Passing way too early from three separate
Wi-Fi connections.
It's PT Breakfast Club with Tony Meritato,
Dave Kittle, and Jimmy McKay.
Hot enough for you?
I mean,
what are you doing this weekend is easily
the most asked question in health care to
a patient.
What'd you do about that heat or how's
the heat treating you?
That's got to be number two,
especially in July, right?
That's the cliche.
It's the cliche.
It's the cliche days.
you know what i love i don't know
if we talked about it already i love
all the videos on social media from
europeans coming here who are like going
crazy about how amazing this country is
how amazing the food is how amazing the
people are it's such a breath of fresh
air and then of course like everything is
air conditioned and everything is you know
You do, absolutely.
As much as I try to produce more
than I consume on social media,
the negativity is outrageous.
It's so nice to see the positivity.
So funny you mention that.
I was driving this morning and I work
mostly from home, then travel.
The funny part was when I was in
radio, I was in the car a lot,
which was notoriously one of the places
you consume radio.
So while I was ever in the car
when I was in radio,
I always made it a point to have
the radio on and listen to things that
were not just ours.
And it does put you in that similar
mindset of your consumer.
People don't...
We don't notice it because we're blind to
it,
how wide the aisles are at a grocery
store or how big a Buc-ee's is.
Somebody had a comment like,
it's as big as our parliament.
There is a gas station in America as
large as our Capitol building.
And we drive past and we go, oh,
yeah, that's pretty big.
The third time you drive past it,
like Seth Godin would say,
it's Purple Cow.
But you don't notice it anymore.
Yeah.
Well, do you know the delicacy?
You've heard this then if you're paying
attention to the World Cup.
The delicacy that people are – even the
TSA, Transportation Safety Administration,
is giving heads up.
I'm sure you know this one.
Let's see if Dave knows.
Do you know the delicacy that Europeans
are –
infatuated with to the point where they're
trying to take it home in their carry-ons
but because it's our liquid our our crappy
food our horrible it's a condiment ranch
dressing baby i did i did hear that
i did there were crazy over ranch they
they're surprised europeans you're not
missing anything you're not missing
anything with the ranch
Oh, nowadays.
I don't know, man.
The funny part is it was Italians.
And I'm like,
do you know what I don't want to
see in Italy on the menu?
Ranch.
I like that here.
I don't want to see that on the
menu in Italy.
I love pizza with ranch.
Dipping pizza in ranch.
Oh, my Lord.
I was more of a,
if it's two o'clock in the morning,
you dip the pizza in blue cheese.
That was the thing I didn't see coming
that I would enjoy.
Yeah.
All right.
Let's get into it.
You shared an ad.
I've got it.
I can bring it up on screen.
You shared the one yesterday and you were
saying you had some feelings about it.
Dave,
why don't you describe the ad while I
work my magic to get it up on
screen here?
Yeah, this was on Instagram.
I think it was it was like one
of those story ads.
Like if you're looking at stories and they
throw an ad in front of you.
So it was not in the news feed.
And you can see it's kind of like
the full the full size of the phone.
So this was like a like a story
ad.
a story ad.
And again,
not to pick on this physical therapist.
I think he's in the area in the
New York city area of redefined physical
therapy, not a big deal,
but I just looked at this and I
sent it to you guys.
I do.
This is what we do.
I don't know if the audience,
I think the audience knows by now,
like we just screenshot stuff or we'll
send links to each other.
And we're kind of like,
Like this is awesome or this is horrible
or like, yeah,
what do you guys think or whatever?
So I sent this to you guys and
to me, it just,
it just looks or feels like cheap.
I don't know if it's the, the gold,
the gold, uh, circle banner with like the,
almost like the ribbon or the, or the,
the, yeah, like the sticker.
It just looks, it looks cheap.
It looks like it was made probably on
chat GPT or Gemini or Claude or something.
And, um, yeah,
I don't know.
There's nothing wrong with you.
You should absolutely use those tools to
get in front of your ideal patient.
And maybe this resonates with their ideal
patient.
Maybe this ad is crushing it.
In the coming weeks and months,
especially, you know,
let's say in the next six to twelve
months, if I keep seeing this ad,
then I will send it to you guys
again and say, hey, obviously,
obviously I was wrong.
