So this book, like, he was coming out,
so I I should give a little context
to it because it really matters background, all
of that stuff. So he was kind of
and some darker green grass, some, like, kinda
just feeding out. So didn't have, like, a
really light background behind him. When I when
I first spotted the deer, I was just
blown away. I was like, whoa. Like, that
deer is out there and I kinda had
to, like, check myself. I'm like, how far
is that deer. And the detail I was
seeing as dark as it was.
And I mean, usually, like at that distance.
So... And this is this held true So
when I put my the 15 S on
him.
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is Travis hobbs, and... I have a guest,
I'm super excited.
Matt Cash. And if you don't know who
Matt Cash is, your lip must be living
under a rock because he is rock slides.
Optic guru. 1 of the smartest guys I've
ever, like, I love reading your reviews, man.
I just appreciate all the detail you put
into them and it's awesome it really helped
guys make decisions, and these are big decisions,
lots of money. So
this is cool and
both of us. These have a pair of
the new Sw n l 14
by 50 twos. I am just super excited
about this ocular, and I can't wait to
get Mad. We really haven't talked
much. So Matt, welcome to the podcast, man.
Thanks, Travis. Good to be here. Yeah. For
the fun words. Oh, no. Well, it's just
a awesome like, And and that's the thing
is no matter what you might be looking
for. You've put out a lot of good
stuff. Tripod pods, optics. You just... Do an
awesome job and just hit the nail on
the head. And I
try to explain things to my buddies and
I can't really do it very well as
I don't really
I guess,
understand every
detail and, like, why things are the way
they are, and you do such a good
job, so don't know. It's awesome. So
the fourteenth van. What do you think?
Yeah. I think
I think they're... Kinda 1 of those. Every
once a while you get that, like, market
resetting optics
that comes out and
like, some of the ones that I think
really turned the corner where, like, the Z
apps with their full
ballistic functionality. Mh. And then, you know, others
came up to meet those, but mimic came
out, they kinda of really
set the bar, and and
the
tiny spotter from came Sw and Ko, well,
pretty much every spine scope from Ras and
C are really
leading leading edge of optic technology and and
I think that these N l 14 are
in that vein also, I think they're just
they're gonna be really popular. That's what I
saying. And even at their price point. Yeah.
And, you know,
I I'd... I think, like, there's been, like,
3 times in my life that I feel
like I was, like, blown away optically.
And I would like, say the first time,
like, back in the early 2 thousands when
I ever looked through, like, in my... My
first pair of, like, looking through an alpha
para of glass. Like, I was just like,
whoa, this is unreal, you know, just using
cheap oc. And then when that 10 n
come out, I was just like, whoa. Like,
I didn't even know it could get this
good,
And then I thought the same thing, like,
the first time, so it was... I think
I've had them for,
I think this is week 3.
Just blown away. Like, the first time I
was just like, I cannot believe this. And
it's just the weirdest,
and maybe we can dive into this, but,
like, why it is, like that, but like
the ergonomic.
I mean, obviously, you're gonna probably wanna put
4 on a tripod. But even still, like,
hand holding them. I felt like I could
that kinda hand them a little bit, not
that I ever wanna hunt with them, but
just like blown away, like the clarity, the
color the field of you. It's just like
this next level experience that I just...
I don't know it's hard to explain.
No. I think I think our... Maybe that's
what L actually stands for
is next level because that's what they did
with that's what they did with the field
of view
up and down the range
Yes. From the eights all the way up.
And they
continue that with these. The field view is
just monstrous.
But I gotta ask you, like what do
you think about the magnification? I know they
say they are 14 and they're they're a
little 14 plus ish,
but having them max... To the fifteenth,
and I gotta tell you that it's...
The experience
is
that it seems like more.
Dude What you find?
So I am so glad you said that
because it was 1 of my first questions.
To you, was like, what did you think?
Because I thought the same thing, like... So
when they said 14
And then I heard this, like,
actually more than 14. It's, like, 14, and
I've heard a couple numbers ran around, like,
14.714
0.5.
But, dude, when I first looked at him
and, like, I had my fifteen's on a
tripod right next to it and I'm like,
going back and forth.
I don't know if it's the field of
you, like if it's just my brain. I
don't know, but dude, I think the exact
same thing that like it feels like it's...
