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is there's gonna be a lot of empty

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little Mesa, oh, there's a buck right over

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there. You know, they're just more spread out.

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in the right draw and there's 11 of

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lot of country without deer in it when

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advertisers on Rock slide. How are you doing,

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Derek?

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Doing great. Robbie. Thanks for letting me on.

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You, bet, man. Sam and I've been talking

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about it and we just haven't reached out

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yet. Gosh, we're halfway through the summer here.

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We we need to get you in front

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of people.

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You've been on before, but for new listeners,

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tell everybody what rent outdoor gear is all

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about.

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So we have a huge selection of kinda

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high end

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you know, if guys have a gap in

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there in their gear kit or maybe they're

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coming out west for the first time or

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something like that.

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You know, we can set them up with

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with, all the equipment that you might need

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for a, you know, your back country hunts

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you're going to Alaska, and you don't have

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something that you need or going on, you

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know, just doing something different or or if

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you just wanna try out a new piece

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of gear, a high end optic or something

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like that.

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It's a great opportunity to,

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use some of this stuff before you go

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commit big money and and buy stuff side

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on scene in a lot of cases, you

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can't you know, go in the sporting goods

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store and really get a a good feel

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for gear. So it's...

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It's just awesome to be able to take

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something out in the field and Scout with

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it or hunt with it before before you

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make a decision to actually buy it. And

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then if you do decide to buy it,

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we don't just rent it,

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we're also we think the best place to

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buy it because

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we can give you a better deal on

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it. You're gonna save some money over brand

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new gear.

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opportunity to try it first, but we're also

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gonna credit that rental back towards your purchase.

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money if you do decide to go ahead

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and and purchase the item.

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over into a purchase, and and we'll knock

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some money off the top or it being

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a lightly used item you still get the

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but we'll apply that rental fee toward it.

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all in all in all, just a great

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program for guys. Some regardless whether you're already

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a hardcore western hunter with the full gear

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kit or, you know, you're just getting into

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it or you're coming out west for a,

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you know, once in a while thing, and

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know, you can't justify buying, maybe some of

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the specialized western gear renting is is a

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really nice option.

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You, yeah, Man. I'm I'm a big day,

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Ramsey fan, and I listen to him all

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the time, And I hear him chewing people

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out all the time on his show. Oh

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that went out and bought stuff that could

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have been rented. You know, things that, like,

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we don't we don't have to use very

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often, and we go spend a bunch of

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money in it and and high end Western

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gear kind of falls in that category. I

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mean, you know, like, you guys have Bt

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xs. Right? Oh, yeah. Dude my Bt bts

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is my favorite because also my least used

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optic. It... It's probably not real smart on.

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But but seriously, Redding makes makes a lot

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of sense for stuff that a guy, you

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like you said, going to Alaska, maybe need

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specialized

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piece of gear for just that trip a

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year. It sure more easier in a lot

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of time. Yeah. Rick? Yeah. But well, let

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I'm let's talk about that. What what are

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some of the other categories of gear that

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you that you... That you're in? I'm always

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thinking optic and rifles, but you guys do

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other stuff too. Yeah. We've got tents and

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backpacks and sleeping bags. So we've got some

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clothing items like rain gear,

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jeez. We've got tripod,

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you know, corona,

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you know, if you need to go do

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the data on your rifle, but you're not,

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like, a hard quarter reload or you're just,

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you know, trying to get your stuff set

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up. We have

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magnet speed.

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So we got 3 different c graphs there.

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sitting in the garage collect dust, man. I

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think I've used it 3 times in, like,

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5 years.

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Yeah. And you can rent... You know, you

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can rent a Magnet speed for, you know,

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3 8 weekend. There's something like that for

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about 50 bucks. So

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You don't have to go shell out 600

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bucks. And and the way that technology technologies

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is moving on some of that stuff right

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sense maybe to ramp because it's... There's gonna

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be something better coming out right around the

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corner. So Yeah, We might be doing it

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with our phones on a little tripod before

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we know it. No kidding. Other thing about

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renting that always makes sense to me. Dude

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does just store and all your gear. You

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know what Mean? Like, get it when when...

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I'm using something infrequently, and and I I

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don't have to store. I I can just

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give it back. You know, just makes a

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lot of sense. You you're, like, storing and

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maintaining it, you know, just, yeah. Playing in

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the tents and, you know, doing all that

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stuff. I I've got a lot better perspective

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on it because we have to do so

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much of it now, but it it takes

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a pretty big effort to, you know, just

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clean up the optics and, you know, all

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the gear,

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weekend week out to keep it in really

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good condition. It's a it's a chore.

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and the box and send it back to

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Everybody's thinking optics right now, and I I

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think there's been kind of a revolution in

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the last couple of years on compact spotter.

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You know? Yeah. It seem like you were

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always given up quite a bit or now

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know, they're still compact spotter. You know, they're

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not 80 80 millimeters sp they're not 95

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spotter, but gosh, you're you're just getting so

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much performance. In the small packages,

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what compact spotter are you guys carrying?

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So we are carrying the

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the all 3 of the, kind of the

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3 new ones that are out, the cal,

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55 millimeter, the brand new 1, the, that

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they just revised.

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We've got the new Sw,

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U, 56 millimeter, and then we've also got

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the new

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vortex razor 55 millimeter spotter. Oh. I'm glad

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to hear that razor made the cut.

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I haven't got to look through 1 yet.

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But I know enough guys on rock slide,

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you know, Travis per tran, 1 of our

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riders.

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Those guys are loving those things. For the

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money, they the the... And the performance are

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getting out of them. They just can't quit

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talking about them. So that's great to hear

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that you've got them too.

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Yeah. I... It's it's a category that I

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think gets overlooked a lot. I mean, excuse

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me, most guys, you know, want the big

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glass, but

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I always say the, you know, the best

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piece of glass is the 1 that you

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actually have in your pack when you need

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it. And

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there's just a lot of times that I

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think people end up leaving their 85 millimeters

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spotter back at the truck. And if you

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have 1 of those little ones a 55

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or 50 you know, 56 millimeters spotter that,

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you know, they're really good optics,

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and there's virtually no reason to leave them

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behind because, you know, we can get them

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out

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with a lightweight tripod and and you've got

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literally, like, a 3 pound package

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that you can take into the back country

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and and

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barely feel it in your pack.

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Yeah. Yeah. And, like, this this place I

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was, scout this weekend. It's it's a 15

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mile ride

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on a dirt bike on a rough road.

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I mean, you could get a truck back

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there, but goodness, who wants to drive a

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truck on 15 miles of of mountain Roads.

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And so when I put my pack together,

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no way, am I gonna have that 80

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millimeter beat me the back. I threw I

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threw in my little S sps 56 and

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was gone. And. Hardly know it's back there.

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And Like you said, you know, the best

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the best piece is the 1 that you've

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got. You know, if I could if I

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could have my V and my my 80

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millimeter Ats with me all the time. Yeah

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Of course. You know, you... You you're gonna

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see more. Associate the with the the edges

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of light with with that big.

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Yeah.

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80 millimeter everything. But, you know, for what

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I what I found for the most part,

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at least 56 is you're just giving up

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a a little bit on the edges of

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light,

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You know, maybe maybe your field of view

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isn't isn't gonna be as big, Man they're

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they're still. There's there there's so much performance

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there. Where I didn't even used to think

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about compact spotter. You know, I...

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The the most compact 1 I had was

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that old pirate scope Sw asking it really

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wasn't considered Compact.

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But, you know, it was smaller, and, you

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know, I got years out of that thing.

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So anyways, mounting systems, you said that you're...

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You guys are,

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renting out Tripod too. Yeah. We do. We've

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got know. A full line of tripod, everything

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from, you know, sub 2 pound ultra light

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backpack and set to you know, full heavy

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duty rifle tripod

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for competition shooting. So anything from about 40

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millimeter legs to

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down to 22 millimeter legs. So

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We've got a really nice lineup,

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primarily from Leo photo,

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and then we've got several different heads. We've

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got ball heads and we've got

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shooting heads,

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and then we've also got

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some really nice lightweight pan head options as

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well. And they're all outfitted with Arc swiss.

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So pretty much our whole system

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revolves around our Arc swiss mounting.

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Call right.

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And, are they any of those, tripod pads

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compact?

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Oh, yeah. For sure.

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Okay. Yeah. We've got ones that

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you know, we'll

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fold down to very lightweight and our sub

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2 pounds.

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And we'll, you know, get nice and short,

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you know, if that's an issue for you,

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or, you know, we've got the the big

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stuff too if you're gonna throw something like

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a

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set of Cow highlander

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on it. We've got tripod buds for that

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as well. I've got Cow highlander.

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You know, everything from Cow Highlander down to

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these little 55 millimeter scope. So

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Not alright in hand. Cover everything. We've got

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laser range binder and range finding oc and

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a little bit everything.

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Well tell us real quick. What's what's your

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turnaround time between somebody place in an order

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and it it hit in the mail.

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We can turn orders

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pretty dang quick. However,

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it's in your best interest to get a

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reservation made early because stuff books up. You

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know, I've got a limited inventory.

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So,

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you know, I I encourage everybody to use

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your 10 percent rock slide discount and,

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you know, get those orders booked so that

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you're not left high and dry,

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if you wait till last minute, There's a

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good chance, you know, you know, in late

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October,

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when the rifle hunts are going, you know,

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our hot tents. We've got, like, the seek

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outside tents and and titanium stove. That's stuff

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are gonna book up. We're gonna be out.

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The Bt xs are gonna book up, you

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know, by the end of October first week

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in November when lot of those are rifle.

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High country rifle hunts are going on.

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So try to get your order in quick.

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And then if you've never rented from us

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before to, let's let's try to try to

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do it at least a week early because

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we have to bet our customers in.

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Go through kind of a process to

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just make sure everybody is who they say

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they are and make sure that we get

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our gear back, at the end of your

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rentals. So...

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Gotcha. You guys

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you rented from us. We can have some...

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We can have something out the next day

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Alright. You got any horror stories out there?

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We've had a few issues with with people

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trying to scam us, but we're pretty good

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at spotting in it. So,

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knock on wood so far so good.

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But once a person's in your system, that

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speeds it up quite a bit. And, you

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said you you can reserve gears so I

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knew, I was... Like, I think we'll going

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to Canada in September. So, if I was

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like, hey, I'm gonna be gone the fifth

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of September through the through the twelfth, I

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could get on and reserve something now. If

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Exactly. Just like booking a hotel, you basically

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booked that piece of gear from the fifth

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through the twelfth,

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you know, and you know, it's gonna arrive

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You, you know, if you're leaving on the

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fifth,

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make sure that you book it from the

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fourth through the twelfth because I don't know

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what time on the fifth Ups or Fedex

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is gonna drop it off.

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But, yeah. Just just book it like a

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hotel. When you get back,

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that's the day that you'll...

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Will be the end of your rental, and

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then the date... And that has to be

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a

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a business day for Ups or Fedex too.

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So basically, a weekday.

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Basically use our common sense. Yeah. I use

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your common sense, and then,

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we include the shipping labels. So...

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When you go to return it, you're already

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gonna handle a shipping label,

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print it out, save your box.

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Chances are, if it's a high end optic,

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it's coming in a nice pe and hard

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case that's waterproof, dust proof.

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You know, we'll protect the optic. If you're

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rolling them around on a 4 wheeler or

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Ut or something like that.

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Slide that back in the box when you're

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done, tape it up, put the new sticky

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label over the original label and just drop

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it off Ups or fedex and then get

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your receipt. So that you have proof that

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you did drop it all.

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And then, the rest is easy. Hey easy

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Peasy, buddy. So you guys are also doing

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rifles. Just give us a... Quick overview of

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that too. We do. So if you wanna

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rent a rifle, probably the best thing to

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do is is give us a call and

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we'll kinda walk you through that process. But

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essentially, what happens is is

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you know, we kinda do a a front

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end background check on stuff.

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Set up your dates, and then we'll ship

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it to an F nfl in your area

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or your state,

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you know, you can pretty... We've got a

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list of them. We can help you find

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1. If you're not aware of the local

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gun gunshot or whatever, But, or we can

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send it to where you're hunting to. If

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you're

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living

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Say Colorado, but you're going to New Mexico,

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you know, we can ship it somewhere close

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to your outfit or you can pick it

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up when you get there. So you don't

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have to worry about. Hauling on an airplane

422
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and doing all that kind of stuff, and

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you can ship it directly back to us

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because we have an F nfl,

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Nice. Nice.

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Okay.

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Bose. Are you running bows? No. We're not

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renting bows, but

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bought.

430
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But I heard a rumor.

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Tell now.

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I am a h dealer. So we have

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a rent outdoor gear has a Hawaii dealership.

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We're also carried easton arrows.

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So you can buy a new h from

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us. We may even have a used 1

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on the shelf for 2,

438
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but we can...

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Take care of you there set up with

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the new bow, and, you know, I used

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to design them. So I I was... Gonna

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say, tell everybody while Dick Toy.

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Yeah. I I really couldn't pick anybody else.

444
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Right? I mean, certainly not but a lot

445
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of my

446
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early years. But my career into designing and

447
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H Bows, still have a a lot of

448
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tremendous

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relationships there with with H, and

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So that's that's gonna be the brand that

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we're gonna hang our ad on for right

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now.

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A solid, man. So... And so you got

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a Pro shop, on site now and people

455
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coming in. They're both set up with you

456
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and everything. Full service

457
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Yep. And we're we're in the vista village

458
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and boise. If... If there's local guys that

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are listening, and you can stop in and

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see us give us a call.

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I don't have the pros shop, open full...

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Time right now because I still have a

463
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full time job, and I'm looking for the

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right guy to run it, but we can

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make an appointment meeting there, go through some

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stuff. I can fit you time get you

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y'all all set up, and then,

468
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you know, we'll get it get it tuned

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and get you off on the right foot.

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We've got... We've got some other really good

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brands in there,

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get option archer

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for sites and quiver,

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easton arrows. So there there's a number of

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other ones that that we carry. But

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Most of guys, I try to set up

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with the, you know, an archer package that

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is exactly like what I use. So.

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That's kind of the...

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Kind of the deal.

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And you said you're looking for for the

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right guy. It takes the right guy to

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run a pro shop. So anybody anybody out

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there listening, Darren Germ man, but I know

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that he would

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demand

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excellent see.

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Well, I'd be I'd be more than happy

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to spend some time teach teaching somebody too,

490
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but, you know, obviously,

491
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they're gonna need to be a higher end.

492
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Archer tree guy, you know, from the start,

493
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and then I can teach him the rest.

494
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Yeah. But I'd love to

495
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love to

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entertain

497
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anybody in the in the area

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that is can definitely reach out to me

499
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to rock slide or through our website at

500
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ren outdoor gear dot com.

