1 00:00:03,069 --> 00:00:05,960 Up of the news this evening is speculation 2 00:00:06,018 --> 00:00:07,395 concerning the real facts 3 00:00:08,011 --> 00:00:10,657 behind the prop have held announcement about a 4 00:00:10,657 --> 00:00:11,157 radioactive 5 00:00:11,614 --> 00:00:12,114 spill 6 00:00:12,651 --> 00:00:14,883 supposed to have a occurred yesterday at the 7 00:00:14,883 --> 00:00:16,000 state nuclear plant. 8 00:00:16,638 --> 00:00:17,355 You will die. 9 00:00:17,849 --> 00:00:19,762 Only to live again in a younger body, 10 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:21,915 then you can tell me if the operation 11 00:00:21,915 --> 00:00:22,894 was a success 12 00:00:24,068 --> 00:00:24,228 now. 13 00:00:25,105 --> 00:00:26,835 But I'm determined to have your brain 14 00:00:27,831 --> 00:00:29,903 You're listening to the really awful movies podcast, 15 00:00:30,062 --> 00:00:32,054 the celebration of genre cinema. 16 00:00:41,453 --> 00:00:43,414 From her downtown toronto a headquarters 2 up 17 00:00:43,534 --> 00:00:45,927 so 4 71 of the really awful movies 18 00:00:45,927 --> 00:00:46,406 podcast, 19 00:00:46,964 --> 00:00:48,798 dirty pop, the boy band scam. 20 00:00:49,835 --> 00:00:51,989 Wow. What a shift? You can almost hear 21 00:00:51,989 --> 00:00:53,026 the tires screeching. 22 00:00:55,106 --> 00:00:58,781 Amazing. Hopefully, listeners will appreciate, I guess this 23 00:00:58,837 --> 00:01:01,615 brief diversion and foray into not only a 24 00:01:01,615 --> 00:01:02,115 different 25 00:01:02,584 --> 00:01:05,298 style of filmmaking documentary style and the the 26 00:01:05,298 --> 00:01:08,034 recent Netflix documentary about boy bands 27 00:01:08,651 --> 00:01:08,971 and 28 00:01:09,609 --> 00:01:12,338 appreciate, I guess the giant gulf, but between 29 00:01:12,338 --> 00:01:14,194 this subject matter and the ones 30 00:01:14,571 --> 00:01:18,239 tackled previously, which was a poverty in, Victorian 31 00:01:18,239 --> 00:01:20,494 and London and the jack the ripper murders 32 00:01:20,552 --> 00:01:21,371 through the lens 33 00:01:21,763 --> 00:01:23,354 of the excellent and 34 00:01:23,991 --> 00:01:27,014 underappreciated Bob Clark film murder by decree starring 35 00:01:27,094 --> 00:01:29,720 Christopher Plum. So here we go that you 36 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:30,538 can't get 37 00:01:30,929 --> 00:01:33,801 any further apart really in in film, and 38 00:01:33,801 --> 00:01:37,493 it's rare that I'll actually dive into documentary 39 00:01:37,631 --> 00:01:39,556 film, I think the last 1 might have 40 00:01:39,556 --> 00:01:41,303 been the 1 about the 41 00:01:42,017 --> 00:01:43,629 infamous shock rock band 42 00:01:44,003 --> 00:01:45,058 gu. So 43 00:01:45,432 --> 00:01:47,840 here we go. I mean, the this 1 44 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:49,219 really popped up 45 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:51,920 literally and figuratively because it was just... I 46 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,159 mean, it's fed to you through whatever kind 47 00:01:54,159 --> 00:01:57,846 of a new programming algorithm Netflix has, and 48 00:01:57,846 --> 00:01:59,679 it was actually a little bit of an 49 00:01:59,679 --> 00:02:02,789 accident that I hit the start button and 50 00:02:02,789 --> 00:02:05,615 the play button because I'd had been actually 51 00:02:05,991 --> 00:02:07,208 trying to seek out 52 00:02:07,584 --> 00:02:09,895 various horror films and a truth be told 53 00:02:09,895 --> 00:02:12,523 full disclosure of had a bit of an 54 00:02:12,523 --> 00:02:13,023 issue 55 00:02:13,653 --> 00:02:15,877 trying to nail down something to watch and 56 00:02:16,274 --> 00:02:19,474 sort of briefly, obviously fell out of love 57 00:02:19,530 --> 00:02:21,516 with the horror genre, and that, of course, 58 00:02:21,848 --> 00:02:24,625 was a a period that only lasted 2 59 00:02:24,625 --> 00:02:26,530 weeks, but to... I think or maybe 2 60 00:02:26,530 --> 00:02:28,116 to 3 weeks, so it's still... That's almost 61 00:02:28,116 --> 00:02:30,932 an eternity when you watch as much horror 62 00:02:31,146 --> 00:02:33,368 as I do. So I thought, okay. It 63 00:02:33,368 --> 00:02:35,908 would take a little turn here, and boy 64 00:02:35,908 --> 00:02:37,813 was like glad I did. And suffice it 65 00:02:37,813 --> 00:02:40,138 to say, I think it's because she comes 66 00:02:40,138 --> 00:02:42,535 as no surprise that, you know, I'm not 67 00:02:42,535 --> 00:02:43,035 exactly 68 00:02:43,574 --> 00:02:45,652 in tune with this kind of music, although, 69 00:02:45,971 --> 00:02:49,257 I appreciate the song writing of something like, 70 00:02:49,416 --> 00:02:51,247 I want it that way, and in the 71 00:02:51,247 --> 00:02:53,818 craftsmanship and the undo, and 72 00:02:54,353 --> 00:02:56,127 the talent that goes into 73 00:02:56,438 --> 00:02:59,142 both performing in but also creating 1 of 74 00:02:59,142 --> 00:03:01,925 these very manufactured groups. And this is By 75 00:03:01,925 --> 00:03:04,072 no means at modern invention. Right? Even though 76 00:03:04,231 --> 00:03:06,083 I'm in the latest incarnation was 77 00:03:06,394 --> 00:03:07,832 1 direction, and obviously, 78 00:03:08,552 --> 00:03:11,348 the... They're... Whenever these super groups are formed. 