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when I'm just complaining and I'm disconnected from

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the resource, you know, it's all about getting

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I'm not happy.

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go home.

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What? Yeah. It's pretty easy to sit here

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and say, oh, I'm so excited for hunting

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season and then was gonna be the best

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season. Yeah. But days 7 when you still

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haven't found the buck you're looking for and

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it's snowing sideways, that's that's kinda when

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and that really kicks in that closet it.

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Hey, everybody. Welcome to the rock cast. It's

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what, early July. I can hear the velvet

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growing and stretching as I speak. I wanted

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to introduce you to a good guy today.

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Actually just met myself. I really don't know

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him, but I know he's a good guy

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because he loves mule there, and he and

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he doesn't only put put his money or

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his mouth is. He puts his time where

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his mouth is. I wanted to introduce you

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today to Taylor Gregory. He's the c chair

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of the Wood River. Chapter of the Mule

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deer foundation and listen in. This guy's gonna

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make you better deer hunter. Taylor, are you

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out there? I'm here, Robbie. Thanks for having

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me. You bet, Buddy. Thanks for reaching out.

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To me on rock slide. I didn't put

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your rock light screen name down on

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my outline, but I believe it's hunt high

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1. Is that true?

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I believe that's right. Yeah.

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Alright. Everybody. So I met him on rocks

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slide because he's out there doing good stuff.

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And he's trying to be a better deer

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hunter himself. And he's not just sitting around

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bitch and moaning in about too many coyote,

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too many wolves,

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the the the the sun is too bright

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today,

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global cooling,

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whatever. He's he he knows he knows the

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the the complaints that are out there.

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We... We're not trying to deny Mule deer

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are having a hard time. But that's 1

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reason when this guy started talking to me,

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I thought this this dude is awesome because

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he started a chapter of the Mule Foundation.

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Rather than sitting around complaining. He says, I'm

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gonna get out and do what I can

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do to help me there. So Taylor, kinda

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tell us about how you got this vision

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to start the chapter. You mentioned something about

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going to a banquet in twin falls. Is

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that right? Yeah. Robbie. I just... Went to

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the... I wanted to be more of part

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of mule Foundation. So I, you know, became

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a member started reading their magazines.

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I've read your books, have just been passionate

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about Hunting. I've loved joining them, and Idaho

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for several years. I've I went to school

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in Montana, so Was able to hunt my

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first meal there in Montana,

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Eastern Washington when I was really young.

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But yeah. We went to the local chapter.

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My girlfriend and I, and

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sitting there got to think why am I

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driving all the way to twin falls from

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Haley Ke them to go to this chapter

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event. Why don't we start 1 here and

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the regional director at the time, and he

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he told me he said, hey. Hold that

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thought. I've got another guy I'm talking to

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that's already in the process and the that

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guy was the who ended up becoming our

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current chair as a Ross Baker.

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got it started.

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Alright. And his Ross Baker there in the

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Wood river Valley? Yes is. Yes. Alright. And

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for those of you that don't know the

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Wood river Valley, as he just mentioned at

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Haley Ke, Fin sun Valley. Ski or kind

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of the heart of central Idaho, maybe a

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little bit on the southern tip of what

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I call Central Idaho just north of the

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of the of the big desert,

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but great mule deer elk country all around

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Many units around there, a lot of back

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country around there they're just just a good

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place to live And did did I hear

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you right. You grew up in Eastern Washington?

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minute. Wait a minute. Dude you're a non

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here out. Hear helping Idaho mule?

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is the... I don't know how many years

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it called... It'd be a resident to qualify

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as a real resident these days, but I

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think... I've been in Idaho for, over 10

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years now.

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We just moved it to 20.

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That's what it is. It's gonna be 30

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next year.

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No, man. Tongue in cheek, totally. This is

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why I'm not afraid of non resident hon,

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man. You got... I don't care if you

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grew up in Eastern Washington, Tennessee.

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If you love hunting, we wanna find a

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place for you and sure enough. A guy

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like you. Grows up in Eastern Washington Go

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to school Montana. Ends up out here, you're

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not just taking from the resource you're adding

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to the resource. K? So when you were

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going to the Mule

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foundation chapter Banquet in twin falls, and you...

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You were talking to their director, and he

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hooked you up with Ross Baker. He... Is

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he also local to Wood river Valley Yeah.

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Ross slips here. Yep. Awesome. Got. So so...

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But you had never met him before? Never

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had. No. Alright. So you guys got together,

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say, hey, How can we help Mule dear?

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What was that? 20 22?

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Excellent. Oh, so, wow, you got into mule

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just ride everything took a nose dive on

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that hard winter.

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So you guys got yourself a chapter together?

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Have you had your first banquet?

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We've not had our first banquet. We hosted

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in August of last summer. We hosted a

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sort of a gear exchange event, because it

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I thought was a pretty unique idea.

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imagine a consignment situation where people bring any

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gear they wanna sell. And

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would the chapter takes a minimum of, I

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think we did 10 percent that time or

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20 percent.

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And then if they wanted to do more

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a higher percentage they could. And, man, we

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sure had some awesome awesome gear there, tons

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of first light of course because Hayley leaves

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the Home first leg. Right. Sure. Sure.

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Yeah. Big supporters of conservation. So, hey. Well,

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that... That's really cool. But we'll tell me

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this. Like...

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Like, what what were you seeing was missing

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in the Wood Ruler valley? What what what

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did you think you could make a difference

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on by starting this chapter?

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I just habitat it. I mean, I I

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keep listening to, like, the Kevin Monte podcast

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that you've done have read some of his

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follow some of the scientific

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stuff as much as I can.

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everything I read from biologists or hear from

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biologists just points towards habitat is the number

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1 way to

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improve mule deer, and

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I figured well there's certainly plenty of habitat

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and points

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plenty of opportunity for habitat work around here.

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So I figured I might as well do

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Alright. And you'd had mentioned when we were

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off that, you know, the average hunter you're

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you're run into in the field, just, you

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know, they... They hate fishing game, You know,

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it it's the wolves. It's our It's whatever.

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Know? I mean, Kinda poke fun at that

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stuff, but I I know some of that

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stuff you know, is is not going away

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we want. I totally get that. But I

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was admire a guy that's, like, you know,

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I can just let my attitude go down

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the toilet or I can get up and

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do something about it. But but... And... And

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you were the lap. You were like, hey,

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I I don't wanna just live here complaining.

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I wanna do something about it. And and

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and and and and so the whole the

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whole habitat thing. You're, you know, you're seeing

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the improvements that we can make there.

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Tell listeners a little bit more of how

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you got that vision. There's gotta be more

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than just go into 1 meeting.

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Oh, I've... It's something I've been thinking about

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for a long time, and honestly just

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frankly being lazy. You know? I I'd had

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I had told myself I was gonna join

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a chapter start to start joining some volunteer

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events for

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probably 567

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years, you know? And I just hadn't acted

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on it and

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I kinda got annoyed with myself and annoyed

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with

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knowing, you know, as I listen to more

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and learn more about meal habitat and seeing

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opportunities for work on the ground. I figured

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Oh, now's the time, and it they just

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made it easy on me here, and that's

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a another guy was already thinking about it.

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So I I got to talking with him

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and we hit it off and

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we wanna do some real work on the

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ground. So...

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Alright, man. I love it. Because really, the

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way I look at it, just just to

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boil the argument down as as simple as

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possible.

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If if we wanna make Meal hunting better,

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we got... We got 2 choices.

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Continue to cut back on tags and opportunity.

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Which has pretty much been happening.

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In every Western state for the last

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10 years,

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most will agree. It seems to be the

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road to nowhere right now.

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You know, it's... It we're we're we're not

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growing a lot more mule there with these

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changes that that we're making. Or we can

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start taking better. Care of mule and everything

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that affects me, like, you know, habitat migration

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corridors, you know, all those type of things.

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Now I realize there's little site are all

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of that. But but to me, If we're

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just gonna continue to just limit opportunity and

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limit opportunity and limit opportunity,

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that's the depressing thing to me.

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But I have seen Mule get back on

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their feet before from, you know, favorable weather,

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habitat improvement

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protection of migration corridors under highways and things

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like that. And to me, man, that's the

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long game. That's that's where we can make

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the difference.

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Sounds like you're you're on that train with

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me. I definitely agree. And I've heard you

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talk a little bit about the importance of

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positivity when you are hunting for success and...

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It's not not something I learned on the

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hunting side I learned it on the fishing

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side. And when I used to be obsessed

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with steel head fishing.

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I got... Once I got good, It got

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to the point where every cast, I genuinely

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thought I was gonna hook a steel head

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on every cast. Mh. And it wasn't that

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that was actually occurring, but when I fished

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that way, I was

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I was out fishing everybody. And I find

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that if I approach... If I approach Hunting

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in the same manner with that same positivity,

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it's amazing what it does for my own

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and I think

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doing work like this is just gonna

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help me have that's excessive positivity

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regardless of

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the current situation.

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Like, if you're

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taken taking action to to do some work

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and improve it. You're you're doing something.

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You bet. And it mentally?

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Helps you. That's what I... What's what I

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mean when I say this stuff makes you

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a better dear hunter. When you're getting engaged,

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and you're given back, and and you're learning

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and you're keeping an open mind helps when

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when you're out on the mountain, it just

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helps you. III can't even put into words

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of how, But, you know, when I'm just

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complaining and I'm disconnected from the resource, you

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know, it's all about getting 1. I have

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to fill a tag or I'm not happy.

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Oh, man. I'm I'm ready I'm ready to

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go home.

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Yeah.

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You what? Yeah. It's pretty easy to sit

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here and say, oh I'm so excited for

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hunting season and it's gonna be the best

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season. Yeah. But day 7 when you still

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haven't found the buck you're looking for and

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it's snowing sideways.

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That's that's kinda when

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and that really kicks in that positive. That

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that endless positivity.

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Still Taylor, I used to literally sit on

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the mountain in my twenties and draft letters

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in my head to the vicious game.

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Of how

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I was just gonna rip these guys down.

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They couldn't do anything right. I was gonna

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fix it all.

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And and and what changed for me was

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when I actually did what you're doing is

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I decided, you know what? I need to

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get involved And and I got involved actually

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on the fishing game side just as a

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volunteer then a volunteer program you could go

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to and work on these, you know, projects

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and work at the check station and something

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like that. That changed everything for me. Now

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number 1, I realized there's not a whole

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lot fishing game can do about, you know,

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me scale changes in, like, yeah, you know,

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like, like, what 1 when...

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The whole west is is is experiencing declines

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in mule there. There's something big going on,

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you know, and and and and to it

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to narrowly think, hey. You know, just go

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in and make this a draw on, it's

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gonna fix everything. I didn't even realize what

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what what I was thinking. You know, and

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once I begin to understand weather. And then

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all these are things we've talked about, you

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know,

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migration corridors and stuff that's becoming, you know,

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a big deal map. You know, I'm seeing

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this at at the federal level

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that are like, hey, we gotta protect this

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stuff. You know, that's the long game kind

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of stuff right there we gotta do. So

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anyways,

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Tell us

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what are some projects you've got going and

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in and around the Wood River Valley where

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people can get involved and and help you.

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Well, that's the whole reason I initially reached

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out to you, Robbie is we've got a

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a project coming up, this coming sat not

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this coming Saturday well. After the podcast. Yeah.

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This podcast a launch on or about July

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sixth or seventh, and then your

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project is on... Saturday, July. Podcast July thirteenth

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instead... Thirteenth. Gotcha. Know. Just people have about

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6 days to get involved after this podcast

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launches. Yep. So it's gonna be a fence

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removal project,

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we're partnering with Idaho efficient game and some

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of their biologists there

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to remove some... We're we're looking to get

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to about 2 miles. We'll see how much

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we can get done, but about 2 miles

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of fence on Rock Creek Ranch,

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which is

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northwest of the Highway 20 and Highway 75

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junction to Mh. So it's so it's West

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of Haley North of Highway 20.

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Mh. East of Fair field.

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We're all we're gonna meet up at the

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junction of highway 20 and Highway 75, there's

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a rest stop in the south western quadrant

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of that intersection. A lot of people around

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here your call at the blinking light.

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We're we're gonna meet there at 8AM,

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and then we'll carp pool and

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from there up to the ranch and do

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it do the best way we can. It'll

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probably be

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well, more than a half day of work,

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anybody that if you have gloves, bring them,

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if you have fencing players bring them, if

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you don't, that's okay. We've got some extra

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1 loan loan pliers, loan gloves,

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dress rugged, wear car hearts are,

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you know, not your fancy dinner shirt.

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And we look forward to anybody that's wanting

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to come on to give us a hand.

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Alright. For the for people that don't know

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where the area that he's talking about. If

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you look at a map of Idaho. You'll

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see in the lower third of Idaho. There's

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this big u shaped

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open

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valley. We we call it the great Desert.

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The Big desert is what we call it.

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And that's where a lot of the animals

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that are in Central Idaho end up to

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winter or very close to it. Okay. So

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what he's talking is on the northern edge

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of that at the blinking light is kinda

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where units. So what 48

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to 50 2AI

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can't remember

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44

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kinda... They all come together right there. Mixture

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of, you know, kinda general,

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general units to the east, straw units

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to the west,

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and then to the north, like I said

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a lot of Idaho back. So it's a

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a very important area. And I and I

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saw there was on other... And by way

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everybody, there's a threat on rock slide. Just

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go to the rock slide dot com forward

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slash forms. Go to the conservation, sub form.

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It's near the top. And get inside there.

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You'll see volunteer opportunity, July thirteenth Fence removal

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project, wood River chapter of the Mdf, and

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he's got all the details in there. But,

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I I want 1 of our long term

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members,

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g whiz,

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jumped in there and asked a question. And

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and I thought it was a good question

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because sometimes people don't understand this. Like, well,

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what's the big deal about removing fence? And

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and I mean, he's got a point. I

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see Mule jump in fences all the time

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and, you know, all that. And for people

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to haven't followed the rock. Cast. It's it's

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a legitimate question. What's the big deal about

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a fence and mule their country?

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You're right, Robbie, it's an excellent question because

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it it makes the lay person might might

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be, like, there's 12000 fences in, you know,

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hundred square miles. What's the point of removing

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1.

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The... We're not out there just removing the

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fence in a random landowners owners yard.

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We're we're using the fishing games as through

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the help efficient game and their data, and

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just known migration corridors we're focusing on just

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that

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commonly used migration corridors where hundreds of Prong

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horn, hundreds of meal there, hundreds of elk,

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cross every spring and every fall. So these

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are some of the largest migrations,

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all the deer that come, all the deer

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elk can ante envelope that come out of

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that those more high country units up in

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the Sun valley area up in the Galen

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Summit area.

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Tons of them migrate down. They cross Highway

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20 and work their way into that unit

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45 to the south.

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So we're trying to identify very specific locations

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and put her...

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You know, get the most bang for our

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time in our in our dollar.

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Yeah. And I think that's what people don't

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realize how technology has changed this game. I

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remember hunting over there. Some of those some

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of those migrations you were talking about maybe

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in the nineties. And you just kinda knew

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talking to the old timers a little bit

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efficient game that there was a migration that

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occurred. If I got this right approximately East

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of Moons stone.

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Not a lot of deer move through Moons

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stone because of the name is as it

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implies. It looks like the the face of

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the moon. But they kinda migrated through there.

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Before they got out on the desert. These

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were deer coming out of 48 49,

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getting out into 52 52 08:44.

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You know, you just kinda knew there was

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a migration there. But I don't think people

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realize once we put these Gps collars on

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deere.

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And we got these biologists and other helpers

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looking at it. We were able to identify

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high, high use areas. Maybe there's a migration

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corridor that's 10 miles wide that people have

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known about. Probably going back to the Indians.

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People known about. But when we put these

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collars on, we started realizing man, they use

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these, 2 ridges right here. You know, 80

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percent of the deer. Well, that go through

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this area will be on these 2 ridges.

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Now, on any given day, you may go

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there. You may only see on 10 or

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20 deer and think well Is never gonna

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na deer. Yeah. But you times that by

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10 or 20 deer,

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every 6 hours, 24 hours a day for

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a month and that's a lot of deer

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coming through there. And so the way I

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understand what you're talking about when you say

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you're removing an fence, I know what you

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mean. There's a targeted area where this fence

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is having an impact on

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migration. We're talking mule. But can also be

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Elk and even Prong horn. That, the... Either...

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If if comp... Complete fence removal makes sense

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or modifying the fence, we can go to,

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you know, take down fences where know, they

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can be up a part of the year.

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They're easy to lay down.

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That... That's what you're talking about right there.

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Right? Absolutely. Yep. Very specific migration corridor areas.

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You

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and that the... In addition to those Gps

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colors, they also use road road kill data

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because that's pretty. Yes. It's easy to gather

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to come through back. The Gps callers when

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there's not as many colors on the landscape.

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Yeah. And then the the great things happen

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with those

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with that row data. And now we're figuring

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out, you know, the where to... Where where

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to put fence funnels where it would make

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sense to build an under pass, and that

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hasn't... Isn't and I don't wanna white scale

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yet, but I hope it is already happening

528
00:18:42,452 --> 00:18:44,290
Wyoming. We know it works. So so this

529
00:18:44,290 --> 00:18:46,208
is what I mean people about it making

530
00:18:46,208 --> 00:18:47,966
you a better deer owner. All these things

531
00:18:47,966 --> 00:18:49,405
right here are gonna help you with a

532
00:18:49,405 --> 00:18:52,133
deer honor. So Taylor hats off to you,

533
00:18:52,212 --> 00:18:54,047
brother. I just... It was was so excited

534
00:18:54,047 --> 00:18:55,642
when I got your Pm. So was Travis.

535
00:18:55,802 --> 00:18:57,397
You know, he screenshot it and took it

536
00:18:57,397 --> 00:18:58,833
to me. He didn't know you you got

537
00:18:58,833 --> 00:19:00,758
a ahold of me too. Just great to

538
00:19:00,758 --> 00:19:02,188
see guys like you out there, saying, you

539
00:19:02,188 --> 00:19:03,458
know what? I'm not just gonna complain, I'm

540
00:19:03,458 --> 00:19:05,285
gonna do something about this. And I honestly

541
00:19:05,285 --> 00:19:06,635
think if if if if a bunch of

542
00:19:06,635 --> 00:19:08,556
us got involved at this level. You know,

543
00:19:08,715 --> 00:19:11,095
either starting chapters or supporting chapters, you know,

544
00:19:11,333 --> 00:19:12,126
whatever it takes,

545
00:19:12,999 --> 00:19:13,499
what

546
00:19:13,951 --> 00:19:16,173
we can get mule or pointed back in

547
00:19:16,173 --> 00:19:18,017
the right. Correction. I I truly believe that.

548
00:19:18,256 --> 00:19:19,847
If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't be

549
00:19:19,847 --> 00:19:20,666
on this microphone,

550
00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,190
a couple hours a week trying to fire

551
00:19:23,190 --> 00:19:25,418
people up and give them give them an

552
00:19:25,418 --> 00:19:25,918
alternative

553
00:19:26,229 --> 00:19:28,147
to just the doom and gloom that seems

554
00:19:28,147 --> 00:19:28,866
to be everywhere.

555
00:19:30,464 --> 00:19:33,180
I I appreciate that, Robbie, And there's no

556
00:19:33,180 --> 00:19:34,787
doubt that to when you said it's gonna

557
00:19:34,787 --> 00:19:36,136
make you a better hunter. I I really

558
00:19:36,136 --> 00:19:37,009
do believe that because

559
00:19:37,723 --> 00:19:39,548
it's been... It's giving me the confidence somewhere.

560
00:19:39,786 --> 00:19:40,817
I went about this stuff and

561
00:19:41,470 --> 00:19:42,269
morris spend time

562
00:19:42,750 --> 00:19:44,349
thinking about the find details like this.

563
00:19:45,069 --> 00:19:47,389
Awesome, man. Awesome. Well, hey, the microphones is

564
00:19:47,389 --> 00:19:49,069
always open. Anything else we can do to

565
00:19:49,069 --> 00:19:51,081
help you let us know now. You know

566
00:19:51,081 --> 00:19:52,911
this, but I'm just gonna say the obvious.