501
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Alright, buddy. Well, good to have you on.

502
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Everybody, if you, you just Google rent outdoor

503
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gear or jump on rock slide. Just see

504
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his ad flash and it's on our gear

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forum on the main forum page,

506
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get a hold of Darren. He can take

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care of you. And and like we said

508
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at the beginning,

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Dave Ramsey Endorse is renting,

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especially for big ticket items, it makes a

511
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lot of sense and with Darren program have

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being able to rent and then turn around

513
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and buy it if you like it. Man.

514
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That's a low risk way to get into

515
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a high end piece of gear.

516
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Yep. Absolutely.

517
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Alright, buddy. Hey, man. Good to talk to

518
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you. You let me know if you need

519
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something. Okay?

520
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Likewise Robbie. Appreciate it, man. That. It's time

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membership. Okay. That was Darren Cooper, my buddy.

545
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As I mentioned in there, he used to

546
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be the editor at Rocks slide out the

547
00:19:17,078 --> 00:19:18,745
job I have now along with other things.

548
00:19:18,983 --> 00:19:21,602
And there a good writer too. If you

549
00:19:21,602 --> 00:19:24,222
jump on our homepage and look up the

550
00:19:24,222 --> 00:19:25,039
trick pin

551
00:19:25,427 --> 00:19:26,853
was an article he wrote.

552
00:19:27,962 --> 00:19:30,260
I can't even remember the premises of it,

553
00:19:30,418 --> 00:19:30,973
but it's,

554
00:19:32,654 --> 00:19:35,295
having less pins on your on your bow

555
00:19:35,295 --> 00:19:38,494
site and using 1 pin to shoot multiple

556
00:19:38,494 --> 00:19:40,015
yard just... It was a good article. The

557
00:19:40,015 --> 00:19:41,670
reason I I bring it up is because

558
00:19:41,868 --> 00:19:43,856
it's, like, the number 2 or 3 most

559
00:19:43,856 --> 00:19:45,367
red article ever on Rock slide,

560
00:19:46,082 --> 00:19:48,865
written by Darren Cooper himself. He did another

561
00:19:48,865 --> 00:19:50,558
review too is on a vanguard.

562
00:19:52,061 --> 00:19:54,371
Spotter. This is back in, like, 2013

563
00:19:54,371 --> 00:19:56,282
14. Had even hardly heard Vanguard. I think

564
00:19:56,362 --> 00:19:58,193
I had 1 of their tripod pods. And,

565
00:19:58,591 --> 00:20:00,438
they sent us a spotter to try we

566
00:20:00,438 --> 00:20:01,395
sent it over to Darren. And he was

567
00:20:01,395 --> 00:20:02,911
doing a lot of our optics reviews then.

568
00:20:03,709 --> 00:20:05,702
And he was just shocked at what a

569
00:20:05,702 --> 00:20:07,856
good spotter it was. And, he ended up

570
00:20:07,856 --> 00:20:08,973
sending it to me because we were doing

571
00:20:08,973 --> 00:20:09,872
a rock like

572
00:20:10,424 --> 00:20:12,261
contest of some sort. We've always done these

573
00:20:12,261 --> 00:20:13,939
challenges in contests and everything.

574
00:20:14,498 --> 00:20:14,898
And,

575
00:20:15,537 --> 00:20:16,815
he sent it to me because I was

576
00:20:16,815 --> 00:20:18,588
gonna ship to the to the winner after

577
00:20:18,588 --> 00:20:19,947
the contest. And so I got to look

578
00:20:19,947 --> 00:20:22,184
through it too. And man, there was a

579
00:20:22,184 --> 00:20:24,662
a lot of performance in that scope. I

580
00:20:24,662 --> 00:20:26,795
think it was an endeavor, Vanguard endeavor

581
00:20:27,231 --> 00:20:30,964
Vanguard is is an advertiser now. And, I

582
00:20:30,964 --> 00:20:32,711
mostly just paid attention to their tripod pods,

583
00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:34,935
but don't ever overlook those guys for for

584
00:20:34,935 --> 00:20:37,175
glass. I remember I. They only... Let's think

585
00:20:37,175 --> 00:20:39,085
about that try... That spotter it was a

586
00:20:39,085 --> 00:20:42,528
little bit heavy. But, yeah, near alpha glass

587
00:20:42,744 --> 00:20:43,142
performance.

588
00:20:43,857 --> 00:20:46,336
I remember in the article there and it

589
00:20:46,336 --> 00:20:49,193
was compared to a swear a sw 65

590
00:20:49,193 --> 00:20:51,653
at the time. And he couldn't find a

591
00:20:51,653 --> 00:20:53,796
difference. And I just remember he was, like,

592
00:20:54,288 --> 00:20:55,959
you're gonna burn me. I'm gonna get on

593
00:20:55,959 --> 00:20:58,131
my flame suit, but but this

594
00:20:58,507 --> 00:21:01,133
spotter is awesome. So anyways, fun stuff on

595
00:21:01,133 --> 00:21:01,611
rock slide,

596
00:21:02,342 --> 00:21:04,726
let's jump into Hunt Big The today. We're

597
00:21:04,726 --> 00:21:05,919
not reading from my book,

598
00:21:06,634 --> 00:21:08,065
we're gonna read from somebody else's here in

599
00:21:08,065 --> 00:21:08,382
a minute.

600
00:21:09,177 --> 00:21:10,767
But before we get to that,

601
00:21:12,290 --> 00:21:14,194
just a few things I've been thinking about

602
00:21:14,194 --> 00:21:16,098
the last couple weeks as I've been scouting,

603
00:21:16,733 --> 00:21:18,954
and just things I thought I'd share with

604
00:21:18,954 --> 00:21:19,113
you.

605
00:21:20,004 --> 00:21:21,384
Scouting low density,

606
00:21:22,164 --> 00:21:24,325
deer areas. Now a lot of the places

607
00:21:24,404 --> 00:21:27,044
I go right now are formerly high density

608
00:21:27,044 --> 00:21:29,454
gear areas and they're just with these winters

609
00:21:29,454 --> 00:21:31,205
that we've had since 2016,

610
00:21:31,443 --> 00:21:34,945
they're low dear density areas, But this applies

611
00:21:34,945 --> 00:21:36,696
to places that just don't have very many

612
00:21:36,696 --> 00:21:36,776
deer.

613
00:21:38,144 --> 00:21:40,457
They just require more time. You gotta you

614
00:21:40,457 --> 00:21:41,733
gotta cover more country.

615
00:21:43,567 --> 00:21:45,721
You're you're gonna get sku a lot. It's

616
00:21:45,721 --> 00:21:47,556
just hard not to get discouraged.

617
00:21:48,049 --> 00:21:49,794
But I talked about tracking a few weeks

618
00:21:49,794 --> 00:21:51,699
ago. If you're seeing tracks and you're seeing

619
00:21:51,699 --> 00:21:52,017
sign,

620
00:21:52,651 --> 00:21:54,794
you know, maybe I'm scout in a a

621
00:21:54,794 --> 00:21:56,064
big mountain out in the middle of the

622
00:21:56,064 --> 00:21:57,588
desert, and You know, it goes up to

623
00:21:57,588 --> 00:21:59,338
8 or 9000 feet. You know what and

624
00:21:59,497 --> 00:22:01,485
I'm driving in, and I'm seeing does in

625
00:22:01,485 --> 00:22:03,234
the headlights and everything. I pay attention to

626
00:22:03,234 --> 00:22:05,461
all that stuff where there's where there's dough,

627
00:22:05,620 --> 00:22:06,177
there's bucks.

628
00:22:06,827 --> 00:22:08,734
And, you know, You always hear me talking

629
00:22:08,734 --> 00:22:10,560
about fawn on here. I get excited when

630
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,205
I see fonts because though those are all

631
00:22:13,340 --> 00:22:15,263
indications that the deer hurt is function. So

632
00:22:15,263 --> 00:22:16,856
unless the herd just getting, you know, way

633
00:22:16,856 --> 00:22:17,334
over hunted,

634
00:22:17,971 --> 00:22:18,949
too many roads,

635
00:22:19,325 --> 00:22:21,715
you know, whatever. I I know there's always

636
00:22:21,715 --> 00:22:23,308
gonna be a good buck around. It's just

637
00:22:23,308 --> 00:22:23,547
hard,

638
00:22:24,517 --> 00:22:26,026
when you're not seeing a lot of deer,

639
00:22:26,264 --> 00:22:27,875
you just gotta put in the time

640
00:22:28,249 --> 00:22:30,631
and just know that it could turn on

641
00:22:30,631 --> 00:22:32,059
a dime. You could just be in the

642
00:22:32,059 --> 00:22:33,354
right place 1 morning

643
00:22:33,981 --> 00:22:35,730
looking at a different hillside from a different

644
00:22:35,730 --> 00:22:36,048
angle.

645
00:22:36,763 --> 00:22:38,671
This morning, there was cloud cover. It seemed

646
00:22:38,671 --> 00:22:40,499
like the deer were out a little longer

647
00:22:40,499 --> 00:22:42,089
than they have been this big heat wave

648
00:22:42,089 --> 00:22:42,566
just broke.

649
00:22:43,617 --> 00:22:45,531
Just little things like that All sudden, there

650
00:22:45,531 --> 00:22:45,851
they are.

651
00:22:46,648 --> 00:22:48,084
But keep keep that in mind. It just

652
00:22:48,084 --> 00:22:50,477
takes more time. And the the good thing

653
00:22:50,556 --> 00:22:51,694
I can tell you about

654
00:22:52,072 --> 00:22:52,572
low

655
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:54,495
deer density areas

656
00:22:55,026 --> 00:22:57,883
is it's easy to move on. And what

657
00:22:57,962 --> 00:22:59,390
I mean by that is if I'm somewhere

658
00:22:59,390 --> 00:23:00,921
where I'm seeing a lot of deer

659
00:23:01,549 --> 00:23:03,467
it's it's it's hard to move on because

660
00:23:03,467 --> 00:23:04,986
you think you're missing some. You know, like,

661
00:23:05,066 --> 00:23:06,264
oh there's some bucks over there And, there's

662
00:23:06,264 --> 00:23:08,502
a buck down there. And, you know, after

663
00:23:08,502 --> 00:23:10,180
a while, you're kinda looking at the same

664
00:23:10,180 --> 00:23:11,954
bucks and You think you've seen them all,

665
00:23:12,115 --> 00:23:13,474
but it it's just a little bit harder

666
00:23:13,474 --> 00:23:15,154
to leave where, you know, if I've glass

667
00:23:15,154 --> 00:23:16,835
to spot all morning and haven't seen anything.

668
00:23:16,994 --> 00:23:19,245
It's, you know, maybe a glass an hour.

669
00:23:19,404 --> 00:23:21,155
I know it's still cool enough on the

670
00:23:21,155 --> 00:23:22,906
northwest sides of the mountains that if I

671
00:23:22,906 --> 00:23:25,135
hurry up and change angles get to a

672
00:23:25,135 --> 00:23:25,692
different place,

673
00:23:26,503 --> 00:23:28,568
I have another chance to fight some dare.

674
00:23:28,965 --> 00:23:30,554
It's easier to move on when I'm not

675
00:23:30,554 --> 00:23:31,665
seeing Dare is what I'm saying.

676
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677
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Their thing too is remember, and this doesn't

697
00:24:28,002 --> 00:24:29,758
matter if it's load your densities cities or

698
00:24:29,758 --> 00:24:32,632
not. But when the the bucks are are

699
00:24:32,632 --> 00:24:34,883
batch up now. Almost all the books I'm

700
00:24:34,883 --> 00:24:37,700
seeing are, you know, in groups of 3

701
00:24:38,158 --> 00:24:39,756
Man Saw group of bucks in there day

702
00:24:39,756 --> 00:24:40,475
like 9 bucks.

703
00:24:41,128 --> 00:24:43,036
And that was in an area that hasn't

704
00:24:43,036 --> 00:24:44,626
got hits quite so hard with the winter.

705
00:24:45,103 --> 00:24:47,829
But the... They're all batch up now. So

706
00:24:47,965 --> 00:24:49,793
what happens if you think about it when...

707
00:24:50,524 --> 00:24:51,502
When you're scouting

708
00:24:52,275 --> 00:24:55,300
bachelor herd of bucks is there's gonna be

709
00:24:55,300 --> 00:24:57,529
a lot of empty country because all the

710
00:24:57,529 --> 00:24:58,165
books are together.

711
00:24:59,536 --> 00:25:01,611
Compared to, like, say, October when they break

712
00:25:01,611 --> 00:25:02,967
up. And you know, you go into this

713
00:25:02,967 --> 00:25:04,562
straw, okay, There's a 2 point of 3

714
00:25:04,562 --> 00:25:05,041
point there.

715
00:25:05,694 --> 00:25:06,973
You know, you move up on this little

716
00:25:07,133 --> 00:25:08,891
Mesa. Oh, there's a buck right over there.

717
00:25:09,210 --> 00:25:11,528
You know, they're just more spread out where

718
00:25:11,528 --> 00:25:12,807
you can go to that same place now.

719
00:25:13,046 --> 00:25:14,565
And it's like, man, there's no deer. I'm

720
00:25:14,565 --> 00:25:16,338
not, see in any bucks. Why am I

721
00:25:16,338 --> 00:25:17,217
not seeing any bucks?

722
00:25:17,856 --> 00:25:18,895
And then all of a sudden, you look

723
00:25:18,895 --> 00:25:20,653
in the right draw and there's 11 of

724
00:25:20,653 --> 00:25:20,733
them.

725
00:25:21,532 --> 00:25:23,290
So you gotta remember there can be a

726
00:25:23,290 --> 00:25:25,139
lot of con free without deer and it

727
00:25:25,139 --> 00:25:26,333
when they're batch up like this.

728
00:25:27,846 --> 00:25:29,858
Let's see. 1 1 place I was scout

729
00:25:30,553 --> 00:25:33,594
yesterday. I mentioned that, free motorbike ride. 15

730
00:25:33,594 --> 00:25:35,428
miles back in on a motorbike. Yeah. You

731
00:25:35,428 --> 00:25:37,181
could get a truck in there, but, just

732
00:25:37,181 --> 00:25:39,413
beat it at death, especially. I I after

733
00:25:39,413 --> 00:25:41,345
a 3 quarter tank truck, I pull horse.

734
00:25:41,505 --> 00:25:43,424
So I I can't run a a light

735
00:25:43,424 --> 00:25:44,704
duty pickup that rides nice.

