1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,839 [Advertisement] The Slow Comedy Festival is back for its 2 00:00:01,839 --> 00:00:04,720 [Advertisement] fifteenth year, February twenty seventh through March second. 3 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:06,640 [Advertisement] As always, the Slow Comedy Festival is packed 4 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:08,639 [Advertisement] with over forty of the world's top headlining 5 00:00:08,639 --> 00:00:11,440 [Advertisement] comedians who've been featured on Max, Netflix, Comedy 6 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:13,925 [Advertisement] Central, NBC. Look, they're really, really good performing 7 00:00:13,925 --> 00:00:16,325 [Advertisement] at over twenty shows at ten locations from 8 00:00:16,325 --> 00:00:18,405 [Advertisement] Paso to AG along with the best of 9 00:00:18,405 --> 00:00:20,405 [Advertisement] the best returning to the performing arts center 10 00:00:20,405 --> 00:00:22,565 [Advertisement] San Luis Obispo. Shows will sell out for 11 00:00:22,565 --> 00:00:24,960 [Advertisement] tickets and more information about the fifteenth annual 12 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,199 [Advertisement] Slow Comedy Festival, February twenty seventh through March 13 00:00:27,199 --> 00:00:29,919 [Advertisement] second. Visit slow comedy festival dot com today. 14 00:00:29,919 --> 00:00:31,759 [Advertisement] You're up and at them. Your systems are 15 00:00:31,759 --> 00:00:32,579 [Advertisement] open. What? 16 00:00:34,879 --> 00:00:35,920 [Sound Design] We are beyond FM. 17 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:36,719 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] Beyond FM. 18 00:00:36,719 --> 00:00:39,215 [Sound Design] The future of broadcasting is here 19 00:00:39,215 --> 00:00:39,855 [Adam] is here 20 00:00:39,855 --> 00:00:42,734 [Sound Design] is here. Up and Adam with Adam on 21 00:00:42,734 --> 00:00:46,574 [Sound Design] teal. It's community content from Concentrate. It's Up 22 00:00:46,574 --> 00:00:48,515 [Intro] and Adam with Adam on teal. 23 00:01:06,430 --> 00:01:06,645 [Advertisement] Well, 24 00:01:08,484 --> 00:01:09,765 [Adam] Well, thanks so much for being up at 25 00:01:09,765 --> 00:01:12,744 [Adam] Adam. Happy Monday. My name is Adam Monteil. 26 00:01:12,804 --> 00:01:16,024 [Adam] Hope you had a great weekend, gorgeous outside. 27 00:01:16,965 --> 00:01:19,465 [Adam] Lots of winning. We're kinda wrapping up two 28 00:01:19,765 --> 00:01:22,340 [Adam] different places for you to win. Obviously, Blend 29 00:01:22,340 --> 00:01:25,060 [Adam] Fest happens over the weekend. That's gone. But 30 00:01:25,060 --> 00:01:27,620 [Adam] World of Pinot Noir happening this weekend as 31 00:01:27,620 --> 00:01:31,380 [Adam] well as festivities beginning later this weekend going 32 00:01:31,380 --> 00:01:34,155 [Adam] through the weekend for Slow Comedy Fest. So 33 00:01:34,155 --> 00:01:35,915 [Adam] get to adam on teal dot com. For 34 00:01:35,915 --> 00:01:38,175 [Adam] Slow Comedy Fest, we got some tickets including 35 00:01:38,555 --> 00:01:41,535 [Adam] Best of the Fest, which is on Sunday, 36 00:01:41,835 --> 00:01:45,275 [Adam] March second. But listen to this, Thursday, eight 37 00:01:45,275 --> 00:01:49,080 [Adam] PM, Jokadelic Tales happening at blast eight two 38 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,120 [Adam] five in AG. Tickets for that. Also, tickets 39 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,400 [Adam] for Friday's event, which is called Silly Saison. 40 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,300 [Adam] That's at Libertine. Again, that's the twenty eighth. 41 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,180 [Adam] And then Saturday, March first, only the nasty 42 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,135 [Adam] survive at Slow Brew. This is Saturday, nine 43 00:02:04,135 --> 00:02:05,815 [Adam] thirty PM. This is going to be, you 44 00:02:05,815 --> 00:02:07,895 [Adam] know, if you like your comedy, a little 45 00:02:07,895 --> 00:02:11,175 [Adam] naughty. Oh, yeah. You like a little bit 46 00:02:11,175 --> 00:02:13,655 [Adam] r rated, a little naughty comedy, this is 47 00:02:13,655 --> 00:02:16,055 [Adam] for you. It's called Only the Nasty Survive. 48 00:02:16,055 --> 00:02:18,530 [Adam] Get to adamon teal dot com. And one, 49 00:02:18,530 --> 00:02:19,810 [Adam] you can just go right off the homepage 50 00:02:19,810 --> 00:02:21,489 [Adam] and try your hand. But in the message 51 00:02:21,489 --> 00:02:26,049 [Adam] part, let me know what show sounds like 52 00:02:26,049 --> 00:02:27,569 [Adam] fun to you that you wanna go to. 53 00:02:27,569 --> 00:02:29,569 [Adam] Is it Best of the Fest on Sunday, 54 00:02:29,569 --> 00:02:32,305 [Adam] March second? Is it Saturdays? Right there, I 55 00:02:32,305 --> 00:02:34,385 [Adam] told you. Only the nasty survive. Maybe you 56 00:02:34,385 --> 00:02:37,425 [Adam] want some, mid to late week, jokadelic tales 57 00:02:37,425 --> 00:02:38,864 [Adam] at blast eight two five because you're in 58 00:02:38,864 --> 00:02:41,265 [Adam] the five cities. That's Thursday at eight. And 59 00:02:41,265 --> 00:02:43,105 [Adam] then again, Friday at nine, silly season at 60 00:02:43,105 --> 00:02:45,765 [Adam] liberty. Lots going on with the fifteenth annual 61 00:02:46,140 --> 00:02:48,959 [Adam] Slow Comedy Fest. Your last chance to win 62 00:02:49,340 --> 00:02:51,099 [Adam] right now. Get to adam on teal dot 63 00:02:51,099 --> 00:02:54,860 [Adam] com, and good luck. Also, like I mentioned, 64 00:02:54,860 --> 00:02:57,819 [Adam] World of Pinot Noir, tastings this Friday and 65 00:02:57,819 --> 00:03:00,540 [Adam] this Saturday at the Bacara Resort in Santa 66 00:03:00,540 --> 00:03:03,365 [Adam] Barbara. Ritz Carlton, baby. It's on. I'm gonna 67 00:03:03,365 --> 00:03:06,485 [Adam] be doing an episode of The Poor, both 68 00:03:06,485 --> 00:03:09,685 [Adam] during both big tastings, Friday and Saturday. So 69 00:03:09,685 --> 00:03:11,765 [Adam] completely kinda different event. There's a lot of 70 00:03:11,765 --> 00:03:13,765 [Adam] winning for you at adam on teal dot 71 00:03:13,765 --> 00:03:16,505 [Adam] com. Get registered, and we'll see you there. 72 00:03:16,810 --> 00:03:18,489 [Adam] Alright. Later in the show, we're diving into 73 00:03:18,489 --> 00:03:20,970 [Adam] a story that's bigger than headlines. It's about 74 00:03:20,970 --> 00:03:25,049 [Adam] trust, betrayal, and how two men turned one 75 00:03:25,049 --> 00:03:29,129 [Adam] of the most respected uniforms into a deadly 76 00:03:29,129 --> 00:03:32,105 [Adam] disguise. Best selling author and award winning journalist, 77 00:03:32,105 --> 00:03:34,665 [Adam] Michael Kinnell joins us to talk about Blood 78 00:03:34,665 --> 00:03:37,305 [Adam] and the Badge. His latest book, New York 79 00:03:37,305 --> 00:03:41,165 [Adam] Times bestseller that uncovers how two NYPD detectives 80 00:03:42,540 --> 00:03:46,300 [Adam] secretly worked for the mafia. Not just leaking 81 00:03:46,300 --> 00:03:50,300 [Adam] intel, but pulling the trigger themselves. Now this 82 00:03:50,300 --> 00:03:52,459 [Adam] isn't just cops and robbers. It is a 83 00:03:52,459 --> 00:03:55,840 [Adam] story of power, corruption, and how the people 84 00:03:55,900 --> 00:03:59,225 [Adam] meant to protect us sometimes become the biggest 85 00:03:59,225 --> 00:04:01,465 [Adam] threat. Stick around. It's a conversation that goes 86 00:04:01,465 --> 00:04:04,605 [Adam] way beyond the badge, and it's a really 87 00:04:04,665 --> 00:04:07,465 [Adam] interesting chat with a really interesting author. Before 88 00:04:07,465 --> 00:04:09,305 [Adam] we get into our lo fi headlines, mark 89 00:04:09,305 --> 00:04:12,420 [Adam] our calendars because Lumina Knights is back at 90 00:04:12,420 --> 00:04:15,220 [Adam] the stunning pavilion on the Lake Natascadero. And 91 00:04:15,220 --> 00:04:18,340 [Adam] now, it's happening three nights, May first, second, 92 00:04:18,340 --> 00:04:20,420 [Adam] and third. That's right. The first two nights 93 00:04:20,420 --> 00:04:21,860 [Adam] sold out. We told you about this when 94 00:04:21,860 --> 00:04:24,825 [Adam] they were selling tickets. So they just added 95 00:04:24,825 --> 00:04:28,585 [Adam] an extra night Thursday, May first. This year's 96 00:04:28,585 --> 00:04:31,865 [Adam] theme transformation celebrates the powerful changes