I've changed this strategy quite a bit over
the years. What y, younger than I am
now it seemed like my number was a
lot higher than it is. Now. And then,
I guess that's thing to back to what
my dad said. As you get older, any
goals change a little bit or maybe an
objectives change a little bit? The But I
went from wanting to kill bigger animals, what
I was the other to killing still everybody
wants killed the animal. Right? But the reality
of it. Sometimes you're gonna a whole more
often than not, maybe with an un unfiltered
tank if you have
expectations to
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For your next adventure. Last tips, we learned
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we stay focused on scouting. I've asked 1
of Brock light's most consistent killer a big
bulls and big box to share some of
his scouting tips and tricks. I'm excited to
have Jared Blu with us today. And he's
gonna hopefully share some of what makes him
so successful. So welcome to S? Hey. How's
it going, Sam. I'm good to be on.
Yeah. I'm super excited. For those people that
don't know. To me, you're just 1 of
the guys that's always getting it done and
always on impressive animal. Why don't you kinda
tell us where that kinda starts at? Well,
it all starts with a luck. At wish
it was just luck right. For a lot
of it locked. But over the years, you
know, I kinda come down with a a
type of scouting I like to do, whether
it's a play second.
Step put on the ground or, like you're
you're in it towards your es county. And
that requires a lot of times step behind
computer or a tablet, on my solo and
look that different. Maps, stick from the apps
that you can use to to pick apart
land and terrain. That's been a huge huge
benefit over the years is the change in
technology. It's kind of a 2 sided sword,
I guess he will it. The days of
20, 30 years ago, having to drive 2
plates just sprout. A lot of people aren't
doing that anymore. You know, though the east
scouting has become quite a popular thing and
a very very good tool for a lot
of our hunters to use anymore. Yeah. Do
you find yourself, try to draw this same
areas consistently or do you just kinda throw,
like, a big net out there and and
just hope to to see what you get
and then figure it out So I used
to be primarily
before all the changes in map and that
primarily used to put in for limited draw
type areas whether it it'd be Montana Wyoming.
That over the years, as you know has
changed a lot, the chances of drawing some
of these limited entrant aids anymore you're looking
at 8 plus years with points. Creep and
everything else that's going on. So back in
the day, it used to focus more on
units that were known to hold some of
the better animals I wish I could do
that now. I've burned up all my points
unlimited entry tags. So I started going more
to general areas now. And has become a
bit more difficult cool to find really big
quality animals in the general areas, but that's
not to say they're not there as well.
So it's a little bit of bolt. I
guess, I have the experience of of looking
for animals on units that are known to
have some of the better animals. And then
I've also been very lucky to pull some
of the some good animals off some of
these general units as well, which requires to
me. I think more steady. So you mentioned
your east scouting. So once you've sort of
kind of throughout your east scouting
areas you wanna check out. Do you try
and get boots on the ground do you...
Just try to extend your trip into a
few more days on your hunting and just
kinda scalp and hunt together or how do
you kinda prioritize that? So I I always
try to get boots some around if I
can. That always is a necessity for me
if I can do it. There's been so
many years where my family and I gl
out. If I know I'm gonna have a
table. Go out in the summer months with
boots summit around do a lot of... Lot
of Scott Norway a lot of hiking covering
terrain, marking way points. In a lot of
those areas, the animals
necessarily in this pretend wanna help. The animals
necessarily aren't there during that time in the
summer because it seemed to be a little
higher in the terrain. So at that time,
I'm looking for
Signs that show they were there the last
September runs, Wall
south of the such. I do run occasionally,
but usually in the summer when hot a
lot of those elk up higher.
Above the timber line or close too and
kinda focus on those areas and narrowed. Yes.
I can't get boots on the your own.
Great example. It's was this last year in
Montana. Couldn't get boots on the ground. I
was able to draw tank that I knew
nothing about the area. Just didn't have time
to get out there before season started the
first time ever putting boots on that ground
was the weekend the season her. And my
family was along with me trainee ended up
being a rough than I had
anticipated. So although it was hunting and season,
and that was to my bow and it
was more of a a camping shirt per
with my family getting to All the land.
So that time, it wasn't there to get
ahead of time, they laid my hunt a
little bit, but overall, it did allow me
to take me grade last year as well.
But leading up to that. I'm having boots
all of ground, and I did spend a
lot of time
east out prior to getting there. So once
I was there, And we around the ground,
and we hit it running and we knew
the area somewhat. My anticipation was is a
little bit different than what I thought it
was gonna be, and maybe that's because I
didn't realized that the impoverished lines were as
close together as they were on my east
scouting. I I never overlooked that part of
it and we ended up in this... Up
some train that was really nasty, really rough.
Oh, we did see some melt in there.
Really good bulls, but there were
mile or 2 away in some really deep
rugged country and at at that time I
wasn't gonna take my, 12 and 13 year
old lift and that stuff and and rub
rain, how for them and said, we stepped
back a little bit and
Qantas made was stop check before lit. Need
to get out there 2 weeks later. And
what are some of the things that you're
you're focused on? Like, for that camping trip
with your kids there?
Mean, what were you looking for then? The
season was open? Were you mostly looking for
animals or this still
concentration of sign or what exactly were you
kinda keen on? Little bit of bull there,
you know, and then kind of the way
of the train, but visually see the animals
make sure they're even there was a was
a big priority for it. And like I
said, we were able to sell some bolts
on dis ridges went through the glass and
then on the stuff that we could hide
tea remotely close. We were looking for a
fresh sign. Are we weren't planning a whole
lot of fresh sign in that area which
told me maybe the elk there till later
in the season But at that present time,
first part of September, it seemed like they're
deeper into the area out farther away the
main roads. Farther than what I wanted to
take to change on at that time. And
when you're east scouting and you laid out,
how many plans do you how typically do
you try and get, like, ABC
in b just 3 or 4, or 5
or 6. I mean, kind of... How's that
shake out for you? I always have a
plan a, And then, you know, that's always
what you think is going to be in
the best who's fault hard. A lot of
times as well, those plan don't turn out
into it. A great avenue of approach per
s. And then there's times were plan Dc
d and e does over her cow I
left scratching my head and and wondering if
Size I was even picking the right stuff
spot to the begin well, but, yeah. I'm
always of course an action kinda guy being
hatch military and all that. So I always
have at least that like to have an
Ab and see. Ab in areas I expect
to find the animals, and the reason I
picked that as area a is is the
scouting that I've done the call to ph
looking at past weather patterns, picking the areas
that have had more rainfall in anticipation that
the grass is gonna mean there if the
feeds there, I think the animals are gonna
be there. So a lot of times my
course of action, my a plan is going
to be the area that is hat... Maybe
a little bit more moisture in the past,
between more grass, creating the more animals, and
hopefully leading the more success. I theory of
that I would choose for b is gonna
be another area that's decent, it might not
have about the moisture content is in the
first 5. But it still has the tree
you'll still find animals in there as well
as much as they browse them the for
food. It seems like they're gonna be a
little bit everywhere, maybe not as much as
spot and plan a, but you should still
be able to get into animals there. And
then the seed plan is going to be
Thing, you know, some some of those places
that
maybe hunted as much as as other areas
and a lot of times on the math
or if that don't look like would be
a spot you maybe 1 but surprisingly enough
if there's been times where I've ended up
in clan c and half found really good
animals and and maybe it's because people aren't
more there is off. Do you decide when
you're gonna jump from, let's say, plan a
to plan b? I mean, how does that
normally shake out? Do you have a set
amount of time or just like a feeling?
