WEBVTT 00:00:00.049 --> 00:00:04.339 John, I'll text you in a little bit. 00:00:04.359 --> 00:00:07.907 Where are you staying? 00:00:07.966 --> 00:00:09.230 All right, I'll text you. 00:00:12.724 --> 00:00:13.885 All right, live from Anaheim, 00:00:14.785 --> 00:00:15.547 let's kick this off. 00:00:15.807 --> 00:00:17.388 Episode brought to you by Empower EMR. 00:00:17.428 --> 00:00:18.908 If your clinic is stuck in an EMR 00:00:18.928 --> 00:00:19.768 that slows you down, look, 00:00:19.789 --> 00:00:20.789 there are logos on the screen. 00:00:21.710 --> 00:00:22.530 That is a choice. 00:00:22.670 --> 00:00:24.611 Empower gives you speed, clean workflows, 00:00:24.652 --> 00:00:26.452 and features PTs actually asked for. 00:00:26.893 --> 00:00:28.634 Better notes, faster documentation, 00:00:28.653 --> 00:00:29.993 and smooth operations. 00:00:30.375 --> 00:00:31.614 All wrapped up in customer support that 00:00:31.635 --> 00:00:32.295 doesn't ghost you. 00:00:32.636 --> 00:00:34.216 Upgrade your clinic's brain with Empower 00:00:34.317 --> 00:00:34.676 EMR. 00:00:34.737 --> 00:00:38.279 Find them online at EmpowerEMR.com. 00:00:39.359 --> 00:00:41.081 Accountability sounds simple until you 00:00:41.100 --> 00:00:42.802 realize how uncomfortable it can be. 00:00:43.082 --> 00:00:44.664 Our next guest works in the intersection 00:00:44.685 --> 00:00:47.087 of education, high-level athletics, 00:00:47.527 --> 00:00:48.668 and clinical decision-making, 00:00:48.969 --> 00:00:50.930 and he's not afraid to challenge how we 00:00:50.970 --> 00:00:52.893 hold ourselves and our patients to high 00:00:52.912 --> 00:00:53.234 standards. 00:00:53.594 --> 00:00:54.715 Live from Anaheim at CSM, Eric Bellum. 00:00:54.734 --> 00:00:55.555 Welcome back to the show, man. 00:00:55.595 --> 00:00:55.756 Hello. 00:00:55.776 --> 00:00:56.197 Thanks to you. 00:00:56.216 --> 00:00:56.676 Thanks for having me. 00:00:59.619 --> 00:01:00.420 So you're from St. 00:01:00.500 --> 00:01:01.280 Louis, the Billikens. 00:01:01.320 --> 00:01:01.701 Correct. 00:01:01.740 --> 00:01:03.682 What league is the Billikens in now? 00:01:03.722 --> 00:01:04.763 What conference are they? 00:01:04.784 --> 00:01:05.884 They are in the Atlantic Ten. 00:01:05.924 --> 00:01:06.204 Right. 00:01:06.405 --> 00:01:08.085 And that was new-ish. 00:01:08.105 --> 00:01:08.926 I mean, it's been a while, 00:01:09.087 --> 00:01:10.007 but I went to St. 00:01:10.027 --> 00:01:10.548 Bonaventure. 00:01:10.587 --> 00:01:11.789 Oh, you're a Bonnie. 00:01:12.968 --> 00:01:13.870 I apologize for that. 00:01:13.969 --> 00:01:15.131 I remember when St. 00:01:15.150 --> 00:01:16.010 Louis joined. 00:01:16.731 --> 00:01:17.272 Of course. 00:01:17.371 --> 00:01:17.512 I mean, 00:01:17.572 --> 00:01:18.733 I feel like I knew all the Atlantic 00:01:18.753 --> 00:01:19.253 Ten teams. 00:01:19.332 --> 00:01:20.412 I was going to school there for four 00:01:20.433 --> 00:01:20.632 years. 00:01:20.653 --> 00:01:21.653 You know who your rivals are. 00:01:21.852 --> 00:01:23.013 You know who their mascots are. 00:01:23.034 --> 00:01:24.513 I remember just being like, a Billiken? 00:01:24.534 --> 00:01:24.614 What? 00:01:24.634 --> 00:01:24.713 Yeah, 00:01:25.114 --> 00:01:26.954 and they're not in the Atlantic either. 00:01:27.015 --> 00:01:27.795 They're in the Midwest. 00:01:28.375 --> 00:01:28.614 Right. 00:01:28.635 --> 00:01:29.075 Correct. 00:01:29.094 --> 00:01:29.694 It's the Atlantic Ten. 00:01:30.474 --> 00:01:30.855 And I'm like, 00:01:30.915 --> 00:01:32.236 I'm checking where the Atlantic is. 00:01:33.456 --> 00:01:35.177 So how do you always get this? 00:01:35.316 --> 00:01:36.796 I get asked, what the hell's a Bonnie? 00:01:36.917 --> 00:01:38.697 What's a Billiken? 00:01:38.757 --> 00:01:39.237 I think it's cool. 00:01:39.298 --> 00:01:40.317 It's also a dope logo. 00:01:40.498 --> 00:01:40.798 Yeah, it is. 00:01:41.097 --> 00:01:41.237 Well, 00:01:41.298 --> 00:01:42.718 now it used to be a very like 00:01:42.778 --> 00:01:43.879 cartoonish looking logo. 00:01:43.959 --> 00:01:46.661 So it has changed since, well, 00:01:46.700 --> 00:01:48.620 since I graduated and then rejoined. 00:01:49.462 --> 00:01:51.742 So the Billiken ironically is a Buddhist 00:01:52.162 --> 00:01:53.822 good luck symbol at a Catholic Jesuit 00:01:53.903 --> 00:01:54.343 university. 