79 00:03:11,508 --> 00:03:13,425 There's always the best looking 1 who forge 80 00:03:13,425 --> 00:03:15,755 their own path. As in a destiny child 81 00:03:15,755 --> 00:03:17,589 and whatnot. But this kind of thing has 82 00:03:17,589 --> 00:03:18,806 been happening since 83 00:03:19,582 --> 00:03:22,076 Pop music, I memorial, and, 84 00:03:22,453 --> 00:03:23,705 even as 85 00:03:24,859 --> 00:03:26,848 the the quality of the the music would 86 00:03:26,848 --> 00:03:28,918 would have been quite sublime for Moto town. 87 00:03:29,236 --> 00:03:30,987 This was still a part and parcel of 88 00:03:30,987 --> 00:03:33,395 how groups were created and you had to 89 00:03:33,395 --> 00:03:36,508 select who, according to who would have a, 90 00:03:36,907 --> 00:03:39,062 kind of appeal to the masses, and it's 91 00:03:39,062 --> 00:03:40,180 been going on forever, 92 00:03:40,513 --> 00:03:41,490 and what is 93 00:03:41,864 --> 00:03:44,111 essentially a very, very s business 94 00:03:44,803 --> 00:03:47,606 as we've known for years with how Blues 95 00:03:47,662 --> 00:03:49,886 musicians and Tim Pan alley, song writers were 96 00:03:50,538 --> 00:03:52,686 ripped off or ripping 1 another off in 97 00:03:52,686 --> 00:03:55,152 the fifties and sixties and the forties. It's 98 00:03:55,152 --> 00:03:55,811 it's been 99 00:03:56,186 --> 00:03:58,891 an industry that's been rife with problems. Most 100 00:03:58,891 --> 00:04:02,240 recent obviously, the Did situation. And and on 101 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:06,049 a only somewhat less s note, those 03:60 102 00:04:06,049 --> 00:04:09,638 deals. The infamous, I guess, total ownership deals 103 00:04:09,638 --> 00:04:13,077 that desperate musicians sign with big record companies 104 00:04:13,212 --> 00:04:14,189 that basically 105 00:04:15,198 --> 00:04:16,334 preclude them from 106 00:04:16,723 --> 00:04:19,509 deriving any sort of income that the company 107 00:04:19,509 --> 00:04:21,339 doesn't take a major cut of. Even if 108 00:04:21,339 --> 00:04:23,887 it's not related to the music business at 109 00:04:23,887 --> 00:04:25,319 all. Like, so you could say right your 110 00:04:25,319 --> 00:04:25,819 auto, 111 00:04:26,449 --> 00:04:28,209 and Bm g or 1 of these big 112 00:04:28,209 --> 00:04:30,850 conglomerate will will take take take. And then 113 00:04:30,850 --> 00:04:32,389 there's essentially nothing 114 00:04:32,850 --> 00:04:35,184 left of your own self, Although otherwise, suppose 115 00:04:35,184 --> 00:04:36,381 you could write under a suit in them, 116 00:04:36,461 --> 00:04:38,856 but good luck with that if you... But, 117 00:04:39,016 --> 00:04:41,730 you know, any any kind of merchandising, any 118 00:04:41,730 --> 00:04:43,566 kind of tour revenue, they just get a 119 00:04:43,566 --> 00:04:43,965 a piece, 120 00:04:44,699 --> 00:04:46,372 And it's something I got a a very, 121 00:04:46,532 --> 00:04:47,032 very 122 00:04:47,728 --> 00:04:48,228 brief 123 00:04:48,684 --> 00:04:51,554 sense of through the book business because you're 124 00:04:51,554 --> 00:04:53,723 given in advance and you're expected to, 125 00:04:54,443 --> 00:04:56,361 you know, earn it back at which point, 126 00:04:56,521 --> 00:04:58,838 after which point you get royalties and not 127 00:04:58,838 --> 00:05:00,597 before that. So it is kind of interesting 128 00:05:00,597 --> 00:05:02,649 although on a larger scale in music when 129 00:05:02,769 --> 00:05:04,525 say, a band will be given 50 k. 130 00:05:04,924 --> 00:05:06,839 Well, maybe not so much these days to 131 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:08,834 record an album. And then for all we 132 00:05:08,834 --> 00:05:09,334 know 133 00:05:09,712 --> 00:05:10,270 the the, 134 00:05:10,924 --> 00:05:13,159 music could be released into the Ether never 135 00:05:13,159 --> 00:05:15,633 to touch the the years of man ever, 136 00:05:15,873 --> 00:05:18,188 and you couldn't... Will not be able to 137 00:05:18,188 --> 00:05:22,027 recoup these until you, manage to maybe e 138 00:05:22,027 --> 00:05:23,004 out to touring, 139 00:05:23,857 --> 00:05:26,085 revenue generator