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everything Okay. Perfect. Cool. Yep. Well, new I

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Stocking deere not a strong suit for me.

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like, hey, If you wanna You wanna a

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hunt big deer, go hunt with a bow.

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Welcome back to their rock broadcast everyone. It's

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Travis. I've been kinda missing an action a

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little bit.

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Today's guest, I am super excited, D.

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I think everybody knows this guy. He probably

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needs no introduction.

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Dion is the real deal,

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a real hunter

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that just is getting it done on some

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of the, like,

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I think some of the hardest tags that

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you can hunt and getting it done with

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just

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super exceptional dear. So Dion,

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Welcome to the podcast, and I can't wait

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to pick your brain today.

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Thanks, man. You're kinda hype me up cute.

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No. Do dude... Well, I really, like, I

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just love talking you man. You're 1 of

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those guys that just has such a good

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attitude. And I just... Like, I know talking

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to you the work you do and just

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the attitude do you have it really to,

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like, you just know. I'd know, like, Dion

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is gonna be successful. Like, I I just...

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I almost come to expect it. Like, it's

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just awesome, man. So...

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Yeah. So it's just cool. It's cool.

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Accomplish.

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Yeah. The opposite, though, I've I've been expecting

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a bad year for the last few years.

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It's been really tough, but feels like,

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feel like the stars have aligned for me.

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No. Dude you... You're just... You're doing things

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right, man and that's why I wanna have

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you on, and I think

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our listeners can pull stuff. And I mean,

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this is what's

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interesting to me, man. And the guys I

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wanna talk to. I... Like, not to take

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anything away from, like, a guy that's killing

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good bucks every year on the maybe an

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outfit or whatever on the Arizona strip or

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really sought after hard to get where they're

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hunting it with... Dude the guys like,

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I just... I don't care about that. So

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if the guys I really wanna talk to

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and that I really just, like love to

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hear their stories and learn from them or

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just guys owning run of the mill

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over the counter type tags or just tags

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that the general public's getting competing with all

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these people,

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which... I mean, I know some of the

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places you want. That's like that. And that

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you're just getting it done on these, like,

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top 1 percent of deer. And that's what's

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so cool to me. And I think it's

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so cool that... That can still happen in

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today's day and age. You know what I

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mean? And like, what separates

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somebody that's doing that from,

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the guy that's, you know, just been battling

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and not getting it done. Like, I... That's

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what I'm always interested in, like, what people

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know. It's fun, man. What do you think

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about that? What do you think that is?

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Why is their guys like you? Like, how

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do you get that done? What do you

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time that you're to put into it. And

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there's there's no getting around that. The guys

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that are, like, really consistently successful on next

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universally spend a lot of time doing it.

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outside of that, I think the 2 next

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good problem solving ability being able to kinda

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of figure things out. Mh. And and I

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don't know if that second place or or

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third place, but the the next other 1

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would be just relentless optimism

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even when you have no reason to be.

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stay engaged and and keep trying when things

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are tough if you can't just lie to

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yourself and say that. That at any minute.

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At any minute, you're gonna see the biggest

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fuck ever there's. I mean, there's a lot

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of harder days where it's like, man It's

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just this it'd be a lot more fun

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if I like to golf for play basketball.

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You can... Anything else because there's there's

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there's way way way way more days, even

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for the best guys, there's way more days

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that you don't find the big buck than

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there are that you do. For sure. And

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I dude, I could not agree more on

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attitude, Man And, like, as I look just,

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you know, thinking about different guys that I

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know are, like, super successful guys like you,

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they're just are getting it done and, like,

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coming up, like, due to the... That's 1

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thing they always have in common when I

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get the chance to talk. To them. Like,

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they really are, like, they're optimistic. They're looking

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forward to. Dude even if hunting seasons been

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kinda... I don't know. It's been rough, whatever

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and I'm talking to a mid season. They

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still got like that.

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I don't know what it is. It's just...

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burning inside of them that I'm like, I

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know they the... They're gonna get it done,

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that. You know? I... They're just... There has

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to be something about that attitude. Like, I

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think,

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it's like those days

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when you feel defeated, doesn't it kinda feel

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like if you let that slip in that

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you almost are kinda defeated,

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Yeah. I I can't. Like, I... If honestly,

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on some of those days and everybody says

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they tough it out and grind it out.

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yep.

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Head in it and stay engaged. And if

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it if if at the end of 3

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or 4 days, it suck. Like, I Was

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like, okay. I'm going home soon and and

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next week a new a new thing because,

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like, I don't know... You know, it can

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be it can be x. Extra tough if

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you're just getting kicked in the teeth for

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a week or. 10 days or 14 days.

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But a lot of what I do is

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built around, like, okay. This is this is

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my this is my window of... I know

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I can stay engaged and work hard and

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even if it's horrible, I can I can

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tolerate it and it doesn't get me broke

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down?

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For these, you know, that that window of

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of duration, like it. And and I think

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I've just I've built a lot around, you

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know, Okay. Dude do I worry more about

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having a light backpack or creature comforts? Because,

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like, what's gonna keep me? What's gonna keep

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me engaged and keep me? You know, doing

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everything I needed to do to possibly be

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successful. And

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of it. It's just figuring out how you

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can stay positive and how you can stay

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engaged and and keep trying because if you're

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not, I mean, it just doesn't happen otherwise.

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Yeah. And I agree, man. Like, and I'm

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I'm glad to... Like you mentioned the the

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4 day thing, like, 3, 4 days. Because

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I truly believe, like, when I I noticed,

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you know, I go to Colorado and you

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go down there, you know, for the entire

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season usually, Is usually kinda out

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that 6, 7 days in.

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it really there is something. Like, if you've

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been having a rough go, And I'm not

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saying I give up, but I just don't

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think I was the same guy I was

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on day 1234.

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You know what? There's just something

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I And I don't know if it's, like,

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the optimism,

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you know, you had that, like, maybe it

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was a few days. Off or even just

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sometimes go into a new place is like,

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just a I don't know. There's just something

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there.

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You just... I don't know. There's just something

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different that I think that

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internally changes with my attitude

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I don't know what it is.

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If there is something, but I do agree

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that 4 day. I... I'm a big fan

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of that.

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Yeah. Yeah. I I mean, it's just

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if if you're not actively engaged, and I

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can't tell you how many times I've gone

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hunting with other people. And like, guys that

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are in it, they love to do it

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and, like, you just see this fatigue start

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to come over and it may not it

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may not have even been a physical hot,

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and it's just, like you see them be

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less effective instead of

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just, you know, doing all the things they

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know they need to do to be effective.

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Like, you just see this

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this slow compromise

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of

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Well, maybe I'll I'll sleep in this morning

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or maybe I'll do, you know, not not

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get there before the sun's up or not

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get to the absolute best vantage or not

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take advantage of every opportunity available me. Like,

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you just see this slow

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degradation of their ability to be effective. And

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it's, like, it it does does it matter

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on on every time. You might be able

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to get away with.

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Yeah. Over enough hunts in enough days. Like,

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that's probably 1 of the things that that

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makes the difference.

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For sure.

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Well, and, you know, when you talked about...

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I think Robbie mentioned this in the past

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too.

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You know, you start getting tired in your

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war out, You know? And yeah, maybe you're

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not out of bed. Like, in, you know,

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or in your glass spot and didn't let

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nuts not not even talk about being out

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of bed at in time, but like, being

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in your glass spot. Like, you know, for

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that first, that prime time, right, as it's

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getting light and You do see a lot

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of guys. You know, I think they just

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kinda after a while. There's, like, dragging a

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little bit and at all just... I think

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it starts compounding on each other, but, yeah,

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Yeah. Well, that's part of a why I

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love scouting so much because it's it's really

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tough on those hunts where you don't have

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something found. But I noticed for myself, like,

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man, every single trip I can make on

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a scouting trip. I'm excited to go and

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they're... You know, and you never go scouting

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for a week or Yeah. 10 days. So

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it's It's always just these these build yourself

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up, like, have have fun. You know, it's

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gonna be an enjoyable experience. So weather's usually

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nice.

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Get to go out find stuff, and then

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and then once you do have something found,

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Like, once I've got a deer in mind,

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once I've got a target, like, it's way

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easy to hunt for 7 days.

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But so true. That that is

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so true. That was good advice right there.

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Like, it's so true, man. If you have

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something,

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It's a it's a whole different ballgame when

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you were, like, you know something's there and

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it helps immensely. Like, got pre season scouting.

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I couldn't agree more.

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Yeah. But so so, dude, Well, we gotta

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get into the story of last year's dear,

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like I

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so excited.

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Dion found a love for archer hunting. I

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wanna get into all that too. I don't

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know if I love Archer tree I think

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he found out how easy it is. We'll

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say that.

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But no. I'm just super excited. So just

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like, our listeners, I know most of them

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probably followed. You were on the cover Western

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Hunter. So cool, dude. Like, can you kinda

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just start off the top and tell me

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that story. And I even told you the

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last time I talked him like, dude I

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hold on on the details I wanna do

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this on a podcast because I wanna be

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So I I have tried to, like,

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I I know some of it, but I

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I've tried to unplug a little bit. So

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I'm I'm excited

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Well, if I remember, I'd had sent you

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some pictures of poor.

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You did. I was you I was so

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excited for you and when you got killed,

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bike, and I got that picture. I was

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just like our cloud 9 for you, because

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I... It was just so cool, man. Like,

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yeah.

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Man. And just, like, the whole thing's a

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whirlwind, like, it's

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As you and and everybody listens this podcast

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knows. It's been tough. The last 3, 4

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years find goodyear. Especially in Central Idaho. I

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mean, everywhere, but

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but especially in Central Idaho. And I've, you

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know... You earn in every book up there,

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dude. I... That's what I'm telling you. Like,

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I Like give I mean, it's not hard

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to get a tag up there. Like, I

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mean, you that's, like, you can get tags

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up there. You

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you are earning these dear. I guarantee you.

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Yeah. So it's just... It's been tough. And,

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like, by some miracle,

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you it's it's funny because like, I'll go

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all summer scouting in the best buck I've

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seen, you know,

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2 2 years ago, 3 years ago now.

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The... I scout, I think I made 8

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or 9 trips

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And the best luck I'd seen all summer

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long was about a hundred and 40 inch

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year. Mh. And Yeah. And just like, man,

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that's... You know, I'm, I guess I'm not

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shooting anything this year. Yeah. And that was

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kind of the approach I had, and then

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you know, went and and killed a decent

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buck in Wyoming, and then

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Like, man, I've got... I think I got

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a day. Like, I can I can go

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out? I've got a spot I've been looking

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at for a while. You know, peripheral area

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to spot where I've I've seen hundred a

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a lot of good deer.

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And

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and and just, like, I think it was,

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like, September twentieth or something. I'm in their

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glass. And didn't see anything where I was

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in and Was kinda like, okay. I need

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to get head and home. I told the

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wife I'd be home at a certain time,

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and it's like, okay. I've I bet I've

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got 10 minutes.

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Let's let's just

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quick scan the area and try and find

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somewhere else I might be able to look.

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And and I started looking around just looking

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with my spotter at distant ridges.

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And you know, Was I wasn't even thinking

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about trying to spot deer at this point.

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It's just like, okay. Let's take advantage of

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the opportunity to figure out the next spot

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I wanna go look at. Mh.

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And

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and I'm looking at this hill that's close

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to 2 miles away and like, man. I

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think that the deer. It's it's 10:00. So,

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like, stuff's kinda

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Yeah. It's pretty warm September day stuff. Pretty

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much bad up by then usually and

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like, man, that's that's a deer and I

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zoom in on it. Oh, that's a buck,

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And then I'm looking around. There's another box,

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There's another box. And then there's another 1

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Say, oh man. That's a really good book.

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You know, 2 miles away. A little hard

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to judge. Just a little hazy.

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And and I start looking everything over. But,

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no, man. That's right right above where my

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thoughts part.

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Serious.

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Yeah.

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So so Like okay, I'm gonna go that

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direction anyways. So I... I start making my

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way back and I get, I I cut

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a little little better than half the distance,

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and I I was able to turn that

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turn that gear back up again, it's holy

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cow. So at this point, you're about a

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mile, something like that.

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Yeah. Well, I'm I'm a mile from the

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hill and and to the trucks, like, literally

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right under it. So it's like, the whole

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thing just silly. It's a place that had

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absolutely never looked otherwise.

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And and I'm looking at this box. It's

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Holy cow. He's got he's got a big

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frame,

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you know, 21 inch g two's is what

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it ended up being. So it's just, like,

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big frame, week 4, didn't score huge.

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But, like, just, you know, total total locked

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into that year. And same thing the year

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before Was just like, holy cow. I just

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got absolutely lucky,

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didn't turn anything up and then got got

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super lucky right at the last minute finding

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something. Well, that's awesome, man. He's just grinding

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it out and getting it done. Yeah gets

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really cool.

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But I'd had a few years in a

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row like that. It's was like, man. I

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really need to just... I need to I

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need to shuffle the deck and I need

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to go somewhere new. So

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you know, for last year, it's like, totally

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new unit, totally new area,

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and I Like I look things over. And

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I I'm... I'm not a big e scouting

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fan. I mean, you you can learn a

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lot from it, but it it doesn't necessarily

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mean there's gonna be deer there. Even if

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the spot is the best looking spot you've

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ever seen.

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You know, there's just places that don't seem

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to have deer anymore even even if they're

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perfect half. Agree, man. Me to I'm right

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there with you. I... Yep. That's exactly how

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I feel about it too. So I had

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a Had a handful of places picked out,

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and,

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gosh. I think it was...

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It... Might have been first week or so

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a July before the snow melt it off

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enough to get in there. U. And and

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I get in there, you know, just looking

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around not necessarily looking for specific animals but

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looking just generalized looking at at country and

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seeing if there's sign.

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And

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the spot I thought looks looks phenomenal. Definitely

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had everything it needed to have in a

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lot of gear signs. So

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it's pretty pretty optimistic. And then,

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it's actually Scout, a got a really good

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buddy of mine was was playing on Hunting

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with me this year,

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and

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I found this spot and had a advantage

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picked out, and he's actually the first 1

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to put eyes on that book. But

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you know, we we send him in there,

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and he he bill sits where he's telling

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him sit and turned up that buck and

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it's like, holy cow. We we really got

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something here he and how we're talking a

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bunch. It's like, man, this is

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This is... You know, I I didn't get

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eyes on it myself, but,

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looking at what he had. He didn't have

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the greatest pictures of it Like, that's definitely

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significant deer. So made it back in there.

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I made it back in there I think,

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like, 4 days later. I took a day

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off of work. Like I gotta go look

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at that tears. So

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I get I get back in there and

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and sure enough, I get him get him

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in the big 95. He's a mile away,

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and it's like, holy cow. Skyline. It's just

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like, I got it... I filmed it when

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I when I very first found him I

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filmed that and he's

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and just incredible. Like, holy cow this is

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a huge deer.

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And

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you know, I've had I've had really good

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luck for the last bunch of years of

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fine gear and then keeping on them till

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October.

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And I was like, okay. Well, you know,

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I I don't wanna I haven't I've never

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killed a deer with a bow before. So

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like I wasn't even a thought in my

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mind. And dion... Let me interrupted you. You...

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What what what time of year... So what

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when was this? This was early July. Right?

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I think it was a week after I

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made my first trip in there. So it,

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like July twentieth. Okay. So you're about mid

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July this time you're film. Yep. Okay. Alright.

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I just Yeah. And then I think when

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I... When I went in there with, like,

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maybe 4 days later so 20 fourth 20

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fifth something like that. Cool.

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And

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Yeah. So, you know, just phenomenal buck, and

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it's, like, okay. Well, not not even a

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thought in my mind to Bo on him

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at this time. Like, I'm gonna I'm gonna

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just I'm gonna watch this here so much

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that there's, you know, no doubt. I know

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what he does where he lives, how he

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operates, and then come October when he tightens

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everything up and gets harder to find. It's

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like, it won't even matter. Because I'll just

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have, you know, I'll spend 10 or 15

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days watching the deer. Was kinda my thought.

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And at this point, was he pretty ba

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up? Like, in middle of July, like, did

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did... Was it kinda hard to tell, like,

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kinda how he was gonna finish up where

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his points kinda ball up

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he looked pretty close to finished Okay. Like,

524
00:18:09,829 --> 00:18:11,736
he I... He was ball up, but it

525
00:18:11,736 --> 00:18:13,245
didn't look like they were... Get it go.

526
00:18:13,404 --> 00:18:15,152
Yeah know. He looked like he was 95

527
00:18:15,152 --> 00:18:17,392
percent away there. Cool. And,

528
00:18:18,585 --> 00:18:20,175
yeah. So it's like, he he he looked

529
00:18:20,175 --> 00:18:22,083
like he drove a little bit. I honestly

530
00:18:22,083 --> 00:18:24,070
figured... I thought he was a lot smaller

531
00:18:24,070 --> 00:18:25,875
when I first found him, I just didn't

532
00:18:26,074 --> 00:18:27,830
it didn't register in my brain how much

533
00:18:27,830 --> 00:18:29,986
mass he had. Yeah. Yeah. And

534
00:18:31,343 --> 00:18:33,099
yeah. I thought he was low 1 nineties

535
00:18:33,099 --> 00:18:33,578
at first.

536
00:18:35,347 --> 00:18:36,720
But, yeah, Watched him

537
00:18:37,173 --> 00:18:39,237
watched him quite a bit sent some pictures

538
00:18:39,237 --> 00:18:41,221
to just a small handful of people.

539
00:18:41,856 --> 00:18:45,302
You, Yep. Robbie, my buddy gets c. Yeah.

540
00:18:46,101 --> 00:18:47,220
And then I don't know if you know

541
00:18:47,299 --> 00:18:49,936
Henry Ferguson I. Yeah. Yeah first too. Yep.

542
00:18:50,256 --> 00:18:50,756
So.

543
00:18:52,268 --> 00:18:54,104
Yeah. That was pretty much it. That was

544
00:18:54,104 --> 00:18:55,621
like, that was the people that knew about

545
00:18:55,621 --> 00:18:57,616
this year other than, you know, a couple

546
00:18:57,616 --> 00:18:59,792
a couple other the really close buddies. And

547
00:19:01,143 --> 00:19:03,217
And, yeah. So, like, I had I had

548
00:19:03,296 --> 00:19:05,450
James and Henry just badger me about, oh,

549
00:19:05,529 --> 00:19:06,646
man. You need a bow on him. You

550
00:19:06,646 --> 00:19:08,161
need a bow on him. And it like,

551
00:19:08,401 --> 00:19:09,379
not even a

552
00:19:09,756 --> 00:19:09,916
consideration.

553
00:19:11,287 --> 00:19:11,766
For me,

554
00:19:12,564 --> 00:19:13,920
to try to think about Bo on it.

555
00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:15,835
So deal and Yeah, You gotta talk about...

556
00:19:15,995 --> 00:19:18,011
Have you up to this point

557
00:19:18,562 --> 00:19:20,391
bla, you've never bow on it. Is that...

558
00:19:20,550 --> 00:19:22,698
Or you have? Did... Had you bow hunted

559
00:19:22,698 --> 00:19:24,846
not really? Is if fire right?

560
00:19:25,418 --> 00:19:27,571
I'd killed... I'd killed a handful l. Okay.

561
00:19:27,810 --> 00:19:29,405
I used to shoot I used to shoot

562
00:19:29,405 --> 00:19:31,717
both a lot. Okay. I'd I'd do shoot

563
00:19:31,717 --> 00:19:34,997
everything Okay. Perfect. Cool. Yep. Well, new I

564
00:19:34,997 --> 00:19:36,506
knew my way around a bow, but I

565
00:19:36,506 --> 00:19:38,810
also knew I'm probably the least sneaky personal

566
00:19:38,810 --> 00:19:40,105
lie. So

567
00:19:41,750 --> 00:19:42,250
so

568
00:19:43,116 --> 00:19:45,420
stocking deere not a strong suit for me.

569
00:19:45,579 --> 00:19:47,088
I'd I'd bow hunted deer in the past,

570
00:19:47,168 --> 00:19:48,757
and then I came to the conclusion that

571
00:19:48,757 --> 00:19:50,601
like, hey, If you wanna You wanna hunt

572
00:19:50,601 --> 00:19:52,275
big deer, go hunt with a bow, she

573
00:19:52,275 --> 00:19:54,267
wanna kill big deer, Go home with a

574
00:19:54,267 --> 00:19:54,586
rifle.

575
00:19:55,144 --> 00:19:55,383
Anyway.

576
00:19:56,180 --> 00:19:56,817
That's awesome.

577
00:19:57,948 --> 00:19:58,426
So

578
00:19:59,462 --> 00:20:01,135
yeah. It was getting to be, like, mid

579
00:20:01,214 --> 00:20:01,692
August,

580
00:20:02,250 --> 00:20:03,684
felt really good about, like,

581
00:20:04,321 --> 00:20:06,712
understanding the buck, knowing 1 know how how

582
00:20:06,712 --> 00:20:07,840
he works. And

583
00:20:08,794 --> 00:20:10,462
and dan I'm sorry, I'm gonna keep interrupting

584
00:20:10,462 --> 00:20:12,051
any other questions. But did you feel like

585
00:20:12,051 --> 00:20:14,197
he was pretty secured? Like, do you feel

586
00:20:14,197 --> 00:20:15,388
like there was gonna be...

587
00:20:16,277 --> 00:20:18,341
Pressure in there. Like, how did you feel

588
00:20:18,341 --> 00:20:20,563
about, like, security wise and him sit until

589
00:20:20,881 --> 00:20:23,047
October? Maybe you're gonna get to that, but

590
00:20:23,754 --> 00:20:26,307
Man, I felt like this buck had... I

591
00:20:26,307 --> 00:20:28,461
mean, it it was a pretty visible spot

592
00:20:28,461 --> 00:20:29,179
honestly it Okay.

593
00:20:29,977 --> 00:20:30,477
But

594
00:20:31,109 --> 00:20:33,604
Man, I... Every big book I've ever hunted

595
00:20:33,742 --> 00:20:34,801
is so

596
00:20:35,498 --> 00:20:35,998
faithful

597
00:20:36,376 --> 00:20:39,501
to their area. Mh. It it... Like, people

598
00:20:39,501 --> 00:20:41,172
talk about bucks disappearing.

599
00:20:41,808 --> 00:20:43,797
And, man, I think, at at least in

600
00:20:43,876 --> 00:20:46,501
Mountainous terrain, where where deer don't migrate out

601
00:20:46,501 --> 00:20:49,141
till late October. I just don't believe it.

602
00:20:49,300 --> 00:20:51,050
I I don't... I've never seen it. I

603
00:20:51,050 --> 00:20:52,902
don't believe it. I think

604
00:20:53,753 --> 00:20:55,742
I think the place where a buck lives,

605
00:20:56,314 --> 00:20:58,065
is part of its tech. Like, it's part

606
00:20:58,065 --> 00:20:58,941
of its spot.

607
00:20:59,498 --> 00:20:59,737
Yes.

608
00:21:00,932 --> 00:21:04,196
Playbook for survival, and especially if they get

609
00:21:04,196 --> 00:21:06,830
older, Like, if you've got AA5678

610
00:21:06,830 --> 00:21:09,393
year old buck, it's been its whole life

611
00:21:10,162 --> 00:21:12,796
surviving in that spot. Yep. So, like, to...

612
00:21:12,955 --> 00:21:14,566
If if something bad happens

613
00:21:15,099 --> 00:21:18,037
or they get pressure something weird happens. Like,

614
00:21:18,275 --> 00:21:20,419
it's number 1234

615
00:21:20,419 --> 00:21:22,444
and 5. Plan for survival

616
00:21:22,899 --> 00:21:26,400
incorporates that area. Yes. Like, that's how it

617
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,707
stayed alive at life. Yes. At least all

618
00:21:28,707 --> 00:21:29,764
the bucks I've hunted

619
00:21:30,394 --> 00:21:30,714
And

620
00:21:31,593 --> 00:21:33,191
I don't think that they're quick to leave

621
00:21:33,191 --> 00:21:34,070
that. Mh.

622
00:21:34,949 --> 00:21:35,428
I agree.

623
00:21:36,707 --> 00:21:39,034
So my thought was, like, okay I just

624
00:21:39,034 --> 00:21:40,859
really know everything this buck does,

625
00:21:41,494 --> 00:21:42,843
when it gets later in the year and

626
00:21:42,843 --> 00:21:44,668
he sheds Velvet, and he tightens up his

627
00:21:44,668 --> 00:21:45,168
program.

628
00:21:45,540 --> 00:21:47,465
If Like, I'm gonna know what this deal

629
00:21:47,465 --> 00:21:48,818
likes to do anyways. Yep.

630
00:21:50,331 --> 00:21:50,831
So

631
00:21:51,445 --> 00:21:52,878
that was my thought. I then to get

632
00:21:52,878 --> 00:21:54,788
older of Robbie and start talking with him

633
00:21:54,788 --> 00:21:57,273
and and I honestly feel like Robbie is

634
00:21:57,273 --> 00:21:59,265
probably 1 of the best ear hunters alive,

635
00:21:59,425 --> 00:22:02,294
and he'll he'll do anything with anything if

636
00:22:02,294 --> 00:22:03,171
if it's his best...

637
00:22:03,822 --> 00:22:05,486
Chance at killing a big buck. So, like,

638
00:22:05,566 --> 00:22:07,230
when when Ravi says something to me it

639
00:22:07,230 --> 00:22:09,053
carries a lot more weight than almost anybody.

640
00:22:09,290 --> 00:22:09,607
Mh.

641
00:22:10,479 --> 00:22:12,650
And he all... I mean, I might be

642
00:22:12,650 --> 00:22:14,570
mis remembering how it came across, but it

643
00:22:14,570 --> 00:22:15,930
felt like he all, but called me an

644
00:22:15,930 --> 00:22:17,769
idiot for not even thinking about bo hunting

645
00:22:17,769 --> 00:22:18,089
this year.

646
00:22:18,823 --> 00:22:19,460
Yeah. So...

647
00:22:20,732 --> 00:22:22,187
Yeah. I like believe

648
00:22:23,198 --> 00:22:25,187
then I find myself. I think it was

649
00:22:25,267 --> 00:22:27,272
August. Sixteenth. I think I talked to him

650
00:22:27,272 --> 00:22:28,626
on the fourteenth or fifteenth.

651
00:22:29,263 --> 00:22:31,812
And then August sixteenth, I found myself a

652
00:22:31,812 --> 00:22:32,051
bow.

653
00:22:34,774 --> 00:22:36,532
And it's like, okay. I gotta... You know,

654
00:22:36,931 --> 00:22:39,568
I even made bracelets years ago that say,

655
00:22:40,047 --> 00:22:41,565
it was a joke. Yeah. What would all

656
00:22:41,565 --> 00:22:44,050
be didn't do. What would Robbie do. Yeah.

