They're all batch up now. So what happens
if you think about it when when you're
scouting
bachelor herd of bucks,
is there's gonna be a lot of empty
country because all the bucks are together.
Compared to, like, say, October when they break
up, you know, you go into this straw.
Okay. There's a 2 point of 3 point
there. You know, you move up on this
little Mesa, oh, there's a buck right over
there. You know, they're just more spread out.
Where you can go to that same place
now. And it's like, man, there's no deer.
I'm not seeing any bucks. Why am I
not seeing any bucks?
And then All of a sudden you look
in the right draw and there's 11 of
them.
So you gotta remember there can be a
lot of country without deer in it when
they're batch up like this.
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Hey, Rock cast world Robbie Den here. Got
my old buddy Darren and Cooper on here.
Fun fact. He was the editor of Rock
slide when we first got started. He is
now running rent outdoor gear, 1 of our
advertisers on Rock slide. How are you doing,
Derek?
Doing great. Robbie. Thanks for letting me on.
You, bet, man. Sam and I've been talking
about it and we just haven't reached out
yet. Gosh, we're halfway through the summer here.
We we need to get you in front
of people.
You've been on before, but for new listeners,
tell everybody what rent outdoor gear is all
about.
So we have a huge selection of kinda
high end
Western hunting gear that
you know, if guys have a gap in
there in their gear kit or maybe they're
coming out west for the first time or
something like that.
You know, we can set them up with
with, all the equipment that you might need
for a, you know, your back country hunts
or
you're going to Alaska, and you don't have
something that you need or going on, you
know, just doing something different or or if
you just wanna try out a new piece
of gear, a high end optic or something
like that.
It's a great opportunity to,
use some of this stuff before you go
commit big money and and buy stuff side
on scene in a lot of cases, you
can't you know, go in the sporting goods
store and really get a a good feel
for gear. So it's...
It's just awesome to be able to take
something out in the field and Scout with
it or hunt with it before before you
make a decision to actually buy it. And
then if you do decide to buy it,
we don't just rent it,
we're also we think the best place to
buy it because
we can give you a better deal on
it. You're gonna save some money over brand
new gear.
And you're gonna have that
opportunity to try it first, but we're also
gonna credit that rental back towards your purchase.
So it's not like you're just out that
money if you do decide to go ahead
and and purchase the item.
You're more than welcome welcome to roll that
over into a purchase, and and we'll knock
some money off the top or it being
a lightly used item you still get the
warranty,
but we'll apply that rental fee toward it.
So
all in all in all, just a great
program for guys. Some regardless whether you're already
a hardcore western hunter with the full gear
kit or, you know, you're just getting into
it or you're coming out west for a,
you know, once in a while thing, and
know, you can't justify buying, maybe some of
the specialized western gear renting is is a
really nice option.
You, yeah, Man. I'm I'm a big day,
Ramsey fan, and I listen to him all
the time, And I hear him chewing people
out all the time on his show. Oh
that went out and bought stuff that could
have been rented. You know, things that, like,
we don't we don't have to use very
often, and we go spend a bunch of
money in it and and high end Western
gear kind of falls in that category. I
mean, you know, like, you guys have Bt
xs. Right? Oh, yeah. Dude my Bt bts
is my favorite because also my least used
optic. It... It's probably not real smart on.
You know.
But but seriously, Redding makes makes a lot
of sense for stuff that a guy, you
know,
like you said, going to Alaska, maybe need
AAA
specialized
piece of gear for just that trip a
year. It sure more easier in a lot
of time. Yeah. Rick? Yeah. But well, let
I'm let's talk about that. What what are
some of the other categories of gear that
you that you... That you're in? I'm always
thinking optic and rifles, but you guys do
other stuff too. Yeah. We've got tents and
backpacks and sleeping bags. So we've got some
clothing items like rain gear,
jeez. We've got tripod,
you know, corona,
you know, if you need to go do
the data on your rifle, but you're not,
like, a hard quarter reload or you're just,
you know, trying to get your stuff set
up. We have
Corona like the lab radar or the new
Garmin 0.
We've got also the
magnet speed.
So we got 3 different c graphs there.
Yeah. Lots different
sitting in the garage collect dust, man. I
think I've used it 3 times in, like,
5 years.
Yeah. And you can rent... You know, you
can rent a Magnet speed for, you know,
3 8 weekend. There's something like that for
about 50 bucks. So
You don't have to go shell out 600
bucks. And and the way that technology technologies
is moving on some of that stuff right
now.
You know, it it makes a lot of
sense maybe to ramp because it's... There's gonna
be something better coming out right around the
corner. So Yeah, We might be doing it
with our phones on a little tripod before
we know it. No kidding. Other thing about
renting that always makes sense to me. Dude
does just store and all your gear. You
know what Mean? Like, get it when when...
I'm using something infrequently, and and I I
don't have to store. I I can just
give it back. You know, just makes a
lot of sense. You you're, like, storing and
maintaining it, you know, just, yeah. Playing in
the tents and, you know, doing all that
stuff. I I've got a lot better perspective
on it because we have to do so
much of it now, but it it takes
a pretty big effort to, you know, just
go through and
clean up the optics and, you know, all
the gear,
weekend week out to keep it in really
good condition. It's a it's a chore.
Yeah. Yeah. Well be nice to just stick
and the box and send it back to
you.
Everybody's thinking optics right now, and I I
think there's been kind of a revolution in
the last couple of years on compact spotter.
You know? Yeah. It seem like you were
always given up quite a bit or now
know, they're still compact spotter. You know, they're
not 80 80 millimeters sp they're not 95
spotter, but gosh, you're you're just getting so
much performance. In the small packages,
what compact spotter are you guys carrying?
So we are carrying the
the all 3 of the, kind of the
3 new ones that are out, the cal,
55 millimeter, the brand new 1, the, that
they just revised.
We've got the new Sw,
U, 56 millimeter, and then we've also got
the new
vortex razor 55 millimeter spotter. Oh. I'm glad
to hear that razor made the cut.
I haven't got to look through 1 yet.
But I know enough guys on rock slide,
you know, Travis per tran, 1 of our
riders.
Those guys are loving those things. For the
money, they the the... And the performance are
getting out of them. They just can't quit
talking about them. So that's great to hear
that you've got them too.