736
00:25:45,585 --> 00:25:47,424
I meant being all you guys with Toyota

737
00:25:47,585 --> 00:25:49,125
Tacoma. Was a ford f 1 fifties

738
00:25:49,439 --> 00:25:52,552
But anyways, it's 15 miles back in Rough

739
00:25:52,632 --> 00:25:54,250
Mountain Road. But

740
00:25:54,867 --> 00:25:56,804
once you get up on top, it's

741
00:25:57,182 --> 00:25:58,060
big flat,

742
00:25:58,793 --> 00:25:59,271
Mace.

743
00:25:59,669 --> 00:26:00,169
Yeah

744
00:26:01,900 --> 00:26:02,935
you see a lot of this in, you

745
00:26:02,935 --> 00:26:06,281
know, Southern Utah, Colorado, but various other places

746
00:26:06,281 --> 00:26:07,817
too. They're just more

747
00:26:08,130 --> 00:26:10,369
numerous in in on the Colorado plateau.

748
00:26:10,929 --> 00:26:13,809
But what I've learned about flat top mountains.

749
00:26:14,450 --> 00:26:16,289
If there's feed on top of them,

750
00:26:17,984 --> 00:26:18,705
Good deer feed.

751
00:26:19,664 --> 00:26:22,225
The deer will be up there, but they

752
00:26:22,225 --> 00:26:25,039
feel really vulnerable in that flat stuff. Like,

753
00:26:25,199 --> 00:26:27,297
you're only gonna catch them out there,

754
00:26:27,756 --> 00:26:30,153
you know, till about sunrise, and then they're

755
00:26:30,153 --> 00:26:31,512
gonna be moving to the edges.

756
00:26:32,311 --> 00:26:32,811
And

757
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,295
I didn't use to understand that. And so

758
00:26:37,912 --> 00:26:40,305
I remember I had a a tag in

759
00:26:40,464 --> 00:26:42,299
Southern Utah. Oh, this is back in the

760
00:26:42,299 --> 00:26:43,336
nineties. It a good unit.

761
00:26:44,067 --> 00:26:46,690
And it was just 1 great, big, flat

762
00:26:46,690 --> 00:26:48,064
top mountain with

763
00:26:48,677 --> 00:26:51,085
breaks off of each side of it. And

764
00:26:51,554 --> 00:26:53,467
I was hunting in early October.

765
00:26:54,185 --> 00:26:55,961
And I I

766
00:26:56,577 --> 00:26:57,933
get get up on the mountain, There's all

767
00:26:57,933 --> 00:26:59,527
this deer sign and everything, but it was

768
00:26:59,527 --> 00:27:00,085
all old.

769
00:27:00,817 --> 00:27:02,567
And I was only seeing, like, young bucks

770
00:27:02,567 --> 00:27:03,999
and nose up on top.

771
00:27:04,715 --> 00:27:05,828
And it took me a couple of days

772
00:27:05,828 --> 00:27:07,394
to figure out they were they were just

773
00:27:07,594 --> 00:27:09,821
off the edges, just down in these draws.

774
00:27:10,378 --> 00:27:12,050
And even though I didn't end up killing

775
00:27:12,050 --> 00:27:13,482
a buck. I got on a really good

776
00:27:13,482 --> 00:27:15,648
buck that hunter remember I was I stayed

777
00:27:15,648 --> 00:27:17,164
the whole rifle season. It was, like, 8

778
00:27:17,164 --> 00:27:19,398
days long, and got into a, like, a

779
00:27:19,398 --> 00:27:22,192
30, and he was living off off the

780
00:27:22,192 --> 00:27:24,989
side of of a big flat mesa down

781
00:27:24,989 --> 00:27:26,734
down in these draws. And I just didn't

782
00:27:26,734 --> 00:27:27,924
get a shot at him. I got a

783
00:27:27,924 --> 00:27:29,988
good look at him, but he was gone

784
00:27:29,988 --> 00:27:32,234
before I shoot. But I remember thinking why

785
00:27:32,393 --> 00:27:33,909
I wasted, like, 3 or 4 days hunting

786
00:27:33,909 --> 00:27:34,467
on top.

787
00:27:35,185 --> 00:27:35,685
And

788
00:27:36,302 --> 00:27:38,455
and and the deer, you know, the respectable

789
00:27:38,455 --> 00:27:40,345
deer had just moved off the top. But

790
00:27:41,025 --> 00:27:41,845
in the summertime,

791
00:27:42,625 --> 00:27:44,804
you can catch them up there. But

792
00:27:45,184 --> 00:27:47,505
if you don't see them, you know, even

793
00:27:47,505 --> 00:27:49,265
if it's, like 20 minutes after sunrise,

794
00:27:50,478 --> 00:27:52,633
they've just moved off the top or you

795
00:27:52,633 --> 00:27:55,186
just gotta move further down the mountain, further

796
00:27:55,186 --> 00:27:57,102
down the Mason and look at different draws

797
00:27:57,102 --> 00:27:59,586
and everything. They they feel really vulnerable out

798
00:27:59,586 --> 00:28:01,813
there is my point. But in in the

799
00:28:01,813 --> 00:28:03,722
summer when the feed is green and they're

800
00:28:04,279 --> 00:28:04,836
in velvet.

801
00:28:05,489 --> 00:28:07,883
They love those big flat top mountains. I

802
00:28:07,883 --> 00:28:10,197
have seen that in virtually, every Western state

803
00:28:10,197 --> 00:28:11,794
that I've on it in on these big

804
00:28:11,794 --> 00:28:14,444
flat top mountains and Mesa and everything. So

805
00:28:14,444 --> 00:28:16,524
so don't don't ignore them. If you're not

806
00:28:16,524 --> 00:28:18,764
finding deer, just just start looking around the.

807
00:28:18,924 --> 00:28:21,085
And again, they don't dive off a thousand

808
00:28:21,085 --> 00:28:22,538
feet off with these things, At least not

809
00:28:22,538 --> 00:28:24,075
this time here. You know, they're usually

810
00:28:24,453 --> 00:28:26,368
within a hundred yards at the top, I

811
00:28:26,368 --> 00:28:26,608
find.

812
00:28:28,603 --> 00:28:31,192
1 of the thing is things if it's

813
00:28:31,648 --> 00:28:33,799
gentle country though, so, like, let's just say

814
00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:35,313
it's... And this could apply at any mountain.

815
00:28:35,552 --> 00:28:36,747
But let's just say it's be flat top

816
00:28:36,747 --> 00:28:39,296
mountain, and it's just kinda rolling on top.

817
00:28:40,028 --> 00:28:42,503
And then it's... It it doesn't really break

818
00:28:42,503 --> 00:28:45,159
into the edges It's just the edges rounded.

819
00:28:46,096 --> 00:28:48,592
And it doesn't really get into any cliff

820
00:28:48,651 --> 00:28:50,812
or... You know, ribbon cliffs or in rock

821
00:28:50,812 --> 00:28:51,471
or anything.

822
00:28:52,082 --> 00:28:53,908
Might be a few bucks around there, but

823
00:28:53,988 --> 00:28:55,814
I displace I was I was going on

824
00:28:55,814 --> 00:28:57,163
the motor motorbike. That's what I found.

825
00:28:59,007 --> 00:29:00,624
About it in in a couple of mornings

826
00:29:00,762 --> 00:29:03,155
is the the bucks, they just like the

827
00:29:03,155 --> 00:29:05,468
rev country. And and the they they are

828
00:29:05,468 --> 00:29:07,382
up on top during the night and right

829
00:29:07,382 --> 00:29:09,385
at the first first light of the morning,

830
00:29:10,020 --> 00:29:12,955
but, they're moving off into this rough country.

831
00:29:13,193 --> 00:29:14,700
But if it was just smooth off of

832
00:29:14,700 --> 00:29:15,176
these rims,

833
00:29:16,149 --> 00:29:19,185
dose fawn or or nothing. But if if

834
00:29:19,185 --> 00:29:20,704
it was a little bit rocky a little

835
00:29:20,704 --> 00:29:21,423
bit cliff,

836
00:29:21,903 --> 00:29:23,580
then that seemed to be where I was

837
00:29:23,580 --> 00:29:24,220
seeing in the bucks.

838
00:29:25,911 --> 00:29:28,144
So keep that in mind. There's there's your

839
00:29:28,144 --> 00:29:31,095
mule scout and tips. I mentioned book review.

840
00:29:31,494 --> 00:29:33,169
I've done a ton of book reviews on

841
00:29:33,169 --> 00:29:34,779
rock slide. On on 1 I used out

842
00:29:34,779 --> 00:29:37,092
the blog, and that the blog has turned

843
00:29:37,092 --> 00:29:39,187
into the to the podcast. So

844
00:29:40,362 --> 00:29:41,718
I I... I'm a big reader.

845
00:29:42,356 --> 00:29:44,031
Well, I'm a big meal reader put it

846
00:29:44,031 --> 00:29:45,477
that way. I don't I don't read a

847
00:29:45,477 --> 00:29:48,333
bunch of other books. But reading just... It

848
00:29:48,333 --> 00:29:50,634
engages your brain. I think differently than Youtube

849
00:29:50,634 --> 00:29:52,617
or Instagram or podcast podcasts or anything.

850
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:54,950
And I don't know. 6 with me better.

851
00:29:55,109 --> 00:29:56,950
It's probably why I write books too. But,

852
00:29:57,589 --> 00:29:59,349
a book that I had read a long

853
00:29:59,349 --> 00:30:00,960
time ago. This is kind of the 1

854
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,896
that got everybody started on Bowl hunting mule

855
00:30:03,896 --> 00:30:06,832
air was dwight shoes, hunting open country mule

856
00:30:06,832 --> 00:30:06,912
air.

857
00:30:08,102 --> 00:30:09,029
I read that

858
00:30:09,706 --> 00:30:11,001
I think it was about

859
00:30:11,456 --> 00:30:13,047
90, 91

860
00:30:13,047 --> 00:30:15,593
right around in there. And by 93, I

861
00:30:15,593 --> 00:30:17,765
was bo. Mule air. I mean, it... It's

862
00:30:17,765 --> 00:30:19,285
the book that lit my fire.

863
00:30:19,924 --> 00:30:20,325
And,

864
00:30:20,884 --> 00:30:22,904
I borrowed it from a friend, and

865
00:30:23,445 --> 00:30:24,644
I had it for a long time. I

866
00:30:24,644 --> 00:30:26,336
remember he was always bugging to get it

867
00:30:26,336 --> 00:30:28,244
back. And, you know, there was no Amazon

868
00:30:28,244 --> 00:30:29,675
then. You didn't just go order a book.

869
00:30:29,834 --> 00:30:31,583
You know, your books were cherished.

870
00:30:32,139 --> 00:30:33,570
And I finally give it back to him.

871
00:30:33,903 --> 00:30:34,936
Nick, if you're out there, you know what

872
00:30:35,016 --> 00:30:35,970
I'm talking about. Sorry, man.

873
00:30:36,923 --> 00:30:38,592
That's what you get for Linda and Book.

874
00:30:39,069 --> 00:30:41,079
But anyways, that book

875
00:30:41,629 --> 00:30:44,340
was the... I read articles and stuff before

876
00:30:44,340 --> 00:30:46,095
that on Ge bo Hunting mule,

877
00:30:46,813 --> 00:30:49,365
but they were just articles. This was an

878
00:30:49,365 --> 00:30:50,982
entire book on

879
00:30:52,412 --> 00:30:56,244
stocking mule. Not necessarily big mule there. Although

880
00:30:56,244 --> 00:30:58,320
there are some in there, but the whole

881
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,715
art and science of stocking Mule is really

882
00:31:00,715 --> 00:31:03,271
what was. And and for years in my

883
00:31:03,271 --> 00:31:05,017
mind, I just only thought of that book

884
00:31:05,017 --> 00:31:06,843
as as an archer book. If you'd had

885
00:31:06,843 --> 00:31:09,066
asked me the title of it a couple

886
00:31:09,066 --> 00:31:11,232
weeks ago, I would've have said, oh, Archer

887
00:31:11,232 --> 00:31:13,549
hunting open country mule, but that's not what

888
00:31:13,549 --> 00:31:16,026
it's called. It's haunting open country mule there

889
00:31:16,026 --> 00:31:17,085
and I forgotten

890
00:31:17,399 --> 00:31:19,494
you know, it basically covers everything

891
00:31:19,871 --> 00:31:22,583
about about glass and finding deer in the

892
00:31:22,583 --> 00:31:25,375
open country and stalking them, But it's heavily

893
00:31:25,375 --> 00:31:27,071
archer because Dwight shoe

894
00:31:27,942 --> 00:31:30,096
was was 1... Really 1 of our best

895
00:31:30,096 --> 00:31:31,691
owners are our best writers that are out

896
00:31:31,691 --> 00:31:33,126
there. For you guys that are too young

897
00:31:33,126 --> 00:31:35,519
knowing him. We lost him in 2019

898
00:31:35,519 --> 00:31:36,077
to cancer,

899
00:31:36,556 --> 00:31:37,089
he was

900
00:31:37,608 --> 00:31:38,427
good buddies

901
00:31:39,761 --> 00:31:41,277
with a lot of a lot of the

902
00:31:41,356 --> 00:31:43,372
Who's who in the Bo hunting world. But

903
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:45,184
but do dwight... He was from Oregon, just

904
00:31:45,184 --> 00:31:47,273
to dyed in the louisville bowl hundred down

905
00:31:47,273 --> 00:31:48,151
to Earth guy,

906
00:31:49,267 --> 00:31:51,261
just just a joy to read a good

907
00:31:51,261 --> 00:31:52,319
writer, just

908
00:31:52,697 --> 00:31:55,488
a real practical writer, kind of a dry

909
00:31:55,488 --> 00:31:56,206
sense humor.

910
00:31:57,098 --> 00:31:58,450
I always found very entertaining.

911
00:31:59,087 --> 00:32:01,394
But, when Nick lent me that book, you

912
00:32:01,394 --> 00:32:03,382
know, prior to that, it was like, yeah,

913
00:32:03,621 --> 00:32:04,973
you might be able to get a deer

914
00:32:04,973 --> 00:32:07,140
with a bow, but it it... You know,

915
00:32:07,299 --> 00:32:09,931
it you're you're gonna ambush him. Somebody's gonna

916
00:32:09,931 --> 00:32:12,404
push him to you, you know, you're gonna

917
00:32:12,404 --> 00:32:14,079
you're gonna see a buck out on a

918
00:32:14,079 --> 00:32:15,376
little flat and

919
00:32:15,928 --> 00:32:17,920
5 year buddies are gonna surround even kinda

920
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,594
close in on. Maybe somebody will get a

921
00:32:19,594 --> 00:32:22,224
shot. That's how we we we thought about

922
00:32:22,224 --> 00:32:24,784
hunting the older air. And god forbid riding

923
00:32:24,784 --> 00:32:25,895
around in the back of the truck, you

924
00:32:25,895 --> 00:32:27,006
know, jumping off tailgate,

925
00:32:27,561 --> 00:32:29,148
and fling in arrows it those, You know?

