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the years. What y, younger than I am

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now it seemed like my number was a

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lot higher than it is. Now. And then,

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my dad said. As you get older, any

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goals change a little bit or maybe an

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objectives change a little bit? The But I

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went from wanting to kill bigger animals, what

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I was the other to killing still everybody

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wants killed the animal. Right? But the reality

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of it. Sometimes you're gonna a whole more

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often than not, maybe with an un unfiltered

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For your next adventure. Last tips, we learned

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from new secrets to ease scouting. This week,

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we stay focused on scouting. I've asked 1

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of Brock light's most consistent killer a big

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bulls and big box to share some of

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his scouting tips and tricks. I'm excited to

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have Jared Blu with us today. And he's

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gonna hopefully share some of what makes him

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so successful. So welcome to S? Hey. How's

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it going, Sam. I'm good to be on.

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Yeah. I'm super excited. For those people that

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don't know. To me, you're just 1 of

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the guys that's always getting it done and

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always on impressive animal. Why don't you kinda

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tell us where that kinda starts at? Well,

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it all starts with a luck. At wish

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it was just luck right. For a lot

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of it locked. But over the years, you

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know, I kinda come down with a a

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type of scouting I like to do, whether

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it's a play second.

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Step put on the ground or, like you're

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you're in it towards your es county. And

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that requires a lot of times step behind

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computer or a tablet, on my solo and

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look that different. Maps, stick from the apps

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that you can use to to pick apart

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land and terrain. That's been a huge huge

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benefit over the years is the change in

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technology. It's kind of a 2 sided sword,

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I guess he will it. The days of

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20, 30 years ago, having to drive 2

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plates just sprout. A lot of people aren't

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doing that anymore. You know, though the east

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scouting has become quite a popular thing and

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a very very good tool for a lot

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of our hunters to use anymore. Yeah. Do

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you find yourself, try to draw this same

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areas consistently or do you just kinda throw,

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like, a big net out there and and

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just hope to to see what you get

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and then figure it out So I used

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to be primarily

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before all the changes in map and that

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primarily used to put in for limited draw

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type areas whether it it'd be Montana Wyoming.

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changed a lot, the chances of drawing some

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of these limited entrant aids anymore you're looking

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at 8 plus years with points. Creep and

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everything else that's going on. So back in

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the day, it used to focus more on

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units that were known to hold some of

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the better animals I wish I could do

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that now. I've burned up all my points

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unlimited entry tags. So I started going more

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to general areas now. And has become a

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bit more difficult cool to find really big

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quality animals in the general areas, but that's

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not to say they're not there as well.

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guess, I have the experience of of looking

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for animals on units that are known to

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have some of the better animals. And then

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of the some good animals off some of

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these general units as well, which requires to

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me. I think more steady. So you mentioned

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your east scouting. So once you've sort of

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kind of throughout your east scouting

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areas you wanna check out. Do you try

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and get boots on the ground do you...

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few more days on your hunting and just

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kinda scalp and hunt together or how do

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you kinda prioritize that? So I I always

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try to get boots some around if I

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can. That always is a necessity for me

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if I can do it. There's been so

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many years where my family and I gl

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out. If I know I'm gonna have a

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table. Go out in the summer months with

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boots summit around do a lot of... Lot

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of Scott Norway a lot of hiking covering

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terrain, marking way points. In a lot of

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those areas, the animals

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necessarily in this pretend wanna help. The animals

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necessarily aren't there during that time in the

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summer because it seemed to be a little

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higher in the terrain. So at that time,

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south of the such. I do run occasionally,

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but usually in the summer when hot a

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lot of those elk up higher.

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kinda focus on those areas and narrowed. Yes.

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Great example. It's was this last year in

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Montana. Couldn't get boots on the ground. I

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was able to draw tank that I knew

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nothing about the area. Just didn't have time

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to get out there before season started the

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first time ever putting boots on that ground

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was the weekend the season her. And my

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family was along with me trainee ended up

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being a rough than I had

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anticipated. So although it was hunting and season,

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and that was to my bow and it

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was more of a a camping shirt per

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with my family getting to All the land.

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ahead of time, they laid my hunt a

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little bit, but overall, it did allow me

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to take me grade last year as well.

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But leading up to that. I'm having boots

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all of ground, and I did spend a

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lot of time

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east out prior to getting there. So once

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I was there, And we around the ground,

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and we hit it running and we knew

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the area somewhat. My anticipation was is a

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little bit different than what I thought it

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was gonna be, and maybe that's because I

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didn't realized that the impoverished lines were as

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close together as they were on my east

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scouting. I I never overlooked that part of

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it and we ended up in this... Up

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some train that was really nasty, really rough.

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mile or 2 away in some really deep

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rugged country and at at that time I

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wasn't gonna take my, 12 and 13 year

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old lift and that stuff and and rub

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rain, how for them and said, we stepped

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back a little bit and

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Qantas made was stop check before lit. Need

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to get out there 2 weeks later. And

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what are some of the things that you're

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you're focused on? Like, for that camping trip

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with your kids there?

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Mean, what were you looking for then? The

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season was open? Were you mostly looking for

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animals or this still

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concentration of sign or what exactly were you

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kinda keen on? Little bit of bull there,

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you know, and then kind of the way

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of the train, but visually see the animals

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make sure they're even there was a was

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a big priority for it. And like I

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said, we were able to sell some bolts

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on dis ridges went through the glass and

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then on the stuff that we could hide

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tea remotely close. We were looking for a

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fresh sign. Are we weren't planning a whole

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lot of fresh sign in that area which

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told me maybe the elk there till later

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in the season But at that present time,

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first part of September, it seemed like they're

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deeper into the area out farther away the

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main roads. Farther than what I wanted to

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take to change on at that time. And

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when you're east scouting and you laid out,

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how many plans do you how typically do

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you try and get, like, ABC

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in b just 3 or 4, or 5

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or 6. I mean, kind of... How's that

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shake out for you? I always have a

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plan a, And then, you know, that's always

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what you think is going to be in

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the best who's fault hard. A lot of

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times as well, those plan don't turn out

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into it. A great avenue of approach per

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s. And then there's times were plan Dc

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d and e does over her cow I

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left scratching my head and and wondering if

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Size I was even picking the right stuff

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spot to the begin well, but, yeah. I'm

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always of course an action kinda guy being

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hatch military and all that. So I always

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have at least that like to have an

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Ab and see. Ab in areas I expect

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to find the animals, and the reason I

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picked that as area a is is the

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scouting that I've done the call to ph

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looking at past weather patterns, picking the areas

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that have had more rainfall in anticipation that

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the grass is gonna mean there if the

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feeds there, I think the animals are gonna

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be there. So a lot of times my

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course of action, my a plan is going

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to be the area that is hat... Maybe

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a little bit more moisture in the past,

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between more grass, creating the more animals, and

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hopefully leading the more success. I theory of

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that I would choose for b is gonna

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be another area that's decent, it might not

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have about the moisture content is in the

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first 5. But it still has the tree

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you'll still find animals in there as well

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as much as they browse them the for

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food. It seems like they're gonna be a

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little bit everywhere, maybe not as much as

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spot and plan a, but you should still

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be able to get into animals there. And

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then the seed plan is going to be

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Thing, you know, some some of those places

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that

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maybe hunted as much as as other areas

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and a lot of times on the math

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or if that don't look like would be

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a spot you maybe 1 but surprisingly enough

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if there's been times where I've ended up

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in clan c and half found really good

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animals and and maybe it's because people aren't

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more there is off. Do you decide when

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you're gonna jump from, let's say, plan a

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to plan b? I mean, how does that

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normally shake out? Do you have a set

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amount of time or just like a feeling?

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How You just feel like you've exhausted day

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and it's just not gonna work out for

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you and then go to be? I mean,

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how's that... How do you decide that? So

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Lot of times it's gonna be based on

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how much time do I have a hunt

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particular area. Yep. I'm not finding animals within

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then first. 2 to 3 days, especially if

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there's not fresh sign. By mining sand, it's

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gonna extend my time in those areas a

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little bit longer, but if I'm not finding

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fresh sign within that first couple days, maybe

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3 days, I wanna move off into another

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area and and try it. You know, it's

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a that's a good point. You gotta give

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it enough time that it can develop, but

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not too much time that you can't shift

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gears to somewhere else. Absolutely.

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I guess 1 of the questions is and

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I know seems like you hunt a by

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yourself a lot. How do you decide how

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far and you wanna go and what variables

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playing into that. So so many different variables.

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First and foremost. Is gonna need the weather.

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Is it gonna be hot? Is he gonna

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be cool? That's gonna determine how far and

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getting into some of these areas. If the

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weather's is gonna be too hot, and I

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can get an talent successfully by myself in

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time without it spoiling, I'm gonna pull back

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terrain bit and maybe not go as deep

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as I win some many other times. So

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this last year was great. Great example. I

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got into really rough terrain. The terrain was

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just talking about a little bit ago where

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I saw those bulls. I went about 2

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weeks later and his family wasn't with, and

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I hiked into that that country by myself

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really the nasty stuff a lot steeper than

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I anticipated, but I got into a really

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really amazing country. And I had camp set

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up and we're was that was within a

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couple hundred of the yards where I seen

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all those goals who leaks prior. So, I

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expected come daylight. I'm gonna be in... The

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thick of it. And I'm gonna have a

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alcohol over. Right? And that wasn't the case.

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No. I put all cars in for that

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in 2 weeks after I saw... The bulls

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there wasn't a a single help to be

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found in that immediate area. I step around

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that area for 2 days. Did a lot

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of hiking, a lot of scouting

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Again, scouting during hunting right, it shouldn't be

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that way I should been just hunting, but

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it didn't pan out the way I it

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just faded I did end up finding a

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on my way out. But I could've made

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a play on that hole. The problem was

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I got in a little bit too deep.

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And the weather was hot. We were pushing

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up in in the eighties. And it un

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a season warm weeks that week and and

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against, you know, I all judgment told me

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and I leave the ball alone. I think

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I couldn't killed that mold, but would've been

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lucky it to get 2 quarters out, and

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what I lost a lot of meat. So,

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you know, I'm not all about just killing

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the animal, the spoils are taken. Taking holding

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the meat is the a huge priority. On

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that hunt, I did pull back. Move back

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closer to trail threads and bumps some of

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those areas at that time you know, typically,

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when I think of you, I think of

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you kill them some really good animals, how

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do you base that judgment on when you're

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in a general season area. I mean, How

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do you get a idea of the bulb

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that you're looking for? Is it just a

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set number in your mind already? How do

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how does that work out for you? Typically?

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So I've changed this strategy quite a bit

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over the years. What out y? Younger than

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I am now it seemed like my number

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was a lot higher than it is now.

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Then, I guess that's the thinking back to

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what my dad said as you get older,

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any goals change a little bit or maybe

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your objectives change a little bit. But I

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went from wanting to kill bigger animals when

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I the at killing still everybody wants to

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killed the angle. Right? But the reality of

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it. Sometimes you're gonna the whole more often

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than not, maybe with them on film. If

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you have your expectations too high. Again, we're

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gonna be looking at those areas. And if

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it's a limited draw area, my number gonna

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be quite a bit higher than it it's

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gonna be on a general area, limited entry.

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It's gonna be again back to the research.

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What's been killed in that area past what

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time of box are taken out of there.

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A lot time of have been taken out

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of in that area.

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Antenna base that number off of that. If

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I'm in the general area, still, you can

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get statistics on past Hans kinda lay your

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average.

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Scoring doctor Bull is in that area, and

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they off that. And then the experience, you

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know, it's hard to put a score on

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on the experience that you get while out

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the woods and a lot of times if

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the experience is there that animals gonna be

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laid in mega animal than what you will

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would have taken?

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Without having all the experience. I'm missing kinda...

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I'm kinda all over the place on that.

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Everybody wants to kill off, a ball over

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tree after I everybody wants to kill buck

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over 1 80, any anymore of the real

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reality of that happening has scheduled less and

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less over years.

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Especially when you're getting into these january years.

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Well, I thank that, and I'm sure that

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this all is true for you, but, you

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know, there was a time where archer season

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wasn't as popular as it is now. There's

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a lot less people out. A lot less

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bug being thrown around. And I think it

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really has made a lot more challenging.

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In a lot of these spots in a

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lot of these general areas just

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amount of pressure. Just a number of bug

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or calls in general that these elk hearing

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on the daily. From people, and then, you

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know, you get older, like you you have

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your kids, your kids straw tags, you gotta

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try to balance

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your time off for you and your kids

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and and get all that worked out too

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and that plays a part for sure. It

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really does. It changes a lot of it.

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You know,

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You go back

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15 years ago, 20 years ago or longer

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than that when I was...

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The only 1 I had to worry about

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is, like, So I had more time to

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spend out of the woods. I only have

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to worry about my time off of board.

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I didn't have to worry about kids school

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and... Have to very worried about my wife

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concur work. So it has come harder over

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the years to spend more time out there.

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So I guess that... Maybe that quality, I

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have of animal that I expect just came

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down a little bit. Yeah. Likelihood of finding

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animals like used in the past definitely choose.

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It's not same. You know, everything was changed

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from online, you know, all the really great

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forums out. They great odd. Out there it

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really has Changed dynamic I'm and and it

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has to become more competitive over the years.

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Yeah. Just the amount of knowledge out there

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in general, And my guess last week, a

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mark say. That was 1 of his things,

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you know. There's only 2 ways to get

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better,

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and that's experience or knowledge. And the experience

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level is how many days you can get

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out in the field. And the only way

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to up that without getting more days in

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the field is to expand your knowledge level

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And there's so many resources for that right

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now. There.

