WEBVTT 00:00:00.109 --> 00:00:02.109 You're listening to the PT Pinecast, 00:00:02.189 --> 00:00:04.230 where smart people in healthcare come to 00:00:04.251 --> 00:00:05.432 make noise. 00:00:05.472 --> 00:00:07.033 Here's your host, Jimmy McKay. 00:00:10.593 --> 00:00:10.875 All right, 00:00:10.894 --> 00:00:13.135 she started in a place most of you 00:00:13.176 --> 00:00:14.637 know well, treating patients, 00:00:14.877 --> 00:00:16.016 solving problems, 00:00:16.277 --> 00:00:19.338 and navigating the realities of clinical 00:00:19.379 --> 00:00:19.638 care. 00:00:20.178 --> 00:00:21.620 But somewhere along the way, 00:00:21.760 --> 00:00:24.402 she began asking a different question. 00:00:24.762 --> 00:00:26.682 What if the skills we use every day 00:00:26.722 --> 00:00:28.463 as physical therapists could apply... 00:00:29.384 --> 00:00:30.364 somewhere else entirely. 00:00:30.786 --> 00:00:32.466 Now that curiosity led her out of the 00:00:32.487 --> 00:00:35.049 clinic and into the world of technology, 00:00:35.390 --> 00:00:36.871 where instead of treating patients, 00:00:37.271 --> 00:00:39.814 she now manages complicated systems, 00:00:40.274 --> 00:00:41.716 teams, and products. 00:00:42.116 --> 00:00:44.460 And what she discovered might challenge 00:00:44.500 --> 00:00:47.862 you, how you think about your own career. 00:00:48.363 --> 00:00:49.924 So let's bring in Alana. 00:00:49.945 --> 00:00:50.826 Alana, welcome to the show. 00:00:51.167 --> 00:00:51.746 Hi, Jimmy. 00:00:51.767 --> 00:00:52.368 Thanks for having me. 00:00:52.784 --> 00:00:54.006 And before we hit record, you said, 00:00:54.027 --> 00:00:54.868 I don't even know if this is going 00:00:54.889 --> 00:00:55.590 to be interesting. 00:00:55.731 --> 00:00:57.713 But I feel like when we can peer 00:00:57.835 --> 00:01:00.319 into what someone else is doing, 00:01:00.478 --> 00:01:02.061 when it's a little bit or a lot 00:01:02.121 --> 00:01:02.783 different than what 00:01:03.573 --> 00:01:04.754 normal is, right? 00:01:04.853 --> 00:01:06.615 Normal or typical, I guess we should say. 00:01:07.876 --> 00:01:09.819 What we think is normal is not to 00:01:09.858 --> 00:01:10.358 other people. 00:01:10.439 --> 00:01:11.000 So I don't know. 00:01:11.561 --> 00:01:12.682 When I looked at what you were doing, 00:01:12.701 --> 00:01:13.621 it sort of jumped out at me. 00:01:14.022 --> 00:01:14.823 So let's start here. 00:01:16.004 --> 00:01:18.447 What started the thought in your mind of 00:01:18.527 --> 00:01:20.228 stepping outside the clinic? 00:01:21.049 --> 00:01:22.471 There's always a logical thing, 00:01:22.911 --> 00:01:24.391 but it doesn't happen unless there's an 00:01:24.451 --> 00:01:25.453 emotional component. 00:01:25.472 --> 00:01:26.974 So what was it for you? 00:01:27.546 --> 00:01:28.686 Yeah, it was emotional. 00:01:29.647 --> 00:01:31.927 I started dating somebody who worked from 00:01:31.966 --> 00:01:34.587 home and I said, oh my God, wait, 00:01:34.628 --> 00:01:35.908 you do that from home? 00:01:36.188 --> 00:01:38.629 And obviously physical therapy is not a 00:01:38.668 --> 00:01:40.230 job normally that you do from home. 00:01:40.269 --> 00:01:41.989 Now there's some options to do so. 00:01:42.049 --> 00:01:44.450 But yeah, I started questioning, 00:01:45.070 --> 00:01:46.790 is there any way that I can take 00:01:46.831 --> 00:01:48.531 my skills and what I do now 00:01:49.432 --> 00:01:50.612 and do something from home. 00:01:51.853 --> 00:01:53.436 So that was the first emotional part of 00:01:53.495 --> 00:01:53.615 it. 00:01:55.016 --> 00:01:55.918 But also, you know, 00:01:55.977 --> 00:01:57.859 there was a logical part of like, 00:01:58.721 --> 00:02:00.281 I also feel like I've treated patients for 00:02:00.322 --> 00:02:01.123 five years, 00:02:01.322 --> 00:02:02.563 I went to school for six years, 00:02:02.603 --> 00:02:03.924 like I've been doing this for a while. 