Like 16 or 7... I don't know. It
feels like it's more to me. I... It's
weird weird than the 15. Right? Yes. I
mean, does. Yes. You have them right next
to each other. It feels like the 14
have more magnification. And I... You know, there's
there's a lot of weird process. Options that
go into evaluating optics sit... And something you
always have to remember, would you start
doing comparisons and doing reviews is that, like,
options a big component as that is that
computer behind your eyes? Mh. And and they
do. They they give you little
false impressions sometimes, but there is something about
them. They just feel like more
magnification. I... I'm so glad you said that.
And like, we didn't talk about this. Before
before, like, this is the first time like
this. We've just barely sat down and talk
to them. I thought I was gonna say
the exact same thing. Like, I felt like,
They're more. It's the weirdest thing, that feedback,
and I... Like, there's just so much that's
coming in. Like it's just so clear. And
the other thing that I
I was really curious to hear your thoughts
on was like it low light.
I could not believe the detail I was
seeing. So I had this buck. It was
20 minutes.
It was like, right. I looked at my
clock. It was like, 20 minutes before sun
up. So we're talking pretty dark. Way past
a thousand, I think you was probably
upwards of, almost 2000 yards away. Not a
great bug, but so I'm looking at him
in the fourth, and I was just like,
whoa. Like, I could see the detail, and
I'm going back and forth between my fifteenth.
And the fourteenth try
setup up side by side. And the detail
I was seeing, I was just like, how
like, how... If it's less power and like,
all of these things, I know there's so
much that goes into this, but, like, the
low light, I was nervous about it because
they're
a 52
objective lens versus 56, and I was like,
that's pretty big difference, And I was kinda
thinking, you know, how is that gonna play
out? And I was just my mind was
blown. Like, I could not believe the differences
I was seeing.
Yeah. I'm that's it's really curious this is
definitely an area I wanted to get impressions.
And I think
formatting this podcast this way is absolutely perfect.
Where we had no pre discussion over. So
I have It's interesting to hear you say
that,
so
I want to distinguish between, like, the general
illumination level and, like, how a apparently break
everything look. Mh. Between the 2
versus the detail you can see in that
elimination.
Gotcha.
And so what what are you seeing?
So between the 15 by 56 and the
14 by 52.
What are you seeing in in, like, general
brightness? Like, and how late you can go
into the evening
and still,
and get a usable image. So this book,
like, he was coming out, so I I
should give a little context to it because
it could really matters background, all of that
stuff. So he was kind of and some
darker green grass, and, like, kinda just feeding
out. So didn't have, like, a really light
background behind him, when I when I first
spotted the deer, I was just blown away
I was like, whoa. Like, that deer is
out there, and I kinda had to, like,
check myself. I'm, like, how far is that
dear. And the detail I was seeing as
dark as it was.
And I mean, usually, like at that distance,
So... And this is this held true. So
when I put my... The 15 S on
him,
it was almost like it was just a
blurry set of. Like, you could see the
ant, but to try to get definition and
points and all of that stuff. And we're
talking just, you know, a buck with,
He was a little 4.3
to 4 inch deep forks. Nothing great, but
I could see all of that.
In the N l's, like, I could make
it out.
And then when I went back to the
S llc,
like, it was like, blurry. Like, I wouldn't
have been able to tell exactly if that
kinda makes sense.
And so Interesting. Yeah. And, like, the definition
just seem to be way better, like,
quite a bit better.
The other thing that I noticed is as
I was glass with them.
Was I did have some deer, like, in
some shadows,
so if it was
9AM.
Deer kinda feed, and I was kinda going
back through, and it was a doe and
some fawn, and I'm going back and forth
between them and like the color pop,
of those deer in the shadows. And sw
off he's always had this to me. Like,
in for my eyes,
I feel like they always kinda pop that
color, like the color of a deer so
they got kinda red coats and kinda pop
it, but I felt like it was... And
I don't know I'm like, am I talking
myself into it, and I'm like to these
are just unreal like that color pop and
to see that definition behind, like, the comparison
between the background, like the deer versus its
background, it just... There's just something about it.
Like, I I couldn't believe it. It was
really surprising.
Yeah. So
generally, what I've been skiing in low light
is that the...