How You just feel like you've exhausted day
and it's just not gonna work out for
you and then go to be? I mean,
how's that... How do you decide that? So
Lot of times it's gonna be based on
how much time do I have a hunt
particular area. Yep. I'm not finding animals within
then first. 2 to 3 days, especially if
there's not fresh sign. By mining sand, it's
gonna extend my time in those areas a
little bit longer, but if I'm not finding
fresh sign within that first couple days, maybe
3 days, I wanna move off into another
area and and try it. You know, it's
a that's a good point. You gotta give
it enough time that it can develop, but
not too much time that you can't shift
gears to somewhere else. Absolutely.
I guess 1 of the questions is and
I know seems like you hunt a by
yourself a lot. How do you decide how
far and you wanna go and what variables
playing into that. So so many different variables.
First and foremost. Is gonna need the weather.
Is it gonna be hot? Is he gonna
be cool? That's gonna determine how far and
getting into some of these areas. If the
weather's is gonna be too hot, and I
can get an talent successfully by myself in
time without it spoiling, I'm gonna pull back
terrain bit and maybe not go as deep
as I win some many other times. So
this last year was great. Great example. I
got into really rough terrain. The terrain was
just talking about a little bit ago where
I saw those bulls. I went about 2
weeks later and his family wasn't with, and
I hiked into that that country by myself
really the nasty stuff a lot steeper than
I anticipated, but I got into a really
really amazing country. And I had camp set
up and we're was that was within a
couple hundred of the yards where I seen
all those goals who leaks prior. So, I
expected come daylight. I'm gonna be in... The
thick of it. And I'm gonna have a
alcohol over. Right? And that wasn't the case.
No. I put all cars in for that
in 2 weeks after I saw... The bulls
there wasn't a a single help to be
found in that immediate area. I step around
that area for 2 days. Did a lot
of hiking, a lot of scouting
Again, scouting during hunting right, it shouldn't be
that way I should been just hunting, but
it didn't pan out the way I it
just faded I did end up finding a
on my way out. But I could've made
a play on that hole. The problem was
I got in a little bit too deep.
And the weather was hot. We were pushing
up in in the eighties. And it un
a season warm weeks that week and and
against, you know, I all judgment told me
and I leave the ball alone. I think
I couldn't killed that mold, but would've been
lucky it to get 2 quarters out, and
what I lost a lot of meat. So,
you know, I'm not all about just killing
the animal, the spoils are taken. Taking holding
the meat is the a huge priority. On
that hunt, I did pull back. Move back
closer to trail threads and bumps some of
those areas at that time you know, typically,
when I think of you, I think of
you kill them some really good animals, how
do you base that judgment on when you're
in a general season area. I mean, How
do you get a idea of the bulb
that you're looking for? Is it just a
set number in your mind already? How do
how does that work out for you? Typically?
So I've changed this strategy quite a bit
over the years. What out y? Younger than
I am now it seemed like my number
was a lot higher than it is now.
Then, I guess that's the thinking back to
what my dad said as you get older,
any goals change a little bit or maybe
your objectives change a little bit. But I
went from wanting to kill bigger animals when
I the at killing still everybody wants to
killed the angle. Right? But the reality of
it. Sometimes you're gonna the whole more often
than not, maybe with them on film. If
you have your expectations too high. Again, we're
gonna be looking at those areas. And if
it's a limited draw area, my number gonna
be quite a bit higher than it it's
gonna be on a general area, limited entry.
It's gonna be again back to the research.
What's been killed in that area past what
time of box are taken out of there.
A lot time of have been taken out
of in that area.
Antenna base that number off of that. If
I'm in the general area, still, you can
get statistics on past Hans kinda lay your
average.
Scoring doctor Bull is in that area, and
they off that. And then the experience, you
know, it's hard to put a score on
on the experience that you get while out
the woods and a lot of times if
the experience is there that animals gonna be
laid in mega animal than what you will
would have taken?
Without having all the experience. I'm missing kinda...
I'm kinda all over the place on that.
Everybody wants to kill off, a ball over
tree after I everybody wants to kill buck
over 1 80, any anymore of the real
reality of that happening has scheduled less and
less over years.
Especially when you're getting into these january years.
Well, I thank that, and I'm sure that
this all is true for you, but, you
know, there was a time where archer season
wasn't as popular as it is now. There's
a lot less people out. A lot less
bug being thrown around. And I think it
really has made a lot more challenging.
In a lot of these spots in a
lot of these general areas just
amount of pressure. Just a number of bug
or calls in general that these elk hearing
on the daily. From people, and then, you
know, you get older, like you you have
your kids, your kids straw tags, you gotta
try to balance
your time off for you and your kids
and and get all that worked out too
and that plays a part for sure. It
really does. It changes a lot of it.
You know,
You go back
15 years ago, 20 years ago or longer
than that when I was...
The only 1 I had to worry about
is, like, So I had more time to
spend out of the woods. I only have
to worry about my time off of board.
I didn't have to worry about kids school
and... Have to very worried about my wife
concur work. So it has come harder over
the years to spend more time out there.