657
00:22:44,210 --> 00:22:45,346
So it's like

658
00:22:45,721 --> 00:22:46,915
Robbie has spoken.

659
00:22:48,427 --> 00:22:50,814
So that's all. You know. Do what Robbie

660
00:22:50,814 --> 00:22:52,503
would do and it's like, okay. Well, I've

661
00:22:52,503 --> 00:22:54,099
better I better get this figured out. So

662
00:22:54,259 --> 00:22:56,494
I get a bow, August sixteenth, and then

663
00:22:56,494 --> 00:22:59,527
it's, like, just mad rush shooting 2 or

664
00:22:59,527 --> 00:23:00,405
3 times a day.

665
00:23:01,059 --> 00:23:03,614
Every day. Yeah. Leaves opens in 14 days.

666
00:23:04,651 --> 00:23:06,886
Yeah. I leaned on James Yet. It's pretty

667
00:23:06,886 --> 00:23:08,722
hard. Just like, tell me what to buy.

668
00:23:08,962 --> 00:23:11,290
U. So You know, he got he got

669
00:23:11,290 --> 00:23:12,646
me set up, and

670
00:23:13,762 --> 00:23:15,436
and, man, it was it was a whirlwind,

671
00:23:15,596 --> 00:23:17,908
like, just just getting everything ready, and then,

672
00:23:19,279 --> 00:23:21,676
and season showed up, and even even that

673
00:23:21,676 --> 00:23:23,514
was nuts. Like, the day I left, it

674
00:23:23,514 --> 00:23:26,152
was, you know, get home, I work worked

675
00:23:26,152 --> 00:23:28,403
04:10. So it's like I get home, Mow

676
00:23:28,403 --> 00:23:31,114
lawns, spray weed. Yeah. You know, make make

677
00:23:31,114 --> 00:23:33,187
dinner for the family. Do all those dads

678
00:23:33,187 --> 00:23:35,499
duties. Yeah. All the dad duties this is

679
00:23:35,499 --> 00:23:36,456
day before season.

680
00:23:37,187 --> 00:23:37,583
And

681
00:23:38,138 --> 00:23:39,484
and it's like, okay. I got I gotta

682
00:23:39,484 --> 00:23:41,148
a mountain the things I gotta do,

683
00:23:42,020 --> 00:23:43,684
and before I can even leave,

684
00:23:44,413 --> 00:23:44,809
and

685
00:23:45,683 --> 00:23:47,192
you know, take off... I took off at,

686
00:23:47,272 --> 00:23:48,463
like, 09:00 at night,

687
00:23:49,257 --> 00:23:49,654
and

688
00:23:50,369 --> 00:23:52,037
you know, get up there expecting to get

689
00:23:52,037 --> 00:23:54,540
in, sometime a little bit after midnight

690
00:23:56,347 --> 00:23:58,972
first went through that day. Oh, yeah. Hold

691
00:23:58,972 --> 00:23:59,211
burn.

692
00:23:59,945 --> 00:24:01,465
I ended up cutting out. I wanna say

693
00:24:01,465 --> 00:24:03,225
it was like 70 trees. I had to

694
00:24:03,225 --> 00:24:04,505
cut out of the road to get in.

695
00:24:05,305 --> 00:24:07,785
Damn. Oh, it was it was 03:00 in

696
00:24:07,785 --> 00:24:10,114
the morning. I think it was 02:30 maybe

697
00:24:10,114 --> 00:24:11,946
03:00 in the morning before I got into

698
00:24:11,946 --> 00:24:12,504
camp. Now.

699
00:24:13,460 --> 00:24:16,327
And but I was totally committed, like, yeah.

700
00:24:16,566 --> 00:24:17,942
Free and it probably

701
00:24:18,571 --> 00:24:20,159
Yeah. I probably should've have mentioned it earlier,

702
00:24:20,318 --> 00:24:22,065
but I I learned my lesson in the

703
00:24:22,065 --> 00:24:22,565
past

704
00:24:23,971 --> 00:24:25,877
about about being all in on a deer,

705
00:24:26,369 --> 00:24:27,888
I had a I had a handful of

706
00:24:27,888 --> 00:24:29,246
pretty good out of state tags.

707
00:24:29,966 --> 00:24:32,044
And and once I had this buck found,

708
00:24:32,203 --> 00:24:34,281
it's like, man, I'm not doing anything this

709
00:24:34,281 --> 00:24:36,694
year but killed that deer. So I actually

710
00:24:36,694 --> 00:24:38,931
turned in... I returned some pretty good draw

711
00:24:38,931 --> 00:24:39,431
tags

712
00:24:40,849 --> 00:24:42,927
before season even started because it's, like, I

713
00:24:42,927 --> 00:24:44,765
don't even wanna have the temptation to think

714
00:24:44,765 --> 00:24:47,330
about doing any else because every every second

715
00:24:47,330 --> 00:24:49,479
of vacation, every window my wife will get

716
00:24:49,479 --> 00:24:51,547
me to leave, like, every everything I have

717
00:24:51,547 --> 00:24:53,792
is going towards this year. Dude that's some

718
00:24:53,792 --> 00:24:55,866
good advice right there at all the listeners.

719
00:24:56,105 --> 00:24:56,265
Like,

720
00:24:57,062 --> 00:24:58,578
I mean, that's a hard thing to do.

721
00:24:58,817 --> 00:25:01,529
I I I've struggled with it getting too

722
00:25:01,529 --> 00:25:02,826
many tags and

723
00:25:03,857 --> 00:25:04,916
dude you didn't focus

724
00:25:05,294 --> 00:25:07,768
and dude that was smart, man. That was

725
00:25:07,768 --> 00:25:08,326
so smart.

726
00:25:09,683 --> 00:25:10,002
Yeah.

727
00:25:11,294 --> 00:25:13,288
So, yeah. Like, opening night, I'm just... I'm

728
00:25:13,288 --> 00:25:15,680
a mess. I'm super tired. Been a long

729
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:15,919
week,

730
00:25:16,557 --> 00:25:19,028
and then, set the alarm for 05:00 in

731
00:25:19,028 --> 00:25:20,795
the morning so I can can get over

732
00:25:20,795 --> 00:25:21,430
to my vantage.

733
00:25:22,224 --> 00:25:22,700
And

734
00:25:23,812 --> 00:25:26,273
I've seen this dear pretty much every time

735
00:25:26,352 --> 00:25:27,994
I've gone to look for him. He was

736
00:25:28,194 --> 00:25:29,954
he was honest and pretty easy to find.

737
00:25:30,755 --> 00:25:31,255
And

738
00:25:32,674 --> 00:25:34,515
yeah. Opening morning. I didn't see him though.

739
00:25:34,914 --> 00:25:35,974
I, I didn't

740
00:25:36,674 --> 00:25:38,285
I didn't see him I didn't see him

741
00:25:38,285 --> 00:25:40,115
most of the day, and I ended up

742
00:25:40,115 --> 00:25:42,343
making a big move and changing advantages and

743
00:25:42,343 --> 00:25:43,457
running into another hunter,

744
00:25:44,650 --> 00:25:46,082
and it's actually a guy I knew.

745
00:25:47,924 --> 00:25:50,783
There's a whole. Yeah. Funny story, but I

746
00:25:50,783 --> 00:25:52,211
actually had a face mask on when he

747
00:25:52,211 --> 00:25:54,752
walked up to me. And I kinda tried

748
00:25:54,752 --> 00:25:56,356
to change my voice. Because I knew it's

749
00:25:56,595 --> 00:25:57,232
I don't really have.

750
00:25:58,664 --> 00:26:00,575
Don't really have anything else. So it's, like,

751
00:26:00,734 --> 00:26:03,383
here I am sitting with with Ml peers

752
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,775
because on a tripod gloss at a basin,

753
00:26:06,414 --> 00:26:08,095
and I'm I'm telling him a mel hunting.

754
00:26:09,134 --> 00:26:09,634
So

755
00:26:12,509 --> 00:26:14,421
And if he knows you he knows better

756
00:26:14,421 --> 00:26:14,978
than that.

757
00:26:15,775 --> 00:26:17,528
Yeah. It was a whole it was a

758
00:26:17,528 --> 00:26:19,280
whole thing. He he's a super good, guy.

759
00:26:19,772 --> 00:26:21,204
We didn't know each other's super well, but

760
00:26:21,284 --> 00:26:22,477
I knew I knew who he was, and

761
00:26:22,477 --> 00:26:23,909
he definitely wouldn't known who I was if

762
00:26:23,988 --> 00:26:25,500
I didn't have a face mask on, but...

763
00:26:26,295 --> 00:26:28,454
I Yeah. I actually ended up not finding

764
00:26:28,454 --> 00:26:31,234
that book till right at last light that

765
00:26:31,234 --> 00:26:32,425
night, opening day,

766
00:26:33,219 --> 00:26:33,695
and

767
00:26:34,092 --> 00:26:35,760
it didn't seem like like a great off...

768
00:26:36,014 --> 00:26:38,092
Opportunity. And at this point, I wasn't sure

769
00:26:38,092 --> 00:26:39,530
he knew about that deer, and it's like

770
00:26:39,609 --> 00:26:41,527
I still wanted to play everything conservative. Like,

771
00:26:41,607 --> 00:26:43,045
in the back of my mind, it was

772
00:26:43,045 --> 00:26:45,210
still, like. I'll I'll I'll play around with

773
00:26:45,210 --> 00:26:47,835
this though thing, but I'm I'm I'm probably

774
00:26:47,835 --> 00:26:49,346
gonna kill him with a rifle. Okay. I'm

775
00:26:49,346 --> 00:26:49,585
with you.

776
00:26:50,794 --> 00:26:53,591
And would had he move far? Like, from,

777
00:26:54,151 --> 00:26:56,548
Mean... So you just kinda changed your vantage

778
00:26:56,548 --> 00:26:58,626
point? He just was just in a spot

779
00:26:58,626 --> 00:26:59,126
maybe.

780
00:26:59,585 --> 00:26:59,745
Yep.

781
00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:02,797
Backside of the same hill. Okay. And

782
00:27:03,995 --> 00:27:06,073
yeah. So, like, everything's good. I'm watching the

783
00:27:06,073 --> 00:27:07,910
buck. It's it's getting close to the dark,

784
00:27:08,803 --> 00:27:10,552
And I'm getting ready to pack stuff up.

785
00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:12,802
I've been just video in the buck

786
00:27:13,415 --> 00:27:14,210
through the spotter.

787
00:27:14,767 --> 00:27:17,311
And I bumped my spotting scope with my

788
00:27:17,311 --> 00:27:18,107
phone on it still.

789
00:27:18,996 --> 00:27:19,473
And

790
00:27:20,347 --> 00:27:22,095
and I can see this guy skyline above

791
00:27:22,095 --> 00:27:22,571
the bush.

792
00:27:23,207 --> 00:27:24,240
Oh, it's like, oh,

793
00:27:25,273 --> 00:27:26,782
this is is bad news.

794
00:27:27,593 --> 00:27:29,662
And like, he's got his bow out and

795
00:27:29,662 --> 00:27:31,095
he's seeking in on it. It's like, wow,

796
00:27:31,334 --> 00:27:32,709
I guess that takes all the

797
00:27:33,721 --> 00:27:36,587
oh away. I didn't know this question out

798
00:27:36,587 --> 00:27:39,157
of it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I... Well, he

799
00:27:39,157 --> 00:27:41,155
definitely knows about the buck, and he's definitely

800
00:27:41,155 --> 00:27:42,534
about to shoot it. So

801
00:27:43,633 --> 00:27:45,071
you know, And I just... It's like, well,

802
00:27:45,471 --> 00:27:46,510
I'm all I can do is say here.

803
00:27:46,923 --> 00:27:49,458
I sat there and and I got everything

804
00:27:49,458 --> 00:27:50,805
set back up, and I just filmed him.

805
00:27:51,043 --> 00:27:53,023
I filmed him stocking in on it, and

806
00:27:53,023 --> 00:27:54,710
then I filmed him. So The first time

807
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:55,990
he shot at it, and I filmed him

808
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:58,230
the second time he shot at it, and

809
00:27:58,230 --> 00:28:01,029
it was getting, like, it was getting dark.

810
00:28:01,284 --> 00:28:03,039
Like, right at the end of what I

811
00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:04,873
could... I mean, it's totally legal shooting hours

812
00:28:04,873 --> 00:28:06,628
still that it was getting... Was the fuck

813
00:28:06,628 --> 00:28:08,383
out of the or was he in his

814
00:28:08,383 --> 00:28:10,456
bed still? What was he doing? He was

815
00:28:10,456 --> 00:28:13,411
bed. Okay. You that Okay. And he stopped

816
00:28:13,411 --> 00:28:15,395
in on him. And like I said he

817
00:28:15,395 --> 00:28:17,776
shot at him twice. It it looked like

818
00:28:17,776 --> 00:28:18,332
the deer was...

819
00:28:19,063 --> 00:28:20,898
Okay, but it's, like, the the second shots.

820
00:28:21,058 --> 00:28:22,813
I, got. He he might have hit it.

821
00:28:23,132 --> 00:28:25,126
Arrows don't hit him like, bullets Yeah. So

822
00:28:25,126 --> 00:28:25,445
it's like,

823
00:28:26,257 --> 00:28:27,848
Man, I don't know. And then I filmed

824
00:28:27,848 --> 00:28:29,359
him, I... You know, when the buck got

825
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:30,711
up and ran, I had him for, like,

826
00:28:30,871 --> 00:28:33,271
80 yards running, which is, like, if it

827
00:28:33,271 --> 00:28:34,861
had been if it had been another 40

828
00:28:34,861 --> 00:28:36,529
yards farther I'd have been more confident, But,

829
00:28:36,609 --> 00:28:38,596
like, they could run 80 yards really strong

830
00:28:38,596 --> 00:28:39,470
with a good shot.

831
00:28:40,994 --> 00:28:44,194
So I was just wreck. Like, absolutely just

832
00:28:44,727 --> 00:28:47,904
a complete in total basket case rack, that

833
00:28:47,904 --> 00:28:49,810
whole night thinking, like, I don't know if

834
00:28:49,810 --> 00:28:50,702
you shot him. I didn't...

835
00:28:51,499 --> 00:28:51,738
Like,

836
00:28:52,456 --> 00:28:54,050
a big part of me wanted to hike

837
00:28:54,050 --> 00:28:55,884
up there to where he was and looks

838
00:28:55,884 --> 00:28:58,927
replied. Yeah. But big man. I got I

839
00:28:58,927 --> 00:29:01,547
gotta be respectful because, like, as much as

840
00:29:01,627 --> 00:29:03,611
I want this year. I know I know

841
00:29:03,611 --> 00:29:06,073
this guy. He's scouts all summer. He's he's

842
00:29:06,073 --> 00:29:07,660
super good, dude. He's a great honor. Yeah.

843
00:29:07,914 --> 00:29:09,430
Like, I know this guy... I know this

844
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:10,705
guy wants it just in fat as me

845
00:29:10,705 --> 00:29:12,141
and I'm not gonna do anything you screw

846
00:29:12,141 --> 00:29:13,976
them up. Yeah. Especially if that buck wounded,

847
00:29:14,693 --> 00:29:16,448
especially if that buck wounded just outside of

848
00:29:16,448 --> 00:29:18,056
where I could see him. It's you know,

849
00:29:18,135 --> 00:29:19,963
running. It's like, I'm not I'm not gonna

850
00:29:19,963 --> 00:29:22,108
actively do anything to screw up somebody else's

851
00:29:22,108 --> 00:29:23,617
hot. Yeah. For sure. So,

852
00:29:24,824 --> 00:29:26,423
It's like, I just... I I went back

853
00:29:26,423 --> 00:29:28,660
to camp and didn't sleep at all.

854
00:29:29,779 --> 00:29:31,937
And then got up at 5 05:00 the

855
00:29:31,937 --> 00:29:34,390
next morning and and went back into my

856
00:29:34,669 --> 00:29:35,705
into my glass spot.

857
00:29:36,422 --> 00:29:36,661
And,

858
00:29:38,335 --> 00:29:40,407
man, I was so nervous. In that next

859
00:29:40,407 --> 00:29:40,806
morning,

860
00:29:41,443 --> 00:29:43,449
he took me don't know. Maybe a half

861
00:29:43,449 --> 00:29:46,394
hour, 45 minutes after sun up to find

862
00:29:46,394 --> 00:29:48,941
the buck and it's sure enough, like I

863
00:29:48,941 --> 00:29:50,707
was able to find him. I Right? Where

864
00:29:50,787 --> 00:29:52,778
I've been watching him all summer. So I

865
00:29:52,778 --> 00:29:56,044
still shot twice and didn't didn't leave. Yeah.

866
00:29:57,159 --> 00:29:58,513
That was a good feeling I bet.

867
00:29:59,564 --> 00:30:01,580
It was it was a tremendous feeling

868
00:30:01,958 --> 00:30:04,910
until it registered that, oh, man, this book

869
00:30:04,910 --> 00:30:06,027
just skyline himself.

870
00:30:07,316 --> 00:30:09,461
Anybody who's looking for this year probably just

871
00:30:09,461 --> 00:30:11,288
saw them. Got gotcha. So now I've got

872
00:30:11,288 --> 00:30:12,639
this in the back of my mind. It's

873
00:30:12,639 --> 00:30:12,798
like,

874
00:30:13,513 --> 00:30:15,765
oh, You know, Like, and and after the

875
00:30:15,765 --> 00:30:17,765
last night, watching him shoot at it, like,

876
00:30:17,924 --> 00:30:19,284
oh, no, now I have to try.

877
00:30:19,845 --> 00:30:21,444
Because my thought was, like, if nobody else

878
00:30:21,444 --> 00:30:23,874
is hunting this year, Like, do a slam

879
00:30:23,930 --> 00:30:24,327
setup,

880
00:30:24,963 --> 00:30:26,655
I'll try it. But

881
00:30:27,506 --> 00:30:30,383
at no point in in any... Like, lead

882
00:30:30,383 --> 00:30:31,819
up to this was I like, oh, man.

883
00:30:32,058 --> 00:30:33,334
I'm gonna go hard on it with the

884
00:30:33,334 --> 00:30:34,929
bow. It's like, I'll I'll try with the

885
00:30:34,929 --> 00:30:37,402
bow. I'll be there. Yep. And put a

886
00:30:37,402 --> 00:30:38,997
real effort into it, but I'm not gonna

887
00:30:38,997 --> 00:30:39,795
push anything.

888
00:30:40,368 --> 00:30:41,805
Well, as soon as I saw him shoot

889
00:30:41,805 --> 00:30:43,959
at the buck, it's like, well, man, now

890
00:30:44,038 --> 00:30:46,512
I really, really got a try. Mh. And,

891
00:30:47,724 --> 00:30:49,424
So was like, I see the buck skyline

892
00:30:49,484 --> 00:30:50,845
himself. He's in a basin and I've watched

893
00:30:50,845 --> 00:30:52,125
him in 3 or 4 times.

894
00:30:53,085 --> 00:30:53,565
And

895
00:30:54,619 --> 00:30:56,059
It's like, I got I gotta I gotta

896
00:30:56,059 --> 00:30:57,579
get up there. Like, I gotta get in

897
00:30:57,579 --> 00:31:00,700
position. I'm he used 2 or 3 different

898
00:31:00,700 --> 00:31:01,019
beds.

899
00:31:01,834 --> 00:31:03,911
That were all within, like, 50 yards of

900
00:31:03,911 --> 00:31:04,870
each other. So it's like, man,

901
00:31:06,148 --> 00:31:07,507
I've bet money that he's gonna bed in

902
00:31:07,507 --> 00:31:08,726
1 of those beds again

903
00:31:09,198 --> 00:31:11,028
Yep. So I'm gonna get up there and

904
00:31:11,028 --> 00:31:13,495
get in a semi conservative position, and then

905
00:31:13,495 --> 00:31:15,882
when the wind gets right, I'll just start

906
00:31:15,882 --> 00:31:17,394
stocking in, like he's in 1 of those

907
00:31:17,394 --> 00:31:17,553
beds.

908
00:31:18,841 --> 00:31:19,341
And

909
00:31:20,273 --> 00:31:22,580
so do you at this point, you move,

910
00:31:22,740 --> 00:31:24,035
he's up feeding

911
00:31:24,649 --> 00:31:27,036
kind of heading towards at those beds. Right?

912
00:31:27,529 --> 00:31:28,886
Yep. Okay. Yep.

913
00:31:30,323 --> 00:31:30,823
So

914
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,196
that was that was the game plan. Like,

915
00:31:33,356 --> 00:31:35,192
get in get in position, get the wind

916
00:31:35,192 --> 00:31:35,910
right, and then...

917
00:31:36,482 --> 00:31:38,542
Just pretend. I no worries at. Gotcha.

918
00:31:39,572 --> 00:31:39,968
And

919
00:31:40,681 --> 00:31:42,503
when I did, and everything felt really good,

920
00:31:42,583 --> 00:31:44,186
like I'm like, man he's if he's there.

921
00:31:44,345 --> 00:31:46,016
Like, I was really sneaky getting in.

922
00:31:47,051 --> 00:31:48,165
Everything felt pretty good.

923
00:31:48,802 --> 00:31:50,235
And then I get right to the edge

924
00:31:50,235 --> 00:31:51,667
of where I think I'm gonna be able

925
00:31:51,667 --> 00:31:53,434
to see where this buck is. If like,

926
00:31:53,593 --> 00:31:55,585
maybe a hundred yards out of of where

927
00:31:55,664 --> 00:31:56,939
I think he should be.

928
00:31:57,974 --> 00:31:58,474
And

929
00:31:59,249 --> 00:31:59,988
and then,

930
00:32:00,697 --> 00:32:02,527
I hear him blow out. He's 50 yards

931
00:32:02,527 --> 00:32:03,879
away blown behind me.

932
00:32:04,913 --> 00:32:05,413
And

933
00:32:05,867 --> 00:32:08,492
then I really got, like, oh, man. This

934
00:32:08,492 --> 00:32:11,080
is... This is not good. Like, this is

935
00:32:11,856 --> 00:32:13,611
this is a problem. And

936
00:32:14,169 --> 00:32:16,242
the bucks running off, and I've just got

937
00:32:16,242 --> 00:32:18,930
every every bad negative emotion and thought going

938
00:32:19,049 --> 00:32:19,606
through my mind.

939
00:32:21,595 --> 00:32:23,425
Like, I... Yeah. I just ruined it. Like,

940
00:32:23,663 --> 00:32:23,982
you know,

941
00:32:25,096 --> 00:32:27,323
I'm I'm as confident as anybody, the big

942
00:32:27,323 --> 00:32:28,931
deer don't leave through this fuck got shot

943
00:32:28,931 --> 00:32:30,127
at yesterday. Mh.

944
00:32:30,764 --> 00:32:33,474
And then he winded me, saw me, and

945
00:32:33,554 --> 00:32:35,467
I blew him out from 50 yards today,

946
00:32:35,626 --> 00:32:37,312
Like... But man, that's gonna be a law

947
00:32:37,312 --> 00:32:38,743
for him to tolerate for sure.

948
00:32:40,015 --> 00:32:40,492
And

949
00:32:41,605 --> 00:32:43,037
and it's just like, well, man. I I

950
00:32:43,037 --> 00:32:44,964
got I got, like, I got no other

951
00:32:44,964 --> 00:32:47,044
play. Like, I'm gonna I'm gonna stay up

952
00:32:47,044 --> 00:32:47,544
here

953
00:32:47,845 --> 00:32:48,345
and

954
00:32:49,125 --> 00:32:50,265
stay in position

955
00:32:50,804 --> 00:32:51,304
and

956
00:32:51,765 --> 00:32:53,524
hope that this buck turns back up in

957
00:32:53,524 --> 00:32:55,537
a in a location, I can see him

958
00:32:55,537 --> 00:32:56,816
from up here. And then if it does

959
00:32:56,816 --> 00:32:57,215
happen,

960
00:32:58,014 --> 00:32:59,612
I can... I'll I'll be in a good

961
00:32:59,612 --> 00:33:01,390
spot to take advantage of it. Because

962
00:33:01,704 --> 00:33:02,983
in in the back of my mind, all

963
00:33:03,143 --> 00:33:03,862
I can think about it is was like,

964
00:33:04,022 --> 00:33:05,940
I gotta I gotta head home tonight.

965
00:33:06,500 --> 00:33:08,417
So I can be home to watch my

966
00:33:08,417 --> 00:33:10,176
kid the next day. I gotta take my

967
00:33:10,176 --> 00:33:11,430
daughter's at school and then I gotta watch

968
00:33:11,549 --> 00:33:11,948
my son,

969
00:33:12,586 --> 00:33:14,101
the next day. So it's like, I'm not

970
00:33:14,101 --> 00:33:15,695
even gonna be able to be here on

971
00:33:15,695 --> 00:33:17,290
the third third day of season. So it's

972
00:33:17,290 --> 00:33:19,204
like, I've got to try to figure something

973
00:33:19,204 --> 00:33:20,161
out today. Mh.

974
00:33:20,733 --> 00:33:21,233
And

975
00:33:21,848 --> 00:33:23,065
I stayed up till

976
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,910
way after dark because it's like, I I

977
00:33:25,910 --> 00:33:27,105
didn't see him, and then my thought was,

978
00:33:27,264 --> 00:33:28,936
okay. Well, this year already been pressured a

979
00:33:28,936 --> 00:33:29,175
lot.

980
00:33:29,828 --> 00:33:31,262
I've bumped into big deer in the middle

981
00:33:31,262 --> 00:33:32,935
of the night before just with a head

982
00:33:32,935 --> 00:33:35,006
lamp. Mh. And they call it really well.

983
00:33:35,165 --> 00:33:36,440
So it's like, if I if I have

984
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,404
to bump this year again, leaving here, it's

985
00:33:39,404 --> 00:33:41,005
gonna be an hour or 2 after dark.

986
00:33:41,565 --> 00:33:43,725
Yep. Is what my thought was, because that's

987
00:33:43,725 --> 00:33:45,965
the least damaging way I can I can

988
00:33:45,965 --> 00:33:46,924
screw something up again?

989
00:33:47,978 --> 00:33:50,528
So and I didn't realize that was actually...

990
00:33:50,846 --> 00:33:53,077
That that did me a huge huge favor.

991
00:33:55,069 --> 00:33:57,553
So I go home, watch my kid. My

992
00:33:57,553 --> 00:33:58,427
kids the next day,

993
00:33:59,143 --> 00:34:01,528
and then, my buddy ward was actually able

994
00:34:01,528 --> 00:34:03,833
to to get out and come and, like,

995
00:34:03,992 --> 00:34:05,979
spot for me help me. The following day.