00:02:05.066 --> 00:02:07.489 And I haven't really gotten anywhere yet, 00:02:08.008 --> 00:02:09.409 other than being a PT. 00:02:09.711 --> 00:02:12.713 So those were the main reasons why I 00:02:12.753 --> 00:02:13.074 switched. 00:02:13.430 --> 00:02:14.650 So let's go to the nuts and bolts 00:02:14.689 --> 00:02:14.909 of it. 00:02:15.169 --> 00:02:17.971 Describe what it is that you do. 00:02:18.330 --> 00:02:19.691 I sort of, in the intro said, 00:02:19.711 --> 00:02:20.550 you know, 00:02:20.570 --> 00:02:22.611 you manage complex systems and teams and 00:02:22.671 --> 00:02:26.431 products, but like, what do you do? 00:02:26.451 --> 00:02:28.573 That's such a funny question because, so, 00:02:28.752 --> 00:02:30.252 okay, I'm a project manager. 00:02:30.633 --> 00:02:31.413 That's it. 00:02:31.432 --> 00:02:32.733 But people are like, 00:02:32.772 --> 00:02:33.973 what is a project manager? 00:02:34.993 --> 00:02:38.133 So what I do is I am kind 00:02:38.153 --> 00:02:41.854 of that herder, that bridge between, 00:02:42.275 --> 00:02:42.574 you know, 00:02:42.995 --> 00:02:44.235 different teams at the company, 00:02:44.436 --> 00:02:46.796 and I take on any type of complex 00:02:46.856 --> 00:02:48.076 project that needs to get done, 00:02:48.116 --> 00:02:49.237 whether it's for the business, 00:02:49.318 --> 00:02:51.278 for the engineering or product side of 00:02:51.299 --> 00:02:51.658 things, 00:02:52.058 --> 00:02:53.960 sales and marketing side of things, 00:02:54.020 --> 00:02:55.600 I'll basically do anything and everything. 00:02:55.640 --> 00:02:57.322 So it's somebody who is really organized 00:02:57.481 --> 00:03:00.022 and can get people together and get a 00:03:00.603 --> 00:03:01.343 task completed. 00:03:01.924 --> 00:03:02.183 Yeah. 00:03:02.243 --> 00:03:03.044 Okay. 00:03:03.104 --> 00:03:04.585 So it sounds like if you stripped away 00:03:04.625 --> 00:03:05.705 exactly what you did, 00:03:06.840 --> 00:03:09.100 PTs or people in healthcare sort of do 00:03:09.181 --> 00:03:10.502 that, similar things. 00:03:11.401 --> 00:03:12.983 As my friend Rebecca Griffith would say, 00:03:13.324 --> 00:03:15.104 you probably took some of your familiar 00:03:15.185 --> 00:03:18.445 skills to an unfamiliar place and applied 00:03:18.466 --> 00:03:19.687 them just a little bit differently. 00:03:32.850 --> 00:03:33.550 Yeah, exactly. 00:03:33.610 --> 00:03:36.533 I took the skills that I learned as 00:03:36.554 --> 00:03:37.974 a PT and I had developed over so 00:03:37.995 --> 00:03:41.176 many years and I took it into the 00:03:41.217 --> 00:03:41.918 non-clinical world. 00:03:42.878 --> 00:03:46.020 And there's so many jobs that are looking 00:03:46.040 --> 00:03:47.141 for people that can do that. 00:03:47.201 --> 00:03:48.462 Right. 00:03:48.502 --> 00:03:50.004 But a lot of people might search 00:03:50.465 --> 00:03:52.266 non-clinical physical therapy job. 00:03:52.306 --> 00:03:52.967 And I got to be honest, 00:03:53.106 --> 00:03:54.848 people aren't going to write that in the 00:03:54.868 --> 00:03:55.389 description. 00:03:55.408 --> 00:03:56.490 They're going to write it in different 00:03:56.509 --> 00:03:56.909 ways. 00:03:57.311 --> 00:03:58.731 So it might be part of your job 00:03:58.792 --> 00:03:59.932 or your job search to 00:04:00.973 --> 00:04:02.899 understand what they might be looking for 00:04:02.938 --> 00:04:04.361 and sort of reverse engineer that. 00:04:06.509 --> 00:04:06.830 Yeah. 00:04:08.131 --> 00:04:10.353 I think typing in non-clinical physical 00:04:10.372 --> 00:04:13.354 therapy jobs is not the best strategy. 