So I guess that... Maybe that quality, I
have of animal that I expect just came
down a little bit. Yeah. Likelihood of finding
animals like used in the past definitely choose.
It's not same. You know, everything was changed
from online, you know, all the really great
forums out. They great odd. Out there it
really has Changed dynamic I'm and and it
has to become more competitive over the years.
Yeah. Just the amount of knowledge out there
in general, And my guess last week, a
mark say. That was 1 of his things,
you know. There's only 2 ways to get
better,
and that's experience or knowledge. And the experience
level is how many days you can get
out in the field. And the only way
to up that without getting more days in
the field is to expand your knowledge level
And there's so many resources for that right
now. There.
And it's kinda funny and there's gonna be
a lot of pun intended here, but... And
There are a lot of expert hunters out
there now. A lot more than they used
to be in the past you contribute that
a lot to...
Podcasts and forums platforms that are out there
inmates people have a lot more knowledge at
a lot or faster time than what it
used to be in the past You and
I can talk from experience with that. A
lot of these young guys coming in into
it now. They might know more than I
did. 5 years I'm. They might know more
in their first year hunting that I ever
did in inside use that. It's the dynamics
rule changed. Well, I think even for me,
I'm constantly learning, you know, like, we'll get
in and I don't know. Who's maybe not
for you, but sometimes I feel like Giving
a rut or something works for me so
much that I don't try other stuff. And
then, you know, I'll hunt with people and
they'll have fiber or 6 different ways that
they do it. I'll have 1. Just because
it always typically pans out for me. Oh,
yeah. Yeah. There's course of actions. Right? We
gotta get stuck in ride just like you
say, something's worked for you in the past,
you wanna keep coming back in that, and,
you know, being... Having a little bit more
diversity in different ways to do so school
definitely change the outcome. Hold alright. I kinda
wanna shift gears just a little bit and
talk about white tail season. I know when
you're talking white tails, you're talking at home
that you're... Your scouting game is different, but
it does to next level using a lot
of different resources. Why don't you just touch
on that as it calls out in this
podcast. You bet describing for White tel. Yeah,
drastically different than what it is for meal
and and el. It's local. It's within a
hundred miles from home have several cameras up
there. A water sources,
trails,
and I tran check those cameras once a
week once every 2 weeks. Some of them
once every 3 weeks. And I... It's... My
cameras are in a a big location now
within the next few weeks until we're getting
into late part of August, those cameras and
will tighten up into smaller areas. A trying
to narrow down certain bucks and went whatnot.
The season here South Dakota for White hail,
and air both and out starts all September
ones. Quite a bit different Scouting Yeah. Learning
where the box are and trails, bedding scenarios,
feeding scenarios and kind in travel corridors in
between. The white tail gonna be a little
bit different this year. Because...
September 1. I might add a target knock
this year. And not really narrowed it down
to a target month, month 13 13 year
old son. He's been helping me check cameras
and he's got.
So Oh, a couple different mo where pip
names for and pops you wants to go
after.
And September will now the actor all in
South Dakota 19 years to dr hey. I
was lucky that's a jaw on archer intake
here in South Dakota. So that's spent a
lot of
scouting throughout throughout chris summer. Oh, yeah. That
that's super exciting.
I mean, just the excitement of finally drawn
the tag after you wait 2 decades is
is next level to the anticipation of what
you can turn up. It's it's sad to
see, you know, I'm in the South dakota,
but it's the way they manage your elk.
It's technically used it works in a lifetime
tag anymore. It took me 19 years. I
gotta wait
line years before I can apply again
and shoot by then. You know, or knows
what's gonna blood direction in my life is
gonna be. So I really look at it
as a once a lifetime tight. So I'm
gonna go all in in September and and
draw everything I can at that hunt to
to tree hunt and and see what happens
this point And are you approaching that a
little bit different since that's more of a
local... Hana are you... Are you approaching that
more like you do White tel? Or more
like... You do the same kind of touting
for Montana. It's kind of a mix and
ball I spent a lot of time on
the Internet you using different resources looking at
now. So I have called and talked to
biologists about certain areas, but the nice thing
with the beauty about it, it's it's within
an hour hour and a half drive from
Home. So I've been... Doing a lot of
boots out your a lot of hiking. I'm
staying out of the thick timber because I
know that's where the elk bedding night I
wanna be pushing out those areas, but I'm
doing a lot of hiking along. Creek beds
and anywhere where there's of water. And kinda
looking for areas that shows heavy sign, heavy
use come September rubs, swallow,
stuff like that. And I'm binding the wall,
I know they're not yet yet in hell.
But that's gonna change here in the next
12 3 weeks. It's gonna really
And but... So as I get closer, they
said, September, I'll probably pull back and maybe
not scout as much. So I'm not in
there educating me or pushing around there. Nice.
What of the things I'm curious about you
know, what my this lt tag? You found
a lot of buddies you know since this
is such a special limited.
Deal a lot more community we'll share information
with you or where they're seeing these bowls
Or is it still kind of pretty secretive
do you find? It is it can be...
30 secret still even know it it takes
time to draw hey. I imagine if I
reach out 2 more people, I would probably
get more gel, but 30 I'm kind of
approaching this as
I want as much experience as I can
join this state on my own, reached out
to a couple guys. A couple buddies that
I... No. No the area as well, and
they've been a huge asset. But I guess,
I haven't
cast out there that I hand the day
and a kinda rewire on myself in a
couple of friends just to get as much
knowledge and ted. Yeah. And sometimes being loki,
pays off a lot, I know 1 of
my buddies be a really good tag, and
it seemed like anytime he pretty
recognizable truck. And any anytime a that parked
to bear. I started to see a couple
trucks not parked too far away every time
that we get out have out. So I
do think that sometimes that can be a
problem also. Absolutely. And and don't wanna advertise.
Openly as much as... You see on some
of the forums that are geared towards hunting
it sounds. Kona people are saying, oh, I
drew this tag. This is the area. I'm
going to, and that's just not something I've
ever done, but you hit the nail on
the head. You people know my vehicle, they
see it somewhere and and you're absolutely ready
to start showing up more and more, the
more I park there. Well, I don't know
about anybody else but yeah. I'd probably fall
you around. I like to...
No. I no doubt you'd be on a
big bull. I do find it, you know,
The first time my dad ever drew Utah,
and it was the same way he had
16 points or something which was Max points
at the time, and
It was just... I don't know. We just
didn't really know how to do it because
we we never experienced it in 16 years.