00:01:54.364 --> 00:01:54.804 Of course. 00:01:55.103 --> 00:01:56.905 And it stands for the way things ought 00:01:56.944 --> 00:01:57.325 to be. 00:01:57.584 --> 00:01:59.426 So it's kind of this guiding principle for 00:01:59.525 --> 00:02:02.746 us at SLU that we work towards the 00:02:02.766 --> 00:02:04.947 way things ought to be with our patients, 00:02:04.968 --> 00:02:06.528 with our classes, with our students, 00:02:06.567 --> 00:02:07.308 with our community. 00:02:08.109 --> 00:02:09.810 So we're always working towards that kind 00:02:09.849 --> 00:02:10.270 of ideal. 00:02:10.409 --> 00:02:11.009 I like that. 00:02:11.129 --> 00:02:12.110 Once I did the research, I was like, 00:02:12.129 --> 00:02:12.991 all right, I'll allow it. 00:02:13.010 --> 00:02:14.031 But it's a cool looking gargoyle. 00:02:14.330 --> 00:02:15.091 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:02:15.311 --> 00:02:16.831 They named it after we used to have 00:02:16.852 --> 00:02:17.831 a football team, apparently. 00:02:18.331 --> 00:02:20.312 And our coach looked like a Billiken. 00:02:20.332 --> 00:02:22.453 So a short, stumpy guy with pointy ears. 00:02:22.973 --> 00:02:25.394 And that's how back in the nineteen tens. 00:02:25.693 --> 00:02:26.074 Yeah. 00:02:26.234 --> 00:02:26.914 Don't quote me on that. 00:02:26.995 --> 00:02:28.555 That's how we became the Billikens. 00:02:28.694 --> 00:02:28.875 St. 00:02:28.895 --> 00:02:29.877 Bonaventure is so small. 00:02:29.937 --> 00:02:31.177 We haven't had a football team since the 00:02:31.218 --> 00:02:31.919 nineteen tens. 00:02:32.219 --> 00:02:34.823 And I sort of got in trouble at 00:02:34.842 --> 00:02:36.025 school because I would I was an 00:02:36.085 --> 00:02:36.605 entrepreneur. 00:02:37.787 --> 00:02:39.590 We figured there was a shop in town 00:02:39.610 --> 00:02:40.790 that would make T-shirts for us. 00:02:40.811 --> 00:02:43.855 And I made unofficial official merch that 00:02:43.876 --> 00:02:44.496 said like St. 00:02:44.515 --> 00:02:45.777 Bonaventure football undefeated since 00:02:45.818 --> 00:02:46.419 nineteen twelve. 00:02:46.579 --> 00:02:48.739 Yeah, we have the same thing from people. 00:02:48.758 --> 00:02:50.919 But I did not have permission to use 00:02:50.960 --> 00:02:51.340 the logo, 00:02:51.400 --> 00:02:52.400 so I got brought to an office and 00:02:52.419 --> 00:02:54.100 was told, just stop doing that. 00:02:54.181 --> 00:02:55.080 Yeah, just don't use the logo. 00:02:55.121 --> 00:02:55.800 Just don't use the logo. 00:02:55.820 --> 00:02:57.080 I'm like, oh, okay, cool. 00:02:57.121 --> 00:02:57.961 Yeah, we just say St. 00:02:58.001 --> 00:02:59.342 Louis undefeated in football. 00:02:59.502 --> 00:03:00.861 So it's not a university. 00:03:00.882 --> 00:03:02.222 You can't stop us from doing that. 00:03:02.241 --> 00:03:02.401 St. 00:03:02.442 --> 00:03:04.443 Louis doesn't have a pro football team now 00:03:04.483 --> 00:03:04.742 either. 00:03:04.782 --> 00:03:05.522 Oh, yeah, 00:03:05.562 --> 00:03:06.802 you guys got rubbed into that too. 00:03:06.842 --> 00:03:07.743 Yeah, we're not going to talk about that. 00:03:07.764 --> 00:03:07.984 All right, 00:03:08.003 --> 00:03:11.743 so where do PTs confuse being supportive 00:03:12.324 --> 00:03:14.224 with avoiding accountability? 00:03:14.775 --> 00:03:14.955 Yeah, 00:03:14.974 --> 00:03:16.195 so that I think is one of the 00:03:16.235 --> 00:03:17.657 challenging things that we talk about 00:03:17.676 --> 00:03:20.198 within our classroom is how do we get 00:03:20.258 --> 00:03:22.959 you to be a supportive physical therapist 00:03:22.979 --> 00:03:24.620 but yet hold your patients accountable? 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:26.580 Like when you go to a physician's office, 00:03:26.661 --> 00:03:27.981 if you don't take your medicine, 00:03:28.181 --> 00:03:29.582 they're like, what are you doing here? 00:03:30.182 --> 00:03:31.764 As a PT, we should ask, hey, 00:03:31.783 --> 00:03:33.164 you're not doing your home exercises. 00:03:33.625 --> 00:03:34.444 What's going on? 00:03:35.725 --> 00:03:37.366 And I think we've been too much of 00:03:37.407 --> 00:03:39.288 the nice guy for both of our patients 00:03:39.307 --> 00:03:40.188 in the health care system. 