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- This week on the RV podcast.

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- In the interview of the week,

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we have some very practical
tips from an expert on driving,

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backing up and navigating mountains

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and steep hills in an rv.

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- And a Massachusetts
couple dropped off their

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RV to get it repaired.

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The dealer then moved the RV

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to an unsecured parking
area down the street

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where it was stolen, and the
dealer basically shrugged

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and said it wasn't their problem.

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We'll explain in the news of the week,

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- Good news, the National
Park Service has abandoned its

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plan to remove the wild
horses from Theodore Roosevelt

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National Park, thanks to public pressure

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- Plus the latest in RV recalls.

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And, uh, your questions
coming up in episode 4 95

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of the RV podcast.

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- Hello everybody, I'm Mike Wendling,

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and this is my lifelong
traveling companion

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and my bride Jennifer.

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Hello, my dear. Hello

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- My Michael.

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- A couple of quick announcements.

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If you think we're really
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We only have a, you know,
a few dozen of them there

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and hundreds of them
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so we appreciate it.

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So another week and spring
has truly sprung, hasn't it?

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- It's been beautiful weather.

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Yeah, we've gotten lots
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and, uh, things are growing.

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Things are green and
up, things are blooming.

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- Now. One of the nice things
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Michigan, besides the climate,

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and it's great for
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17 blueberry pan pan plants.

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Uh, we just added, uh, we
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And actually we have more than that.

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We have some wild ones
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But who's counting? So we're
really excited about that.

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But one of the reasons we, we
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besides the fact that our
son and daughter-in-Law

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and our two of our grandkids
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cornfield from us out here in the country

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when we found 10 acres out here.

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So we love that. But we're only about

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you 30, 45 minutes from Elkhart, Indiana,

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so the RV capital of the world. So

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- We've got a trip to Elkhart this week.

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- Yeah. And, uh, we're really excited.

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We've been doing a bunch
of reviews on, um, RVs

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and some of the cool things that, uh,

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that we really like about them.

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And, uh, we are gonna review a,

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a true game changer in the
towable category in the fifth

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wheels, uh, category.

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And we'll tell you more
about that later on.

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But that's where we'll be this
week doing a, a big review

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and, uh, on, uh, probably the best

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fifth wheel out there in
the marketplace today.

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I think we can say that
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that's what we're gonna talk about.

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- Yeah. We're working on doing
some reviews on class A's

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- Yeah. And, uh, uh, amongst
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uh, our grandson played baseball
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and, uh, plotting a lot
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We've got a big one planned

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Mother's Day weekend.
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- It's gonna be fun.
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uh, uh, ship Shiwana
Indiana coming up in June,

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and then our big trip to
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but it's going to a plant-based diet.

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what pe people Oh, it's really easy.

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real meals instead of easy meals. But,

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putting a hot dog together
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Pretend chicken nuggets
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and then this, what is
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this meat substitute.

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I'm sorry. I had something
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bourbon meatballs.

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it was like eating styrofoam
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- Well, how was it? It

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- Was terrible.

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Other than that, it was
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you saw I didn't need it.

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So, anyway, um, I know
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and learn to, we don't have the time, so,

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- So we gotta hire a chef. That's it.

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- That's the secret. Yeah.

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So quick subscribe more, get more.

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We need more, get us more
sponsors. Um, it is just a hassle.

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what you've always said is
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portion control, um, maybe a little bit

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of no fastest no junk, uh, move,

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move more and, uh, do the math.

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and how many you need a day.

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It's all very simple. You just have

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to have a few cal calories less than

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what you need to maintain your weight.

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- I don't think it's so simple anymore,

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because it used to be if I
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all I had to do was I knew the meals.

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If I ate those meals, I would lose weight.

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- It is harder the older

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It's, uh, yeah, it used
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to get a couple pounds off
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as we have researched
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and how bad the food in America is.

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You know, uh, and we've watched all,

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you probably have seen some
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and it doesn't make any
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or whether it's VE vegetables.

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which you shouldn't eat at all, right?

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Next to these animal feedlots.

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You know, it's, I don't
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but it's not gonna be enough.

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and I'm, I'm getting
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- Think it, it's hard to
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- Just, don't ask
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meatballs anymore.

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It, I didn't even taste
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It was terrible. But anyway, oh, you

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- If you pour some real bourbon

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on, I probably could've handled it.

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But, uh, hey, quick programming note,

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if you're watching this on
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uh, or I'm sorry, uh, if you're
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the Amazon Live will feature us again,

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we'll be doing on Amazon
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and a bunch of cool camping products.

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We sort of, uh, unbox them
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it's really simple.

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Go to amazon.com/live/rv lifestyle.

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Be there at seven o'clock
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You can go later than that.
You can watch the replay of it.

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Hey, we should tell you we
love getting your emails.

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You can reach us at Mike
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- So this is the big question.

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After a week of your plant-based

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diet, how much weight have you lost?

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I've lost zero, but I haven't
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That'd be like a hundred
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But two pounds. And, uh, I have been 90%,

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I would say maybe not.

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of popcorn at our
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and it had way too much salt in it,

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but, um, I've been doing pretty
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people are gonna get bored
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we're just gonna cut back, eat
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and eat a lot more veggies
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or I am, I say we, I am
Jennifer's doing just fine.

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But, but anyway, I can't
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and everybody has the potluck.

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- That is, you would
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I I could do that in a
night. <laugh>. All right.

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- Welcome back everybody. Time
now for the social media buzz

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- And our Wendy Boyer reports
on the hot issues most talked

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about this past week on social media

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and our RV Lifestyle Community group.

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- Hi, everybody. Over in
the RV lifestyle general

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discussion space.

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Angela asked, where do
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and how do you keep the bed up

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so you can store things under it?

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Well, for that, keeping
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Lynette suggested she
invest in some high quality,

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stronger hydraulic arms.

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Not a hard thing to do.

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Replace the old ones, get some new ones.

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And Lynette said it makes a
huge difference with lifting.

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And then for the shoes, lots
of people weighed in on that.

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Scott suggested Angela get
some hanging canvas pockets

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and just put 'em along the base of the bed

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and get maybe about a
dozen pairs in that way.

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Kathy said that she got some
white racks from Walmart,

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the kind that you might
put in your kitchen.

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She put 'em at the base of
her bed in a shelf there,

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and that gave her some
instant shoe storage.

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And then Ari and Jessie, they
suggested just getting one

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of those shoe organizers that
you can hang over a door.

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Sounds like that's worked well for them

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also in the community, in the
apps and planning tool space.

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Uh, there was a question from me.

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Uh, I hate to admit it, but it was for me.

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And so my question was,
last week we had loves on

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and we talked about how you
can get 10 cents off a gallon

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by using their app.

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And so I was wondering what other

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fuel saving apps are there out there

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that people are using to save money?

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And there were so many
people that responded

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with helpful information.

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I had to share it with you.

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Um, the number one app that came up over

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and over again was Gas Buddy.

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People said they rely on that
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to find the closest gas station
that had the best price.

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And many people pair that
with an app called Upside.

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Upside is an app where you
use scan your gas receipts

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and sounds like some
other things qualify too.

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And then you get cash back on items

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that you like real cash back.

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It can go to your PayPal
account, your checking account.

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There's different ways you can set it up,

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and it's for items that
you would buy anyway.

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Um, some people said

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that this just was really worth getting.

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Um, other things that
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different gas station apps.

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Chevron, for instance, someone
mentioned that you sign up,

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he was getting a dollar off
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Phillips by using their app.

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Um, and then of course,
shell, Costco, Kroger,

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all those places have discounts.

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Uh, good Sams, a lot of
people got use that app

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and combined it for a discount
at Pilot and Flying Jays.

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And then Open Roads is
what seemed to come up

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as the number one option for
those, um, who need the diesel.

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So good information.

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If you're looking to save a
little money at the fuel pump,

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you need to check out that post.

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And then meanwhile over
at our Facebook group,

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we had a question from Ro.

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Ro wanted to know what
people thought was best

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for putting down the black tank
to break up waste material.

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Sounds like Rose tried
a few different things,

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still not sure found the best item

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and wanted people's opinion.

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And you know, we get this
question a lot on Facebook.

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It's every week at least
it's a common question.

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And so, um, I thought I'd share it.

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The number one brands
that came up in this post

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were used either unique
RV Digest or Happy Camper.

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Lots of people have great
success with those two options.

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Many also have their own
homemade remedy, the geo method.

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Some people use different
combinations of things.

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Dawn soap seems to be a common ingredient.

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Um, but the thing that came
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important to remember, is

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that your black tank
is not a septic field.

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So things are not breaking down.

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They're rather being held
there until you dump.

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And so a lot of people said, remember that

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and then use tons of water,
water, water, water, water,

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because you need to make
it so that things can,

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let's say, move.

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Um, and water is the way
that's gonna make that happen.

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So good post. And, uh,
that's it for me this week.

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I'm Wendy Bower, and I'll see
you either at the RV lifestyle

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community or Facebook group.

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- Okay. What a wide variety
of topics from the topic

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that never seems to get old is trying to

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break up waste in the black tank.

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Where to put your shoes in an rv,

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which really is a big deal
if you have a lot of shoes,

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or most people have at least several pairs

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of shoes where to store those shoes.

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And then of course, gas prices.

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So there's so much you can learn.

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- Yeah. You know, you need
boots, you need hiking shoes,

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you need sneakers.

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And if you're gonna be
on a long-term trip,

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you need some halfway
nice dress shoes as well.

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That's a lot of shoes for people.
And that's minimum, right?

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- Yes.
- Okay. Um, hey, uh, our social media, uh,

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RV Lifestyle Community
Group has been really fun.

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We've been doing live streams
there, uh, on a weekly basis.

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Now, I know many of
you watch us on YouTube

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and Facebook on our Ask Us
anything on Sunday nights.

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But on Monday nights, we've
been doing live streams on

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the RV lifestyle community.

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And what I like about that is
we actually bring guests on,

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guests and experts,

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and we're able to, we did
one this past week, uh,

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with Mark Kemp from Campfire
or campground views.com,

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and Mark did a demo on
how to pick a campsite

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and, uh, get a a reservation.

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And we'll be having lots more.

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So it's another recent for you
to go subscribe to the, uh,

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our community dot rv lifestyle.com.