You know what I mean, it was our
first.
Limited entry hunt in Utah, we didn't really
know what to expect. And after that, we've
been lucky enough to draw a couple different
limited entry tags and get a feel for
it, but that first time you don't really
don't know what to expect because I had...
It was the first time really that we
focused about hunting Elk the rut normally. We
hunt him later in October. During the general
season and and it was just tell overwhelming
experience right off. Yeah. Yeah. I could imagine.
And I'm doing with a lot of pressure.
Sad to say that I know areas in
wyoming
Montana, more than I know areas right here
in my backyard within an hour's dry. And
it's sad to say I lived here as
long as I have, but you know, I've
never never went off to me on here
in my own state, and it's sad to
say I know more about Elk, other seats
or the new. So that does put a
little pressure on me to find a dead.
Yeah. The nice thing is once you learn
out behavior, you find over the broad that
they do the same thing. They're they're looking...
They're keen in on the same features of
the terrain, the same feed
the same looking for cows. So, I mean,
at the end of the day, if you're
hunting them in September, they're doing what they
do in September If you're hunting them in
October, they're doing what they do in October.
Yep. That's why lot my doubting, but it's
been un hot the last seems like a
couple weeks here. So the time I spend
out there... Early in the mornings late evenings,
Think it's a cool day. Spend most of
the day out there. Yeah had just checking
mainly water. I'm focused on water right now,
and we've had some bear mount rain, checking
some areas where there's been burns in the
past or some clearing of the forest, and
just kinda taken a big area each time
I go out I tried to arrow down
just a little bit more, But wanna a
step, but there, there might be a be
done a whole different bridge than when I'm
thinking I'm gonna find them come arrow September.
So we'll see. Alright, Garrett. I'm super excited.
I can't wait to see how that South
Dakota Elk shakes out for you. I know
you got a lot of other hunt coming
up this year too So it'd be exciting
to follow you along the season. If anybody
has any questions, wants to follow you? Or
can I find you at? Primarily Facebook.
Blue grade, pretty easy to find and then
instagram is jared underscore blue. No. Talk channels
and none of that jazz, but just
Little Facebook and.
Alright. And of course, They can always private
message there on Rock? Jared Bloomberg. Yes. Yeah.
That's been a great resource over there. Get
a lot of messages issues on aux like.
Alright, Darren and I appreciate it. And like
I said, we'll catch out the view here
after a while. Sounds good. Thank you, Saying.
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show, he's gonna tell us about some expensive
optic testing that he's been doing, and I'm
excited to hear the results. So welcome to
the show, Will. Hey Thanks for having me
back on. Sam. So I saw these 2
setups at the expo and try them out
a little bit myself, but why don't you
just go ahead and jump in tell everybody
what you've been up to? Hey Well, I
think about the little over 2 years ago,
I haven't to have the Vg x. I
think I and Robbie review and I've been
knew this spotting stop and looking for your
1 eye and finding these dear box and,
you know, realizing that a lot. A lot
of bucks are just locked a list somewhere
or they're easily glass up and either you've
gotta be right on top them, which is
fine or really look at them from a
had an last point or very far away
on and so, you know, Dot the Bc.
I tested out all 3 objectives that they
had it back. Time, And then I settled
on at Millimeter are objective. And I've been
using that as really not only spotting to
for the past couple years now, a lot
of different. I would say Helen Elk. Deere.
A little bit of everything. And really just
had no no problem with it. Really, there
was no problem. Like, you know, I thought
maybe the 30 power fix would be a
huge share kinda let down, but really didn't
when me looking at both eyes, even, it's
only third power, you see so much more.
And so I, I kinda of realize that
that
was plenty of power. It was doing everything
I needed it to do.
And I thought I'd be done for a
long time until I realized that if Sw,
the S ftc
doing spotty still existed.
And on paper, it seemed to kind of
yeah that jean mean, you know, over the
12:12
power hand or 10 power hand all way
to that 30. So just a wire you're
going need to mac vacation in Zoom, which
is final don't, on paper the big issue
with the D e as you're stuck with
1 power or, you know, 2 powers if
you add on my ex
And I ended up just getting 1 of
the single Scc. I sold and traded and
and done some fin enabling and decided to
have 1 of those from my back spotter,
but look through it and realize like, wow.
This stays they're like an incredible image and
such a small package. And and then from
there, I a sort reading I think travis
was have said the cheesy big eyes and
intrigued me.
And decided I was gonna little into set,
put it together and then compare sonic body
saw that or T x. And try to
use it for, you know, a month or
2, at least enough time at least in
that hours really
feel for it and not just a quick
glance. You know, off the whatever I. Yeah.
That's 1 of the big things that I
really liked about the review is you know,
A Bt is expensive. But 2 S
it's probably pretty close to similar price. That's
a lot of money to have tied up
in optics for a long term. It was.
And, you know, I knew I was gonna
fell or return or It was not gonna
cheap to than forever, but I figured here
I might as well, probably log Guys I
said the same question. I'm like, oh, well,
these 2 things are pretty similar so accomplish
the same task. Which 1? And I figured
if I could just, you know, hold on
do it for a month or so longer
than I anticipated, or then I plan to,
Maybe get some good information out there. Sure.
So why don't you tell us a little
bit about your testing how that all? I'll
1 together. So the the first kind of
fertile, I guess is getting those S c's
set up for no eyes, and I had
already measured my intra distance. So I knew
that it should fit. You have to have
somewhat of a wide set eyes or at
least a lot of average, I think for
them to actually work for your eyes. But
I got the bracket yet, and I got
the sc set on the bracket... And from
there you have to make small adjustments to
rocket. So essentially, each scope is pointing at
exactly in the same spot. And that's took
a little bit of trial error. Adam s
adapter has got some great instructional videos and
kinda literature on how to do that. But
until you mess with it, Well, does it
all kind of click and so Spent some
just, you know, after work messing with them
I'm getting perfect get 1 set until I
really kinda met side by side. Because if
you don't have them perfectly set up, you'll
still see 1 image, but suddenly just doesn't
quite feel right, Google's feels like a cheap
pair locking,
and you just know that something's things off.