926
00:32:29,624 --> 00:32:30,417
I mean that that was...

927
00:32:31,069 --> 00:32:33,227
That was Bow hunting meal. But when I

928
00:32:33,227 --> 00:32:35,784
read this book, that was the first time

929
00:32:35,944 --> 00:32:37,941
I really thought, wow, you could do this.

930
00:32:38,181 --> 00:32:39,060
You could actually...

931
00:32:39,714 --> 00:32:41,865
Kill a buck with a bow and even

932
00:32:41,865 --> 00:32:42,422
a big buck.

933
00:32:43,139 --> 00:32:43,639
And

934
00:32:44,254 --> 00:32:45,768
so I filed that away in my mind

935
00:32:45,768 --> 00:32:48,020
over the years, and I've

936
00:32:49,210 --> 00:32:50,570
tried many of the things that were in

937
00:32:50,570 --> 00:32:52,250
there. I've killed 3 big meal with my

938
00:32:52,250 --> 00:32:52,490
bow,

939
00:32:53,369 --> 00:32:54,190
all of them

940
00:32:54,490 --> 00:32:56,330
related to tactics that I learned in here.

941
00:32:56,743 --> 00:32:58,256
But I hadn't read the book and what,

942
00:32:58,335 --> 00:32:58,972
like 30 years.

943
00:32:59,688 --> 00:33:01,439
And I saw it on Amazon a couple

944
00:33:01,439 --> 00:33:03,031
months ago, and I thought, you know, I'm

945
00:33:03,031 --> 00:33:03,986
taking my kids to...

946
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:07,337
I had my twins graduate this year. They're

947
00:33:07,337 --> 00:33:07,734
seniors,

948
00:33:08,211 --> 00:33:09,799
and my wife and I took them to

949
00:33:09,879 --> 00:33:11,308
Mexico. And I thought, you, I'm gonna be

950
00:33:11,308 --> 00:33:12,182
down there for a week.

951
00:33:12,754 --> 00:33:14,271
I'm gonna read so I got that book,

952
00:33:14,431 --> 00:33:16,107
and I took it with me. This 1

953
00:33:16,107 --> 00:33:17,885
and 1 other 1. And

954
00:33:18,582 --> 00:33:20,339
I just kinda thought, I'll probably kinda skim

955
00:33:20,339 --> 00:33:22,036
over it I've read it before

956
00:33:22,509 --> 00:33:24,024
you know, look at the meat and potatoes

957
00:33:24,024 --> 00:33:25,778
of it, You know, just walk down memory

958
00:33:25,778 --> 00:33:27,932
lane. Oh, no. No. No. No. I read

959
00:33:27,932 --> 00:33:29,447
the whole thing cover to cover.

960
00:33:30,563 --> 00:33:31,440
In like, 3 days.

961
00:33:32,567 --> 00:33:34,314
Loved it as soon as I got back

962
00:33:34,314 --> 00:33:35,901
into it or remembered what a good book

963
00:33:35,901 --> 00:33:37,989
it was. Now some of it's just

964
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,132
nostalgia. It's just

965
00:33:41,397 --> 00:33:43,790
a walk back down memory lane of how

966
00:33:43,790 --> 00:33:45,465
they used to do things. And I'm talking

967
00:33:45,465 --> 00:33:46,980
about the equipment, the gear,

968
00:33:47,539 --> 00:33:49,852
the trucks, I mean, how they thought about

969
00:33:49,852 --> 00:33:52,195
mule deer, you know, some of that stuff's

970
00:33:52,488 --> 00:33:56,059
pretty out outdated now. But when I got

971
00:33:56,059 --> 00:33:57,566
into the part that I'm gonna review today,

972
00:33:57,804 --> 00:34:00,833
basically, the the the the the planning of

973
00:34:00,833 --> 00:34:03,924
the stock, the stock, the shot, after the

974
00:34:03,924 --> 00:34:04,241
shot,

975
00:34:05,034 --> 00:34:06,540
that stuff is timeless.

976
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:08,381
Absolutely timeless.

977
00:34:08,936 --> 00:34:11,182
And I hope you'll consider

978
00:34:11,635 --> 00:34:14,096
reading this book before our tree seasons.

979
00:34:14,587 --> 00:34:16,676
I am so glad that I did

980
00:34:17,129 --> 00:34:18,956
because, you know, all the stuff I learned

981
00:34:18,956 --> 00:34:20,703
in a 30 years ago, You know, you

982
00:34:20,703 --> 00:34:22,292
put that stuff in your brain, it gets

983
00:34:22,292 --> 00:34:23,802
mixed with other things over the years.

984
00:34:24,614 --> 00:34:27,191
You know, it... You're not even really sure

985
00:34:27,970 --> 00:34:30,127
what you learned. You just know what's in

986
00:34:30,127 --> 00:34:31,885
there. You don't know who it came from.

987
00:34:32,219 --> 00:34:33,974
You know, except other bow hunters too. But

988
00:34:33,974 --> 00:34:35,411
1 once I got back in here, I

989
00:34:35,411 --> 00:34:37,027
was like, oh, this is such

990
00:34:37,565 --> 00:34:38,065
classic

991
00:34:38,442 --> 00:34:40,687
bow hunting, And even though a lot of

992
00:34:40,687 --> 00:34:42,596
the gear and everything like that. I mean,

993
00:34:42,676 --> 00:34:44,767
you'll laugh looking at their bows and

994
00:34:45,699 --> 00:34:47,710
Larry D Jones. Is in the book too,

995
00:34:48,110 --> 00:34:49,469
big time Bow hunter. He's still with us.

996
00:34:49,630 --> 00:34:51,230
He was, wanted to dwight good friends.

997
00:34:52,910 --> 00:34:54,030
He just did a Bow hunt.

998
00:34:54,603 --> 00:34:56,677
With the guy at Stalker stick both South

999
00:34:56,836 --> 00:34:57,076
Cox.

1000
00:34:57,794 --> 00:35:00,426
Go watch that film on Youtube. It came

1001
00:35:00,426 --> 00:35:02,340
out like 4 or 5 years ago. I

1002
00:35:02,340 --> 00:35:05,385
never for whatever reason. I missed it. I

1003
00:35:05,385 --> 00:35:06,741
just... I knew it was out there I

1004
00:35:06,741 --> 00:35:08,336
thinking. And I gotta watch it. While I

1005
00:35:08,336 --> 00:35:10,090
watched it while I was in Mexico because

1006
00:35:10,250 --> 00:35:11,446
I had time, and all it was good.

1007
00:35:11,605 --> 00:35:13,200
So it was great See Larry Jones.

1008
00:35:13,853 --> 00:35:15,289
He was an open country mule dear guy.

1009
00:35:15,449 --> 00:35:17,522
That's how him It got together. And

1010
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:19,835
you know, South has kinda picked that stuff

1011
00:35:19,835 --> 00:35:20,633
up too.

1012
00:35:21,351 --> 00:35:22,946
So anyways, I'm kinda going on and on,

1013
00:35:23,106 --> 00:35:23,400
but

1014
00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:26,636
The this book is what spawned all that.

1015
00:35:27,275 --> 00:35:27,775
And

1016
00:35:28,633 --> 00:35:30,951
it's it's still timeless, and I think it

1017
00:35:30,951 --> 00:35:33,043
it's worth your read. So I'm gonna give

1018
00:35:33,043 --> 00:35:34,882
you some of the high points from from

1019
00:35:34,882 --> 00:35:35,281
the book.

1020
00:35:38,957 --> 00:35:41,768
Once you get into... About page fifth, is

1021
00:35:41,768 --> 00:35:43,682
where you get into the stuff that's timeless.

1022
00:35:43,841 --> 00:35:45,276
You know, before that, it's you know, it's

1023
00:35:45,276 --> 00:35:46,711
a lot of history and and, you know,

1024
00:35:47,110 --> 00:35:48,864
how how he got into bo hunting, all

1025
00:35:48,864 --> 00:35:51,110
his failures and the you know, all all

1026
00:35:51,110 --> 00:35:52,385
the all the all the things that are,

1027
00:35:52,544 --> 00:35:54,615
like I said just kinda nostalgic. But once

1028
00:35:54,615 --> 00:35:56,048
you get to about page 50, get into

1029
00:35:56,048 --> 00:35:57,402
the chapter called spotting.

1030
00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:58,540
And,

1031
00:35:59,568 --> 00:36:01,319
you know, not now we would probably call

1032
00:36:01,319 --> 00:36:04,104
that chapter glass. But, you know, spotting... It...

1033
00:36:04,343 --> 00:36:05,935
That was kind of revolutionary back then.

1034
00:36:07,208 --> 00:36:08,663
Were around, but they were

1035
00:36:09,133 --> 00:36:11,147
pretty much military guys had bin.

1036
00:36:11,762 --> 00:36:13,594
You know, a few guys had a spotting

1037
00:36:13,594 --> 00:36:15,847
scope. They're just... Was not mainstream.

1038
00:36:16,158 --> 00:36:17,350
I mean, I remember my dad and locals

1039
00:36:17,350 --> 00:36:18,327
uncles have bin,

1040
00:36:18,701 --> 00:36:20,925
but they weren't very good. They they didn't

1041
00:36:20,925 --> 00:36:22,276
even carry them anywhere on their necks. They

1042
00:36:22,276 --> 00:36:23,865
were, like, in the truck, You know, we'd

1043
00:36:23,865 --> 00:36:26,212
stop and ma'am everybody would share the

1044
00:36:26,589 --> 00:36:27,945
and, you know, looking off the point and

1045
00:36:27,945 --> 00:36:30,896
stuff like that, where 1... I got into

1046
00:36:30,896 --> 00:36:32,970
this chapter, you know, 30 years ago. It

1047
00:36:32,970 --> 00:36:34,507
it's really the first time

1048
00:36:35,057 --> 00:36:37,603
besides maybe Kurt Garner book. But I I

1049
00:36:37,603 --> 00:36:40,387
think Dwight shoe went into stocking and spotting

1050
00:36:40,387 --> 00:36:41,580
even more than Curt Darn head.

1051
00:36:42,393 --> 00:36:43,830
It was the first time it was, like,

1052
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:45,985
wow, this is a this is a whole

1053
00:36:45,985 --> 00:36:48,161
world. This is a whole technique here

1054
00:36:48,619 --> 00:36:51,344
with many, many layers. And so he starred

1055
00:36:51,344 --> 00:36:52,138
in that chapter,

1056
00:36:52,614 --> 00:36:53,408
called spotting.

1057
00:36:53,963 --> 00:36:55,551
And, yeah know, Guy again, some of it's

1058
00:36:55,551 --> 00:36:58,012
gonna be bay basic, but he talks about...

1059
00:36:58,664 --> 00:37:00,981
What makes a good glass is knowing where

1060
00:37:00,981 --> 00:37:02,899
to glass. And I always forget this. We

1061
00:37:02,899 --> 00:37:04,977
always think of a good glass, a guy

1062
00:37:04,977 --> 00:37:06,335
with, you know, awesome.

1063
00:37:07,625 --> 00:37:10,193
Peeps. Awesome eyesight. You know, You could see

1064
00:37:10,409 --> 00:37:12,318
see a nat on a on an ant

1065
00:37:12,318 --> 00:37:13,670
at a mile. You know, that's what we

1066
00:37:13,670 --> 00:37:15,474
think is a good glass. And while that

1067
00:37:15,755 --> 00:37:16,633
certainly helps.

1068
00:37:17,432 --> 00:37:19,510
That's not the only thing that makes a

1069
00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:22,966
good glass. A good glass is knowing where

1070
00:37:23,106 --> 00:37:23,745
to look.

1071
00:37:24,318 --> 00:37:25,433
Okay? So

1072
00:37:25,832 --> 00:37:27,585
I was getting re record this podcast today.

1073
00:37:27,824 --> 00:37:29,598
I pulled up a video from the weekend

1074
00:37:30,134 --> 00:37:31,409
that I shot of,

1075
00:37:32,285 --> 00:37:33,081
a really...

1076
00:37:33,815 --> 00:37:34,315
Buck

1077
00:37:34,934 --> 00:37:35,835
bedding area

1078
00:37:36,215 --> 00:37:38,695
on a northwest slope or I just... Even

1079
00:37:38,695 --> 00:37:40,614
though Didn't see any bucks there. I could

1080
00:37:40,614 --> 00:37:42,066
see beds under,

1081
00:37:42,623 --> 00:37:44,452
in the shade. I I just... And it's

1082
00:37:44,452 --> 00:37:46,282
a brand new place. I've never been there

1083
00:37:46,282 --> 00:37:48,452
before. First time, Ever laid glass on that

1084
00:37:48,827 --> 00:37:50,432
hillside, and I was like, oh, man, that

1085
00:37:50,432 --> 00:37:52,183
is so buck right there. I guarantee if

1086
00:37:52,263 --> 00:37:53,695
I spend a few days there. I'll see

1087
00:37:53,695 --> 00:37:56,322
see bucks betting there. Well, that's kinda what

1088
00:37:56,322 --> 00:37:58,072
he he starts talking about in this book

1089
00:37:58,072 --> 00:38:00,876
is knowing where to look is half the

1090
00:38:00,876 --> 00:38:03,029
game. And and that's why I don't always

1091
00:38:03,029 --> 00:38:06,081
agree with just g when you're glass because

1092
00:38:06,140 --> 00:38:09,091
grit assumes that all deer country is equal.

1093
00:38:09,744 --> 00:38:10,700
And it's not.

1094
00:38:11,416 --> 00:38:13,828
Now, you know, maybe you found a particular

1095
00:38:13,965 --> 00:38:16,832
hillside. This got, you know, bedding cover all

1096
00:38:16,832 --> 00:38:18,266
over it in feeding areas,

1097
00:38:18,759 --> 00:38:20,273
all over it. Okay. Yeah, that that would

1098
00:38:20,273 --> 00:38:21,469
make sense to grid. And I'm not saying

1099
00:38:21,548 --> 00:38:23,620
I never grid, But I don't just go

1100
00:38:23,620 --> 00:38:25,055
out and grid. I go out and look

1101
00:38:25,055 --> 00:38:26,192
for features

1102
00:38:26,584 --> 00:38:28,181
and places that

1103
00:38:29,139 --> 00:38:31,693
that attract books. And so that video I

1104
00:38:31,693 --> 00:38:33,530
was talking about. It's on my Instagram page.