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And it's kinda funny and there's gonna be

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a lot of pun intended here, but... And

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There are a lot of expert hunters out

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there now. A lot more than they used

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to be in the past you contribute that

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a lot to...

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Podcasts and forums platforms that are out there

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inmates people have a lot more knowledge at

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a lot or faster time than what it

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used to be in the past You and

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I can talk from experience with that. A

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lot of these young guys coming in into

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it now. They might know more than I

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did. 5 years I'm. They might know more

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in their first year hunting that I ever

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did in inside use that. It's the dynamics

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rule changed. Well, I think even for me,

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I'm constantly learning, you know, like, we'll get

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in and I don't know. Who's maybe not

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for you, but sometimes I feel like Giving

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a rut or something works for me so

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much that I don't try other stuff. And

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then, you know, I'll hunt with people and

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they'll have fiber or 6 different ways that

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they do it. I'll have 1. Just because

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it always typically pans out for me. Oh,

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yeah. Yeah. There's course of actions. Right? We

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gotta get stuck in ride just like you

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say, something's worked for you in the past,

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you wanna keep coming back in that, and,

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you know, being... Having a little bit more

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diversity in different ways to do so school

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definitely change the outcome. Hold alright. I kinda

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wanna shift gears just a little bit and

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talk about white tail season. I know when

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you're talking white tails, you're talking at home

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that you're... Your scouting game is different, but

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it does to next level using a lot

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of different resources. Why don't you just touch

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on that as it calls out in this

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podcast. You bet describing for White tel. Yeah,

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drastically different than what it is for meal

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and and el. It's local. It's within a

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hundred miles from home have several cameras up

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there. A water sources,

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trails,

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and I tran check those cameras once a

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week once every 2 weeks. Some of them

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once every 3 weeks. And I... It's... My

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cameras are in a a big location now

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within the next few weeks until we're getting

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into late part of August, those cameras and

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will tighten up into smaller areas. A trying

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to narrow down certain bucks and went whatnot.

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The season here South Dakota for White hail,

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and air both and out starts all September

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ones. Quite a bit different Scouting Yeah. Learning

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where the box are and trails, bedding scenarios,

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feeding scenarios and kind in travel corridors in

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between. The white tail gonna be a little

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bit different this year. Because...

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September 1. I might add a target knock

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this year. And not really narrowed it down

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to a target month, month 13 13 year

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old son. He's been helping me check cameras

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and he's got.

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So Oh, a couple different mo where pip

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names for and pops you wants to go

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after.

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And September will now the actor all in

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South Dakota 19 years to dr hey. I

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was lucky that's a jaw on archer intake

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here in South Dakota. So that's spent a

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lot of

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scouting throughout throughout chris summer. Oh, yeah. That

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that's super exciting.

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I mean, just the excitement of finally drawn

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the tag after you wait 2 decades is

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is next level to the anticipation of what

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you can turn up. It's it's sad to

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see, you know, I'm in the South dakota,

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but it's the way they manage your elk.

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It's technically used it works in a lifetime

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tag anymore. It took me 19 years. I

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gotta wait

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line years before I can apply again

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and shoot by then. You know, or knows

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what's gonna blood direction in my life is

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gonna be. So I really look at it

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as a once a lifetime tight. So I'm

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gonna go all in in September and and

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draw everything I can at that hunt to

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to tree hunt and and see what happens

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this point And are you approaching that a

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little bit different since that's more of a

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local... Hana are you... Are you approaching that

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more like you do White tel? Or more

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00:19:08,715 --> 00:19:11,036
like... You do the same kind of touting

523
00:19:11,036 --> 00:19:13,182
for Montana. It's kind of a mix and

524
00:19:13,182 --> 00:19:15,089
ball I spent a lot of time on

525
00:19:15,089 --> 00:19:17,711
the Internet you using different resources looking at

526
00:19:17,711 --> 00:19:19,478
now. So I have called and talked to

527
00:19:19,478 --> 00:19:22,745
biologists about certain areas, but the nice thing

528
00:19:22,745 --> 00:19:24,737
with the beauty about it, it's it's within

529
00:19:24,737 --> 00:19:26,489
an hour hour and a half drive from

530
00:19:26,569 --> 00:19:28,417
Home. So I've been... Doing a lot of

531
00:19:28,417 --> 00:19:30,332
boots out your a lot of hiking. I'm

532
00:19:30,332 --> 00:19:32,007
staying out of the thick timber because I

533
00:19:32,007 --> 00:19:33,681
know that's where the elk bedding night I

534
00:19:33,681 --> 00:19:35,835
wanna be pushing out those areas, but I'm

535
00:19:35,835 --> 00:19:38,402
doing a lot of hiking along. Creek beds

536
00:19:38,402 --> 00:19:40,795
and anywhere where there's of water. And kinda

537
00:19:40,795 --> 00:19:44,624
looking for areas that shows heavy sign, heavy

538
00:19:44,624 --> 00:19:47,335
use come September rubs, swallow,

539
00:19:47,828 --> 00:19:49,420
stuff like that. And I'm binding the wall,

540
00:19:49,579 --> 00:19:51,092
I know they're not yet yet in hell.

541
00:19:51,410 --> 00:19:53,320
But that's gonna change here in the next

542
00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,252
12 3 weeks. It's gonna really

543
00:19:55,644 --> 00:19:58,042
And but... So as I get closer, they

544
00:19:58,042 --> 00:20:00,119
said, September, I'll probably pull back and maybe

545
00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:01,798
not scout as much. So I'm not in

546
00:20:01,798 --> 00:20:04,275
there educating me or pushing around there. Nice.

547
00:20:04,689 --> 00:20:06,919
What of the things I'm curious about you

548
00:20:06,919 --> 00:20:09,228
know, what my this lt tag? You found

549
00:20:09,228 --> 00:20:11,378
a lot of buddies you know since this

550
00:20:11,378 --> 00:20:12,971
is such a special limited.

551
00:20:13,464 --> 00:20:16,334
Deal a lot more community we'll share information

552
00:20:16,334 --> 00:20:17,849
with you or where they're seeing these bowls

553
00:20:17,929 --> 00:20:19,943
Or is it still kind of pretty secretive

554
00:20:20,241 --> 00:20:21,915
do you find? It is it can be...

555
00:20:22,089 --> 00:20:24,558
30 secret still even know it it takes

556
00:20:24,558 --> 00:20:26,947
time to draw hey. I imagine if I

557
00:20:26,947 --> 00:20:29,256
reach out 2 more people, I would probably

558
00:20:29,256 --> 00:20:31,421
get more gel, but 30 I'm kind of

559
00:20:31,421 --> 00:20:32,376
approaching this as

560
00:20:32,933 --> 00:20:35,264
I want as much experience as I can

561
00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,549
join this state on my own, reached out

562
00:20:37,549 --> 00:20:39,240
to a couple guys. A couple buddies that

563
00:20:39,319 --> 00:20:41,000
I... No. No the area as well, and

564
00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,319
they've been a huge asset. But I guess,

565
00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:44,380
I haven't

566
00:20:44,919 --> 00:20:46,839
cast out there that I hand the day

567
00:20:46,839 --> 00:20:48,846
and a kinda rewire on myself in a

568
00:20:48,846 --> 00:20:50,596
couple of friends just to get as much

569
00:20:50,596 --> 00:20:52,823
knowledge and ted. Yeah. And sometimes being loki,

570
00:20:53,062 --> 00:20:55,309
pays off a lot, I know 1 of

571
00:20:55,309 --> 00:20:57,150
my buddies be a really good tag, and

572
00:20:57,150 --> 00:20:59,650
it seemed like anytime he pretty

573
00:21:00,750 --> 00:21:03,077
recognizable truck. And any anytime a that parked

574
00:21:03,077 --> 00:21:05,306
to bear. I started to see a couple

575
00:21:05,306 --> 00:21:07,057
trucks not parked too far away every time

576
00:21:07,057 --> 00:21:08,808
that we get out have out. So I

577
00:21:08,808 --> 00:21:10,575
do think that sometimes that can be a

578
00:21:10,575 --> 00:21:14,000
problem also. Absolutely. And and don't wanna advertise.

579
00:21:14,399 --> 00:21:16,231
Openly as much as... You see on some

580
00:21:16,231 --> 00:21:18,701
of the forums that are geared towards hunting

581
00:21:18,701 --> 00:21:21,190
it sounds. Kona people are saying, oh, I

582
00:21:21,190 --> 00:21:22,866
drew this tag. This is the area. I'm

583
00:21:22,866 --> 00:21:25,102
going to, and that's just not something I've

584
00:21:25,102 --> 00:21:27,497
ever done, but you hit the nail on

585
00:21:27,497 --> 00:21:30,058
the head. You people know my vehicle, they

586
00:21:30,058 --> 00:21:31,965
see it somewhere and and you're absolutely ready

587
00:21:31,965 --> 00:21:33,951
to start showing up more and more, the

588
00:21:33,951 --> 00:21:36,194
more I park there. Well, I don't know

589
00:21:36,194 --> 00:21:38,115
about anybody else but yeah. I'd probably fall

590
00:21:38,115 --> 00:21:38,994
you around. I like to...

591
00:21:40,115 --> 00:21:41,634
No. I no doubt you'd be on a

592
00:21:41,634 --> 00:21:44,034
big bull. I do find it, you know,

593
00:21:44,609 --> 00:21:46,761
The first time my dad ever drew Utah,

594
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:48,913
and it was the same way he had

595
00:21:48,913 --> 00:21:51,065
16 points or something which was Max points

596
00:21:51,065 --> 00:21:52,362
at the time, and

597
00:21:52,673 --> 00:21:54,817
It was just... I don't know. We just

598
00:21:54,817 --> 00:21:56,984
didn't really know how to do it because

599
00:21:57,835 --> 00:21:59,820
we we never experienced it in 16 years.

600
00:22:00,058 --> 00:22:01,170
You know what I mean, it was our

601
00:22:01,170 --> 00:22:01,408
first.

602
00:22:02,137 --> 00:22:04,122
Limited entry hunt in Utah, we didn't really

603
00:22:04,122 --> 00:22:06,504
know what to expect. And after that, we've

604
00:22:06,504 --> 00:22:08,647
been lucky enough to draw a couple different

605
00:22:08,647 --> 00:22:10,473
limited entry tags and get a feel for

606
00:22:10,473 --> 00:22:12,483
it, but that first time you don't really

607
00:22:12,483 --> 00:22:14,081
don't know what to expect because I had...

608
00:22:14,641 --> 00:22:16,319
It was the first time really that we

609
00:22:16,319 --> 00:22:18,876
focused about hunting Elk the rut normally. We

610
00:22:18,876 --> 00:22:21,283
hunt him later in October. During the general

611
00:22:21,283 --> 00:22:24,222
season and and it was just tell overwhelming

612
00:22:24,222 --> 00:22:26,605
experience right off. Yeah. Yeah. I could imagine.

613
00:22:26,763 --> 00:22:28,352
And I'm doing with a lot of pressure.

614
00:22:28,924 --> 00:22:30,997
Sad to say that I know areas in

615
00:22:30,997 --> 00:22:31,497
wyoming

616
00:22:32,192 --> 00:22:34,743
Montana, more than I know areas right here

617
00:22:34,743 --> 00:22:37,548
in my backyard within an hour's dry. And

618
00:22:37,548 --> 00:22:38,822
it's sad to say I lived here as

619
00:22:38,822 --> 00:22:40,256
long as I have, but you know, I've

620
00:22:40,256 --> 00:22:42,326
never never went off to me on here

621
00:22:42,326 --> 00:22:44,476
in my own state, and it's sad to

622
00:22:44,476 --> 00:22:46,643
say I know more about Elk, other seats

623
00:22:46,643 --> 00:22:48,878
or the new. So that does put a

624
00:22:48,878 --> 00:22:51,033
little pressure on me to find a dead.

625
00:22:51,192 --> 00:22:53,028
Yeah. The nice thing is once you learn

626
00:22:53,028 --> 00:22:55,597
out behavior, you find over the broad that

627
00:22:55,597 --> 00:22:57,751
they do the same thing. They're they're looking...

628
00:22:58,070 --> 00:23:00,225
They're keen in on the same features of

629
00:23:00,225 --> 00:23:02,161
the terrain, the same feed

630
00:23:02,474 --> 00:23:05,106
the same looking for cows. So, I mean,

631
00:23:05,265 --> 00:23:06,701
at the end of the day, if you're

632
00:23:06,701 --> 00:23:08,376
hunting them in September, they're doing what they

633
00:23:08,376 --> 00:23:09,652
do in September If you're hunting them in

634
00:23:09,891 --> 00:23:11,805
October, they're doing what they do in October.