Yeah. I little about high strain doesn't have
that honesty
natural feel and look luxury it. Yeah. Took
me a couple of days. I even went
badly layers or well, we try readjust and
just make sure that this is, you know,
this is perfect. I'm eventually figure like, okay.
This is good. And kinda went out to
13 from here. The evans adapter with that
micro adjust system
allows you to fine tune it and indefinitely
really. And I think that that really is
what opened. Yeah the gateway to a lot
of these big guys that I'm starting to
see pop up. In case people don't know.
I tried the the big guys at the
Expo with the Sd
and my eyes, I think we're a little
bit too narrow. You gonna have 2 inch
2 dot 562
0.6. Yeah. Yeah. To get in. And then
just Don't know of course I was inside
the building, but I just didn't feel super
comfortable with me. I couldn't really get lined
up. Yeah. It's it's not something that you
can just... Quickly easily jump right in. It's
not something that you'd wanna set up the
neck before a hans. Really, it's not something
you'd want to go wrong in a field
either necessarily, which Yeah. Maybe that's a day
drawback and that I kinda talked about marvel.
Might have not will become misaligned. I've been
taking them on little scouting trips and shooting,
and, they're in my, date pack out here
not to go to the cold challenge. But,
yeah, That getting them set up perfectly. It's
not as easy as just a para of
or anything like that. They're But you you,
man the view is is really good. Well,
I wondered if that was part of my
problem too, Like, say it's the guy that
owned it had set it up for him,
and it just wasn't set up for me.
And Might gave me a little off putting
view. Yeah. Definitely. So,
you know, I had, like, there's the general
just... How do these work? Out of these
look? And so I started going out on
our winter range. I wonder there's still some
dear this spring. And just blasting with both
D etfs with those playing with you know,
using an our
modifications and really just get me possible with
them. And I did that for and number
of trips and kinda, you know, took nodes
and collected my thoughts, and then I, ended
up getting 1 of those Us air force
resolution checks. Because to my high, I felt
like there was maybe a slight difference in
the resolution. I felt like the Bt bts
was maybe a little bit better, but I,
you know, I wanted to get some objective
information on that. And so I put it
up.
Outside the back works. So I do at
it in different light levels we'll look at
it a couple days in a row and
try to really see if there was a
difference and in terms of just pure what,
you know, what resolution, what element can I
see? It was the same. But to my
eyes, I felt, like, when I'm looking at
that smallest little element Bg x was just
a little easier to tell what it was
and so resolution wise and they were really,
really close. And I don't think that's everything.
I think that's very important, but, you know,
I went into a lot of the other
kinda staff I, guess if you will, and
and some that we're just like feeling it
out. About the lines and I would fall.
Yeah. And not read to review And I
mean, for the most part, they're pretty close
all the way neck and neck through all
of the testing that you did Yeah. I
mean, you you really can't go wrong with
you 1. Know, also wouldn't say, you know,
go out and get alone. You, you know,
take a second word job of your house
if buy 1 of these because, you know,
it's... You gotta have 1. It's a niche
thing. This kinda of long range, glass. But
if you're already kinda, you know, into that
or have 1, then, you, for sure
to S ftc maybe guy said it as
something they could consider. Yeah. Go ahead. I
just gonna say, why don't we just jump
right into kind of the size and the
weight comparison, which I found super interesting in
your review. Yes. So weight wise, they're almost
the same for the VTX 85,
and the S t big guy set up.
I put him on my scale with, you
know, a plate and air
will it would then 2 for that 85
millimeter setup. The 95 stand be able to
add your by 6 or 8 ounces something
like that. The size is what I really
I appreciate on the Scc. It's a small
little almost square box 6 package. So I
don't have a case for it yet. There's
not 1 available. I've just been sliding it
in my hydration pouch of 2 different date
packs, and it's small look they can actually
fit in there where the B x is
is longer, and it's got that, you know,
curve kinda awkward angle to it, so I
don't can't send that in the day pack.
It rival that awkward in the pack. It
it seems like a small thing, but really
got compact package on Medici is... This needed
to be nice. The size and space is
is a lot more than weight and a
lot of times for me too, just that
super large spotting and scope can be hard
to find the spot that it rides nice.
Let's see. What else? They're pretty neck and
neck. They weigh about the same, which surprised
me. Obviously, the S c's are a little
more compact like a big pair of bin
vernacular. I can just joke right in this
it would it be. Big. Yeah. Whole difference
is there. And really, the the first thing,
a that
is a a major difference is the ability
to go all the way down to 17
hour on past Gc
and there that field view is very, very
large. I don't have a way to measure
it, but I think, you know, it it
compares to S c 15.
The field view is a little bit narrower,
but that magnification is a bit bigger. So
it's it's a very wide, very bright view
on 17.
Is excellent for, you know, searching across escape
and and turn to pick up. Pick movement.
And then you've got the ability to zoom
all the way into to 45 power
and you can stop really any power in
between, know, sometimes garages is an issue and
and then the lobby has really got at
35 power. But if you dial all back
to 1 5 or 20. Also sudden that
mu is gone and you've got image that
doesn't have any extra movement and so you
can kick out animal movie view the brush
much easier. And so just that functional
component was
just a huge difference in a think being
able to settle in at a lower power
lower than 30 is gonna just make for
a more versatile
overall useful.
Pocket tool. F 30 power on at VTX,
you know, if you're looking at close, if
you're looking within a mile mile a half,
if field view is small that you may
be missing step just outside of your field
of view, and you end up moving the
optic more, you're not sitting there, just kinda
watching for that. Subtle. And so I really
want the ability to have actually the last
password from the X on a bond and
I think that's gonna really just gonna be
more useful. It's gonna me that I use
this than more often than maybe it didn't
my Pt, which
them it's a long... Is. For sure, just
being able to turn something up into lower
power and then being able to zoom in
to it get a closer look and go
back to lower power is put around more
Zoom back in. Yeah. I can imagine that
that's a a huge upgrade. Yeah. So other
evening, I I did some shooting and I
stock by on 1 of these...
Migration ra. Just to look quickly for sand
deer. What I did, I was kinda scanning
around at about 40 25 power looking a
mile, mile a halfway at a old brush
side. I picked up a deer, and so
I wash it for a minute and it
couldn't tell if it was a buck or
a dough, you know, so she have little
tell and n right now. I assume all
winds you're 45, which is Okay. This is
too much stacked it out to 80 35
40 in Washington for a second. And I
can tell he had, you build a nuts
on there. And so just the ability to
kind quickly change that power,
And not... You can look through 1 eye
and do that and go back to where
word,
being will look with both eyes 30 power
or 40 power 45.