567
00:19:53,229 --> 00:19:54,740
If if if you want more mule deer

568
00:19:54,740 --> 00:19:56,331
hunters to come out, get us in the

569
00:19:56,331 --> 00:19:56,570
spring.

570
00:19:57,619 --> 00:19:59,615
And and don't hold anything in August. We're

571
00:19:59,615 --> 00:20:00,573
all out there scouting.

572
00:20:01,770 --> 00:20:03,527
It just it just makes more of us

573
00:20:03,527 --> 00:20:04,963
available. Man, if this would have been 3

574
00:20:04,963 --> 00:20:06,560
weeks ago, I probably would been able to

575
00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:07,926
make it. But I don't think I'm gonna

576
00:20:07,926 --> 00:20:09,594
be able make it on July thirteenth, but

577
00:20:09,594 --> 00:20:10,944
some some people are very close to that

578
00:20:11,103 --> 00:20:12,453
Jump out there. It's only a half a

579
00:20:12,453 --> 00:20:14,120
day. Make you feel better. It's gonna work

580
00:20:14,120 --> 00:20:16,206
for Meal there. But Taylor, we root... We

581
00:20:16,206 --> 00:20:18,121
can't thank you enough, and I also want

582
00:20:18,121 --> 00:20:19,478
you to pass on a big thank you

583
00:20:19,478 --> 00:20:21,632
to Ross Baker as well for getting his

584
00:20:21,632 --> 00:20:22,590
hands dirty from mule.

585
00:20:23,323 --> 00:20:24,679
We'll do, Robbie. Thanks for having us on,

586
00:20:24,838 --> 00:20:27,231
and give a little bit advertising. You bet.

587
00:20:27,390 --> 00:20:29,463
If anybody wants to get in touch with

588
00:20:29,623 --> 00:20:31,298
Taylor, the guy that handles his media his

589
00:20:31,298 --> 00:20:33,625
name is Marshall. And you can email him

590
00:20:33,625 --> 00:20:34,444
at marshall

591
00:20:34,901 --> 00:20:36,118
at mule deer

592
00:20:36,495 --> 00:20:39,205
dot org, and that's just the standard spelling

593
00:20:39,205 --> 00:20:42,035
of Marshall, MARSHALL

594
00:20:42,174 --> 00:20:43,075
at mule

595
00:20:43,375 --> 00:20:44,894
dot org get a ahold of him. If

596
00:20:44,894 --> 00:20:46,095
even if you can't get out on this

597
00:20:46,095 --> 00:20:46,494
project,

598
00:20:47,294 --> 00:20:48,894
you you can find other ways to support

599
00:20:48,894 --> 00:20:49,554
the chapter

600
00:20:49,868 --> 00:20:51,934
And, on the last thing, you guys will

601
00:20:51,934 --> 00:20:54,318
have a a winter or spring banquet. Correct?

602
00:20:55,112 --> 00:20:56,622
We're not certain on a timing of our

603
00:20:56,622 --> 00:20:57,972
banquet if we're gonna have it this year.

604
00:20:58,623 --> 00:21:01,083
We're very focused on on the ground projects

605
00:21:01,083 --> 00:21:03,305
right now. Just a few weeks ago, prior

606
00:21:03,305 --> 00:21:05,448
to this, we did do our first fence

607
00:21:05,448 --> 00:21:06,162
removal project.

608
00:21:07,288 --> 00:21:09,594
And we're looking to potentially be doing some

609
00:21:09,594 --> 00:21:11,819
seed collection in the fall. I know it's

610
00:21:11,819 --> 00:21:13,171
correct during hunting season, but we're trying to...

611
00:21:13,489 --> 00:21:14,863
I wanna stockpile up

612
00:21:15,414 --> 00:21:18,290
some seed for future planning efforts. So that's

613
00:21:18,290 --> 00:21:19,329
what we're looking at in the short term.

614
00:21:19,569 --> 00:21:22,285
We're still working on the banquet fundraising stuff

615
00:21:22,285 --> 00:21:22,765
later on.

616
00:21:23,576 --> 00:21:25,407
Excellent, man. Excellent. Well, hey, we'll help you

617
00:21:25,407 --> 00:21:26,919
any way we can. We sure appreciate you.

618
00:21:27,954 --> 00:21:30,501
Thanks, Robin. K. Talk soon, Taylor. It's time

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Hey everybody. Well, there was taylor Gregory from

642
00:22:25,102 --> 00:22:27,984
the Wood river valley chapter of the Mule

643
00:22:28,465 --> 00:22:28,625
Foundation.

644
00:22:29,345 --> 00:22:31,105
Good on him. It was great to hear

645
00:22:31,105 --> 00:22:32,785
from him that inspired travis, Travis and I.

646
00:22:33,025 --> 00:22:34,545
Good good to connect with somebody like that,

647
00:22:34,785 --> 00:22:35,000
but

648
00:22:35,678 --> 00:22:38,253
fun fact, there's over a hundred and 20

649
00:22:38,312 --> 00:22:39,829
chapters of Mule deer Foundation,

650
00:22:41,106 --> 00:22:42,782
according to what I could find on the

651
00:22:43,021 --> 00:22:43,181
Internet,

652
00:22:44,074 --> 00:22:45,985
That... That's a lot of chapters out there.

653
00:22:46,304 --> 00:22:49,012
And and remember a chapter is working locally

654
00:22:49,012 --> 00:22:51,163
on the ground. So, like, what Taylor talked

655
00:22:51,163 --> 00:22:52,676
about a fence removal project.

656
00:22:53,330 --> 00:22:54,230
Directly benefiting

657
00:22:54,769 --> 00:22:56,850
animals in that area. So if there's a

658
00:22:56,850 --> 00:22:59,570
chapter around your area or where you hunt,

659
00:23:00,130 --> 00:23:02,943
you can get involved and directly affect the

660
00:23:02,943 --> 00:23:05,340
animals that you hunt. So anyways, good on

661
00:23:05,340 --> 00:23:05,500
him.

662
00:23:06,299 --> 00:23:08,856
Okay. Because let's move into the the the

663
00:23:08,856 --> 00:23:11,028
gear segment of this podcast. We're gonna talk

664
00:23:11,028 --> 00:23:13,185
about Mule or gear on this episode.

665
00:23:13,825 --> 00:23:15,982
This is just a 10000 foot view of

666
00:23:15,982 --> 00:23:17,740
the gear. I'm gonna be using for this

667
00:23:17,740 --> 00:23:17,980
year.

668
00:23:19,354 --> 00:23:21,272
And, you know, take it for what it's

669
00:23:21,272 --> 00:23:22,950
worth. You know, I get a lot of

670
00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:25,268
questions through Instagram and on Rock slide on,

671
00:23:25,427 --> 00:23:26,706
you know, what about this? What about that?

672
00:23:26,866 --> 00:23:29,277
So I just put together a list of,

673
00:23:29,356 --> 00:23:31,270
you know, the major stuff, You know, weapons,

674
00:23:32,148 --> 00:23:32,648
optics,

675
00:23:33,184 --> 00:23:34,779
optic support system, boots,

676
00:23:35,657 --> 00:23:37,651
satellite, satellite mapping, tents,

677
00:23:38,303 --> 00:23:40,214
sleeping bags, pad, packs,

678
00:23:41,011 --> 00:23:41,511
clothing,

679
00:23:42,524 --> 00:23:44,913
just the major categories. And... This is just

680
00:23:44,913 --> 00:23:47,159
gonna be kind of a run gun, through

681
00:23:47,159 --> 00:23:49,000
each 1 of these. It's not a review

682
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,839
on each piece of gear. It's it's nothing

683
00:23:50,839 --> 00:23:53,000
like that. But but if if if something

684
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:54,440
strikes a court with you, you have a

685
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,450
question on something You can reach out to

686
00:23:56,450 --> 00:23:58,916
me either through Robbie Den on Instagram, Rock

687
00:23:58,916 --> 00:24:00,849
slide on Instagram or

688
00:24:01,304 --> 00:24:02,736
rock slide Pm.

689
00:24:03,629 --> 00:24:04,907
It's getting into the time of year when

690
00:24:05,067 --> 00:24:07,623
I'm not around the computer as much. I'm

691
00:24:07,623 --> 00:24:09,700
probably slow to respond, but I'll certainly try

692
00:24:09,700 --> 00:24:12,188
to answer. Any questions that might come up

693
00:24:12,427 --> 00:24:14,899
from today's episode. So let's jump into the

694
00:24:14,899 --> 00:24:17,371
weapons. For my bow, I'm gonna be shooting

695
00:24:17,371 --> 00:24:19,698
the same I was shooting last year. That's

696
00:24:19,698 --> 00:24:21,531
the matthews use phase 4. It was released

697
00:24:21,531 --> 00:24:23,603
in 20 23. You have a big review

698
00:24:23,603 --> 00:24:25,754
on Rock slide. If anybody's interested in at

699
00:24:25,754 --> 00:24:28,400
less welch is our... Matthew's guy on rock

700
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:28,560
side.

701
00:24:29,597 --> 00:24:31,272
He did the phase 4. I think he

702
00:24:31,272 --> 00:24:32,469
did a 33.

703
00:24:32,709 --> 00:24:33,825
I'm shooting a 29.

704
00:24:34,639 --> 00:24:36,157
Either way, he gives you all the nuts

705
00:24:36,157 --> 00:24:38,075
and bolts of why that was such a

706
00:24:38,075 --> 00:24:39,913
great bow last year. I think he's on

707
00:24:39,913 --> 00:24:41,671
to the Matthews lift right now. He's always

708
00:24:41,671 --> 00:24:43,681
shooting the new bows. But lot of value

709
00:24:43,681 --> 00:24:44,876
in the Matthews phase 4,

710
00:24:46,231 --> 00:24:47,289
really smooth

711
00:24:49,019 --> 00:24:51,968
firing bow. The first time I shot it.

712
00:24:53,019 --> 00:24:54,377
I thought something was wrong.

713
00:24:54,937 --> 00:24:57,334
It reminded me of the same feeling as

714
00:24:57,334 --> 00:24:59,331
when you shoot a muzzle loader and only

715
00:24:59,331 --> 00:25:00,290
the cap goes off,

716
00:25:00,863 --> 00:25:03,171
and the charge doesn't go off. That's what

717
00:25:03,171 --> 00:25:04,921
it felt like when I fired my first

718
00:25:04,921 --> 00:25:06,911
arrow off my Matthews phase 4. They're so

719
00:25:06,911 --> 00:25:09,537
smooth, so quiet. I really thought something was

720
00:25:09,537 --> 00:25:09,776
wrong.

721
00:25:11,546 --> 00:25:14,580
Low shock, just a not a lot going

722
00:25:14,580 --> 00:25:15,857
along when that bog goes off.

723
00:25:16,576 --> 00:25:18,013
I can't say it made me a total

724
00:25:18,013 --> 00:25:20,901
better shot, but if there was AAA reason

725
00:25:20,901 --> 00:25:21,720
to have

726
00:25:22,336 --> 00:25:24,251
Target panic, you know, the like,

727
00:25:25,846 --> 00:25:28,000
the the guy what's his name Joel. I

728
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,355
don't wanna his last name Scam remember right

729
00:25:29,355 --> 00:25:31,834
now. He... He's he's the the the the

730
00:25:31,834 --> 00:25:35,194
shot coach out there right now on Instagram

731
00:25:35,330 --> 00:25:36,363
everywhere. And

732
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,320
he always coaching about how the brain is

733
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,025
kinda wired to freak out when a gun

734
00:25:42,025 --> 00:25:43,298
gonna go off or a bow is gonna

735
00:25:43,298 --> 00:25:45,207
go off. I can tell you Matthew's phase

736
00:25:45,207 --> 00:25:47,613
4. Helps with that because there's just not

737
00:25:47,613 --> 00:25:50,027
a lot of shot going on. The matthews,

738
00:25:50,325 --> 00:25:51,839
you can... It's got the bridge lock system.

739
00:25:51,999 --> 00:25:54,072
That means everything bolts into the center of

740
00:25:54,072 --> 00:25:54,732
the rise

741
00:25:55,124 --> 00:25:57,034
So your quiver isn't poking out so far.

742
00:25:57,193 --> 00:25:59,262
Your site isn't poking out so far. Makes

743
00:25:59,262 --> 00:26:01,252
for a better balance better handling, bow.

744
00:26:03,019 --> 00:26:05,096
It certainly does do that. It it was

745
00:26:05,096 --> 00:26:06,933
a lot easier to balance that bow with

746
00:26:06,933 --> 00:26:07,173
my,

747
00:26:07,972 --> 00:26:09,490
level in my site.

748
00:26:10,143 --> 00:26:11,500
I could tell right off the bat, just

749
00:26:11,500 --> 00:26:12,777
the way everything lines up in the center.

750
00:26:13,016 --> 00:26:15,968
But the the Excel fixed 5 pin is

751
00:26:15,968 --> 00:26:18,059
what comes with the bow, when you were

752
00:26:18,059 --> 00:26:19,497
from the factory. Now, you know, I can

753
00:26:19,497 --> 00:26:21,016
take anything with the Bridge lock system. So

754
00:26:21,176 --> 00:26:22,774
I just went with that. I I ran

755
00:26:22,774 --> 00:26:25,252
a dial pin on my previous system. And

756
00:26:25,252 --> 00:26:26,770
and I liked it There was no problem

757
00:26:26,770 --> 00:26:29,009
with it. But I'm just... The more I

758
00:26:29,009 --> 00:26:30,460
shot in our cold bow challenge

759
00:26:30,831 --> 00:26:33,288
and just the last, you know, 5, 6

760
00:26:33,288 --> 00:26:36,320
years of archer realized. I'll just... Not a

761
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,102
very good archer. I've just realized simpler better,

762
00:26:39,261 --> 00:26:40,851
so I got away from the dial for

763
00:26:40,851 --> 00:26:42,282
a while, just shooting

764
00:26:42,838 --> 00:26:44,845
a straight 5 pin. 30,

765
00:26:45,325 --> 00:26:45,724
40,

766
00:26:46,125 --> 00:26:46,605
50,

767
00:26:47,164 --> 00:26:49,644
60 yards is is are my money pins.

768
00:26:50,045 --> 00:26:52,204
The bottom pin, I let it float between

769
00:26:52,204 --> 00:26:53,325
65 and 70.

770
00:26:54,375 --> 00:26:56,205
And but I don't don't plan on using

771
00:26:56,205 --> 00:26:57,638
that in field unless I really need. You

772
00:26:57,638 --> 00:26:58,456
know, I'm

773
00:26:58,990 --> 00:27:00,820
Cold bow has taught me 1 thing. I'm

774
00:27:00,820 --> 00:27:02,571
a 55 yard and in guy.

775
00:27:03,303 --> 00:27:06,415
You know, 55 is really the farthest III

776
00:27:06,415 --> 00:27:08,011
really should be shooting. And that's where I

777
00:27:08,011 --> 00:27:10,086
can keep most of my arrows in the

778
00:27:10,086 --> 00:27:12,966
vinyl. So, the the they excel. It's a

779
00:27:12,966 --> 00:27:14,716
really nice sight. It comes with... I think,

780
00:27:14,875 --> 00:27:15,852
red green yellow

781
00:27:16,466 --> 00:27:18,389
pins, you know, the fiber optic, depends because

782
00:27:18,469 --> 00:27:19,980
I'm color blind it had a really hard

783
00:27:19,980 --> 00:27:22,603
time with the red and the yellow. So

784
00:27:22,762 --> 00:27:24,830
I bought a second site for it and

785
00:27:24,830 --> 00:27:26,976
had them customize it where everything was green.

786
00:27:27,389 --> 00:27:29,227
I I could see that green pretty good.

787
00:27:30,186 --> 00:27:32,264
So I just have to count fans. And

788
00:27:32,264 --> 00:27:33,702
well, just feel over the years, you know,

789
00:27:33,862 --> 00:27:35,540
I've been shooting Archer for 30 some years.

790
00:27:35,954 --> 00:27:37,944
I I probably just being color wine. I

791
00:27:37,944 --> 00:27:40,174
never paid much attention to the pin color

792
00:27:40,174 --> 00:27:41,767
anyways. I just... Would Always count my pins,

793
00:27:41,846 --> 00:27:43,280
you know, 30, 40 50.

794
00:27:43,997 --> 00:27:46,000
It some people ask why I only shoot

795
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,192
a why I shoot a 30 and out

796
00:27:47,192 --> 00:27:49,418
of 20. These newer bows are so flat

797
00:27:49,418 --> 00:27:51,882
shooting. I'm shooting a 70 pounds.

798
00:27:52,934 --> 00:27:54,931
I've cornered it. I'm right about that. 2

799
00:27:54,931 --> 00:27:57,009
90, I think right around in there. They're...

800
00:27:57,169 --> 00:27:58,846
That... They shoot flat enough that I really

801
00:27:58,846 --> 00:28:00,936
don't need a 20 yard pin. And going

802
00:28:00,936 --> 00:28:02,608
back over the years, I have not been

803
00:28:02,608 --> 00:28:04,996
that close to to the closest diver got

804
00:28:04,996 --> 00:28:06,747
to a about is Jalapeno at 18 yards.

805
00:28:07,065 --> 00:28:08,816
But even at 18 yards, I can still

806
00:28:08,816 --> 00:28:10,424
shoot my 30 yard pin on heart.

807
00:28:11,223 --> 00:28:12,582
And it keeps it simple. I I don't

808
00:28:12,582 --> 00:28:14,260
wanna go with the seventh pin site. So,

809
00:28:14,660 --> 00:28:16,338
anyway, as far as arrows, I'm running the

810
00:28:16,338 --> 00:28:18,256
iron wheel arrows, if you followed last year's

811
00:28:18,256 --> 00:28:20,266
podcast when only had Bill on I ordered

812
00:28:20,266 --> 00:28:23,690
the the easton axis match grade 5 millimeter

813
00:28:23,690 --> 00:28:26,396
and a 03:40 spine last year. I got

814
00:28:26,396 --> 00:28:28,162
away from the gold tip. Mike, Pros that

815
00:28:28,241 --> 00:28:29,989
I was shooting, they were a good arrow.

816
00:28:30,227 --> 00:28:33,428
They really the the the micro diameter arrows

817
00:28:33,802 --> 00:28:35,629
really do buck the wind. If you wanna

818
00:28:35,629 --> 00:28:38,115
see an pros a really good 1 test.

819
00:28:38,194 --> 00:28:40,029
Yeah. I'm kinda pat myself on the back

820
00:28:40,029 --> 00:28:41,306
here, But I I put a lot of

821
00:28:41,306 --> 00:28:42,343
work into it If you go to the

822
00:28:42,343 --> 00:28:44,274
rock side Youtube channel, and you look at

823
00:28:44,274 --> 00:28:46,271
that win test that I did, That's probably

824
00:28:46,271 --> 00:28:47,571
around 2017,

825
00:28:48,669 --> 00:28:52,265
16 somewhere in there, shooting those gold tips,

826
00:28:53,236 --> 00:28:55,541
in 30 mile in hour winds, I shot

827
00:28:55,541 --> 00:28:56,518
them with both

828
00:28:57,051 --> 00:28:58,402
veins and feathers,

829
00:28:59,038 --> 00:29:01,541
and I shot them against us standard diameter

830
00:29:01,677 --> 00:29:03,189
arrow at that time, which were... You, I

831
00:29:03,348 --> 00:29:04,780
Don't remember what it was. It was, you

832
00:29:04,780 --> 00:29:06,849
know, what most people are shooting before the

833
00:29:06,849 --> 00:29:08,679
micro came on the scene. They're probably 6

834
00:29:08,679 --> 00:29:09,179
millimeter

835
00:29:09,569 --> 00:29:11,665
6 and a half, something like that. And,

836
00:29:12,122 --> 00:29:14,038
I I shot them at 80 yards and

837
00:29:14,038 --> 00:29:16,990
the wind drift was was very significant.

