It doesn't really matter, but oh,
look at that, huh?
Huh?
And we're looking here.
I mean, look at me.
Oh,
that's not the button I want to use.
Oh, wow.
That's our intro music as we go live
from APTACSM here in Anaheim, California.
I knew Disneyland was here.
I didn't know it was like across the
street.
I'm walking back from dinner last night.
Might have had a drink or two.
And I was like, there's like a...
employee entrance right here.
Can we dip in and wear a Mickey
suit?
What would happen if we could do that?
Rachel and Priscilla, Rachel,
you're no stranger to the show.
How did that episode go over?
We'll see tomorrow if we get a bunch
of people at our session.
People who heard the episode,
how did that go over?
It was legit.
It was encouraging.
So we talked about peer review and how
it's not as scary as you think.
And researchers and journal editors are
just people trying to get your work out
there.
And let me know if my suggestion will
be adopted,
which is if people are afraid of red
ink, what if we just change the color?
Because sometimes the answer is just
simple.
Yeah,
this is supposed to scare people away.
And Priscilla,
what's your superhero backstory?
Hi, I'm a Student Physical Therapist,
University of Washington.
Nice.
I'm a first-generation Latina woman,
and I'm here, you know, representing.
I'm sorry, you said first year?
Yes, I'm a first year.
And you're jumping into CSM.
Good for you.
No, not first year.
I'm so sorry.
I'm a first-generation Latina woman.
And where are you in PT school?
I'm in University of Washington.
In what year?
I am a second year.
Second year.
Perfect.
So how's, is this your first CSM?
Yeah, this is my first CSM.
How's, I mean, we're still a day young,
but like, how's expectation?
Is this what you thought?
There's a lot.
Yeah.
It's, it's a lot,
but it's so good though.
Like I need to make halfway through my,
the whole booth.
Yeah.
Pace yourself.
Yeah.
Water.
Yeah.
Water.
I say it's a circus with eighteen circuses
in it.
Yeah.
That's how it feels.
Yeah.
just everywhere you go there's another
loud thing and yeah yeah some smells
wafting in from popcorn for some reason a
lot of popcorn so what are we talking
about today well we threw i threw uh
priscilla into the fire this morning so
she interviewed a bunch of editors of ptj
journal about the future of research and
how to get students uh interested and
involved in research and so we kind of
wanted to continue that conversation with
you so what are the answers how do
we get students not intimidated but to
embrace
I think being curious.
I think ultimately all the questions of
researchers were saying like students
don't have to be curious,
asking questions and wanting to go into
areas where they're not as exposed or
learned about a lot.
You know,
there's a lot of literature that we still
need to like be open to.
having more time to have to open to
the different literatures that are out
there.
And I think as for me,
like now I want to have an interest
in research because I feel like there's
questions that need to be asked.
And I know there's a lot of students
too that they want to find more and
more interest and there's too many
questions that need to be answered still.
And you're going to be, I mean,
when did you say research was something
I'm not going to be intimidated by but
I'm going to lean into?
I think this morning, this morning,
my mind was blown up.
Yeah.
But I think ultimately it's because I come
from like a background that there's not
answers strictly saying like, oh yeah,
there's answers for this,
answers for this.
But when, for example,
my family does not believe that much in
physical therapy.
My mom was kind of skeptical with going
to physical therapy.
She was kind of like,
does it really work?
You know,
like she was asking those questions.
And, you know,
I grew up being going to the farms,
picking cherries early at night or in the
morning.
And then I would see firsthand
musculoskeletal injuries every single day.
Sure.
And till this day,
there is no research about musculoskeletal
injury with the farm working community.
And they're just like, whoa,
I don't know about anything about physical
therapy.
It's because we haven't shown them the
avenues to go to get treated.
And that limits access,
that limits self-efficacy for them too.
So that affects them financially and able
to support their families.
Yeah.
The downstream effects of that.
It goes back into policy.
I think they were talking about like if
there's if policy is a big thing and
if we don't help those communities that
need it more,
then we're kind of eliminating those gray
areas.
They're not able to get access.
And we're not asking those questions that
we need to get answers from.
Yeah.
And someone's got to ask them.
Yeah.
And follow it through.
Yeah.
But research can be intimidating.
I remember the first couple of times I
tried to read a paper.
It was just it's a very it can
be very precise language.
Right.