635
00:23:12,139 --> 00:23:15,002
Yep. That's why lot my doubting, but it's

636
00:23:15,002 --> 00:23:17,467
been un hot the last seems like a

637
00:23:17,467 --> 00:23:19,853
couple weeks here. So the time I spend

638
00:23:19,853 --> 00:23:22,179
out there... Early in the mornings late evenings,

639
00:23:22,419 --> 00:23:24,013
Think it's a cool day. Spend most of

640
00:23:24,013 --> 00:23:26,268
the day out there. Yeah had just checking

641
00:23:26,406 --> 00:23:28,799
mainly water. I'm focused on water right now,

642
00:23:28,959 --> 00:23:32,321
and we've had some bear mount rain, checking

643
00:23:32,321 --> 00:23:34,074
some areas where there's been burns in the

644
00:23:34,074 --> 00:23:36,543
past or some clearing of the forest, and

645
00:23:36,543 --> 00:23:38,774
just kinda taken a big area each time

646
00:23:38,853 --> 00:23:40,460
I go out I tried to arrow down

647
00:23:40,460 --> 00:23:42,445
just a little bit more, But wanna a

648
00:23:42,445 --> 00:23:44,351
step, but there, there might be a be

649
00:23:44,351 --> 00:23:46,416
done a whole different bridge than when I'm

650
00:23:46,416 --> 00:23:48,577
thinking I'm gonna find them come arrow September.

651
00:23:48,737 --> 00:23:50,967
So we'll see. Alright, Garrett. I'm super excited.

652
00:23:51,286 --> 00:23:52,720
I can't wait to see how that South

653
00:23:52,879 --> 00:23:54,950
Dakota Elk shakes out for you. I know

654
00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:56,145
you got a lot of other hunt coming

655
00:23:56,145 --> 00:23:58,474
up this year too So it'd be exciting

656
00:23:58,474 --> 00:24:01,914
to follow you along the season. If anybody

657
00:24:01,914 --> 00:24:04,554
has any questions, wants to follow you? Or

658
00:24:04,554 --> 00:24:06,634
can I find you at? Primarily Facebook.

659
00:24:07,448 --> 00:24:10,183
Blue grade, pretty easy to find and then

660
00:24:10,322 --> 00:24:13,994
instagram is jared underscore blue. No. Talk channels

661
00:24:13,994 --> 00:24:15,750
and none of that jazz, but just

662
00:24:16,323 --> 00:24:17,934
Little Facebook and.

663
00:24:18,465 --> 00:24:20,132
Alright. And of course, They can always private

664
00:24:20,132 --> 00:24:23,638
message there on Rock? Jared Bloomberg. Yes. Yeah.

665
00:24:23,876 --> 00:24:25,465
That's been a great resource over there. Get

666
00:24:25,465 --> 00:24:26,895
a lot of messages issues on aux like.

667
00:24:27,134 --> 00:24:28,564
Alright, Darren and I appreciate it. And like

668
00:24:28,722 --> 00:24:29,914
I said, we'll catch out the view here

669
00:24:29,914 --> 00:24:31,756
after a while. Sounds good. Thank you, Saying.

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696
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697
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698
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699
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the show, Will. Hey Thanks for having me

700
00:25:39,117 --> 00:25:42,000
back on. Sam. So I saw these 2

701
00:25:42,056 --> 00:25:43,803
setups at the expo and try them out

702
00:25:43,803 --> 00:25:45,312
a little bit myself, but why don't you

703
00:25:45,312 --> 00:25:46,980
just go ahead and jump in tell everybody

704
00:25:46,980 --> 00:25:48,586
what you've been up to? Hey Well, I

705
00:25:48,586 --> 00:25:50,817
think about the little over 2 years ago,

706
00:25:51,056 --> 00:25:53,208
I haven't to have the Vg x. I

707
00:25:53,208 --> 00:25:55,852
think I and Robbie review and I've been

708
00:25:55,852 --> 00:25:57,761
knew this spotting stop and looking for your

709
00:25:57,761 --> 00:26:00,944
1 eye and finding these dear box and,

710
00:26:01,024 --> 00:26:03,348
you know, realizing that a lot. A lot

711
00:26:03,348 --> 00:26:05,682
of bucks are just locked a list somewhere

712
00:26:05,820 --> 00:26:08,053
or they're easily glass up and either you've

713
00:26:08,053 --> 00:26:09,807
gotta be right on top them, which is

714
00:26:09,807 --> 00:26:12,335
fine or really look at them from a

715
00:26:12,454 --> 00:26:15,167
had an last point or very far away

716
00:26:15,167 --> 00:26:16,944
on and so, you know, Dot the Bc.

717
00:26:17,242 --> 00:26:19,636
I tested out all 3 objectives that they

718
00:26:19,636 --> 00:26:21,486
had it back. Time, And then I settled

719
00:26:21,486 --> 00:26:23,799
on at Millimeter are objective. And I've been

720
00:26:23,799 --> 00:26:25,952
using that as really not only spotting to

721
00:26:25,952 --> 00:26:28,106
for the past couple years now, a lot

722
00:26:28,106 --> 00:26:30,593
of different. I would say Helen Elk. Deere.

723
00:26:31,072 --> 00:26:32,986
A little bit of everything. And really just

724
00:26:32,986 --> 00:26:35,298
had no no problem with it. Really, there

725
00:26:35,298 --> 00:26:37,292
was no problem. Like, you know, I thought

726
00:26:37,292 --> 00:26:39,286
maybe the 30 power fix would be a

727
00:26:39,286 --> 00:26:41,299
huge share kinda let down, but really didn't

728
00:26:41,299 --> 00:26:43,460
when me looking at both eyes, even, it's

729
00:26:43,460 --> 00:26:46,420
only third power, you see so much more.

730
00:26:46,660 --> 00:26:48,740
And so I, I kinda of realize that

731
00:26:48,740 --> 00:26:49,240
that

732
00:26:49,634 --> 00:26:51,791
was plenty of power. It was doing everything

733
00:26:51,872 --> 00:26:52,830
I needed it to do.

734
00:26:53,629 --> 00:26:54,908
And I thought I'd be done for a

735
00:26:54,908 --> 00:26:58,197
long time until I realized that if Sw,

736
00:26:58,356 --> 00:26:59,333
the S ftc

737
00:26:59,947 --> 00:27:01,856
doing spotty still existed.

738
00:27:02,572 --> 00:27:04,663
And on paper, it seemed to kind of

739
00:27:05,932 --> 00:27:08,087
yeah that jean mean, you know, over the

740
00:27:08,087 --> 00:27:09,045
12:12

741
00:27:09,045 --> 00:27:11,520
power hand or 10 power hand all way

742
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,276
to that 30. So just a wire you're

743
00:27:13,276 --> 00:27:15,369
going need to mac vacation in Zoom, which

744
00:27:15,369 --> 00:27:17,690
is final don't, on paper the big issue

745
00:27:17,690 --> 00:27:19,369
with the D e as you're stuck with

746
00:27:19,369 --> 00:27:21,769
1 power or, you know, 2 powers if

747
00:27:21,769 --> 00:27:23,230
you add on my ex

748
00:27:23,624 --> 00:27:25,779
And I ended up just getting 1 of

749
00:27:25,779 --> 00:27:28,893
the single Scc. I sold and traded and

750
00:27:28,893 --> 00:27:31,208
and done some fin enabling and decided to

751
00:27:31,208 --> 00:27:33,299
have 1 of those from my back spotter,

752
00:27:33,699 --> 00:27:36,096
but look through it and realize like, wow.

753
00:27:36,336 --> 00:27:38,653
This stays they're like an incredible image and

754
00:27:38,653 --> 00:27:40,571
such a small package. And and then from

755
00:27:40,571 --> 00:27:43,223
there, I a sort reading I think travis

756
00:27:43,223 --> 00:27:46,498
was have said the cheesy big eyes and

757
00:27:46,498 --> 00:27:47,058
intrigued me.

758
00:27:47,777 --> 00:27:50,502
And decided I was gonna little into set,

759
00:27:50,740 --> 00:27:53,043
put it together and then compare sonic body

760
00:27:53,043 --> 00:27:55,664
saw that or T x. And try to

761
00:27:55,664 --> 00:27:57,490
use it for, you know, a month or

762
00:27:57,490 --> 00:27:59,894
2, at least enough time at least in

763
00:27:59,894 --> 00:28:01,195
that hours really

764
00:28:01,654 --> 00:28:03,575
feel for it and not just a quick

765
00:28:03,575 --> 00:28:05,894
glance. You know, off the whatever I. Yeah.

766
00:28:06,055 --> 00:28:07,335
That's 1 of the big things that I

767
00:28:07,335 --> 00:28:09,107
really liked about the review is you know,

768
00:28:09,266 --> 00:28:11,674
A Bt is expensive. But 2 S

769
00:28:12,128 --> 00:28:14,355
it's probably pretty close to similar price. That's

770
00:28:14,355 --> 00:28:15,547
a lot of money to have tied up

771
00:28:15,547 --> 00:28:17,550
in optics for a long term. It was.

772
00:28:17,709 --> 00:28:19,618
And, you know, I knew I was gonna

773
00:28:19,618 --> 00:28:21,846
fell or return or It was not gonna

774
00:28:21,846 --> 00:28:23,809
cheap to than forever, but I figured here

775
00:28:23,929 --> 00:28:25,761
I might as well, probably log Guys I

776
00:28:25,761 --> 00:28:27,275
said the same question. I'm like, oh, well,

777
00:28:27,434 --> 00:28:29,983
these 2 things are pretty similar so accomplish

778
00:28:29,983 --> 00:28:32,630
the same task. Which 1? And I figured

779
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:34,465
if I could just, you know, hold on

780
00:28:34,465 --> 00:28:36,539
do it for a month or so longer

781
00:28:36,539 --> 00:28:38,945
than I anticipated, or then I plan to,

782
00:28:39,184 --> 00:28:41,329
Maybe get some good information out there. Sure.

783
00:28:41,488 --> 00:28:42,441
So why don't you tell us a little

784
00:28:42,441 --> 00:28:44,428
bit about your testing how that all? I'll

785
00:28:44,428 --> 00:28:47,105
1 together. So the the first kind of

786
00:28:47,304 --> 00:28:50,204
fertile, I guess is getting those S c's

787
00:28:50,265 --> 00:28:51,944
set up for no eyes, and I had

788
00:28:51,944 --> 00:28:55,544
already measured my intra distance. So I knew

789
00:28:55,544 --> 00:28:57,559
that it should fit. You have to have

790
00:28:57,559 --> 00:28:59,716
somewhat of a wide set eyes or at

791
00:28:59,716 --> 00:29:01,395
least a lot of average, I think for

792
00:29:01,395 --> 00:29:03,632
them to actually work for your eyes. But

793
00:29:03,712 --> 00:29:05,231
I got the bracket yet, and I got

794
00:29:05,231 --> 00:29:07,081
the sc set on the bracket... And from

795
00:29:07,081 --> 00:29:09,868
there you have to make small adjustments to

796
00:29:09,868 --> 00:29:13,554
rocket. So essentially, each scope is pointing at

797
00:29:13,611 --> 00:29:15,618
exactly in the same spot. And that's took

798
00:29:15,618 --> 00:29:17,532
a little bit of trial error. Adam s

799
00:29:17,532 --> 00:29:20,643
adapter has got some great instructional videos and

800
00:29:20,643 --> 00:29:22,557
kinda literature on how to do that. But

801
00:29:22,557 --> 00:29:23,992
until you mess with it, Well, does it

802
00:29:23,992 --> 00:29:26,578
all kind of click and so Spent some

803
00:29:26,715 --> 00:29:28,624
just, you know, after work messing with them

804
00:29:28,624 --> 00:29:30,931
I'm getting perfect get 1 set until I

805
00:29:30,931 --> 00:29:33,255
really kinda met side by side. Because if

806
00:29:33,255 --> 00:29:35,088
you don't have them perfectly set up, you'll

807
00:29:35,088 --> 00:29:37,320
still see 1 image, but suddenly just doesn't

808
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,154
quite feel right, Google's feels like a cheap

809
00:29:39,154 --> 00:29:40,030
pair locking,

810
00:29:40,684 --> 00:29:42,201
and you just know that something's things off.

811
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,037
Yeah. I little about high strain doesn't have

812
00:29:44,037 --> 00:29:44,936
that honesty

813
00:29:45,554 --> 00:29:47,789
natural feel and look luxury it. Yeah. Took

814
00:29:47,789 --> 00:29:49,226
me a couple of days. I even went

815
00:29:49,226 --> 00:29:51,559
badly layers or well, we try readjust and

816
00:29:51,559 --> 00:29:53,240
just make sure that this is, you know,

817
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,880
this is perfect. I'm eventually figure like, okay.

818
00:29:56,039 --> 00:29:57,960
This is good. And kinda went out to

819
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,449
13 from here. The evans adapter with that

820
00:30:00,449 --> 00:30:02,066
micro adjust system

821
00:30:02,523 --> 00:30:04,778
allows you to fine tune it and indefinitely

822
00:30:04,836 --> 00:30:07,627
really. And I think that that really is

823
00:30:07,627 --> 00:30:09,880
what opened. Yeah the gateway to a lot

824
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,319
of these big guys that I'm starting to

825
00:30:11,319 --> 00:30:13,079
see pop up. In case people don't know.

826
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,079
I tried the the big guys at the

827
00:30:15,319 --> 00:30:16,859
Expo with the Sd

828
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:18,769
and my eyes, I think we're a little

829
00:30:18,769 --> 00:30:20,862
bit too narrow. You gonna have 2 inch

830
00:30:20,999 --> 00:30:22,989
2 dot 562

831
00:30:22,989 --> 00:30:25,856
0.6. Yeah. Yeah. To get in. And then

832
00:30:25,856 --> 00:30:27,548
just Don't know of course I was inside

833
00:30:27,548 --> 00:30:29,865
the building, but I just didn't feel super

834
00:30:29,865 --> 00:30:31,623
comfortable with me. I couldn't really get lined

835
00:30:31,623 --> 00:30:33,940
up. Yeah. It's it's not something that you

836
00:30:33,940 --> 00:30:36,578
can just... Quickly easily jump right in. It's

837
00:30:36,578 --> 00:30:38,086
not something that you'd wanna set up the

838
00:30:38,086 --> 00:30:40,229
neck before a hans. Really, it's not something

839
00:30:40,229 --> 00:30:41,976
you'd want to go wrong in a field

840
00:30:41,976 --> 00:30:44,698
either necessarily, which Yeah. Maybe that's a day

841
00:30:44,698 --> 00:30:46,616
drawback and that I kinda talked about marvel.