we're creating 97 00:04:31,865 --> 00:04:34,585 [Adam] for survivors and our community. Get ready for 98 00:04:34,585 --> 00:04:37,065 [Adam] an unforgettable evening packed with live music, incredible 99 00:04:37,065 --> 00:04:40,000 [Adam] dining, local wine, beer, and of course, Dancing 100 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,080 [Adam] with Our Stars. Watch familiar faces from around 101 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,640 [Adam] the Central Coast take the stage, shining a 102 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:49,020 [Adam] light on healing, empowerment, and hope. And it's 103 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,640 [Adam] more important now than ever to show some 104 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,280 [Adam] love to Illumina Alliance. With everything going on 105 00:04:54,280 --> 00:04:56,975 [Adam] and questions if their grant money and federal 106 00:04:56,975 --> 00:04:58,895 [Adam] help money is gonna come through, it's just 107 00:04:58,975 --> 00:05:01,055 [Adam] I just implore you and beg of you 108 00:05:01,055 --> 00:05:03,695 [Adam] to show them some love. Get to Illumina 109 00:05:03,695 --> 00:05:05,775 [Adam] Alliance dot org. For the event, go to 110 00:05:05,775 --> 00:05:08,420 [Adam] Illumina Alliance dot org slash events, and I 111 00:05:08,420 --> 00:05:09,540 [Adam] got a link in the show notes for 112 00:05:09,540 --> 00:05:11,060 [Adam] you. I'll be the MC of the night. 113 00:05:11,060 --> 00:05:12,980 [Adam] Can't wait to celebrate with you. Tickets won't 114 00:05:12,980 --> 00:05:15,540 [Adam] last, so grab yours again. Lumina alliance dot 115 00:05:15,540 --> 00:05:18,440 [Adam] org, and let's transform lives together. 116 00:05:18,500 --> 00:05:20,280 [Sound Design] Up and Atoms, lo fi headlines. 117 00:05:20,420 --> 00:05:22,680 [Adam] Well, San Luis Obispo is facing a disturbing 118 00:05:22,740 --> 00:05:25,855 [Adam] trend with youth coaches crossing the line. Most 119 00:05:25,855 --> 00:05:28,575 [Adam] recently, twenty two year old Trevor Mason, a 120 00:05:28,575 --> 00:05:31,235 [Adam] JV football coach at Morro Bay High School, 121 00:05:31,295 --> 00:05:35,455 [Adam] was arrested for allegedly selling counterfeit Adderall near 122 00:05:35,455 --> 00:05:37,910 [Adam] a school. The search of his home turned 123 00:05:37,910 --> 00:05:41,990 [Adam] out more suspected narcotics, including psilocybin mushrooms along 124 00:05:41,990 --> 00:05:45,830 [Adam] with packaging materials, suggesting drug sales. But Mason's 125 00:05:45,830 --> 00:05:48,070 [Adam] arrest is just the latest. In twenty one, 126 00:05:48,070 --> 00:05:50,715 [Adam] a girl swim coach convicted for sexual misconduct 127 00:05:50,855 --> 00:05:53,355 [Adam] with a student. And in twenty twenty three, 128 00:05:53,575 --> 00:05:56,955 [Adam] a basketball coach was fired over similar allegations 129 00:05:57,335 --> 00:05:59,815 [Adam] that's sparking serious questions on how people in 130 00:05:59,815 --> 00:06:03,175 [Adam] these trusted roles are being vetted and how 131 00:06:03,175 --> 00:06:05,820 [Adam] schools can do better at protecting students. What 132 00:06:05,820 --> 00:06:09,420 [Adam] a story, though. Alright. California news. Our high 133 00:06:09,420 --> 00:06:13,440 [Adam] speed rail project was supposed to revolutionize travel, 134 00:06:13,820 --> 00:06:16,140 [Adam] connecting San Francisco to LA. And then it 135 00:06:16,140 --> 00:06:17,580 [Adam] was like, oh, maybe we'll just stick to, 136 00:06:17,580 --> 00:06:20,495 [Adam] like, Merced, something stupid. It was just some 137 00:06:20,495 --> 00:06:22,415 [Adam] Central Valley thing, like, two places that no 138 00:06:22,415 --> 00:06:24,735 [Adam] one gave a you know what to go 139 00:06:24,735 --> 00:06:26,975 [Adam] to or go from and to. But this 140 00:06:26,975 --> 00:06:29,455 [Adam] high speed rail between San Francisco and LA 141 00:06:29,455 --> 00:06:32,035 [Adam] was supposed to be done by twenty twenty 142 00:06:32,095 --> 00:06:34,780 [Adam] for thirty three billion dollars. Fast forward to 143 00:06:34,780 --> 00:06:37,020 [Adam] twenty twenty five, and the project's price tag 144 00:06:37,020 --> 00:06:40,000 [Adam] has tripled to a hundred and six billion 145 00:06:40,139 --> 00:06:42,639 [Adam] with not only no finish line in sight, 146 00:06:42,860 --> 00:06:45,500 [Adam] but no track on the ground to begin 147 00:06:45,500 --> 00:06:48,514 [Adam] with. And now the US Department of Transportation 148 00:06:48,735 --> 00:06:50,975 [Adam] is questioning whether the state should keep the 149 00:06:50,975 --> 00:06:53,694 [Adam] four billion in federal funding. People looking objectively 150 00:06:53,694 --> 00:06:55,375 [Adam] at what's going on, it's a textbook case 151 00:06:55,375 --> 00:06:57,294 [Adam] of government waste. Many are wondering if this 152 00:06:57,294 --> 00:06:59,634 [Adam] bullet train will ever even leave the station, 153 00:07:00,175 --> 00:07:02,820 [Adam] or is it just another California dream? Derailed 154 00:07:02,820 --> 00:07:06,060 [Adam] by politics, mismanagement, this one is one to 155 00:07:06,060 --> 00:07:09,900 [Adam] watch. And locally, in Cambria, a routine coffee 156 00:07:09,900 --> 00:07:13,500 [Adam] run turned into every pet owner's nightmare. Annie, 157 00:07:13,500 --> 00:07:15,745 [Adam] a twelve year old Samoyed, was napping in 158 00:07:15,745 --> 00:07:18,145 [Adam] her family's black Honda CR V when the 159 00:07:18,145 --> 00:07:20,705 [Adam] car was stolen from a parking lot. Hours 160 00:07:20,705 --> 00:07:23,264 [Adam] of panic followed until a worker at Lynn's 161 00:07:23,264 --> 00:07:26,705 [Adam] restaurant spotted the car in their lot, Annie's 162 00:07:26,705 --> 00:07:28,944 [Adam] fluffy white ears poking up from the back 163 00:07:28,944 --> 00:07:31,389 [Adam] seat. The good Samaritan called the police and 164 00:07:31,389 --> 00:07:33,789 [Adam] Annie's family who rushed over to find their 165 00:07:33,789 --> 00:07:37,710 [Adam] dog and car completely intact. Deep breath. Thank 166 00:07:37,710 --> 00:07:40,349 [Adam] god. Annie was a little hungry, a little 167 00:07:40,349 --> 00:07:43,134 [Adam] shaky, but safe. And the car, not a 168 00:07:43,134 --> 00:07:44,735 [Adam] scratch on it. Just a quarter tank of 169 00:07:44,735 --> 00:07:46,814 [Adam] gas missing like the thief almost took her 170 00:07:46,814 --> 00:07:50,014 [Adam] for a joyride. CHP's still investigating, but for 171 00:07:50,014 --> 00:07:52,175 [Adam] Annie's family, the only thing that matters is 172 00:07:52,175 --> 00:07:54,814 [Adam] that their little child, that's what they are, 173 00:07:54,814 --> 00:07:57,390 [Adam] these dogs. They are family members, no doubt, 174 00:07:57,790 --> 00:08:00,350 [Adam] is back home. Also, just so a lesson 175 00:08:00,350 --> 00:08:02,030 [Adam] can be learned here, this was a case 176 00:08:02,030 --> 00:08:04,110 [Adam] of the car owner, I believe, leaving their 177 00:08:04,110 --> 00:08:06,510 [Adam] keys on the floor of their car, like, 178 00:08:06,510 --> 00:08:08,190 [Adam] just taking out the keys, dropping on the 179 00:08:08,190 --> 00:08:10,670 [Adam] floor, and then going in. Yeah. Probably not 180 00:08:10,670 --> 00:08:13,395 [Adam] the best idea, especially when you have such 181 00:08:13,395 --> 00:08:15,315 [Adam] precious cargo in the car. So I'm sure 182 00:08:15,315 --> 00:08:17,235 [Adam] that they learned a lesson, and I'm just 183 00:08:17,235 --> 00:08:19,975 [Adam] glad that they, their car, and most importantly, 184 00:08:20,435 --> 00:08:23,395 [Adam] their dog is all safe and sound. This 185 00:08:23,395 --> 00:08:25,415 [Adam] is kind of a crazy story. Freight trains 186 00:08:25,715 --> 00:08:29,470 [Adam] rumbling through the Mojave Desert have become unlikely 187 00:08:29,610 --> 00:08:33,950 [Adam] targets for high stakes robberies. It's like pirates 188 00:08:34,250 --> 00:08:36,410 [Adam] on the rails now. The latest heist is 189 00:08:36,410 --> 00:08:39,050 [Adam] all about sneakers. Thieves made off with about 190 00:08:39,050 --> 00:08:41,770 [Adam] three hundred thousand dollars worth of Nike Air 191 00:08:41,770 --> 00:08:46,125 [Adam] Jordans from a stationary train loading twelve hundred 192 00:08:46,125 --> 00:08:48,204 [Adam] seventy eight pairs into a U Haul and 193 00:08:48,204 --> 00:08:51,084 [Adam] then making their getaway. But Nike, they had 194 00:08:51,084 --> 00:08:53,245 [Adam] the last laugh. Those boxes, they all had 195 00:08:53,245 --> 00:08:56,630 [Adam] GPS trackers. Police traced the stolen kicks to 196 00:08:56,630 --> 00:08:59,750 [Adam] an Anaheim parking lot, arrested the crew on 197 00:08:59,750 --> 00:09:01,510 [Adam] the spot. It's part of a growing trend 198 00:09:01,510 --> 00:09:04,870 [Adam] of cargo thefts targeting high end goods, turning 199 00:09:04,870 --> 00:09:08,010 [Adam] remote train routes into hot spots for organized 200 00:09:08,070 --> 00:09:11,795 [Adam] crime. Glad they got these guys. And finally, 201 00:09:11,795 --> 00:09:14,595 [Adam] in South Carolina, death row inmate Brad Sigmund 202 00:09:14,595 --> 00:09:17,875 [Adam] has chosen the firing squad as his method 203 00:09:17,875 --> 00:09:20,195 [Adam] of execution set for March seventh. And if 204 00:09:20,195 --> 00:09:21,715 [Adam] it goes through, it's gonna be the first 205 00:09:21,715 --> 00:09:25,680 [Adam] US execution by gunfire in fifteen years. Sigmund, 206 00:09:25,680 --> 00:09:28,320 [Adam] who's sixty seven, was convicted of murdering his 207 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,760 [Adam] ex girlfriend's parents in o one. His lawyers 208 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,160 [Adam] say the choice isn't about preference, it's about 209 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,360 [Adam] fear. South Carolina's lethal injection process has been 210 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,675 [Adam] shrouded in secrecy with botched executions reported in 211 00:09:40,675 --> 00:09:43,154 [Adam] recent months. One man appeared to be suffering 212 00:09:43,154 --> 00:09:46,774 [Adam] drowning like suffocation, while another required multiple doses 213 00:09:46,995 --> 00:09:50,194 [Adam] of the pentobarbital. Sickman's legal team says he's 214 00:09:50,194 --> 00:09:54,110 [Adam] faced with an impossible choice, electric chair, lethal 215 00:09:54,110 --> 00:09:56,830 [Adam] injection, or a firing squad. If he survives 216 00:09:56,830 --> 00:09:59,230 [Adam] the initial round of gunfire, state protocol allows 217 00:09:59,230 --> 00:10:02,350 [Adam] for a second volley after ten minutes. Critics, 218 00:10:02,350 --> 00:10:04,350 [Adam] including a South Carolina judge, call the method 219 00:10:04,350 --> 00:10:08,755 [Adam] cruel and unconstitutional. Sigmund, now a devout Christian, 220 00:10:08,755 --> 00:10:11,395 [Adam] has expressed deep remorse for his crimes. His 221 00:10:11,395 --> 00:10:14,355 [Adam] lawyers say executing him serves no purpose except 222 00:10:14,355 --> 00:10:16,935 [Adam] to send a chilling message that South Carolina 223 00:10:16,995 --> 00:10:19,895 [Adam] doesn't believe in redemption no matter how sincere. 224 00:10:20,330 --> 00:10:21,930 [Adam] It's really a tough story all around no 225 00:10:21,930 --> 00:10:23,850 [Adam] matter where you fall, whether it's on capital 226 00:10:23,850 --> 00:10:26,250 [Adam] punishment, being an advocate for the victim and 227 00:10:26,250 --> 00:10:28,830 [Adam] their family, and just if you're gonna engage 228 00:10:28,890 --> 00:10:31,530 [Adam] in capital punishment, just getting it right. 229 00:10:31,530 --> 00:10:33,310 [Sound Design] Up and Adams, lo fi headlines. 230 00:10:34,295 --> 00:10:36,855 [Adam] Alright. Today's guest, someone who doesn't just write 231 00:10:36,855 --> 00:10:39,515 [Adam] about crime, he writes about what it reveals 232 00:10:39,815 --> 00:10:42,375 [Adam] about us. Michael Kinnell is a best selling 233 00:10:42,375 --> 00:10:44,535 [Adam] author and veteran journalist who has appeared in 234 00:10:44,535 --> 00:10:46,295 [Adam] the New York Times, the New Yorker, Sports 235 00:10:46,295 --> 00:10:49,510 [Adam] Illustrated, and more. His latest book, Blood and 236 00:10:49,510 --> 00:10:52,890 [Adam] the Badge, tells the almost unbelievable true story 237 00:10:53,110 --> 00:10:56,790 [Adam] of two NYPD detectives who weren't just bending 238 00:10:56,790 --> 00:10:59,370 [Adam] the rules, they were actually working as hitmen 239 00:10:59,590 --> 00:11:02,185 [Adam] for the mafia. The story about corruption, but, 240 00:11:02,185 --> 00:11:05,704 [Adam] yes, also the ambition, loyalty, and how power 241 00:11:05,704 --> 00:11:09,144 [Adam] can twist sometimes everything it touches. Michael, thanks 242 00:11:09,144 --> 00:11:10,845 [Adam] so much, man, for being up in Adam. 243 00:11:10,904 --> 00:11:12,024 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] Yeah. Thank you, Adam. 244 00:11:12,024 --> 00:11:14,204 [Adam] You know, as you peeled back the layers 245 00:11:14,649 --> 00:11:17,529 [Adam] of this story, what haunted you most about 246 00:11:17,529 --> 00:11:20,750 [Adam] the way these men operated within the NYPD 247 00:11:20,970 --> 00:11:23,450 [Adam] for so long? Was it their their methods, 248 00:11:23,450 --> 00:11:25,770 [Adam] their boldness, or or the system that enabled 249 00:11:25,770 --> 00:11:26,270 [Adam] them? 250 00:11:26,330 --> 00:11:27,850 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] Yeah. I mean, I think it was the 251 00:11:28,010 --> 00:11:33,665 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] just the the, the level of, of deception 252 00:11:33,805 --> 00:11:36,365 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] that they had had engaged in. We're talking 253 00:11:36,365 --> 00:11:42,305 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] about two decorated NYPD detectives who were secretly 254 00:11:42,365 --> 00:11:46,010 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] on the mafia payroll, and they were passing 255 00:11:46,310 --> 00:11:49,910 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] sensitive police and FBI information along to the 256 00:11:49,910 --> 00:11:54,630 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] mob, who was under investigation, whose phones were 257 00:11:54,630 --> 00:11:59,075 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] tapped, who was about to who was who 258 00:11:59,075 --> 00:12:01,895 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] was, who was about to be arrested, and 259 00:12:02,035 --> 00:12:07,095 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] most importantly, who in the mafia ranks, was 260 00:12:07,235 --> 00:12:10,070 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] a rat, a fink, a squealer, a canary, 261 00:12:10,130 --> 00:12:11,890 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] as they called them, who was, in other 262 00:12:11,890 --> 00:12:15,510 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] words, who was secretly informing on his brethren. 263 00:12:16,370 --> 00:12:18,930 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] And then the just to answer your question, 264 00:12:18,930 --> 00:12:23,330 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] then these two detectives would facilitate their the 265 00:12:23,330 --> 00:12:27,225 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] murders of these of these betrayers. And at 266 00:12:27,225 --> 00:12:30,765 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] least one case, they pull the trigger themselves. 267 00:12:31,145 --> 00:12:33,404 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] I mean, this is this is, you know, 268 00:12:33,705 --> 00:12:38,265 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] this is dark stuff. Right? The, decorated, high 269 00:12:38,265 --> 00:12:41,680 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] ranking detectives were actually committing murders. 