There are 12 core out finding features that's
in the course that I look for when
I trying to find out. Oh, for example,
so many dudes tell me all the time,
hey, I look for North slopes. I'm like,
yeah, me too? For archer. Archer tree season
North slopes. Maybe Northeast, maybe Northwest. Facing. Right?
And they're like, I just find more out
consistently on those slopes. I'm like, yeah. I...
There's reasons for that, better moisture, hoo temperatures,
less buds, There's lots of reasons, but they're
not always on the.
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Tuesday. I'm Sam Weaver. Host up today's Tips
Tuesday. A short segment covering rock slide dot
com tidbits. Hunting news from across the west,
which with just a sprinkling of tips and
tricks to keep you well informed for your
next adventure. I don't know where you all
live, but this July is a burner, and
it seems like when we get rain, it's
a whole bunch of all at once. I've
been dealing with flash flooding, mud slides. And
down rocks at work, and it's been really
impacting my scouting. As I turn my attention
to East scouting on my lunch periods, I
quickly realized
I needed to up my game, and that's
when I started hearing all about this es
scouting program. So let's jump right into it.
Today's feature guest is marked let us say
like a lot of listeners, Mark spent a
ton of time each fall commuting to Elk
country. With limited opportunity for boots on the
ground, mark docked head first in the East
scouting. Over the decades of trial and error,
mark has collected what works, and more importantly,
why it works and compiled all that information
into Tree line Academy. So without any further
ado. Welcome to the show, mark. Say T
Sam's good to be on. We've been trying
to work this out for a while. Our
schedules are... You would take the summertime would
be a lot easier, but you like, caught
me like at the worst moment if everything
it was going on, and Anyway, it's been
crazy, but I'm glad to be aren't really
glad to be on. Yeah. Me, too. It's
the perfect time to catch up with you
there. Ta to you Scouting. I mean, now
is the time to to get prep for...
Archer season even into gun season. It's funny
how Sam you said it. Right? Now is
the time. To be honest, June would have
been a better time. And Archer July is
still not too late, but you wouldn't believe
this, but my number 1 sales month for
my course and for my toolkit is August.
Which is me, I'm glad to sell courses,
but August is a little late in the
game. If you're thinking about planning Elk outcomes
and it's August, you're not too late to
the party, but you're getting really late in
the game. If you're going to do it
at a in at at a very high
level... You we talked about this red for
We jumped On, Sam emma, You signed it
for my course, you got in there and
you've immediately looked at how many hours that
it was and you're, like, holy crap. And
I get that all the time. And I
guess my best advice is, you know, if
you want something that summary
that doesn't get into the details and doesn't
get into the weeds and doesn't go through
every little single detail. And probably my course
is not for you. But if you wanna
improve your odds to fighting out, if you
want to take your success rates up a
little, if you live for the days, you
get to Hunt elk, and you wanna make
sure you go into the mountains as prepared
as you possibly could be that guys, the
details matter. I mean, every... All the details
matter. You know, I say this all the
time. I was just at the wizard I
I was saying. And 1 of the things
I hear... That I say all the time
is there's only 2 ways to become a
better a o'connor or owner. It's experience or
its education. You gotta be more knowledgeable or
you gotta gain more experience well. If we
hunt 10 days a year or 14 days
a year or 7 days a year, that's
the only experience window we have. And when
you look at guys, like, myself, which I'm
lucky. I'll be honest, but I don't class
myself is a is a great Western Honor.
I'm I'm good, but I'm certainly not great.
But let's look at somebody like Ryan Lamb.
A lot of people know who probably 1
of the better owners in North America. The
dude gets to hunt. We battle it out
each year for who wants the most days.
So he hunts a hundred days a year.
If you punt a hundred days a year
and somebody hunts 10 days a year, they
get 10 times more experience than you do.
So you'll never catch up on the experience
curve, but where you can cut the gap
is expanding your knowledge base. And that's kind
where I come in. It's trying to teach
guys
how to use technology,
how to look for certain feature to define
Elk and create some tools that can help
them, maximize the technology tools that they already
at like Google earth Pro and other applications.
So that's kind of where my niche niches
and that's kinda of where I focus on.
Well I gotta tell you 1 of the
reasons that I signed up for your classes
shoe part. My dad drew a great Elk
tag in Utah here. I'm familiar with the
unit. But it makes me a little nervous
that, you know, I went to scout it,
actually this past weekend there, and I went
to all the places I already knew. Like,
I already know that there's out there. I
find myself, like, in a rut. I'm like,
I gotta try to break out of this
thing and and instead of looking where I
know A are, try to find places where...
So do a little prospecting, you know? Well
the other thing is... Not.
I drew a Wyoming note tag. And now
that I'm so focused on trying to help
my dad, get 1 of these limited entry,
Utah tags because they're so special like neglected
Wyoming
altogether. So I have, like, 3 spots in
Wyoming. And as you know, 3 spots, might
as well have no spots. If you've got
3 spots, you need to make sure they
are fully
developed in my opinion. I mean, you gotta
know everything there is a no about those
recent. Spots. If you're gonna go in with
3.
Which I would be afraid of 3. If
I spent the time, and I really felt
like I have fl out bots every angle
of those spots.
But like your like your dad spot, You
know, let's back up to that. I hear
this all the time. Well, you know, I've
been hunting hundred and 20 elk for 20
year in market. You know, I got a
lot of experience, but, you know, we've always
had elk camp. We always go to this
spot. My grandfather out there. My dad had
there. Eye on there. And... But now it's
just not what it used to be, or
I'm not finding elk, like we used to
or whatever you're all the time. Well, if
there's anything I'm good at, Developing new elk
spots for 2 reasons. Number 1, I'm originally
from Missouri. Okay. So I spent my first
26 or 7 years elk cutting. Traveling from
Missouri out to the Western states. 27 years
not in a row. I missed 2 years
about cutting out of those 27.
And then the past 10 years, I've been
living out here, and so I've been immersed
in it. Well, but not only did I
have to learn how the You've got because
I was traveling, but more importantly,
is I never have the same place twice.
I rarely... I I could count on 1
hand. There's been 1 place. I've been to
2 or 3 times.
And that's because I took my son and
and my wife in there, and I knew
we could get on Elk immediately. But when
it comes to my hunting, I'm a new
guy. I love glass screener. I love developing
new places. I love going to new places.
Now my honey partners get all kinda worked
up about it. Like, we went to this
plot spot. It was incredible. And they're like,
hey, next year. We're gonna do this. This
I said, no. No No. We're not coming
back. We're not coming back. But they're, like,
what? I'm like, oh, that's not the way.
I don't play that game. We hunt it.
It's over. Now we move on. So if
I'm good at it, and it's because I'm
constantly developing new places for 30 years I've
been doing the same thing. And
in most years, I have somewhere between 3
to 5 lt techs. So with multiple states
at play, multiple tags and hunting only new
spots You have no choice, but to get
better at it. So really, that was the
impetus behind the creation of this this system
that I have, and really, to be honest,
the reason I created it. You know,
odd I... Because I get to run this
podcast a little bit, but I'm pretty technology,
and that was 1 of the things that
really stuck out when I heard you talking
in a different podcast
was that if you're using 1 app, then
you're really handicap yourself and note. And I
use 1 app. I obviously Von x, they're
a sponsor this podcast. But I I was
like, what am I missing here? And then,
you know, you talk about Google Earth, while
I haven't used Google Earth, honestly, in about
10 years to even look at anything. Oh,
really torque my interest of. Oh, what you're
making me... What am I? You're making me
cry here. So I'm just gonna be bold?
Could I be bold on this podcast? Oh
Yep Yep. If you're a Western,
and you're not using Google Earth pro to
its maximum capabilities, you are automatically.
I mean, automatically, no exceptions every time guaranteed
you're at a disadvantage. I mean, you are
in a huge
disadvantage. Not just a little dis disadvantage for
lots of reasons, and it's not just because
it's another app. There is no aerial imagery
better quality than Google. 3 d, there's no
3 d better than Google Earth. The rotation,
key strokes, nothing's better. The elevation exaggeration, the
terrain capture,
nothing better. The historical, being able to look
back at the dates of the imagery. No
other app has it. The profile analysis for
root planning. For looking at glass spots for
view shed, for doing fly over drone tours.
