01:43:12,449
So now that we've been talking with integration,

2853
01:43:13,069 --> 01:43:14,909
about integration a little bit because I I've

2854
01:43:14,909 --> 01:43:16,529
been learning as you've been talking,

2855
01:43:17,274 --> 01:43:19,514
I think that I would probably summarize it

2856
01:43:19,514 --> 01:43:21,354
like if I were to be talking with

2857
01:43:21,354 --> 01:43:23,375
somebody else later on today about integration.

2858
01:43:23,835 --> 01:43:25,194
I think I would describe it as,

2859
01:43:25,994 --> 01:43:28,974
so we learn lessons when we're on psychedelics.

2860
01:43:29,929 --> 01:43:31,770
And we, you know, those of us who

2861
01:43:31,770 --> 01:43:34,109
have done psychedelics, we've all had the experience

2862
01:43:34,170 --> 01:43:34,670
of

2863
01:43:35,130 --> 01:43:37,929
forgetting our lessons and leaving them behind in

2864
01:43:37,929 --> 01:43:39,389
the psychedelic experience.

2865
01:43:40,250 --> 01:43:40,989
And so,

2866
01:43:41,449 --> 01:43:41,949
what

2867
01:43:42,444 --> 01:43:43,185
an integration

2868
01:43:43,804 --> 01:43:44,304
coach

2869
01:43:44,604 --> 01:43:45,984
or similar will

2870
01:43:46,364 --> 01:43:49,244
do is help you bring those lessons from

2871
01:43:49,244 --> 01:43:50,064
the psychedelic

2872
01:43:51,085 --> 01:43:51,585
experience

2873
01:43:52,364 --> 01:43:56,465
and help to integrate them into your non

2874
01:43:56,524 --> 01:43:57,744
psychedelic everyday

2875
01:43:58,659 --> 01:44:00,739
life so that the good things that you

2876
01:44:00,739 --> 01:44:03,159
have discovered during the psychedelic experience,

2877
01:44:03,619 --> 01:44:05,939
you actually get to use those to improve

2878
01:44:05,939 --> 01:44:08,279
your life instead of just having a psychedelic

2879
01:44:08,420 --> 01:44:10,520
experience and having these thoughts and then

2880
01:44:10,979 --> 01:44:13,635
having them slip away. Is that a fair

2881
01:44:13,635 --> 01:44:16,515
assessment? Yeah. Yeah. That's a great place to

2882
01:44:16,515 --> 01:44:18,215
be with all of that. Right on.

2883
01:44:18,755 --> 01:44:20,854
Well, thank you for explaining that. So,

2884
01:44:22,354 --> 01:44:24,694
so let's wrap up there, Daniel. So,

2885
01:44:25,420 --> 01:44:27,099
I'm going to put you on the spot

2886
01:44:27,099 --> 01:44:28,779
a little bit, but in a way that

2887
01:44:28,779 --> 01:44:31,260
you're probably very used to. Lightning round? Yeah.

2888
01:44:31,260 --> 01:44:34,779
Lightning round. Awesome. So so what would be

2889
01:44:34,779 --> 01:44:36,960
your what would be your last advice

2890
01:44:37,659 --> 01:44:40,960
for somebody who has never done psychedelics before,

2891
01:44:41,475 --> 01:44:44,114
They have found a good source for the

2892
01:44:44,114 --> 01:44:46,215
psychedelic of choice that they want to use.

2893
01:44:46,994 --> 01:44:50,675
And they're just trying to, like, rev up

2894
01:44:50,675 --> 01:44:52,454
the moxie or the gumption.

2895
01:44:53,074 --> 01:44:54,514
They know they want to do it. They

2896
01:44:54,514 --> 01:44:56,409
they have it. They're good to go. But

2897
01:44:56,409 --> 01:44:58,890
it sounds like it sounds like, you know,

2898
01:44:58,890 --> 01:45:01,210
taking the step off of a cliff or

2899
01:45:01,210 --> 01:45:03,689
something to them and and and they don't

2900
01:45:03,689 --> 01:45:05,609
know what it's gonna be like. And and

2901
01:45:05,609 --> 01:45:07,149
so they've got a little hesitation.

2902
01:45:07,689 --> 01:45:09,774
Maybe they've even maybe they've even had the

2903
01:45:09,774 --> 01:45:11,854
psychedelic in their pocket for months and they

2904
01:45:11,854 --> 01:45:13,555
haven't, like, taken the next step.

2905
01:45:14,175 --> 01:45:15,795
What would be your advice

2906
01:45:16,255 --> 01:45:19,375
for them to to to help them in

2907
01:45:19,375 --> 01:45:20,435
this next step?