838
00:29:18,442 --> 00:29:20,118
You can jump jump on rocks I looked

839
00:29:20,118 --> 00:29:22,513
that up, and and and you can see

840
00:29:22,513 --> 00:29:24,110
that the microbes do make a difference. Well,

841
00:29:24,270 --> 00:29:26,106
5 millimeter. I I don't consider it a

842
00:29:26,106 --> 00:29:28,185
micro, it's kind of in between the microbes

843
00:29:28,185 --> 00:29:29,532
and the old standard diameter arrows.

844
00:29:30,562 --> 00:29:32,147
That's what I went with. You know, so

845
00:29:32,226 --> 00:29:33,944
I'm getting a little more lin drift, but

846
00:29:34,224 --> 00:29:35,105
the tough.

847
00:29:35,505 --> 00:29:37,505
They're such a tougher arrow. I really like

848
00:29:37,505 --> 00:29:39,024
those gold tips, gold tip. I'm not trying

849
00:29:39,024 --> 00:29:40,384
to throw into the bus, but, you know,

850
00:29:40,544 --> 00:29:42,464
those microbes that I had. I I was

851
00:29:42,464 --> 00:29:43,999
going through a lot of them. You know,

852
00:29:44,238 --> 00:29:45,674
I just... If, you know, if you use

853
00:29:45,674 --> 00:29:47,828
the wrong pin, you hit the back the

854
00:29:47,828 --> 00:29:49,663
backstop stop, you, hit the ground or something.

855
00:29:49,823 --> 00:29:52,315
I I was just, you breaking more of

856
00:29:52,315 --> 00:29:53,994
them. And and I still shot them for,

857
00:29:54,075 --> 00:29:55,595
like, 5 years. I mean, I really like

858
00:29:55,595 --> 00:29:56,955
the arrows. But now that I've gone to

859
00:29:56,955 --> 00:29:59,195
these 5 millimeters are a tough enough arrow

860
00:29:59,195 --> 00:30:01,543
for a guy that's hits the backstop sometime

861
00:30:02,077 --> 00:30:03,827
that I... That I'm not just replacing so

862
00:30:03,827 --> 00:30:06,611
many arrows. I did go with the, the

863
00:30:06,611 --> 00:30:08,281
the hit insert 25 grains.

864
00:30:09,092 --> 00:30:10,070
I think my

865
00:30:11,961 --> 00:30:15,090
balance point of my arrows, my Fo is

866
00:30:15,307 --> 00:30:17,713
right at. 15 percent. I might be 14

867
00:30:17,713 --> 00:30:18,510
right around in there.

868
00:30:19,227 --> 00:30:20,582
I, you know, I I didn't go too

869
00:30:20,582 --> 00:30:23,291
far off the chart on that because I

870
00:30:23,371 --> 00:30:25,224
By I don't know. I listened that argument

871
00:30:25,224 --> 00:30:27,785
for years and guys getting above 15. It

872
00:30:27,785 --> 00:30:29,144
it just didn't seem to make a a

873
00:30:29,144 --> 00:30:30,825
big difference with me. I tried it with

874
00:30:30,825 --> 00:30:30,984
different...

875
00:30:31,875 --> 00:30:33,864
Heavier points, 01:20 five's of stuff like that.

876
00:30:34,023 --> 00:30:35,773
It just wasn't making a big difference. So

877
00:30:35,932 --> 00:30:37,841
I'm right around 15 percent Fo,

878
00:30:38,494 --> 00:30:40,255
I did the iron wheel hybrid hunter veins.

879
00:30:40,494 --> 00:30:41,695
I like them. The only thing I didn't

880
00:30:41,695 --> 00:30:43,375
like is they only come in white, so,

881
00:30:44,174 --> 00:30:46,575
my cock feather, I had to use a

882
00:30:46,575 --> 00:30:48,268
sharpie. To find my cock feather.

883
00:30:48,827 --> 00:30:50,985
I think Iron wheel was working on getting

884
00:30:50,985 --> 00:30:53,403
a different colored than thing. So you could

885
00:30:53,462 --> 00:30:53,942
you could,

886
00:30:54,661 --> 00:30:57,144
mark your cock feather, but Anyways, I'm gonna

887
00:30:57,144 --> 00:30:59,763
run the 7 1.5 tie expendable again this

888
00:30:59,763 --> 00:31:02,009
year. I've gone back and forth between the

889
00:31:02,143 --> 00:31:02,778
iron wheel.

890
00:31:03,588 --> 00:31:04,543
100 standards,

891
00:31:05,260 --> 00:31:06,056
Adam for years.

892
00:31:06,693 --> 00:31:09,559
I'd like them. That they shoot just fine.

893
00:31:09,798 --> 00:31:11,311
They really do. But,

894
00:31:11,883 --> 00:31:14,190
I'm looking for any edge, III

895
00:31:14,190 --> 00:31:17,133
can have. And when Idaho legalize the expendable,

896
00:31:17,372 --> 00:31:19,696
I went that direction. I I know you're

897
00:31:19,696 --> 00:31:21,770
given up may may maybe a little bit

898
00:31:21,770 --> 00:31:23,205
impact on the expendable,

899
00:31:23,844 --> 00:31:24,242
but

900
00:31:25,359 --> 00:31:27,512
they just give me a little bit more

901
00:31:27,512 --> 00:31:29,602
margin of error. If I'm not doing everything,

902
00:31:29,761 --> 00:31:30,980
I'm I'm perfectly

903
00:31:31,358 --> 00:31:33,513
at the shot and if, you know, I

904
00:31:33,513 --> 00:31:36,147
practice all summer. I I shoot 3DI do

905
00:31:36,147 --> 00:31:37,997
that kind of stuff. And you know, you're

906
00:31:37,997 --> 00:31:40,150
flat foot. Sometimes you get down on 2

907
00:31:40,150 --> 00:31:42,543
knees and you shoot, but hunting, it just

908
00:31:42,543 --> 00:31:44,616
seems like you're you're never in an ideal

909
00:31:44,616 --> 00:31:46,211
position, So I'm looking for any edge I

910
00:31:46,211 --> 00:31:48,062
can. So Iron will. As soon as you

911
00:31:48,062 --> 00:31:49,658
come out with an expandable. I'm game.

912
00:31:50,616 --> 00:31:53,250
I missed the cold challenge this year, cup

913
00:31:53,250 --> 00:31:55,246
couple of things that happened. I lost my

914
00:31:55,246 --> 00:31:57,489
sweet daddy. In May, and that was during

915
00:31:57,489 --> 00:31:58,521
the cold challenge.

916
00:31:59,236 --> 00:32:00,666
He'd been sick for a long time, and

917
00:32:00,825 --> 00:32:02,175
I haven't I haven't talked about it much

918
00:32:02,175 --> 00:32:03,446
on the rock cast because I don't wanna

919
00:32:03,446 --> 00:32:05,210
get choked up But I'll tell you this.

920
00:32:05,368 --> 00:32:07,594
He was a good good father. And I

921
00:32:07,594 --> 00:32:09,525
lost you in early May right as the

922
00:32:09,899 --> 00:32:11,647
challenge was getting up and going.

923
00:32:12,299 --> 00:32:15,013
And I also got bur side really bad

924
00:32:15,013 --> 00:32:16,530
in my in my shoulder.

925
00:32:18,526 --> 00:32:20,043
This is funny. My wife's is gonna be

926
00:32:20,043 --> 00:32:21,400
mad, then I'm a tell you guys this,

927
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,490
but she got really sick in April.

928
00:32:24,528 --> 00:32:25,965
And, you know, we were going through heck

929
00:32:25,965 --> 00:32:27,402
back in April Taking care of my dad,

930
00:32:27,561 --> 00:32:29,398
and she got sick. I mean, our lives

931
00:32:29,398 --> 00:32:30,515
were just turned upside down.

932
00:32:31,168 --> 00:32:33,236
And, I was sleeping on the couch because

933
00:32:33,236 --> 00:32:35,384
she was sick she was coughing all. And

934
00:32:35,464 --> 00:32:37,373
I couldn't get any sleep. Well, our couch

935
00:32:37,373 --> 00:32:39,362
is kinda narrow. So I sleeping on my

936
00:32:39,362 --> 00:32:40,887
side for 3 or 4 nights in a

937
00:32:40,887 --> 00:32:43,984
row, and man that just set me off.

938
00:32:44,143 --> 00:32:46,207
It just did something to my shoulder. It

939
00:32:46,366 --> 00:32:47,478
I went to the doctor. It turned out

940
00:32:47,478 --> 00:32:49,279
to Bieber scientist. You know? I mean, she's

941
00:32:49,719 --> 00:32:51,238
what... I mean this is old man stuff.

942
00:32:51,397 --> 00:32:52,756
You know, you sleep on the couch and

943
00:32:52,756 --> 00:32:53,416
you get.

944
00:32:53,795 --> 00:32:55,393
Jimmy, I used to sleep on the couch

945
00:32:55,393 --> 00:32:56,672
for months at a time when I was

946
00:32:56,672 --> 00:32:58,510
a kid, and, you know, you... It couldn't

947
00:32:58,510 --> 00:33:00,279
hurt me. Now I get Versailles. I could...

948
00:33:00,518 --> 00:33:02,350
I could, I... It was in my it

949
00:33:02,350 --> 00:33:04,660
was in my bow arm. And so it

950
00:33:04,660 --> 00:33:06,492
hurts so bad. I could draw my bow.

951
00:33:06,731 --> 00:33:09,216
I just couldn't hold my bow. So I

952
00:33:09,375 --> 00:33:11,128
I had to step out of the Cold

953
00:33:11,128 --> 00:33:13,757
challenge. And I I missed the whole thing.

954
00:33:13,997 --> 00:33:16,325
Thank you, Howard me for stepping up. I'm

955
00:33:16,325 --> 00:33:18,164
taking the lead post and the cold challenge.

956
00:33:18,484 --> 00:33:20,404
Whenever you're the lead shooter in the cold

957
00:33:20,404 --> 00:33:22,325
challenge us to first post everybody sees. There's

958
00:33:22,325 --> 00:33:24,818
so much pressure there. And it's embarrassing and

959
00:33:24,818 --> 00:33:26,655
you miss. Most years I miss. I just

960
00:33:26,655 --> 00:33:29,212
embarrassed myself. So, Howard, I I thank you

961
00:33:29,212 --> 00:33:31,803
very much for for taking the lead, and

962
00:33:31,859 --> 00:33:34,559
you embarrassing yourself this year. And on a

963
00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:36,385
side note for everybody, the Cold challenges is

964
00:33:36,385 --> 00:33:37,814
over right now, but the thread is still

965
00:33:37,814 --> 00:33:39,735
on our Archer tree sub form, jump in

966
00:33:39,735 --> 00:33:39,894
there,

967
00:33:40,608 --> 00:33:42,355
Howard and I are gonna have a shoot

968
00:33:42,355 --> 00:33:43,546
off here in the next week or 2.

969
00:33:43,784 --> 00:33:46,007
My shoulders feeling good. I'm I'm I'm shooting

970
00:33:46,007 --> 00:33:47,992
again. I started back with my Athens bow.

971
00:33:48,564 --> 00:33:50,240
I I could turn it down just, as,

972
00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:53,513
60 pounds, and, started for about a week

973
00:33:53,513 --> 00:33:55,450
shooting for that. Switched over to my matthews

974
00:33:55,748 --> 00:33:57,518
about a week and a half ago, I'm

975
00:33:57,518 --> 00:33:59,433
shooting 5 to 10 arrows with no problem

976
00:33:59,433 --> 00:34:01,187
in the shoulder. So Howard and I are

977
00:34:01,187 --> 00:34:03,500
gonna have a shoot off. He he didn't

978
00:34:03,819 --> 00:34:05,096
hit a hundred percent on the cold bow

979
00:34:05,096 --> 00:34:06,451
this year. I think he dropped a couple

980
00:34:06,451 --> 00:34:07,979
arrows, at least 1 arrow out of the

981
00:34:07,979 --> 00:34:09,808
3. I didn't even get a shoot. So

982
00:34:09,808 --> 00:34:11,239
we're gonna we're gonna have shoot off. And

983
00:34:11,398 --> 00:34:13,863
I told Howard. Pack a lunch brother. I'm

984
00:34:13,863 --> 00:34:15,294
gonna out shoot you. He's gonna pick his

985
00:34:15,453 --> 00:34:17,059
Me r. I'm gonna pick mine, 1 They

986
00:34:17,059 --> 00:34:18,333
may not be the same. If, you know,

987
00:34:18,413 --> 00:34:19,927
it's it's totally in the spirit of the

988
00:34:19,927 --> 00:34:22,317
challenge. Whatever you think your maximum distances, you

989
00:34:22,317 --> 00:34:23,352
get 1 arrow a day.

990
00:34:24,323 --> 00:34:26,949
No practice. No warm up, just like hunting.

991
00:34:27,108 --> 00:34:28,938
You shoot that arrow, and then you gotta

992
00:34:28,938 --> 00:34:30,927
take 24 hours off. Give me a calendar

993
00:34:30,927 --> 00:34:32,618
day off. And then you can shoot again.

994
00:34:32,777 --> 00:34:34,695
So how hour and I are gonna do

995
00:34:34,695 --> 00:34:37,012
it, and I'm coming after your buddy. I'm

996
00:34:37,012 --> 00:34:38,450
coming after you. So be ready.

997
00:34:39,104 --> 00:34:41,419
Okay. For my rifle for this year,

998
00:34:42,057 --> 00:34:43,894
I I wanna let everybody know. I've I've

999
00:34:43,894 --> 00:34:46,209
joined a Cult. Alright. I've I've joined the

1000
00:34:46,209 --> 00:34:47,486
cult. Some of you already know what I'm

1001
00:34:47,486 --> 00:34:48,045
talking about.

1002
00:34:48,697 --> 00:34:49,197
The

1003
00:34:49,573 --> 00:34:50,925
whole 223

1004
00:34:50,925 --> 00:34:53,710
for elk, deer and bear thread on rock

1005
00:34:53,710 --> 00:34:56,351
side. I got sucked into it, And I

1006
00:34:56,351 --> 00:34:57,946
watched it... I think it's over a million

1007
00:34:57,946 --> 00:34:59,141
views now on Rock site. It's 1 of

1008
00:34:59,141 --> 00:35:00,576
the biggest threads ever were on Rock side.

1009
00:35:01,134 --> 00:35:03,286
Our friend, Chris from North Idaho started that

1010
00:35:03,286 --> 00:35:06,499
thread. He had been thoroughly testing 223

1011
00:35:06,633 --> 00:35:09,012
caliber on on Deer elk,

1012
00:35:09,885 --> 00:35:13,322
bear and just... The way everything works out,

1013
00:35:13,562 --> 00:35:16,358
just what a small world this is.

1014
00:35:17,477 --> 00:35:19,968
I sold a a moose hunt. On 1

1015
00:35:19,968 --> 00:35:22,121
of our ranches here. Oh, I think it

1016
00:35:22,121 --> 00:35:23,238
was in 2000,

1017
00:35:23,717 --> 00:35:26,588
a lady had drawn moose tag. And they

1018
00:35:26,588 --> 00:35:28,661
just wanted access to Ranch. Didn't wanna be

1019
00:35:28,661 --> 00:35:29,061
guided.

1020
00:35:29,952 --> 00:35:31,862
Just just a place to hunt moose and

1021
00:35:31,862 --> 00:35:34,193
hung on their own. And so

1022
00:35:34,967 --> 00:35:36,639
she come out in the summer. I showed

1023
00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:38,324
her around the ranch. You know, just to

1024
00:35:38,324 --> 00:35:39,356
click a half a day took her up

1025
00:35:39,356 --> 00:35:40,943
there. You know, the the moose would be

1026
00:35:40,943 --> 00:35:42,689
in different spots by by the time their

1027
00:35:42,689 --> 00:35:44,276
hunt came around, I shoulder a hunt here,

1028
00:35:44,435 --> 00:35:46,123
hunt there. Just showed them where they'd be

1029
00:35:46,123 --> 00:35:47,641
staying in kinda stayed in touch with with

1030
00:35:47,641 --> 00:35:50,199
them throughout the summer. And it just so

1031
00:35:50,199 --> 00:35:51,957
happened the week that they were hunting. I

1032
00:35:51,957 --> 00:35:54,128
wasn't even in town. I was in, I

1033
00:35:54,128 --> 00:35:55,477
think it was in Colorado Deer running. But

1034
00:35:55,556 --> 00:35:56,588
I stayed in touch with them on the

1035
00:35:56,588 --> 00:35:58,096
end reach. Just make sure they didn't have

1036
00:35:58,096 --> 00:35:59,763
any questions about the ranch. You know, I've

1037
00:35:59,763 --> 00:36:01,985
done done self guided ranch hunts for years

1038
00:36:01,985 --> 00:36:03,989
for guys, and Usually if you're just available

1039
00:36:03,989 --> 00:36:06,458
for questions each day, you know, self guided

1040
00:36:06,458 --> 00:36:07,891
hunters. They they don't want you to hold

1041
00:36:07,891 --> 00:36:09,006
their hand. You know, but they may have

1042
00:36:09,006 --> 00:36:11,236
a question on, hey, what about this fence

1043
00:36:11,236 --> 00:36:13,083
or know, what about access here or and

1044
00:36:13,083 --> 00:36:14,516
stuff like that. So I was staying in

1045
00:36:14,516 --> 00:36:16,268
touch with her throughout the week. And and,

1046
00:36:16,586 --> 00:36:18,338
you know, moose was not easy. They were

1047
00:36:18,338 --> 00:36:19,851
there, like, 6 or 7 days. She brought

1048
00:36:19,851 --> 00:36:20,144
a, you

1049
00:36:21,059 --> 00:36:22,116
a couple of friends

1050
00:36:22,491 --> 00:36:22,969
and

1051
00:36:23,605 --> 00:36:24,878
and follow me here. This is what a

1052
00:36:24,878 --> 00:36:26,628
small world it is. They they kill a

1053
00:36:26,628 --> 00:36:28,696
moose on, like, the fifth or sixth day,

1054
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:31,190
a nice moose and ended up having a

1055
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:32,869
busted off ant, but it was still a

1056
00:36:32,869 --> 00:36:34,230
great moshe she worked her butt off. I

1057
00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:36,125
was proud of her. And so as worked

1058
00:36:36,244 --> 00:36:37,601
text them back and forth. I'm like, by

1059
00:36:37,601 --> 00:36:38,799
the way, I never did ask you, What

1060
00:36:38,799 --> 00:36:41,673
do you hunt with? It's just, 0A223I

1061
00:36:41,673 --> 00:36:43,349
just about dropped the un reach. I'm like,

1062
00:36:43,589 --> 00:36:45,425
you shot a moose of the 223,

1063
00:36:45,919 --> 00:36:47,833
You know, I I just... I just couldn't

1064
00:36:47,833 --> 00:36:49,268
believe. I couldn't argue it. They got it.

1065
00:36:49,427 --> 00:36:50,485
You know, I I

1066
00:36:50,862 --> 00:36:52,776
quick recovery, all that stuff. No problems there.

1067
00:36:53,095 --> 00:36:54,291
That was my first...

1068
00:36:56,144 --> 00:36:58,865
Exposure to somebody hunting big big game with

1069
00:36:58,865 --> 00:36:59,905
a small caliber rifle.

1070
00:37:00,945 --> 00:37:03,276
Well, as time goes on, I kinda put

1071
00:37:03,276 --> 00:37:04,788
the pieces of the puzzle together.

1072
00:37:06,299 --> 00:37:08,368
Her husband was Chris, the guy that started

1073
00:37:08,368 --> 00:37:09,561
that thread on rock slide.