Most people don't even know that Google does
these things But most importantly, what Google can
is it can accept third party datasets.
So in my datasets sets, for example, that
I built, I have 4 different levels of
top maps. I have all the fires for
40 years. I have all the catalog allot,
all the road, all the public lands, all
the unit boundaries everything, is it been included
into Google. So you can have 2 monitors
open, Sam, you can be looking at On
x, which Guys. 90 80 percent of people
use On it. It's a great app. Great
app. I use it, but it's it's 1
tool in my toolbox, though. 1. And Google
earth is another 1. But the thing about
Google Earth is you can't take it in
the field. Right? It's only for pre hunt
work. It's only for east scouting. It's only
for hunt planning. And then you gotta make
sure your data is lined up in your
hunting app before you go into the, you
know, offline type environment. But I just wanna
emphasize this that people have kinda gotten away
from Google Earth because all these apps have
made things easier, and I'm just gonna use
it. Well, that's fine. You can get it
done, saying you can get it done and
was just at the Western Hood, and I
said, it's good enough. It's good enough. Now,
when it comes to Elk cutting, You know
what good enough is, I that's a 6
percent success rate. In Montana, Archer Diy public
plan is about 6 percent success rate. That's
good enough. I don't wanna be a good
enough elk color. I don't nod. I I
hope to kill an elk every year, but
I don't would just be honest. Now most
years I do, but there's a lot of
years I haven't.
But if you wanna
not be in the 6... You gotta quit
acting like 6 percent. Meaning, if you wanna
be average, keep acting like average Joe cutter,
and the average jail cutter in my opinion
is singular app focused or what I call
1 dimensional. They use 1 app, they learn
a few basic things and they get by
and it's good enough. But like you just
said, Sam, your dad's got this special tag.
So you've been working on now you've got
this Wyoming
situation. And I feel like you're kinda in
the good enough stand right now. Right? Oh,
it's good enough. But just with a little
bit of work, and you don't have to
make this crazy.
But with a little bit of extra work
and learn how to use some of these
tools, you can really expand what you're doing.
From home, you know, guys always say, well,
I like boots on the ground... I do
2 guys, but here's the reality. If you
go for a weekend, a boots on the
ground like you did maybe did for your
dad. You're gonna spend 2 or 3 days.
You're gonna cover so many miles, and that's
it. Right? If you took the same amount
of that you spent on that trip, day
and night, the hours that you spent, if
you transform that to east counting only and
using some of the techniques that that... That
I talk about, you would be miles
ahead. And where you'll ever be boots on
the ground. Now in order to do that,
you have to use some specialized tools like
you have to have the best imagery available
You have to have the best top geographic
scanned top maps that are available, and they
are not available in on x. I'm sorry.
They do not have the best top grabbing
map. And they certainly do not have the
best area imagery. How many times have you
looked it on and scenes snow. I wish
they get rid of that, but it's a
fact. But When it comes to public lands,
It comes to private lands and it comes
with motor vehicles. They are the king. Audits
is the king in some of these components.
Right? But others, they're good. The guys don't
get me wrong. The image quality is good.
The top map is good. But remember what
I just said. That's good enough. But it's
not the best. And when it comes to
evaluating spots, I want the best because I
know we're behind the gun when it comes
to
success rates. It's it's very difficult to kill
it out with the bow arrow,
especially if you cannot find elk. I don't
care how good a shot you are, I
don't care how fit you are. I don't
care how many days you have. I don't
care about any of that. If you lack
the ability to consistently find elk. You're not
going to kill out. And that's really the
the crux for a lot of hunters. They
get super fit. They should bose every day,
which pay. That... That's all important. But it
means nothing. If you can't put yourself in
a place that has Elk. Well, like I
said, I know for me, most of the
time I could find Elk. The real question
is. And I have a spot. Every time
I go in there is Elk. But that
spot not gonna... If another guy's in there,
they could blow that whole spot out. Then
what am I gonna do with my dad?
You know what I mean? That's what I'd
say guy wearing out, like, they're... I gotta
do something different. Just to have the confidence
level going into that. I mean, don't put
all your eggs in 1 basket, I guess.
That's right. So so many guys do that.
Like, and there's nothing wrong with that guy,
You know, there's nothing better. You know when
I told you I'm a new spot guy.
Right? Well, that's 1 of the reason I
don't kill out every year. I'm just gonna
be honest with you. When I'm developing new
place every year. I never learn it. I
never historically learned it. I only learn it
digitally. And I go in and a hunt,
I find out every single time but not
maybe not every time, but the point is
very consistently, but there is something to be
said for learning an area and becoming, kinda
1 with it. Like you said, you know
place that you can go and you could
find out. Guys, that's a great way to
hunt out. And that's a very successful way
to hunt out. That's just not my way.
My way is I love the adventure say
I love going to new country. I love
seeing new new things. That's just my personality.
And... But if you take my approaches,
to develop new areas and you apply it
to your scenario. So you have backup pump
plans at secondary hunt plans, or maybe you
wanna try a new spot for some reason,
maybe you're seeing bulls and you got plenty
of help, but maybe you're just not finding
the 3 fifties or you're not finding a
03:60 or You're not whatever. Maybe you don't
really care. Maybe you just want to meet,
everybody has difficult different objectives. But if you're
trying to develop a new spot or you're
trying to maybe increase your ability to find
more out more consistently. That's maybe where some
of my tools and tactics come in. Why
don't you take the opportunity right now to
just kinda walk us through in your program?
I know we kinda handed that it's that
it's all encompassing, But Just kinda give us
the the chapter titles, I guess, and give
us kind of an idea of what's in
there. Okay. Well, let's just do this. I
think the best approach is. I've looked at
my course and I see which modules guys
are taking and which ones are skipping. Right?
I... It shocks me every time. Right? So
the first thing in my course, and I'm
actually work on Version 2 right now because
you know the technology world. Everything changes is
so freaky fast. So a lot of the
stuff that's in there related to the different
apps.
Needs to be updated and I'm working on
that. And I've got new tools. There's new
tools that have come out. And I've developed
these tool kits. Sense it's come out. So
but let me back up. So when it
really comes down to what everybody said, well,
how do I find more out? Well there's
a lot to that and the course covers
it beginning the from technology,
all the tools to zones of pressure, how
hunters are gonna be using your area, to
the elk finding features to through custom markup,
and then finally preparing a written written hot
plan. It kinda goes full scope, but the
core of the course And this is probably
the most important kinda takeaway in the time
we have that I could share with you
is there are 12 core principles.
That I use when it comes to finding
out. And
I'm gonna pull up my slide. I was
actually... I'm working on my presentation right now,
for the Elk tour that I got coming
up in boise this coming weekend. There are
12 core elk finding features that's in the
course that I look for
when I tried to find out. Oh, for
example, so many dudes tell me all the
time, hey, I look for north slopes. I'm
like, me too. For archer. Hearts tree sees
north slopes. Maybe Northeast, maybe Northwest facing. Right?
And they're like, I just find more out
consistently on those slopes I'm like, yeah. I...
There's reasons for that, better moisture, cooler temperatures,
less bugs. There's lots of reasons, but they're
not always on the north. Slope. Now, North
slope is 1 of my prime features. I'm
just gonna be honest. I'd like North slope
for that time of year, but it's only
1 of the... It's not even 1 of
the 12. It's 1 of the segments of
the 12. I'm gonna run through those 12,
but I wanna give you an example of
that slope because I hear guys say that
all the time. I love north slopes. Or
I like to have... I like to find
benches. Well, me too, but they have to
be certain benches, not just a bench. Other
guys like, I love to hunt Elk fire.
You know, I like historical fires that are
3 years old or whatever. I'm like, sort
lie, but they have to be they're part
of the 12. They're not singular.
Just because it's a fire doesn't mean I'm
going hunt. So what... What I mean by
that is, I'm looking at all the access
points in the area. They have to be
at a certain pressure volume
that I'm that I like. I like to
hunt less pressured out. That doesn't mean you
can't hunt pressured elk can be successful. I
like to hunt less pressured out, So I
spend a lot of time and the 3
core elk finding features in my course are
related to pressure. Says point evaluation, established trail
use.