842
00:30:46,856 --> 00:30:49,413
Might have not will become misaligned. I've been

843
00:30:49,413 --> 00:30:52,290
taking them on little scouting trips and shooting,

844
00:30:52,450 --> 00:30:54,611
and, they're in my, date pack out here

845
00:30:54,611 --> 00:30:56,676
not to go to the cold challenge. But,

846
00:30:56,755 --> 00:30:58,899
yeah, That getting them set up perfectly. It's

847
00:30:58,899 --> 00:31:00,670
not as easy as just a para of

848
00:31:00,964 --> 00:31:03,044
or anything like that. They're But you you,

849
00:31:03,282 --> 00:31:05,664
man the view is is really good. Well,

850
00:31:05,823 --> 00:31:07,015
I wondered if that was part of my

851
00:31:07,015 --> 00:31:09,079
problem too, Like, say it's the guy that

852
00:31:09,079 --> 00:31:10,271
owned it had set it up for him,

853
00:31:10,350 --> 00:31:11,621
and it just wasn't set up for me.

854
00:31:11,954 --> 00:31:14,111
And Might gave me a little off putting

855
00:31:14,111 --> 00:31:16,129
view. Yeah. Definitely. So,

856
00:31:16,668 --> 00:31:18,766
you know, I had, like, there's the general

857
00:31:18,825 --> 00:31:20,594
just... How do these work? Out of these

858
00:31:20,594 --> 00:31:22,506
look? And so I started going out on

859
00:31:22,506 --> 00:31:24,338
our winter range. I wonder there's still some

860
00:31:24,338 --> 00:31:26,888
dear this spring. And just blasting with both

861
00:31:26,968 --> 00:31:29,374
D etfs with those playing with you know,

862
00:31:29,614 --> 00:31:30,433
using an our

863
00:31:30,893 --> 00:31:32,331
modifications and really just get me possible with

864
00:31:32,331 --> 00:31:33,689
them. And I did that for and number

865
00:31:33,689 --> 00:31:36,166
of trips and kinda, you know, took nodes

866
00:31:36,166 --> 00:31:38,338
and collected my thoughts, and then I, ended

867
00:31:38,338 --> 00:31:40,591
up getting 1 of those Us air force

868
00:31:40,808 --> 00:31:43,198
resolution checks. Because to my high, I felt

869
00:31:43,198 --> 00:31:46,079
like there was maybe a slight difference in

870
00:31:46,079 --> 00:31:48,566
the resolution. I felt like the Bt bts

871
00:31:48,781 --> 00:31:50,767
was maybe a little bit better, but I,

872
00:31:50,846 --> 00:31:52,856
you know, I wanted to get some objective

873
00:31:53,230 --> 00:31:54,917
information on that. And so I put it

874
00:31:54,917 --> 00:31:55,076
up.

875
00:31:56,432 --> 00:31:57,788
Outside the back works. So I do at

876
00:31:57,788 --> 00:31:59,463
it in different light levels we'll look at

877
00:31:59,463 --> 00:32:01,457
it a couple days in a row and

878
00:32:01,457 --> 00:32:02,973
try to really see if there was a

879
00:32:02,973 --> 00:32:06,259
difference and in terms of just pure what,

880
00:32:06,419 --> 00:32:08,893
you know, what resolution, what element can I

881
00:32:08,893 --> 00:32:11,047
see? It was the same. But to my

882
00:32:11,047 --> 00:32:13,299
eyes, I felt, like, when I'm looking at

883
00:32:13,299 --> 00:32:16,099
that smallest little element Bg x was just

884
00:32:16,099 --> 00:32:17,859
a little easier to tell what it was

885
00:32:17,859 --> 00:32:20,339
and so resolution wise and they were really,

886
00:32:20,579 --> 00:32:22,908
really close. And I don't think that's everything.

887
00:32:23,147 --> 00:32:25,059
I think that's very important, but, you know,

888
00:32:25,218 --> 00:32:26,573
I went into a lot of the other

889
00:32:26,573 --> 00:32:28,883
kinda staff I, guess if you will, and

890
00:32:28,883 --> 00:32:30,636
and some that we're just like feeling it

891
00:32:30,636 --> 00:32:32,400
out. About the lines and I would fall.

892
00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:33,990
Yeah. And not read to review And I

893
00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:35,580
mean, for the most part, they're pretty close

894
00:32:35,580 --> 00:32:37,329
all the way neck and neck through all

895
00:32:37,329 --> 00:32:39,414
of the testing that you did Yeah. I

896
00:32:39,414 --> 00:32:41,414
mean, you you really can't go wrong with

897
00:32:41,414 --> 00:32:44,054
you 1. Know, also wouldn't say, you know,

898
00:32:44,294 --> 00:32:46,626
go out and get alone. You, you know,

899
00:32:46,785 --> 00:32:48,138
take a second word job of your house

900
00:32:48,138 --> 00:32:49,492
if buy 1 of these because, you know,

901
00:32:49,651 --> 00:32:52,039
it's... You gotta have 1. It's a niche

902
00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:54,916
thing. This kinda of long range, glass. But

903
00:32:54,916 --> 00:32:57,217
if you're already kinda, you know, into that

904
00:32:57,217 --> 00:32:59,780
or have 1, then, you, for sure

905
00:33:00,232 --> 00:33:01,819
to S ftc maybe guy said it as

906
00:33:01,819 --> 00:33:04,374
something they could consider. Yeah. Go ahead. I

907
00:33:04,374 --> 00:33:05,961
just gonna say, why don't we just jump

908
00:33:05,961 --> 00:33:08,025
right into kind of the size and the

909
00:33:08,025 --> 00:33:10,644
weight comparison, which I found super interesting in

910
00:33:10,644 --> 00:33:13,682
your review. Yes. So weight wise, they're almost

911
00:33:13,682 --> 00:33:16,251
the same for the VTX 85,

912
00:33:16,786 --> 00:33:18,696
and the S t big guy set up.

913
00:33:19,349 --> 00:33:21,267
I put him on my scale with, you

914
00:33:21,267 --> 00:33:22,886
know, a plate and air

915
00:33:23,265 --> 00:33:25,343
will it would then 2 for that 85

916
00:33:25,343 --> 00:33:27,421
millimeter setup. The 95 stand be able to

917
00:33:27,421 --> 00:33:29,595
add your by 6 or 8 ounces something

918
00:33:29,595 --> 00:33:32,154
like that. The size is what I really

919
00:33:32,154 --> 00:33:34,955
I appreciate on the Scc. It's a small

920
00:33:34,955 --> 00:33:38,490
little almost square box 6 package. So I

921
00:33:38,490 --> 00:33:40,009
don't have a case for it yet. There's

922
00:33:40,009 --> 00:33:42,410
not 1 available. I've just been sliding it

923
00:33:42,410 --> 00:33:45,450
in my hydration pouch of 2 different date

924
00:33:45,450 --> 00:33:47,380
packs, and it's small look they can actually

925
00:33:47,380 --> 00:33:49,771
fit in there where the B x is

926
00:33:49,771 --> 00:33:51,844
is longer, and it's got that, you know,

927
00:33:52,243 --> 00:33:54,808
curve kinda awkward angle to it, so I

928
00:33:54,808 --> 00:33:56,236
don't can't send that in the day pack.

929
00:33:56,473 --> 00:33:58,536
It rival that awkward in the pack. It

930
00:33:58,536 --> 00:34:00,598
it seems like a small thing, but really

931
00:34:00,598 --> 00:34:03,234
got compact package on Medici is... This needed

932
00:34:03,234 --> 00:34:05,075
to be nice. The size and space is

933
00:34:05,075 --> 00:34:06,515
is a lot more than weight and a

934
00:34:06,515 --> 00:34:08,994
lot of times for me too, just that

935
00:34:08,994 --> 00:34:10,914
super large spotting and scope can be hard

936
00:34:10,914 --> 00:34:12,923
to find the spot that it rides nice.

937
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,463
Let's see. What else? They're pretty neck and

938
00:34:15,463 --> 00:34:17,447
neck. They weigh about the same, which surprised

939
00:34:17,447 --> 00:34:20,067
me. Obviously, the S c's are a little

940
00:34:20,067 --> 00:34:21,910
more compact like a big pair of bin

941
00:34:21,910 --> 00:34:23,980
vernacular. I can just joke right in this

942
00:34:23,980 --> 00:34:26,527
it would it be. Big. Yeah. Whole difference

943
00:34:26,527 --> 00:34:28,677
is there. And really, the the first thing,

944
00:34:29,155 --> 00:34:29,988
a that

945
00:34:31,161 --> 00:34:33,153
is a a major difference is the ability

946
00:34:33,153 --> 00:34:34,768
to go all the way down to 17

947
00:34:34,826 --> 00:34:36,043
hour on past Gc

948
00:34:36,514 --> 00:34:39,315
and there that field view is very, very

949
00:34:39,315 --> 00:34:41,074
large. I don't have a way to measure

950
00:34:41,074 --> 00:34:43,234
it, but I think, you know, it it

951
00:34:43,234 --> 00:34:45,155
compares to S c 15.

952
00:34:45,808 --> 00:34:47,323
The field view is a little bit narrower,

953
00:34:47,482 --> 00:34:49,874
but that magnification is a bit bigger. So

954
00:34:49,874 --> 00:34:52,824
it's it's a very wide, very bright view

955
00:34:52,824 --> 00:34:53,563
on 17.

956
00:34:54,034 --> 00:34:57,464
Is excellent for, you know, searching across escape

957
00:34:57,464 --> 00:34:59,777
and and turn to pick up. Pick movement.

958
00:35:00,016 --> 00:35:01,611
And then you've got the ability to zoom

959
00:35:01,611 --> 00:35:03,706
all the way into to 45 power

960
00:35:04,018 --> 00:35:06,798
and you can stop really any power in

961
00:35:06,798 --> 00:35:09,419
between, know, sometimes garages is an issue and

962
00:35:09,419 --> 00:35:11,166
and then the lobby has really got at

963
00:35:11,166 --> 00:35:13,311
35 power. But if you dial all back

964
00:35:13,311 --> 00:35:15,722
to 1 5 or 20. Also sudden that

965
00:35:15,722 --> 00:35:18,038
mu is gone and you've got image that

966
00:35:18,038 --> 00:35:20,116
doesn't have any extra movement and so you

967
00:35:20,116 --> 00:35:22,842
can kick out animal movie view the brush

968
00:35:22,842 --> 00:35:25,492
much easier. And so just that functional

969
00:35:25,947 --> 00:35:26,925
component was

970
00:35:28,098 --> 00:35:30,741
just a huge difference in a think being

971
00:35:30,741 --> 00:35:33,369
able to settle in at a lower power

972
00:35:33,369 --> 00:35:35,917
lower than 30 is gonna just make for

973
00:35:35,917 --> 00:35:37,054
a more versatile

974
00:35:37,431 --> 00:35:38,306
overall useful.

975
00:35:38,878 --> 00:35:41,573
Pocket tool. F 30 power on at VTX,

976
00:35:42,049 --> 00:35:43,555
you know, if you're looking at close, if

977
00:35:43,555 --> 00:35:46,013
you're looking within a mile mile a half,

978
00:35:46,584 --> 00:35:48,814
if field view is small that you may

979
00:35:48,814 --> 00:35:50,805
be missing step just outside of your field

980
00:35:50,805 --> 00:35:52,637
of view, and you end up moving the

981
00:35:52,637 --> 00:35:54,867
optic more, you're not sitting there, just kinda

982
00:35:54,867 --> 00:35:57,430
watching for that. Subtle. And so I really

983
00:35:57,430 --> 00:35:59,897
want the ability to have actually the last

984
00:35:59,897 --> 00:36:02,126
password from the X on a bond and

985
00:36:02,285 --> 00:36:04,288
I think that's gonna really just gonna be

986
00:36:04,288 --> 00:36:05,717
more useful. It's gonna me that I use

987
00:36:05,717 --> 00:36:07,465
this than more often than maybe it didn't

988
00:36:07,465 --> 00:36:08,760
my Pt, which

989
00:36:09,531 --> 00:36:11,372
them it's a long... Is. For sure, just

990
00:36:11,372 --> 00:36:13,355
being able to turn something up into lower

991
00:36:13,355 --> 00:36:14,942
power and then being able to zoom in

992
00:36:14,942 --> 00:36:16,369
to it get a closer look and go

993
00:36:16,369 --> 00:36:18,369
back to lower power is put around more

994
00:36:18,449 --> 00:36:20,278
Zoom back in. Yeah. I can imagine that

995
00:36:20,278 --> 00:36:22,664
that's a a huge upgrade. Yeah. So other

996
00:36:22,664 --> 00:36:24,733
evening, I I did some shooting and I

997
00:36:24,733 --> 00:36:25,925
stock by on 1 of these...

