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yeah, me too? For archer. Archer tree season

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North slopes. Maybe Northeast, maybe Northwest. Facing. Right?

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consistently on those slopes. I'm like, yeah. I...

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Powered Alright, everyone. We made it to another

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Tuesday. I'm Sam Weaver. Host up today's Tips

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Tuesday. A short segment covering rock slide dot

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com tidbits. Hunting news from across the west,

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which with just a sprinkling of tips and

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tricks to keep you well informed for your

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next adventure. I don't know where you all

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live, but this July is a burner, and

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it seems like when we get rain, it's

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a whole bunch of all at once. I've

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been dealing with flash flooding, mud slides. And

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down rocks at work, and it's been really

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impacting my scouting. As I turn my attention

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to East scouting on my lunch periods, I

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I needed to up my game, and that's

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when I started hearing all about this es

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scouting program. So let's jump right into it.

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Today's feature guest is marked let us say

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like a lot of listeners, Mark spent a

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ton of time each fall commuting to Elk

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country. With limited opportunity for boots on the

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ground, mark docked head first in the East

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scouting. Over the decades of trial and error,

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mark has collected what works, and more importantly,

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why it works and compiled all that information

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into Tree line Academy. So without any further

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ado. Welcome to the show, mark. Say T

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Sam's good to be on. We've been trying

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to work this out for a while. Our

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schedules are... You would take the summertime would

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be a lot easier, but you like, caught

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me like at the worst moment if everything

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it was going on, and Anyway, it's been

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crazy, but I'm glad to be aren't really

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glad to be on. Yeah. Me, too. It's

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the perfect time to catch up with you

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there. Ta to you Scouting. I mean, now

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is the time to to get prep for...

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Archer season even into gun season. It's funny

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how Sam you said it. Right? Now is

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the time. To be honest, June would have

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been a better time. And Archer July is

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still not too late, but you wouldn't believe

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this, but my number 1 sales month for

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my course and for my toolkit is August.

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Which is me, I'm glad to sell courses,

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but August is a little late in the

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game. If you're thinking about planning Elk outcomes

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and it's August, you're not too late to

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the party, but you're getting really late in

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the game. If you're going to do it

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at a in at at a very high

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level... You we talked about this red for

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We jumped On, Sam emma, You signed it

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for my course, you got in there and

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you've immediately looked at how many hours that

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it was and you're, like, holy crap. And

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guess my best advice is, you know, if

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you want something that summary

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that doesn't get into the details and doesn't

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get into the weeds and doesn't go through

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every little single detail. And probably my course

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is not for you. But if you wanna

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improve your odds to fighting out, if you

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want to take your success rates up a

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little, if you live for the days, you

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get to Hunt elk, and you wanna make

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sure you go into the mountains as prepared

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as you possibly could be that guys, the

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details matter. I mean, every... All the details

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matter. You know, I say this all the

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I was saying. And 1 of the things

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is there's only 2 ways to become a

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better a o'connor or owner. It's experience or

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its education. You gotta be more knowledgeable or

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you gotta gain more experience well. If we

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hunt 10 days a year or 14 days

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a year or 7 days a year, that's

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the only experience window we have. And when

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you look at guys, like, myself, which I'm

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lucky. I'll be honest, but I don't class

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myself is a is a great Western Honor.

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I'm I'm good, but I'm certainly not great.

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of the better owners in North America. The

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dude gets to hunt. We battle it out

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each year for who wants the most days.

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So he hunts a hundred days a year.

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and somebody hunts 10 days a year, they

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get 10 times more experience than you do.

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curve, but where you can cut the gap

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is expanding your knowledge base. And that's kind

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where I come in. It's trying to teach

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how to use technology,

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how to look for certain feature to define

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Elk and create some tools that can help

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them, maximize the technology tools that they already

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at like Google earth Pro and other applications.

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and that's kinda of where I focus on.

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Well I gotta tell you 1 of the

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reasons that I signed up for your classes

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shoe part. My dad drew a great Elk

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tag in Utah here. I'm familiar with the

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unit. But it makes me a little nervous

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that, you know, I went to scout it,

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actually this past weekend there, and I went

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to all the places I already knew. Like,

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I already know that there's out there. I

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find myself, like, in a rut. I'm like,

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thing and and instead of looking where I

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know A are, try to find places where...

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the other thing is... Not.

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I drew a Wyoming note tag. And now

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that I'm so focused on trying to help

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my dad, get 1 of these limited entry,

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Utah tags because they're so special like neglected

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Wyoming

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altogether. So I have, like, 3 spots in

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Wyoming. And as you know, 3 spots, might

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as well have no spots. If you've got

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3 spots, you need to make sure they

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are fully

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developed in my opinion. I mean, you gotta

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know everything there is a no about those

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recent. Spots. If you're gonna go in with

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I spent the time, and I really felt

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like I have fl out bots every angle

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of those spots.

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know, let's back up to that. I hear

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this all the time. Well, you know, I've

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been hunting hundred and 20 elk for 20

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year in market. You know, I got a

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lot of experience, but, you know, we've always

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had elk camp. We always go to this

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spot. My grandfather out there. My dad had

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there. Eye on there. And... But now it's

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just not what it used to be, or

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I'm not finding elk, like we used to

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or whatever you're all the time. Well, if

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there's anything I'm good at, Developing new elk

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spots for 2 reasons. Number 1, I'm originally

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from Missouri. Okay. So I spent my first

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26 or 7 years elk cutting. Traveling from

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Missouri out to the Western states. 27 years

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not in a row. I missed 2 years

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about cutting out of those 27.

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living out here, and so I've been immersed

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in it. Well, but not only did I

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have to learn how the You've got because

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is I never have the same place twice.

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hand. There's been 1 place. I've been to

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and my wife in there, and I knew

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we could get on Elk immediately. But when

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it comes to my hunting, I'm a new

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guy. I love glass screener. I love developing

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new places. I love going to new places.

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Now my honey partners get all kinda worked

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up about it. Like, we went to this

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plot spot. It was incredible. And they're like,

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hey, next year. We're gonna do this. This

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I said, no. No No. We're not coming

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back. We're not coming back. But they're, like,

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what? I'm like, oh, that's not the way.

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I don't play that game. We hunt it.

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constantly developing new places for 30 years I've

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been doing the same thing. And

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in most years, I have somewhere between 3

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to 5 lt techs. So with multiple states

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at play, multiple tags and hunting only new

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spots You have no choice, but to get

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better at it. So really, that was the

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impetus behind the creation of this this system

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that I have, and really, to be honest,

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the reason I created it. You know,

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odd I... Because I get to run this

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podcast a little bit, but I'm pretty technology,

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and that was 1 of the things that

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really stuck out when I heard you talking

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in a different podcast

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was that if you're using 1 app, then

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you're really handicap yourself and note. And I

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use 1 app. I obviously Von x, they're

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a sponsor this podcast. But I I was

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like, what am I missing here? And then,

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you know, you talk about Google Earth, while

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10 years to even look at anything. Oh,

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really torque my interest of. Oh, what you're

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making me... What am I? You're making me

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cry here. So I'm just gonna be bold?

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Could I be bold on this podcast? Oh

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and you're not using Google Earth pro to

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its maximum capabilities, you are automatically.

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I mean, automatically, no exceptions every time guaranteed

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you're at a disadvantage. I mean, you are

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disadvantage. Not just a little dis disadvantage for

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lots of reasons, and it's not just because

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it's another app. There is no aerial imagery

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better quality than Google. 3 d, there's no

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3 d better than Google Earth. The rotation,

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key strokes, nothing's better. The elevation exaggeration, the

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terrain capture,

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nothing better. The historical, being able to look

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back at the dates of the imagery. No

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other app has it. The profile analysis for

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root planning. For looking at glass spots for

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view shed, for doing fly over drone tours.

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these things But most importantly, what Google can

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So in my datasets sets, for example, that

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I built, I have 4 different levels of

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top maps. I have all the fires for

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40 years. I have all the catalog allot,

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all the road, all the public lands, all

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the unit boundaries everything, is it been included

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into Google. So you can have 2 monitors

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open, Sam, you can be looking at On

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x, which Guys. 90 80 percent of people

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use On it. It's a great app. Great

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app. I use it, but it's it's 1

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tool in my toolbox, though. 1. And Google

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earth is another 1. But the thing about

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Google Earth is you can't take it in

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the field. Right? It's only for pre hunt

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work. It's only for east scouting. It's only

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for hunt planning. And then you gotta make

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sure your data is lined up in your

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hunting app before you go into the, you

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know, offline type environment. But I just wanna

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emphasize this that people have kinda gotten away

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from Google Earth because all these apps have

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made things easier, and I'm just gonna use

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it. Well, that's fine. You can get it

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done, saying you can get it done and

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was just at the Western Hood, and I

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said, it's good enough. It's good enough. Now,

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when it comes to Elk cutting, You know

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what good enough is, I that's a 6

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percent success rate. In Montana, Archer Diy public

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plan is about 6 percent success rate. That's

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good enough. I don't wanna be a good

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enough elk color. I don't nod. I I

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hope to kill an elk every year, but

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I don't would just be honest. Now most

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years I do, but there's a lot of

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years I haven't.

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But if you wanna

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not be in the 6... You gotta quit

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acting like 6 percent. Meaning, if you wanna

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be average, keep acting like average Joe cutter,

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and the average jail cutter in my opinion

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is singular app focused or what I call

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1 dimensional. They use 1 app, they learn

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a few basic things and they get by

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and it's good enough. But like you just

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said, Sam, your dad's got this special tag.

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So you've been working on now you've got

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this Wyoming

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situation. And I feel like you're kinda in

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the good enough stand right now. Right? Oh,

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it's good enough. But just with a little

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bit of work, and you don't have to

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make this crazy.

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But with a little bit of extra work

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and learn how to use some of these

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tools, you can really expand what you're doing.

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From home, you know, guys always say, well,

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I like boots on the ground... I do

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2 guys, but here's the reality. If you

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go for a weekend, a boots on the

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ground like you did maybe did for your

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dad. You're gonna spend 2 or 3 days.

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You're gonna cover so many miles, and that's

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it. Right? If you took the same amount

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of that you spent on that trip, day

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and night, the hours that you spent, if

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you transform that to east counting only and

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using some of the techniques that that... That

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I talk about, you would be miles

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ahead. And where you'll ever be boots on

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the ground. Now in order to do that,

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you have to use some specialized tools like

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you have to have the best imagery available

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You have to have the best top geographic

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scanned top maps that are available, and they

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are not available in on x. I'm sorry.

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They do not have the best top grabbing

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map. And they certainly do not have the

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best area imagery. How many times have you

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looked it on and scenes snow. I wish

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they get rid of that, but it's a

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fact. But When it comes to public lands,

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It comes to private lands and it comes

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with motor vehicles. They are the king. Audits

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is the king in some of these components.

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Right? But others, they're good. The guys don't

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get me wrong. The image quality is good.

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The top map is good. But remember what

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I just said. That's good enough. But it's

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not the best. And when it comes to

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evaluating spots, I want the best because I

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know we're behind the gun when it comes

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to

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success rates. It's it's very difficult to kill

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it out with the bow arrow,

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especially if you cannot find elk. I don't

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care how good a shot you are, I

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don't care how fit you are. I don't

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care how many days you have. I don't

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care about any of that. If you lack

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the ability to consistently find elk. You're not

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going to kill out. And that's really the

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the crux for a lot of hunters. They

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get super fit. They should bose every day,

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which pay. That... That's all important. But it

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means nothing. If you can't put yourself in

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a place that has Elk. Well, like I

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said, I know for me, most of the

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time I could find Elk. The real question

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is. And I have a spot. Every time

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I go in there is Elk. But that

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spot not gonna... If another guy's in there,

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they could blow that whole spot out. Then

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what am I gonna do with my dad?

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You know what I mean? That's what I'd

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say guy wearing out, like, they're... I gotta

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do something different. Just to have the confidence

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level going into that. I mean, don't put

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all your eggs in 1 basket, I guess.

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That's right. So so many guys do that.

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Like, and there's nothing wrong with that guy,

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You know, there's nothing better. You know when

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I told you I'm a new spot guy.

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Right? Well, that's 1 of the reason I

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don't kill out every year. I'm just gonna

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be honest with you. When I'm developing new

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place every year. I never learn it. I

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never historically learned it. I only learn it

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digitally. And I go in and a hunt,

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I find out every single time but not

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maybe not every time, but the point is

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very consistently, but there is something to be

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said for learning an area and becoming, kinda

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1 with it. Like you said, you know

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place that you can go and you could

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find out. Guys, that's a great way to

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hunt out. And that's a very successful way

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to hunt out. That's just not my way.

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My way is I love the adventure say

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I love going to new country. I love

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seeing new new things. That's just my personality.

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And... But if you take my approaches,

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to develop new areas and you apply it

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to your scenario. So you have backup pump

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plans at secondary hunt plans, or maybe you

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wanna try a new spot for some reason,

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maybe you're seeing bulls and you got plenty

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of help, but maybe you're just not finding

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the 3 fifties or you're not finding a

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03:60 or You're not whatever. Maybe you don't

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really care. Maybe you just want to meet,

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everybody has difficult different objectives. But if you're

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trying to develop a new spot or you're

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trying to maybe increase your ability to find

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more out more consistently. That's maybe where some

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of my tools and tactics come in. Why

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don't you take the opportunity right now to

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just kinda walk us through in your program?

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I know we kinda handed that it's that

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it's all encompassing, But Just kinda give us

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the the chapter titles, I guess, and give

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us kind of an idea of what's in

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there. Okay. Well, let's just do this. I

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think the best approach is. I've looked at

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my course and I see which modules guys

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are taking and which ones are skipping. Right?

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I... It shocks me every time. Right? So

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the first thing in my course, and I'm

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actually work on Version 2 right now because

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you know the technology world. Everything changes is

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so freaky fast. So a lot of the

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stuff that's in there related to the different

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apps.

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Needs to be updated and I'm working on

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that. And I've got new tools. There's new

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tools that have come out. And I've developed

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these tool kits. Sense it's come out. So

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but let me back up. So when it

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really comes down to what everybody said, well,

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how do I find more out? Well there's

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a lot to that and the course covers

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it beginning the from technology,

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all the tools to zones of pressure, how

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hunters are gonna be using your area, to

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the elk finding features to through custom markup,

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and then finally preparing a written written hot

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plan. It kinda goes full scope, but the

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core of the course And this is probably

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the most important kinda takeaway in the time

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we have that I could share with you

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is there are 12 core principles.

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That I use when it comes to finding

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out. And

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I'm gonna pull up my slide. I was

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actually... I'm working on my presentation right now,

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for the Elk tour that I got coming

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up in boise this coming weekend. There are

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12 core elk finding features that's in the

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course that I look for

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when I tried to find out. Oh, for

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example, so many dudes tell me all the

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time, hey, I look for north slopes. I'm

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like, me too. For archer. Hearts tree sees

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north slopes. Maybe Northeast, maybe Northwest facing. Right?

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And they're like, I just find more out

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consistently on those slopes I'm like, yeah. I...

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There's reasons for that, better moisture, cooler temperatures,

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less bugs. There's lots of reasons, but they're

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not always on the north. Slope. Now, North

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slope is 1 of my prime features. I'm

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just gonna be honest. I'd like North slope

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for that time of year, but it's only

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1 of the... It's not even 1 of

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the 12. It's 1 of the segments of

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the 12. I'm gonna run through those 12,

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but I wanna give you an example of

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that slope because I hear guys say that

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all the time. I love north slopes. Or

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I like to have... I like to find

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benches. Well, me too, but they have to

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be certain benches, not just a bench. Other

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guys like, I love to hunt Elk fire.

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You know, I like historical fires that are

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3 years old or whatever. I'm like, sort

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lie, but they have to be they're part

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of the 12. They're not singular.

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Just because it's a fire doesn't mean I'm

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going hunt. So what... What I mean by

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that is, I'm looking at all the access

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points in the area. They have to be

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at a certain pressure volume

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that I'm that I like. I like to

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hunt less pressured out. That doesn't mean you

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can't hunt pressured elk can be successful. I

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like to hunt less pressured out, So I

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spend a lot of time and the 3

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core elk finding features in my course are

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related to pressure. Says point evaluation, established trail

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use.

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Evaluation, and then a complete pressure zone analysis.

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I teach the manual method in the course,

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but I'm getting ready to introduce the digital

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method because there are some tools now that

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we're not available 4 years ago that allow

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you to do it. So what that basically

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does, those first 3 breaks down a hunt

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area, and it helps you visualize

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where the pressure is going be coming from

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and how they're gonna use that area. And

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everybody's like, how do you do that? You'll

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be shot at some of the simple tools

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are available that will help you do that.

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The high resolution imagery that's available. You can't

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do it in on x, you can't do

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it in gaia. You can't do it and

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go on. Can't do it Spartan. You have

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to do it in Google Earth pro because

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you need that ultra high resolution imagery. So

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that's the first 3. Then I have meadows

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of feeding. So plea help like to use

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meadows. They like to have openers for beating.

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So that's 1 of the important features. I

514
00:18:23,704 --> 00:18:25,714
have 12 rules. Well, actually, I'm sorry I

515
00:18:25,714 --> 00:18:27,544
have 10 rules that I follow for meadows.

516
00:18:27,782 --> 00:18:29,930
That's in that section. Hence Creek and dr

517
00:18:29,930 --> 00:18:32,238
obsolete, canyon and drainage are important to out,

518
00:18:32,397 --> 00:18:34,982
well only certain ones. And how do you

519
00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:36,875
those those ones? That's 1 of the 12.