Yeah. I... It's it's a category that I
think gets overlooked a lot. I mean, excuse
me, most guys, you know, want the big
glass, but
I always say the, you know, the best
piece of glass is the 1 that you
actually have in your pack when you need
it. And
there's just a lot of times that I
think people end up leaving their 85 millimeters
spotter back at the truck. And if you
have 1 of those little ones a 55
or 50 you know, 56 millimeters spotter that,
you know, they're really good optics,
and there's virtually no reason to leave them
behind because, you know, we can get them
out
with a lightweight tripod and and you've got
literally, like, a 3 pound package
that you can take into the back country
and and
barely feel it in your pack.
Yeah. Yeah. And, like, this this place I
was, scout this weekend. It's it's a 15
mile ride
on a dirt bike on a rough road.
I mean, you could get a truck back
there, but goodness, who wants to drive a
truck on 15 miles of of mountain Roads.
And so when I put my pack together,
no way, am I gonna have that 80
millimeter beat me the back. I threw I
threw in my little S sps 56 and
was gone. And. Hardly know it's back there.
And Like you said, you know, the best
the best piece is the 1 that you've
got. You know, if I could if I
could have my V and my my 80
millimeter Ats with me all the time. Yeah
Of course. You know, you... You you're gonna
see more. Associate the with the the edges
of light with with that big.
Yeah.
80 millimeter everything. But, you know, for what
I what I found for the most part,
at least 56 is you're just giving up
a a little bit on the edges of
light,
You know, maybe maybe your field of view
isn't isn't gonna be as big, Man they're
they're still. There's there there's so much performance
there. Where I didn't even used to think
about compact spotter. You know, I...
The the most compact 1 I had was
that old pirate scope Sw asking it really
wasn't considered Compact.
But, you know, it was smaller, and, you
know, I got years out of that thing.
So anyways, mounting systems, you said that you're...
You guys are,
renting out Tripod too. Yeah. We do. We've
got know. A full line of tripod, everything
from, you know, sub 2 pound ultra light
backpack and set to you know, full heavy
duty rifle tripod
for competition shooting. So anything from about 40
millimeter legs to
down to 22 millimeter legs. So
We've got a really nice lineup,
primarily from Leo photo,
and then we've got several different heads. We've
got ball heads and we've got
shooting heads,
and then we've also got
some really nice lightweight pan head options as
well. And they're all outfitted with Arc swiss.
So pretty much our whole system
revolves around our Arc swiss mounting.
Call right.
And, are they any of those, tripod pads
compact?
Oh, yeah. For sure.
Okay. Yeah. We've got ones that
you know, we'll
fold down to very lightweight and our sub
2 pounds.
And we'll, you know, get nice and short,
you know, if that's an issue for you,
or, you know, we've got the the big
stuff too if you're gonna throw something like
a
set of Cow highlander
on it. We've got tripod buds for that
as well. I've got Cow highlander.
You know, everything from Cow Highlander down to
these little 55 millimeter scope. So
Not alright in hand. Cover everything. We've got
laser range binder and range finding oc and
a little bit everything.
Well tell us real quick. What's what's your
turnaround time between somebody place in an order
and it it hit in the mail.
We can turn orders
pretty dang quick. However,
it's in your best interest to get a
reservation made early because stuff books up. You
know, I've got a limited inventory.
So,
you know, I I encourage everybody to use
your 10 percent rock slide discount and,
you know, get those orders booked so that
you're not left high and dry,
if you wait till last minute, There's a
good chance, you know, you know, in late
October,
when the rifle hunts are going, you know,
our hot tents. We've got, like, the seek
outside tents and and titanium stove. That's stuff
are gonna book up. We're gonna be out.
The Bt xs are gonna book up, you
know, by the end of October first week
in November when lot of those are rifle.
High country rifle hunts are going on.
So try to get your order in quick.
And then if you've never rented from us
before to, let's let's try to try to
do it at least a week early because
we have to bet our customers in.
Go through kind of a process to
just make sure everybody is who they say
they are and make sure that we get
our gear back, at the end of your
rentals. So...
Gotcha. You guys
you rented from us. We can have some...
We can have something out the next day
Alright. You got any horror stories out there?
We've had a few issues with with people
trying to scam us, but we're pretty good
at spotting in it. So,
knock on wood so far so good.
But once a person's in your system, that
speeds it up quite a bit. And, you
said you you can reserve gears so I
knew, I was... Like, I think we'll going
to Canada in September. So, if I was
like, hey, I'm gonna be gone the fifth
of September through the through the twelfth, I
could get on and reserve something now. If
Exactly. Just like booking a hotel, you basically
booked that piece of gear from the fifth
through the twelfth,
you know, and you know, it's gonna arrive
You, you know, if you're leaving on the
fifth,
make sure that you book it from the
fourth through the twelfth because I don't know
what time on the fifth Ups or Fedex
is gonna drop it off.
But, yeah. Just just book it like a
hotel. When you get back,
that's the day that you'll...
Will be the end of your rental, and
then the date... And that has to be
a
a business day for Ups or Fedex too.
So basically, a weekday.
Basically use our common sense. Yeah. I use
your common sense, and then,
we include the shipping labels. So...
When you go to return it, you're already
gonna handle a shipping label,
print it out, save your box.
Chances are, if it's a high end optic,
it's coming in a nice pe and hard
case that's waterproof, dust proof.
You know, we'll protect the optic. If you're
rolling them around on a 4 wheeler or
Ut or something like that.
Slide that back in the box when you're
done, tape it up, put the new sticky
label over the original label and just drop
it off Ups or fedex and then get
your receipt. So that you have proof that
you did drop it all.
And then, the rest is easy. Hey easy
Peasy, buddy. So you guys are also doing
rifles. Just give us a... Quick overview of
that too. We do. So if you wanna
rent a rifle, probably the best thing to
do is is give us a call and
we'll kinda walk you through that process. But
essentially, what happens is is
you know, we kinda do a a front
end background check on stuff.
Set up your dates, and then we'll ship
it to an F nfl in your area
or your state,
you know, you can pretty... We've got a
list of them. We can help you find
1. If you're not aware of the local
gun gunshot or whatever, But, or we can
send it to where you're hunting to. If
you're
living
Say Colorado, but you're going to New Mexico,
you know, we can ship it somewhere close
to your outfit or you can pick it
up when you get there. So you don't
have to worry about. Hauling on an airplane
and doing all that kind of stuff, and
you can ship it directly back to us
because we have an F nfl,
Nice. Nice.
Okay.
Bose. Are you running bows? No. We're not
renting bows, but
bought.
But I heard a rumor.
Tell now.
I am a h dealer. So we have
a rent outdoor gear has a Hawaii dealership.
We're also carried easton arrows.
