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- Sometimes old things
hold a lot of value.

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It is true that I like fancy hotel rooms,

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but honestly, I get the best sleep

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sleeping at my friend's Old Beach Cabin

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that still has quilts and
Afghans that his grandmother

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and probably his great-grandmother,
made the cabin smells

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of old wood sea water

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and late loud nights of
laughing, playing board games

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and euchre and quiet early
morning scaring at the crashing

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surf while the others are still asleep.

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And it is also true.

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I am grateful for the prescriptions

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that help my autoimmune issues,

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but honestly, I have gotten
far more lifelong health from

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Paul Pitchfords book, healing
with Whole Foods Herbalists

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and traditional nutritionists
know a lot that is lost

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to Modern Medicine.

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Today's episode is about slowing down

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and realizing the good to be
found in the natural past, so

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that maybe we can embrace
it in our hectic present.

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If you wanna learn about
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Welcome to episode 111.

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You are listening to Shaping Fire,

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and I am your host, Shang Los.

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My guest today is Jeff Nordal,
better known on Instagram

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as Jade Nectar.

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Jeff has been studying
cannabis natural medicine

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and psychedelics since his teens.

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He has a background as an
early internet entrepreneur,

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but became seriously
ill in his thirties only

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to find out he had
contracted Lyme disease.

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Conventional medicine
held no solutions for him.

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Jeff turned to cannabis medicine
in his home of Santa Cruz

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and started getting results.

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He became an expert on the
acid form of cannabinoids

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and cannabis leaf juicing,

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and started a local medical collective

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to get it in the hands of patients.

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Jeff Nordal now holds 11 patents
for using cannabis as food.

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Though he doesn't like patents

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and got them defensively so
no one could ever tell him

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to stop juicing cannabis
leaves for patients.

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He's presently building
out the Jade Grove Farm

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and Wellness Center deep in
the Santa Cruz mountains.

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He also has grown more land race varieties

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of cannabis than anyone I've
ever met during the first set.

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Today we will discuss the
difference between land, race,

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wild, feral heritage, and
hybrid varieties of cannabis.

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In the second set, we will
learn about the cultivation

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demands of land races, hot
and cold, adapted land races,

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and hear about some of
the more exotic morphology

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and terpene profiles Jeff has come across.

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And during the third set,
we'll explore breeding

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with land races and finish
the episode with a discussion

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of land race preservation.

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Welcome to Shaping Fire, Jeff.

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- Hey, thanks. Thanks

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for having me. It's so great. Excited to

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- Be here.

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Yeah, it's really great to have you here.

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You know, um, uh,

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ever since I came across
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Instagram and started,
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of all the land races in your
garden, um, you know, I I,

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I immediately kind of
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just watching your videos, I'm
like, oh, look at that plant.

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And Oh, look at that plant.

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And it was, it was like, um,
the same reason I love going

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through botanical gardens, right?

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It's just once you fall in
love with plants, you know,

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I started with the cannabis plant,

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but then that love kind
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So to be able to see lots of
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it's, it's really like nerdy nature fun

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for people like us who cultivate Oh yeah.

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But then to see your
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after another and they look
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and, you know, you,
you've got a bit of teach

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and vibes about it, you know, you kind

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of tell us about the plant and everything.

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And so, um, I, so I just
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And then after I went through enough

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of your videos over time, I'm
all like, oh, dude, I think,

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I think, I think this would
make a really great episode.

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So I'm really grateful that, that you, uh,

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you accepted my invitation

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to come on the show. So thanks for that.

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- Well, cool. And, uh,
yeah, if you're enjoying it

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through the video, <laugh>,
just through the inner webs, uh,

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yeah, you should come out in
person sometimes, <laugh>.

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- Well, it doesn't, it doesn't

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- Have a full experience. Well, thank

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- You.

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It doesn't take much of encouragement

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to get me to come to Santa Cruz.

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It's one of my favorite places
in the world, <laugh>. So.

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Alright, man. Well,
let's get right into it.

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You know, um, when people talk
about land races, people use

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that word kind of like a, a bucket, right?

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Because, um, a lot of people
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of land race or, or where that
definition begins or ends.

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And then it, then it
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with other words, like, you
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and, and, you know, varieties.

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And, and so the, the definition
is, is a bit muddied.

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So, so let's, let's kind of
talk around this idea, um, and,

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and tease out some of
the interesting meanings,

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especially somebody like you who,

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who spends their whole time, you know,

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in the land race world, I, I can imagine

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that you would have a
different take on it.

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So, so yeah. So, so why
don't we just go ahead

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and start with like
the word land race and,

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and why don't you get us started there?

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- Yeah, yeah. So, uh, land, race,

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and I had to do my own research as well.

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Um, and, uh, yeah, it, it is interesting

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that even different industries

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and such have different
definitions for what landrace is.

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But it, it turns out that, uh, landrace,

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I believe I should look this up,

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but I think it's a German
word for land, Ross, I think.

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So that means, uh,

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and that translates into
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So, uh, right off the bat,
land raise is domestic.

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These are domesticated, uh, varieties,

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but you can also have land
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chickens, cucumbers, melons.

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Um, so it's nothing specific
to cannabis whatsoever.

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It has to do with, uh, just agriculture

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or animal, um, uh, breeding.

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And, and what, but what it is

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and why land races are unique is

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they're actually tied
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Um, so there's this interplay between, uh,

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so let's say a cannabis
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area, let's say in, I
don't know, Thailand.

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Um, so there you've got a
wet tropical environment,

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uh, and,

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and the people who want
to grow the cannabis,

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there are going to be
now, uh, breeding with,

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with their cannabis, uh,

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taking cues from the
environment over time.

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So let's say they grow
a hundred plants, um,

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but 50%, if they were, let's
say, a, a like an Afghan,

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our arid environment, uh,
genetic that, that came

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to this village in
Thailand, <laugh>, you know,

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hundreds if not thousands
of years ago, probably half

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of 'em would mold because
they're not, uh, adapted for, uh,

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all that moisture and humidity.

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Uh, but the humans would
start picking, you know,

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and taking the seeds from
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fared pretty well.

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Um, so now there's human
selection going on <laugh>

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to find those, uh, seeds

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or those genetics that actually

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thrive in their local environment.

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Um, so once that gets
established as far as something

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that can actually survive

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and make it to the finish
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flowers without melting down, uh,

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now the humans might start
selecting more for effects.

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<laugh> say, I like a really,

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or like, those, that culture

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may actually appreciate a very energizing

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electric psychedelic, uh,
effect in their cannabis.

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So then they start
selecting, uh, for that.

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So now you're starting to infuse

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cultural values, <laugh>

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and cultural utility into
this plant, while also, uh,

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uh, selecting for things
that actually thrive, um, in

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that environment.

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Uh, so that's, that's kind
of the interplay with, uh,

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for land raise is it
happens over time with, uh,

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pressures from the environment
and also, uh, the aesthetic

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and, uh, desire

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and utility of the humans
who are growing them and be,

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and if these are isolated from
all other cannabis plants,

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uh, you can imagine over, you
know, generation, generation,

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50 generations, a hundred generations now,

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you're gonna have a very
unique, uh, cannabis variety

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that's unique just to that
particular, let's say village.

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- Um, you know, you know, Jeff,
I think I'm gonna set you up

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for your next definition

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because, um, you know,

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you've already surprised me the definition

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of land race already is not
what I thought it was going

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to be because, um, I
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that land races were untouched
by humans that we had, like,

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as soon as you said
domesticated, I like my,

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my eyebrow goes up. 'cause
I'm like, domesticated.

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- Oh, no, no, no, this
- Is, yeah.

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- And so this is one of the
biggest, biggest, uh, I,

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I don't know where the
genesis of this. Am I

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- Talking about wild versus land?

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Race?

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- You're talking about wild
or feral? Okay. Uh, yeah.

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So, so land race is a hundred

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percent influenced by humans.

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These are domestic. So,

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so if we wanna start talking
analogies here, start thinking,

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um, uh, as far as dog breeds.

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So, uh, if anyone's
familiar with, let's say,

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Anatolian Shepherds <laugh>

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or kle dogs, these are, uh,
these big, uh, sheep, uh,

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protector guard dogs that are used in,

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in the Anatolian Mountains in Turkey.

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And they require a very large, uh, dog

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to fight off wolves and bears.

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Uh, they need to be very independent.

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Uh, they actually go out with
the sheep without any humans,

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and we'll just watch after the
sheep, but also go and hunt

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and provide food for themselves.

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Um, but the Anatolia Shepherds,

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it's not a specific, uh,
standard breed that, you know,

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<laugh> has to be 16
inches from tail to snout

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or any of these standard
breed dimensions, uh,

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within the Anatolian Shepherd
or Kle, uh, type of dog.

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Uh, you actually get all
different color types,

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all different, uh, variations,
uh, and such, but they're,

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but at the same time, they're similar

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and they perform a utility,
which is guarding sheep

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and being independent

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and also, uh, being able
to handle the environment.

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So they have a really nice double coat

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that keeps them insulated in the winter.

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But, uh, cool. In the summer.

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Um, so, so that's an Anatolian shepherd.

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You also have things like
huskies, uh, Eskimo dogs.

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You'll see there's tons of
variants in those dogs, uh,

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between each one.

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So you've got a lot of genetic diversity,

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but it's also bred by humans

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to pull dog sleds.

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Uh, but there's no, uh, you know,

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like Kennel Club sitting there going

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and measuring the dogs for
specific traits, it's, and,

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and so tho those are actually
considered land raised dogs,

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and you can apply the
same thing to carrots,

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cucumbers, pigs, <laugh>.

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Uh, so

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- I, I find it very interesting
that a now, now in my head,

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um, a, a cultural use

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and, uh, human intention is now part

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of the land race definition for me.

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Oh, absolutely. And that's a,
and that's a surprise for me.

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So, so let's, let's move forward and, and,

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and have you talk a little
bit about the, the feral

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and wild type, which is what
is in my head as land race.

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- Okay. And here's another thing.

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This is, um, and by the
way, I have read websites,

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cannabis websites that just kind

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of become these echo chambers that just

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poach other information.

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Just keep repeating the same
fallacy Yeah. Over and over.

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And for some reason, there
are cannabis websites

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that do define land race as wild,

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untouched by humans. And

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- That is <crosstalk>.

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Well, we all know that most
of the cannabis websites

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are garbage anyway.

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They're just Yeah. People
trying to throw up content

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so they can sell
advertising, you know? Well,

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- So, so right off the bat,
just Landrace is fully domestic.

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Just do a Google search of
the definition of landrace,

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and you'll find out the
first thing it says is it's

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a domestic brief.

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- Also, honestly, even
more important than that,

293
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like you're friends with Rob Clark, right?

294
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So your definitions are bounced
off of Rob Clark, the God

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of cannabis genetics.

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So like, I'm gonna go with
what you're gonna say more than

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what I'm gonna read just about anywhere

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- Else.

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Okay. So here's, here's another thing.

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And I don't want to get in like
pissing matches with people

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<laugh> who say, oh no, it's,
it's wild cannabis and such.

302
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So I just went, luckily,
I'm, I'm very fortunate

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and honored to have, um, uh,
developed a bit of a relation

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with, uh, Rob Clark.

305
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And he came out and visited, he's been out

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to our farm now, uh, three times.

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Um, just no particular agenda.

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We just like hanging
out <laugh>, you know,

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we got 300 land race varieties all growing

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in the same garden, so
it's kind of just sort

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of wonderland, uh, for folks. Yeah,

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- It's, it's a cannabis
amusement park, is what it is. It

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- Really, it's stoner fantasy land.

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Um, and it's just, so anyway, he was

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kind enough to also, uh, send an email

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with his, uh, takes on these,

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these definitions just to clear things up.

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And, uh, and yeah, I'll, if, if Okay, not

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to be super boring, I'll just
read a few sentences from

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from his actual email.

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I hope this, he said it's okay
to share this <laugh>, but

322
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- Yeah, sure.

323
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So long as they're not too
long, we'll go ahead and hit

324
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- It.

325
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Yeah, no, no, but right off the bat,

326
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land races are essentially
locally adapted plant

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and animal varieties that
in that evolve in response

328
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to natural environmental
selective pressures in tandem

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with simple human selection

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for favorable characteristics
without formal breeding.

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So, um, and it says, all domestic plants

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and animals originate from
wild pop populations evolving

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naturally, once humans entered the scene,

334
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the first steps towards
land race evolution began.

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So, so there you go.

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So it's not, it's not a, uh,

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just keeping one line of, of
breeding a particular genetic

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for just, you know, like that
ultimate, um, seed or clone.

339
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Uh, it's not a narrow
breeding project, it's a, it,

340
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it's a big, large, wide
sort of open pollination,

341
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usually type breeding project.

342
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But then selecting, most likely

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what would happen is then you go

344
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and select the seeds from the
plants that finished the best

345
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out of, let's say a whole
patch, like a large field

346
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of cannabis, and then, uh, the ones

347
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that made it to the finish line.

348
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And then when you sample
'em, they're awesome.

349
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And you go, ah, I want

350
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to grow the seeds from this
plant next year <laugh>.

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So that, that way the human is now

352
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very much influencing and
selecting for their traits.

353
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So that, that is the land race.

354
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And then the other part that's
really important is, uh,

355
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is that they're unique to that region

356
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because now they've been isolated in

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that physical geographic
region for so long

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that they're now like totally
unique compared to, uh,

359
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you know, land races in other
parts of the world. Right

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- On.

361
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So, so we've established land race. Good.

362
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Let's move forward a little bit. Yeah.

363
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Now, are, are wild and feral synonymous,

364
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or are those individual ideas too?

365
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- Uh, no. And we're good.

366
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And if, as far as running the
analogy, the dog analogy, uh,

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what, what feral is, is
it's domestic cannabis

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that has escaped the farm,

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and now it's off growing wild,

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but it's not actually the true wild

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original cannabis variety. So, uh, it's

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- Like post farm wild.

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- Yeah. So this would be
like, uh, in Australia,

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if we're doing our dog analogy here,

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this would be the dingo, right?

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So the dingoes were in a domestic dog

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that was introduced
into Australia, I think,

378
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like 4,000 years ago or so.

379
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And then it went totally feral.

380
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Now it's actually part of
the ecosystem in Australia,

381
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but it was never actually a
wild naturally occurring wolf.

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Um, it was, it was actually,

383
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- It was never indigenous.
It was brought in

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- Correct.

385
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And it was a domestic dog
that then went, uh, feral

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and now is part of that environment.

387
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So cannabis is very adaptable and such.

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So if it escapes the farm,

389
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and by the way, in the Midwest
in the US we still have, uh,

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ditch weeded that's escaped
hemp from the hemp farms,

391
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you know, the early 19 hundreds Mm-Hmm.

392
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<affirmative>. And so
that's still growing.

393
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But when, when a plant goes
feral, it's now doesn't have

394
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that human, uh, infusion

395
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or intention going on with it.

396
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So now it's, now it's just the
plant doing its thing with,

397
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its only motivation is
to keep making more seed.

398
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Mm-Hmm, <affirmative>. So most
likely when you have feral

399
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populations, um, the taste, the potency

400
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of THC or whatever cannabinoid
you're going for is the,

401
00:19:17,125 --> 00:19:19,265
you know, the plant doesn't
even care about that <laugh>.

402
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It's just wants to make seed.

403
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So now you're gonna get, you
know, a hardier more adaptive

404
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for survival and reproducing
plant for the cannabis plant.

405
00:19:30,565 --> 00:19:34,705
But, uh, probably the desirable
human traits are gonna start

406
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fading on those, uh, feral
populations. Um, right on.

407
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- I, I identify with feral.

408
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I think I'm falling
further and further out

409
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of normative society as well.

410
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<laugh>.

411
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- Yeah. So, um, yeah, exactly.

412
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So if, if you went full
off the grid and, uh, went

413
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and lived in a hutt or a cave
out in the middle of the night

414
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and started raising a family
and such like that, yeah. You,

415
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- That would be the full embrace of it.

416
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- You'd be then more adapted
for hunting and gathering

417
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and not, uh, sitting,

418
00:20:06,475 --> 00:20:08,725
working computer, social
media computer. Yeah. Yeah.

419
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- Alright, so let's contract
contrast then that to wild,

420
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which would be the, which would
probably be a plant that is,

421
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uh, indigenous to that biosphere,

422
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but has never been
domesticated and farmed.

423
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- Exactly. And the thing
is, is most likely, so,

424
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and again, this is, uh, from
Robert Clark, who also has, uh,

425
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sort of combined all of
the cannabis research.

426
00:20:34,505 --> 00:20:36,725
Uh, he's got a great book, um,

427
00:20:38,345 --> 00:20:40,225
I think it's called Ethno Botany Cannabis.

428
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Ethno Botany. Mm-Hmm.
<affirmative>, uh, that, yeah,

429
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it goes <laugh> actually.

430
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It's very information dense. So

431
00:20:48,315 --> 00:20:49,445
- Yeah, it's a heavy duty read.

432
00:20:49,875 --> 00:20:52,525
- Yeah, yeah. It's not
just a casual, uh, sit

433
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by the fire kind of thing.

434
00:20:54,185 --> 00:20:58,405
Uh, but it is a really,
really, really a great resource

435
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for going and, and what
they've done is just tracked

436
00:21:02,525 --> 00:21:06,925
and basically agree with all
these other, um, uh, botanists

437
00:21:06,985 --> 00:21:09,885
and scientists and
ethnobotanists who've tracked the

438
00:21:10,165 --> 00:21:13,205
original origin of
cannabis seems to come from

439
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what's now geographically in China.

440
00:21:17,535 --> 00:21:21,755
Uh, and that is where the

441
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original wild cannabis
seemed to originate from.

442
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But because cannabis, domestic cannabis

443
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was cultivated and used
for 10,000 plus years in

444
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that same area, it's highly unlikely

445
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that the original wild cannabis didn't get

446
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crossed with domestic
cannabis at some point.

447
00:21:48,075 --> 00:21:52,535
Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. So to
differentiate the true wild

448
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origin cannabis from, uh,
feral domestic cannabis,

449
00:21:58,895 --> 00:22:02,895
uh, it, it's kind of almost
impossible to do that.

450
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And most likely, uh, it went
extinct through hybridization

451
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with other, uh,

452
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domestic varieties over
the past 10,000 years.

453
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Right. On. So most,

454
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most likely the original wild
cannabis no longer exists.

455
00:22:18,325 --> 00:22:21,295
- Alright, so then the cap
off this line of definitions,

456
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why don't we finish off with poly hybrid

457
00:22:23,555 --> 00:22:25,095
and then we'll start
talking about morphology.

458
00:22:25,795 --> 00:22:28,615
- Oh, okay. And then one other
one that's part of this is,

459
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uh, also heirloom or heritage varieties.

460
00:22:32,095 --> 00:22:33,295
Alright, good. Good. So,

461
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and that's more, uh, those would be

462
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specific breeding projects a
lot of times sort of like, uh,

463
00:22:42,895 --> 00:22:44,605
we've got it going on in California,

464
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especially up in Humboldt
and Mendocino and such.

465
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Um, actually was just reading
about some of these, uh,

466
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the Huckleberry Hill Farms <laugh> Mm-Hmm.

467
00:22:54,245 --> 00:22:55,365
<affirmative>, by the way.

468
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I got the sample some of their,
uh, white thorn rose, uh,

469
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which I guess is getting a
lot of attention right now.

470
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And that was, that is
the only like cannabis

471
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from a dispensary, uh,

472
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that I've sampled in the last few years.

473
00:23:11,395 --> 00:23:13,805
That was like, wow, that's
really, that took me back

474
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to like Grateful Dead parking lot

475
00:23:17,075 --> 00:23:20,045
kind Bud <laugh> old school.

476
00:23:20,225 --> 00:23:23,205
Really, really, really beautiful cannabis.

477
00:23:23,465 --> 00:23:28,285
So, um, but I looked into
their story and such,

478
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and I think a lot
somewhat in that lineage.

479
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He calls it, uh, like moms weed.

480
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So that would be like
heirlooms where families

481
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actually have worked and
developed their own, you know,

482
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strain and,

483
00:23:44,345 --> 00:23:47,325
and pass that down through
the generations to like family

484
00:23:47,465 --> 00:23:48,925
and friends and such like that.

485
00:23:48,985 --> 00:23:51,605
So that's like an heirloom
right there, where it's,

486
00:23:51,605 --> 00:23:52,765
where it's being passed through

487
00:23:52,875 --> 00:23:53,925
- That just warms my heart.

488
00:23:53,925 --> 00:23:57,365
Just even thinking about looking
at the, at the genetic line

489
00:23:57,545 --> 00:23:59,245
and, and seeing mom's weeded.