1074
00:37:10,213 --> 00:37:11,728
And, you know, so I'm reading through this

1075
00:37:11,728 --> 00:37:13,003
thread on Rocks. If you haven't run it,

1076
00:37:13,163 --> 00:37:15,474
it's in our firearms forms, 223 for Elk

1077
00:37:15,634 --> 00:37:17,547
Moose, Deer, I think is what it's called

1078
00:37:17,627 --> 00:37:19,630
Go look at it. Any and and he

1079
00:37:19,630 --> 00:37:22,487
made the case on why shooting a small

1080
00:37:22,487 --> 00:37:24,472
caliber for a big game is not a,

1081
00:37:25,186 --> 00:37:26,853
a disadvantage. It's an advantage.

1082
00:37:27,503 --> 00:37:30,759
And then Rocks slide personality form, that's his

1083
00:37:30,759 --> 00:37:32,348
screen name. It I think his whole screen

1084
00:37:32,348 --> 00:37:33,063
names is, like,

1085
00:37:34,095 --> 00:37:35,604
but none of us can pronounce it. So

1086
00:37:35,604 --> 00:37:36,557
we just calling form.

1087
00:37:37,129 --> 00:37:39,364
He is a real person. He really is

1088
00:37:39,364 --> 00:37:40,721
even though we go by his screen name.

1089
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:41,758
He's a real person.

1090
00:37:42,237 --> 00:37:44,871
And he... Because he was involved in...

1091
00:37:45,923 --> 00:37:48,637
Coal operations with different government agencies over the

1092
00:37:48,637 --> 00:37:51,271
years. He shot thousands of animals. K. Now

1093
00:37:51,271 --> 00:37:53,106
a lot of people don't believe that, but

1094
00:37:53,106 --> 00:37:53,719
he has

1095
00:37:54,159 --> 00:37:57,452
and he also has this whole angle on

1096
00:37:57,670 --> 00:38:00,245
why shooting a small caliber is

1097
00:38:00,623 --> 00:38:02,872
better for big game. And so, you know,

1098
00:38:03,032 --> 00:38:04,707
I kinda that was just kinda noise on

1099
00:38:04,707 --> 00:38:06,461
the site for a couple of years, but

1100
00:38:06,461 --> 00:38:09,094
when they got my attention was when last

1101
00:38:09,094 --> 00:38:11,646
year. My business partner, c owner wide,

1102
00:38:12,299 --> 00:38:13,599
Ryan Avery,

1103
00:38:14,857 --> 00:38:16,535
put away the magnum. I mean, this guy

1104
00:38:16,535 --> 00:38:18,453
was shooting big magnum 03:38,

1105
00:38:18,853 --> 00:38:21,330
Edge hp, you know, that kind of stuff,

1106
00:38:22,538 --> 00:38:24,603
he put it away and he started hunting

1107
00:38:24,603 --> 00:38:27,169
with A6U.

1108
00:38:28,020 --> 00:38:28,179
That's...

1109
00:38:29,212 --> 00:38:32,119
I think Stands unknown munitions. That's just a

1110
00:38:32,579 --> 00:38:36,099
proprietary caliber. They they invented, you know, unknown

1111
00:38:36,099 --> 00:38:37,940
munitions, Northern Idaho, Rock light advertiser,

1112
00:38:39,059 --> 00:38:41,619
for Ryan's on their podcast all the time,

1113
00:38:42,175 --> 00:38:42,572
and,

1114
00:38:43,129 --> 00:38:46,706
the, he switched over to the 6 U,

1115
00:38:47,199 --> 00:38:49,911
think of like a 02:40 weather b mag.

1116
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:51,608
Alright? And

1117
00:38:52,225 --> 00:38:53,821
I mean, you guys, this is, like,

1118
00:38:54,792 --> 00:38:55,690
mind bending

1119
00:38:56,143 --> 00:38:57,438
for Ryan Avery,

1120
00:38:58,129 --> 00:39:00,354
the the longest confirmed kill on a big

1121
00:39:00,354 --> 00:39:02,420
game animal with anyone I personally know,

1122
00:39:04,027 --> 00:39:07,135
going from big rifles to little rifles. And

1123
00:39:07,135 --> 00:39:08,650
that's what he switched to last year, killed

1124
00:39:08,650 --> 00:39:10,244
a heck of a 6 point bull last

1125
00:39:10,244 --> 00:39:11,735
year with it. And

1126
00:39:12,095 --> 00:39:14,494
I was on the, unknown munitions podcast,

1127
00:39:14,894 --> 00:39:16,255
jump on there. I think it's back in,

1128
00:39:17,215 --> 00:39:19,055
I don't know, February. Be ready. It's rated

1129
00:39:19,055 --> 00:39:20,815
at r for language, but it's a good

1130
00:39:20,815 --> 00:39:21,295
podcast.

1131
00:39:21,708 --> 00:39:24,255
And Jake, who's Jake Shannon, the owner of

1132
00:39:24,255 --> 00:39:26,244
unknown munitions and then Ryan avery. They got

1133
00:39:26,244 --> 00:39:27,757
me in the studio, and we just kinda

1134
00:39:27,757 --> 00:39:29,667
banter back and forth on the big caliber

1135
00:39:29,667 --> 00:39:32,014
versus small caliber stuff. And

1136
00:39:32,793 --> 00:39:34,711
they won the argument, and I decided to

1137
00:39:34,711 --> 00:39:36,389
join the coat and go with small caliber.

1138
00:39:36,789 --> 00:39:38,946
And so I'm gonna be switching from my

1139
00:39:38,946 --> 00:39:41,358
2 70 Winchester Short Magnum, down to the

1140
00:39:41,358 --> 00:39:43,594
6 U un. I think Ryan's gonna have

1141
00:39:43,594 --> 00:39:45,270
me shooting a hundred and 7 grain bullet.

1142
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:47,266
It might be a little bit bigger than

1143
00:39:47,266 --> 00:39:48,863
that. I can't quite remember than a while

1144
00:39:48,863 --> 00:39:50,061
it did like guess. I don't have the

1145
00:39:50,061 --> 00:39:50,380
gun yet.

1146
00:39:51,110 --> 00:39:52,697
But it's gonna have the new rock stock.

1147
00:39:53,331 --> 00:39:55,711
It's gonna be in 6AM. I'm personally probably

1148
00:39:55,711 --> 00:39:57,297
just gonna still stay with a hash mark

1149
00:39:57,297 --> 00:39:59,462
scope. And probably go with the Sw z

1150
00:39:59,462 --> 00:40:01,874
5, the same scope I'm shooting on

1151
00:40:02,330 --> 00:40:05,694
my 2 70 Winchester Short, Magnum, And, but

1152
00:40:05,694 --> 00:40:07,855
the advantages of the small caliber less recoil,

1153
00:40:08,094 --> 00:40:08,894
spot your shots,

1154
00:40:10,174 --> 00:40:11,775
and, you know, recoil just I talked about

1155
00:40:11,775 --> 00:40:13,454
it in the bowl in in in Archer

1156
00:40:13,454 --> 00:40:16,255
tree segment. That recoil is is is an

1157
00:40:16,255 --> 00:40:18,003
accuracy killer. A lot of people don't believe

1158
00:40:18,003 --> 00:40:19,831
it is. But just in the last couple

1159
00:40:19,831 --> 00:40:21,103
of weeks, I've got a muzzle break for

1160
00:40:21,103 --> 00:40:22,851
my 2 70. I I hate muscle brakes.

1161
00:40:23,504 --> 00:40:25,182
For hunting, because I don't wanna wear your

1162
00:40:25,182 --> 00:40:26,780
ear protection. But I went to the range,

1163
00:40:27,100 --> 00:40:28,958
put my muzzle brake on my 2 70

1164
00:40:29,257 --> 00:40:31,255
and, just played with it for a little

1165
00:40:31,255 --> 00:40:33,651
while, And and, yeah, it it's sure nice

1166
00:40:33,810 --> 00:40:35,553
Not dealing with a lot of recoil and

1167
00:40:35,553 --> 00:40:37,613
having the opportunity to spot your shots. It

1168
00:40:37,613 --> 00:40:38,722
makes a big big difference.

1169
00:40:39,213 --> 00:40:41,679
And so anyways, that's my my plan on

1170
00:40:41,679 --> 00:40:44,541
the rifle now. Remember, going from a big

1171
00:40:44,541 --> 00:40:46,688
caliber to a small caliber is not totally

1172
00:40:46,688 --> 00:40:48,451
foreign to me. I did this back in

1173
00:40:48,451 --> 00:40:49,404
2015

1174
00:40:49,404 --> 00:40:50,674
for those of you that have got out

1175
00:40:50,674 --> 00:40:52,738
my second book honey Big Mule. And there's

1176
00:40:52,738 --> 00:40:54,802
a chapter in there. This says goodbye.

1177
00:40:55,453 --> 00:40:58,317
7 M Remington Magnum, Hello 2 70 Winchester

1178
00:40:58,476 --> 00:41:01,101
Shore Magnum. That was my first time dipping

1179
00:41:01,101 --> 00:41:03,748
my toe in the water, of moving from

1180
00:41:03,748 --> 00:41:04,946
AAA

1181
00:41:04,946 --> 00:41:05,446
big

1182
00:41:06,224 --> 00:41:08,701
heavy caliber to a smaller caliber. And the

1183
00:41:08,701 --> 00:41:09,954
reason I did that

1184
00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:12,618
I love a 7 my. You're never gonna

1185
00:41:12,618 --> 00:41:14,287
hear me dish on the 7 Mag. I

1186
00:41:14,287 --> 00:41:16,275
killed almost all my big deer. Well, like,

1187
00:41:16,434 --> 00:41:17,944
the last 6 I killed the 2 70

1188
00:41:18,182 --> 00:41:20,344
But prior to that the previous... 20 25,

1189
00:41:20,423 --> 00:41:21,934
it killed with a 7 mag,

1190
00:41:23,126 --> 00:41:23,523
and,

1191
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,385
very happy with it, but it was punishing.

1192
00:41:26,624 --> 00:41:28,134
It was okay when I was shooting 10

1193
00:41:28,134 --> 00:41:28,611
pound guns,

1194
00:41:29,182 --> 00:41:30,692
But over the years as I as started

1195
00:41:30,692 --> 00:41:32,996
as shooting wider guns and, you know, getting

1196
00:41:32,996 --> 00:41:35,061
down into the, you know, 7 pound gross

1197
00:41:35,061 --> 00:41:37,047
range, including a scope with a gun.

1198
00:41:37,697 --> 00:41:39,921
7 mag were punishing. And then plus over

1199
00:41:39,921 --> 00:41:41,510
the years, we've all gone to heavy for

1200
00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:43,654
caliber bullets because they they typically do shoot

1201
00:41:43,654 --> 00:41:45,322
better. And so, you know, back in the

1202
00:41:45,322 --> 00:41:47,561
old days, I was shooting 01:40 fives, spares,

1203
00:41:48,037 --> 00:41:49,967
while, you know, 1 01:50...

1204
00:41:51,135 --> 00:41:52,405
Oh, I can't remember the bullets I shooting

1205
00:41:52,405 --> 00:41:53,279
in the 01:50 range.

1206
00:41:54,232 --> 00:41:57,688
But, then then pretty soon I'm shooting 01:60

1207
00:41:57,747 --> 00:41:59,822
spares. And then before I got rid of

1208
00:41:59,822 --> 00:42:01,577
my myself and Mag shooting 1 68 barns.

1209
00:42:01,737 --> 00:42:03,972
You know? I mean, tac drivers. These these

1210
00:42:03,972 --> 00:42:06,454
heavy bullets are, but you put a 168

1211
00:42:06,454 --> 00:42:08,123
grain bullet in a 7 pound rifle,

1212
00:42:08,679 --> 00:42:11,620
you pay on the other end. And I

1213
00:42:11,620 --> 00:42:12,256
always thought,

1214
00:42:12,909 --> 00:42:15,382
I'm not that recoil sensitive, but once you

1215
00:42:15,382 --> 00:42:17,536
start shooting lighter guns, you realize you are

1216
00:42:17,536 --> 00:42:18,255
recoil sensitive.

1217
00:42:18,733 --> 00:42:20,582
And if you were to shave my... My

1218
00:42:20,582 --> 00:42:22,094
right eyebrow off. I think I've been to

1219
00:42:22,094 --> 00:42:24,082
the hospital twice for stitches at least once.

1220
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,809
I can't remember, but at least once. But

1221
00:42:27,757 --> 00:42:28,896
2 or 3

1222
00:42:29,273 --> 00:42:32,304
really bad scope bites over the years. And

1223
00:42:32,304 --> 00:42:34,298
even when you try to be careful and

1224
00:42:34,298 --> 00:42:35,574
get, you know, get a scope with good

1225
00:42:35,574 --> 00:42:37,741
eye relief, I've always done that, you get

1226
00:42:37,741 --> 00:42:40,682
into weird hunting positions. You're gonna get scoped

1227
00:42:40,682 --> 00:42:42,591
that with a big rival. I already told

1228
00:42:42,591 --> 00:42:44,976
you, I don't like muzzle brakes. I don't

1229
00:42:44,976 --> 00:42:46,426
like. A lot of times I'm shooting on

1230
00:42:46,426 --> 00:42:48,101
the ground. I don't like all that blast

1231
00:42:48,101 --> 00:42:49,617
into the dirt blowing back in my face.

1232
00:42:50,574 --> 00:42:52,408
I don't wanna have to mess with ear

1233
00:42:52,408 --> 00:42:53,764
protection in the heat of the moment. I

1234
00:42:53,764 --> 00:42:54,880
realize it's not that big of a deal,

1235
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,731
but You know, when you when when you

1236
00:42:56,731 --> 00:42:58,487
grow up shooting without them, it's it's hard

1237
00:42:58,487 --> 00:43:00,164
to jump over and start using muzzle brakes.

1238
00:43:00,483 --> 00:43:02,478
Plus as an outfit, you learn to hate

1239
00:43:02,478 --> 00:43:04,155
muzzle brakes because you get your ears blown

1240
00:43:04,155 --> 00:43:06,005
out. So often. You... Because you... You know,

1241
00:43:06,244 --> 00:43:08,158
you just don't remember to plug your ears

1242
00:43:08,158 --> 00:43:09,913
every single time. Boy, it does not take

1243
00:43:09,913 --> 00:43:12,385
much when somebody shooting a muzzle brake, to

1244
00:43:12,385 --> 00:43:13,502
get hurt. So,

1245
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:17,186
By go into the 2 70 which winchester

1246
00:43:17,265 --> 00:43:19,259
Short Magnum, that got me back down into

1247
00:43:19,259 --> 00:43:21,035
the hundred and 30 to hundred and 40

1248
00:43:22,848 --> 00:43:25,814
grain bullet range. And they impact, excuse me,

1249
00:43:25,893 --> 00:43:27,568
the recoil was notable. I think it was

1250
00:43:27,568 --> 00:43:28,627
about 24

1251
00:43:28,765 --> 00:43:31,556
to 26 foot pounds of recoil with 7

1252
00:43:31,556 --> 00:43:32,775
mag. The

1253
00:43:34,361 --> 00:43:36,188
2 70 Winchester short got me down in

1254
00:43:36,188 --> 00:43:38,038
the low twenties. You know, it dropped me

1255
00:43:38,094 --> 00:43:39,763
15 20 percent. It was noticeable. It really

1256
00:43:39,763 --> 00:43:40,875
was. It was... And made the gun a

1257
00:43:40,875 --> 00:43:41,828
little bit easier to shoot.

1258
00:43:42,559 --> 00:43:44,070
Although I still got scope at once. I've...

1259
00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:46,776
I've was shooting at a coyote and, got

1260
00:43:46,776 --> 00:43:49,004
my got my head too far forward and

1261
00:43:49,004 --> 00:43:49,561
still bit me.

1262
00:43:50,293 --> 00:43:51,489
Makes you so mad when you do that.

1263
00:43:51,728 --> 00:43:52,605
But anyway, so,

1264
00:43:53,562 --> 00:43:55,556
a long time ago, I started realizing the

1265
00:43:55,556 --> 00:43:57,788
man a big heavy magnum, especially for me.

1266
00:43:58,027 --> 00:43:59,558
That was your thing too. That time in

1267
00:43:59,558 --> 00:44:01,314
my life, I decided I'm only hunting mule.

1268
00:44:01,554 --> 00:44:02,831
You know, back when I first got a

1269
00:44:02,831 --> 00:44:04,747
7 meg, and I was hunting everything, and,

1270
00:44:04,827 --> 00:44:05,945
you know, I just thought, I gotta have

1271
00:44:05,945 --> 00:44:08,100
a bigger gun for Elk. Although be ready.

1272
00:44:08,673 --> 00:44:10,047
Form and Chris or making

1273
00:44:10,739 --> 00:44:12,726
excellent cases that you don't need those big

1274
00:44:12,726 --> 00:44:14,952
punishing caliber for those big animals either. So,

1275
00:44:15,587 --> 00:44:16,859
anyways, I know I know some of you

1276
00:44:16,859 --> 00:44:18,701
are, like, This is a bunch of bull

1277
00:44:18,701 --> 00:44:21,242
crap. I'm un unsubscribe from this podcast. I'm

1278
00:44:21,242 --> 00:44:23,148
never gonna come back. Robby joined a nicole.

1279
00:44:23,307 --> 00:44:25,213
You're right. I have. But I'm gonna give

1280
00:44:25,213 --> 00:44:26,881
it a shot this year with with the

1281
00:44:26,881 --> 00:44:27,534
sixth. Qm.

1282
00:44:28,255 --> 00:44:30,094
The only thing that's something the air is,

1283
00:44:30,574 --> 00:44:32,335
there's a big rush on rock stocks, and

1284
00:44:32,335 --> 00:44:34,175
my gun may not be done in time

1285
00:44:34,175 --> 00:44:36,584
for Hunting season Ryan, and Jake are trying

1286
00:44:36,584 --> 00:44:38,101
to get all the members guns out the

1287
00:44:38,101 --> 00:44:40,494
bought before me and all that stuff. So,

1288
00:44:40,814 --> 00:44:42,490
you know, mine's mine may not make it

1289
00:44:42,490 --> 00:44:44,416
in time for hunting season if it doesn't.

1290
00:44:44,735 --> 00:44:46,487
I'll just run the 2 70 Winchester short

1291
00:44:46,567 --> 00:44:48,955
Mag. That's in a Christian sun arm,

1292
00:44:49,672 --> 00:44:52,792
summit tie. That's a 7 pulling 7 pound,

1293
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:55,259
10 ounce gun, I think, 12 ounce, shooting

1294
00:44:55,259 --> 00:44:57,567
the sw z 5. I'm totally comfortable going

1295
00:44:57,567 --> 00:44:58,840
back to that I killed 6 big bucks

1296
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,034
with it I killed every single big buck

1297
00:45:00,114 --> 00:45:02,036
I pointed at, no wounding loss with that

1298
00:45:02,036 --> 00:45:03,862
gun. Feel too with it. I'm very happy

1299
00:45:03,862 --> 00:45:07,118
with it. But if I get the the

1300
00:45:07,118 --> 00:45:09,358
the 6 With the rock stock, you know,

1301
00:45:09,597 --> 00:45:11,031
before it gets too late in summer because

1302
00:45:11,111 --> 00:45:12,067
I wanna spend, you know a lot of

1303
00:45:12,067 --> 00:45:13,900
range time with it. That's what I'll be

1304
00:45:13,900 --> 00:45:15,573
on with. Okay. Optics.

1305
00:45:16,544 --> 00:45:17,997
For my scouting, Chest,

1306
00:45:18,370 --> 00:45:20,356
I will be running again, the Z 10

1307
00:45:20,356 --> 00:45:21,943
by 40 2SF.

1308
00:45:22,261 --> 00:45:23,396
It's tripod

1309
00:45:23,770 --> 00:45:27,312
adaptable. For it's it's it's a small framed.

1310
00:45:28,328 --> 00:45:30,162
I wouldn't quite call it a contact although

1311
00:45:30,162 --> 00:45:32,554
we throw that that that around, you know,

1312
00:45:32,713 --> 00:45:33,990
contact to me as the old ones you...

1313
00:45:34,244 --> 00:45:35,758
Sticking your shirt pocket. It's nothing like that.