All just so much work with the bulb
dean and inspiring scale. It's really hard for
imagine it been... Yeah. I think that was
the draw to the beat. T ryan is
2 wires are obviously better than 1 for
all aspects and plastic. Yeah. I think just
being able to stay in the glass longer
and... Sit there comfortably watching. You know, sometimes
the years far away and the lighting is
turn off and really you just need it
to turn its habit right way for you
to tell, what you're looking at and be
able to sit there with 2 eyes and
watch it comfortably,
and it's just a more effective, more effective
way and that's not even, you know, talking
about. Greeting and scanning and looking over lots
of country trying to picks out the new.
I guess in closing out, there was only
1
potential negative that you found with the S
big guy guys what you wanna talk about
that just a little bit. Touch on them
again? Yeah. I think I think what you're
referring to is the just kinda to penetrate
into the shadows? And it's not something that
I've seen in a lot of other
reviews, but it's something that's very important as,
you know particularly a deer hunter. And so
the sort of the main test I had
for that was a mountain near my house
where there's some resident deer that occasion with
And I was glass it was... I remember
about 4 miles off on this big shaded
hillside pretty early in the evening, but early
out that something might come out. Now it
could really tell that the V x could
really pick out your details of rocks and
bushes on that mountain in shadow, much better
than the S scc.
And I shouldn't say mush carrier, it's if
you were to whole look through the S
ftc, you wouldn't
necessarily fault. But when you're looking donny by
side going back and tour. Really that Bt
has just an additional hole and what, I
think contrast and maybe just some additional optical
elements or coding something about it, this makes
that image in the shadow pop much better.
And so I don't know that that's gonna,
you know, make or break I've run it
for me. It was significant. I felt like
I I needed to comment. I'm I'm not
sure I would
information, because I still chose to keep the
Sd seats. I felt, like, it just a
much or so. But on miso package. I
think the 1 last thing that you kinda
mentioned there, and we hit on kinda early
is, you know, when you adjust... The
culmination to your eyes. You know, is that
gonna be affected during field use. You really
haven't got them out throughout the year. I'll
be interested the find a follow up and
see how well your adapter held together. And
if you had make an adjustment or 2
throughout the season. Yeah. I really I really
hope they do you boulder up. Know, not
banging them around. I'm not gonna do the
rock side... The rock slide drop tests on
these things. Certainly, they're gonna get quite bit
use this fall. And for now, I'm gonna,
you pack an allen wrench just in case
of the needs so tightened up. And now
that I really know that confirmation process, it
shouldn't be too difficult if I if I
had to do that in the field, but,
you know, that bracket is is really well
made. It's a quality piece craftsmanship ship. And
so... And hope both screws all hold tight,
but think I might lock tight some of
them down,
torque down really good, but, yeah, that's expensive
I can drown down where that thing's gonna
hold up. Alright, Will.
Congratulations on having 2 of the best optics
in the world and getting to choose between
the 2. I appreciate you, and I appreciate
your wife letting you
do some testing force. I know my wife
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Alright. Moving on.
Lucky to catch up with cad.
Again, over there at M, he's gonna be
telling us a little about
1 of my favorite rifle scope.
The rs 1 point tube.
So it's getting some rave reviews over there.
So I'm super excited to dive into it.
Welcome to S Kate? Yeah. Thanks for having
me man. I appreciate it. So why don't
you, go ahead and tell us a little
bit about the 1.2.
Some of its features and then we'll talk
about how it's been thrown on the ground
and still working like a shit. Sure. The
Rs s 1.2
is a... Second generation of our Rs 1.
Basically, in our naming conventions for products are
we call them what they are. Numbers that
they released, And then if they have if
they say basically within the scene format, but
have some major changes that we do a
point to and their next generation I. Software
update. And so Rs 1 was our very
first rifle scope we put out and put
it out in 20 17 name. That's great.
2 and a half to 15 by 44
and kind of follow along with our tradition
of not wanting to,
you know, follow the pack.
3 to 9 by 4 is the standard
rifles scope that you don't know what my
grandpa had on his bounds. And so the
logic thing for a company to do is
that a first rifle scope would have been
a 3 to 9 by 4.
The technologies come along the ways. More partnered
over in Japan, make some fantastic optics and
have some great engineering is wizard, well why
not why not broaden that. Spectrum. So the
3 to 9, the 2 and a half
to 15 pitch a little bit more low
end a little bit more on the high
end, but still is a dew wall onto
go. And so we released the
the Rs 1,
and the intention was it because of primarily
a hunting
and a little bit lower magnification we launched
it without,
exposed turret.
Oral illumination, but that time, there were still
about 12 seats that didn't allow illuminated rifle
scope for running as a small company
wash and push pile, but legal in some
states,
kinda.
That make some choices there.
We went non eliminated and we went non
turret. Don't we release additional Life dose? Rs
2 also lightweight weighed 2 to 10 by
38, still on my favorite rifle scope that
we make. I've killed rounds with that and
I think all our other scope. Combined, an
Rs 4 were based on the same platform
size to 30,
10 fit long range.
Rs 5 set in full. 9. And the
rs 3 was the first 1 we didn't
update. Rs 3.2.
You added.
Turret that we did on the old.
An qui, we did it from mai week
decided that it was with a little extra
wait town the through system all I with
my back did the 3.2 with the new
turret. And like the church so much. We
decided that maybe it was tied to update
her at 1, add that to it to
an add elimination now that there's just moving
down to a couple of states it'll
allow elimination, and we would add both models.
So early last year, we sat down and
sort of work on the design for that.
Got some prototypes out and set them around
to a few people and that's positive reviews.
But Ross Wanted to wave we had production
to make sure that it was... Anyone maybe
golden sample it can lean team, and we
wanna do make sure that we're were telling
the right stories. So we got rock slide,
a production sample,
delicious smith. Yeah form. That's how we call
Now we can say his name. Just out
form. Yeah. So foreign tested and did via
get the drop test. You either said it
on other podcast podcasts and there'd beat loa
if I didn't say here. And the 1
thing I have credit up form list and
actually a whole lot light brew on the
drop test is that it it is now
standardized.