1105
00:38:33,689 --> 00:38:34,727
I didn't put it on the rock slide

1106
00:38:34,727 --> 00:38:36,418
page. I put it on the Instagram Robbie

1107
00:38:36,418 --> 00:38:38,174
getting a instagram page because Rock lite was

1108
00:38:38,174 --> 00:38:39,610
busy today. We had some else going on

1109
00:38:39,610 --> 00:38:39,850
on there.

1110
00:38:40,887 --> 00:38:41,286
And

1111
00:38:41,845 --> 00:38:44,135
so you'll see it should be what

1112
00:38:44,573 --> 00:38:47,361
July fifteenth, I think is the date. And

1113
00:38:47,361 --> 00:38:50,490
so be a good glass is finding places

1114
00:38:50,548 --> 00:38:52,554
like that. Just just being able to look

1115
00:38:52,554 --> 00:38:54,701
at places like that. Know that, hey, I

1116
00:38:54,701 --> 00:38:56,292
got this big giant mountains outside. And, yeah,

1117
00:38:56,452 --> 00:38:58,122
I should look at the whole thing, but

1118
00:38:58,281 --> 00:39:00,603
I really need to pay particular attention. Into

1119
00:39:00,603 --> 00:39:02,358
that place, especially as the sun comes around

1120
00:39:02,358 --> 00:39:04,751
the mountain shadows changed or get up and

1121
00:39:04,751 --> 00:39:06,426
move stuff like that. So do dwight it

1122
00:39:06,426 --> 00:39:08,739
goes into that in in that spotting chapter.

1123
00:39:08,899 --> 00:39:10,827
He also goes into what's called the pocket

1124
00:39:10,827 --> 00:39:11,305
principal.

1125
00:39:11,703 --> 00:39:12,841
The pocket principle,

1126
00:39:13,456 --> 00:39:16,881
this is something that III was doing for

1127
00:39:16,881 --> 00:39:19,032
years and not really realizing it,

1128
00:39:19,765 --> 00:39:22,244
and I kinda grown as a deer hunter.

1129
00:39:22,565 --> 00:39:23,305
And then

1130
00:39:24,005 --> 00:39:25,605
when I would talk to guys that weren't

1131
00:39:25,605 --> 00:39:27,845
thinking this way, I realized that... Yeah. I

1132
00:39:27,845 --> 00:39:29,139
kinda use think that way too. This is

1133
00:39:29,139 --> 00:39:31,456
what I'm talking. Mule deer typically live in

1134
00:39:31,456 --> 00:39:34,993
pockets. K? Talked about low density deer areas

1135
00:39:35,372 --> 00:39:36,411
earlier in this episode.

1136
00:39:38,023 --> 00:39:40,495
That's what makes it frustrating is there's not

1137
00:39:40,495 --> 00:39:42,888
very many u deer, and so there can

1138
00:39:42,888 --> 00:39:44,403
be a whole bunch of pockets that might

1139
00:39:44,403 --> 00:39:46,398
look bucky, but they don't heart... There's not

1140
00:39:46,398 --> 00:39:48,648
enough deer to fill them all. K? But

1141
00:39:48,648 --> 00:39:51,206
the principle of pockets is still the same

1142
00:39:51,206 --> 00:39:52,804
even in high density deer areas.

1143
00:39:53,443 --> 00:39:56,421
Deer seek out smaller areas.

1144
00:39:57,134 --> 00:39:57,634
In

1145
00:39:58,171 --> 00:40:00,563
the... In in their habitat then say Elk.

1146
00:40:01,121 --> 00:40:03,833
Okay? Deer are real picky about where they

1147
00:40:03,833 --> 00:40:05,429
wanna go and when Say, dear, I should

1148
00:40:05,588 --> 00:40:07,039
I should really focus on Buck. I mean,

1149
00:40:07,279 --> 00:40:10,236
deer in general, but definitely Bucks talked about

1150
00:40:10,236 --> 00:40:12,633
earlier, you know, the rough country, the the

1151
00:40:12,633 --> 00:40:13,672
the broken country.

1152
00:40:14,472 --> 00:40:16,962
And it's not all created equal. Because and

1153
00:40:16,962 --> 00:40:18,578
and and deer know

1154
00:40:19,353 --> 00:40:21,425
what country has the right thermals, the right

1155
00:40:21,425 --> 00:40:23,657
the right feed or the right distance to

1156
00:40:23,657 --> 00:40:24,056
feed,

1157
00:40:25,105 --> 00:40:27,570
the the sun, especially early in the year

1158
00:40:27,570 --> 00:40:28,945
like this is

1159
00:40:29,478 --> 00:40:32,681
what is driving a lot of their behavior

1160
00:40:32,738 --> 00:40:33,692
because it... It's hot.

1161
00:40:34,423 --> 00:40:36,174
And, you know, as soon as it comes

1162
00:40:36,174 --> 00:40:38,324
up, they're they're trying to get away from

1163
00:40:38,324 --> 00:40:39,540
it. They're they're basically

1164
00:40:39,916 --> 00:40:41,746
vampires from from the middle of June on.

1165
00:40:42,318 --> 00:40:44,622
And even though their their their hairs thin,

1166
00:40:44,860 --> 00:40:46,608
they don't have their their their coats. They

1167
00:40:46,608 --> 00:40:47,799
still don't like to be out in the

1168
00:40:47,799 --> 00:40:50,421
blazing and sun. So the sun is dictating

1169
00:40:50,421 --> 00:40:51,985
wearing in the habitat that they're gonna

1170
00:40:52,581 --> 00:40:55,067
And so this whole pocket principle

1171
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:56,180
is

1172
00:40:56,634 --> 00:40:58,859
getting it through our heads that deer not

1173
00:40:58,859 --> 00:41:01,498
gonna be evenly distributed across Land But I'm

1174
00:41:01,498 --> 00:41:03,094
not trying to say Elk car either but

1175
00:41:03,094 --> 00:41:04,611
it seems like Elk can be about anywhere.

1176
00:41:05,010 --> 00:41:07,484
But deer left un disturb without a lot

1177
00:41:07,484 --> 00:41:08,123
of pressure.

1178
00:41:09,559 --> 00:41:11,880
Okay we'll we'll we'll seek out certain pockets.

1179
00:41:12,595 --> 00:41:15,059
And once you find those pockets, you're gonna

1180
00:41:15,059 --> 00:41:16,967
you're gonna see way more gear, like, 5

1181
00:41:16,967 --> 00:41:18,556
to 10 times more dear than you do.

1182
00:41:19,048 --> 00:41:19,787
Just randomly

1183
00:41:20,161 --> 00:41:23,102
going across the landscape. And so always remember

1184
00:41:23,102 --> 00:41:25,327
that 1. You're not seeing there. You just

1185
00:41:25,327 --> 00:41:26,384
may not be

1186
00:41:26,693 --> 00:41:28,362
in the right pocket in that pocket. Yeah.

1187
00:41:28,521 --> 00:41:30,110
It could be a a big basin. It

1188
00:41:30,110 --> 00:41:31,302
could be a little cool off the side

1189
00:41:31,302 --> 00:41:31,937
of Mesa.

1190
00:41:33,288 --> 00:41:34,400
It. It could be some,

1191
00:41:35,449 --> 00:41:37,762
some some canyon that are just some side

1192
00:41:37,762 --> 00:41:39,914
canyon off of a main canyon. You know,

1193
00:41:40,074 --> 00:41:40,813
but but

1194
00:41:41,349 --> 00:41:42,705
when I said I grew as a deer

1195
00:41:42,705 --> 00:41:44,242
hunter or what I meant was

1196
00:41:44,714 --> 00:41:47,348
I started just looking for pockets rather than

1197
00:41:47,348 --> 00:41:49,025
looking at all the deer country. And this

1198
00:41:49,025 --> 00:41:51,180
just kind of occurred naturally. And that's why

1199
00:41:51,339 --> 00:41:52,537
I said it kinda caught me off guard

1200
00:41:52,537 --> 00:41:54,386
a little bit was that was like, yeah.

1201
00:41:54,625 --> 00:41:56,856
Now III don't treat all deer country the

1202
00:41:56,856 --> 00:41:58,847
same. I look at it, and I'm looking

1203
00:41:58,847 --> 00:42:00,281
for the pockets. And and all the good

1204
00:42:00,281 --> 00:42:01,715
deer hunters. I know they they do the

1205
00:42:01,715 --> 00:42:03,045
same thing. And others there's a bunch of

1206
00:42:03,244 --> 00:42:04,684
you guys out there nod your heads right

1207
00:42:04,684 --> 00:42:04,844
now.

1208
00:42:05,565 --> 00:42:07,804
But but deer our pocket animals, and that's

1209
00:42:07,804 --> 00:42:09,804
our job is is fine is finding those

1210
00:42:09,804 --> 00:42:10,125
pockets.

1211
00:42:12,137 --> 00:42:14,307
Then he goes into another chapter called

1212
00:42:15,319 --> 00:42:17,388
before the stock. Okay? So he's got an

1213
00:42:17,388 --> 00:42:18,206
entire chapter

1214
00:42:18,661 --> 00:42:20,514
about things he goes through

1215
00:42:21,143 --> 00:42:23,055
before he even starts the stock.

1216
00:42:23,692 --> 00:42:25,286
And and that's what I meant. When I

1217
00:42:25,286 --> 00:42:27,914
started reading this again, it was great to

1218
00:42:27,914 --> 00:42:29,211
just get this all

1219
00:42:29,588 --> 00:42:32,700
reorganized and my brain, how all this comes

1220
00:42:32,700 --> 00:42:33,969
together. You know, because a lot of times

1221
00:42:33,969 --> 00:42:34,787
we just think

1222
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:35,795
spot stock.

1223
00:42:36,509 --> 00:42:39,303
And in Dwight world, it's like, no. There's

1224
00:42:39,303 --> 00:42:41,698
a whole bunch of steps in between spot

1225
00:42:41,698 --> 00:42:43,774
and stock. Alright? And

1226
00:42:44,173 --> 00:42:45,530
so he calls it before the stock,

1227
00:42:46,329 --> 00:42:47,286
talks about looking for...

1228
00:42:48,739 --> 00:42:50,819
Bed bucks versus feeding bucks.

1229
00:42:51,699 --> 00:42:52,199
And

1230
00:42:52,980 --> 00:42:53,880
when he's gonna

1231
00:42:54,339 --> 00:42:55,159
plant an ambush,

1232
00:42:55,954 --> 00:42:57,788
when he's gonna wait for a buck to

1233
00:42:57,788 --> 00:43:01,297
stand? What type of country? He's expecting to

1234
00:43:01,297 --> 00:43:03,451
catch a bed buck in? What kind of

1235
00:43:03,451 --> 00:43:06,731
country might lend itself better to hunting funnels,

1236
00:43:06,890 --> 00:43:09,191
and, you know, and things like that. And

1237
00:43:09,191 --> 00:43:11,119
and, you know, and he goes through through

1238
00:43:11,571 --> 00:43:12,071
basic

1239
00:43:12,443 --> 00:43:15,083
decisions that he makes before before he even

1240
00:43:15,083 --> 00:43:17,262
takes off after the buck. And

1241
00:43:17,721 --> 00:43:19,799
how he plans the stock and so funny

1242
00:43:19,799 --> 00:43:21,157
in here because, you know, we all have

1243
00:43:21,157 --> 00:43:24,208
smartphones now. And we used to all... All

1244
00:43:24,208 --> 00:43:25,798
of us used to carry little notebooks,

1245
00:43:26,275 --> 00:43:28,025
little tiny notebooks kinda that would go in

1246
00:43:28,025 --> 00:43:30,730
like an engineer's pocket. And we would draw

1247
00:43:30,730 --> 00:43:33,129
pictures of what the hillside look like. And

1248
00:43:33,367 --> 00:43:34,637
I had been doing that for years before

1249
00:43:34,795 --> 00:43:36,541
I got a smartphone. And and that's where

1250
00:43:36,699 --> 00:43:37,969
I got it from was in here. He

1251
00:43:37,969 --> 00:43:40,349
talks about. How about planning your stock and

1252
00:43:40,349 --> 00:43:40,507
just...

1253
00:43:41,478 --> 00:43:43,016
How hard it is to recognize

1254
00:43:43,394 --> 00:43:43,894
terrain

1255
00:43:44,351 --> 00:43:45,570
once your

1256
00:43:46,347 --> 00:43:48,742
perspective changes. Once you get over there or,

1257
00:43:48,822 --> 00:43:50,349
you know, you make a... You make a

1258
00:43:50,349 --> 00:43:51,858
half a loop and you start looking back

1259
00:43:51,858 --> 00:43:53,366
down in the january. He thought he was

1260
00:43:53,366 --> 00:43:55,350
and everything looks different. He talk he talks

1261
00:43:55,350 --> 00:43:55,747
about that,

1262
00:43:56,700 --> 00:43:57,890
you know, using your compass.

1263
00:43:59,097 --> 00:44:00,929
Which is still very smart even with a

1264
00:44:00,929 --> 00:44:01,327
smartphone.

1265
00:44:02,204 --> 00:44:02,704
The

1266
00:44:03,159 --> 00:44:05,708
the technology that's in the bin. I'm thinking

1267
00:44:05,787 --> 00:44:06,902
Sw asking. Because so that's what I shoot,

1268
00:44:07,062 --> 00:44:07,301
but

1269
00:44:07,954 --> 00:44:08,275
the

1270
00:44:08,835 --> 00:44:11,155
the ta, the tracking assistant, but it's in

1271
00:44:11,155 --> 00:44:11,315
the...

1272
00:44:12,195 --> 00:44:14,594
I know base has it. Oh, on forgive.

1273
00:44:14,755 --> 00:44:16,275
You probably do too, and I just haven't

1274
00:44:16,275 --> 00:44:17,724
learned it, but you can drop thin and

1275
00:44:17,724 --> 00:44:18,437
go straight to it.

1276
00:44:19,546 --> 00:44:20,601
That stuff is,

1277
00:44:21,289 --> 00:44:21,447
you,

1278
00:44:22,161 --> 00:44:24,062
everything dwight talking about on steroids,

1279
00:44:24,554 --> 00:44:27,505
but it's still good to read through that

1280
00:44:27,505 --> 00:44:29,738
process. And 1 other thing. And and and

1281
00:44:29,818 --> 00:44:31,174
I know to do this, but I I

1282
00:44:31,174 --> 00:44:32,849
don't always think about it as part of

1283
00:44:32,849 --> 00:44:35,018
planning the stock is he calls spot the

1284
00:44:35,018 --> 00:44:35,418
spoilers.