00:03:41.365 --> 00:03:43.205 In this world of evolution where we have 00:03:43.246 --> 00:03:45.385 to think about our reimbursement rates, 00:03:45.445 --> 00:03:47.426 we gotta start thinking about how do we 00:03:47.526 --> 00:03:49.287 create accountability for ourselves, 00:03:49.766 --> 00:03:50.527 for our patients, 00:03:50.907 --> 00:03:52.788 so that we can make the best out 00:03:52.807 --> 00:03:53.709 of the time we have with them. 00:03:53.748 --> 00:03:56.568 So what are steps to do that? 00:03:56.609 --> 00:03:58.009 Because the opposite of being the nice guy 00:03:58.030 --> 00:03:59.030 is being like the jerk. 00:03:59.110 --> 00:04:00.330 I'm sure we don't wanna do that. 00:04:00.431 --> 00:04:00.711 Correct. 00:04:00.730 --> 00:04:01.670 So how do you do it well? 00:04:02.070 --> 00:04:02.270 Yeah. 00:04:02.311 --> 00:04:04.292 So I call it a coming to Jesus 00:04:04.332 --> 00:04:05.993 moment where it's like we have a sit 00:04:06.033 --> 00:04:06.913 down and I'm just like, OK, 00:04:06.993 --> 00:04:08.694 so help me understand here. 00:04:08.735 --> 00:04:09.776 Your time's worth something. 00:04:10.096 --> 00:04:11.076 My time's worth something. 00:04:11.556 --> 00:04:12.557 If we're not going to put the effort 00:04:12.717 --> 00:04:12.877 in. 00:04:12.897 --> 00:04:12.978 Yeah. 00:04:14.058 --> 00:04:15.058 Do you think this is worth it? 00:04:15.280 --> 00:04:15.439 Right. 00:04:15.479 --> 00:04:16.860 And you might not like that answer. 00:04:16.920 --> 00:04:18.060 And that's the part that I had to 00:04:18.100 --> 00:04:18.641 like stomach. 00:04:19.983 --> 00:04:20.122 But. 00:04:20.742 --> 00:04:22.384 it kind of brings that like, OK, 00:04:22.704 --> 00:04:23.706 where are we going with this? 00:04:24.487 --> 00:04:25.887 And you have to be willing to answer 00:04:25.908 --> 00:04:26.908 that question to yourself. 00:04:26.968 --> 00:04:27.309 Correct. 00:04:27.468 --> 00:04:28.951 Because, you know, 00:04:28.971 --> 00:04:30.471 while there's not a ton of like literature 00:04:30.512 --> 00:04:31.052 behind this, 00:04:31.112 --> 00:04:32.314 but it makes us have to know the 00:04:32.334 --> 00:04:32.673 literature, 00:04:32.694 --> 00:04:34.435 because if you're just going through step 00:04:34.456 --> 00:04:35.416 by step cookbooking, 00:04:35.476 --> 00:04:36.197 everybody like 00:04:36.697 --> 00:04:38.879 well what are you doing there why are 00:04:38.918 --> 00:04:41.819 you creating a positive experience for 00:04:41.839 --> 00:04:44.321 this patient so i like to just start 00:04:44.360 --> 00:04:46.180 it off with even like first day eval 00:04:46.221 --> 00:04:47.802 i'm like hey i'm gonna be honest with 00:04:47.822 --> 00:04:50.403 you you be honest with me uh and 00:04:50.423 --> 00:04:51.923 we're gonna get through this together like 00:04:51.983 --> 00:04:53.283 it is this is a team effort i'm 00:04:53.324 --> 00:04:54.663 not telling you what to do you're gonna 00:04:54.684 --> 00:04:56.605 help me figure out this as well uh 00:04:57.045 --> 00:04:58.785 and we're gonna just push forward i like 00:04:58.824 --> 00:05:00.846 the the first three words you said which 00:05:00.906 --> 00:05:02.966 is help me understand yeah which 00:05:04.197 --> 00:05:05.418 It's just a life hack. 00:05:06.279 --> 00:05:07.240 It's not accusatory. 00:05:07.281 --> 00:05:07.661 It's like, hey, 00:05:07.680 --> 00:05:09.423 I'm here to think about what it actually 00:05:09.442 --> 00:05:09.663 says. 00:05:09.742 --> 00:05:10.504 I'm here to understand. 00:05:11.004 --> 00:05:11.524 What am I missing? 00:05:11.805 --> 00:05:13.706 Hey, man, lost my job. 00:05:14.007 --> 00:05:15.228 Oh, got it. 00:05:15.288 --> 00:05:15.449 Hey, 00:05:15.728 --> 00:05:18.011 now we have a different thing in the 00:05:18.031 --> 00:05:18.411 equation. 00:05:18.651 --> 00:05:19.752 Now that I understand that, 00:05:20.093 --> 00:05:21.074 how can I be helpful? 00:05:21.274 --> 00:05:21.473 Correct. 00:05:21.494 --> 00:05:23.675 But just assuming, and what's the label? 00:05:23.735 --> 00:05:24.916 Patient is noncompliant. 00:05:25.637 --> 00:05:26.978 That's lazy on our part, right? 00:05:27.158 --> 00:05:27.918 Yeah, exactly. 00:05:28.079 --> 00:05:29.959 Did you need due diligence or research to 00:05:29.999 --> 00:05:30.619 figure out why? 00:05:31.059 --> 00:05:32.060 No, just didn't do it. 00:05:32.259 --> 00:05:33.259 Yeah, we're all humans, right? 