2908
01:45:21,295 --> 01:45:22,835
Oh, I don't I don't know.

2909
01:45:24,390 --> 01:45:26,010
I don't I don't love this question.

2910
01:45:26,869 --> 01:45:28,710
Well, if you don't love the question maybe

2911
01:45:28,710 --> 01:45:30,649
speak to that and we'll learn from that.

2912
01:45:30,949 --> 01:45:31,449
Well,

2913
01:45:32,149 --> 01:45:33,210
it's, you know,

2914
01:45:33,909 --> 01:45:35,609
it's it's not for me to

2915
01:45:36,149 --> 01:45:38,550
to you you can lead a horse to

2916
01:45:38,550 --> 01:45:40,994
water. Right? Like it's not for me to

2917
01:45:40,994 --> 01:45:42,215
push somebody off,

2918
01:45:43,635 --> 01:45:45,815
you know, to push somebody into the pool.

2919
01:45:45,875 --> 01:45:48,375
Mhmm. Right? I mean, I would just

2920
01:45:49,074 --> 01:45:50,295
be really curious

2921
01:45:50,675 --> 01:45:52,800
if if I was coaching them. Right? So

2922
01:45:52,800 --> 01:45:54,560
it's if I was coaching them, it's it's

2923
01:45:54,560 --> 01:45:56,500
not a performance coaching. It's not like,

2924
01:45:56,960 --> 01:45:59,520
Glengarry Glen Ross. You know, this is not

2925
01:45:59,520 --> 01:46:01,840
coffees for closers. Right? Yeah. Yeah. This is

2926
01:46:01,840 --> 01:46:04,000
this is what we call development coaching. And

2927
01:46:04,000 --> 01:46:05,699
so I just wanna hear

2928
01:46:06,319 --> 01:46:07,539
about your anxiety.

2929
01:46:08,795 --> 01:46:10,734
Right? I just wanna know what's

2930
01:46:11,274 --> 01:46:12,414
coming up for you

2931
01:46:12,875 --> 01:46:14,014
and what is

2932
01:46:14,314 --> 01:46:17,835
holding you back because it's entirely possible it's

2933
01:46:17,835 --> 01:46:18,654
highly probable

2934
01:46:19,034 --> 01:46:20,640
that that trepidation

2935
01:46:21,579 --> 01:46:24,220
that you're feeling has served you really well

2936
01:46:24,220 --> 01:46:25,199
throughout your life.

2937
01:46:25,979 --> 01:46:28,460
Right? Like that trepidation, there may have been

2938
01:46:28,460 --> 01:46:30,619
times when that trepidation was the difference between

2939
01:46:30,619 --> 01:46:31,439
life and death.

2940
01:46:32,345 --> 01:46:34,585
Right? And so I wanna honor like, I

2941
01:46:34,585 --> 01:46:35,564
deeply honor

2942
01:46:35,864 --> 01:46:36,845
people's hesitancy.

2943
01:46:38,345 --> 01:46:40,345
Right? It's it's a display as far as

2944
01:46:40,345 --> 01:46:42,045
I'm concerned. It's a display of wisdom

2945
01:46:42,345 --> 01:46:43,085
and discernment.

2946
01:46:43,784 --> 01:46:46,104
And so I, you know, I I bow

2947
01:46:46,104 --> 01:46:46,845
to your

2948
01:46:47,280 --> 01:46:47,780
trepidation.

2949
01:46:48,479 --> 01:46:50,720
And I want you to know that it

2950
01:46:50,720 --> 01:46:52,180
is safe and acceptable

2951
01:46:52,560 --> 01:46:54,420
for you to be hesitant and anxious.

2952
01:46:55,359 --> 01:46:56,899
Right? And, like, let's

2953
01:46:57,280 --> 01:46:58,739
learn more about that.

2954
01:46:59,760 --> 01:47:02,420
How has it served you in the past?

2955
01:47:02,914 --> 01:47:04,375
Right? What is its aim?

2956
01:47:04,914 --> 01:47:06,534
How is it held in the body?

2957
01:47:08,435 --> 01:47:10,835
What does it make possible for you? Does

2958
01:47:10,835 --> 01:47:12,695
it limit you from things sometimes?

2959
01:47:13,475 --> 01:47:15,735
Right? It's like, what can we learn about

2960
01:47:16,050 --> 01:47:18,609
our this is their shape. Right? Coming back

2961
01:47:18,609 --> 01:47:20,689
to it. Your person is showing up and

2962
01:47:20,689 --> 01:47:21,590
that's their shape.