998
00:36:26,658 --> 00:36:28,572
Migration ra. Just to look quickly for sand

999
00:36:28,572 --> 00:36:31,045
deer. What I did, I was kinda scanning

1000
00:36:31,045 --> 00:36:33,677
around at about 40 25 power looking a

1001
00:36:33,677 --> 00:36:36,125
mile, mile a halfway at a old brush

1002
00:36:36,403 --> 00:36:38,394
side. I picked up a deer, and so

1003
00:36:38,474 --> 00:36:40,248
I wash it for a minute and it

1004
00:36:40,385 --> 00:36:41,580
couldn't tell if it was a buck or

1005
00:36:41,580 --> 00:36:43,651
a dough, you know, so she have little

1006
00:36:43,651 --> 00:36:45,977
tell and n right now. I assume all

1007
00:36:45,977 --> 00:36:48,610
winds you're 45, which is Okay. This is

1008
00:36:48,610 --> 00:36:50,844
too much stacked it out to 80 35

1009
00:36:50,844 --> 00:36:53,172
40 in Washington for a second. And I

1010
00:36:53,172 --> 00:36:54,922
can tell he had, you build a nuts

1011
00:36:54,922 --> 00:36:57,707
on there. And so just the ability to

1012
00:36:57,707 --> 00:36:59,378
kind quickly change that power,

1013
00:37:00,188 --> 00:37:02,889
And not... You can look through 1 eye

1014
00:37:02,889 --> 00:37:04,556
and do that and go back to where

1015
00:37:04,556 --> 00:37:04,715
word,

1016
00:37:05,430 --> 00:37:08,051
being will look with both eyes 30 power

1017
00:37:08,051 --> 00:37:09,481
or 40 power 45.

1018
00:37:09,735 --> 00:37:12,054
All just so much work with the bulb

1019
00:37:12,054 --> 00:37:14,775
dean and inspiring scale. It's really hard for

1020
00:37:14,775 --> 00:37:16,614
imagine it been... Yeah. I think that was

1021
00:37:16,614 --> 00:37:18,144
the draw to the beat. T ryan is

1022
00:37:18,144 --> 00:37:20,370
2 wires are obviously better than 1 for

1023
00:37:20,370 --> 00:37:22,914
all aspects and plastic. Yeah. I think just

1024
00:37:22,914 --> 00:37:25,061
being able to stay in the glass longer

1025
00:37:25,061 --> 00:37:28,100
and... Sit there comfortably watching. You know, sometimes

1026
00:37:28,100 --> 00:37:30,567
the years far away and the lighting is

1027
00:37:30,567 --> 00:37:32,477
turn off and really you just need it

1028
00:37:32,477 --> 00:37:34,228
to turn its habit right way for you

1029
00:37:34,228 --> 00:37:36,559
to tell, what you're looking at and be

1030
00:37:36,559 --> 00:37:38,159
able to sit there with 2 eyes and

1031
00:37:38,159 --> 00:37:39,219
watch it comfortably,

1032
00:37:40,319 --> 00:37:42,319
and it's just a more effective, more effective

1033
00:37:42,319 --> 00:37:44,319
way and that's not even, you know, talking

1034
00:37:44,319 --> 00:37:46,883
about. Greeting and scanning and looking over lots

1035
00:37:46,883 --> 00:37:48,316
of country trying to picks out the new.

1036
00:37:48,635 --> 00:37:50,306
I guess in closing out, there was only

1037
00:37:50,306 --> 00:37:50,704
1

1038
00:37:51,340 --> 00:37:53,831
potential negative that you found with the S

1039
00:37:54,126 --> 00:37:55,970
big guy guys what you wanna talk about

1040
00:37:55,970 --> 00:37:57,401
that just a little bit. Touch on them

1041
00:37:57,401 --> 00:37:59,467
again? Yeah. I think I think what you're

1042
00:37:59,467 --> 00:38:02,806
referring to is the just kinda to penetrate

1043
00:38:02,806 --> 00:38:04,815
into the shadows? And it's not something that

1044
00:38:04,974 --> 00:38:06,835
I've seen in a lot of other

1045
00:38:07,215 --> 00:38:10,255
reviews, but it's something that's very important as,

1046
00:38:10,414 --> 00:38:12,973
you know particularly a deer hunter. And so

1047
00:38:12,973 --> 00:38:14,481
the sort of the main test I had

1048
00:38:14,481 --> 00:38:16,623
for that was a mountain near my house

1049
00:38:16,623 --> 00:38:19,534
where there's some resident deer that occasion with

1050
00:38:19,653 --> 00:38:22,196
And I was glass it was... I remember

1051
00:38:22,196 --> 00:38:24,603
about 4 miles off on this big shaded

1052
00:38:24,659 --> 00:38:26,804
hillside pretty early in the evening, but early

1053
00:38:26,804 --> 00:38:28,807
out that something might come out. Now it

1054
00:38:28,807 --> 00:38:31,615
could really tell that the V x could

1055
00:38:31,672 --> 00:38:33,741
really pick out your details of rocks and

1056
00:38:33,741 --> 00:38:36,686
bushes on that mountain in shadow, much better

1057
00:38:36,686 --> 00:38:37,641
than the S scc.

1058
00:38:37,974 --> 00:38:40,054
And I shouldn't say mush carrier, it's if

1059
00:38:40,054 --> 00:38:41,494
you were to whole look through the S

1060
00:38:41,494 --> 00:38:42,554
ftc, you wouldn't

1061
00:38:42,934 --> 00:38:45,494
necessarily fault. But when you're looking donny by

1062
00:38:45,494 --> 00:38:48,007
side going back and tour. Really that Bt

1063
00:38:48,146 --> 00:38:50,618
has just an additional hole and what, I

1064
00:38:50,618 --> 00:38:54,068
think contrast and maybe just some additional optical

1065
00:38:54,445 --> 00:38:57,094
elements or coding something about it, this makes

1066
00:38:57,094 --> 00:38:59,811
that image in the shadow pop much better.

1067
00:39:00,210 --> 00:39:02,288
And so I don't know that that's gonna,

1068
00:39:02,448 --> 00:39:04,845
you know, make or break I've run it

1069
00:39:04,845 --> 00:39:07,172
for me. It was significant. I felt like

1070
00:39:07,252 --> 00:39:08,925
I I needed to comment. I'm I'm not

1071
00:39:08,925 --> 00:39:09,744
sure I would

1072
00:39:10,438 --> 00:39:12,271
information, because I still chose to keep the

1073
00:39:12,351 --> 00:39:13,944
Sd seats. I felt, like, it just a

1074
00:39:13,944 --> 00:39:16,907
much or so. But on miso package. I

1075
00:39:16,907 --> 00:39:18,741
think the 1 last thing that you kinda

1076
00:39:18,741 --> 00:39:21,052
mentioned there, and we hit on kinda early

1077
00:39:21,052 --> 00:39:23,880
is, you know, when you adjust... The

1078
00:39:24,338 --> 00:39:26,496
culmination to your eyes. You know, is that

1079
00:39:26,496 --> 00:39:29,053
gonna be affected during field use. You really

1080
00:39:29,053 --> 00:39:30,811
haven't got them out throughout the year. I'll

1081
00:39:30,811 --> 00:39:33,565
be interested the find a follow up and

1082
00:39:33,625 --> 00:39:35,784
see how well your adapter held together. And

1083
00:39:35,784 --> 00:39:37,964
if you had make an adjustment or 2

1084
00:39:38,025 --> 00:39:40,344
throughout the season. Yeah. I really I really

1085
00:39:40,344 --> 00:39:42,037
hope they do you boulder up. Know, not

1086
00:39:42,037 --> 00:39:43,393
banging them around. I'm not gonna do the

1087
00:39:43,393 --> 00:39:45,306
rock side... The rock slide drop tests on

1088
00:39:45,306 --> 00:39:47,538
these things. Certainly, they're gonna get quite bit

1089
00:39:47,538 --> 00:39:49,770
use this fall. And for now, I'm gonna,

1090
00:39:49,850 --> 00:39:51,621
you pack an allen wrench just in case

1091
00:39:51,621 --> 00:39:53,777
of the needs so tightened up. And now

1092
00:39:53,777 --> 00:39:56,491
that I really know that confirmation process, it

1093
00:39:56,491 --> 00:39:58,487
shouldn't be too difficult if I if I

1094
00:39:58,487 --> 00:40:00,176
had to do that in the field, but,

1095
00:40:00,256 --> 00:40:02,400
you know, that bracket is is really well

1096
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,577
made. It's a quality piece craftsmanship ship. And

1097
00:40:05,577 --> 00:40:07,722
so... And hope both screws all hold tight,

1098
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,484
but think I might lock tight some of

1099
00:40:09,484 --> 00:40:09,961
them down,

1100
00:40:10,597 --> 00:40:12,981
torque down really good, but, yeah, that's expensive

1101
00:40:13,060 --> 00:40:14,967
I can drown down where that thing's gonna

1102
00:40:14,967 --> 00:40:16,099
hold up. Alright, Will.

1103
00:40:16,980 --> 00:40:18,739
Congratulations on having 2 of the best optics

1104
00:40:18,739 --> 00:40:20,420
in the world and getting to choose between

1105
00:40:20,420 --> 00:40:22,659
the 2. I appreciate you, and I appreciate

1106
00:40:22,659 --> 00:40:23,619
your wife letting you

1107
00:40:24,195 --> 00:40:26,035
do some testing force. I know my wife

1108
00:40:26,035 --> 00:40:27,474
wouldn't have any part of that. So big

1109
00:40:27,474 --> 00:40:29,315
shout out to her, and I appreciate you

1110
00:40:29,315 --> 00:40:31,315
just coming back and we'll have you back

1111
00:40:31,315 --> 00:40:32,934
later in the season after you've

1112
00:40:33,248 --> 00:40:34,836
drug these things around a little bit up

1113
00:40:34,836 --> 00:40:36,743
on the mountain and and see how it

1114
00:40:36,743 --> 00:40:39,125
all comes back together. Absolutely. Pace against have

1115
00:40:39,125 --> 00:40:41,190
me same. Alright. If anybody has any questions

1116
00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:43,510
where can they, find you at. I'm on

1117
00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:46,293
Rocks slide. It's will 05:02

1118
00:40:46,293 --> 00:40:48,759
7. And I'll link up your review article

1119
00:40:48,759 --> 00:40:50,509
and you guys can click on that and

1120
00:40:50,509 --> 00:40:50,827
he'll

1121
00:40:51,479 --> 00:40:52,918
Take me questions right to them. Thank you.

1122
00:40:54,436 --> 00:40:57,472
You pursue them. You cherish them, and now

1123
00:40:57,472 --> 00:40:59,630
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1124
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1125
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1126
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1127
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1128
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1129
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1130
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1131
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1132
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1134
00:41:26,282 --> 00:41:26,757
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1135
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1136
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1137
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1138
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1139
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1140
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1141
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1142
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1144
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Alright. Moving on.

1145
00:41:47,172 --> 00:41:49,024
Lucky to catch up with cad.

1146
00:41:49,716 --> 00:41:52,498
Again, over there at M, he's gonna be

1147
00:41:52,498 --> 00:41:53,793
telling us a little about

1148
00:41:54,246 --> 00:41:55,677
1 of my favorite rifle scope.

1149
00:41:56,409 --> 00:41:58,250
The rs 1 point tube.

1150
00:41:58,730 --> 00:42:00,650
So it's getting some rave reviews over there.

1151
00:42:00,889 --> 00:42:03,289
So I'm super excited to dive into it.

1152
00:42:03,864 --> 00:42:05,702
Welcome to S Kate? Yeah. Thanks for having

1153
00:42:05,702 --> 00:42:07,139
me man. I appreciate it. So why don't

1154
00:42:07,139 --> 00:42:08,897
you, go ahead and tell us a little

1155
00:42:08,897 --> 00:42:10,415
bit about the 1.2.

1156
00:42:10,909 --> 00:42:12,655
Some of its features and then we'll talk

1157
00:42:12,655 --> 00:42:14,400
about how it's been thrown on the ground

1158
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,178
and still working like a shit. Sure. The

1159
00:42:17,257 --> 00:42:18,868
Rs s 1.2

1160
00:42:18,924 --> 00:42:22,052
is a... Second generation of our Rs 1.

1161
00:42:22,691 --> 00:42:25,488
Basically, in our naming conventions for products are

1162
00:42:25,488 --> 00:42:28,045
we call them what they are. Numbers that

1163
00:42:28,045 --> 00:42:30,689
they released, And then if they have if

1164
00:42:30,689 --> 00:42:33,235
they say basically within the scene format, but

1165
00:42:33,235 --> 00:42:35,303
have some major changes that we do a

1166
00:42:35,303 --> 00:42:38,444
point to and their next generation I. Software

1167
00:42:38,503 --> 00:42:40,735
update. And so Rs 1 was our very

1168
00:42:40,735 --> 00:42:42,490
first rifle scope we put out and put

1169
00:42:42,490 --> 00:42:45,122
it out in 20 17 name. That's great.

1170
00:42:45,362 --> 00:42:47,617
2 and a half to 15 by 44

1171
00:42:48,088 --> 00:42:50,714
and kind of follow along with our tradition

1172
00:42:50,714 --> 00:42:52,249
of not wanting to,

1173
00:42:52,863 --> 00:42:53,978
you know, follow the pack.