Evaluation, and then a complete pressure zone analysis.
I teach the manual method in the course,
but I'm getting ready to introduce the digital
method because there are some tools now that
we're not available 4 years ago that allow
you to do it. So what that basically
does, those first 3 breaks down a hunt
area, and it helps you visualize
where the pressure is going be coming from
and how they're gonna use that area. And
everybody's like, how do you do that? You'll
be shot at some of the simple tools
are available that will help you do that.
The high resolution imagery that's available. You can't
do it in on x, you can't do
it in gaia. You can't do it and
go on. Can't do it Spartan. You have
to do it in Google Earth pro because
you need that ultra high resolution imagery. So
that's the first 3. Then I have meadows
of feeding. So plea help like to use
meadows. They like to have openers for beating.
So that's 1 of the important features. I
have 12 rules. Well, actually, I'm sorry I
have 10 rules that I follow for meadows.
That's in that section. Hence Creek and dr
obsolete, canyon and drainage are important to out,
well only certain ones. And how do you
those those ones? That's 1 of the 12.
The fires. That's another. We just talked about
fires and logging areas help love those areas,
but it's only 1. Beetle kills, elk glove
beetle kills, but they like certain aged beetle
kills. They don't like mature beetle kills where
the tree stacked up like cord wood. Now
they'll use them in high pressure situations. But
if all things being equal, they do not
like that stuff being edge habitat. I mean,
I'm really big on edge habitat, but it's
1 of the 12. I look for edge
habitats and I look for the features that
are attracted to help in those edge habitats.
Benches. We talked about that just a second
ago. I look for benches, and they have
to have very specific
features for me. They have to be on
the right slope angle, and they have to
have the right steep below them and above
them. And they have to be the right
position on the slope meaning above halfway. When
I find beach binge benches that meet the
criteria, I get real excited about those, because
those are really, really
solid historical use features for l. Slope orientation.
We talked about that north facing northeast,
northwest facing slopes. During archer, maybe a little
more south facing during late season. I also
focus on the steep. Helped prefer certain steep
about 20 degrees. They're very dialed in that
steep. So I I spent a lot of
time looking at slope steep in my area
and finding pockets that are in the ranges
that Elk, all the studies that have been
done show out prefer this certain steep. And
then I looked for elevation I isolate
elevations that the oakland wouldn't be at at
the time of year I'm hunting. So that's
all included in that 1 those slope segments.
Out and funnels like, you know, obviously, they
they'll do you saddle and funnels and travel
corridors. That's 1. And then finally water, I
don't spend a lot of time on water
in most on areas. If I'm hunting Wyoming
in most parts of Wyoming, Idaho,
Montana.
I don't really worry about water all that
much real because they could find it and
they know where it is. But it states
like New Mexico, Nevada Utah maybe in some
areas. Water is a big deal. And so
water becomes more important in some areas. But
so to recap, those are 12 of the
things that I evaluate every hunt area for.
And what I'm looking for,
is areas that have multiples of those. For
example, if I find an area
that matches 6 or 7 of those 12,
I get very
I know for sure I'm gonna find out
there. But if I find only... If I'm
looking only at North slopes. I get a
very good chance Of not finding out to
be totally honest with you. If I only
get singular focused on slope only. But when
I look at the right meadows, I look
at the right canyon, I look for the
right benches and I find the right slopes.
And it's... Maybe it's the right beetle killer,
or maybe it's the right fire, and the
pressure is, it meets the standards. All these
things combine,
to what I call stack the odds in
your favor. And that's really the core of
my course is taking these 12
core out finding features
and teaching hunters how to stack them up
or how to evaluate them
in certain areas so that they're putting more
they're increasing their odds of running into L.
You know, I read a study 1 time
that said that L only in inhabit, 10
percent of the habitat,
that is acceptable for l. So in the
west,
D percent of the area that's perfect for
l. Perfect. Doesn't have l. It's crazy to
think about that. Only 10 percent.
And it's... I has found over the years
that it pretty relates to these 12 core
finding feature. Now, I'm not, you know, I'm
not saying I know everything about it. I'm
just saying that over 30 years of hunting
the way I just explained. I have found
Elk... And just about hundred percent of the
places I go, I wouldn't say a hundred
let's say 90
because I really am dialed to these these
12 core features. And when I try to
shortcut it or I try to go for
just because it's a fire or just because
it's a beetle kill. I... I always am...
Not always, but I always find that it's
not as good as I thought it would
be. But when I find places that stack
up.
And have 678
of these even. You're never gonna find a
place that has... It's not gonna happen. It's
the holy grail of oli grail. It's not
gonna happen, but you certainly are gonna find
places that get 78888
of these features. Does that make sense? Well,
yeah. And I I think, like, that's for
a lot of people that come from the
Midwest and only get 7, maybe 10 days
you know, elk countries intimidating because it's so
big. Right. And I'd like the way that
you just put it. You know, to me,
each 1 of these 12 things is a
ring on the target. Right? So when you
get 1, you throw the ring down, the
more you get the more rings you throw
down and the tighter that area gets and
the tighter gets, so the more... You stack
on there, the more likely you aren't to
busy route into that area. That dude... That's
exactly right. I didn't say it that way,
but you're... What you're doing is you're taking
a potential hunt area and you're evaluating it
for these features, but you're also going 1
step further by marking and labeling.
These features with certain icons and colors. Right?
Your screen, which I talk a lot about,
called custom markets. Your screen starts just speak
to you Sam. It becomes obvious where you
need to go. Does that make sense? You've
got, like, all these features and they're all
clustered,
over here in this part, You're like, well,
that makes sense. That's where I need to
start, and it just starts to speak to
you if you you take that approach now.
If you just drop
see of random, red icons, and you don't
take the time to use icons or colors
or have any methodology. It's just a see
and when you look at it, it doesn't
speak to you. It doesn't give you a
visual
representation of what you're looking at. So... That's
a whole another chapter in my court... That
I've spent a lot of time on custom
markets, colors, priorities, and icons. And a combination
of those 3 are a big key to
my hunt planning, and and he's getting work.
Because I wanna look at the screen, and
I wanted to tell what I'm looking at,
I don't wanna just to be ACA orange
where ACA red. And
and so there's a whole methodology to that
as well. But your your analysis is exactly
right. We are just... We're pitching down a
hunt area to hopefully get zeroed in on
very specific areas that we wanna look at
first. That doesn't mean we're not gonna go
over to some other areas that have maybe
less features, but we certainly wanna start with
areas that have the most features. The more
they have better the odds of running into
Elk at least in my experience. Alright. We
wanna plan the odds times limited. You know,
you go their best spot first. You grind
your way through it. I mean, anything can
happen too. You don't know. You could have
a fire. You could have somebody else that's
in your spot before you get there. It
can be super frustrating, you know, public land,
no holes barred. Like I said, for me,
personally, I look forward to just that technology
aspect of, you know, learning how to put
these pins on their, color coordinating because I
could tell you right now, that's not something
that I'm good at. Right? Like I that's
1 of the things that I struggle at.
Here's the thing, Chad. I'm a, you know,
I'm gonna say this earlier. This is what
I went into with Hunter. You. I talked
to a thousand hunters every year.
Because of speaking and everything... And I hear
the same thing. Man, I work on my
bow. I work on my bow. I shoot
every day. I do all this stuff. These
dudes could hit a pie at a hundred
and 20 yards every time all the time.
And I'm like, okay. Why do you shoot
every day? You're already good. They love it.
Right? Because mine used to do... I used
to triathlon on Sam out of a great
cyclist. Well, not... Let's not use the word
great. Let's say that was a good. Let's
say it was a good cyclist. Right? So
I rode my bike all the freaky time.
Well, guess what did not get better. My
swimming and my running. Well, unfortunately,
Triathlon is a 3 sport event. So I
was I would get... I would tell everybody
on the bike. But then I would get
killed in the swim and the run. And
when I finally figured out that I need
to quit writing so much and start writing
and start swimming all of a sudden, I
started becoming a whole new next level. Triathlete.