The general
illumination
is actually pretty similar between them. Gotcha. So
you get you get to... What, in my
experience with the 2 samples I have.
Would you get to the same time where
1 cons out and you just can't see
anything?
The other 1 is Cock had it. Look.
I identity Right
switch.
But
until of that time,
I could definitely see more detail in the
else.
Than I could in the S c's.
Yeah. See I I thought the same thing.
You got... They're just... Super impressive and then
the other the other side of it is
just that field of view,
especially when you're glass things that are in
that, like,
thousand yards plus. Mh. It's just so much
bigger.
Do you see so much more of the
amount?
It's an unreal right to the edge. Yes.
It's really, really impressive. And I a wanna,
like talk down on the S. They're still...
Just amazing. They're just said great. Yes. A
good a great high power modular and and
if you didn't have the l's right next
time, you'd just be wow the whole time.
Yes. For sure. But about the ls do
take it a step further they're just a
really
well designed
off. And low distortion,
straight lines remain straight,
just a really impressive optic. And I... We're
getting into lots of spoilers on written review,
but really,
I hope that 3 years go on check
it out and and check out the distortion
notes
and and kinda get a good feel for
it, but,
the truth is but with this level of
performance,
even though their at at
price level that they're at.
Over 3000 dollars. I think that
I I actually was expecting them to be
more I don't what. I I actually thought
the same thing. When I first,
So when I first heard about the release,
I immediately called my optics dealer, and I'm
like, dude, I hope you already got me
on for... And he's like, yeah. I got
you down. I was like, what are the...
What's the price gonna be? And he's like,
I,
I don't know. He's like, I'm hearing some
numbers and when he threw it out. I
was like, really that's, like, I was worried,
I was going to be, like, significantly more.
And the whole reason I think I was
so excited.
To get them was just I was so
blown away at the tens and right when
the tens come out. I was like, man,
I wonder if they're gonna do, like, a
15 or a 4... You know, I I
didn't ever think 14.
I was thinking man, they ever gonna do,
like, a higher power ocular, because I sure
hope so and sure enough. They've they've done
it. Yeah.
Yeah. So,
I mean, moving on to the next thing,
that's part of my review and I think
part of yours
is,
what did you think about the hand ability?
Dude I was really
surprised. And I,
I don't, like... Because typically, you know, a
pair of 15. You just... They're like my
S I just cannot. Like, I feel like
they're almost unusable.
Holding by hand. Unless I can, like, rest
my elbows, you know, maybe on the side
of a truck or on my knee something,
that without doing that, they're really just to
stand and hold them, they're almost unusable,
and I could not believe, I because you
know, you grab the pair of.
First thing you do is you just put
them up to your eyes and you look.
And I was like, whoa, like, it I
was really surprised and it's... Again, and you
got... You have talked about this, but the
ergonomic
of that N series is just...
It's
unbelievable. I was so shocked
that I could actually hold them and actually
kind of, like, the... Not that I would
wanna do it, but I think
you know, for a short period of time,
Like, if you wanted to verify a deer,
was a deer, whatever something along those lines,
I think a guy could do it. And
get away with it? I... What was your
thoughts on that?
My thoughts were
that this is the first, like, truly high
magnification molecular, but I think I could actually
use that
hand holding. Yes.
Per general
observation.
Yeah. I certainly would prefer a can.
Yes.
Just because it's so much easier. Mh.
But if you lock that to your ball,
Mh.
And you... And you really drive it into
the orbital bones of your eyes, your eyebrow.
Yep. You can get you can get usability
steady for, like,
6, 08:10 seconds at a time. Where you
can actually use them, which...
I, And I'm sure there's people that can
do that with, like, a 15 S, but
I could... Yeah. And I'm in the same.
But just 2 It's just too much not.
The patient is hard to feel the view
is kinda of narrower.
It's hard to get it to sort of
stabilize for your brain.
But these... It's a combination of everything.
The ergonomic probably being the biggest part of
adam,
when they turn the prism and made that
sort of
you know,
sexy curves that they did on series. They
they did something
to making them work
handheld
so much better.
Yeah. Now
I'm not gonna say, like,
I'll prefer them on the track front. Trust
me. Yes.
Any any
is gonna be better on yes. For sure.