996
00:34:06,948 --> 00:34:09,171
So it's like, okay. Well, just hope and

997
00:34:09,171 --> 00:34:11,235
pray and fingers and toes and everything crossed

998
00:34:11,235 --> 00:34:14,014
and, like, just... Yeah. Just hope, just hope

999
00:34:14,014 --> 00:34:15,522
that this year is still alive.

1000
00:34:16,014 --> 00:34:17,207
When I get back in there.

1001
00:34:18,241 --> 00:34:18,719
And

1002
00:34:19,832 --> 00:34:21,582
and that that next morning the fourth day

1003
00:34:21,582 --> 00:34:22,241
of season

1004
00:34:23,188 --> 00:34:24,699
you, I got I got my buddy word

1005
00:34:24,699 --> 00:34:26,210
there, and I'm... You know, I'm set up

1006
00:34:26,210 --> 00:34:27,960
on the main advantage. She's got a different

1007
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:28,358
vantage.

1008
00:34:31,793 --> 00:34:34,440
And it's like, okay. Just just just help

1009
00:34:34,497 --> 00:34:36,485
so that next morning sure enough,

1010
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,239
45 minutes, maybe hour after sun up, I

1011
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:40,958
find the buck,

1012
00:34:42,635 --> 00:34:44,633
2 or 300 yards away from where I'd

1013
00:34:44,633 --> 00:34:44,952
bumped him.

1014
00:34:45,751 --> 00:34:47,130
He's right. Yeah

1015
00:34:47,682 --> 00:34:49,831
right there. And he's in he's in the

1016
00:34:49,831 --> 00:34:50,889
furthest point

1017
00:34:52,299 --> 00:34:54,471
that I've seen him in all summer, basically,

1018
00:34:55,417 --> 00:34:57,641
in in his core area, he's he's kinda

1019
00:34:57,641 --> 00:34:59,070
at the edge of it, which is, like,

1020
00:34:59,229 --> 00:34:59,467
the...

1021
00:35:00,102 --> 00:35:01,611
What I... What I determined to be, like,

1022
00:35:01,690 --> 00:35:04,166
the most secure spot Okay. He's got this

1023
00:35:04,166 --> 00:35:05,673
shale slide that he would like to bed

1024
00:35:05,673 --> 00:35:07,260
in, and he's he's on the side of

1025
00:35:07,260 --> 00:35:10,353
that, basically. Gotcha the giant shale slide face

1026
00:35:10,353 --> 00:35:10,987
of a mountain.

1027
00:35:11,479 --> 00:35:12,830
And there's... He's got a bed right in

1028
00:35:12,830 --> 00:35:14,340
the middle it. They're, like, a handful of

1029
00:35:14,340 --> 00:35:16,407
dead trees, and he would bed under those

1030
00:35:16,407 --> 00:35:18,157
dead trees, but it's, you know, it's complete

1031
00:35:18,157 --> 00:35:20,405
shale slides. So any... Any direction around it

1032
00:35:20,405 --> 00:35:22,325
him. There's He's hair and some. There's nothing

1033
00:35:22,405 --> 00:35:22,485
Yep.

1034
00:35:23,365 --> 00:35:24,805
There's nothing sneaking up on him.

1035
00:35:26,724 --> 00:35:27,765
So so I...

1036
00:35:28,739 --> 00:35:30,415
I sent a message from my buddy ward.

1037
00:35:30,575 --> 00:35:32,650
He comes over and gets meets up with

1038
00:35:32,650 --> 00:35:34,088
me. We talk over a plan.

1039
00:35:34,886 --> 00:35:36,483
And it's like, well, this block still up

1040
00:35:36,483 --> 00:35:38,411
and feeding. I'm gonna get up above him,

1041
00:35:38,730 --> 00:35:40,797
I'm gonna get, you know, 5, 600 yards

1042
00:35:40,797 --> 00:35:42,466
out. I should be able to see him

1043
00:35:42,466 --> 00:35:44,454
from from my approach, and then let's just

1044
00:35:44,454 --> 00:35:45,329
figure out where it beds.

1045
00:35:46,537 --> 00:35:47,015
And

1046
00:35:48,290 --> 00:35:49,963
sure enough that buck went and embedded straight

1047
00:35:49,963 --> 00:35:51,238
in the middle of that shell slide.

1048
00:35:51,955 --> 00:35:52,752
Where he thought he would.

1049
00:35:53,564 --> 00:35:55,556
Right where I thought he would. And it

1050
00:35:55,556 --> 00:35:57,707
was actually a little bit higher. He had

1051
00:35:57,707 --> 00:35:59,221
a handful of beds in that shale light,

1052
00:35:59,380 --> 00:36:00,496
but it was a little bit higher,

1053
00:36:01,306 --> 00:36:03,764
looking it over, you know, measuring everything on

1054
00:36:03,843 --> 00:36:05,508
On x and like, man, I think if

1055
00:36:05,587 --> 00:36:07,728
I can climb up that rock spire that's

1056
00:36:07,728 --> 00:36:08,124
above him,

1057
00:36:08,932 --> 00:36:10,440
I think I'd be 60 yards away from

1058
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:11,075
them. Mh.

1059
00:36:12,106 --> 00:36:12,582
And

1060
00:36:14,010 --> 00:36:15,835
Like, okay. Well, that's, you know, that's that's...

1061
00:36:16,009 --> 00:36:17,846
The play. I, you know, I I can't

1062
00:36:17,925 --> 00:36:19,123
I can't be a passenger in the same

1063
00:36:19,123 --> 00:36:20,559
anymore. Gotta I gotta get after it, and

1064
00:36:20,639 --> 00:36:21,219
I gotta

1065
00:36:21,677 --> 00:36:23,513
at this point, have you... As either of

1066
00:36:23,513 --> 00:36:24,253
you guys

1067
00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:26,797
the like, any sign of the other guy?

1068
00:36:28,072 --> 00:36:30,223
Yeah. We we kept seeing him. Okay. So

1069
00:36:30,223 --> 00:36:31,817
you're he's still in the area. K.

1070
00:36:32,945 --> 00:36:33,183
Yeah.

1071
00:36:35,246 --> 00:36:37,151
So I I get... You know, it's really

1072
00:36:37,151 --> 00:36:38,342
easy. I just get on the backside of

1073
00:36:38,342 --> 00:36:39,691
the mountain and I can I can cruise

1074
00:36:40,246 --> 00:36:42,248
No problem with just? Sneaking in there the

1075
00:36:42,248 --> 00:36:44,953
approach, and it's it's like solid rock, getting

1076
00:36:44,953 --> 00:36:46,544
over to that raw spire, and then it

1077
00:36:46,544 --> 00:36:48,135
starts to get loose when I got when

1078
00:36:48,214 --> 00:36:49,748
I got to the edge of it, but

1079
00:36:50,139 --> 00:36:52,604
Like, my thinking was okay. This all summer

1080
00:36:52,604 --> 00:36:55,070
along this buck would pretty consistently bed for

1081
00:36:55,070 --> 00:36:57,474
close to 2 hours. Like, watch them from

1082
00:36:57,474 --> 00:37:00,990
first bed to second bed, like, pretty consistently.

1083
00:37:01,150 --> 00:37:02,668
He'd stand in 1 spot for 2 hours.

1084
00:37:02,748 --> 00:37:04,347
So it's like, okay. I don't wanna be

1085
00:37:04,347 --> 00:37:05,945
above them for any longer than they have

1086
00:37:05,945 --> 00:37:07,653
to be. Yep. So

1087
00:37:08,501 --> 00:37:10,959
I waited an hour, and, like, I'll wait

1088
00:37:10,959 --> 00:37:12,862
an hour, then I'll stock in. I bet

1089
00:37:12,862 --> 00:37:13,973
that takes 15 minutes.

1090
00:37:14,622 --> 00:37:14,860
Ish,

1091
00:37:15,496 --> 00:37:17,322
and then it should be, you know, because

1092
00:37:17,402 --> 00:37:18,593
I've seen in bed for a hour and

1093
00:37:18,593 --> 00:37:19,625
a half. It's like, I don't wanna be

1094
00:37:19,625 --> 00:37:21,054
any later than that because then I... Then

1095
00:37:21,134 --> 00:37:23,295
I'd missed the window. So Yeah. And you

1096
00:37:23,295 --> 00:37:24,808
were... And what you were thinking is you

1097
00:37:24,808 --> 00:37:26,264
were wanting to get there

1098
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,790
as that bucks getting up to change beds

1099
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:30,701
you're in position, and you didn't wanna be

1100
00:37:30,701 --> 00:37:32,733
there earlier just to maybe

1101
00:37:33,112 --> 00:37:35,509
risk wind or something else yeah sitting on

1102
00:37:35,509 --> 00:37:37,107
top of him. I like it. Yep. I

1103
00:37:37,107 --> 00:37:38,785
didn't didn't wanna wait for the wind to

1104
00:37:38,785 --> 00:37:40,633
swirl. Yep. I didn't wanna have the wind

1105
00:37:40,633 --> 00:37:42,226
swirl and have me be in danger clothes.

1106
00:37:42,385 --> 00:37:44,079
Yep. So like it. Let's doesn't

1107
00:37:44,535 --> 00:37:47,162
minimize exposure to failure. Yeah. Just...

1108
00:37:48,133 --> 00:37:48,771
Stack the deck.

1109
00:37:50,205 --> 00:37:52,198
Will, I get up there, and I've been

1110
00:37:52,198 --> 00:37:53,952
there for, about an hour, and it's like,

1111
00:37:54,031 --> 00:37:55,705
man this book's not moving at all. Like,

1112
00:37:56,038 --> 00:37:58,177
you can normally tell, like, they'll wiggle around.

1113
00:37:58,335 --> 00:37:59,999
They'll start to... You know, they they that

1114
00:37:59,999 --> 00:38:01,742
you can tell when they're uncomfortable and they're

1115
00:38:01,742 --> 00:38:02,376
about to get up.

1116
00:38:03,343 --> 00:38:03,821
And

1117
00:38:04,220 --> 00:38:06,052
and this block was pretty consistent. Like, I've

1118
00:38:06,052 --> 00:38:07,725
got hours of video of him over the

1119
00:38:07,725 --> 00:38:09,557
summer, and it's like, he was pretty reliable

1120
00:38:09,557 --> 00:38:11,310
about he's gonna give me an indication when

1121
00:38:11,310 --> 00:38:12,107
he's about to get up.

1122
00:38:12,839 --> 00:38:14,435
So I'm sitting there thinking like, okay. Well,

1123
00:38:14,674 --> 00:38:16,349
what else can I do? Like, is there

1124
00:38:16,349 --> 00:38:18,583
is there anything I could physically possibly do

1125
00:38:18,583 --> 00:38:20,512
to give myself a better chance. Mind you,

1126
00:38:20,672 --> 00:38:21,947
like, I got up there, and it actually

1127
00:38:21,947 --> 00:38:23,701
ended up being 20 yards farther than what.

1128
00:38:23,860 --> 00:38:24,577
I thought it was gonna be...

1129
00:38:25,454 --> 00:38:26,411
38

1130
00:38:26,411 --> 00:38:27,207
0 82.

1131
00:38:28,179 --> 00:38:31,930
82 yards. So downhill are you, like, pretty

1132
00:38:31,930 --> 00:38:34,404
stood, like, you gotta, like, get, like straight

1133
00:38:34,404 --> 00:38:35,361
violent downhill?

1134
00:38:36,414 --> 00:38:38,332
So the the shoot 2 distance ended up

1135
00:38:38,332 --> 00:38:39,211
being 68.

1136
00:38:39,850 --> 00:38:42,327
Oh, well, that's a lot. Dude yeah. Okay.

1137
00:38:42,567 --> 00:38:45,695
Yep. So, which... It's convenient because I'd only

1138
00:38:45,695 --> 00:38:48,088
sided my bow and, like, I'd I'd I

1139
00:38:48,088 --> 00:38:50,161
had a black gold a scent slider,

1140
00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:53,511
and I had, my tape was money out

1141
00:38:53,511 --> 00:38:54,724
to 70. Like I shot.

1142
00:38:56,961 --> 00:39:00,158
The day the day before season started,

1143
00:39:00,877 --> 00:39:02,235
I've got a cousin who helps me a

1144
00:39:02,235 --> 00:39:04,170
ton with with archer. He's he's actually been

1145
00:39:04,170 --> 00:39:06,170
a competitive archer since the early nineties.

1146
00:39:06,650 --> 00:39:08,730
Now, my cousin, Dave Go to India, And

1147
00:39:09,289 --> 00:39:10,809
like, I was at his house the day

1148
00:39:10,809 --> 00:39:13,062
before because he's he's, like, he's Yoda for

1149
00:39:13,062 --> 00:39:15,696
me when it comes to 3. And I

1150
00:39:15,696 --> 00:39:18,090
shot, I I put 3 arrows in, like,

1151
00:39:18,410 --> 00:39:19,926
a 2 inch group at 70.

1152
00:39:20,818 --> 00:39:23,287
And the day the day before season, it's

1153
00:39:23,287 --> 00:39:24,880
like, man. I feel I feel really good

1154
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,791
about this. Yeah. I feel really really good.

1155
00:39:27,110 --> 00:39:29,021
And I'm pretty good at staying composed when

1156
00:39:29,021 --> 00:39:30,711
it comes to shooting animals. I can I

1157
00:39:30,711 --> 00:39:32,864
can kinda remove myself from it and and

1158
00:39:32,864 --> 00:39:34,619
perform close to as good as I can

1159
00:39:34,619 --> 00:39:37,012
on target? Nice. Oh, you know, I'm I'm

1160
00:39:37,092 --> 00:39:39,266
I'm at 82 yards, but my shoot two's

1161
00:39:39,659 --> 00:39:41,339
high 6 seasons Like I I think I

1162
00:39:41,339 --> 00:39:42,780
can I think I can make this? But

1163
00:39:42,780 --> 00:39:44,539
let's just make everything as good as I

1164
00:39:44,539 --> 00:39:45,359
can. So,

1165
00:39:45,739 --> 00:39:46,940
you know, I'm sitting there above him.

1166
00:39:47,672 --> 00:39:49,263
And like, okay. Well he's he's giving me

1167
00:39:49,263 --> 00:39:51,092
the time, so I actually crawled back out

1168
00:39:51,092 --> 00:39:53,001
of the spot, and I went and picked

1169
00:39:53,001 --> 00:39:54,592
up rocks. I mean, I'm standing on a

1170
00:39:54,592 --> 00:39:55,626
jagged rock spire.

1171
00:39:56,359 --> 00:39:56,759
And

1172
00:39:57,877 --> 00:40:00,514
it's just like, not a great footing. And

1173
00:40:00,514 --> 00:40:03,711
and everything was uneven. So Actually, I climbed

1174
00:40:03,711 --> 00:40:06,284
out, and I grabbed rocks. Like strategically that

1175
00:40:06,364 --> 00:40:09,164
I could place down to have a flat

1176
00:40:09,164 --> 00:40:10,684
solid platform to stand on?

1177
00:40:11,565 --> 00:40:14,420
Really? That's cool. That was smart. Yeah. It's

1178
00:40:14,539 --> 00:40:16,129
You. So I I made... Because, I mean,

1179
00:40:16,447 --> 00:40:18,117
otherwise, I'm standing kind of all my tip

1180
00:40:18,117 --> 00:40:19,867
toes of wedge in my feet between rocks.

1181
00:40:20,106 --> 00:40:22,014
U. So, like, I'm I made myself a

1182
00:40:22,014 --> 00:40:25,139
really nice. Really nice standing platform, and that

1183
00:40:25,139 --> 00:40:26,816
took that took me a while, and then

1184
00:40:26,975 --> 00:40:28,253
I'm up there and it's like, well, it's

1185
00:40:28,253 --> 00:40:30,089
pretty windy. I I suppose I had to

1186
00:40:30,089 --> 00:40:31,845
just take my quiver off my boss. I

1187
00:40:31,845 --> 00:40:33,639
took I took the quiver off

1188
00:40:34,337 --> 00:40:36,495
and so I, lay out my arrows, So

1189
00:40:36,575 --> 00:40:38,413
Had all my arrows laid out, like, in

1190
00:40:38,413 --> 00:40:41,130
case they needed thinking. Could you stuff needed

1191
00:40:41,130 --> 00:40:43,059
to get Western, Yeah. And then,

1192
00:40:44,570 --> 00:40:45,605
I don't know, I'm standing there above them,

1193
00:40:45,684 --> 00:40:46,400
and it's staying, like,

1194
00:40:47,275 --> 00:40:49,423
close to 3 hours at this point since

1195
00:40:49,423 --> 00:40:50,695
the Buck originally bad.

1196
00:40:51,108 --> 00:40:53,098
Man. This is... He's really settled in.

1197
00:40:53,814 --> 00:40:55,087
So It's like, well, why don't I just...

1198
00:40:55,485 --> 00:40:57,258
Why don't I just draw on Aim At

1199
00:40:57,793 --> 00:40:59,782
and and just practice drawing and naming adam

1200
00:40:59,782 --> 00:41:01,633
it. He's he's bed at dead away. The

1201
00:41:01,633 --> 00:41:03,231
other buck he was with that a dead

1202
00:41:03,231 --> 00:41:05,948
away, the wind steady, but not hard. So

1203
00:41:05,948 --> 00:41:07,386
so I drew and aimed at him, like,

1204
00:41:07,546 --> 00:41:09,793
5 or 6 times. And just every time

1205
00:41:09,872 --> 00:41:11,541
I drew my bow, I got a little

1206
00:41:11,541 --> 00:41:13,370
bit more settled. U. And I was just...

1207
00:41:13,529 --> 00:41:15,437
I I talk myself through the shop process.

1208
00:41:15,675 --> 00:41:17,345
Every time I draw just, like, focus on

1209
00:41:17,345 --> 00:41:17,822
the grip.

1210
00:41:18,474 --> 00:41:19,591
Level, anchor,

1211
00:41:20,070 --> 00:41:21,505
you know, folks on the pan and then

1212
00:41:21,505 --> 00:41:22,623
the spot you wanna hit. And he's was

1213
00:41:22,623 --> 00:41:24,139
like, I talk... I had Had a mantra

1214
00:41:24,139 --> 00:41:26,148
that I had built up. Yeah. And I'm

1215
00:41:26,228 --> 00:41:28,541
I'm I'm just coaching myself through and every

1216
00:41:28,541 --> 00:41:29,976
time I drew on him is just like,

1217
00:41:30,295 --> 00:41:31,891
that that last time I drew on them

1218
00:41:31,891 --> 00:41:33,486
before I shot. It's like, this year is

1219
00:41:33,486 --> 00:41:35,081
so dead. There's not a doubt in my

1220
00:41:35,081 --> 00:41:37,961
mind. You had that when stands up. I

1221
00:41:37,961 --> 00:41:38,836
knew it. And

1222
00:41:39,313 --> 00:41:40,825
and I just... I felt it, like, I

1223
00:41:40,825 --> 00:41:42,018
really, really believed it.

1224
00:41:42,828 --> 00:41:45,207
And when he when he did finally stand

1225
00:41:45,207 --> 00:41:47,666
up, it it kinda rattled me because he

1226
00:41:47,666 --> 00:41:49,728
just instantly looked up at me. He didn't

1227
00:41:49,728 --> 00:41:51,253
hear me or anything. He just... I think

1228
00:41:51,253 --> 00:41:52,766
he'd been facing the other way, and I

1229
00:41:52,766 --> 00:41:54,119
seen a lot of times when big bucks

1230
00:41:54,119 --> 00:41:55,792
get up, but instantly just look the other

1231
00:41:55,792 --> 00:41:58,420
way to see what... What's the direction they're

1232
00:41:58,420 --> 00:41:59,137
wanting to go.

1233
00:41:59,949 --> 00:42:02,105
But, this buck had a habit of, like,

1234
00:42:02,264 --> 00:42:04,579
walking straight out, like, you'd stand up and

1235
00:42:04,579 --> 00:42:05,936
a lot of times they'll shape their legs

1236
00:42:05,936 --> 00:42:07,213
and, like, stretch out a little bit. This

1237
00:42:07,213 --> 00:42:08,570
bucket get up and just start walking.

1238
00:42:09,543 --> 00:42:11,537
So as soon as I as soon as

1239
00:42:11,617 --> 00:42:13,212
I saw him starting to get up, I

1240
00:42:13,212 --> 00:42:14,568
just instantly drew my bow,

1241
00:42:15,286 --> 00:42:15,684
and

1242
00:42:16,163 --> 00:42:17,280
and I had the pin on him and

1243
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:18,636
he's looking up at me and it's like,

1244
00:42:18,715 --> 00:42:20,399
man, I I think I just gotta go

1245
00:42:20,399 --> 00:42:21,986
for. He's he's not... I don't think he's

1246
00:42:21,986 --> 00:42:23,731
aware of me at this point. Yeah. But

1247
00:42:23,731 --> 00:42:25,556
he's looking up. So it's like, okay. I

1248
00:42:25,715 --> 00:42:28,353
I think everything felt perfect. The Pin was

1249
00:42:28,353 --> 00:42:30,183
just on him. As soon as as soon

1250
00:42:30,183 --> 00:42:31,615
as he was up, upright, the pin was

1251
00:42:31,615 --> 00:42:32,808
just where it needed to be, and I...

1252
00:42:33,047 --> 00:42:35,285
And without even thinking about it, the bow

1253
00:42:35,285 --> 00:42:36,873
went off, and and I'm watching here I'm

1254
00:42:36,873 --> 00:42:37,984
like that felt perfect.

1255
00:42:39,493 --> 00:42:41,183
He ended up taking a step

1256
00:42:41,494 --> 00:42:42,849
and it hit him back. But I mean,

1257
00:42:42,929 --> 00:42:46,040
height was perfect. And, like, it it sounded

1258
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,513
like somebody hit a watermelon with a baseball

1259
00:42:48,513 --> 00:42:50,985
bat when yeah. God had hit him. Yep.

1260
00:42:51,558 --> 00:42:53,631
It was it, like, oh, man. And I

1261
00:42:53,631 --> 00:42:55,305
could see instantly. He was sick.

1262
00:42:56,501 --> 00:42:57,856
What does he do when you hit? Does

1263
00:42:57,856 --> 00:42:59,211
he take off? Is he running?

1264
00:43:00,902 --> 00:43:03,056
Stand there? He... When I hit him, he

1265
00:43:03,056 --> 00:43:03,556
ran

1266
00:43:04,014 --> 00:43:06,568
20, maybe 30 yards, and, like, you could

1267
00:43:06,568 --> 00:43:09,210
just tell he was ill. Gotcha. Like, 6

1268
00:43:09,368 --> 00:43:10,480
Is it still in sight.

1269
00:43:11,115 --> 00:43:12,861
You're reloading arrows probably.

1270
00:43:13,814 --> 00:43:16,037
Yep. And and I got another arrow knocked

1271
00:43:16,037 --> 00:43:17,798
and I'm getting ready to shoot again and

1272
00:43:17,798 --> 00:43:20,020
he just starts walking slowly off the shale.

1273
00:43:20,257 --> 00:43:22,400
And he was pretty quickly, like, in a

1274
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:23,987
position where I couldn't really shoot him again.

1275
00:43:24,304 --> 00:43:24,780
I gotcha you.

1276
00:43:25,669 --> 00:43:27,265
But he stopped at, like, a hundred and

1277
00:43:27,265 --> 00:43:30,378
40 yards out and, like, he he was

1278
00:43:30,378 --> 00:43:32,213
he was sick sick. I hit him... I

1279
00:43:32,213 --> 00:43:33,410
didn't him back. I mean, I, you know,

1280
00:43:33,904 --> 00:43:35,021
be honest with that I hit him in

1281
00:43:35,021 --> 00:43:36,399
item in the guts. Is was probably

1282
00:43:37,175 --> 00:43:39,409
4 inches behind lungs where the the arrow

1283
00:43:39,409 --> 00:43:40,606
went in, and

1284
00:43:41,816 --> 00:43:43,960
Yeah. So Mean, I'm not I'm not the

1285
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,002
proudest of that. Yeah. Joe what happens. He's

1286
00:43:47,217 --> 00:43:49,520
he stepped out of my... You know, he

1287
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,362
he steve took a step. Yeah. And,

1288
00:43:52,714 --> 00:43:54,305
yeah. So it's, like, I'm. Them Like, man.

1289
00:43:54,544 --> 00:43:55,976
I think this deere gonna... I think the

1290
00:43:55,976 --> 00:43:57,169
deer is gonna make a bed and die.

1291
00:43:58,139 --> 00:43:58,616
So

1292
00:43:59,094 --> 00:44:00,765
I climbed back out of my shooting spot

1293
00:44:00,765 --> 00:44:01,322
and I

1294
00:44:02,516 --> 00:44:04,108
messaged my buddy and he's like, man, I

1295
00:44:04,108 --> 00:44:06,257
watched everything. He's sick. He's bed down, like,

1296
00:44:06,416 --> 00:44:08,503
it looks good. I'm okay. Just gonna sit

1297
00:44:08,503 --> 00:44:09,701
up here and wait, and I gave him...

1298
00:44:10,100 --> 00:44:11,617
I gave him by an hour, and I

1299
00:44:11,617 --> 00:44:13,293
messaged from my buddy again, and

1300
00:44:13,773 --> 00:44:15,529
and he's, like, he he went another hundred

1301
00:44:15,529 --> 00:44:17,205
yards straight down the hill, and he's bed

1302
00:44:17,205 --> 00:44:18,492
having a hard I'm keeping his head up.

1303
00:44:18,730 --> 00:44:20,793
And he's got eyes on him, the whole

1304
00:44:20,793 --> 00:44:22,618
theme. Yeah. Yep. You can't see him at

1305
00:44:22,618 --> 00:44:23,094
this point?

1306
00:44:23,966 --> 00:44:26,283
No. He can see everything. He's across a

1307
00:44:26,283 --> 00:44:29,869
canyon 1400 yards away. Cool. And, and about

1308
00:44:29,869 --> 00:44:31,621
the hour and a half mark, like, the

1309
00:44:31,621 --> 00:44:33,375
deer was still ba in his head up,

1310
00:44:33,454 --> 00:44:34,490
and it's like, man, I need to do...

1311
00:44:34,650 --> 00:44:36,498
I need to do something. Like, If I

1312
00:44:36,498 --> 00:44:38,255
bump this year, I think he's probably gonna

1313
00:44:38,255 --> 00:44:40,170
run and just die. U. But I think

1314
00:44:40,250 --> 00:44:41,368
I can I think I can get in

1315
00:44:41,368 --> 00:44:42,885
on them? I mean, I'm sure you remember

1316
00:44:42,885 --> 00:44:44,800
last year how wet everything wasn't yeah like

1317
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,889
it rained. Through single day. I swear did.