1285
00:44:36,137 --> 00:44:37,755
Spotting the spoilers means

1286
00:44:38,614 --> 00:44:40,931
what remembering all the deer you've seen through

1287
00:44:40,931 --> 00:44:41,410
the morning,

1288
00:44:42,140 --> 00:44:43,647
because, you know, you'll see Deer throughout the

1289
00:44:43,647 --> 00:44:45,154
morning as you're watching these bucks, and you

1290
00:44:45,154 --> 00:44:46,344
then... Once you get in the stock you

1291
00:44:46,344 --> 00:44:47,851
kinda forget about them No. No. You gotta

1292
00:44:47,851 --> 00:44:48,565
pay attention to them.

1293
00:44:50,168 --> 00:44:52,475
When you plan your stock out, blast your

1294
00:44:52,475 --> 00:44:54,385
whole stock out, make sure there's no deer

1295
00:44:54,385 --> 00:44:56,215
out, you know, if they're up feeding, that's...

1296
00:44:56,534 --> 00:44:58,125
They're easy to catch if they're bed, it's

1297
00:44:58,125 --> 00:45:00,047
gonna be harder, but A a lot of

1298
00:45:00,047 --> 00:45:01,737
times if you can just get

1299
00:45:02,109 --> 00:45:04,251
a straight shot at a buck. I don't

1300
00:45:04,251 --> 00:45:05,758
care if he's 9 years old. If you

1301
00:45:05,758 --> 00:45:07,288
could get us straight shot at a buck,

1302
00:45:07,368 --> 00:45:09,206
and there's no spoilers in there and buy

1303
00:45:09,206 --> 00:45:11,123
a straight shot, I mean, stock. If you

1304
00:45:11,123 --> 00:45:12,561
can get a stock at him, and not

1305
00:45:12,561 --> 00:45:13,520
have to lose sight of him.

1306
00:45:14,414 --> 00:45:16,335
Too much, and there's no other deer between

1307
00:45:16,335 --> 00:45:16,735
you and them.

1308
00:45:17,855 --> 00:45:19,535
There's not a lot that can go wrong.

1309
00:45:19,695 --> 00:45:20,894
Now, I'm not telling you're gonna get the

1310
00:45:20,894 --> 00:45:21,946
dare. But they're...

1311
00:45:22,662 --> 00:45:24,809
You're probably gonna get within range of that

1312
00:45:24,809 --> 00:45:27,059
deer. And it was good to be reminded

1313
00:45:27,195 --> 00:45:28,468
about, you know, all the things that can

1314
00:45:28,468 --> 00:45:29,582
go go wrong on there.

1315
00:45:30,394 --> 00:45:31,134
And then

1316
00:45:31,593 --> 00:45:33,511
he breaks into the next chapter. He breaks

1317
00:45:33,511 --> 00:45:35,269
the stock down even more. He got before

1318
00:45:35,269 --> 00:45:38,146
the stock. And then you've got closing in.

1319
00:45:38,626 --> 00:45:39,445
Alright? So

1320
00:45:39,838 --> 00:45:42,227
that's kind of a subset of the word

1321
00:45:42,227 --> 00:45:44,399
stock and and he talks about

1322
00:45:45,093 --> 00:45:46,844
all the things that can happen when you're

1323
00:45:46,844 --> 00:45:48,848
closing in. 1 of the big ones,

1324
00:45:49,802 --> 00:45:50,516
relocating a buck.

1325
00:45:51,152 --> 00:45:53,378
And I think that, like,

1326
00:45:54,331 --> 00:45:56,477
obviously, the gold standard is to spot a

1327
00:45:56,477 --> 00:45:59,289
buck, keep your eyes on him and stalk

1328
00:45:59,289 --> 00:46:01,289
right in. Well, that hardly ever happens. You,

1329
00:46:01,369 --> 00:46:02,570
you almost always have to, you know,

1330
00:46:03,369 --> 00:46:05,937
get behind something, you know, go behind the

1331
00:46:05,937 --> 00:46:08,500
red circle around, you know, that's that's just

1332
00:46:08,794 --> 00:46:11,358
kind of accepted in mule deer hunting. But

1333
00:46:11,810 --> 00:46:12,048
in...

1334
00:46:13,253 --> 00:46:15,793
We we kind of forget that we gotta

1335
00:46:15,793 --> 00:46:16,293
have

1336
00:46:16,666 --> 00:46:18,650
the skill to relocate a buck.

1337
00:46:19,523 --> 00:46:22,159
We we need to expect that we're gonna

1338
00:46:22,159 --> 00:46:23,671
have to relocate about. That's what I'm trying

1339
00:46:23,671 --> 00:46:25,263
to say. That's what came out of is

1340
00:46:25,263 --> 00:46:28,048
reading where sometimes like, be lose track of

1341
00:46:28,048 --> 00:46:29,481
the buck on the stock and and we

1342
00:46:29,481 --> 00:46:30,038
think, oh,

1343
00:46:30,928 --> 00:46:31,800
just my luck.

1344
00:46:32,673 --> 00:46:35,157
Yeah always happens to me. No. That's normal.

1345
00:46:35,926 --> 00:46:38,306
Very rarely do they stay in exactly the

1346
00:46:38,306 --> 00:46:40,387
same bed? You know, even if they move

1347
00:46:40,387 --> 00:46:41,976
15 yards, it can be really hard to

1348
00:46:41,976 --> 00:46:43,805
relocate. But even if they stay in the

1349
00:46:43,805 --> 00:46:45,713
same bed because your perspective all changes,

1350
00:46:46,269 --> 00:46:46,769
that,

1351
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,186
you've gotta continually relocate that buck, and he

1352
00:46:50,186 --> 00:46:52,814
talks about that on on closing in, how

1353
00:46:52,814 --> 00:46:54,646
he just expects that. You know, that... That's

1354
00:46:54,646 --> 00:46:56,733
the norm that you're gonna... Gonna lose track

1355
00:46:56,733 --> 00:46:57,929
of the buck, and then you're just gonna

1356
00:46:57,929 --> 00:46:59,604
have to find him again and

1357
00:47:00,162 --> 00:47:02,975
expect it. And then he goes into this

1358
00:47:03,034 --> 00:47:05,027
this whole thing. It's called the philosophy of

1359
00:47:05,027 --> 00:47:05,666
getting close.

1360
00:47:06,555 --> 00:47:07,055
And

1361
00:47:07,666 --> 00:47:09,412
it's it's it's too long to go into

1362
00:47:09,412 --> 00:47:10,603
it I almost have to read it word

1363
00:47:10,603 --> 00:47:12,769
for word to capture it. But

1364
00:47:14,030 --> 00:47:15,696
he believes he can get close to deer

1365
00:47:15,696 --> 00:47:16,830
and I I think

1366
00:47:17,203 --> 00:47:18,630
that's what stuck out to me as young

1367
00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:20,058
man when I read this because, you know,

1368
00:47:20,217 --> 00:47:21,699
I grew up in a family where I

1369
00:47:21,899 --> 00:47:23,176
I just said it, you know, getting a

1370
00:47:23,176 --> 00:47:24,532
deer with a boat. That was just a

1371
00:47:24,532 --> 00:47:25,032
random

1372
00:47:26,527 --> 00:47:28,522
happening in the universe, You know? You just

1373
00:47:28,522 --> 00:47:30,532
happened to... I to get a shot at

1374
00:47:30,532 --> 00:47:31,728
a buck and you got. And there wasn't

1375
00:47:31,728 --> 00:47:33,242
a not not a lot you could do

1376
00:47:33,242 --> 00:47:35,315
on purpose to kill a deer

1377
00:47:35,794 --> 00:47:38,447
on purpose with a bow. And and and

1378
00:47:39,078 --> 00:47:42,188
Dwight does not believe that. He believes that

1379
00:47:42,188 --> 00:47:44,603
you can get close to most dear

1380
00:47:44,980 --> 00:47:48,112
and by extension to most bucks. And

1381
00:47:48,742 --> 00:47:49,242
that

1382
00:47:49,696 --> 00:47:51,842
seemed cocky when I read that back then.

1383
00:47:52,319 --> 00:47:53,909
But even though I haven't killed a bunch

1384
00:47:53,909 --> 00:47:55,419
of pig meal with my bow, I believe

1385
00:47:55,419 --> 00:47:56,134
him, you can.

1386
00:47:58,374 --> 00:47:58,874
If

1387
00:47:59,644 --> 00:48:02,106
I don't think that you're... If you... I

1388
00:48:02,106 --> 00:48:04,171
think if you do it right, you're gonna

1389
00:48:04,171 --> 00:48:04,671
have

1390
00:48:05,934 --> 00:48:06,993
probably 30

1391
00:48:07,371 --> 00:48:07,871
percent

1392
00:48:09,047 --> 00:48:11,362
of your stocks will be successful. I'm just

1393
00:48:11,362 --> 00:48:13,038
throwing a random number out there, but I'm

1394
00:48:13,038 --> 00:48:14,257
just thinking of the last

1395
00:48:15,288 --> 00:48:16,804
4 or 5 deer that I've stocked,

1396
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:19,356
it might even be higher than that. It

1397
00:48:19,356 --> 00:48:21,190
might even be, like 50 percent. Now I'm

1398
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:22,466
not just saying that if you see a

1399
00:48:22,466 --> 00:48:24,003
deer, you got a 50 percent chance

1400
00:48:24,380 --> 00:48:26,385
of getting on him. I'm not saying that.

1401
00:48:26,623 --> 00:48:27,816
I'm just saying if if you do all

1402
00:48:27,816 --> 00:48:29,168
these things he's talking about.

1403
00:48:29,963 --> 00:48:30,463
And,

1404
00:48:31,077 --> 00:48:32,985
you you be patient, but not too patient,

1405
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:34,033
You gotta be aggressive.

1406
00:48:34,827 --> 00:48:36,574
At some point. You gotta you gotta go.

1407
00:48:37,368 --> 00:48:40,068
You do all that stuff. Right? I think

1408
00:48:40,068 --> 00:48:43,262
you'll be surprised. At how often you're gonna

1409
00:48:43,262 --> 00:48:45,808
get within range of them. And this book

1410
00:48:45,808 --> 00:48:47,501
was the first 1 that really

1411
00:48:48,849 --> 00:48:50,309
taught me that. And,

1412
00:48:50,690 --> 00:48:52,690
you know, jumping in head 30 years. Yep.

1413
00:48:52,929 --> 00:48:55,170
IIII believe you you you play your cards

1414
00:48:55,170 --> 00:48:57,905
right. You're you're gonna get closer to more

1415
00:48:57,905 --> 00:48:58,484
of them

1416
00:48:58,784 --> 00:49:00,944
than you think, but we'll talk about it

1417
00:49:00,944 --> 00:49:03,344
in a minute. It's not all about getting

1418
00:49:03,344 --> 00:49:05,280
close to them. Has I can attest.

1419
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,640
K. Ben is the next chapter is actually

1420
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,720
the stock. Okay? So he's got all what

1421
00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:12,180
what the 2 or 3 chapters

1422
00:49:12,813 --> 00:49:14,809
prior to even the stock. You know, where

1423
00:49:14,809 --> 00:49:16,405
remote... Most of us just jump right into

1424
00:49:16,405 --> 00:49:16,884
the stock.

1425
00:49:17,523 --> 00:49:20,157
And he breaks it down by what you're

1426
00:49:20,157 --> 00:49:21,115
trying to overcome.

1427
00:49:22,009 --> 00:49:24,806
The the the the bucks, sets of smile,

1428
00:49:25,765 --> 00:49:27,523
and he's talking about scent control with the

1429
00:49:27,523 --> 00:49:29,761
person and do dwight is not into any

1430
00:49:29,761 --> 00:49:30,660
hoc poc

1431
00:49:30,974 --> 00:49:32,888
scent control thing. He's he's of the school.

1432
00:49:33,047 --> 00:49:34,563
If you get down. Yeah you you put

1433
00:49:34,563 --> 00:49:36,238
a here down Window you, they're gonna smell

1434
00:49:36,238 --> 00:49:38,790
you. But he's he's all about staying clean,

1435
00:49:39,269 --> 00:49:40,226
you know, clean clothes,

1436
00:49:41,198 --> 00:49:42,873
stuff like that. That's gonna help. That's gonna

1437
00:49:42,873 --> 00:49:44,787
give you more time Randy Ol took that

1438
00:49:44,787 --> 00:49:46,541
to the next level. He was always staying

1439
00:49:46,541 --> 00:49:48,535
really clean, and he always said the same

1440
00:49:48,535 --> 00:49:50,941
thing. Yeah. They're gonna smell you. But, you

1441
00:49:50,941 --> 00:49:52,375
know, sent is,

1442
00:49:53,728 --> 00:49:56,696
these are my words here. Sent is a

1443
00:49:57,072 --> 00:50:00,276
concentration game as in. How much scent is

1444
00:50:00,276 --> 00:50:02,352
concentrated in that area. The higher that that

1445
00:50:02,352 --> 00:50:04,986
is, the the better chance they have of

1446
00:50:04,986 --> 00:50:06,764
smelling you. So if you can keep the

1447
00:50:06,982 --> 00:50:07,860
concentration of cent low,

1448
00:50:08,672 --> 00:50:10,658
it buys you more time. Sometimes you only

1449
00:50:10,658 --> 00:50:11,770
need another 5 seconds,

1450
00:50:12,723 --> 00:50:15,447
and and and that's the whole idea of

1451
00:50:15,503 --> 00:50:17,172
of smell. So do dwight I talks about

1452
00:50:17,172 --> 00:50:19,015
that in there too? I I got a

1453
00:50:19,015 --> 00:50:20,368
credit him. He was right. The first 1

1454
00:50:20,368 --> 00:50:21,322
that really cut into that.

1455
00:50:22,039 --> 00:50:23,471
Talks about overcoming their site.

1456
00:50:24,903 --> 00:50:25,619
They're hearing.

1457
00:50:26,654 --> 00:50:28,917
Talks about, using their curiosity

1458
00:50:29,448 --> 00:50:31,828
against them. And I think when you get

1459
00:50:31,828 --> 00:50:34,922
real old bucks, they're not very curious. However,

1460
00:50:35,161 --> 00:50:36,928
they're a little bit. Curious, and he talks

1461
00:50:36,928 --> 00:50:37,887
about that in there too.

1462
00:50:38,686 --> 00:50:40,604
But definitely with the younger bucks and everything

1463
00:50:40,604 --> 00:50:42,842
he talks about using their curiosity against them.

1464
00:50:43,241 --> 00:50:44,620
He also talks about

1465
00:50:45,171 --> 00:50:46,443
And when I first read it, I thought,

1466
00:50:47,159 --> 00:50:49,782
I gotta think about this. But that on

1467
00:50:49,782 --> 00:50:50,179
stocks,

1468
00:50:50,815 --> 00:50:52,246
when he's alerted a big buck,

1469
00:50:52,819 --> 00:50:54,257
but he hasn't put him on high alert,

1470
00:50:54,817 --> 00:50:56,575
and then he just gets quiet and holds

1471
00:50:56,575 --> 00:50:59,132
perfectly still, and then the buck goes back

1472
00:50:59,132 --> 00:51:00,330
to just be in a buck.