So you can buy a new h from
us. We may even have a used 1
on the shelf for 2,
but we can...
Take care of you there set up with
the new bow, and, you know, I used
to design them. So I I was... Gonna
say, tell everybody while Dick Toy.
Yeah. I I really couldn't pick anybody else.
Right? I mean, certainly not but a lot
of my
early years. But my career into designing and
H Bows, still have a a lot of
tremendous
relationships there with with H, and
So that's that's gonna be the brand that
we're gonna hang our ad on for right
now.
A solid, man. So... And so you got
a Pro shop, on site now and people
coming in. They're both set up with you
and everything. Full service
Yep. And we're we're in the vista village
and boise. If... If there's local guys that
are listening, and you can stop in and
see us give us a call.
I don't have the pros shop, open full...
Time right now because I still have a
full time job, and I'm looking for the
right guy to run it, but we can
make an appointment meeting there, go through some
stuff. I can fit you time get you
y'all all set up, and then,
you know, we'll get it get it tuned
and get you off on the right foot.
We've got... We've got some other really good
brands in there,
get option archer
for sites and quiver,
easton arrows. So there there's a number of
other ones that that we carry. But
Most of guys, I try to set up
with the, you know, an archer package that
is exactly like what I use. So.
That's kind of the...
Kind of the deal.
And you said you're looking for for the
right guy. It takes the right guy to
run a pro shop. So anybody anybody out
there listening, Darren Germ man, but I know
that he would
demand
excellent see.
Well, I'd be I'd be more than happy
to spend some time teach teaching somebody too,
but, you know, obviously,
they're gonna need to be a higher end.
Archer tree guy, you know, from the start,
and then I can teach him the rest.
Yeah. But I'd love to
love to
entertain
anybody in the in the area
that is can definitely reach out to me
to rock slide or through our website at
ren outdoor gear dot com.
Alright, buddy. Well, good to have you on.
Everybody, if you, you just Google rent outdoor
gear or jump on rock slide. Just see
his ad flash and it's on our gear
forum on the main forum page,
get a hold of Darren. He can take
care of you. And and like we said
at the beginning,
Dave Ramsey Endorse is renting,
especially for big ticket items, it makes a
lot of sense and with Darren program have
being able to rent and then turn around
and buy it if you like it. Man.
That's a low risk way to get into
a high end piece of gear.
Yep. Absolutely.
Alright, buddy. Hey, man. Good to talk to
you. You let me know if you need
something. Okay?
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membership. Okay. That was Darren Cooper, my buddy.
As I mentioned in there, he used to
be the editor at Rocks slide out the
job I have now along with other things.
And there a good writer too. If you
jump on our homepage and look up the
trick pin
was an article he wrote.
I can't even remember the premises of it,
but it's,
having less pins on your on your bow
site and using 1 pin to shoot multiple
yard just... It was a good article. The
reason I I bring it up is because
it's, like, the number 2 or 3 most
red article ever on Rock slide,
written by Darren Cooper himself. He did another
review too is on a vanguard.
Spotter. This is back in, like, 2013
14. Had even hardly heard Vanguard. I think
I had 1 of their tripod pods. And,
they sent us a spotter to try we
sent it over to Darren. And he was
doing a lot of our optics reviews then.
And he was just shocked at what a
good spotter it was. And, he ended up
sending it to me because we were doing
a rock like
contest of some sort. We've always done these
challenges in contests and everything.
And,
he sent it to me because I was
gonna ship to the to the winner after
the contest. And so I got to look
through it too. And man, there was a
a lot of performance in that scope. I
think it was an endeavor, Vanguard endeavor
Vanguard is is an advertiser now. And, I
mostly just paid attention to their tripod pods,
but don't ever overlook those guys for for
glass. I remember I. They only... Let's think
about that try... That spotter it was a
little bit heavy. But, yeah, near alpha glass
performance.
I remember in the article there and it
was compared to a swear a sw 65
at the time. And he couldn't find a
difference. And I just remember he was, like,
you're gonna burn me. I'm gonna get on
my flame suit, but but this
spotter is awesome. So anyways, fun stuff on
rock slide,
let's jump into Hunt Big The today. We're
not reading from my book,
we're gonna read from somebody else's here in
a minute.
But before we get to that,
just a few things I've been thinking about
the last couple weeks as I've been scouting,
and just things I thought I'd share with
you.
Scouting low density,
deer areas. Now a lot of the places
I go right now are formerly high density
gear areas and they're just with these winters
that we've had since 2016,
they're low dear density areas, But this applies
to places that just don't have very many
deer.
They just require more time. You gotta you
gotta cover more country.
You're you're gonna get sku a lot. It's
just hard not to get discouraged.
But I talked about tracking a few weeks
ago. If you're seeing tracks and you're seeing
sign,
you know, maybe I'm scout in a a
big mountain out in the middle of the
desert, and You know, it goes up to
8 or 9000 feet. You know what and
I'm driving in, and I'm seeing does in
the headlights and everything. I pay attention to
all that stuff where there's where there's dough,
there's bucks.
And, you know, You always hear me talking
about fawn on here. I get excited when
I see fonts because though those are all
indications that the deer hurt is function. So
unless the herd just getting, you know, way
over hunted,
too many roads,
you know, whatever. I I know there's always
gonna be a good buck around. It's just
hard,
when you're not seeing a lot of deer,
you just gotta put in the time
and just know that it could turn on
a dime. You could just be in the
right place 1 morning
looking at a different hillside from a different
angle.
This morning, there was cloud cover. It seemed
like the deer were out a little longer
than they have been this big heat wave
just broke.
Just little things like that All sudden, there
they are.
But keep keep that in mind. It just
takes more time. And the the good thing
I can tell you about
low
deer density areas
is it's easy to move on. And what
I mean by that is if I'm somewhere
where I'm seeing a lot of deer
it's it's it's hard to move on because
you think you're missing some. You know, like,
oh there's some bucks over there And, there's
a buck down there. And, you know, after
a while, you're kinda looking at the same
bucks and You think you've seen them all,
but it it's just a little bit harder
to leave where, you know, if I've glass
to spot all morning and haven't seen anything.
It's, you know, maybe a glass an hour.
I know it's still cool enough on the
northwest sides of the mountains that if I
hurry up and change angles get to a
different place,
I have another chance to fight some dare.
It's easier to move on when I'm not
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Their thing too is remember, and this doesn't
matter if it's load your densities cities or
not. But when the the bucks are are
batch up now. Almost all the books I'm
seeing are, you know, in groups of 3
Man Saw group of bucks in there day
like 9 bucks.