Like it doesn't matter if Sand man's doing
the test, if chuck doing the test. Whoever
does them, that they're they're doing them the
same way on the same materials at the
same heights. And so I feel like we're
getting some, you know, some consistent results. And
a lot of times those results are failure.
We're not just on our products, but across
the board, They think do the lot that
don't don't make it.
Rs 1.2
test well at held 0 of follow brew
on the tests fail and those results came
out, that made it a very desirable scope.
It's it's an anomaly
for us in that. It is 1 of
10 total scope we make where the mill
is more popular than the Moa.
Attribute, that to the Ross light crowd, I'm
not sure if it's because loss lighter shoot
mill a lot more or because fun tested
the mill and they think that's all in
under shade sea because that has nothing to
been with it, but I think it could
be, just, you know, that particular combination worked
very well. I think the Jar Re is
a great re. I developed that in a
really close conjunction some conversation with Ryan Avery.
Spends a lot of time behind scope and
had some very strong opinions and some great
feedback on making that a a better re
So I think a lot of lot of
things came together, we kinda mentioned in the
pre conversation about, you know, what did we...
You different on this? Let we go on
the others and it was the Rs s
5, which was the the first 1 that
went through the drop test that did not
pass when That was a prep production. I
did go back to our engineers and asked
on what was difference including the 5 at
the 1.2
on why it holds and why Dublin Par
they believe it should hold or test on
on it. But really it is a different
optical system. It's a second focal plane.
Gets a little bit longer to a little
bit more things to tweet. But what we
cheese internally from Rs 1
was nothing,
except for the turret components that babe the
top turret exposed and at a deal of
an issue. There might be some generations of
materials just this to pause and stuff come
through through, but
rs S1R1
0.2 have the same species. To my knowledge,
rs s 1 has never been on through
the drop test, And I'd be happy to
send 1 in It's is that something people
wanna review. I know I personally drop tested
the rs 1 on a hunt in South
Africa 2 years ago. The swivel team off
of my rifle and the sling dropped and
it fell and landed directly on the bell
and tee in a athens dent in the
top of the bell, makes checked my 0,
the range of the yearly that the guide
had set up. And without making an adjustment,
A I shot
4 more animals on that trip with it.
You was a shot. Now that's an anecdotal.
Right? That's not a
scientifically can full test, but I do believe
or 1 stands up with Rs s 1.2.
I'll take all the praise you can get
for it because it's it's...
It isn't great scope up glad that it
passed there's test. And really insight the
the lot slimy
crowd are very passionate group of people and
they move the needle. To city Why the
product we're putting out and they're happy with
what we're doing and I'm happy that we
can put provide the product full. For sure,
when it first came out, I didn't know
what to think. If you had told I
would put a 27 ounce rifle stop on
the top of my light right, light,
rifle, I would never believed it. I mean,
it is a tool, and at the end
the day, you want your tool to work.
I mean, I have 1 on my rifle
currently, I paid full price for it. Happy
to do it. The most frustrating part right
now is you can't get 1 Right? Like,
I think that can be super frustrating when
you want it so much and and you
just You don't know when the next one's
gonna come... Yeah. There's a... That's an interesting
solve for us to have. I read a
forum them. Post about drop culture on rock
slide on how. We're doing these limited releases
to keep the, keep interest stop. Let me
tell you how untrue that is. If I
could get a thousand them tomorrow, I would
buy a thousand owned. Lead time on on
the school production time is 5 months. So
yours some in November and we mixed between
mill and Moa. You got in, you know,
a hundred of each. In
November, and the forms post team out, like
a week before we released it, and we
sold out that first hundred mills in 4
or 5 days then buzz started generating, so
I immediately. I... At that point, I did
not have another order then coming in. I
immediately placed a another rush orders splitting the
difference again, the next batch came in 5
months later like, they are we gonna see
this a satisfy the crowd is the last
80 people that wanna scope couldn't get their
scope and
these things pull them back to the little
interest levels and that sold out in 4
hours.
Since then, I think I've got it a
total of another 400 because we're basically 5
months from that window,
and they're selling out in hours. I've got
80 more coming in next week.
I don't have any anymore coming in talk
to because they'll... The first time I wrong
by 2000 sat on the shelf and then
I saw 80 and solomon did. I correct.
And so it says fine balance of
satisfying the means without going out of business
because I have a house of say shelf.
The October shipments will be much more substantial
they'll be in the hundreds of pieces.
But 5 months is just you can react.
So I'll sell he's in October and if
he sell at all, while being a panic
because I'm 5 months out from being able
to doing anything about it. Yeah. I know
when I read the post that they had
some in stock. I had to pullover over.
My wife was, like, what are we even
doing us? And, I gotta do something... My
credit card out. Try to get it in
there. Hoping I could get 1 in the
cart. And get it checked out before they
sold out. I know it's been super frustrating
for a lot of other people. So I
hope everybody that wanted 1 can get it
when they release this next time, but I
don't foresee that happening. Well, we have some
very specific instructions in A right mail how
they have it. On the email list is
is cold. Now some mind get, the email
and then immediately jump on last and say
they're in stop and some people that aren't
on the list like Sue jumped we are
not holding any of set the the limit
earth of 1 at a time on Wednesday,
normally try to keep on keep chance and
getting them. And I have Moa and Hr.
You're willing to shoot in the circles instead
of the tens there's
we're sitting on the shelf without the whole
pass the draw test to you. Yeah. For
sure. Well, I appreciate you laying it Out
forest, K there. Let us know a little
bit about the in and outs of optics
industry when you hit a home run, just
trying to get the back in the bag.
And I think it is good to note,
you know that Yeah. This is a home
run. But if we haven't tested the other
products, most likely, there's a good chance from
your experience that they're built the same on
the internals? So be some definitely to look
at. People wanna check out more of your
rifle scope working they go to find you
guys at... This check this out it and
even built. Dot com. We've got them all
on there. They can check them out and
then I'll also check out our Youtube seeds
at m and look some of the reviews
and some of the stories and mouth and
stuff we have on there at
transformation. Alright. Thank, Kate. I look forward to
trying to pick up another 1 of these
sounds good Thanks. Alright, guys. Moving on. We're
lucky enough to catch up with the guys
at Black Office. We have Jason Johnston and
tie.