And that's what I'm saying to you Hunters.
So many hunters are caught up and getting
fit. They're caught up and getting just being
able to shoot the eyes out of snake
in a hundred yards. Guys. That is great,
but stop training your strengths,
and start training your weaknesses. And I'm not
picking on your understand, but you're... You just
self proclaimed. 1 of your weaknesses maybe is
expanding your toolkit. Right? You want you need
to maybe think about adding a few more
tools to your toolkit. Keep on x. It's
amazing.
But add Google Earth, add Cal top. Add,
you know, that maybe the Google earth, the
tool kits that I have. Add a few
things they're gonna really take, your hot planning
and the way you look at your hunt
areas to a whole new level, and then
maybe seek out some education to kinda how
I kinda put this together and apply it
to your historical knowledge. So I run into
a lot of hundred same, like you that
have a lot of historic. You have a
lot of experience hunting. Right? Well, you you
probably forget. Why when you look at an
area and you know you can go find
out there, you don't really know why. You're
just like Ryan Lambert. He looks at it
and he like well, there's help there. Well
why? I was asking him why because they
just will. They're there.
He doesn't
subconsciously. You're you're evaluating it for a lot
of things I just said. And you just
don't realize it. You're looking at the low.
If you're looking at the pitch. You're looking
at the open terrain. You're looking at... You're
just kinda making it the water, the how
more... The moisture levels. You're kinda doing it
in your own way, but you're not doing
it with the methodology, you're just doing it
from experience, which is fine. But a newer
person, a newer western hunter. That's where they
struggle.
Because this ain't White tell hunting guys. I
spent a lot of years cheese in White
tail and this is not White tail honey.
So a lot of guys come out in
White tail and they get very discouraged. Because
it's very difficult
to find elk as compared to find white
tail. Out, finding 200. It's white tail, not
that easy. But Fighting Mite tel is not
that hard. But Finding Health is not that
simple for people that do not have experience
at it. And so,
most of the time when you talked to
elk o'connor, they're always like, man. I didn't
hardly see me out, or we just didn't
run into help, or we just never heard
of beat the whole time we were there
or It must have not been the rut
or it must... Or all kinds of reasons.
The moon phase was this, or the moon
phase was that. Guys. The elk don't disappear
on a full moon. Now, they get a
little more difficult to deal with sometimes. You
just gotta change your tactics a little bit,
but they're still there, and they're still doing
their yelp stuff. But you hear all these
excuses. Right? And, it's mainly because they they
kinda lack in the ability to find out,
or at least they lack in the ability
to break down areas. To find out or
they get there and there's too many hunters.
Or they get there and there's too many
of that? Too many outfitters, guys... That never
happens to me I'm not saying this never
happened, but I spent so much time looking
at pressure. I look at trails. I find
out where outfit camps are. I study the
trails themselves to find out if it's horse,
livestock or foot traffic. I look at every
trail head. I looked for horse corral. I
looked for parking spots. I look for how
many parking spots. I look for the road
condition. I analyze the road condition from Google.
I know so much about those trail heads
when I get there. Feel like I've been
there before. And that's next level evaluation. But
if you take the time to do that
level of analysis. I you're not gonna show
up in very many places and be surprised
with what's going on. Well what think the
big thing for is like you just... Put
the exclamation point on it, you have confidence
when you go there. And I think like
that's part of it, like, you know, when
I go to my spot. I'm confident I'm
gonna see We're not prospecting,
you know, you need to have that confidence
to stick it out because it might not
be the first, but you might have to
roll around. They might bug that 1 or
2 days there. I love that word prospecting.
You said it a couple of times. I'm
almost steal that. I like that. That's a
good word. I've I never really thought about
it like that. But you're a perfect example
because you have these places that you can
just... Hit hit hit. And you know you
found out here before, and guys elk hit
perpetually and historically used the same areas unless
something changes, like you said. Pressure, maybe a
new outfit or leases that gets that air.
And whatever happens. Some habitat changes. Like you
said a fire draws the there's a fire
near by that draws the over there, or
there's a beetle kill becomes too extensive and
they move out,
especially like in Wyoming god there's so many
beetle kills. Right in Wyoming to Colorado going
on right now. Right? It's gonna change. Telling
you right now, guys, in Colorado and Wyoming.
The landscape for Elk is gonna change over
the next 10 years dramatically.
Because of Beetle kill. Western fires are are
doing the same. So you have to be
able to adapt, and, the spots that we
historically have gone to to find out, may
not always
produce like they have. Or if you just
wanna develop a new spot or you're new
at it. You know, you... You've got a
really... You're a really blessed situation where you
have these places you can go, and you
could check them off the list But I
don't find out here. I can move on
to plan b plant seats. A lot of
people don't have that luxury. So there's kinda
a couple ways to look at it. Right?
Your hunting places that you historically know how
elk, or I like to place I've never
been to before because I like the challenge
of working all this scenario and roll it
in there in the middle of the night,
in the next morning. I'm on help first
day. That's where IIII
almost live for that.
And me and my llama roll into a
spot in the dark, know how long it's
gonna take me to go down that trail.
I know how long it's gonna take me
to get that classic spot a. I know
I'm gonna get there 30 minutes for daylight.
No question. I've already looked at the trail.
I know I'm gonna be there, and I
know I could stay late because I've already
got the route plan,
and I've never been to this place before.
I've never even driven to the trail. So
I just love that. And it's really what
floats my boat. Yeah. You're super passionate. Like
I said, you know, for me, having spots
that consistently produce is a handicap in a
lot of ways. And look and like I
said for 1 of the big things. I
like to know what other guys are doing.
Right? Like... Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Well, I what
I do works for me until it doesn't.
Right? Than what I gonna do. Just take
the rest of the season off. No. I
need to have something. I need to know,
you know, you need to be evolving as
a hunter, especially in this day and aid
with the technology and everybody else, knows how
to use Go hunt. They know how to
use these multiple apps. They all this stuff
and here I am 1 trick pony here,
and that's what really makes me super nervous.
Well, you say that, though, Sam in reality.
I talked a lot of hundred. I told
you that. You would not believe what I
say, hey, Raise your hand if you use
on x.
Everybody, obviously, everybody raises their head. I'm like,
raise your hands, you go to the mountains
with 2 apps every time, and literally nobody.
There might be 1 or 2 guys. There's
very few that are actually doing it and
if they're using On x. Okay? I find
out that they're not using all the capabilities
of On x. They're using some of the
capabilities. There are some... Those... Especially if you're
elite member of On x, they've got these
elite tools in there now that... Train management,
train
modulation. They've got a whole bunch of features
in that elite package. Properly all kind of
layers. It's killer stuff. Right? Really, really good
stuff, But very very few dudes, I'm finding
or really taking the time to learn how
to use it. And even if they learn
how to use it. I think what's missing
is why do I need to use it?
Why do I need to use it And
how do I apply it? What's it mean
to me? Why is it important? To be
able to look at health a certain elevation
zone. Why is that? Why is isolating a
certain slope steepest? Why is that important? Because
of what I mentioned before, prefer certain steep.
It's been documented over and over and over
again. There's been so many studies done on
it. Habitat.
Beetle kills, fires,
slope orientation. All these things have been studied
over and over on Elk multiple different western.
States. And it's very very, very applicable to
elk. And once you kinda start learning some
of that stuff, you could start applying it,
and I feel like when you could kinda
work that all together, they And... But a
lot of people learn how to use their
tools, but they don't learn how to really
use their tools. So there's 2 problems here
saying Want is 1 dimensional. But 2, not
even taking the steps to learn all the
features of the tools. Like, a lot of
guys me I'll tell... Well, I wanna use
2, but Man, moving my data from 1
to another. It's just... I don't know how
to do that. And that's 2. Guys exporting
and importing data is so freaking simple. It's...
It... These apps make it simple. It's Google
Earth makes it. Crap. Simple. You just need
a little
education to be able to do it. If
you think about it, every tool that you
use is web based. Right? Every tools is
web based, meaning browser based meaning Safari or
Google, or, I'm sorry, Chrome or whatever you
whatever browser you're using,
except, for Google Earth Pro. Google Pro is
a standalone
application, but that's the only
application you're actually using The rest of the
tools are all browser based. So it's not
super complex.