And that was in an area that hasn't
got hits quite so hard with the winter.
But the... They're all batch up now. So
what happens if you think about it when...
When you're scouting
bachelor herd of bucks is there's gonna be
a lot of empty country because all the
books are together.
Compared to, like, say, October when they break
up. And you know, you go into this
straw, okay, There's a 2 point of 3
point there.
You know, you move up on this little
Mesa. Oh, there's a buck right over there.
You know, they're just more spread out where
you can go to that same place now.
And it's like, man, there's no deer. I'm
not, see in any bucks. Why am I
not seeing any bucks?
And then all of a sudden, you look
in the right draw and there's 11 of
them.
So you gotta remember there can be a
lot of con free without deer and it
when they're batch up like this.
Let's see. 1 1 place I was scout
yesterday. I mentioned that, free motorbike ride. 15
miles back in on a motorbike. Yeah. You
could get a truck in there, but, just
beat it at death, especially. I I after
a 3 quarter tank truck, I pull horse.
So I I can't run a a light
duty pickup that rides nice.
I meant being all you guys with Toyota
Tacoma. Was a ford f 1 fifties
But anyways, it's 15 miles back in Rough
Mountain Road. But
once you get up on top, it's
big flat,
Mace.
Yeah
you see a lot of this in, you
know, Southern Utah, Colorado, but various other places
too. They're just more
numerous in in on the Colorado plateau.
But what I've learned about flat top mountains.
If there's feed on top of them,
Good deer feed.
The deer will be up there, but they
feel really vulnerable in that flat stuff. Like,
you're only gonna catch them out there,
you know, till about sunrise, and then they're
gonna be moving to the edges.
And
I didn't use to understand that. And so
I remember I had a a tag in
Southern Utah. Oh, this is back in the
nineties. It a good unit.
And it was just 1 great, big, flat
top mountain with
breaks off of each side of it. And
I was hunting in early October.
And I I
get get up on the mountain, There's all
this deer sign and everything, but it was
all old.
And I was only seeing, like, young bucks
and nose up on top.
And it took me a couple of days
to figure out they were they were just
off the edges, just down in these draws.
And even though I didn't end up killing
a buck. I got on a really good
buck that hunter remember I was I stayed
the whole rifle season. It was, like, 8
days long, and got into a, like, a
30, and he was living off off the
side of of a big flat mesa down
down in these draws. And I just didn't
get a shot at him. I got a
good look at him, but he was gone
before I shoot. But I remember thinking why
I wasted, like, 3 or 4 days hunting
on top.
And
and and the deer, you know, the respectable
deer had just moved off the top. But
in the summertime,
you can catch them up there. But
if you don't see them, you know, even
if it's, like 20 minutes after sunrise,
they've just moved off the top or you
just gotta move further down the mountain, further
down the Mason and look at different draws
and everything. They they feel really vulnerable out
there is my point. But in in the
summer when the feed is green and they're
in velvet.
They love those big flat top mountains. I
have seen that in virtually, every Western state
that I've on it in on these big
flat top mountains and Mesa and everything. So
so don't don't ignore them. If you're not
finding deer, just just start looking around the.
And again, they don't dive off a thousand
feet off with these things, At least not
this time here. You know, they're usually
within a hundred yards at the top, I
find.
1 of the thing is things if it's
gentle country though, so, like, let's just say
it's... And this could apply at any mountain.
But let's just say it's be flat top
mountain, and it's just kinda rolling on top.
And then it's... It it doesn't really break
into the edges It's just the edges rounded.
And it doesn't really get into any cliff
or... You know, ribbon cliffs or in rock
or anything.
Might be a few bucks around there, but
I displace I was I was going on
the motor motorbike. That's what I found.
About it in in a couple of mornings
is the the bucks, they just like the
rev country. And and the they they are
up on top during the night and right
at the first first light of the morning,
but, they're moving off into this rough country.
But if it was just smooth off of
these rims,
dose fawn or or nothing. But if if
it was a little bit rocky a little
bit cliff,
then that seemed to be where I was
seeing in the bucks.
So keep that in mind. There's there's your
mule scout and tips. I mentioned book review.
I've done a ton of book reviews on
rock slide. On on 1 I used out
the blog, and that the blog has turned
into the to the podcast. So
I I... I'm a big reader.
Well, I'm a big meal reader put it
that way. I don't I don't read a
bunch of other books. But reading just... It
engages your brain. I think differently than Youtube
or Instagram or podcast podcasts or anything.
And I don't know. 6 with me better.
It's probably why I write books too. But,
a book that I had read a long
time ago. This is kind of the 1
that got everybody started on Bowl hunting mule
air was dwight shoes, hunting open country mule
air.
I read that
I think it was about
90, 91
right around in there. And by 93, I
was bo. Mule air. I mean, it... It's
the book that lit my fire.
And,
I borrowed it from a friend, and
I had it for a long time. I
remember he was always bugging to get it
back. And, you know, there was no Amazon
then. You didn't just go order a book.
You know, your books were cherished.
And I finally give it back to him.
Nick, if you're out there, you know what
I'm talking about. Sorry, man.
That's what you get for Linda and Book.
But anyways, that book
was the... I read articles and stuff before
that on Ge bo Hunting mule,
but they were just articles. This was an
entire book on
stocking mule. Not necessarily big mule there. Although
there are some in there, but the whole
art and science of stocking Mule is really
what was. And and for years in my
mind, I just only thought of that book
as as an archer book. If you'd had
asked me the title of it a couple
weeks ago, I would've have said, oh, Archer
hunting open country mule, but that's not what
it's called. It's haunting open country mule there
and I forgotten
you know, it basically covers everything
about about glass and finding deer in the
open country and stalking them, But it's heavily
archer because Dwight shoe
was was 1... Really 1 of our best
owners are our best writers that are out
there. For you guys that are too young
knowing him. We lost him in 2019
to cancer,
he was
good buddies
with a lot of a lot of the
Who's who in the Bo hunting world. But
but do dwight... He was from Oregon, just
to dyed in the louisville bowl hundred down
to Earth guy,
just just a joy to read a good
writer, just
a real practical writer, kind of a dry
sense humor.
I always found very entertaining.
But, when Nick lent me that book, you
know, prior to that, it was like, yeah,
you might be able to get a deer
with a bow, but it it... You know,
it you're you're gonna ambush him. Somebody's gonna
push him to you, you know, you're gonna
you're gonna see a buck out on a
little flat and
5 year buddies are gonna surround even kinda
close in on. Maybe somebody will get a
shot. That's how we we we thought about
hunting the older air. And god forbid riding
around in the back of the truck, you
know, jumping off tailgate,
and fling in arrows it those, You know?