00:05:33.459 --> 00:05:35.079 We have to understand where they're coming 00:05:35.120 --> 00:05:37.521 from as well because I think it's part 00:05:37.560 --> 00:05:38.341 of a problem when we say, hey, 00:05:38.360 --> 00:05:39.420 you've got to come three times a week. 00:05:40.100 --> 00:05:41.382 Do they have the capacity to do that? 00:05:41.422 --> 00:05:42.461 Do they have the funds to do that? 00:05:42.482 --> 00:05:43.622 Do you have child care for that? 00:05:43.661 --> 00:05:44.721 Do you have a ride for that? 00:05:44.762 --> 00:05:45.802 Do you have the money for that? 00:05:45.963 --> 00:05:47.502 And is it actually best practice? 00:05:47.723 --> 00:05:48.963 I would probably argue no. 00:05:49.103 --> 00:05:50.884 So where are we going as a profession? 00:05:51.624 --> 00:05:53.446 between this crossroads of like, okay, 00:05:53.466 --> 00:05:54.766 we're coming out with more student debt, 00:05:54.846 --> 00:05:55.968 we're getting less reimbursed. 00:05:56.307 --> 00:05:57.850 I think it's time now to reflect and 00:05:57.870 --> 00:05:58.690 say, hey, 00:05:58.711 --> 00:06:00.132 how do we change this profession moving 00:06:00.172 --> 00:06:00.492 forward? 00:06:00.572 --> 00:06:02.213 Yeah, I think it's a good time. 00:06:03.821 --> 00:06:05.041 we love milestones, right? 00:06:05.262 --> 00:06:06.802 The profession turned a hundred just a few 00:06:06.822 --> 00:06:07.302 years ago. 00:06:07.322 --> 00:06:08.062 It's like, well, 00:06:08.083 --> 00:06:09.862 if we're doing the same thing or something 00:06:09.903 --> 00:06:11.264 similar that we did a hundred years ago, 00:06:11.624 --> 00:06:12.824 some things are good to stick around, 00:06:13.223 --> 00:06:14.144 not all things. 00:06:14.425 --> 00:06:16.165 So what do we do to evolve and 00:06:16.204 --> 00:06:16.766 do those things? 00:06:16.786 --> 00:06:18.545 Those are good reflection moments. 00:06:18.865 --> 00:06:19.005 Yeah. 00:06:19.026 --> 00:06:19.646 And it's, I mean, 00:06:20.007 --> 00:06:21.307 hopefully we're not being the same. 00:06:21.346 --> 00:06:22.208 We were five years ago. 00:06:22.267 --> 00:06:22.468 Right. 00:06:22.487 --> 00:06:22.927 So that's, 00:06:23.367 --> 00:06:25.071 That's a big component of figuring out 00:06:25.511 --> 00:06:26.552 where we want to be as a profession. 00:06:26.593 --> 00:06:27.694 So going internal, 00:06:27.894 --> 00:06:29.877 what do you think is one standard physical 00:06:29.916 --> 00:06:32.380 therapist should raise for themselves 00:06:32.480 --> 00:06:32.802 first? 00:06:33.322 --> 00:06:33.983 Where do we start? 00:06:34.023 --> 00:06:34.663 If you're like, okay, 00:06:35.105 --> 00:06:36.447 how do I do this? 00:06:37.567 --> 00:06:38.449 If it's not in the workflow, 00:06:38.470 --> 00:06:39.230 I'm never going to do it. 00:06:39.536 --> 00:06:39.737 Yeah, 00:06:39.797 --> 00:06:43.038 so I think one standard is thinking about 00:06:43.197 --> 00:06:44.379 each patient as a human. 00:06:44.619 --> 00:06:44.819 Like, 00:06:44.999 --> 00:06:46.499 I think sometimes we get caught up and 00:06:46.579 --> 00:06:47.860 we got fifteen patients. 00:06:47.879 --> 00:06:48.459 The schedule. 00:06:48.540 --> 00:06:49.240 Yeah, we got this. 00:06:49.360 --> 00:06:50.420 You know, I got to get this done. 00:06:50.461 --> 00:06:51.261 I got to get this done. 00:06:51.321 --> 00:06:53.122 But then asking the question, 00:06:53.161 --> 00:06:54.601 what does this patient actually need from 00:06:54.622 --> 00:06:55.122 me today? 00:06:56.062 --> 00:06:58.002 Because there are times we've had those 00:06:58.062 --> 00:06:59.363 patients that walk in and they just look 00:06:59.944 --> 00:07:00.423 drowned. 00:07:00.564 --> 00:07:01.944 Like you're like, man, what's going on? 00:07:01.964 --> 00:07:02.625 And they're like, hey. 00:07:03.386 --> 00:07:04.747 like got broken up with and you're like, 00:07:04.867 --> 00:07:05.788 Ooh, that's a, 00:07:05.908 --> 00:07:07.509 that's a different plan changed. 00:07:07.569 --> 00:07:07.988 Correct. 00:07:08.009 --> 00:07:09.129 Like should, should anyway. 00:07:09.149 --> 00:07:09.250 Right. 00:07:09.310 --> 00:07:09.689 Yeah. 00:07:09.709 --> 00:07:09.810 Yeah. 00:07:09.829 --> 00:07:11.690 That's that internal load that I can't 00:07:11.711 --> 00:07:12.052 affect. 