520
00:18:37,194 --> 00:18:39,427
The fires. That's another. We just talked about

521
00:18:39,427 --> 00:18:42,059
fires and logging areas help love those areas,

522
00:18:42,378 --> 00:18:45,186
but it's only 1. Beetle kills, elk glove

523
00:18:45,186 --> 00:18:48,059
beetle kills, but they like certain aged beetle

524
00:18:48,059 --> 00:18:50,294
kills. They don't like mature beetle kills where

525
00:18:50,294 --> 00:18:52,541
the tree stacked up like cord wood. Now

526
00:18:52,541 --> 00:18:55,163
they'll use them in high pressure situations. But

527
00:18:55,163 --> 00:18:57,069
if all things being equal, they do not

528
00:18:57,069 --> 00:18:59,373
like that stuff being edge habitat. I mean,

529
00:18:59,532 --> 00:19:01,518
I'm really big on edge habitat, but it's

530
00:19:01,518 --> 00:19:03,675
1 of the 12. I look for edge

531
00:19:03,675 --> 00:19:05,897
habitats and I look for the features that

532
00:19:05,897 --> 00:19:07,960
are attracted to help in those edge habitats.

533
00:19:08,277 --> 00:19:09,943
Benches. We talked about that just a second

534
00:19:09,943 --> 00:19:11,872
ago. I look for benches, and they have

535
00:19:11,872 --> 00:19:13,409
to have very specific

536
00:19:14,746 --> 00:19:15,863
features for me. They have to be on

537
00:19:15,863 --> 00:19:17,859
the right slope angle, and they have to

538
00:19:17,859 --> 00:19:19,855
have the right steep below them and above

539
00:19:19,855 --> 00:19:21,722
them. And they have to be the right

540
00:19:22,174 --> 00:19:25,032
position on the slope meaning above halfway. When

541
00:19:25,190 --> 00:19:26,857
I find beach binge benches that meet the

542
00:19:26,857 --> 00:19:29,733
criteria, I get real excited about those, because

543
00:19:29,733 --> 00:19:31,191
those are really, really

544
00:19:32,048 --> 00:19:35,002
solid historical use features for l. Slope orientation.

545
00:19:35,242 --> 00:19:37,158
We talked about that north facing northeast,

546
00:19:37,637 --> 00:19:40,602
northwest facing slopes. During archer, maybe a little

547
00:19:40,602 --> 00:19:43,153
more south facing during late season. I also

548
00:19:43,153 --> 00:19:46,362
focus on the steep. Helped prefer certain steep

549
00:19:46,914 --> 00:19:49,951
about 20 degrees. They're very dialed in that

550
00:19:49,951 --> 00:19:52,188
steep. So I I spent a lot of

551
00:19:52,188 --> 00:19:54,346
time looking at slope steep in my area

552
00:19:54,346 --> 00:19:56,593
and finding pockets that are in the ranges

553
00:19:56,593 --> 00:19:58,264
that Elk, all the studies that have been

554
00:19:58,264 --> 00:20:01,287
done show out prefer this certain steep. And

555
00:20:01,287 --> 00:20:03,394
then I looked for elevation I isolate

556
00:20:03,775 --> 00:20:05,535
elevations that the oakland wouldn't be at at

557
00:20:05,535 --> 00:20:07,375
the time of year I'm hunting. So that's

558
00:20:07,375 --> 00:20:09,775
all included in that 1 those slope segments.

559
00:20:10,108 --> 00:20:12,415
Out and funnels like, you know, obviously, they

560
00:20:12,415 --> 00:20:14,563
they'll do you saddle and funnels and travel

561
00:20:14,563 --> 00:20:17,203
corridors. That's 1. And then finally water, I

562
00:20:17,203 --> 00:20:18,714
don't spend a lot of time on water

563
00:20:18,714 --> 00:20:20,964
in most on areas. If I'm hunting Wyoming

564
00:20:21,021 --> 00:20:22,771
in most parts of Wyoming, Idaho,

565
00:20:23,248 --> 00:20:23,567
Montana.

566
00:20:24,617 --> 00:20:26,609
I don't really worry about water all that

567
00:20:26,609 --> 00:20:27,963
much real because they could find it and

568
00:20:27,963 --> 00:20:29,636
they know where it is. But it states

569
00:20:29,636 --> 00:20:32,186
like New Mexico, Nevada Utah maybe in some

570
00:20:32,186 --> 00:20:34,509
areas. Water is a big deal. And so

571
00:20:34,509 --> 00:20:36,572
water becomes more important in some areas. But

572
00:20:36,572 --> 00:20:38,715
so to recap, those are 12 of the

573
00:20:38,715 --> 00:20:40,778
things that I evaluate every hunt area for.

574
00:20:40,937 --> 00:20:42,127
And what I'm looking for,

575
00:20:42,698 --> 00:20:45,715
is areas that have multiples of those. For

576
00:20:45,715 --> 00:20:47,407
example, if I find an area

577
00:20:48,018 --> 00:20:50,559
that matches 6 or 7 of those 12,

578
00:20:50,798 --> 00:20:51,774
I get very

579
00:20:52,084 --> 00:20:53,437
I know for sure I'm gonna find out

580
00:20:53,437 --> 00:20:55,348
there. But if I find only... If I'm

581
00:20:55,348 --> 00:20:57,338
looking only at North slopes. I get a

582
00:20:57,338 --> 00:20:59,089
very good chance Of not finding out to

583
00:20:59,089 --> 00:21:01,016
be totally honest with you. If I only

584
00:21:01,016 --> 00:21:03,487
get singular focused on slope only. But when

585
00:21:03,646 --> 00:21:04,842
I look at the right meadows, I look

586
00:21:04,842 --> 00:21:06,356
at the right canyon, I look for the

587
00:21:06,356 --> 00:21:08,030
right benches and I find the right slopes.

588
00:21:08,365 --> 00:21:10,045
And it's... Maybe it's the right beetle killer,

589
00:21:10,125 --> 00:21:12,045
or maybe it's the right fire, and the

590
00:21:12,045 --> 00:21:14,525
pressure is, it meets the standards. All these

591
00:21:14,525 --> 00:21:15,404
things combine,

592
00:21:15,979 --> 00:21:17,815
to what I call stack the odds in

593
00:21:17,815 --> 00:21:20,369
your favor. And that's really the core of

594
00:21:20,369 --> 00:21:22,545
my course is taking these 12

595
00:21:22,923 --> 00:21:24,621
core out finding features

596
00:21:25,015 --> 00:21:27,494
and teaching hunters how to stack them up

597
00:21:27,494 --> 00:21:29,275
or how to evaluate them

598
00:21:30,134 --> 00:21:32,269
in certain areas so that they're putting more

599
00:21:32,389 --> 00:21:34,863
they're increasing their odds of running into L.

600
00:21:35,183 --> 00:21:36,539
You know, I read a study 1 time

601
00:21:36,539 --> 00:21:39,274
that said that L only in inhabit, 10

602
00:21:39,333 --> 00:21:40,450
percent of the habitat,

603
00:21:40,945 --> 00:21:43,105
that is acceptable for l. So in the

604
00:21:43,105 --> 00:21:43,345
west,

605
00:21:43,984 --> 00:21:46,545
D percent of the area that's perfect for

606
00:21:46,545 --> 00:21:49,184
l. Perfect. Doesn't have l. It's crazy to

607
00:21:49,184 --> 00:21:51,750
think about that. Only 10 percent.

608
00:21:52,704 --> 00:21:54,614
And it's... I has found over the years

609
00:21:54,614 --> 00:21:56,603
that it pretty relates to these 12 core

610
00:21:56,603 --> 00:21:58,533
finding feature. Now, I'm not, you know, I'm

611
00:21:58,533 --> 00:22:00,211
not saying I know everything about it. I'm

612
00:22:00,211 --> 00:22:02,688
just saying that over 30 years of hunting

613
00:22:02,688 --> 00:22:04,685
the way I just explained. I have found

614
00:22:04,765 --> 00:22:06,926
Elk... And just about hundred percent of the

615
00:22:06,926 --> 00:22:08,911
places I go, I wouldn't say a hundred

616
00:22:08,911 --> 00:22:09,888
let's say 90

617
00:22:10,420 --> 00:22:13,119
because I really am dialed to these these

618
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,677
12 core features. And when I try to

619
00:22:15,677 --> 00:22:17,984
shortcut it or I try to go for

620
00:22:17,984 --> 00:22:19,893
just because it's a fire or just because

621
00:22:19,893 --> 00:22:23,089
it's a beetle kill. I... I always am...

622
00:22:23,963 --> 00:22:26,586
Not always, but I always find that it's

623
00:22:26,586 --> 00:22:27,700
not as good as I thought it would

624
00:22:27,700 --> 00:22:30,243
be. But when I find places that stack

625
00:22:30,243 --> 00:22:30,482
up.

626
00:22:31,054 --> 00:22:32,410
And have 678

627
00:22:32,410 --> 00:22:34,404
of these even. You're never gonna find a

628
00:22:34,404 --> 00:22:36,159
place that has... It's not gonna happen. It's

629
00:22:36,159 --> 00:22:38,232
the holy grail of oli grail. It's not

630
00:22:38,232 --> 00:22:39,987
gonna happen, but you certainly are gonna find

631
00:22:39,987 --> 00:22:43,272
places that get 78888

632
00:22:43,272 --> 00:22:44,947
of these features. Does that make sense? Well,

633
00:22:45,027 --> 00:22:47,180
yeah. And I I think, like, that's for

634
00:22:47,180 --> 00:22:48,457
a lot of people that come from the

635
00:22:48,616 --> 00:22:50,825
Midwest and only get 7, maybe 10 days

636
00:22:50,944 --> 00:22:53,257
you know, elk countries intimidating because it's so

637
00:22:53,257 --> 00:22:54,692
big. Right. And I'd like the way that

638
00:22:54,692 --> 00:22:56,845
you just put it. You know, to me,

639
00:22:57,164 --> 00:22:58,918
each 1 of these 12 things is a

640
00:22:58,918 --> 00:23:01,002
ring on the target. Right? So when you

641
00:23:01,002 --> 00:23:02,590
get 1, you throw the ring down, the

642
00:23:02,590 --> 00:23:04,177
more you get the more rings you throw

643
00:23:04,177 --> 00:23:06,002
down and the tighter that area gets and

644
00:23:06,002 --> 00:23:08,323
the tighter gets, so the more... You stack

645
00:23:08,323 --> 00:23:10,477
on there, the more likely you aren't to

646
00:23:10,477 --> 00:23:13,030
busy route into that area. That dude... That's

647
00:23:13,030 --> 00:23:14,706
exactly right. I didn't say it that way,

648
00:23:14,866 --> 00:23:16,711
but you're... What you're doing is you're taking

649
00:23:16,711 --> 00:23:18,937
a potential hunt area and you're evaluating it

650
00:23:18,937 --> 00:23:20,766
for these features, but you're also going 1

651
00:23:20,766 --> 00:23:23,174
step further by marking and labeling.

652
00:23:23,644 --> 00:23:25,964
These features with certain icons and colors. Right?

653
00:23:26,365 --> 00:23:28,764
Your screen, which I talk a lot about,

654
00:23:29,005 --> 00:23:31,659
called custom markets. Your screen starts just speak

655
00:23:31,659 --> 00:23:33,896
to you Sam. It becomes obvious where you

656
00:23:33,896 --> 00:23:35,734
need to go. Does that make sense? You've

657
00:23:35,734 --> 00:23:38,071
got, like, all these features and they're all

658
00:23:38,210 --> 00:23:38,610
clustered,

659
00:23:39,024 --> 00:23:40,539
over here in this part, You're like, well,

660
00:23:40,778 --> 00:23:42,533
that makes sense. That's where I need to

661
00:23:42,533 --> 00:23:44,925
start, and it just starts to speak to

662
00:23:44,925 --> 00:23:46,919
you if you you take that approach now.

663
00:23:47,238 --> 00:23:48,329
If you just drop

664
00:23:48,769 --> 00:23:51,405
see of random, red icons, and you don't

665
00:23:51,405 --> 00:23:53,163
take the time to use icons or colors

666
00:23:53,163 --> 00:23:55,855
or have any methodology. It's just a see

667
00:23:55,974 --> 00:23:57,490
and when you look at it, it doesn't

668
00:23:57,490 --> 00:23:59,165
speak to you. It doesn't give you a

669
00:23:59,165 --> 00:23:59,665
visual

670
00:24:00,601 --> 00:24:03,409
representation of what you're looking at. So... That's

671
00:24:03,409 --> 00:24:05,803
a whole another chapter in my court... That

672
00:24:05,883 --> 00:24:08,277
I've spent a lot of time on custom

673
00:24:08,277 --> 00:24:12,601
markets, colors, priorities, and icons. And a combination

674
00:24:12,601 --> 00:24:14,435
of those 3 are a big key to

675
00:24:14,435 --> 00:24:16,668
my hunt planning, and and he's getting work.

676
00:24:17,146 --> 00:24:19,060
Because I wanna look at the screen, and

677
00:24:19,140 --> 00:24:20,894
I wanted to tell what I'm looking at,

678
00:24:21,069 --> 00:24:22,848
I don't wanna just to be ACA orange

679
00:24:22,907 --> 00:24:24,186
where ACA red. And

680
00:24:24,745 --> 00:24:26,423
and so there's a whole methodology to that

681
00:24:26,423 --> 00:24:29,060
as well. But your your analysis is exactly

682
00:24:29,060 --> 00:24:31,546
right. We are just... We're pitching down a

683
00:24:31,546 --> 00:24:34,489
hunt area to hopefully get zeroed in on

684
00:24:34,489 --> 00:24:36,637
very specific areas that we wanna look at

685
00:24:36,637 --> 00:24:38,726
first. That doesn't mean we're not gonna go

686
00:24:38,726 --> 00:24:40,801
over to some other areas that have maybe

687
00:24:40,801 --> 00:24:43,275
less features, but we certainly wanna start with

688
00:24:43,275 --> 00:24:45,923
areas that have the most features. The more

689
00:24:45,923 --> 00:24:47,998
they have better the odds of running into

690
00:24:48,158 --> 00:24:49,993
Elk at least in my experience. Alright. We

691
00:24:49,993 --> 00:24:52,068
wanna plan the odds times limited. You know,

692
00:24:52,228 --> 00:24:54,239
you go their best spot first. You grind

693
00:24:54,239 --> 00:24:55,837
your way through it. I mean, anything can

694
00:24:55,837 --> 00:24:57,275
happen too. You don't know. You could have

695
00:24:57,275 --> 00:25:00,071
a fire. You could have somebody else that's

696
00:25:00,071 --> 00:25:01,924
in your spot before you get there. It

697
00:25:01,924 --> 00:25:04,153
can be super frustrating, you know, public land,

698
00:25:04,392 --> 00:25:06,622
no holes barred. Like I said, for me,

699
00:25:06,781 --> 00:25:09,192
personally, I look forward to just that technology

700
00:25:09,329 --> 00:25:11,738
aspect of, you know, learning how to put

701
00:25:11,738 --> 00:25:13,736
these pins on their, color coordinating because I

702
00:25:13,736 --> 00:25:15,174
could tell you right now, that's not something

703
00:25:15,174 --> 00:25:17,491
that I'm good at. Right? Like I that's

704
00:25:17,491 --> 00:25:18,770
1 of the things that I struggle at.

705
00:25:19,264 --> 00:25:20,782
Here's the thing, Chad. I'm a, you know,

706
00:25:20,942 --> 00:25:22,779
I'm gonna say this earlier. This is what

707
00:25:22,939 --> 00:25:24,457
I went into with Hunter. You. I talked

708
00:25:24,457 --> 00:25:25,895
to a thousand hunters every year.

709
00:25:26,784 --> 00:25:29,084
Because of speaking and everything... And I hear

710
00:25:29,084 --> 00:25:30,987
the same thing. Man, I work on my

711
00:25:30,987 --> 00:25:32,573
bow. I work on my bow. I shoot

712
00:25:32,573 --> 00:25:34,573
every day. I do all this stuff. These

713
00:25:34,573 --> 00:25:36,246
dudes could hit a pie at a hundred

714
00:25:36,246 --> 00:25:37,919
and 20 yards every time all the time.

715
00:25:38,078 --> 00:25:40,229
And I'm like, okay. Why do you shoot

716
00:25:40,229 --> 00:25:43,177
every day? You're already good. They love it.

717
00:25:43,416 --> 00:25:45,259
Right? Because mine used to do... I used

718
00:25:45,259 --> 00:25:46,927
to triathlon on Sam out of a great

719
00:25:46,927 --> 00:25:48,753
cyclist. Well, not... Let's not use the word

720
00:25:48,753 --> 00:25:50,421
great. Let's say that was a good. Let's

721
00:25:50,421 --> 00:25:52,263
say it was a good cyclist. Right? So

722
00:25:52,422 --> 00:25:54,567
I rode my bike all the freaky time.

723
00:25:54,964 --> 00:25:57,506
Well, guess what did not get better. My

724
00:25:57,506 --> 00:26:00,230
swimming and my running. Well, unfortunately,

725
00:26:00,699 --> 00:26:03,242
Triathlon is a 3 sport event. So I

726
00:26:03,242 --> 00:26:04,991
was I would get... I would tell everybody

727
00:26:04,991 --> 00:26:06,580
on the bike. But then I would get

728
00:26:06,580 --> 00:26:08,503
killed in the swim and the run. And

729
00:26:08,503 --> 00:26:10,335
when I finally figured out that I need

730
00:26:10,335 --> 00:26:12,645
to quit writing so much and start writing

731
00:26:12,645 --> 00:26:14,716
and start swimming all of a sudden, I

732
00:26:14,716 --> 00:26:17,839
started becoming a whole new next level. Triathlete.