or what have you. So it's 140 00:05:26,085 --> 00:05:28,393 it's quite common even for big successful bands, 141 00:05:29,524 --> 00:05:33,125 from, you know, sixties until today to be 142 00:05:33,125 --> 00:05:35,925 gifted a huge budget for a, record company, 143 00:05:36,404 --> 00:05:38,667 deal know, to record some sort of album 144 00:05:38,801 --> 00:05:41,362 and then have the sophomore or subsequent efforts 145 00:05:41,417 --> 00:05:43,557 completely tank and be in hawk to the 146 00:05:43,557 --> 00:05:46,119 business. So, you I mean, squeezing us abound 147 00:05:46,119 --> 00:05:48,273 and and sure enough. I mean, the kind 148 00:05:48,273 --> 00:05:49,092 of skull 149 00:05:49,629 --> 00:05:50,745 and and 150 00:05:51,543 --> 00:05:53,696 financial mel that takes place at the heart 151 00:05:53,696 --> 00:05:54,310 of this 152 00:05:54,667 --> 00:05:57,849 documentary is very fascinating. So Lou Pearl is 153 00:05:57,849 --> 00:05:59,702 a Queen's New Yorker who 154 00:06:00,395 --> 00:06:02,801 grew up and in all places, 155 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,994 you know, in in some d apartment building 156 00:06:05,994 --> 00:06:08,149 with his family sleeping on the sofa and, 157 00:06:08,389 --> 00:06:10,957 really, cheek by job living in very modest 158 00:06:10,957 --> 00:06:11,457 circumstance. 159 00:06:11,835 --> 00:06:12,313 And then, 160 00:06:13,111 --> 00:06:15,365 finally, finding his way into some 161 00:06:15,743 --> 00:06:18,215 b business of all things. Now which kind 162 00:06:18,215 --> 00:06:19,811 of caught my attention as I'm in the 163 00:06:19,811 --> 00:06:21,660 marketing space as a journalist, and I thought. 164 00:06:22,139 --> 00:06:24,133 It it's amazing. Like, now when you see... 165 00:06:24,691 --> 00:06:27,004 It's called them in, marketing par out of 166 00:06:27,004 --> 00:06:29,636 home advertising. So you'll see a building that's 167 00:06:29,636 --> 00:06:30,136 been, 168 00:06:30,689 --> 00:06:31,509 that has technology 169 00:06:32,290 --> 00:06:34,689 to make it look like there's maybe ocean 170 00:06:34,689 --> 00:06:34,930 waves, 171 00:06:35,650 --> 00:06:37,250 you know, lapping up against the side of 172 00:06:37,250 --> 00:06:39,499 the building because you have this incredible, a 173 00:06:39,499 --> 00:06:41,673 very immersive 3 d technology. 174 00:06:42,529 --> 00:06:44,522 But it's easy to forget, like, the humble 175 00:06:44,522 --> 00:06:46,276 out of home advertising for the most part 176 00:06:46,276 --> 00:06:48,281 is let Let's say, just some poster and 177 00:06:48,281 --> 00:06:50,509 a bus shelter, or going way back, you 178 00:06:50,509 --> 00:06:52,838 can even see different trends like the 1 179 00:06:52,975 --> 00:06:55,361 mister Per was involved in, which was b. 180 00:06:56,011 --> 00:06:58,863 Most people associate b with the Goodyear b, 181 00:06:59,022 --> 00:07:01,716 which hover over football stadiums. But if for 182 00:07:01,716 --> 00:07:04,354 a time, it was... The means of advertising 183 00:07:04,354 --> 00:07:06,667 and as this film showcases, and this is 184 00:07:06,667 --> 00:07:08,022 all about the Mu, 185 00:07:08,899 --> 00:07:11,665 Mcdonald's and George jeans, everyone was trying to 186 00:07:11,863 --> 00:07:14,638 slap their logo on these flying machines. It 187 00:07:14,638 --> 00:07:17,414 almost conjure up the the Hindenburg and the 188 00:07:17,414 --> 00:07:19,968 fad from from you know, hundred years prior. 189 00:07:20,286 --> 00:07:22,696 It's really wild. How these things are cyclical 190 00:07:22,912 --> 00:07:25,697 and a lot of stock was put in 191 00:07:25,697 --> 00:07:27,860 b as a way to get your message 192 00:07:27,860 --> 00:07:30,587 across. It's almost like sky or some other 193 00:07:30,644 --> 00:07:33,349 absurd nonsense onset. So it's really strange and 194 00:07:33,349 --> 00:07:34,120 bizarre how 195 00:07:34,716 --> 00:07:38,057 Per got his start, essentially, for some hook 196 00:07:38,057 --> 00:07:40,761 by crook, Yeah, no pun intended, getting his 197 00:07:40,761 --> 00:07:42,613 hands on on a airplane hanger 198 00:07:42,924 --> 00:07:45,501 and leasing and or selling various 199 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:47,718 aircraft. And then that's how he made his 200 00:07:47,718 --> 00:07:49,816 bones before moving to Florida 201 00:07:50,766 --> 00:07:52,914 and figuring all this shit out as this 202 00:07:52,914 --> 00:07:53,414 trans. 203 00:07:54,266 --> 00:07:57,289 This ne entity that had various tentacles in 204 00:07:57,289 --> 00:08:00,906 different businesses of all stripes, like entertainment business 205 00:08:01,282 --> 00:08:01,759 flying... 