1318
00:44:47,048 --> 00:44:49,838
Yeah. Yes. So I mean, the... There's that

1319
00:44:49,838 --> 00:44:51,512
1 plant. Think he's called Mules here, But,

1320
00:44:51,592 --> 00:44:53,758
like, everybody probably knows it because it you

1321
00:44:53,758 --> 00:44:55,667
know, it's it's it's a big leafy plant

1322
00:44:55,667 --> 00:44:58,054
and in by September. Yeah. It's the 1

1323
00:44:58,054 --> 00:44:59,405
that you get, like, 4 feet away from

1324
00:44:59,405 --> 00:45:01,076
it. It makes loudest noise on the earth.

1325
00:45:01,712 --> 00:45:01,871
Yeah.

1326
00:45:02,522 --> 00:45:04,903
Yes. And those those were still green.

1327
00:45:05,458 --> 00:45:07,205
Yeah. They were they were...

1328
00:45:08,237 --> 00:45:10,221
All of the sticks were damp, like the

1329
00:45:10,221 --> 00:45:13,197
ground the the dirt had, like, moist cake

1330
00:45:13,253 --> 00:45:17,222
consistently. Consistently. Like, you couldn't make noise walking

1331
00:45:17,222 --> 00:45:19,604
unless you tried to. Such a une ear.

1332
00:45:20,810 --> 00:45:22,558
Yeah. And I'm like, man, I think I

1333
00:45:22,558 --> 00:45:24,147
can sneak in on that book again. I'll

1334
00:45:24,147 --> 00:45:25,577
just get on the blood trail, and I'll

1335
00:45:25,577 --> 00:45:27,324
follow it down the hill. Because there's so

1336
00:45:27,324 --> 00:45:29,151
much down to timber that, like, if I

1337
00:45:29,151 --> 00:45:29,889
just stay

1338
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:31,579
behind down timber

1339
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,719
and poke my head up and just barely

1340
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,719
glance, like, I'll follow the blood trail right

1341
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,320
to him. Mh. And

1342
00:45:38,134 --> 00:45:40,206
I followed the blood trail, maybe 200 yards

1343
00:45:40,206 --> 00:45:42,120
down the hill, and I found his little

1344
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,113
buddy, and then I I peaked up a

1345
00:45:44,113 --> 00:45:46,106
little higher and I used staring straight at

1346
00:45:46,106 --> 00:45:47,639
me. So I duck down.

1347
00:45:48,199 --> 00:45:50,440
So it's his buddy with him. Still his

1348
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,679
buddy hanging with him. Yep. Okay. Yep. His

1349
00:45:52,679 --> 00:45:54,199
buddy was still right with him and like

1350
00:45:54,199 --> 00:45:56,369
blood trail, like, good blood... Like, what were

1351
00:45:56,369 --> 00:45:58,122
you seeing it? Like, using quite? Was?

1352
00:45:58,919 --> 00:46:00,991
He was bleeding. Okay. Yeah. It it wasn't

1353
00:46:00,991 --> 00:46:02,346
it wasn't subtle. I had.

1354
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:04,679
I hit him with a sever... I hit

1355
00:46:04,679 --> 00:46:06,199
him with a sever 1 and 3 quarter.

1356
00:46:06,679 --> 00:46:07,559
Nice. And

1357
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,255
yeah. So III

1358
00:46:10,453 --> 00:46:11,803
had to creep a little bit farther to

1359
00:46:11,803 --> 00:46:13,233
get to where I could get a solid

1360
00:46:13,233 --> 00:46:15,774
place to stand up and knocked another arrow,

1361
00:46:16,171 --> 00:46:17,839
talk to myself through my shop mantra again.

1362
00:46:17,998 --> 00:46:19,427
I arranged the tree that was right behind

1363
00:46:19,427 --> 00:46:21,269
him. And I stood up and just let

1364
00:46:21,269 --> 00:46:22,460
him have it. He

1365
00:46:23,175 --> 00:46:24,842
he went, like 5 guards and fell off

1366
00:46:24,842 --> 00:46:28,257
of a cliff. Oh, man. All bet that

1367
00:46:28,257 --> 00:46:29,264
was just

1368
00:46:29,701 --> 00:46:30,097
Oh,

1369
00:46:30,970 --> 00:46:31,208
yeah.

1370
00:46:32,001 --> 00:46:32,953
So cool. Dude.

1371
00:46:33,905 --> 00:46:36,284
Well, was... It was loud. Like, he fell

1372
00:46:36,284 --> 00:46:39,311
probably 60 feet. Re oh that like, oh,

1373
00:46:39,549 --> 00:46:42,085
I didn't know, like, a, 60 foot. Oh,

1374
00:46:42,401 --> 00:46:43,748
wow. That... Yeah.

1375
00:46:44,954 --> 00:46:47,666
My buddy is 1400 yards away, herd him

1376
00:46:47,666 --> 00:46:48,543
land at the bottom.

1377
00:46:49,978 --> 00:46:50,856
Oh, jeez.

1378
00:46:51,574 --> 00:46:53,887
Yeah. Shred the velvet he broke

1379
00:46:54,778 --> 00:46:56,844
he broke a 3 inch tin and then

1380
00:46:56,844 --> 00:46:59,147
chipped another 1. Like, it was... He took

1381
00:46:59,147 --> 00:47:00,338
some damage, but

1382
00:47:00,894 --> 00:47:02,665
I mean, I was just... Was so.

1383
00:47:03,055 --> 00:47:04,574
Like, I was just... I was so over

1384
00:47:04,574 --> 00:47:06,994
the top. I've had all, batman. So long

1385
00:47:07,375 --> 00:47:09,135
for so long to try to find a

1386
00:47:09,135 --> 00:47:10,655
a buck like that, and then to have

1387
00:47:10,655 --> 00:47:11,375
it all happen.

1388
00:47:11,947 --> 00:47:13,611
With a bow, and and with 1 of

1389
00:47:13,611 --> 00:47:15,538
my absolute best friends, and

1390
00:47:16,068 --> 00:47:17,256
you know, I've I've killed a lot of

1391
00:47:17,256 --> 00:47:19,333
deer by myself and man it it it's

1392
00:47:19,333 --> 00:47:20,610
fun when you can have a really good

1393
00:47:20,610 --> 00:47:22,604
buddy there. And just... Yeah. Dude just enjoy

1394
00:47:22,604 --> 00:47:24,438
it with for sure. Yeah.

1395
00:47:25,475 --> 00:47:27,469
Do you so that's so cool. So you

1396
00:47:27,469 --> 00:47:28,426
get down there.

1397
00:47:29,797 --> 00:47:32,110
Around the cliff, get your hands on. And

1398
00:47:32,110 --> 00:47:32,987
what'd do you think, man?

1399
00:47:34,423 --> 00:47:36,736
Just... I couldn't figure out how he was

1400
00:47:36,736 --> 00:47:38,831
so big. Like, I've never

1401
00:47:39,224 --> 00:47:41,377
ground he grew. He grew what you got.

1402
00:47:41,617 --> 00:47:43,052
Yeah. He was growing. Yeah.

1403
00:47:43,770 --> 00:47:45,126
I'd you know I talked with a bunch

1404
00:47:45,126 --> 00:47:46,880
of people and I was thinking, like, best

1405
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,635
case scenario this year's like,

1406
00:47:49,767 --> 00:47:52,240
maybe just over 200 at at past, like,

1407
00:47:52,879 --> 00:47:55,751
02:04 02:05 is is what I was thinking.

1408
00:47:57,674 --> 00:47:59,659
I I really thought there's a legitimate chance

1409
00:47:59,659 --> 00:48:01,008
he was high 1 nineties. It's not have

1410
00:48:01,008 --> 00:48:02,278
been... I'd have been over the top no

1411
00:48:02,278 --> 00:48:03,572
matter what, but

1412
00:48:05,548 --> 00:48:08,173
Yeah. I just... I wasn't expecting, like, 27

1413
00:48:08,173 --> 00:48:10,161
inch main beams and 40 plus inches of

1414
00:48:10,161 --> 00:48:11,832
mask. Like, it had inside tool.

1415
00:48:12,644 --> 00:48:14,722
I'd never calibrated off of something like that.

1416
00:48:15,041 --> 00:48:16,480
Yeah. That's so cool.

1417
00:48:17,598 --> 00:48:17,838
Yeah.

1418
00:48:19,436 --> 00:48:21,528
And then it... I I'd, you know, we

1419
00:48:21,528 --> 00:48:23,042
got them packed out and got and took

1420
00:48:23,042 --> 00:48:24,476
back to Camp, and then it given it

1421
00:48:24,476 --> 00:48:25,592
a lot of thought. It's was like, man,

1422
00:48:25,831 --> 00:48:26,309
I had to go...

1423
00:48:27,265 --> 00:48:28,699
I to go at least let this other

1424
00:48:28,699 --> 00:48:30,371
guy know that this buck dead.

1425
00:48:31,103 --> 00:48:31,603
And

1426
00:48:32,297 --> 00:48:34,606
like that's... You know, it's... I've had big,

1427
00:48:34,685 --> 00:48:35,004
you know,

1428
00:48:35,879 --> 00:48:37,869
big, big deer that I'd hunted before and

1429
00:48:37,869 --> 00:48:39,700
and you spent a whole season looking for

1430
00:48:39,700 --> 00:48:40,518
them and

1431
00:48:40,909 --> 00:48:41,887
you know, if if

1432
00:48:42,344 --> 00:48:44,177
if you said rather not waste... Have him

1433
00:48:44,177 --> 00:48:46,272
waste a you're looking to... You're a commendable

1434
00:48:46,330 --> 00:48:48,882
guy to do that. Serious. That's freaking awesome.

1435
00:48:49,855 --> 00:48:52,095
So, yeah, We ended up taking him over

1436
00:48:52,095 --> 00:48:53,615
to the guy's camp, And it was funny

1437
00:48:53,615 --> 00:48:55,215
because he was hunting... He was hunting with

1438
00:48:55,215 --> 00:48:56,894
another guy that I actually knew really well.

1439
00:48:58,184 --> 00:49:00,725
Pretty good... Really good, dude. I... The knew

1440
00:49:00,725 --> 00:49:02,790
him pretty well. And it's funny because it

1441
00:49:02,790 --> 00:49:04,617
was pitch black when we got over there

1442
00:49:04,617 --> 00:49:06,126
and, as soon as we got to their

1443
00:49:06,126 --> 00:49:08,765
camp, I I was holler Adam and and

1444
00:49:08,765 --> 00:49:11,390
his buddy like, Tony. Yeah. I hadn't Haven't

1445
00:49:11,390 --> 00:49:13,300
introduced myself or but recognize recognized my voice.

1446
00:49:13,777 --> 00:49:15,050
And as just... As soon as I said,

1447
00:49:15,289 --> 00:49:17,374
yeah. He's, like, Oh, shit. You killed that

1448
00:49:17,374 --> 00:49:18,011
dear didn't you.

1449
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,507
He knew. So. He he knew. But the

1450
00:49:23,507 --> 00:49:24,861
the crazy thing was,

1451
00:49:25,515 --> 00:49:27,275
that I told you that night that I'd

1452
00:49:27,275 --> 00:49:28,954
stayed in there so late. U.

1453
00:49:29,755 --> 00:49:31,195
He thought I killed it that night.

1454
00:49:31,914 --> 00:49:33,755
He could figure late the other reason.

1455
00:49:34,407 --> 00:49:36,157
Why you were other there.

1456
00:49:37,032 --> 00:49:39,339
Yeah. Be in here so late and then

1457
00:49:39,339 --> 00:49:40,453
gone the next day.

1458
00:49:41,422 --> 00:49:44,048
Myself in that yours... Those shoes too, I

1459
00:49:44,048 --> 00:49:45,559
would've have thought the same thing. See you

1460
00:49:45,559 --> 00:49:47,548
guys sitting up on them... Yeah. For sure.

1461
00:49:47,867 --> 00:49:49,719
Yep. And then he knew I was gone

1462
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,199
the next day. So he's just like, man.

1463
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,199
He'll impact him email. He's out of here.

1464
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,199
He thought the deer was already dead and

1465
00:49:56,199 --> 00:49:59,327
gone and halfway gave up on it. Oh

1466
00:49:59,327 --> 00:50:00,224
my gosh.

1467
00:50:01,075 --> 00:50:03,459
I don't know... Like, this guy's a good

1468
00:50:03,459 --> 00:50:06,259
honor. I don't know if that on I'm

1469
00:50:06,259 --> 00:50:07,777
not sure. I mean, it's hard to read

1470
00:50:07,777 --> 00:50:09,775
read through somebody else's mind, but I don't

1471
00:50:09,775 --> 00:50:11,293
know that everything would happened the way it

1472
00:50:11,293 --> 00:50:13,690
did had that not played out. For sure.

1473
00:50:14,744 --> 00:50:17,216
No. Yeah. Well, yeah. And I I honestly,

1474
00:50:17,296 --> 00:50:18,492
as I sit here and I put myself

1475
00:50:18,492 --> 00:50:19,848
in that, do you choose if I...

1476
00:50:20,805 --> 00:50:22,958
Yeah. I to probably thought the same thing

1477
00:50:22,958 --> 00:50:23,357
for sure.

1478
00:50:24,488 --> 00:50:24,726
Yeah.

1479
00:50:25,442 --> 00:50:27,113
So, I mean, the whole thing... The whole

1480
00:50:27,113 --> 00:50:29,818
thing just a, like, absolute whirlwind from start

1481
00:50:29,818 --> 00:50:31,886
to finish. It was it was such a

1482
00:50:31,886 --> 00:50:34,214
roller coaster, and then after I got him

1483
00:50:34,214 --> 00:50:35,414
killed, and I got to thinking about a

1484
00:50:35,414 --> 00:50:37,094
like, man. I could hunted all my other

1485
00:50:37,094 --> 00:50:37,414
tags.

1486
00:50:38,454 --> 00:50:38,954
But

1487
00:50:39,894 --> 00:50:43,892
Yeah. First... Sure. But... Yeah. Sometimes no like

1488
00:50:43,892 --> 00:50:45,881
that. So, Dude, what did he end up

1489
00:50:45,881 --> 00:50:46,200
scoring?

1490
00:50:47,234 --> 00:50:49,382
So I was... I don't know. I I...

1491
00:50:49,621 --> 00:50:49,701
I've...

1492
00:50:50,431 --> 00:50:52,415
Conflicted sink... Because that that night, we we

1493
00:50:52,415 --> 00:50:54,638
had crappy stuff that we measured him with

1494
00:50:54,638 --> 00:50:55,907
and we measured him with Velvet that we

1495
00:50:55,907 --> 00:50:59,021
can... It's hard. Yep. We we we 4

1496
00:50:59,021 --> 00:51:01,328
we 4 tired person panel scored them at

1497
00:51:01,328 --> 00:51:04,032
at, like, midnight at at 02:16 and a

1498
00:51:04,032 --> 00:51:04,271
half.

1499
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:05,877
And then,

1500
00:51:06,434 --> 00:51:08,264
I scored them after I stripped in, like,

1501
00:51:08,502 --> 00:51:10,014
a day or 2 later, and I had

1502
00:51:10,014 --> 00:51:11,150
him at, like 02:14.

1503
00:51:11,937 --> 00:51:13,527
But, you know, I was counting the time

1504
00:51:13,527 --> 00:51:15,593
that he broke off. Yeah. And then I'd...

1505
00:51:16,229 --> 00:51:18,454
He had another time that is actually, like,

1506
00:51:18,614 --> 00:51:20,142
inch and a half. But it's wider than

1507
00:51:20,142 --> 00:51:22,317
it is long, so I didn't realize that's

1508
00:51:22,375 --> 00:51:24,768
that's ineligible. But I ended up having To

1509
00:51:24,768 --> 00:51:28,676
bed score him and his official final net

1510
00:51:28,676 --> 00:51:30,146
score was like, 02:04

1511
00:51:30,203 --> 00:51:32,825
and 586. That's a net score. 02:04.

1512
00:51:33,540 --> 00:51:33,858
I think.

1513
00:51:34,811 --> 00:51:36,718
Yeah. He he netted almost the same as

1514
00:51:36,718 --> 00:51:38,963
he gross. Did check Well, like, I figured

1515
00:51:38,963 --> 00:51:40,582
if if he hadn't a broke

1516
00:51:41,041 --> 00:51:42,799
and everything you would have been close to

1517
00:51:42,799 --> 00:51:43,598
to 02:08.

1518
00:51:43,997 --> 00:51:45,915
That's so cool, man. Well, good for Dude.

1519
00:51:46,488 --> 00:51:49,355
So cool, man. Like, Yeah. I... That's just...

1520
00:51:50,071 --> 00:51:52,778
I don't know. And dude your first buck

1521
00:51:52,778 --> 00:51:53,973
with a bow? Is that right?

1522
00:51:54,943 --> 00:51:57,168
Yeah. First off of the ball holy cow.

1523
00:51:57,486 --> 00:51:59,417
That is so cool. Like

1524
00:52:00,348 --> 00:52:00,848
don't

1525
00:52:01,222 --> 00:52:04,179
Like, yeah. That is so cool, man. Like,

1526
00:52:04,418 --> 00:52:06,652
I just love that. That story is Epic.

1527
00:52:07,689 --> 00:52:10,242
Yeah. Yeah. It just... It... I mean, the

1528
00:52:10,242 --> 00:52:10,801
whole thing was...

1529
00:52:11,534 --> 00:52:14,011
Was like a fairy tale felt like. So

1530
00:52:14,011 --> 00:52:15,289
what was your thoughts about?

1531
00:52:16,728 --> 00:52:18,326
Your guy that's really got it done with

1532
00:52:18,326 --> 00:52:21,051
a rifle a lot? And just what is

1533
00:52:21,051 --> 00:52:23,040
your thoughts about Bow hunting? Because, like, I'm

1534
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,029
interested to hear your thoughts? Like, is it

1535
00:52:25,029 --> 00:52:25,529
something

1536
00:52:25,904 --> 00:52:28,211
that, like, dion is, like, thinking about doing

1537
00:52:28,211 --> 00:52:30,219
that year in the following year? Like, is

1538
00:52:30,219 --> 00:52:31,974
it something you're gonna implement? What are your

1539
00:52:31,974 --> 00:52:34,927
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1563
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I I have a lot of regrets in

1564
00:53:27,153 --> 00:53:29,615
my life. Looks she's back on it now.

1565
00:53:29,853 --> 00:53:30,250
It's like,

1566
00:53:31,044 --> 00:53:31,782
how many

1567
00:53:32,394 --> 00:53:35,110
opportunities did I not look at? Because I'd

1568
00:53:35,110 --> 00:53:38,371
narrowed myself into a, like, small narrow path

1569
00:53:38,371 --> 00:53:39,963
of how I wanted to do everything.

1570
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,526
Like... And I think You know, I still

1571
00:53:42,526 --> 00:53:44,121
don't think I'm a good bow owner. Like,

1572
00:53:44,281 --> 00:53:46,514
by by any stretch of the imagination, I

1573
00:53:46,514 --> 00:53:48,907
think I think the circumstance that happened was

1574
00:53:49,067 --> 00:53:52,032
I understood a deer really, really well. And

1575
00:53:52,032 --> 00:53:55,063
yeah. And I knew I knew what situation

1576
00:53:55,143 --> 00:53:58,493
I needed to make it happen, and III

1577
00:53:58,493 --> 00:54:00,567
leveraged my knowledge of that deer.

1578
00:54:01,619 --> 00:54:03,697
And made and made it effective,

1579
00:54:05,615 --> 00:54:07,692
which, you know, I I honestly feel like

1580
00:54:07,773 --> 00:54:09,131
I've probably been at the point where I

1581
00:54:09,131 --> 00:54:10,744
could have done that for fibers 6 years

1582
00:54:10,744 --> 00:54:12,744
now. Like, and I still... Like, I legitimately

1583
00:54:12,744 --> 00:54:14,505
don't think I'm a I'm I'm any better

1584
00:54:14,505 --> 00:54:16,025
than than the average person,

1585
00:54:16,505 --> 00:54:18,639
that's that's a reasonably good Bull hunter, 6

1586
00:54:18,917 --> 00:54:20,900
I'm not I'm not quiet. I'm not sneaky,

1587
00:54:21,058 --> 00:54:23,596
but I I think I... There's a lot

1588
00:54:23,596 --> 00:54:25,340
of opportunity for a guy who can figure

1589
00:54:25,340 --> 00:54:27,581
out how it deere patterns. And then just

1590
00:54:27,581 --> 00:54:30,212
take advantage of your man. Yes. Animal wanna

1591
00:54:30,212 --> 00:54:31,349
behavior advantage

1592
00:54:32,125 --> 00:54:34,198
of something that that deer does. And I

1593
00:54:34,198 --> 00:54:35,884
mean, you're not gonna make... A stock every

1594
00:54:35,884 --> 00:54:37,973
day. You're not gonna make the stocks that

1595
00:54:38,188 --> 00:54:40,015
that the guys that are really affected Bow

1596
00:54:40,015 --> 00:54:41,286
owners are gonna be able to make. But,

1597
00:54:41,366 --> 00:54:43,612
man, you can a you can be there

1598
00:54:43,612 --> 00:54:45,450
and you can look for the right opportunity

1599
00:54:45,450 --> 00:54:46,110
and know

1600
00:54:46,728 --> 00:54:48,646
know what a deere weakness is and take

1601
00:54:48,646 --> 00:54:50,359
advantage of it. Yes. So

1602
00:54:50,978 --> 00:54:53,296
we'll definitely looking at stuff differently. Well, dude

1603
00:54:53,296 --> 00:54:54,574
that's so good to hear because, like, man,

1604
00:54:54,814 --> 00:54:56,572
1 of my... Like, I I always tell

1605
00:54:56,572 --> 00:54:58,331
people. And I didn't and there's guys guilty

1606
00:54:58,331 --> 00:54:59,884
on both sides of this spectrum

1607
00:55:00,257 --> 00:55:02,085
for this. Like, I talk to these guys

1608
00:55:02,085 --> 00:55:03,992
and they wanna be... They wanna, like, kill

1609
00:55:03,992 --> 00:55:04,945
big bucks and

1610
00:55:05,581 --> 00:55:07,567
it's interesting. Someone like, oh, I only bow.

1611
00:55:08,379 --> 00:55:10,936
Or I only rifle hunt. And, like, if

1612
00:55:10,936 --> 00:55:14,772
your goal is truly to kill, like, big

1613
00:55:14,772 --> 00:55:16,530
mule deer, and I'm talking like, you know

1614
00:55:16,530 --> 00:55:18,934
like that. Top end, like 1 90 p,

1615
00:55:19,093 --> 00:55:19,969
like big box.

1616
00:55:21,003 --> 00:55:23,550
Dude to paint yourself in a corner and

1617
00:55:23,550 --> 00:55:26,527
only hunt with 1 weapon is the craziest

1618
00:55:26,662 --> 00:55:28,726
thing to me. Like, I'll never understand it

1619
00:55:28,726 --> 00:55:31,448
because I just think of all the opportunity

1620
00:55:32,154 --> 00:55:33,986
And I and I get some guys just

1621
00:55:33,986 --> 00:55:36,080
love the Bow. They love. But

1622
00:55:36,456 --> 00:55:38,687
dude... There's just so many things you can

1623
00:55:38,687 --> 00:55:41,236
take advantage of, like, during that artery season.

1624
00:55:41,889 --> 00:55:43,485
I... I've said it for years, man. I

1625
00:55:43,485 --> 00:55:46,200
really think the time to kill, like, really

1626
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:47,019
big bucks

1627
00:55:47,557 --> 00:55:49,553
is our tree season. Like, I think your

1628
00:55:49,553 --> 00:55:52,521
scouting really pays off. You're not like, up

1629
00:55:52,521 --> 00:55:53,159
against, you know,

1630
00:55:53,956 --> 00:55:56,828
migration, winter storms, like all of that kind

1631
00:55:56,828 --> 00:55:58,264
of stuff. It just... I don't know there's

1632
00:55:58,264 --> 00:56:00,337
something about that early season. I think a

1633
00:56:00,337 --> 00:56:00,837
deer

1634
00:56:01,389 --> 00:56:04,331
III honestly believe your odds go up, bow

1635
00:56:04,331 --> 00:56:07,432
hunting, killing, like, truly big bucks, at least

1636
00:56:07,432 --> 00:56:10,470
that's been my experience, but It's hard sometimes

1637
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:11,745
to get it done, but I don't know,

1638
00:56:11,904 --> 00:56:14,215
man. It's just... I'm so glad that all

1639
00:56:14,215 --> 00:56:15,729
worked out for he dude and like,

1640
00:56:16,446 --> 00:56:18,597
that's just cool. And now I'm just excited

1641
00:56:18,597 --> 00:56:19,257
to see

1642
00:56:19,568 --> 00:56:21,557
what you get done with a bow in

1643
00:56:21,557 --> 00:56:23,704
your hands because now, I mean, those deer

1644
00:56:23,704 --> 00:56:25,773
got you hunt them for another solid 30

1645
00:56:25,773 --> 00:56:26,273
days

1646
00:56:26,901 --> 00:56:30,083
they're in trouble. Yeah. Well it's just... It's

1647
00:56:30,083 --> 00:56:31,356
silly because I I mean,

1648
00:56:32,549 --> 00:56:33,026
I've got...

1649
00:56:34,079 --> 00:56:35,038
I'd have to look on them for a

1650
00:56:35,038 --> 00:56:36,316
minute to think it through, but I've got...

1651
00:56:36,715 --> 00:56:38,494
I don't know how many of these deer

1652
00:56:38,713 --> 00:56:41,510
that are pretty much all general Idaho deer.

1653
00:56:42,324 --> 00:56:44,025
That I could have hunted

1654
00:56:44,324 --> 00:56:46,724
all of September. Yeah. It's like, how much

1655
00:56:46,724 --> 00:56:48,324
more effective could I have been on a

1656
00:56:48,324 --> 00:56:49,924
second animal if I got the first 1.

1657
00:56:50,324 --> 00:56:50,565
Right?

1658
00:56:51,299 --> 00:56:54,090
In September. Because, like, right. I really... You

1659
00:56:54,090 --> 00:56:56,085
know, it's it's really tough to kill 1

1660
00:56:56,085 --> 00:56:58,659
good buck, especially if you're if you're narrowing

1661
00:56:58,796 --> 00:57:00,870
yourself into doing it in October Like, It's

1662
00:57:00,870 --> 00:57:02,724
just You know, I got I got a

1663
00:57:02,724 --> 00:57:04,164
family. I got a job. I've got a

1664
00:57:04,164 --> 00:57:06,804
wife, and I've got responsibilities. And, like, and

1665
00:57:06,964 --> 00:57:08,964
I also know, like, I'm really only super

1666
00:57:08,964 --> 00:57:10,619
effective for 3 to 4 days and it's

1667
00:57:10,739 --> 00:57:11,637
time and

1668
00:57:12,251 --> 00:57:13,843
you know, you you just... There's not that

1669
00:57:13,843 --> 00:57:16,390
many weekends in October. Yeah. And and then

1670
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:18,699
you... That's not even factoring in, like, bad

1671
00:57:18,699 --> 00:57:20,313
weather windows or, like

1672
00:57:21,023 --> 00:57:23,495
you, you know, other other weird scenarios where

1673
00:57:23,495 --> 00:57:25,888
it's like, there may be, you know, the

1674
00:57:25,888 --> 00:57:27,962
the the buck I I killed that was

1675
00:57:27,962 --> 00:57:29,477
right above where my truck was parked.