270 00:12:42,380 --> 00:12:44,700 [Adam] Were they just in it so deep that 271 00:12:44,700 --> 00:12:47,340 [Adam] they were enthralled with what was encompassing them, 272 00:12:47,340 --> 00:12:49,660 [Adam] or do you think even them, like, when 273 00:12:49,660 --> 00:12:52,964 [Adam] that moment happened, that one goes, oh my 274 00:12:52,964 --> 00:12:54,325 [Adam] god. What did I just what did I 275 00:12:54,325 --> 00:12:55,685 [Adam] just find? What did I do? What did 276 00:12:55,685 --> 00:12:56,505 [Adam] I just do? 277 00:12:57,285 --> 00:12:59,445 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] Well, and that's a really good question. One 278 00:12:59,445 --> 00:13:03,144 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] of these detectives, a man named Louis Eppolito, 279 00:13:03,365 --> 00:13:06,970 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] was born into a mafia family. His father 280 00:13:06,970 --> 00:13:10,730 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] was a Gambino capo known as Fat the 281 00:13:10,730 --> 00:13:14,089 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] Gangster, and his uncle was a capo known 282 00:13:14,089 --> 00:13:17,130 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] as Jimmy the Clam. So Louis grew up 283 00:13:17,130 --> 00:13:19,665 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] in this world, and he betrayed his family, 284 00:13:19,725 --> 00:13:23,165 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] rebelled against his family by joining the police 285 00:13:23,165 --> 00:13:27,085 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] department. But I think the I think that 286 00:13:27,085 --> 00:13:30,525 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] the the, you know, the the the code 287 00:13:30,525 --> 00:13:33,890 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] of the mafia somehow stayed with him, And 288 00:13:33,890 --> 00:13:36,690 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] it was as if he was it was 289 00:13:36,690 --> 00:13:40,130 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] as if he was a mafiosi masquerading as 290 00:13:40,130 --> 00:13:42,050 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] a cop or maybe the other way around. 291 00:13:42,050 --> 00:13:42,950 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] I'm not sure. 292 00:13:43,010 --> 00:13:43,510 [Adam] Yeah. 293 00:13:43,890 --> 00:13:45,650 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] So for him, I think in his mind, 294 00:13:45,650 --> 00:13:47,885 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] there was a sort of there was a 295 00:13:47,885 --> 00:13:54,525 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] sort of swagger and prestige, to to, to 296 00:13:54,525 --> 00:13:58,685 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] being in the mob. And, he was he 297 00:13:58,685 --> 00:14:00,845 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] was acting that out even as he was 298 00:14:00,845 --> 00:14:01,505 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] a detective. 299 00:14:02,285 --> 00:14:06,200 [Adam] Yeah. You know, your book doesn't just recount 300 00:14:06,260 --> 00:14:10,120 [Adam] events. It really humanizes the consequences. When you 301 00:14:10,339 --> 00:14:14,180 [Adam] spoke with people impacted by epilido and, how 302 00:14:14,180 --> 00:14:15,459 [Adam] do you say that last name of that 303 00:14:15,459 --> 00:14:16,920 [Adam] other gentleman, Caracapa? 304 00:14:17,765 --> 00:14:19,065 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] Caracapa. Yeah. 305 00:14:19,125 --> 00:14:22,085 [Adam] And Caracapa's crimes, what did they teach you 306 00:14:22,085 --> 00:14:24,025 [Adam] about resilience, even forgiveness? 307 00:14:25,045 --> 00:14:26,325 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] Yeah. I mean, one of the things that 308 00:14:26,325 --> 00:14:28,085 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] was really I'm not sure if this exactly 309 00:14:28,085 --> 00:14:29,685 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] answers your question, but one of the things 310 00:14:29,685 --> 00:14:34,379 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] that was just by the amazing experience about 311 00:14:34,379 --> 00:14:36,540 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] reporting on this book is that I I 312 00:14:36,540 --> 00:14:38,779 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] spoke to a great deal of people who 313 00:14:38,779 --> 00:14:43,120 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] had had had suffered because of this episode, 314 00:14:44,540 --> 00:14:51,195 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] detectives, DEA agents, family members of the victims. 315 00:14:51,975 --> 00:14:53,654 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] And if you're a reporter, you don't really 316 00:14:53,654 --> 00:14:55,735 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] always know how far you can go in 317 00:14:55,735 --> 00:15:00,235 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] asking people about it. And it really surprised 318 00:15:00,375 --> 00:15:03,209 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] me how candid people were and how much 319 00:15:03,209 --> 00:15:05,850 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] they were willing to talk about it and 320 00:15:05,850 --> 00:15:10,190 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] help me understand, you know, help me understand 321 00:15:10,329 --> 00:15:13,850 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] the story and, and really walk me through 322 00:15:13,850 --> 00:15:14,329 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] it. 323 00:15:14,329 --> 00:15:15,930 [Adam] You know, when we think of organized crime, 324 00:15:15,930 --> 00:15:19,205 [Adam] we often think of a a mafia infiltrating 325 00:15:19,425 --> 00:15:21,665 [Adam] from the outside. But here was the n 326 00:15:21,825 --> 00:15:25,025 [Adam] and the NYPD infected from the inside. What 327 00:15:25,025 --> 00:15:28,625 [Adam] does that inversion say about the fragility of 328 00:15:28,625 --> 00:15:29,445 [Adam] these institutions? 329 00:15:30,959 --> 00:15:32,879 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] Yeah. That's a really good question. I mean, 330 00:15:32,879 --> 00:15:35,540 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] part of what was happening in that case, 331 00:15:36,079 --> 00:15:38,079 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] and this really surprised me. I would not 332 00:15:38,079 --> 00:15:40,000 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] have known this before I did the reporting 333 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,240 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] on this book. What was happening in this 334 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:48,235 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] case was that the mobsters and the detectives 335 00:15:49,334 --> 00:15:52,055 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] had all grown up with each other. They 336 00:15:52,055 --> 00:15:54,235 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] had all grown up in the same neighborhoods 337 00:15:54,375 --> 00:15:58,535 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] in South Brooklyn, and Staten Island. They had 338 00:15:58,535 --> 00:16:00,855 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] gone to the same schools. They had dated 339 00:16:00,855 --> 00:16:03,950 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] the same girls. And even as adults, they 340 00:16:03,950 --> 00:16:06,690 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] even drank in the same bars. And the 341 00:16:07,150 --> 00:16:11,170 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] the detective who ultimately brought these two corrupt 342 00:16:11,390 --> 00:16:14,910 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] cops down, was friends with a lot of 343 00:16:14,910 --> 00:16:22,635 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] the mobsters. Inverted, as you say, and kind 344 00:16:22,635 --> 00:16:24,654 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] of incestuous all of this was. 345 00:16:25,355 --> 00:16:27,135 [Adam] And if you could sit down with either 346 00:16:27,355 --> 00:16:31,220 [Adam] Eppolito or Caracapa, knowing what you know now, 347 00:16:31,220 --> 00:16:33,780 [Adam] what is something a question or or what 348 00:16:33,780 --> 00:16:35,400 [Adam] would you wanna ask each of them? 349 00:16:35,700 --> 00:16:41,355 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] I mean, Steven, Louis Eppolito was from a 350 00:16:41,355 --> 00:16:45,355 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] mafia family as we've said. So we can 351 00:16:45,355 --> 00:16:49,115 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] imagine that his motivations were just kinda like 352 00:16:49,115 --> 00:16:50,635 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] he