206 00:08:02,157 --> 00:08:03,829 All, all sorts of things that this guy 207 00:08:03,829 --> 00:08:06,589 was involved in investment vehicles as well. That 208 00:08:06,709 --> 00:08:08,782 we're supposedly under written by Lloyd of London, 209 00:08:08,941 --> 00:08:09,898 and we'll we'll get to that. 210 00:08:10,695 --> 00:08:14,920 This guy's hobby was basically putting together banned. 211 00:08:15,333 --> 00:08:17,797 Much like Simon Cowell did with 1 direction. 212 00:08:18,274 --> 00:08:20,658 So it cast your minds back to the 213 00:08:20,658 --> 00:08:23,280 nineties and the ubi and the popularity of 214 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,525 acts like, it's new kids on the block 215 00:08:25,525 --> 00:08:27,519 and backs street boys and in sync and 216 00:08:27,759 --> 00:08:30,391 backs streets back. Alright. Right? And, a lot 217 00:08:30,391 --> 00:08:31,210 of the principles 218 00:08:32,066 --> 00:08:33,342 shed a little light on what it was 219 00:08:33,342 --> 00:08:36,235 like to to work with Per. And, obviously, 220 00:08:36,315 --> 00:08:37,934 it's a very mixed blessing 221 00:08:38,794 --> 00:08:40,714 because not... He... While he did put them 222 00:08:40,714 --> 00:08:42,875 on the map, he also a thief from 223 00:08:42,875 --> 00:08:44,798 them, like, considerably by the sounds of it. 224 00:08:45,274 --> 00:08:46,941 At the at the very least, if not 225 00:08:46,941 --> 00:08:49,401 wholly from them, then certainly from some of 226 00:08:49,401 --> 00:08:51,964 the investors the who ended up shirtless 227 00:08:52,274 --> 00:08:55,154 when they found out that his assets were 228 00:08:55,394 --> 00:08:58,434 really nothing, but AAA giant Po scheme effectively 229 00:08:58,434 --> 00:09:01,397 as he was... Using German banking money to, 230 00:09:01,636 --> 00:09:03,783 I guess, foster connections with Bm g over 231 00:09:03,783 --> 00:09:05,852 there, Sony Bi over in Germany, 232 00:09:06,344 --> 00:09:08,257 And of all things. I mean, there's just 233 00:09:08,257 --> 00:09:10,010 so many eye openers about this. So I 234 00:09:10,010 --> 00:09:11,365 mean the b thing was kind of a 235 00:09:11,365 --> 00:09:13,938 crazy connection because I did not foresee 236 00:09:14,488 --> 00:09:17,194 this guy's background being and pe being in 237 00:09:17,194 --> 00:09:20,457 an a completely unrelated industry. Usually, it's guys 238 00:09:20,457 --> 00:09:23,720 who own maybe a studio or radio or 239 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:25,433 have some sort of talent management 240 00:09:25,812 --> 00:09:29,808 background that help foster and and and generate 241 00:09:29,808 --> 00:09:31,726 these kinds of musical movements, whether it's gru 242 00:09:31,726 --> 00:09:34,535 or anything else really and is it's shocking 243 00:09:34,535 --> 00:09:36,050 to me that he was not only involved 244 00:09:36,050 --> 00:09:37,725 in b, but also it was involved with 245 00:09:37,725 --> 00:09:40,037 an actual. I mean, an actual nazi, not 246 00:09:40,037 --> 00:09:42,110 just the silver that's thrown around to people. 247 00:09:42,523 --> 00:09:44,433 Who would disagree with other people, but an 248 00:09:44,433 --> 00:09:46,741 actual lu off a pilot who became a 249 00:09:46,741 --> 00:09:49,787 business partner with Pearl in a very unlikely 250 00:09:50,500 --> 00:09:52,019 team up with a a Jewish guy from 251 00:09:52,100 --> 00:09:53,220 New York with, 252 00:09:53,779 --> 00:09:56,419 a former Lu off pilot for the Nazis. 253 00:09:56,660 --> 00:09:58,039 I just absolutely 254 00:09:58,433 --> 00:10:01,936 shocking and and bizarre documentary and in many 255 00:10:01,936 --> 00:10:02,834 respects. And 256 00:10:03,210 --> 00:10:05,302 amazing how P was effectively 257 00:10:06,569 --> 00:10:08,348 putting up the funds to both 258 00:10:08,727 --> 00:10:11,684 instruct these groups in in dancing and singing, 259 00:10:11,844 --> 00:10:14,162 and he really did as he well, no 260 00:10:14,162 --> 00:10:15,920 doubt pointed out on several occasions. 261 00:10:16,574 --> 00:10:16,894 He, 262 00:10:17,693 --> 00:10:19,530 as a true capitalist was the guy who 263 00:10:19,530 --> 00:10:21,448 took on all the risk and essentially a, 264 00:10:21,768 --> 00:10:24,896 a amassed and accumulated, all these teenagers, from 265 00:10:24,896 --> 00:10:27,841 essentially local mall talent shows and various, you 266 00:10:27,841 --> 00:10:29,693 know, entities such as, 267 00:10:30,228 --> 00:10:32,072 you know, the Mickey Mouse clubs in the 268 00:10:32,072 --> 00:10:34,057 case of, someone like a Britney spears or 269 00:10:34,057 --> 00:10:35,009 a Justin Timberlake lake, 270 00:10:36,755 --> 00:10:39,350 Britney Spears how who had AAA brief in 271 00:10:40,264 --> 00:10:41,775 association with Pearl men in a