490
00:23:59,555 --> 00:24:01,805
Like that is the heart of cannabis

491
00:24:02,465 --> 00:24:05,725
and like the human relationship
with the plant, right.

492
00:24:06,115 --> 00:24:10,365
When it's like, it's like
pre the names, pre the, the,

493
00:24:10,425 --> 00:24:13,205
you know, categories for sale and,

494
00:24:13,505 --> 00:24:15,645
and pre-competition between people.

495
00:24:15,835 --> 00:24:17,285
It's just, yeah, this was,

496
00:24:17,315 --> 00:24:21,445
this was our family's
particular strain that we loved

497
00:24:21,625 --> 00:24:23,245
and we had at our holidays.

498
00:24:23,475 --> 00:24:25,325
Yeah. I think, I think
that's a beautiful thing.

499
00:24:25,345 --> 00:24:26,925
So, all right, so moms with heirloom.

500
00:24:26,925 --> 00:24:29,645
- Yeah. So that's, that's
kind of more like heirloom

501
00:24:29,645 --> 00:24:31,085
where it's being passed, you know,

502
00:24:31,085 --> 00:24:33,165
just like heirloom furniture and such.

503
00:24:33,165 --> 00:24:36,245
Sure. You're passing it through
generations and then, uh,

504
00:24:36,245 --> 00:24:40,605
but then heritage strains
with follow that same,

505
00:24:41,385 --> 00:24:43,765
uh, pattern or,

506
00:24:43,905 --> 00:24:46,245
or sort of be in that same category only

507
00:24:46,245 --> 00:24:49,405
that might be more
widely, uh, distributed.

508
00:24:49,665 --> 00:24:52,765
So, and a lot of times, uh, heritage or

509
00:24:53,025 --> 00:24:56,325
or heirlooms exist only
in, uh, clone Mm-Hmm.

510
00:24:56,365 --> 00:24:58,125
<affirmative> cuttings form.

511
00:24:58,485 --> 00:25:00,245
I mean, they may back 'em up with seeds,

512
00:25:00,245 --> 00:25:05,085
but a lot of times things, you
know, like train wreck AK 47,

513
00:25:05,865 --> 00:25:08,565
uh, old school, even,

514
00:25:09,675 --> 00:25:12,765
even I guess like old
school, super Silver Haze,

515
00:25:12,965 --> 00:25:14,085
Northern Lights and things like that,

516
00:25:14,085 --> 00:25:18,565
those are more like the heritage,
like original foundation,

517
00:25:19,345 --> 00:25:23,915
uh, strains that, uh, did get,

518
00:25:24,615 --> 00:25:28,155
uh, passed, passed around,
uh, through the community.

519
00:25:28,935 --> 00:25:31,255
Um, so right on.

520
00:25:31,675 --> 00:25:32,735
- So let's, let's go back

521
00:25:32,735 --> 00:25:34,535
to the poly hybrid then,
and then cap off with that.

522
00:25:35,475 --> 00:25:37,735
- So now poly hybrids,

523
00:25:38,475 --> 00:25:41,615
and there's nothing wrong or unethical

524
00:25:41,835 --> 00:25:45,335
or things to be snooty about with <laugh>

525
00:25:45,965 --> 00:25:47,175
with poly hybrids.

526
00:25:47,325 --> 00:25:50,455
It's just now what seems to be gone,

527
00:25:50,555 --> 00:25:53,255
and this isn't just, I mean,
this is my personal opinion,

528
00:25:53,475 --> 00:25:56,855
but a lot of other folks, um, are coming

529
00:25:56,875 --> 00:25:59,775
to the same conclusion is,

530
00:25:59,995 --> 00:26:03,495
and if we're gonna do our
dog breeding analogy again,

531
00:26:04,875 --> 00:26:07,855
uh, most of the modern cannabis

532
00:26:08,355 --> 00:26:13,015
that's now on the scene is like

533
00:26:13,755 --> 00:26:17,555
the Labradoodle times 10 <laugh>.

534
00:26:17,815 --> 00:26:22,555
So now you've got Labradoodles
crossed to Pug Dole,

535
00:26:22,615 --> 00:26:27,555
or puggles back to a pit
bull, back to a Labradoodle,

536
00:26:27,625 --> 00:26:30,315
back to a Cocker spana doodle.

537
00:26:30,895 --> 00:26:33,435
And it's all this p and

538
00:26:33,495 --> 00:26:36,395
and it almost doesn't even have any, um,

539
00:26:37,425 --> 00:26:40,235
necessarily any intention for like, oh,

540
00:26:40,395 --> 00:26:45,005
I wanna create like a really
racy, high creative, uh,

541
00:26:46,295 --> 00:26:48,305
variety that tastes like passion fruit.

542
00:26:48,405 --> 00:26:51,225
You know what I mean? It's more, okay,

543
00:26:51,545 --> 00:26:54,025
gelato was hot last month, uh,

544
00:26:54,025 --> 00:26:55,745
wedding cake is hot right now,

545
00:26:56,365 --> 00:27:00,665
so we're gonna cross those
two and call this gelato cake.

546
00:27:01,415 --> 00:27:04,425
- Yeah. It just, just on its
face, it sounds less reputable

547
00:27:04,425 --> 00:27:05,985
because you're, you're breeding

548
00:27:06,245 --> 00:27:08,265
for marketing hype instead of breeding.

549
00:27:08,325 --> 00:27:11,425
To go back to your dog
example, breeding for the dog,

550
00:27:11,425 --> 00:27:13,265
that taking can take care of the sheep

551
00:27:13,265 --> 00:27:15,025
and feed itself in the wild, right?

552
00:27:15,135 --> 00:27:18,745
Yeah. Like one has authentic
human cultural meaning,

553
00:27:19,045 --> 00:27:21,145
and the other one is for capitalism

554
00:27:22,415 --> 00:27:24,475
- And, and it's just, yeah.

555
00:27:24,505 --> 00:27:27,555
It's like top 40 hits,
like these just very

556
00:27:28,745 --> 00:27:32,435
just riding hype for the next 30, 60 days.

557
00:27:32,695 --> 00:27:36,475
And it, it's almost like if
people were hanging outside, uh,

558
00:27:36,475 --> 00:27:40,195
like a dog show, you know,
like a breeders', I don't know,

559
00:27:40,195 --> 00:27:41,435
these Kennel Club dog shows.

560
00:27:41,435 --> 00:27:44,575
Yeah, yeah. And they're like, oh, your dog

561
00:27:45,665 --> 00:27:47,525
won the best interior class

562
00:27:47,625 --> 00:27:49,565
and yours won the best in this, so

563
00:27:49,665 --> 00:27:51,485
how about we just cross 'em together? And

564
00:27:51,485 --> 00:27:52,765
- So now we have a Doberman Schnauzer

565
00:27:52,785 --> 00:27:53,805
or whatever, <laugh>. Yeah,

566
00:27:53,805 --> 00:27:54,805
- Exactly.

567
00:27:54,805 --> 00:27:56,205
And it's like the hot new dog

568
00:27:56,305 --> 00:27:59,485
that's gonna win the next
year's kennel club, you know?

569
00:27:59,665 --> 00:28:03,165
And then you just do
that exponentially into,

570
00:28:03,345 --> 00:28:04,725
and that's where we're at now.

571
00:28:04,745 --> 00:28:08,335
We have like all these,
whoever won all the cups

572
00:28:08,395 --> 00:28:10,255
or whatever is getting attention.

573
00:28:10,685 --> 00:28:12,735
Then you just cross
all that stuff together

574
00:28:12,835 --> 00:28:16,255
and it's just become this
muddled, muddled, muddled old,

575
00:28:18,035 --> 00:28:19,455
uh, genetics.

576
00:28:19,455 --> 00:28:23,415
And the effects, um, uh, it's, I mean,

577
00:28:23,415 --> 00:28:25,375
it's not just me saying this.

578
00:28:25,485 --> 00:28:26,895
I've heard this confirmed

579
00:28:26,895 --> 00:28:29,655
and, uh, there's a lot of consensus seems

580
00:28:29,655 --> 00:28:32,375
to be going on in the
community at this point that

581
00:28:33,115 --> 00:28:36,745
you can't really tell the
difference between smoking

582
00:28:38,765 --> 00:28:41,075
runts or wedding cake or Oreos

583
00:28:41,175 --> 00:28:44,635
or peanut butter cookie
breath or whatever.

584
00:28:44,785 --> 00:28:49,695
It's like, it all
basically kind of tastes,

585
00:28:49,905 --> 00:28:52,335
looks and all kind of feels the same.

586
00:28:52,555 --> 00:28:53,855
And unfortunately it's not.

587
00:28:54,555 --> 00:28:59,185
Um, I mean, everyone
has different, you know,

588
00:28:59,275 --> 00:29:02,425
objectives and such
with, with their stoner

589
00:29:02,845 --> 00:29:04,985
and what they're going for and such.

590
00:29:05,085 --> 00:29:08,945
But a lot of people, uh,

591
00:29:09,815 --> 00:29:12,625
like that up like a creative, uplifting,

592
00:29:12,655 --> 00:29:17,345
inspiring clear head and
such, and, and feeling active

593
00:29:17,485 --> 00:29:19,025
and kind of amplifying life.

594
00:29:19,795 --> 00:29:23,105
Where now a lot of the, uh,

595
00:29:24,225 --> 00:29:27,425
cannabis varieties right
now seem to be more of, uh,

596
00:29:27,425 --> 00:29:31,145
like an opiate sedative, uh, kind

597
00:29:31,145 --> 00:29:33,345
of lethargic, tired <laugh>.

598
00:29:33,345 --> 00:29:35,705
- Well, it's that, it's that,
it's that mercene dominance

599
00:29:35,705 --> 00:29:38,225
that's all through the
modern commercial strains.

600
00:29:38,225 --> 00:29:39,225
Right.

601
00:29:40,005 --> 00:29:43,195
- And so it's just, uh, yeah.

602
00:29:43,295 --> 00:29:46,035
So, and to each their
own, it's not to be snot.

603
00:29:46,155 --> 00:29:49,275
I mean, there's a time and
place for couch lock and such,

604
00:29:49,415 --> 00:29:53,205
but, uh, but yeah, if,

605
00:29:53,305 --> 00:29:56,245
if every cannabis variety now, uh,

606
00:29:56,245 --> 00:30:00,485
that you find a dispensary
gives you that same couch lock,

607
00:30:00,685 --> 00:30:04,365
I forgot my name, I'm just
gonna sit in my underwear

608
00:30:04,365 --> 00:30:06,485
and play video games and eat pizza.

609
00:30:06,865 --> 00:30:11,525
If that's the, the same effect
you've, you've now, it's kind

610
00:30:11,525 --> 00:30:13,965
of like all, all the vast world

611
00:30:13,985 --> 00:30:15,445
of all these different dog breeds

612
00:30:15,445 --> 00:30:16,805
with all these different personalities

613
00:30:17,105 --> 00:30:21,325
and fun characteristics
have now all been sort

614
00:30:21,325 --> 00:30:22,565
of hybridized

615
00:30:22,665 --> 00:30:26,285
and homogenized into this
just blah <laugh> Mm-Hmm.

616
00:30:26,325 --> 00:30:30,725
<affirmative>, same exact
uniform, kind of boring effect.

617
00:30:31,025 --> 00:30:34,645
- And, you know, you know,
it's, it's not to the fault

618
00:30:35,225 --> 00:30:39,725
of the modern cannabis consumer
or enthusiast either, right.

619
00:30:39,725 --> 00:30:43,845
Because, you know, the
vast majority, like 99%

620
00:30:43,845 --> 00:30:47,285
of what's available is the
modern poly hybrid stuff.

621
00:30:47,905 --> 00:30:51,085
And, you know, I've been, I've
been a cannabis enthusiast

622
00:30:51,225 --> 00:30:55,805
for, geez, 30, 35, 40 years
now, something like that.

623
00:30:56,545 --> 00:30:58,365
And, um, you know, and,

624
00:30:58,505 --> 00:31:03,125
and it wasn't until,
um, I came across, um,

625
00:31:03,585 --> 00:31:06,805
my buddy shared with me some
cuttings of an authentic,

626
00:31:07,625 --> 00:31:09,405
um, Acapulco Gold.

627
00:31:09,785 --> 00:31:12,525
And I'm like, oh, this
is what all those people

628
00:31:12,585 --> 00:31:15,765
who were 10 years older than
me we're talking about, about.

629
00:31:16,045 --> 00:31:17,765
'cause the high was so entirely different.

630
00:31:18,145 --> 00:31:20,885
And then, and then I decided,
I'm like, well, I can't grow

631
00:31:20,885 --> 00:31:22,925
that here where I live outside.

632
00:31:23,025 --> 00:31:25,365
And so I was, I was able to get some, oh,

633
00:31:25,605 --> 00:31:28,325
actually he's from your
area, uh, Eric Miner

634
00:31:28,345 --> 00:31:29,845
of HBK genetics.

635
00:31:30,185 --> 00:31:32,565
Um, he, he used to live in
the, in the Santa Cruz region.

636
00:31:32,865 --> 00:31:37,245
Um, he, he's got this 20 week
black Colombian land race

637
00:31:37,315 --> 00:31:38,725
that I grew indoors.

638
00:31:39,225 --> 00:31:42,325
And like those two plants
are unlike everything else

639
00:31:42,595 --> 00:31:45,285
that I have smoked and, and have grown.

640
00:31:45,345 --> 00:31:46,925
Oh, yeah. Just because, and,

641
00:31:46,925 --> 00:31:49,925
and so, you know, when, when,
when you, when you say that,

642
00:31:49,955 --> 00:31:51,845
okay, the, you know, your, your,

643
00:31:51,845 --> 00:31:53,925
your pound cake tastes
like your cookies taste

644
00:31:53,925 --> 00:31:55,005
tastes like your, this, you're that.

645
00:31:55,005 --> 00:31:56,045
Right. It's

646
00:31:56,045 --> 00:31:59,045
because the modern commercial cannabis,

647
00:31:59,275 --> 00:32:02,605
it's pulling from this
very small pool of Yes.

648
00:32:02,825 --> 00:32:05,165
Of, of commercially viable genetics.

649
00:32:05,395 --> 00:32:08,965
Whereas, you know, if
those same people were able

650
00:32:08,965 --> 00:32:13,365
to get access to, you know,
you know, equatorial plants

651
00:32:13,545 --> 00:32:16,645
and Thai and Columbia
and all these, and then,

652
00:32:16,645 --> 00:32:18,565
and then smoke them
against each other, well,

653
00:32:18,685 --> 00:32:20,765
suddenly their taste palette has expanded.

654
00:32:21,145 --> 00:32:23,325
And now they see they,
that they, that they see

655
00:32:23,325 --> 00:32:25,045
that they've been looking down Right.

656
00:32:25,065 --> 00:32:26,965
At this particular genetic pool,

657
00:32:27,305 --> 00:32:30,405
but not the, not the global genetic pool.

658
00:32:31,065 --> 00:32:32,365
- Uh uh. Exactly.

659
00:32:32,945 --> 00:32:37,925
And, um, so a lot of times
when, when I break out, uh,

660
00:32:38,515 --> 00:32:42,685
yeah, like an Acapulco
or a a, a Thai variety

661
00:32:43,105 --> 00:32:44,845
or, uh, just right now <laugh>

662
00:32:45,585 --> 00:32:48,285
loving some stuff from SSRI Lanka <laugh>.

663
00:32:48,385 --> 00:32:50,685
And by the way, a lot
of these, uh, land races

664
00:32:51,155 --> 00:32:53,805
that were growing, um, are seeds

665
00:32:53,805 --> 00:32:55,805
that were sourced back in the seventies.

666
00:32:55,985 --> 00:32:57,685
Mm. So it's not even,

667
00:32:59,425 --> 00:33:03,045
so you're geographically traveling
and culturally traveling,

668
00:33:03,065 --> 00:33:04,445
but you're also time traveling.

669
00:33:04,865 --> 00:33:06,005
Um, I like that. Yeah.

670
00:33:06,585 --> 00:33:10,765
So there's this myth
that now the weeded, uh,

671
00:33:12,085 --> 00:33:14,345
uh, today is stronger and better,

672
00:33:15,835 --> 00:33:18,055
but once you sample

673
00:33:19,325 --> 00:33:23,695
like a 1970s Pakistan,
or 1970s SSRI lankan

674
00:33:23,955 --> 00:33:25,815
or some of these old, you know, people

675
00:33:25,835 --> 00:33:27,975
who went on the hippie trail or <laugh>

676
00:33:27,975 --> 00:33:30,695
or worked at the Peace Corps
<laugh> in some of these areas

677
00:33:30,835 --> 00:33:34,455
and brought back seeds, uh, you know, from

678
00:33:35,315 --> 00:33:36,695
almost 50 years ago.

679
00:33:36,805 --> 00:33:39,885
Yeah. And then you grow
'em out and smoke 'em,

680
00:33:39,885 --> 00:33:43,025
and you're like, oh my God, that, yeah,

681
00:33:43,045 --> 00:33:45,905
the weeded was incredibly
psychedelic back then.

682
00:33:46,155 --> 00:33:49,385
Incredibly obli. It's like
a whole different category.

683
00:33:49,415 --> 00:33:53,385
It's almost verging on
psilocybin, like, you know,

684
00:33:53,545 --> 00:33:55,185
<laugh> like a low dose of mushrooms.

685
00:33:55,685 --> 00:33:58,065
- Um, and, and a lot of the,
a lot of the modern, you know,

686
00:33:58,505 --> 00:34:00,825
enthusiasts, they haven't
had that opportunity.

687
00:34:00,965 --> 00:34:02,545
And, and so they're just all like, oh,

688
00:34:02,565 --> 00:34:06,945
but the, the percentage THC
on those older strains were

689
00:34:07,005 --> 00:34:08,825
so low, and, and now I've got this thing

690
00:34:08,825 --> 00:34:11,665
that somehow is over 30 and, you know,

691
00:34:11,665 --> 00:34:12,785
and like, it's so much better.

692
00:34:13,085 --> 00:34:15,825
But, but a lot of these
smokers don't understand the

693
00:34:15,825 --> 00:34:17,545
important role that, um,

694
00:34:18,065 --> 00:34:21,305
prevalent terpenes placed
in those older strains,

695
00:34:21,525 --> 00:34:24,505
in these untouched strains
that, you know, they might be 12

696
00:34:24,565 --> 00:34:27,785
or 18%, but their terpene
percentage is so high.

697
00:34:27,885 --> 00:34:30,025
And that's what sculpts the high,

698
00:34:30,525 --> 00:34:32,545
the the experience that you have.

699
00:34:33,165 --> 00:34:36,545
And, and, and that's where the
real difference comes from.

700
00:34:36,595 --> 00:34:38,345
We're not, it's not about the THC,

701
00:34:38,375 --> 00:34:40,025
it's about the whole bouquet.

702
00:34:40,025 --> 00:34:41,345
- Exactly. So that's what's going,

703
00:34:41,415 --> 00:34:43,265
it's like the symphony orchestra.

704
00:34:43,925 --> 00:34:48,195
So yeah, you have the
bassoons and the symphonies,

705
00:34:48,215 --> 00:34:49,515
and you have the cellos

706
00:34:49,535 --> 00:34:52,155
and you french horns going on and things.

707
00:34:52,185 --> 00:34:56,235
They don't play a major role,
but they add so much texture

708
00:34:56,575 --> 00:34:57,595
and counterpoint

709
00:34:58,215 --> 00:35:01,075
and diversity within the sound

710
00:35:01,075 --> 00:35:03,635
that there's this whole
communication going on.

711
00:35:04,055 --> 00:35:08,035
But now what seems to be
going on with, if there's only

712
00:35:08,035 --> 00:35:10,595
so much real estate on the cannabis plant,

713
00:35:11,215 --> 00:35:15,195
so if you're up at 30, 35% THC,

714
00:35:16,015 --> 00:35:17,995
that's kind of like
the symphony orchestra.

715
00:35:17,995 --> 00:35:19,755
There's only so much stage.

716
00:35:19,935 --> 00:35:20,955
So that means you have

717
00:35:20,955 --> 00:35:24,355
to kick out all the other
instruments <laugh> to make way

718
00:35:24,935 --> 00:35:27,995
for now you have 200 violin players

719
00:35:28,935 --> 00:35:31,035
all playing the exact same note <laugh>.

720
00:35:31,145 --> 00:35:32,595
Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah. Yeah.

721
00:35:32,615 --> 00:35:34,275
And it's just playing
the exact same melody,

722
00:35:34,375 --> 00:35:39,205
and it's still, you know,
you, it's still good,

723
00:35:39,205 --> 00:35:40,325
still going, it's still as complex

724
00:35:40,325 --> 00:35:41,325
- Still.