I mean that that was...
That was Bow hunting meal. But when I
read this book, that was the first time
I really thought, wow, you could do this.
You could actually...
Kill a buck with a bow and even
a big buck.
And
so I filed that away in my mind
over the years, and I've
tried many of the things that were in
there. I've killed 3 big meal with my
bow,
all of them
related to tactics that I learned in here.
But I hadn't read the book and what,
like 30 years.
And I saw it on Amazon a couple
months ago, and I thought, you know, I'm
taking my kids to...
I had my twins graduate this year. They're
seniors,
and my wife and I took them to
Mexico. And I thought, you, I'm gonna be
down there for a week.
I'm gonna read so I got that book,
and I took it with me. This 1
and 1 other 1. And
I just kinda thought, I'll probably kinda skim
over it I've read it before
you know, look at the meat and potatoes
of it, You know, just walk down memory
lane. Oh, no. No. No. No. I read
the whole thing cover to cover.
In like, 3 days.
Loved it as soon as I got back
into it or remembered what a good book
it was. Now some of it's just
nostalgia. It's just
a walk back down memory lane of how
they used to do things. And I'm talking
about the equipment, the gear,
the trucks, I mean, how they thought about
mule deer, you know, some of that stuff's
pretty out outdated now. But when I got
into the part that I'm gonna review today,
basically, the the the the the planning of
the stock, the stock, the shot, after the
shot,
that stuff is timeless.
Absolutely timeless.
And I hope you'll consider
reading this book before our tree seasons.
I am so glad that I did
because, you know, all the stuff I learned
in a 30 years ago, You know, you
put that stuff in your brain, it gets
mixed with other things over the years.
You know, it... You're not even really sure
what you learned. You just know what's in
there. You don't know who it came from.
You know, except other bow hunters too. But
1 once I got back in here, I
was like, oh, this is such
classic
bow hunting, And even though a lot of
the gear and everything like that. I mean,
you'll laugh looking at their bows and
Larry D Jones. Is in the book too,
big time Bow hunter. He's still with us.
He was, wanted to dwight good friends.
He just did a Bow hunt.
With the guy at Stalker stick both South
Cox.
Go watch that film on Youtube. It came
out like 4 or 5 years ago. I
never for whatever reason. I missed it. I
just... I knew it was out there I
thinking. And I gotta watch it. While I
watched it while I was in Mexico because
I had time, and all it was good.
So it was great See Larry Jones.
He was an open country mule dear guy.
That's how him It got together. And
you know, South has kinda picked that stuff
up too.
So anyways, I'm kinda going on and on,
but
The this book is what spawned all that.
And
it's it's still timeless, and I think it
it's worth your read. So I'm gonna give
you some of the high points from from
the book.
Once you get into... About page fifth, is
where you get into the stuff that's timeless.
You know, before that, it's you know, it's
a lot of history and and, you know,
how how he got into bo hunting, all
his failures and the you know, all all
the all the all the things that are,
like I said just kinda nostalgic. But once
you get to about page 50, get into
the chapter called spotting.
And,
you know, not now we would probably call
that chapter glass. But, you know, spotting... It...
That was kind of revolutionary back then.
Were around, but they were
pretty much military guys had bin.
You know, a few guys had a spotting
scope. They're just... Was not mainstream.
I mean, I remember my dad and locals
uncles have bin,
but they weren't very good. They they didn't
even carry them anywhere on their necks. They
were, like, in the truck, You know, we'd
stop and ma'am everybody would share the
and, you know, looking off the point and
stuff like that, where 1... I got into
this chapter, you know, 30 years ago. It
it's really the first time
besides maybe Kurt Garner book. But I I
think Dwight shoe went into stocking and spotting
even more than Curt Darn head.
It was the first time it was, like,
wow, this is a this is a whole
world. This is a whole technique here
with many, many layers. And so he starred
in that chapter,
called spotting.
And, yeah know, Guy again, some of it's
gonna be bay basic, but he talks about...
What makes a good glass is knowing where
to glass. And I always forget this. We
always think of a good glass, a guy
with, you know, awesome.
Peeps. Awesome eyesight. You know, You could see
see a nat on a on an ant
at a mile. You know, that's what we
think is a good glass. And while that
certainly helps.
That's not the only thing that makes a
good glass. A good glass is knowing where
to look.
Okay? So
I was getting re record this podcast today.
I pulled up a video from the weekend
that I shot of,
a really...
Buck
bedding area
on a northwest slope or I just... Even
though Didn't see any bucks there. I could
see beds under,
in the shade. I I just... And it's
a brand new place. I've never been there
before. First time, Ever laid glass on that
hillside, and I was like, oh, man, that
is so buck right there. I guarantee if
I spend a few days there. I'll see
see bucks betting there. Well, that's kinda what
he he starts talking about in this book
is knowing where to look is half the
game. And and that's why I don't always
agree with just g when you're glass because
grit assumes that all deer country is equal.
And it's not.
Now, you know, maybe you found a particular
hillside. This got, you know, bedding cover all
over it in feeding areas,
all over it. Okay. Yeah, that that would
make sense to grid. And I'm not saying
I never grid, But I don't just go
out and grid. I go out and look
for features
and places that
that attract books. And so that video I
was talking about. It's on my Instagram page.
I didn't put it on the rock slide
page. I put it on the Instagram Robbie
getting a instagram page because Rock lite was
busy today. We had some else going on
on there.
And
so you'll see it should be what
July fifteenth, I think is the date. And
so be a good glass is finding places
like that. Just just being able to look
at places like that. Know that, hey, I
got this big giant mountains outside. And, yeah,
I should look at the whole thing, but
I really need to pay particular attention. Into
that place, especially as the sun comes around
the mountain shadows changed or get up and
move stuff like that. So do dwight it
goes into that in in that spotting chapter.
He also goes into what's called the pocket
principal.
The pocket principle,
this is something that III was doing for
years and not really realizing it,
and I kinda grown as a deer hunter.
And then
when I would talk to guys that weren't
thinking this way, I realized that... Yeah. I
kinda use think that way too. This is
what I'm talking. Mule deer typically live in
pockets. K? Talked about low density deer areas
earlier in this episode.
That's what makes it frustrating is there's not
very many u deer, and so there can
be a whole bunch of pockets that might
look bucky, but they don't heart... There's not
enough deer to fill them all. K? But
the principle of pockets is still the same
even in high density deer areas.