girl group, 272 00:10:41,854 --> 00:10:43,047 and she, of course, being the, you know, 273 00:10:43,127 --> 00:10:45,353 the the prettiest 1. Let's face it, moved 274 00:10:45,353 --> 00:10:46,944 on to... Well, you know, the rest is 275 00:10:46,944 --> 00:10:48,693 history and the same with Justin Timberlake lake. 276 00:10:49,663 --> 00:10:51,334 To a degree as well. And and you 277 00:10:51,334 --> 00:10:53,960 see the the x members of even lesser 278 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:57,578 known acts like a natural talking about how 279 00:10:57,635 --> 00:11:00,261 just the the amount of touring they had 280 00:11:00,261 --> 00:11:03,047 to endure and meanwhile, like, only really getting 281 00:11:03,047 --> 00:11:05,355 pitt in terms of a payday day, Chris 282 00:11:05,514 --> 00:11:06,071 Kirk patrick. 283 00:11:06,643 --> 00:11:07,143 Infamous 284 00:11:07,597 --> 00:11:09,188 disc by M and M, you know, you're 285 00:11:09,188 --> 00:11:10,700 gonna get your ass kicked worse than that 286 00:11:10,700 --> 00:11:13,029 little limp biz bastard. Right? He 287 00:11:13,738 --> 00:11:16,283 we talked about having getting a a check 288 00:11:16,283 --> 00:11:18,613 for 10 grand, and this was after 289 00:11:18,988 --> 00:11:21,931 endless touring and touring all over Germany, 290 00:11:22,344 --> 00:11:24,095 And as they sit in spinal tap the 291 00:11:24,095 --> 00:11:26,903 world and elsewhere and and really being a 292 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,507 key part of in sync, which was blowing 293 00:11:29,507 --> 00:11:31,020 up at the time and yet getting this 294 00:11:31,020 --> 00:11:33,921 sort of a poultry some at the outset 295 00:11:34,137 --> 00:11:34,853 of of this, 296 00:11:35,727 --> 00:11:37,738 and and wondering quite rightly 297 00:11:38,352 --> 00:11:39,942 where all the money went, 298 00:11:40,752 --> 00:11:43,792 and this is something that this 3 part 299 00:11:44,006 --> 00:11:44,506 documentary 300 00:11:44,958 --> 00:11:47,577 explores later as the the various again business, 301 00:11:49,187 --> 00:11:50,485 diversion that the trans 302 00:11:50,864 --> 00:11:52,620 was involved in and in it... It's amazing 303 00:11:52,620 --> 00:11:55,175 the the reach of something like a trans 304 00:11:55,175 --> 00:11:55,994 con continental. 305 00:11:56,372 --> 00:11:59,278 As I knew it as a def 306 00:11:59,652 --> 00:12:02,751 airline. But meanwhile, I I don't think it 307 00:12:02,751 --> 00:12:03,569 really he 308 00:12:04,341 --> 00:12:07,059 owned any planes outright. He was just I 309 00:12:07,059 --> 00:12:08,897 don't know how he managed to build this 310 00:12:08,897 --> 00:12:12,013 brand to the extent that it's is known 311 00:12:12,013 --> 00:12:12,173 and, 312 00:12:12,972 --> 00:12:14,650 appreciated in the same breath as something like 313 00:12:14,650 --> 00:12:16,411 the... Now to fund Eastern airlines as well, 314 00:12:16,570 --> 00:12:18,792 but he had apparently a roster of 50 315 00:12:18,792 --> 00:12:19,109 planes. 316 00:12:19,744 --> 00:12:21,410 Don't know how he came by them, lease 317 00:12:21,410 --> 00:12:24,213 them to various musicians, including Paul Mccartney for 318 00:12:24,213 --> 00:12:26,526 various tours, found out that it was easier 319 00:12:26,526 --> 00:12:29,477 to make money, maybe creating your own acts, 320 00:12:29,636 --> 00:12:31,811 and that's how he was able to, 321 00:12:32,605 --> 00:12:34,764 you know, Forged career for himself. That was 322 00:12:34,764 --> 00:12:36,924 very, very unlikely. And my god, this guy 323 00:12:36,924 --> 00:12:38,784 had quite a ro. He's 324 00:12:39,259 --> 00:12:42,000 He had the ear of po and sheriff 325 00:12:42,220 --> 00:12:45,339 and celebrities and everyone wanted a piece of 326 00:12:45,339 --> 00:12:46,779 this guy. He was a mover and a 327 00:12:46,779 --> 00:12:49,208 shaker. And again, had his tentacles 328 00:12:49,584 --> 00:12:51,119 everywhere, and there was 329 00:12:52,052 --> 00:12:54,202 association with George Bush, The... 1 of the 330 00:12:54,202 --> 00:12:56,129 more shocking things. If you can actually top 331 00:12:56,129 --> 00:12:58,950 and actual Nazi as a business partner was 332 00:12:59,250 --> 00:13:01,090 the fact that post 09:11, 333 00:13:01,490 --> 00:13:03,865 Per was able to charter a plane 334 00:13:04,383 --> 00:13:06,480 which was shocking because planes 335 00:13:07,017 --> 00:13:07,517 universally 336 00:13:08,294 --> 00:13:11,407 globally were grounded and yet of all think 337 00:13:11,407 --> 00:13:13,915 he managed to get an f 16 338 00:13:14,924 --> 00:13:17,306 escort to get him and 1 of his 339 00:13:17,306 --> 00:13:19,133 charges. I forget whether it with the backs 340 00:13:19,133 --> 00:13:21,992 