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Alright, when we come back,

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we're gonna talk about driving
an rv, uh, the challenges

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of driving an rv, some
tips on how to do it,

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and why attending a RV
driving school is a good idea

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for any RV or stay with us.

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We just heard about a
land offering out west

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for RVs in Arizona.

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They're selling five acre RV ranches,

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starting at only $49,900.

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The company offering it is affiliated

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with the people Jennifer

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and I bought our Tennessee property from.

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They do a great job. It looks amazing.

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It is at high elevation, so
you get cooler temperatures,

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big mountain views, juniper
trees, and green grasses.

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And it is near everything.

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The Grand Canyon Lake Havasu, Kingman,

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Flagstaff, and Sedona.

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It's a perfect place to have a home base

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to explore the west, and it
is right off Famous Route 66.

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It's called Greenwood Ranches.

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And this is the second and
final section of the community.

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We met the sales manager, really nice guy.

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He bought a property for his rv

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and he's building a container home on it.

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Check out their website for a video tour

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and showing availability.

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It's pretty incredible.

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Visit the website to get details

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and set up a showing Arizona RV land.net.

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That's Arizona RV land.net.

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And welcome back. It's time now

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for the RV interview of the week.

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- Okay. We regularly
have questions, uh, from

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RVs talking about their challenges,
backing into a campsite,

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handling certain roads

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and road conditions,
navigating steep hills.

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And this observation got us to wondering

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who could benefit from going
to an RV driving school.

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And the answer we have
since learned is everyone.

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- Our guest today is George Mailman.

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He is the owner of RV Driving School now.

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It's been around a long time.

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It's a national organization

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and it's been teaching RVers how

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to be better drivers since 1991.

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Well, today, George is going
to share some practical

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RV driving tips that we
think everybody should hear.

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Well, George, welcome to the podcast.

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Let's, uh, start by talking
about who should, uh,

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go to a RV driving school.

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Uh, give us an idea of, uh, why,

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who this is really aimed at.

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- You know, Mike, it, it,

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it basically is aimed at just
about anybody that actually,

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you know, has one of these large vehicles.

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You know, the problem we've seen,

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and I think everybody is
aware of it, matter of fact,

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truckers are quite quick
to acknowledge the problem

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whenever they get, see some

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of these people out on the highway.

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But, you know, the
problem is been, you know,

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for the last many years, uh,
since RV's have become popular,

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and especially since they've
got to be very large,

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they're tall, they're wide, they're long,

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and in many cases, very, very heavy.

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Uh, with a real, that is a reality.

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Whether you're talking about
somebody just rolling out of

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that dealership or whether
they're, they've been on the road

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for a period of time, and
then health issues become,

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you know, something of a concern.

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But you know, when, when the
realization is, you know,

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that they really need some
professional help, that's

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what we've been providing.

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We view what we do as a
service to the industry.

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The industry, uh, doesn't
always acknowledge us,

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nor they really appreciate us.

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But there's a certain
reality that, that the people

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who are out there, the
folks who will go out

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and spend in many cases,
a lot of money, uh,

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really need, you know, professional help.

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And we have that, uh,
we started the school

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with the understanding that,
that the help was needed.

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And, uh, then we went out

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and sought the people who
can, you know, provide

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that, uh, help.

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- Let me, let me start
with the typical RV owner,

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and I'm gonna maybe judge on my experience

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because we never really towed anything

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other than a small trailer.

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And suddenly I've got
a 35 foot fifth wheel.

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And, um, you know, they
give you a walkthrough

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and they give you the keys
and they say, bye <laugh>.

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And, uh, I was totally unprepared for it.

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And I, I'm wondering if
maybe stepping even back

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before the driving school,
if the industry needs

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to take a little bit
more responsibility here

491
00:21:59,165 --> 00:22:02,565
before sending people
out on what ends up being

492
00:22:02,565 --> 00:22:04,205
with a tow vehicle as large

493
00:22:04,205 --> 00:22:06,125
as a semi tractor trailer on the road.

494
00:22:06,905 --> 00:22:10,685
- You bet. Well, the
need is there, you know,

495
00:22:10,685 --> 00:22:11,725
it, it's apparent.

496
00:22:12,505 --> 00:22:15,285
And the problem again,
is that first of all,

497
00:22:15,355 --> 00:22:18,565
they will not acknowledge
any kind of responsibility.

498
00:22:18,835 --> 00:22:22,005
They're very, very concerned
about moving product

499
00:22:22,745 --> 00:22:25,165
rather than concerned after the fact.

500
00:22:25,745 --> 00:22:29,085
And it's a sad commentary,
Mike, on, you know, the industry

501
00:22:29,495 --> 00:22:30,805
where we're at right now,

502
00:22:31,585 --> 00:22:35,765
and, you know, we've been for
30 some years, uh, you know,

503
00:22:36,595 --> 00:22:39,485
basically providing the service we provid,

504
00:22:39,545 --> 00:22:41,725
we know folks need, uh,

505
00:22:41,995 --> 00:22:43,245
- Tell, tell us about that.

506
00:22:43,295 --> 00:22:46,005
Where are you located?
How do people find you?

507
00:22:46,305 --> 00:22:49,485
Uh, what's the cost
involved? What do they learn?

508
00:22:49,915 --> 00:22:52,285
- Well, right now we have 107 instructors.

509
00:22:52,335 --> 00:22:55,085
We're scattered all
over the continental US,

510
00:22:55,435 --> 00:22:57,165
also in Alaska and Hawaii.

511
00:22:57,985 --> 00:23:00,285
But, you know, my big objective was get

512
00:23:00,305 --> 00:23:03,805
to get instructors at
least in the vicinities of,

513
00:23:04,065 --> 00:23:08,165
or where people conceivably
would need the, the assistance

514
00:23:09,025 --> 00:23:11,765
so that, that started, uh, you know,

515
00:23:11,765 --> 00:23:14,405
and we've been quite
successful in getting the,

516
00:23:14,625 --> 00:23:17,005
the business spread out across the us.

517
00:23:18,385 --> 00:23:21,285
Uh, most of our instructors
are either retired

518
00:23:21,285 --> 00:23:24,765
professionals, uh, they
can be truck drivers.

519
00:23:25,705 --> 00:23:30,285
Um, but again, we insist on,
you know, uh, a quality product

520
00:23:30,825 --> 00:23:32,525
or a quality service.

521
00:23:33,105 --> 00:23:35,725
And the only way that we
can get it is to have people

522
00:23:35,865 --> 00:23:38,085
who have, you know, that experience

523
00:23:38,545 --> 00:23:40,925
and clear, you know,
clear understanding of

524
00:23:40,925 --> 00:23:42,645
what heavy vehicles are. Uh,

525
00:23:42,745 --> 00:23:46,845
- So what do you teach, uh,
RV owners at your school?

526
00:23:46,845 --> 00:23:49,325
Mm-Hmm. And I assume they
bring their own RVs to you?

527
00:23:50,225 --> 00:23:52,205
- Yes, definitely. And that's one

528
00:23:52,205 --> 00:23:54,485
of the reasons why we've
been so successful.

529
00:23:54,985 --> 00:23:56,525
You know, people can get an RV

530
00:23:56,585 --> 00:23:58,925
or a video, they can get a book, you know,

531
00:23:58,925 --> 00:24:00,205
and they can, you know, go through that.

532
00:24:00,825 --> 00:24:04,245
But what we provide is
somebody in the passenger seat,

533
00:24:04,665 --> 00:24:07,285
you know, with that experience
to critique what they do,

534
00:24:08,105 --> 00:24:10,525
aid them in, you know,
the relevant factors

535
00:24:10,825 --> 00:24:13,525
as they actually, uh, go out on the road.

536
00:24:14,465 --> 00:24:18,045
Our two hour, four hour,
uh, experience for, uh,

537
00:24:18,665 --> 00:24:22,885
at least one individual is that, uh, um,

538
00:24:23,465 --> 00:24:26,725
you know, they, they do a lot
of slow driving the first day,

539
00:24:26,785 --> 00:24:29,205
and then the second day
we step them up into

540
00:24:29,345 --> 00:24:33,125
and onto freeways and get them
into difficult situations.

541
00:24:33,705 --> 00:24:36,005
- I'm wondering what
exact skills they learn.

542
00:24:36,265 --> 00:24:38,125
Uh, I, I would assume for starters,

543
00:24:38,125 --> 00:24:40,005
they learn about backing up

544
00:24:40,065 --> 00:24:42,445
and making terms, <laugh>
making wide terms.

545
00:24:42,545 --> 00:24:44,165
- Oh, absolutely. And,

546
00:24:44,265 --> 00:24:48,165
and Mike, there, there's a
certain reality too with the, uh,

547
00:24:48,455 --> 00:24:50,005
about the people who come to us.

548
00:24:50,895 --> 00:24:53,625
Some of them have been in a
class B for a period of time,

549
00:24:53,765 --> 00:24:55,985
and they're really
stepping up into a class A.

550
00:24:56,695 --> 00:25:00,745
Some of the people are going
from a up to a class C.

551
00:25:01,445 --> 00:25:05,825
Uh, so much of what we do is
adapting to what they do have

552
00:25:06,125 --> 00:25:08,105
as far as driving background,

553
00:25:08,645 --> 00:25:11,345
and then make sure that,
you know, that critique of

554
00:25:11,565 --> 00:25:14,065
how do you make corners,
as you pointed out,

555
00:25:14,445 --> 00:25:16,945
how do you ingress and
egress from a freeway?

556
00:25:17,805 --> 00:25:22,225
How do you, uh, uh, handle
in a driving situations?

557
00:25:22,765 --> 00:25:25,465
Our lessons, though are 90%

558
00:25:25,725 --> 00:25:29,105
behind the wheel on the road moving, uh,

559
00:25:29,205 --> 00:25:30,985
and we adapt to what the,

560
00:25:31,165 --> 00:25:32,625
the experience is of the individual.

561
00:25:33,565 --> 00:25:35,545
So many of the people though, come to us

562
00:25:35,605 --> 00:25:38,425
and they've never driven
anything bigger than an SUV,

563
00:25:38,485 --> 00:25:39,705
the family, SUV,

564
00:25:40,085 --> 00:25:42,745
- Uh, what are the, the
minimal skills that they

565
00:25:43,335 --> 00:25:45,785
walk away from RV driving school with?