725
00:35:41,325 --> 00:35:43,765
- Yeah. You've just
lost all that complexity

726
00:35:43,765 --> 00:35:45,965
and now it's more of a one dimensional

727
00:35:46,715 --> 00:35:51,285
buzz experience without,
instead of this big symphony

728
00:35:52,445 --> 00:35:55,485
tapestry of textures and counterpoints

729
00:35:55,605 --> 00:35:57,525
and polyrhythms and such like that.

730
00:35:57,745 --> 00:35:59,445
So it's, yeah,

731
00:35:59,465 --> 00:36:03,065
that's kinda one analogy.

732
00:36:03,445 --> 00:36:07,225
And you could even go like
Grateful Dead Jerry Garcia style.

733
00:36:07,425 --> 00:36:08,905
- I mean, let's not,
let's not go that one.

734
00:36:09,025 --> 00:36:10,945
<laugh>, let's not go there.
We only have so much show,

735
00:36:11,125 --> 00:36:12,865
and you and I are both Deadheads <laugh>,

736
00:36:12,965 --> 00:36:14,305
and that will be the rest of the show.

737
00:36:14,725 --> 00:36:18,865
So, so I actually wanna move
forward off of the definitions

738
00:36:19,325 --> 00:36:22,225
and, um, because we we're coming
up on a commercial not too

739
00:36:22,225 --> 00:36:24,065
far from now, but I wanna get some

740
00:36:24,065 --> 00:36:26,305
of these other ideas in
here that, um, you know,

741
00:36:26,935 --> 00:36:28,905
sometimes let's, let's, let's take a,

742
00:36:29,335 --> 00:36:32,225
that black Colombian I
mentioned earlier as an example.

743
00:36:32,295 --> 00:36:37,145
Okay. So, um, you know, um, we meaning

744
00:36:37,985 --> 00:36:39,825
cannabis cultivators that are growing now,

745
00:36:40,445 --> 00:36:45,105
we will get something like
a a a a Colombian or, or,

746
00:36:45,285 --> 00:36:46,745
or a, a Syrian

747
00:36:46,885 --> 00:36:50,585
or, you know, wherever
this particular, um,

748
00:36:51,175 --> 00:36:53,385
land race has come from and,

749
00:36:53,605 --> 00:36:57,265
and people treat it like that is, um,

750
00:36:57,845 --> 00:36:58,905
not just an example,

751
00:36:59,085 --> 00:37:03,705
but that is the type of
plant that everybody in,

752
00:37:04,885 --> 00:37:07,345
you know, um, Columbia

753
00:37:07,925 --> 00:37:12,265
or SSRI Lanka you mentioned
earlier, as if one, that one,

754
00:37:12,525 --> 00:37:17,105
um, plant is the only
plant that is grown there.

755
00:37:17,765 --> 00:37:19,825
And, and, um, and, and,

756
00:37:19,825 --> 00:37:21,825
and I just like you to talk to that idea

757
00:37:21,825 --> 00:37:23,065
because I think that

758
00:37:23,065 --> 00:37:27,505
that is a real common misnomer
in the modern cannabis world,

759
00:37:27,505 --> 00:37:30,665
that just because you've had
one plant from, you know,

760
00:37:30,785 --> 00:37:34,025
a growing region, that you've
had what they have to offer,

761
00:37:34,285 --> 00:37:35,425
you know, and, and I,

762
00:37:35,425 --> 00:37:37,945
and I just really feel like
that that's probably not true.

763
00:37:38,535 --> 00:37:41,745
- Yeah, that's, so that's
not reality <laugh>,

764
00:37:42,485 --> 00:37:46,375
and all you have to do is go to Mendocino

765
00:37:46,375 --> 00:37:50,215
or go to Big Sur, even go
back in, in time, you know,

766
00:37:50,215 --> 00:37:52,255
50 years ago when things were, you know,

767
00:37:52,255 --> 00:37:55,335
more on the down low, but
was every single family

768
00:37:55,435 --> 00:37:57,615
and every single grower
growing the exact same

769
00:37:57,655 --> 00:37:59,535
genetics and answers?

770
00:38:00,475 --> 00:38:04,895
Now it's, and it's not in
Srilanka or Afghanistan.

771
00:38:04,895 --> 00:38:08,625
There's not like a cannabis club

772
00:38:08,715 --> 00:38:11,265
where they all vote on what genetics,

773
00:38:11,265 --> 00:38:12,465
every single cannabis farms

774
00:38:12,465 --> 00:38:13,785
- Gonna grow, which one is
going to be be the official

775
00:38:13,785 --> 00:38:15,265
genetic of their growing region.

776
00:38:15,265 --> 00:38:16,425
- Yeah, yeah. No, they're all,

777
00:38:16,425 --> 00:38:17,905
they're all doing their own thing,

778
00:38:18,125 --> 00:38:22,545
but they're also gonna, well,
one, they probably, you know,

779
00:38:22,545 --> 00:38:26,625
are sourcing their genetics
from similar gene pools just

780
00:38:26,625 --> 00:38:29,105
because the world hasn't been globalized

781
00:38:29,285 --> 00:38:30,825
for all that long, you know?

782
00:38:30,845 --> 00:38:34,095
Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>,
um, so limited, you know,

783
00:38:34,125 --> 00:38:35,885
genetic resources, they're,

784
00:38:35,885 --> 00:38:38,885
they're gonna pull from things
they have in the area, uh,

785
00:38:38,885 --> 00:38:42,325
but then they're also, you
know, gonna also, uh, select

786
00:38:42,465 --> 00:38:45,525
for things that do well
in that same region.

787
00:38:45,705 --> 00:38:47,445
So you're gonna have similarities,

788
00:38:48,025 --> 00:38:51,545
but are they all gonna be exact
carbon copies of each other?

789
00:38:52,005 --> 00:38:55,345
Um, and the answer is absolutely not. It

790
00:38:55,345 --> 00:38:57,785
- Kind of reminds me of your
Huckleberry Hill example from

791
00:38:57,785 --> 00:39:00,785
earlier where back in the
genetic line is mom's favorite.

792
00:39:01,335 --> 00:39:03,425
Like, you know, in SSRI Lanka, it's not,

793
00:39:03,425 --> 00:39:04,665
they're just producing one kind.

794
00:39:04,845 --> 00:39:07,425
All these different families
have got their mom's favorite.

795
00:39:07,965 --> 00:39:10,425
And so, you know, they, they've
got just as much diversity

796
00:39:10,805 --> 00:39:13,145
as, as we're experiencing now.

797
00:39:13,645 --> 00:39:16,705
Um, it's just that, um, seeds are so hard

798
00:39:16,725 --> 00:39:19,665
to get from these areas that, you know,

799
00:39:19,885 --> 00:39:22,385
one variety makes its way out and then,

800
00:39:22,485 --> 00:39:24,305
and then unfortunately becomes the

801
00:39:24,305 --> 00:39:25,505
example for the whole region.

802
00:39:25,905 --> 00:39:27,825
'cause that's the only thing
we're able to get. Yeah.

803
00:39:27,885 --> 00:39:31,625
- But they, they will be similar though.

804
00:39:32,045 --> 00:39:33,745
Um, I mean, what's happening now though,

805
00:39:33,745 --> 00:39:36,145
in Thailand is all the Amsterdam

806
00:39:36,145 --> 00:39:38,825
and college genetics are coming in, um,

807
00:39:39,085 --> 00:39:40,625
- And polluting their land races.

808
00:39:40,885 --> 00:39:42,945
- Uh, that's, that's
the really scary thing.

809
00:39:42,945 --> 00:39:44,705
That's a whole nother topic of discussion.

810
00:39:44,705 --> 00:39:46,945
But we may be experiencing a global

811
00:39:48,295 --> 00:39:51,665
land race extinction due
to, uh, hybridization.

812
00:39:51,855 --> 00:39:54,905
It's basically like if,
you know, if you let

813
00:39:55,705 --> 00:39:58,945
labradoodles out to
roam free, and they went

814
00:39:59,165 --> 00:40:02,865
and basically copulate with
every dog breed on the planet

815
00:40:03,925 --> 00:40:06,145
now, everything's been doodled, <laugh>

816
00:40:06,465 --> 00:40:06,945
- <laugh>. And

817
00:40:06,945 --> 00:40:08,825
- By the way, I don't have
anything against Doodle.

818
00:40:08,905 --> 00:40:10,465
I actually have a schnoodle, uh,

819
00:40:10,535 --> 00:40:12,985
schnauzer poodle, uh, mixed dog.

820
00:40:12,985 --> 00:40:14,025
So they're f fantastic.

821
00:40:14,025 --> 00:40:15,385
- But it makes, but it makes
your point though, <laugh>,

822
00:40:15,615 --> 00:40:18,345
- What I'm saying is, do
we want to live in a world

823
00:40:18,355 --> 00:40:20,945
where every dog breed has been dood ized?

824
00:40:21,215 --> 00:40:22,465
Yeah. And, uh,

825
00:40:22,565 --> 00:40:25,545
and every can cannabis has been cookie

826
00:40:25,695 --> 00:40:27,385
cake gelato, you know?

827
00:40:27,535 --> 00:40:28,705
Yeah. Um, right on.

828
00:40:28,975 --> 00:40:31,025
- Well, hey, uh, I don't think,
I, I don't think I'm going

829
00:40:31,025 --> 00:40:35,345
to top, uh, uh, don't doodle
your cannabis, um, <laugh>, uh,

830
00:40:35,625 --> 00:40:38,505
anywhere anymore in this,
uh, in, in this first set.

831
00:40:38,605 --> 00:40:40,385
So let's, uh, let's, let's end there

832
00:40:40,445 --> 00:40:41,945
and go for commercial break

833
00:40:41,965 --> 00:40:44,585
and we come back, we're gonna
start talking about, uh, uh,

834
00:40:44,865 --> 00:40:46,505
terpene profiles in land races.

835
00:40:46,645 --> 00:40:47,905
So, um, let's go ahead,

836
00:40:47,915 --> 00:40:49,065
let's go ahead and take it. Yeah, yeah,

837
00:40:49,065 --> 00:40:50,065
- Yeah.

838
00:40:50,065 --> 00:40:50,945
Alright. Can I say one other tiny,

839
00:40:51,055 --> 00:40:52,825
tiny little thing about the land race?

840
00:40:53,015 --> 00:40:56,385
Yeah, yeah, go ahead. And
that whole, uh, wild, uh, sort

841
00:40:56,385 --> 00:40:58,145
of feral definition and such,

842
00:40:58,205 --> 00:41:00,505
and this is a really
important thing for, uh, sort

843
00:41:00,505 --> 00:41:04,105
of ethics morals of, of land races.

844
00:41:04,245 --> 00:41:08,775
So the definition that
some folks have worked on

845
00:41:09,595 --> 00:41:13,735
the wrong definition, that,
uh, land races are just kind

846
00:41:13,735 --> 00:41:14,735
of wild and feral

847
00:41:14,735 --> 00:41:19,685
and growing on the side
of the road also sets up

848
00:41:20,205 --> 00:41:22,845
a situation of appropriation

849
00:41:23,705 --> 00:41:27,215
and complete erasing of the farmer

850
00:41:28,115 --> 00:41:30,535
who developed the land raise variety.

851
00:41:30,955 --> 00:41:32,335
You get what I'm saying? Yeah, I do.

852
00:41:32,515 --> 00:41:35,405
So here, maybe in the us, if you all

853
00:41:35,405 --> 00:41:38,405
of a sudden have some really
cool, uh, Thai variety,

854
00:41:40,335 --> 00:41:43,635
you're, if you're totally discounting

855
00:41:43,745 --> 00:41:47,675
that this is probably hundreds
of years of genetic work

856
00:41:48,095 --> 00:41:52,315
by actual humans in Thailand
<laugh> in, in whatever region

857
00:41:52,615 --> 00:41:56,675
or village who created this
like totally sublime variety.

858
00:41:57,415 --> 00:41:59,915
If, if you think that it
was just growing on the side

859
00:41:59,915 --> 00:42:03,435
of the road wild, all of a
sudden there's no credit,

860
00:42:03,465 --> 00:42:08,355
there's no honor, there's no
respect for, uh, those farmers,

861
00:42:09,095 --> 00:42:11,835
and then you're more aptt
to just name it something,

862
00:42:11,895 --> 00:42:13,475
or even call it your weeded,

863
00:42:14,215 --> 00:42:19,075
and you've just erased, uh,
the, the human, uh, work

864
00:42:19,105 --> 00:42:22,755
that actually got that strain
to that sublime, uh, state.

865
00:42:22,815 --> 00:42:24,715
So it's just really
important for land race

866
00:42:24,715 --> 00:42:28,395
to also fully credit these amazing

867
00:42:29,315 --> 00:42:32,915
cannabis intuitive breeders who, uh,

868
00:42:33,265 --> 00:42:37,755
develop these like absolutely
sublime, uh, varieties.

869
00:42:37,895 --> 00:42:41,555
Uh, so a lot of human work went
in to get 'em to this point.

870
00:42:42,135 --> 00:42:43,155
Um, and just

871
00:42:43,315 --> 00:42:44,795
'cause you took a vacation

872
00:42:44,795 --> 00:42:47,195
to Thailand brought back
some seeds, doesn't mean

873
00:42:48,475 --> 00:42:49,735
you created that strain

874
00:42:50,295 --> 00:42:51,295
- <laugh>.

875
00:42:51,295 --> 00:42:51,575
Man, that's a really good point.

876
00:42:51,715 --> 00:42:52,895
And I'm glad that, I'm glad

877
00:42:52,895 --> 00:42:54,255
that you held me up to put that in there.

878
00:42:54,355 --> 00:42:56,055
So, alright. Thank you. Alright. Yeah.

879
00:42:56,315 --> 00:42:57,815
So now let's go to commercial.

880
00:42:58,195 --> 00:43:00,255
Uh, we're gonna take that
short break and be right back.

881
00:43:00,275 --> 00:43:01,815
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Welcome back. You are
listening to Shaping Fire.

1016
00:49:16,245 --> 00:49:17,765
I am your host Shang Los,

1017
00:49:17,865 --> 00:49:21,245
and my guest today is LAN
race specialist Jeff Nortel.

1018
00:49:21,665 --> 00:49:23,285
So in the first set we talked a lot about

1019
00:49:23,355 --> 00:49:25,365
what exactly land races are

1020
00:49:25,505 --> 00:49:29,565
and how to understand them
from different varieties

1021
00:49:29,565 --> 00:49:33,685
of plants that may have come
into this modern world in

1022
00:49:33,685 --> 00:49:36,365
different ways so that we
can really be precise in

1023
00:49:36,365 --> 00:49:38,845
what we're talking about
since we are talking

1024
00:49:39,005 --> 00:49:40,245
about a scientific term.

1025
00:49:40,385 --> 00:49:42,245
So that was really great
teasing those terms

1026
00:49:42,375 --> 00:49:43,405
apart generally.

1027
00:49:44,025 --> 00:49:46,645
Um, but now here in the second
set I wanna talk about, um,

1028
00:49:46,845 --> 00:49:50,045
a little bit about the
characteristics of these plants and

1029
00:49:50,185 --> 00:49:53,245
and, and why we generally
all tend to respect them

1030
00:49:53,665 --> 00:49:57,405
and why Jeff has, uh, you
know, uh, focus so much

1031
00:49:57,405 --> 00:49:58,445
of his life on it.

1032
00:49:58,585 --> 00:50:00,045
So, so Jeff, you know,

1033
00:50:00,385 --> 00:50:03,605
in your videos on your
YouTube channel, you are, uh,

1034
00:50:03,605 --> 00:50:07,805
constantly talking about just
being like, like bowled over

1035
00:50:08,305 --> 00:50:11,965
by the complexities of,
um, the terpene profiles.

1036
00:50:11,985 --> 00:50:15,045
And, and during the first set
we also talked a little trash

1037
00:50:15,045 --> 00:50:17,445
about like modern poly hybrids and,

1038
00:50:17,585 --> 00:50:19,005
and about how so many

1039
00:50:19,005 --> 00:50:21,685
of them are massively mirroring dominant.

1040
00:50:22,225 --> 00:50:26,365
Um, but, but I wanna tease out
a little bit more, um, about,

1041
00:50:26,665 --> 00:50:29,765
uh, about the experiences that
you've had in your garden,

1042
00:50:30,505 --> 00:50:34,765
um, with unique blends
of terpene profiles.

1043
00:50:34,825 --> 00:50:36,245
And, and like, you know, you don't have,

1044
00:50:36,245 --> 00:50:38,125
clearly you're not
gonna talk about all 300

1045
00:50:38,155 --> 00:50:40,045
that you're growing, but if it,

1046
00:50:40,445 --> 00:50:44,565
I wanna provide the listeners
with a snapshot of some

1047
00:50:44,565 --> 00:50:46,125
of the experiences you've had.

1048
00:50:46,265 --> 00:50:49,085
So, so maybe just like pick like three

1049
00:50:49,555 --> 00:50:52,765
that were especially unique to you and,

1050
00:50:52,945 --> 00:50:56,445
and describe them to us so that
we can smell it through you.

1051
00:50:57,315 --> 00:51:00,205
- Alright, as far as top three

1052
00:51:01,045 --> 00:51:04,125
standout terpene profiles
from this year's garden,

1053
00:51:04,345 --> 00:51:07,005
and again, <laugh> every
year we're doing different

1054
00:51:07,005 --> 00:51:08,965
varieties from around the world.

1055
00:51:09,385 --> 00:51:13,125
Uh, but the ones that are
super fresh in my mind are, uh,

1056
00:51:14,905 --> 00:51:19,485
the Cambodian two varieties
of Cambodian had the most

1057
00:51:20,105 --> 00:51:24,965
insane passion fruit,
like just that tangy,

1058
00:51:26,015 --> 00:51:30,165
zippy, sour, super tropical, loud, loud,

1059
00:51:30,275 --> 00:51:31,325
loud passion fruit.

1060
00:51:31,325 --> 00:51:33,685
Mm-hmm, <affirmative>.
And I actually, uh, went

1061
00:51:33,685 --> 00:51:37,805
and got an actual passion,
fruit fruit, sniffed that,

1062
00:51:37,865 --> 00:51:41,485
and then sniffed one of
these, uh, mondo curri

1063
00:51:41,625 --> 00:51:44,965
and then also Tao another
region, uh, in Cambodia.

1064
00:51:45,835 --> 00:51:49,085
They smelled exactly the
same, the actual passion fruit

1065
00:51:49,345 --> 00:51:52,725
and, uh, the cannabis, uh,
at least those varieties

1066
00:51:52,725 --> 00:51:54,045
of Cambodian <laugh>.

1067
00:51:54,185 --> 00:51:55,925
So that was pretty mind blowing.

1068
00:51:56,625 --> 00:51:59,925
Um, another terpene profile that, uh,

1069
00:52:01,115 --> 00:52:05,455
you rarely come across in
sort of the, uh, modern,

1070
00:52:05,955 --> 00:52:09,615
uh, poly hybrid genetics, but,
uh, which I'm a huge fan of,

1071
00:52:09,715 --> 00:52:14,695
or the really stinky skunky rotten meat,

1072
00:52:15,265 --> 00:52:19,375
burnt rubber, rotten
onions, just super funk.

1073
00:52:19,995 --> 00:52:23,975
Um, and a lot of times you'll
find those in the Afghan,

1074
00:52:24,515 --> 00:52:25,975
uh, Pakistani.

1075
00:52:26,275 --> 00:52:29,575
Uh, we actually grew some beck um,

1076
00:52:31,245 --> 00:52:32,415
varieties this year.

1077
00:52:32,875 --> 00:52:36,135
Um, and, and one of
those smelled like rotten

1078
00:52:37,405 --> 00:52:38,775
decomposing onions

1079
00:52:38,995 --> 00:52:43,055
and garlic <laugh> really, really funky.

1080
00:52:43,085 --> 00:52:44,855
It's almost, uh, disgusting.

1081
00:52:45,155 --> 00:52:48,615
But at the same time,
intoxicating, kind of like the, uh,

1082
00:52:48,685 --> 00:52:50,935
truffle black truffle
effect <laugh> Mm-hmm.

1083
00:52:50,975 --> 00:52:54,775
<affirmative> where it's
gross, but intoxicating. Well,

1084
00:52:54,775 --> 00:52:57,695
- I I, I love those
cheeses that smell and,

1085
00:52:57,755 --> 00:52:59,095
and smell like baby diaper.

1086
00:52:59,235 --> 00:53:02,175
You know, like, like if if it,
if that smell was coming out

1087
00:53:02,175 --> 00:53:03,335
of a human, I'd be like, eh,

1088
00:53:03,595 --> 00:53:06,815
but suddenly now on a, on a
plate with crackers, I'm like,

1089
00:53:06,815 --> 00:53:08,295
yeah, this is awesome <laugh>.