1174
00:42:54,773 --> 00:42:57,082
3 to 9 by 4 is the standard

1175
00:42:57,082 --> 00:42:59,007
rifles scope that you don't know what my

1176
00:42:59,007 --> 00:43:01,236
grandpa had on his bounds. And so the

1177
00:43:01,236 --> 00:43:02,908
logic thing for a company to do is

1178
00:43:02,908 --> 00:43:04,262
that a first rifle scope would have been

1179
00:43:04,262 --> 00:43:05,376
a 3 to 9 by 4.

1180
00:43:05,949 --> 00:43:08,415
The technologies come along the ways. More partnered

1181
00:43:08,415 --> 00:43:11,438
over in Japan, make some fantastic optics and

1182
00:43:11,438 --> 00:43:13,507
have some great engineering is wizard, well why

1183
00:43:13,507 --> 00:43:15,833
not why not broaden that. Spectrum. So the

1184
00:43:15,833 --> 00:43:17,351
3 to 9, the 2 and a half

1185
00:43:17,351 --> 00:43:19,429
to 15 pitch a little bit more low

1186
00:43:19,429 --> 00:43:20,708
end a little bit more on the high

1187
00:43:20,708 --> 00:43:23,285
end, but still is a dew wall onto

1188
00:43:23,439 --> 00:43:25,529
go. And so we released the

1189
00:43:26,142 --> 00:43:27,176
the Rs 1,

1190
00:43:27,733 --> 00:43:30,300
and the intention was it because of primarily

1191
00:43:30,356 --> 00:43:30,992
a hunting

1192
00:43:31,565 --> 00:43:33,644
and a little bit lower magnification we launched

1193
00:43:33,644 --> 00:43:34,545
it without,

1194
00:43:35,244 --> 00:43:36,125
exposed turret.

1195
00:43:37,644 --> 00:43:40,293
Oral illumination, but that time, there were still

1196
00:43:40,293 --> 00:43:43,161
about 12 seats that didn't allow illuminated rifle

1197
00:43:43,161 --> 00:43:45,255
scope for running as a small company

1198
00:43:45,790 --> 00:43:47,861
wash and push pile, but legal in some

1199
00:43:47,861 --> 00:43:48,021
states,

1200
00:43:48,912 --> 00:43:49,311
kinda.

1201
00:43:50,507 --> 00:43:51,703
That make some choices there.

1202
00:43:52,421 --> 00:43:54,494
We went non eliminated and we went non

1203
00:43:54,494 --> 00:43:57,777
turret. Don't we release additional Life dose? Rs

1204
00:43:57,777 --> 00:44:00,326
2 also lightweight weighed 2 to 10 by

1205
00:44:00,326 --> 00:44:03,114
38, still on my favorite rifle scope that

1206
00:44:03,114 --> 00:44:05,026
we make. I've killed rounds with that and

1207
00:44:05,105 --> 00:44:07,507
I think all our other scope. Combined, an

1208
00:44:07,586 --> 00:44:10,468
Rs 4 were based on the same platform

1209
00:44:10,603 --> 00:44:11,556
size to 30,

1210
00:44:12,827 --> 00:44:14,177
10 fit long range.

1211
00:44:15,144 --> 00:44:17,684
Rs 5 set in full. 9. And the

1212
00:44:17,684 --> 00:44:19,747
rs 3 was the first 1 we didn't

1213
00:44:19,747 --> 00:44:21,255
update. Rs 3.2.

1214
00:44:21,493 --> 00:44:21,969
You added.

1215
00:44:23,254 --> 00:44:24,531
Turret that we did on the old.

1216
00:44:27,485 --> 00:44:29,741
An qui, we did it from mai week

1217
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,396
decided that it was with a little extra

1218
00:44:31,396 --> 00:44:33,728
wait town the through system all I with

1219
00:44:33,728 --> 00:44:35,965
my back did the 3.2 with the new

1220
00:44:35,965 --> 00:44:38,282
turret. And like the church so much. We

1221
00:44:38,282 --> 00:44:40,440
decided that maybe it was tied to update

1222
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,614
her at 1, add that to it to

1223
00:44:42,614 --> 00:44:44,934
an add elimination now that there's just moving

1224
00:44:44,934 --> 00:44:47,035
down to a couple of states it'll

1225
00:44:47,335 --> 00:44:49,735
allow elimination, and we would add both models.

1226
00:44:50,068 --> 00:44:52,955
So early last year, we sat down and

1227
00:44:53,012 --> 00:44:54,524
sort of work on the design for that.

1228
00:44:54,842 --> 00:44:56,514
Got some prototypes out and set them around

1229
00:44:56,514 --> 00:44:58,821
to a few people and that's positive reviews.

1230
00:44:59,234 --> 00:45:01,467
But Ross Wanted to wave we had production

1231
00:45:01,467 --> 00:45:03,541
to make sure that it was... Anyone maybe

1232
00:45:03,541 --> 00:45:06,173
golden sample it can lean team, and we

1233
00:45:06,173 --> 00:45:07,848
wanna do make sure that we're were telling

1234
00:45:07,848 --> 00:45:09,616
the right stories. So we got rock slide,

1235
00:45:09,855 --> 00:45:10,967
a production sample,

1236
00:45:11,762 --> 00:45:13,590
delicious smith. Yeah form. That's how we call

1237
00:45:13,749 --> 00:45:15,259
Now we can say his name. Just out

1238
00:45:15,259 --> 00:45:18,216
form. Yeah. So foreign tested and did via

1239
00:45:18,216 --> 00:45:20,681
get the drop test. You either said it

1240
00:45:20,681 --> 00:45:23,226
on other podcast podcasts and there'd beat loa

1241
00:45:23,226 --> 00:45:25,452
if I didn't say here. And the 1

1242
00:45:25,452 --> 00:45:27,699
thing I have credit up form list and

1243
00:45:27,699 --> 00:45:29,460
actually a whole lot light brew on the

1244
00:45:29,460 --> 00:45:31,460
drop test is that it it is now

1245
00:45:31,460 --> 00:45:31,960
standardized.

1246
00:45:32,420 --> 00:45:34,670
Like it doesn't matter if Sand man's doing

1247
00:45:34,670 --> 00:45:36,660
the test, if chuck doing the test. Whoever

1248
00:45:36,660 --> 00:45:38,969
does them, that they're they're doing them the

1249
00:45:38,969 --> 00:45:41,038
same way on the same materials at the

1250
00:45:41,038 --> 00:45:43,525
same heights. And so I feel like we're

1251
00:45:43,525 --> 00:45:46,157
getting some, you know, some consistent results. And

1252
00:45:46,157 --> 00:45:47,592
a lot of times those results are failure.

1253
00:45:47,831 --> 00:45:49,347
We're not just on our products, but across

1254
00:45:49,347 --> 00:45:50,623
the board, They think do the lot that

1255
00:45:50,623 --> 00:45:51,501
don't don't make it.

1256
00:45:52,312 --> 00:45:53,528
Rs 1.2

1257
00:45:53,824 --> 00:45:56,609
test well at held 0 of follow brew

1258
00:45:56,609 --> 00:45:58,758
on the tests fail and those results came

1259
00:45:58,758 --> 00:46:01,146
out, that made it a very desirable scope.

1260
00:46:01,559 --> 00:46:02,934
It's it's an anomaly

1261
00:46:03,309 --> 00:46:05,935
for us in that. It is 1 of

1262
00:46:05,935 --> 00:46:08,083
10 total scope we make where the mill

1263
00:46:08,083 --> 00:46:09,596
is more popular than the Moa.

1264
00:46:10,152 --> 00:46:12,634
Attribute, that to the Ross light crowd, I'm

1265
00:46:12,634 --> 00:46:15,895
not sure if it's because loss lighter shoot

1266
00:46:15,895 --> 00:46:18,376
mill a lot more or because fun tested

1267
00:46:18,376 --> 00:46:19,729
the mill and they think that's all in

1268
00:46:19,729 --> 00:46:22,117
under shade sea because that has nothing to

1269
00:46:22,117 --> 00:46:24,027
been with it, but I think it could

1270
00:46:24,027 --> 00:46:26,415
be, just, you know, that particular combination worked

1271
00:46:26,415 --> 00:46:28,976
very well. I think the Jar Re is

1272
00:46:29,453 --> 00:46:31,601
a great re. I developed that in a

1273
00:46:31,601 --> 00:46:34,306
really close conjunction some conversation with Ryan Avery.

1274
00:46:34,799 --> 00:46:36,477
Spends a lot of time behind scope and

1275
00:46:36,477 --> 00:46:39,293
had some very strong opinions and some great

1276
00:46:39,432 --> 00:46:41,530
feedback on making that a a better re

1277
00:46:41,684 --> 00:46:43,196
So I think a lot of lot of

1278
00:46:43,196 --> 00:46:45,743
things came together, we kinda mentioned in the

1279
00:46:45,743 --> 00:46:48,130
pre conversation about, you know, what did we...

1280
00:46:48,289 --> 00:46:50,135
You different on this? Let we go on

1281
00:46:50,135 --> 00:46:52,204
the others and it was the Rs s

1282
00:46:52,204 --> 00:46:54,751
5, which was the the first 1 that

1283
00:46:54,751 --> 00:46:56,661
went through the drop test that did not

1284
00:46:56,661 --> 00:46:58,351
pass when That was a prep production. I

1285
00:46:58,351 --> 00:47:00,105
did go back to our engineers and asked

1286
00:47:00,105 --> 00:47:02,179
on what was difference including the 5 at

1287
00:47:02,179 --> 00:47:03,317
the 1.2

1288
00:47:04,014 --> 00:47:06,428
on why it holds and why Dublin Par

1289
00:47:07,695 --> 00:47:09,600
they believe it should hold or test on

1290
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:10,871
on it. But really it is a different

1291
00:47:10,871 --> 00:47:12,856
optical system. It's a second focal plane.

1292
00:47:13,491 --> 00:47:15,159
Gets a little bit longer to a little

1293
00:47:15,159 --> 00:47:17,324
bit more things to tweet. But what we

1294
00:47:17,324 --> 00:47:19,505
cheese internally from Rs 1

1295
00:47:20,204 --> 00:47:20,844
was nothing,

1296
00:47:21,405 --> 00:47:23,485
except for the turret components that babe the

1297
00:47:23,485 --> 00:47:25,405
top turret exposed and at a deal of

1298
00:47:25,405 --> 00:47:28,229
an issue. There might be some generations of

1299
00:47:28,604 --> 00:47:31,389
materials just this to pause and stuff come

1300
00:47:31,389 --> 00:47:32,684
through through, but

1301
00:47:33,074 --> 00:47:34,584
rs S1R1

1302
00:47:34,584 --> 00:47:37,446
0.2 have the same species. To my knowledge,

1303
00:47:37,764 --> 00:47:40,069
rs s 1 has never been on through

1304
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:41,837
the drop test, And I'd be happy to

1305
00:47:41,837 --> 00:47:43,831
send 1 in It's is that something people

1306
00:47:43,831 --> 00:47:46,383
wanna review. I know I personally drop tested

1307
00:47:46,383 --> 00:47:48,058
the rs 1 on a hunt in South

1308
00:47:48,217 --> 00:47:50,824
Africa 2 years ago. The swivel team off

1309
00:47:50,944 --> 00:47:54,217
of my rifle and the sling dropped and

1310
00:47:54,217 --> 00:47:56,292
it fell and landed directly on the bell

1311
00:47:56,292 --> 00:47:58,606
and tee in a athens dent in the

1312
00:47:58,606 --> 00:48:00,532
top of the bell, makes checked my 0,

1313
00:48:00,690 --> 00:48:03,232
the range of the yearly that the guide

1314
00:48:03,232 --> 00:48:05,535
had set up. And without making an adjustment,

1315
00:48:05,694 --> 00:48:06,409
A I shot

1316
00:48:07,123 --> 00:48:08,632
4 more animals on that trip with it.

1317
00:48:09,283 --> 00:48:11,664
You was a shot. Now that's an anecdotal.

1318
00:48:11,903 --> 00:48:13,117
Right? That's not a

1319
00:48:13,570 --> 00:48:16,666
scientifically can full test, but I do believe

1320
00:48:16,666 --> 00:48:19,159
or 1 stands up with Rs s 1.2.

1321
00:48:20,679 --> 00:48:22,199
I'll take all the praise you can get

1322
00:48:22,199 --> 00:48:23,500
for it because it's it's...

1323
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,359
It isn't great scope up glad that it

1324
00:48:26,359 --> 00:48:29,350
passed there's test. And really insight the

1325
00:48:29,808 --> 00:48:31,266
the lot slimy

1326
00:48:31,644 --> 00:48:34,518
crowd are very passionate group of people and

1327
00:48:34,518 --> 00:48:36,767
they move the needle. To city Why the

1328
00:48:36,767 --> 00:48:38,519
product we're putting out and they're happy with

1329
00:48:38,519 --> 00:48:40,749
what we're doing and I'm happy that we

1330
00:48:40,749 --> 00:48:42,739
can put provide the product full. For sure,

1331
00:48:43,058 --> 00:48:44,412
when it first came out, I didn't know

1332
00:48:44,412 --> 00:48:45,860
what to think. If you had told I

1333
00:48:45,860 --> 00:48:48,566
would put a 27 ounce rifle stop on

1334
00:48:48,566 --> 00:48:50,396
the top of my light right, light,

1335
00:48:51,112 --> 00:48:53,197
rifle, I would never believed it. I mean,

1336
00:48:53,357 --> 00:48:54,792
it is a tool, and at the end

1337
00:48:54,792 --> 00:48:56,067
the day, you want your tool to work.