566
00:25:46,165 --> 00:25:48,945
- We would expect that
they are then at the end

567
00:25:48,945 --> 00:25:51,065
of the lesson, a quote, safe driver.

568
00:25:52,215 --> 00:25:55,545
They now know, you know,
things like the proper setup

569
00:25:55,565 --> 00:25:57,945
of the mirrors is as mundane as it is.

570
00:25:58,605 --> 00:26:00,705
How are the mirrors
supposed to be set up so

571
00:26:00,705 --> 00:26:04,665
that you can get maximum,
uh, assistance from them?

572
00:26:05,445 --> 00:26:09,025
It can be, you know, the backing
that you allude alluded to

573
00:26:09,735 --> 00:26:12,505
some of the people,
especially those with tr uh,

574
00:26:12,815 --> 00:26:13,905
trailered vehicles.

575
00:26:14,645 --> 00:26:17,785
Oh my God, they've probably
had some very negative

576
00:26:17,785 --> 00:26:21,265
experiences and, uh,
frustrating experiences.

577
00:26:22,045 --> 00:26:23,945
So what we basically say is, we,

578
00:26:24,005 --> 00:26:27,105
we will give you the
principles associated with how

579
00:26:27,105 --> 00:26:28,105
to do this properly.

580
00:26:28,965 --> 00:26:32,705
We will also instruct you on
how to be a director outside

581
00:26:32,705 --> 00:26:34,785
of the vehicle directing that backend.

582
00:26:35,725 --> 00:26:36,825
But that's an example.

583
00:26:37,645 --> 00:26:40,425
Uh, probably the most
important thing that is done

584
00:26:40,425 --> 00:26:42,385
during the typical lesson though,

585
00:26:42,885 --> 00:26:44,725
and I view it as a ate raw.

586
00:26:44,905 --> 00:26:47,325
It is, whenever we go
through, how do you deal

587
00:26:47,325 --> 00:26:51,605
with driving in mountains,
you know, just about everybody

588
00:26:51,605 --> 00:26:54,885
that goes out and buys one of
these big expensive vehicles,

589
00:26:55,225 --> 00:26:57,525
you know, they have the desire to travel.

590
00:26:58,585 --> 00:27:00,365
And of course, whenever they're traveling,

591
00:27:00,365 --> 00:27:04,565
and if they're going to places
like Moab, Utah, uh, Mike,

592
00:27:04,565 --> 00:27:07,525
they're gonna have to have
some basic understanding of how

593
00:27:07,525 --> 00:27:11,885
to keep that vehicle
under control on a 5%,

594
00:27:12,025 --> 00:27:13,605
6%, 8% grade.

595
00:27:14,425 --> 00:27:16,765
But it's more than that.
It's, uh, going up a hill,

596
00:27:16,985 --> 00:27:18,005
uh, going up a hill.

597
00:27:18,005 --> 00:27:21,365
If you have a, a stressed vehicle, uh,

598
00:27:21,365 --> 00:27:23,565
there's a terrific amount of heat buildup.

599
00:27:23,625 --> 00:27:27,965
How do you deal with that?
So much of the tail end

600
00:27:27,965 --> 00:27:30,085
of the lesson is based around, you know,

601
00:27:30,185 --> 00:27:31,205
the mountain driving.

602
00:27:32,115 --> 00:27:34,765
This is probably the most
important thing from a

603
00:27:34,835 --> 00:27:36,605
overall concern level.

604
00:27:37,685 --> 00:27:40,805
I have, uh, with people,
you know, going out

605
00:27:40,805 --> 00:27:41,965
and buying these rigs.

606
00:27:42,625 --> 00:27:44,405
Yes, we don't want 'em to climb curbs.

607
00:27:44,425 --> 00:27:46,045
We don't want 'em to, uh, get,

608
00:27:46,145 --> 00:27:49,405
get into a compromised
situation, uh, you know,

609
00:27:49,405 --> 00:27:50,485
at the intersection.

610
00:27:51,135 --> 00:27:53,565
- Maybe I could steal some
of your knowledge just

611
00:27:53,565 --> 00:27:55,805
to ask you a couple quick
questions and some tips.

612
00:27:56,415 --> 00:28:00,365
First of all, what is the,
the safest highway speed

613
00:28:00,435 --> 00:28:05,205
that you should, what,
what's a good speed to shoot

614
00:28:05,225 --> 00:28:07,285
for when you're driving
down an interstate,

615
00:28:07,545 --> 00:28:10,165
towing a fifth wheel or
a a a travel trailer?

616
00:28:10,835 --> 00:28:13,725
What do you recommend?
Other than safe speed,

617
00:28:13,725 --> 00:28:14,765
obviously, but yes,

618
00:28:15,105 --> 00:28:16,605
- You, you bet, you bet.

619
00:28:17,185 --> 00:28:18,365
Uh, first of all,

620
00:28:18,385 --> 00:28:22,285
if you're gonna get maximum
economy just about every, uh,

621
00:28:22,705 --> 00:28:27,085
RV on the road right now, 55
to 62 is gonna give you about

622
00:28:27,085 --> 00:28:29,285
as good a economy as you're gonna get.

623
00:28:30,035 --> 00:28:32,215
Uh, so that's, that's
something to start with.

624
00:28:32,955 --> 00:28:36,335
Uh, 65 to 70 is absolute max.

625
00:28:37,155 --> 00:28:38,295
Uh, these things,

626
00:28:39,035 --> 00:28:40,735
and I had it best described to me

627
00:28:40,795 --> 00:28:42,935
by an engineer from Caterpillar

628
00:28:43,335 --> 00:28:45,895
whenever they were still
in the RV business.

629
00:28:45,995 --> 00:28:49,055
And he, his comment was,
George, do, do you understand

630
00:28:49,055 --> 00:28:53,855
that these are fiberglass boxes
installed on a steel frame?

631
00:28:54,885 --> 00:28:57,215
They are not, you know, made like a truck

632
00:28:57,315 --> 00:28:58,815
for commercial operation.

633
00:28:59,675 --> 00:29:03,255
Uh, and the idea that you
go over 70 miles an hour

634
00:29:03,315 --> 00:29:06,335
and any one of them is, is, well,

635
00:29:06,335 --> 00:29:07,615
I'll be blunt, it's unsafe.

636
00:29:08,435 --> 00:29:12,095
- And, and so many people,
uh, say, well, you know,

637
00:29:12,115 --> 00:29:14,415
I'm going 65, 60 miles an hour,

638
00:29:15,075 --> 00:29:16,735
and I'm getting dirty signal,

639
00:29:16,945 --> 00:29:18,575
dirty hand signals from people,

640
00:29:18,675 --> 00:29:20,215
and they're honking their horns.

641
00:29:20,915 --> 00:29:24,655
Um, and, and I just feel I have
to go faster just to stay up

642
00:29:24,655 --> 00:29:28,615
with traffic and help
me address those people

643
00:29:28,915 --> 00:29:30,815
who are driving too fast. Um,

644
00:29:31,085 --> 00:29:34,715
- Well, and, and incidentally,
I'm glad you brought it up

645
00:29:34,715 --> 00:29:36,995
because, you know, this is probably one

646
00:29:36,995 --> 00:29:39,355
of the most difficult
thing, especially for,

647
00:29:39,905 --> 00:29:41,805
well guys, let's be honest.

648
00:29:42,465 --> 00:29:45,485
Uh, what have we, what have
we done since we were born?

649
00:29:45,625 --> 00:29:49,565
We, we go faster. We wanna
go faster. It's an objective.

650
00:29:50,185 --> 00:29:52,805
Now, I'm gonna tell you right
away, part of the lesson

651
00:29:53,585 --> 00:29:56,685
is you have to realize
you're in the big leagues.

652
00:29:56,785 --> 00:30:00,005
Now, this is not, you
know, you're, you're, um,

653
00:30:00,835 --> 00:30:02,325
Porsche out down the road.

654
00:30:02,865 --> 00:30:06,525
Uh, 70 is absolute max
with these vehicles.

655
00:30:06,745 --> 00:30:11,125
Now, uh, whether it's at an
intersection where people are,

656
00:30:11,545 --> 00:30:15,205
uh, what unhappy whenever you
can't complete a corn corner

657
00:30:15,555 --> 00:30:19,765
because somebody is obstructing
your, your completion

658
00:30:19,765 --> 00:30:23,325
of the corner, or whether
it is the individual's upset

659
00:30:23,325 --> 00:30:26,565
with you as you're crossing
on northern part of Texas,

660
00:30:26,745 --> 00:30:30,045
and the speed limit is 80
and you're doing 70, uh,

661
00:30:30,065 --> 00:30:33,725
and they're passing you to
120, you know, it's very hard

662
00:30:33,745 --> 00:30:35,525
to emotionally deal with it.

663
00:30:36,585 --> 00:30:40,405
But my, I had a student
one time a while ago, and,

664
00:30:41,225 --> 00:30:45,285
and his point was, um,
uh, never drive from

665
00:30:45,285 --> 00:30:46,765
behind was what he told me.

666
00:30:46,765 --> 00:30:48,565
And I thought, what, what
are you talking about?

667
00:30:49,335 --> 00:30:52,365
Drive from behind? And what
he basically was saying

668
00:30:52,505 --> 00:30:57,285
and what his message to all
in the class was, you know,

669
00:30:57,305 --> 00:31:01,445
you cannot be influenced to
do things that are unsafe by

670
00:31:01,475 --> 00:31:04,245
what people may be reacting to you.

671
00:31:05,105 --> 00:31:07,525
Uh, you know, are they
gesturing toward you,

672
00:31:07,875 --> 00:31:11,405
perhaps not very nicely
or honking their horn?

673
00:31:11,505 --> 00:31:14,725
And, and in some cases, uh,

674
00:31:15,225 --> 00:31:16,685
not making it very comfortable.

675
00:31:17,505 --> 00:31:20,125
But the reality is, uh, your vehicle,

676
00:31:20,395 --> 00:31:22,365
your safety is paramount.

677
00:31:22,985 --> 00:31:25,885
And one of the things that
I insist that we talk about,

678
00:31:25,885 --> 00:31:27,085
whether it's in a seminar

679
00:31:27,305 --> 00:31:29,405
or whether it's behind
the wheel instruction,

680
00:31:30,065 --> 00:31:32,245
is your safety is paramount.