Most guys just need a little guidance on
how to use the tools and more importantly
like I said, Why do they need to
use the tools? Why and what makes it
important? And when do I need to use
it? That's really what my course does if
anything?
Is it kinda covers the why and the
how. What, to be perfectly honest, you know,
the big selling point for me was?
Don't know whatever. It was, I bought the
toolkit to as a hundred and 50 bucks
or some... Something right in and you're not
and you're not even using them because you
said you don't even use Google. I I'm
telling you, Sam, right now when you get
off this freaking podcast, you install those toolkit
and you start clicking it, and you click
around for 10 minutes, and then you send
me a message.
And you tell me, hey, these aren't as
these aren't as cool as you think they
are.
I challenge you to send me that message.
Once you installed you click around seat won't.
This could do this. This this this this,
and you need no training. You literally need
no training. Use a single file. You put
it in Google earth. That's it. And you
open expand it. You just click around and
turn on what you want. Turn on fires.
Turn on kyle. Turn on public lands. You
turn on streams, turn on roads, turn on,
like in Wyoming, for example, I've got all
the Elk units. I've got the deer region.
For non res. I've got the the new
the new General regions are all in there.
The new the new shed hunting zone for
all you shed hunters. They're in there. That
migration patterns, All the migration channels, all the
migration zones, all the highway crossings for elk,
all that stuff is all in those toolkit.
And it's just their waiting to be used.
So it basically mimics well, it actually does
more even than some of the apps, but
it allows you to look at all the
things you can look at, now, on x.
In Google Earth. And what that does for
you is you you get all the same
features, but now you get the best imagery
and you get the 3 d and you
get to look at historic imagery, and those
are
overwhelmingly
beneficial for western owners. When you're when you're
evaluating. Now, again, this is when you're evaluating.
Areas. And then when you go into the
field, you use your apps and fit. Now
don't get me wrong. I run 2 monitors
all the time, all the time, minimum of
2. And I have Google Earth on 1
and I have my hunt app. Let's call
it On x on the other all the
time every time. And I learned how to
cut and paste latitude long,
so that you could jump right real quickly
and Google Earth if he could jump to
the exact same spot you're looking at in
in on that, so you can do side
by side comparisons So you can be looking
at the data in Google Earth, which is
different than the data that's in on x
for especially aerial imagery. So that's the way
I kinda do it. And then many times,
I've got a third application or fourth application
open. You know, you you don't have to
have a hundred tools. You know, I teach
it in my core. I teach 5 tools
that I feel like... You really... If you're
willing to learn how to use 5 tools,
you could really really expand your ability to
find out consistently. Or develop new hunt areas
like you said, branch out prospects as you
call it. And if you if you if
you learn how to use 3, that's fine
but that's 5 is really... I think is
next level. You know? So I kinda teach
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still it's even to go on a Saturday.
It's the full tank of gas
Turn back. You know what I mean? And
for me, that's part of the appeal of
of your system is for tank of gas,
basically,
I'm taking your course. That's guys. I and
I I can't stress this point enough. There
is nothing wrong, and there's absolutely benefit of
driving over and checking out an area. There's
no doubt about it. But you know how
many western can't do that. They don't live
where they're hunting. They... They're hunting another state.
They're coming from the mid... Whatever the case
may be. So it's not very feasible to
do that. And every day that they're doing
that, they're wasting hunting days. They're taking vacation
days that they should be adding on to
their hot time, not... So scouting to. We
haven't talked about that yet, but... I'm telling
you right now. You are better off to
add more hunting days onto your hunt time,
Than you are ever in almost every case
to do boots on the ground scouting because
the quality of images that are available, Google
earth now, and the quality of top maps
and contour shading and what they call light.
This is new technology called Lidar imagery. They
There's so many tools now that have changed
the game when it comes to looking at
an end. And once you learn how to
use them and how to apply them, you
really limit the need to go Now, I'm
not saying it's not beneficial. And you know,
the sea go right now in June. Well,
the elk not gonna be where they are
in July eighth where... Well, they might be,
but more likely not gonna be, where they're
gonna be in September. So just seeing elk
is not necessarily conclusive that you're gonna find
out the same style on September fifteenth. And
so there's no... You know, I'm gonna go
back to what I said earlier. If you
took the same amount of time. It took
you to drive over there,
drive back and walk around. You'd be miles
ahead, not to mention. I mean, I'm sure
you're really fit and capable person, but you
go over how many miles could you possibly
cover? 20? Right than 5. I... You you
can only cover so much.
If only out
early in late. Spencer right. In the summertime.
You know, you're you're basically wasting the whole
middle part of the day because it... You
went there in the dark and you're leaving
in the dark, but what are you doing
in the middle of the day? You're just
looking at trade and you're looking at kind
of... You know, just kinda looking around. Well,
you can do the same thing.
Now, maybe not exactly, but you can get
p darn close with using, Google Earth Pro
and really get dialed and it's really getting
in close and really analyzing the imagery. And
knowing what you're looking for, like What does
a beetle kill look like on a slope?
What does an old fire that's not showing
up? Look like? What does spa timber? You
know, how how do I know if I
can glass that timber or not? Is it
spa enough? There's all these things we talk
about in the pores and plastic. Okay. How
many times of guys got to a glass
spot.
And they hike all the way up. There.
They looked on their map. They look like
this is the best spot. And they hike
up there. They spin it all morning getting
there. They get there late. There because they
didn't calculate how long it was gonna take
them effectively.
Anyway, they get up there and they can't
see what they thought they could see. And
happens all the time. Had you add to
me even That doesn't happen to me very
often anymore, but guys, there are 3 or
4 tools that you can run. They're called
view sheds, and you could drop a pin
on a slope on a ridge, and you
could say it's from 6 feet off the
ground, show me what I can see from
right here. That tool alone is worth taking
my course. I'm just gonna be on, learning
how to use and implement. That feature is
worth the price of admission. And I find
almost nobody.
That knows how to run it. Nobody knows
how to use it? I can't believe it.
When I first built my course, I was
shocked and how many people did not know
that tool existence and it's available in 3
or 4 tools now. It's available in on
x. It's not as good in on but
it's available. Google Earth again is the king
of it, but you can also run it
in Cal.
And there's reasons you would use the different
tools for the different shit analysis. Dude that
is game changing stuff. If you're hunting an
area,
we're putting eyes on Elk is important, like
let's say your spot and straw, let's say
you're o hunting open country, you have to
be in the right
locations. You have to be on the best
vantage spots that you can find in your
whole hunt area. And I test every freaking
glass spot. To see which 1 has the
best view. So when I go there, I'm
only going to the best spots. I'm not
messing around with the blasting spots that her
sub par I'm only going to the ones
that are the best possible views that I'm
looking for. But I know
before I get there because I run that
shit analysis. On every glass spot I drop.
Yeah. I just wanted to mention, I won't
throw north Idaho, bear hunting. And I told
the story a lot of times. But, you
know, I'm from Utah, I just gained elevation,
try to see there. And, you know, if
there was a clearing on my side, I
couldn't see through the trees on the other
side. That's right. There was a clearing on
the other side. I couldn't see through the
trees on my side. And it was super
frustrating. It was almost claustrophobic 4 week to
me coming from, you know, the high desert
to some area of what that was that
thick. So it was real
burned a lot of calories getting to somewhere
where I couldn't see nothing. Well, and that's
my point. So when it... I just I
did a whole bear of this spring. Right?
And glass is big for bears. Right? You
cannot kill a bear if you can't see
it. The odds of running into a bear
in the woods and killing it is pretty
slim. Right? And plastic is the name of
the game when it comes to bears. In
a lot of areas, unless you're banging or
your hunting logging roads or things like that.
But for us, glass is the name of
the game. So the view shed is like,
I run that you should so many times.
I mean, I wear my computer out run
so many dogs. But when I get... In
a a bare spot, for example, I got
6 or 7 glass spots that are absolutely
freaking money. And when I climb up there,
and I spend up my effort climb a
2000 feet. Up 58 years old. Sam,
I do not wanna climb up 2000 feet
unless I have to. And I'm glad to
do it, and I'm a ashamed to do
it, but I want I wanna do it
once and I wanna be productive. So I
spend a lot as hard testing glass spots.