1090
00:53:08,765 --> 00:53:12,175
- Yeah. Yeah. Oh, and by
the way, <laugh> reminds me,

1091
00:53:12,175 --> 00:53:15,775
there's a really weird
terpene profile, um,

1092
00:53:16,965 --> 00:53:21,655
that actually smells like,
uh, like bounce dryer sheets.

1093
00:53:21,755 --> 00:53:24,055
Oh wow. Like that really gnarly fabric.

1094
00:53:24,195 --> 00:53:27,485
And, and by the way, this is
what's strange is I'm highly

1095
00:53:27,885 --> 00:53:32,645
allergic to a lot of synthetic
fragrances, especially those,

1096
00:53:32,785 --> 00:53:34,565
uh, laundry detergent smells.

1097
00:53:34,585 --> 00:53:36,765
So I just absolutely am repulsed

1098
00:53:36,965 --> 00:53:38,085
whenever I smell that smell.

1099
00:53:38,665 --> 00:53:42,245
But then, uh, and I always said,
there is no smell in nature

1100
00:53:42,315 --> 00:53:44,285
that smells like a bounced dryer sheet,

1101
00:53:44,585 --> 00:53:48,645
but I've actually grown some
cannabis now that smells

1102
00:53:49,795 --> 00:53:52,725
like bounced dryer sheets
and it's kind of weird.

1103
00:53:52,785 --> 00:53:57,405
So who knows, it may actually
help me, uh, <laugh> get, get

1104
00:53:57,405 --> 00:54:00,005
through my dryer sheet aversion by, uh,

1105
00:54:00,605 --> 00:54:03,205
smelling it in cannabis form. It

1106
00:54:03,205 --> 00:54:05,725
- Is really strange when you
smell something in cannabis

1107
00:54:05,875 --> 00:54:07,965
that you also exist in the real world.

1108
00:54:08,345 --> 00:54:10,565
Uh, this example isn't as great as yours,

1109
00:54:10,625 --> 00:54:13,925
but you know, there, uh,
the blueberry muffin, uh,

1110
00:54:14,395 --> 00:54:18,085
variety from Humboldt Seed
Company, it's really startling

1111
00:54:18,185 --> 00:54:22,485
how much it smells like the
blueberry jiffy cake mix,

1112
00:54:23,095 --> 00:54:24,965
which is, which doesn't, you know, it kind

1113
00:54:24,965 --> 00:54:28,525
of barely smells like blueberries
that are natural, right?

1114
00:54:28,865 --> 00:54:30,165
It smells like itself.

1115
00:54:30,265 --> 00:54:33,405
But it was so strange
to smell that variety

1116
00:54:34,065 --> 00:54:35,325
and be all like, oh my God.

1117
00:54:35,435 --> 00:54:37,085
Like, okay, this smells blueberry,

1118
00:54:37,105 --> 00:54:40,645
but it smells like the muffin box

1119
00:54:41,105 --> 00:54:44,645
and those muffins
themselves, which, you know,

1120
00:54:44,645 --> 00:54:47,125
have got a little more of
a, a breakfast cereal vibe

1121
00:54:47,125 --> 00:54:49,365
to them than like a natural organic berry.

1122
00:54:49,425 --> 00:54:52,245
And it's, it's a fantastic,
uh, you know, variety.

1123
00:54:52,355 --> 00:54:54,005
I've, I've grown it a
long time and I love it.

1124
00:54:54,425 --> 00:54:59,245
And yet it smells like a cheap
boxed muffin mix <laugh>.

1125
00:54:59,245 --> 00:55:00,765
And it's just a bizarre thing. Yeah.

1126
00:55:01,385 --> 00:55:03,965
- It, it is so wild.

1127
00:55:04,505 --> 00:55:07,485
The diversity of aromas

1128
00:55:07,825 --> 00:55:11,285
and terpenes that this cannabis plant, uh,

1129
00:55:12,465 --> 00:55:14,085
can carry and provide

1130
00:55:14,225 --> 00:55:17,365
and that can just sort of
emerge from these plant.

1131
00:55:17,385 --> 00:55:19,005
And then when you start crossing plants

1132
00:55:19,145 --> 00:55:22,085
to whole new combinations of all, it's,

1133
00:55:22,875 --> 00:55:23,965
it's pretty mind blowing.

1134
00:55:24,605 --> 00:55:28,325
I, I'm not aware of other plants
that have such a diversity

1135
00:55:28,665 --> 00:55:30,165
of smells.

1136
00:55:30,865 --> 00:55:33,005
- So I'm gonna ask you one
more terpene related question.

1137
00:55:33,125 --> 00:55:34,405
I don't wanna spend too much time here.

1138
00:55:34,685 --> 00:55:36,565
'cause like, you know, not everybody can

1139
00:55:36,565 --> 00:55:37,605
smell it together, right?

1140
00:55:37,665 --> 00:55:40,605
So it's, uh, talking
about terpenes is, is kind

1141
00:55:40,605 --> 00:55:42,365
of challenging sometimes, but <laugh> the,

1142
00:55:42,465 --> 00:55:44,885
the last question I want to
ask you about this is, um,

1143
00:55:44,915 --> 00:55:47,965
tell us, tell us about one plant
that you smelled where you,

1144
00:55:48,075 --> 00:55:51,405
this, the, the, the, the
terpene profile of it was,

1145
00:55:51,625 --> 00:55:55,005
was a smell that you
had never smelled before

1146
00:55:55,665 --> 00:55:57,005
and it blew you away

1147
00:55:57,005 --> 00:55:59,645
because you, your brain
wasn't sure what to do to it.

1148
00:55:59,815 --> 00:56:01,965
It'll probably be very hard
for you to describe it to me

1149
00:56:01,965 --> 00:56:03,645
because of that reason too. Uh,

1150
00:56:03,715 --> 00:56:04,715
- Yeah.

1151
00:56:04,715 --> 00:56:05,245
It's almost like, uh,

1152
00:56:05,745 --> 00:56:07,885
seeing a color you've never seen before.

1153
00:56:07,995 --> 00:56:09,765
Yeah. Just like that.
And there's just, yeah.

1154
00:56:09,765 --> 00:56:13,645
Your, your brain just
can't even process that.

1155
00:56:13,705 --> 00:56:17,685
But yeah, there's a number
of, uh, varieties of cannabis

1156
00:56:17,795 --> 00:56:22,005
that, uh, come across in these
land race botanical gardens

1157
00:56:22,005 --> 00:56:26,405
we do every year that have
just <laugh> it, like,

1158
00:56:26,435 --> 00:56:27,685
scrambles your brain

1159
00:56:28,955 --> 00:56:31,965
because you've never smelled

1160
00:56:32,205 --> 00:56:34,195
anything like that.

1161
00:56:34,615 --> 00:56:37,435
And so you, you can't even
find words to describe it

1162
00:56:37,435 --> 00:56:39,555
because it's such a bizarre smell.

1163
00:56:39,975 --> 00:56:42,155
Um, so yeah, that happens quite a bit.

1164
00:56:42,335 --> 00:56:44,275
And then you end up just
sitting there sniffing it

1165
00:56:44,275 --> 00:56:46,555
because it's, it's intoxicating

1166
00:56:47,065 --> 00:56:48,715
just to have that experience. Yeah.

1167
00:56:48,735 --> 00:56:52,355
- So it's so engaging to have
that first new experience.

1168
00:56:52,375 --> 00:56:53,475
We humans go for those

1169
00:56:54,935 --> 00:56:55,955
- Ab Absolutely.

1170
00:56:56,135 --> 00:56:59,395
Oh, oh. Did wanna say the other
really interesting terpene

1171
00:56:59,395 --> 00:57:01,755
profile that you find in land races, uh,

1172
00:57:01,755 --> 00:57:02,995
especially the African

1173
00:57:03,495 --> 00:57:06,195
and Southeast Asian equatorial,

1174
00:57:06,495 --> 00:57:10,755
is there's this really
interesting, um, carrot,

1175
00:57:11,455 --> 00:57:14,645
uh, parsnip, uh, turp.

1176
00:57:14,825 --> 00:57:18,445
So it's, and the reason how, uh,

1177
00:57:18,685 --> 00:57:21,365
actually connected those dots
was my girlfriend was actually

1178
00:57:21,395 --> 00:57:22,565
peeling parsnips

1179
00:57:23,625 --> 00:57:26,565
and the smell that came from
those parsnips, I was like, oh,

1180
00:57:26,665 --> 00:57:28,565
that's that smell <laugh> <laugh>.

1181
00:57:28,705 --> 00:57:32,365
So it's that, uh, sort
of antiseptic astringent,

1182
00:57:32,365 --> 00:57:35,965
really earthy, sweet, fresh, fresh,

1183
00:57:35,975 --> 00:57:37,925
fresh carrot parsnips smell.

1184
00:57:38,145 --> 00:57:41,845
Um, but you'll actually see
those in a lot of African, uh,

1185
00:57:41,915 --> 00:57:45,805
varieties as well as,
uh, uh, Thai Chang Rai

1186
00:57:45,835 --> 00:57:48,565
that we grew this year
actually had that TURP profile.

1187
00:57:48,945 --> 00:57:51,805
Uh, and that's, that's
always a favorite too. So

1188
00:57:51,805 --> 00:57:53,725
- While we're kind of going
through your picture album,

1189
00:57:53,825 --> 00:57:56,925
if you will, of, of, of
plants that you love, um,

1190
00:57:57,505 --> 00:58:00,445
we just did terpenes and I
wanna do a very similar thing,

1191
00:58:00,465 --> 00:58:02,085
but with morphology now, right.

1192
00:58:02,085 --> 00:58:03,885
So how the plant looks, it's structure

1193
00:58:04,275 --> 00:58:07,565
because, um, you know,
I love, uh, when you go

1194
00:58:07,565 --> 00:58:08,605
through these different plants

1195
00:58:08,625 --> 00:58:10,445
and I'm like, wow, these
are all cannabis plants,

1196
00:58:10,445 --> 00:58:13,445
but they all have got so much
different visual personality.

1197
00:58:14,225 --> 00:58:18,165
For example, you recently
post a video about one from,

1198
00:58:18,305 --> 00:58:19,525
um, the island of St.

1199
00:58:19,525 --> 00:58:21,805
Vincent. And, and I saw it

1200
00:58:21,805 --> 00:58:23,165
and I'm like, now this is a plant

1201
00:58:23,165 --> 00:58:25,485
that would work really well where I live

1202
00:58:25,485 --> 00:58:28,285
because it doesn't grow big and bushy.

1203
00:58:28,305 --> 00:58:31,645
It kind of grows, like, it, it grows kind

1204
00:58:31,645 --> 00:58:32,885
of like straight up and down,

1205
00:58:32,885 --> 00:58:34,925
like it's a pencil skirt or something.

1206
00:58:35,195 --> 00:58:38,205
Yeah. And it's very respectful
of its neighbors, right.

1207
00:58:38,225 --> 00:58:39,885
You can walk past it without it grabbing

1208
00:58:39,905 --> 00:58:41,045
you like most plants do.

1209
00:58:41,585 --> 00:58:43,805
So, so I guess kind of
like you did with terpenes,

1210
00:58:43,895 --> 00:58:46,885
maybe tell us like three of
your favorite morphologies.

1211
00:58:46,885 --> 00:58:48,565
Like tell us the story
of like three plants

1212
00:58:48,565 --> 00:58:49,885
that look atypical.

1213
00:58:51,385 --> 00:58:53,085
- Um, this year,

1214
00:58:53,105 --> 00:58:55,205
and again, I'm just going
off this year <laugh>.

1215
00:58:55,205 --> 00:58:58,605
Sure. Every year there's
mind blowing, uh, structures

1216
00:58:58,865 --> 00:59:02,965
and, uh, but this year
a huge surprise was, uh,

1217
00:59:03,185 --> 00:59:05,485
Brazil amazonia.

1218
00:59:06,305 --> 00:59:08,405
So I was, you know, thinking

1219
00:59:08,405 --> 00:59:11,765
that was gonna be just a
long lanky wispy tropical

1220
00:59:12,335 --> 00:59:13,805
equatorial sativa type.

1221
00:59:14,435 --> 00:59:19,325
This actually turned
out to be super short,

1222
00:59:20,575 --> 00:59:23,885
super squat bushy with big,

1223
00:59:24,105 --> 00:59:26,205
chunky, thick buds.

1224
00:59:26,305 --> 00:59:30,765
It, it grew and looked almost
like an, uh, a typical indica,

1225
00:59:31,125 --> 00:59:35,085
actually an even bushier
stockier squattier, uh, indica.

1226
00:59:35,945 --> 00:59:40,525
Uh, but it has this wild, um, pina colada

1227
00:59:41,765 --> 00:59:43,965
terp profile going this tropical fruit.

1228
00:59:44,385 --> 00:59:46,765
And then, uh, when you
finally get around to, uh,

1229
00:59:47,525 --> 00:59:51,525
sampling it and smoking it,
it is super high electric,

1230
00:59:51,785 --> 00:59:55,645
almost like Brazil, uh,
carnival kind of vibe.

1231
00:59:56,365 --> 01:00:00,205
<laugh> like bright colors
and feathers and electric

1232
01:00:00,385 --> 01:00:03,565
and drum beats, all in

1233
01:00:04,445 --> 01:00:07,365
a very squat bushy,
actually early finishing.

1234
01:00:07,495 --> 01:00:10,685
These were all done, uh, by
the end of September as well.

1235
01:00:11,545 --> 01:00:15,365
Uh, but super electric sativa stone.

1236
01:00:16,365 --> 01:00:19,345
So, uh, that was, that was a big surprise.

1237
01:00:20,045 --> 01:00:22,985
Um, and also like super bulletproof as far

1238
01:00:22,985 --> 01:00:25,265
as pest resistance and mold.

1239
01:00:25,655 --> 01:00:27,705
- It's got all that land
race vigorous still going.

1240
01:00:28,325 --> 01:00:31,225
- Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And that's, that's one

1241
01:00:31,225 --> 01:00:34,945
of the beautiful things too
about these land races is

1242
01:00:34,945 --> 01:00:37,185
they're just so, they're so much hardier

1243
01:00:37,485 --> 01:00:40,625
and designed to not be
high maintenance plants.

1244
01:00:40,645 --> 01:00:43,905
Mm-Hmm. Um, so, so
anyway, they have, yeah,

1245
01:00:43,965 --> 01:00:46,945
we don't even deal for
the most part with botes,

1246
01:00:47,015 --> 01:00:50,185
haven't seen powder mildew in 10 years.

1247
01:00:50,725 --> 01:00:54,945
Wow. Um, and, uh, bug
pressures pretty low.

1248
01:00:55,165 --> 01:00:58,785
The aphids are still
kind of a menace <laugh>

1249
01:00:59,565 --> 01:01:01,625
that's probably gonna be
around for quite some time.

1250
01:01:01,625 --> 01:01:04,865
They're kind of
indestructible, but, um, yeah.

1251
01:01:04,865 --> 01:01:07,985
So that's, so anyway, that,
that was one, uh, structure

1252
01:01:08,015 --> 01:01:09,545
that was very surprising this year.

1253
01:01:09,655 --> 01:01:11,385
Another, yeah. The St.

1254
01:01:11,385 --> 01:01:15,295
Vincent as, uh, you noticed, uh,

1255
01:01:15,405 --> 01:01:18,735
even though we had unlimited root space,

1256
01:01:19,395 --> 01:01:20,895
so usually a cannabis plant,

1257
01:01:20,895 --> 01:01:25,505
when it has unlimited root
space, tends to the top

1258
01:01:25,525 --> 01:01:27,345
of the plant will then become wide

1259
01:01:27,345 --> 01:01:29,585
and bushy as well to
mirror the root system.

1260
01:01:30,485 --> 01:01:35,065
Uh, but for whatever reason, um, the St.

1261
01:01:35,065 --> 01:01:37,705
Vincent just shot straight vertical

1262
01:01:38,205 --> 01:01:41,705
and only was maybe a four foot
diameter plant, where a lot

1263
01:01:41,705 --> 01:01:44,825
of ours are like eight to
10 foot diameter plants

1264
01:01:45,455 --> 01:01:46,705
when growing in those conditions.

1265
01:01:46,845 --> 01:01:49,345
So, uh, for whatever reason,
it just really wanted

1266
01:01:49,625 --> 01:01:51,865
to str stay going vertical.

1267
01:01:52,165 --> 01:01:55,625
Uh, and it got probably 12 feet tall

1268
01:01:55,695 --> 01:01:59,745
with just really nice uniform
sort of candelabra of, uh,

1269
01:01:59,975 --> 01:02:02,215
uniform flowers going.

1270
01:02:02,595 --> 01:02:04,775
Um, have not sampled that one yet,

1271
01:02:04,875 --> 01:02:08,615
but, uh, had all the signs

1272
01:02:08,765 --> 01:02:11,535
that it should be, it should
be a nice one. Yeah. And,

1273
01:02:11,555 --> 01:02:12,695
- And it, and it's special too.

1274
01:02:12,815 --> 01:02:14,815
I just like plants that,
that look different.

1275
01:02:14,835 --> 01:02:16,895
You know, like, like even these mu mutants

1276
01:02:16,895 --> 01:02:18,895
that you see people put online, like,

1277
01:02:19,125 --> 01:02:20,245
I like mutant plants too.

1278
01:02:20,245 --> 01:02:22,125
It's like people are like,
oh, that should be destroyed.

1279
01:02:22,155 --> 01:02:23,725
Kill it. Get it out of the gene pool.

1280
01:02:24,025 --> 01:02:26,765
And I'm all like, okay,
maybe all of that's true,

1281
01:02:27,065 --> 01:02:30,325
but also isn't it cool
<laugh>, you know, <laugh>

1282
01:02:30,915 --> 01:02:31,915
- Yeah.

1283
01:02:31,915 --> 01:02:35,845
And it may turn out to be
a, an advantageous adaption.

1284
01:02:35,945 --> 01:02:37,805
Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>,
you know, um, that's kind

1285
01:02:37,805 --> 01:02:42,285
of mutants drive <laugh>
evolutionary change too. So

1286
01:02:42,855 --> 01:02:45,405
- Let's, let's talk a little
bit about how the morphology,

1287
01:02:45,945 --> 01:02:48,645
um, responds to where
these plants are from.

1288
01:02:48,645 --> 01:02:52,365
Right? Because a lot of these
plants that come your way,

1289
01:02:52,365 --> 01:02:56,685
these land races, they have
themselves over, you know,

1290
01:02:56,685 --> 01:02:59,845
hundreds or thousands
of years have become hot

1291
01:02:59,985 --> 01:03:04,605
or cold adapted for the
areas that they are from.

1292
01:03:04,945 --> 01:03:09,125
And so, um, you know, uh,
I'm very willing to be wrong

1293
01:03:09,325 --> 01:03:11,085
'cause I have not come in a contact with

1294
01:03:11,085 --> 01:03:12,365
as many land races as you have.

1295
01:03:12,465 --> 01:03:16,525
But generally speaking, my
impression is, is that, you know,

1296
01:03:16,895 --> 01:03:21,285
equatorial plants where
it is, um, you know, wet

1297
01:03:21,345 --> 01:03:25,925
and hot, they tend to be
more open, airy flowers

1298
01:03:26,705 --> 01:03:30,765
so that, um, you know, they
can, uh, more easily, uh,

1299
01:03:31,405 --> 01:03:33,805
transpire and, you know, kind of respirate

1300
01:03:33,945 --> 01:03:35,285
and breathe in the heat

1301
01:03:35,665 --> 01:03:37,805
and also so they dry out really quickly

1302
01:03:38,175 --> 01:03:41,085
after, you know, a monsoon
or something like that.

1303
01:03:41,395 --> 01:03:46,165
Whereas so many of the,
the, you know, the,

1304
01:03:46,265 --> 01:03:49,365
the, the pakistanian Afghani,
you know, things that are

1305
01:03:50,055 --> 01:03:54,725
grown, um, you know, near,
you know, these, these,

1306
01:03:54,735 --> 01:03:58,565
these cold seasonal mountain
reason regions, they tend

1307
01:03:58,565 --> 01:04:00,965
to have these like, like tighter flowers.

1308
01:04:01,465 --> 01:04:02,845
And in my head it's always like, oh,

1309
01:04:02,985 --> 01:04:04,685
so they can con conserve warmth.

1310
01:04:04,745 --> 01:04:06,605
And I don't know if
that's true or not, but,

1311
01:04:06,605 --> 01:04:08,525
but I'd just like to hear your thoughts

1312
01:04:08,535 --> 01:04:11,525
after having interacted with
so many of these plants.

1313
01:04:11,985 --> 01:04:15,725
How do you see these
morphologies, um, you know, uh,

1314
01:04:15,775 --> 01:04:17,765
being associated with the different parts

1315
01:04:17,905 --> 01:04:19,245
of the world that they come from?