733
00:26:18,079 --> 00:26:20,236
And that's what I'm saying to you Hunters.

734
00:26:20,556 --> 00:26:22,234
So many hunters are caught up and getting

735
00:26:22,234 --> 00:26:25,190
fit. They're caught up and getting just being

736
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:27,116
able to shoot the eyes out of snake

737
00:26:27,116 --> 00:26:29,821
in a hundred yards. Guys. That is great,

738
00:26:30,059 --> 00:26:32,366
but stop training your strengths,

739
00:26:32,858 --> 00:26:35,798
and start training your weaknesses. And I'm not

740
00:26:35,798 --> 00:26:37,228
picking on your understand, but you're... You just

741
00:26:37,228 --> 00:26:39,825
self proclaimed. 1 of your weaknesses maybe is

742
00:26:40,340 --> 00:26:43,195
expanding your toolkit. Right? You want you need

743
00:26:43,195 --> 00:26:45,020
to maybe think about adding a few more

744
00:26:45,020 --> 00:26:47,400
tools to your toolkit. Keep on x. It's

745
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:47,796
amazing.

746
00:26:48,209 --> 00:26:51,155
But add Google Earth, add Cal top. Add,

747
00:26:51,235 --> 00:26:53,226
you know, that maybe the Google earth, the

748
00:26:53,226 --> 00:26:54,978
tool kits that I have. Add a few

749
00:26:54,978 --> 00:26:57,862
things they're gonna really take, your hot planning

750
00:26:57,862 --> 00:26:58,978
and the way you look at your hunt

751
00:26:58,978 --> 00:27:01,052
areas to a whole new level, and then

752
00:27:01,052 --> 00:27:03,285
maybe seek out some education to kinda how

753
00:27:03,365 --> 00:27:05,519
I kinda put this together and apply it

754
00:27:05,519 --> 00:27:07,762
to your historical knowledge. So I run into

755
00:27:07,762 --> 00:27:08,951
a lot of hundred same, like you that

756
00:27:08,951 --> 00:27:10,536
have a lot of historic. You have a

757
00:27:10,536 --> 00:27:13,309
lot of experience hunting. Right? Well, you you

758
00:27:13,309 --> 00:27:15,948
probably forget. Why when you look at an

759
00:27:15,948 --> 00:27:17,541
area and you know you can go find

760
00:27:17,541 --> 00:27:20,010
out there, you don't really know why. You're

761
00:27:20,010 --> 00:27:21,922
just like Ryan Lambert. He looks at it

762
00:27:21,922 --> 00:27:23,276
and he like well, there's help there. Well

763
00:27:23,276 --> 00:27:25,205
why? I was asking him why because they

764
00:27:25,205 --> 00:27:26,162
just will. They're there.

765
00:27:27,039 --> 00:27:27,699
He doesn't

766
00:27:28,236 --> 00:27:30,229
subconsciously. You're you're evaluating it for a lot

767
00:27:30,229 --> 00:27:31,984
of things I just said. And you just

768
00:27:31,984 --> 00:27:33,833
don't realize it. You're looking at the low.

769
00:27:33,993 --> 00:27:35,745
If you're looking at the pitch. You're looking

770
00:27:35,745 --> 00:27:37,976
at the open terrain. You're looking at... You're

771
00:27:37,976 --> 00:27:40,605
just kinda making it the water, the how

772
00:27:40,605 --> 00:27:42,970
more... The moisture levels. You're kinda doing it

773
00:27:43,089 --> 00:27:44,836
in your own way, but you're not doing

774
00:27:44,836 --> 00:27:46,901
it with the methodology, you're just doing it

775
00:27:46,901 --> 00:27:49,442
from experience, which is fine. But a newer

776
00:27:49,442 --> 00:27:51,984
person, a newer western hunter. That's where they

777
00:27:51,984 --> 00:27:52,381
struggle.

778
00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:55,176
Because this ain't White tell hunting guys. I

779
00:27:55,176 --> 00:27:56,209
spent a lot of years cheese in White

780
00:27:56,209 --> 00:27:57,877
tail and this is not White tail honey.

781
00:27:58,115 --> 00:27:59,228
So a lot of guys come out in

782
00:27:59,307 --> 00:28:01,626
White tail and they get very discouraged. Because

783
00:28:01,626 --> 00:28:02,603
it's very difficult

784
00:28:03,057 --> 00:28:05,204
to find elk as compared to find white

785
00:28:05,204 --> 00:28:07,908
tail. Out, finding 200. It's white tail, not

786
00:28:07,908 --> 00:28:10,624
that easy. But Fighting Mite tel is not

787
00:28:10,624 --> 00:28:13,086
that hard. But Finding Health is not that

788
00:28:13,086 --> 00:28:15,388
simple for people that do not have experience

789
00:28:15,388 --> 00:28:16,818
at it. And so,

790
00:28:17,468 --> 00:28:18,900
most of the time when you talked to

791
00:28:18,900 --> 00:28:20,569
elk o'connor, they're always like, man. I didn't

792
00:28:20,569 --> 00:28:21,921
hardly see me out, or we just didn't

793
00:28:21,921 --> 00:28:23,750
run into help, or we just never heard

794
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:25,022
of beat the whole time we were there

795
00:28:25,022 --> 00:28:26,793
or It must have not been the rut

796
00:28:26,793 --> 00:28:28,231
or it must... Or all kinds of reasons.

797
00:28:28,631 --> 00:28:30,469
The moon phase was this, or the moon

798
00:28:30,469 --> 00:28:33,826
phase was that. Guys. The elk don't disappear

799
00:28:33,826 --> 00:28:35,758
on a full moon. Now, they get a

800
00:28:35,758 --> 00:28:38,315
little more difficult to deal with sometimes. You

801
00:28:38,315 --> 00:28:39,993
just gotta change your tactics a little bit,

802
00:28:40,313 --> 00:28:42,151
but they're still there, and they're still doing

803
00:28:42,151 --> 00:28:44,157
their yelp stuff. But you hear all these

804
00:28:44,157 --> 00:28:47,018
excuses. Right? And, it's mainly because they they

805
00:28:47,018 --> 00:28:48,925
kinda lack in the ability to find out,

806
00:28:49,164 --> 00:28:50,753
or at least they lack in the ability

807
00:28:50,753 --> 00:28:53,418
to break down areas. To find out or

808
00:28:53,557 --> 00:28:54,996
they get there and there's too many hunters.

809
00:28:55,155 --> 00:28:56,513
Or they get there and there's too many

810
00:28:56,513 --> 00:28:58,990
of that? Too many outfitters, guys... That never

811
00:28:58,990 --> 00:29:00,915
happens to me I'm not saying this never

812
00:29:00,915 --> 00:29:03,535
happened, but I spent so much time looking

813
00:29:03,535 --> 00:29:06,076
at pressure. I look at trails. I find

814
00:29:06,076 --> 00:29:08,636
out where outfit camps are. I study the

815
00:29:08,636 --> 00:29:11,028
trails themselves to find out if it's horse,

816
00:29:11,267 --> 00:29:13,420
livestock or foot traffic. I look at every

817
00:29:13,420 --> 00:29:15,333
trail head. I looked for horse corral. I

818
00:29:15,333 --> 00:29:17,340
looked for parking spots. I look for how

819
00:29:17,340 --> 00:29:19,832
many parking spots. I look for the road

820
00:29:19,889 --> 00:29:22,199
condition. I analyze the road condition from Google.

821
00:29:22,517 --> 00:29:24,508
I know so much about those trail heads

822
00:29:24,508 --> 00:29:26,036
when I get there. Feel like I've been

823
00:29:26,036 --> 00:29:29,377
there before. And that's next level evaluation. But

824
00:29:29,377 --> 00:29:31,445
if you take the time to do that

825
00:29:31,445 --> 00:29:33,605
level of analysis. I you're not gonna show

826
00:29:33,605 --> 00:29:35,771
up in very many places and be surprised

827
00:29:35,986 --> 00:29:37,811
with what's going on. Well what think the

828
00:29:37,811 --> 00:29:40,289
big thing for is like you just... Put

829
00:29:40,289 --> 00:29:42,210
the exclamation point on it, you have confidence

830
00:29:42,210 --> 00:29:43,890
when you go there. And I think like

831
00:29:43,890 --> 00:29:45,330
that's part of it, like, you know, when

832
00:29:45,410 --> 00:29:46,930
I go to my spot. I'm confident I'm

833
00:29:46,930 --> 00:29:48,721
gonna see We're not prospecting,

834
00:29:49,096 --> 00:29:50,688
you know, you need to have that confidence

835
00:29:50,688 --> 00:29:52,279
to stick it out because it might not

836
00:29:52,279 --> 00:29:54,189
be the first, but you might have to

837
00:29:54,189 --> 00:29:56,099
roll around. They might bug that 1 or

838
00:29:56,099 --> 00:29:58,105
2 days there. I love that word prospecting.

839
00:29:58,265 --> 00:29:59,302
You said it a couple of times. I'm

840
00:29:59,302 --> 00:30:00,896
almost steal that. I like that. That's a

841
00:30:00,896 --> 00:30:02,172
good word. I've I never really thought about

842
00:30:02,172 --> 00:30:04,246
it like that. But you're a perfect example

843
00:30:04,246 --> 00:30:05,840
because you have these places that you can

844
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,166
just... Hit hit hit. And you know you

845
00:30:08,166 --> 00:30:11,057
found out here before, and guys elk hit

846
00:30:11,274 --> 00:30:14,222
perpetually and historically used the same areas unless

847
00:30:14,222 --> 00:30:17,262
something changes, like you said. Pressure, maybe a

848
00:30:17,262 --> 00:30:18,853
new outfit or leases that gets that air.

849
00:30:19,012 --> 00:30:22,353
And whatever happens. Some habitat changes. Like you

850
00:30:22,353 --> 00:30:24,500
said a fire draws the there's a fire

851
00:30:24,500 --> 00:30:26,510
near by that draws the over there, or

852
00:30:26,510 --> 00:30:28,824
there's a beetle kill becomes too extensive and

853
00:30:28,824 --> 00:30:29,383
they move out,

854
00:30:30,101 --> 00:30:31,697
especially like in Wyoming god there's so many

855
00:30:31,697 --> 00:30:34,259
beetle kills. Right in Wyoming to Colorado going

856
00:30:34,259 --> 00:30:36,245
on right now. Right? It's gonna change. Telling

857
00:30:36,245 --> 00:30:38,390
you right now, guys, in Colorado and Wyoming.

858
00:30:38,549 --> 00:30:40,614
The landscape for Elk is gonna change over

859
00:30:40,614 --> 00:30:42,282
the next 10 years dramatically.

860
00:30:43,171 --> 00:30:45,318
Because of Beetle kill. Western fires are are

861
00:30:45,318 --> 00:30:46,988
doing the same. So you have to be

862
00:30:46,988 --> 00:30:49,691
able to adapt, and, the spots that we

863
00:30:49,691 --> 00:30:51,520
historically have gone to to find out, may

864
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:52,258
not always

865
00:30:52,650 --> 00:30:54,410
produce like they have. Or if you just

866
00:30:54,410 --> 00:30:56,890
wanna develop a new spot or you're new

867
00:30:56,890 --> 00:30:58,490
at it. You know, you... You've got a

868
00:30:58,490 --> 00:31:00,569
really... You're a really blessed situation where you

869
00:31:00,569 --> 00:31:02,341
have these places you can go, and you

870
00:31:02,341 --> 00:31:03,373
could check them off the list But I

871
00:31:03,373 --> 00:31:04,485
don't find out here. I can move on

872
00:31:04,485 --> 00:31:06,628
to plan b plant seats. A lot of

873
00:31:06,628 --> 00:31:08,692
people don't have that luxury. So there's kinda

874
00:31:08,692 --> 00:31:09,804
a couple ways to look at it. Right?

875
00:31:09,963 --> 00:31:12,444
Your hunting places that you historically know how

876
00:31:12,444 --> 00:31:14,515
elk, or I like to place I've never

877
00:31:14,515 --> 00:31:16,528
been to before because I like the challenge

878
00:31:16,745 --> 00:31:19,135
of working all this scenario and roll it

879
00:31:19,135 --> 00:31:20,250
in there in the middle of the night,

880
00:31:20,664 --> 00:31:22,497
in the next morning. I'm on help first

881
00:31:22,497 --> 00:31:24,330
day. That's where IIII

882
00:31:24,330 --> 00:31:25,127
almost live for that.

883
00:31:26,004 --> 00:31:27,917
And me and my llama roll into a

884
00:31:27,917 --> 00:31:29,526
spot in the dark, know how long it's

885
00:31:29,526 --> 00:31:30,799
gonna take me to go down that trail.

886
00:31:30,958 --> 00:31:32,072
I know how long it's gonna take me

887
00:31:32,072 --> 00:31:34,141
to get that classic spot a. I know

888
00:31:34,300 --> 00:31:35,891
I'm gonna get there 30 minutes for daylight.

889
00:31:36,050 --> 00:31:37,642
No question. I've already looked at the trail.

890
00:31:38,294 --> 00:31:39,813
I know I'm gonna be there, and I

891
00:31:39,813 --> 00:31:41,171
know I could stay late because I've already

892
00:31:41,171 --> 00:31:42,130
got the route plan,

893
00:31:43,009 --> 00:31:44,448
and I've never been to this place before.

894
00:31:44,608 --> 00:31:47,085
I've never even driven to the trail. So

895
00:31:47,165 --> 00:31:49,172
I just love that. And it's really what

896
00:31:49,172 --> 00:31:51,398
floats my boat. Yeah. You're super passionate. Like

897
00:31:51,557 --> 00:31:54,100
I said, you know, for me, having spots

898
00:31:54,100 --> 00:31:56,484
that consistently produce is a handicap in a

899
00:31:56,484 --> 00:31:58,406
lot of ways. And look and like I

900
00:31:58,406 --> 00:31:59,835
said for 1 of the big things. I

901
00:31:59,835 --> 00:32:01,106
like to know what other guys are doing.

902
00:32:01,344 --> 00:32:03,409
Right? Like... Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Well, I what

903
00:32:03,567 --> 00:32:05,076
I do works for me until it doesn't.

904
00:32:05,235 --> 00:32:07,236
Right? Than what I gonna do. Just take

905
00:32:07,236 --> 00:32:08,827
the rest of the season off. No. I

906
00:32:08,827 --> 00:32:10,179
need to have something. I need to know,

907
00:32:10,577 --> 00:32:12,009
you know, you need to be evolving as

908
00:32:12,009 --> 00:32:13,759
a hunter, especially in this day and aid

909
00:32:13,759 --> 00:32:16,082
with the technology and everybody else, knows how

910
00:32:16,082 --> 00:32:17,755
to use Go hunt. They know how to

911
00:32:17,755 --> 00:32:20,225
use these multiple apps. They all this stuff

912
00:32:20,225 --> 00:32:22,456
and here I am 1 trick pony here,

913
00:32:22,695 --> 00:32:25,165
and that's what really makes me super nervous.

914
00:32:25,499 --> 00:32:27,497
Well, you say that, though, Sam in reality.

915
00:32:27,736 --> 00:32:28,775
I talked a lot of hundred. I told

916
00:32:28,775 --> 00:32:30,213
you that. You would not believe what I

917
00:32:30,213 --> 00:32:32,290
say, hey, Raise your hand if you use

918
00:32:32,290 --> 00:32:32,770
on x.

919
00:32:33,342 --> 00:32:35,651
Everybody, obviously, everybody raises their head. I'm like,

920
00:32:36,049 --> 00:32:37,243
raise your hands, you go to the mountains

921
00:32:37,243 --> 00:32:39,472
with 2 apps every time, and literally nobody.

922
00:32:39,871 --> 00:32:41,716
There might be 1 or 2 guys. There's

923
00:32:41,716 --> 00:32:44,680
very few that are actually doing it and

924
00:32:44,737 --> 00:32:47,519
if they're using On x. Okay? I find

925
00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:50,006
out that they're not using all the capabilities

926
00:32:50,063 --> 00:32:52,630
of On x. They're using some of the

927
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:55,503
capabilities. There are some... Those... Especially if you're

928
00:32:55,503 --> 00:32:57,737
elite member of On x, they've got these

929
00:32:57,737 --> 00:32:59,822
elite tools in there now that... Train management,

930
00:32:59,981 --> 00:33:00,481
train

931
00:33:01,012 --> 00:33:03,154
modulation. They've got a whole bunch of features

932
00:33:03,154 --> 00:33:06,168
in that elite package. Properly all kind of

933
00:33:06,168 --> 00:33:10,009
layers. It's killer stuff. Right? Really, really good

934
00:33:10,009 --> 00:33:12,803
stuff, But very very few dudes, I'm finding

935
00:33:12,803 --> 00:33:14,559
or really taking the time to learn how

936
00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:15,836
to use it. And even if they learn

937
00:33:15,836 --> 00:33:17,688
how to use it. I think what's missing

938
00:33:17,688 --> 00:33:19,526
is why do I need to use it?

939
00:33:19,686 --> 00:33:21,044
Why do I need to use it And

940
00:33:21,044 --> 00:33:22,802
how do I apply it? What's it mean

941
00:33:22,802 --> 00:33:25,213
to me? Why is it important? To be

942
00:33:25,213 --> 00:33:27,762
able to look at health a certain elevation

943
00:33:27,762 --> 00:33:29,913
zone. Why is that? Why is isolating a

944
00:33:29,913 --> 00:33:32,559
certain slope steepest? Why is that important? Because

945
00:33:32,559 --> 00:33:34,794
of what I mentioned before, prefer certain steep.

946
00:33:35,033 --> 00:33:37,987
It's been documented over and over and over

947
00:33:37,987 --> 00:33:40,142
again. There's been so many studies done on

948
00:33:40,142 --> 00:33:40,961
it. Habitat.