And when I get up there, if I
properly run the shit, I'm gonna go out
a limb here. If I properly run my
shit analysis. I am rarely if ever.
Surprised. Meaning, it's exactly what I thought it
was going to be. It's never, like, I
can't see. The kids seem what I thought
I could see because you know even in
gentle rolling country, sam that's where it's even
more important. When the country's just kinda not
super steep, you know how you can't get
on a rolling ridge, and you can't see
the bottom because the curvature of the rich
or you can't you can't quite see because
it's just it's it's you can't quite see
all the way to the other side because
there's a hill in the way. Or the
train just kinda slopes to gentle,
all these factors can really affect the view.
And that's where that view shed. Shines, it
manages just shines. And it wasn't built for
hunters guys. It wasn't built for hunters. It
was built for cell phone towers. For views
of big landscape building when they're trying to
build a big skyscraper,
and they wanna sell these pet house suites.
They wanna know what the view is from
certain elevation, from 700 feet up, or not
700 from 70 or 80 feet up, This
is what you could see from there. Oh,
that's a great. And then they run it
over and over. Cell phone is, you know,
line of sight. So which peak do we
put the towers on? That's really what this
tool was built for. But why not use
it for hunting. And you just gotta lower
the elevation to 6 feet to human to
human height. Right? And once you learn how
to do it, But again, there's almost no
literature about it? It's it's like a hidden
feature. But once I found it, It was
gained changer for me with when it came
to blasting spots. We spend a lot of
time on that, but it's a really good
example of taking your hunt planning to the
next level. Yeah. For sure. We're running a
little bit long here, and I appreciate you
just jumping on here and given it to
us. But the 1 thing I really wanna
say that I learned from this podcast is,
you know, just how passionate
that you are about this East scouting. But
how much confidence that it gives you, and
that's kinda what I'm looking for, the reason
that I'm taking your course is so, you
know, when I go somewhere and get boots
on the ground, that's what gives me the
confidence that continue to return to that spot.
And to have that confidence,
To be able to do that east scouting
and know what I'm gonna get when I
get there is it's a no brainer for
me. Well, Same real quick. You might even
find. Some of the place that you have
on some of your haunt that you found
lots of Elk. When you start looking at
them through a different lens, you might find
some little hidden features, you might start finding
some things that you might have overlooked even,
and you might even start improving your ability
to tackle some spots that you've been hunting
for years.
Like, you might find a better glass spot.
You might find the best benches. You might
be able to start
looking for some slopes. Like, that are kinda
that you didn't really pick up on just
looking at the top.
There... It's a possible that you're gonna be
able to flesh out your current spots even
it's a little bit more thorough than maybe
you have in the past as well. Well,
I know when you were telling us the
12 things you look for?
In your course, the the basics that you
go to. I started just clicking them off
in my mind in my favorite spot. It's
let's say up. So You know... Like I
said, you've always looked for a lot of
these things before just because you've got this
experience, but you never really thought about making
a list. Right? You've just kinda do it.
It gotta you look up there. And you're
like, or you walk around? It's like, it
just makes sense. And I think that what
I'm trying to do is take all my
experience coupled with, other great guy... I I'm
also lucky. I I get spend time with
some great Western hunters, and I'm c picking
their brain. Picking their brain for all the
micro things that they're using to evaluate. And
a lot of my stuff. Here's my own,
but a lot of it is comes from
learning from other people too because I'm a
student of the game, and I think you
can tell you, guys. I'm like a sp
when it comes to this kind of stuff.
I'm I never for 1 minute. They I
know everything about everything. I certainly do not.
But I am in it to win it,
and I'm cost. Evaluating and testing new technology
and where I can use it and what
makes sense and being efficient. I wanna be
an efficient western elk hunter. And so, you
know, thanks for having me. I know we
could go on for days. I'm sorry we
were went long. I tend to have... You
already mentioned that right when I got on.
I tend to do that. So I'm sorry.
Hey, no worries. Been a great podcast. That
people got more information. They wanna reach out
to you ask you some questions where can
they find you at. Pre line pursuits on
Instagram is a great. You can kinda see
what's happening. Opening in my world on my
Instagram. But if you wanna read about the
course and the toolkit kits and the new
courses I have coming out, you can go
to tree line academy dot net opening All
of my stuff is on that website. You
can get to every... All the pockets I've
ever been on, including this 1 is organized
in the r archive on that site. So
you can quickly get to anyone I've ever
been on, been on over a hundred. And
and then you could get to all my
resources there as well. So that that Tree
caveat dot net or my Instagram at Tree
lamp Pursuits. Alright. And Jordan Bud did a
review on the rock side homepage there for
us A couple years back. Been long not
a 2. It's been a long time. Up
in the notes. So. Yeah. So well, I
appreciate it, Mark. Thanks for taking the time.
I know you got me super excited to
dive into this. It's Well,
I usually don't say this, sam, but if
you start running... I want you to give
me a call or send me a to...
If you start running, like, got a question
about the tool or anything at all? Because
I'd like to see how you... You're a
good test case for me. These guys that
have so much experience. And they think they
got it all figured out, and I love
to hear what they think. And so don't
hesitate. And and just in closing, I just
wanna tell everybody, when you click on that,
thing and you buy this course. You click
on it. You open it up. Don't scare
them off. Just take a deep breath and
jump be Don't scare. Don't scare. People say.
Alright. R. I appreciate it, Buddy. Thanks, Adam.
Alright. With today's Tips Tuesday focused on scouting.
I wanted to make some time to talk
about trail cameras. Robbie Loving the Mo and
edge pro so much. I reached out to
Molt and was lucky enough to get Mark
Oli on the show. So welcome to the
show Mark Yeah. Thanks for having me. Glad
to be here. So I'm pretty excited. Why
don't you tell us a little bit about
the Edge pro? I know that was kind
of the last year's release, but let's hit
on that a little bit first. Yeah. So
the edge pro, like you said, last year,
we released that. The big deal with the
hedge pro... So it was the second model
out in our hand. Series of cameras. So
the year before we launched the edge. And
I used that for context because the edge
launched with some technologies that were brand new
to to our cameras.
Want being Auto connect. So what Auto connect
does with all the edge series cameras is
when you turn it off, it automatically searches
for the strongest signal in the area. It
works off the 4 major carriers. So the
you're not pigeon hold into a carrier specific
camera like they've been typically in the past.
Somebody
competition has bills. Sam, things like that where
you gonna pull a sim card out add
a new. You don't do any of that.
And you just flip the button on, hit
scans, it finds it, holds onto to it,
and that's what you're using. So that's been
really helpful with getting service in areas where
you may not know what's works out there.
I know Robbie, that was 1 of the
things he looked about it was, you know,
it was put services an issue out west.
And and he was able to to utilize
that in the back country. And so the
auto connect has been huge. Also on all
the edge Series cameras, there's no Sd card.
So you don't have to buy 1. There's
not a price
it has internal memory in a. The big
reason we did that is... The Sd card
is kind of the weakest link to in
people getting their images right? So we remove
that, went to the internal memory, and it
has made the the edge camera, any of
the edge cameras the most. Reliable ones we've
we've built yet. And so the edge pro,
which launched last year. And the big news
with that, we put on the ultra mobile
app launched sure images, go to the cloud
and they're on the app. There is a
technology built in On the half side. That
way you can filter her through box, dos,
turkeys,
bears, hogs, people, vehicles. We got all kind
of stuff a that you can use. We
put with the edge pro. We put the
Ai tech in the cameras.
So now you have the Ai on the
front end, and what that allows you to
do with the camera is you can target
species or or select species and say hi.
Look, I only want images, the box and
da, You know, it's deer season. I I
don't care about turkeys out I don't care
about raccoons and all these other critters. I
just want my buck and no images. So
you can go into what's called smart tags.