00:04:15.836 --> 00:04:17.036 I did that in the beginning too. 00:04:17.076 --> 00:04:19.658 And I found things like medical device 00:04:19.699 --> 00:04:22.779 sales and customer success roles. 00:04:22.920 --> 00:04:24.502 And while those are great roles for 00:04:24.541 --> 00:04:26.442 somebody who is interested in those, 00:04:27.202 --> 00:04:28.564 that wasn't what I was looking for. 00:04:28.663 --> 00:04:31.165 So I don't think project manager really 00:04:31.206 --> 00:04:32.547 comes up very often. 00:04:33.168 --> 00:04:33.387 Right. 00:04:33.447 --> 00:04:35.529 But you're managing a caseload is kind of 00:04:35.649 --> 00:04:38.973 one big unconnected project or a bunch of 00:04:39.033 --> 00:04:40.334 projects connected together. 00:04:40.834 --> 00:04:41.795 Now walk us through this. 00:04:41.875 --> 00:04:43.156 Walk us through the transition. 00:04:43.557 --> 00:04:45.838 What were the hardest parts of moving away 00:04:45.879 --> 00:04:47.079 from this thing that you just went to 00:04:47.120 --> 00:04:48.781 school for a long time and practiced and 00:04:49.261 --> 00:04:51.043 into this other world of technology? 00:04:51.928 --> 00:04:52.209 Yeah. 00:04:52.528 --> 00:04:52.608 Um, 00:04:52.788 --> 00:04:54.468 I felt behind in the world of technology. 00:04:54.689 --> 00:04:54.790 I, 00:04:54.910 --> 00:04:56.490 it wasn't anything that I was using in 00:04:56.529 --> 00:05:00.069 my clinical, uh, career at the time. 00:05:00.310 --> 00:05:00.531 Um, 00:05:00.711 --> 00:05:02.290 AI was just coming up and it was, 00:05:02.730 --> 00:05:03.571 you know, um, 00:05:03.730 --> 00:05:05.391 I really had to learn some things 00:05:05.490 --> 00:05:07.831 independently and, and on the new job too. 00:05:08.211 --> 00:05:10.812 Um, so tech was something I, I didn't, 00:05:11.351 --> 00:05:12.572 I didn't know too well, um, 00:05:12.612 --> 00:05:13.173 at the time. 00:05:13.333 --> 00:05:15.612 And then, um, yeah, 00:05:15.673 --> 00:05:18.593 I also think like the people asking why 00:05:18.774 --> 00:05:19.954 was another hard part. 00:05:20.374 --> 00:05:20.533 Um, 00:05:21.783 --> 00:05:23.584 That I think a lot of PTs that 00:05:23.644 --> 00:05:25.245 are looking or any health care workers 00:05:25.285 --> 00:05:26.625 that are looking to get out of the 00:05:26.646 --> 00:05:28.987 field get that question a lot, too. 00:05:29.687 --> 00:05:30.649 But, yeah, 00:05:30.749 --> 00:05:32.029 it was something that I was I was 00:05:32.089 --> 00:05:32.589 ready to do. 00:05:32.689 --> 00:05:33.490 I was you know, 00:05:33.670 --> 00:05:35.271 I had made that decision and I wasn't 00:05:35.291 --> 00:05:35.932 going to look back. 00:05:35.951 --> 00:05:36.471 So, yeah. 00:05:36.872 --> 00:05:38.814 Was there an emotional component of having 00:05:38.834 --> 00:05:40.995 to tell people that you were now sort 00:05:41.055 --> 00:05:41.555 of I mean, 00:05:41.576 --> 00:05:43.216 this is a little bit of an identity 00:05:43.257 --> 00:05:44.137 change, right? 00:05:44.336 --> 00:05:46.158 Were this thing and now I'm going to 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:48.279 be when I sort of stepped away and 00:05:48.319 --> 00:05:49.661 stepped into whatever the heck it is that 00:05:49.761 --> 00:05:50.021 I do. 00:05:50.060 --> 00:05:51.161 I'm still not a hundred percent sure. 00:05:51.762 --> 00:05:51.862 Um, 00:05:51.882 --> 00:05:53.002 there was a little bit of an identity 00:05:53.041 --> 00:05:53.362 shift. 