was mixed up in his head about 353 00:16:50,635 --> 00:16:52,955 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] whether he was a a cop or a 354 00:16:52,955 --> 00:16:57,090 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] mafiosi. Stephen Caracappa is the person I would 355 00:16:57,090 --> 00:17:01,250 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] most like to have talked to because, it's 356 00:17:01,250 --> 00:17:03,330 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] it's hard to know why he did this 357 00:17:03,330 --> 00:17:05,810 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] exactly. On some level, I think he did 358 00:17:05,810 --> 00:17:09,184 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] it for the money. They were on a 359 00:17:09,725 --> 00:17:13,005 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] monthly retainer. They were paid four thousand dollars 360 00:17:13,005 --> 00:17:16,945 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] a month and then paid bonuses for participating 361 00:17:17,165 --> 00:17:25,200 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] in murders. But would that really Karakappa, I 362 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:26,800 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] don't think it was. I think it was 363 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,840 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] more about he felt the need to be 364 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,200 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] a part of this secret life. He felt 365 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,040 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] the need to be involved in this sort 366 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,795 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] of dark very dark conspiracy. I think on 367 00:17:38,855 --> 00:17:41,655 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] some way, he felt like he wanted to 368 00:17:41,655 --> 00:17:45,195 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] pull one over on on people. So that 369 00:17:46,375 --> 00:17:48,795 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] his his role in all of this is 370 00:17:48,855 --> 00:17:50,955 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] is still very murky and mysterious. 371 00:17:51,540 --> 00:17:54,100 [Adam] You know, you spent your career investigating, writing 372 00:17:54,100 --> 00:17:57,780 [Adam] about corruption and crime. After immersing yourself in 373 00:17:57,780 --> 00:18:01,160 [Adam] stories like this, how do you view the 374 00:18:01,540 --> 00:18:04,600 [Adam] concept of of justice? Does it still feel 375 00:18:04,820 --> 00:18:05,320 [Adam] attainable? 376 00:18:06,595 --> 00:18:10,515 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] Well, I I don't in writing this book 377 00:18:10,515 --> 00:18:13,414 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] and discussing this book, I don't wanna suggest 378 00:18:13,715 --> 00:18:17,955 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] that in any way that the NYPD and 379 00:18:17,955 --> 00:18:22,190 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] other law enforcement entities are cesspools of corruption. 380 00:18:22,490 --> 00:18:26,190 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] Of course, the NYPD in particular has had, 381 00:18:27,529 --> 00:18:32,235 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] has had terrible periods of corruption. And and 382 00:18:32,235 --> 00:18:37,455 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] today, there, is suffering through a spasm of 383 00:18:37,515 --> 00:18:40,555 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] allegations at the top along with the mayor's 384 00:18:40,555 --> 00:18:44,955 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] office. But the majority the probably the vast 385 00:18:44,955 --> 00:18:48,730 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] majority of cops are are good cops, devoted 386 00:18:48,870 --> 00:18:52,630 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] cops. I think this this was just this 387 00:18:52,630 --> 00:18:56,149 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] case of Louis Eppolito and Stephen Caracappa was 388 00:18:56,149 --> 00:19:02,090 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] just a freakish freakish aberration. So I think 389 00:19:02,925 --> 00:19:05,585 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] I think the rule the rule is fairness 390 00:19:05,645 --> 00:19:08,285 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] and justice, and this is was this was 391 00:19:08,285 --> 00:19:12,065 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] just a, a an aberration. 392 00:19:12,525 --> 00:19:14,125 [Adam] Yeah. Kind of what you're going to in 393 00:19:14,125 --> 00:19:16,850 [Adam] a second. At its core, this story is 394 00:19:16,850 --> 00:19:19,810 [Adam] about betrayal. Betrayal of the badge, of the 395 00:19:19,810 --> 00:19:23,010 [Adam] public, and even of their own integrity. What 396 00:19:23,010 --> 00:19:26,530 [Adam] do you think drives someone to cross that 397 00:19:26,530 --> 00:19:28,310 [Adam] line so completely? 398 00:19:29,605 --> 00:19:32,164 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] Yeah. What a great question. I mean, it's 399 00:19:33,044 --> 00:19:35,125 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] why why were they doing this? They had 400 00:19:35,125 --> 00:19:37,544 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] a lot more to lose than to gain, 401 00:19:38,245 --> 00:19:40,725 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] by doing this. I think for I think 402 00:19:40,725 --> 00:19:44,085 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] for lep Louis Eppolito, again, going back to 403 00:19:44,085 --> 00:19:47,340 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] the fact that he was from a, a 404 00:19:47,340 --> 00:19:49,980 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] mafia family. He was in some way trying 405 00:19:49,980 --> 00:19:54,380 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] to fulfill his father's ambitions for him. He 406 00:19:54,380 --> 00:19:58,140 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] was trying to pay allegiance to his father's 407 00:19:58,140 --> 00:20:02,635 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] family, the family that Kappa. Like, I mean, 408 00:20:02,635 --> 00:20:05,035 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] who knows? He was he was a very, 409 00:20:05,035 --> 00:20:09,115 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] very dark character, and, I just it's very 410 00:20:09,115 --> 00:20:10,735 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] hard to know what he was thinking. 411 00:20:10,875 --> 00:20:13,355 [Adam] You know, the mafia is often romanticized, though, 412 00:20:13,355 --> 00:20:16,870 [Adam] in popular culture. But your book kinda shatters 413 00:20:16,870 --> 00:20:19,850 [Adam] that illusion. How did writing this story challenge 414 00:20:20,070 --> 00:20:22,970 [Adam] your own perceptions of organized crime? 415 00:20:23,670 --> 00:20:25,830 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] Well, it's very tempting to think of or 416 00:20:25,990 --> 00:20:28,950 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] of mobsters as just universally being bad guys, 417 00:20:28,950 --> 00:20:30,765 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] and for good reason. They I mean, they 418 00:20:30,765 --> 00:20:32,765 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] are bad guys. They do a lot they 419 00:20:32,765 --> 00:20:35,645 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] did a lot of bad stuff. But what 420 00:20:35,645 --> 00:20:38,445 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] I hadn't really fully appreciated until I worked 421 00:20:38,445 --> 00:20:42,125 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] on this book was how much humanity there 422 00:20:42,125 --> 00:20:45,149 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] really is there. I mean, for people who 423 00:20:45,149 --> 00:20:48,669 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] grew up in certain Brooklyn neighborhoods at that 424 00:20:48,669 --> 00:20:51,330 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] time, the mafia was like a shadow government. 