1314
00:45:35,918 --> 00:45:38,469
But in it's it's smaller than a lot

1315
00:45:38,469 --> 00:45:40,541
of these would become accustomed to, you know,

1316
00:45:40,701 --> 00:45:42,158
the standard sized chest

1317
00:45:42,789 --> 00:45:45,197
and I really like Having that tripod adaptability.

1318
00:45:45,652 --> 00:45:47,720
And I don't mind tens for scouting because

1319
00:45:47,720 --> 00:45:48,914
a lot of times I have time to

1320
00:45:48,914 --> 00:45:50,996
sit down. You know, I'm not still hunting

1321
00:45:50,996 --> 00:45:51,894
like I am

1322
00:45:52,427 --> 00:45:54,972
in in the fall. So I'm comfortable running

1323
00:45:54,972 --> 00:45:56,722
the tens. But once I move into fall,

1324
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,803
I'm gonna be running my... Swirl 8 by

1325
00:45:58,803 --> 00:46:01,978
42 El range. That's the ta a's tracking

1326
00:46:01,978 --> 00:46:03,646
assistant that came out about 3 years ago.

1327
00:46:04,281 --> 00:46:05,075
And and by the way,

1328
00:46:06,122 --> 00:46:07,713
on all these products that I'm mentioning,

1329
00:46:08,348 --> 00:46:11,290
unless I say so, they are advertising on

1330
00:46:11,290 --> 00:46:12,722
rock slide in somewhere way or the other.

1331
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,311
That that means I could have got a

1332
00:46:14,311 --> 00:46:15,107
discount on the gear,

1333
00:46:15,759 --> 00:46:17,674
comp or, you know, some of some of

1334
00:46:17,674 --> 00:46:19,829
this gear I bought just full price. I

1335
00:46:19,829 --> 00:46:21,106
don't keep track of it all. But I'm

1336
00:46:21,106 --> 00:46:23,262
just letting you know the full disclosure, some

1337
00:46:23,262 --> 00:46:24,081
of these companies

1338
00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:26,298
advertise on Rock lite. If they don't, I'll

1339
00:46:26,298 --> 00:46:27,568
let you know. Because I do use lots

1340
00:46:27,568 --> 00:46:28,307
of non

1341
00:46:28,839 --> 00:46:31,380
non advertiser gear on there. But z is

1342
00:46:31,380 --> 00:46:33,230
a sponsor, but I paid

1343
00:46:33,619 --> 00:46:35,693
for the 10 by 40 twos with my

1344
00:46:35,693 --> 00:46:37,607
own money. I got a writer's discount probably,

1345
00:46:37,766 --> 00:46:39,442
like, 30 percent off or something like that.

1346
00:46:39,761 --> 00:46:42,632
The swirl 8 by 42 range Ta. I

1347
00:46:42,632 --> 00:46:43,485
traded them

1348
00:46:43,922 --> 00:46:45,910
for them back in, oh, I think they

1349
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:48,454
came out in 20 21, 20 22,

1350
00:46:48,931 --> 00:46:49,408
and

1351
00:46:49,965 --> 00:46:51,634
I love them. I'm still shooting them 3

1352
00:46:51,634 --> 00:46:52,986
or around them 3 years later.

1353
00:46:53,638 --> 00:46:54,777
There is a,

1354
00:46:55,633 --> 00:46:57,867
review on those on our rock slide,

1355
00:46:58,505 --> 00:47:00,021
Youtube channel. If you wanna go look and

1356
00:47:00,021 --> 00:47:02,902
see how that Ta technology works. It's basically,

1357
00:47:02,982 --> 00:47:04,812
you could shoot a Pin across Canyon. If

1358
00:47:04,812 --> 00:47:05,926
you're shot a deer over there and you

1359
00:47:05,926 --> 00:47:08,074
could walk right to that pin. As long

1360
00:47:08,074 --> 00:47:09,825
as you keep your back, Bin calibrated,

1361
00:47:10,159 --> 00:47:12,705
that does work. I realize that technology has

1362
00:47:12,705 --> 00:47:14,854
been duplicated in some of the satellite mapping

1363
00:47:14,854 --> 00:47:16,525
apps and everything. But it sure is nice

1364
00:47:16,525 --> 00:47:17,695
to have it on your chest

1365
00:47:18,534 --> 00:47:20,451
if needed. Even though you don't use it

1366
00:47:20,451 --> 00:47:22,448
a whole lot. It's not a gimmick. It

1367
00:47:22,448 --> 00:47:23,726
does work. You just don't use it a

1368
00:47:23,726 --> 00:47:26,215
whole lot. As far as spotting scope this

1369
00:47:26,215 --> 00:47:29,246
year. I'm gonna be running the sw 17

1370
00:47:29,246 --> 00:47:31,399
to 40 by 56. But last year, I

1371
00:47:31,399 --> 00:47:34,052
ran in the Atc, which is the angled

1372
00:47:34,445 --> 00:47:37,244
this year, I've switched everything over to the

1373
00:47:37,244 --> 00:47:39,405
straight. If you haven't followed the podcast very

1374
00:47:39,405 --> 00:47:41,724
long, this is why. When I hunt with

1375
00:47:41,885 --> 00:47:44,398
Travis Hobbs, he's goes straight on everything

1376
00:47:45,014 --> 00:47:47,485
because it's faster. And I knew that before,

1377
00:47:47,724 --> 00:47:49,478
I just like the angled, you know, neck

1378
00:47:49,478 --> 00:47:51,472
comfort stuff like that. I got used to

1379
00:47:51,472 --> 00:47:51,972
finding

1380
00:47:52,284 --> 00:47:52,784
animals

1381
00:47:53,161 --> 00:47:54,916
at the angle didn't think it took that

1382
00:47:54,916 --> 00:47:57,628
much longer. But once I hunted with Travis,

1383
00:47:58,186 --> 00:48:00,260
he sees double the game that I see.

1384
00:48:00,499 --> 00:48:02,429
We can go out on a hunt, and

1385
00:48:02,429 --> 00:48:04,427
he'll see twice the deer that I see.

1386
00:48:05,066 --> 00:48:07,703
And he usually is picking the ones up

1387
00:48:07,703 --> 00:48:09,701
that are more obscure that than I am.

1388
00:48:10,994 --> 00:48:12,349
2 things I think that are going on.

1389
00:48:12,588 --> 00:48:14,103
My eyes are 20 years older than him.

1390
00:48:14,582 --> 00:48:15,858
Not a lot I can do about that.

1391
00:48:16,256 --> 00:48:18,351
But part of it is he is so

1392
00:48:18,489 --> 00:48:21,876
fast on the glass. And having a straight

1393
00:48:22,094 --> 00:48:25,708
spotter makes you fast. This is why. Angled

1394
00:48:26,085 --> 00:48:29,373
means you're changing your tripod height. When you're

1395
00:48:29,373 --> 00:48:30,991
going from your bin

1396
00:48:32,327 --> 00:48:35,999
to your spotter. And I always have the

1397
00:48:35,999 --> 00:48:37,915
option to put my bin on a tripod,

1398
00:48:38,249 --> 00:48:40,482
even my 8 by 42 El ranges, I

1399
00:48:40,482 --> 00:48:41,940
have the outdoors 1 stud

1400
00:48:42,317 --> 00:48:43,593
installed in so I can run them on

1401
00:48:43,593 --> 00:48:44,151
a tripod.

1402
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:47,342
So you're always switching between the 2 when

1403
00:48:47,342 --> 00:48:49,824
you're doing that. Well, that takes a few

1404
00:48:49,824 --> 00:48:51,813
extra seconds to raise and lower your tripod.

1405
00:48:52,210 --> 00:48:54,677
And in the game of big mule deer,

1406
00:48:55,169 --> 00:48:57,564
and in the twilight. They don't spend a

1407
00:48:57,564 --> 00:48:59,581
lot of time in the open. And

1408
00:49:00,438 --> 00:49:02,273
I knew this before I started home with

1409
00:49:02,353 --> 00:49:03,391
Travis, but I think I just...

1410
00:49:04,124 --> 00:49:06,676
It wasn't so apparent to me that those

1411
00:49:06,676 --> 00:49:08,692
critical seconds that I'm losing

1412
00:49:09,228 --> 00:49:10,287
adjusting the tripod

1413
00:49:10,824 --> 00:49:13,536
are costing me a buck every couple years.

1414
00:49:14,347 --> 00:49:15,781
And when I say cost you about, maybe

1415
00:49:15,781 --> 00:49:16,816
it's not so much that you didn't get

1416
00:49:16,816 --> 00:49:18,488
the book. But if you listen to Travis

1417
00:49:18,648 --> 00:49:20,979
Dion podcast that came out lost last week

1418
00:49:21,036 --> 00:49:22,390
excellent podcast by the way, guys.

1419
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,905
They they took Travis talks about sitting on

1420
00:49:25,905 --> 00:49:27,416
a buck for 3 days that he thought

1421
00:49:27,416 --> 00:49:28,688
was big. I only got to look at

1422
00:49:28,688 --> 00:49:30,278
it for a few seconds when went in

1423
00:49:30,278 --> 00:49:31,570
the timber. And

1424
00:49:32,130 --> 00:49:33,329
and so he sat on it for 3

1425
00:49:33,329 --> 00:49:34,369
days, trying to get in another look at

1426
00:49:34,369 --> 00:49:36,530
it. And then when he ended finding it,

1427
00:49:36,690 --> 00:49:38,050
it didn't turn out to be a shooter.

1428
00:49:39,502 --> 00:49:42,614
That cost him 3 days right there. And

1429
00:49:42,614 --> 00:49:44,690
that's happened to me before. It's also happened

1430
00:49:44,690 --> 00:49:46,046
to me when a deer just gets in

1431
00:49:46,046 --> 00:49:47,894
the timber. I can tell by the body

1432
00:49:47,894 --> 00:49:49,168
size it's big, and I don't get to

1433
00:49:49,168 --> 00:49:51,318
look at his handlers, and you just never

1434
00:49:51,318 --> 00:49:52,910
know what you missed. And and sometimes Even

1435
00:49:52,910 --> 00:49:54,025
if you stick around for 3 days, you

1436
00:49:54,025 --> 00:49:55,474
don't get a look at them. So So

1437
00:49:55,474 --> 00:49:57,946
it cost you it cost you animals in

1438
00:49:57,946 --> 00:49:59,621
that way. So you really gotta pay attention

1439
00:49:59,621 --> 00:50:00,259
to it. K?

1440
00:50:02,812 --> 00:50:04,987
Qr r, got quick release plates

1441
00:50:05,458 --> 00:50:05,958
are

1442
00:50:06,332 --> 00:50:08,161
for real. You gotta have them. We'll talk

1443
00:50:08,161 --> 00:50:09,513
a little bit more about that when get

1444
00:50:09,513 --> 00:50:10,308
into tripod pods here.

1445
00:50:11,421 --> 00:50:13,090
So about back to the spotter,

1446
00:50:13,821 --> 00:50:15,330
for for this year, I'm gonna run the

1447
00:50:15,330 --> 00:50:17,395
17 to 40 sw by 56.

1448
00:50:18,268 --> 00:50:19,857
Their their their their compact spotter.

1449
00:50:20,492 --> 00:50:21,445
But I got it in straight.

1450
00:50:22,098 --> 00:50:23,692
C's for sale, watch it in the rock

1451
00:50:23,692 --> 00:50:26,402
slide class it's in there, are gonna be

1452
00:50:26,402 --> 00:50:29,751
in there and then I switched my sw.

1453
00:50:30,804 --> 00:50:32,422
Ats my 80 millimeter,

1454
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,117
I switched it also to a straight. So

1455
00:50:35,197 --> 00:50:37,035
I'll have the big spotter for big work.

1456
00:50:38,328 --> 00:50:40,405
And then the little spotter, it's always with

1457
00:50:40,405 --> 00:50:41,684
me is the great thing about the little

1458
00:50:41,684 --> 00:50:43,841
spotter, The big spotter. I have to kinda

1459
00:50:43,841 --> 00:50:45,200
have to plan to take that. Like, hey.

1460
00:50:45,359 --> 00:50:46,730
This certain area I'm going to. I can

1461
00:50:46,730 --> 00:50:48,005
see 2 miles or more I want the

1462
00:50:48,005 --> 00:50:48,483
big spotter.

1463
00:50:49,598 --> 00:50:51,750
But the little spotter, it's almost always with

1464
00:50:51,750 --> 00:50:53,239
me. That's what I like about in a

1465
00:50:53,359 --> 00:50:54,635
for those of you that have followed my

1466
00:50:54,635 --> 00:50:56,310
optics for a while. I was for a

1467
00:50:56,310 --> 00:50:57,825
compact spot running the Nike,

1468
00:50:58,623 --> 00:51:00,935
the Nikon Ed d 50. I've had a

1469
00:51:00,935 --> 00:51:02,371
few people asked me hey what happened to

1470
00:51:02,371 --> 00:51:04,876
that? Thanks. And And III forgot about it

1471
00:51:05,012 --> 00:51:06,762
because I was so excited about the swirl

1472
00:51:06,762 --> 00:51:08,831
when it came out last year. And I

1473
00:51:08,831 --> 00:51:10,581
just quit using the Nikon icon. Sorry an

1474
00:51:10,581 --> 00:51:12,349
icon. That was a great You know scope

1475
00:51:12,349 --> 00:51:14,586
for the weight. It's actually still lighter than

1476
00:51:14,586 --> 00:51:15,065
the swirl.

1477
00:51:16,504 --> 00:51:18,501
Noticeably lighter, even a little bit more compact,

1478
00:51:18,981 --> 00:51:19,481
but

1479
00:51:19,794 --> 00:51:22,591
the sw optical performance was so much better,

1480
00:51:22,991 --> 00:51:25,788
especially in the digit scoping department. I I

1481
00:51:25,788 --> 00:51:27,865
finally left my an icon. That'll be on

1482
00:51:27,865 --> 00:51:28,425
the rock slide.

1483
00:51:29,394 --> 00:51:31,694
Classified as well. Watch for it. Good little

1484
00:51:31,694 --> 00:51:32,884
scope, a lot of value,

1485
00:51:33,439 --> 00:51:33,914
but

1486
00:51:34,311 --> 00:51:35,738
the this world will beat it enough that

1487
00:51:35,738 --> 00:51:36,610
that's what I went with it.

1488
00:51:38,614 --> 00:51:41,638
You pursue them. You cherish them, and now

1489
00:51:41,638 --> 00:51:44,519
it's time to protect them this. Is the

1490
00:51:44,599 --> 00:51:45,079
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1491
00:51:45,639 --> 00:51:48,760
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1492
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:50,940
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1493
00:51:51,573 --> 00:51:53,871
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1494
00:51:54,822 --> 00:51:57,358
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1495
00:51:57,358 --> 00:52:00,473
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1496
00:52:00,473 --> 00:52:00,871
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1497
00:52:01,588 --> 00:52:03,522
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1498
00:52:03,899 --> 00:52:04,695
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1499
00:52:05,412 --> 00:52:08,694
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1500
00:52:08,694 --> 00:52:10,770
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1501
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1502
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1503
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1510
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1511
00:52:29,844 --> 00:52:32,731
Let's see. On the tripod pods, I'm still

1512
00:52:32,788 --> 00:52:36,210
using my faithful slick 06:24. I know if

1513
00:52:36,210 --> 00:52:38,216
travis is this this podcast. He's like,

1514
00:52:39,492 --> 00:52:41,485
man. He hates that tripod potty. He saw

1515
00:52:41,485 --> 00:52:42,760
me using in a couple years. He bought

1516
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,594
it. They're a slick little tripod,

1517
00:52:44,993 --> 00:52:47,262
but he's just I mean, he's got the

1518
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,632
hands. He can't run the twist locks. You

1519
00:52:49,632 --> 00:52:51,306
know, he just couldn't get used to it.

1520
00:52:51,465 --> 00:52:53,299
He just he just didn't like it. But

1521
00:52:53,299 --> 00:52:53,857
here I am.

1522
00:52:54,748 --> 00:52:56,888
5, 6 years later. I could use any

1523
00:52:56,888 --> 00:52:59,265
tripod on the market in a compact tripod.

1524
00:52:59,424 --> 00:53:01,484
I still think the Slick 06:24,

1525
00:53:02,294 --> 00:53:03,012
Wednesday the day.

1526
00:53:03,731 --> 00:53:05,407
I like twist locks because I can pull

1527
00:53:05,407 --> 00:53:07,563
it out of my pack easily compared to

1528
00:53:07,563 --> 00:53:10,117
the lever locks. They're, like little hooks on

1529
00:53:10,117 --> 00:53:12,445
your tripod. So when you pull your tripod

1530
00:53:12,445 --> 00:53:13,956
out of your pack, everything comes with it,

1531
00:53:14,115 --> 00:53:16,502
your coat and, your glass pad, you know,

1532
00:53:16,581 --> 00:53:17,456
all that stuff comes out.

1533
00:53:18,982 --> 00:53:20,334
Travis so that wasn't that big of the

1534
00:53:20,334 --> 00:53:22,321
deal. So he's still running lever locks. It's

1535
00:53:22,321 --> 00:53:24,388
okay, man. I still love you. But I'm

1536
00:53:24,388 --> 00:53:25,501
still gonna run that slick,

1537
00:53:26,137 --> 00:53:27,591
for this year. However,

1538
00:53:27,965 --> 00:53:29,992
yeah. The mountain hunter,

1539
00:53:31,003 --> 00:53:33,310
from altitude outdoors. These are the guys that

1540
00:53:33,310 --> 00:53:34,764
are in Aft Wyoming,

1541
00:53:35,553 --> 00:53:36,271
Brad Carter.

1542
00:53:37,068 --> 00:53:38,844
They've released their own proprietary

1543
00:53:39,939 --> 00:53:40,417
tripod.

1544
00:53:41,215 --> 00:53:42,809
I think it came out this spring. It

1545
00:53:42,809 --> 00:53:45,138
may not be on this site just let

1546
00:53:45,138 --> 00:53:47,213
me pull up here. Yes. He did answer

1547
00:53:47,213 --> 00:53:49,528
me. This this tripod is available. I'll give

1548
00:53:49,528 --> 00:53:50,965
you how to find it just a minute.

1549
00:53:51,204 --> 00:53:52,482
Let me back up on the slick. By

1550
00:53:52,482 --> 00:53:55,203
the way, the Slick is only available through

1551
00:53:55,282 --> 00:53:57,189
Sn sr tree or rock site advertiser.

1552
00:53:57,904 --> 00:54:00,685
They they have they have exclusive rights on

1553
00:54:00,685 --> 00:54:02,849
that tripod. A lot of other place a

1554
00:54:02,849 --> 00:54:05,010
cell slick. They just don't sell that little

1555
00:54:05,010 --> 00:54:05,090
1.

1556
00:54:06,050 --> 00:54:07,809
But the mountain hunter back to the mountain

1557
00:54:07,809 --> 00:54:09,730
hunter, it's designed to compete with the slick,

1558
00:54:10,050 --> 00:54:11,250
other compact tripod pods.

1559
00:54:12,298 --> 00:54:14,998
And I got mine, I believe in March,

1560
00:54:15,554 --> 00:54:17,697
and I've had it out probably about 3

1561
00:54:17,697 --> 00:54:18,967
or 4 times.

1562
00:54:19,936 --> 00:54:22,164
Glass side by side with the slick,

1563
00:54:23,278 --> 00:54:24,494
and I

1564
00:54:24,870 --> 00:54:26,064
this... I can tell you this about it.

1565
00:54:26,302 --> 00:54:28,569
K? It's it's a lightweight

1566
00:54:29,105 --> 00:54:29,605
tripod.