949
00:33:41,513 --> 00:33:43,127
Beetle kills, fires,

950
00:33:43,741 --> 00:33:46,447
slope orientation. All these things have been studied

951
00:33:46,447 --> 00:33:48,675
over and over on Elk multiple different western.

952
00:33:48,849 --> 00:33:51,154
States. And it's very very, very applicable to

953
00:33:51,154 --> 00:33:53,778
elk. And once you kinda start learning some

954
00:33:53,778 --> 00:33:55,289
of that stuff, you could start applying it,

955
00:33:55,448 --> 00:33:57,117
and I feel like when you could kinda

956
00:33:57,117 --> 00:34:00,074
work that all together, they And... But a

957
00:34:00,074 --> 00:34:01,267
lot of people learn how to use their

958
00:34:01,267 --> 00:34:03,595
tools, but they don't learn how to really

959
00:34:03,810 --> 00:34:06,116
use their tools. So there's 2 problems here

960
00:34:06,116 --> 00:34:09,318
saying Want is 1 dimensional. But 2, not

961
00:34:09,318 --> 00:34:11,715
even taking the steps to learn all the

962
00:34:11,715 --> 00:34:13,312
features of the tools. Like, a lot of

963
00:34:13,312 --> 00:34:14,910
guys me I'll tell... Well, I wanna use

964
00:34:14,910 --> 00:34:17,405
2, but Man, moving my data from 1

965
00:34:17,405 --> 00:34:19,164
to another. It's just... I don't know how

966
00:34:19,164 --> 00:34:21,324
to do that. And that's 2. Guys exporting

967
00:34:21,324 --> 00:34:24,380
and importing data is so freaking simple. It's...

968
00:34:24,539 --> 00:34:26,860
It... These apps make it simple. It's Google

969
00:34:27,019 --> 00:34:29,660
Earth makes it. Crap. Simple. You just need

970
00:34:29,660 --> 00:34:30,400
a little

971
00:34:30,860 --> 00:34:32,542
education to be able to do it. If

972
00:34:32,542 --> 00:34:34,841
you think about it, every tool that you

973
00:34:34,841 --> 00:34:37,140
use is web based. Right? Every tools is

974
00:34:37,140 --> 00:34:40,729
web based, meaning browser based meaning Safari or

975
00:34:40,888 --> 00:34:43,354
Google, or, I'm sorry, Chrome or whatever you

976
00:34:43,354 --> 00:34:44,627
whatever browser you're using,

977
00:34:45,342 --> 00:34:48,141
except, for Google Earth Pro. Google Pro is

978
00:34:48,141 --> 00:34:48,880
a standalone

979
00:34:49,335 --> 00:34:51,108
application, but that's the only

980
00:34:51,562 --> 00:34:53,882
application you're actually using The rest of the

981
00:34:53,882 --> 00:34:56,663
tools are all browser based. So it's not

982
00:34:56,663 --> 00:34:57,639
super complex.

983
00:34:58,013 --> 00:35:00,158
Most guys just need a little guidance on

984
00:35:00,158 --> 00:35:01,985
how to use the tools and more importantly

985
00:35:01,985 --> 00:35:04,306
like I said, Why do they need to

986
00:35:04,306 --> 00:35:06,772
use the tools? Why and what makes it

987
00:35:06,772 --> 00:35:08,523
important? And when do I need to use

988
00:35:08,523 --> 00:35:10,671
it? That's really what my course does if

989
00:35:10,671 --> 00:35:11,148
anything?

990
00:35:12,039 --> 00:35:14,027
Is it kinda covers the why and the

991
00:35:14,027 --> 00:35:16,175
how. What, to be perfectly honest, you know,

992
00:35:16,255 --> 00:35:18,164
the big selling point for me was?

993
00:35:19,053 --> 00:35:20,402
Don't know whatever. It was, I bought the

994
00:35:20,402 --> 00:35:21,989
toolkit to as a hundred and 50 bucks

995
00:35:21,989 --> 00:35:24,210
or some... Something right in and you're not

996
00:35:24,210 --> 00:35:25,955
and you're not even using them because you

997
00:35:25,955 --> 00:35:27,719
said you don't even use Google. I I'm

998
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,320
telling you, Sam, right now when you get

999
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,059
off this freaking podcast, you install those toolkit

1000
00:35:32,199 --> 00:35:33,800
and you start clicking it, and you click

1001
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,320
around for 10 minutes, and then you send

1002
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:35,880
me a message.

1003
00:35:36,773 --> 00:35:38,923
And you tell me, hey, these aren't as

1004
00:35:38,923 --> 00:35:40,277
these aren't as cool as you think they

1005
00:35:40,277 --> 00:35:40,437
are.

1006
00:35:41,393 --> 00:35:43,305
I challenge you to send me that message.

1007
00:35:43,544 --> 00:35:45,536
Once you installed you click around seat won't.

1008
00:35:45,949 --> 00:35:48,177
This could do this. This this this this,

1009
00:35:48,655 --> 00:35:51,281
and you need no training. You literally need

1010
00:35:51,281 --> 00:35:53,842
no training. Use a single file. You put

1011
00:35:53,842 --> 00:35:55,431
it in Google earth. That's it. And you

1012
00:35:55,431 --> 00:35:57,416
open expand it. You just click around and

1013
00:35:57,416 --> 00:35:59,402
turn on what you want. Turn on fires.

1014
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,760
Turn on kyle. Turn on public lands. You

1015
00:36:01,959 --> 00:36:04,276
turn on streams, turn on roads, turn on,

1016
00:36:04,516 --> 00:36:06,853
like in Wyoming, for example, I've got all

1017
00:36:06,912 --> 00:36:08,989
the Elk units. I've got the deer region.

1018
00:36:09,164 --> 00:36:10,918
For non res. I've got the the new

1019
00:36:10,918 --> 00:36:13,069
the new General regions are all in there.

1020
00:36:13,468 --> 00:36:15,620
The new the new shed hunting zone for

1021
00:36:15,620 --> 00:36:17,888
all you shed hunters. They're in there. That

1022
00:36:18,025 --> 00:36:20,730
migration patterns, All the migration channels, all the

1023
00:36:20,730 --> 00:36:23,436
migration zones, all the highway crossings for elk,

1024
00:36:23,595 --> 00:36:25,266
all that stuff is all in those toolkit.

1025
00:36:25,505 --> 00:36:27,429
And it's just their waiting to be used.

1026
00:36:27,668 --> 00:36:30,453
So it basically mimics well, it actually does

1027
00:36:30,453 --> 00:36:32,283
more even than some of the apps, but

1028
00:36:32,283 --> 00:36:34,034
it allows you to look at all the

1029
00:36:34,034 --> 00:36:35,625
things you can look at, now, on x.

1030
00:36:35,958 --> 00:36:38,268
In Google Earth. And what that does for

1031
00:36:38,268 --> 00:36:40,440
you is you you get all the same

1032
00:36:40,497 --> 00:36:42,726
features, but now you get the best imagery

1033
00:36:42,726 --> 00:36:44,654
and you get the 3 d and you

1034
00:36:44,654 --> 00:36:46,812
get to look at historic imagery, and those

1035
00:36:46,812 --> 00:36:47,312
are

1036
00:36:47,691 --> 00:36:48,191
overwhelmingly

1037
00:36:48,970 --> 00:36:51,047
beneficial for western owners. When you're when you're

1038
00:36:51,047 --> 00:36:53,386
evaluating. Now, again, this is when you're evaluating.

1039
00:36:54,099 --> 00:36:55,775
Areas. And then when you go into the

1040
00:36:55,775 --> 00:36:57,849
field, you use your apps and fit. Now

1041
00:36:57,849 --> 00:36:59,606
don't get me wrong. I run 2 monitors

1042
00:36:59,606 --> 00:37:01,760
all the time, all the time, minimum of

1043
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,603
2. And I have Google Earth on 1

1044
00:37:03,603 --> 00:37:05,272
and I have my hunt app. Let's call

1045
00:37:05,272 --> 00:37:07,019
it On x on the other all the

1046
00:37:07,019 --> 00:37:08,767
time every time. And I learned how to

1047
00:37:08,767 --> 00:37:10,197
cut and paste latitude long,

1048
00:37:10,689 --> 00:37:12,523
so that you could jump right real quickly

1049
00:37:12,523 --> 00:37:13,639
and Google Earth if he could jump to

1050
00:37:13,639 --> 00:37:15,950
the exact same spot you're looking at in

1051
00:37:15,950 --> 00:37:17,704
in on that, so you can do side

1052
00:37:17,704 --> 00:37:19,790
by side comparisons So you can be looking

1053
00:37:19,790 --> 00:37:22,179
at the data in Google Earth, which is

1054
00:37:22,179 --> 00:37:24,170
different than the data that's in on x

1055
00:37:24,170 --> 00:37:26,478
for especially aerial imagery. So that's the way

1056
00:37:26,558 --> 00:37:28,327
I kinda do it. And then many times,

1057
00:37:28,487 --> 00:37:30,643
I've got a third application or fourth application

1058
00:37:30,643 --> 00:37:32,319
open. You know, you you don't have to

1059
00:37:32,319 --> 00:37:34,075
have a hundred tools. You know, I teach

1060
00:37:34,075 --> 00:37:35,751
it in my core. I teach 5 tools

1061
00:37:35,751 --> 00:37:38,005
that I feel like... You really... If you're

1062
00:37:38,005 --> 00:37:39,844
willing to learn how to use 5 tools,

1063
00:37:40,244 --> 00:37:43,364
you could really really expand your ability to

1064
00:37:43,364 --> 00:37:46,007
find out consistently. Or develop new hunt areas

1065
00:37:46,007 --> 00:37:48,941
like you said, branch out prospects as you

1066
00:37:48,941 --> 00:37:50,527
call it. And if you if you if

1067
00:37:50,527 --> 00:37:52,454
you learn how to use 3, that's fine

1068
00:37:52,683 --> 00:37:55,142
but that's 5 is really... I think is

1069
00:37:55,142 --> 00:37:57,204
next level. You know? So I kinda teach

1070
00:37:57,204 --> 00:37:59,505
that and in the course. The what 5

1071
00:37:59,584 --> 00:38:01,266
I use and why I... User it. It's

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1095
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1096
00:38:53,833 --> 00:38:55,342
too far from my hunt unit, but it's

1097
00:38:55,342 --> 00:38:57,170
still it's even to go on a Saturday.

1098
00:38:57,408 --> 00:38:58,655
It's the full tank of gas

1099
00:38:59,092 --> 00:39:00,606
Turn back. You know what I mean? And

1100
00:39:00,606 --> 00:39:02,677
for me, that's part of the appeal of

1101
00:39:02,677 --> 00:39:04,827
of your system is for tank of gas,

1102
00:39:05,066 --> 00:39:05,544
basically,

1103
00:39:05,942 --> 00:39:08,507
I'm taking your course. That's guys. I and

1104
00:39:08,587 --> 00:39:10,583
I I can't stress this point enough. There

1105
00:39:10,583 --> 00:39:13,376
is nothing wrong, and there's absolutely benefit of

1106
00:39:13,376 --> 00:39:15,211
driving over and checking out an area. There's

1107
00:39:15,211 --> 00:39:16,897
no doubt about it. But you know how

1108
00:39:16,897 --> 00:39:19,356
many western can't do that. They don't live

1109
00:39:19,356 --> 00:39:21,578
where they're hunting. They... They're hunting another state.

1110
00:39:21,975 --> 00:39:23,879
They're coming from the mid... Whatever the case

1111
00:39:23,879 --> 00:39:25,721
may be. So it's not very feasible to

1112
00:39:25,721 --> 00:39:27,788
do that. And every day that they're doing

1113
00:39:27,788 --> 00:39:30,809
that, they're wasting hunting days. They're taking vacation

1114
00:39:30,809 --> 00:39:32,399
days that they should be adding on to

1115
00:39:32,399 --> 00:39:34,802
their hot time, not... So scouting to. We

1116
00:39:34,802 --> 00:39:36,717
haven't talked about that yet, but... I'm telling

1117
00:39:36,717 --> 00:39:39,351
you right now. You are better off to

1118
00:39:39,351 --> 00:39:41,505
add more hunting days onto your hunt time,

1119
00:39:41,919 --> 00:39:44,969
Than you are ever in almost every case

1120
00:39:45,106 --> 00:39:47,417
to do boots on the ground scouting because

1121
00:39:47,417 --> 00:39:49,822
the quality of images that are available, Google

1122
00:39:49,822 --> 00:39:52,389
earth now, and the quality of top maps

1123
00:39:52,445 --> 00:39:54,592
and contour shading and what they call light.

1124
00:39:54,751 --> 00:39:57,269
This is new technology called Lidar imagery. They

1125
00:39:57,549 --> 00:39:59,707
There's so many tools now that have changed

1126
00:39:59,707 --> 00:40:01,465
the game when it comes to looking at

1127
00:40:01,465 --> 00:40:02,664
an end. And once you learn how to

1128
00:40:02,664 --> 00:40:04,422
use them and how to apply them, you

1129
00:40:04,422 --> 00:40:06,752
really limit the need to go Now, I'm

1130
00:40:06,752 --> 00:40:08,742
not saying it's not beneficial. And you know,

1131
00:40:08,981 --> 00:40:10,891
the sea go right now in June. Well,

1132
00:40:10,971 --> 00:40:12,562
the elk not gonna be where they are

1133
00:40:12,562 --> 00:40:14,154
in July eighth where... Well, they might be,

1134
00:40:14,313 --> 00:40:16,478
but more likely not gonna be, where they're

1135
00:40:16,478 --> 00:40:19,291
gonna be in September. So just seeing elk

1136
00:40:19,429 --> 00:40:22,300
is not necessarily conclusive that you're gonna find

1137
00:40:22,300 --> 00:40:24,612
out the same style on September fifteenth. And

1138
00:40:24,772 --> 00:40:26,304
so there's no... You know, I'm gonna go

1139
00:40:26,304 --> 00:40:27,344
back to what I said earlier. If you

1140
00:40:27,344 --> 00:40:28,704
took the same amount of time. It took

1141
00:40:28,704 --> 00:40:29,744
you to drive over there,

1142
00:40:30,385 --> 00:40:32,784
drive back and walk around. You'd be miles

1143
00:40:32,784 --> 00:40:34,793
ahead, not to mention. I mean, I'm sure

1144
00:40:34,793 --> 00:40:37,018
you're really fit and capable person, but you

1145
00:40:37,018 --> 00:40:38,925
go over how many miles could you possibly

1146
00:40:38,925 --> 00:40:41,388
cover? 20? Right than 5. I... You you

1147
00:40:41,388 --> 00:40:42,421
can only cover so much.

1148
00:40:43,152 --> 00:40:44,210
If only out

1149
00:40:44,666 --> 00:40:47,295
early in late. Spencer right. In the summertime.

1150
00:40:47,534 --> 00:40:50,416
You know, you're you're basically wasting the whole

1151
00:40:50,416 --> 00:40:52,321
middle part of the day because it... You

1152
00:40:52,321 --> 00:40:53,591
went there in the dark and you're leaving

1153
00:40:53,591 --> 00:40:54,623
in the dark, but what are you doing

1154
00:40:54,623 --> 00:40:55,813
in the middle of the day? You're just

1155
00:40:55,813 --> 00:40:57,400
looking at trade and you're looking at kind

1156
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,168
of... You know, just kinda looking around. Well,

1157
00:40:59,248 --> 00:41:00,603
you can do the same thing.

1158
00:41:01,321 --> 00:41:03,553
Now, maybe not exactly, but you can get

1159
00:41:03,553 --> 00:41:06,755
p darn close with using, Google Earth Pro

1160
00:41:06,755 --> 00:41:08,982
and really get dialed and it's really getting

1161
00:41:08,982 --> 00:41:11,368
in close and really analyzing the imagery. And

1162
00:41:11,368 --> 00:41:13,293
knowing what you're looking for, like What does

1163
00:41:13,293 --> 00:41:14,890
a beetle kill look like on a slope?

1164
00:41:15,210 --> 00:41:16,966
What does an old fire that's not showing

1165
00:41:16,966 --> 00:41:18,962
up? Look like? What does spa timber? You

1166
00:41:18,962 --> 00:41:20,239
know, how how do I know if I

1167
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:21,836
can glass that timber or not? Is it

1168
00:41:21,836 --> 00:41:23,921
spa enough? There's all these things we talk

1169
00:41:23,921 --> 00:41:26,466
about in the pores and plastic. Okay. How

1170
00:41:26,466 --> 00:41:28,216
many times of guys got to a glass

1171
00:41:28,216 --> 00:41:28,454
spot.

1172
00:41:29,329 --> 00:41:31,175
And they hike all the way up. There.

1173
00:41:31,335 --> 00:41:32,855
They looked on their map. They look like

1174
00:41:32,855 --> 00:41:34,534
this is the best spot. And they hike

1175
00:41:34,534 --> 00:41:36,855
up there. They spin it all morning getting

1176
00:41:36,855 --> 00:41:38,708
there. They get there late. There because they

1177
00:41:38,708 --> 00:41:40,063
didn't calculate how long it was gonna take

1178
00:41:40,063 --> 00:41:40,780
them effectively.