681
00:31:32,905 --> 00:31:36,085
Now, somebody on the
outside may be critiquing

682
00:31:36,085 --> 00:31:37,725
what you're doing or not doing,

683
00:31:38,505 --> 00:31:42,565
but you cannot be influenced
by that to make some,

684
00:31:43,545 --> 00:31:45,015
let's be honest, stupid moves.

685
00:31:45,445 --> 00:31:46,895
- Good for you. I'm glad to hear that.

686
00:31:47,355 --> 00:31:50,655
And that will help me as,
uh, as his tendency is

687
00:31:50,655 --> 00:31:53,015
to go faster and not to monitor it.

688
00:31:53,215 --> 00:31:56,575
'cause they're very easy to,
to the next question, um,

689
00:31:56,865 --> 00:31:58,735
about, uh, RV driving school.

690
00:31:58,915 --> 00:32:01,455
And again, we want, we'll put
all the information on how

691
00:32:01,455 --> 00:32:04,215
to contact you and, uh,
get into the RV driving.

692
00:32:04,235 --> 00:32:06,135
So we'll put that in the
description below the link.

693
00:32:06,195 --> 00:32:08,095
But, um, backing up,

694
00:32:08,715 --> 00:32:11,375
and I know that's a skill
that you have to practice,

695
00:32:11,515 --> 00:32:14,975
but do you have just a couple
little tips you could pass

696
00:32:14,975 --> 00:32:17,935
along to people about
backing a a, a fifth wheel

697
00:32:17,935 --> 00:32:20,055
or a large trailer into a campsite?

698
00:32:21,015 --> 00:32:24,235
- You bet probably the,
uh, the bumper tows

699
00:32:24,335 --> 00:32:29,315
or the towed vehicles are
probably the most problematic.

700
00:32:30,415 --> 00:32:33,155
And the first tip is, first of all, pull

701
00:32:34,505 --> 00:32:35,675
very far forward

702
00:32:36,095 --> 00:32:37,875
and angle your vehicle out

703
00:32:38,495 --> 00:32:40,585
as you start the backend activity.

704
00:32:41,525 --> 00:32:44,825
The next thing is, and, and
what I tell my guys is that,

705
00:32:45,285 --> 00:32:48,465
and incidentally we have women
who are also instructors,

706
00:32:48,965 --> 00:32:51,305
but I tell them, you know,
that the first thing you need

707
00:32:51,305 --> 00:32:53,345
to do is keep the temperature down.

708
00:32:54,405 --> 00:32:56,665
In other words, don't
be emotionally driven

709
00:32:56,735 --> 00:32:59,705
because you know those, that
trailer's gonna do something

710
00:32:59,705 --> 00:33:02,465
that's wrong or at least
you're not gonna be happy with.

711
00:33:03,125 --> 00:33:05,105
And I want, first thing I want is you,

712
00:33:05,305 --> 00:33:06,825
I don't want you to overreact.

713
00:33:07,665 --> 00:33:09,565
So what I say, say to the instructor

714
00:33:09,565 --> 00:33:13,245
during the learning exercise, uh, go up,

715
00:33:14,105 --> 00:33:17,205
put your hand on the
external rear view mirror.

716
00:33:17,945 --> 00:33:22,765
And that is a little psychology
here, uh, to again, note

717
00:33:22,765 --> 00:33:24,285
that we are in control

718
00:33:24,425 --> 00:33:27,045
and that you're not about
to do anything foolish.

719
00:33:27,765 --> 00:33:29,445
I tell the person to roll down the window

720
00:33:29,505 --> 00:33:32,245
and I say, put your hand on the
bottom of the steering wheel

721
00:33:32,985 --> 00:33:34,565
if it's a left back end.

722
00:33:35,585 --> 00:33:37,365
In other words, you're backing into a spot

723
00:33:37,365 --> 00:33:39,205
that is on the left side of the vehicle.

724
00:33:40,125 --> 00:33:43,165
I see. I want you to start
moving that vehicle backward

725
00:33:43,585 --> 00:33:47,005
and moving your hand in
a left wise direction.

726
00:33:47,025 --> 00:33:51,405
In other words, moving the
steering wheel in a, uh, uh,

727
00:33:52,545 --> 00:33:55,125
uh, um, clockwise direction.

728
00:33:56,145 --> 00:33:59,925
And as that vehicle is moving
backward in a very slow

729
00:34:00,025 --> 00:34:04,125
manner, at one point, the
trailer is now established

730
00:34:04,345 --> 00:34:07,205
as into the spot that you're aiming at.

731
00:34:08,025 --> 00:34:10,965
The next thing I say to the,
uh, person, I say, stop.

732
00:34:12,005 --> 00:34:14,085
I don't mean slow down. I mean, stop.

733
00:34:15,045 --> 00:34:17,445
I want you to think, now I
want you to put your hand

734
00:34:17,465 --> 00:34:19,125
to the top of the steering wheel,

735
00:34:19,985 --> 00:34:24,085
and now I want you to start
or continue moving backward.

736
00:34:24,505 --> 00:34:26,325
But I want you, uh, from the top

737
00:34:26,325 --> 00:34:27,765
of the steering wheel once again

738
00:34:27,785 --> 00:34:30,325
to move your hand in
a left wise direction.

739
00:34:32,155 --> 00:34:35,575
The person, periodically, I
have to look out through the

740
00:34:36,155 --> 00:34:38,095
window and see what's happening,

741
00:34:38,095 --> 00:34:40,935
because the pickup is
now starting to follow

742
00:34:41,835 --> 00:34:43,895
the trailer into the spot.

743
00:34:44,875 --> 00:34:46,895
So that's the top of the wheel.

744
00:34:46,895 --> 00:34:51,135
Bottom of the wheel technique
is something that, uh, and,

745
00:34:51,195 --> 00:34:53,735
and it, it's like riding a bike, Mike.

746
00:34:53,875 --> 00:34:56,335
Uh, the reality is I can say and,

747
00:34:56,515 --> 00:34:58,295
and tell them about the principles.

748
00:34:58,775 --> 00:35:01,535
I can aid them through
the, uh, teaching process.

749
00:35:02,315 --> 00:35:04,455
And all our people will do a dandy job

750
00:35:04,555 --> 00:35:06,615
of explaining just what I talked about.

751
00:35:07,555 --> 00:35:10,735
But the reality is they
are gonna need to practice.

752
00:35:11,235 --> 00:35:13,415
And sometimes it's gonna
create a little bit

753
00:35:13,415 --> 00:35:15,455
of a stir if it's at an RV park

754
00:35:15,775 --> 00:35:18,175
whenever you exercising what I just said.

755
00:35:18,795 --> 00:35:19,895
But you're gonna miss it.

756
00:35:20,195 --> 00:35:22,495
You're gonna have a time
whenever you have to pull forward

757
00:35:22,875 --> 00:35:24,695
and perhaps start all over again.

758
00:35:25,915 --> 00:35:28,495
But the reality is,
those are the important

759
00:35:28,715 --> 00:35:32,455
and relevant points for
a trailered backend.

760
00:35:32,765 --> 00:35:34,495
- Alright, now I wanna take you to

761
00:35:34,495 --> 00:35:35,815
what you mentioned a minute ago,

762
00:35:36,485 --> 00:35:39,645
just some general information
about climbing a mountain

763
00:35:39,785 --> 00:35:41,845
and coming down a mountain
while you're towing.

764
00:35:43,225 --> 00:35:47,245
- You know, first of all, going
up a mountain, probably in,

765
00:35:47,265 --> 00:35:49,885
in many cases, the difficult thing,

766
00:35:50,225 --> 00:35:52,445
and especially for us
guys, I'm picking on guys,

767
00:35:53,265 --> 00:35:56,685
but you know, you wanna, you
know, get around the trucks

768
00:35:56,685 --> 00:35:59,285
that are, you know,
lollygagging up the hill.

769
00:35:59,945 --> 00:36:03,405
And the reality is, especially
if you have a very heavy load

770
00:36:03,465 --> 00:36:05,885
behind you, IE it's a pickup

771
00:36:06,105 --> 00:36:10,405
and you've got a 35 to 38
to 40 foot, uh, trailer

772
00:36:10,425 --> 00:36:13,565
behind you, that engine
is working very hard.

773
00:36:13,625 --> 00:36:16,925
And if you're in, uh, in
central city outside of Denver,

774
00:36:17,505 --> 00:36:18,965
and you're at 8,000 feet

775
00:36:18,965 --> 00:36:23,045
and climbing that engine
is, is tending to overheat.

776
00:36:23,625 --> 00:36:25,965
So the first thing is,
I, I encourage people

777
00:36:25,965 --> 00:36:28,965
to get in the queue with
the truckers do perhaps one

778
00:36:28,965 --> 00:36:31,045
downshift depending on the hill.

779
00:36:31,505 --> 00:36:35,085
But again, you need to get that
engine circulating the, the,

780
00:36:35,105 --> 00:36:37,045
uh, fluids to keep it cool.

781
00:36:37,835 --> 00:36:39,935
So that's the important step there.

782
00:36:41,005 --> 00:36:43,535
When you get to the crest
of the hill, this is

783
00:36:43,775 --> 00:36:44,855
whenever decision time,

784
00:36:45,555 --> 00:36:49,455
and especially if it's outlined
to you, if it's a 5%, 6%,

785
00:36:49,835 --> 00:36:51,335
or 8% grade,

786
00:36:51,715 --> 00:36:55,815
and I use those as typical
examples on your way to Moab.

787
00:36:56,595 --> 00:37:00,055
Uh, if you're gonna, if you're
gonna go down that hill,

788
00:37:00,795 --> 00:37:03,735
you need to decide how
am I, how am I going

789
00:37:03,735 --> 00:37:05,295
to keep my foot off the brake

790
00:37:05,355 --> 00:37:07,335
or at use the brake intermittently.

791
00:37:08,525 --> 00:37:11,425
Uh, we typically, the RVs have

792
00:37:11,615 --> 00:37:13,665
what I call deceleration devices.

793
00:37:14,415 --> 00:37:17,745
They take the form of a jake
break, a compression, break,

794
00:37:18,625 --> 00:37:21,505
a uh, exhaust break, a tow hall button.

795
00:37:22,405 --> 00:37:24,545
But the big one is the downshift.