And as you go up in magnification,
they get that much better as you go
up, but
I will say that they are
hand
so much so that if I was on
a certain hunt,
I have a... I'm thinking of an El
con, a late rifle content that I I
do often.
Where these are just be great because I
spend, like, all day in the same spot,
glass through burns. Mh.
But on the way there, and back, I
wouldn't feel like they need to have them
another a mono molecular
for doing the general observation. I would just
be able to use this.
We'll end on the way there.
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membership. Well, it's so interesting you say that
because I will be honest. I do not
leave my house without my tens. Like, I
generally
Never. And I mean, even if it's scouting,
I know where I'm going, like... So this
morning, I think I've been... I think I've
had about 6 trips on them so far.
And this morning, I was loading my stuff
up,
and I'm like, you know what? I'm not
even gonna take my tens. Like, I'm taking
these 4. I know what I'm gonna use
all day.
And as I was walking out, I checked
a couple, like I put them on my
chest. And not that I would probably go
hunting like that. But like, it was the
first time that I've never had my tens
with me, and I didn't feel like I
needed them wanted them just because I was
just so blown away and this filled of
view. But That was 1 thing, the... And
I'm kinda weird like, when I'm glass for
mule air, generally in the morning,
even and I've always usually pack a pair
of 15. I would generally do a pretty
rapid scan with my tens just to find
every deer,
that's kinda out and about that I can
kinda check them off the list. Like, what's
this? What's this? What's this? And I just
felt like I could do it more efficiently
with... Then, like, with my 15 by 56.
And today, I didn't feel like I needed
those tens. Like, I just felt like that
field of you was so big. I could
get all of those
deer that were, you know, like, really popped
out at that first early morning. I could
run through, check them all and then kinda
get more serious on glass. I was just
I'm blown away by. I really am just
so impressed.
Yeah. They're because
they really did take it a step. Further
with them.
I think they're they're also just they just
feel so much
smaller and more compact than the 15 so
series here. I know and so... Also Caesar
are attained. Yeah. And these things feel like
almost like you're they... You what they feel
like is, like, 1 of their
Abby ko
prism.
10 to 40 twos. Are kinda longer. Yes.
Yes. Still like that.
It's just it's just a really good
spot. That's Where ras found. I'll
put this configuration. Yeah. I couldn't agree more.
And this was another interesting thing And guys,
like, I think it's hard to...
It's hard to when you're really talking about,
Like, because the way, I was... That's 1
thing that I was
I was thinking when I held them in
my hand for the first time I was,
like, man, these things got away like,
a half a pound less than the fifteenth.
Like, I just they just feel so much
different. But I was kinda surprised when I
actually put them on my skill. I was
like, well, they're not that much different. I
mean, I think I had... Like, what was
it, like, 6, 7 ounces or something? I
think that was about right. Yes. I... Yeah.
I think that's about what it is. Which
is getting close to half. Yeah I I
guess that's true. So, yeah. I mean, I
I don't know. It just... They kinda surprised
me and the... You know, and then the
height, you know, like they're...
I don't know. They're...
I think what are they a quarter inch?
Something no, maybe a half inch shorter, something
like that than the fifteen's.
Little more narrow. Just under 7 inches. Yep.
So... Makes. And it's... It was interesting. I
actually was so excited that I was able
to put them,
like, in my Mars
fully enclosed. I was actually able to put
them in a medium versus that
long pack, you know, first... Like, that kind
of stuff just... And it makes a difference
pack them around, and I think they're just
a little more user friendly. I don't know.
I'm super impressed.
Yeah. But I think
a lot of people depending on their hunting
style
are gonna go for them. I think, like,
cows hunters and,
you know, desert
newly hunters.
Yeah. Just gonna flock to these. I think
they're
I think they're just gonna sell thousands and
of them of those guys. And
I... They're not necessarily gonna replace.
The 10 by 42
for me or the 8 by 32 or
that's another.
Awesome sound really like.
Especially for, like, a car
in the chamber of that sort of thing.
I'm just not gonna need a 14 power
vernacular for that, but
for sure. And
for those
alpine mule glass intensive
hans that, you know, the late elk burn
rifle hans. Yep.