boards or whoever, from New York City, 341 00:13:22,643 --> 00:13:23,143 to 342 00:13:23,918 --> 00:13:26,808 Orlando their home base. And it's just unbelievable 343 00:13:27,025 --> 00:13:30,211 privilege and and proximity to power, which is... 344 00:13:30,450 --> 00:13:32,479 I just can't even imagine the 345 00:13:32,856 --> 00:13:34,153 Us Air Force 346 00:13:34,769 --> 00:13:35,269 prioritizing, 347 00:13:35,885 --> 00:13:38,437 a stupid mission like this after the world 348 00:13:38,437 --> 00:13:40,565 was shocked into just on 349 00:13:41,082 --> 00:13:42,458 unbelievable. I mean, the 350 00:13:43,073 --> 00:13:44,108 breath less, word less, 351 00:13:44,824 --> 00:13:46,815 horror by the the the the taking out 352 00:13:46,815 --> 00:13:48,487 of the twin towers on that fateful day, 353 00:13:48,646 --> 00:13:51,153 and it and it's just... And it really 354 00:13:51,211 --> 00:13:53,760 bog the mind and beg belief that they 355 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:55,354 were able to get a jet and move, 356 00:13:55,434 --> 00:13:57,983 like, a shitty pop group out and about 357 00:13:57,983 --> 00:13:58,882 and and 358 00:13:59,193 --> 00:14:01,341 there there's there's a lot of interesting trick 359 00:14:01,341 --> 00:14:02,454 here with the, 360 00:14:03,091 --> 00:14:04,682 friends of Per who grew up with him 361 00:14:04,682 --> 00:14:05,929 in Queens, and 362 00:14:06,369 --> 00:14:09,246 and to his credit, Per, I mean, as 363 00:14:09,246 --> 00:14:10,524 much credit as you can give to an 364 00:14:10,524 --> 00:14:12,602 em and a chi and and a scam 365 00:14:12,602 --> 00:14:14,860 artist, and a and just to complete 366 00:14:16,054 --> 00:14:19,175 thief, but he did take along his boys 367 00:14:19,175 --> 00:14:20,774 for the ride. So in the case there 368 00:14:20,774 --> 00:14:23,014 there's a frankie vas, and I believe a 369 00:14:23,095 --> 00:14:24,295 Mike Pi chen, 370 00:14:24,868 --> 00:14:26,379 couple of New Yorkers that he just said, 371 00:14:26,538 --> 00:14:28,447 hey. Listen. I've got this thing going in 372 00:14:28,685 --> 00:14:30,276 Florida come with me and I'll hook you 373 00:14:30,276 --> 00:14:32,502 up. So it that was pretty cool that 374 00:14:32,502 --> 00:14:34,331 he brings it... He brought his boys along 375 00:14:34,331 --> 00:14:34,625 to 376 00:14:35,220 --> 00:14:38,160 come along for the ride and essentially just 377 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,566 made something out of nothing to become this 378 00:14:40,940 --> 00:14:41,440 huge 379 00:14:42,052 --> 00:14:44,460 internationally recognized of mo. And another thing is 380 00:14:44,460 --> 00:14:47,580 very interesting speaking of Germany was the extent 381 00:14:47,580 --> 00:14:50,139 to which they'd blown up over there before 382 00:14:50,139 --> 00:14:53,989 having deep, deepening or strengthening any pop music 383 00:14:53,989 --> 00:14:55,743 roots over here. So a bit, like, David 384 00:14:55,902 --> 00:14:59,410 Has or something. Like they had the connection 385 00:14:59,410 --> 00:15:01,579 with the German investors and the Bm gs 386 00:15:01,579 --> 00:15:03,257 of the world over there in the Be 387 00:15:03,257 --> 00:15:05,575 men's and and whoever. So they... Were actually 388 00:15:05,575 --> 00:15:07,673 trying on multiple occasions to, 389 00:15:08,292 --> 00:15:10,664 jump start the careers over there and get 390 00:15:10,864 --> 00:15:13,580 I guess, touring acts like in sync and 391 00:15:14,219 --> 00:15:15,018 backs street boys 392 00:15:15,977 --> 00:15:18,469 concert ready on these shores, So they were 393 00:15:18,469 --> 00:15:22,005 really, I guess, seasoned veterans of multiple, 394 00:15:22,464 --> 00:15:25,740 you know, shopping mall and, high school events 395 00:15:25,740 --> 00:15:27,906 that they had. Throughout Germany trying to build 396 00:15:27,906 --> 00:15:29,020 awareness and build, 397 00:15:29,577 --> 00:15:32,203 mass appeal over there before moving over to 398 00:15:32,521 --> 00:15:34,670 Mtv and and finally developing, some, 399 00:15:35,879 --> 00:15:37,879 a attraction over over in the in the 400 00:15:37,879 --> 00:15:40,940 key North American market, and it really was 401 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:41,559 just 402 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:43,580 quite a time as as 403 00:15:43,893 --> 00:15:45,802 Patrick pointed out, I think in the documentary, 404 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,700 they were essentially sandwiched between nineties wrap and 405 00:15:49,700 --> 00:15:51,706 and grunt. Kirk and they managed to forge 406 00:15:51,706 --> 00:15:54,418 their own path despite these 2 movements being 407 00:15:54,418 --> 00:15:54,577 so, 408 00:15:55,853 --> 00:15:58,964 iconic and so an linked to nineties culture, 409 00:15:59,123 --> 00:16:00,812 and and they were able to, for a 410 00:16:00,812 --> 00:16:01,529 time anyway, 411 00:16:03,122 --> 00:16:04,418 spawn, tons of 412 00:16:05,113 --> 00:16:05,613 I 413 00:16:05,989 --> 00:16:06,546 and and 414 00:16:07,183 --> 00:16:10,064 tons of other attempted copycat cats. I think 415 00:16:10,064 --> 00:16:11,655 there was even a Canadian 1. I think 416 00:16:11,655 --> 00:16:14,041 they were called B44I 417 00:16:14,041 --> 00:16:15,871 think they were... No, I wanna say there 418 00:16:15,871 --> 00:16:18,205 were twins and maybe a another brother or 419 00:16:18,205 --> 00:16:20,524 they might have been triplets. These goofy guys 420 00:16:20,524 --> 00:16:20,764 with 421 00:16:22,125 --> 00:16:24,659 muscles upon muscles and frosted hair and 422 00:16:25,418 --> 00:16:28,295 another just ridiculous. And and and, obviously, like, 423 00:16:28,455 --> 00:16:30,692 most musical movements, this 1 had to come 424 00:16:30,692 --> 00:16:32,424 to an abrupt end as, 425 00:16:32,940 --> 00:16:35,716 finally, people started to really appreciate the... Just 426 00:16:35,716 --> 00:16:37,541 the silliness. But it was not for lack 427 00:16:37,541 --> 00:16:39,310 of trying in the case of Per 428 00:16:39,682 --> 00:16:39,920 who, 429 00:16:41,049 --> 00:16:42,487 I think it was it was something called 430 00:16:42,567 --> 00:16:44,804 Big in America. So a reality show that 431 00:16:44,804 --> 00:16:47,121 they built up in Germany where they were 432 00:16:47,121 --> 00:16:49,370 trying to pick. The next boy band, much 433 00:16:49,370 --> 00:16:51,306 like, I guess, Simon Cowell copied 434 00:16:51,683 --> 00:16:51,922 for 435 00:16:52,561 --> 00:16:54,315 for the... I think it was the show 436 00:16:54,315 --> 00:16:57,266 that ultimately put 1 direction together and and 437 00:16:57,266 --> 00:16:57,879 whatnot. So, 438 00:16:58,399 --> 00:16:59,539 all the Sv jolly 439 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,480 behind the scenes stuff was really wild and 440 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,900 and the get getting back to Per 441 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:07,294 the sort of lack of moral character of 442 00:17:07,294 --> 00:17:09,534 this guy was an expert, forge, 443 00:17:09,855 --> 00:17:13,134 very, very def hand at copying signatures and 444 00:17:13,134 --> 00:17:15,054 forging all sorts of documents whether it was 445 00:17:15,054 --> 00:17:18,423 this Phony Bo baloney, German investment bank or 446 00:17:18,423 --> 00:17:21,297 or contracts or other sign of various documents. 447 00:17:21,537 --> 00:17:23,452 And it was amazing the extent you just 448 00:17:23,452 --> 00:17:26,044 built up the shell game and got people 449 00:17:26,343 --> 00:17:28,261 on board with him and again, having his 450 00:17:28,261 --> 00:17:29,720 fingers in so many pies 451 00:17:30,339 --> 00:17:33,296 with all these different business ventures ranging from 452 00:17:33,296 --> 00:17:34,515 the likes of a yogurt 453 00:17:34,827 --> 00:17:37,764 Qs, you know, quick service restaurant, Qs r 454 00:17:37,764 --> 00:17:40,701 to the steak house trying to compete with 455 00:17:40,701 --> 00:17:43,044 the likes of the C, just so many 456 00:17:43,265 --> 00:17:45,105 operations, and I know to the extent that 457 00:17:45,105 --> 00:17:46,325 they... These really, 458 00:17:46,865 --> 00:17:49,265 gained any any appeal. When he basically used 459 00:17:49,265 --> 00:17:52,574 his musical act as a Conduit to gain 460 00:17:52,632 --> 00:17:53,132 investor 461 00:17:53,669 --> 00:17:55,742 interest. So he'd go to these parties in 462 00:17:55,902 --> 00:17:58,214 Hop knob with the the big shots in 463 00:17:58,453 --> 00:18:00,783 Manhattan and Long Island and South Beach and 464 00:18:00,783 --> 00:18:03,180 bring along his act, and they would sing 465 00:18:03,180 --> 00:18:05,578 for his supper effectively as he scammed them 466 00:18:05,578 --> 00:18:07,496 out of millions of dollars. It turns out. 467 00:18:07,975 --> 00:18:10,224 And which just amazing that he was really 468 00:18:10,224 --> 00:18:12,377 a vehicle to line his own pockets. Although 469 00:18:12,377 --> 00:18:13,653 you do get the sense that he really 470 00:18:13,653 --> 00:18:16,204 did have a love for for music, and 471 00:18:16,204 --> 00:18:17,694 it's funny to hear when he was 472 00:18:18,293 --> 00:18:20,685 imprisoned that he would have wrappers coming up 473 00:18:20,685 --> 00:18:22,679 to him in in the Florida Pen where 474 00:18:22,679 --> 00:18:26,109 he was housed and dropping off d facto 475 00:18:26,109 --> 00:18:27,646 resumes