796
00:37:25,445 --> 00:37:27,585
And I gotta tell you that
there are a lot of people

797
00:37:27,585 --> 00:37:30,905
that we have, we instruct
who are very reluctant

798
00:37:30,905 --> 00:37:33,345
to do a downshift or force a downshift.

799
00:37:34,085 --> 00:37:37,425
And the reality is, they do
have to, especially on some

800
00:37:37,425 --> 00:37:38,665
of these significant hills.

801
00:37:39,565 --> 00:37:42,145
And whenever they do
that, you know, do the,

802
00:37:42,445 --> 00:37:46,305
the appropriate thing, engage
the deceleration device,

803
00:37:47,005 --> 00:37:48,025
do the downshift,

804
00:37:48,885 --> 00:37:51,825
and then again, intermittent
use of the brake.

805
00:37:52,405 --> 00:37:54,545
You know, they can
negotiate just about any,

806
00:37:55,085 --> 00:37:56,625
you know, typical hill.

807
00:37:57,135 --> 00:37:58,305
- Just a quick, uh,

808
00:37:58,885 --> 00:38:02,065
how do you do a downshift on
an automatic transmission?

809
00:38:03,275 --> 00:38:05,375
- You know, on most of the RVs

810
00:38:05,435 --> 00:38:06,935
or many of the, uh,

811
00:38:07,025 --> 00:38:09,975
class a's there is an
Allison transmission,

812
00:38:10,555 --> 00:38:14,375
and it's a, it's just a panel
off to the left of the, uh,

813
00:38:14,835 --> 00:38:16,855
of your driving, uh, leg.

814
00:38:17,555 --> 00:38:20,135
And, uh, it is an up and down arrow.

815
00:38:20,875 --> 00:38:25,375
And, uh, it's a simple step
to just push the down arrow,

816
00:38:25,385 --> 00:38:26,695
which does a downshift.

817
00:38:27,445 --> 00:38:30,135
Many of the pickups now have been adapted,

818
00:38:30,195 --> 00:38:31,535
and they now have a plus

819
00:38:31,555 --> 00:38:33,815
and minus on the, on the stick,

820
00:38:34,235 --> 00:38:36,015
on the column, on the column.

821
00:38:36,955 --> 00:38:39,095
And, uh, they also have a tow hall button

822
00:38:39,655 --> 00:38:41,175
frequently on the end of the stick.

823
00:38:42,035 --> 00:38:43,895
But, you know, where they find it,

824
00:38:44,475 --> 00:38:47,815
how they use it is really a problem.

825
00:38:48,395 --> 00:38:51,415
In so many cases. There
is a reluctance to use it,

826
00:38:52,235 --> 00:38:57,135
and there's a fear factor,
and I always tell people,

827
00:38:57,395 --> 00:39:00,415
and, and it's, uh, I've
talked to Ford, I've talked

828
00:39:00,415 --> 00:39:03,935
to the gm, I've talked to, um, commons

829
00:39:03,935 --> 00:39:05,935
and, uh, Allison transmission people,

830
00:39:05,995 --> 00:39:08,695
and they all say, Hey, don't worry.

831
00:39:09,475 --> 00:39:11,815
If you do a downshift, you cannot force

832
00:39:11,815 --> 00:39:13,695
that engine into doing

833
00:39:13,835 --> 00:39:15,855
or causing damage either

834
00:39:15,915 --> 00:39:17,975
to the transmission or to the engine.

835
00:39:18,715 --> 00:39:22,415
So the big step here is that
you need to get acquainted with

836
00:39:22,795 --> 00:39:25,935
how to do or to actually
make the downshift.

837
00:39:26,955 --> 00:39:28,575
Uh, however you're gonna get it done.

838
00:39:28,755 --> 00:39:30,935
You need to be comfortable with it.

839
00:39:31,315 --> 00:39:34,295
- Uh, I wanna give people some
more details on RV school.

840
00:39:34,515 --> 00:39:39,175
Uh, how do they, they check
rv school.com is the website.

841
00:39:39,795 --> 00:39:43,415
Um, what's the general cost
for a two day session for that?

842
00:39:44,795 --> 00:39:47,085
- Well, Mike, we're, first of
all, I'm not gonna apologize.

843
00:39:47,665 --> 00:39:49,645
Uh, it is important

844
00:39:49,885 --> 00:39:53,485
that we maintain a high quality school.

845
00:39:54,155 --> 00:39:57,885
5 95 is for two four hour
days with one of our people.

846
00:39:59,025 --> 00:40:00,205
Uh, if we're teaching

847
00:40:00,265 --> 00:40:03,965
or helping two individuals,
typically a couple, um,

848
00:40:04,395 --> 00:40:07,565
it's 8 95 for two six hour days.

849
00:40:08,585 --> 00:40:12,685
Uh, we do a lot of adapting
in terms of extending lessons

850
00:40:12,755 --> 00:40:14,565
because some people come to us

851
00:40:14,625 --> 00:40:19,285
and they're really in need
of some what additional help.

852
00:40:19,595 --> 00:40:24,125
Well, also a lot of the
dealerships, uh, ill prepare people

853
00:40:24,345 --> 00:40:28,485
for, you know, things as
mundane as, you know, uh, uh,

854
00:40:29,345 --> 00:40:33,765
you know, how to, uh, the,
um, fuse boxes on these.

855
00:40:33,865 --> 00:40:38,005
Uh, so we have an extended
portion of the lesson, you know,

856
00:40:38,005 --> 00:40:41,645
that we can't put on that's not, um, uh,

857
00:40:42,045 --> 00:40:43,085
$120.

858
00:40:43,385 --> 00:40:47,005
And it, it basically said,
we're gonna spend two

859
00:40:47,005 --> 00:40:48,125
to three hours with you,

860
00:40:48,465 --> 00:40:51,125
making sure you understand
what's in the manuals,

861
00:40:51,125 --> 00:40:55,045
that it came with your rv, uh,
understand the complexities

862
00:40:55,185 --> 00:40:58,365
of something as simple
as it that for toilet.

863
00:40:59,105 --> 00:41:00,105
Um,

864
00:41:00,595 --> 00:41:02,805
- Well, I applaud all that you do.

865
00:41:03,045 --> 00:41:05,965
I wish, uh, and I'm hoping
that the manufacturers,

866
00:41:06,105 --> 00:41:07,805
and if I was a dealership,

867
00:41:07,825 --> 00:41:10,245
the first thing I would
do is offer that course

868
00:41:10,465 --> 00:41:13,525
to pay your course for
all new customers so

869
00:41:13,525 --> 00:41:17,165
that they would be satisfied
customers and come back, uh,

870
00:41:17,185 --> 00:41:18,805
and buy from me again because I did that.

871
00:41:19,005 --> 00:41:20,765
I think that'd be a
great tool for dealers.

872
00:41:21,355 --> 00:41:24,925
Your prices are very reasonable
when you consider that, uh,

873
00:41:24,945 --> 00:41:26,965
how much it costs to get a campsite

874
00:41:26,985 --> 00:41:28,605
and how much these RVs cost.

875
00:41:29,025 --> 00:41:32,045
- One of the things is, you
know, for people who do need

876
00:41:32,885 --> 00:41:36,445
somebody, somebody to come
to them, uh, we do provide a,

877
00:41:36,545 --> 00:41:39,285
you know, and, and obviously
it's based on charges

878
00:41:39,545 --> 00:41:40,805
to get to the individual.

879
00:41:41,585 --> 00:41:44,805
And the second thing, I really
would encourage people to go

880
00:41:44,805 --> 00:41:47,165
to the testimonials on our website.

881
00:41:48,065 --> 00:41:51,505
I am extremely proud of, you know,

882
00:41:51,605 --> 00:41:53,185
the testimonials that come in,

883
00:41:53,575 --> 00:41:54,665
- Sign me up, <laugh>.

884
00:41:54,985 --> 00:41:56,425
I look forward to trying it myself.

885
00:41:57,005 --> 00:41:58,305
Uh, you've been a great interview

886
00:41:58,525 --> 00:42:01,825
and, uh, again, thank you so
much for sharing your time

887
00:42:01,965 --> 00:42:04,785
and your expertise with our
audience. Thanks, George.

888
00:42:04,915 --> 00:42:08,785
- Thank you, sir.
- I appreciated, uh, George's tips,

889
00:42:08,845 --> 00:42:10,025
as I'm sure you did too.

890
00:42:10,205 --> 00:42:13,345
Uh, you know, this whole
idea of backing up an rv,

891
00:42:13,725 --> 00:42:16,145
it always works out,
particularly when you're a newbie

892
00:42:16,765 --> 00:42:17,825
and you're backing up

893
00:42:18,045 --> 00:42:20,225
and all your neighbors in the campground.

894
00:42:20,295 --> 00:42:22,305
It's like the entertainment
of the evening, <laugh>,

895
00:42:22,305 --> 00:42:23,905
they all are out there
drinking their beer leaning.

896
00:42:24,235 --> 00:42:27,465
Watch this guy. And,
uh, and then every now

897
00:42:27,465 --> 00:42:29,825
and then you'll see somebody
come in that's probably gone

898
00:42:29,825 --> 00:42:33,185
to George's school and
they, and they're backed in

899
00:42:33,205 --> 00:42:34,385
and just awesome.

900
00:42:35,125 --> 00:42:36,665
Um, but don't worry,

901
00:42:36,755 --> 00:42:39,105
we've all been there,
<laugh> in that newbie stage.

902
00:42:39,605 --> 00:42:41,905
And, uh, there's a link,
uh, in the show notes

903
00:42:41,905 --> 00:42:45,345
that you'll find@rvlifestyle.com,
uh, slash podcast,

904
00:42:46,125 --> 00:42:48,905
and you'll find, uh, a link
there to the show notes

905
00:42:48,905 --> 00:42:51,305
for this episode to
George's, uh, driving school.

906
00:42:51,405 --> 00:42:54,785
But, uh, check it out. We
appreciate his expertise

907
00:42:55,205 --> 00:42:57,905
- And I think it would be time
and money well spent Yeah.

908
00:42:57,925 --> 00:42:59,265
To take a good class.

909
00:42:59,455 --> 00:43:01,905
- Yeah. Now we've taken
a couple of short ones.