1179
00:41:41,258 --> 00:41:42,773
Anyway, they get up there and they can't

1180
00:41:42,773 --> 00:41:44,128
see what they thought they could see. And

1181
00:41:44,128 --> 00:41:45,641
happens all the time. Had you add to

1182
00:41:45,641 --> 00:41:47,411
me even That doesn't happen to me very

1183
00:41:47,411 --> 00:41:49,883
often anymore, but guys, there are 3 or

1184
00:41:49,883 --> 00:41:52,116
4 tools that you can run. They're called

1185
00:41:52,116 --> 00:41:54,190
view sheds, and you could drop a pin

1186
00:41:54,190 --> 00:41:56,438
on a slope on a ridge, and you

1187
00:41:56,438 --> 00:41:58,192
could say it's from 6 feet off the

1188
00:41:58,192 --> 00:42:00,663
ground, show me what I can see from

1189
00:42:00,663 --> 00:42:03,932
right here. That tool alone is worth taking

1190
00:42:03,932 --> 00:42:06,184
my course. I'm just gonna be on, learning

1191
00:42:06,184 --> 00:42:08,905
how to use and implement. That feature is

1192
00:42:08,905 --> 00:42:11,405
worth the price of admission. And I find

1193
00:42:11,464 --> 00:42:12,424
almost nobody.

1194
00:42:12,759 --> 00:42:14,592
That knows how to run it. Nobody knows

1195
00:42:14,592 --> 00:42:16,027
how to use it? I can't believe it.

1196
00:42:16,346 --> 00:42:18,020
When I first built my course, I was

1197
00:42:18,020 --> 00:42:20,013
shocked and how many people did not know

1198
00:42:20,013 --> 00:42:22,579
that tool existence and it's available in 3

1199
00:42:22,579 --> 00:42:24,731
or 4 tools now. It's available in on

1200
00:42:24,731 --> 00:42:26,565
x. It's not as good in on but

1201
00:42:26,565 --> 00:42:29,036
it's available. Google Earth again is the king

1202
00:42:29,036 --> 00:42:30,720
of it, but you can also run it

1203
00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:31,379
in Cal.

1204
00:42:31,752 --> 00:42:33,418
And there's reasons you would use the different

1205
00:42:33,418 --> 00:42:36,038
tools for the different shit analysis. Dude that

1206
00:42:36,038 --> 00:42:37,864
is game changing stuff. If you're hunting an

1207
00:42:37,864 --> 00:42:38,102
area,

1208
00:42:38,673 --> 00:42:40,747
we're putting eyes on Elk is important, like

1209
00:42:40,747 --> 00:42:42,900
let's say your spot and straw, let's say

1210
00:42:42,900 --> 00:42:45,532
you're o hunting open country, you have to

1211
00:42:45,532 --> 00:42:46,749
be in the right

1212
00:42:47,206 --> 00:42:49,238
locations. You have to be on the best

1213
00:42:49,377 --> 00:42:51,535
vantage spots that you can find in your

1214
00:42:51,535 --> 00:42:54,671
whole hunt area. And I test every freaking

1215
00:42:54,890 --> 00:42:57,293
glass spot. To see which 1 has the

1216
00:42:57,293 --> 00:42:59,677
best view. So when I go there, I'm

1217
00:42:59,677 --> 00:43:01,743
only going to the best spots. I'm not

1218
00:43:01,743 --> 00:43:03,650
messing around with the blasting spots that her

1219
00:43:03,650 --> 00:43:06,054
sub par I'm only going to the ones

1220
00:43:06,054 --> 00:43:08,765
that are the best possible views that I'm

1221
00:43:08,765 --> 00:43:10,381
looking for. But I know

1222
00:43:10,758 --> 00:43:12,432
before I get there because I run that

1223
00:43:12,432 --> 00:43:14,995
shit analysis. On every glass spot I drop.

1224
00:43:15,313 --> 00:43:17,064
Yeah. I just wanted to mention, I won't

1225
00:43:17,064 --> 00:43:19,531
throw north Idaho, bear hunting. And I told

1226
00:43:19,531 --> 00:43:21,057
the story a lot of times. But, you

1227
00:43:21,057 --> 00:43:23,121
know, I'm from Utah, I just gained elevation,

1228
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,742
try to see there. And, you know, if

1229
00:43:25,742 --> 00:43:27,171
there was a clearing on my side, I

1230
00:43:27,171 --> 00:43:28,521
couldn't see through the trees on the other

1231
00:43:28,521 --> 00:43:30,053
side. That's right. There was a clearing on

1232
00:43:30,053 --> 00:43:31,492
the other side. I couldn't see through the

1233
00:43:31,492 --> 00:43:33,089
trees on my side. And it was super

1234
00:43:33,089 --> 00:43:35,327
frustrating. It was almost claustrophobic 4 week to

1235
00:43:35,327 --> 00:43:38,295
me coming from, you know, the high desert

1236
00:43:38,295 --> 00:43:39,968
to some area of what that was that

1237
00:43:39,968 --> 00:43:41,822
thick. So it was real

1238
00:43:42,199 --> 00:43:44,111
burned a lot of calories getting to somewhere

1239
00:43:44,111 --> 00:43:46,182
where I couldn't see nothing. Well, and that's

1240
00:43:46,182 --> 00:43:48,030
my point. So when it... I just I

1241
00:43:48,030 --> 00:43:49,464
did a whole bear of this spring. Right?

1242
00:43:49,623 --> 00:43:51,535
And glass is big for bears. Right? You

1243
00:43:51,535 --> 00:43:53,129
cannot kill a bear if you can't see

1244
00:43:53,129 --> 00:43:55,120
it. The odds of running into a bear

1245
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,150
in the woods and killing it is pretty

1246
00:43:57,289 --> 00:43:59,766
slim. Right? And plastic is the name of

1247
00:43:59,766 --> 00:44:01,284
the game when it comes to bears. In

1248
00:44:01,284 --> 00:44:02,882
a lot of areas, unless you're banging or

1249
00:44:02,882 --> 00:44:05,040
your hunting logging roads or things like that.

1250
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,449
But for us, glass is the name of

1251
00:44:07,449 --> 00:44:09,044
the game. So the view shed is like,

1252
00:44:09,283 --> 00:44:10,957
I run that you should so many times.

1253
00:44:11,356 --> 00:44:13,110
I mean, I wear my computer out run

1254
00:44:13,110 --> 00:44:15,117
so many dogs. But when I get... In

1255
00:44:15,117 --> 00:44:17,345
a a bare spot, for example, I got

1256
00:44:17,345 --> 00:44:20,073
6 or 7 glass spots that are absolutely

1257
00:44:20,528 --> 00:44:23,392
freaking money. And when I climb up there,

1258
00:44:23,964 --> 00:44:25,795
and I spend up my effort climb a

1259
00:44:25,795 --> 00:44:28,104
2000 feet. Up 58 years old. Sam,

1260
00:44:28,741 --> 00:44:31,210
I do not wanna climb up 2000 feet

1261
00:44:31,210 --> 00:44:33,699
unless I have to. And I'm glad to

1262
00:44:33,699 --> 00:44:34,739
do it, and I'm a ashamed to do

1263
00:44:34,739 --> 00:44:36,260
it, but I want I wanna do it

1264
00:44:36,260 --> 00:44:38,579
once and I wanna be productive. So I

1265
00:44:38,579 --> 00:44:41,059
spend a lot as hard testing glass spots.

1266
00:44:41,234 --> 00:44:43,142
And when I get up there, if I

1267
00:44:43,142 --> 00:44:44,971
properly run the shit, I'm gonna go out

1268
00:44:44,971 --> 00:44:47,594
a limb here. If I properly run my

1269
00:44:47,594 --> 00:44:50,616
shit analysis. I am rarely if ever.

1270
00:44:51,268 --> 00:44:53,982
Surprised. Meaning, it's exactly what I thought it

1271
00:44:53,982 --> 00:44:56,455
was going to be. It's never, like, I

1272
00:44:56,455 --> 00:44:58,051
can't see. The kids seem what I thought

1273
00:44:58,211 --> 00:45:00,224
I could see because you know even in

1274
00:45:00,224 --> 00:45:02,385
gentle rolling country, sam that's where it's even

1275
00:45:02,385 --> 00:45:04,945
more important. When the country's just kinda not

1276
00:45:04,945 --> 00:45:06,785
super steep, you know how you can't get

1277
00:45:06,785 --> 00:45:08,877
on a rolling ridge, and you can't see

1278
00:45:08,877 --> 00:45:10,972
the bottom because the curvature of the rich

1279
00:45:11,110 --> 00:45:13,742
or you can't you can't quite see because

1280
00:45:13,742 --> 00:45:15,577
it's just it's it's you can't quite see

1281
00:45:15,577 --> 00:45:16,693
all the way to the other side because

1282
00:45:16,693 --> 00:45:18,539
there's a hill in the way. Or the

1283
00:45:18,539 --> 00:45:20,996
train just kinda slopes to gentle,

1284
00:45:21,472 --> 00:45:24,008
all these factors can really affect the view.

1285
00:45:24,325 --> 00:45:26,327
And that's where that view shed. Shines, it

1286
00:45:26,327 --> 00:45:28,719
manages just shines. And it wasn't built for

1287
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,110
hunters guys. It wasn't built for hunters. It

1288
00:45:31,110 --> 00:45:33,582
was built for cell phone towers. For views

1289
00:45:33,582 --> 00:45:36,074
of big landscape building when they're trying to

1290
00:45:36,074 --> 00:45:37,214
build a big skyscraper,

1291
00:45:37,594 --> 00:45:39,434
and they wanna sell these pet house suites.

1292
00:45:39,835 --> 00:45:41,674
They wanna know what the view is from

1293
00:45:41,674 --> 00:45:44,800
certain elevation, from 700 feet up, or not

1294
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,028
700 from 70 or 80 feet up, This

1295
00:45:47,028 --> 00:45:48,223
is what you could see from there. Oh,

1296
00:45:48,382 --> 00:45:50,133
that's a great. And then they run it

1297
00:45:50,133 --> 00:45:52,057
over and over. Cell phone is, you know,

1298
00:45:52,217 --> 00:45:54,364
line of sight. So which peak do we

1299
00:45:54,364 --> 00:45:56,671
put the towers on? That's really what this

1300
00:45:56,671 --> 00:45:58,995
tool was built for. But why not use

1301
00:45:58,995 --> 00:46:01,148
it for hunting. And you just gotta lower

1302
00:46:01,148 --> 00:46:03,539
the elevation to 6 feet to human to

1303
00:46:03,539 --> 00:46:05,452
human height. Right? And once you learn how

1304
00:46:05,452 --> 00:46:07,864
to do it, But again, there's almost no

1305
00:46:07,864 --> 00:46:10,025
literature about it? It's it's like a hidden

1306
00:46:10,025 --> 00:46:11,945
feature. But once I found it, It was

1307
00:46:11,945 --> 00:46:13,545
gained changer for me with when it came

1308
00:46:13,545 --> 00:46:15,317
to blasting spots. We spend a lot of

1309
00:46:15,317 --> 00:46:17,173
time on that, but it's a really good

1310
00:46:17,550 --> 00:46:20,262
example of taking your hunt planning to the

1311
00:46:20,262 --> 00:46:22,097
next level. Yeah. For sure. We're running a

1312
00:46:22,097 --> 00:46:24,170
little bit long here, and I appreciate you

1313
00:46:24,170 --> 00:46:26,425
just jumping on here and given it to

1314
00:46:26,425 --> 00:46:28,105
us. But the 1 thing I really wanna

1315
00:46:28,105 --> 00:46:30,744
say that I learned from this podcast is,

1316
00:46:30,905 --> 00:46:32,445
you know, just how passionate

1317
00:46:32,758 --> 00:46:34,985
that you are about this East scouting. But

1318
00:46:34,985 --> 00:46:36,654
how much confidence that it gives you, and

1319
00:46:36,654 --> 00:46:39,278
that's kinda what I'm looking for, the reason

1320
00:46:39,278 --> 00:46:41,761
that I'm taking your course is so, you

1321
00:46:41,761 --> 00:46:43,355
know, when I go somewhere and get boots

1322
00:46:43,355 --> 00:46:44,710
on the ground, that's what gives me the

1323
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:47,101
confidence that continue to return to that spot.

1324
00:46:47,261 --> 00:46:48,775
And to have that confidence,

1325
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:50,708
To be able to do that east scouting

1326
00:46:50,708 --> 00:46:52,705
and know what I'm gonna get when I

1327
00:46:52,705 --> 00:46:54,703
get there is it's a no brainer for

1328
00:46:54,703 --> 00:46:56,940
me. Well, Same real quick. You might even

1329
00:46:56,940 --> 00:46:59,025
find. Some of the place that you have

1330
00:46:59,025 --> 00:47:01,329
on some of your haunt that you found

1331
00:47:01,329 --> 00:47:02,919
lots of Elk. When you start looking at

1332
00:47:02,919 --> 00:47:05,145
them through a different lens, you might find

1333
00:47:05,145 --> 00:47:07,386
some little hidden features, you might start finding

1334
00:47:07,386 --> 00:47:08,976
some things that you might have overlooked even,

1335
00:47:09,295 --> 00:47:12,715
and you might even start improving your ability

1336
00:47:12,715 --> 00:47:14,943
to tackle some spots that you've been hunting

1337
00:47:14,943 --> 00:47:15,340
for years.

1338
00:47:16,154 --> 00:47:17,992
Like, you might find a better glass spot.

1339
00:47:18,151 --> 00:47:20,948
You might find the best benches. You might

1340
00:47:20,948 --> 00:47:22,087
be able to start

1341
00:47:22,786 --> 00:47:24,960
looking for some slopes. Like, that are kinda

1342
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,960
that you didn't really pick up on just

1343
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:27,920
looking at the top.

1344
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,559
There... It's a possible that you're gonna be

1345
00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:32,800
able to flesh out your current spots even

1346
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,644
it's a little bit more thorough than maybe

1347
00:47:34,644 --> 00:47:35,917
you have in the past as well. Well,

1348
00:47:36,076 --> 00:47:37,269
I know when you were telling us the

1349
00:47:37,269 --> 00:47:39,019
12 things you look for?

1350
00:47:40,228 --> 00:47:42,296
In your course, the the basics that you

1351
00:47:42,296 --> 00:47:44,285
go to. I started just clicking them off

1352
00:47:44,285 --> 00:47:46,671
in my mind in my favorite spot. It's

1353
00:47:47,307 --> 00:47:49,712
let's say up. So You know... Like I

1354
00:47:49,712 --> 00:47:51,865
said, you've always looked for a lot of

1355
00:47:51,865 --> 00:47:54,018
these things before just because you've got this

1356
00:47:54,018 --> 00:47:56,890
experience, but you never really thought about making

1357
00:47:56,890 --> 00:47:59,375
a list. Right? You've just kinda do it.

1358
00:47:59,534 --> 00:48:00,726
It gotta you look up there. And you're

1359
00:48:00,726 --> 00:48:02,396
like, or you walk around? It's like, it

1360
00:48:02,396 --> 00:48:04,859
just makes sense. And I think that what

1361
00:48:04,939 --> 00:48:06,767
I'm trying to do is take all my

1362
00:48:06,767 --> 00:48:09,728
experience coupled with, other great guy... I I'm

1363
00:48:09,728 --> 00:48:11,401
also lucky. I I get spend time with

1364
00:48:11,401 --> 00:48:15,067
some great Western hunters, and I'm c picking

1365
00:48:15,067 --> 00:48:17,473
their brain. Picking their brain for all the

1366
00:48:17,473 --> 00:48:19,545
micro things that they're using to evaluate. And

1367
00:48:19,545 --> 00:48:21,856
a lot of my stuff. Here's my own,

1368
00:48:22,095 --> 00:48:23,585
but a lot of it is comes from

1369
00:48:23,783 --> 00:48:25,608
learning from other people too because I'm a

1370
00:48:25,608 --> 00:48:26,719
student of the game, and I think you

1371
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,704
can tell you, guys. I'm like a sp

1372
00:48:28,704 --> 00:48:29,974
when it comes to this kind of stuff.

1373
00:48:30,688 --> 00:48:33,247
I'm I never for 1 minute. They I

1374
00:48:33,247 --> 00:48:35,713
know everything about everything. I certainly do not.

1375
00:48:35,952 --> 00:48:37,224
But I am in it to win it,

1376
00:48:37,384 --> 00:48:40,291
and I'm cost. Evaluating and testing new technology

1377
00:48:40,429 --> 00:48:41,786
and where I can use it and what

1378
00:48:41,786 --> 00:48:44,180
makes sense and being efficient. I wanna be

1379
00:48:44,180 --> 00:48:47,068
an efficient western elk hunter. And so, you

1380
00:48:47,068 --> 00:48:48,746
know, thanks for having me. I know we

1381
00:48:48,746 --> 00:48:50,025
could go on for days. I'm sorry we

1382
00:48:50,025 --> 00:48:51,703
were went long. I tend to have... You

1383
00:48:51,703 --> 00:48:52,982
already mentioned that right when I got on.

1384
00:48:53,222 --> 00:48:54,580
I tend to do that. So I'm sorry.