00:05:53.401 --> 00:05:54.562 Did you, did you feel that too? 00:05:55.223 --> 00:05:55.523 Yeah. 00:05:55.682 --> 00:05:55.923 Yeah. 00:05:55.983 --> 00:05:57.903 You know, I had to take like the, 00:05:58.382 --> 00:05:59.122 the letters off. 00:05:59.242 --> 00:05:59.764 I didn't have to, 00:05:59.843 --> 00:06:01.144 I took the letters off my name on 00:06:01.184 --> 00:06:02.624 LinkedIn, like at the end, um, 00:06:02.684 --> 00:06:03.843 no more PT, DPT. 00:06:04.103 --> 00:06:06.745 And I was like, Whoa, um, that's weird. 00:06:07.125 --> 00:06:09.884 But I wanted to frame myself in a 00:06:09.925 --> 00:06:12.865 more, you know, health tech ready way. 00:06:12.966 --> 00:06:13.185 And I, 00:06:13.305 --> 00:06:14.526 I took those letters off and I, 00:06:15.326 --> 00:06:16.627 you know, haven't put them back up. 00:06:16.747 --> 00:06:17.346 So, um, 00:06:18.483 --> 00:06:20.545 Talk about direct translation. 00:06:21.024 --> 00:06:23.826 What skills from PT translated directly 00:06:23.846 --> 00:06:24.947 into project management? 00:06:25.086 --> 00:06:26.447 When you sat there, you're like, oh, 00:06:26.708 --> 00:06:28.507 not only can I do this, 00:06:28.567 --> 00:06:29.449 I've already done this. 00:06:30.329 --> 00:06:30.588 Yeah, 00:06:31.290 --> 00:06:33.610 definitely stakeholder management and not 00:06:33.630 --> 00:06:35.411 to call patients stakeholders by any 00:06:35.430 --> 00:06:35.692 means, 00:06:35.752 --> 00:06:38.752 but your patients are people that you get 00:06:38.773 --> 00:06:41.113 to know and you learn their language and 00:06:41.153 --> 00:06:43.415 you learn their style on whatever it may 00:06:43.435 --> 00:06:45.915 be to to treat them. 00:06:46.055 --> 00:06:47.357 And I I took those 00:06:48.297 --> 00:06:49.658 skills in managing people. 00:06:49.737 --> 00:06:51.860 And I was able to manage teams in 00:06:51.899 --> 00:06:52.560 what I do now. 00:06:53.781 --> 00:06:57.603 And it's really about learning to get on 00:06:57.665 --> 00:06:58.324 someone's level. 00:06:58.404 --> 00:06:59.406 And you do that so well as a 00:06:59.446 --> 00:07:00.266 PT every single day. 00:07:00.567 --> 00:07:00.947 Sure. 00:07:01.346 --> 00:07:03.649 Not even just every day, every hour. 00:07:03.809 --> 00:07:04.230 Every hour. 00:07:05.831 --> 00:07:06.812 I think as you're saying it, 00:07:06.911 --> 00:07:09.374 I like playing with words or looking how 00:07:09.394 --> 00:07:09.934 they work, 00:07:10.254 --> 00:07:12.036 which is stakeholder might sound 00:07:12.516 --> 00:07:13.737 superficial at first, 00:07:13.817 --> 00:07:14.016 but 00:07:15.074 --> 00:07:16.394 you have to have a stake in your 00:07:16.435 --> 00:07:17.276 own health, right? 00:07:17.355 --> 00:07:17.516 I mean, 00:07:17.596 --> 00:07:19.678 I can't do any exercises for you. 00:07:19.819 --> 00:07:20.959 So your job a lot of the times 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:23.002 is to get that person to do things 00:07:23.021 --> 00:07:24.562 like buying in, follow through, 00:07:24.603 --> 00:07:26.245 which I guess I'm guessing are a lot 00:07:26.264 --> 00:07:27.545 of things that you have to do and 00:07:27.586 --> 00:07:29.588 get to do as a project manager now. 00:07:29.627 --> 00:07:30.069 Exactly. 00:07:30.129 --> 00:07:31.269 Yeah, that's so right. 00:07:32.007 --> 00:07:33.629 Yeah. 00:07:33.649 --> 00:07:34.250 Let me pay the bills. 00:07:34.271 --> 00:07:36.494 I want to say thanks to Empower EMR. 00:07:36.533 --> 00:07:37.875 If your EMR slows you down, 00:07:38.416 --> 00:07:40.158 it's costing you more than time. 00:07:40.238 --> 00:07:41.279 It's costing you momentum. 