425 00:20:51,389 --> 00:20:54,590 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] They were the they were the mobsters were 426 00:20:54,590 --> 00:20:56,669 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] the, you know, the big shots in in 427 00:20:56,669 --> 00:21:00,725 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] in the neighborhood. And, these young men would 428 00:21:00,725 --> 00:21:04,005 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] be recruited into the mafia because they envied 429 00:21:04,005 --> 00:21:06,725 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] the they envied the the glamour and the 430 00:21:06,725 --> 00:21:09,365 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] prestige and the money. And then once they 431 00:21:09,365 --> 00:21:11,365 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] were in it, they were trapped. I mean, 432 00:21:11,365 --> 00:21:13,845 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] really, nobody gets out once they're in the 433 00:21:13,845 --> 00:21:17,890 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] mafia. And, in many cases, they were not, 434 00:21:18,270 --> 00:21:21,310 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] you know, natively not bad people, but they 435 00:21:21,310 --> 00:21:23,170 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] got caught up in a bad business. 436 00:21:23,710 --> 00:21:26,830 [Adam] You've been praised for your ability to weave 437 00:21:26,830 --> 00:21:29,985 [Adam] investigative reporting with human storytelling. It's one of 438 00:21:29,985 --> 00:21:31,985 [Adam] my favorite aspects as I've learned more about 439 00:21:31,985 --> 00:21:34,865 [Adam] you. How do you balance the cold hard 440 00:21:34,865 --> 00:21:38,565 [Adam] facts with the emotional undercurrents of a story 441 00:21:38,785 --> 00:21:40,085 [Adam] specifically like this? 442 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:42,560 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] Well, what a good question. I'll say a 443 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,560 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] couple of things. One is I really did 444 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,080 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] not wanna write history with a capital h. 445 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,080 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] I didn't wanna write a Wikipedia entry. I 446 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:54,000 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] wanted to write something that was vivid and 447 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:58,825 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] truthful and real, you know, all real, but 448 00:21:58,825 --> 00:22:01,625 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] would also feel like a movie, would feel 449 00:22:01,625 --> 00:22:04,925 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] like a like a like a Netflix series. 450 00:22:06,265 --> 00:22:08,985 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] You know, it's a very violent it's a 451 00:22:08,985 --> 00:22:13,440 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] very violent story, Adam. It's it's grisly. I, 452 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,520 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] you know, I don't like violence. I don't 453 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,520 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] like I'd, squeamish about violence when I see 454 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,520 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] it on the screen. But on the pages 455 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,080 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] of the book, it doesn't bother me. And, 456 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:25,680 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] in fact, if you write a book like 457 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,975 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] this, I think you you have to be 458 00:22:27,975 --> 00:22:32,315 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] aware that you're competing for the reader's attention 459 00:22:32,455 --> 00:22:36,375 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] with TikTok or Netflix. And so I kinda 460 00:22:36,375 --> 00:22:39,495 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] felt I've kinda felt like the violent episodes 461 00:22:39,495 --> 00:22:42,029 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] in the book were were an asset because 462 00:22:42,029 --> 00:22:44,510 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] it helped me to it helped me to 463 00:22:44,510 --> 00:22:47,950 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] keep, keep the story moving along and and 464 00:22:47,950 --> 00:22:49,730 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] hopefully, gripping. 465 00:22:50,029 --> 00:22:52,750 [Adam] And as you wrote about these victims of 466 00:22:52,750 --> 00:22:55,885 [Adam] these crimes, did you find yourself carrying any 467 00:22:55,885 --> 00:22:58,605 [Adam] of their stories with you long after the 468 00:22:58,605 --> 00:23:01,105 [Adam] book was done? Were there ones that maybe 469 00:23:01,165 --> 00:23:02,065 [Adam] stuck with you? 470 00:23:02,765 --> 00:23:05,345 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] Yeah. I mean, the main the main hero 471 00:23:05,405 --> 00:23:08,720 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] of this story is the detective Tommy Dades, 472 00:23:09,340 --> 00:23:12,940 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] who was the one who stumbled on some 473 00:23:12,940 --> 00:23:15,179 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] evidence just as he was getting set to 474 00:23:15,179 --> 00:23:19,820 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] retire, and he revived a an investigation into 475 00:23:19,820 --> 00:23:22,475 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] these corrupt cops that had lain dormant and 476 00:23:22,475 --> 00:23:26,174 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] been abandoned by federal prosecutors and the FBI. 477 00:23:26,635 --> 00:23:30,475 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] He really almost single handedly revived this case. 478 00:23:30,475 --> 00:23:32,715 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] Tommy and I have spent God knows how 479 00:23:32,715 --> 00:23:35,460 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] many hours on the phone and visiting each 480 00:23:35,460 --> 00:23:39,720 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] other, and we've become, very, very close friends. 481 00:23:39,940 --> 00:23:42,260 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] And to get to know him and the 482 00:23:42,260 --> 00:23:44,580 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] story of his life, which I describe in 483 00:23:44,580 --> 00:23:47,780 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] the book, is just unbelievable. The things that 484 00:23:47,780 --> 00:23:50,085 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] he went through in the course of being 485 00:23:50,085 --> 00:23:53,765 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] a detective in Brooklyn in the seventies, eighties, 486 00:23:53,765 --> 00:23:58,025 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] and nineties. I mean, just the the bravery 487 00:23:58,245 --> 00:24:04,550 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] and and the trauma, and his dedication to 488 00:24:04,550 --> 00:24:05,610 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] getting it right. 