1385
00:48:54,914 --> 00:48:56,744
Hey, no worries. Been a great podcast. That

1386
00:48:56,744 --> 00:48:58,893
people got more information. They wanna reach out

1387
00:48:58,893 --> 00:49:00,405
to you ask you some questions where can

1388
00:49:00,405 --> 00:49:02,394
they find you at. Pre line pursuits on

1389
00:49:02,633 --> 00:49:04,066
Instagram is a great. You can kinda see

1390
00:49:04,066 --> 00:49:05,431
what's happening. Opening in my world on my

1391
00:49:05,669 --> 00:49:07,574
Instagram. But if you wanna read about the

1392
00:49:07,574 --> 00:49:09,478
course and the toolkit kits and the new

1393
00:49:09,478 --> 00:49:11,224
courses I have coming out, you can go

1394
00:49:11,224 --> 00:49:13,384
to tree line academy dot net opening All

1395
00:49:13,384 --> 00:49:15,059
of my stuff is on that website. You

1396
00:49:15,059 --> 00:49:16,734
can get to every... All the pockets I've

1397
00:49:16,734 --> 00:49:19,288
ever been on, including this 1 is organized

1398
00:49:19,288 --> 00:49:20,976
in the r archive on that site. So

1399
00:49:20,976 --> 00:49:22,643
you can quickly get to anyone I've ever

1400
00:49:22,643 --> 00:49:25,024
been on, been on over a hundred. And

1401
00:49:25,024 --> 00:49:26,453
and then you could get to all my

1402
00:49:26,453 --> 00:49:28,851
resources there as well. So that that Tree

1403
00:49:28,851 --> 00:49:30,600
caveat dot net or my Instagram at Tree

1404
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,008
lamp Pursuits. Alright. And Jordan Bud did a

1405
00:49:33,144 --> 00:49:35,132
review on the rock side homepage there for

1406
00:49:35,132 --> 00:49:37,358
us A couple years back. Been long not

1407
00:49:37,358 --> 00:49:39,200
a 2. It's been a long time. Up

1408
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,057
in the notes. So. Yeah. So well, I

1409
00:49:42,057 --> 00:49:43,883
appreciate it, Mark. Thanks for taking the time.

1410
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:45,947
I know you got me super excited to

1411
00:49:45,947 --> 00:49:47,074
dive into this. It's Well,

1412
00:49:48,347 --> 00:49:50,576
I usually don't say this, sam, but if

1413
00:49:50,576 --> 00:49:52,009
you start running... I want you to give

1414
00:49:52,009 --> 00:49:53,601
me a call or send me a to...

1415
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,609
If you start running, like, got a question

1416
00:49:55,609 --> 00:49:57,047
about the tool or anything at all? Because

1417
00:49:57,206 --> 00:49:58,964
I'd like to see how you... You're a

1418
00:49:58,964 --> 00:50:01,041
good test case for me. These guys that

1419
00:50:01,041 --> 00:50:03,213
have so much experience. And they think they

1420
00:50:03,213 --> 00:50:05,452
got it all figured out, and I love

1421
00:50:05,452 --> 00:50:07,369
to hear what they think. And so don't

1422
00:50:07,369 --> 00:50:10,327
hesitate. And and just in closing, I just

1423
00:50:10,327 --> 00:50:12,244
wanna tell everybody, when you click on that,

1424
00:50:12,420 --> 00:50:14,337
thing and you buy this course. You click

1425
00:50:14,337 --> 00:50:16,414
on it. You open it up. Don't scare

1426
00:50:16,414 --> 00:50:18,331
them off. Just take a deep breath and

1427
00:50:18,331 --> 00:50:20,903
jump be Don't scare. Don't scare. People say.

1428
00:50:21,143 --> 00:50:23,380
Alright. R. I appreciate it, Buddy. Thanks, Adam.

1429
00:50:23,619 --> 00:50:25,937
Alright. With today's Tips Tuesday focused on scouting.

1430
00:50:26,177 --> 00:50:27,536
I wanted to make some time to talk

1431
00:50:27,536 --> 00:50:30,105
about trail cameras. Robbie Loving the Mo and

1432
00:50:30,105 --> 00:50:31,780
edge pro so much. I reached out to

1433
00:50:31,860 --> 00:50:33,695
Molt and was lucky enough to get Mark

1434
00:50:33,855 --> 00:50:35,610
Oli on the show. So welcome to the

1435
00:50:35,610 --> 00:50:37,864
show Mark Yeah. Thanks for having me. Glad

1436
00:50:37,864 --> 00:50:39,704
to be here. So I'm pretty excited. Why

1437
00:50:39,704 --> 00:50:40,825
don't you tell us a little bit about

1438
00:50:40,825 --> 00:50:42,664
the Edge pro? I know that was kind

1439
00:50:42,664 --> 00:50:44,825
of the last year's release, but let's hit

1440
00:50:44,825 --> 00:50:46,834
on that a little bit first. Yeah. So

1441
00:50:46,834 --> 00:50:49,222
the edge pro, like you said, last year,

1442
00:50:49,380 --> 00:50:51,370
we released that. The big deal with the

1443
00:50:51,370 --> 00:50:54,235
hedge pro... So it was the second model

1444
00:50:54,235 --> 00:50:56,721
out in our hand. Series of cameras. So

1445
00:50:56,721 --> 00:50:59,034
the year before we launched the edge. And

1446
00:50:59,193 --> 00:51:01,688
I used that for context because the edge

1447
00:51:01,827 --> 00:51:04,797
launched with some technologies that were brand new

1448
00:51:04,797 --> 00:51:05,835
to to our cameras.

1449
00:51:06,315 --> 00:51:09,431
Want being Auto connect. So what Auto connect

1450
00:51:09,431 --> 00:51:12,238
does with all the edge series cameras is

1451
00:51:12,238 --> 00:51:14,630
when you turn it off, it automatically searches

1452
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:16,704
for the strongest signal in the area. It

1453
00:51:16,704 --> 00:51:19,550
works off the 4 major carriers. So the

1454
00:51:19,670 --> 00:51:22,786
you're not pigeon hold into a carrier specific

1455
00:51:22,786 --> 00:51:25,262
camera like they've been typically in the past.

1456
00:51:25,582 --> 00:51:26,082
Somebody

1457
00:51:26,461 --> 00:51:28,861
competition has bills. Sam, things like that where

1458
00:51:28,861 --> 00:51:30,844
you gonna pull a sim card out add

1459
00:51:30,844 --> 00:51:32,272
a new. You don't do any of that.

1460
00:51:32,510 --> 00:51:34,389
And you just flip the button on, hit

1461
00:51:34,588 --> 00:51:36,896
scans, it finds it, holds onto to it,

1462
00:51:37,056 --> 00:51:39,603
and that's what you're using. So that's been

1463
00:51:39,603 --> 00:51:43,105
really helpful with getting service in areas where

1464
00:51:43,105 --> 00:51:45,109
you may not know what's works out there.

1465
00:51:45,507 --> 00:51:46,938
I know Robbie, that was 1 of the

1466
00:51:46,938 --> 00:51:48,847
things he looked about it was, you know,

1467
00:51:48,926 --> 00:51:50,994
it was put services an issue out west.

1468
00:51:51,152 --> 00:51:53,300
And and he was able to to utilize

1469
00:51:53,300 --> 00:51:55,628
that in the back country. And so the

1470
00:51:55,628 --> 00:51:58,185
auto connect has been huge. Also on all

1471
00:51:58,185 --> 00:52:00,742
the edge Series cameras, there's no Sd card.

1472
00:52:00,982 --> 00:52:02,660
So you don't have to buy 1. There's

1473
00:52:02,660 --> 00:52:03,355
not a price

1474
00:52:03,872 --> 00:52:06,418
it has internal memory in a. The big

1475
00:52:06,418 --> 00:52:08,964
reason we did that is... The Sd card

1476
00:52:08,964 --> 00:52:10,715
is kind of the weakest link to in

1477
00:52:10,715 --> 00:52:13,839
people getting their images right? So we remove

1478
00:52:13,839 --> 00:52:16,719
that, went to the internal memory, and it

1479
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:18,719
has made the the edge camera, any of

1480
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,533
the edge cameras the most. Reliable ones we've

1481
00:52:21,533 --> 00:52:24,250
we've built yet. And so the edge pro,

1482
00:52:24,490 --> 00:52:26,967
which launched last year. And the big news

1483
00:52:26,967 --> 00:52:29,365
with that, we put on the ultra mobile

1484
00:52:29,365 --> 00:52:32,253
app launched sure images, go to the cloud

1485
00:52:32,253 --> 00:52:34,246
and they're on the app. There is a

1486
00:52:34,246 --> 00:52:37,038
technology built in On the half side. That

1487
00:52:37,038 --> 00:52:39,590
way you can filter her through box, dos,

1488
00:52:40,164 --> 00:52:40,664
turkeys,

1489
00:52:41,281 --> 00:52:44,072
bears, hogs, people, vehicles. We got all kind

1490
00:52:44,072 --> 00:52:45,987
of stuff a that you can use. We

1491
00:52:45,987 --> 00:52:47,821
put with the edge pro. We put the

1492
00:52:47,901 --> 00:52:49,815
Ai tech in the cameras.

1493
00:52:50,149 --> 00:52:52,382
So now you have the Ai on the

1494
00:52:52,382 --> 00:52:54,934
front end, and what that allows you to

1495
00:52:54,934 --> 00:52:57,668
do with the camera is you can target

1496
00:52:57,885 --> 00:53:01,331
species or or select species and say hi.

1497
00:53:01,570 --> 00:53:04,204
Look, I only want images, the box and

1498
00:53:04,204 --> 00:53:06,199
da, You know, it's deer season. I I

1499
00:53:06,199 --> 00:53:08,525
don't care about turkeys out I don't care

1500
00:53:08,525 --> 00:53:10,990
about raccoons and all these other critters. I

1501
00:53:10,990 --> 00:53:13,375
just want my buck and no images. So

1502
00:53:13,375 --> 00:53:15,521
you can go into what's called smart tags.

1503
00:53:15,934 --> 00:53:18,806
Click on that and what happens when the

1504
00:53:18,806 --> 00:53:21,938
edge pro will take a picture. It immediately

1505
00:53:22,155 --> 00:53:24,708
scans it with that Ai and is saying

1506
00:53:24,708 --> 00:53:27,434
is the target Feces in here. If it

1507
00:53:27,434 --> 00:53:29,747
is, it sends it to you. If it's

1508
00:53:29,747 --> 00:53:32,300
not, you never even get that image. So

1509
00:53:32,300 --> 00:53:35,012
click out Windy days and the grass is

1510
00:53:35,012 --> 00:53:37,099
blowing in your is getting blown up with

1511
00:53:37,099 --> 00:53:39,731
all these images of nothing. Those don't even

1512
00:53:39,731 --> 00:53:42,840
come through anymore. The camera still takes the

1513
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,486
motion activated image would it only send you

1514
00:53:45,486 --> 00:53:47,958
what you want. So that's gonna cut down

1515
00:53:47,958 --> 00:53:50,192
the clutter in your gallery feed on your

1516
00:53:50,192 --> 00:53:52,983
ass. That also will save on battery life

1517
00:53:52,983 --> 00:53:55,875
over time because now all these images of

1518
00:53:55,875 --> 00:53:58,355
nothing aren't being uploaded to the server,

1519
00:53:58,755 --> 00:54:00,755
which is a big power consumer in a

1520
00:54:00,755 --> 00:54:03,649
cell camera. So that's that's kinda That was

1521
00:54:03,649 --> 00:54:05,407
kind of the big feature, but some of

1522
00:54:05,407 --> 00:54:07,724
the other things built in on the hedge

1523
00:54:07,724 --> 00:54:09,263
pro. It's got live.

1524
00:54:09,641 --> 00:54:12,131
So when you're there at the... Tree setting

1525
00:54:12,131 --> 00:54:15,238
the camera it will Bluetooth connect with your

1526
00:54:15,238 --> 00:54:17,708
phone. And in the W mobile app, you

1527
00:54:17,708 --> 00:54:18,527
did a live

1528
00:54:18,838 --> 00:54:21,456
video feed from the cameras. So you can

1529
00:54:21,456 --> 00:54:23,677
move it left and right and see it

1530
00:54:23,677 --> 00:54:26,296
in real time and know that you have

1531
00:54:26,296 --> 00:54:28,537
that camera set. Just like you want it,

1532
00:54:28,697 --> 00:54:30,687
you're gonna get the image you want. So

1533
00:54:30,687 --> 00:54:33,474
that feature is is exclusive to the edge

1534
00:54:33,474 --> 00:54:36,616
pro. We've also got something call smart zones

1535
00:54:36,673 --> 00:54:38,661
in there. So when you think of smart

1536
00:54:38,661 --> 00:54:41,605
zones, it's kinda like your home security system,

1537
00:54:41,923 --> 00:54:44,326
you'll see for each image you have, it

1538
00:54:44,326 --> 00:54:47,034
will take the latest image, and it super

1539
00:54:47,034 --> 00:54:51,015
impose the motion detection zones on that image.

1540
00:54:51,428 --> 00:54:53,885
And you've have the ability to turn those

1541
00:54:53,885 --> 00:54:55,947
on and all. And the reason you may

1542
00:54:55,947 --> 00:54:58,587
wanna do that is you set your camera,

1543
00:54:59,054 --> 00:55:01,049
you know, the winds blow under or whatever.

1544
00:55:01,288 --> 00:55:03,463
You you always will get a limb somewhere

1545
00:55:03,522 --> 00:55:06,076
that hangs down. Now that limbs blowing,

1546
00:55:06,489 --> 00:55:08,960
and it's triggering your camera and taking these

1547
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,671
pictures of nothing again. You can go into

1548
00:55:11,671 --> 00:55:14,881
the smart zones and turn the zones off

1549
00:55:15,274 --> 00:55:17,909
outline that limb, and those will no longer

1550
00:55:17,909 --> 00:55:21,182
fire for motion, but everything else is still

1551
00:55:21,182 --> 00:55:23,497
detecting and firing. So you get the animals

1552
00:55:23,497 --> 00:55:25,742
as they come through but maybe, you know,

1553
00:55:25,981 --> 00:55:27,966
that 10 miles in the back country, and

1554
00:55:27,966 --> 00:55:29,316
you're not gonna be able to get to

1555
00:55:29,316 --> 00:55:31,461
it for some time. You can just go

1556
00:55:31,461 --> 00:55:33,922
in there and turn those zones off. Another

1557
00:55:33,922 --> 00:55:35,930
time At... Comes in handy as the spring.

1558
00:55:36,329 --> 00:55:38,801
Grass starts brewing, they start blowing in the

1559
00:55:38,801 --> 00:55:41,034
bottom. You get all these triggers. You can

1560
00:55:41,034 --> 00:55:43,587
turn those zones off and still have the

1561
00:55:43,587 --> 00:55:44,087
animals.

1562
00:55:44,878 --> 00:55:47,028
Come through. You know, those were some of

1563
00:55:47,028 --> 00:55:49,020
the big features on the edge pro.

1564
00:55:49,817 --> 00:55:53,097
Now we've just launched the edge 2 pro.

1565
00:55:53,335 --> 00:55:55,746
We got power and edge 2, which is

1566
00:55:55,882 --> 00:55:58,748
the second generation of the original model and

1567
00:55:58,748 --> 00:56:00,918
we've got an edge to Pro. It has

1568
00:56:00,918 --> 00:56:03,234
all those same features built into it,

1569
00:56:03,953 --> 00:56:06,965
but it's got some, upgraded features as well

1570
00:56:07,243 --> 00:56:09,550
Now with the edge 2 pro and the

1571
00:56:09,550 --> 00:56:12,414
edge 2, we have on demand. So now

1572
00:56:12,414 --> 00:56:14,976
you can from the app. Tell the camera,

1573
00:56:15,215 --> 00:56:17,289
I want you to take a image or

1574
00:56:17,289 --> 00:56:20,000
a video, it will immediately do that and

1575
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,232
then immediately send it back to you. So

1576
00:56:22,232 --> 00:56:24,161
you can get you know, you can tell

1577
00:56:24,161 --> 00:56:25,835
the camera when to take an image now.

1578
00:56:26,074 --> 00:56:28,626
It's still gonna be motion activated, but you

1579
00:56:28,626 --> 00:56:29,503
have the ability.

1580
00:56:29,982 --> 00:56:32,135
Guys like to do that sometimes that maybe...

1581
00:56:32,548 --> 00:56:34,537
Nothing's come out of camera in a while.

1582
00:56:34,935 --> 00:56:37,004
Hey. Is that still working? They'll view a

1583
00:56:37,004 --> 00:56:38,994
test image, it it comes through on demand.

1584
00:56:39,232 --> 00:56:41,594
Other ways to you to utilize that is

1585
00:56:41,794 --> 00:56:44,184
now dies in the east hunting food plots,

1586
00:56:44,422 --> 00:56:46,255
things like... Maybe they wanna see if there's

1587
00:56:46,255 --> 00:56:48,167
any deer out in that plot before they

1588
00:56:48,167 --> 00:56:49,851
again or and if there are, then they,

1589
00:56:49,931 --> 00:56:51,440
you know, they know, hey. Don't I don't

1590
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,505
need to here now because I'm gonna sp

1591
00:56:53,505 --> 00:56:56,046
off game. So on demands a new feature,

1592
00:56:56,284 --> 00:56:58,945
the Edge 2 pro also now has... Gps

1593
00:56:59,164 --> 00:57:01,484
filter in. So when you hang your camera

1594
00:57:01,484 --> 00:57:04,364
off, it's automatically gonna pin you in the

1595
00:57:04,364 --> 00:57:04,864
app

1596
00:57:05,164 --> 00:57:07,484
section... I'm sorry. The map section of the

1597
00:57:07,484 --> 00:57:09,978
app, So now those cameras you you'll have

1598
00:57:09,978 --> 00:57:12,135
the pin on the map, right where that

1599
00:57:12,135 --> 00:57:12,775
camera is.

1600
00:57:13,494 --> 00:57:15,891
And the the new edge 2 pro also

1601
00:57:15,891 --> 00:57:16,930
has the the.