1676
00:57:30,847 --> 00:57:32,757
I I was in there opening morning. There's

1677
00:57:32,757 --> 00:57:34,110
13 trucks at the trail head, and it

1678
00:57:34,110 --> 00:57:35,644
was such a cluster, but

1679
00:57:36,019 --> 00:57:37,531
I'm not even gonna try.

1680
00:57:38,104 --> 00:57:40,019
To help this deer for another. I wanna

1681
00:57:40,019 --> 00:57:41,456
come in the middle of next week. Like,

1682
00:57:41,616 --> 00:57:43,052
I wanna have this deer on a Wednesday,

1683
00:57:43,611 --> 00:57:45,926
because there was opening morning. I found that

1684
00:57:45,926 --> 00:57:47,536
deer right you know, just a little bit

1685
00:57:47,536 --> 00:57:49,690
after first light up close to the top

1686
00:57:49,690 --> 00:57:51,525
of the ridge, and I'm trying to figure

1687
00:57:51,525 --> 00:57:53,119
out a plan for killing him. And there's

1688
00:57:53,119 --> 00:57:55,034
2 other guys that are 300 yards away

1689
00:57:55,034 --> 00:57:56,310
from him on the top of the ridge.

1690
00:57:57,122 --> 00:57:59,195
So it's like, man. This... You know, as

1691
00:57:59,195 --> 00:58:00,790
soon as he saw them, he busted out,

1692
00:58:00,950 --> 00:58:03,182
but it's just like, man, there's just, you

1693
00:58:03,182 --> 00:58:05,175
know, there's so many things that can go

1694
00:58:05,175 --> 00:58:06,780
wrong and so few ways that it all

1695
00:58:06,780 --> 00:58:09,240
goes right. So you just give yourself as

1696
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:12,256
much opportunity as you can. For sure. I

1697
00:58:12,256 --> 00:58:12,971
dude I...

1698
00:58:13,544 --> 00:58:15,382
I completely agree. Man. I've set it for

1699
00:58:15,382 --> 00:58:18,739
years. I truly believe the hardest time to

1700
00:58:18,739 --> 00:58:20,337
kill a big mule dear. This is just

1701
00:58:20,337 --> 00:58:21,776
this is and I'd argue this to the

1702
00:58:21,776 --> 00:58:24,187
day I die for a hundred reason. But

1703
00:58:24,347 --> 00:58:27,859
I truly believe it's like October tenth to

1704
00:58:27,859 --> 00:58:30,174
about the 20 fifth of October and like,

1705
00:58:30,413 --> 00:58:33,534
it's like, basically Idaho general rifle season. Like,

1706
00:58:33,772 --> 00:58:37,344
it is so tough. Like... Yeah. There's just

1707
00:58:37,344 --> 00:58:39,091
so many things that change. And I mean,

1708
00:58:39,329 --> 00:58:39,829
I

1709
00:58:40,137 --> 00:58:41,564
a lot of the places. I hung I

1710
00:58:41,564 --> 00:58:43,941
am I have been completely snowed out of,

1711
00:58:44,178 --> 00:58:46,635
like, you are not getting in there.

1712
00:58:48,001 --> 00:58:50,393
Without a snowmobile bill until, like, October fifteenth.

1713
00:58:50,632 --> 00:58:53,661
Or later after October fifteenth. Like, ben completely

1714
00:58:53,661 --> 00:58:55,588
snowed out, can't even go in there I

1715
00:58:55,748 --> 00:58:57,342
I have snowmobile build in there and, like,

1716
00:58:57,820 --> 00:58:59,893
get up there. There isn't a deer track,

1717
00:59:00,292 --> 00:59:02,365
everything's migrated out, and you know, and it's

1718
00:59:02,365 --> 00:59:03,561
just 1 of those deals that...

1719
00:59:04,534 --> 00:59:06,375
Sometimes that does happen. I know what you

1720
00:59:06,375 --> 00:59:08,775
were saying about, like, deer not moving. I

1721
00:59:08,775 --> 00:59:10,855
think that's generally the case, but I think

1722
00:59:10,855 --> 00:59:12,949
sometimes, you know, I don't know. It things

1723
00:59:12,949 --> 00:59:14,306
do happen. Oh, every... Yeah.

1724
00:59:15,264 --> 00:59:17,818
Every area is different. Yes. And The year

1725
00:59:17,818 --> 00:59:20,134
the year before that, I, another year, I

1726
00:59:20,134 --> 00:59:21,970
hadn't found anything scouting and I ended up.

1727
00:59:22,384 --> 00:59:23,123
1 of the

1728
00:59:23,499 --> 00:59:25,491
only bucks in recent time that I I

1729
00:59:25,491 --> 00:59:27,324
killed that I hadn't had found beforehand in

1730
00:59:27,483 --> 00:59:27,881
Idaho.

1731
00:59:28,917 --> 00:59:31,080
It's no Wanna say, like, 18 inches where

1732
00:59:31,239 --> 00:59:32,829
I was in October tenth. Mh.

1733
00:59:33,306 --> 00:59:34,181
You, And

1734
00:59:34,896 --> 00:59:37,043
it it just... I was absolutely getting hammered,

1735
00:59:37,202 --> 00:59:39,206
and that's... That's why I killed that box

1736
00:59:39,206 --> 00:59:40,480
because there was so much snow on the

1737
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,390
ground and it was so cold. But, like,

1738
00:59:42,549 --> 00:59:44,459
man, that things can go so hard in

1739
00:59:44,459 --> 00:59:46,687
any direction you can't predict it. So just...

1740
00:59:47,418 --> 00:59:49,640
Give yourself as much opportunity as you can.

1741
00:59:49,878 --> 00:59:52,362
Yes. And there's something about deer

1742
00:59:53,212 --> 00:59:54,244
with Velvet on.

1743
00:59:54,973 --> 00:59:57,198
They... And I think there's a few different

1744
00:59:57,198 --> 00:59:58,946
things that are into play there. I think

1745
00:59:58,946 --> 01:00:01,966
they're velvet being on. They don't really like

1746
01:00:01,966 --> 01:00:04,134
that. Cover quite as much, I don't think

1747
01:00:04,134 --> 01:00:05,511
they, like bang in their ant

1748
01:00:06,447 --> 01:00:08,839
on, like, cover. I think they really do

1749
01:00:08,839 --> 01:00:10,833
a good job of avoiding it. Like, if

1750
01:00:10,833 --> 01:00:11,950
you ever been walking,

1751
01:00:12,524 --> 01:00:14,601
and you bump a velvet covered deer and

1752
01:00:14,601 --> 01:00:17,078
you watch them like, Bob and weave as

1753
01:00:17,078 --> 01:00:19,655
they're going through, like, cover. And then

1754
01:00:19,969 --> 01:00:21,730
I've done that with, like, a hard ant

1755
01:00:21,809 --> 01:00:23,489
Deer and dude He's just banging in his

1756
01:00:23,489 --> 01:00:25,809
head through the Ant like, doesn't care. And

1757
01:00:25,969 --> 01:00:27,329
I truly think there's some...

1758
01:00:28,304 --> 01:00:30,297
I think I see that, like, they're just

1759
01:00:30,297 --> 01:00:31,973
out in the open. Well, and then their

1760
01:00:31,973 --> 01:00:34,286
coat, you know, like, the summer coat. I

1761
01:00:34,286 --> 01:00:36,280
think they're... They can handle, you know, sitting

1762
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:37,715
out in the sun a little more.

1763
01:00:38,446 --> 01:00:39,717
I I just think they're out in the

1764
01:00:39,717 --> 01:00:41,543
open a little more. And I I think

1765
01:00:41,702 --> 01:00:42,655
Velvet Deer.

1766
01:00:43,369 --> 01:00:45,514
I know this. If I add a choice,

1767
01:00:46,244 --> 01:00:49,281
Like, if I had, like, somebody said, I

1768
01:00:49,281 --> 01:00:51,199
got this 225

1769
01:00:51,199 --> 01:00:51,679
inch back.

1770
01:00:52,478 --> 01:00:54,476
Would you... You get to honey. But I'm

1771
01:00:54,476 --> 01:00:55,929
gonna give you 2 choices. Would you hunt

1772
01:00:55,929 --> 01:00:58,007
him hard horn or Velvet, and you only

1773
01:00:58,007 --> 01:00:59,445
get 1 or the other? Dude, I'm taking

1774
01:00:59,445 --> 01:01:01,363
that velvet every time? Because I'm like, and

1775
01:01:01,523 --> 01:01:03,441
I doesn't matter the weapon just because I

1776
01:01:03,441 --> 01:01:05,690
think I could probably... Get it done, You

1777
01:01:05,690 --> 01:01:07,918
know, Like, I just would probably see him

1778
01:01:07,918 --> 01:01:08,157
more.

1779
01:01:09,032 --> 01:01:10,703
I'd probably figure him out to probably get

1780
01:01:10,703 --> 01:01:13,026
his pattern a little better and probably be

1781
01:01:13,026 --> 01:01:14,458
able to kill him, but that's just my

1782
01:01:14,458 --> 01:01:14,696
take.

1783
01:01:15,810 --> 01:01:17,798
So I I agree with with most of

1784
01:01:17,798 --> 01:01:19,150
that, but I do have a little bit

1785
01:01:19,150 --> 01:01:21,711
of a diver opinion about how... How people

1786
01:01:21,711 --> 01:01:23,544
say bucks get so much harder to find

1787
01:01:23,544 --> 01:01:25,296
when they go hard horn. I think I

1788
01:01:25,296 --> 01:01:27,288
think it's a lot more... I think it's

1789
01:01:27,288 --> 01:01:29,598
a lot more than, like, some behavioral change

1790
01:01:29,598 --> 01:01:31,369
in the deer, I think you if you

1791
01:01:31,369 --> 01:01:32,089
look at it, like,

1792
01:01:33,369 --> 01:01:34,730
I think that's a huge part of it.

1793
01:01:34,969 --> 01:01:37,230
So what... I mean, at the same time

1794
01:01:37,449 --> 01:01:39,382
as Buck shed velvet it. First or second

1795
01:01:39,382 --> 01:01:41,378
week of September for frost. What else happens

1796
01:01:41,378 --> 01:01:43,853
first first frost. Yep. It's So they change

1797
01:01:44,251 --> 01:01:44,411
Dude.

1798
01:01:45,768 --> 01:01:47,385
Transitioning to differ food sources.

1799
01:01:47,777 --> 01:01:49,369
They've got a heavier coat that comes in

1800
01:01:49,369 --> 01:01:51,277
at the exact same time. Yep. So they're

1801
01:01:51,277 --> 01:01:52,175
more uncomfortable

1802
01:01:52,550 --> 01:01:54,141
with moving around and being hot. Like they're.

1803
01:01:54,380 --> 01:01:56,552
Yep there... It's it's the least time of

1804
01:01:56,552 --> 01:01:57,991
demand I think for a deer. So, like,

1805
01:01:58,071 --> 01:02:00,548
for thermal regulation, I think a deer is

1806
01:02:00,548 --> 01:02:03,346
most comfortable in that weather window between early

1807
01:02:03,585 --> 01:02:05,777
September and mid off. October. Like, they're just

1808
01:02:06,074 --> 01:02:08,227
you're they're just on cruise control before the

1809
01:02:08,227 --> 01:02:10,300
rut happens. They're not trying to burn energy.

1810
01:02:10,619 --> 01:02:12,612
However, much weight they've put on they're gonna

1811
01:02:12,612 --> 01:02:14,942
put on because the super nutrient rich food

1812
01:02:14,942 --> 01:02:17,499
is is now no longer available. Yep. So

1813
01:02:17,499 --> 01:02:19,496
it's, like, I think they're just... I think

1814
01:02:19,496 --> 01:02:20,695
it's a lot of things happening.

1815
01:02:21,267 --> 01:02:22,699
But I think a big part of it

1816
01:02:22,699 --> 01:02:23,677
is that their

1817
01:02:24,131 --> 01:02:26,858
their demands to do things is so dramatically

1818
01:02:26,994 --> 01:02:29,802
reduced that once that they're just... They don't

1819
01:02:29,802 --> 01:02:31,401
need to move as much. And they don't

1820
01:02:31,401 --> 01:02:32,759
want to move as much, and it's not

1821
01:02:32,759 --> 01:02:34,677
comfortable to move as much. They're harder to

1822
01:02:34,677 --> 01:02:36,275
see. I mean, they lost the bright red

1823
01:02:36,275 --> 01:02:38,539
coat Now they're a dull gray brown

1824
01:02:39,230 --> 01:02:41,294
harder to see. Just even that alone, They're

1825
01:02:41,294 --> 01:02:43,278
harder to see, you know, like, your eyes

1826
01:02:43,278 --> 01:02:45,264
it just gets a little different. Yep, For

1827
01:02:45,264 --> 01:02:47,514
sure. While the amount of hours that they're

1828
01:02:47,514 --> 01:02:50,174
gonna spend up on their feet are dramatically

1829
01:02:50,234 --> 01:02:52,714
cut. Like, so just, you know, have everybody

1830
01:02:52,714 --> 01:02:54,714
finds stuff based off of movement. Like, the

1831
01:02:54,714 --> 01:02:56,730
amount of the percentage of time that people

1832
01:02:56,730 --> 01:02:58,410
find a time sticking out of the brush

1833
01:02:58,410 --> 01:03:00,809
is so low, I think it's comic personally.

1834
01:03:00,969 --> 01:03:01,710
Like, that's.

1835
01:03:02,650 --> 01:03:04,978
On it. So if if people see stuff

1836
01:03:04,978 --> 01:03:05,695
because it move,

1837
01:03:06,493 --> 01:03:08,166
and the animals are now moving,

1838
01:03:08,724 --> 01:03:10,797
like, 60 percent less, I'm just making up

1839
01:03:10,797 --> 01:03:12,882
a number. Yeah. But it's a dramatic amount

1840
01:03:12,882 --> 01:03:15,110
less. Well, you're gonna see less than half

1841
01:03:15,110 --> 01:03:16,940
as many deer because you saw them because

1842
01:03:16,940 --> 01:03:18,873
they moved. Yes. So

1843
01:03:19,502 --> 01:03:22,130
But that's why I'm so... Yep. That's why

1844
01:03:22,210 --> 01:03:24,201
I'm so adamant about, like, I'm gonna know

1845
01:03:24,201 --> 01:03:26,351
this deer top to bottom where he beds

1846
01:03:26,351 --> 01:03:27,307
where he hangs out.

1847
01:03:28,198 --> 01:03:30,744
Because then those small windows that he actually

1848
01:03:30,744 --> 01:03:31,061
moves,

1849
01:03:31,619 --> 01:03:34,084
I'm really dialed in where I'm looking. Yes.

1850
01:03:35,612 --> 01:03:37,686
Well, dude, like, the whole frost thing.

1851
01:03:38,403 --> 01:03:40,556
I think it's so important that hunters understand

1852
01:03:40,556 --> 01:03:43,028
that because it could... I think it completely

1853
01:03:43,028 --> 01:03:45,677
changes a Deer die. I am convinced that

1854
01:03:45,677 --> 01:03:47,912
once you get, and it might be like

1855
01:03:47,912 --> 01:03:50,088
a couple for us, but I think that

1856
01:03:50,227 --> 01:03:53,181
nutritional value of plants completely changes like,

1857
01:03:54,314 --> 01:03:56,711
There's multiple different species of plants that they

1858
01:03:56,711 --> 01:03:59,427
can even eat until a frost happens, and

1859
01:03:59,427 --> 01:04:00,247
then they will

1860
01:04:00,626 --> 01:04:01,445
switch over

1861
01:04:01,838 --> 01:04:04,457
and do that Elder barry is like, do

1862
01:04:04,457 --> 01:04:04,616
you...

1863
01:04:05,410 --> 01:04:06,601
It's so crazy if you can find an

1864
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:08,983
Elder berry bush, like up in deer country?

1865
01:04:09,713 --> 01:04:11,545
And you really pay attention to him most

1866
01:04:11,545 --> 01:04:13,298
of the time, if you go walk around

1867
01:04:13,298 --> 01:04:14,334
like an Elder berry bush.

1868
01:04:15,051 --> 01:04:17,137
And it's in pretty good deer country, you

1869
01:04:17,137 --> 01:04:19,623
will not, like, anything those deer can reach

1870
01:04:19,918 --> 01:04:22,644
it has been 8, like once it frost

1871
01:04:22,780 --> 01:04:23,972
and have frost happens.

1872
01:04:24,623 --> 01:04:26,372
They can't eat those berries. I think they're

1873
01:04:26,372 --> 01:04:28,838
poisonous. Yeah. They're poisonous. I think it's... I

1874
01:04:28,838 --> 01:04:30,905
can't remember the ad. What it is. It's

1875
01:04:30,905 --> 01:04:32,654
like, it might be the same thing that's

1876
01:04:32,654 --> 01:04:33,688
in, like, an apple seed.

1877
01:04:34,499 --> 01:04:37,692
But mh. It's basically poisonous as soon as

1878
01:04:37,692 --> 01:04:40,246
it freezes, that poison gets sucked down into

1879
01:04:40,246 --> 01:04:42,322
the roots of that plant, and then they're

1880
01:04:42,322 --> 01:04:42,641
edible.

1881
01:04:43,373 --> 01:04:45,833
And do gear. Love them. And they they

1882
01:04:45,833 --> 01:04:47,895
will never touch that plan until it freezes.

1883
01:04:48,213 --> 01:04:50,037
And so there's all of these changes that

1884
01:04:50,037 --> 01:04:52,039
are going on that I don't think the

1885
01:04:52,039 --> 01:04:53,398
average guy. And I do hear a lot

1886
01:04:53,398 --> 01:04:54,277
of people just say,

1887
01:04:54,916 --> 01:04:56,675
oh, they become a different animal.

1888
01:04:57,634 --> 01:04:59,711
I like you said when at the... I

1889
01:04:59,711 --> 01:05:01,070
don't believe that... I don't either... Well I

1890
01:05:01,070 --> 01:05:03,562
mean, All summer long, I watch a mow

1891
01:05:03,562 --> 01:05:05,800
down, like, fire weed and all these different

1892
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:07,798
flowers. As as as soon as it freezes

1893
01:05:07,798 --> 01:05:09,796
hard. You all of the flowers stop and

1894
01:05:09,796 --> 01:05:11,449
fall off. They don't care about it. They

1895
01:05:11,648 --> 01:05:14,056
completely almost ignore it. Like I've watched them

1896
01:05:14,191 --> 01:05:14,906
across the hillside.

1897
01:05:15,701 --> 01:05:17,449
They're all a sudden hitting browse. You know

1898
01:05:17,449 --> 01:05:20,072
what I mean? Like, yeah it's weird.

1899
01:05:20,883 --> 01:05:22,638
There's just things going on that I don't

1900
01:05:22,638 --> 01:05:23,138
think

1901
01:05:23,994 --> 01:05:25,430
I wish I could talk to a deer

1902
01:05:25,430 --> 01:05:25,908
for a day.

1903
01:05:26,865 --> 01:05:29,497
Yeah. I... Well, I'm right there with you

1904
01:05:29,497 --> 01:05:30,429
that, but they are

1905
01:05:30,868 --> 01:05:32,939
They are not a different animal. They're the

1906
01:05:32,939 --> 01:05:35,648
same animal under different circumstances is Yes. Is,

1907
01:05:35,807 --> 01:05:37,242
I think a hundred percent of what it

1908
01:05:37,242 --> 01:05:38,213
is. Yes.

1909
01:05:39,327 --> 01:05:41,716
Well, in your whole, dude the whole movement

1910
01:05:41,716 --> 01:05:41,955
thing,

1911
01:05:42,751 --> 01:05:44,105
it's 1 of the funniest things.

1912
01:05:44,663 --> 01:05:46,176
I see you guys get crazy.

1913
01:05:46,668 --> 01:05:49,216
Like, not... They'll get into a spotting scope

1914
01:05:49,216 --> 01:05:50,910
using a spotting scope for

1915
01:05:51,286 --> 01:05:51,923
2 hours,

1916
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:54,232
and they literally will never look back in

1917
01:05:54,232 --> 01:05:56,713
their and they're just picking apart this hillside

1918
01:05:56,713 --> 01:05:58,940
looking for, like, a 9. Due to such

1919
01:05:58,940 --> 01:06:02,215
waste of time, I put a guy that

1920
01:06:02,215 --> 01:06:05,470
is using a spotting scope efficiently smartly, and

1921
01:06:05,470 --> 01:06:07,772
then putting a guy using tens,

1922
01:06:08,565 --> 01:06:09,780
like, just some

1923
01:06:10,232 --> 01:06:13,190
8 whatever. 8 power, 10 power, and he's,

1924
01:06:13,349 --> 01:06:15,815
like, rolling them in to scan the entire

1925
01:06:15,815 --> 01:06:18,219
area, it may say every. It's at least

1926
01:06:18,219 --> 01:06:20,217
once every 10 minutes for maybe 1 minute

1927
01:06:20,217 --> 01:06:22,295
or whatever. Just making sure he's looking at

1928
01:06:22,295 --> 01:06:24,293
all of it, Do you don't bet money.

1929
01:06:24,532 --> 01:06:26,130
That guy that's going back and forth the

1930
01:06:26,130 --> 01:06:26,630
bin.

1931
01:06:27,263 --> 01:06:29,644
Is probably out spotting the guy getting super

1932
01:06:29,644 --> 01:06:31,629
crazy with the spotting scope. It's just filled

1933
01:06:31,629 --> 01:06:33,931
a view and all of those things forward

1934
01:06:33,931 --> 01:06:34,249
to play.

1935
01:06:35,217 --> 01:06:35,931
Like 4 to 1.

1936
01:06:36,963 --> 01:06:39,424
4 to 1 he's eval spotting guy. I...

1937
01:06:39,663 --> 01:06:40,139
And... Yeah.

1938
01:06:40,933 --> 01:06:43,411
Spotting scope has its place. Like, I'm... You...

1939
01:06:43,570 --> 01:06:45,400
You'll never see me anywhere without a big

1940
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:47,548
spotting scope with you. My small spotting scope

1941
01:06:47,548 --> 01:06:48,822
is is ASTX

1942
01:06:48,822 --> 01:06:50,731
95, and then I've got a 01:15 for

1943
01:06:50,731 --> 01:06:51,766
what it gets really serious.

1944
01:06:52,498 --> 01:06:54,414
And then love... And then on 6... On

1945
01:06:54,414 --> 01:06:56,170
trips where I don't wanna take a spotting

1946
01:06:56,170 --> 01:06:59,682
scope By taking Fcc. So... Yeah. Yeah. You

1947
01:06:59,682 --> 01:06:59,842
know,

1948
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:01,094
never

1949
01:07:01,613 --> 01:07:03,768
no like, that... There's there's no trip that

1950
01:07:03,927 --> 01:07:05,625
I don't have some kind of supplies.

1951
01:07:06,003 --> 01:07:07,998
Send the same way, man. Won't be with...

1952
01:07:08,317 --> 01:07:08,716
For me,

1953
01:07:09,609 --> 01:07:12,886
for me, spotting scope starts, like spotting scope

1954
01:07:12,886 --> 01:07:13,286
lasting,

1955
01:07:13,765 --> 01:07:14,005
like,

1956
01:07:14,724 --> 01:07:16,961
starts at 2 miles. This spotting scope learn

1957
01:07:16,961 --> 01:07:18,880
to verify what I saw with my bin.

1958
01:07:19,134 --> 01:07:19,293
Yes.

1959
01:07:21,604 --> 01:07:23,755
And you're... So you're a cover... You're you're

1960
01:07:23,755 --> 01:07:26,487
in the cover the hill camp. 20 times

1961
01:07:26,798 --> 01:07:29,740
versus cover it thoroughly once. Right? That's kind

1962
01:07:29,740 --> 01:07:30,853
of the camp you'd would put yourself in.

1963
01:07:31,092 --> 01:07:31,490
Oh, yeah...

1964
01:07:32,206 --> 01:07:34,034
Yeah. Just glued on it. Just glued on

1965
01:07:34,034 --> 01:07:36,281
it staring at you know, different sections of

1966
01:07:36,281 --> 01:07:38,756
the... You know, III

1967
01:07:38,756 --> 01:07:40,911
tried grit sometimes. I get bored. I'm, like,

1968
01:07:41,150 --> 01:07:43,465
and, like, every other Adhd deer hunter out

1969
01:07:43,465 --> 01:07:46,106
there. Like, let me new, man. You know,

1970
01:07:46,264 --> 01:07:47,775
I just... I bounce around, like, a fart

1971
01:07:47,775 --> 01:07:49,286
and skillet it. So it's like, I I

1972
01:07:49,286 --> 01:07:51,115
go from high probability. I spend most of

1973
01:07:51,115 --> 01:07:53,421
my time in the highest probability thoughts. Yep.

1974
01:07:53,834 --> 01:07:55,292
And then I'll scan around,

1975
01:07:55,670 --> 01:07:58,382
like, different transitional areas where I don't expect

1976
01:07:58,382 --> 01:07:59,818
to see him as much. Yep. But I

1977
01:07:59,818 --> 01:08:00,696
still always look at them.

1978
01:08:01,429 --> 01:08:01,907
And

1979
01:08:02,306 --> 01:08:03,982
you know, I try and I try and

1980
01:08:03,982 --> 01:08:05,818
be efficient with the time I'm able to

1981
01:08:05,818 --> 01:08:08,211
pay attention. Like, pretty good at focusing on

1982
01:08:08,211 --> 01:08:09,065
mule dear, but

1983
01:08:09,897 --> 01:08:12,276
but, you know, being able to truly focus,

1984
01:08:12,990 --> 01:08:15,527
like, hours and hours and hours on end,

1985
01:08:17,289 --> 01:08:18,729
It it really takes a lot of effort.

1986
01:08:19,130 --> 01:08:21,289
Yeah. Well, and I dude not... I've honestly,

1987
01:08:22,250 --> 01:08:23,929
over the years, I used to kinda be

1988
01:08:23,929 --> 01:08:26,180
that guy, Like, I would I would sit...

1989
01:08:26,499 --> 01:08:28,091
I and I'd go with somebody buddies, you

1990
01:08:28,091 --> 01:08:29,842
know, and I'd sit and get really serious

1991
01:08:29,842 --> 01:08:31,593
in a spotting scope, And I'd be, you

1992
01:08:31,593 --> 01:08:33,319
know, scanning into those hard to

1993
01:08:33,756 --> 01:08:35,818
look at places and I'll still do that.