1316
01:04:20,395 --> 01:04:21,765
- Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

1317
01:04:21,785 --> 01:04:26,175
And there definitely is, um,
yeah, the equatorial, tropical

1318
01:04:26,855 --> 01:04:28,895
sativa for the most part.

1319
01:04:29,245 --> 01:04:33,575
Yeah. Share that, um, lar airier,

1320
01:04:34,195 --> 01:04:36,615
uh, flower structure
for that exact reason,

1321
01:04:36,615 --> 01:04:39,975
because they're in a extremely
humid, moist environment,

1322
01:04:40,395 --> 01:04:42,735
and they might even be
getting rain quite often.

1323
01:04:43,035 --> 01:04:45,855
Um, so yeah. Yeah.

1324
01:04:45,875 --> 01:04:49,935
So if, if it was a super
compact dense flower,

1325
01:04:51,035 --> 01:04:54,975
they'd all implode <laugh>,
you know, within the first week

1326
01:04:54,975 --> 01:04:58,695
of flowering, um, due to baus, uh,

1327
01:04:58,695 --> 01:05:00,375
they'd probably mold out very quickly.

1328
01:05:00,635 --> 01:05:04,255
So, uh, yeah, kind of across the board.

1329
01:05:04,515 --> 01:05:09,135
Um, the equatorial sativa
all have that looser, airy,

1330
01:05:09,795 --> 01:05:11,695
uh, structure a lot of times.

1331
01:05:12,235 --> 01:05:16,095
Uh, very foxtail like
foxtails upon foxtails Mm-Hmm.

1332
01:05:16,135 --> 01:05:19,285
<affirmative>, but almost
like a Romanesque, uh,

1333
01:05:19,965 --> 01:05:22,365
- <laugh>
- Kind of, you know, fractals

1334
01:05:22,665 --> 01:05:24,725
of like foxtails within Foxtails.

1335
01:05:24,725 --> 01:05:26,165
Within Foxdale. Yeah. And, uh,

1336
01:05:26,545 --> 01:05:29,365
but you'll find those
are also crystal coated,

1337
01:05:30,025 --> 01:05:33,365
so they may not be heavy, but every nook

1338
01:05:33,365 --> 01:05:37,085
and cranny is coated
in crystal. So, um, so

1339
01:05:37,085 --> 01:05:39,085
- If you're just talking
about straight resin yield,

1340
01:05:39,595 --> 01:05:42,405
they might actually end up
being a bigger one a a better

1341
01:05:42,405 --> 01:05:44,645
choice, even though they're open and airy.

1342
01:05:45,275 --> 01:05:46,965
- Yeah. Yeah. And, um,

1343
01:05:47,385 --> 01:05:50,005
and that's another really
interesting thing about, um,

1344
01:05:51,825 --> 01:05:54,405
but yeah, so that's equatorial,
tropical equatorial.

1345
01:05:54,505 --> 01:05:56,365
You'll see that pretty
much across the board.

1346
01:05:56,745 --> 01:06:01,165
But the amazing thing is
these plants just don't mold.

1347
01:06:01,635 --> 01:06:04,645
They just, pouchitis just does not happen

1348
01:06:05,545 --> 01:06:08,605
unless, uh, the only thing that gets the,

1349
01:06:08,605 --> 01:06:09,805
like the achilles heel

1350
01:06:09,805 --> 01:06:13,205
of those tropical sativa is, uh, frost.

1351
01:06:14,265 --> 01:06:17,125
So, and as things start to get cold,

1352
01:06:17,145 --> 01:06:20,485
if you do get frost on those
buds, they tend to, um,

1353
01:06:22,105 --> 01:06:24,005
die <laugh> very quickly.

1354
01:06:24,505 --> 01:06:27,325
Uh, so that's, uh, so
that's the only thing.

1355
01:06:27,385 --> 01:06:30,805
And even when they die, a lot
of times you won't get, uh,

1356
01:06:31,065 --> 01:06:33,845
bot mold, you'll just get dead spots.

1357
01:06:34,225 --> 01:06:37,365
Um, so they're just
incredibly mold resistant.

1358
01:06:37,705 --> 01:06:42,365
Um, now with, uh, like
Afghan, Pakistan, Iranian,

1359
01:06:42,895 --> 01:06:45,685
those varieties, it's
not just hot and cold,

1360
01:06:45,985 --> 01:06:49,845
but those are also
extremely arid environments,

1361
01:06:50,305 --> 01:06:54,765
so very low humidity
where, uh, bot just isn't

1362
01:06:55,305 --> 01:06:57,645
as much of a threat in those regions.

1363
01:06:57,945 --> 01:07:02,605
So, uh, the human, um, uh,

1364
01:07:02,605 --> 01:07:06,925
intervention with those has,
has been to maximize yield.

1365
01:07:07,465 --> 01:07:11,085
So you get more yield with
a chunkier heavier bud.

1366
01:07:11,225 --> 01:07:14,365
And if you can push it
without bot, you know,

1367
01:07:14,365 --> 01:07:15,485
there, there you go.

1368
01:07:16,065 --> 01:07:20,965
Uh, the problem is when you
bring a super dense chunk,

1369
01:07:21,505 --> 01:07:24,925
Afghan all of a sudden into
Santa Cruz coastal, wet,

1370
01:07:25,255 --> 01:07:28,805
foggy environment, that's
just a recipe for, uh,

1371
01:07:29,025 --> 01:07:30,845
bot explosions.

1372
01:07:31,225 --> 01:07:34,245
And that's, and see that quite, uh, a lot

1373
01:07:34,245 --> 01:07:35,725
of people have that experience.

1374
01:07:36,025 --> 01:07:39,645
Um, we're fortunate where
we're growing, we're

1375
01:07:39,645 --> 01:07:44,005
behind a mountain range, so
that catches the marine layer.

1376
01:07:44,005 --> 01:07:46,925
So we're actually pretty
arid in our place,

1377
01:07:46,945 --> 01:07:49,565
so we can actually pull off these, um,

1378
01:07:51,945 --> 01:07:54,725
uh, Afghan, Pakistani, uh,

1379
01:07:54,755 --> 01:07:57,045
- Yeah, it's pretty
obvious from your Instagram

1380
01:07:57,045 --> 01:07:58,885
that you live in a special bio region

1381
01:07:58,885 --> 01:08:01,765
because seeing all these
different plants from all these

1382
01:08:01,765 --> 01:08:03,325
different regions of
the world, all growing

1383
01:08:03,745 --> 01:08:07,205
and finishing, like I've,
I've sworn at my phone before.

1384
01:08:07,345 --> 01:08:09,965
I'm like, how the hell is
he growing this? Oh my god.

1385
01:08:09,985 --> 01:08:12,165
You know, because like I
live at the other end, right?

1386
01:08:12,245 --> 01:08:14,965
I live Pacific Northwest
on an island, you know,

1387
01:08:15,005 --> 01:08:17,605
know 50 feet from crashing water

1388
01:08:17,785 --> 01:08:19,565
that's marine and salty, right?

1389
01:08:19,865 --> 01:08:22,645
So like, I live a terrible
place to grow myself.

1390
01:08:22,745 --> 01:08:25,485
But where you are, it's,
it's like, you know,

1391
01:08:25,995 --> 01:08:28,125
best possible combination of attributes.

1392
01:08:28,355 --> 01:08:32,845
- It's, yeah. And, uh, it's
San Lorenzo Valley in, uh,

1393
01:08:32,925 --> 01:08:36,445
Santa Cruz mountains,
has a long, long, uh,

1394
01:08:36,885 --> 01:08:38,205
cannabis history <laugh>.

1395
01:08:38,585 --> 01:08:43,325
And it turns out it's a real
nice, uh, little microclimate

1396
01:08:43,435 --> 01:08:45,325
that, uh, yeah.

1397
01:08:46,145 --> 01:08:48,695
State. It's, it's blocked
off from the marine layer,

1398
01:08:48,695 --> 01:08:50,175
even though we're down in a valley.

1399
01:08:50,915 --> 01:08:52,935
Uh, so you don't necessarily have

1400
01:08:52,935 --> 01:08:54,495
to be super high elevation.

1401
01:08:55,555 --> 01:08:56,775
Uh, but, uh,

1402
01:08:56,995 --> 01:09:00,295
but we're behind a
mountain, uh, empire grade

1403
01:09:00,325 --> 01:09:02,575
that actually catches
that whole marine layer,

1404
01:09:02,675 --> 01:09:05,055
so we just don't get that coastal fog.

1405
01:09:05,435 --> 01:09:08,455
So, uh, anyway, so, so yeah. So the next

1406
01:09:08,455 --> 01:09:09,895
- Thing I want to talk about is the,

1407
01:09:10,195 --> 01:09:12,335
the unique cultivation
demands of land race.

1408
01:09:12,335 --> 01:09:13,575
And that kind of fits in perfectly

1409
01:09:13,575 --> 01:09:15,335
with the weather conversation
that we're having

1410
01:09:15,645 --> 01:09:18,095
because, you know, I'm sure lots of people

1411
01:09:18,275 --> 01:09:21,055
who are listening like
me are being inspired by

1412
01:09:21,055 --> 01:09:22,735
what you're saying, and we're all like,

1413
01:09:22,815 --> 01:09:23,935
I wanna grow land races.

1414
01:09:24,075 --> 01:09:28,815
And, and, um, uh, Have
you, you know, from,

1415
01:09:28,935 --> 01:09:31,855
from growing so many year over a year, um,

1416
01:09:32,285 --> 01:09:35,695
have you noticed any cultivation demands

1417
01:09:35,955 --> 01:09:40,135
or best practices, um, for land races?

1418
01:09:40,135 --> 01:09:41,615
Because, you know, I imagine

1419
01:09:41,635 --> 01:09:45,735
to a certain degree they are
finicky, uh, to us who are used

1420
01:09:45,735 --> 01:09:48,295
to kind of growing all of
the same plant, because,

1421
01:09:48,445 --> 01:09:50,615
because these, these, these modern plants

1422
01:09:50,615 --> 01:09:52,775
that we've talked about earlier
are, are, are very similar

1423
01:09:52,875 --> 01:09:54,255
to each other, but,

1424
01:09:54,515 --> 01:09:57,575
but then you're growing all
these weirdo plants, which

1425
01:09:57,575 --> 01:09:59,975
of course are land races,
and they're not weirdo,

1426
01:09:59,995 --> 01:10:01,735
but like they are if you're a cultivator

1427
01:10:01,735 --> 01:10:02,775
who has never grown them before.

1428
01:10:03,475 --> 01:10:05,495
So, so let's, let's hear
a little bit about that.

1429
01:10:05,605 --> 01:10:08,655
Like, I'm, I'm sure that you
have run into some unexpected

1430
01:10:08,885 --> 01:10:11,935
growing needs that, that
some of these varieties have.

1431
01:10:12,815 --> 01:10:14,155
- Uh, well, here's,

1432
01:10:14,175 --> 01:10:17,315
here's the very good news
about land raise is, um,

1433
01:10:19,475 --> 01:10:20,765
they're actually developed

1434
01:10:20,905 --> 01:10:23,085
to be low maintenance plants <laugh>.

1435
01:10:23,345 --> 01:10:24,445
- So a real, we love hearing that.

1436
01:10:25,185 --> 01:10:29,565
- So, so a real finicky high
maintenance like og cush,

1437
01:10:29,625 --> 01:10:34,285
you know, that, uh, you know,
is gonna have powder mildew

1438
01:10:34,285 --> 01:10:36,445
and all this, uh, it, it, not

1439
01:10:36,445 --> 01:10:38,445
to get back into the dog thing, but, um,

1440
01:10:39,105 --> 01:10:42,005
but it's kind of like, you
don't have to worry about

1441
01:10:42,035 --> 01:10:44,325
with the land race, like the hip dysplasia

1442
01:10:44,325 --> 01:10:46,485
and all this like kind of inbred Mm-hmm.

1443
01:10:46,525 --> 01:10:47,765
<affirmative> problems,
Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> with, uh,

1444
01:10:47,765 --> 01:10:50,965
susceptibilities to disease and, uh, molds

1445
01:10:50,965 --> 01:10:52,125
and, and pathogens.

1446
01:10:52,705 --> 01:10:57,165
Uh, and it turns out actually
with the hop latent vir, uh,

1447
01:10:57,835 --> 01:11:00,205
most land raises, I mean,
they can still get it,

1448
01:11:00,225 --> 01:11:04,205
but don't seem to be affected, uh, ne

1449
01:11:04,465 --> 01:11:07,165
as negatively as some of
these poly hybrids too.

1450
01:11:07,785 --> 01:11:12,765
Uh, so, so it's actually,
yes, all the land races,

1451
01:11:12,765 --> 01:11:14,165
and we're growing them from all

1452
01:11:14,165 --> 01:11:17,605
around the world from
totally different regions.

1453
01:11:18,305 --> 01:11:19,445
Uh, but

1454
01:11:19,445 --> 01:11:24,165
because they're such hearty,
uh, plants that are designed

1455
01:11:24,305 --> 01:11:28,505
to, you know, thrive
without a ton of human, uh,

1456
01:11:29,805 --> 01:11:32,485
catering and pandering to the plant

1457
01:11:32,545 --> 01:11:36,765
and pampering, um, they all do pretty,

1458
01:11:36,955 --> 01:11:39,885
they have a, they all seem
to have high tolerance

1459
01:11:39,985 --> 01:11:42,685
to disease molds and pests.

1460
01:11:43,225 --> 01:11:46,585
Um, so I I actually think they're easier

1461
01:11:47,605 --> 01:11:51,405
to grow than, uh, most

1462
01:11:51,405 --> 01:11:55,245
of the modern poly hybrids
that tend to have sort

1463
01:11:55,245 --> 01:11:57,965
of genetic disease vulnerability built in.

1464
01:11:58,475 --> 01:12:00,725
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. They've,
they've actually, yeah,

1465
01:12:00,725 --> 01:12:03,285
they've gone for potency
and who caress about.

1466
01:12:03,945 --> 01:12:06,565
And, and when people say, oh,
it's a challenging strain,

1467
01:12:06,585 --> 01:12:08,125
or really finicky strain,

1468
01:12:08,125 --> 01:12:10,045
there's another way you could say is

1469
01:12:11,425 --> 01:12:12,925
that's kind of crap genetics.

1470
01:12:12,925 --> 01:12:15,925
If you <laugh> massively
disease prone plant,

1471
01:12:17,595 --> 01:12:20,365
that might actually be
kind of crappy genetics.

1472
01:12:20,425 --> 01:12:22,865
No one wants to Yeah.

1473
01:12:22,925 --> 01:12:25,835
Be growing unless you're doing some

1474
01:12:26,355 --> 01:12:29,755
adoptive foster thing for
sickly plants or something.

1475
01:12:29,895 --> 01:12:32,075
Why, why would you wanna
grow plants that you have

1476
01:12:32,075 --> 01:12:34,555
to spray chemicals all over all the time

1477
01:12:35,015 --> 01:12:36,275
to fend off diseases?

1478
01:12:36,335 --> 01:12:37,635
How about just getting genetics

1479
01:12:37,635 --> 01:12:40,475
that naturally fend off
diseases? But that's, do you,

1480
01:12:40,575 --> 01:12:43,555
- Do you find that, um, it
takes some time with these

1481
01:12:44,145 --> 01:12:47,315
varieties for you to figure
out their, like basic needs?

1482
01:12:47,435 --> 01:12:49,675
Like I can imagine that
these different plants from

1483
01:12:49,675 --> 01:12:52,115
different places have got like
different water requirements

1484
01:12:52,495 --> 01:12:54,395
and different, um, you know, uh,

1485
01:12:54,425 --> 01:12:56,035
food amendments requirements,

1486
01:12:56,995 --> 01:12:57,995
- Actually, not really.

1487
01:12:58,135 --> 01:12:59,315
Oh, right on. And I,

1488
01:12:59,315 --> 01:13:01,675
and I can totally see
where you might think that,

1489
01:13:01,855 --> 01:13:05,115
but, uh, here's, here's how we grow.

1490
01:13:05,775 --> 01:13:08,155
Uh, we,

1491
01:13:08,295 --> 01:13:10,875
we don't actually really feed
throughout the entire year.

1492
01:13:10,935 --> 01:13:12,235
So what we focus on

1493
01:13:12,415 --> 01:13:15,995
and we, uh, grow in a Hugo culture Mm-Hmm.

1494
01:13:16,035 --> 01:13:20,075
<affirmative> environment.
Uh, so, so where,

1495
01:13:21,225 --> 01:13:23,845
and, and what we do is
we build a really super

1496
01:13:24,925 --> 01:13:28,325
nutrient dense, super rich living

1497
01:13:28,515 --> 01:13:30,205
soil in the off season.

1498
01:13:31,225 --> 01:13:35,965
And then by the time we plop
that plant in that soil come,

1499
01:13:36,305 --> 01:13:38,245
uh, uh, June, may

1500
01:13:38,245 --> 01:13:41,505
or June, we don't actually feed

1501
01:13:42,315 --> 01:13:44,305
those plants throughout the whole year.

1502
01:13:45,285 --> 01:13:48,465
Wow. So it's, what we're
doing is we provide an

1503
01:13:48,465 --> 01:13:52,185
all-you-can-eat buffet of compost

1504
01:13:52,245 --> 01:13:56,065
and organic nutrients that,
uh, along with all the, uh,

1505
01:13:56,305 --> 01:14:00,585
breaking down, uh, forest
debris, uh, sticks, leaves, uh,

1506
01:14:00,885 --> 01:14:02,985
chunks of logs and everything Mm-Hmm.

1507
01:14:03,025 --> 01:14:05,665
<affirmative>. And so now
you have all the mycelium

1508
01:14:05,925 --> 01:14:07,305
that's just thriving in there.

1509
01:14:07,445 --> 01:14:12,265
So it's kind of like
the plant, um, can pick

1510
01:14:12,265 --> 01:14:13,265
and choose what it wants.

1511
01:14:13,295 --> 01:14:14,745
It's got an all you CANet buffet

1512
01:14:15,605 --> 01:14:20,025
and everything's there at
its root tips, uh, to absorb.

1513
01:14:20,445 --> 01:14:22,905
Uh, so that's, that's
how we actually grow.

1514
01:14:23,005 --> 01:14:26,745
We supercharge and get
really living great,

1515
01:14:27,105 --> 01:14:29,985
powerful living soil, uh, in
the beginning of the season.

1516
01:14:30,205 --> 01:14:33,345
And then the plants just
kind of adapt to that.

1517
01:14:33,525 --> 01:14:37,785
So we're not at all running
around going, oh, this,

1518
01:14:38,515 --> 01:14:40,745
these Brazilians need some phosphorus,

1519
01:14:40,845 --> 01:14:43,705
or this needs <laugh> magnesium.

1520
01:14:44,055 --> 01:14:46,695
Like, we don't do that at all.

1521
01:14:47,555 --> 01:14:51,335
Um, the only time is
maybe some of these longer

1522
01:14:52,125 --> 01:14:55,935
flowering plants that get
super, super huge, uh,

1523
01:14:56,315 --> 01:14:59,335
may just need a little bit of, uh,

1524
01:15:00,455 --> 01:15:02,655
nitrogen later in the year if they start,

1525
01:15:02,655 --> 01:15:05,935
if they've gobbled up
all the, uh, nitrogen.

1526
01:15:06,215 --> 01:15:08,255
A lot of times we'll do
that with just a simple

1527
01:15:09,045 --> 01:15:12,535
like fish emulsion, compost tea, uh,

1528
01:15:12,595 --> 01:15:13,695
to just balance 'em out.

1529
01:15:13,715 --> 01:15:17,295
But, but no, there's, these are not, um,

1530
01:15:19,415 --> 01:15:21,665
yeah, they, they all basically, they're,

1531
01:15:21,665 --> 01:15:23,505
they're all growing in the exact same soil

1532
01:15:23,855 --> 01:15:27,545
with the same nutrients,
same watering <laugh>,

1533
01:15:28,085 --> 01:15:30,665
and they kind of, and
they just kind of adapt.

1534
01:15:32,085 --> 01:15:34,345
- So when, when you are new to a land race

1535
01:15:34,405 --> 01:15:35,585
and you don't know whether

1536
01:15:35,645 --> 01:15:39,265
or not it's going to be,
you know, a four foot wide

1537
01:15:39,445 --> 01:15:41,185
or a 10 foot wide plant,

1538
01:15:41,445 --> 01:15:44,225
do you just give all your
plants the same amount of space

1539
01:15:44,245 --> 01:15:46,025
and let them express themselves,

1540
01:15:46,445 --> 01:15:47,445
- Or Yeah.