Obviously,
this ad is working because this physical
therapy practice is
still running it and you're only going to
keep running ads for multiple weeks or
months if it's crushing or if it's doing
well my initial response was this looks
kind of tacky or something i don't know
what do you guys think tony what's your
what's your initial gut reaction here with
this thing
Yeah, I mean,
you got to talk to the person who
posted it.
What is their idea behind it?
What's the intent behind it?
Free vouchers is just weird anyway.
I've always said I could fly a flag
like the two crazies who were on the
Empire State Building.
Yeah.
And I could say free physical therapy for
a month and it wouldn't make any
difference.
Nobody cares about free physical therapy,
at least not in my world.
It's not going to be like Chick-fil-A can
give you a free sandwich and the line
is out the door around the block.
Nobody is going to line up for free
physical therapy.
There's no value in that.
Yeah.
For me,
I would need to know the goals.
But now that we're looking at this ad
together,
there's like four things that's going on
here.
There's too much.
I don't know where my eye is supposed
to go.
Am I supposed to go to the image?
Then there's a bulleted list.
Then there's a free voucher thing.
Then there's a claim your spot.
I get what you're trying to do with
scarcity.
Fifty is not the number.
If you're trying to do scarcity, I'm like,
I'll take my time.
Three, five, seven.
Ironically, as dumb as it sounds,
I read stuff like this and they say
odd numbers actually perform better for
some stupid reason.
But fifty ain't it.
Because if you've got fifty,
I'll come back in a week.
Let me know what you've got.
But they're trying something.
They are trying something.
Unfortunately,
I think in this particular ad,
they're trying seven things at once.
Avoid surgery and get back to an active
life.
That should have been it.
But when you're sitting there,
I get when you've got Canva and it'll
just let me keep adding things.
Now, I will give them this thing,
although this doesn't look it.
Have you heard about
the issue with the company rei and they
didn't run an ad but meta used ai
and ran an ad for them i think
this is meta's way of pushing out like
well we'll have rei do it and then
we can sell it to the redefined physical
therapies the problem was they took
content from rei's page
used an ai ad generator generated it but
rei got crap because they're all about
nature and of course what's the opposite
of nature data centers right so rei wants
to be as clean i bet you they're
a company that comes out and says we
only use real images taken by real
photography but here's the image can you
spot the problem with the rei ad i
don't know if you guys are cycling experts
The pedals?
Oh, the handlebars.
The handlebars behind the seat.
Yes, look, there's two handles.
Which way are you supposed to ride that
bike?
The AI put handlebars.
It's a mountain bike.
So the mountain bike is going from my
right to my left if you watch the
screen.
But the AI put handlebars.
It didn't know what to do.
It put another set of handlebars going the
wrong way,
which would be an uncomfortable bike seat.
So I was going to give them this
organization, the PT organization,
the benefit of the doubt.
But that's what happens when you give all
creative control and there's no checks.
Larry Benz has an episode of his podcast,
The Operator.
I helped produce it.
I'm on it.
He had a great line for his episode
that comes...
The article came out yesterday.
His podcast will drop today.
And he said...
autopilot flies the plane.
If there's an altitude change,
it does that.
It does some turns,
but human beings take off and land.
And when the red light goes off,
autopilot says, grab the wheel again.
Now you're in charge.
So I think it's okay to have AI
do some of these things,
but you should have someone look at it
and go,
does this pass the smell test?
Does this feel good to you?
Does this, like the first thing we said,
does this accomplish the goal we set out
to accomplish?
So A for music doing something,
I don't know, not an A,
C plus for doing something or a C,
I don't know, what's it?
Maybe a B or C, yeah.
I was going to say,
so I like the,
I do like the headline.
I'm fine with the yellow accent on active
life.
I don't know about get a free again.
That's another thing.
Like we have, when our,
when I have new therapists, by the way,
like get ramped up,
we'll reach back out to like previous
clients.
And as goodwill we'll announce like over
text or email to our previous clients,
like, Hey, we have Dr. Andrew.
Hey, we have Dr. Ethan now to get,
you know,
basically it's like to get them busy.
We'll offer previous clients a
complimentary visit.