2963
01:47:22,289 --> 01:47:25,090
Right? They're bracing, perhaps. I'm I'm just picturing

2964
01:47:25,090 --> 01:47:26,210
in my head, you know, as I picture

2965
01:47:26,210 --> 01:47:28,310
this person whose headset sits in, I'm picturing,

2966
01:47:28,369 --> 01:47:30,229
like, a musculature, like, attention,

2967
01:47:30,695 --> 01:47:33,114
almost as if they're bracing for impact. Right?

2968
01:47:33,175 --> 01:47:35,414
I'm picturing like like, oh, like I'm hand

2969
01:47:35,494 --> 01:47:37,975
like if somebody would be handing them the

2970
01:47:37,975 --> 01:47:39,275
mushroom and they're like,

2971
01:47:39,655 --> 01:47:41,335
right? And their hands go out, like they're

2972
01:47:41,335 --> 01:47:43,414
pushing away, like, oh, like I I like

2973
01:47:43,414 --> 01:47:45,655
it's I fear I'm not safe. It's dangerous.

2974
01:47:45,655 --> 01:47:47,889
Right? And so there's that tension there. And

2975
01:47:47,889 --> 01:47:49,829
that's their shape. And they can't

2976
01:47:50,130 --> 01:47:53,109
do anything else. They can't not do that.

2977
01:47:53,409 --> 01:47:53,909
That's

2978
01:47:54,210 --> 01:47:56,550
the thing that has been keeping them

2979
01:47:56,929 --> 01:47:58,689
in as good a shape as they are.

2980
01:47:58,689 --> 01:48:01,329
Right. And so let's explore it. Let's learn

2981
01:48:01,329 --> 01:48:03,854
about it. Let's see if there are

2982
01:48:04,475 --> 01:48:06,954
other ways to practice being in a different

2983
01:48:06,954 --> 01:48:09,034
shape that is more in line with your

2984
01:48:09,034 --> 01:48:11,135
higher intentions and value and purpose.

2985
01:48:13,274 --> 01:48:13,774
Well,

2986
01:48:14,090 --> 01:48:16,090
I really like how you took the question

2987
01:48:16,090 --> 01:48:18,170
that you weren't a big fan of and

2988
01:48:18,170 --> 01:48:21,130
turned it into a powerful and liberating answer.

2989
01:48:21,130 --> 01:48:21,630
So

2990
01:48:22,010 --> 01:48:24,329
I appreciate that in you, Daniel. And I

2991
01:48:24,329 --> 01:48:25,149
also appreciate,

2992
01:48:25,929 --> 01:48:27,849
that a couple of the different questions I've

2993
01:48:27,849 --> 01:48:28,750
asked you today,

2994
01:48:29,114 --> 01:48:31,055
you kinda you kinda shook off

2995
01:48:31,835 --> 01:48:33,835
as being not the right question, if you

2996
01:48:33,835 --> 01:48:34,335
will,

2997
01:48:34,954 --> 01:48:37,454
and kind of working with me to mold

2998
01:48:37,914 --> 01:48:40,555
so the right things could be shared. So,

2999
01:48:40,555 --> 01:48:43,675
I appreciate that level of assertiveness in our

3000
01:48:43,675 --> 01:48:44,814
conversation today.

3001
01:48:45,380 --> 01:48:45,779
And,

3002
01:48:46,260 --> 01:48:48,819
so so thank you for your time and

3003
01:48:48,819 --> 01:48:50,899
and thank you very much for sharing your

3004
01:48:50,899 --> 01:48:51,960
breadth of experience

3005
01:48:52,340 --> 01:48:52,840
and,

3006
01:48:53,859 --> 01:48:54,359
your

3007
01:48:55,859 --> 01:48:58,179
your your gentle self. Right? I think that

3008
01:48:58,179 --> 01:49:00,279
a lot of people who are approaching this,

3009
01:49:00,364 --> 01:49:01,824
it can be a pretty bombastic

3010
01:49:03,485 --> 01:49:05,805
topic area for a lot of people. But

3011
01:49:05,805 --> 01:49:07,185
your approach is

3012
01:49:07,725 --> 01:49:09,905
so accepting and genuine

3013
01:49:10,525 --> 01:49:11,025
and

3014
01:49:11,805 --> 01:49:12,305
soothing

3015
01:49:12,930 --> 01:49:13,170
that,

3016
01:49:14,289 --> 01:49:16,210
I appreciate that you you brought that to

3017
01:49:16,210 --> 01:49:18,210
us and and shared that with us today.