489 00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:08,390 [Adam] You know, you've written about some of the 490 00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:13,350 [Adam] darkest corners of human behavior. Does driving does 491 00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:15,835 [Adam] driving into these stories ever make you lose 492 00:24:15,835 --> 00:24:18,154 [Adam] faith in humanity, or does it even deepen 493 00:24:18,154 --> 00:24:21,375 [Adam] your appreciation for resilience, for justice? 494 00:24:22,715 --> 00:24:24,554 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] Yeah. I think the latter. I think the 495 00:24:24,554 --> 00:24:27,034 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] more more more the latter, Adam, I think 496 00:24:27,034 --> 00:24:30,760 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] it's it's, you know, these cops appear to 497 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,400 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] have gotten away with with all of this. 498 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,760 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] They were doing this, work for the mob 499 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,760 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] for more than a decade, and they had 500 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,635 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] been involved in a dozen at least a 501 00:24:41,635 --> 00:24:44,855 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] dozen murders. And they retired. They took their 502 00:24:45,075 --> 00:24:47,795 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] police pensions and moved to a subdivision on 503 00:24:47,795 --> 00:24:50,755 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] the outskirts of Las Vegas. Oddly enough, they 504 00:24:50,755 --> 00:24:53,600 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] lived across the street from each other. And 505 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,940 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] this was all in the rearview mirror. And, 506 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:01,200 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] Louis Eppolito, launched a career as a as 507 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:02,960 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] he wanted to have a Hollywood career. He 508 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,440 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] was in he had minor parts in a 509 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,205 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] dozen movies, and it looked like this everything 510 00:25:08,264 --> 00:25:09,784 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] was good for them. This was they were 511 00:25:09,784 --> 00:25:12,125 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] gonna get away from this all of this. 512 00:25:12,184 --> 00:25:15,164 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] And just due to the dedication of a 513 00:25:15,625 --> 00:25:22,125 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] handful of DEA agents, FBI agents, Tommy Dade's 514 00:25:23,309 --> 00:25:27,630 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] investigators in the Brooklyn DA's office, they they 515 00:25:27,630 --> 00:25:30,370 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] were they were brought to justice. They were, 516 00:25:31,309 --> 00:25:34,030 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] they were tried and convicted and went to 517 00:25:34,030 --> 00:25:34,530 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] jail. 518 00:25:34,830 --> 00:25:37,335 [Adam] You know, someone who's explored, really, crime and 519 00:25:37,335 --> 00:25:39,815 [Adam] betrayal to such depth, do you think there's 520 00:25:39,815 --> 00:25:43,035 [Adam] a a point where maybe accountability and redemption 521 00:25:43,095 --> 00:25:45,735 [Adam] that that they intersect, or are some acts 522 00:25:45,735 --> 00:25:46,554 [Adam] just unforgivable? 523 00:25:47,655 --> 00:25:52,200 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] What what a question. I mean, I think 524 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,960 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] some acts are are, you know, are beyond 525 00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:02,539 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] redemption. For example, Stephen Caracappa and Louis Apollito, 526 00:26:02,919 --> 00:26:06,195 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] as we've said, passed along a lot of 527 00:26:06,195 --> 00:26:10,435 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] sensitive police information to the Lucchese crime family. 528 00:26:10,435 --> 00:26:14,275 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] They weren't always right. And they passed along 529 00:26:14,275 --> 00:26:17,175 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] information about a young man named Nicky Guido 530 00:26:17,809 --> 00:26:22,070 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] that the Lucchese underboss was looking for. And, 531 00:26:23,730 --> 00:26:26,450 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] Nicky Guido had been involved in a botched 532 00:26:26,450 --> 00:26:30,370 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] assassination attempt as an act of revenge. The 533 00:26:30,370 --> 00:26:33,465 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] Lucchese's intended to kill him. So they got 534 00:26:33,465 --> 00:26:36,765 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] the information about Nikiquito from Eppolito and Caracapa, 535 00:26:37,385 --> 00:26:40,825 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] and they shot Nikiquito on Christmas day outside 536 00:26:40,825 --> 00:26:44,825 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] of his family home in in, Brooklyn. And 537 00:26:44,825 --> 00:26:46,580 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] it turned out they had the wrong Nicky 538 00:26:46,580 --> 00:26:50,740 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] Guido. Same name, but wrong guy. The person 539 00:26:50,740 --> 00:26:53,860 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] they killed was a twenty six year old 540 00:26:53,860 --> 00:26:57,000 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] young man, a good guy by all accounts 541 00:26:57,140 --> 00:27:00,105 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] who went bowling with his friends. He played 542 00:27:00,105 --> 00:27:02,605 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] on a softball team. He aspired to be 543 00:27:02,825 --> 00:27:05,225 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] a fireman. And that family was shattered by 544 00:27:05,225 --> 00:27:07,725 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] this as you can as you can imagine. 545 00:27:08,264 --> 00:27:13,429 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] The family never never recovered. And just, you 546 00:27:13,429 --> 00:27:15,529 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] know, it's an un unforgivable act. 547 00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:19,289 [Adam] Yeah. Wow. Did you ever explore other families, 548 00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:22,230 [Adam] other cities' families? I had a a small 549 00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:25,509 [Adam] kind of familial moment where I crossed paths 550 00:27:25,509 --> 00:27:28,295 [Adam] with Peter Milano of, you know this is 551 00:27:28,295 --> 00:27:29,735 [Adam] years ago when I was in my twenties 552 00:27:29,735 --> 00:27:31,975 [Adam] and, you know, from familial ties and spent 553 00:27:31,975 --> 00:27:33,895 [Adam] a couple afternoons with them and just listened 554 00:27:33,895 --> 00:27:36,055 [Adam] to his stories and were, like, I'm thinking 555 00:27:36,055 --> 00:27:37,495 [Adam] in my head, like because no one ever 556 00:27:37,495 --> 00:27:39,415 [Adam] says, oh, family, I'm not it's but you're 557 00:27:39,415 --> 00:27:41,490 [Adam] listening to all these stories of enterprise and 558 00:27:41,490 --> 00:27:43,250 [Adam] and just how sweet you're walking the family, 559 00:27:43,250 --> 00:27:45,330 [Adam] everyone around the family, and everyone's loving each 560 00:27:45,330 --> 00:27:47,170 [Adam] other. It was just I'm like, this is 561 00:27:47,170 --> 00:27:49,010 [Adam] way this is incredible. This what is going 562 00:27:49,010 --> 00:27:51,010 [Adam] on? And that romanticism, and I was feeling 563 00:27:51,010 --> 00:27:52,530 [Adam] it. I was singing around. And he and 564 00:27:52,530 --> 00:27:54,770 [Adam] his family were just so nice. And did 565 00:27:54,770 --> 00:27:57,135 [Adam] you ever get into some more of the 566 00:27:57,135 --> 00:27:59,615 [Adam] organized crime families and and and look into 567 00:27:59,615 --> 00:28:00,275 [Adam] all of those? 