910
00:43:01,905 --> 00:43:04,625
Many times you'll find, uh,
RV driving schools offered

911
00:43:04,625 --> 00:43:07,625
by manufacturers at, at
big rallies and stuff,

912
00:43:07,625 --> 00:43:10,505
and you've taken a couple of
them, but they're very short

913
00:43:11,205 --> 00:43:12,985
and they're not, and
they're a little hands on.

914
00:43:12,985 --> 00:43:14,865
They give you some comfort,
but, uh, mm-Hmm. <affirmative>.

915
00:43:14,885 --> 00:43:16,265
But George is the full deal.

916
00:43:16,365 --> 00:43:19,745
You walk away with, uh,
a, a, a lot of confidence

917
00:43:19,745 --> 00:43:21,105
and be able to drive that rv,

918
00:43:21,105 --> 00:43:22,985
whether it's a motor home or a towable.

919
00:43:23,565 --> 00:43:25,145
Um, so check 'em out.

920
00:43:25,165 --> 00:43:26,545
We think that's a, that's a great idea.

921
00:43:26,735 --> 00:43:27,865
Alright, quick break

922
00:43:27,965 --> 00:43:29,705
and we'll be back with
the RV News of the week,

923
00:43:29,705 --> 00:43:31,505
and we've got some good
stories for you this week.

924
00:43:31,605 --> 00:43:34,105
You're gonna wanna listen to Jennifer

925
00:43:34,105 --> 00:43:35,425
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926
00:43:35,425 --> 00:43:36,985
Nashville, Tennessee a while back.

927
00:43:37,445 --> 00:43:40,185
We got tired, crowded,
expensive campgrounds

928
00:43:40,325 --> 00:43:42,545
and worrying about reservations.

929
00:43:43,585 --> 00:43:46,145
Tennessee is a gorgeous
state with friendly people,

930
00:43:46,525 --> 00:43:47,945
and it has been such a pleasure.

931
00:43:48,365 --> 00:43:52,065
The same developer has some
new property near us, close

932
00:43:52,125 --> 00:43:53,265
to the Natchez Trace

933
00:43:53,365 --> 00:43:57,025
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934
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935
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936
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937
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938
00:44:11,445 --> 00:44:14,345
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939
00:44:14,805 --> 00:44:16,345
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940
00:44:16,765 --> 00:44:20,865
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941
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942
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943
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944
00:44:30,775 --> 00:44:34,885
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945
00:44:35,475 --> 00:44:37,405
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946
00:44:37,735 --> 00:44:41,885
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947
00:44:42,185 --> 00:44:46,165
That's RV lands.net.
Welcome back, everybody.

948
00:44:46,195 --> 00:44:49,765
Time now for the RV News of the week.

949
00:44:50,145 --> 00:44:52,085
- And we have a Massachusetts couple.

950
00:44:52,475 --> 00:44:54,365
They say their RV was stolen

951
00:44:54,495 --> 00:44:58,485
after the dealer started on
an unsecured shopping center

952
00:44:58,485 --> 00:45:00,605
parking lot without their knowledge.

953
00:45:00,745 --> 00:45:01,885
- Now, we should point out

954
00:45:01,995 --> 00:45:04,685
that this was just down the
street from the dealership.

955
00:45:05,385 --> 00:45:07,765
And again, here what Jennifer
said, it was without their,

956
00:45:07,765 --> 00:45:09,845
they didn't know that it wasn't gonna stay

957
00:45:10,225 --> 00:45:11,325
on the dealer's lot,

958
00:45:12,065 --> 00:45:14,205
- And the couple they
dropped off their jco,

959
00:45:14,555 --> 00:45:16,485
they dropped it off at Pete's RV Center

960
00:45:16,505 --> 00:45:18,725
for maintenance at the
dealer's service center.

961
00:45:19,065 --> 00:45:20,925
So you leave it at a secure place. Right?

962
00:45:21,225 --> 00:45:22,565
And when they returned to pick it up,

963
00:45:22,565 --> 00:45:23,685
they discovered it was missing.

964
00:45:24,185 --> 00:45:27,885
It turned out the dealer
stored their rig down the road

965
00:45:28,665 --> 00:45:32,165
on at an unsecured parking
lot where it was stolen.

966
00:45:32,345 --> 00:45:35,485
And the couple ended up getting
a local television station

967
00:45:35,845 --> 00:45:39,445
involved after the dealer
dragged its feet on filing a

968
00:45:39,445 --> 00:45:42,925
police report and was not
helping them get compensation.

969
00:45:43,675 --> 00:45:46,325
- Yeah. Eventually the couple
learned that what they had

970
00:45:46,325 --> 00:45:50,205
to do is file this loss under
their, um, insurance policy,

971
00:45:50,205 --> 00:45:51,445
their own insurance policy,

972
00:45:51,625 --> 00:45:55,445
and then their insurance company
can go after the RV dealer,

973
00:45:55,985 --> 00:45:58,925
but still, they're out a
thousand dollars deductible.

974
00:45:58,955 --> 00:46:03,325
Plus all the precious memories
that, uh, they had tied up in

975
00:46:03,565 --> 00:46:05,805
that jayco of theirs with their kids.

976
00:46:06,505 --> 00:46:07,725
Um, it's a mess.

977
00:46:07,945 --> 00:46:09,765
And it's a reminder to all of us

978
00:46:09,985 --> 00:46:12,445
to ask if the RV service
center that you're going

979
00:46:12,445 --> 00:46:15,405
to drop off your RV keeps
it in a secure location

980
00:46:15,915 --> 00:46:16,925
when the work is done.

981
00:46:17,465 --> 00:46:20,525
Uh, and if you wanna see that
news story about this couple,

982
00:46:20,575 --> 00:46:22,325
we'll put a link in the show notes

983
00:46:22,345 --> 00:46:26,285
and you'll find that at, uh,
RV lifestyle.com/podcast.

984
00:46:26,625 --> 00:46:28,005
- You know, what I find amazing is

985
00:46:28,005 --> 00:46:32,285
that somebody would leave
an RV at just a parking lot,

986
00:46:32,595 --> 00:46:35,485
because I'm thinking about
sometimes RVs get stolen

987
00:46:35,615 --> 00:46:36,765
outta dealer's lot.

988
00:46:36,765 --> 00:46:37,885
- Yeah. Didn't we have a
story about that last week?

989
00:46:37,885 --> 00:46:39,125
- Yeah, we did. We, we did have,

990
00:46:39,375 --> 00:46:42,005
we've had stories in
the past like that, so,

991
00:46:42,225 --> 00:46:45,205
but I can't imagine
leaving your property just,

992
00:46:45,945 --> 00:46:46,965
you know, at some parking.

993
00:46:47,395 --> 00:46:48,845
- Well, you know, they,
some of these dealers,

994
00:46:48,845 --> 00:46:49,885
they just don't have a lot of stories.

995
00:46:49,995 --> 00:46:51,405
Yeah. They don't have room. But, you know,

996
00:46:51,545 --> 00:46:53,285
you should at least say, Hey,
okay, we're gonna keep it

997
00:46:53,285 --> 00:46:54,525
until we can get to it down the street.

998
00:46:54,585 --> 00:46:56,885
And then you can say, no
way when you can get to it.

999
00:46:56,955 --> 00:46:58,725
I'll drop it off and I'll be there

1000
00:46:58,945 --> 00:47:00,965
and, uh, watch you put it in your garage

1001
00:47:01,025 --> 00:47:02,085
or wherever you service it.

1002
00:47:02,085 --> 00:47:03,445
Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, uh, anyway, um,

1003
00:47:03,585 --> 00:47:05,085
our sympathies go for this couple.

1004
00:47:05,305 --> 00:47:08,045
Yes. Who truly, uh, had
a, a terrible experience.

1005
00:47:08,665 --> 00:47:11,685
Um, hey, we got a story that
I think is, how about this?

1006
00:47:11,925 --> 00:47:14,405
I mean, this is unusual.
It's a government agency

1007
00:47:14,555 --> 00:47:19,365
that actually listened to the
people and changed its mind.

1008
00:47:19,945 --> 00:47:21,485
And it was the National Park Service.

1009
00:47:22,065 --> 00:47:24,085
Now, the National Park
Service, we all love them

1010
00:47:24,085 --> 00:47:25,565
because we love our national parks.

1011
00:47:25,565 --> 00:47:28,325
But you gotta understand,
it is a huge bureaucracy.

1012
00:47:28,425 --> 00:47:30,325
It is riddled with politics.

1013
00:47:31,065 --> 00:47:34,365
Uh, and like all government
agencies, you know, um,

1014
00:47:35,145 --> 00:47:37,925
it works at a, at its
own, uh, at its own style.

1015
00:47:38,915 --> 00:47:41,645
What they did, they announced
this week that they're going

1016
00:47:41,645 --> 00:47:46,405
to abandon a plan, a wildly unpopular plan

1017
00:47:46,405 --> 00:47:51,285
that they had to remove the
wild horses at North Dakota's,

1018
00:47:51,285 --> 00:47:52,805
Theodore Roosevelt National Park.

1019
00:47:52,825 --> 00:47:55,845
Now, if you've been to Teddy
Roosevelt National Park, uh,

1020
00:47:56,025 --> 00:48:00,805
you know how much a part of
that park, uh, those horses are.

1021
00:48:01,585 --> 00:48:05,205
So a whole bunch of groups,
uh, activist groups, wild horse

1022
00:48:05,805 --> 00:48:08,725
advocates, tourists heard about this,

1023
00:48:08,785 --> 00:48:12,165
and they bombarded the park
service with resistance

1024
00:48:12,185 --> 00:48:14,085
and criticism of this idea.

1025
00:48:14,755 --> 00:48:17,975
And what the NPS wanted to
do was remove these horses.

1026
00:48:18,635 --> 00:48:19,895
Uh, they're out of the concern

1027
00:48:19,895 --> 00:48:22,095
that the animals were
damaging to the environment.

1028
00:48:22,095 --> 00:48:24,055
Well, the animals had been there since

1029
00:48:24,215 --> 00:48:25,615
Teddy Roosevelt's days.