00:07:12.091 --> 00:07:12.232 Right. 00:07:12.291 --> 00:07:14.552 I can affect an external load to them, 00:07:14.632 --> 00:07:16.233 but I can't affect their internal load. 00:07:16.254 --> 00:07:18.896 So I think the easiest step is one, 00:07:18.935 --> 00:07:21.456 just stepping back and realizing that 00:07:21.497 --> 00:07:23.098 we're not the only ones in their world. 00:07:23.579 --> 00:07:24.879 It's very easy within our clinic, 00:07:24.899 --> 00:07:26.781 within our busy schedule to think that and 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:27.380 think, why aren't you, 00:07:27.401 --> 00:07:28.562 why aren't you doing what I'm telling you? 00:07:28.622 --> 00:07:28.841 Right. 00:07:28.882 --> 00:07:31.343 Like start thinking what else is going on 00:07:31.382 --> 00:07:31.884 in their world. 00:07:32.004 --> 00:07:32.184 Yeah. 00:07:32.324 --> 00:07:33.345 That's that's easy. 00:07:33.384 --> 00:07:33.985 Step one. 00:07:34.065 --> 00:07:36.067 Step two is I like to think about 00:07:36.127 --> 00:07:38.370 having an accountability buddy at work. 00:07:38.430 --> 00:07:38.649 Right. 00:07:38.769 --> 00:07:39.591 Like, hey, 00:07:39.630 --> 00:07:41.132 have you looked at this article? 00:07:41.192 --> 00:07:42.213 Have you thought about this? 00:07:42.233 --> 00:07:43.374 Have you gone to this conference? 00:07:43.434 --> 00:07:45.016 Are you thinking about what you're doing? 00:07:45.055 --> 00:07:46.737 Because there's times that I again, 00:07:46.776 --> 00:07:49.059 you everybody gets in the motion and to 00:07:49.100 --> 00:07:50.841 have somebody be like, what was that for? 00:07:51.382 --> 00:07:52.523 And if you don't have an answer, 00:07:53.062 --> 00:07:54.103 like as a clinician, 00:07:54.163 --> 00:07:56.045 having students is great because you on 00:07:56.065 --> 00:07:57.166 your keeps you in check. 00:07:57.286 --> 00:07:58.708 Yeah, yeah, it makes you know your shit, 00:07:58.767 --> 00:07:58.927 right? 00:07:58.947 --> 00:07:59.507 Yeah. 00:07:59.567 --> 00:08:00.988 Yeah, like, what are you doing that for? 00:08:01.009 --> 00:08:02.490 And you're like, uh, 00:08:02.529 --> 00:08:03.831 because it looks cool. 00:08:03.930 --> 00:08:05.672 Like, you've got to have those answers. 00:08:05.732 --> 00:08:06.651 Because I couldn't think of anything 00:08:06.672 --> 00:08:07.853 better, and I did that. 00:08:07.973 --> 00:08:08.432 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:08:08.452 --> 00:08:09.834 So let me pause and think of something 00:08:09.874 --> 00:08:10.454 better to do. 00:08:10.574 --> 00:08:11.915 Yeah, so I think those are, like, 00:08:11.935 --> 00:08:13.555 the two easiest things, like, 00:08:14.055 --> 00:08:15.276 you can do tomorrow, right? 00:08:15.336 --> 00:08:16.557 Like, look at your patients and be like, 00:08:16.778 --> 00:08:18.759 okay, what am I missing with this human? 00:08:18.798 --> 00:08:21.199 Because the missing thing might be they're 00:08:21.240 --> 00:08:21.959 just not bought in. 00:08:22.120 --> 00:08:22.240 Yeah. 00:08:22.300 --> 00:08:23.860 Like, so is it worth it to them? 00:08:24.101 --> 00:08:24.422 Yeah. 00:08:24.661 --> 00:08:26.202 And then having an accountability buddy. 00:08:26.903 --> 00:08:29.625 that you can check yourself and be like, 00:08:29.985 --> 00:08:31.165 what's really going on here? 00:08:31.387 --> 00:08:31.887 Correct. 00:08:33.368 --> 00:08:35.509 What's something educators need to model 00:08:36.250 --> 00:08:37.932 better for students? 00:08:38.491 --> 00:08:38.893 Educate. 00:08:39.153 --> 00:08:40.874 I think it's the humility in itself. 00:08:41.835 --> 00:08:43.416 Not being the sage on stage all the 00:08:43.436 --> 00:08:45.638 time and right all the time. 00:08:45.837 --> 00:08:45.957 Yeah. 00:08:46.138 --> 00:08:47.840 I laugh because I walked into class this 00:08:47.860 --> 00:08:49.581 past week and I was like, guys, 00:08:50.041 --> 00:08:50.822 what day is today? 00:08:51.602 --> 00:08:52.243 It's Tuesday? 00:08:52.803 --> 00:08:52.884 Yeah. 00:08:53.668 --> 00:08:55.609 My kids didn't sleep like I'm up here 00:08:55.649 --> 00:08:57.809 struggling to like you're going to raise 00:08:57.830 --> 00:09:00.650 your hand when I start losing you and 00:09:00.671 --> 00:09:01.811 we're going to work through this together. 