But I used to say free,
I used to say the word free,
you know, words matter.
Words are important.
So we used to say, you know,
free visit with Andrew,
free visit with Dr.
Ethan and it expires next Friday.
Now it's like instead of two weeks,
it's like one week.
Now, all of a sudden,
more people grab it.
More people do it because we're big,
dumb animals.
The aesthetic real quick of the ad.
Another thing that I think distracts is
that there's two different images.
Right.
I think it's probably it's probably best
to do one image per ad.
And again,
I could be wrong,
but with doing these ads,
and by the way,
I'm maybe in the future,
in the near future,
getting back into some meta ads to test,
but you have to have like a ton
of creative.
Like every time you run an ad,
there's gotta be like dozens of
variations.
And then you just like,
you pick the winner,
you see which one's winning,
and then you just double down on that.
Then you make more new versions that
models closer to the ones that already
were winning.
And then you continue to refine it and
refine it.
This with two images is distracting,
right?
It's like one headline, top to bottom,
my eyes go headline, sub headline.
Now it's like two images.
So it's like,
do I look left or right?
Then like you said, Jimmy,
I got the bulleted list on the left.
I got the the fifty free voucher sticker
and claim your spot, you know,
call to action in like yellow orangish.
It's just a lot going on.
So again,
we could see if I keep getting hit
with this ad in a month or two,
I'll share it with you guys again.
I'll be like, hey, we're still running it.
I recorded radio versions of this that
just sounded like I'm talking about one
thing, then another, then another.
You know what we call this in radio?
We call this ten pounds of shit in
a five pound bag.
It just doesn't fit.
It ain't accomplishing the goal.
It looks mushy.
It's busting out the sides.
What would you have done with this?
And this is, what was the story?
This came out late.
So this was people climbed, what?
Yeah,
a couple climbed to the very extreme tip
of the Empire State Building,
which is insane.
That's insane.
I don't know if you saw this,
but yesterday on Instagram,
in the evening,
there was a post from Netflix that was,
I think this couple,
Oh, yeah.
And they did a documentary then.
And I think that there might be something
coming out with them again.
And I think this proposal media, I think,
is a media stunt probably backed by
Netflix.
I don't know.
I don't know for sure.
Maybe it'll come out this week or today
or something.
But that's my hunch.
And, you know, then I don't know.
Well,
the city of New York and Netflix and
Netflix will just pay a fine.
You guys know me and you might roll
your eyes,
but of course I see something and then
I'm like, oh,
I have a story for that.
So AAA baseball in Scranton,
the local team became the AAA Yankees.
And when that happened,
they changed from the Phillies to the AAA
affiliate Yankees in the Scranton.
We couldn't get in the stadium the first
game because our media competitors had
media rights.
And the lead singer of Breaking Benjamin,
which is a band we played the crap
out of,
was going to sing the national anthem.
We could not be there.
So, of course, Jimmy goes,
I'm going to figure out a way to
do that.
The stadium was sort of built in a
valley.
And in left field was a mall and
an Italian restaurant.
I took the vinyl from one of our
billboards.
Like when they take it down,
they ask if you want it or shred
it.
I go, oh, I want that.
And it just had a young woman in
a tank top that said,
I'm your next ex-girlfriend because the
radio station was ninety seven nine X.
And when they said and the home of
the brave.
We unfurled our banner in left field so
the entire stadium could see it,
but we weren't on the field.
So this is hijacking someone else's
visibility.
What do you think it would cost to
get a logo on the top of the
NFL stadium?
incalculable you'll never get that money
back but it's a step forward it doesn't
have to be a billion dollars ours was
cute for a moment i got yelled at
by it because of course you know the
stadium was like you can't do that i'm
like oh it's not your rocks i can
climb on rock but of course i was
never going to do the same gag again
anyway it was the point but i think
you're right tony like you could do
whatever you want and for what we provide
it's is it because it's too abstract
I'm thinking, I don't know.
Tony, I don't know if you saw,
but at least the people that I follow
on Instagram in the New York City area,
people started to hijack that stunt and
have their own stuff AI on a banner.
And it was like, you know,
weight loss opportunity in new york city
or whatever or you know personal training
we're the best whatever and like it's the
two it's the two the russian the russian
couple that went up to the top of
the empire state building that got
arrested for and they you know they just
changed the world
And they just changed the word.