1338
00:48:56,386 --> 00:48:58,777
I mean, I have 1 on my rifle

1339
00:48:58,777 --> 00:49:01,503
currently, I paid full price for it. Happy

1340
00:49:01,503 --> 00:49:03,495
to do it. The most frustrating part right

1341
00:49:03,495 --> 00:49:04,850
now is you can't get 1 Right? Like,

1342
00:49:05,010 --> 00:49:07,082
I think that can be super frustrating when

1343
00:49:07,082 --> 00:49:08,755
you want it so much and and you

1344
00:49:08,755 --> 00:49:10,368
just You don't know when the next one's

1345
00:49:10,368 --> 00:49:13,025
gonna come... Yeah. There's a... That's an interesting

1346
00:49:13,564 --> 00:49:16,141
solve for us to have. I read a

1347
00:49:16,201 --> 00:49:19,815
forum them. Post about drop culture on rock

1348
00:49:19,815 --> 00:49:22,534
slide on how. We're doing these limited releases

1349
00:49:22,534 --> 00:49:24,947
to keep the, keep interest stop. Let me

1350
00:49:24,947 --> 00:49:27,579
tell you how untrue that is. If I

1351
00:49:27,579 --> 00:49:29,573
could get a thousand them tomorrow, I would

1352
00:49:29,573 --> 00:49:31,886
buy a thousand owned. Lead time on on

1353
00:49:31,886 --> 00:49:35,008
the school production time is 5 months. So

1354
00:49:35,008 --> 00:49:37,785
yours some in November and we mixed between

1355
00:49:38,340 --> 00:49:40,324
mill and Moa. You got in, you know,

1356
00:49:40,562 --> 00:49:42,189
a hundred of each. In

1357
00:49:42,565 --> 00:49:45,353
November, and the forms post team out, like

1358
00:49:45,353 --> 00:49:47,584
a week before we released it, and we

1359
00:49:47,584 --> 00:49:50,293
sold out that first hundred mills in 4

1360
00:49:50,293 --> 00:49:52,936
or 5 days then buzz started generating, so

1361
00:49:53,015 --> 00:49:54,767
I immediately. I... At that point, I did

1362
00:49:54,767 --> 00:49:56,996
not have another order then coming in. I

1363
00:49:56,996 --> 00:49:59,876
immediately placed a another rush orders splitting the

1364
00:49:59,876 --> 00:50:02,578
difference again, the next batch came in 5

1365
00:50:02,578 --> 00:50:05,303
months later like, they are we gonna see

1366
00:50:05,439 --> 00:50:07,346
this a satisfy the crowd is the last

1367
00:50:07,346 --> 00:50:09,747
80 people that wanna scope couldn't get their

1368
00:50:09,747 --> 00:50:10,486
scope and

1369
00:50:10,941 --> 00:50:13,112
these things pull them back to the little

1370
00:50:13,567 --> 00:50:15,478
interest levels and that sold out in 4

1371
00:50:15,478 --> 00:50:15,876
hours.

1372
00:50:16,289 --> 00:50:17,804
Since then, I think I've got it a

1373
00:50:17,804 --> 00:50:20,436
total of another 400 because we're basically 5

1374
00:50:20,436 --> 00:50:21,713
months from that window,

1375
00:50:22,431 --> 00:50:24,345
and they're selling out in hours. I've got

1376
00:50:24,345 --> 00:50:25,940
80 more coming in next week.

1377
00:50:26,832 --> 00:50:28,667
I don't have any anymore coming in talk

1378
00:50:28,667 --> 00:50:31,458
to because they'll... The first time I wrong

1379
00:50:31,458 --> 00:50:33,213
by 2000 sat on the shelf and then

1380
00:50:33,293 --> 00:50:35,845
I saw 80 and solomon did. I correct.

1381
00:50:36,259 --> 00:50:39,308
And so it says fine balance of

1382
00:50:40,083 --> 00:50:42,814
satisfying the means without going out of business

1383
00:50:42,951 --> 00:50:45,421
because I have a house of say shelf.

1384
00:50:45,835 --> 00:50:48,715
The October shipments will be much more substantial

1385
00:50:48,715 --> 00:50:50,075
they'll be in the hundreds of pieces.

1386
00:50:51,114 --> 00:50:53,355
But 5 months is just you can react.

1387
00:50:53,769 --> 00:50:55,444
So I'll sell he's in October and if

1388
00:50:55,444 --> 00:50:57,677
he sell at all, while being a panic

1389
00:50:57,677 --> 00:50:59,352
because I'm 5 months out from being able

1390
00:50:59,352 --> 00:51:00,947
to doing anything about it. Yeah. I know

1391
00:51:00,947 --> 00:51:02,782
when I read the post that they had

1392
00:51:02,782 --> 00:51:04,710
some in stock. I had to pullover over.

1393
00:51:05,109 --> 00:51:06,305
My wife was, like, what are we even

1394
00:51:06,305 --> 00:51:08,777
doing us? And, I gotta do something... My

1395
00:51:08,777 --> 00:51:10,291
credit card out. Try to get it in

1396
00:51:10,291 --> 00:51:11,965
there. Hoping I could get 1 in the

1397
00:51:11,965 --> 00:51:14,130
cart. And get it checked out before they

1398
00:51:14,130 --> 00:51:16,459
sold out. I know it's been super frustrating

1399
00:51:16,595 --> 00:51:18,345
for a lot of other people. So I

1400
00:51:18,345 --> 00:51:21,068
hope everybody that wanted 1 can get it

1401
00:51:21,068 --> 00:51:23,221
when they release this next time, but I

1402
00:51:23,221 --> 00:51:25,294
don't foresee that happening. Well, we have some

1403
00:51:25,294 --> 00:51:28,177
very specific instructions in A right mail how

1404
00:51:28,177 --> 00:51:30,480
they have it. On the email list is

1405
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,259
is cold. Now some mind get, the email

1406
00:51:33,259 --> 00:51:35,244
and then immediately jump on last and say

1407
00:51:35,244 --> 00:51:37,655
they're in stop and some people that aren't

1408
00:51:37,655 --> 00:51:40,135
on the list like Sue jumped we are

1409
00:51:40,135 --> 00:51:42,535
not holding any of set the the limit

1410
00:51:42,535 --> 00:51:44,855
earth of 1 at a time on Wednesday,

1411
00:51:45,189 --> 00:51:47,581
normally try to keep on keep chance and

1412
00:51:47,581 --> 00:51:50,212
getting them. And I have Moa and Hr.

1413
00:51:50,611 --> 00:51:53,003
You're willing to shoot in the circles instead

1414
00:51:53,003 --> 00:51:54,612
of the tens there's

1415
00:51:55,171 --> 00:51:56,686
we're sitting on the shelf without the whole

1416
00:51:56,686 --> 00:51:58,361
pass the draw test to you. Yeah. For

1417
00:51:58,361 --> 00:52:00,196
sure. Well, I appreciate you laying it Out

1418
00:52:00,196 --> 00:52:02,269
forest, K there. Let us know a little

1419
00:52:02,269 --> 00:52:04,857
bit about the in and outs of optics

1420
00:52:05,232 --> 00:52:07,458
industry when you hit a home run, just

1421
00:52:07,458 --> 00:52:09,365
trying to get the back in the bag.

1422
00:52:09,683 --> 00:52:10,955
And I think it is good to note,

1423
00:52:11,194 --> 00:52:13,119
you know that Yeah. This is a home

1424
00:52:13,119 --> 00:52:15,588
run. But if we haven't tested the other

1425
00:52:15,588 --> 00:52:18,456
products, most likely, there's a good chance from

1426
00:52:18,456 --> 00:52:20,288
your experience that they're built the same on

1427
00:52:20,288 --> 00:52:23,007
the internals? So be some definitely to look

1428
00:52:23,007 --> 00:52:25,393
at. People wanna check out more of your

1429
00:52:25,393 --> 00:52:27,063
rifle scope working they go to find you

1430
00:52:27,063 --> 00:52:28,573
guys at... This check this out it and

1431
00:52:28,573 --> 00:52:30,659
even built. Dot com. We've got them all

1432
00:52:30,659 --> 00:52:32,493
on there. They can check them out and

1433
00:52:32,493 --> 00:52:34,827
then I'll also check out our Youtube seeds

1434
00:52:34,885 --> 00:52:37,038
at m and look some of the reviews

1435
00:52:37,038 --> 00:52:39,043
and some of the stories and mouth and

1436
00:52:39,043 --> 00:52:40,656
stuff we have on there at

1437
00:52:41,269 --> 00:52:43,575
transformation. Alright. Thank, Kate. I look forward to

1438
00:52:43,575 --> 00:52:45,006
trying to pick up another 1 of these

1439
00:52:45,006 --> 00:52:47,731
sounds good Thanks. Alright, guys. Moving on. We're

1440
00:52:47,731 --> 00:52:49,088
lucky enough to catch up with the guys

1441
00:52:49,088 --> 00:52:51,563
at Black Office. We have Jason Johnston and

1442
00:52:51,563 --> 00:52:52,063
tie.

1443
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:53,957
Good to be with the sam and the

1444
00:52:53,957 --> 00:52:56,440
rock cast fruit. So why don't you guys

1445
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:57,947
just go ahead and just tell us what

1446
00:52:57,947 --> 00:52:59,534
you guys do over there Black os for

1447
00:52:59,534 --> 00:53:01,121
the people that never heard of you. Yeah.

1448
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:02,788
For sure. I know a lot of people

1449
00:53:02,788 --> 00:53:03,661
heard of camel fire.

1450
00:53:04,235 --> 00:53:05,994
That's our that's our sister brand, if you

1451
00:53:05,994 --> 00:53:07,835
will. And then there's Black o with So

1452
00:53:07,835 --> 00:53:10,414
black. We've kinda focused on premium

1453
00:53:10,795 --> 00:53:13,519
haunting brands. Focused out west, but we are

1454
00:53:13,519 --> 00:53:15,745
growing a ton with a White tail crowd

1455
00:53:15,745 --> 00:53:17,495
back east as well. All the, you know,

1456
00:53:17,654 --> 00:53:19,801
tree stands and those types of accessories, but

1457
00:53:19,801 --> 00:53:21,991
we we've really just started to

1458
00:53:22,448 --> 00:53:25,001
started small, and it's grown into kind of

1459
00:53:25,001 --> 00:53:26,916
a mega storm. Where... We're based out of

1460
00:53:26,916 --> 00:53:29,005
here in West. Valley Utah. We have a

1461
00:53:29,005 --> 00:53:31,318
storefront, but we also have a huge online

1462
00:53:31,318 --> 00:53:33,392
presence. And Carrying, know, a ton of those

1463
00:53:33,392 --> 00:53:35,306
big name brands out there, you know, Sit

1464
00:53:35,306 --> 00:53:38,268
k, mystery Ranch. I mean, I really list

1465
00:53:38,268 --> 00:53:40,888
is endless, but I I just encourage anybody

1466
00:53:40,888 --> 00:53:43,269
jump on black dot com. Cool thing is

1467
00:53:43,269 --> 00:53:45,968
is we do have a special makeup brand

1468
00:53:45,968 --> 00:53:47,818
of art own brands. So it's all black

1469
00:53:47,818 --> 00:53:51,255
o branded products, everything from merino Wool to

1470
00:53:51,255 --> 00:53:53,172
a synthetic pieces as well if you're looking

1471
00:53:53,172 --> 00:53:55,090
for a synthetic top, keep of sun, different

1472
00:53:55,090 --> 00:53:57,893
her pants, for logo wear, the Black Of

1473
00:53:57,893 --> 00:53:59,985
brand is really just kinda become, like a

1474
00:54:00,042 --> 00:54:02,827
bang for your buck really solid hunting gear

1475
00:54:02,827 --> 00:54:05,190
for a really good price. It's on a

1476
00:54:05,389 --> 00:54:08,262
huge growth spurt these last few years. We're

1477
00:54:08,262 --> 00:54:11,215
seeing ton of customers jump from other big

1478
00:54:11,215 --> 00:54:13,530
names that may not see the benefit of

1479
00:54:13,530 --> 00:54:15,530
the price tag, of some of that really

1480
00:54:15,530 --> 00:54:17,830
high end gear, and they're looking to get

1481
00:54:17,830 --> 00:54:20,210
into something that's dang equivalent for, you know,

1482
00:54:20,289 --> 00:54:23,007
in some cases half or Less. So a

1483
00:54:23,007 --> 00:54:25,320
little snapshot about us, but we're, you know,

1484
00:54:25,479 --> 00:54:28,032
we're growing all the time and and our

1485
00:54:28,032 --> 00:54:29,786
retail store is growing as well. We're getting

1486
00:54:29,786 --> 00:54:31,961
ready to do a revamp on that. So

1487
00:54:32,194 --> 00:54:33,789
You know, if you've been in here before,

1488
00:54:34,427 --> 00:54:36,181
you're gonna see a lot bigger things out

1489
00:54:36,181 --> 00:54:37,616
of our our storefront are here in West

1490
00:54:37,695 --> 00:54:39,609
Valley as well. So we we definitely encourage

1491
00:54:39,609 --> 00:54:40,885
people to come in and check it out.

1492
00:54:41,459 --> 00:54:43,057
What did I miss Tie? 1 thing,

1493
00:54:43,776 --> 00:54:45,454
Jason hit all that right on the head

1494
00:54:45,454 --> 00:54:48,090
that we're really excited for for the only

1495
00:54:48,090 --> 00:54:48,730
24.