Where you might use a word.
in just regular everyday vernacular you
use it in research it means something
different sometimes that can be sort of a
of a barrier so you have to be
sort of committed but i think uh an
episode like yours previously on the show
shows that the goal isn't to keep people
out the goal is um to achieve
understanding to to make sure that not not
to just keep it uh to a small
group um
How do we get more people excited about
research?
How do we make more Priscilla's?
And my goal is to get PTs excited
about research and health policy and
health systems.
And that's what Priscilla is a great
example of is someone who has
a passion and questions about a community
that's underserved.
Well, there's a reason for that, right?
Because no one asked the question.
There's a political and policy reason,
a structural reason,
behind a lot of these disparities.
It's probably not an accident.
Yeah.
And so if we're not...
as rehab providers at the table in those
policy discussions,
kind of leaning into learning more about
how decisions get made and not shying away
from health policy as like, Oh,
that's too political.
That doesn't have to do with my clinic.
Like that's not the reality.
So that's what Priscilla and I kind of
got together because she's on the, um,
She's the DEI chair for the student SIG
for APTA Washington.
And I gave a talk to the students
about how PT is political and you can't
have health policy without politics and
you just have to own your biases,
but also not shy away from that in
conversations with students because
we operate in a healthcare system that is
a political system.
And we had a great outcome in that
workshop that we did,
and I think lots of students were
intrigued by it,
and many wanted to have more and more
topics of this,
even though they're really uncomfortable,
but we have to talk about them.
We can't be the elephant in the room,
so I think it's important that we're
asking those questions,
and I think as students,
we need to ask them now,
And then so we can have knowledge.
And so we're in the workplace,
like we know,
like we have at least something to say.
Like we have something to say to patients
if they ask us.
Like we can't be like, oh,
I don't know.
I didn't learn that in school.
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know about your insurance
coverage.
Yeah, I don't know how that works.
Like that's too, I don't know.
I guess I'm businessy, but like too, like,
I don't know.
Too health policy.
Yeah, too health policy.
Yeah, yeah.
What's success look like in five years for
both of you?
Where do you want to be?
Let's start with you.
Let's see.
I'm probably going to get a little
emotional.
Good.
Yeah.
Tears are coming down, I think.
Whoa.
Okay.
So I think in five years I want
to have my own clinic on the east
side of Washington.
It's a big agricultural area and I really
want to help out the farm working
community,
educate them and tell them like, hey,
these are services that are provided for
you and you need to go seek them.
And they do work.
And that's why research comes in later
being like, hey,
this is research right here.
I'm showing you right here.
It's a publication.
This is what I did.
And I know it's scary at first because
I know it's scary for people to go
into these clinics and saying,
it's not the same way as you go
in with a doctor's visit.
So I think in five years,
I want to establish my own business,
helping out the community and doing global
health also too.
Good.
Love to hear it.
What does success look like five years
from now?
Good luck following that, by the way.
Yeah, I know.
I'm never going to live up to Priscilla.
No,
I want to keep fostering those sorts of
passions in the students like her that
keep coming.
I do a lot more research than teaching
in my role,
but there are
and you know it's health policy is a
niche area where a lot of pt students
aren't really interested but i'm growing
this sort of you know it's planting the
seeds that this is something that students
can get involved with early and often and
i just want to keep kind of building
the cadre of rehab researchers in health
policy and in ten years you get to
make more students behind you yeah that's
the way that's how it works good yeah
we have to all right the uh
We have a tradition on the show.
It's called the parting shot.
Rachel's aware of this.
This is the parting shot.
One last mic drop moment.
No pressure.
Just your legacy on the line.
All right, parting shot.
Just your last chance for a mic drop
moment.
What do you want to leave with the
audience?
We'll let Rachel go first.
You can see what her,
because she's done this one before.
My mic drop moment is PT is political.
There's no way to avoid it.
Can't get rid of it.
Lean in.
Yeah, lean in.
I'm going to say si se puede.
Yes.
Would that be translated for me?
Yes, you can.
There you go.
Love that.
Rachel, Priscilla,
thanks for coming out and doing a little
live stream as we are here at CSM.
make a date five years from now oh
wow i want to see that in re
we'll catch up and i want to well
maybe in between there but i would like
to love to see the pressures but good
pressure right because it's what you want
to do yes that's true you're a pt
we set goals and then we uh we
want to you know meet the goal yeah
thanks for stopping by and telling us that
yeah thank you