1994
01:08:36,055 --> 01:08:37,562
But dude, I have this rule, And I

1995
01:08:37,641 --> 01:08:39,227
I like, have this rule in the back

1996
01:08:39,227 --> 01:08:40,655
of my head. If it's been more than

1997
01:08:40,655 --> 01:08:42,739
10 minutes, and my bin particulars have not

1998
01:08:42,739 --> 01:08:44,491
been on my tripod. I'm breaking all of

1999
01:08:44,491 --> 01:08:47,439
the rules. Like, throughout the day, I will

2000
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:49,670
always... Even if I'm getting serious looking with

2001
01:08:49,670 --> 01:08:52,314
my spotting scope, maybe far away. I'll always

2002
01:08:52,314 --> 01:08:54,706
just get my bin out and go through

2003
01:08:54,706 --> 01:08:57,018
a complete scan of the entire area a

2004
01:08:57,018 --> 01:08:58,453
dude, and I can't tell you how many

2005
01:08:58,453 --> 01:09:00,139
bucks I picked up. That all of a

2006
01:09:00,139 --> 01:09:01,886
sudden got on their feet, their change in

2007
01:09:01,886 --> 01:09:04,132
beds, maybe the sun hit him. Who knows

2008
01:09:04,188 --> 01:09:06,490
what the reason is. But I spot them

2009
01:09:06,490 --> 01:09:08,493
that way where if a guy is just

2010
01:09:08,493 --> 01:09:10,663
sitting in his spotting scope looking at this

2011
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:13,665
hundred foot section of the mountain, he misses

2012
01:09:13,665 --> 01:09:15,672
all that. And it's I don't know. I

2013
01:09:15,672 --> 01:09:17,266
think you can get too wild in a

2014
01:09:17,266 --> 01:09:17,905
spotting scope.

2015
01:09:18,782 --> 01:09:21,176
Yeah. I think that frequency of exposure, like,

2016
01:09:21,335 --> 01:09:22,850
just the amount of times you look at

2017
01:09:22,850 --> 01:09:24,739
all the important parts of the hill is

2018
01:09:24,859 --> 01:09:26,131
Yes. It's super critical.

2019
01:09:27,404 --> 01:09:29,392
Yeah. It was it real... I'm I'm glad

2020
01:09:29,392 --> 01:09:30,664
you brought that up because it was just

2021
01:09:30,664 --> 01:09:32,176
interesting to hear you say that because, like,

2022
01:09:32,413 --> 01:09:34,104
I am in that exact same camp. But

2023
01:09:34,265 --> 01:09:35,564
I know there's guys that are

2024
01:09:36,024 --> 01:09:36,524
efficient

2025
01:09:36,824 --> 01:09:38,185
you know, and they get get it done

2026
01:09:38,185 --> 01:09:39,704
and they really spend a whole bunch of

2027
01:09:39,704 --> 01:09:41,725
time in a spotting scope. Are you

2028
01:09:42,038 --> 01:09:44,028
Are you an angled spotting scope guy or

2029
01:09:44,028 --> 01:09:46,811
a straight body small guy. Straight straight spotting

2030
01:09:46,811 --> 01:09:48,561
style. My angle wonder bat.

2031
01:09:49,212 --> 01:09:51,119
My guy because, like, dude, this is another

2032
01:09:51,119 --> 01:09:52,708
thing. And And I I actually got a

2033
01:09:52,708 --> 01:09:55,171
podcast coming out about this, but, like, this

2034
01:09:55,171 --> 01:09:57,173
is my thing. If you have an angled

2035
01:09:57,173 --> 01:09:59,637
spotting scope, you're adjusting your tripod. And when

2036
01:09:59,637 --> 01:10:01,943
you adjust your tripod, I don't care who

2037
01:10:01,943 --> 01:10:03,692
you are, you start to get lazy,

2038
01:10:04,104 --> 01:10:06,353
and you don't go back and forth between

2039
01:10:06,648 --> 01:10:08,476
and spotting scope like you should be. That's

2040
01:10:08,476 --> 01:10:09,350
my take. And, like,

2041
01:10:10,384 --> 01:10:11,202
to change

2042
01:10:12,069 --> 01:10:14,147
I think for a guy to be super

2043
01:10:14,147 --> 01:10:15,926
efficient, you should be able to

2044
01:10:16,305 --> 01:10:19,101
spot something in your bin vernacular and without

2045
01:10:19,101 --> 01:10:21,994
adjusting that tripod in... I'm talking in 10

2046
01:10:21,994 --> 01:10:24,395
seconds. Have that book in your spotting scope.

2047
01:10:25,195 --> 01:10:28,255
Exactly. You didn't touch your tripod just switching

2048
01:10:28,649 --> 01:10:31,031
quickly out. I think that's super important. But...

2049
01:10:31,270 --> 01:10:33,970
Yep. Yeah. Yep. I can't stand angled spotting

2050
01:10:33,970 --> 01:10:35,401
scope. I also think you're... I I don't

2051
01:10:35,401 --> 01:10:38,284
care how proficient you are. Your slower finding

2052
01:10:38,284 --> 01:10:40,764
game with an angled spotting scope. I agree

2053
01:10:40,764 --> 01:10:42,685
to I agree too, dude in, like, in

2054
01:10:42,685 --> 01:10:44,444
the thick country, like you were talking about

2055
01:10:44,444 --> 01:10:45,164
hunting the burns.

2056
01:10:45,899 --> 01:10:47,649
You know, there's some of those hillside that

2057
01:10:47,729 --> 01:10:51,310
I'm glass into. And, literally, it looks like

2058
01:10:51,310 --> 01:10:53,380
there are parts of it, the look the

2059
01:10:53,380 --> 01:10:54,733
exact same for, you know,

2060
01:10:55,544 --> 01:10:57,457
I don't know half my. Like, it's just...

2061
01:10:57,696 --> 01:10:59,927
It's all the same. And there are some

2062
01:10:59,927 --> 01:11:01,384
times you find something

2063
01:11:02,158 --> 01:11:05,033
in my my bin oc and all I

2064
01:11:05,033 --> 01:11:07,572
do, hit my quick release. Grab my spotting

2065
01:11:07,572 --> 01:11:09,317
scope, put it in there and that buck

2066
01:11:09,317 --> 01:11:11,141
will be in the field of view of

2067
01:11:11,141 --> 01:11:13,564
my spotting scope just like well, as my.

2068
01:11:15,052 --> 01:11:17,519
Additionally to that, like, I actually tune my

2069
01:11:17,519 --> 01:11:20,639
plate on my spotting scope man, the center

2070
01:11:20,639 --> 01:11:22,716
of aim on my bin in the center

2071
01:11:22,716 --> 01:11:24,794
of aim on my spotting you like. It

2072
01:11:24,794 --> 01:11:26,313
can be tough it can be tough with

2073
01:11:26,313 --> 01:11:28,331
up down because there's not really any adjust

2074
01:11:28,470 --> 01:11:30,078
for that. I got a I got a

2075
01:11:30,078 --> 01:11:32,546
hint for you, dude. So I got these

2076
01:11:32,625 --> 01:11:33,125
Shi

2077
01:11:33,580 --> 01:11:34,796
they're Mh. Ultra

2078
01:11:35,410 --> 01:11:37,559
fine. What who are you... Which system are

2079
01:11:37,559 --> 01:11:38,489
you using? I

2080
01:11:39,488 --> 01:11:40,046
I've got a,

2081
01:11:40,924 --> 01:11:41,323
through ray.

2082
01:11:42,121 --> 01:11:43,578
So I got a plate

2083
01:11:44,195 --> 01:11:45,073
that will go.

2084
01:11:46,603 --> 01:11:48,990
If you're using something that attaches, so you're

2085
01:11:48,990 --> 01:11:51,775
right, like, if I use, like outdoors system

2086
01:11:51,775 --> 01:11:54,720
versus, like Sw like I put, like, an

2087
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:57,461
outdoors rail. I like their balance rail

2088
01:11:58,628 --> 01:12:00,296
underneath my spotting scope just because it I

2089
01:12:00,296 --> 01:12:01,804
kinda lets me get away with a little

2090
01:12:01,804 --> 01:12:04,363
smaller. But dude, I got these little... Tiny

2091
01:12:04,363 --> 01:12:06,037
metal shi like, I'm talking.

2092
01:12:07,074 --> 01:12:09,010
I don't know if they're, like a thousand

2093
01:12:09,148 --> 01:12:10,663
they are so... I don't even know what

2094
01:12:10,663 --> 01:12:12,338
they're made out of, but dude, I can

2095
01:12:12,338 --> 01:12:14,903
adjust my height, I actually... I'll have to

2096
01:12:14,903 --> 01:12:17,053
show you this. I can, like, it's super

2097
01:12:17,053 --> 01:12:19,761
cool. Like, get left and right. Perfect and

2098
01:12:19,761 --> 01:12:21,752
my up down so, like, it's money.

2099
01:12:22,644 --> 01:12:24,957
That stuff matters. It does. Dude, like, it...

2100
01:12:25,197 --> 01:12:26,871
I think it really does. Like, in...

2101
01:12:27,668 --> 01:12:28,865
Because there's been instances.

2102
01:12:29,344 --> 01:12:31,019
This is what's happened to me and why

2103
01:12:31,098 --> 01:12:32,055
I kinda got into this.

2104
01:12:32,707 --> 01:12:34,613
Is I dude I caught this buck, you

2105
01:12:34,613 --> 01:12:36,676
know, in my bin particulars. I'm hall in

2106
01:12:36,676 --> 01:12:38,819
ass, I'm getting my spotting scope out. I

2107
01:12:38,819 --> 01:12:40,407
get it on and all I see is

2108
01:12:40,407 --> 01:12:42,114
the tell of him. Going

2109
01:12:42,492 --> 01:12:44,009
into the trees because I had to make

2110
01:12:44,009 --> 01:12:46,802
a little adjustment like that. Dude you cost

2111
01:12:46,802 --> 01:12:47,302
me

2112
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:50,176
sitting on that mountain for freaking 3 days

2113
01:12:50,408 --> 01:12:52,403
Dude, I lost those 3 days, and he

2114
01:12:52,403 --> 01:12:53,759
ended up being a good book, but I

2115
01:12:53,759 --> 01:12:55,832
wasn't, like super excited about in pursuit at

2116
01:12:55,832 --> 01:12:57,507
the time when I saw him going into

2117
01:12:57,507 --> 01:12:59,262
the trees. I was like, that's a good

2118
01:12:59,262 --> 01:12:59,502
buck.

2119
01:13:00,395 --> 01:13:01,354
And if I would've have just been on

2120
01:13:01,354 --> 01:13:02,234
him a little faster,

2121
01:13:03,194 --> 01:13:04,795
and then there's been some other instances I

2122
01:13:04,795 --> 01:13:06,234
never even got to see the deer again.

2123
01:13:06,474 --> 01:13:07,034
So, yeah.

2124
01:13:07,688 --> 01:13:10,157
Well, additionally to that, the other thing I've

2125
01:13:10,157 --> 01:13:11,113
kind of adopted,

2126
01:13:11,830 --> 01:13:13,822
I view almost all of my spotting scope

2127
01:13:13,822 --> 01:13:15,733
looking through my cell phone now. U. And

2128
01:13:15,813 --> 01:13:18,465
I record everything. Mh. Because I can't tell

2129
01:13:18,465 --> 01:13:19,764
you how many times

2130
01:13:20,304 --> 01:13:22,304
I've seen a buck for just a second

2131
01:13:22,304 --> 01:13:23,664
or 2, and he only gives you that

2132
01:13:23,664 --> 01:13:25,425
1 good look. Really quick.

2133
01:13:26,557 --> 01:13:27,057
And

2134
01:13:28,068 --> 01:13:29,976
you can lie to yourself about what you

2135
01:13:29,976 --> 01:13:32,202
think something is on a first impression judgment.

2136
01:13:32,440 --> 01:13:34,507
Yes. But, man, if you can go back

2137
01:13:34,507 --> 01:13:35,564
and zoom in

2138
01:13:35,954 --> 01:13:37,891
and rewind and book back

2139
01:13:38,269 --> 01:13:40,265
and and look at them from every angle

2140
01:13:40,265 --> 01:13:42,181
he gave you. Even if it's a little

2141
01:13:42,181 --> 01:13:44,257
bit lower quality than actually just seeing it

2142
01:13:44,257 --> 01:13:44,895
through the glass.

2143
01:13:45,787 --> 01:13:48,169
I feel like that's better for for scouting

2144
01:13:48,169 --> 01:13:48,645
for sure.

2145
01:13:50,631 --> 01:13:53,014
To the Otherwise, I can't tell you how

2146
01:13:53,014 --> 01:13:54,859
many gear I've seen for a second or

2147
01:13:54,859 --> 01:13:56,372
2, and they just give you that 1

2148
01:13:56,372 --> 01:13:58,282
quick look and it's like, do I stay

2149
01:13:58,282 --> 01:14:00,194
here tomorrow? Or do I go somewhere else?

2150
01:14:00,910 --> 01:14:03,399
Completely agree to. Dude there's been so many

2151
01:14:03,399 --> 01:14:05,500
times. And even when I had

2152
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:09,000
various, like, phone scope type systems. Like, I'm

2153
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:10,680
looking at the deer watching and walking at

2154
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:13,175
the trees, like exactly like you're saying, and

2155
01:14:13,335 --> 01:14:14,215
I didn't dare,

2156
01:14:14,854 --> 01:14:15,414
put my...

2157
01:14:16,295 --> 01:14:18,935
Take the second to, like, miss this deer

2158
01:14:18,935 --> 01:14:20,867
walking into the trees, and I'd... Have no

2159
01:14:20,867 --> 01:14:24,295
footage man. Like... Yeah. Yep. What covered it

2160
01:14:24,295 --> 01:14:24,932
on as soon...

2161
01:14:25,890 --> 01:14:28,361
So I... I'm using all in right now

2162
01:14:28,361 --> 01:14:31,114
and And it just... Everything is a compromise.

2163
01:14:31,494 --> 01:14:31,994
The

2164
01:14:32,454 --> 01:14:33,654
the all really...

2165
01:14:34,295 --> 01:14:37,094
It's the fastest for getting Yes. Everything put

2166
01:14:37,094 --> 01:14:37,414
together.

2167
01:14:37,909 --> 01:14:41,023
But the case is just not awesome. And

2168
01:14:41,102 --> 01:14:43,737
Right the Yeah. The double sticky tape that

2169
01:14:43,737 --> 01:14:45,653
they use to put on their little magnet

2170
01:14:45,653 --> 01:14:48,135
piece is kinda junk. Mh. And then you

2171
01:14:48,135 --> 01:14:50,542
lose you lose the flashlight on your phone

2172
01:14:50,597 --> 01:14:51,494
and you lose

2173
01:14:51,868 --> 01:14:53,774
lose your wide angle lens and you lose

2174
01:14:53,774 --> 01:14:56,257
your Zoom lens so, like, My camera only

2175
01:14:56,257 --> 01:14:58,092
works from 1 x to 2.9.

2176
01:14:58,411 --> 01:15:00,247
So it's like, you know, because there's sometimes

2177
01:15:00,247 --> 01:15:01,682
where I like the digit scope on a

2178
01:15:01,682 --> 01:15:03,453
higher Zoom on my phone. You get a

2179
01:15:03,453 --> 01:15:04,888
little bit more light out of your phone

2180
01:15:04,888 --> 01:15:06,585
than than if you do like a manual

2181
01:15:06,882 --> 01:15:08,158
magnification on your on your spotter.

2182
01:15:09,912 --> 01:15:12,957
You pursue them. You cherish them. And now

2183
01:15:12,957 --> 01:15:15,908
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2184
01:15:15,908 --> 01:15:16,408
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2185
01:15:16,865 --> 01:15:20,238
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2186
01:15:20,534 --> 01:15:22,210
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2187
01:15:22,863 --> 01:15:25,176
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2188
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2189
01:15:28,685 --> 01:15:31,716
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2190
01:15:31,716 --> 01:15:32,329
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2191
01:15:32,930 --> 01:15:35,970
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2192
01:15:36,689 --> 01:15:40,303
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2193
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2194
01:15:43,496 --> 01:15:44,135
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2195
01:15:44,773 --> 01:15:45,572
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2196
01:15:46,130 --> 01:15:46,630
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2197
01:15:47,009 --> 01:15:47,509
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2198
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Don't just witnessed their journey,

2199
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2200
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2201
01:15:53,886 --> 01:15:56,975
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2202
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2203
01:16:01,414 --> 01:16:03,734
Dude I'm with you... So I'm using the

2204
01:16:03,734 --> 01:16:06,064
same... The all into. I don't think there's

2205
01:16:06,064 --> 01:16:08,291
a better system out there. As far as

2206
01:16:08,291 --> 01:16:08,609
speed,

2207
01:16:09,404 --> 01:16:11,711
like, to throw it up on itself aligns.

2208
01:16:11,949 --> 01:16:13,086
Everything's perfect.

2209
01:16:14,032 --> 01:16:15,461
I do love it. I just wish they

2210
01:16:15,461 --> 01:16:17,207
could make those few little tweaks. Like, I

2211
01:16:17,207 --> 01:16:19,589
think if they could make, like, somehow figure

2212
01:16:19,589 --> 01:16:21,908
something out. I don't know if they made

2213
01:16:21,908 --> 01:16:23,904
it slide into play. I don't know. That

2214
01:16:24,063 --> 01:16:25,100
I just wish they could come up with

2215
01:16:25,100 --> 01:16:27,894
something. Yeah. If agree. I'm I'm... I... And

2216
01:16:27,973 --> 01:16:29,981
I feel like the Mag view I got

2217
01:16:29,981 --> 01:16:31,494
to where I could I could have it

2218
01:16:31,494 --> 01:16:34,201
adjusted in maybe 2 seconds. Like, I was

2219
01:16:34,201 --> 01:16:35,713
pretty darn fast at it. Most of the

2220
01:16:35,713 --> 01:16:36,988
time I get it right where it need

2221
01:16:36,988 --> 01:16:38,600
to be... And have to make just, like,

2222
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:40,199
a tiny fractional shift.

2223
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:42,760
But it it's it's better for everything else,

2224
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:44,520
but it's like, I don't Don't... There's no...

2225
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:47,175
Everything's a compromise. Yes. I agree, man. And

2226
01:16:47,255 --> 01:16:48,614
I think... But I do think for me,

2227
01:16:49,094 --> 01:16:50,774
like, in the heat of the bad, like,

2228
01:16:51,414 --> 01:16:53,654
defining a buck. It's just like I want

2229
01:16:53,654 --> 01:16:55,494
that thing quick and on there in 2

2230
01:16:55,494 --> 01:16:57,028
seconds. I don't even have to think about

2231
01:16:57,028 --> 01:16:57,108
it.

2232
01:16:57,987 --> 01:16:59,824
Yeah. But what you what I ended up

2233
01:16:59,824 --> 01:17:00,885
doing is I

2234
01:17:01,343 --> 01:17:03,661
I take the all in case off for

2235
01:17:03,661 --> 01:17:04,380
just like regular...

2236
01:17:04,953 --> 01:17:07,184
Stuff. U. I then what happens, I forget

2237
01:17:07,184 --> 01:17:09,654
the dang thing sometimes. So oh, yeah. Yep.

2238
01:17:09,971 --> 01:17:11,884
It's just... I don't I don't know. There's

2239
01:17:11,884 --> 01:17:13,818
there's no perfect answer for sure,

2240
01:17:14,768 --> 01:17:16,125
I do I do have 1 other thing

2241
01:17:16,205 --> 01:17:17,642
I wanted to hit you with. Yeah.

2242
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:20,436
Because we were we were originally gonna do

2243
01:17:20,436 --> 01:17:21,634
this a few months ago. And I'm like,

2244
01:17:21,873 --> 01:17:23,310
man, on a few days away from getting

2245
01:17:23,310 --> 01:17:25,479
the back. On the butt. Yes. That dude,

2246
01:17:25,638 --> 01:17:28,131
And I I like, I got... We got

2247
01:17:28,189 --> 01:17:30,341
tele taco bucks story it. Yeah. Dude. The

2248
01:17:30,341 --> 01:17:33,467
age. I want it. Yes. On So and

2249
01:17:33,467 --> 01:17:35,144
and this ties into the the other guy

2250
01:17:35,144 --> 01:17:36,341
that was on him. And he'd actually get

2251
01:17:36,341 --> 01:17:39,076
hunting him for 2 years. And he had

2252
01:17:39,135 --> 01:17:41,291
pictures and, like, good quality pictures and video

2253
01:17:41,291 --> 01:17:42,662
of the buck. The year before

2254
01:17:43,220 --> 01:17:44,816
Know this. I do... Dude, I don't think

2255
01:17:44,816 --> 01:17:46,411
you... Yeah. I think when you... We were

2256
01:17:46,411 --> 01:17:48,086
talking about this, is said don't tell me

2257
01:17:48,086 --> 01:17:49,761
anymore. I wanna get it on the podcast.

2258
01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:51,617
Yeah. So

2259
01:17:51,929 --> 01:17:53,124
The buck was 8 years old,

2260
01:17:53,841 --> 01:17:54,579
lab age.

2261
01:17:55,752 --> 01:17:56,252
And

2262
01:17:57,664 --> 01:17:59,735
I don't know... You know, it was such

2263
01:17:59,735 --> 01:18:00,531
a good year.

2264
01:18:01,264 --> 01:18:03,579
Weather wise for growth, but I don't know

2265
01:18:03,579 --> 01:18:05,096
if the if the winner beat him up

2266
01:18:05,096 --> 01:18:07,810
so hard. Bet Bet gross score he probably

2267
01:18:07,810 --> 01:18:09,647
about the same, but his mainframe was definitely

2268
01:18:09,647 --> 01:18:10,605
bigger the year before.

2269
01:18:11,260 --> 01:18:13,020
So it's so to read into that too

2270
01:18:13,020 --> 01:18:15,500
much. So it's very... Did you listen to

2271
01:18:15,659 --> 01:18:16,800
Robbie and

2272
01:18:17,420 --> 01:18:18,219
doctor Monte.

2273
01:18:18,554 --> 01:18:21,335
The they all your guys. Yeah. So so,

2274
01:18:21,573 --> 01:18:23,957
Dude, he was seeing on collar deer. Now,

2275
01:18:24,196 --> 01:18:25,546
this is really good data.

2276
01:18:26,118 --> 01:18:28,582
That he was seeing of, I think he...

2277
01:18:28,979 --> 01:18:31,307
I I could be quoting this wrong. So

2278
01:18:31,363 --> 01:18:33,668
sorry if I got this wrong, everybody. But

2279
01:18:33,748 --> 01:18:35,911
I'm pretty sure he said it was like

2280
01:18:35,911 --> 01:18:37,025
10 to 20 inch,

2281
01:18:37,662 --> 01:18:40,368
different average on all of the bucks that

2282
01:18:40,368 --> 01:18:42,516
they had colored. Now you gotta keep in

2283
01:18:42,516 --> 01:18:44,427
mind. Some of those deer they're looking at.

2284
01:18:45,158 --> 01:18:48,032
10 to 20 inches is going to be,

2285
01:18:48,192 --> 01:18:48,431
like,

2286
01:18:49,070 --> 01:18:51,066
10 percent of their score. Like, they're looking

2287
01:18:51,066 --> 01:18:54,353
at, you know, deer from hundred inches, like,

2288
01:18:54,671 --> 01:18:58,091
small 2 point like, small stuff, all the

2289
01:18:58,091 --> 01:19:00,080
way up to... Yeah. And they were seeing

2290
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:00,636
a 10,

2291
01:19:01,210 --> 01:19:02,969
to 20 inch. I'm quite sure that's what

2292
01:19:02,969 --> 01:19:05,210
it is. I know it was over 10

2293
01:19:05,210 --> 01:19:06,409
inches. I swear. Yeah.

2294
01:19:07,289 --> 01:19:09,069
And then I talked to some of the

2295
01:19:10,022 --> 01:19:11,695
I've talked to some guys that

2296
01:19:12,252 --> 01:19:13,288
are kinda working,

2297
01:19:14,085 --> 01:19:16,475
like guided hunting places like private property and

2298
01:19:16,475 --> 01:19:18,227
they were kinda confirming with some of the

2299
01:19:18,227 --> 01:19:20,493
deer, they they had been

2300
01:19:21,266 --> 01:19:23,813
like, watching over the years that last year

2301
01:19:23,813 --> 01:19:26,042
if the deer did survive, which that some

2302
01:19:26,042 --> 01:19:28,279
of that. Just didn't happen. But they were

2303
01:19:28,279 --> 01:19:29,945
seeing the same things. They were even saying

2304
01:19:29,945 --> 01:19:31,690
even more. And then I look at like

2305
01:19:31,849 --> 01:19:34,307
Scotty Thomson, buck from last year,

2306
01:19:34,878 --> 01:19:36,548
the year prior, you know, he was watching

2307
01:19:36,548 --> 01:19:40,127
in multiple years, down you know, 15, 20

2308
01:19:40,127 --> 01:19:42,592
inches. So it's interesting that your dear,

2309
01:19:43,387 --> 01:19:44,182
was at age?

2310
01:19:45,072 --> 01:19:46,743
Was he hitting that age or was it

2311
01:19:46,743 --> 01:19:49,131
just that freaking rough winter? You know, did

2312
01:19:49,131 --> 01:19:51,438
it, like... And that was last year that

2313
01:19:51,438 --> 01:19:53,109
they were seeing all those stunt growth?

2314
01:19:54,158 --> 01:19:56,146
Winter just dragged on so long, and I

2315
01:19:56,146 --> 01:19:57,975
mean, I don't think nutrition was there for.

2316
01:19:58,214 --> 01:19:59,963
Like it was good. Once it green up,

2317
01:20:00,122 --> 01:20:02,031
but it took a while. So it's interesting.

2318
01:20:02,349 --> 01:20:03,383
That's very interesting.

2319
01:20:04,194 --> 01:20:06,192
And it's so dynamic because I think I

2320
01:20:06,192 --> 01:20:08,269
think Central Idaho is probably some of the

2321
01:20:08,269 --> 01:20:10,426
worst deer habitat that grows big deer in

2322
01:20:10,426 --> 01:20:13,154
this country. Like, it's... You know, we have

2323
01:20:13,154 --> 01:20:14,909
big deals Got it, it just doesn't... It

2324
01:20:14,909 --> 01:20:16,984
doesn't make sense because everything, you, you know,

2325
01:20:17,064 --> 01:20:18,261
if you if you look, if you look

2326
01:20:18,261 --> 01:20:20,590
at what... Central Idaho is composed of. They

2327
01:20:20,590 --> 01:20:22,744
they call the Idaho bath. It's all it's

2328
01:20:22,744 --> 01:20:25,856
all rock. Like, Yes. It's 1 giant granite

2329
01:20:25,856 --> 01:20:26,495
rock structure,

2330
01:20:26,988 --> 01:20:28,972
And most of the dirt is just ground

2331
01:20:28,972 --> 01:20:31,774
down granite. Like, it's not actual dirt soil

2332
01:20:31,989 --> 01:20:33,973
like, what, you know, everywhere else has. It's

2333
01:20:33,973 --> 01:20:35,481
all just broke down rock, and there's not...