3018
01:49:18,210 --> 01:49:19,969
Yeah, man. Thanks for letting me, you know,

3019
01:49:19,969 --> 01:49:21,649
share the message. I think this is really

3020
01:49:21,649 --> 01:49:22,550
important work.

3021
01:49:23,250 --> 01:49:25,010
I also really think the work that you're

3022
01:49:25,010 --> 01:49:26,469
doing is really important work.

3023
01:49:26,885 --> 01:49:27,385
And,

3024
01:49:27,925 --> 01:49:29,625
yeah, it's an honor to collaborate

3025
01:49:30,244 --> 01:49:31,864
with you. And, you know,

3026
01:49:32,324 --> 01:49:34,324
I'm I'm deeply grateful that we we got

3027
01:49:34,324 --> 01:49:36,805
connected in such a sweet and divine way.

3028
01:49:36,805 --> 01:49:38,885
Yes. Thanks for holding space, man. Yeah. Thank

3029
01:49:38,885 --> 01:49:40,805
you. You're doing really well. Right on. Thank

3030
01:49:40,805 --> 01:49:41,250
you.

3031
01:49:41,729 --> 01:49:43,810
So my friends, if you would like to

3032
01:49:43,810 --> 01:49:46,770
know more about Daniel and his insights and

3033
01:49:46,770 --> 01:49:48,390
his teaching and his business,

3034
01:49:48,850 --> 01:49:50,449
there's a couple great places for you to

3035
01:49:50,449 --> 01:49:50,949
go.

3036
01:49:51,329 --> 01:49:53,989
The first place to go is on Instagram

3037
01:49:54,449 --> 01:49:55,890
and that's where I got turned on to

3038
01:49:55,890 --> 01:49:58,524
Daniel. And that's at TAM Integration.

3039
01:49:59,064 --> 01:49:59,725
So that's

3040
01:50:00,824 --> 01:50:01,725
T AM,

3041
01:50:02,104 --> 01:50:02,604
integration.

3042
01:50:03,465 --> 01:50:06,185
And, you know, you can absolutely enjoy his

3043
01:50:06,185 --> 01:50:09,164
social media clips, but there is also his

3044
01:50:09,545 --> 01:50:11,484
his link tree there on the profile

3045
01:50:11,970 --> 01:50:14,069
and you can, you know, find everything,

3046
01:50:14,369 --> 01:50:16,289
all the different ways to connect with Daniel

3047
01:50:16,289 --> 01:50:17,350
all in one place.

3048
01:50:18,210 --> 01:50:20,069
The second place is on

3049
01:50:20,369 --> 01:50:22,149
his website, which is, again,

3050
01:50:22,529 --> 01:50:23,029
tamintegration.com.

3051
01:50:25,685 --> 01:50:27,925
And you can, you know, on on on

3052
01:50:27,925 --> 01:50:30,164
Instagram and on TikTok, you will you will

3053
01:50:30,164 --> 01:50:32,805
get, you know, one flavor of Daniel. But

3054
01:50:32,805 --> 01:50:34,645
on on on the website, you can find

3055
01:50:34,645 --> 01:50:37,525
out more details about his his staff and

3056
01:50:37,525 --> 01:50:39,765
the services they offer and how they can

3057
01:50:39,765 --> 01:50:40,425
be helpful

3058
01:50:41,039 --> 01:50:42,979
to you in your integration

3059
01:50:43,840 --> 01:50:45,539
or training or coaching.

3060
01:50:45,920 --> 01:50:47,920
There's a wide range of good things for

3061
01:50:47,920 --> 01:50:49,539
you to check out there on the website

3062
01:50:49,600 --> 01:50:50,100
tamintegration.com.

3063
01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:52,500
And,

3064
01:50:52,960 --> 01:50:53,619
and finally,

3065
01:50:55,404 --> 01:50:57,164
Daniel wanted me to point out that there

3066
01:50:57,164 --> 01:50:58,385
is, right now,

3067
01:50:59,005 --> 01:50:59,744
a psilocybin

3068
01:51:00,284 --> 01:51:02,784
bundle of educational services available,

3069
01:51:03,965 --> 01:51:06,385
special right now at tamintegration.com/

3070
01:51:09,889 --> 01:51:10,389
psilocybin

3071
01:51:12,050 --> 01:51:12,550
bundle.

3072
01:51:13,170 --> 01:51:15,250
So, thank you, my friends, for joining us

3073
01:51:15,250 --> 01:51:17,349
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3074
01:51:17,889 --> 01:51:19,649
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3075
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3076
01:51:21,729 --> 01:51:22,229
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3078
01:51:25,125 --> 01:51:26,804
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3099
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