1473
00:51:01,384 --> 00:51:03,541
He calls it forgetting about you. He he

1474
00:51:03,541 --> 00:51:05,300
says, hey, they just forgot about you. And

1475
00:51:05,300 --> 00:51:06,738
when I read that again, even this the

1476
00:51:06,738 --> 00:51:08,256
second time. I'm like, wait a minute, They

1477
00:51:08,256 --> 00:51:10,188
don't forget about you. But then So I

1478
00:51:10,188 --> 00:51:11,224
thought it through for a minute. I thought,

1479
00:51:11,304 --> 00:51:12,580
okay. I know what he's talking about. No.

1480
00:51:12,979 --> 00:51:14,255
If you sp them and they see and

1481
00:51:14,255 --> 00:51:16,009
know, they do not forget about you. Okay?

1482
00:51:16,408 --> 00:51:18,481
If they smell you, they do not forget

1483
00:51:18,481 --> 00:51:20,988
about you. But what he's talking about is

1484
00:51:21,046 --> 00:51:23,037
you're you're gonna make some noise on your

1485
00:51:23,037 --> 00:51:23,356
stock.

1486
00:51:23,913 --> 00:51:26,143
And if you're if if you're if you're

1487
00:51:26,143 --> 00:51:26,643
frequency

1488
00:51:27,019 --> 00:51:28,945
of noise and I don't I'm not talking

1489
00:51:28,945 --> 00:51:32,445
volume here. The the amount of time between

1490
00:51:32,445 --> 00:51:35,722
noises that is is long enough. The bucks

1491
00:51:35,722 --> 00:51:37,236
will forget about you is is what he's

1492
00:51:37,236 --> 00:51:38,511
talking about. So what he means? Is, like,

1493
00:51:38,670 --> 00:51:41,879
say you you're steak along and you

1494
00:51:42,893 --> 00:51:45,377
slide your even if you're in stocking. Feet

1495
00:51:45,377 --> 00:51:45,695
accidentally.

1496
00:51:46,253 --> 00:51:47,845
Slide your foot across the ground it grinds

1497
00:51:47,845 --> 00:51:49,755
a gravel just a little bit. And I'll

1498
00:51:49,755 --> 00:51:51,028
you that bucks head come up and as

1499
00:51:51,028 --> 00:51:52,143
ears go go

1500
00:51:53,034 --> 00:51:54,549
90 degrees. Looking all over the place. A

1501
00:51:54,549 --> 00:51:56,463
hundred and 80 degrees, You know, like they

1502
00:51:56,463 --> 00:51:56,623
do.

1503
00:51:57,341 --> 00:51:59,494
But you hold still and you give him

1504
00:51:59,494 --> 00:52:02,047
a couple minutes, and then he settles back

1505
00:52:02,047 --> 00:52:02,286
down.

1506
00:52:03,813 --> 00:52:06,516
Dwight right. He is forgetting about you. Because

1507
00:52:06,516 --> 00:52:08,583
if he truly thought that was a threat,

1508
00:52:08,822 --> 00:52:11,305
he would not forget about it. He is

1509
00:52:11,305 --> 00:52:13,704
just not associating in with danger. He's heard

1510
00:52:13,704 --> 00:52:16,425
it. He listened for a while. It's stayed

1511
00:52:16,425 --> 00:52:18,436
quiet, so he forgets about So I I

1512
00:52:18,436 --> 00:52:19,550
don't know if that's a revolution revolutionary I

1513
00:52:19,550 --> 00:52:20,824
concept to you guys. But when I read

1514
00:52:20,824 --> 00:52:22,654
that again. I I thought, yeah. Yeah. I

1515
00:52:22,654 --> 00:52:24,802
gotta remember that on my next stock, give

1516
00:52:24,802 --> 00:52:27,524
him time to forget about you. K?

1517
00:52:28,481 --> 00:52:30,476
The last part of the stock is putting

1518
00:52:30,476 --> 00:52:32,311
it all together, and this is where he's

1519
00:52:32,311 --> 00:52:33,987
talking about. You're getting ready for the shot

1520
00:52:33,987 --> 00:52:34,545
and everything.

1521
00:52:35,199 --> 00:52:37,197
And and then it goes into the next

1522
00:52:37,197 --> 00:52:37,516
chapter,

1523
00:52:38,076 --> 00:52:40,154
the shot. And that's what I mean. This

1524
00:52:40,154 --> 00:52:42,072
is a work of art. He he broke

1525
00:52:42,072 --> 00:52:42,811
this down

1526
00:52:43,350 --> 00:52:43,850
to

1527
00:52:44,244 --> 00:52:46,484
the very basic elements of this. And this

1528
00:52:46,484 --> 00:52:48,164
helped me. You know, even as a 55

1529
00:52:48,164 --> 00:52:50,724
year old bow. This helped me because, you

1530
00:52:50,724 --> 00:52:52,860
know, I'm Add. I'm always trying to

1531
00:52:53,375 --> 00:52:53,930
push things,

1532
00:52:55,277 --> 00:52:57,101
and, you know, make things happen.

1533
00:52:57,656 --> 00:53:00,455
Sometimes that'll work for you. But in

1534
00:53:00,764 --> 00:53:02,439
in honey big meal with a bow,

1535
00:53:03,715 --> 00:53:05,310
you gotta be careful with that stuff. And

1536
00:53:05,310 --> 00:53:07,224
so when he gets into the shot. And

1537
00:53:07,224 --> 00:53:08,979
this is where I have fallen apart. Alright?

1538
00:53:09,139 --> 00:53:10,909
So you know I've killed 3 big meal

1539
00:53:10,909 --> 00:53:12,585
with my bow, killed 3 in a row

1540
00:53:12,585 --> 00:53:15,559
with my bow. And then the last 3

1541
00:53:15,619 --> 00:53:16,975
that we're all just as big. You know,

1542
00:53:17,135 --> 00:53:19,210
these are all bucks, 1 90 and north

1543
00:53:19,210 --> 00:53:20,681
of or junky

1544
00:53:21,373 --> 00:53:23,679
wide bucks, you know, something going for, big

1545
00:53:23,679 --> 00:53:23,917
bucks,

1546
00:53:25,507 --> 00:53:27,573
then I missed the last 3. Wounded 1

1547
00:53:27,573 --> 00:53:28,868
of them. He survived

1548
00:53:30,772 --> 00:53:31,011
then,

1549
00:53:31,887 --> 00:53:33,401
because we saw him again during prophecies season

1550
00:53:33,401 --> 00:53:35,393
and Travis Swaps got a shot, at. That's

1551
00:53:35,393 --> 00:53:36,827
in the last chapter of my book,

1552
00:53:37,703 --> 00:53:38,181
the stories.

1553
00:53:39,152 --> 00:53:41,621
And then the buck that I... That I

1554
00:53:41,939 --> 00:53:43,931
missed in 20 22. That that was a

1555
00:53:43,931 --> 00:53:47,218
good 28 to 30 inch deer non typical

1556
00:53:47,609 --> 00:53:49,835
you know, had him at 25 yards. He

1557
00:53:49,835 --> 00:53:51,585
got up. He turned. He showed me a

1558
00:53:51,585 --> 00:53:53,096
shoulder but I had a branch. Right? In

1559
00:53:53,096 --> 00:53:54,845
front of me. And then he turned and

1560
00:53:54,845 --> 00:53:56,356
he walked away and he walked out to

1561
00:53:56,356 --> 00:53:57,151
38 yards.

1562
00:53:57,963 --> 00:53:58,463
And

1563
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:00,936
I just didn't let him

1564
00:54:01,952 --> 00:54:04,207
quarter enough. He he turned

1565
00:54:04,839 --> 00:54:06,679
and he saw me draw,

1566
00:54:07,079 --> 00:54:08,519
and that just put me on high alert,

1567
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,839
but that was my mistake. He wasn't on

1568
00:54:10,839 --> 00:54:13,400
high alert. He just saw something back there.

1569
00:54:13,974 --> 00:54:15,655
About a waited just a little bit longer.

1570
00:54:15,894 --> 00:54:17,835
I would had a lot better

1571
00:54:18,295 --> 00:54:19,815
angle to shoot at him, and I wouldn't

1572
00:54:19,815 --> 00:54:20,795
have missed. And

1573
00:54:21,749 --> 00:54:23,743
And then let's say there's another 1 in

1574
00:54:23,743 --> 00:54:25,817
there. Oh, my 2014

1575
00:54:25,817 --> 00:54:26,875
book, 1 90,

1576
00:54:27,811 --> 00:54:29,565
Gross buck that I missed at,

1577
00:54:30,443 --> 00:54:31,501
48 yards

1578
00:54:32,133 --> 00:54:35,086
use the wrong pin. What an amateur move

1579
00:54:35,086 --> 00:54:36,863
put it my 20 yard pin

1580
00:54:37,241 --> 00:54:38,039
on his withers.

1581
00:54:40,209 --> 00:54:41,566
Meant to put my 40 yard pen on

1582
00:54:41,566 --> 00:54:43,641
his withers. But I got all jacked up.

1583
00:54:45,159 --> 00:54:47,154
Another buck had spooked and this buck went

1584
00:54:47,154 --> 00:54:48,591
on high alert, but he wasn't looking at

1585
00:54:48,591 --> 00:54:50,363
me. I still had plenty of time.

1586
00:54:51,242 --> 00:54:53,319
So what my whole point was is I've

1587
00:54:53,319 --> 00:54:55,636
missed those 3 big bucks. And those are

1588
00:54:55,636 --> 00:54:56,275
all my fault.

1589
00:54:57,567 --> 00:55:00,358
Nothing to do with equipment. That's just me

1590
00:55:00,358 --> 00:55:02,134
crap in the bed. And

1591
00:55:02,590 --> 00:55:04,903
all these things that he's talking about, Just

1592
00:55:04,903 --> 00:55:07,868
reading him again. Just help kinda slow me

1593
00:55:07,868 --> 00:55:10,498
back down. But this this chapter here called

1594
00:55:10,498 --> 00:55:12,592
the shot. He goes through

1595
00:55:12,969 --> 00:55:13,846
defining the shot,

1596
00:55:14,739 --> 00:55:18,115
and the difference between getting a shot

1597
00:55:18,733 --> 00:55:20,251
and getting a good shot.

1598
00:55:20,971 --> 00:55:21,471
And

1599
00:55:22,502 --> 00:55:24,255
On 2 of those books I just talked

1600
00:55:24,255 --> 00:55:24,494
about,

1601
00:55:25,131 --> 00:55:27,839
I didn't give my... I got a shot,

1602
00:55:28,636 --> 00:55:30,468
but I didn't take the time to get

1603
00:55:30,468 --> 00:55:32,795
a good shot. And he breaks that down

1604
00:55:32,795 --> 00:55:33,593
over pages.

1605
00:55:34,151 --> 00:55:36,464
And the cool thing about Dwight is he

1606
00:55:36,464 --> 00:55:38,538
interviewed a lot of bow hunters when he

1607
00:55:38,538 --> 00:55:40,633
wrote this book. So it's not just him.

1608
00:55:41,423 --> 00:55:43,484
He's he's talking about. This guy lives in

1609
00:55:43,563 --> 00:55:45,228
Oregon. This is how he does it. This

1610
00:55:45,228 --> 00:55:47,130
guy's killed 3 record book bucks. This is

1611
00:55:47,130 --> 00:55:49,286
how he does and interviewed them all. And

1612
00:55:49,286 --> 00:55:51,588
so so remember, there's a difference between getting

1613
00:55:51,588 --> 00:55:52,247
a shot

1614
00:55:52,621 --> 00:55:54,527
and getting a good shot. And I think

1615
00:55:54,527 --> 00:55:56,353
that's that's where I gotta a slow in

1616
00:55:56,353 --> 00:55:57,012
my mind

1617
00:55:57,385 --> 00:55:57,885
is

1618
00:55:58,433 --> 00:56:00,106
sometimes, I'm just... I just gotta get shot.

1619
00:56:00,265 --> 00:56:01,619
Got Got get a shot. That's what it's

1620
00:56:01,619 --> 00:56:04,328
all. No. No No. No. We we just

1621
00:56:04,328 --> 00:56:06,876
gotta get 1 good shot. That... That's all

1622
00:56:06,876 --> 00:56:07,115
we need.

1623
00:56:08,563 --> 00:56:11,109
And then let's see. Talked about getting the

1624
00:56:11,109 --> 00:56:11,609
shot,

1625
00:56:12,621 --> 00:56:15,088
making the shot 2 totally different things. So

1626
00:56:15,088 --> 00:56:16,282
getting the shot, making the shot.

1627
00:56:17,014 --> 00:56:19,087
Talks about practicing under pressure, the different kind

1628
00:56:19,087 --> 00:56:21,957
of field practice. It's funny. 3D3D

1629
00:56:21,957 --> 00:56:22,457
is

1630
00:56:23,153 --> 00:56:25,067
term is not even mentioned in here, the

1631
00:56:25,067 --> 00:56:27,074
word 3 d. This is clear back when

1632
00:56:27,074 --> 00:56:29,382
we're were just shooting target butts. And... But

1633
00:56:29,382 --> 00:56:30,677
but he talks about how

1634
00:56:31,530 --> 00:56:33,934
shooting and competition can really help you. The

1635
00:56:33,934 --> 00:56:36,166
whole concept of picking a spot, all my

1636
00:56:36,166 --> 00:56:37,601
bows, if you look somewhere in my bows,

1637
00:56:37,761 --> 00:56:38,957
There'll be a little piece of tape that

1638
00:56:38,957 --> 00:56:40,233
says pick a spot. Because,

1639
00:56:40,950 --> 00:56:42,465
I'm supposed to read it before I shoot

1640
00:56:42,465 --> 00:56:44,150
and and and I don't think I have

1641
00:56:44,150 --> 00:56:46,534
been. But but that concept,

1642
00:56:47,329 --> 00:56:49,475
I first heard him start talking about that

1643
00:56:49,475 --> 00:56:51,144
about. Don't just aim at the deer.

1644
00:56:52,114 --> 00:56:53,551
You gotta pick a spot.

1645
00:56:54,190 --> 00:56:56,047
You've Heard mentioned being an outfit

1646
00:56:56,824 --> 00:56:58,980
for over the years, and I've I've taken

1647
00:56:58,980 --> 00:57:00,656
a lot of what I call self guided

1648
00:57:00,656 --> 00:57:02,588
hunters, meaning, you know, because we operate on

1649
00:57:02,588 --> 00:57:03,227
private land.