00:07:41.401 --> 00:07:43.322 Empower EMR is built for PTs who want 00:07:43.382 --> 00:07:45.365 faster documentation, cleaner workflows, 00:07:46.146 --> 00:07:48.149 and support that actually responds. 00:07:48.430 --> 00:07:51.391 Find them online at empoweremr.com. 00:07:51.490 --> 00:07:52.711 And US Physical Therapy, 00:07:52.932 --> 00:07:54.413 built by PTs for PTs. 00:07:54.853 --> 00:07:55.973 If you're looking for career growth, 00:07:56.012 --> 00:07:56.533 mentorship, 00:07:56.553 --> 00:07:58.334 and a place where your voice matters, 00:07:58.535 --> 00:08:01.516 USPH helps you build a future without 00:08:01.576 --> 00:08:02.115 burning out. 00:08:02.375 --> 00:08:05.458 Find them online at usph.com. 00:08:05.918 --> 00:08:06.017 Now, 00:08:06.098 --> 00:08:09.199 where do you think education in physical 00:08:09.218 --> 00:08:10.480 therapy falls short? 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:13.922 in preparing students and eventually 00:08:13.942 --> 00:08:15.682 clinicians for something like career 00:08:15.762 --> 00:08:16.702 flexibility? 00:08:16.723 --> 00:08:18.343 Is there something that it falls short on 00:08:18.362 --> 00:08:18.483 them? 00:08:18.843 --> 00:08:20.264 What else could we add? 00:08:20.384 --> 00:08:20.704 Yeah, 00:08:21.163 --> 00:08:22.704 I went to PT school a while ago 00:08:22.745 --> 00:08:23.204 at this point. 00:08:23.245 --> 00:08:24.545 I graduated in twenty seventeen. 00:08:25.225 --> 00:08:26.305 But like I said earlier, 00:08:26.326 --> 00:08:27.105 things have changed. 00:08:27.365 --> 00:08:28.906 Like there's so much new tech out there. 00:08:29.026 --> 00:08:31.146 I think technology and health care is one 00:08:31.206 --> 00:08:32.768 thing that we never learned. 00:08:32.888 --> 00:08:34.347 It wasn't a class we took or anything, 00:08:34.368 --> 00:08:35.509 but I think that would be a great 00:08:35.548 --> 00:08:37.288 course curriculum. 00:08:38.950 --> 00:08:39.549 I think. 00:08:41.524 --> 00:08:42.725 Non-clinical opportunities, 00:08:42.745 --> 00:08:44.788 while that's probably not something they 00:08:44.827 --> 00:08:47.669 want to push in PT school, 00:08:47.890 --> 00:08:50.173 I think it's worth it to talk about. 00:08:52.434 --> 00:08:54.616 I think a PT isn't just a PT 00:08:54.657 --> 00:08:55.177 in the clinic. 00:08:55.277 --> 00:08:58.340 A PT can be a PT anywhere. 00:08:58.399 --> 00:08:58.500 Now, 00:08:58.519 --> 00:09:00.422 you've said physical therapists or 00:09:00.461 --> 00:09:02.322 healthcare providers need to expand how 00:09:02.482 --> 00:09:05.145 they define impact. 00:09:05.785 --> 00:09:06.767 What does that mean in real terms? 00:09:06.787 --> 00:09:07.467 What does that mean to you? 00:09:09.389 --> 00:09:09.568 Well, 00:09:10.590 --> 00:09:13.490 I think a lot of PTs think if 00:09:13.611 --> 00:09:14.831 I'm not treating patients, 00:09:14.871 --> 00:09:16.712 if I'm not making people better directly 00:09:16.732 --> 00:09:17.953 with what I do every day, 00:09:18.214 --> 00:09:19.894 then I'm not making a difference in 00:09:19.955 --> 00:09:20.556 anyone's life. 00:09:20.655 --> 00:09:22.216 And that is far from the truth. 00:09:23.537 --> 00:09:25.979 Where I work now is a health tech 00:09:26.019 --> 00:09:26.479 company, 00:09:27.100 --> 00:09:28.900 and I change the lives of thousands of 00:09:28.941 --> 00:09:30.701 nurses every single day without ever 00:09:30.741 --> 00:09:33.222 touching them or meeting them even. 00:09:33.243 --> 00:09:34.683 So redefining that word impact, 00:09:34.724 --> 00:09:36.945 how can I make an impact on people 00:09:37.125 --> 00:09:37.826 and in the world 00:09:38.385 --> 00:09:40.027 I think that's a question worth asking. 