Click on that and what happens when the
edge pro will take a picture. It immediately
scans it with that Ai and is saying
is the target Feces in here. If it
is, it sends it to you. If it's
not, you never even get that image. So
click out Windy days and the grass is
blowing in your is getting blown up with
all these images of nothing. Those don't even
come through anymore. The camera still takes the
motion activated image would it only send you
what you want. So that's gonna cut down
the clutter in your gallery feed on your
ass. That also will save on battery life
over time because now all these images of
nothing aren't being uploaded to the server,
which is a big power consumer in a
cell camera. So that's that's kinda That was
kind of the big feature, but some of
the other things built in on the hedge
pro. It's got live.
So when you're there at the... Tree setting
the camera it will Bluetooth connect with your
phone. And in the W mobile app, you
did a live
video feed from the cameras. So you can
move it left and right and see it
in real time and know that you have
that camera set. Just like you want it,
you're gonna get the image you want. So
that feature is is exclusive to the edge
pro. We've also got something call smart zones
in there. So when you think of smart
zones, it's kinda like your home security system,
you'll see for each image you have, it
will take the latest image, and it super
impose the motion detection zones on that image.
And you've have the ability to turn those
on and all. And the reason you may
wanna do that is you set your camera,
you know, the winds blow under or whatever.
You you always will get a limb somewhere
that hangs down. Now that limbs blowing,
and it's triggering your camera and taking these
pictures of nothing again. You can go into
the smart zones and turn the zones off
outline that limb, and those will no longer
fire for motion, but everything else is still
detecting and firing. So you get the animals
as they come through but maybe, you know,
that 10 miles in the back country, and
you're not gonna be able to get to
it for some time. You can just go
in there and turn those zones off. Another
time At... Comes in handy as the spring.
Grass starts brewing, they start blowing in the
bottom. You get all these triggers. You can
turn those zones off and still have the
animals.
Come through. You know, those were some of
the big features on the edge pro.
Now we've just launched the edge 2 pro.
We got power and edge 2, which is
the second generation of the original model and
we've got an edge to Pro. It has
all those same features built into it,
but it's got some, upgraded features as well
Now with the edge 2 pro and the
edge 2, we have on demand. So now
you can from the app. Tell the camera,
I want you to take a image or
a video, it will immediately do that and
then immediately send it back to you. So
you can get you know, you can tell
the camera when to take an image now.
It's still gonna be motion activated, but you
have the ability.
Guys like to do that sometimes that maybe...
Nothing's come out of camera in a while.
Hey. Is that still working? They'll view a
test image, it it comes through on demand.
Other ways to you to utilize that is
now dies in the east hunting food plots,
things like... Maybe they wanna see if there's
any deer out in that plot before they
again or and if there are, then they,
you know, they know, hey. Don't I don't
need to here now because I'm gonna sp
off game. So on demands a new feature,
the Edge 2 pro also now has... Gps
filter in. So when you hang your camera
off, it's automatically gonna pin you in the
app
section... I'm sorry. The map section of the
app, So now those cameras you you'll have
the pin on the map, right where that
camera is.
And the the new edge 2 pro also
has the the.
Full Hd video in its. It'll take up
to 20 second video clips with audio. So
you get a lot really beautiful videos out
of this camera
of game coming by. You know, it's it's
me because, you know, game are always making
vocal hospitalizations, things like that. And you get
really hear a lot of that that you
don't necessarily hear when you're in the field
or or did a experience it up closed,
so it really really kind of brings more
to life using those videos, but those 2
cameras are are available now for purchase.
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In Yeah. It's super intriguing. 1 I love
video just because you can analyze it over
and over again later. There's so much going
on. But Being able to control your camera
remotely. I mean, that technology is only gonna
continue to grow and grow, but that's 1
of the big problems I have with my
cameras is. I'll trim out out all the
gains and then a limb will will drop
in later, trying to find some more sunlight
after I've already trimmed it out. So those
zones... I mean, that's can be huge. Updating
your to only get your target animal when
you're way out there. I don't like to
go back in there and drop batteries. I
know Robbie lets his so go almost the
entire year. So that No wonder he loves
these things. I mean, there's just so much
technology,
and that on demand, I know when I'm
back east, Hunt and White towels. You know,
they won't trigger the camera, but they'll be
in the background in the food plot. So
that does make a lot of sense. You
know, they might cannot not be skirt in
that tree, but they're still using that plot
waiting the vacuum you could still see him.
So... Yep. You guys are always pushing them
lo there, Mark over there at Malt. Yeah.
The... Well, you know, and that's what our
team looks for is. How can we solve
problems for hunters. That that... That's that's what
we hang to do. That's what the edge
camera came out. That's why it's been such
a big success. And you know, that's what
we continue to build on and, you know,
for the white tail guys that that live,
you know, in the east and in states
where you can actually use... Beater and and
Bay. We've come out this year. It's available
as well with got. It's called Speed hub,
but it's a cellular connect it's theater, and
what that allows you to do in your
multi mobile app, you can now see your
beef levels in your feeder, you can see
your battery levels,
You change all your feeder settings from the
app. You can even see it on demand
to make the feeder go off when you
want it to. So we're we're always looking
for solutions to help partners. Now they don't
have to go and open the lid and
look in and say, I'm out of corn,
you know? Now you can actually monitor that
remotely, which is not been a capability that's
been out there before. So we're we're always
pushing it inside the app is tons of
features, I won't go into everything, but we
have game plan, which is a forecasting model
for deere movement. We have activity chart, which
is
Historical look back at what times were animals
moving basically you on, temperature, time at day,
things like that. So we we have full
mapping and weather features in there. So we
pack everything in there so that a guy
can plant his haunt. With 1 app, again,
the multi mobile system and they're connected to
their property or their hunting place and that
got that intel that they need going in,
you know, when they're ready to hot. Yeah.
That sounds super convenient, especially, I mean, western
hunting is a lot of farther way travel,
but that eastern honey, man, when you get
up in there, those deer are super sensitive
to where you're moving around, and that just
makes a lot of sense to be able
to make all those adjustments without half not
to touch or or be right next to
it there. Absolutely. It it's a huge different
in white delaware world or things are more
out close and personal.
That's for sure. Well, If anybody has any
questions or wants to ask you about these
products, can they reach out to you guys
over there? Yeah. Absolutely. We've out ways on
the website to reach out, multi mobile dot
com, multi feeder.
We've got a whole,
you know, customer service department where we got
phone number everything. Those folks are wonderful. They're
they're there 7 days a week, so you
can reach them on the weekends and, you
know, that's that's another thing that we pride
cell on as our customer service. If there
is an issue or anything like that. Our
folks... They're ready to help and and assist
and get that going. Alright, Mark. Sounds awesome.
I look forward to seeing some of these
pictures Robby Scott. I know you got these
new edge pro two's going out to him.
I'm excited to hear how he likes them
at the end of the year. Absolutely. Yeah.
Thanks. Thanks for having us on. We appreciate
it. Thank you. We'll catch up with you.
Sounds good. Alright. Moving on. No scouting episode
is complete without talking ninja scoping. Nothing makes
that. Experience better than sharing photos and videos
with friends of family. We have caught up
with a company. Everyone is heard of. Phone
scope, phone scope was 1 of the pioneering
companies of quick and easy attachment for your
cell phone, the spotting scope. You have the
man himself, coach achieve, general manager, at phone
scope to tell us what's new over there
in Beaver Utah welcome to the show, Tanner?
Hey, Sam. Thanks for having me. Excited to
talk full scope and some history on calling
what's going on? Yeah. So what don't you...
Kinda just give us a quick recap of
kind of the history you guys got going
on over. Yeah. So we started the phone
scope journey back in 20 12.
Kind of a side project for a few
years. And then
when he 15, we got busy enough, and
I quit my job doing insurance.
And the took this on full time. And,
since then, we've
revamped the case multiple times,
we're really excited for the Carbon Pro that
we launched this year.
That's definitely been the the biggest upgrade, I
would say.
Over the years. So, yeah. It's it's been
it's been a heck of a journey more
than I thought it was gonna be, and
we're we're hoping to push it another 10:12
years. Yeah. Awesome. I remember when you guys
first came out. I mean, you know, basically,
there was only a few other choices now,
you know, there's there's a broad array. Everybody's...