1541
01:15:47,445 --> 01:15:48,425
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1542
01:15:48,425 --> 01:15:52,785
And we're in a, uh, fixed,
we installed these hexagon,

1543
01:15:53,565 --> 01:15:57,905
uh, shaped, uh, planter boxes,
uh, in the soil. So we're

1544
01:15:57,905 --> 01:16:00,065
- Ah, so you're not moving your
grid every year or anything.

1545
01:16:00,295 --> 01:16:01,295
It's like, yeah.

1546
01:16:02,085 --> 01:16:04,025
- So, and we gave 'em a lot of space

1547
01:16:04,305 --> 01:16:06,945
'cause we designed the
garden, uh, for humans

1548
01:16:07,245 --> 01:16:08,465
to be wandering around.

1549
01:16:08,535 --> 01:16:10,065
Nice. This is not a row crop

1550
01:16:10,955 --> 01:16:13,395
yielding industrial garden by any means.

1551
01:16:13,505 --> 01:16:17,555
It's, it's actually a
living art exhibit of, uh,

1552
01:16:17,955 --> 01:16:19,275
cannabis genetics from around the world.

1553
01:16:20,535 --> 01:16:22,595
And it's cool, just growing.

1554
01:16:22,815 --> 01:16:26,235
But then they make it so much, it

1555
01:16:26,235 --> 01:16:28,315
- Just sounds like a pleasure
garden, dude. <laugh>.

1556
01:16:28,495 --> 01:16:31,955
- Oh, it, so, so we, we started this

1557
01:16:32,975 --> 01:16:34,955
and we started having, uh, visitors out,

1558
01:16:35,015 --> 01:16:36,315
and it was just so much fun.

1559
01:16:36,315 --> 01:16:39,075
But this was pre COVID and then COVID hit,

1560
01:16:39,215 --> 01:16:40,475
and, you know, we've kind

1561
01:16:40,475 --> 01:16:42,915
of taken a break from having visitors out.

1562
01:16:43,455 --> 01:16:46,555
Uh, and then the hot latent
OID had me really freaked

1563
01:16:46,655 --> 01:16:47,675
out until now.

1564
01:16:47,795 --> 01:16:50,515
I, I, I have a much better
understanding of the risk,

1565
01:16:50,815 --> 01:16:52,115
um, and such.

1566
01:16:52,135 --> 01:16:56,205
And we're not in a high
risk, uh, of humans visiting

1567
01:16:56,305 --> 01:16:58,405
and like transmitting, thank goodness.

1568
01:16:58,545 --> 01:17:02,125
So, um, but anyway, yeah, the
garden's designed to actually

1569
01:17:02,225 --> 01:17:06,405
for humans to wander
around, um, where each box

1570
01:17:07,165 --> 01:17:08,605
actually has plenty of space in between.

1571
01:17:08,665 --> 01:17:11,125
So you can actually, if
you're wandering around,

1572
01:17:11,235 --> 01:17:13,525
socializing, smoking a joint, <laugh>,

1573
01:17:13,905 --> 01:17:16,045
and you resonate with a particular plant,

1574
01:17:16,145 --> 01:17:19,605
you can then walk all the
way around the perimeter of

1575
01:17:19,605 --> 01:17:24,165
that plant, see it from all
angles, uh, and and such.

1576
01:17:24,225 --> 01:17:26,645
So that's, yeah, we give
the plants lots of space

1577
01:17:26,925 --> 01:17:31,765
'cause we kind of see each one
as like a, a work of art, uh,

1578
01:17:31,865 --> 01:17:34,325
and we want to give it, its, its space

1579
01:17:34,425 --> 01:17:35,805
to do its thing. <laugh>.

1580
01:17:36,075 --> 01:17:39,325
- Good, good. So, um, how
do you find that these, and,

1581
01:17:39,325 --> 01:17:41,005
and like I, I recognize
that you're outdoors,

1582
01:17:41,065 --> 01:17:43,245
so you may not have had
to done a lot of this,

1583
01:17:43,245 --> 01:17:45,725
but I bet you still have
an educated opinion on it.

1584
01:17:46,155 --> 01:17:49,205
Like, how do, how do these
land races that have never, um,

1585
01:17:49,865 --> 01:17:53,565
you know, been cultivated by present

1586
01:17:54,665 --> 01:17:56,995
growers, how do they respond
to things like training

1587
01:17:57,135 --> 01:18:00,435
and scroggin and like, kind
of like, like human dominance?

1588
01:18:00,895 --> 01:18:02,835
- We don't, well, that's exactly it.

1589
01:18:02,835 --> 01:18:07,265
Like, um, philosophically, I,

1590
01:18:07,865 --> 01:18:10,305
I don't see my relationship
with the plant as

1591
01:18:10,305 --> 01:18:14,305
where I'm trying to dominate
and squeeze out and maximize

1592
01:18:14,405 --> 01:18:17,345
and exploit every
molecule of that plant to

1593
01:18:18,175 --> 01:18:19,705
pump out more buds for me.

1594
01:18:19,985 --> 01:18:22,585
<laugh>. Yeah. Right, right.
Um, so we, we don't top,

1595
01:18:24,045 --> 01:18:26,665
we don't leaf, we don't train.

1596
01:18:27,085 --> 01:18:31,345
We we're just, each one of
these seeds is a mystery,

1597
01:18:31,965 --> 01:18:34,945
and we wanna see what this plant story is.

1598
01:18:35,285 --> 01:18:37,305
So we actually step back

1599
01:18:38,005 --> 01:18:39,625
and just let the plant do its thing.

1600
01:18:40,125 --> 01:18:44,025
Uh, so we, again, we don't
even leaf these plants.

1601
01:18:44,965 --> 01:18:46,945
Um, and what, what you'll find though,

1602
01:18:46,945 --> 01:18:50,105
when you let a plant just
go natural, you, you kind

1603
01:18:50,105 --> 01:18:52,345
of get a Christmas tree type shape,

1604
01:18:53,795 --> 01:18:57,655
and then it may be like, Hey, how do,

1605
01:18:57,675 --> 01:19:00,735
but how does light get
into the inner buds?

1606
01:19:01,675 --> 01:19:06,055
But the answer is as, as the
buds get heavier on the tips

1607
01:19:06,075 --> 01:19:09,495
of the branches, that
actually opens the plant up

1608
01:19:09,915 --> 01:19:11,815
as the gravity pulls down those branches.

1609
01:19:12,675 --> 01:19:14,935
So now all of a sudden,
the whole length of

1610
01:19:14,935 --> 01:19:17,135
that branch is now sort of,

1611
01:19:17,555 --> 01:19:20,455
the entire plant is almost
blooming like a flower

1612
01:19:20,935 --> 01:19:22,535
<laugh> and opening up.

1613
01:19:23,035 --> 01:19:26,295
And now all of a sudden the
sun can get in to those, uh,

1614
01:19:26,305 --> 01:19:27,615
inner buds as well.

1615
01:19:28,275 --> 01:19:30,295
Uh, but then we also do, um,

1616
01:19:30,895 --> 01:19:33,735
'cause some of these plants
are, you know, 12 feet tall,

1617
01:19:33,915 --> 01:19:36,535
10 feet diameter, I mean, they're huge.

1618
01:19:37,835 --> 01:19:40,295
Uh, so we don't harvest the entire

1619
01:19:40,295 --> 01:19:41,495
plant all at the same time.

1620
01:19:41,675 --> 01:19:43,495
We do like a layered harvest,

1621
01:19:43,755 --> 01:19:46,055
so we just take the top right buds,

1622
01:19:46,155 --> 01:19:48,575
and then that also allows the sun

1623
01:19:48,595 --> 01:19:50,695
to now penetrate further into the plant

1624
01:19:50,695 --> 01:19:52,055
and let those under buds develop.

1625
01:19:52,115 --> 01:19:53,175
So, we'll, we'll do three

1626
01:19:53,195 --> 01:19:56,415
or four harvest off the same plant,

1627
01:19:58,005 --> 01:20:01,785
uh, while at the same time just watching.

1628
01:20:01,895 --> 01:20:03,705
Yeah. We don't, we don't do,

1629
01:20:03,875 --> 01:20:07,645
we've given up on all
the human manipulations.

1630
01:20:07,905 --> 01:20:10,845
Uh, the one thing we do though
I should know, is as far

1631
01:20:10,845 --> 01:20:13,485
as you do have to support the plant, um,

1632
01:20:14,105 --> 01:20:18,135
so we just put four redwood posts, uh,

1633
01:20:19,015 --> 01:20:21,735
creating an out outer bo
you know, a box of posts,

1634
01:20:21,955 --> 01:20:26,255
and then we take, uh,
organic hemp bakers twine.

1635
01:20:26,435 --> 01:20:29,295
So it's actually food
grade hemp twine, <laugh>.

1636
01:20:29,915 --> 01:20:33,655
And we just run that twine,
sort of like a big spider web

1637
01:20:33,995 --> 01:20:36,815
around, uh, the plant
to support its branches.

1638
01:20:37,115 --> 01:20:39,975
So, uh, but that's, that's all we do. So

1639
01:20:40,155 --> 01:20:42,075
- We're gonna take a short
break and be right back.

1640
01:20:42,335 --> 01:20:44,795
Um, when we come back, we're
gonna be talking a little bit

1641
01:20:44,805 --> 01:20:46,275
about breeding land races,

1642
01:20:46,295 --> 01:20:49,275
and a little bit more about,
uh, preserving land races.

1643
01:20:49,375 --> 01:20:51,115
So you are listening to shaping fire,

1644
01:20:51,135 --> 01:20:53,915
and my guest today is land
race specialist Jeff Nordal.

1645
01:20:57,055 --> 01:20:59,515
The cannabis seed market
is filled with big name

1646
01:20:59,515 --> 01:21:01,555
and hype breeders fighting
to get your attention,

1647
01:21:01,895 --> 01:21:04,515
and occasionally you discover
a breeder who is breeding

1648
01:21:04,515 --> 01:21:06,555
because it is the only
thing they care to do,

1649
01:21:06,735 --> 01:21:09,235
and they would be doing it
even if they never made a dime.

1650
01:21:09,975 --> 01:21:12,875
That's my friend Craig
Hart saw who makes seeds

1651
01:21:12,875 --> 01:21:14,115
as magnetic genetics.

1652
01:21:14,765 --> 01:21:16,915
Craig comes from five
generations of farmers

1653
01:21:16,975 --> 01:21:18,355
and is earning his master's degree

1654
01:21:18,355 --> 01:21:19,395
in horticulture right now.

1655
01:21:19,905 --> 01:21:21,875
He's been growing cannabis for 15 years

1656
01:21:22,135 --> 01:21:23,515
and been breeding for nine.

1657
01:21:24,295 --> 01:21:25,755
He hasn't sold many seeds

1658
01:21:25,755 --> 01:21:27,315
because he really isn't a sales guy,

1659
01:21:27,535 --> 01:21:29,675
but I've personally been
growing his seeds for years,

1660
01:21:29,935 --> 01:21:32,715
and I know I can always rely
on his seeds to germinate,

1661
01:21:32,895 --> 01:21:34,795
thrive, and smell and taste great.

1662
01:21:35,595 --> 01:21:38,395
I suggested to Craig that he
should probably sell some seeds

1663
01:21:38,395 --> 01:21:41,155
and asked if he had enough
stockpile to bother.

1664
01:21:41,785 --> 01:21:45,755
Much to my shock, he was sitting
on five full menus in cold

1665
01:21:45,755 --> 01:21:47,675
storage that he produced
in the last two years,

1666
01:21:47,895 --> 01:21:49,795
and hadn't even tried to sell any of 'em.

1667
01:21:50,015 --> 01:21:51,595
He was simply too busy breeding.

1668
01:21:52,425 --> 01:21:54,435
Well, we, his friends, convinced him

1669
01:21:54,435 --> 01:21:56,315
to make his damn seeds
available to the people.

1670
01:21:56,535 --> 01:21:59,755
And now they are. For
the first time anywhere,

1671
01:21:59,775 --> 01:22:03,235
you can now buy magnetic genetic
seeds at Neptune Seed Bank

1672
01:22:03,335 --> 01:22:04,955
and on strain lee.io.

1673
01:22:05,945 --> 01:22:09,075
Neptune Seed Bank has just
picked up magnetic genetics

1674
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1675
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1676
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1677
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1678
01:22:18,865 --> 01:22:20,995
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1679
01:22:21,695 --> 01:22:24,835
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1680
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1681
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1682
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1683
01:22:32,355 --> 01:22:33,795
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1684
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1685
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1686
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1687
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1688
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1689
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1690
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1691
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1692
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1693
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1694
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1695
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1696
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1697
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1698
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1699
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1700
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1701
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1702
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1703
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1704
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1705
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1706
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1707
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1708
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1709
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1710
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1711
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1712
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1713
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1714
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1715
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1716
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1717
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1719
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1720
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1721
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1722
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1723
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1724
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1725
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1726
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1727
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1728
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1729
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1730
01:24:49,265 --> 01:24:52,825
of the reasons I recommend
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1731
01:24:52,825 --> 01:24:54,745
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1732
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1733
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1734
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1735
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1736
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1737
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1738
01:25:13,205 --> 01:25:14,865
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1739
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1740
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1741
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1742
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1743
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1744
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1745
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1746
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1747
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1748
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1749
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1750
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1751
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1752
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1753
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1754
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1755
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1756
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1757
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1758
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1759
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1760
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1761
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1762
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1763
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1769
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1770
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1771
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1772
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That's Gas Lamp Seeds. Welcome back.

1773
01:26:46,855 --> 01:26:48,195
You are listening to Shaping Fire.

1774
01:26:48,395 --> 01:26:50,035
I am your host Shloss,

1775
01:26:50,175 --> 01:26:53,035
and my guest today is Land
Race Specialist Jeff Nordal.

1776
01:26:53,335 --> 01:26:54,675
So here we are at the Big finish,

1777
01:26:54,975 --> 01:26:57,075
and you know, during the
first set, we figured out

1778
01:26:57,075 --> 01:26:58,355
what the hell land races are,

1779
01:26:59,095 --> 01:27:00,395
and during the second set,

1780
01:27:00,615 --> 01:27:03,555
we talked about why we have
all fallen in love with them

1781
01:27:03,735 --> 01:27:07,995
and, and why anytime the flower
is available, um, serious,

1782
01:27:08,615 --> 01:27:11,835
uh, weed heads are like on it, like catnip

1783
01:27:12,025 --> 01:27:15,355
because we know that that is
the special rare rarer thing

1784
01:27:15,355 --> 01:27:16,515
that we just, you know, don't have

1785
01:27:16,515 --> 01:27:18,115
as much access to anymore.

1786
01:27:18,455 --> 01:27:21,195
And, um, and, and they're
beloved for good reasons.

1787
01:27:21,455 --> 01:27:22,915
So in this last set,

1788
01:27:22,925 --> 01:27:25,755
we're gonna talk a little bit
about breeding with land races

1789
01:27:25,815 --> 01:27:28,835
and then a little bit about
preserving land races.

1790
01:27:29,095 --> 01:27:31,315
So, so Jeff, you know, um, you know,

1791
01:27:31,315 --> 01:27:33,555
we've already touched on
breeding a little bit earlier in

1792
01:27:33,555 --> 01:27:35,995
the show, and, um, it's weird.

1793
01:27:36,225 --> 01:27:38,275
It's, it's like it's a
two-sided coin, right?

1794
01:27:38,275 --> 01:27:43,075
Like on one side, breeding
with land races is exhilarating

1795
01:27:43,105 --> 01:27:47,675
because we like the idea of
taking whatever our favorite,

1796
01:27:48,255 --> 01:27:51,035
you know, modern strain is, and then,

1797
01:27:51,175 --> 01:27:55,315
and then breeding it to a land race strain

1798
01:27:55,815 --> 01:27:58,395
to perhaps like increase its vigor

1799
01:27:58,535 --> 01:28:00,755
or increase its resistance to pests,

1800
01:28:00,755 --> 01:28:04,355
or to grab some of those like,
you know, old school land,

1801
01:28:04,355 --> 01:28:05,755
race terpene profiles,

1802
01:28:06,075 --> 01:28:07,315
whatever it is that we're trying to do.

1803
01:28:07,775 --> 01:28:10,915
Or actually the other way,
um, try to breed a land race

1804
01:28:10,915 --> 01:28:13,475
to a modern plant to like cut down on

1805
01:28:13,775 --> 01:28:15,315
how many weeks it takes to flower.

1806
01:28:15,495 --> 01:28:17,515
So there's, there's a lot of like, reasons

1807
01:28:17,745 --> 01:28:19,875
that we may wanna breed with a land race,

1808
01:28:20,215 --> 01:28:24,595
but the flip side of that
also is that every time we,

1809
01:28:24,895 --> 01:28:29,635
we breed a land race that
is less of that land race

1810
01:28:29,635 --> 01:28:34,515
that exists in its pure form
for us to preserve, for,

1811
01:28:34,975 --> 01:28:37,315
you know, medicinal applications

1812
01:28:37,615 --> 01:28:41,035
or for just enjoying that
land race in and of its own.

1813
01:28:41,035 --> 01:28:43,555
Right? So, so what are your,
what are your, you know,

1814
01:28:43,675 --> 01:28:45,755
I would just like to hear you
speak to that about, you know,

1815
01:28:45,755 --> 01:28:48,115
like, like, like are
you crossing land races

1816
01:28:48,115 --> 01:28:51,115
to modern hybrids or, and what
are your thoughts about that?

1817
01:28:53,285 --> 01:28:55,905
- Um, yeah, so, uh, there's,

1818
01:28:55,935 --> 01:29:00,025
there's two things going on
when you're sort of deciding

1819
01:29:00,085 --> 01:29:02,685
to work with landrace plants

1820
01:29:03,185 --> 01:29:05,845
and, uh, so there's,
there's, there's two goals.

1821
01:29:06,155 --> 01:29:10,885
There's, uh, uh, preservation,
so backing it up,

1822
01:29:11,025 --> 01:29:14,245
so realizing that these
are possibly at risk

1823
01:29:14,245 --> 01:29:15,325
of going extinction.

1824
01:29:15,905 --> 01:29:20,605
So, uh, do, uh, seed, uh, re-up

1825
01:29:20,865 --> 01:29:23,125
or, uh, just, uh, an inline breed

1826
01:29:23,125 --> 01:29:26,605
where you're just preserving
that, uh, particular line

1827
01:29:26,605 --> 01:29:28,205
of land race for preservation.

1828
01:29:28,705 --> 01:29:32,925
Uh, but then you can go off
and start playing around

1829
01:29:32,985 --> 01:29:35,525
and experimenting and
doing all kinds of crosses

1830
01:29:35,745 --> 01:29:39,605
and, uh, uh, genetic hybrid work.

1831
01:29:39,705 --> 01:29:41,805
So those are both totally valid things.

1832
01:29:41,865 --> 01:29:45,255
But if you just go, uh, full-blown hybrid

1833
01:29:46,235 --> 01:29:50,575
and then lose your, it's
again, with the <laugh>

1834
01:29:51,125 --> 01:29:54,095
with the dog breed thing, you
can't really take the doodle

1835
01:29:55,565 --> 01:29:58,065
out of the doberman pincher,

1836
01:29:58,125 --> 01:29:59,145
you know, once it goes in there.

1837
01:29:59,145 --> 01:30:01,185
So, so yeah, once, once, once
you've bred that land, race,

1838
01:30:01,405 --> 01:30:02,985
all those attributes
are all mixed together.

1839
01:30:04,525 --> 01:30:07,535
Yeah, it would take lots
of generations to try

1840
01:30:07,535 --> 01:30:10,535
and back it out to get
back to the original, uh,

1841
01:30:10,565 --> 01:30:12,055
variety or at least close to that.

1842
01:30:12,155 --> 01:30:16,255
So, so there's really, uh, so
there's preservation going on,

1843
01:30:16,395 --> 01:30:19,995
and that right now, at my stage in

1844
01:30:20,045 --> 01:30:24,235
where I'm at in my cannabis adventures is

1845
01:30:25,255 --> 01:30:29,955
we are popping new seeds every
year, total mystery seeds,

1846
01:30:30,175 --> 01:30:33,675
uh, from these different,
uh, regions of the world, uh,

1847
01:30:33,675 --> 01:30:35,795
even sometimes going back in time

1848
01:30:35,975 --> 01:30:38,315
to the eighties, seventies, sixties.

1849
01:30:39,655 --> 01:30:40,995
And then we're observing those,

1850
01:30:41,535 --> 01:30:44,955
and right now we're focused
on preserving those genetics

1851
01:30:45,255 --> 01:30:48,395
and, uh, to do that really well.