And bonds
just
they're just gonna
go together, you know, well as long. I'd
completely agree man. It's it's
like, so fun talk to you just your
thoughts and, like, how
I... Yeah. I because everything like lines right
up. 1 question I had for you. What
was your thoughts about the new
stud design. Did you did you get the
sw offs stud to put him on a
tripod?
I have the... I think it's a As
adapter from...
Okay. With the lever, and it kinda slides
in and then
slides up,
and I gotta tell you. I'm a big
outdoors and then fan. Mh. And I pretty
much get studs for all of my bin
for from outdoors beds.
Van
And then I run a lot of Arc,
tripod stuff. So I got either the outdoors
one's version and Arc or I get adapter.
Gotcha. To put Arc on,
but the the So adapter comes with an
arc compatible base,
and it's got a good.
Firm lever. I don't know. Do you have
1 for yours? I don't... So I actually
was using the... Let me think what it's
called. I forget. It's like the strap over
is what I had to use until I
got outdoors
stud sent to me. I think I had
that in my hands,
last Friday.
Or, yeah. This last Friday. So I've... I
switched since, but I... The... What are the
Ut or whatever the kind of the strap
overs is what I was first using. And
that's obviously not ideal, but, I'm super impressed
outdoors
stud is
super awesome the way it works. I feel
like,
it's really a secured design. Like, I really
like it. It's a little more simple than
the old N, how it was screwed in
there. I think I had to use some
lock tie. It was just... It took me
2 seconds. Like, it didn't even come on
instructions. It's, like, put this on. Here you
go. Like, you'll figure it out. So
So does it cam in then the outdoor
is? Yep. Yep. So it cams in and
then the outer, so it's got...
It's kinda weird you would tighten it
through the outside,
basically, with that, like, the Allen wrench, the...
But it's, like a 2 piece design, so
it goes inside comes up super cure.
I'm really impressed.
Yeah. So I think that would be a
good solution. I do think that Sw rob.
In house
adapter that I'm using is really good. That's
awesome are. It's the first 1 that I've
really used that kinda meets that outdoors standard
and it actually, like, deals with the,
you know, the loosening,
the the
yes. And Yeah. How rotation.
On the
accents there that you get with outdoors and
some. It's a little less with those ras
adapter.
Which I really like. It's kinda got a
nice tension there you can get upset just...
Cool. Like, if your tripod pods is a
little off, k or. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah.
Yeah. So it's a it's a good solution.
I think it's a little heavier than outdoors
and solution on... And, you know, I haven't
quite got weights on those yet. That's coming
this week but,
Yeah. I think
it's clear that Sw is really...
Listening to
North American,
western hunters, and they're sort of driving the
market, I think. Yes. Because this is a
tailor they're made product for people like us.
Oh, yes. I... Like, I'm so excited about
it. I did. And I honestly, every time
I get behind them I just can't help
a smile. I'm just like these are unreal,
and I have to say,
they like, I thought the 10 n l
was the best ocular. I have ever used
in my life, and I have to say
this 14, like, is the best spectacular I
have ever used, like,
I... I've only been up behind it.
Like I said, I think, you know, 6
days, I think,
like, scouting days. Some of those were morning
and I and a couple mornings mixed mixing.
But I'm just blown away, and I actually
let my buddy use them.
Hit, like,
an hour into... I have to say, he's
like, I think these are the best.
I have ever looked through, like I cannot
believe it would.
Do do you dare go that far?
You know, I don't know. I feel
the the closest to ocular
perfection I've seen, and I I did a
full review on the 12.
Power else, and they were great. They're the
best 12 I've ever used.
I have a little bit of time with
the tens
I really think that's the best overall bin
vernacular used is the 10 n l. Yes.
For just everything. Yes.
But as far as high magnification goes, there's
nothing that's really gonna be close to this.
It's the 15 S
amazing,
I would say that the 15
Is every bit is good.
I really like the 18 that are coming
out from, like, the ultra Hd from Vortex.
That's not a really good ocular. I haven't
done a full deep dive on them, but
from
the time I have spent with them. I
think they're just
really good. And I think there's some of
the 18 from that same family from some
of the other companies
are really good. But
the an is the king.
Yes. It is. It's less 1 that's available
now.
It's the first 1 that's, like, truly hand.
And I...
I don't wanna, like, give them this impression.
That...