00:09:01.890 --> 00:09:02.350 Wow. 00:09:02.390 --> 00:09:05.292 So like I like to not think of 00:09:05.351 --> 00:09:07.152 myself as the sage on stage. 00:09:07.192 --> 00:09:07.412 Right. 00:09:07.751 --> 00:09:08.753 Like I tell them, like, 00:09:08.932 --> 00:09:09.932 I'm here to help you. 00:09:09.972 --> 00:09:10.873 You're here to help me. 00:09:10.952 --> 00:09:12.812 So if things aren't making sense, 00:09:13.494 --> 00:09:15.533 I need you to raise it up. 00:09:15.854 --> 00:09:16.014 Yeah. 00:09:16.053 --> 00:09:18.054 So it's I think that's and I would 00:09:18.075 --> 00:09:18.534 say most. 00:09:19.355 --> 00:09:21.417 teachers don't go into it wanting to be 00:09:21.456 --> 00:09:22.998 the sage but again they get busy too 00:09:23.038 --> 00:09:24.519 there's a lot of things going in academia 00:09:24.558 --> 00:09:27.280 that students don't know yeah that it's 00:09:27.302 --> 00:09:29.442 just easier so like again it's having that 00:09:29.503 --> 00:09:32.265 same check of like teaching's a skill i'm 00:09:32.285 --> 00:09:34.626 teaching my first how to podcast course 00:09:34.908 --> 00:09:37.529 for healthcare providers now i got fifteen 00:09:37.570 --> 00:09:39.812 years in radio ten as a podcaster i'm 00:09:39.831 --> 00:09:40.952 not a mathematician that's twenty five 00:09:40.972 --> 00:09:43.094 years doing this sort of thing yeah and 00:09:43.114 --> 00:09:44.575 when i'm teaching i'm still like 00:09:45.296 --> 00:09:45.957 Are they with me? 00:09:45.977 --> 00:09:46.700 Am I doing this right? 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:47.461 Am I talking too much? 00:09:47.480 --> 00:09:48.283 Am I talking not at all? 00:09:48.384 --> 00:09:49.485 Should I be asking them more questions? 00:09:49.505 --> 00:09:50.708 Should I be asking them less questions? 00:09:52.596 --> 00:09:53.477 It's not easy. 00:09:53.638 --> 00:09:53.918 No. 00:09:54.177 --> 00:09:55.538 And they're humans too, right? 00:09:55.578 --> 00:09:56.119 Correct. 00:09:56.318 --> 00:09:58.140 I mean, we both went to PT school, 00:09:58.181 --> 00:09:58.360 right? 00:09:58.400 --> 00:09:59.741 We know that feeling of like you sit 00:09:59.761 --> 00:10:00.761 in the back of the class and you're 00:10:00.782 --> 00:10:02.724 like, oh, yeah, okay. 00:10:02.783 --> 00:10:04.063 Like nobody's going to be perfect every 00:10:04.083 --> 00:10:04.365 day. 00:10:04.985 --> 00:10:05.345 Right. 00:10:05.384 --> 00:10:07.706 So teaching is challenging. 00:10:07.986 --> 00:10:08.147 I mean, 00:10:08.167 --> 00:10:09.648 at SLU we have classes of like ninety 00:10:09.807 --> 00:10:10.268 students. 00:10:10.408 --> 00:10:11.629 So to teach across that spectrum. 00:10:11.649 --> 00:10:12.649 You have ninety students? 00:10:12.690 --> 00:10:12.950 Yeah. 00:10:13.029 --> 00:10:13.811 In one class? 00:10:13.910 --> 00:10:14.091 Yeah. 00:10:14.211 --> 00:10:14.711 In one cohort? 00:10:14.770 --> 00:10:15.491 Yeah, one cohort. 00:10:15.692 --> 00:10:16.692 Wait a minute. 00:10:16.753 --> 00:10:18.394 You have a ninety student cohort? 00:10:18.614 --> 00:10:19.293 Yeah. 00:10:19.594 --> 00:10:21.134 We have ninety to about a hundred 00:10:21.174 --> 00:10:21.796 depending on... 00:10:22.596 --> 00:10:26.118 how they fall that's bananas yeah it's it 00:10:26.138 --> 00:10:28.979 sounds crazy i went through it and i've 00:10:29.058 --> 00:10:31.100 taught at other schools that have smaller 00:10:31.220 --> 00:10:33.301 ones there's pluses and minuses to both 00:10:33.360 --> 00:10:35.022 with that many kids there's that many 00:10:35.081 --> 00:10:36.902 other experiences there's that many 00:10:36.942 --> 00:10:39.683 chances to not get caught in a click 00:10:39.744 --> 00:10:43.544 there's not like we have resources because 00:10:43.585 --> 00:10:46.687 we're so large wow like so it don't 00:10:46.706 --> 00:10:47.126 be wrong it's a 00:10:51.849 --> 00:10:54.389 Yeah, that's a tough part. 00:10:54.450 --> 00:10:55.049 Hey, here's the thing. 00:10:55.090 --> 00:10:56.610 Whatever color shirt you wore on the first 00:10:56.669 --> 00:10:58.210 day, you're wearing that. 00:10:58.230 --> 00:10:59.110 You're a blue shirt guy. 00:10:59.130 --> 00:11:00.071 I'm going to remember you as a blue 00:11:00.091 --> 00:11:00.451 shirt guy. 00:11:00.471 --> 00:11:01.610 Yeah, I always tell people, 00:11:01.630 --> 00:11:02.910 if I don't know you by the end 00:11:02.931 --> 00:11:03.091 of the... 00:11:03.530 --> 00:11:04.611 The kids I know in the end of 00:11:04.631 --> 00:11:05.812 the first semester are the ones that... 00:11:05.851 --> 00:11:06.371 Ask questions. 