1852
01:30:48,975 --> 01:30:53,515
Uh, you can't just go
skipping down into your garden

1853
01:30:53,785 --> 01:30:56,115
with, you know, if you're
trying to pollinate,

1854
01:30:56,115 --> 01:30:58,315
let's say a Vietnamese plant, uh,

1855
01:30:58,615 --> 01:31:02,275
you may have your male Vietnamese
from that same seed batch,

1856
01:31:02,415 --> 01:31:05,995
or hopefully like three,
four or five males.

1857
01:31:05,995 --> 01:31:09,355
So you're getting more
genetic diversity, uh, oh,

1858
01:31:09,375 --> 01:31:11,035
by the way, that's another
thing you're trying to do

1859
01:31:11,035 --> 01:31:13,035
with your land raise seed backups.

1860
01:31:13,035 --> 01:31:16,155
Your genetic backups is
you're not doing a lot

1861
01:31:16,155 --> 01:31:17,355
of selection, right?

1862
01:31:17,355 --> 01:31:18,355
Then you're actually trying

1863
01:31:18,355 --> 01:31:20,395
to get the broadest, uh, gene pool.

1864
01:31:20,415 --> 01:31:22,435
So you wanna use as many females

1865
01:31:22,435 --> 01:31:24,915
and as many males from
that variety as you can.

1866
01:31:25,055 --> 01:31:27,115
Mm-Hmm, <affirmative>. So
then when you make, let's say,

1867
01:31:27,155 --> 01:31:29,035
a thousand seeds, you're trying to capture

1868
01:31:29,455 --> 01:31:33,515
as much genetic diversity in
that, uh, seed backup Mm-Hmm.

1869
01:31:33,555 --> 01:31:37,555
<affirmative>. And those are
just, uh, not primary colors,

1870
01:31:37,655 --> 01:31:40,395
but these are, you know, your
foundation building blocks,

1871
01:31:40,795 --> 01:31:44,355
<laugh> of cannabis breeding
that you wanna keep pure.

1872
01:31:45,015 --> 01:31:48,835
Uh, uh, but then once
you have those locked in

1873
01:31:49,455 --> 01:31:50,795
and you have those seeds

1874
01:31:50,795 --> 01:31:52,795
where you're saving them
in a good environment

1875
01:31:52,825 --> 01:31:54,075
that they're gonna last, you know,

1876
01:31:54,175 --> 01:31:58,875
10 years plus still be
viable, then, you know,

1877
01:31:58,965 --> 01:32:02,445
then you have the freedom
to go start making crosses

1878
01:32:02,465 --> 01:32:06,085
and hybrids, uh, that where
you're, you know, trying

1879
01:32:06,085 --> 01:32:09,405
to improve things or adapt things for, uh,

1880
01:32:09,515 --> 01:32:12,325
like here in California, um, you know,

1881
01:32:12,525 --> 01:32:16,965
I may absolutely love, uh, like, uh,

1882
01:32:17,385 --> 01:32:19,165
the, the effect the high

1883
01:32:19,165 --> 01:32:21,525
that you got from a plant from Laos,

1884
01:32:22,865 --> 01:32:25,885
but it's a 16 week flower <laugh>.

1885
01:32:26,465 --> 01:32:29,845
You know, it's very difficult
to grow that outdoors

1886
01:32:30,475 --> 01:32:32,685
here in California
before the storms come in

1887
01:32:32,685 --> 01:32:34,205
and just beat the crap out of the plant.

1888
01:32:34,305 --> 01:32:36,285
And it may even kill it, you know?

1889
01:32:37,065 --> 01:32:41,845
Uh, so you may say, Hey,
I, I want that Laos effect,

1890
01:32:41,985 --> 01:32:46,805
but in a plant that finishes,
you know, in mid-October,

1891
01:32:47,305 --> 01:32:49,405
so then you, you have to start pondering

1892
01:32:50,815 --> 01:32:55,145
what would be the least
intrusive early finishing plant

1893
01:32:55,735 --> 01:32:59,465
that might carry all the Laos effects.

1894
01:32:59,565 --> 01:33:01,105
Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>
with it on top of it.

1895
01:33:01,205 --> 01:33:04,585
You, you get what I mean? So
that, that's totally cool.

1896
01:33:04,775 --> 01:33:06,065
Totally fair game.

1897
01:33:06,305 --> 01:33:09,625
I don't think that's
disrespecting any cultures.

1898
01:33:09,705 --> 01:33:11,745
I don't think that's
culturally appropriating.

1899
01:33:12,125 --> 01:33:15,065
Um, as long as you're crediting the,

1900
01:33:15,285 --> 01:33:18,745
the wider global cannabis community, um,

1901
01:33:20,075 --> 01:33:23,855
and, and then are transparent
with how you created

1902
01:33:23,925 --> 01:33:28,295
that variety, like say, yeah,
if, if a tie and a Laos plant

1903
01:33:28,875 --> 01:33:32,255
and an Afghan went together,
you know, document that

1904
01:33:32,355 --> 01:33:35,805
and let people know that's
where that plant came from,

1905
01:33:35,805 --> 01:33:40,645
those are its lineage, then I
think that's, um, respectful

1906
01:33:40,985 --> 01:33:43,605
as well to, uh, the origins

1907
01:33:43,605 --> 01:33:45,445
and the farmers who created these plants.

1908
01:33:45,785 --> 01:33:49,565
Um, so that's, that's
totally, totally cool

1909
01:33:49,665 --> 01:33:51,445
and, and fair game.

1910
01:33:52,105 --> 01:33:55,815
But, uh, the, uh, sort of ethical

1911
01:33:56,615 --> 01:34:00,855
shortsighted blunder
would be to immediately,

1912
01:34:01,355 --> 01:34:02,615
at least this is my opinion,

1913
01:34:02,765 --> 01:34:06,655
just immediately start making
hybrid crosses without backing

1914
01:34:06,655 --> 01:34:08,855
up and preserving that original land raise

1915
01:34:08,855 --> 01:34:11,815
that may have taken hundreds,
if not thousands of years

1916
01:34:13,205 --> 01:34:16,065
to create that unique genetic. So I don't,

1917
01:34:16,065 --> 01:34:17,545
- When you say back it up, would

1918
01:34:17,545 --> 01:34:19,585
that just be a simple open pollination,

1919
01:34:19,615 --> 01:34:20,825
like in a tent or something?

1920
01:34:20,825 --> 01:34:23,585
That way you're not, you're not
losing the pollen into other

1921
01:34:23,585 --> 01:34:24,825
plants <laugh>, but you just,

1922
01:34:24,825 --> 01:34:26,665
you're just letting 'em
all make more seeds.

1923
01:34:28,925 --> 01:34:30,095
- Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

1924
01:34:30,115 --> 01:34:32,415
So, sorry, sorry, I
kind of rambled on that.

1925
01:34:33,155 --> 01:34:36,735
So the thing is, if you're
dealing with a lot of varieties

1926
01:34:37,115 --> 01:34:40,655
of, uh, pure lines of land raise, uh,

1927
01:34:41,195 --> 01:34:43,855
you can't be sloppy with your pollen

1928
01:34:44,355 --> 01:34:47,175
and, uh, just bring pollen
down into your garden

1929
01:34:47,315 --> 01:34:48,455
and potentially have

1930
01:34:48,455 --> 01:34:50,815
that pollen drift onto
other plants, right?

1931
01:34:51,075 --> 01:34:55,215
Uh, so the, the technique that I use that

1932
01:34:56,295 --> 01:34:57,775
works well, but I'm open

1933
01:34:57,775 --> 01:35:01,495
to other ideas if other people
have come up with other, uh,

1934
01:35:01,865 --> 01:35:06,135
techniques that are work
is, anyway, what I do

1935
01:35:07,195 --> 01:35:09,735
is we grow the landrace plants out in our

1936
01:35:09,895 --> 01:35:11,175
landrace botanical garden.

1937
01:35:11,175 --> 01:35:14,775
That's where you get the big
10, 12, 15 foot tall plants.

1938
01:35:15,315 --> 01:35:20,215
But before those plants go
into flour, I label each one

1939
01:35:20,215 --> 01:35:23,295
of those plants with its
variety, plus its pheno number.

1940
01:35:23,555 --> 01:35:26,535
So it might be Mexico halco,

1941
01:35:28,385 --> 01:35:30,815
three out of four halco
plants we're growing.

1942
01:35:30,835 --> 01:35:32,695
So this one's number three pheno, right?

1943
01:35:33,795 --> 01:35:35,975
So I'll take cuttings off

1944
01:35:36,605 --> 01:35:41,355
that number three Lesco
plant, take those cuttings

1945
01:35:41,355 --> 01:35:46,095
to my other property,
uh, root those cuttings.

1946
01:35:46,515 --> 01:35:49,935
And now I have very small <laugh>

1947
01:35:50,235 --> 01:35:54,295
- Oh, - Versions of that
plant, right, that are now,

1948
01:35:54,495 --> 01:35:59,385
that are, now I'm keeping them
in like a three gallon pot.

1949
01:35:59,885 --> 01:36:02,745
So now when I need to go
isolate them for pollinating,

1950
01:36:02,945 --> 01:36:05,385
I can easily just move
them around my property.

1951
01:36:05,885 --> 01:36:07,105
Um, and,

1952
01:36:07,325 --> 01:36:11,265
and then, uh, the males, I
keep in a, a separate area,

1953
01:36:11,365 --> 01:36:14,025
and then we even isolate
our males for a time

1954
01:36:14,365 --> 01:36:17,345
to make sure some other
plant's pollen is not drifting

1955
01:36:17,345 --> 01:36:18,425
onto that maleo plant.

1956
01:36:18,825 --> 01:36:20,185
<laugh>. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. Uh, so,

1957
01:36:20,565 --> 01:36:24,585
so we know we're getting that
just that pure, uh, pollen,

1958
01:36:25,085 --> 01:36:27,665
and then that pollen gets taken to

1959
01:36:27,775 --> 01:36:30,545
that very isolated cluster of

1960
01:36:31,515 --> 01:36:33,665
let's say halco number three.

1961
01:36:34,365 --> 01:36:36,945
Uh, but, but when we're
doing, let's say halco,

1962
01:36:36,945 --> 01:36:41,705
if we had four plants, I
would then put halco 1, 2, 3,

1963
01:36:41,725 --> 01:36:44,985
and four cuttings all in one area, right?

1964
01:36:45,965 --> 01:36:49,345
So we've got the cuttings all there.

1965
01:36:49,345 --> 01:36:50,585
They're now in flower mode.

1966
01:36:50,605 --> 01:36:55,145
And then I hopefully will
have three, four halco males,

1967
01:36:55,685 --> 01:36:59,545
and I'll take all that pollen
from all four of those males

1968
01:37:00,005 --> 01:37:01,905
and then go evenly distribute

1969
01:37:01,905 --> 01:37:06,845
that over all the, uh, cuttings.
You get what I mean? Yeah.

1970
01:37:06,845 --> 01:37:08,605
- I totally follow. And
I really like the idea.

1971
01:37:08,745 --> 01:37:10,045
So I really like the idea

1972
01:37:10,045 --> 01:37:13,685
that you take the cuttings
early on when the plants in your

1973
01:37:13,685 --> 01:37:16,845
main garden are in veg, and
then you just move them away.

1974
01:37:17,045 --> 01:37:18,325
'cause honestly, before you explained

1975
01:37:18,325 --> 01:37:20,325
that you had the second
property, I was trying

1976
01:37:20,325 --> 01:37:24,125
to picture you safely
pollinating these plants in your

1977
01:37:24,125 --> 01:37:26,365
garden with all 300 land

1978
01:37:26,535 --> 01:37:27,535
- Races.

1979
01:37:27,535 --> 01:37:28,925
- And I'm like, that
sounds like hell, man.

1980
01:37:28,925 --> 01:37:31,005
That sounds impossible
to succeed, <laugh>.

1981
01:37:31,785 --> 01:37:34,965
- Oh, no, yeah, you, you,
you get pollen drift.

1982
01:37:35,645 --> 01:37:38,205
I mean, you kind of have
to treat pollen like

1983
01:37:38,735 --> 01:37:39,805
Ebola, you know, <laugh>.

1984
01:37:39,805 --> 01:37:41,725
It's like, it just gets everywhere.

1985
01:37:42,065 --> 01:37:44,645
It will find a way that the cool thing

1986
01:37:44,645 --> 01:37:47,045
that most people know though is with, uh,

1987
01:37:47,345 --> 01:37:50,805
pollen water will immediately
render it non-viable.

1988
01:37:50,805 --> 01:37:54,085
Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. So,
um, uh, that's another way

1989
01:37:54,785 --> 01:37:58,485
to get a dirty hippie to
shower a lot too, is <laugh>,

1990
01:37:58,545 --> 01:38:00,605
- Is to put him in charge
of the pollen preplan.

1991
01:38:01,185 --> 01:38:04,765
- Oh, yeah. I'll, I take 10
showers a day, if not more,

1992
01:38:04,865 --> 01:38:06,765
you know, when I'm, uh, in the middle

1993
01:38:06,765 --> 01:38:08,245
of doing breeding projects.

1994
01:38:08,865 --> 01:38:12,805
Um, but, uh, yeah, so
that's, so we do kind

1995
01:38:12,805 --> 01:38:14,405
of an open pollination,

1996
01:38:14,585 --> 01:38:18,325
but we do it on just a very small, uh,

1997
01:38:18,435 --> 01:38:20,285
with small little cuttings.

1998
01:38:20,825 --> 01:38:24,805
Um, and my understanding
at least is that those,

1999
01:38:24,895 --> 01:38:28,125
those cuttings from
those original plants are

2000
01:38:28,145 --> 01:38:29,365
the exact same genetics.

2001
01:38:29,385 --> 01:38:33,005
So those, those seeds will
be true to that plant.

2002
01:38:33,265 --> 01:38:36,565
It just makes it, uh, you
have a lot more agility

2003
01:38:36,865 --> 01:38:40,485
and easily being able to, uh, isolate

2004
01:38:40,485 --> 01:38:43,005
and move transport plants
around for breeding.

2005
01:38:44,075 --> 01:38:46,685
- Cool. So I want to, I want
to continue down this, uh,

2006
01:38:46,685 --> 01:38:48,885
this preserving path
that we've started on.

2007
01:38:49,185 --> 01:38:52,405
You know, I think a lot more
people are thinking about, um,

2008
01:38:52,825 --> 01:38:54,125
you know, land races.

2009
01:38:54,465 --> 01:38:55,485
You know, I,

2010
01:38:55,565 --> 01:38:57,725
I guess I'm gonna talk about
two levels of magnitude.

2011
01:38:58,155 --> 01:39:01,285
Generally, people are very
interested in land races

2012
01:39:01,285 --> 01:39:03,205
because, especially if
they're connoisseurs,

2013
01:39:03,235 --> 01:39:06,205
because so much of modern
cannabis takes tastes the same.

2014
01:39:06,305 --> 01:39:08,805
So the interest in land
race is increasing,

2015
01:39:09,345 --> 01:39:11,925
and they're seen as
elite and very desirable.

2016
01:39:12,145 --> 01:39:16,325
All of that's true. But also,
um, you know, as, as kind

2017
01:39:16,325 --> 01:39:19,485
of like global travel,
uh, for cannabis people,

2018
01:39:19,905 --> 01:39:21,525
you know, continues to increase.

2019
01:39:22,025 --> 01:39:24,605
And along with the technological ways

2020
01:39:24,665 --> 01:39:28,765
to tell friends about them,
we're getting experiences like,

2021
01:39:28,825 --> 01:39:31,885
uh, like recently a lot of
people watched on Instagram,

2022
01:39:32,315 --> 01:39:35,925
like, uh, you know, Kevin Jory
and Danny Montero and, um,

2023
01:39:36,105 --> 01:39:37,805
and IG land race genetics.

2024
01:39:37,805 --> 01:39:39,805
Like, they put together a group of people

2025
01:39:40,185 --> 01:39:41,765
and all went to Pakistan, right?

2026
01:39:42,105 --> 01:39:46,365
And so, um, like I was, I
was riveted by those videos

2027
01:39:46,945 --> 01:39:48,885
of, of like people who I know

2028
01:39:48,885 --> 01:39:52,485
and my friends who are like
suddenly in Pakistan places

2029
01:39:52,535 --> 01:39:55,605
where I normally only see
represented in like war

2030
01:39:55,605 --> 01:39:57,005
and terrorism movies, you know?

2031
01:39:57,465 --> 01:40:01,525
And suddenly they're all
there like wearing beards, um,

2032
01:40:01,905 --> 01:40:05,925
you know, in Pakistan and
interacting with the locals and,

2033
01:40:05,945 --> 01:40:08,565
and checking out their hash
and checking out their plants.

2034
01:40:08,665 --> 01:40:10,445
And I was all like, wow, this is great.

2035
01:40:10,475 --> 01:40:12,925
Like, like, I wasn't,
you know, on this trip,

2036
01:40:13,065 --> 01:40:15,045
but I, I feel like I, I got a bunch

2037
01:40:15,045 --> 01:40:17,085
of these experiences from the trip, right?

2038
01:40:17,105 --> 01:40:19,925
And so it just increases the meaning

2039
01:40:20,025 --> 01:40:23,645
and value of, of land race seeds

2040
01:40:23,765 --> 01:40:25,605
and genetics in my overall head.

2041
01:40:26,185 --> 01:40:27,845
And so I, I think that there's more

2042
01:40:27,845 --> 01:40:31,725
and more people who are just
interested in land races,

2043
01:40:31,725 --> 01:40:35,085
which is good, of course,
because, you know, the, the, the,

2044
01:40:35,105 --> 01:40:39,765
the land race origin areas
like Thailand specifically

2045
01:40:40,585 --> 01:40:44,885
are starting to get, um, uh,

2046
01:40:44,935 --> 01:40:47,245
we're like a bunch of our
people are bringing seeds there

2047
01:40:47,425 --> 01:40:49,725
and, and developing 'em
in Thailand, and so,

2048
01:40:49,825 --> 01:40:52,605
and so their natural land race
is getting diluted, right?

2049
01:40:52,745 --> 01:40:55,805
So all of this is to set
up this question that, um,

2050
01:40:56,065 --> 01:40:58,645
you know, I can see that
land races are going

2051
01:40:58,645 --> 01:41:00,485
to become increasingly popular,

2052
01:41:01,065 --> 01:41:04,045
and yet we already are
trying to preserve them

2053
01:41:04,185 --> 01:41:05,325
for medicinal reasons.

2054
01:41:05,905 --> 01:41:10,285
Um, I'd like to hear you speak
to the idea of preservation

2055
01:41:10,985 --> 01:41:14,245
and a, how do you think that, um,

2056
01:41:14,435 --> 01:41:16,885
land races are effectively preserved?

2057
01:41:17,585 --> 01:41:20,565
And b, do you think
there's any chance in hell

2058
01:41:20,565 --> 01:41:23,285
that we're not actually gonna
eventually lose all the land

2059
01:41:23,375 --> 01:41:26,205
races because they are a set number today?

2060
01:41:26,585 --> 01:41:29,685
And that number is likely
just probably gonna continue

2061
01:41:30,025 --> 01:41:33,885
to decrease, but maybe, maybe
I've got an, um, you know,

2062
01:41:33,885 --> 01:41:36,045
an especially jaded view of it.

2063
01:41:36,145 --> 01:41:37,525
So I know that's a big question,

2064
01:41:37,625 --> 01:41:39,085
but I'm just gonna like, hand you the

2065
01:41:39,085 --> 01:41:40,125
mic and hear what your thoughts are.

2066
01:41:40,795 --> 01:41:44,285
- Yeah, yeah. So, um, yeah, the extinction

2067
01:41:44,285 --> 01:41:47,245
through hybridization is incredibly real

2068
01:41:47,925 --> 01:41:48,965
<laugh> and it's happening.

2069
01:41:49,585 --> 01:41:54,525
Um, so yeah, a lot of people
are sounding the alarm,

2070
01:41:54,675 --> 01:41:58,285
like, Hey, we really need to
start, uh, backing these up,

2071
01:41:58,665 --> 01:42:01,165
uh, before they all go extinct, uh,

2072
01:42:01,665 --> 01:42:02,845
as far as these land races.

2073
01:42:02,905 --> 01:42:07,095
So, um, and

2074
01:42:09,175 --> 01:42:12,985
yeah, so, so yes, that
is really happening.

2075
01:42:13,205 --> 01:42:14,545
And, um, so, so the

2076
01:42:14,715 --> 01:42:17,625
- Extinction is a real concern
- Period.

2077
01:42:18,055 --> 01:42:20,065
Full stop abs. Absolutely.

2078
01:42:20,365 --> 01:42:24,505
Um, and, and it's not just,
uh, like pollen drift.