Good to be with the sam and the
rock cast fruit. So why don't you guys
just go ahead and just tell us what
you guys do over there Black os for
the people that never heard of you. Yeah.
For sure. I know a lot of people
heard of camel fire.
That's our that's our sister brand, if you
will. And then there's Black o with So
black. We've kinda focused on premium
haunting brands. Focused out west, but we are
growing a ton with a White tail crowd
back east as well. All the, you know,
tree stands and those types of accessories, but
we we've really just started to
started small, and it's grown into kind of
a mega storm. Where... We're based out of
here in West. Valley Utah. We have a
storefront, but we also have a huge online
presence. And Carrying, know, a ton of those
big name brands out there, you know, Sit
k, mystery Ranch. I mean, I really list
is endless, but I I just encourage anybody
jump on black dot com. Cool thing is
is we do have a special makeup brand
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for a synthetic top, keep of sun, different
her pants, for logo wear, the Black Of
brand is really just kinda become, like a
bang for your buck really solid hunting gear
for a really good price. It's on a
huge growth spurt these last few years. We're
seeing ton of customers jump from other big
names that may not see the benefit of
the price tag, of some of that really
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into something that's dang equivalent for, you know,
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little snapshot about us, but we're, you know,
we're growing all the time and and our
retail store is growing as well. We're getting
ready to do a revamp on that. So
You know, if you've been in here before,
you're gonna see a lot bigger things out
of our our storefront are here in West
Valley as well. So we we definitely encourage
people to come in and check it out.
What did I miss Tie? 1 thing,
Jason hit all that right on the head
that we're really excited for for the only
24.
This year, and and it seems like it's
kinda common in in the hunting industry is
new property. We've got some awesome pieces coming
out for 20 20 before. And without
without giving too much away, or excited to
offer a a new heavyweight
marino top,
that'll be coming down the pipeline
As Jay alluded to a a synthetic, we're
gonna be offering a p loft vest for
for our our consumer,
along with a a new pant. That's coming
out. And we're really excited for this. You
know, the 1 that we've already that you
were aware of Sam is is our our
plateau standing tripod.
And so we're stoked to continue to offer
killer pieces in the black Line to our
consumer base. Yeah. I really like your house
brand. You know, 1 of the things I
like. It's... It's reasonably priced for the average
sports man. You know, you don't have to
go and get a second mortgage on your
house, try and get a couple new pieces
for the upcoming hunt season. Yeah. A lot
of folks there there significant other spouses are
gonna appreciate the price tag. The here. You
know, you you mentioned our game bags earlier.
I feel like that's 1 piece of gear
that a lot of people kinda start with
from Black And then kinda snowball balls from
there. We offer a standard game bag, and
then we offer an ultra july aim bag
in multiple sizes. So whether you're hunting beer
or moose or whatever you've kinda got some
sizing options there. They're same thing. Just a
really cool game bag, especially for the money.
You know, I've been reusing mine for a
few years, and they wash. They look like
new again and I take him out the
next fall again. So, really cool game bag.
I think that if anybody's like, I've never
heard of these guys. Like, that's probably the
first piece Tell you to go check out,
try them out. And I think he'd be
really happy with them and gone are the
days I happened to use the cheap cheese
cloth game bags. Like, we're better than that.
We we owe it to the animal to
take care of you know, the meat that
we are lucky enough to harvest. Our game
bags are phenomenal... Well, I think the do
technology and game bags, you know, justifies our
price point. But not only that I agree
you ad, black o game bags. I don't
know. 5 or 6 years, and I'm a
wash and reuse, and I got the deer
size ones, and I don't know. They've had
sheep in them. They've had ante open in
there. You know, I've bone out of Elk
and had them in the deer bags. And
I get a lot of bag choices, and
it just seems like every time I wash
them, they get put back in my pack
and they're the ones that get pulled out.
The best ones are the ones that you're
using, You know? But I mean, I should
that. To that point, Sam, I think a
couple weeks ago as was we corresponding on
email. I had asked you the question, do
you hone or having used any block covid.
Gear and he immediately said, man, I've had
your gang bags for a couple years now.
And we love hearing that from from our
consumers. You know, we... Again, we'd like to
produce quality
hunting year that lasts, but is it going
to to break the bank? Yeah. And the
1 thing I really enjoy your website. Is
you can pull up what you want and
compare the brands all right there, so you
can stack them all up and and look
at the features you know, not only your
house brand, black o, but any sick pieces
and all that and have the comparison right
there, super simple. Yeah. We... Yeah. We've talked
a lot about our house brand, and it's
a huge player for us, but we couldn't
do this without of our without our strong
vendors. Right? They're all huge partners with us.
We appreciate all of them at... I mean,
they built some phenomenal year and we all
are aware of the quality of the your
nowadays versus 20 years ago. It's just night
and day. So you're right. Like, you know,
if you've got money to spend, there's some
awesome gear out there. We... You know, if
it's available in the retail space, you could
pretty much find it on a Block. We
try to carry it all and all that
there's gonna be some people that call me
out. Like, well, you don't have this and,
you know what? We're an open book, call
us if you think we should be carrying
it. You know, We always are trying to
get better. To Jason's point,
you know, anyone listening on on the rock
cast. And whenever hunts you have coming up
this fall, she felt.
Moose,
Caribou, any type of hunts, you know, our
our gear guide team, they they get after
it. And so when you need recommendations for
these very specific hunts, you know, whether it
be clothing, optics,
tripod pods, apart re tackle, boot socks, anything,
man, we really encourage everyone to
either call us or shooting an email in.
And these guys love talking and gear and
talking hunting, but also specifically tailoring it to,
you know, that hunt to that that you're
going on. So we encourage everyone to to
reach out with any questions about about their
hon or type of gear. Alright, guys. I
appreciate you coming on. And I do encourage
everybody to reach out to Black office. They
carry most of the name, brand stuff, all
the big players in the game, and those
guys get after and over there. And if
you need a gear recommendation, those guys have
been there and done it, and it's just
a simple phone call. We appreciate it, Sam.
Thank you for having us and wish you
the best luck on the following. Sure we'll
be in touch. If for anyone who has
any, you know, any questions or has an
awesome hunt coming of this fall. Best way
to to reach us as black over stock.
Sure shop all of our a blackout branded
product and our other retailers or help on
the phone and give us a call. Alright.
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