So like, but that was multiple people.
And it's so funny.
Like,
I know we've all seen this where like
something happens and then like people
pile on and do like an AI version
for themselves for like self-promotion.
I'm totally fine with self-promotion.
But Tony,
you didn't see any of that on your
newsfeed yesterday afternoon or evening?
Absolutely.
I saw that.
I'm going to share an image.
um i don't know this meme this meme
yeah this meme is just filling my feed
the wmba girl who's pointing at the other
girl who says don't point at me um
there are so many like hilarious takes on
it like that girl in the physical therapy
clinic pointing and then the therapist
pointing back and
I've been seeing this trend on Instagram
where it's like gangster, gangsta,
and they're CrossFit gyms.
And the person will walk by the other
gym and they'll pull up their shirt and
they show a dumbbell, you know,
like a gun.
And there are just so many of these
things that, yeah, totally.
Why is it not the massage gun?
Yeah, but it's the yes and.
It's the ultimate,
what can I take out of this?
And I don't have to re-explain the rules.
This is why when I used to do
radio bar events,
I didn't do complicated games.
I did musical chairs,
but with adults and drunk people.
Because I didn't need to explain anything.
It was simple and you already understood
the gag.
And that's why a play on these is
pretty brilliant.
And I mean, simple, quick, in and out.
I've got a friend, Kay,
who runs the Instagram page,
DPTs with Anxiety.
In the kitchen.
that's the whole strategy that's the whole
strategy she'll see this and then she does
nine versions of it puts it out and
everyone's like oh that's this is my
favorite oh i like how you spun that
it's yes and when something popped
like the Empire State Building thing,
you knew what our entire radio station was
talking about, mocking, loving, hating.
There's no mayonnaise.
It's always ranch dressing, baby.
It's got to be one way or the
other.
No mayonnaise.
It's got to be a little spice.
We were either going to love it and
own it,
or we were going to trash it and
tear it down.
And then, forty-eight hours later,
we were gone with it.
Just so the viewers and Dave knows we're
wrapping today's episode at nine.
So we have about eleven more minutes.
Yeah.
But the question is,
so now now we go back to reality.
Now we say, OK,
does this turn into money?
Does this put dollars in our pocket?
Is this just for, you know,
vanity metrics?
I will say, though,
a couple of weeks or a week or
two ago,
we shared the Home Depot do it yourself
total knee replacement image that I
generated.
I cannot believe how fast you brought that
up.
Boom.
So,
but that image put four hundred dollars in
my bank account,
like just from Instagram bonus,
which I didn't even realize it was a
thing.
Yeah.
On Instagram,
that image has generated about four
hundred dollars in bonus income for me.
um i was on uh paypal i went
into paypal this morning because someone
was sending me a payment and i've got
all of these thirty dollar facebook
payments and i don't even know what
they're from like facebook is paying me
thirty dollars every two weeks i gotta
figure out why why i'm making that money
i found so i found two times in
a nickel yesterday so that's it's like the
same thing tony's got money being paypal
to him he doesn't know where it's coming
from
But yeah, we need to understand, like,
I don't want to put the effort into
making a funny meme with the girl pointing
and me pointing back.
Donald Trump pointing at the basketball
player and her pointing back is freaking
hilarious.
I don't want to put time into that
because I don't know if it's going to
make me money.
Unless you can directly draw a line to
what you're doing.
Like this is,
this is where like Judy and Judy's
pancakes come in.
She takes a video and whatever it is,
she just figures out where do we jam
Judy?
Judy is the marketing strategy.
And if you don't know who we're talking
about,
just look up Judy and pancakes and look
at their Instagram account.
And she has said people.
Now she's in, I can't,
it begins with a G random ass, Illinois,
and she sells pancakes, but,
she's a tourist attraction now and she's
the thing.
And because the kids want to do it.
And in your brain, you're like, all right,
well, if we're anywhere close,
the kids get a t-shirt,
but now whatever Judy paid for real
estate,
she didn't do it in downtown Chicago.
She did it in a random ass spot,
but she went to the people with those
things and she understood it.