2334
01:20:35,893 --> 01:20:37,877
I don't think there's like, great mineral content

2335
01:20:37,877 --> 01:20:38,114
in it.

2336
01:20:39,067 --> 01:20:40,892
So I think our average deer, like, you

2337
01:20:40,892 --> 01:20:42,162
look at our average year and they're pretty

2338
01:20:42,162 --> 01:20:44,225
much smaller than everywhere. We have some exception...

2339
01:20:44,639 --> 01:20:46,159
Deer, but, like, on average, I think it's

2340
01:20:46,159 --> 01:20:49,359
way worth. Yes. Wyoming or Colorado or Utah.

2341
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:52,079
And I think I think that contributes a

2342
01:20:52,079 --> 01:20:55,215
lot to, you how much longevity those deer

2343
01:20:55,215 --> 01:20:56,654
have. It's just they're like, they're not on

2344
01:20:56,654 --> 01:20:57,694
as good of habitat.

2345
01:20:58,094 --> 01:20:59,534
And I think that I think that just...

2346
01:21:00,094 --> 01:21:01,694
I think what you would probably see is

2347
01:21:01,694 --> 01:21:03,385
their teeth wear fast. And this is all

2348
01:21:03,385 --> 01:21:04,578
just, like, you know,

2349
01:21:05,452 --> 01:21:06,406
amateur Yeah.

2350
01:21:07,837 --> 01:21:10,381
Guessing its stuff off of really limited information

2351
01:21:10,381 --> 01:21:13,179
and no scientific process at all. But it

2352
01:21:13,179 --> 01:21:14,792
seems it seems like

2353
01:21:15,565 --> 01:21:18,031
I would assume Dear in Central Idaho probably

2354
01:21:18,031 --> 01:21:19,065
go downhill earlier.

2355
01:21:19,798 --> 01:21:21,795
Very well. I think they live... I think

2356
01:21:21,795 --> 01:21:24,349
they live a harder life. Yes. But it's

2357
01:21:24,349 --> 01:21:25,706
it's so hard to say, because I mean,

2358
01:21:25,865 --> 01:21:28,181
there's there's so many different variables and there's

2359
01:21:28,181 --> 01:21:30,584
so many different contributing factors, But how did

2360
01:21:30,584 --> 01:21:32,653
it teeth look to you? Because, like, everything

2361
01:21:32,653 --> 01:21:34,084
that I've killed So let's see. I think

2362
01:21:34,243 --> 01:21:35,061
I've killed

2363
01:21:37,764 --> 01:21:39,700
I... I'm trying to remember how many 4

2364
01:21:39,918 --> 01:21:42,094
I think 4 over 8, and

2365
01:21:42,711 --> 01:21:45,042
I think it's been kind of interesting that

2366
01:21:45,042 --> 01:21:46,241
04:08 that I think,

2367
01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:48,878
maybe it was... Yeah. Anyways,

2368
01:21:49,837 --> 01:21:52,075
did I... The teeth wear has been...

2369
01:21:52,648 --> 01:21:54,552
A little different on all of them. I

2370
01:21:54,552 --> 01:21:57,170
gotta say. Like, in fact, 1 in Colorado,

2371
01:21:57,328 --> 01:21:58,939
the last 1 I got out of Colorado,

2372
01:22:00,444 --> 01:22:02,364
I didn't think his teeth looked near that

2373
01:22:02,364 --> 01:22:04,284
bad. He was a 9 and a half

2374
01:22:04,284 --> 01:22:05,804
year old deer, but I didn't think his

2375
01:22:05,804 --> 01:22:07,965
teeth like, I would never guessed that looking

2376
01:22:07,965 --> 01:22:09,333
at his teeth. I thought he was gonna

2377
01:22:09,333 --> 01:22:09,731
come back.

2378
01:22:10,368 --> 01:22:13,393
You know, over 6 for sure, but I

2379
01:22:13,552 --> 01:22:15,223
I that really shocked me. So how did

2380
01:22:15,223 --> 01:22:16,974
this box teeth look? Like did they...

2381
01:22:18,583 --> 01:22:20,578
They were starting to get pretty worn down.

2382
01:22:20,819 --> 01:22:22,894
And from what I understand, like, how sharp

2383
01:22:22,894 --> 01:22:25,130
a deere teeth is directly relates to how

2384
01:22:25,130 --> 01:22:26,646
much nutrition they can get out of their

2385
01:22:26,646 --> 01:22:27,365
feet. Mh.

2386
01:22:28,179 --> 01:22:30,737
And his teeth were definitely starting to look

2387
01:22:30,737 --> 01:22:32,975
less sharp, which is kinda crazy because... And

2388
01:22:32,975 --> 01:22:34,413
this will tie into something else I'm really

2389
01:22:34,413 --> 01:22:35,771
excited to tell you about. The deer I

2390
01:22:35,771 --> 01:22:37,210
killed the year before was 9 and a

2391
01:22:37,210 --> 01:22:40,178
half. And had dramatically better teeth. The deer

2392
01:22:40,178 --> 01:22:41,614
killed the year before that was 8 and

2393
01:22:41,614 --> 01:22:43,929
a half and had dramatically better teeth.

2394
01:22:44,567 --> 01:22:45,067
Interesting

2395
01:22:45,937 --> 01:22:47,763
and and all of them from Central Idaho.

2396
01:22:47,922 --> 01:22:49,351
I mean, 3 different units, but...

2397
01:22:50,384 --> 01:22:52,448
And did all of those bucks? Did you

2398
01:22:52,448 --> 01:22:54,434
know about them the year prior? Did they,

2399
01:22:54,592 --> 01:22:55,882
like... Go up.

2400
01:22:57,079 --> 01:22:59,315
So I only knew about 1 of the

2401
01:22:59,315 --> 01:23:01,710
8 year old deer. Okay. I'd known about

2402
01:23:01,710 --> 01:23:03,386
him for 2 years before I killed him.

2403
01:23:03,626 --> 01:23:03,864
Cool.

2404
01:23:04,836 --> 01:23:07,301
And he'd stayed about the same size.

2405
01:23:07,938 --> 01:23:09,448
And she was pretty close to the same

2406
01:23:09,448 --> 01:23:11,770
size. The 1 the year before, he's he's

2407
01:23:11,770 --> 01:23:13,518
the 1 I killed that had, like, 21

2408
01:23:13,518 --> 01:23:15,584
inch long g twos and really Goofy looking

2409
01:23:15,743 --> 01:23:16,640
Forks and

2410
01:23:17,729 --> 01:23:19,477
and he's only scored, like, 01:60 something.

2411
01:23:20,050 --> 01:23:21,409
That's so interesting man.

2412
01:23:22,289 --> 01:23:25,010
Yeah. But the other crazy revelation because I've

2413
01:23:25,010 --> 01:23:26,310
aged my dear for,

2414
01:23:26,770 --> 01:23:28,620
I got all my mats and things. Opened

2415
01:23:28,620 --> 01:23:30,522
up now. I started agent deer.

2416
01:23:32,185 --> 01:23:33,612
What was it, like, 27...

2417
01:23:33,850 --> 01:23:36,966
16 or 17. U. It's 17. So I've

2418
01:23:36,966 --> 01:23:39,143
aged everything I've killed since 20 17.

2419
01:23:40,319 --> 01:23:40,819
And

2420
01:23:41,837 --> 01:23:43,353
it was just like a month ago. Maybe

2421
01:23:43,512 --> 01:23:44,891
I was looking at all over

2422
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:45,918
And,

2423
01:23:46,634 --> 01:23:48,619
I killed my my buck last year was

2424
01:23:48,619 --> 01:23:51,957
8. My buddy Awards buck was 8. Another

2425
01:23:51,957 --> 01:23:53,880
buddy mine Anthony. All of these in you

2426
01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:55,399
know, on a pretty tight area to where

2427
01:23:55,639 --> 01:23:57,399
I killed my butt. U His butt was

2428
01:23:57,399 --> 01:23:59,239
also 8. So we killed 3 deer that

2429
01:23:59,239 --> 01:24:00,760
were 8 years old out of the same

2430
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:02,850
area, you And then I looked at my

2431
01:24:02,850 --> 01:24:04,286
buck the year before was 9 and a

2432
01:24:04,286 --> 01:24:06,439
half, and then I had another 8 and

2433
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:07,875
half year old deer, and then a 5

2434
01:24:07,875 --> 01:24:08,992
and a half year old deer. And I'm

2435
01:24:08,992 --> 01:24:10,347
adding all the ages up on these.

2436
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:12,915
I haven't killed a deer in the state

2437
01:24:12,915 --> 01:24:15,149
of Idaho that's been born since 20 15.

2438
01:24:15,707 --> 01:24:16,904
Dude that's incredible.

2439
01:24:18,021 --> 01:24:18,260
Yeah.

2440
01:24:18,991 --> 01:24:21,768
And, I mean, historically, my my average age

2441
01:24:21,768 --> 01:24:22,800
years is 4 and a half, 5 and

2442
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:24,228
a half years old, which makes sense because

2443
01:24:24,228 --> 01:24:25,656
there's gonna be there's gonna be more of

2444
01:24:25,656 --> 01:24:28,532
those that that hit the size threshold that

2445
01:24:28,612 --> 01:24:29,805
I'm gonna wanna shoot. Yep.

2446
01:24:31,079 --> 01:24:32,909
If if you're looking at everything without any

2447
01:24:32,909 --> 01:24:34,842
other influencing factors, but

2448
01:24:35,154 --> 01:24:36,749
that age class doesn't exist.

2449
01:24:37,865 --> 01:24:39,801
Yeah. Like hasn't existed for

2450
01:24:40,178 --> 01:24:42,252
a while now. Yeah. So I've been killing

2451
01:24:42,252 --> 01:24:44,460
older and older deer by virtue of their

2452
01:24:44,818 --> 01:24:46,012
That's what all like.

2453
01:24:47,207 --> 01:24:48,243
Exactly all it's flat.

2454
01:24:49,518 --> 01:24:52,225
Yeah. It's so true. It really is so

2455
01:24:52,225 --> 01:24:55,434
true. It really is. Dude that's, like, that's

2456
01:24:55,434 --> 01:24:56,715
really cool, man. The...

2457
01:24:57,354 --> 01:24:59,514
I mean, god, just throwing those numbers out

2458
01:24:59,514 --> 01:25:02,088
like that. Dude... That's super impressive. Like, to

2459
01:25:02,088 --> 01:25:05,117
do that in central Idaho. We're talking general

2460
01:25:05,117 --> 01:25:07,030
season. None of these have been like draw

2461
01:25:07,030 --> 01:25:09,103
tags right Dion. They're all just like, oh.

2462
01:25:10,234 --> 01:25:12,007
I mean, to do that on

2463
01:25:12,462 --> 01:25:15,407
that is commendable, man. Over, like, That's impressive.

2464
01:25:16,123 --> 01:25:18,049
The craziest 1 of all of it the

2465
01:25:18,049 --> 01:25:19,405
9 and a half year old deer that

2466
01:25:19,405 --> 01:25:21,637
was living above a trail head, and I'm

2467
01:25:21,637 --> 01:25:23,233
not even shy about. It was in unit

2468
01:25:23,233 --> 01:25:25,886
39. Hey literally, 1 of the busiest

2469
01:25:26,822 --> 01:25:27,221
9.

2470
01:25:28,033 --> 01:25:29,386
And there's 13 trucks,

2471
01:25:30,024 --> 01:25:32,093
literally a couple hundred yards away from where

2472
01:25:32,093 --> 01:25:33,447
he lived for 9 and a half years.

2473
01:25:33,606 --> 01:25:35,516
Take that opening day There was 13 trucks

2474
01:25:35,516 --> 01:25:37,444
there. And what do you think about that?

2475
01:25:37,842 --> 01:25:40,630
Bought that that deer... Like, did he just

2476
01:25:40,630 --> 01:25:41,824
figure something out the...

2477
01:25:42,701 --> 01:25:45,180
Hey. I've lived here. There's some trucks down

2478
01:25:45,180 --> 01:25:47,565
here, but they can't see me like a

2479
01:25:47,565 --> 01:25:49,314
deal like that where he just kind of

2480
01:25:49,314 --> 01:25:50,109
exploited a spot.

2481
01:25:51,078 --> 01:25:52,595
Man, this is at risk of shooting myself

2482
01:25:52,595 --> 01:25:54,190
in the foot, but I'm I'm I'm so

2483
01:25:54,190 --> 01:25:56,185
excited about this situation that it's like, it's

2484
01:25:56,185 --> 01:25:57,461
fun to share anyways. U.

2485
01:25:58,193 --> 01:26:01,057
So where that deer lived right above that

2486
01:26:01,057 --> 01:26:01,535
trail head,

2487
01:26:02,331 --> 01:26:03,467
it was it was,

2488
01:26:03,922 --> 01:26:06,230
like, an impossible situation for the average person

2489
01:26:06,230 --> 01:26:08,471
never see that deer. So, yeah. You couldn't

2490
01:26:08,471 --> 01:26:11,094
see him from, like, where these trucks were

2491
01:26:11,094 --> 01:26:12,286
parked? You couldn't see it. Right?

2492
01:26:13,001 --> 01:26:15,478
Well, I'll explain it. So the trail runs

2493
01:26:15,478 --> 01:26:17,222
down in the bottom. U. It's so steep

2494
01:26:17,222 --> 01:26:18,492
at the bottom of the hill that you

2495
01:26:18,492 --> 01:26:20,634
can't see up. Gotcha. At the top of

2496
01:26:20,634 --> 01:26:22,561
the hill, there's so much role

2497
01:26:23,028 --> 01:26:24,615
that you can really only see, like, 20

2498
01:26:24,615 --> 01:26:26,283
30 yards, Yep. Because the hill has so

2499
01:26:26,283 --> 01:26:28,109
much role at the top. And then the

2500
01:26:28,109 --> 01:26:29,618
middle of the hill, the spacing on the

2501
01:26:29,618 --> 01:26:31,944
finger ridge is really tight. Like, there's

2502
01:26:32,254 --> 01:26:34,568
60, 80 yards between fingers and it's really

2503
01:26:34,568 --> 01:26:37,042
brush hillside. Yep. So if you're if you're

2504
01:26:37,042 --> 01:26:38,718
on the top bottom or on the middle

2505
01:26:38,718 --> 01:26:39,356
of that hill,

2506
01:26:40,090 --> 01:26:41,927
There's there's no way to see the deer

2507
01:26:41,927 --> 01:26:43,845
before they're gonna hear you. Mh. So the

2508
01:26:43,845 --> 01:26:45,684
only way to see the deer on that

2509
01:26:45,684 --> 01:26:47,761
hillside is if you're across the canyon. And

2510
01:26:47,761 --> 01:26:49,932
there's no way to kill those deer from

2511
01:26:49,932 --> 01:26:52,001
the hillside they're on. So about the only

2512
01:26:52,001 --> 01:26:53,751
way you could reliably kill a deer on

2513
01:26:53,751 --> 01:26:55,978
that hills shoot cross Canyon. Gotcha.

2514
01:26:57,265 --> 01:26:59,176
Dude, I can think... Well, I know.

2515
01:27:00,369 --> 01:27:02,199
I mean, 1 of the books I killed

2516
01:27:02,199 --> 01:27:02,859
in Wyoming,

2517
01:27:04,524 --> 01:27:05,402
dude this buck,

2518
01:27:06,279 --> 01:27:08,673
it was a book typical. Dude, he was

2519
01:27:08,673 --> 01:27:09,173
living

2520
01:27:09,711 --> 01:27:10,211
literally.

2521
01:27:10,908 --> 01:27:14,207
I... Like, 1 of the craziest busy trails

2522
01:27:14,420 --> 01:27:17,591
in Wyoming, dude. I watch guys the day

2523
01:27:17,591 --> 01:27:19,493
before the opening day when I killed him,

2524
01:27:20,144 --> 01:27:21,579
I bet you I don't even know how

2525
01:27:21,579 --> 01:27:24,132
many pack strings, guys with packs. They're all

2526
01:27:24,132 --> 01:27:26,524
headed way up to the high country. This

2527
01:27:26,524 --> 01:27:28,040
deer are just chilling right off the trail.

2528
01:27:28,359 --> 01:27:30,129
Dude these so close to the trail he

2529
01:27:30,129 --> 01:27:32,042
would literally, like, when the horses would go

2530
01:27:32,042 --> 01:27:32,998
by, he would, like,

2531
01:27:33,954 --> 01:27:34,454
noticeably

2532
01:27:34,911 --> 01:27:36,983
look up there and, like, be paying attention

2533
01:27:36,983 --> 01:27:39,145
and just listen. Mh. Let him go on

2534
01:27:39,145 --> 01:27:41,212
by. Like, he's that like, he is right

2535
01:27:41,212 --> 01:27:43,675
there. But do you Yeah. Couldn't see him.

2536
01:27:44,470 --> 01:27:46,138
If you were on that hill because of

2537
01:27:46,138 --> 01:27:48,146
the way that The hill rolled off. There

2538
01:27:48,146 --> 01:27:49,662
was no way to see you... Like, you

2539
01:27:49,662 --> 01:27:51,738
couldn't see from that trail. You would had

2540
01:27:51,738 --> 01:27:54,531
to hike get off trail, bush at, clear

2541
01:27:54,531 --> 01:27:55,031
around

2542
01:27:55,343 --> 01:27:57,486
and then glass from the other direction. Like,

2543
01:27:57,645 --> 01:27:58,145
it's

2544
01:27:58,597 --> 01:28:00,447
it's crazy what deer

2545
01:28:00,819 --> 01:28:03,058
can tolerate and put up with And, dude,

2546
01:28:03,377 --> 01:28:05,210
I think they do just sometimes exploit some

2547
01:28:05,210 --> 01:28:07,122
of these places, the man,

2548
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:09,752
like, if he got 9 and a half

2549
01:28:09,752 --> 01:28:12,558
years old, and free in that unit in

2550
01:28:12,637 --> 01:28:15,270
Idaho on a general season, he's doing something.

2551
01:28:15,510 --> 01:28:19,098
Right? Like I'm 10000 people hunt that unit

2552
01:28:19,098 --> 01:28:20,786
every year for deer. Yeah.

2553
01:28:21,502 --> 01:28:23,649
It's literally the the highest pressure unit in

2554
01:28:23,649 --> 01:28:26,591
the state of Idaho. Yes. It's just... In

2555
01:28:26,829 --> 01:28:26,988
Mx...

2556
01:28:27,863 --> 01:28:28,363
It's

2557
01:28:28,752 --> 01:28:31,139
I've had enough situation like that where it's

2558
01:28:31,139 --> 01:28:33,525
been like, formative in how my process of

2559
01:28:33,525 --> 01:28:35,927
finding spots to hunt goes because you know,

2560
01:28:36,008 --> 01:28:38,479
the big open beautiful Scenic basins that you

2561
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:40,791
can glass from, you know, 1 high point,

2562
01:28:40,871 --> 01:28:43,104
and see 10 of them. Like, any good

2563
01:28:43,104 --> 01:28:44,194
book that was in those

2564
01:28:44,948 --> 01:28:47,409
everybody's gonna east out that spot. Like they're

2565
01:28:47,409 --> 01:28:49,315
there. There was a if there was a

2566
01:28:49,315 --> 01:28:51,537
good bot there, somebody shot him. Yes.

2567
01:28:52,349 --> 01:28:54,927
So dude That's not even where I'm looking

2568
01:28:54,987 --> 01:28:56,585
anymore. I'm right there with you, dude. I've

2569
01:28:56,585 --> 01:28:58,263
wrote that I wrote the high country off.

2570
01:28:58,662 --> 01:29:00,021
I haven't seen a deer that I wanted

2571
01:29:00,021 --> 01:29:02,034
to kill in the high country. And so

2572
01:29:02,034 --> 01:29:03,555
long the dude, I don't even waste. Like,

2573
01:29:03,795 --> 01:29:05,954
I I don't... I don't... III end up

2574
01:29:05,954 --> 01:29:08,354
going up there because I'm glad alright I

2575
01:29:08,354 --> 01:29:10,525
go up high and I'll glass up there

2576
01:29:10,525 --> 01:29:11,961
a little bit, but what are I'm looking

2577
01:29:11,961 --> 01:29:14,353
is way down low, like, way down in

2578
01:29:14,353 --> 01:29:15,390
the thick stuff.

2579
01:29:16,346 --> 01:29:18,180
Just because dude, like,

2580
01:29:18,835 --> 01:29:21,152
do they cannot survive? They cannot grow old

2581
01:29:21,152 --> 01:29:22,670
in a lot of, like, the, you know,

2582
01:29:22,829 --> 01:29:24,508
the typical high country Like I mentioned that

2583
01:29:24,588 --> 01:29:25,328
Dear Wyoming

2584
01:29:25,787 --> 01:29:26,905
everybody's up to that.

2585
01:29:27,796 --> 01:29:30,582
High country. That's where the books are. That's

2586
01:29:30,582 --> 01:29:32,015
where everybody wants to be and it's like,

2587
01:29:32,094 --> 01:29:34,243
yeah, there's bucks up there. There is. Well,

2588
01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:36,153
but they're not the ones I'm interested in.

2589
01:29:36,312 --> 01:29:38,713
I'm interested. Of. Like, next level ones.

2590
01:29:39,588 --> 01:29:41,417
When I when I handed Wyoming a few

2591
01:29:41,417 --> 01:29:43,485
years ago and I was bouncing ideas off.

2592
01:29:43,724 --> 01:29:45,649
I remember you like halfway to chuckle when

2593
01:29:45,809 --> 01:29:47,087
I told you some of the stuff I

2594
01:29:47,087 --> 01:29:48,447
was looking at, and you're like, man you're

2595
01:29:48,447 --> 01:29:49,166
on the right. Yeah.

2596
01:29:50,364 --> 01:29:50,684
Yes.

2597
01:29:51,323 --> 01:29:53,720
Yep. For sure. Dude. Like, it's just... I

2598
01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:55,135
don't know. It's just funny how

2599
01:29:55,732 --> 01:29:58,122
it's weird. Hunters can be so funny and

2600
01:29:58,122 --> 01:30:00,354
they'll just do these things that... I I

2601
01:30:00,354 --> 01:30:02,586
don't know, and maybe somebody was successful.

2602
01:30:03,238 --> 01:30:06,253
20 years ago or they... Maybe they've even

2603
01:30:06,253 --> 01:30:08,078
seen... And and there are an occasional buck,

2604
01:30:08,237 --> 01:30:10,618
you know, I... Like, there is an occasional

2605
01:30:10,618 --> 01:30:11,094
big buck,

2606
01:30:11,823 --> 01:30:13,337
but usually generally,

2607
01:30:13,894 --> 01:30:15,247
if you look even if it's a big

2608
01:30:15,247 --> 01:30:16,760
buck that was killed up in the high

2609
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:19,467
country usually like some young like buck that

2610
01:30:19,467 --> 01:30:21,954
blew up. And got that big, kinda come

2611
01:30:21,954 --> 01:30:23,630
out of nowhere. You don't really...

2612
01:30:24,268 --> 01:30:26,182
I don't know of any, like,

2613
01:30:27,711 --> 01:30:28,608
next level

2614
01:30:29,140 --> 01:30:30,989
bucks growing old

2615
01:30:31,363 --> 01:30:33,030
living up in the eye country. It's just

2616
01:30:33,030 --> 01:30:34,301
not gonna happen, and that's what I want.

2617
01:30:34,538 --> 01:30:36,420
That's what I wanna look find. Not

2618
01:30:36,859 --> 01:30:38,617
not in anywhere that has any kind of

2619
01:30:38,617 --> 01:30:40,614
hunting pressure. Not in anywhere that you could

2620
01:30:40,614 --> 01:30:42,212
reasonably get it tech. Like, you can...

2621
01:30:43,011 --> 01:30:45,896
If if you have some super artificial environment

2622
01:30:45,896 --> 01:30:47,966
where you've just made such little hunting pressure

2623
01:30:47,966 --> 01:30:49,957
that they can exist as though people didn't,

2624
01:30:50,115 --> 01:30:52,027
you know, exist on this landscape,

2625
01:30:52,519 --> 01:30:54,269
Yeah. I mean, that's that's a thing there,

2626
01:30:54,507 --> 01:30:56,576
but... Yes. You know, not not anywhere you

2627
01:30:56,576 --> 01:30:57,689
can get a tag and hunt every year.

2628
01:30:58,007 --> 01:30:58,405
That's right.

2629
01:30:59,614 --> 01:31:00,011
Well, dude.

2630
01:31:01,047 --> 01:31:02,880
There's been a lot of good stuff in

2631
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:04,791
this Dion before we close out,

2632
01:31:05,428 --> 01:31:08,216
I got... I just... Like, I was wondering,

2633
01:31:08,788 --> 01:31:10,616
we we kind of made a few suggestions.

2634
01:31:10,854 --> 01:31:12,149
But if you could

2635
01:31:12,842 --> 01:31:14,591
look at, like average deer hunters,

2636
01:31:15,385 --> 01:31:17,213
can you... Is there, like, 1 or 2

2637
01:31:17,213 --> 01:31:17,531
things,

2638
01:31:18,024 --> 01:31:20,257
that you think they're doing or wrong that

2639
01:31:20,257 --> 01:31:22,091
you would or like, look at it this

2640
01:31:22,091 --> 01:31:23,606
way. If you could sit down and talk

2641
01:31:23,606 --> 01:31:25,760
with 20 year old d, what advice would

2642
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:27,329
you have for him, Like, just

2643
01:31:27,849 --> 01:31:28,888
after living,

2644
01:31:29,687 --> 01:31:32,324
you know, going through, learning all this stuff.

2645
01:31:32,484 --> 01:31:34,423
Like, is there anything you would say or

2646
01:31:34,722 --> 01:31:36,400
got any advice. You went through a few

2647
01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:36,960
things. Yeah.

2648
01:31:37,932 --> 01:31:39,288
I've, I've got... I think I got a

2649
01:31:39,288 --> 01:31:41,122
pretty good answer for that actually, because it

2650
01:31:41,122 --> 01:31:42,718
it happened, you know, it was it was

2651
01:31:42,718 --> 01:31:44,632
it was a revelation I I had.