Yeah. Throwing your tens away. Using.
It's not. Yeah. But
instead of, like...
Immediately
unusable, like a all time magnification
are handheld.
You get a few seconds a good usable
time. Before that shape kinda makes it,
not as usable.
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Well, matt, I like... Yeah, I couldn't agree
more man. It's just
I don't know. I'm super excited about them.
And I can't wait to read your, like,
review and in up and, like, the field
of view differences
and, you know, just all of those things
that you're gonna hit on. I I hope...
And I think the, so you're gonna put
some images up and people will be able
to kinda see a little bit. Mean, it's
hard to
see it in an image without putting it
up to your eyes. Like, I always say
that, like, they're just mind blowing, but III
think people are gonna love seeing gear review
on. I'm excited to see it. I know
that.
Yeah. I think
The stuff like distortion is easy to show
with the digital scoped image.
There's...
You can show some of the
color f from chromatic duration sometimes as long
as you're approximating.
Mh. You're never gonna show the full resolution
and a digit scope image. Yeah. Never happen.
Yep. That the little camera lens is never
gonna capture everything that the knocked can show
your eyeball. Yep. But
I will say that they're not optically perfect.
They they're like,
most of the top ends Sw ras Bin
vernacular have that, like, center field is is
almost perfectly corrected.
And can't see any abe operation. But then
as you go to the edges of that
really wide. I think it's, like, 279
feet to a thousand yards for
till that's impressive. 14,
which is not... You know, there's... There was
a time when that was, like your pretty
standard 10 by. Yeah. That would be.
Yeah.
But but when you get to the edges
of that super wide field of you, you
do start seeing.
Some
some lack of acuity, some chromatic abe operation,
ranging showing, that sort of thing, and you
can you can read about then my review.
They're they're not perfect. They gotta reach some
room, I guess, to improve something. For they
are... The they are the best I've seen.
Above 12 hour
chariot.
That's awesome. Like, yeah. I'd I'd I know
it was just mind blowing. I'd...
I just can't say it enough. Like, I'm
just so blown away, like, looking through him
and, like, what I have thought so far
and just... How they've kind of really exceeded
in almost every way. And it and does
it... Is it where do you... Like, it
almost feels like the field of you is
like, I should I don't wanna say too
much, but it's like, I keep... Like, it's
so big that it just blows my mind
looking through it.
Yeah. You look like you're... You feel like
you're looking around a corner.
I do. Like, it was just
so Ad x.
The Ad XNL,
but that truly it feels like you're looking
around behind.
Basically. You... It's so crazy. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. They've done a really great job and
that's sort of where it is, and, you
know, we've gotta give kudos to the competition
because,
So rossi wouldn't be making these kind of,
like, amazing,
you know, boundary pushing op if it wasn't
for these other companies, pushing them
to do it. So For sure. It's a
good time for hunters. No. That is so
true. Like, and it it's gonna be interesting
to kinda see... What the other companies answers
are, you know, and, like, can...
It's just gonna be really interesting to see
how things progress over the next. You know,
05:10 years. It's just wild Crazy time to
be a a hundred for sure. Seems like
every year, there's something awesome coming out. So
it's wild.
Yeah. Especially recently, we've had some really good
releases.
And
from from the emails, I'm getting there's more
common. So... Well, that's great to hear. Can
Eye on that hunting optic,
market because yeah.
Yeah. So, Matt, I'm gonna throw some links
up to
your review on these 4. I'm also gonna
throw some links up to your reviews of
some of the other bin particulars
especially that that 12
I think a lot of people are kinda
sitting on the fence.
I... I've had a couple people just mentioned
to me. Like,
So do you go with the 14? Do
you go with the 12?
Do you go with the 10? And I'm
like, I don't know It depends on your
budget and there all that has to play
in, but
this 14, it really is unbelievable light. I
don't know. It's hard to answer that question
for... If you had to have 1 ocular,
maybe the 12 is the answer. I don't
know. But
this...
I don't know. Maybe he could get away
with, I don't know. It depends on your
style of hunting, I guess, A lot that
goes into it.
I would I would tell you that if
it was me, and I'm just not 1
bin kinda guy. Yeah. Me too. I'm gonna
go... I'm gonna go with the tens for
my everyday, and then I would skip the
12 and go at these. Yes. I'm a
magnification 1. That's the way I would go.