Tony needs it.
I'm a tick.
I'm a tick tock famous shirt for sure.
Tony needs this thing.
Concierge pain relief is back on tick
tock.
Speaking of TikTok, guys,
I have been down the rabbit hole of
how much money regular people,
forty year olds, fifty year olds,
sixty year olds are making as TikTok shop
affiliates.
Yeah, it is absurd.
And so this morning before we got on,
because I was going to try and bring
some numbers,
but I didn't have them ready yet.
I was looking at like,
what are the products?
What could I what could I promote that
I already use in my clinic?
I think the biggest one that none of
us are taking advantage of is BioFreeze.
Like Dave,
you seem like somebody who would be using
something like that.
I never use it in the clinic,
but I should, I could.
I think it's got commercial appeal.
It's got the history behind it.
It's been around forever.
You know,
the consumer wasn't able to buy BioFreeze
directly from the company.
They had to go through the healthcare
provider.
But now I think that's something that
literally could put six figures in your
bank account because the general appeal
and accessibility for a product like that,
if you made one viral video that hit
several million views,
which is totally doable for any of us.
I'm trying to better understand how
TikTok,
I've got like two hundred dollars in my
TikTok affiliate account that I've earned.
But I think this is a really ideal
opportunity for people like us.
For someone thinking and going,
but I don't want to do the ticky-tocky,
like, just talk about it.
Yeah, it wouldn't be any of that.
No dances, no gimmicks.
Here's how Rory Sutherland, I think,
would explain it.
He would say all TikTok did was two
things.
they took the distance between someone
seeing something and giggling about
something or being interested in something
and owning that.
And they took that distance down to
essentially as close to zero as possible.
And they aligned the person who has
credibility or an audience or the ability
to build an audience.
And they put them on the same team
as the Biofreeze or the Hyper Ice Gun.
And they said,
if you do this thing this much and
it gets this much,
we'll give you a cut.
The reach is infinity.
Like the reach is potentially,
it could be infinity.
So simple, but not easy.
And Ben's already pilot bio,
bio mildly cold is a cheaper alternative.
I don't know if that's a,
is that a dad joke or is that
there actually something called bio?
That'd be a smart, like six minute abs.
Why not do five minute abs?
Dave,
you brought up or you shared an ad
that you share or that you created or
I should say a post on LinkedIn.
I wanted to ask you about it because
I wanted to see if it was an
error and I'll bring it up on screen
here.
So you had the ad and I'll zoom
in a little bit.
Physical therapists in New York City paid
more for treating less.
Great hook because that doesn't make
sense.
I get paid more.
That's why I have to keep reading.
How is that possible?
He says.
And then you go on to a set.
You're using hard numbers,
which nobody does,
which is the way to do it.
How is it possible to earn a buck
twenty six to one hundred and seventy K,
but only treating four to six patients a
day?
Details below.
What's up with the orange square?
I stopped.
It got me.
So I want to know,
where'd you come up with this?
I was like, is it not loading?
Where's the is my phone broken?
What happened?
This is partly why I did this,
so that we can talk about it.
Neither of you have ever seen this before?
No.
I don't think so, no.
You probably have seen it before because
this was what,
do you remember the fire festival?
The guy that eventually got, uh,
in trouble, the original promoter,
I forget the guy's name.
Uh, they were paying all of the big,
like all the celebrities and the models
and the people that were going to be
Kardashian.
They were all posting.
The Orange Square.
This was on Instagram mostly years ago
with the Fyre Festival.
And it was meant to be exactly what
it did to Jimmy,
which is it's a pattern interrupt.
It's a scroll stopper.
And I could have used a different color.
I could have maybe used our own brand
color.
I could have just done royal blue or
something.
But I went with the exact same solid
orange square image that is meant to cause
you to pause or give you intrigue or
yeah is there an error or like what
what is this like um usually it's going
to be text on the square right so
that it literally that is literally the
point of it is to be unique different
something that you will not see or haven't
seen recently in your feed and probably
won't see for a while unless other people
start copying it so
I'm surprised that you guys don't
remember,
but I know it was kind of like
a big thing.
Yeah, Scott Embry is here live.
Scott probably saw that on LinkedIn.
Scott's always on LinkedIn, I think.