00:09:40.147 --> 00:09:41.726 Yeah. 00:09:41.746 --> 00:09:44.008 I'll do the podcast live at PT programs 00:09:44.087 --> 00:09:46.788 and I'll start by sort of asking this 00:09:46.827 --> 00:09:47.708 sort of weird question. 00:09:47.729 --> 00:09:48.188 I'm like, hey, 00:09:48.769 --> 00:09:50.109 I have a degree in physical therapy, 00:09:50.168 --> 00:09:51.590 but I haven't treated a patient in this 00:09:51.629 --> 00:09:52.889 many months or years. 00:09:53.470 --> 00:09:55.230 I'm not in academics and I'm not in 00:09:55.291 --> 00:09:56.711 research and I'm not in management. 00:09:57.510 --> 00:09:59.111 Am I an actual physical therapist? 00:09:59.399 --> 00:10:00.461 And then I say, 00:10:00.541 --> 00:10:01.763 now I'm gonna do something. 00:10:01.783 --> 00:10:02.864 I'm gonna interview a bunch of people. 00:10:03.144 --> 00:10:05.888 And then I wanna know the answer until 00:10:05.947 --> 00:10:06.668 after we're done. 00:10:06.908 --> 00:10:07.929 And then I usually just ask, 00:10:08.029 --> 00:10:09.912 did your answer change from beginning to 00:10:10.072 --> 00:10:10.352 end? 00:10:10.432 --> 00:10:11.693 Because of something that you just said, 00:10:11.734 --> 00:10:12.075 which is, 00:10:13.211 --> 00:10:16.934 If I put an idea out from Alana 00:10:17.375 --> 00:10:19.597 that then goes and changes someone who 00:10:19.638 --> 00:10:21.119 changes thousands of people, 00:10:21.980 --> 00:10:23.542 was I part of the change? 00:10:24.442 --> 00:10:25.364 And I think if we look at it 00:10:25.384 --> 00:10:25.744 that way, 00:10:25.764 --> 00:10:28.547 you can see what impact can actually be 00:10:28.567 --> 00:10:31.610 or how far impact can actually travel. 00:10:31.671 --> 00:10:32.051 Right. 00:10:32.071 --> 00:10:33.913 Yeah, that's great. 00:10:34.467 --> 00:10:36.070 For someone listening who feels stuck, 00:10:36.671 --> 00:10:39.274 I don't want to overwhelm people, 00:10:39.313 --> 00:10:41.736 but what would you suggest the first step 00:10:41.777 --> 00:10:45.221 be to exploring something different? 00:10:45.662 --> 00:10:47.404 What's one action you'd say, okay, 00:10:47.825 --> 00:10:49.606 first of all, breathe in out, okay, 00:10:50.028 --> 00:10:51.389 and then do this? 00:10:52.529 --> 00:10:54.530 I would sit down and open up a 00:10:54.572 --> 00:10:56.392 word doc or take a notebook out and 00:10:56.513 --> 00:10:58.913 write down all the skills that you think 00:10:59.014 --> 00:10:59.974 that you're good at, 00:11:00.053 --> 00:11:02.875 regardless if it's related to PT or not, 00:11:03.296 --> 00:11:04.496 write them down a whole list. 00:11:05.116 --> 00:11:05.736 That's what I would do. 00:11:06.238 --> 00:11:06.457 Yeah. 00:11:06.778 --> 00:11:07.758 What would you put, 00:11:07.798 --> 00:11:09.219 what are some of the different things you 00:11:09.259 --> 00:11:11.100 had on your list or if you redid 00:11:11.139 --> 00:11:12.081 that list today, 00:11:12.181 --> 00:11:13.041 what would you put on there? 00:11:13.500 --> 00:11:13.760 Yeah. 00:11:14.081 --> 00:11:14.942 I think empathy. 00:11:15.001 --> 00:11:16.503 That's something that I, um, 00:11:19.160 --> 00:11:20.181 It's a skill I didn't learn, 00:11:20.201 --> 00:11:22.043 but I developed in physical therapy and I 00:11:22.102 --> 00:11:23.644 still use obviously to this day. 00:11:24.484 --> 00:11:25.965 So I would say I'm empathetic. 00:11:26.125 --> 00:11:28.267 I would say organizational skills. 00:11:29.167 --> 00:11:30.067 I can organize anything. 