Deer seek out smaller areas.
In
the... In in their habitat then say Elk.
Okay? Deer are real picky about where they
wanna go and when Say, dear, I should
I should really focus on Buck. I mean,
deer in general, but definitely Bucks talked about
earlier, you know, the rough country, the the
the broken country.
And it's not all created equal. Because and
and and deer know
what country has the right thermals, the right
the right feed or the right distance to
feed,
the the sun, especially early in the year
like this is
what is driving a lot of their behavior
because it... It's hot.
And, you know, as soon as it comes
up, they're they're trying to get away from
it. They're they're basically
vampires from from the middle of June on.
And even though their their their hairs thin,
they don't have their their their coats. They
still don't like to be out in the
blazing and sun. So the sun is dictating
wearing in the habitat that they're gonna
And so this whole pocket principle
is
getting it through our heads that deer not
gonna be evenly distributed across Land But I'm
not trying to say Elk car either but
it seems like Elk can be about anywhere.
But deer left un disturb without a lot
of pressure.
Okay we'll we'll we'll seek out certain pockets.
And once you find those pockets, you're gonna
you're gonna see way more gear, like, 5
to 10 times more dear than you do.
Just randomly
going across the landscape. And so always remember
that 1. You're not seeing there. You just
may not be
in the right pocket in that pocket. Yeah.
It could be a a big basin. It
could be a little cool off the side
of Mesa.
It. It could be some,
some some canyon that are just some side
canyon off of a main canyon. You know,
but but
when I said I grew as a deer
hunter or what I meant was
I started just looking for pockets rather than
looking at all the deer country. And this
just kind of occurred naturally. And that's why
I said it kinda caught me off guard
a little bit was that was like, yeah.
Now III don't treat all deer country the
same. I look at it, and I'm looking
for the pockets. And and all the good
deer hunters. I know they they do the
same thing. And others there's a bunch of
you guys out there nod your heads right
now.
But but deer our pocket animals, and that's
our job is is fine is finding those
pockets.
Then he goes into another chapter called
before the stock. Okay? So he's got an
entire chapter
about things he goes through
before he even starts the stock.
And and that's what I meant. When I
started reading this again, it was great to
just get this all
reorganized and my brain, how all this comes
together. You know, because a lot of times
we just think
spot stock.
And in Dwight world, it's like, no. There's
a whole bunch of steps in between spot
and stock. Alright? And
so he calls it before the stock,
talks about looking for...
Bed bucks versus feeding bucks.
And
when he's gonna
plant an ambush,
when he's gonna wait for a buck to
stand? What type of country? He's expecting to
catch a bed buck in? What kind of
country might lend itself better to hunting funnels,
and, you know, and things like that. And
and, you know, and he goes through through
basic
decisions that he makes before before he even
takes off after the buck. And
how he plans the stock and so funny
in here because, you know, we all have
smartphones now. And we used to all... All
of us used to carry little notebooks,
little tiny notebooks kinda that would go in
like an engineer's pocket. And we would draw
pictures of what the hillside look like. And
I had been doing that for years before
I got a smartphone. And and that's where
I got it from was in here. He
talks about. How about planning your stock and
just...
How hard it is to recognize
terrain
once your
perspective changes. Once you get over there or,
you know, you make a... You make a
half a loop and you start looking back
down in the january. He thought he was
and everything looks different. He talk he talks
about that,
you know, using your compass.
Which is still very smart even with a
smartphone.
The
the technology that's in the bin. I'm thinking
Sw asking. Because so that's what I shoot,
but
the
the ta, the tracking assistant, but it's in
the...
I know base has it. Oh, on forgive.
You probably do too, and I just haven't
learned it, but you can drop thin and
go straight to it.
That stuff is,
you,
everything dwight talking about on steroids,
but it's still good to read through that
process. And 1 other thing. And and and
I know to do this, but I I
don't always think about it as part of
planning the stock is he calls spot the
spoilers.
Spotting the spoilers means
what remembering all the deer you've seen through
the morning,
because, you know, you'll see Deer throughout the
morning as you're watching these bucks, and you
then... Once you get in the stock you
kinda forget about them No. No. You gotta
pay attention to them.
When you plan your stock out, blast your
whole stock out, make sure there's no deer
out, you know, if they're up feeding, that's...
They're easy to catch if they're bed, it's
gonna be harder, but A a lot of
times if you can just get
a straight shot at a buck. I don't
care if he's 9 years old. If you
could get us straight shot at a buck,
and there's no spoilers in there and buy
a straight shot, I mean, stock. If you
can get a stock at him, and not
have to lose sight of him.
Too much, and there's no other deer between
you and them.
There's not a lot that can go wrong.
Now, I'm not telling you're gonna get the
dare. But they're...
You're probably gonna get within range of that
deer. And it was good to be reminded
about, you know, all the things that can
go go wrong on there.
And then
he breaks into the next chapter. He breaks
the stock down even more. He got before
the stock. And then you've got closing in.
Alright? So
that's kind of a subset of the word
stock and and he talks about
all the things that can happen when you're
closing in. 1 of the big ones,
relocating a buck.
And I think that, like,
obviously, the gold standard is to spot a
buck, keep your eyes on him and stalk
right in. Well, that hardly ever happens. You,
you almost always have to, you know,
get behind something, you know, go behind the
red circle around, you know, that's that's just
kind of accepted in mule deer hunting. But
in...
We we kind of forget that we gotta
have
the skill to relocate a buck.
We we need to expect that we're gonna
have to relocate about. That's what I'm trying
to say. That's what came out of is
reading where sometimes like, be lose track of
the buck on the stock and and we
think, oh,
just my luck.
Yeah always happens to me. No. That's normal.
Very rarely do they stay in exactly the
same bed? You know, even if they move
15 yards, it can be really hard to
relocate. But even if they stay in the
same bed because your perspective all changes,
that,
you've gotta continually relocate that buck, and he
talks about that on on closing in, how
he just expects that. You know, that... That's
the norm that you're gonna... Gonna lose track
of the buck, and then you're just gonna
have to find him again and
expect it. And then he goes into this
this whole thing. It's called the philosophy of
getting close.
And
it's it's it's too long to go into
it I almost have to read it word
for word to capture it. But
he believes he can get close to deer
and I I think
that's what stuck out to me as young
man when I read this because, you know,
I grew up in a family where I
I just said it, you know, getting a
deer with a boat. That was just a
random
happening in the universe, You know? You just
happened to... I to get a shot at
a buck and you got. And there wasn't
a not not a lot you could do
on purpose to kill a deer
on purpose with a bow. And and and
Dwight does not believe that. He believes that
you can get close to most dear
and by extension to most bucks. And
that
seemed cocky when I read that back then.