And Scott agrees with Jimmy.
Great hook and got his attention for sure.
So that's the point, right?
First line, hook on purpose,
but the image is also kind of like
a visual hook.
I'm going to get really nitpicky.
The only way to make this better is...
Give it to me.
Don't put the space here.
Don't have the space here.
Make this second line here.
Here's why.
LinkedIn will truncate this and sometimes
make people see more to expand.
And I don't want that second subhead to
get cut off.
That's the only, and that's like,
that's like a point five percent.
The rest of it, I think, is fine.
What was in the comments, though?
You tried to share something and it didn't
work.
Yeah.
So then I then I was like,
my my intention was actually to add a
couple like PDFs.
Right.
So we have like a seven or something,
six or seven page FAQ,
because I want people to know a bunch
of information before we even do an intro
call.
I don't want to do an intro call
where I'm answering the same questions
every day.
So I tried to attach PDFs and then
I was like, I was like, oh crap,
I can't do it.
And I'm like, ah, whatever.
I'm just going to leave it.
And so now, now, now I'm getting,
now I'm getting DMS and emails from this
post.
Right.
Uh, asking for the FAQ document,
which I have to send them.
And then I'm also asking for the two
pager elite clinician growth opportunity,
which is like describes like the base
salary, the performance pay weekly PTO,
like that whole thing.
I thought what you were trying to do
is get people to comment to drive
attention too.
Because if more people comment,
it shows it to more people.
More people comment, snowball effect.
Overall, I think that's great.
Again, that took you five minutes,
ten minutes to think about and execute it.
If it gets you an interview that leads
to a hire,
it feels like it's a good use of
your time.
We got two minutes left.
Let's go with parting shots so we're not
late to our next gig.
What do you got for us?
Parting shots.
I want to talk about next time.
Boom ball.
So this is an up and coming competitor
for banana ball.
You know, I mean,
this is what's going to happen.
You create something amazing.
There are going to be people who make
it even better.
There are some interesting rule changes
and how it works.
Yeah.
I read about that.
They play with a live hand grenade.
One out of nine innings.
You never know which one it is.
You have to watch.
It's called boom ball.
So what's going to be the boom ball
for the physical therapy profession?
How is this going to change and grow
and adapt into something new and
different?
That's my parting shot.
Yeah.
All right.
That's a good one.
All right.
That's a good conversation.
I'll come prepared for that one.
What do you got, Dave?
Party shot.
I'll go back to that social media post.
Just trying to do things that are
different, unique.
Try to think outside the box,
whether it's posting on social media,
making videos.
We got a bunch of videos coming out
that I was telling Tony about last week
where we're having a catch in Central Park
with a real baseball and gloves and
talking about physical therapy and
healthcare in New York city and all that.
So we're just trying to continue to,
of course we've got to sprinkle in the
normal stuff,
like sprinkling videos of like treatment,
manual therapy, you know,
therapy exercise, like strength training,
that type of stuff,
but also sprinkling in like the,
what someone described to me recently,
like the, the behind the scenes, like,
you know,
walking down the street with one of my
therapists and we're just,
we're just chatting.
Right.
So, um, that, that,
that's my parting shot.
Just like,
we're continuing to do different things
and almost getting closer to the point of
Tony's stage advice, which is like,
we should be recording everything.
We should be posting everything like HEP
videos for patients, put that online with,
with their,
with their permission and therapists
talking like, um,
Like talking between patients and waiting
for a patient to show up.
Are they going to be late?
Are they going to be early?
Are they going to no-show?
Like whatever,
like all that type of stuff.
So that's my parting shot.
Can't interrupt a pattern if you don't
have a pattern.
So do the normal stuff, right?
And then every once in a while...
Shake it up.
That's why there's specials.
There's a blue face special.
Got to throw him a curveball.
Curveball.
Got to throw him a curveball.
All right, guys.
We're back next week.
And enjoy the heat.
Enjoy the heat.
Stay cool.
That's it.
We're out.
Boys, what the hell are you doing?
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YouTube, the socials,
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pretend are for CEUs.
And hey, just a reminder,
none of this was for advice.
This was for entertainment only.
Our lawyers say that counts.
Thanks, Keith.