1030
00:48:26,395 --> 00:48:30,135
Now granted, horses are not a
native animal of, of that part

1031
00:48:30,355 --> 00:48:32,335
of, uh, of, uh, North Dakota,

1032
00:48:32,555 --> 00:48:35,815
but their descendants
of those who were owned

1033
00:48:35,875 --> 00:48:38,895
by the ranchers and the
tribes of the old West,

1034
00:48:39,235 --> 00:48:43,135
and they roamed wild when Teddy
Roosevelt, who the park, uh,

1035
00:48:43,275 --> 00:48:45,855
was named after and who lived there, uh,

1036
00:48:45,885 --> 00:48:47,175
they rolled there since then.

1037
00:48:47,175 --> 00:48:49,055
They were, they were
just as they are today.

1038
00:48:49,595 --> 00:48:52,135
Uh, so they had a lot of
historical significance.

1039
00:48:52,435 --> 00:48:54,615
And we love those horses.
They're gorgeous. They're,

1040
00:48:54,735 --> 00:48:56,495
- I think everybody
loves those wild horses.

1041
00:48:56,495 --> 00:48:58,255
They're extremely popular with everybody.

1042
00:48:58,435 --> 00:49:00,495
And currently there's only, well,

1043
00:49:00,495 --> 00:49:02,655
there's about 200 wild horses in the park.

1044
00:49:02,895 --> 00:49:04,735
- I mean, you see them, but
you don't see 'em all the time.

1045
00:49:04,795 --> 00:49:07,895
And we've, we sat out, I
remember one time shooting, uh,

1046
00:49:08,075 --> 00:49:11,895
we saw a, a colt and his mom
and they were part of a herd.

1047
00:49:11,915 --> 00:49:15,175
And we watched them at
sunset for, it was gorgeous.

1048
00:49:15,485 --> 00:49:16,815
They were gro, you know, really pretty.

1049
00:49:17,515 --> 00:49:20,015
Um, now that was the park ship.

1050
00:49:20,195 --> 00:49:23,205
So they changed their mind,
but they could change it again.

1051
00:49:23,505 --> 00:49:25,845
And that's why a leading
group that advocates

1052
00:49:25,845 --> 00:49:27,405
for the horses says now

1053
00:49:27,405 --> 00:49:30,045
that this plant has been
abandoned this time,

1054
00:49:30,875 --> 00:49:32,325
they want those wild horses

1055
00:49:32,505 --> 00:49:36,285
to have federal protection
forever, to prevent, you know,

1056
00:49:36,305 --> 00:49:38,605
the park service from changing its mind

1057
00:49:38,825 --> 00:49:41,725
and trying to cull the herd
next year or the year after.

1058
00:49:42,545 --> 00:49:44,245
Um, we visited Theodore

1059
00:49:44,245 --> 00:49:45,565
Roosevelt National Park a couple of times.

1060
00:49:45,665 --> 00:49:49,085
We absolutely love it. And, uh,
we'll put a link to, uh, one

1061
00:49:49,085 --> 00:49:50,285
of our, uh, trips there.

1062
00:49:50,345 --> 00:49:52,125
And in it you'll see those wild horses.

1063
00:49:52,785 --> 00:49:54,805
Uh, they're just, um,
they're really gorgeous.

1064
00:49:55,315 --> 00:49:58,205
Alright, next story. It
also involves animals.

1065
00:49:58,475 --> 00:50:01,605
- Yeah. Remember when we
told you about the wolf

1066
00:50:01,925 --> 00:50:04,645
reintroduction plan to in, uh, Colorado?

1067
00:50:05,195 --> 00:50:07,725
Well, the pack flown in from Oregon

1068
00:50:08,025 --> 00:50:11,205
and released in Colorado,
may be headed into Wyoming,

1069
00:50:11,815 --> 00:50:13,565
where it's legal to shoot them.

1070
00:50:14,265 --> 00:50:17,645
In December 10, wolves were
released in Colorado, under

1071
00:50:17,645 --> 00:50:19,805
that state's wolf reintroduction program.

1072
00:50:20,465 --> 00:50:23,885
The animals were released
in a ranching area

1073
00:50:23,935 --> 00:50:25,805
where ranchers did not want them.

1074
00:50:26,265 --> 00:50:29,925
And since December, they've
killed six heads of cattle,

1075
00:50:30,305 --> 00:50:32,725
but the pack is moving as wolves do.

1076
00:50:33,305 --> 00:50:36,725
And, uh, the state releases
regular reports based on their

1077
00:50:37,005 --> 00:50:40,205
tracking collars and have
confirmed the wolves did wander

1078
00:50:40,315 --> 00:50:42,165
into the Rocky Mountain National Park,

1079
00:50:42,705 --> 00:50:47,485
and one wolf did die of natural
causes like a mountain lion.

1080
00:50:48,105 --> 00:50:51,525
And the pack is now very close
to the Wyoming state line.

1081
00:50:51,625 --> 00:50:54,645
And while wolves are a
protected species in Colorado,

1082
00:50:55,185 --> 00:50:57,765
in Wyoming, they are not, in fact,

1083
00:50:58,045 --> 00:51:00,925
a wolf in Wyoming can be shot legally

1084
00:51:01,025 --> 00:51:02,605
for any reason. Mm-Hmm.

1085
00:51:02,605 --> 00:51:04,045
- It's a ridiculous, isn't it?

1086
00:51:04,105 --> 00:51:07,325
Uh, um, but it's a hotly contested area.

1087
00:51:07,425 --> 00:51:10,245
And ranchers certainly have,
um, have some concerns.

1088
00:51:10,345 --> 00:51:11,405
But, uh, <laugh>,

1089
00:51:11,405 --> 00:51:13,845
these guys are going into
harm's way, these rules.

1090
00:51:14,545 --> 00:51:16,685
Uh, okay, here's a story for you.

1091
00:51:17,385 --> 00:51:20,525
If you have been one of
those who have, uh, suspected

1092
00:51:21,265 --> 00:51:24,325
or complained about shoddy manufacturing

1093
00:51:24,545 --> 00:51:27,125
by the big RV companies, um,

1094
00:51:27,195 --> 00:51:28,925
there's some more evidence this month

1095
00:51:29,025 --> 00:51:30,285
to back up those complaints.

1096
00:51:30,345 --> 00:51:33,605
The National Highway Traffic
Safety Administration recently

1097
00:51:34,565 --> 00:51:37,125
released a number of RV recalls

1098
00:51:37,195 --> 00:51:38,685
that you might want to check out.

1099
00:51:39,345 --> 00:51:41,165
Uh, we'll put the full list

1100
00:51:41,505 --> 00:51:44,805
and links to it in the
podcast, uh, link on the, uh,

1101
00:51:44,865 --> 00:51:47,725
rv lifestyle.com/podcast blog.

1102
00:51:48,425 --> 00:51:53,365
But it includes, um, 20 to
24, uh, units that were built

1103
00:51:53,365 --> 00:51:54,485
by Tiffin Motor Homes.

1104
00:51:54,905 --> 00:51:59,405
Uh, they found that the LED
backlight circuit board in the

1105
00:51:59,405 --> 00:52:03,685
cooktop range may fail,
causing the board to overheat.

1106
00:52:03,705 --> 00:52:05,485
And there, of course, there's
always a risk of fire.

1107
00:52:05,515 --> 00:52:08,965
Then, uh, Allegro Open Road, Allegro,

1108
00:52:09,645 --> 00:52:13,005
RED 360, uh, 2024 Byway

1109
00:52:13,545 --> 00:52:16,605
and 2022 Fatton Motor Homes are affected.

1110
00:52:17,265 --> 00:52:19,845
And owner notification
letters should be mailed out

1111
00:52:19,845 --> 00:52:21,805
to owners by May 31st.

1112
00:52:22,885 --> 00:52:26,205
Keystone RV Company is
recalling a bunch of its units

1113
00:52:26,205 --> 00:52:30,205
because the equalizer may
provide inadequate clearance,

1114
00:52:30,525 --> 00:52:32,965
allowing the axle to contact the frame.

1115
00:52:33,625 --> 00:52:38,005
And that's certain keystone,
uh, models the retreat, uh,

1116
00:52:38,005 --> 00:52:41,445
2024 models, the retreat,
uh, the residence 40,

1117
00:52:41,585 --> 00:52:43,765
the residence, uh, 4 0 1.

1118
00:52:44,425 --> 00:52:47,005
Uh, the Dutchman Aspen Trail

1119
00:52:47,865 --> 00:52:51,525
and Crossroads Hampton are
trailers that were affected

1120
00:52:51,525 --> 00:52:54,725
with letters that were
mailed to owners by May 31st.

1121
00:52:54,875 --> 00:52:58,525
They will be out, uh, the
recall at Forest River

1122
00:52:58,675 --> 00:53:02,405
because the operator may
utilize the rear towing hitch

1123
00:53:02,955 --> 00:53:06,685
without locking the turning
point fifth wheel hitch into the

1124
00:53:07,045 --> 00:53:09,125
conventional transport position.

1125
00:53:09,545 --> 00:53:10,885
You've got what 'em, you
know what that means?

1126
00:53:11,385 --> 00:53:13,125
Uh, certain 24 Cardinal

1127
00:53:13,145 --> 00:53:15,925
and Wildcat fifth wheel
trailers are affected

1128
00:53:16,305 --> 00:53:18,605
and those letters are
gonna go out by May 22nd.

1129
00:53:19,425 --> 00:53:23,085
Um, outdoors RV Manufacturing recall is

1130
00:53:23,085 --> 00:53:24,165
because of, uh,

1131
00:53:24,345 --> 00:53:27,405
an LED backlight circuit
board in the cook dock range

1132
00:53:27,435 --> 00:53:31,925
that may fail again, causing
overheat, uh, certain 20

1133
00:53:32,025 --> 00:53:34,845
to 24 titanium trailers affected.

1134
00:53:35,385 --> 00:53:37,885
Uh, those letters will be
mailed out by May 17th.

1135
00:53:38,665 --> 00:53:40,885
Uh, forest River is
also a number of recalls

1136
00:53:41,045 --> 00:53:43,325
'cause that LED backlight circuit board

1137
00:53:43,625 --> 00:53:46,325
and the cook part cooktop range may fall.

1138
00:53:46,655 --> 00:53:49,285
Maybe, you know, a
number of units affected.

1139
00:53:49,545 --> 00:53:51,205
And, uh, just be aware,

1140
00:53:52,105 --> 00:53:53,805
you should probably go
look at the full list.

1141
00:53:53,825 --> 00:53:55,205
We could go on and on with this.