1567
00:54:30,221 --> 00:54:30,721
And

1568
00:54:31,256 --> 00:54:33,328
it's a very simple tripod. Both these are

1569
00:54:33,328 --> 00:54:34,523
carbon fiber tripod,

1570
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:35,660
and

1571
00:54:36,925 --> 00:54:39,065
It comes with its own head, so backing

1572
00:54:39,065 --> 00:54:41,443
up to the slick. On the slick, I'm

1573
00:54:41,443 --> 00:54:44,792
running the outdoors pam head. Okay. That's a

1574
00:54:44,792 --> 00:54:46,626
good match for that. I've had a bt

1575
00:54:46,626 --> 00:54:48,459
t... Even a Bt x on on on

1576
00:54:48,459 --> 00:54:50,771
the slick. It's not ideal, but it can

1577
00:54:50,771 --> 00:54:52,366
handle it with that outdoors and pan head.

1578
00:54:52,939 --> 00:54:56,550
The mountain hunter from from, from altitude outdoors

1579
00:54:56,928 --> 00:54:59,880
comes with their nano pro fluid head.

1580
00:55:00,611 --> 00:55:01,111
And

1581
00:55:01,563 --> 00:55:03,809
they... Their their tripod is called the Mountain

1582
00:55:04,102 --> 00:55:06,324
Hunter Shore stack. Mountain Hunter Ss.

1583
00:55:07,434 --> 00:55:07,989
And so...

1584
00:55:09,197 --> 00:55:10,950
I'm not gonna give you the the the

1585
00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:12,862
the breakdown of every piece, but when you

1586
00:55:12,862 --> 00:55:14,057
put them all together,

1587
00:55:15,092 --> 00:55:15,592
the

1588
00:55:16,536 --> 00:55:19,309
Slick he twist locks, the mountain Hunter has

1589
00:55:19,309 --> 00:55:20,340
twist locks. K?

1590
00:55:21,053 --> 00:55:22,637
They both stand,

1591
00:55:23,128 --> 00:55:24,874
to roughly 45

1592
00:55:24,874 --> 00:55:26,938
inches. So they're not they're not standing tripod

1593
00:55:26,938 --> 00:55:29,160
pods. They're not for standing glass unless you

1594
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:30,485
can put a hump in front of you

1595
00:55:30,684 --> 00:55:33,309
K? But they're they're great for sitting, you

1596
00:55:33,309 --> 00:55:35,299
know, sitting on a log. They're they're right

1597
00:55:35,299 --> 00:55:36,492
in that kind of what you expect on

1598
00:55:36,492 --> 00:55:37,527
a compact tripod.

1599
00:55:38,402 --> 00:55:39,277
The slick.

1600
00:55:40,009 --> 00:55:42,713
Is 8 ounces heavier legs only,

1601
00:55:43,747 --> 00:55:44,782
than the mountain hunter.

1602
00:55:45,418 --> 00:55:48,384
K? So the slick is actually heavier

1603
00:55:48,774 --> 00:55:50,682
in the legs, the mountain hunter is lighter,

1604
00:55:50,921 --> 00:55:51,160
k?

1605
00:55:52,273 --> 00:55:53,489
If you

1606
00:55:55,932 --> 00:55:56,830
compare their height

1607
00:55:57,778 --> 00:56:00,011
when they're broke down, the legs are slid

1608
00:56:00,011 --> 00:56:00,250
together.

1609
00:56:01,048 --> 00:56:03,121
This matters to me, maybe it doesn't matter

1610
00:56:03,121 --> 00:56:04,557
of very many people, but I run a

1611
00:56:04,557 --> 00:56:06,630
small day pack. Or I don't like big

1612
00:56:06,630 --> 00:56:08,721
stuff. I'm in the back country. So I

1613
00:56:08,721 --> 00:56:10,078
wrote a small day pack, we'll talk about

1614
00:56:10,078 --> 00:56:10,637
it here in a minute.

1615
00:56:11,356 --> 00:56:12,574
And the

1616
00:56:13,032 --> 00:56:13,351
slick,

1617
00:56:13,990 --> 00:56:16,726
when it's collapsed is 4 inches shorter

1618
00:56:17,199 --> 00:56:19,594
than the mountain hunter. K? Think comes out,

1619
00:56:19,673 --> 00:56:21,270
like, 24 inches something like that.

1620
00:56:23,426 --> 00:56:25,342
So it's 4 inches shorter, so it'll fit

1621
00:56:25,342 --> 00:56:28,394
in a smaller pack. Alright? If that doesn't

1622
00:56:28,394 --> 00:56:30,155
matter you run a full size backpack,

1623
00:56:30,635 --> 00:56:32,875
then the the slick wouldn't be an advantage.

1624
00:56:33,355 --> 00:56:35,528
Because the mountain hunter only has... 2 sections,

1625
00:56:35,688 --> 00:56:36,964
the slick has 3.

1626
00:56:37,842 --> 00:56:39,359
So the trade off on that is on

1627
00:56:39,359 --> 00:56:41,434
the mountain hunter. You only have to take

1628
00:56:41,434 --> 00:56:43,030
the time to adjust 2 sections.

1629
00:56:43,923 --> 00:56:44,721
With the slick,

1630
00:56:45,359 --> 00:56:46,796
you have to take the time to adjust

1631
00:56:46,796 --> 00:56:47,115
3,

1632
00:56:47,913 --> 00:56:51,079
but it gives you a more compact type

1633
00:56:51,199 --> 00:56:53,182
that that doesn't really matter once it's out

1634
00:56:53,182 --> 00:56:54,293
of your pack. Okay?

1635
00:56:55,562 --> 00:56:56,990
So the slick is 8 ounces heavier in

1636
00:56:56,990 --> 00:56:57,387
the legs,

1637
00:56:58,418 --> 00:57:01,139
the mountain hunter comes with that nano pro

1638
00:57:01,139 --> 00:57:03,691
fluid head. It is a nice head. Okay?

1639
00:57:05,685 --> 00:57:06,185
And

1640
00:57:06,881 --> 00:57:08,556
I I weighed everything out. Let's see if

1641
00:57:08,635 --> 00:57:09,765
I can read my notes here.

1642
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,501
The mountain Hunter head is 10.7

1643
00:57:13,501 --> 00:57:13,819
ounces.

1644
00:57:15,012 --> 00:57:18,371
The outdoors head is 17.6

1645
00:57:18,371 --> 00:57:20,684
ounces. So, man, that's A67

1646
00:57:20,684 --> 00:57:22,679
ounce... 7 ounce difference in there. Almost 7

1647
00:57:22,679 --> 00:57:24,057
ounce difference. It's noticeable.

1648
00:57:25,642 --> 00:57:27,551
The Nano Pro, I haven't totally bitten off

1649
00:57:27,551 --> 00:57:29,301
on it only because this is what I've

1650
00:57:29,301 --> 00:57:30,813
only had it out for times. Keep in

1651
00:57:30,813 --> 00:57:33,612
mind. My... Outdoors pan head. I mean it's

1652
00:57:33,612 --> 00:57:34,806
got... I think I got the thing in

1653
00:57:34,806 --> 00:57:35,443
2018.

1654
00:57:35,682 --> 00:57:37,831
Hundreds of days it's got on. So, you

1655
00:57:37,831 --> 00:57:40,059
know, I can comment on durability. It's function

1656
00:57:40,059 --> 00:57:40,797
and everything

1657
00:57:41,108 --> 00:57:42,458
all I can call in on the mountain

1658
00:57:42,458 --> 00:57:43,967
hunter on the nano head is it's is

1659
00:57:43,967 --> 00:57:45,793
its function and and it's great. It's an

1660
00:57:45,793 --> 00:57:47,166
our Arc swiss plate

1661
00:57:48,016 --> 00:57:50,001
where the mountain excuse me the...

1662
00:57:50,652 --> 00:57:53,594
Outdoors is their proprietary quick release.

1663
00:57:54,627 --> 00:57:56,932
So, you know, you... Whatever you go with,

1664
00:57:57,171 --> 00:57:58,840
you just want your whole system to match

1665
00:57:58,840 --> 00:57:58,920
that.

1666
00:57:59,889 --> 00:58:01,025
You know, if you don't want,

1667
00:58:01,719 --> 00:58:03,947
to to mix Qr plates. Trust. Don't ask

1668
00:58:03,947 --> 00:58:05,380
me how I know. You just don't wanna

1669
00:58:05,380 --> 00:58:06,891
do. It's very inefficient. K?

1670
00:58:08,263 --> 00:58:09,642
So I'll be running

1671
00:58:10,021 --> 00:58:12,019
the slick and the mountain hunter this year.

1672
00:58:12,259 --> 00:58:13,697
Depend on what I'm doing. I I envision

1673
00:58:13,777 --> 00:58:15,535
I'll be running the mountain hunter during scouting

1674
00:58:15,535 --> 00:58:15,775
season.

1675
00:58:16,507 --> 00:58:18,261
But when I go to the hunting season,

1676
00:58:18,420 --> 00:58:19,696
and I'm using my day back all the

1677
00:58:19,696 --> 00:58:21,130
time. I'm sure it'll be the slick.

1678
00:58:22,724 --> 00:58:23,601
Talking about Qr,

1679
00:58:24,494 --> 00:58:26,492
a quick release game. It is real. And

1680
00:58:26,651 --> 00:58:28,409
I talked about like Travis is better a

1681
00:58:28,409 --> 00:58:29,528
spotting game than me and that's 1 of

1682
00:58:29,528 --> 00:58:31,126
the things he has as he been faster.

1683
00:58:31,526 --> 00:58:32,425
And the Qr

1684
00:58:33,139 --> 00:58:35,374
plates. If you're not running a Qr, manual

1685
00:58:35,374 --> 00:58:36,492
or so 19 nineties,

1686
00:58:37,210 --> 00:58:39,286
you gotta... Whatever system you run, you gotta

1687
00:58:39,286 --> 00:58:41,681
have a Qr plate. And it just allows

1688
00:58:41,681 --> 00:58:43,946
you, to switch between bin marketers

1689
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:44,900
and

1690
00:58:45,273 --> 00:58:48,373
spotting scope quickly or just get your spotting

1691
00:58:48,373 --> 00:58:49,883
scope out and get it on the tripod

1692
00:58:49,883 --> 00:58:52,282
that much quicker. K? Most people are using

1693
00:58:52,282 --> 00:58:53,871
them, but where I see guys get lazy

1694
00:58:53,871 --> 00:58:55,460
is they have 1 type of Qr played

1695
00:58:55,460 --> 00:58:57,923
on 1 optic, 1 type of Qr receiver

1696
00:58:57,923 --> 00:58:59,376
on a on a tripod.

1697
00:59:00,005 --> 00:59:01,922
Know, every time they go somewhere, they're getting

1698
00:59:01,922 --> 00:59:03,759
out the Allen wrench. Don't ask me how

1699
00:59:03,839 --> 00:59:04,079
I know.

1700
00:59:04,957 --> 00:59:07,368
And taken all this time, you to make

1701
00:59:07,368 --> 00:59:08,802
all these switches or worse yet. They just

1702
00:59:08,802 --> 00:59:10,317
get out on the mountain and go, my

1703
00:59:10,317 --> 00:59:11,056
my bin

1704
00:59:11,512 --> 00:59:13,106
Qr doesn't fit my my,

1705
00:59:15,034 --> 00:59:17,514
spotter Qr. So the Qr game will save

1706
00:59:17,514 --> 00:59:18,255
you critical

1707
00:59:18,634 --> 00:59:21,434
seconds, whatever you decide to do, make sure

1708
00:59:21,434 --> 00:59:23,514
everything's the same across all optics and all

1709
00:59:23,514 --> 00:59:25,686
tripod pods. K? But on the Mountain Hunter,

1710
00:59:25,925 --> 00:59:27,680
I've gotta go with with the Arc, and

1711
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:29,594
that's why I... I'll probably run it a

1712
00:59:29,594 --> 00:59:31,987
little bit more this summer, but unless I

1713
00:59:31,987 --> 00:59:33,503
really fall in love with. I'll be switching

1714
00:59:33,503 --> 00:59:35,193
back to the outdoors in default. Now, I

1715
00:59:35,193 --> 00:59:36,552
guess there's probably a way to stick the

1716
00:59:36,552 --> 00:59:39,669
outdoors when Qr plate on the our Arc

1717
00:59:39,669 --> 00:59:39,909
swiss.

1718
00:59:40,548 --> 00:59:41,507
I don't know. I don't have it in

1719
00:59:41,507 --> 00:59:44,795
front of me. But you know, IIII

1720
00:59:44,795 --> 00:59:46,229
definitely can say a lot of guys are

1721
00:59:46,229 --> 00:59:47,822
gonna like that Mountain Hunter even if I

1722
00:59:47,822 --> 00:59:48,221
don't switch.

1723
00:59:48,938 --> 00:59:50,531
If you want the Mountain Hunter,

1724
00:59:51,023 --> 00:59:51,659
Let's see.

1725
00:59:52,295 --> 00:59:53,726
I... I've got the link here.

1726
00:59:54,521 --> 00:59:56,748
I'm not gonna reach it some Https, blah

1727
00:59:56,748 --> 00:59:58,894
blah blah. But just just go to the

1728
00:59:59,213 --> 01:00:00,976
out altitude outdoors. Store.

1729
01:00:01,771 --> 01:00:04,314
Heck, just jump on chat, Gp or Google,

1730
01:00:04,553 --> 01:00:06,778
and and you'll find it. And by the

1731
01:00:06,778 --> 01:00:09,265
way, the Mountain hunter. They're not a sponsor

1732
01:00:10,375 --> 01:00:12,694
altitude does not advertise with us. I'm just

1733
01:00:12,694 --> 01:00:15,335
always willing to try really good gear, especially

1734
01:00:15,335 --> 01:00:17,429
if guys are are brave enough to it

1735
01:00:17,429 --> 01:00:18,868
to me and let me compare it to

1736
01:00:18,868 --> 01:00:22,064
a known like the slick. So anyways, that's

1737
01:00:22,064 --> 01:00:23,583
what I know about it. I can't comment

1738
01:00:23,583 --> 01:00:24,781
under durability Have I've only had it out

1739
01:00:24,781 --> 01:00:26,380
a few times, but it seems pretty good?

1740
01:00:27,269 --> 01:00:28,301
Okay. Moving into boots.

1741
01:00:28,936 --> 01:00:31,318
I'm still running the Ken card scramble. Ken

1742
01:00:31,318 --> 01:00:32,906
trick is not an advertiser with rock side,

1743
01:00:33,223 --> 01:00:34,097
but I like their boots.

1744
01:00:35,303 --> 01:00:37,608
And I have a really wide foot,

1745
01:00:38,561 --> 01:00:40,707
really, a 4. I've had I've had it

1746
01:00:40,707 --> 01:00:41,899
for years. I have a shrek foot.

1747
01:00:43,664 --> 01:00:45,819
And the Ken hard sc. They just like

1748
01:00:45,819 --> 01:00:47,575
my feet. This is my second pair I

1749
01:00:47,575 --> 01:00:49,432
got my first pair in 2017

1750
01:00:49,810 --> 01:00:51,567
when they were advertising with us, and I

1751
01:00:51,646 --> 01:00:53,492
I got those comp. But I like them

1752
01:00:53,492 --> 01:00:55,081
so much that when I wore those out,

1753
01:00:55,239 --> 01:00:56,590
I think I got about 4 seasons out

1754
01:00:56,590 --> 01:00:56,828
of them.

1755
01:00:57,940 --> 01:01:00,085
I went ahead and and and and bought

1756
01:01:00,085 --> 01:01:02,005
another pair. And so I'm on my second

1757
01:01:02,005 --> 01:01:04,306
pair. Really happy with them. They're they're a

1758
01:01:04,306 --> 01:01:07,241
very durable boot. They're they're they're a mid

1759
01:01:07,241 --> 01:01:07,797
height he.

1760
01:01:08,686 --> 01:01:10,277
Full leather, you know, they got around and

1761
01:01:10,277 --> 01:01:13,618
everything. They're a tough tough boot. But they're

1762
01:01:13,618 --> 01:01:14,891
also a hard boot,

1763
01:01:15,779 --> 01:01:17,603
not a lot of flex in them. I

1764
01:01:17,603 --> 01:01:19,428
tend to stumble around a lot in them

1765
01:01:19,428 --> 01:01:21,094
just because I don't think I feel the

1766
01:01:21,094 --> 01:01:21,887
ground as well.

1767
01:01:23,819 --> 01:01:25,659
So... But but I still continue to go

1768
01:01:25,659 --> 01:01:27,980
back to him because just great ankle support,

1769
01:01:28,139 --> 01:01:29,739
you know, my ankles are getting older now.

1770
01:01:29,900 --> 01:01:31,260
I get a little bit arthritis in my

1771
01:01:31,260 --> 01:01:33,423
right ankle. They're just good on my feet.

1772
01:01:33,582 --> 01:01:35,011
So I so I continue to wear them.

1773
01:01:36,043 --> 01:01:38,028
But and and they're and they're they're very

1774
01:01:38,028 --> 01:01:40,667
durable. They're very happy with them. I've never

1775
01:01:40,667 --> 01:01:43,379
lost any waterproof in them. Even my first

1776
01:01:43,379 --> 01:01:44,814
pair I think it went 4 seasons. I

1777
01:01:44,814 --> 01:01:46,250
could still wear them out in wet snow

1778
01:01:46,250 --> 01:01:47,367
as long as I had a gate on,

1779
01:01:47,686 --> 01:01:48,244
they were fine.

1780
01:01:49,854 --> 01:01:52,162
But this year, I went ahead and bought

1781
01:01:52,162 --> 01:01:54,868
with my own money, the Crispy Summit to

1782
01:01:54,868 --> 01:01:57,733
the Gtx x's. Kris wasn't advertisers with with

1783
01:01:57,733 --> 01:01:59,578
us for years are not currently right. Now

1784
01:01:59,658 --> 01:02:01,490
Hey, Kendall, We know you're out there, man.

1785
01:02:01,650 --> 01:02:03,003
We appreciate all the support over those years.

1786
01:02:03,163 --> 01:02:04,676
They're trying some different. Right now That's all

1787
01:02:04,676 --> 01:02:06,747
good. But I love Crispy, and I went

1788
01:02:06,747 --> 01:02:07,862
ahead with my own money, and I bought

1789
01:02:07,862 --> 01:02:10,750
the summit. I've only worn them just casually.

1790
01:02:10,910 --> 01:02:12,666
So far. I've actually had them since April

1791
01:02:12,666 --> 01:02:15,460
easy break in, man. Easy break in. There

1792
01:02:15,460 --> 01:02:17,297
there's more flex in that boot. That's 1

1793
01:02:17,297 --> 01:02:19,388
reason I went with them. I'll probably be

1794
01:02:19,388 --> 01:02:20,906
definitely wearing them for both season,

1795
01:02:21,865 --> 01:02:23,382
you know, and they're they're really good for

1796
01:02:23,382 --> 01:02:25,220
not back and weight and everything. I I

1797
01:02:25,220 --> 01:02:26,831
just... Just haven't had them in the hills.

1798
01:02:27,070 --> 01:02:28,346
They still look really good. And I've been

1799
01:02:28,346 --> 01:02:29,782
wearing them on carpet but wearing them to

1800
01:02:29,782 --> 01:02:31,696
show stuff like like that, but I I

1801
01:02:31,696 --> 01:02:32,972
can say it would give you a pretty

1802
01:02:32,972 --> 01:02:35,579
easy break in. For my pack boot, I'm

1803
01:02:35,780 --> 01:02:37,700
gonna be running the S sc hunter 2

1804
01:02:37,700 --> 01:02:39,940
pack boot. I've had those since 2008.

1805
01:02:40,099 --> 01:02:42,019
They're a rebuild pack boot. For those of

1806
01:02:42,019 --> 01:02:43,059
you that don't know what a pack boot

1807
01:02:43,059 --> 01:02:44,829
is a pack boot. Still means you can

1808
01:02:44,829 --> 01:02:47,295
take the liner out, which is key to

1809
01:02:47,295 --> 01:02:49,045
warm feet, because you can actually get your

1810
01:02:49,045 --> 01:02:50,795
liner dry at night. You can wear them

1811
01:02:50,795 --> 01:02:52,067
to bed and you wake up in the

1812
01:02:52,067 --> 01:02:53,996
morning, and they're dry,

1813
01:02:54,635 --> 01:02:56,152
even if the boots not totally dry. And

1814
01:02:56,152 --> 01:02:57,668
you slip it back into there. So I'll

1815
01:02:57,668 --> 01:02:58,865
be running those again this year. I've had

1816
01:02:58,865 --> 01:03:01,340
them rebuilt. I think 3 times, and, totally

1817
01:03:01,340 --> 01:03:03,594
working. They're probably on their last rebuild. As

1818
01:03:03,594 --> 01:03:04,414
far as satellite,

1819
01:03:05,195 --> 01:03:07,514
gear mapping, I'm running On x, On x.