568 00:28:00,575 --> 00:28:02,335 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] Well, not in not in this book. In 569 00:28:02,335 --> 00:28:04,335 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] my previous book, which is called The Brotherhood 570 00:28:04,335 --> 00:28:08,115 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] Betrayed, I do describe how the mob originally 571 00:28:08,565 --> 00:28:12,050 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] I I will say organized crime became organized 572 00:28:12,190 --> 00:28:14,750 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] in the nineteen thirties. And and it was 573 00:28:14,750 --> 00:28:19,810 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] very hierarchical and structured and played by very 574 00:28:19,950 --> 00:28:24,495 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] specific rules. And the way Lucky Luciano and 575 00:28:24,495 --> 00:28:28,895 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] other famous, gangsters, Bugsy Siegel, etcetera, set it 576 00:28:28,895 --> 00:28:31,215 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] up back in the day was that the 577 00:28:31,215 --> 00:28:33,855 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] headquarters, the sort of board of directors was 578 00:28:33,855 --> 00:28:35,715 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] in New York City, but then there were 579 00:28:35,935 --> 00:28:40,150 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] franchises in cities all across the country. You 580 00:28:40,150 --> 00:28:45,030 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] know, Chicago, Saint Louis, Miami, Los Angeles, and 581 00:28:45,030 --> 00:28:48,710 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] they acted almost like like McDonald's. You know, 582 00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:53,350 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] they acted like, these little these little, spin 583 00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:56,855 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] offs, that were kinda semi autonomous, but they 584 00:28:56,855 --> 00:28:59,335 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] had to report to the big bosses back 585 00:28:59,335 --> 00:29:01,975 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] in New York. So they were you know, 586 00:29:01,975 --> 00:29:06,294 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] historically, they were everywhere, but they reported back 587 00:29:06,294 --> 00:29:08,054 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] to the board of directors in New York. 588 00:29:08,054 --> 00:29:10,910 [Adam] And they seem to die differently or or 589 00:29:10,910 --> 00:29:13,150 [Adam] kind of come out of influence or I 590 00:29:13,150 --> 00:29:14,690 [Adam] don't even know what the right word is. 591 00:29:14,750 --> 00:29:16,430 [Adam] But I mean, like, you know, Cleveland didn't 592 00:29:16,430 --> 00:29:18,110 [Adam] have these ties to LA. And then I 593 00:29:18,110 --> 00:29:20,270 [Adam] remember reading this article in the Las Vegas 594 00:29:20,270 --> 00:29:22,635 [Adam] Review Journal years and years back, like, well, 595 00:29:22,635 --> 00:29:24,315 [Adam] the last person in the LA crime family 596 00:29:24,315 --> 00:29:25,675 [Adam] turned the lights out. I mean, so it 597 00:29:25,675 --> 00:29:27,515 [Adam] it seemed like these certain pieces, they did, 598 00:29:27,515 --> 00:29:29,055 [Adam] like, fizzle, didn't they? 599 00:29:29,275 --> 00:29:31,435 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] Yeah. I mean, they each had their they 600 00:29:31,435 --> 00:29:33,915 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] each had their own identity and their kind 601 00:29:33,915 --> 00:29:36,510 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] of their own stories and their own arcs. 602 00:29:37,870 --> 00:29:39,470 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] You know, I mean, like I said, the 603 00:29:39,470 --> 00:29:41,630 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] one the one the one thing that united 604 00:29:41,630 --> 00:29:42,910 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] them was that they were part of the 605 00:29:42,910 --> 00:29:47,390 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] same same organization. And I'll tell you one 606 00:29:47,390 --> 00:29:49,804 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] very quick story. When they wanted to assassinate 607 00:29:50,024 --> 00:29:52,264 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] somebody, they didn't they tended not to do 608 00:29:52,264 --> 00:29:54,825 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] it themselves. They would call New York, and 609 00:29:54,825 --> 00:29:57,784 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] New York would send somebody out. It was 610 00:29:57,784 --> 00:30:01,465 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] like a business trip. The the hitman from 611 00:30:01,465 --> 00:30:03,900 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] New York would come out and pack an 612 00:30:03,900 --> 00:30:06,620 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] overnight bag that contained a gun and a 613 00:30:06,620 --> 00:30:09,740 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] rope. And they would fly in, and they 614 00:30:09,740 --> 00:30:11,980 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] would do their job, and then, you know, 615 00:30:11,980 --> 00:30:13,980 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] fly out the next morning. And it was 616 00:30:13,980 --> 00:30:16,560 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] very you know, it was it was businesslike. 617 00:30:16,860 --> 00:30:18,515 [Adam] Wow. Well, I can't tell you how much 618 00:30:18,515 --> 00:30:21,315 [Adam] I enjoyed your time. Awesome book. And, we 619 00:30:21,315 --> 00:30:22,515 [Adam] got a link in the show notes for 620 00:30:22,515 --> 00:30:24,434 [Adam] the audience and more. So thank you so 621 00:30:24,434 --> 00:30:26,375 [Adam] much for being Up and Atom, Michael. 622 00:30:26,595 --> 00:30:28,835 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] Thank you, Adam. I really I really appreciate 623 00:30:28,835 --> 00:30:29,495 [Michael Cannell (Guest)] your interest. 624 00:30:40,940 --> 00:30:43,740 [Adam] Good shad. The conversation really hits deeper than 625 00:30:43,740 --> 00:30:46,135 [Adam] just a scandal per se. Blood of the 626 00:30:46,135 --> 00:30:47,975 [Adam] badge isn't just about dirty cops. It's about 627 00:30:47,975 --> 00:30:51,355 [Adam] what happens when the systems we trust start 628 00:30:51,575 --> 00:30:54,055 [Adam] literally working against us. Thanks again to Michael 629 00:30:54,055 --> 00:30:55,655 [Adam] for shining a light on a story that's 630 00:30:55,655 --> 00:30:58,555 [Adam] just as relevant now as it was then. 631 00:30:58,615 --> 00:31:00,420 [Adam] Links in the show notes. Don't miss it. 632 00:31:00,500 --> 00:31:02,820 [Adam] Check out that book. Alright. Before we bounce 633 00:31:02,820 --> 00:31:04,840 [Adam] out of here, get you into your Monday, 634 00:31:04,900 --> 00:31:06,660 [Adam] and tell you about some more winning, let 635 00:31:06,660 --> 00:31:08,580 [Adam] me remind you about the fifteenth annual Slow 636 00:31:08,580 --> 00:31:11,880 [Adam] Comedy Festival. February twenty seventh through March second, 637 00:31:12,020 --> 00:31:15,615 [Adam] four days of nonstop laughs. 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