1142
00:53:55,425 --> 00:53:58,685
Uh, but, um, check out and
we'll post a link to it.

1143
00:53:58,915 --> 00:54:01,605
It's at rv lifestyle.com/podcast.

1144
00:54:02,585 --> 00:54:05,925
And, uh, we thank RV Business,
our friends at RV Business

1145
00:54:05,945 --> 00:54:08,245
for, um, alerting everybody to that story.

1146
00:54:08,755 --> 00:54:11,045
Alright, when we come back the RV question

1147
00:54:11,545 --> 00:54:12,765
of the week, stay with us

1148
00:54:13,235 --> 00:54:15,885
- When we're asked what's the
most important modification

1149
00:54:15,885 --> 00:54:16,925
we made to our rv.

1150
00:54:17,115 --> 00:54:20,605
It's an easy answer.
Battle borne batteries.

1151
00:54:20,645 --> 00:54:24,605
Battle borne batteries are
quality, safe, reliable lithium

1152
00:54:25,165 --> 00:54:26,645
batteries that allow us

1153
00:54:26,865 --> 00:54:29,685
to stay out there off the grid longer.

1154
00:54:30,195 --> 00:54:31,925
Lithium batteries charge faster.

1155
00:54:32,155 --> 00:54:33,205
They charge fuller,

1156
00:54:33,205 --> 00:54:35,165
they're longer lasting,
they're maintenance free.

1157
00:54:35,465 --> 00:54:38,085
And battle borne batteries are protected

1158
00:54:38,105 --> 00:54:40,565
by a 10 year guarantee.

1159
00:54:41,145 --> 00:54:45,205
Now in our case, they just
dropped into the existing A GM

1160
00:54:45,485 --> 00:54:47,805
batteries that we have and
they'll probably be the

1161
00:54:47,805 --> 00:54:48,925
same on your rig too.

1162
00:54:49,335 --> 00:54:53,125
Battleborn battery experts
can get those in your rig just

1163
00:54:53,125 --> 00:54:54,365
like they did with ours.

1164
00:54:54,365 --> 00:54:56,405
They can also match you
up with the right cabling,

1165
00:54:56,405 --> 00:54:59,725
the inverter, the charger, the
solar controller, everything.

1166
00:55:00,525 --> 00:55:03,485
Jennifer and I swear by
our battle borne batteries,

1167
00:55:03,515 --> 00:55:06,525
they allow us to boondock off the grid.

1168
00:55:06,775 --> 00:55:07,965
Check 'em out. Go

1169
00:55:07,965 --> 00:55:11,125
to rv lifestyle.com/lithium rv

1170
00:55:11,125 --> 00:55:13,285
lifestyle.com/lithium.

1171
00:55:14,615 --> 00:55:17,825
- Alright, it's time now for
the RV question of the week.

1172
00:55:17,845 --> 00:55:20,865
And we wanna remind you that
we love to get your questions

1173
00:55:21,365 --> 00:55:24,025
and your comments and you
can reach us anytime at Mike

1174
00:55:24,045 --> 00:55:27,145
and jen@rvlifestyle.com.

1175
00:55:27,205 --> 00:55:28,225
What's our question this week?

1176
00:55:28,335 --> 00:55:29,905
- Okay, our question is, my husband

1177
00:55:30,085 --> 00:55:32,985
and I wanna start our
retirement with RVing.

1178
00:55:33,645 --> 00:55:36,345
How do we stay safe out there now

1179
00:55:36,655 --> 00:55:38,545
with this open border situation?

1180
00:55:38,885 --> 00:55:41,905
We live in Arizona and
things are really changing.

1181
00:55:42,405 --> 00:55:45,905
We have a dog and we
are both CCW certified.

1182
00:55:46,445 --> 00:55:51,145
Is it worth investing in
all that it entails in RV

1183
00:55:51,145 --> 00:55:53,585
with all the changes in America today?

1184
00:55:53,885 --> 00:55:54,945
And that's Catherine.

1185
00:55:55,605 --> 00:55:56,825
- All right, Catherine. Um,

1186
00:55:57,895 --> 00:56:00,665
granted America certainly
has its share of problems.

1187
00:56:01,485 --> 00:56:04,185
And in Arizona, you know,
closer to the border,

1188
00:56:04,325 --> 00:56:06,905
you certainly are probably
more aware than most people of,

1189
00:56:06,905 --> 00:56:10,305
of all the problems associated
with illegal migration.

1190
00:56:11,605 --> 00:56:14,985
But that said, um, we've
been doing the RV lifestyle

1191
00:56:15,125 --> 00:56:18,425
for more than 12 years now,
and we've traveled repeatedly.

1192
00:56:18,775 --> 00:56:21,545
I've gone from one end of
the country to the other, uh,

1193
00:56:21,905 --> 00:56:25,365
numerous times, and we
have had no time ever

1194
00:56:26,155 --> 00:56:27,445
when we felt unsafe.

1195
00:56:28,625 --> 00:56:30,485
And maybe what about 10 years ago,

1196
00:56:30,505 --> 00:56:32,805
we were eating dinner at
a shopping center on the

1197
00:56:33,525 --> 00:56:35,125
Illinois side of the Mississippi River,

1198
00:56:35,185 --> 00:56:38,605
and our RV was broken into,
we had a lot of, a lot

1199
00:56:38,605 --> 00:56:40,205
of my photo gears, a lot of grease.

1200
00:56:40,425 --> 00:56:43,565
It was taken, but our
insurance covered the loss.

1201
00:56:44,065 --> 00:56:46,925
And that is the only time
we've experienced crime

1202
00:56:47,545 --> 00:56:49,885
in any form in all of our travels.

1203
00:56:50,945 --> 00:56:52,485
So there are yes neighborhoods

1204
00:56:52,585 --> 00:56:54,965
and there's places where it is not safe,

1205
00:56:55,745 --> 00:56:59,365
but those are not the places
that our viewers tend to visit.

1206
00:57:00,705 --> 00:57:03,685
So I guess to answer your question, um, RV

1207
00:57:03,705 --> 00:57:06,085
as a lifestyle is more than worth it.

1208
00:57:06,665 --> 00:57:08,645
Uh, it is, uh, enjoyable.

1209
00:57:08,645 --> 00:57:11,845
It's fulfilling, it's
exciting and it's safe.

1210
00:57:12,545 --> 00:57:15,365
Uh, now I won't even start
to get into the topic

1211
00:57:15,365 --> 00:57:17,725
of concealed weapons or firearms

1212
00:57:17,725 --> 00:57:20,165
and whether you should
carry 'em, that's up to you.

1213
00:57:20,305 --> 00:57:24,245
But I will say that if you
just simply use common sense

1214
00:57:24,265 --> 00:57:25,405
and planning your routes,

1215
00:57:25,465 --> 00:57:28,245
and if you are aware of your surroundings

1216
00:57:28,385 --> 00:57:31,405
and you trust your gut, if
you get in an uneasy feeling,

1217
00:57:31,595 --> 00:57:33,165
just move on If need be.

1218
00:57:33,695 --> 00:57:34,925
We've never had to do that either.

1219
00:57:35,545 --> 00:57:38,085
Um, but America's not unsafe.

1220
00:57:38,425 --> 00:57:43,125
Uh, plan your retirement and
get out there and enjoy it.

1221
00:57:44,185 --> 00:57:45,725
- If you're going to be unsafe,

1222
00:57:45,825 --> 00:57:47,245
you think about going to the mall.

1223
00:57:47,755 --> 00:57:49,125
- Yeah, I mean, there's

1224
00:57:49,125 --> 00:57:52,565
- A lot of places, broad
daylight where it's not safe.

1225
00:57:52,675 --> 00:57:55,085
More so it seems like
in the big cities. But,

1226
00:57:55,085 --> 00:57:57,205
- You know, we, we also
hear about it all the time.

1227
00:57:57,325 --> 00:58:00,045
I mean, we have social media,
we've got neighborhood apps,

1228
00:58:00,145 --> 00:58:03,525
and we've got news media apps screaming

1229
00:58:03,545 --> 00:58:05,165
for attention 24 7.

1230
00:58:05,565 --> 00:58:07,685
Anything happens and, you know, um,

1231
00:58:08,305 --> 00:58:11,885
social media in particular and
false rumors and fake news.

1232
00:58:12,105 --> 00:58:14,725
And yeah, there are problems out there,

1233
00:58:14,825 --> 00:58:18,525
but you can't go around not doing things

1234
00:58:18,525 --> 00:58:19,885
because you're fearful.

1235
00:58:20,865 --> 00:58:24,125
And I don't think that
being fearful of the changes

1236
00:58:24,235 --> 00:58:25,365
that are happening in America

1237
00:58:25,425 --> 00:58:28,765
and there are, uh, is, is, um, justified.

1238
00:58:28,765 --> 00:58:31,085
You're justified in, in changing your

1239
00:58:31,495 --> 00:58:33,085
retirement plans because of it.

1240
00:58:33,785 --> 00:58:36,925
So, and obviously if,
if, if you're fearful

1241
00:58:37,065 --> 00:58:39,165
by all this stuff, then don't do it.

1242
00:58:39,165 --> 00:58:42,285
Stay home. But, uh, I can
just tell you our experience

1243
00:58:42,625 --> 00:58:45,725
and it's, it's safe out there. Right?

1244
00:58:46,195 --> 00:58:48,045
- Just gotta use common sense. Yeah.

1245
00:58:48,575 --> 00:58:50,805
- Which is, well that sense, which isn't

1246
00:58:50,805 --> 00:58:52,005
so common anymore. Right.

1247
00:58:52,565 --> 00:58:54,765
- I was kind of thinking it
must be safe out there, <laugh>.

1248
00:58:55,115 --> 00:58:58,605
- Yeah, kinda. Anyway, Catherine,
go have a great retirement

1249
00:58:58,745 --> 00:59:00,365
and uh, and you will be safe.

1250
00:59:00,635 --> 00:59:02,445
Alright, you got questions
or you got comments?

1251
00:59:02,745 --> 00:59:05,685
You can reach us, Mike
and jen@rvlifestyle.com.

1252
00:59:05,685 --> 00:59:07,725
We love to hear from you.
That's it for this week.

1253
00:59:07,975 --> 00:59:09,045
We'll see you guys down the road.

1254
00:59:09,495 --> 00:59:10,325
- Happy trails.