1820
01:03:07,675 --> 01:03:08,554
As you know, they're

1821
01:03:09,195 --> 01:03:11,528
a sponsor, an advertiser on the podcast love

1822
01:03:11,528 --> 01:03:13,364
those guys. I really feel like they're the

1823
01:03:13,364 --> 01:03:14,800
best that are out there. If you go

1824
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:16,076
back on rock site you'll see over the

1825
01:03:16,076 --> 01:03:17,911
years. I tried competitors, gave them an honest

1826
01:03:17,911 --> 01:03:19,925
a shot. I some good stuff out there.

1827
01:03:20,085 --> 01:03:22,085
There really is, but ultimately, I came back

1828
01:03:22,085 --> 01:03:23,605
to on x. Probably 1 of the biggest

1829
01:03:23,605 --> 01:03:25,045
reasons all my friends had On x it

1830
01:03:25,045 --> 01:03:27,605
was really hard to share information across apps,

1831
01:03:28,657 --> 01:03:30,890
And, I I just I just really have

1832
01:03:30,890 --> 01:03:32,725
stuck with my on x... I'm a slow

1833
01:03:32,725 --> 01:03:34,958
learner when it comes to technology. The only

1834
01:03:34,958 --> 01:03:36,234
regret I had with on x was not

1835
01:03:36,234 --> 01:03:37,510
learning all these features earlier.

1836
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:39,990
So if you've been kinda lazy with your

1837
01:03:40,069 --> 01:03:41,658
On x and you're only just marking way

1838
01:03:41,658 --> 01:03:44,121
points and everything on there, really make a

1839
01:03:44,121 --> 01:03:46,027
commitment to to use all those features this

1840
01:03:46,027 --> 01:03:49,062
year. Jump into the satellite mapping sub forum

1841
01:03:49,062 --> 01:03:51,526
on Rock lite. On x is actually on

1842
01:03:51,526 --> 01:03:53,751
there daily or at least weekly,

1843
01:03:54,481 --> 01:03:56,304
answering questions, you'll see the threads that are

1844
01:03:56,304 --> 01:03:58,128
on there about On x. That's a great

1845
01:03:58,128 --> 01:03:59,476
way to get right to the top and

1846
01:03:59,476 --> 01:04:01,063
and talk somebody about it and plus get

1847
01:04:01,063 --> 01:04:02,907
member input, you know, when you you can

1848
01:04:02,907 --> 01:04:04,502
open a chat with them on their on

1849
01:04:04,502 --> 01:04:06,017
their app, But, you know, you're just talking

1850
01:04:06,017 --> 01:04:07,612
to the to that guy. But if you

1851
01:04:07,612 --> 01:04:08,809
do it on rock side, you get all

1852
01:04:08,809 --> 01:04:10,564
the members helping you too. So I'll be

1853
01:04:10,564 --> 01:04:12,833
running on x again for that. For my

1854
01:04:12,889 --> 01:04:13,389
satellite

1855
01:04:13,923 --> 01:04:15,753
communication, I'm gonna be running the in reach

1856
01:04:15,753 --> 01:04:18,935
many, and reaches, Garmin is not an advertiser

1857
01:04:19,510 --> 01:04:22,409
I've been running that. I think since 2019.

1858
01:04:22,789 --> 01:04:24,710
The minis everything I need it connects to

1859
01:04:24,710 --> 01:04:26,789
your phone. Your phone becomes the screen so

1860
01:04:26,789 --> 01:04:29,125
you can save. All that room off of

1861
01:04:29,125 --> 01:04:30,264
off of the bigger

1862
01:04:31,525 --> 01:04:32,964
and reaches were we're out there. It's it's

1863
01:04:32,964 --> 01:04:34,405
done everything I need to do. It's probably

1864
01:04:34,405 --> 01:04:36,005
not quite as user friendly because you gotta

1865
01:04:36,005 --> 01:04:37,099
look it up your phone and everything, But

1866
01:04:37,219 --> 01:04:38,893
once you get over that hump. It's it's

1867
01:04:38,893 --> 01:04:39,929
the most compact to way,

1868
01:04:41,284 --> 01:04:43,516
communication. I know of, I love love the

1869
01:04:43,516 --> 01:04:45,350
cost. It's pretty reasonable and the ability to

1870
01:04:45,350 --> 01:04:46,719
just switch plans. I think I'm just on

1871
01:04:46,719 --> 01:04:48,632
the 15 dollar month plan right now. That's

1872
01:04:48,632 --> 01:04:49,827
what I keep through the winner when I'm

1873
01:04:49,827 --> 01:04:51,102
not out in the field very much. You

1874
01:04:51,102 --> 01:04:52,616
can send a few tech stuff like that.

1875
01:04:53,429 --> 01:04:55,746
But as I move into fall, and I'm

1876
01:04:55,746 --> 01:04:57,345
in the Hills more. I I switch over

1877
01:04:57,345 --> 01:04:59,342
it's about 60 bucks a I'm month unlimited

1878
01:04:59,342 --> 01:05:01,021
text stuff like that. Because I'm typically running

1879
01:05:01,021 --> 01:05:01,660
my businesses.

1880
01:05:02,710 --> 01:05:04,620
At that point. So I'm answering multiple text

1881
01:05:04,620 --> 01:05:06,371
per day. I still have the old spot.

1882
01:05:07,565 --> 01:05:09,077
I run that in my airplane. Just, you

1883
01:05:09,077 --> 01:05:10,827
know, that does not a 2 way communication,

1884
01:05:10,986 --> 01:05:12,750
but, know, if there was a true emergency

1885
01:05:12,750 --> 01:05:13,703
and I need somebody to be able to

1886
01:05:13,703 --> 01:05:14,895
find me. That's a great way to do

1887
01:05:14,895 --> 01:05:16,166
it. And then I can just leave it

1888
01:05:16,166 --> 01:05:17,279
in the. And don't have to take it

1889
01:05:17,279 --> 01:05:19,520
in and out. Tenth. You I'm gonna run

1890
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:21,908
again the stone, skyscraper 2 man.

1891
01:05:22,624 --> 01:05:24,454
I've been running that since 2018,

1892
01:05:25,489 --> 01:05:27,001
a few holes in the floor where I've

1893
01:05:27,001 --> 01:05:29,889
set up on Sharp rocks. But mh zipper

1894
01:05:29,889 --> 01:05:31,969
all still work good. Tent is fully functional.

1895
01:05:32,289 --> 01:05:34,550
We've done multiple reviews on that. Look for

1896
01:05:34,690 --> 01:05:35,010
Josh.

1897
01:05:35,822 --> 01:05:37,971
Boys reviews on Rock slide he's East and

1898
01:05:37,971 --> 01:05:39,563
done that for us. It's just a good

1899
01:05:39,563 --> 01:05:41,871
solid lightweight tent. For my fall tense, when

1900
01:05:42,030 --> 01:05:43,702
I need a stove, I'm still back to

1901
01:05:43,702 --> 01:05:44,896
the seek outside 8, man,

1902
01:05:45,785 --> 01:05:46,499
happy with that.

1903
01:05:47,214 --> 01:05:49,596
Gosh, that thing is going on hundreds of

1904
01:05:49,596 --> 01:05:51,104
days in the hills you guys. It's holding

1905
01:05:51,104 --> 01:05:52,930
up well. I'm been very happy with it.

1906
01:05:53,424 --> 01:05:55,742
Sleeping bags. I'm spoiled rotten with sleeping bags.

1907
01:05:55,902 --> 01:05:57,340
I've got to test so many over the

1908
01:05:57,340 --> 01:05:58,779
years. And at the top of the heap,

1909
01:05:59,018 --> 01:06:00,537
I've kept the ones I really like, which

1910
01:06:00,537 --> 01:06:02,056
has been the stone glacier and the K,

1911
01:06:02,295 --> 01:06:04,221
the stone glacier Chill. And then the C

1912
01:06:04,221 --> 01:06:05,572
you. I don't think K u has a

1913
01:06:05,572 --> 01:06:07,639
model on that. It's just their c super

1914
01:06:07,639 --> 01:06:07,798
down.

1915
01:06:08,752 --> 01:06:11,311
Great bags. I think the choice between the

1916
01:06:11,311 --> 01:06:13,082
2 kinda gets down to

1917
01:06:13,536 --> 01:06:15,443
the C use a little tighter bag for

1918
01:06:15,443 --> 01:06:17,112
my size. The stone glacier seems to have

1919
01:06:17,112 --> 01:06:18,199
a little bit more room

1920
01:06:19,273 --> 01:06:21,500
neck and net on warmth. I I... If

1921
01:06:21,500 --> 01:06:22,613
you look at some of of our...

1922
01:06:23,408 --> 01:06:24,840
If you look at our rock side Youtube

1923
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:26,532
channel, I I put them through

1924
01:06:26,842 --> 01:06:27,478
water tests,

1925
01:06:28,113 --> 01:06:29,169
these new bags

1926
01:06:29,939 --> 01:06:31,448
don't be afraid of a down bag. You

1927
01:06:31,448 --> 01:06:33,298
know, unless you're hunting maybe the most

1928
01:06:33,671 --> 01:06:36,480
damp wet part of the Pacific Northwest during

1929
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:38,400
rainy season, I would not be afraid of

1930
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:40,720
a down bag and exposing the drier climates

1931
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:42,160
to the West. I've just... I've never sold

1932
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:43,760
1. And it's not so much that the

1933
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:45,850
down is that much better. It probably is,

1934
01:06:46,010 --> 01:06:48,004
but they've just built the bag, so water

1935
01:06:48,004 --> 01:06:49,360
doesn't get them them in the first place.

1936
01:06:51,433 --> 01:06:54,065
For a sleeping pad, on 55 so, you

1937
01:06:54,065 --> 01:06:56,235
know, my sleeping pads gotta be good. No

1938
01:06:56,235 --> 01:06:59,348
more thin, little sleeping pads for me. And

1939
01:06:59,667 --> 01:07:01,822
I I went with the x bed mega

1940
01:07:01,822 --> 01:07:03,192
mat back in 2019,

1941
01:07:03,430 --> 01:07:05,497
Ex bet is not a rock site advertiser

1942
01:07:05,497 --> 01:07:07,882
paid for that amount of money. Still running

1943
01:07:07,882 --> 01:07:10,744
that same pad. Every time someone comes to

1944
01:07:10,744 --> 01:07:12,904
camp, and they see my pad. 2 things

1945
01:07:12,904 --> 01:07:15,680
have. First of all, they laugh? Like, what

1946
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:17,663
kind of old guy packs in a full

1947
01:07:17,663 --> 01:07:18,377
size mattress?

1948
01:07:19,091 --> 01:07:20,122
This this old guy.

1949
01:07:21,010 --> 01:07:22,600
And and and by the way, it it

1950
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:24,269
rolls down to about the size of a

1951
01:07:24,269 --> 01:07:26,176
liter of pop. So it's it's not that

1952
01:07:26,176 --> 01:07:29,037
big. And comes with a really cool pump

1953
01:07:29,037 --> 01:07:30,644
sack. Where it's easy to pump up,

1954
01:07:31,919 --> 01:07:33,911
but I'm still using the same 1 from

1955
01:07:33,911 --> 01:07:34,786
2019.

1956
01:07:35,026 --> 01:07:36,514
I don't know, a hundred days on it

1957
01:07:36,714 --> 01:07:38,154
never have popped a hole in. Now, of

1958
01:07:38,154 --> 01:07:39,994
course I'm careful. I run a I run

1959
01:07:39,994 --> 01:07:42,315
a a ground cloth and everything, and and,

1960
01:07:42,474 --> 01:07:43,835
you know, careful where I set it up,

1961
01:07:43,994 --> 01:07:45,674
but I've never poked a hole in it.

1962
01:07:46,009 --> 01:07:48,004
Then very happy with it. Might take a

1963
01:07:48,004 --> 01:07:49,360
little bit longer to set up than some

1964
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:50,796
of the other mats. But man you get

1965
01:07:50,796 --> 01:07:52,951
a good nice sleep in those things. I

1966
01:07:52,951 --> 01:07:54,796
wouldn't trade it for the world. And 55

1967
01:07:54,796 --> 01:07:56,784
years old, still sleeping on the ground, 30

1968
01:07:56,784 --> 01:07:58,693
to 60 days a year. Part of that

1969
01:07:58,693 --> 01:08:00,125
is that bad. Okay?

1970
01:08:01,095 --> 01:08:03,323
Packs. I've mentioned my day pack. That's my

1971
01:08:03,482 --> 01:08:03,982
N

1972
01:08:04,358 --> 01:08:07,700
Apex day pack. It's 12 years old now.

1973
01:08:08,114 --> 01:08:10,272
13 seasons 12 years old. I've been so

1974
01:08:10,272 --> 01:08:12,270
happy with that N rod. They were an

1975
01:08:12,270 --> 01:08:14,188
advertiser way back in the day. They're not

1976
01:08:14,188 --> 01:08:14,348
anymore.

1977
01:08:15,067 --> 01:08:16,665
I looked on their website today. They still

1978
01:08:16,665 --> 01:08:18,598
build that same. Pack. I've been very happy

1979
01:08:18,598 --> 01:08:20,277
with it. It's a modular pack. You can

1980
01:08:20,277 --> 01:08:21,795
make it bigger if you want, add things

1981
01:08:21,795 --> 01:08:24,134
to it. I just go with the standard

1982
01:08:24,432 --> 01:08:26,111
day pack. I've been very happy with it.

1983
01:08:26,430 --> 01:08:28,602
You can get a slick. Tripod in it

1984
01:08:28,602 --> 01:08:31,317
with an outdoors pan head and,

1985
01:08:31,796 --> 01:08:32,694
a Sw off

1986
01:08:33,153 --> 01:08:35,387
compact spotter, although I've I got my 80

1987
01:08:35,387 --> 01:08:36,506
millimeter in there before too.

1988
01:08:37,958 --> 01:08:40,835
Get your lunch. You can get your survival

1989
01:08:40,835 --> 01:08:42,593
gear in there, you know, basic stuff.

1990
01:08:43,631 --> 01:08:46,038
It's just a good solid. Back. It's fleece.

1991
01:08:46,277 --> 01:08:46,833
It's quiet.

1992
01:08:47,866 --> 01:08:49,376
I mean, it's probably time for a new

1993
01:08:49,376 --> 01:08:51,203
1, but it's just hard to get rid

1994
01:08:51,203 --> 01:08:52,338
stuff that works

1995
01:08:53,043 --> 01:08:55,025
clothing. My early season stuff. I've been running

1996
01:08:55,025 --> 01:08:57,561
the sick Apex system. So since 2018.

1997
01:08:57,640 --> 01:08:59,384
You know, I'm not a big time. I

1998
01:08:59,384 --> 01:09:02,333
probably 08:12 days a euro bowl hunting. Very

1999
01:09:02,333 --> 01:09:03,841
happy with it Never had to replace a

2000
01:09:03,841 --> 01:09:05,585
single piece in it. I got everything head

2001
01:09:05,585 --> 01:09:05,903
to toe,

2002
01:09:07,092 --> 01:09:07,648
outer layer,

2003
01:09:08,934 --> 01:09:09,968
to base layer.

2004
01:09:10,604 --> 01:09:12,036
Although I don't have their puppy or anything

2005
01:09:12,036 --> 01:09:13,388
like that, but, I can't remember the name

2006
01:09:13,388 --> 01:09:14,899
of their sure but just their Apex hoodie.

2007
01:09:15,218 --> 01:09:16,411
That's what I wear on the outside.

2008
01:09:17,064 --> 01:09:19,402
But the pants, the knee pads, they're just

2009
01:09:19,700 --> 01:09:22,177
designed well. When you knee down, the knee

2010
01:09:22,177 --> 01:09:23,614
pads are where they're supposed to be.

2011
01:09:24,428 --> 01:09:26,426
The the the... There's 2 hoodies in that

2012
01:09:26,426 --> 01:09:28,822
line. I just mentioned the the outer wanna

2013
01:09:28,822 --> 01:09:30,100
camera remember with the anyone's called. But,

2014
01:09:31,072 --> 01:09:33,690
I love the sun protection. You know, when

2015
01:09:33,690 --> 01:09:34,960
when when you get in your fifties, you

2016
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:37,023
realize just how bad you beat your skin

2017
01:09:37,023 --> 01:09:39,426
up over the years. Not protecting yourself from

2018
01:09:39,426 --> 01:09:40,940
the sun. And, you know, you get in

2019
01:09:40,940 --> 01:09:43,493
the high country, there's less atmosphere to filter

2020
01:09:43,493 --> 01:09:45,247
out the Uv. You just get hair... Man

2021
01:09:45,247 --> 01:09:46,843
getting all these spots on my nose and

2022
01:09:46,843 --> 01:09:47,640
my face and everything.

2023
01:09:48,690 --> 01:09:50,281
I I wish I to take better care

2024
01:09:50,281 --> 01:09:52,349
of myself when I was young. But the

2025
01:09:52,349 --> 01:09:54,814
sun protection is offered by, by this system

2026
01:09:54,814 --> 01:09:57,359
is great. The hoods, you know, wear your

2027
01:09:57,359 --> 01:09:57,596
hood,

2028
01:09:58,488 --> 01:09:59,924
it it just makes a difference. And, you

2029
01:09:59,924 --> 01:10:01,359
know, plus it just helps in the whole

2030
01:10:01,359 --> 01:10:03,274
camouflage thing. I do have to drop my

2031
01:10:03,274 --> 01:10:04,948
hood to hit my anchor points and everything,

2032
01:10:05,109 --> 01:10:07,023
But, you know, 99

2033
01:10:07,023 --> 01:10:09,673
percent of your hunt. Really 99.9

2034
01:10:09,673 --> 01:10:11,431
percent of your hunt. You you need to

2035
01:10:11,431 --> 01:10:12,390
wear your hood, you know,

2036
01:10:13,109 --> 01:10:14,548
and and it's gonna make make a difference.

2037
01:10:14,708 --> 01:10:16,865
And so I've also had good luck with

2038
01:10:16,865 --> 01:10:17,765
the cryptic

2039
01:10:18,318 --> 01:10:18,818
Son

2040
01:10:19,511 --> 01:10:21,582
sun shirt for sun protection. Wear that for

2041
01:10:21,582 --> 01:10:22,377
scouting and everything.

2042
01:10:23,333 --> 01:10:25,243
But, anyway, sun protection where it's at. So

2043
01:10:25,562 --> 01:10:25,801
Apex,

2044
01:10:26,613 --> 01:10:28,368
also has their belt and run the sick

2045
01:10:28,368 --> 01:10:30,681
belt a very simple belt. No buckle just

2046
01:10:30,681 --> 01:10:32,675
a clip. It's just fine. Though. Never failed

2047
01:10:32,675 --> 01:10:32,755
me.

2048
01:10:33,632 --> 01:10:35,307
I also run their synthetic base layers.

2049
01:10:36,359 --> 01:10:37,395
Can't remember what the name of that,

2050
01:10:38,990 --> 01:10:40,905
what they call that material, but it does

2051
01:10:40,905 --> 01:10:43,218
work. It's not quite as comfortable as merino,

2052
01:10:43,457 --> 01:10:44,654
but it does work. And I can tell

2053
01:10:44,654 --> 01:10:45,850
you this on the base layers.

2054
01:10:46,505 --> 01:10:48,344
Size up. The base layers are always a

2055
01:10:48,344 --> 01:10:49,145
little tight on me.