00:11:30.807 --> 00:11:32.149 Puzzle solving skills. 00:11:32.328 --> 00:11:34.490 I would also put that's personal to me, 00:11:34.530 --> 00:11:37.452 but yeah. 00:11:37.513 --> 00:11:37.613 Okay. 00:11:37.633 --> 00:11:38.693 You up for a quick game? 00:11:39.945 --> 00:11:40.044 Sure. 00:11:40.065 --> 00:11:40.946 Let's play rapid fire. 00:11:41.046 --> 00:11:43.966 I'm going to throw out a phrase and 00:11:44.006 --> 00:11:45.587 then you just answer. 00:11:45.607 --> 00:11:46.928 So just rapid fire questions, 00:11:46.989 --> 00:11:47.928 whatever comes to mind. 00:11:47.969 --> 00:11:48.629 Cause you said, 00:11:49.330 --> 00:11:51.892 I think PTs need to zoom out, right? 00:11:51.912 --> 00:11:53.032 You want to zoom out your phrase, 00:11:53.072 --> 00:11:53.432 not mine. 00:11:53.732 --> 00:11:54.592 So we'll go rapid fire. 00:11:54.873 --> 00:11:57.855 What's a skill every PT has, 00:11:58.235 --> 00:12:00.556 but doesn't actually realize that it's a 00:12:00.655 --> 00:12:01.956 skill and has value. 00:12:01.976 --> 00:12:05.318 Empathy. 00:12:05.619 --> 00:12:05.759 Um, 00:12:06.640 --> 00:12:07.380 You are empathetic. 00:12:08.501 --> 00:12:10.923 You treat patients every day. 00:12:10.962 --> 00:12:13.504 Better career move, stay or pivot? 00:12:13.864 --> 00:12:14.604 You have to pick one. 00:12:15.604 --> 00:12:16.544 Pivot, always. 00:12:20.225 --> 00:12:21.586 Coffee order that gets you through the 00:12:21.605 --> 00:12:21.986 deadlines. 00:12:23.927 --> 00:12:25.967 A creme brulee iced latte. 00:12:26.697 --> 00:12:28.558 smart i'm with you on the ice uh 00:12:28.839 --> 00:12:32.100 one linkedin habit that pts should start 00:12:32.140 --> 00:12:33.902 tomorrow besides the obvious if you're not 00:12:33.962 --> 00:12:35.342 on linkedin you should be so what's a 00:12:35.482 --> 00:12:37.684 linkedin habit that people should start 00:12:37.725 --> 00:12:40.346 tomorrow if you see somebody interesting 00:12:40.385 --> 00:12:41.966 there connect with them whether or not you 00:12:42.006 --> 00:12:43.187 know them whether or not you plan on 00:12:43.207 --> 00:12:44.729 reaching out just send that connection 00:12:44.749 --> 00:12:47.530 request one hundred percent agree uh 00:12:47.671 --> 00:12:51.393 crossword or clinical puzzle what's harder 00:12:51.493 --> 00:12:52.254 oh my gosh 00:12:53.774 --> 00:12:55.496 A Sunday crossword is pretty hard, 00:12:55.596 --> 00:12:57.457 but there were some clinical puzzles out 00:12:57.498 --> 00:12:59.139 there I couldn't quite solve. 00:12:59.159 --> 00:13:00.500 I'm good with words, 00:13:00.520 --> 00:13:01.402 but crossword puzzles, 00:13:01.442 --> 00:13:02.543 my brain doesn't brain that way. 00:13:02.562 --> 00:13:03.384 All right. 00:13:04.004 --> 00:13:05.385 We have a tradition on the show. 00:13:05.485 --> 00:13:07.368 It is called the parting shot. 00:13:08.489 --> 00:13:10.509 This is the parting shot. 00:13:11.071 --> 00:13:12.471 One last mic drop moment. 00:13:13.133 --> 00:13:14.354 No pressure. 00:13:14.374 --> 00:13:16.475 Just your legacy on the line. 00:13:17.918 --> 00:13:19.038 All right, parting shot. 00:13:19.418 --> 00:13:21.899 If someone listening right now in 00:13:21.958 --> 00:13:23.538 healthcare feels like their degree, 00:13:24.259 --> 00:13:25.940 put them in a box. 00:13:25.980 --> 00:13:27.440 I want you to look directly at the 00:13:27.480 --> 00:13:28.561 camera or speak directly in the 00:13:28.581 --> 00:13:28.880 microphone. 00:13:28.941 --> 00:13:32.461 What would you say to them to change 00:13:32.802 --> 00:13:35.442 how they see their career starting 00:13:35.501 --> 00:13:36.102 tomorrow? 