2652
01:31:45,430 --> 01:31:45,930
And

2653
01:31:46,386 --> 01:31:46,886
everybody

2654
01:31:47,518 --> 01:31:50,381
when we hunt, we we apply things that

2655
01:31:50,381 --> 01:31:52,845
we've seen and experienced and we look... We

2656
01:31:52,845 --> 01:31:54,753
look at everything we do through this filter

2657
01:31:54,753 --> 01:31:56,423
of our life experiences. Mh.

2658
01:31:57,630 --> 01:31:59,457
And more often than not, I think we're

2659
01:31:59,457 --> 01:31:59,774
wrong.

2660
01:32:00,489 --> 01:32:00,727
Mh.

2661
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:03,507
If you go into it with the mentality

2662
01:32:03,507 --> 01:32:05,890
of you have, like, you you know the

2663
01:32:05,890 --> 01:32:06,287
playbook,

2664
01:32:06,939 --> 01:32:09,816
you you know, deer think on different levels

2665
01:32:09,816 --> 01:32:11,734
than we do about different things than we

2666
01:32:11,734 --> 01:32:14,291
think. I mean, if everybody's going through life

2667
01:32:14,291 --> 01:32:16,219
with all of these different stress and these

2668
01:32:16,219 --> 01:32:18,763
different things that their their primary focus is,

2669
01:32:18,843 --> 01:32:20,831
and and the things that you worry about

2670
01:32:20,831 --> 01:32:23,693
and care about are are totally different lens

2671
01:32:23,693 --> 01:32:26,256
to look through life at, Yeah. And and

2672
01:32:26,256 --> 01:32:27,850
that's probably not the lens that that deere

2673
01:32:27,850 --> 01:32:29,684
is looking through life at. So like, everything

2674
01:32:29,684 --> 01:32:31,837
you do is tainted by by, you know,

2675
01:32:31,996 --> 01:32:33,271
everything else in your life. So...

2676
01:32:34,162 --> 01:32:35,673
For me, when I figured out that I

2677
01:32:35,673 --> 01:32:37,899
needed to be really, really open minded and

2678
01:32:37,899 --> 01:32:39,649
just say that I've never got more than

2679
01:32:39,649 --> 01:32:41,319
a good idea what might be happening.

2680
01:32:43,083 --> 01:32:45,391
I started seeing a lot more opportunity where

2681
01:32:45,470 --> 01:32:48,256
I was overlooking it. And, like figuring out

2682
01:32:48,256 --> 01:32:51,063
those places where you know, hey, this doesn't

2683
01:32:51,063 --> 01:32:53,220
seem like what I think, you, it's right

2684
01:32:53,220 --> 01:32:55,778
above a super busy trail head. Know, no

2685
01:32:55,778 --> 01:32:57,856
nobody kicks that spot as their primary place

2686
01:32:57,856 --> 01:32:58,575
to go glass.

2687
01:32:59,548 --> 01:33:02,032
But be open minded all of these different

2688
01:33:02,167 --> 01:33:04,707
opportunities and stop thinking, you know, like, even

2689
01:33:04,707 --> 01:33:06,216
for myself, I don't I don't ever go

2690
01:33:06,216 --> 01:33:07,645
into it thinking. I know what's gonna happen.

2691
01:33:07,803 --> 01:33:10,375
But I I try and make best best

2692
01:33:10,375 --> 01:33:12,375
assessments and and take a good guess at

2693
01:33:12,375 --> 01:33:14,614
it. And then I'm really open to what

2694
01:33:14,774 --> 01:33:16,074
I see, and

2695
01:33:16,469 --> 01:33:18,543
and I'm not so firm that I won't

2696
01:33:18,543 --> 01:33:20,616
change everything I'm doing if I see something

2697
01:33:20,616 --> 01:33:23,010
that might be better. Dude, I really like

2698
01:33:23,010 --> 01:33:24,147
that, because I think

2699
01:33:24,604 --> 01:33:25,322
there's a lot of...

2700
01:33:26,452 --> 01:33:28,909
Dear hunters that do are there good hunters.

2701
01:33:29,068 --> 01:33:31,446
Like, I know like, really good hunters, but

2702
01:33:31,446 --> 01:33:33,587
the can sometimes get stuck in, like,

2703
01:33:34,157 --> 01:33:36,249
maybe something that used to work or

2704
01:33:36,943 --> 01:33:39,251
it worked 15 years ago like, not up

2705
01:33:39,251 --> 01:33:41,081
to change, and, you know, and I think

2706
01:33:41,081 --> 01:33:42,832
they kinda get stuck in this rut of,

2707
01:33:42,991 --> 01:33:45,085
like, I'm gonna keep doing the same thing

2708
01:33:45,085 --> 01:33:47,885
and never change. III really like that, man.

2709
01:33:48,364 --> 01:33:51,405
Yeah. Just approach everything with a really open

2710
01:33:51,405 --> 01:33:51,725
mind.

2711
01:33:52,380 --> 01:33:54,699
And and don't discount things just because they're

2712
01:33:54,699 --> 01:33:56,140
not they're not your first thought of what

2713
01:33:56,140 --> 01:33:57,100
it should be. Yeah.

2714
01:33:58,220 --> 01:33:59,180
Dude, I like.

2715
01:34:00,153 --> 01:34:02,381
Do Dion, I really dude I love talking

2716
01:34:02,381 --> 01:34:03,813
to you man. You're 1 of my favorite

2717
01:34:03,813 --> 01:34:05,721
guys talk to. I really too. Like, I

2718
01:34:05,721 --> 01:34:07,313
just always look forward to talking to you

2719
01:34:07,313 --> 01:34:09,637
and listening to your take on everything. I

2720
01:34:09,637 --> 01:34:12,450
think everybody I mean, they know you, but

2721
01:34:12,668 --> 01:34:14,582
I think everybody enjoy this 1, so, dude,

2722
01:34:14,822 --> 01:34:16,576
it was pretty awesome. And I'm so happy

2723
01:34:16,576 --> 01:34:18,864
to hear that story and Appreciate it and

2724
01:34:19,304 --> 01:34:20,820
Yeah. I appreciate it. And I I love

2725
01:34:20,820 --> 01:34:22,336
visiting with you too, and, man, I gotta...

2726
01:34:22,735 --> 01:34:23,852
You know, I was telling you the other

2727
01:34:23,852 --> 01:34:24,810
day I gotta give you guys a lot

2728
01:34:24,810 --> 01:34:26,485
of credit. I I think you guys have

2729
01:34:26,485 --> 01:34:28,737
the best podcast going for for guys that

2730
01:34:28,737 --> 01:34:31,374
wanna get better hunting, man. You just... You

2731
01:34:31,374 --> 01:34:32,972
really need to try to understand the game

2732
01:34:32,972 --> 01:34:34,650
better and you guys are doing so much

2733
01:34:34,650 --> 01:34:37,924
to bring people's really good information. Like, outside

2734
01:34:37,924 --> 01:34:39,853
of outside of the the stereotypical,

2735
01:34:40,781 --> 01:34:42,368
what people think they'd probably need to know

2736
01:34:42,368 --> 01:34:43,797
to be a better hunter like, man, which

2737
01:34:43,797 --> 01:34:45,801
you guys are bringing so incredible. I learned

2738
01:34:45,801 --> 01:34:47,552
so much. Listen to you and Robbie talked

2739
01:34:47,552 --> 01:34:49,463
to all the different guests you have. Well

2740
01:34:49,463 --> 01:34:51,692
do that. Yeah. Thanks, man. And it it's

2741
01:34:51,692 --> 01:34:54,354
been. For you know, it's been kinda interesting

2742
01:34:54,489 --> 01:34:54,989
because

2743
01:34:55,682 --> 01:34:56,556
I think a lot of the...

2744
01:34:57,510 --> 01:34:58,703
I don't know. I think a lot of

2745
01:34:58,703 --> 01:35:00,690
people they their eyes kinda glaze over when

2746
01:35:00,690 --> 01:35:02,137
we're talking. And, But do...

2747
01:35:02,854 --> 01:35:04,448
When we're just talking to biologists and they

2748
01:35:04,448 --> 01:35:06,121
kinda think, oh, it's same old thing. How

2749
01:35:06,121 --> 01:35:07,635
much more can you learn? Like, I've heard

2750
01:35:07,635 --> 01:35:08,751
that comment. Like, I've had...

2751
01:35:09,644 --> 01:35:11,242
People kinda say that. And I'm just like,

2752
01:35:11,961 --> 01:35:14,198
man, if you open your mind, you can

2753
01:35:14,198 --> 01:35:16,914
learn so much. Like, I'm constantly just like,

2754
01:35:17,567 --> 01:35:19,636
whoa, this is crazy. My mind is just

2755
01:35:19,636 --> 01:35:20,136
constantly...

2756
01:35:20,591 --> 01:35:22,342
Like, I'm learning new things all the time,

2757
01:35:22,979 --> 01:35:24,570
and I think it's important. I I I'd...

2758
01:35:24,904 --> 01:35:27,159
I think hunters have got to get

2759
01:35:27,618 --> 01:35:29,155
just a little better

2760
01:35:30,730 --> 01:35:32,859
understanding of, like, how everything's working and I

2761
01:35:32,979 --> 01:35:34,490
think it makes some better deer hunters when

2762
01:35:34,490 --> 01:35:36,183
you understand it, and

2763
01:35:36,558 --> 01:35:39,342
make better wildlife management decisions and try to

2764
01:35:39,342 --> 01:35:39,661
understand,

2765
01:35:40,470 --> 01:35:42,140
You know, all the things they're going through.

2766
01:35:42,618 --> 01:35:44,208
And I was the guy that... I mean,

2767
01:35:44,367 --> 01:35:46,276
this is kind of a funny story, but

2768
01:35:46,355 --> 01:35:47,707
I was the guy, the blame fishing game

2769
01:35:47,707 --> 01:35:50,426
for everything, man. 15 years ago. Yeah. If

2770
01:35:50,426 --> 01:35:53,290
you would have told myself or me 15

2771
01:35:53,290 --> 01:35:55,279
years ago, I'd kinda be in the situation

2772
01:35:55,279 --> 01:35:56,233
where I'm at, Like,

2773
01:35:57,044 --> 01:35:59,278
really trying to understand. And and I just

2774
01:35:59,278 --> 01:35:59,756
finally...

2775
01:36:00,234 --> 01:36:02,229
I was so frustrated, and I was so

2776
01:36:02,229 --> 01:36:04,302
upset with just, like, the way things were

2777
01:36:04,302 --> 01:36:05,738
going. And I'm like, dude, I gotta get

2778
01:36:05,738 --> 01:36:07,425
involved. I gotta under and more.

2779
01:36:08,139 --> 01:36:10,123
And then I start trying to understand, like,

2780
01:36:10,282 --> 01:36:12,584
what's all these different things that are going

2781
01:36:12,584 --> 01:36:14,983
on that are affecting Mule deer, and I

2782
01:36:14,983 --> 01:36:17,697
really, like, get my hands dirty and, like,

2783
01:36:17,936 --> 01:36:18,676
show up

2784
01:36:19,453 --> 01:36:22,267
to meeting, show up when they're asking for

2785
01:36:22,406 --> 01:36:22,645
volunteers,

2786
01:36:23,537 --> 01:36:25,611
like my mind has just been blown, and

2787
01:36:25,770 --> 01:36:27,205
I feel so bad for some of the

2788
01:36:27,205 --> 01:36:30,872
stuff that I said and would comment, and

2789
01:36:31,032 --> 01:36:33,115
I mean, just I was just an idiot.

2790
01:36:33,354 --> 01:36:34,784
I really was. Like I was just like,

2791
01:36:35,103 --> 01:36:37,328
yeah. I spend more time in the woods

2792
01:36:37,328 --> 01:36:39,474
than you all of you guys combined. That

2793
01:36:39,474 --> 01:36:42,033
was me, man, and I I might have

2794
01:36:42,033 --> 01:36:43,545
spent more time in the woods, but I

2795
01:36:43,545 --> 01:36:46,251
didn't understand everything the way I should have

2796
01:36:46,251 --> 01:36:47,763
been like, thinking about things.

2797
01:36:48,734 --> 01:36:50,799
I I may have actually said those exact

2798
01:36:50,799 --> 01:36:52,808
words to a biologist at some point.

2799
01:36:53,976 --> 01:36:56,519
But the the thing that's crazy to me,

2800
01:36:57,568 --> 01:36:59,743
Is how much we really don't know

2801
01:37:00,122 --> 01:37:02,676
and how little we can actually change. Like

2802
01:37:02,676 --> 01:37:04,351
it's... And that's that's the thing that's made

2803
01:37:04,351 --> 01:37:06,600
me get like, a lot less angry at

2804
01:37:06,600 --> 01:37:08,673
at anything fishing game does. It's like, man,

2805
01:37:08,992 --> 01:37:11,305
They manage people. They don't manage the game.

2806
01:37:11,465 --> 01:37:13,778
The weather manages the game, the habitat the

2807
01:37:13,778 --> 01:37:14,655
manages the game.

2808
01:37:15,469 --> 01:37:18,662
And and there's just... There's so much that

2809
01:37:18,662 --> 01:37:21,935
we really, really, really don't understand. Mh. That

2810
01:37:21,935 --> 01:37:24,171
how can anybody have a firm opinion on

2811
01:37:24,171 --> 01:37:25,863
any of it when we really don't know.

2812
01:37:26,263 --> 01:37:28,261
And we just... I think it's still worthwhile

2813
01:37:28,261 --> 01:37:30,519
that to, at least pursue more knowledge

2814
01:37:31,057 --> 01:37:32,735
and try and get a better idea how

2815
01:37:32,735 --> 01:37:34,421
we can help these and things and and

2816
01:37:34,421 --> 01:37:36,245
and make it sustainable. Because God, I want

2817
01:37:36,245 --> 01:37:37,672
my kids to have a glory days too.

2818
01:37:37,831 --> 01:37:38,862
Me too I want my kids to be

2819
01:37:38,862 --> 01:37:41,003
able to see a 20 15 me too

2820
01:37:41,003 --> 01:37:42,923
make that's... Dude you don't to see it

2821
01:37:42,923 --> 01:37:44,986
again. Me too, man. Like, and that's the

2822
01:37:44,986 --> 01:37:46,890
thing that I keep thinking in the back

2823
01:37:46,890 --> 01:37:48,716
of my head is, like, it really wasn't

2824
01:37:48,716 --> 01:37:49,510
that long ago.

2825
01:37:50,319 --> 01:37:51,670
It was pretty epic. And it's cool. Like,

2826
01:37:51,828 --> 01:37:53,975
talking to you about it. It just guys

2827
01:37:53,975 --> 01:37:55,804
all over, you know, and, like, how awesome.

2828
01:37:56,122 --> 01:37:58,984
We really had wow that dude 2015.

2829
01:37:59,795 --> 01:38:02,292
It was pretty good. Like, we had pretty

2830
01:38:02,431 --> 01:38:04,509
dang good, D. Like, we were lucky

2831
01:38:05,307 --> 01:38:06,047
And then

2832
01:38:06,586 --> 01:38:08,835
I had, like, a fraction of an idea

2833
01:38:08,835 --> 01:38:11,488
what I was doing. And I had had

2834
01:38:11,786 --> 01:38:13,461
2 bucks over 1 90 that I was

2835
01:38:13,461 --> 01:38:14,657
hunting that year, and that was the year

2836
01:38:14,738 --> 01:38:16,252
I killed my big wide buck. He went

2837
01:38:16,252 --> 01:38:18,819
1 80 threes. 32 inches wide in this

2838
01:38:18,819 --> 01:38:21,689
plug. Man, I... You couldn't swing a dead

2839
01:38:21,689 --> 01:38:23,841
cat without winning a decent 4 phones. Yes.

2840
01:38:24,081 --> 01:38:25,457
Like It just I

2841
01:38:26,167 --> 01:38:27,757
It was... Man, it was so good. And

2842
01:38:27,757 --> 01:38:29,110
it was such a good time to learn,

2843
01:38:29,269 --> 01:38:30,621
man. I I feel like I had such

2844
01:38:30,621 --> 01:38:33,983
an incredible opportunity spending like, a hundred plus

2845
01:38:33,983 --> 01:38:35,501
days a year in the hills.

2846
01:38:36,140 --> 01:38:37,658
And it's just, like, for a guy who

2847
01:38:37,658 --> 01:38:39,495
had had the opportunity.

2848
01:38:40,307 --> 01:38:42,134
To go out and learn, you could learn

2849
01:38:42,134 --> 01:38:44,913
so much faster. Dude. It's right. Like, I...

2850
01:38:45,072 --> 01:38:46,343
That's what I keep thinking is it's like,

2851
01:38:46,502 --> 01:38:48,743
man, I was thinking about that. Like, could

2852
01:38:48,743 --> 01:38:50,578
take all that opportunity I had and all

2853
01:38:50,578 --> 01:38:52,332
the the deer Was able to screw up

2854
01:38:52,332 --> 01:38:54,167
on and learn on and do all these

2855
01:38:54,167 --> 01:38:55,842
things. Like, man, if I was trying to

2856
01:38:55,842 --> 01:38:57,198
do that, Like, now it would be way...

2857
01:38:57,357 --> 01:38:58,886
It would be a lot more of a

2858
01:38:58,886 --> 01:39:00,638
challenge. You know, It really would. They... Just

2859
01:39:00,638 --> 01:39:01,992
because the opportunities out there.

2860
01:39:02,868 --> 01:39:04,699
I'll wonder how many guys that could be

2861
01:39:04,699 --> 01:39:06,904
phenomenal hunters give up because they just don't

2862
01:39:07,024 --> 01:39:09,181
get enough reward for their effort.

2863
01:39:09,820 --> 01:39:11,738
Like, I'm I'm mean now. I mean, I'm

2864
01:39:11,738 --> 01:39:13,676
committed now, But, like, how many guys that

2865
01:39:13,895 --> 01:39:15,428
that If you to put them in that

2866
01:39:15,428 --> 01:39:17,686
timeline, would have had so many great experiences

2867
01:39:17,826 --> 01:39:19,504
and seen and learned so many things and

2868
01:39:19,504 --> 01:39:21,022
it would have been something that stuck with

2869
01:39:21,022 --> 01:39:23,020
them that now are just getting frustrated and

2870
01:39:23,020 --> 01:39:24,631
giving up, and like, we can't afford to

2871
01:39:24,631 --> 01:39:26,781
lose those people. Yes. I think a lot,

2872
01:39:26,941 --> 01:39:28,875
man. I know a lot of people

2873
01:39:29,252 --> 01:39:30,526
in the past few years.

2874
01:39:31,260 --> 01:39:31,739
That's

2875
01:39:32,218 --> 01:39:34,376
just pretty much kinda wrote it off and

2876
01:39:34,376 --> 01:39:36,134
give up and, like, or just lost interest

2877
01:39:36,134 --> 01:39:38,450
or just not... They they've lost interest in

2878
01:39:38,450 --> 01:39:38,850
it. Yeah.

2879
01:39:40,221 --> 01:39:41,497
I mean, I know a lot of guys

2880
01:39:41,497 --> 01:39:43,752
that are, like, dialed in good hunters

2881
01:39:44,369 --> 01:39:46,603
that had they had another 5 years when

2882
01:39:46,603 --> 01:39:48,437
the Hunt was really good. Like, they could

2883
01:39:48,437 --> 01:39:50,205
have been so much better, but they're just...

2884
01:39:50,604 --> 01:39:53,789
The the limited opportunity and limited exposure,

2885
01:39:54,666 --> 01:39:56,100
just not getting to look at as many

2886
01:39:56,100 --> 01:39:58,091
deer and watches as many critters. I think

2887
01:39:58,091 --> 01:40:00,412
it you know, yeah. Some of these guys

2888
01:40:00,412 --> 01:40:02,025
it's just, like, man, you you

2889
01:40:02,399 --> 01:40:04,626
you you judge yourself face off of the

2890
01:40:04,626 --> 01:40:06,533
opportunities you've had, but, like, you're a really

2891
01:40:06,533 --> 01:40:07,908
good hunter and you've just

2892
01:40:08,219 --> 01:40:09,974
you know, I started with a great head

2893
01:40:09,974 --> 01:40:11,989
start. Like, I, you know, it was

2894
01:40:12,367 --> 01:40:13,722
Yeah. Was good to learn when I did,

2895
01:40:13,802 --> 01:40:15,238
but like some of these guys now. It's

2896
01:40:15,238 --> 01:40:17,551
like, man, guys are hard on themselves. They're

2897
01:40:17,551 --> 01:40:20,192
not not necessarily finding or or doing things

2898
01:40:20,192 --> 01:40:21,782
that they'd hope to achieve and it's like,

2899
01:40:21,862 --> 01:40:24,802
man are tough times? Yes. And and it

2900
01:40:24,802 --> 01:40:27,029
makes it hard. We've talked about the attitude

2901
01:40:27,029 --> 01:40:29,677
thing early in... Podcast. But I I think

2902
01:40:29,677 --> 01:40:30,577
it's way easier

2903
01:40:31,595 --> 01:40:33,672
when you've been kicked in the teeth for

2904
01:40:33,672 --> 01:40:35,211
20 years, and this happens

2905
01:40:36,004 --> 01:40:37,916
the guys can kinda lose that

2906
01:40:38,394 --> 01:40:40,146
driver that edge, and they kinda get a

2907
01:40:40,146 --> 01:40:42,935
bad attitude, and I I think the difference

2908
01:40:42,935 --> 01:40:45,896
is is guys that succeed. Just keep their

2909
01:40:45,896 --> 01:40:48,124
head up. They got a positive attitude every

2910
01:40:48,124 --> 01:40:50,511
years of new year kinda thing. And the

2911
01:40:50,511 --> 01:40:52,126
guys that are kinda stuck in that,

2912
01:40:53,154 --> 01:40:55,715
it's pretty tough to break, You know? It's

2913
01:40:55,715 --> 01:40:57,554
it's really tough, and I just feel so

2914
01:40:57,554 --> 01:40:59,875
fortunate that I I got, you know, I...

2915
01:41:00,288 --> 01:41:02,038
I started when it was easier to have

2916
01:41:02,038 --> 01:41:03,652
a win and those wins

2917
01:41:04,186 --> 01:41:06,015
you know, led me to be confident and

2918
01:41:06,015 --> 01:41:08,657
have, you know, good... Experiences and and feel

2919
01:41:08,657 --> 01:41:11,045
like even now when it is harder, you

2920
01:41:11,045 --> 01:41:13,353
know, I've got this this past of of

2921
01:41:13,353 --> 01:41:14,785
figuring out a way. But, like I figured

2922
01:41:14,785 --> 01:41:16,877
out away when it was easier. Yeah. So

2923
01:41:16,949 --> 01:41:18,070
you know, I don't know if it's a

2924
01:41:18,070 --> 01:41:20,710
false confidence or or or if it's truly

2925
01:41:20,710 --> 01:41:22,710
earned, But, yeah, I just... I hope I

2926
01:41:22,710 --> 01:41:23,989
hope we can get back to where things

2927
01:41:23,989 --> 01:41:25,430
are better, and I hope lots of people

2928
01:41:25,430 --> 01:41:27,598
can have have all the great experiences I've

2929
01:41:27,598 --> 01:41:29,113
had. Me too And my wife life should

2930
01:41:29,113 --> 01:41:31,503
be so different without it. Yeah. Meet. Oh,

2931
01:41:31,742 --> 01:41:34,469
dude. Me too. And... I'm convinced we're gonna

2932
01:41:34,469 --> 01:41:35,907
get back there. Like, we're gonna see some

2933
01:41:35,907 --> 01:41:38,464
good times again. III

2934
01:41:38,464 --> 01:41:39,983
have to think that. I just know that

2935
01:41:39,983 --> 01:41:41,980
kinda goes back into the attitude thing Like,

2936
01:41:42,140 --> 01:41:44,069
I'm so excited for this year, man. Like,

2937
01:41:44,149 --> 01:41:46,781
just talking with you. I'm, like, dude, I

2938
01:41:46,781 --> 01:41:48,136
gotta get off the... I'm headed to the

2939
01:41:48,136 --> 01:41:49,653
mountains. You know what I mean? I'm just

2940
01:41:49,653 --> 01:41:51,567
excited. Like, I just... And I am, but

2941
01:41:51,646 --> 01:41:54,051
I'm I'm like out anyway, like, every July

2942
01:41:54,051 --> 01:41:54,790
do this

2943
01:41:55,166 --> 01:41:57,157
right well, we're still in June, but as

2944
01:41:57,396 --> 01:41:59,945
July starts approaching what are we now? 10

2945
01:41:59,945 --> 01:42:00,684
days from

2946
01:42:02,192 --> 01:42:04,505
July. But dude does July starts approaching.

2947
01:42:05,063 --> 01:42:07,854
I start getting more and more excited. Like,

2948
01:42:07,934 --> 01:42:09,529
to dude... There's just like something in the

2949
01:42:09,529 --> 01:42:10,885
air. I don't know what it is.

2950
01:42:11,539 --> 01:42:13,697
I mean, I cannot wait to get out

2951
01:42:13,697 --> 01:42:15,396
there and start seeing, like, ant

2952
01:42:15,775 --> 01:42:17,613
develop. I mean, I've been out quite a

2953
01:42:17,613 --> 01:42:19,371
bit just looking, but it's kinda hard to

2954
01:42:19,371 --> 01:42:20,864
tell this time of year, and I'm just

2955
01:42:21,064 --> 01:42:23,143
Dude, I'm so excited. I love it. You

2956
01:42:23,143 --> 01:42:23,222
have.

2957
01:42:24,021 --> 01:42:26,099
Yep. Same. I feel the same way. Yeah.

2958
01:42:26,578 --> 01:42:28,817
Well, dude, it's always so fun to talk

2959
01:42:28,817 --> 01:42:31,148
to you man. I shared... I really appreciate

2960
01:42:31,148 --> 01:42:31,707
your time, Buddy.

2961
01:42:32,426 --> 01:42:34,501
Yeah. Thanks for having me on. Hopefully, hopefully,

2962
01:42:34,660 --> 01:42:36,496
we don't bore people this being so long.

2963
01:42:36,815 --> 01:42:38,652
I guarantee see They're calling that to dude.

2964
01:42:38,811 --> 01:42:40,582
They're gonna love us. It's gonna be awesome.

2965
01:42:41,221 --> 01:42:42,977
I I had a great time talking regardless.

2966
01:42:43,296 --> 01:42:45,154
So he did. Yeah. Thanks.

2967
01:42:48,166 --> 01:42:50,008
With the help sports been and women and

2968
01:42:50,008 --> 01:42:52,306
concerned citizens we can defeat the hunting bans

2969
01:42:52,306 --> 01:42:54,210
here in Colorado. Go to say the hunt

2970
01:42:54,210 --> 01:42:55,874
colorado dot com. Thanks for listening.