2056
01:10:49,864 --> 01:10:51,064
Even if I order them in the right

2057
01:10:51,064 --> 01:10:52,344
size. Same size as the pants they run

2058
01:10:52,344 --> 01:10:52,744
a little tight.

2059
01:10:54,038 --> 01:10:55,787
So for the later seasons, I'm a first

2060
01:10:55,787 --> 01:10:57,457
light guy just because they were 1 of

2061
01:10:57,457 --> 01:10:59,444
the original advertising on the site still are.

2062
01:10:59,921 --> 01:11:01,431
I know their system's really well.

2063
01:11:02,482 --> 01:11:04,713
I've run the the the puffy on Comp.

2064
01:11:04,872 --> 01:11:05,032
Right.

2065
01:11:05,988 --> 01:11:07,842
I'll tell you right now. Not the toughest

2066
01:11:08,060 --> 01:11:09,653
puffy that's out there. I go through 1

2067
01:11:09,653 --> 01:11:11,087
for about every 3 or 4 years, but

2068
01:11:11,087 --> 01:11:12,777
they're a alive. Probably 3 years to be

2069
01:11:12,777 --> 01:11:14,292
fair. They're a lightweight, puffy.

2070
01:11:14,929 --> 01:11:15,647
They're warm.

2071
01:11:16,126 --> 01:11:17,560
You could you can have a good push

2072
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:19,076
in them and get rid of a lot

2073
01:11:19,076 --> 01:11:20,591
of moisture. It, you know,

2074
01:11:21,561 --> 01:11:23,868
I'm sure there's other great puppies out there,

2075
01:11:24,027 --> 01:11:26,175
but I've just really become comfortable with him.

2076
01:11:26,413 --> 01:11:28,499
I I think I've been running puppies. There

2077
01:11:28,499 --> 01:11:29,458
since 2013.

2078
01:11:29,618 --> 01:11:31,136
I'm probably on my sixth 1. You know,

2079
01:11:31,376 --> 01:11:32,894
III go through a lot of them, but

2080
01:11:32,894 --> 01:11:34,891
they're they're really good. Their their ob upstate

2081
01:11:34,891 --> 01:11:36,650
pant is the main pant that I run.

2082
01:11:37,223 --> 01:11:39,454
In the later season This replaced their old

2083
01:11:39,454 --> 01:11:42,025
junky can pack. I love the Can. Temperature

2084
01:11:42,322 --> 01:11:43,916
regulation was great. Was a mint merino wool

2085
01:11:43,916 --> 01:11:45,765
pat. They were just as tender as a

2086
01:11:45,925 --> 01:11:47,679
Dan land. Though, You could you could ruin

2087
01:11:47,679 --> 01:11:49,514
a, ruin a para ads in 1 hunt.

2088
01:11:50,551 --> 01:11:51,827
I'll, I'll be honest if I wasn't get

2089
01:11:51,827 --> 01:11:53,103
them for free. I probably would never run

2090
01:11:53,103 --> 01:11:55,112
them in the first place. But But then

2091
01:11:55,112 --> 01:11:57,105
once I switch to their ob city, they

2092
01:11:57,105 --> 01:11:59,417
definitely tough them up, you can still rip

2093
01:11:59,417 --> 01:12:01,969
them, but I'm I went through 2 full

2094
01:12:01,969 --> 01:12:04,056
seasons on my ob city. Last year, I

2095
01:12:04,056 --> 01:12:05,808
ran a piece of brush through 1 leg

2096
01:12:05,808 --> 01:12:07,879
on them, riding a horse. That's always tough

2097
01:12:07,879 --> 01:12:08,436
on pants.

2098
01:12:09,313 --> 01:12:10,985
Still didn't tear the pan. But can I

2099
01:12:10,985 --> 01:12:11,861
used to get a little hole in them,

2100
01:12:11,940 --> 01:12:13,633
and you know, in an hour, it was

2101
01:12:13,633 --> 01:12:14,832
the size of a softball?

2102
01:12:15,471 --> 01:12:16,371
The the Ob

2103
01:12:17,149 --> 01:12:19,627
can contain a tear, and I was able

2104
01:12:19,627 --> 01:12:20,826
to get back to Camp, get it sewn

2105
01:12:20,826 --> 01:12:22,277
up, and I'm still gonna run that. Same

2106
01:12:22,277 --> 01:12:24,521
pair this year. But I love the temperature

2107
01:12:24,814 --> 01:12:26,401
regulation of of the ob city and that

2108
01:12:26,401 --> 01:12:27,908
kind collapsed style pants with the mix and

2109
01:12:27,908 --> 01:12:29,970
merino and everything in there. It's just just

2110
01:12:29,970 --> 01:12:32,294
the good comfortable pants. No swamp ness.

2111
01:12:33,010 --> 01:12:34,046
I run all first slate

2112
01:12:34,682 --> 01:12:36,832
base layers been very happy with those. Gator.

2113
01:12:36,990 --> 01:12:38,105
Let's talk about Gate a little bit,

2114
01:12:38,997 --> 01:12:40,989
first light runs as 2 different. They probably

2115
01:12:40,989 --> 01:12:42,024
have more than 2, but I've used to.

2116
01:12:42,184 --> 01:12:44,756
The traverse. That's a small hiking boot gator

2117
01:12:44,893 --> 01:12:46,487
about as big of a boot. You can

2118
01:12:46,487 --> 01:12:48,833
get it over is think of, like, a

2119
01:12:49,445 --> 01:12:50,159
Sc bridge,

2120
01:12:51,113 --> 01:12:51,907
Ken trek,

2121
01:12:53,574 --> 01:12:54,368
hard gravel,

2122
01:12:54,845 --> 01:12:56,195
the... Some of the smaller,

2123
01:12:58,198 --> 01:12:58,598
Kris.

2124
01:12:59,078 --> 01:13:01,474
It'll it'll run on those. They're great. I

2125
01:13:01,474 --> 01:13:03,871
did... III did a review on those. Traverse

2126
01:13:03,871 --> 01:13:05,162
2 point 0III

2127
01:13:05,162 --> 01:13:06,992
asked Chad Gp to find that review, and

2128
01:13:06,992 --> 01:13:08,425
it founder me a later today. By the

2129
01:13:08,425 --> 01:13:10,015
way, guys, if you're not using Chad Gp,

2130
01:13:10,175 --> 01:13:11,926
it's better than Google. Go test that out.

2131
01:13:12,659 --> 01:13:15,056
But chad Found that review. It's still out

2132
01:13:15,056 --> 01:13:17,135
there. Very happy with those. I'm still running

2133
01:13:17,135 --> 01:13:18,733
that same set that I reviewed in there.

2134
01:13:19,692 --> 01:13:21,943
Very happy. Love how it keeps your. Your

2135
01:13:21,943 --> 01:13:24,572
pant legs protected, and you're not tearing your

2136
01:13:24,572 --> 01:13:27,122
pants so much, Little extra water protection, keep

2137
01:13:27,122 --> 01:13:28,715
water from going down in in your boots.

2138
01:13:28,954 --> 01:13:30,388
You can step in the creek. Can you

2139
01:13:30,388 --> 01:13:32,079
get stand in the You know, they're not

2140
01:13:32,079 --> 01:13:33,520
waiters, but you can step in the creek,

2141
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:35,119
not get it over your booth if you're

2142
01:13:35,119 --> 01:13:36,960
just running through, I've been very happy with

2143
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:38,400
them. For the later season, I've ran their

2144
01:13:38,480 --> 01:13:41,517
Bra, Streak my big complaint of of of

2145
01:13:41,517 --> 01:13:43,287
these and all of the bigger

2146
01:13:44,614 --> 01:13:47,632
gate is noise. They're just noisy. They're not

2147
01:13:47,632 --> 01:13:49,719
good for deer hunting. But I've never found

2148
01:13:49,719 --> 01:13:51,556
an all police skater. That's really what you

2149
01:13:51,556 --> 01:13:53,395
need that had a good zipper system, a

2150
01:13:53,395 --> 01:13:53,895
good

2151
01:13:54,354 --> 01:13:56,113
system to secure to the boot. I've just

2152
01:13:56,113 --> 01:13:57,791
never found 1, so I I kinda put

2153
01:13:57,791 --> 01:13:59,559
up with them. Backing up to the traverse.

2154
01:13:59,718 --> 01:14:00,514
They're very quiet.

2155
01:14:01,469 --> 01:14:02,742
Last piece of gear I got on here,

2156
01:14:03,618 --> 01:14:05,210
been running up for a year. I wanna

2157
01:14:05,210 --> 01:14:06,983
mention it. It's con... The Ka

2158
01:14:07,359 --> 01:14:08,097
Wind river

2159
01:14:08,567 --> 01:14:11,268
wind shirt or wind jacket. They came out

2160
01:14:11,268 --> 01:14:13,015
last year. There's a full review on Rock

2161
01:14:13,015 --> 01:14:14,365
slide. I think Mike Moore did it.

2162
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:17,249
Again, hit just just hit chat chat Gp

2163
01:14:17,385 --> 01:14:18,991
If it comes up. If not, just jump

2164
01:14:18,991 --> 01:14:21,382
on the rock side page. But very happy

2165
01:14:21,382 --> 01:14:23,373
with this For a couple of ounces. You

2166
01:14:23,373 --> 01:14:26,992
got a wind proof jacket. It's... Fairly breathable

2167
01:14:27,047 --> 01:14:28,315
too. That's what I like about it. It's

2168
01:14:28,315 --> 01:14:30,456
not like putting on a plastic bag. It's

2169
01:14:30,456 --> 01:14:33,072
a good looking jacket. It's fully hood,

2170
01:14:33,564 --> 01:14:35,319
that's a fully functional hood. You can zip

2171
01:14:35,319 --> 01:14:37,792
it up your chin and, you know, walk

2172
01:14:37,792 --> 01:14:39,148
straight into the wind It doesn't blow your

2173
01:14:39,148 --> 01:14:42,258
hood off. For a couple of ounces. It's

2174
01:14:42,258 --> 01:14:43,157
so versatile.

2175
01:14:43,630 --> 01:14:46,289
It'll shed a little bit of a rain.

2176
01:14:46,510 --> 01:14:47,869
You know, you can't go out in, you

2177
01:14:47,869 --> 01:14:49,630
know, much, you get soap, you know, little

2178
01:14:49,630 --> 01:14:51,070
rain blows or. You're okay, It.

2179
01:14:51,803 --> 01:14:54,916
But it'll add just another level of comfort

2180
01:14:54,916 --> 01:14:55,735
to any

2181
01:14:56,752 --> 01:14:58,906
under garment that you're wearing. That's what I

2182
01:14:58,906 --> 01:15:00,908
love about it. I ride my bike to

2183
01:15:00,908 --> 01:15:02,414
work a lot in the in the summer.

2184
01:15:02,810 --> 01:15:04,951
And, now, now, me ride my bike to

2185
01:15:04,951 --> 01:15:06,774
work. You know, don't don't picture.

2186
01:15:07,424 --> 01:15:09,803
You know, some guy on a 3000 dollar

2187
01:15:09,803 --> 01:15:11,652
bike with a little pointy helmet

2188
01:15:12,104 --> 01:15:14,008
and, you know, little rearview mirror,

2189
01:15:15,058 --> 01:15:17,373
you know, definitely no Span x. Man. You

2190
01:15:17,373 --> 01:15:18,970
guys would... Someone, I would get arrested if

2191
01:15:19,050 --> 01:15:20,007
I put Span x on.

2192
01:15:21,284 --> 01:15:22,721
Don't think of that guy, Ryan to work.

2193
01:15:22,881 --> 01:15:25,286
No, man. Think of car hearts, work boots,

2194
01:15:25,684 --> 01:15:27,832
you know, dirty old, hat, you know, that's

2195
01:15:27,832 --> 01:15:29,265
me. In fact, you know, I I joke

2196
01:15:29,265 --> 01:15:30,697
around a lot when People see me ride

2197
01:15:30,697 --> 01:15:32,949
to bike. They're like, oh, that dude got

2198
01:15:32,949 --> 01:15:35,109
a Dui. You know, that... That's what I

2199
01:15:35,109 --> 01:15:37,189
look like on a bike. But the Wind

2200
01:15:37,350 --> 01:15:39,189
River, this is this is why I can

2201
01:15:39,189 --> 01:15:41,514
endorse it. I got mine last year. I

2202
01:15:41,514 --> 01:15:43,341
read my bike to work basically from the

2203
01:15:43,341 --> 01:15:44,851
last few days into the March until about

2204
01:15:44,851 --> 01:15:46,680
the middle of October. And

2205
01:15:47,886 --> 01:15:49,076
Depending on where I park might pick up,

2206
01:15:49,155 --> 01:15:51,377
you know, I'm riding anywhere between 7 and

2207
01:15:51,377 --> 01:15:51,932
and, and,

2208
01:15:52,964 --> 01:15:55,027
miles 1 direction or 3 miles 1 direction

2209
01:15:55,027 --> 01:15:55,740
depending on where I park.

2210
01:15:56,711 --> 01:15:58,064
Depending on where I park just depends on

2211
01:15:58,064 --> 01:16:00,134
the weather that day and how late I

2212
01:16:00,134 --> 01:16:02,045
am for work. But, anyways, I... I'll park

2213
01:16:02,045 --> 01:16:03,478
my pickup wrap right into work,

2214
01:16:04,367 --> 01:16:06,591
I'll bet you, I have a hundred days

2215
01:16:06,591 --> 01:16:08,918
on on on the Wind River. And

2216
01:16:09,847 --> 01:16:11,912
the what I like about it is you

2217
01:16:11,912 --> 01:16:14,389
can... You can push yourself in it, like

2218
01:16:14,389 --> 01:16:15,818
biking or hiking,

2219
01:16:16,294 --> 01:16:19,469
and and it... It's just breathable enough. You

2220
01:16:19,469 --> 01:16:21,630
don't feel like you're wearing a raincoat. Now

2221
01:16:21,630 --> 01:16:23,307
it's not totally breathable. You know, I don't

2222
01:16:23,387 --> 01:16:24,666
I don't wanna... I wanna make people think,

2223
01:16:24,746 --> 01:16:26,185
you know, You can just you can just

2224
01:16:26,185 --> 01:16:28,582
sweat through it easily, but if it's just

2225
01:16:28,582 --> 01:16:30,580
enough to keep your warm, break the wind.

2226
01:16:31,154 --> 01:16:34,177
And it's so durable. Now, full disclosure when

2227
01:16:34,257 --> 01:16:35,849
I first got it, I broke the zipper.

2228
01:16:36,247 --> 01:16:39,112
Just I think I had unzip, like, part

2229
01:16:39,112 --> 01:16:41,114
or almost all the way down, and I

2230
01:16:41,274 --> 01:16:42,782
I got it caught on something I was

2231
01:16:42,782 --> 01:16:44,608
walking in it just yank the zipper open,

2232
01:16:45,401 --> 01:16:48,338
and it was really hard to do for,

2233
01:16:48,417 --> 01:16:49,942
like, a week or 2. You know, I

2234
01:16:49,942 --> 01:16:51,535
just would have to start it and kinda

2235
01:16:51,535 --> 01:16:53,447
get it going. So I was talking to

2236
01:16:53,527 --> 01:16:54,483
Honors at Caf.

2237
01:16:55,039 --> 01:16:56,553
He had he had sent me the the

2238
01:16:56,553 --> 01:16:57,987
winter to give the try when they first

2239
01:16:57,987 --> 01:17:00,155
released it. Before Mike did his reviews. Just

2240
01:17:00,155 --> 01:17:01,750
wanted to see who we we we... If

2241
01:17:01,750 --> 01:17:03,585
we want to review it. And you know,

2242
01:17:03,664 --> 01:17:04,701
so I talked to him 1 day, and

2243
01:17:04,781 --> 01:17:05,898
I told him hey, the Zipper failed. This,

2244
01:17:05,978 --> 01:17:07,014
oh, hey, man. Just send me an email.

2245
01:17:07,174 --> 01:17:08,370
You know, I'll get you another 1 out

2246
01:17:08,370 --> 01:17:10,054
and I just didn't get around to it.

2247
01:17:10,213 --> 01:17:11,564
I was kind busy, And I I just

2248
01:17:11,564 --> 01:17:12,119
kept using it.

2249
01:17:13,231 --> 01:17:14,264
It healed itself.

2250
01:17:14,979 --> 01:17:17,045
I light gear that can heal itself seriously.

2251
01:17:17,219 --> 01:17:18,655
I hardly ever have a problem with the

2252
01:17:18,655 --> 01:17:20,090
zipper. I think I just must have messed

2253
01:17:20,090 --> 01:17:21,924
up a tooth or 2, and I either

2254
01:17:21,924 --> 01:17:23,519
used it enough that they got smooth again.

2255
01:17:23,678 --> 01:17:24,795
I... And I don't I don't have the

2256
01:17:24,795 --> 01:17:26,645
glasses Can't look at it see the. A

2257
01:17:26,645 --> 01:17:28,003
tooth actually thought, but it's fine right now.

2258
01:17:28,403 --> 01:17:29,841
I light gear that you can break and

2259
01:17:29,841 --> 01:17:32,078
you can continue to use. So I wouldn't

2260
01:17:32,078 --> 01:17:33,837
say it's at the level of bomb proof.

2261
01:17:33,997 --> 01:17:35,435
I have 1 little hole in on the

2262
01:17:35,435 --> 01:17:36,488
side or where I think caught it on

2263
01:17:36,488 --> 01:17:38,323
a barb wire fence. But other than that,

2264
01:17:38,882 --> 01:17:39,382
solid

2265
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:43,031
little shirt. Highly recommend the Ka Wind River

2266
01:17:43,190 --> 01:17:45,198
Wind shirt. I It's not for sun, Just

2267
01:17:45,198 --> 01:17:47,429
imagine being an tent in the sun. Soon

2268
01:17:47,429 --> 01:17:48,943
as the hunt sun hits that thing, you

2269
01:17:48,943 --> 01:17:50,829
warm up inside. It's not for that. But

2270
01:17:51,028 --> 01:17:52,774
man, to break the wind just a little

2271
01:17:52,774 --> 01:17:54,363
bit and to be able to hike in

2272
01:17:54,363 --> 01:17:56,109
something and get get rid of a little

2273
01:17:56,109 --> 01:17:57,617
bit of sweat, I'm really happy with it.

2274
01:17:57,855 --> 01:18:00,824
By the way. Our cold board challenge, not

2275
01:18:00,824 --> 01:18:02,824
our cold board challenge but. Our cold bull

2276
01:18:02,824 --> 01:18:04,425
challenge, but our cold board challenge, for rifle.

2277
01:18:04,585 --> 01:18:06,836
We're given 1 away in there, I think

2278
01:18:06,836 --> 01:18:09,223
when I looked yesterday, there was 60 65

2279
01:18:09,223 --> 01:18:11,213
people that were in the challenge. So you

2280
01:18:11,213 --> 01:18:12,725
got good odds of win on that for

2281
01:18:12,725 --> 01:18:14,494
of if anybody that gets it. We'd love

2282
01:18:14,494 --> 01:18:16,432
to hear about it on the rock slide

2283
01:18:17,051 --> 01:18:20,006
clothing sub forum. So there you go, everybody.

2284
01:18:20,326 --> 01:18:22,417
That's my gear wrap up. For this year.

2285
01:18:22,655 --> 01:18:24,011
And if you got any questions, like I

2286
01:18:24,011 --> 01:18:25,286
said, hit me up on rock slide or

2287
01:18:25,286 --> 01:18:27,279
hit me up on Instagram. We will catch

2288
01:18:27,279 --> 01:18:28,076
you internally.

2289
01:18:31,752 --> 01:18:33,261
With the help of sports men and women

2290
01:18:33,261 --> 01:18:35,645
and concerned citizens we can defeat the hunting

2291
01:18:35,645 --> 01:18:37,551
bands here in Colorado. Go to save the

2292
01:18:37,551 --> 01:18:39,458
hunt colorado dot com. Thanks for listening.