1602
00:57:17,824 --> 00:57:21,105
Full Hd video in its. It'll take up

1603
00:57:21,105 --> 00:57:24,464
to 20 second video clips with audio. So

1604
00:57:24,464 --> 00:57:27,429
you get a lot really beautiful videos out

1605
00:57:27,429 --> 00:57:28,327
of this camera

1606
00:57:28,703 --> 00:57:31,010
of game coming by. You know, it's it's

1607
00:57:31,010 --> 00:57:33,476
me because, you know, game are always making

1608
00:57:33,476 --> 00:57:36,195
vocal hospitalizations, things like that. And you get

1609
00:57:36,195 --> 00:57:37,784
really hear a lot of that that you

1610
00:57:37,784 --> 00:57:40,032
don't necessarily hear when you're in the field

1611
00:57:40,246 --> 00:57:42,392
or or did a experience it up closed,

1612
00:57:42,551 --> 00:57:45,036
so it really really kind of brings more

1613
00:57:45,036 --> 00:57:48,228
to life using those videos, but those 2

1614
00:57:48,228 --> 00:57:51,340
cameras are are available now for purchase.

1615
00:57:51,754 --> 00:57:51,992
You know,

1616
00:57:52,865 --> 00:57:55,668
on on mo feeder dot com or

1617
00:57:56,041 --> 00:57:57,708
anywhere vast pro, Cab

1618
00:57:58,105 --> 00:58:00,010
Amazon. It's it's all over the place. So

1619
00:58:00,010 --> 00:58:01,137
you can find that. Now.

1620
00:58:02,647 --> 00:58:05,666
You pursue them. You cherish them, and now

1621
00:58:05,666 --> 00:58:08,541
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1622
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1623
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1624
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1625
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1626
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1627
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1628
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1629
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1630
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1631
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1632
00:58:33,054 --> 00:58:35,043
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1633
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1634
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1635
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1636
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1637
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1638
00:58:43,421 --> 00:58:44,138
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1639
00:58:45,015 --> 00:58:46,168
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1640
00:58:46,704 --> 00:58:49,834
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1641
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1642
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,640
In Yeah. It's super intriguing. 1 I love

1643
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,025
video just because you can analyze it over

1644
00:58:58,025 --> 00:59:00,329
and over again later. There's so much going

1645
00:59:00,329 --> 00:59:03,155
on. But Being able to control your camera

1646
00:59:03,213 --> 00:59:05,766
remotely. I mean, that technology is only gonna

1647
00:59:05,766 --> 00:59:07,600
continue to grow and grow, but that's 1

1648
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:09,355
of the big problems I have with my

1649
00:59:09,355 --> 00:59:11,085
cameras is. I'll trim out out all the

1650
00:59:11,204 --> 00:59:13,119
gains and then a limb will will drop

1651
00:59:13,119 --> 00:59:15,511
in later, trying to find some more sunlight

1652
00:59:15,511 --> 00:59:17,824
after I've already trimmed it out. So those

1653
00:59:17,824 --> 00:59:20,616
zones... I mean, that's can be huge. Updating

1654
00:59:20,616 --> 00:59:23,023
your to only get your target animal when

1655
00:59:23,023 --> 00:59:25,177
you're way out there. I don't like to

1656
00:59:25,177 --> 00:59:26,771
go back in there and drop batteries. I

1657
00:59:26,771 --> 00:59:29,164
know Robbie lets his so go almost the

1658
00:59:29,164 --> 00:59:31,486
entire year. So that No wonder he loves

1659
00:59:31,486 --> 00:59:32,992
these things. I mean, there's just so much

1660
00:59:32,992 --> 00:59:33,467
technology,

1661
00:59:33,864 --> 00:59:36,479
and that on demand, I know when I'm

1662
00:59:36,479 --> 00:59:38,479
back east, Hunt and White towels. You know,

1663
00:59:38,799 --> 00:59:40,397
they won't trigger the camera, but they'll be

1664
00:59:40,397 --> 00:59:41,995
in the background in the food plot. So

1665
00:59:41,995 --> 00:59:43,354
that does make a lot of sense. You

1666
00:59:43,354 --> 00:59:44,952
know, they might cannot not be skirt in

1667
00:59:44,952 --> 00:59:46,791
that tree, but they're still using that plot

1668
00:59:46,791 --> 00:59:48,163
waiting the vacuum you could still see him.

1669
00:59:48,322 --> 00:59:50,315
So... Yep. You guys are always pushing them

1670
00:59:50,315 --> 00:59:52,147
lo there, Mark over there at Malt. Yeah.

1671
00:59:52,386 --> 00:59:53,900
The... Well, you know, and that's what our

1672
00:59:53,900 --> 00:59:56,461
team looks for is. How can we solve

1673
00:59:56,461 --> 00:59:59,161
problems for hunters. That that... That's that's what

1674
00:59:59,161 --> 01:00:01,068
we hang to do. That's what the edge

1675
01:00:01,068 --> 01:00:03,450
camera came out. That's why it's been such

1676
01:00:03,450 --> 01:00:05,691
a big success. And you know, that's what

1677
01:00:05,691 --> 01:00:07,682
we continue to build on and, you know,

1678
01:00:07,841 --> 01:00:10,230
for the white tail guys that that live,

1679
01:00:10,309 --> 01:00:12,061
you know, in the east and in states

1680
01:00:12,061 --> 01:00:14,541
where you can actually use... Beater and and

1681
01:00:14,700 --> 01:00:17,401
Bay. We've come out this year. It's available

1682
01:00:17,401 --> 01:00:19,387
as well with got. It's called Speed hub,

1683
01:00:19,864 --> 01:00:22,898
but it's a cellular connect it's theater, and

1684
01:00:22,898 --> 01:00:24,487
what that allows you to do in your

1685
01:00:24,487 --> 01:00:27,030
multi mobile app, you can now see your

1686
01:00:27,030 --> 01:00:29,494
beef levels in your feeder, you can see

1687
01:00:29,494 --> 01:00:30,606
your battery levels,

1688
01:00:31,099 --> 01:00:33,412
You change all your feeder settings from the

1689
01:00:33,412 --> 01:00:35,326
app. You can even see it on demand

1690
01:00:35,326 --> 01:00:36,921
to make the feeder go off when you

1691
01:00:36,921 --> 01:00:39,713
want it to. So we're we're always looking

1692
01:00:39,713 --> 01:00:42,440
for solutions to help partners. Now they don't

1693
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:43,954
have to go and open the lid and

1694
01:00:43,954 --> 01:00:45,709
look in and say, I'm out of corn,

1695
01:00:45,869 --> 01:00:48,840
you know? Now you can actually monitor that

1696
01:00:48,898 --> 01:00:51,468
remotely, which is not been a capability that's

1697
01:00:51,468 --> 01:00:54,104
been out there before. So we're we're always

1698
01:00:54,104 --> 01:00:57,300
pushing it inside the app is tons of

1699
01:00:57,300 --> 01:00:59,306
features, I won't go into everything, but we

1700
01:00:59,306 --> 01:01:02,092
have game plan, which is a forecasting model

1701
01:01:02,092 --> 01:01:04,958
for deere movement. We have activity chart, which

1702
01:01:04,958 --> 01:01:05,197
is

1703
01:01:06,087 --> 01:01:08,869
Historical look back at what times were animals

1704
01:01:08,869 --> 01:01:11,650
moving basically you on, temperature, time at day,

1705
01:01:11,889 --> 01:01:14,373
things like that. So we we have full

1706
01:01:14,373 --> 01:01:17,329
mapping and weather features in there. So we

1707
01:01:17,329 --> 01:01:20,446
pack everything in there so that a guy

1708
01:01:20,446 --> 01:01:22,692
can plant his haunt. With 1 app, again,

1709
01:01:22,771 --> 01:01:25,154
the multi mobile system and they're connected to

1710
01:01:25,154 --> 01:01:27,617
their property or their hunting place and that

1711
01:01:27,617 --> 01:01:30,101
got that intel that they need going in,

1712
01:01:30,580 --> 01:01:32,176
you know, when they're ready to hot. Yeah.

1713
01:01:32,335 --> 01:01:35,548
That sounds super convenient, especially, I mean, western

1714
01:01:35,607 --> 01:01:38,568
hunting is a lot of farther way travel,

1715
01:01:38,727 --> 01:01:40,476
but that eastern honey, man, when you get

1716
01:01:40,476 --> 01:01:42,646
up in there, those deer are super sensitive

1717
01:01:42,782 --> 01:01:44,293
to where you're moving around, and that just

1718
01:01:44,293 --> 01:01:45,407
makes a lot of sense to be able

1719
01:01:45,407 --> 01:01:47,494
to make all those adjustments without half not

1720
01:01:47,494 --> 01:01:49,331
to touch or or be right next to

1721
01:01:49,331 --> 01:01:52,369
it there. Absolutely. It it's a huge different

1722
01:01:52,369 --> 01:01:54,606
in white delaware world or things are more

1723
01:01:54,606 --> 01:01:55,725
out close and personal.

1724
01:01:56,219 --> 01:01:58,612
That's for sure. Well, If anybody has any

1725
01:01:58,612 --> 01:02:00,845
questions or wants to ask you about these

1726
01:02:00,845 --> 01:02:02,520
products, can they reach out to you guys

1727
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:05,311
over there? Yeah. Absolutely. We've out ways on

1728
01:02:05,311 --> 01:02:08,199
the website to reach out, multi mobile dot

1729
01:02:08,199 --> 01:02:09,476
com, multi feeder.

1730
01:02:09,954 --> 01:02:10,753
We've got a whole,

1731
01:02:11,391 --> 01:02:13,920
you know, customer service department where we got

1732
01:02:14,039 --> 01:02:17,058
phone number everything. Those folks are wonderful. They're

1733
01:02:17,058 --> 01:02:18,965
they're there 7 days a week, so you

1734
01:02:18,965 --> 01:02:20,872
can reach them on the weekends and, you

1735
01:02:20,872 --> 01:02:23,042
know, that's that's another thing that we pride

1736
01:02:23,042 --> 01:02:25,439
cell on as our customer service. If there

1737
01:02:25,439 --> 01:02:28,075
is an issue or anything like that. Our

1738
01:02:28,075 --> 01:02:30,390
folks... They're ready to help and and assist

1739
01:02:30,390 --> 01:02:32,688
and get that going. Alright, Mark. Sounds awesome.

1740
01:02:32,925 --> 01:02:34,668
I look forward to seeing some of these

1741
01:02:34,668 --> 01:02:36,749
pictures Robby Scott. I know you got these

1742
01:02:36,749 --> 01:02:38,818
new edge pro two's going out to him.

1743
01:02:39,057 --> 01:02:41,206
I'm excited to hear how he likes them

1744
01:02:41,206 --> 01:02:43,037
at the end of the year. Absolutely. Yeah.

1745
01:02:43,276 --> 01:02:45,449
Thanks. Thanks for having us on. We appreciate

1746
01:02:45,449 --> 01:02:47,050
it. Thank you. We'll catch up with you.

1747
01:02:47,289 --> 01:02:50,410
Sounds good. Alright. Moving on. No scouting episode

1748
01:02:50,410 --> 01:02:52,969
is complete without talking ninja scoping. Nothing makes

1749
01:02:52,969 --> 01:02:55,702
that. Experience better than sharing photos and videos

1750
01:02:55,702 --> 01:02:57,539
with friends of family. We have caught up

1751
01:02:57,539 --> 01:02:59,777
with a company. Everyone is heard of. Phone

1752
01:02:59,777 --> 01:03:01,635
scope, phone scope was 1 of the pioneering

1753
01:03:01,695 --> 01:03:03,789
companies of quick and easy attachment for your

1754
01:03:03,789 --> 01:03:05,550
cell phone, the spotting scope. You have the

1755
01:03:05,550 --> 01:03:08,590
man himself, coach achieve, general manager, at phone

1756
01:03:08,590 --> 01:03:10,030
scope to tell us what's new over there

1757
01:03:10,030 --> 01:03:12,042
in Beaver Utah welcome to the show, Tanner?

1758
01:03:12,281 --> 01:03:14,776
Hey, Sam. Thanks for having me. Excited to

1759
01:03:14,915 --> 01:03:17,708
talk full scope and some history on calling

1760
01:03:17,708 --> 01:03:19,224
what's going on? Yeah. So what don't you...

1761
01:03:19,479 --> 01:03:21,315
Kinda just give us a quick recap of

1762
01:03:21,315 --> 01:03:22,831
kind of the history you guys got going

1763
01:03:22,831 --> 01:03:25,705
on over. Yeah. So we started the phone

1764
01:03:25,705 --> 01:03:27,860
scope journey back in 20 12.

1765
01:03:28,432 --> 01:03:30,018
Kind of a side project for a few

1766
01:03:30,018 --> 01:03:31,153
years. And then

1767
01:03:31,605 --> 01:03:34,088
when he 15, we got busy enough, and

1768
01:03:34,381 --> 01:03:36,047
I quit my job doing insurance.

1769
01:03:36,619 --> 01:03:39,331
And the took this on full time. And,

1770
01:03:39,890 --> 01:03:41,028
since then, we've

1771
01:03:41,565 --> 01:03:43,501
revamped the case multiple times,

1772
01:03:43,972 --> 01:03:46,119
we're really excited for the Carbon Pro that

1773
01:03:46,119 --> 01:03:46,915
we launched this year.

1774
01:03:47,710 --> 01:03:49,779
That's definitely been the the biggest upgrade, I

1775
01:03:49,779 --> 01:03:50,097
would say.

1776
01:03:50,827 --> 01:03:53,206
Over the years. So, yeah. It's it's been

1777
01:03:53,206 --> 01:03:54,713
it's been a heck of a journey more

1778
01:03:54,713 --> 01:03:56,061
than I thought it was gonna be, and

1779
01:03:56,061 --> 01:03:58,202
we're we're hoping to push it another 10:12

1780
01:03:58,202 --> 01:04:00,443
years. Yeah. Awesome. I remember when you guys

1781
01:04:00,443 --> 01:04:02,272
first came out. I mean, you know, basically,

1782
01:04:02,510 --> 01:04:04,578
there was only a few other choices now,

1783
01:04:04,737 --> 01:04:06,725
you know, there's there's a broad array. Everybody's...

1784
01:04:07,139 --> 01:04:08,578
Jumped into the arena. So why don't you

1785
01:04:08,578 --> 01:04:10,176
just take it straight into the Carbon pro,

1786
01:04:10,256 --> 01:04:12,653
what's what's new over there? Sure. So the

1787
01:04:12,653 --> 01:04:15,050
carbon pro, you know, starting off with the

1788
01:04:15,050 --> 01:04:18,334
case itself gonna it's gotten the shock absorbing

1789
01:04:18,334 --> 01:04:20,724
bumper on the corners that we've used on

1790
01:04:20,724 --> 01:04:23,353
our elder injected cases for some time. It's

1791
01:04:23,353 --> 01:04:25,047
got Mag safe compatibility.

1792
01:04:25,517 --> 01:04:27,342
About the Max safely on the back. So

1793
01:04:27,342 --> 01:04:29,166
that'll work with few of our different mounts.

1794
01:04:29,404 --> 01:04:32,022
Works with wireless charging. We've got a tripod

1795
01:04:32,022 --> 01:04:34,030
mount so that'll attach to the leg of

1796
01:04:34,030 --> 01:04:35,945
the tripod. So the foam case is right

1797
01:04:35,945 --> 01:04:37,541
there in handy for you to use. But

1798
01:04:37,541 --> 01:04:39,457
it'll also, you know, attach to a roll

1799
01:04:39,457 --> 01:04:41,857
bar or your... Your E bike handle bar,

1800
01:04:42,016 --> 01:04:44,657
your motorcycle. Then we've brought on a wireless

1801
01:04:44,950 --> 01:04:47,963
charging dash mount, which I use probably the

1802
01:04:47,963 --> 01:04:49,969
most. I mean, anytime I'm driving in my

1803
01:04:49,969 --> 01:04:51,803
truck, my phone's is charging and it's it's

1804
01:04:51,803 --> 01:04:53,637
right there for me along with a a

1805
01:04:53,637 --> 01:04:54,137
wireless

1806
01:04:54,514 --> 01:04:56,587
battery bank, little charger your phone 1 to

1807
01:04:56,587 --> 01:04:58,755
1 and a half. Times, then a leather

1808
01:04:58,755 --> 01:05:01,945
wallet accessory. I was been surprised. The wallet

1809
01:05:01,945 --> 01:05:04,179
1 was was asked for for many years.

1810
01:05:04,418 --> 01:05:06,172
And, yeah. So we we brought that to

1811
01:05:06,172 --> 01:05:08,182
the table as well. But to get into

1812
01:05:08,182 --> 01:05:10,175
the digit scope inside of it with phones,

1813
01:05:10,415 --> 01:05:13,446
it allows you to adjust between lenses. So

1814
01:05:13,446 --> 01:05:15,041
if you wanna dig scope with the 1

1815
01:05:15,041 --> 01:05:17,449
x lens or the 3 x lens, It

1816
01:05:17,449 --> 01:05:19,762
makes it a lot easier to switch between

1817
01:05:19,762 --> 01:05:21,995
those lenses now. So the carbon pro use,

1818
01:05:22,234 --> 01:05:23,909
use the Mag safe mount on the back

1819
01:05:23,909 --> 01:05:25,925
of the case, and you can just simply

1820
01:05:25,983 --> 01:05:28,470
slide between the 1 x or I believe

1821
01:05:28,470 --> 01:05:30,622
even the fx lens now. This the new

1822
01:05:30,622 --> 01:05:32,137
iphones. 3X5X.