2079
01:42:25,375 --> 01:42:29,705
It's actually, you know,
folks, we're gonna get

2080
01:42:29,765 --> 01:42:31,265
to a point, I mean, we,

2081
01:42:31,475 --> 01:42:34,945
we've romanticized here in
the US we may romanticize this

2082
01:42:34,945 --> 01:42:39,025
little secluded fantasy village,
you know, in the Himalayas

2083
01:42:39,665 --> 01:42:41,265
<laugh> you hike up to,

2084
01:42:41,845 --> 01:42:44,505
and you think you're gonna
find this like amazing weeded

2085
01:42:44,505 --> 01:42:46,825
that's grown by monks or something,

2086
01:42:47,085 --> 01:42:50,625
or the whole village like
grows as magical weeded, uh,

2087
01:42:50,765 --> 01:42:52,905
and you take this trek up
there and you get up there

2088
01:42:52,965 --> 01:42:55,465
and they're like, Hey, we got cookies

2089
01:42:56,465 --> 01:42:58,145
<laugh>, and they're,

2090
01:42:58,445 --> 01:42:59,445
- We got Coca-Cola.

2091
01:43:00,015 --> 01:43:02,185
- Yeah, exactly. And
they're like, yeah, we're,

2092
01:43:02,315 --> 01:43:05,905
we're growing, uh, gelato
and diesel and og and uh,

2093
01:43:06,485 --> 01:43:08,025
- Oh, that's the kind of
cookies that you mean.

2094
01:43:08,025 --> 01:43:09,025
Ah, yeah, that's,

2095
01:43:09,145 --> 01:43:11,305
I I thought you meant like
western foods, you mean.

2096
01:43:11,485 --> 01:43:12,705
- No, no, no, no, no.

2097
01:43:12,985 --> 01:43:15,065
I mean, it may be that
they're like blasting.

2098
01:43:15,225 --> 01:43:17,505
I mean, they, it's cool,

2099
01:43:17,525 --> 01:43:20,545
but yeah, they may be
actually blasting Snoop Dogg

2100
01:43:20,545 --> 01:43:23,625
and growing, you know,
California strains Yeah.

2101
01:43:23,805 --> 01:43:26,865
Up there. And, and, uh,
we of course romanticize

2102
01:43:26,865 --> 01:43:28,625
that they're supposed to stay isolated

2103
01:43:28,685 --> 01:43:31,425
and unique, uh, when
in reality they wanna,

2104
01:43:32,015 --> 01:43:33,185
- They wanna grow the height too,

2105
01:43:33,545 --> 01:43:34,705
- <laugh>, they wanna integrate.

2106
01:43:34,805 --> 01:43:37,265
And they, they're watching
stuff in California

2107
01:43:37,405 --> 01:43:39,585
and Amsterdam thinking
that's, that's really cool.

2108
01:43:39,725 --> 01:43:42,345
Why would they wanna gra
grow their grandfather's

2109
01:43:43,085 --> 01:43:44,585
old lar fee weed <laugh>?

2110
01:43:45,805 --> 01:43:48,665
So anyway, these are just
like cultural phenomenon

2111
01:43:48,965 --> 01:43:50,465
and things that happen,

2112
01:43:50,685 --> 01:43:52,845
and then there's no judgment or anything.

2113
01:43:52,865 --> 01:43:55,005
You just have to realize that that's this,

2114
01:43:55,015 --> 01:43:56,245
these are things that happen.

2115
01:43:56,985 --> 01:44:00,475
Um, so, uh, there seems

2116
01:44:00,475 --> 01:44:04,765
to be some value in
preserving these genetics.

2117
01:44:04,765 --> 01:44:08,445
And a lot of these genetics, um, you know,

2118
01:44:08,445 --> 01:44:11,205
could go back hundreds if
not thousands of years.

2119
01:44:11,625 --> 01:44:15,725
And, uh, they're kind of, uh,
in a way almost like cultural

2120
01:44:18,025 --> 01:44:21,395
biographies or even
autobiographies from the actual

2121
01:44:21,395 --> 01:44:23,915
breeders, you know,
like antique art is too.

2122
01:44:24,625 --> 01:44:25,915
Yeah. And they're infusing.

2123
01:44:26,055 --> 01:44:30,595
So it's plant, but it's
also so infused with,

2124
01:44:30,855 --> 01:44:33,355
uh, culture's values and their stories.

2125
01:44:33,575 --> 01:44:38,115
And so, so in a way it's
almost like their, uh, cultural

2126
01:44:38,785 --> 01:44:40,475
part of their cultural story too.

2127
01:44:40,575 --> 01:44:42,915
You know, just like their
food and their seasonings

2128
01:44:42,935 --> 01:44:45,995
and dishes and, and religion,
dance and, and religion

2129
01:44:46,295 --> 01:44:49,315
and the, and the, the
cannabis is a reflection

2130
01:44:49,315 --> 01:44:52,715
of those values and aesthetics
that they've chosen for.

2131
01:44:52,935 --> 01:44:55,995
Um, so it'd just be a
super bummer to have those

2132
01:44:57,925 --> 01:45:01,215
disappear and, uh, just get hybridized

2133
01:45:01,315 --> 01:45:02,975
or, or, or such.

2134
01:45:03,435 --> 01:45:06,855
Um, and then, you know, once, once some

2135
01:45:06,855 --> 01:45:10,025
of these cultures also may
go through, like, you know,

2136
01:45:10,045 --> 01:45:14,825
the hype phase <laugh>,
there may be in like 20 years

2137
01:45:15,645 --> 01:45:18,685
all of a sudden a reinterest in,

2138
01:45:18,945 --> 01:45:20,965
in their heritage genetics.

2139
01:45:21,225 --> 01:45:23,965
And if, if someone wasn't
backing this stuff up,

2140
01:45:24,185 --> 01:45:25,405
you know, it may be gone.

2141
01:45:26,065 --> 01:45:29,985
Um, and it may be that
they actually have to look

2142
01:45:30,575 --> 01:45:34,265
outside, uh, other people who, who happen

2143
01:45:34,285 --> 01:45:37,785
to keep those genetics, you
know, in their, from their trip

2144
01:45:37,785 --> 01:45:38,945
that they took to that region.

2145
01:45:39,135 --> 01:45:41,105
They've been keeping
'em in their sock drawer

2146
01:45:41,205 --> 01:45:42,465
for the last 20 years, you know?

2147
01:45:42,525 --> 01:45:46,105
So, um, there just seems, it
doesn't seem to be negative,

2148
01:45:46,645 --> 01:45:49,305
uh, in any way by, uh, backing up

2149
01:45:49,305 --> 01:45:50,745
and preserving these genetics.

2150
01:45:50,745 --> 01:45:54,785
And it just seems like a good long view,

2151
01:45:55,765 --> 01:46:00,155
uh, strategy that there is

2152
01:46:00,845 --> 01:46:05,715
value in keeping these,
uh, genetics around

2153
01:46:06,095 --> 01:46:08,875
and preserving them if, if nothing more

2154
01:46:08,935 --> 01:46:11,075
for just historical purpose.

2155
01:46:11,415 --> 01:46:15,795
But I'd argue there's probably tons of

2156
01:46:16,585 --> 01:46:21,075
medicinal, uh, compounds
and terpene combinations

2157
01:46:21,255 --> 01:46:25,925
and such that may actually
have some real, uh,

2158
01:46:26,035 --> 01:46:29,245
medicinal value, uh,
going into the future.

2159
01:46:29,905 --> 01:46:33,725
And, uh, and then just the
effects and everything else.

2160
01:46:33,865 --> 01:46:36,605
So there's, there's a lot of incentive

2161
01:46:36,865 --> 01:46:39,085
and reason that, uh,

2162
01:46:39,085 --> 01:46:41,525
these genetics really should be backed up.

2163
01:46:41,745 --> 01:46:44,445
So, um, um, and, and,

2164
01:46:44,505 --> 01:46:47,045
and lots of different people
around the world are, are

2165
01:46:47,635 --> 01:46:50,565
playing different parts
either by, uh, gathering

2166
01:46:50,585 --> 01:46:52,365
and hunting, uh, these seeds

2167
01:46:52,365 --> 01:46:53,965
and actually just collecting them.

2168
01:46:54,505 --> 01:46:56,725
And then other people are <laugh>, sort

2169
01:46:56,725 --> 01:46:59,165
of distributing them as hubs.

2170
01:46:59,305 --> 01:47:02,005
Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, you
know, for people who are, uh,

2171
01:47:02,005 --> 01:47:06,645
interested in accessing
these genetics, um, something

2172
01:47:07,735 --> 01:47:11,745
that we've sort of toyed around
with here in, uh, Santa Cruz

2173
01:47:11,845 --> 01:47:14,225
and something that I'd, I'd
really like to be a part of

2174
01:47:14,285 --> 01:47:18,905
and even potentially work with,
uh, a larger organization,

2175
01:47:19,285 --> 01:47:21,385
uh, who has like grant money and such,

2176
01:47:21,485 --> 01:47:26,145
but to actually put together,
um, an actual cannabis, uh,

2177
01:47:26,295 --> 01:47:31,245
seed bank, like a public domain seed bank

2178
01:47:31,625 --> 01:47:35,325
to try and back up, especially,
uh, as far as land race,

2179
01:47:35,365 --> 01:47:37,245
genetics, uh, try and back up

2180
01:47:37,385 --> 01:47:39,725
and preserve as much of
those genetics as possible.

2181
01:47:39,745 --> 01:47:43,525
But then very important
philosophically, um,

2182
01:47:43,555 --> 01:47:47,085
that would be public domain
where everyone would have access

2183
01:47:47,145 --> 01:47:51,605
to these, there's no
proprietary ownership, uh, of,

2184
01:47:51,985 --> 01:47:54,605
of any of these genetics. Um, and

2185
01:47:54,605 --> 01:47:56,925
- You'd be, you'd be preserving
them for their own, right?

2186
01:47:57,105 --> 01:47:58,485
You don't mean like a seed bank,

2187
01:47:58,515 --> 01:48:00,325
like people use Seed Bank now very often

2188
01:48:00,745 --> 01:48:04,805
as just like a seed bank store
or a seed bank distributor?

2189
01:48:04,945 --> 01:48:05,965
Oh, no, no.

2190
01:48:05,965 --> 01:48:07,165
Where, where, where there's a,

2191
01:48:07,165 --> 01:48:09,445
there's the profit
Moffitt motive, primarily,

2192
01:48:09,545 --> 01:48:12,805
you're talking about a more
classical seed bank, like,

2193
01:48:12,805 --> 01:48:16,045
like those of us who
save seeds, right? Where

2194
01:48:16,045 --> 01:48:17,845
- You're, and like the, you're
- Making a library

2195
01:48:18,115 --> 01:48:19,115
- Like the seed preservation.

2196
01:48:19,435 --> 01:48:22,125
Yeah, yeah. Like the seed
preservation that's, you know,

2197
01:48:22,325 --> 01:48:24,925
going on in Norway or
wherever. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

2198
01:48:25,245 --> 01:48:28,205
- A big building that
unsurprisingly flooded <laugh>.

2199
01:48:28,595 --> 01:48:31,565
- Yeah. Yeah. So that
those kinda, uh, seed banks

2200
01:48:31,985 --> 01:48:36,685
and, uh, like here UCSC,
uh, university California,

2201
01:48:36,735 --> 01:48:39,845
Santa Cruz, um, did something else,

2202
01:48:40,375 --> 01:48:42,725
which was the Human Genome Project.

2203
01:48:42,785 --> 01:48:44,965
Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, where
they mapped the entire human

2204
01:48:44,965 --> 01:48:48,005
genome and then put that
in the public domain.

2205
01:48:48,345 --> 01:48:51,965
So they were in a race with
some of the pharmaceutical

2206
01:48:52,485 --> 01:48:54,885
companies and researchers
who wanted that information

2207
01:48:54,885 --> 01:48:56,525
to be proprietary <laugh>.

2208
01:48:57,705 --> 01:49:02,445
But, uh, UCSE in our sort of hippie

2209
01:49:03,705 --> 01:49:08,245
for the community sort of
vibes, at least UCSE, decided

2210
01:49:08,245 --> 01:49:10,365
to put that all in the public domain.

2211
01:49:10,505 --> 01:49:14,045
So as the human de genome
project, where anyone, uh,

2212
01:49:14,105 --> 01:49:16,485
can actually access, uh, that information

2213
01:49:16,905 --> 01:49:21,685
and we'd like to see in
that spirit, uh, something

2214
01:49:21,685 --> 01:49:25,285
with a cannabis, uh, c bank or library

2215
01:49:25,665 --> 01:49:30,645
or archive where everyone
would have equal access,

2216
01:49:31,225 --> 01:49:33,245
uh, to all those genetics for, you know,

2217
01:49:33,245 --> 01:49:36,965
there'd be a procedure to
obviously to, to get them,

2218
01:49:37,065 --> 01:49:39,845
but, uh, where yeah, where
they're available to everyone.

2219
01:49:40,165 --> 01:49:42,525
'cause we kind of come from the philosophy

2220
01:49:42,525 --> 01:49:44,645
that humans did not create cannabis.

2221
01:49:44,865 --> 01:49:45,925
It came from the universe.

2222
01:49:46,785 --> 01:49:51,035
And so who, who are we

2223
01:49:51,035 --> 01:49:52,075
to claim ownership?

2224
01:49:52,425 --> 01:49:54,155
It's cannabis is here for the people,

2225
01:49:54,455 --> 01:49:55,715
and the magic of it

2226
01:49:56,535 --> 01:50:01,475
is connecting more people
in a positive way, uh, with,

2227
01:50:01,985 --> 01:50:06,475
with cannabis like that, that
has the potential to actually

2228
01:50:07,245 --> 01:50:11,355
shift things in a positive
trajectory, uh, for this plant.

2229
01:50:11,375 --> 01:50:14,875
But if we're gonna start
playing these, uh, ownership,

2230
01:50:15,585 --> 01:50:18,995
proprietary exclusive, uh,

2231
01:50:19,685 --> 01:50:24,125
commercial dollar chasing
games with a plant

2232
01:50:25,025 --> 01:50:29,635
that generally <laugh> when
you consume it, <laugh> a lot

2233
01:50:29,635 --> 01:50:32,395
of times has the opposite
effect or opposite message

2234
01:50:33,195 --> 01:50:36,115
- <laugh>,
- That that would be, yeah,

2235
01:50:36,115 --> 01:50:37,275
that's definitely in the spirit

2236
01:50:37,275 --> 01:50:41,595
of just the cannabis experience,
is making things available

2237
01:50:41,935 --> 01:50:46,355
to, to everyone equal access,
share the, share the love.

2238
01:50:46,735 --> 01:50:47,875
That's beautiful. I
guess to break it down.

2239
01:50:48,145 --> 01:50:50,075
- Cool, man. Well, I, I think
that that's a great place

2240
01:50:50,075 --> 01:50:51,155
to stop on that message.

2241
01:50:51,395 --> 01:50:52,595
I really, I really love that.

2242
01:50:53,095 --> 01:50:55,995
And, and, and so Jeff, I, I
wanna, I wanna first thank you

2243
01:50:56,175 --> 01:50:57,915
for, uh, I know your time is valuable,

2244
01:50:58,175 --> 01:51:00,635
and you know, this time of
year is really busy, as,

2245
01:51:00,935 --> 01:51:02,595
as you know, you work through, you know,

2246
01:51:02,625 --> 01:51:04,675
your plants coming down
and curing and all that.

2247
01:51:05,135 --> 01:51:08,075
And so, so thank you for
making time for us, number one.

2248
01:51:08,375 --> 01:51:11,235
And then number two, I'm, I'm
really grateful, like, kind

2249
01:51:11,235 --> 01:51:13,475
of like for you as, as
your personality, you know,

2250
01:51:13,475 --> 01:51:15,035
you're such a, a chipper, easy

2251
01:51:15,135 --> 01:51:17,075
to like guy on your Instagram.

2252
01:51:17,495 --> 01:51:19,555
And, and that is exactly, you know,

2253
01:51:19,555 --> 01:51:21,675
how you showed up
authentically here today.

2254
01:51:21,755 --> 01:51:24,435
I, I, I can't imagine there's
anybody who's been listening

2255
01:51:24,455 --> 01:51:28,035
to the show who wouldn't like
a, like to hear you talk more,

2256
01:51:28,035 --> 01:51:30,915
and then b, wouldn't enjoy like,
sitting down for like lunch

2257
01:51:31,015 --> 01:51:32,315
and a chat on your deck with you.

2258
01:51:32,315 --> 01:51:34,395
You know, you're just,
you're such an amiable dude

2259
01:51:34,665 --> 01:51:35,675
with like,

2260
01:51:35,675 --> 01:51:39,555
such vast experience on
this very particular topic

2261
01:51:39,665 --> 01:51:41,035
that we all get giddy about.

2262
01:51:41,255 --> 01:51:45,475
So, so thank you for, for coming
onto shaping fire and, and,

2263
01:51:45,655 --> 01:51:47,715
and, and sharing with us your experience.

2264
01:51:48,635 --> 01:51:51,245
- Cool. Well, it's been
a, been a pleasure.

2265
01:51:51,245 --> 01:51:54,565
Thanks for the interest and, uh, yeah,

2266
01:51:54,745 --> 01:51:58,565
and some point in the future
our, our plan is to actually

2267
01:51:59,715 --> 01:52:03,965
have people come out and
visit our, our property.

2268
01:52:04,145 --> 01:52:07,245
So we can just sit there
and geek out and nerd out

2269
01:52:07,265 --> 01:52:09,645
and stand there in awe staring <laugh>

2270
01:52:09,845 --> 01:52:10,925
<laugh> amazing plants.

2271
01:52:11,105 --> 01:52:12,845
So, so that, that is the goal.

2272
01:52:13,065 --> 01:52:14,965
And, uh, with COD

2273
01:52:14,965 --> 01:52:16,965
and everything, it made
it tough to have visitors.

2274
01:52:17,425 --> 01:52:20,925
So those videos that
you've watched really is,

2275
01:52:21,065 --> 01:52:25,525
is coming from that, um, uh,
intent is actually wanting

2276
01:52:25,525 --> 01:52:28,005
to share, share these plants with others

2277
01:52:28,145 --> 01:52:30,605
and inspire others to take a closer look

2278
01:52:30,625 --> 01:52:35,085
and maybe delve in to, uh, the unlimited

2279
01:52:35,775 --> 01:52:39,285
infinitely fan, uh, amazing land,

2280
01:52:39,285 --> 01:52:40,845
race world, <laugh>.

2281
01:52:40,845 --> 01:52:41,885
- Fantastic. Alright.

2282
01:52:42,305 --> 01:52:46,005
So, so in wrapping up, dear
listener, um, if you would like

2283
01:52:46,065 --> 01:52:49,365
to, uh, keep tabs on, uh, Jeff

2284
01:52:49,545 --> 01:52:53,685
and his, uh, land race amusement
park that he runs, <laugh>,

2285
01:52:53,865 --> 01:52:57,205
um, uh, I recommend at
the top of the list, um,

2286
01:52:57,585 --> 01:53:00,645
you follow him the way I do on Instagram.

2287
01:53:00,785 --> 01:53:02,085
And so that's really easy. He's easy.

2288
01:53:02,085 --> 01:53:05,205
That's jade nectar, all one word.

2289
01:53:05,945 --> 01:53:09,125
Now, uh, that, that is an
absolute have to, if you want

2290
01:53:09,125 --> 01:53:11,525
to know more about, uh, Jeff

2291
01:53:12,265 --> 01:53:16,325
and, um, his, uh, medicinal
preparations, he is a,

2292
01:53:16,425 --> 01:53:19,205
an expert in the acid
forms of cannabinoids.

2293
01:53:19,585 --> 01:53:23,365
Uh, he even holds us patents,
which, uh, is not something

2294
01:53:23,365 --> 01:53:24,885
that we, uh, was on the topic today,

2295
01:53:24,905 --> 01:53:27,125
but he's a very interesting cat.

2296
01:53:27,305 --> 01:53:30,405
So you can find out more about that aspect

2297
01:53:30,625 --> 01:53:33,805
of his goodwill at his, at his website,

2298
01:53:33,805 --> 01:53:36,365
which is jade nectar.com.

2299
01:53:36,825 --> 01:53:39,085
And then finally, um,
if you wanna see, uh,

2300
01:53:39,085 --> 01:53:41,365
sometimes longer forms of the videos

2301
01:53:41,515 --> 01:53:45,005
that are on the Instagram,
um, you can also search, uh,

2302
01:53:45,075 --> 01:53:48,365
Jade Nectar, uh, on
YouTube, uh, for, for some

2303
01:53:48,365 --> 01:53:49,885
of the longer forms of the videos.

2304
01:53:51,205 --> 01:53:53,385
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2325
01:54:43,215 --> 01:54:44,985
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