1650
00:57:04,026 --> 00:57:06,104
I'll show guys the ranch, stay in touch

1651
00:57:06,104 --> 00:57:07,782
with them each day. I used to give

1652
00:57:07,782 --> 00:57:08,980
them Max. So now I give them On

1653
00:57:08,980 --> 00:57:10,831
x. These are guys that wanna hunt on

1654
00:57:10,831 --> 00:57:12,507
their own. K? But they do need a

1655
00:57:12,507 --> 00:57:15,221
little bit of help. And a few years

1656
00:57:15,221 --> 00:57:16,678
back, I had

1657
00:57:17,869 --> 00:57:19,089
4 guys out

1658
00:57:19,549 --> 00:57:20,049
from

1659
00:57:20,349 --> 00:57:22,190
an Eastern state. Let's just say. I'm not

1660
00:57:22,190 --> 00:57:23,789
picking on Eastern guys and all these were

1661
00:57:23,789 --> 00:57:26,599
great guys, good bow hunters, but all the

1662
00:57:26,599 --> 00:57:28,425
stuff they killed had bent at 20 25

1663
00:57:28,425 --> 00:57:28,925
yards

1664
00:57:29,300 --> 00:57:30,968
because of where they lived. Well, then they

1665
00:57:30,968 --> 00:57:31,921
come out here and all of sudden, they

1666
00:57:31,921 --> 00:57:33,271
got Elk running and all over around them,

1667
00:57:33,351 --> 00:57:34,248
you know, from

1668
00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:36,477
30 yards to 70 yards,

1669
00:57:37,117 --> 00:57:38,954
and I think in, like, 3 days.

1670
00:57:39,434 --> 00:57:41,432
Well, they did kill 1. They they hit

1671
00:57:41,432 --> 00:57:43,190
1, hit it in the neck and dropped

1672
00:57:43,190 --> 00:57:43,270
it.

1673
00:57:44,476 --> 00:57:46,459
So that... He even said that wasn't even

1674
00:57:46,459 --> 00:57:48,125
really on purpose. I just aimed at the

1675
00:57:48,125 --> 00:57:49,553
elk. And then the other,

1676
00:57:50,663 --> 00:57:53,863
3LI think they'd missed 1, and then they'd

1677
00:57:53,863 --> 00:57:54,581
hit 2,

1678
00:57:55,219 --> 00:57:56,734
and didn't recover them.

1679
00:57:57,532 --> 00:57:59,606
The Elk could've have even been fine the

1680
00:57:59,606 --> 00:58:00,563
way these guys were shooting.

1681
00:58:01,933 --> 00:58:04,161
And I didn't learn about this until about

1682
00:58:04,161 --> 00:58:05,138
2 days after

1683
00:58:05,831 --> 00:58:07,502
it it all happened. And, you know, I

1684
00:58:07,502 --> 00:58:08,775
just talked to him on the phone that

1685
00:58:08,775 --> 00:58:09,969
night. As you have. We had a bad

1686
00:58:09,969 --> 00:58:11,736
couple of days. He told me what was

1687
00:58:11,736 --> 00:58:14,367
going on, and and, you know, I'm not

1688
00:58:14,367 --> 00:58:16,040
wanting to judge anybody because I've made the

1689
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:18,693
same mistakes. But I asked, are you guys

1690
00:58:19,164 --> 00:58:20,041
I didn't ask him when I told him

1691
00:58:20,201 --> 00:58:21,795
I said, I think you guys are just

1692
00:58:21,795 --> 00:58:22,911
aiming at an elk.

1693
00:58:23,709 --> 00:58:26,021
You're not aiming at a spot on the

1694
00:58:26,021 --> 00:58:27,456
elk, and they were like, oh, you nailed,

1695
00:58:27,695 --> 00:58:29,144
Buddy. You know, they get in front of

1696
00:58:29,144 --> 00:58:30,657
us, and we just we just put the

1697
00:58:30,657 --> 00:58:32,807
pin on the elk. And so we we

1698
00:58:32,807 --> 00:58:34,877
talked to that through and said, hey, you

1699
00:58:34,877 --> 00:58:36,231
know, you gotta pick a spot.

1700
00:58:36,963 --> 00:58:39,033
They came back the next year, which would

1701
00:58:39,033 --> 00:58:41,342
have been last year. They didn't wound any,

1702
00:58:42,059 --> 00:58:42,957
and they killed

1703
00:58:43,492 --> 00:58:45,817
1 or 2. I can't remember now. Talk

1704
00:58:45,817 --> 00:58:48,207
too many guys. But that that was the

1705
00:58:48,207 --> 00:58:50,916
whole thing of picking a spot. Don't aim

1706
00:58:50,916 --> 00:58:52,430
at the whole animal. And, of course, listening

1707
00:58:52,430 --> 00:58:54,024
on a podcast. You're like, I would never

1708
00:58:54,024 --> 00:58:54,422
do that.

1709
00:58:55,314 --> 00:58:55,814
But

1710
00:58:56,431 --> 00:58:58,106
believe me, there's the little part of your

1711
00:58:58,106 --> 00:58:58,606
brain

1712
00:58:59,063 --> 00:59:01,455
that once you get the the the the

1713
00:59:01,455 --> 00:59:03,449
bow drawn and you hit your anchor point,

1714
00:59:03,609 --> 00:59:05,099
there's a little part of your brain that's

1715
00:59:05,219 --> 00:59:06,737
says, I've arrived.

1716
00:59:07,936 --> 00:59:10,432
No. You have it. That's the critical

1717
00:59:10,891 --> 00:59:13,941
seconds right there. And that's where... And I'm

1718
00:59:14,100 --> 00:59:16,655
I'm talking to Robbie Den. That's where we

1719
00:59:16,655 --> 00:59:19,289
gotta take that extra time. Heard Randy owner

1720
00:59:19,289 --> 00:59:21,445
talk about that on on a few, and

1721
00:59:21,445 --> 00:59:22,735
it's just hard to get through my head.

1722
00:59:22,895 --> 00:59:25,364
He's like, always take a couple extra seconds.

1723
00:59:25,603 --> 00:59:26,798
I think is how I said, Just take

1724
00:59:26,798 --> 00:59:29,109
a couple extra seconds. Do I have the

1725
00:59:29,109 --> 00:59:30,862
right pin? Am I picking in the right

1726
00:59:30,862 --> 00:59:31,101
spot?

1727
00:59:31,994 --> 00:59:33,991
And you know, And may... I'm sure there's

1728
00:59:33,991 --> 00:59:35,190
a whole bunch of bow owners on here

1729
00:59:35,190 --> 00:59:36,548
that are that are way over that. You

1730
00:59:36,548 --> 00:59:38,306
know, they're they're they're beyond that. They're not

1731
00:59:38,306 --> 00:59:40,237
having that problem anymore. But I I still

1732
00:59:40,237 --> 00:59:41,992
think, you know, being an outfit and then

1733
00:59:41,992 --> 00:59:43,269
live in my own body. There's a whole

1734
00:59:43,269 --> 00:59:46,061
bunch of us that really need to work

1735
00:59:46,061 --> 00:59:46,380
on that.

1736
00:59:47,034 --> 00:59:47,914
Picking a spot,

1737
00:59:48,635 --> 00:59:51,195
making the shot. Not just getting. He shot.

1738
00:59:52,074 --> 00:59:54,554
He then goes into another chapter called after

1739
00:59:54,554 --> 00:59:55,034
the shot,

1740
00:59:55,609 --> 00:59:57,860
And that's a good 1 too. It has

1741
00:59:58,077 --> 01:00:00,329
just a bunch of information in there about

1742
01:00:00,546 --> 01:00:02,776
about what to expect after the shot, how

1743
01:00:02,776 --> 01:00:03,493
deer react,

1744
01:00:04,622 --> 01:00:06,846
when they're hit in in various places.

1745
01:00:08,355 --> 01:00:12,190
Blood trailing. He talks about the difference between

1746
01:00:12,578 --> 01:00:14,646
a blood trader, which was Larry d Jones.

1747
01:00:14,806 --> 01:00:16,556
He would stay with the blood.

1748
01:00:17,192 --> 01:00:19,203
And then the rest, the other

1749
01:00:19,914 --> 01:00:22,471
70 percent of the hunting population, which does

1750
01:00:22,471 --> 01:00:22,791
what?

1751
01:00:23,510 --> 01:00:24,069
They grid.

1752
01:00:24,789 --> 01:00:26,786
They lose the blood and then they grid.

1753
01:00:27,186 --> 01:00:28,385
And Larry Jones,

1754
01:00:28,879 --> 01:00:29,838
and my father,

1755
01:00:31,036 --> 01:00:32,954
or or never that way. They were always

1756
01:00:32,954 --> 01:00:35,350
like, no. You stay with the blood. You

1757
01:00:35,350 --> 01:00:35,850
don't

1758
01:00:36,244 --> 01:00:38,242
walk and the tracks, by the way, the

1759
01:00:38,242 --> 01:00:39,920
blood and the tracks. You stay with those.

1760
01:00:41,039 --> 01:00:43,357
If you lose them, you still spend your

1761
01:00:43,357 --> 01:00:44,396
time looking for them,

1762
01:00:45,115 --> 01:00:47,610
not just venturing out. Like, well, I think

1763
01:00:47,610 --> 01:00:48,890
he went that way. I think it went

1764
01:00:48,890 --> 01:00:51,530
that way. That hardly ever works. You know,

1765
01:00:51,610 --> 01:00:52,730
if you have a group of 10 guys,

1766
01:00:52,890 --> 01:00:53,130
maybe.

1767
01:00:53,942 --> 01:00:55,456
But do Dwight I talks about that And

1768
01:00:55,456 --> 01:00:57,049
here, it was refreshing, even though I read

1769
01:00:57,049 --> 01:00:58,403
it 30 years ago, I think I I

1770
01:00:58,403 --> 01:01:00,474
kinda forgotten that that he said by and

1771
01:01:00,474 --> 01:01:02,407
large, Larry finds way more animals

1772
01:01:02,798 --> 01:01:04,710
by sticking to the blood. And that's how

1773
01:01:04,710 --> 01:01:05,825
it was with my dad my dad was

1774
01:01:05,825 --> 01:01:07,418
a pair hunter, and a hundred with a

1775
01:01:07,418 --> 01:01:09,010
lot of guys that that Bull hunted bears.

1776
01:01:09,329 --> 01:01:11,001
My dad was always fine in the bears.

1777
01:01:11,574 --> 01:01:12,694
Because he would stick with the blood.

1778
01:01:14,054 --> 01:01:15,574
So he talks about after the shot,

1779
01:01:16,135 --> 01:01:18,375
you know, pick picking places on the deer.

1780
01:01:18,534 --> 01:01:18,934
He's got some,

1781
01:01:19,655 --> 01:01:21,768
illustrations on where to hit him and basically

1782
01:01:21,826 --> 01:01:23,179
looking at a picture of it right now.

1783
01:01:23,577 --> 01:01:25,726
The little pocket behind the leg that we're

1784
01:01:25,726 --> 01:01:27,796
all all top, but we're talking with the

1785
01:01:27,796 --> 01:01:29,802
legs straight up and down. And just an

1786
01:01:29,802 --> 01:01:32,197
inch or 2 behind it and preferably the

1787
01:01:32,197 --> 01:01:33,793
deer cor for just a little bit.

1788
01:01:35,548 --> 01:01:36,447
About trailing

1789
01:01:37,639 --> 01:01:38,139
And

1790
01:01:38,599 --> 01:01:40,519
just a bunch of... He's he's got a

1791
01:01:40,519 --> 01:01:42,519
bunch of what I call An anecdotes kind

1792
01:01:42,519 --> 01:01:44,440
of many stories to back up his points

1793
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:46,608
in their So just full of it. And

1794
01:01:46,608 --> 01:01:47,963
then the rest of the book, he gets

1795
01:01:47,963 --> 01:01:49,636
into other methods, you know, ambush hunting and

1796
01:01:49,636 --> 01:01:50,353
things like that,

1797
01:01:51,150 --> 01:01:52,400
talks range finder

1798
01:01:52,918 --> 01:01:55,153
were not invented then, or laser range finder.

1799
01:01:55,393 --> 01:01:56,989
It was the optical range finder and I

1800
01:01:56,989 --> 01:01:57,469
actually had 1,

1801
01:01:58,347 --> 01:02:00,661
where you, like, you you you turn the

1802
01:02:00,661 --> 01:02:01,721
wheel and the image

1803
01:02:02,666 --> 01:02:04,253
it's it's like a... When you focus a

1804
01:02:04,253 --> 01:02:04,570
camera,

1805
01:02:05,442 --> 01:02:07,607
when it comes into focus, you could

1806
01:02:07,980 --> 01:02:10,296
tell the yard, but, honestly, it it always

1807
01:02:10,296 --> 01:02:11,728
felt like it was plus or minus 7

1808
01:02:11,728 --> 01:02:13,478
yards. You know, they weren't that close. He

1809
01:02:13,478 --> 01:02:15,569
talks about that in there and

1810
01:02:16,899 --> 01:02:18,035
backpack hunting

1811
01:02:18,743 --> 01:02:21,998
things like that, just just good classic dwight

1812
01:02:21,998 --> 01:02:25,411
shoes stuff. So I really think unless you

1813
01:02:25,411 --> 01:02:26,070
have just

1814
01:02:26,539 --> 01:02:29,726
killed 5 of the last 5 big that

1815
01:02:29,726 --> 01:02:31,718
you pointed a bow at. I think it's

1816
01:02:31,718 --> 01:02:33,551
worth your time to jump on Amazon.

1817
01:02:34,363 --> 01:02:36,833
Fine. Hunting open country mule by Dwight shoe.

1818
01:02:37,072 --> 01:02:39,302
Maybe you've got it on your shelf. Go

1819
01:02:39,302 --> 01:02:42,345
read at least those chapters, but but you're

1820
01:02:42,664 --> 01:02:44,257
you're wise to read the whole thing. I

1821
01:02:44,257 --> 01:02:45,532
think it'll make you better pull.

1822
01:02:46,329 --> 01:02:49,276
Okay, everybody. Hope that was helpful and have

1823
01:02:49,276 --> 01:02:51,520
a great seller. Talk to you on next

1824
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:51,679
episode.

1825
01:02:52,791 --> 01:02:54,222
With the help of sports men and women

1826
01:02:54,222 --> 01:02:56,605
and concerned citizens we can defeat the hunting

1827
01:02:56,605 --> 01:02:58,590
bands here in Colorado. Go to say the

1828
01:02:58,590 --> 01:03:00,418
hunt colorado dot com. Thanks for listening.