Jumped into the arena. So why don't you
just take it straight into the Carbon pro,
what's what's new over there? Sure. So the
carbon pro, you know, starting off with the
case itself gonna it's gotten the shock absorbing
bumper on the corners that we've used on
our elder injected cases for some time. It's
got Mag safe compatibility.
About the Max safely on the back. So
that'll work with few of our different mounts.
Works with wireless charging. We've got a tripod
mount so that'll attach to the leg of
the tripod. So the foam case is right
there in handy for you to use. But
it'll also, you know, attach to a roll
bar or your... Your E bike handle bar,
your motorcycle. Then we've brought on a wireless
charging dash mount, which I use probably the
most. I mean, anytime I'm driving in my
truck, my phone's is charging and it's it's
right there for me along with a a
wireless
battery bank, little charger your phone 1 to
1 and a half. Times, then a leather
wallet accessory. I was been surprised. The wallet
1 was was asked for for many years.
And, yeah. So we we brought that to
the table as well. But to get into
the digit scope inside of it with phones,
it allows you to adjust between lenses. So
if you wanna dig scope with the 1
x lens or the 3 x lens, It
makes it a lot easier to switch between
those lenses now. So the carbon pro use,
use the Mag safe mount on the back
of the case, and you can just simply
slide between the 1 x or I believe
even the fx lens now. This the new
iphones. 3X5X.
The it'll switch between the wide angle and
the telephoto lens almost. But what's really neat
compared to our older or original case is
that you can slide it while it's on
the optic. So you don't have to pull
the phone off, slide the disc and put
it back on. You can just simply slide
it between those 2 lenses. So for me,
when I'm scouting, generally looking long distances and
I'm always using the telephoto lens. I feel
like it works much better quality wise. When
you're using an optical zoom versus the pension
housing. On a run x like you'll see
with other companies. Carbon pro, the aluminum frame
the carbon fiber back. It's super tough and
it works really well when you're out of
field digit scoping and just as an everyday
case. Yeah. I was pretty excited. I know
a lot of times when I get out
there. I mean... Being able to hook the
battery bank directly to the back of your
phone and just put your phone away. Super
convenient. I mean, that drew my attention right
away. And I agree with you, like, I
mean, I could see where the wallet would
be pretty handy, especially if you didn't carry
a lot of stuff, but, you know, you
always have your phone with you. So you
just reach down and grab it and and
it's on the way. And those things just
come straight on and off just super quick.
Yeah. Yeah. It's been really well received. And
you know, we opened it up the first
of this year for pre orders.
Recovering the iphone 13 and up, so all
the iphone cases, you know, up to the
15 Pro max are available as shipping, galaxy,
Amazon side of things, We're doing the s
23 and up. So the s 23 and
s 24 are available now, and the ultra,
the s 23 ultra and s 24 Ultra.
That will be ready. Those will start shipping
here in the next week. Oh, no. We've
got, you know, most of those popular phones
available and and ready to... To get going
for scouting season. And then the attachment to
the spotting scope is pretty much your proprietary
system that you've always used. If you've had
1 for your scope in your older systems,
it'll work with the new carbon pro. Correct
Correct. Yeah. So those c 3 optic adapters
or the adjustable u 1 and 2. Those
will work with with the new Card pro,
fun scope cases. Yeah. Super nice that you
did don't have to worry about that. I
know 1 of the things that I have
from you guys. I don't even know how
long I had it maybe 8 or 10
years is that bluetooth shutter. I mean, I
still use that thing every every year, the
convenience level of that is... Super great. But
I've been surprised. You know, a lot of
those things. They don't last the test of
time and this thing's been been good. So...
Yeah. And that that shutter button. It is
also Covered with our lifetime warranties. If it,
you know, ever takes a dive on, let
us know and we'll send you a replacement.
Nice. On on the other side of things
guys do a lot of stuff over there
in Beaver Utah, talk about some of the
other things you guys do over there. Some
of your other lineup ups like, p Putt
maybe for a minute. Sure. You Yeah. So
Fire putt, I've we've even been working with
that now for 6 years, waterproof proof fire
starter. So if it gets wet, you know,
you just... Ring it out, re expose the
fibers, and and you can light it right
up with the, you know, standard butane lighter
or a fe rod. We also sell rechargeable
arc lighter that
we'll get the pudding lit no problem. Our
new elite lighter is blown the dark, so
it's easy to find, but also has a
compartment on the bottom of the lighter, so
you can store your putt and it just
makes a nice little handy fire kit. Nice
little package. Yeah. A really nice little package
What's new this year for P putt is
our new fireballs.
So instead of, you know, like a 2
ounce can where it's just a bolt package.
They come in, you know, basically, as you
call pre assembled little balls. So you just
pull 1 out. Expose the fibers and light
it up. It it's a good size of
burns for 6 to 8 minutes depending on
conditions, but plenty of firepower to to even
get wet, you know, wet tender lit for
you. Yeah. I know Robbie uses it a
lot. I really don't have too much fire.
I try to hunt the early season where
it's not super cold out most of the
time because I'm a baby like that. But
for people that don't know and maybe haven't
seen it, it's like a cotton ball, only
the mixture that you soak into the fibers
that aren't cotton, you know, it's similar, but
it lights much more easier than that you
could ever get a cotton white don't? Yeah,
absolutely. And once it's lit, you know, it
really it does a really good job of
staying lit. It's also semi tacky, so you
can put it on the end of a
stick. White or the underside of a piece
of wood that you're trying to get lit,
light it, and then it'll just kinda burn
up through it. And so it's... Yeah. It's
really handy stuff. Never expires you know, non
toxic,
so you're not gonna get get you sick.
You know, if it does come contact with
something. But the pirate putt works really well,
super lightweight, you know, great for a pack
or or in your glove box or, anything
along those lines? It comes in 2 separate
options,
summer and a winter blend. Why don't you
kinda tell us why we would choose 1
over the other? Sure. So we've... We've actually
got got the 3 different blends, So we've
got summer that is a little bit thicker,
and that stays in its putt form in,
you know, desert type environments when it's really...
Really hot. The the winner when it gets
really hot, you know, well above a hundred
degrees just starts to get kinda soft and
then mushy. But the winner is a is
a thinner blend and that's gonna stay p,
you know, well into 0 degrees fahrenheit.
If not colder, It's really easy to just
pull out of the can, take a piece
and light it up, And our third blend
is the spring and fall, which is just
kind of a a nice mix between the
2. Here in Utah, that's what I like
using, you know, just kind of takes me
through all the seasons, except for, you know,
maybe in January if I'm out running around.
Yeah. Those are the 3 different blends Yeah.
Really, really great fire starter. Pretty inexpensive. It's
good stuff. Yeah. I know Ronnie rave about
it. I used it a bunch there. You
know, a lot of places here in Utah.
We don't get too much rain, so it's
not super critical
to have necessarily something until the later seasons.
A lot of places you know, Pacific Northwest
or so I'm trying to get a fire
is, like, all you can do. It's a
it's a seriously. Yeah.
Absolutely. Man. It has been it's been a
dry 1 this year. I was up scouting
this this weekend for an Elk tag, and
it's...
It looks like fire season is here too.
It looks like the the beaver Beaver mount
right up the above Is... Really couple different
fires going right now. So it's if you
do make fire, make sure you put it
out. So that's what I'll say. Yeah. For
sure. Anything else you wanna talk about there
why we still got you on here? You,
over Rock slide members,
do get a 15 percent off at phone
scope dot com, and that's where we sell
pirate putt as well. You so you can
pick up if your new carbon pro as
well as some p putt, promo code to
use is rock slide 15. So and that'll
get you 15 percent off, phone scope and
p.
15, super generous forrest there, Tanner. If anybody
has any questions or wants to look at
more about your product can they find you
guys at. You can find all our info
at phone scope dot com. And we're on,
you know, all the social platforms as well
Instagram, Youtube, Facebook. And even Tiktok now.
Yeah. That's where you can find our info.
Definitely reach out. Let us know if you
have any questions. Alright, Tanner. I appreciate you
making some time during your busy schedule and
not taken us through your products. Yeah. Absolutely
happy to do it. I look forward to
the next 1. Closing out. If you have
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out to me at Sam at rocks slide.
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