00:11:07.251 --> 00:11:07.471 Yes, 00:11:07.491 --> 00:11:09.452 they ask questions or I don't want to 00:11:09.493 --> 00:11:10.092 know your name. 00:11:10.633 --> 00:11:11.952 It's both ends of the spectrum. 00:11:11.993 --> 00:11:14.254 But we try by putting them into groups 00:11:14.293 --> 00:11:15.173 and making them switch. 00:11:15.214 --> 00:11:17.653 So I have to learn that group and 00:11:18.094 --> 00:11:19.534 just kind of chipping away with it each 00:11:19.575 --> 00:11:19.815 time. 00:11:19.835 --> 00:11:20.274 Ninety. 00:11:21.363 --> 00:11:22.364 Dude, 00:11:22.423 --> 00:11:25.166 how does accountability matter more as 00:11:25.225 --> 00:11:26.748 healthcare keeps changing? 00:11:28.428 --> 00:11:31.110 I think that's a great question. 00:11:31.211 --> 00:11:32.712 I think the fact that we have to 00:11:32.793 --> 00:11:34.274 know we're changing and that we have to 00:11:34.313 --> 00:11:36.275 keep evolving and, again, 00:11:36.596 --> 00:11:38.518 that humility of, like, okay, 00:11:38.597 --> 00:11:39.859 we've been a profession for a hundred 00:11:39.899 --> 00:11:40.318 years. 00:11:40.860 --> 00:11:41.100 Like, 00:11:41.559 --> 00:11:42.640 what's the next thing that's coming out? 00:11:42.681 --> 00:11:44.462 We're going to talk about AI here. 00:11:44.722 --> 00:11:45.082 A lot. 00:11:45.203 --> 00:11:45.744 A lot. 00:11:45.764 --> 00:11:46.244 Should be. 00:11:46.365 --> 00:11:46.644 Right? 00:11:47.304 --> 00:11:47.525 Like... 00:11:48.644 --> 00:11:50.184 Why do, like, 00:11:50.264 --> 00:11:52.726 let's not be grumpy old people and be 00:11:52.767 --> 00:11:53.607 like, ah, 00:11:53.648 --> 00:11:54.769 AI is trying to take our job. 00:11:55.408 --> 00:11:57.551 Maybe AI is trying to help us, right? 00:11:57.591 --> 00:11:59.852 Maybe this is how we work on productivity. 00:12:00.432 --> 00:12:02.434 Like, I don't have that answer, but, like, 00:12:02.735 --> 00:12:04.797 we have to not get caught back. 00:12:05.216 --> 00:12:07.798 and grumpy and ignore it correct dude like 00:12:07.817 --> 00:12:09.977 i remember watching metallica on stage 00:12:10.018 --> 00:12:11.538 when napster was a thing and they're like 00:12:11.619 --> 00:12:13.438 you can't do this i'm like my man 00:12:13.940 --> 00:12:15.860 kids in basements are downloading music 00:12:16.019 --> 00:12:17.780 it's happening yeah and then you got a 00:12:17.801 --> 00:12:19.221 guy like dave girl from the foo fighters 00:12:19.260 --> 00:12:20.961 who was just like what am i gonna 00:12:20.981 --> 00:12:22.162 do about it he's like play more live 00:12:22.182 --> 00:12:24.143 shows like you can't download a live you 00:12:24.163 --> 00:12:25.763 know you can't download an experience so 00:12:25.783 --> 00:12:27.703 be more experienced teach you know give 00:12:27.744 --> 00:12:28.663 more that evolve 00:12:29.203 --> 00:12:31.144 yeah it's it's a that's i think is 00:12:31.585 --> 00:12:33.385 we have to be accountable to our ability 00:12:33.426 --> 00:12:35.427 to evolve to the patient that's in front 00:12:35.447 --> 00:12:37.148 of us because we all can appreciate the 00:12:37.207 --> 00:12:39.168 next generation that's coming up has 00:12:39.548 --> 00:12:42.429 different things that we have to deal with 00:12:42.470 --> 00:12:43.471 i was saying this earlier today it's a 00:12:43.551 --> 00:12:45.491 rubik's cube on a rubik's cube yeah 00:12:45.532 --> 00:12:47.332 students are a different part of life but 00:12:47.352 --> 00:12:48.774 they're also from a different generation 00:12:48.974 --> 00:12:50.453 raised on different things they're 00:12:50.494 --> 00:12:53.076 experiencing different parts of this life 00:12:53.096 --> 00:12:53.895 like you like 00:12:55.350 --> 00:12:56.711 I grew up and didn't know what a 00:12:56.730 --> 00:12:57.350 cell phone was, 00:12:57.370 --> 00:12:58.351 and then one day I did. 00:12:58.451 --> 00:13:00.452 There are kids who just never knew not. 00:13:00.732 --> 00:13:00.893 Well, 00:13:00.913 --> 00:13:02.933 and it's interesting because we're getting 00:13:02.953 --> 00:13:04.995 a lot more of our first generation 00:13:05.034 --> 00:13:05.475 students. 