and and and 476 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:29,640 dropping bars for this guy. 477 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:31,480 Hopefully not 478 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,600 bars on his head, but, although he did, 479 00:18:34,759 --> 00:18:35,000 I guess, 480 00:18:36,133 --> 00:18:38,366 eventually die in prison, although not from what 481 00:18:38,366 --> 00:18:40,838 you think. And and again, there are s 482 00:18:40,838 --> 00:18:41,338 aspects 483 00:18:42,194 --> 00:18:44,347 briefly alluded to hear how someone who was 484 00:18:44,347 --> 00:18:46,910 so entrenched and in boy bands and and 485 00:18:46,910 --> 00:18:49,535 do is by own admission, Touchy feely and 486 00:18:49,535 --> 00:18:52,081 asking the kids to see their abs and 487 00:18:52,081 --> 00:18:54,156 whatnot. So there's a certain under belly of 488 00:18:54,156 --> 00:18:56,454 seating is. But I think what the viewer 489 00:18:56,454 --> 00:18:56,954 will, 490 00:18:57,563 --> 00:18:58,856 come away from this 491 00:18:59,957 --> 00:19:01,786 appreciating is that the, I think Per was 492 00:19:01,786 --> 00:19:04,330 more asexual than anything else, and there was 493 00:19:04,330 --> 00:19:07,033 no evidence that he was involved in any 494 00:19:07,033 --> 00:19:08,941 sexual imp proprietary with any of these people. 495 00:19:09,433 --> 00:19:11,581 Or assured, they would have come forward. I'm 496 00:19:11,581 --> 00:19:14,286 pretty sure by by by this point. So 497 00:19:14,286 --> 00:19:15,717 he was just 1 of these guys who 498 00:19:15,717 --> 00:19:16,217 was 499 00:19:16,767 --> 00:19:18,437 like to be the center of attention and 500 00:19:18,437 --> 00:19:21,460 liked to, you know, be basically a music 501 00:19:21,460 --> 00:19:22,812 venture capitalist and 502 00:19:23,703 --> 00:19:25,933 boost the careers of these and what would 503 00:19:25,933 --> 00:19:27,846 do I become household names for a decade 504 00:19:27,846 --> 00:19:30,076 and a half and a pop culture par. 505 00:19:30,236 --> 00:19:34,160 So really amazing, a wild tale know, inexplicable 506 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:35,039 on so many fronts. 507 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:37,440 A lot of the the people's accounts were 508 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,160 really interesting. I mean, it was fascinating to 509 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:40,820 see Per 510 00:19:41,295 --> 00:19:43,775 on the lamb in Bali Indonesia. I mean, 511 00:19:43,855 --> 00:19:45,154 this is a globe t 512 00:19:45,535 --> 00:19:47,375 affair that would rival any James bond film. 513 00:19:47,615 --> 00:19:48,994 I mean, there's so much in 514 00:19:49,627 --> 00:19:51,692 so much craziness in this film, Like, I'm 515 00:19:51,692 --> 00:19:52,747 so glad I 516 00:19:53,438 --> 00:19:55,820 inadvertently clicked on it because there's so much, 517 00:19:56,455 --> 00:19:58,494 you, especially for someone like me really didn't 518 00:19:58,694 --> 00:20:00,768 pay too much heed to the likes of 519 00:20:00,768 --> 00:20:02,841 a pearl other than thinking it a bit 520 00:20:02,841 --> 00:20:05,234 a bit un savory that this guy was 521 00:20:05,234 --> 00:20:07,467 creating all these boy bands, but not really 522 00:20:07,467 --> 00:20:10,109 delving too much into it, but truly very 523 00:20:10,109 --> 00:20:12,893 interesting me, a a very solid effort on 524 00:20:13,052 --> 00:20:15,850 Netflix currently and creating quite a buzz much 525 00:20:15,850 --> 00:20:17,358 like those acts did back in the day 526 00:20:17,358 --> 00:20:20,691 with songs like, 1 it that way. Tell 527 00:20:20,691 --> 00:20:23,089 me why. And all this good stuff. 3 528 00:20:23,089 --> 00:20:24,525 and a half out of 5 for me 529 00:20:24,525 --> 00:20:26,759 learned a lot that I've detailed here, and 530 00:20:26,759 --> 00:20:28,275 it it was kinda good to get away 531 00:20:28,275 --> 00:20:29,950 from a horror a little bit to 532 00:20:30,522 --> 00:20:33,063 dive into the the music business. So speaking 533 00:20:33,063 --> 00:20:33,857 of horror words really. 534 00:20:34,571 --> 00:20:36,635 Anyway, hope you enjoy the show. We'll hopefully 535 00:20:36,635 --> 00:20:39,120 be back to regularly scheduled programming 536 00:20:39,589 --> 00:20:41,605 I've been super busy and caught a 537 00:20:41,982 --> 00:20:45,572 a rare summer bug. So I'm hopefully gonna 538 00:20:45,572 --> 00:20:46,471 be back to 539 00:20:46,783 --> 00:20:49,563 the territory with which I'm much more familiar 540 00:20:49,563 --> 00:20:51,470 and, my home home base is at work. 541 00:20:51,708 --> 00:20:53,297 I'll talk to you soon. Take care.