Personally.
And I... That's how, I am set up
right now is, like the 10, I think,
just for an all around. Handle, like, to
be walking around, your hiking and you see
something,
you know, up in the timber, whatever you're
doing, either still very usable on a tripod
way out a distance, but I I agree.
That's that's my thoughts too. In 12.
I just feel like there's something about that
10,
like, handheld image that's, like, crisp enough the
is
so great and the 12. I I mean,
it's good. I know you can handle, like,
it's good, but I don't know. I agree.
That's where I land too.
Well, and some some hunters are gonna go
for the 12 and find it that perfect
balance. Between, you know, sure. But
it is it is it is hard to
beat these 4
And
and the 10 is always gonna be the
king and pretty sure. Yeah. I think so.
I think it'll always. Yeah. There's just something
out of 10 power ocular. I don't know
if it's just, like, what are I... Like,
they're just... Yeah. The... It's it's pretty hard
to be.
Yeah.
Well, dude Thank you so much for jumping
on, man. This was kinda of short and
sweet. Check out match reviews, everyone.
And maybe just mention the Cow,
the 55. You would would you just mention
briefly, Like, what are, like, that's coming out
too. You're working on that?
Maybe talk about that a little bit.
Yeah. Well, we're talking about that sort of
competition pushing.
These cal. And
and I understand that this... The pillow was
in the works prior to to the Atc
being reviewed, but the Atc kinda.
Yeah know. Took over that ultra compact.
To market, and I did my review on
it, which
people can read on rock side.
But now I'm adding in the the new
ko 55
and they did something very similar to Sw
ras. They
adapted their big spot
wet angle zoom piece.
To the,
compact spotter. And it's not the same. I...
It's not the same ips in that you
can
remove it
you know, and you get on other spotter,
it's it's a fixed it's fixed to the
scope, but it is
based on the same design and so you
get that really high performance. From that full
size Ips.
And the effect
is pretty dramatic. And
the Atc is not standing alone at the
top anymore. And people that
appreciate
a dual focus,
traditional knob, spotter,
or
they already have a bunch of digit scoping
accessories
for their full size core or whatever,
they're gonna really appreciate that little 55 day.
That's awesome. It's a really nice spotter.
As far as optics go, it's another sort
of spoiler.
For that review, but
you're not gonna choose between those 2 spot
based on a,
resolution chart
either close or far.
You're not gonna be able to choose between
them based on field of view the specs
are so similar.
But it's really gonna be that experience. Do
you want a fully rubber armored
spotter with a helical full focus in the
middle or if do you want a traditional
spotter
with the dual rate focus,
and you can make your decision outlook.
That's awesome. Well that... That sounds good. Because
Cow kinda had the the small spotter market,
I kinda felt like,
before
Sw ops come out with the com compact,
And now it's cool like that they're kinda,
you know, getting right back up there, and,
yeah, that's this is awesome.
Yeah. Those spot... Those 2 companies have spotting
stuff pretty much in the thanks. Yeah.
Well, it's good. It's good to... And it's
good to see competition like you said. I...
I think you're exactly right? We wouldn't see,
you know, all of these boundaries being pushed
without it, so it's awesome.
Yeah.
In time. Yeah. For us west Western hunters
are like to look a long way. For
sure. Well, it's so good that companies care
about it too because I mean...
It's a... I'm glad
I mean, you know, because there's...
I mean, a big high power bin vernacular
is kind of probably not...
You know, at the top of a lot
of the burden communities list. I don't know
maybe it is, but... So I don't think
Yeah. I mean. I'm pretty seriously
her.
So it's it's just awesome to see
that we are being thought about. That's a
really good thing. So... For You. Yeah. What
it goes to show you that that hunters
are willing to spend their money kid? Yes.
For sure.
Yeah. And I think... I know I know
I
I know it's bad. I like, go, I
I kind know it's, like, I don't see
any newer releases for a little while because
Jeez. It's getting to kinda out of control
my wife. She was, like, you got another
pair,
and I'm like, yeah.
Yeah. I did. So... Yeah.
Well, Matt, thank you so much, man.
Yeah. Thank you, Travis.
It's good to talk to you again, and
we'll talk in soon.
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