00:13:37.342 --> 00:13:37.802 I would say, 00:13:37.822 --> 00:13:38.962 I'm looking directly in the camera. 00:13:39.123 --> 00:13:41.823 I would say the future of healthcare is 00:13:41.864 --> 00:13:45.605 going to be determined by people who think 00:13:45.625 --> 00:13:45.845 differently. 00:13:46.928 --> 00:13:50.190 in systems and understand technology and 00:13:50.230 --> 00:13:52.311 data and people and all that, 00:13:52.811 --> 00:13:57.131 and not just by treatment techniques. 00:13:57.292 --> 00:13:57.892 Yeah. 00:13:58.371 --> 00:13:59.413 There's going to be a lot of room 00:13:59.452 --> 00:14:01.052 for yes ands, I feel like, 00:14:01.092 --> 00:14:01.592 in the world. 00:14:02.332 --> 00:14:03.413 You can do this and, 00:14:03.514 --> 00:14:06.033 or you can take this and apply it 00:14:06.073 --> 00:14:06.754 somewhere else. 00:14:07.174 --> 00:14:07.355 Right. 00:14:07.554 --> 00:14:09.375 And that's why I say pivot instead of 00:14:09.434 --> 00:14:09.716 stay, 00:14:09.735 --> 00:14:12.375 because that next door may be the coolest 00:14:12.395 --> 00:14:13.437 thing that you've ever done. 00:14:13.476 --> 00:14:14.456 So open it. 00:14:15.102 --> 00:14:15.503 I don't know. 00:14:15.562 --> 00:14:17.624 I mean, the regret, I'd rather regret the, 00:14:17.884 --> 00:14:18.465 you know, what do we say? 00:14:18.504 --> 00:14:19.825 I'd rather regret the shot that you did 00:14:19.845 --> 00:14:21.206 take and not the one you didn't. 00:14:21.706 --> 00:14:22.647 That's what happens with you. 00:14:22.986 --> 00:14:24.947 Any resources that you would suggest 00:14:24.988 --> 00:14:27.068 someone can go look up after they're done 00:14:27.149 --> 00:14:29.549 writing down and journaling that one page 00:14:29.590 --> 00:14:30.250 like you suggested? 00:14:30.269 --> 00:14:31.431 Is there something tangible you'd send 00:14:31.451 --> 00:14:31.691 them to? 00:14:32.287 --> 00:14:32.586 Yeah, 00:14:32.687 --> 00:14:34.207 I think I don't know how often it's 00:14:34.248 --> 00:14:34.869 been talked about. 00:14:34.889 --> 00:14:36.269 But the non clinical PT is a great 00:14:36.309 --> 00:14:36.830 resource. 00:14:37.750 --> 00:14:39.812 And then they have like a newsletter, 00:14:39.831 --> 00:14:40.352 a blog, 00:14:41.092 --> 00:14:42.653 a job board that you can take a 00:14:42.693 --> 00:14:43.115 look at. 00:14:44.095 --> 00:14:45.056 So I would definitely start there. 00:14:45.355 --> 00:14:45.676 Yeah. 00:14:45.696 --> 00:14:46.977 Meredith's been doing great work for, 00:14:47.658 --> 00:14:49.721 I mean, a decade, close to more. 00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:50.542 Yeah. 00:14:50.662 --> 00:14:51.081 Great work. 00:14:51.783 --> 00:14:53.764 Alana, appreciate the insight. 00:14:54.225 --> 00:14:55.366 I think what you do is terribly 00:14:55.427 --> 00:14:55.886 interesting. 00:14:56.368 --> 00:14:56.969 And here's the thing. 00:14:57.288 --> 00:14:58.750 If we had a conversation for twenty 00:14:58.770 --> 00:15:01.714 minutes and one other person found value 00:15:01.734 --> 00:15:02.114 in this, 00:15:03.054 --> 00:15:04.297 I'm glad we threw it on the Internet 00:15:04.317 --> 00:15:05.538 and it found its way to them. 00:15:05.557 --> 00:15:06.158 So thanks for this. 00:15:06.178 --> 00:15:06.438 I agree. 00:15:06.938 --> 00:15:07.279 Thank you. 00:15:09.642 --> 00:15:10.701 That's it for this one, 00:15:10.981 --> 00:15:12.643 but we're just getting warmed up. 00:15:13.123 --> 00:15:15.023 Smash follow, send it to a friend, 00:15:15.243 --> 00:15:16.903 or crank up the next episode. 00:15:17.423 --> 00:15:18.283 Want to go deeper? 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