But even though I haven't killed a bunch
of pig meal with my bow, I believe
him, you can.
If
I don't think that you're... If you... I
think if you do it right, you're gonna
have
probably 30
percent
of your stocks will be successful. I'm just
throwing a random number out there, but I'm
just thinking of the last
4 or 5 deer that I've stocked,
it might even be higher than that. It
might even be, like 50 percent. Now I'm
not just saying that if you see a
deer, you got a 50 percent chance
of getting on him. I'm not saying that.
I'm just saying if if you do all
these things he's talking about.
And,
you you be patient, but not too patient,
You gotta be aggressive.
At some point. You gotta you gotta go.
You do all that stuff. Right? I think
you'll be surprised. At how often you're gonna
get within range of them. And this book
was the first 1 that really
taught me that. And,
you know, jumping in head 30 years. Yep.
IIII believe you you you play your cards
right. You're you're gonna get closer to more
of them
than you think, but we'll talk about it
in a minute. It's not all about getting
close to them. Has I can attest.
K. Ben is the next chapter is actually
the stock. Okay? So he's got all what
what the 2 or 3 chapters
prior to even the stock. You know, where
remote... Most of us just jump right into
the stock.
And he breaks it down by what you're
trying to overcome.
The the the the bucks, sets of smile,
and he's talking about scent control with the
person and do dwight is not into any
hoc poc
scent control thing. He's he's of the school.
If you get down. Yeah you you put
a here down Window you, they're gonna smell
you. But he's he's all about staying clean,
you know, clean clothes,
stuff like that. That's gonna help. That's gonna
give you more time Randy Ol took that
to the next level. He was always staying
really clean, and he always said the same
thing. Yeah. They're gonna smell you. But, you
know, sent is,
these are my words here. Sent is a
concentration game as in. How much scent is
concentrated in that area. The higher that that
is, the the better chance they have of
smelling you. So if you can keep the
concentration of cent low,
it buys you more time. Sometimes you only
need another 5 seconds,
and and and that's the whole idea of
of smell. So do dwight I talks about
that in there too? I I got a
credit him. He was right. The first 1
that really cut into that.
Talks about overcoming their site.
They're hearing.
Talks about, using their curiosity
against them. And I think when you get
real old bucks, they're not very curious. However,
they're a little bit. Curious, and he talks
about that in there too.
But definitely with the younger bucks and everything
he talks about using their curiosity against them.
He also talks about
And when I first read it, I thought,
I gotta think about this. But that on
stocks,
when he's alerted a big buck,
but he hasn't put him on high alert,
and then he just gets quiet and holds
perfectly still, and then the buck goes back
to just be in a buck.
He calls it forgetting about you. He he
says, hey, they just forgot about you. And
when I read that again, even this the
second time. I'm like, wait a minute, They
don't forget about you. But then So I
thought it through for a minute. I thought,
okay. I know what he's talking about. No.
If you sp them and they see and
know, they do not forget about you. Okay?
If they smell you, they do not forget
about you. But what he's talking about is
you're you're gonna make some noise on your
stock.
And if you're if if you're if you're
frequency
of noise and I don't I'm not talking
volume here. The the amount of time between
noises that is is long enough. The bucks
will forget about you is is what he's
talking about. So what he means? Is, like,
say you you're steak along and you
slide your even if you're in stocking. Feet
accidentally.
Slide your foot across the ground it grinds
a gravel just a little bit. And I'll
you that bucks head come up and as
ears go go
90 degrees. Looking all over the place. A
hundred and 80 degrees, You know, like they
do.
But you hold still and you give him
a couple minutes, and then he settles back
down.
Dwight right. He is forgetting about you. Because
if he truly thought that was a threat,
he would not forget about it. He is
just not associating in with danger. He's heard
it. He listened for a while. It's stayed
quiet, so he forgets about So I I
don't know if that's a revolution revolutionary I
concept to you guys. But when I read
that again. I I thought, yeah. Yeah. I
gotta remember that on my next stock, give
him time to forget about you. K?
The last part of the stock is putting
it all together, and this is where he's
talking about. You're getting ready for the shot
and everything.
And and then it goes into the next
chapter,
the shot. And that's what I mean. This
is a work of art. He he broke
this down
to
the very basic elements of this. And this
helped me. You know, even as a 55
year old bow. This helped me because, you
know, I'm Add. I'm always trying to
push things,
and, you know, make things happen.
Sometimes that'll work for you. But in
in honey big meal with a bow,
you gotta be careful with that stuff. And
so when he gets into the shot. And
this is where I have fallen apart. Alright?
So you know I've killed 3 big meal
with my bow, killed 3 in a row
with my bow. And then the last 3
that we're all just as big. You know,
these are all bucks, 1 90 and north
of or junky
wide bucks, you know, something going for, big
bucks,
then I missed the last 3. Wounded 1
of them. He survived
then,
because we saw him again during prophecies season
and Travis Swaps got a shot, at. That's
in the last chapter of my book,
the stories.
And then the buck that I... That I
missed in 20 22. That that was a
good 28 to 30 inch deer non typical
you know, had him at 25 yards. He
got up. He turned. He showed me a
shoulder but I had a branch. Right? In
front of me. And then he turned and
he walked away and he walked out to
38 yards.
And
I just didn't let him
quarter enough. He he turned
and he saw me draw,
and that just put me on high alert,
but that was my mistake. He wasn't on
high alert. He just saw something back there.
About a waited just a little bit longer.
I would had a lot better
angle to shoot at him, and I wouldn't
have missed. And
And then let's say there's another 1 in
there. Oh, my 2014
book, 1 90,
Gross buck that I missed at,
48 yards
use the wrong pin. What an amateur move
put it my 20 yard pin
on his withers.
Meant to put my 40 yard pen on
his withers. But I got all jacked up.
Another buck had spooked and this buck went
on high alert, but he wasn't looking at
me. I still had plenty of time.
So what my whole point was is I've
missed those 3 big bucks. And those are
all my fault.
Nothing to do with equipment. That's just me
crap in the bed. And
all these things that he's talking about, Just
reading him again. Just help kinda slow me
back down. But this this chapter here called
the shot. He goes through
defining the shot,
and the difference between getting a shot
and getting a good shot.