00:13:05.696 --> 00:13:05.895 Yeah. 00:13:06.155 --> 00:13:06.995 Oh, yeah, yeah. 00:13:07.135 --> 00:13:08.956 It's great to see all the different 00:13:09.217 --> 00:13:09.597 components. 00:13:09.618 --> 00:13:10.918 Again, so back to ninety kids, 00:13:11.379 --> 00:13:12.860 when I have kids from all walks of 00:13:12.899 --> 00:13:13.220 life, 00:13:13.899 --> 00:13:14.899 and I ask a question, 00:13:15.299 --> 00:13:17.541 you see some of that like, oh, 00:13:17.921 --> 00:13:19.500 I never thought of it that way because 00:13:19.980 --> 00:13:21.581 now they have a student that grew up 00:13:21.621 --> 00:13:23.201 in Mexico, grew up in Africa, 00:13:23.581 --> 00:13:25.562 grew up in Japan or South Korea. 00:13:26.722 --> 00:13:27.562 That to me, 00:13:27.863 --> 00:13:29.244 when I learn that about my students and 00:13:29.303 --> 00:13:31.783 I encourage them to explain that 00:13:31.823 --> 00:13:32.384 experience, 00:13:33.024 --> 00:13:34.845 only makes us richer as healthcare 00:13:34.865 --> 00:13:35.644 clinicians and people. 00:13:35.725 --> 00:13:36.085 That's cool. 00:13:36.105 --> 00:13:36.644 All right, 00:13:36.664 --> 00:13:37.404 we have a tradition on the show. 00:13:37.445 --> 00:13:39.645 It's called The Parting Show. 00:13:41.147 --> 00:13:43.227 This is The Parting Shot. 00:13:43.727 --> 00:13:45.129 One last mic drop moment. 00:13:45.809 --> 00:13:46.610 No pressure. 00:13:47.051 --> 00:13:49.152 Just your legacy on the line. 00:13:50.373 --> 00:13:51.573 Parting Shot brought to you by U.S. 00:13:51.614 --> 00:13:52.434 Physical Therapy, 00:13:52.475 --> 00:13:54.417 a nationwide network of clinics focused on 00:13:54.437 --> 00:13:55.256 developing clinicians. 00:13:55.277 --> 00:13:56.177 We're at their booth right now. 00:13:57.119 --> 00:13:58.240 Leadership tracks, mentorship, 00:13:58.259 --> 00:13:59.640 career growth, and long-term stability. 00:13:59.760 --> 00:13:59.961 U.S. 00:13:59.980 --> 00:14:01.822 Physical Therapy supports PTs who want to 00:14:01.863 --> 00:14:04.565 build real futures in this profession of 00:14:04.644 --> 00:14:05.365 physical therapy. 00:14:05.725 --> 00:14:08.849 USPH.com, that is USPH.com. 00:14:08.948 --> 00:14:09.649 Eric, Parting Shot, 00:14:09.669 --> 00:14:10.389 what do you want to leave with the 00:14:10.429 --> 00:14:11.370 audience to wrap up? 00:14:11.471 --> 00:14:12.672 An idea, concept, quote, 00:14:12.692 --> 00:14:13.312 whatever you want to do. 00:14:13.413 --> 00:14:14.894 Yeah, I think at this point, 00:14:15.014 --> 00:14:16.995 it's just continue to grow, right? 00:14:17.054 --> 00:14:18.696 Like continue to help yourself grow, 00:14:18.775 --> 00:14:20.736 continue to help people that are coming up 00:14:20.777 --> 00:14:21.636 behind you grow. 00:14:21.677 --> 00:14:24.239 Like we're not meant to be this one 00:14:24.418 --> 00:14:26.919 island human that pulls everybody along, 00:14:27.000 --> 00:14:27.279 right? 00:14:27.379 --> 00:14:28.721 I think as healthcare providers, 00:14:29.100 --> 00:14:30.501 we're there to push, right? 00:14:30.542 --> 00:14:31.643 I want to push my students. 00:14:31.783 --> 00:14:32.942 I want to push my colleagues. 00:14:33.062 --> 00:14:35.764 I want to push the patients that walk 00:14:35.784 --> 00:14:36.304 through my door. 00:14:36.365 --> 00:14:37.725 Sometimes I want to push my kids. 00:14:38.346 --> 00:14:41.648 Like I think that component of like don't, 00:14:42.268 --> 00:14:43.729 leave the hungriness at home. 00:14:43.828 --> 00:14:45.350 Ooh, I like that. 00:14:46.051 --> 00:14:47.611 That's hard to do on some days. 00:14:47.772 --> 00:14:48.692 We can all appreciate that. 00:14:48.852 --> 00:14:52.495 But I have on my computer rotating 00:14:52.535 --> 00:14:52.956 messages. 00:14:52.975 --> 00:14:53.216 It's like, 00:14:53.256 --> 00:14:54.557 just because you're struggling doesn't 00:14:54.577 --> 00:14:55.278 mean you're failing. 00:14:55.759 --> 00:14:58.740 So just keep pushing as much as you 00:14:58.780 --> 00:14:59.020 can. 00:14:59.542 --> 00:15:00.682 Eric, appreciate you coming on the show. 00:15:00.802 --> 00:15:01.023 Yes. 00:15:01.082 --> 00:15:01.722 Go Billikens. 00:15:01.783 --> 00:15:02.244 Thank you. 00:15:02.524 --> 00:15:03.345 I will talk to you again soon, man.