1823
01:05:32,296 --> 01:05:34,210
The it'll switch between the wide angle and

1824
01:05:34,210 --> 01:05:36,930
the telephoto lens almost. But what's really neat

1825
01:05:36,930 --> 01:05:39,471
compared to our older or original case is

1826
01:05:39,471 --> 01:05:41,217
that you can slide it while it's on

1827
01:05:41,217 --> 01:05:42,646
the optic. So you don't have to pull

1828
01:05:42,646 --> 01:05:44,570
the phone off, slide the disc and put

1829
01:05:44,570 --> 01:05:46,402
it back on. You can just simply slide

1830
01:05:46,402 --> 01:05:48,791
it between those 2 lenses. So for me,

1831
01:05:48,951 --> 01:05:52,456
when I'm scouting, generally looking long distances and

1832
01:05:52,949 --> 01:05:55,349
I'm always using the telephoto lens. I feel

1833
01:05:55,349 --> 01:05:58,069
like it works much better quality wise. When

1834
01:05:58,069 --> 01:06:00,489
you're using an optical zoom versus the pension

1835
01:06:00,630 --> 01:06:02,878
housing. On a run x like you'll see

1836
01:06:02,878 --> 01:06:05,746
with other companies. Carbon pro, the aluminum frame

1837
01:06:05,746 --> 01:06:08,708
the carbon fiber back. It's super tough and

1838
01:06:08,708 --> 01:06:10,621
it works really well when you're out of

1839
01:06:10,621 --> 01:06:12,854
field digit scoping and just as an everyday

1840
01:06:12,854 --> 01:06:15,325
case. Yeah. I was pretty excited. I know

1841
01:06:15,325 --> 01:06:16,361
a lot of times when I get out

1842
01:06:16,361 --> 01:06:17,889
there. I mean... Being able to hook the

1843
01:06:17,889 --> 01:06:19,639
battery bank directly to the back of your

1844
01:06:19,639 --> 01:06:22,025
phone and just put your phone away. Super

1845
01:06:22,025 --> 01:06:23,695
convenient. I mean, that drew my attention right

1846
01:06:23,695 --> 01:06:24,985
away. And I agree with you, like, I

1847
01:06:24,985 --> 01:06:26,339
mean, I could see where the wallet would

1848
01:06:26,339 --> 01:06:28,251
be pretty handy, especially if you didn't carry

1849
01:06:28,251 --> 01:06:29,525
a lot of stuff, but, you know, you

1850
01:06:29,525 --> 01:06:31,038
always have your phone with you. So you

1851
01:06:31,038 --> 01:06:32,392
just reach down and grab it and and

1852
01:06:32,392 --> 01:06:33,996
it's on the way. And those things just

1853
01:06:33,996 --> 01:06:35,741
come straight on and off just super quick.

1854
01:06:35,979 --> 01:06:38,120
Yeah. Yeah. It's been really well received. And

1855
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:39,627
you know, we opened it up the first

1856
01:06:39,627 --> 01:06:40,816
of this year for pre orders.

1857
01:06:41,388 --> 01:06:44,256
Recovering the iphone 13 and up, so all

1858
01:06:44,256 --> 01:06:46,726
the iphone cases, you know, up to the

1859
01:06:46,726 --> 01:06:49,434
15 Pro max are available as shipping, galaxy,

1860
01:06:49,753 --> 01:06:51,439
Amazon side of things, We're doing the s

1861
01:06:51,439 --> 01:06:53,346
23 and up. So the s 23 and

1862
01:06:53,346 --> 01:06:56,444
s 24 are available now, and the ultra,

1863
01:06:56,682 --> 01:06:58,907
the s 23 ultra and s 24 Ultra.

1864
01:06:59,398 --> 01:07:01,541
That will be ready. Those will start shipping

1865
01:07:01,541 --> 01:07:03,525
here in the next week. Oh, no. We've

1866
01:07:03,525 --> 01:07:05,612
got, you know, most of those popular phones

1867
01:07:06,223 --> 01:07:08,542
available and and ready to... To get going

1868
01:07:08,542 --> 01:07:10,455
for scouting season. And then the attachment to

1869
01:07:10,455 --> 01:07:13,186
the spotting scope is pretty much your proprietary

1870
01:07:13,244 --> 01:07:15,078
system that you've always used. If you've had

1871
01:07:15,078 --> 01:07:16,926
1 for your scope in your older systems,

1872
01:07:17,165 --> 01:07:18,759
it'll work with the new carbon pro. Correct

1873
01:07:18,919 --> 01:07:21,411
Correct. Yeah. So those c 3 optic adapters

1874
01:07:21,549 --> 01:07:24,673
or the adjustable u 1 and 2. Those

1875
01:07:24,673 --> 01:07:27,068
will work with with the new Card pro,

1876
01:07:27,628 --> 01:07:29,703
fun scope cases. Yeah. Super nice that you

1877
01:07:29,703 --> 01:07:31,220
did don't have to worry about that. I

1878
01:07:31,220 --> 01:07:32,816
know 1 of the things that I have

1879
01:07:32,816 --> 01:07:34,505
from you guys. I don't even know how

1880
01:07:34,505 --> 01:07:36,017
long I had it maybe 8 or 10

1881
01:07:36,017 --> 01:07:38,166
years is that bluetooth shutter. I mean, I

1882
01:07:38,166 --> 01:07:40,475
still use that thing every every year, the

1883
01:07:40,475 --> 01:07:42,240
convenience level of that is... Super great. But

1884
01:07:42,319 --> 01:07:43,908
I've been surprised. You know, a lot of

1885
01:07:43,908 --> 01:07:45,576
those things. They don't last the test of

1886
01:07:45,576 --> 01:07:47,324
time and this thing's been been good. So...

1887
01:07:47,483 --> 01:07:49,628
Yeah. And that that shutter button. It is

1888
01:07:49,628 --> 01:07:52,349
also Covered with our lifetime warranties. If it,

1889
01:07:52,508 --> 01:07:54,817
you know, ever takes a dive on, let

1890
01:07:54,817 --> 01:07:56,409
us know and we'll send you a replacement.

1891
01:07:56,648 --> 01:07:58,295
Nice. On on the other side of things

1892
01:07:58,414 --> 01:07:59,608
guys do a lot of stuff over there

1893
01:07:59,608 --> 01:08:01,518
in Beaver Utah, talk about some of the

1894
01:08:01,518 --> 01:08:02,950
other things you guys do over there. Some

1895
01:08:02,950 --> 01:08:04,940
of your other lineup ups like, p Putt

1896
01:08:04,940 --> 01:08:06,626
maybe for a minute. Sure. You Yeah. So

1897
01:08:06,706 --> 01:08:08,536
Fire putt, I've we've even been working with

1898
01:08:08,536 --> 01:08:11,481
that now for 6 years, waterproof proof fire

1899
01:08:11,481 --> 01:08:13,232
starter. So if it gets wet, you know,

1900
01:08:13,391 --> 01:08:15,323
you just... Ring it out, re expose the

1901
01:08:15,323 --> 01:08:17,081
fibers, and and you can light it right

1902
01:08:17,081 --> 01:08:19,498
up with the, you know, standard butane lighter

1903
01:08:19,558 --> 01:08:22,775
or a fe rod. We also sell rechargeable

1904
01:08:23,168 --> 01:08:24,360
arc lighter that

1905
01:08:24,917 --> 01:08:26,904
we'll get the pudding lit no problem. Our

1906
01:08:26,904 --> 01:08:29,447
new elite lighter is blown the dark, so

1907
01:08:29,447 --> 01:08:31,433
it's easy to find, but also has a

1908
01:08:31,433 --> 01:08:33,519
compartment on the bottom of the lighter, so

1909
01:08:33,519 --> 01:08:35,432
you can store your putt and it just

1910
01:08:35,432 --> 01:08:37,984
makes a nice little handy fire kit. Nice

1911
01:08:37,984 --> 01:08:40,877
little package. Yeah. A really nice little package

1912
01:08:41,188 --> 01:08:43,249
What's new this year for P putt is

1913
01:08:43,249 --> 01:08:44,304
our new fireballs.

1914
01:08:44,835 --> 01:08:46,500
So instead of, you know, like a 2

1915
01:08:46,500 --> 01:08:48,403
ounce can where it's just a bolt package.

1916
01:08:48,894 --> 01:08:51,045
They come in, you know, basically, as you

1917
01:08:51,045 --> 01:08:53,593
call pre assembled little balls. So you just

1918
01:08:53,593 --> 01:08:55,664
pull 1 out. Expose the fibers and light

1919
01:08:55,664 --> 01:08:57,337
it up. It it's a good size of

1920
01:08:57,337 --> 01:09:00,223
burns for 6 to 8 minutes depending on

1921
01:09:00,223 --> 01:09:03,435
conditions, but plenty of firepower to to even

1922
01:09:03,493 --> 01:09:05,886
get wet, you know, wet tender lit for

1923
01:09:05,886 --> 01:09:07,640
you. Yeah. I know Robbie uses it a

1924
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:10,046
lot. I really don't have too much fire.

1925
01:09:10,364 --> 01:09:11,878
I try to hunt the early season where

1926
01:09:11,878 --> 01:09:13,311
it's not super cold out most of the

1927
01:09:13,311 --> 01:09:14,984
time because I'm a baby like that. But

1928
01:09:14,984 --> 01:09:16,577
for people that don't know and maybe haven't

1929
01:09:16,577 --> 01:09:18,659
seen it, it's like a cotton ball, only

1930
01:09:18,659 --> 01:09:21,863
the mixture that you soak into the fibers

1931
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:24,067
that aren't cotton, you know, it's similar, but

1932
01:09:24,067 --> 01:09:25,896
it lights much more easier than that you

1933
01:09:25,896 --> 01:09:27,742
could ever get a cotton white don't? Yeah,

1934
01:09:27,981 --> 01:09:30,214
absolutely. And once it's lit, you know, it

1935
01:09:30,214 --> 01:09:32,128
really it does a really good job of

1936
01:09:32,128 --> 01:09:34,839
staying lit. It's also semi tacky, so you

1937
01:09:34,839 --> 01:09:35,796
can put it on the end of a

1938
01:09:35,796 --> 01:09:38,127
stick. White or the underside of a piece

1939
01:09:38,127 --> 01:09:39,326
of wood that you're trying to get lit,

1940
01:09:39,725 --> 01:09:41,243
light it, and then it'll just kinda burn

1941
01:09:41,243 --> 01:09:42,762
up through it. And so it's... Yeah. It's

1942
01:09:42,762 --> 01:09:45,732
really handy stuff. Never expires you know, non

1943
01:09:45,732 --> 01:09:46,131
toxic,

1944
01:09:46,609 --> 01:09:48,203
so you're not gonna get get you sick.

1945
01:09:48,521 --> 01:09:50,354
You know, if it does come contact with

1946
01:09:50,354 --> 01:09:52,746
something. But the pirate putt works really well,

1947
01:09:53,158 --> 01:09:55,225
super lightweight, you know, great for a pack

1948
01:09:55,225 --> 01:09:57,849
or or in your glove box or, anything

1949
01:09:57,849 --> 01:10:00,177
along those lines? It comes in 2 separate

1950
01:10:00,472 --> 01:10:00,711
options,

1951
01:10:01,282 --> 01:10:03,669
summer and a winter blend. Why don't you

1952
01:10:03,669 --> 01:10:05,340
kinda tell us why we would choose 1

1953
01:10:05,340 --> 01:10:07,886
over the other? Sure. So we've... We've actually

1954
01:10:07,886 --> 01:10:10,368
got got the 3 different blends, So we've

1955
01:10:10,368 --> 01:10:12,200
got summer that is a little bit thicker,

1956
01:10:12,519 --> 01:10:14,989
and that stays in its putt form in,

1957
01:10:15,069 --> 01:10:17,140
you know, desert type environments when it's really...

1958
01:10:17,555 --> 01:10:19,635
Really hot. The the winner when it gets

1959
01:10:19,635 --> 01:10:21,395
really hot, you know, well above a hundred

1960
01:10:21,395 --> 01:10:23,234
degrees just starts to get kinda soft and

1961
01:10:23,234 --> 01:10:25,154
then mushy. But the winner is a is

1962
01:10:25,154 --> 01:10:27,750
a thinner blend and that's gonna stay p,

1963
01:10:27,890 --> 01:10:30,529
you know, well into 0 degrees fahrenheit.

1964
01:10:30,929 --> 01:10:32,689
If not colder, It's really easy to just

1965
01:10:32,689 --> 01:10:34,130
pull out of the can, take a piece

1966
01:10:34,130 --> 01:10:36,645
and light it up, And our third blend

1967
01:10:36,704 --> 01:10:38,784
is the spring and fall, which is just

1968
01:10:38,784 --> 01:10:40,545
kind of a a nice mix between the

1969
01:10:40,545 --> 01:10:43,185
2. Here in Utah, that's what I like

1970
01:10:43,185 --> 01:10:45,674
using, you know, just kind of takes me

1971
01:10:45,674 --> 01:10:48,061
through all the seasons, except for, you know,

1972
01:10:48,220 --> 01:10:50,529
maybe in January if I'm out running around.

1973
01:10:50,768 --> 01:10:52,694
Yeah. Those are the 3 different blends Yeah.

1974
01:10:52,932 --> 01:10:56,354
Really, really great fire starter. Pretty inexpensive. It's

1975
01:10:56,354 --> 01:10:58,424
good stuff. Yeah. I know Ronnie rave about

1976
01:10:58,424 --> 01:11:00,428
it. I used it a bunch there. You

1977
01:11:00,428 --> 01:11:02,337
know, a lot of places here in Utah.

1978
01:11:02,735 --> 01:11:04,087
We don't get too much rain, so it's

1979
01:11:04,087 --> 01:11:05,462
not super critical

1980
01:11:05,837 --> 01:11:08,621
to have necessarily something until the later seasons.

1981
01:11:09,034 --> 01:11:10,950
A lot of places you know, Pacific Northwest

1982
01:11:10,950 --> 01:11:12,068
or so I'm trying to get a fire

1983
01:11:12,068 --> 01:11:13,904
is, like, all you can do. It's a

1984
01:11:13,904 --> 01:11:15,101
it's a seriously. Yeah.

1985
01:11:15,820 --> 01:11:17,576
Absolutely. Man. It has been it's been a

1986
01:11:17,576 --> 01:11:19,345
dry 1 this year. I was up scouting

1987
01:11:19,345 --> 01:11:21,257
this this weekend for an Elk tag, and

1988
01:11:21,257 --> 01:11:21,417
it's...

1989
01:11:22,293 --> 01:11:23,886
It looks like fire season is here too.

1990
01:11:24,046 --> 01:11:26,355
It looks like the the beaver Beaver mount

1991
01:11:26,355 --> 01:11:28,756
right up the above Is... Really couple different

1992
01:11:28,756 --> 01:11:30,980
fires going right now. So it's if you

1993
01:11:30,980 --> 01:11:32,409
do make fire, make sure you put it

1994
01:11:32,409 --> 01:11:34,315
out. So that's what I'll say. Yeah. For

1995
01:11:34,315 --> 01:11:36,063
sure. Anything else you wanna talk about there

1996
01:11:36,063 --> 01:11:37,427
why we still got you on here? You,

1997
01:11:37,507 --> 01:11:38,459
over Rock slide members,

1998
01:11:39,014 --> 01:11:41,314
do get a 15 percent off at phone

1999
01:11:41,314 --> 01:11:44,250
scope dot com, and that's where we sell

2000
01:11:44,250 --> 01:11:45,932
pirate putt as well. You so you can

2001
01:11:45,932 --> 01:11:48,404
pick up if your new carbon pro as

2002
01:11:48,404 --> 01:11:50,555
well as some p putt, promo code to

2003
01:11:50,555 --> 01:11:54,236
use is rock slide 15. So and that'll

2004
01:11:54,236 --> 01:11:56,863
get you 15 percent off, phone scope and

2005
01:11:56,863 --> 01:11:57,363
p.

2006
01:11:57,976 --> 01:12:00,524
15, super generous forrest there, Tanner. If anybody

2007
01:12:00,524 --> 01:12:02,354
has any questions or wants to look at

2008
01:12:02,354 --> 01:12:03,962
more about your product can they find you

2009
01:12:03,962 --> 01:12:05,872
guys at. You can find all our info

2010
01:12:05,872 --> 01:12:08,182
at phone scope dot com. And we're on,

2011
01:12:08,341 --> 01:12:10,332
you know, all the social platforms as well

2012
01:12:10,730 --> 01:12:13,378
Instagram, Youtube, Facebook. And even Tiktok now.

2013
01:12:14,177 --> 01:12:15,695
Yeah. That's where you can find our info.

2014
01:12:15,935 --> 01:12:17,373
Definitely reach out. Let us know if you

2015
01:12:17,373 --> 01:12:19,531
have any questions. Alright, Tanner. I appreciate you

2016
01:12:19,531 --> 01:12:21,289
making some time during your busy schedule and

2017
01:12:21,289 --> 01:12:23,454
not taken us through your products. Yeah. Absolutely

2018
01:12:23,454 --> 01:12:24,728
happy to do it. I look forward to

2019
01:12:24,728 --> 01:12:27,514
the next 1. Closing out. If you have

2020
01:12:27,514 --> 01:12:30,079
any feedback on Tips Tuesday, or want to

2021
01:12:30,079 --> 01:12:32,880
hear a particular topic or guest, please reach

2022
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:34,640
out to me at Sam at rocks slide.

2023
01:12:35,039 --> 01:12:36,814
I put together a lot of effort and

2024
01:12:36,814 --> 01:12:38,568
into making the show and want to make

2025
01:12:38,568 --> 01:12:40,960
it something you enjoy listening to. Thank you.

2026
01:12:41,199 --> 01:12:43,613
And until next time, this has ben

2027
01:12:44,069 --> 01:12:44,707
Sam Weaver.

2028
01:12:49,418 --> 01:12:50,930
With the help of sports men and women

2029
01:12:50,930 --> 01:12:53,237
and concerned citizens, we can defeat the hunting

2030
01:12:53,237 --> 01:12:54,350
bans here in Colorado.

2031
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:56,255
Go to save the hunt colorado dot com.

2032
01:12:56,412 --> 01:12:57,121
Thanks for listening.