And
On 2 of those books I just talked
about,
I didn't give my... I got a shot,
but I didn't take the time to get
a good shot. And he breaks that down
over pages.
And the cool thing about Dwight is he
interviewed a lot of bow hunters when he
wrote this book. So it's not just him.
He's he's talking about. This guy lives in
Oregon. This is how he does it. This
guy's killed 3 record book bucks. This is
how he does and interviewed them all. And
so so remember, there's a difference between getting
a shot
and getting a good shot. And I think
that's that's where I gotta a slow in
my mind
is
sometimes, I'm just... I just gotta get shot.
Got Got get a shot. That's what it's
all. No. No No. No. We we just
gotta get 1 good shot. That... That's all
we need.
And then let's see. Talked about getting the
shot,
making the shot 2 totally different things. So
getting the shot, making the shot.
Talks about practicing under pressure, the different kind
of field practice. It's funny. 3D3D
is
term is not even mentioned in here, the
word 3 d. This is clear back when
we're were just shooting target butts. And... But
but he talks about how
shooting and competition can really help you. The
whole concept of picking a spot, all my
bows, if you look somewhere in my bows,
There'll be a little piece of tape that
says pick a spot. Because,
I'm supposed to read it before I shoot
and and and I don't think I have
been. But but that concept,
I first heard him start talking about that
about. Don't just aim at the deer.
You gotta pick a spot.
You've Heard mentioned being an outfit
for over the years, and I've I've taken
a lot of what I call self guided
hunters, meaning, you know, because we operate on
private land.
I'll show guys the ranch, stay in touch
with them each day. I used to give
them Max. So now I give them On
x. These are guys that wanna hunt on
their own. K? But they do need a
little bit of help. And a few years
back, I had
4 guys out
from
an Eastern state. Let's just say. I'm not
picking on Eastern guys and all these were
great guys, good bow hunters, but all the
stuff they killed had bent at 20 25
yards
because of where they lived. Well, then they
come out here and all of sudden, they
got Elk running and all over around them,
you know, from
30 yards to 70 yards,
and I think in, like, 3 days.
Well, they did kill 1. They they hit
1, hit it in the neck and dropped
it.
So that... He even said that wasn't even
really on purpose. I just aimed at the
elk. And then the other,
3LI think they'd missed 1, and then they'd
hit 2,
and didn't recover them.
The Elk could've have even been fine the
way these guys were shooting.
And I didn't learn about this until about
2 days after
it it all happened. And, you know, I
just talked to him on the phone that
night. As you have. We had a bad
couple of days. He told me what was
going on, and and, you know, I'm not
wanting to judge anybody because I've made the
same mistakes. But I asked, are you guys
I didn't ask him when I told him
I said, I think you guys are just
aiming at an elk.
You're not aiming at a spot on the
elk, and they were like, oh, you nailed,
Buddy. You know, they get in front of
us, and we just we just put the
pin on the elk. And so we we
talked to that through and said, hey, you
know, you gotta pick a spot.
They came back the next year, which would
have been last year. They didn't wound any,
and they killed
1 or 2. I can't remember now. Talk
too many guys. But that that was the
whole thing of picking a spot. Don't aim
at the whole animal. And, of course, listening
on a podcast. You're like, I would never
do that.
But
believe me, there's the little part of your
brain
that once you get the the the the
bow drawn and you hit your anchor point,
there's a little part of your brain that's
says, I've arrived.
No. You have it. That's the critical
seconds right there. And that's where... And I'm
I'm talking to Robbie Den. That's where we
gotta take that extra time. Heard Randy owner
talk about that on on a few, and
it's just hard to get through my head.
He's like, always take a couple extra seconds.
I think is how I said, Just take
a couple extra seconds. Do I have the
right pin? Am I picking in the right
spot?
And you know, And may... I'm sure there's
a whole bunch of bow owners on here
that are that are way over that. You
know, they're they're they're beyond that. They're not
having that problem anymore. But I I still
think, you know, being an outfit and then
live in my own body. There's a whole
bunch of us that really need to work
on that.
Picking a spot,
making the shot. Not just getting. He shot.
He then goes into another chapter called after
the shot,
And that's a good 1 too. It has
just a bunch of information in there about
about what to expect after the shot, how
deer react,
when they're hit in in various places.
Blood trailing. He talks about the difference between
a blood trader, which was Larry d Jones.
He would stay with the blood.
And then the rest, the other
70 percent of the hunting population, which does
what?
They grid.
They lose the blood and then they grid.
And Larry Jones,
and my father,
or or never that way. They were always
like, no. You stay with the blood. You
don't
walk and the tracks, by the way, the
blood and the tracks. You stay with those.
If you lose them, you still spend your
time looking for them,
not just venturing out. Like, well, I think
he went that way. I think it went
that way. That hardly ever works. You know,
if you have a group of 10 guys,
maybe.
But do Dwight I talks about that And
here, it was refreshing, even though I read
it 30 years ago, I think I I
kinda forgotten that that he said by and
large, Larry finds way more animals
by sticking to the blood. And that's how
it was with my dad my dad was
a pair hunter, and a hundred with a
lot of guys that that Bull hunted bears.
My dad was always fine in the bears.
Because he would stick with the blood.
So he talks about after the shot,
you know, pick picking places on the deer.
He's got some,
illustrations on where to hit him and basically
looking at a picture of it right now.
The little pocket behind the leg that we're
all all top, but we're talking with the
legs straight up and down. And just an
inch or 2 behind it and preferably the
deer cor for just a little bit.
About trailing
And
just a bunch of... He's he's got a
bunch of what I call An anecdotes kind
of many stories to back up his points
in their So just full of it. And
then the rest of the book, he gets
into other methods, you know, ambush hunting and
things like that,
talks range finder
were not invented then, or laser range finder.
It was the optical range finder and I
actually had 1,
where you, like, you you you turn the
wheel and the image
it's it's like a... When you focus a
camera,
when it comes into focus, you could
tell the yard, but, honestly, it it always
felt like it was plus or minus 7
yards. You know, they weren't that close. He
talks about that in there and
backpack hunting
things like that, just just good classic dwight
shoes stuff. So I really think unless you
have just
killed 5 of the last 5 big that
you pointed a bow at. I think it's
worth your time to jump on Amazon.
Fine. Hunting open country mule by Dwight shoe.
Maybe you've got it on your shelf. Go
read at least those chapters, but but you're
you're wise to read the whole thing. I
think it'll make you better pull.
Okay, everybody. Hope that was helpful and have
a great seller. Talk to you on next
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