1496
00:54:49,304 --> 00:54:51,142
This year, and and it seems like it's

1497
00:54:51,142 --> 00:54:53,459
kinda common in in the hunting industry is

1498
00:54:53,459 --> 00:54:56,255
new property. We've got some awesome pieces coming

1499
00:54:56,255 --> 00:54:58,180
out for 20 20 before. And without

1500
00:54:58,815 --> 00:55:01,037
without giving too much away, or excited to

1501
00:55:01,037 --> 00:55:02,331
offer a a new heavyweight

1502
00:55:02,704 --> 00:55:03,338
marino top,

1503
00:55:04,132 --> 00:55:05,585
that'll be coming down the pipeline

1504
00:55:05,974 --> 00:55:08,765
As Jay alluded to a a synthetic, we're

1505
00:55:08,765 --> 00:55:11,738
gonna be offering a p loft vest for

1506
00:55:11,876 --> 00:55:13,232
for our our consumer,

1507
00:55:14,109 --> 00:55:16,356
along with a a new pant. That's coming

1508
00:55:16,356 --> 00:55:18,822
out. And we're really excited for this. You

1509
00:55:18,822 --> 00:55:20,333
know, the 1 that we've already that you

1510
00:55:20,333 --> 00:55:22,958
were aware of Sam is is our our

1511
00:55:22,958 --> 00:55:24,231
plateau standing tripod.

1512
00:55:24,644 --> 00:55:26,741
And so we're stoked to continue to offer

1513
00:55:26,879 --> 00:55:29,514
killer pieces in the black Line to our

1514
00:55:29,514 --> 00:55:31,509
consumer base. Yeah. I really like your house

1515
00:55:31,509 --> 00:55:33,185
brand. You know, 1 of the things I

1516
00:55:33,185 --> 00:55:36,574
like. It's... It's reasonably priced for the average

1517
00:55:36,713 --> 00:55:38,469
sports man. You know, you don't have to

1518
00:55:38,469 --> 00:55:40,146
go and get a second mortgage on your

1519
00:55:40,146 --> 00:55:41,822
house, try and get a couple new pieces

1520
00:55:41,822 --> 00:55:44,389
for the upcoming hunt season. Yeah. A lot

1521
00:55:44,389 --> 00:55:47,015
of folks there there significant other spouses are

1522
00:55:47,015 --> 00:55:50,199
gonna appreciate the price tag. The here. You

1523
00:55:50,199 --> 00:55:52,030
know, you you mentioned our game bags earlier.

1524
00:55:52,268 --> 00:55:54,276
I feel like that's 1 piece of gear

1525
00:55:54,276 --> 00:55:55,792
that a lot of people kinda start with

1526
00:55:55,792 --> 00:55:57,946
from Black And then kinda snowball balls from

1527
00:55:57,946 --> 00:56:00,673
there. We offer a standard game bag, and

1528
00:56:00,673 --> 00:56:02,819
then we offer an ultra july aim bag

1529
00:56:02,819 --> 00:56:05,045
in multiple sizes. So whether you're hunting beer

1530
00:56:05,045 --> 00:56:06,793
or moose or whatever you've kinda got some

1531
00:56:06,793 --> 00:56:09,907
sizing options there. They're same thing. Just a

1532
00:56:09,907 --> 00:56:12,369
really cool game bag, especially for the money.

1533
00:56:12,607 --> 00:56:14,195
You know, I've been reusing mine for a

1534
00:56:14,195 --> 00:56:17,309
few years, and they wash. They look like

1535
00:56:17,309 --> 00:56:18,900
new again and I take him out the

1536
00:56:18,900 --> 00:56:21,444
next fall again. So, really cool game bag.

1537
00:56:21,762 --> 00:56:23,989
I think that if anybody's like, I've never

1538
00:56:23,989 --> 00:56:25,659
heard of these guys. Like, that's probably the

1539
00:56:25,659 --> 00:56:27,347
first piece Tell you to go check out,

1540
00:56:27,586 --> 00:56:28,942
try them out. And I think he'd be

1541
00:56:28,942 --> 00:56:30,776
really happy with them and gone are the

1542
00:56:30,776 --> 00:56:32,292
days I happened to use the cheap cheese

1543
00:56:32,292 --> 00:56:34,126
cloth game bags. Like, we're better than that.

1544
00:56:34,365 --> 00:56:35,641
We we owe it to the animal to

1545
00:56:35,641 --> 00:56:37,250
take care of you know, the meat that

1546
00:56:37,250 --> 00:56:39,161
we are lucky enough to harvest. Our game

1547
00:56:39,161 --> 00:56:41,071
bags are phenomenal... Well, I think the do

1548
00:56:41,071 --> 00:56:43,858
technology and game bags, you know, justifies our

1549
00:56:43,858 --> 00:56:45,779
price point. But not only that I agree

1550
00:56:45,779 --> 00:56:48,159
you ad, black o game bags. I don't

1551
00:56:48,159 --> 00:56:50,143
know. 5 or 6 years, and I'm a

1552
00:56:50,143 --> 00:56:52,206
wash and reuse, and I got the deer

1553
00:56:52,206 --> 00:56:54,207
size ones, and I don't know. They've had

1554
00:56:54,207 --> 00:56:56,195
sheep in them. They've had ante open in

1555
00:56:56,195 --> 00:56:57,864
there. You know, I've bone out of Elk

1556
00:56:57,864 --> 00:56:59,454
and had them in the deer bags. And

1557
00:56:59,614 --> 00:57:01,619
I get a lot of bag choices, and

1558
00:57:01,619 --> 00:57:03,057
it just seems like every time I wash

1559
00:57:03,057 --> 00:57:04,496
them, they get put back in my pack

1560
00:57:04,496 --> 00:57:05,774
and they're the ones that get pulled out.

1561
00:57:06,014 --> 00:57:07,372
The best ones are the ones that you're

1562
00:57:07,372 --> 00:57:09,290
using, You know? But I mean, I should

1563
00:57:09,290 --> 00:57:11,462
that. To that point, Sam, I think a

1564
00:57:11,462 --> 00:57:13,380
couple weeks ago as was we corresponding on

1565
00:57:13,380 --> 00:57:15,377
email. I had asked you the question, do

1566
00:57:15,377 --> 00:57:17,295
you hone or having used any block covid.

1567
00:57:17,469 --> 00:57:19,463
Gear and he immediately said, man, I've had

1568
00:57:19,463 --> 00:57:21,297
your gang bags for a couple years now.

1569
00:57:21,536 --> 00:57:23,610
And we love hearing that from from our

1570
00:57:23,610 --> 00:57:25,923
consumers. You know, we... Again, we'd like to

1571
00:57:25,923 --> 00:57:26,822
produce quality

1572
00:57:27,293 --> 00:57:29,829
hunting year that lasts, but is it going

1573
00:57:29,829 --> 00:57:31,652
to to break the bank? Yeah. And the

1574
00:57:31,652 --> 00:57:34,918
1 thing I really enjoy your website. Is

1575
00:57:34,918 --> 00:57:36,910
you can pull up what you want and

1576
00:57:36,910 --> 00:57:39,301
compare the brands all right there, so you

1577
00:57:39,301 --> 00:57:41,293
can stack them all up and and look

1578
00:57:41,293 --> 00:57:43,536
at the features you know, not only your

1579
00:57:43,536 --> 00:57:46,344
house brand, black o, but any sick pieces

1580
00:57:46,639 --> 00:57:48,707
and all that and have the comparison right

1581
00:57:48,707 --> 00:57:51,749
there, super simple. Yeah. We... Yeah. We've talked

1582
00:57:51,749 --> 00:57:53,422
a lot about our house brand, and it's

1583
00:57:53,422 --> 00:57:55,891
a huge player for us, but we couldn't

1584
00:57:55,891 --> 00:57:57,883
do this without of our without our strong

1585
00:57:57,883 --> 00:58:00,775
vendors. Right? They're all huge partners with us.

1586
00:58:01,014 --> 00:58:03,014
We appreciate all of them at... I mean,

1587
00:58:03,255 --> 00:58:05,335
they built some phenomenal year and we all

1588
00:58:05,335 --> 00:58:07,349
are aware of the quality of the your

1589
00:58:07,349 --> 00:58:10,230
nowadays versus 20 years ago. It's just night

1590
00:58:10,230 --> 00:58:12,630
and day. So you're right. Like, you know,

1591
00:58:12,789 --> 00:58:14,525
if you've got money to spend, there's some

1592
00:58:14,644 --> 00:58:16,400
awesome gear out there. We... You know, if

1593
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,554
it's available in the retail space, you could

1594
00:58:18,554 --> 00:58:20,230
pretty much find it on a Block. We

1595
00:58:20,230 --> 00:58:21,985
try to carry it all and all that

1596
00:58:21,985 --> 00:58:23,353
there's gonna be some people that call me

1597
00:58:23,353 --> 00:58:25,262
out. Like, well, you don't have this and,

1598
00:58:25,421 --> 00:58:27,012
you know what? We're an open book, call

1599
00:58:27,012 --> 00:58:28,364
us if you think we should be carrying

1600
00:58:28,364 --> 00:58:30,131
it. You know, We always are trying to

1601
00:58:30,131 --> 00:58:31,724
get better. To Jason's point,

1602
00:58:32,441 --> 00:58:34,353
you know, anyone listening on on the rock

1603
00:58:34,353 --> 00:58:36,823
cast. And whenever hunts you have coming up

1604
00:58:36,823 --> 00:58:38,576
this fall, she felt.

1605
00:58:39,068 --> 00:58:39,466
Moose,

1606
00:58:39,943 --> 00:58:42,328
Caribou, any type of hunts, you know, our

1607
00:58:42,328 --> 00:58:44,396
our gear guide team, they they get after

1608
00:58:44,396 --> 00:58:47,178
it. And so when you need recommendations for

1609
00:58:47,178 --> 00:58:49,737
these very specific hunts, you know, whether it

1610
00:58:49,737 --> 00:58:51,567
be clothing, optics,

1611
00:58:51,964 --> 00:58:55,724
tripod pods, apart re tackle, boot socks, anything,

1612
00:58:56,019 --> 00:58:58,349
man, we really encourage everyone to

1613
00:58:58,659 --> 00:59:00,575
either call us or shooting an email in.

1614
00:59:00,735 --> 00:59:02,810
And these guys love talking and gear and

1615
00:59:02,810 --> 00:59:06,802
talking hunting, but also specifically tailoring it to,

1616
00:59:06,961 --> 00:59:08,652
you know, that hunt to that that you're

1617
00:59:08,652 --> 00:59:11,284
going on. So we encourage everyone to to

1618
00:59:11,284 --> 00:59:13,995
reach out with any questions about about their

1619
00:59:13,995 --> 00:59:16,308
hon or type of gear. Alright, guys. I

1620
00:59:16,308 --> 00:59:18,558
appreciate you coming on. And I do encourage

1621
00:59:18,558 --> 00:59:20,396
everybody to reach out to Black office. They

1622
00:59:20,396 --> 00:59:22,793
carry most of the name, brand stuff, all

1623
00:59:22,793 --> 00:59:25,111
the big players in the game, and those

1624
00:59:25,111 --> 00:59:26,962
guys get after and over there. And if

1625
00:59:26,962 --> 00:59:28,870
you need a gear recommendation, those guys have

1626
00:59:28,870 --> 00:59:30,881
been there and done it, and it's just

1627
00:59:31,017 --> 00:59:33,085
a simple phone call. We appreciate it, Sam.

1628
00:59:33,323 --> 00:59:35,072
Thank you for having us and wish you

1629
00:59:35,072 --> 00:59:36,677
the best luck on the following. Sure we'll

1630
00:59:36,677 --> 00:59:38,265
be in touch. If for anyone who has

1631
00:59:38,265 --> 00:59:40,726
any, you know, any questions or has an

1632
00:59:40,726 --> 00:59:43,346
awesome hunt coming of this fall. Best way

1633
00:59:43,346 --> 00:59:45,251
to to reach us as black over stock.

1634
00:59:45,410 --> 00:59:47,497
Sure shop all of our a blackout branded

1635
00:59:47,497 --> 00:59:49,968
product and our other retailers or help on

1636
00:59:49,968 --> 00:59:51,483
the phone and give us a call. Alright.

1637
00:59:51,642 --> 00:59:54,683
Thank you. It's closing out. Remember the fight

1638
00:59:54,683 --> 00:59:56,748
in Colorado isn't over and has moved to

1639
00:59:56,748 --> 00:59:59,711
the ballot box. Please support how for wildlife

1640
00:59:59,767 --> 01:00:01,912
with donations, and the biggest thing we can

1641
01:00:01,912 --> 01:00:04,548
do. Is sharing the facts with people we

1642
01:00:04,548 --> 01:00:06,613
encounter that are outside the Huntington community unit.

1643
01:00:07,010 --> 01:00:09,393
Together, we will win this fight until next

1644
01:00:09,393 --> 01:00:11,537
time, this is span, Sam were.

1645
01:00:15,860 --> 01:00:17,297
With the help of sports men and women

1646
01:00:17,297 --> 01:00:19,692
and concerned citizens, we can defeat the hunting

1647
01:00:19,692 --> 01:00:20,730
bands here in Colorado.

1648
01:00:21,057 --> 01:00:22,631
Go to save the hunt colorado dot com.

1649
01:00:22,788 --> 01:00:23,497
Thanks for listening.