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One of the most talked about leadership
sessions at CSM,
we're about to get into it.
We're talking about it.
Under the bannership of leadership and
innovation,
three physical therapists from radically
different career paths will now come
together like Voltron to make a bold
claim.
PTs already have the skills to lead.
We just haven't been trained to see it
yet.
in a session titled Leading with Care,
Developing Physical Therapists,
Potential in Healthcare Leadership, Todd,
Lindsay, and Kelly.
Connect the dots.
It was my favorite game when I was
a kid.
Between what PTs already do and are good
at in clinic and what's needed in
healthcare leadership today and tomorrow
and in the future.
From therapeutic alliance to emotional
intelligence,
from clinical reasoning to strategic
execution.
The session will lay out for you,
if you're coming to CSM,
and I hope you are,
how our profession can move beyond
treatment tables and into boardrooms,
startups, and systems level impact.
Today, we're joined by those speakers.
Let's welcome them to the show.
Todd, Kelly, Lindsey, welcome to the show.
Thanks for having us, Jimmy.
Thank you.
Super excited to be here.
I'm always curious,
because whenever there's three people with
different backgrounds,
and every good movie,
if you think about it,
is an origin story.
How'd this thing come about?
Who wants to say, all right,
here's how it's kind of like Three's
Company.
How did the Three's Company wind up
getting together to go to CSM?
All right,
Lindsay's going to take that one.
Yeah, so I'll take this.
So I was at a different conference earlier
this year,
the American College of Healthcare
Executives.
Oh, yeah.
And some of those listeners may be
familiar with that organization.
They have an annual conference called
Congress and attended the sessions,
spoke there,
and then I was on LinkedIn afterwards just
connecting with people who had attended
different sessions.
And I saw,
I believe it was a comment from Todd
on one of the threads, and I saw,
you know, P.T.,
And then I think I saw Kelly and
an MPT.
I'm like, holy crap.
Like there's PTs here.
Cause a lot of times in those spaces,
I felt kind of like an outsider, like,
oh,
who am I at this healthcare leadership
conference?
I'm a clinician.
Um,
but I found the more and more spaces
I got into the more clinical leaders I
found.
Um,
now primarily those tend to be physicians,
nurses, things like that.
Um,
and so I was so energized when I
ran into Todd and Kelly.
And I'm like, guys,
we got to bring a session to Congress
again in twenty six.
We got to present there and we have
to hit CSM.
And that's kind of how the origin story,
as you put it, began.
And so it's been really great to get
to know both of them.
Like you said,
radically different backgrounds.
So we're really pulling from all of our
different experiences and synthesizing it
together for a really great session.
All right.
And we'll get it for the audience.
We'll get into the session.
But any good podcast host,
I don't want to just ask a lazy
like, well, tell us about your background.
But since I teed it up and you
already you volunteered,
you started talking.
I said you have radically different
backgrounds.
What's yours specifically?
What's your two to three sentence sort of
superhero origin story?
Explain it.
So Army PT,
I was doing my clinical rotations before
applying to PT school,
saw an Army nurse on a billboard and
was like,
do they have physical therapists?
I Googled it.
Turns out they do, spoiler alert,
but I've been doing it for the past
fifteen years.
That's awesome.
All right.
So my next question will go with Kelly,
then Todd's with the same question.
Why'd you say yes?
Like, you know, Kelly, why were you like,
all right,
did you feel the same sort of Hey,
there's look at that same people with some
of the same letters?
Or why'd you jump in?
Why'd you say yes.
So I attended Lindsay's session at the
conference that she's mentioned,
and was really impressed with what she did
there.
So when she reached out,
I just thought, well,
this should be fun to work with.
Let's see where this goes.
And then as we talked,
and it was a great topic.
I think it's a great,
it's great information to share with
fellow PTs out there.
Some of it,
and as we develop the information,
I know I said several times,
I wish I would have had a talk
like this whenever I was a young new
PT.
And that's when you know you're onto
something, right?
It's like, wow, they always say, like,
write the book for you ten years ago
that you wish you had to get you
through the last ten years.
So before we go to Todd, though, Kelly,
what's your sort of background that comes
here that's not like Lindsay's at all?
So I have been in pediatrics my entire
career.
I was a pediatric physical therapist,
pretty much totally clinical the first
fifteen years of my career and then
transitioned into leadership this kind of
last half.
Okay,
so not a lot of babies in the
army,
but maybe we're going to be forward
thinking and then we'll have more of that
in the future.
Now we'll come to Todd.
Why'd you say yes, Todd?
I know a little bit about your background.
I know it's not like either of these
women.
I mean,
I just think it's so important because
I've ended up in leadership and I didn't
see it for myself.
Sort of like what Kelly was saying.
I didn't see it for myself.
And here I am at this conference and
saw this post about Lindsay and like,
whoa, there's another PT out here.
I feel like I'm the only one, right?
I'm like, oh gosh, there's other folks.
So let's connect and let's make this
happen.
And I actually think I told Lindsay and
Kelly when we came up with this idea
to do this presentation, like,
we're going to have one heck of a
story that this thing all started through
a LinkedIn comment that we all got
connected.
And that is, I mean,
I come from a comms background, right?
So when you have a hammer,
all you see in the world is nails.
You said the word story.
Those are the best presentations, right?
Story with a meaning,
not just up there to tell you about
something without the meaning.
That's why fairy tales, spoiler alert,
that's why fairy tales,
they're lessons wrapped in story, right?
So those, in my opinion,
those are some of the sessions if you
said, hey,
do you remember anything from CSM?
Actually, it's going to be full circle.
My first CSM was LA.
But do you remember anything?
The only ones I feel like I remember
are the ones where the presenters told
great stories.
So since there's three,
usually one-on-one interviews are pretty
good.
One-on-two,
we got one-on-three on this one.
So I'm gonna act like a hockey referee.
I'm gonna drop the puck and you guys
can fight who wants to answer first.
Start us off with your session.
We understand who's who in the zoo now.
What's the big message or messages you
want to deliver to PTs when we meet
up?
You guys are, by the way, Valentine's Day.
So I got to be honest,
if you want to make sure people like
you and give you good reviews,
maybe some candy, maybe some Valentine's.
That's just me throwing you some good
ideas.
But what's the big message you hope PTs
walk out of that room with after your
session?
not gonna lie a hundred percent was
thinking this morning i'm gonna have to
get some chocolates like presentation and
come with big bag of chocolates for
everybody so now i think i'm committed to
that if you heard this now i'm committed
to bringing that bag of chocolates to
anaheim
But since we're in LA,
I'm going to go and use a little
bit of an analogy from Hollywood and from
Disney in particular,
because we're literally down the street
from Disneyland at the conference.
And in the Disney world,
you have Star Wars now.
And if you think about Star Wars and
the Jedi,
they all are strong with the force, right?
It's something that's inherent in them.
But they have to be trained to become
Jedi Knights.
I think we are the same.
Once you're trained as a PT,
you have these skills,
whether it's building the therapeutic
alliance,
whether it's thinking strategically about
a care plan.
These are all transferable skills that can
make you a really great leader.
But you have to take a little bit
of training.
You have to take some time to walk
the path and develop yourself and
understand the skills that you have and
how it's transferable.
And that's where we're going.
We're going to show you what it is
that you already have as a PT that
you can leverage to become a great leader
in your organization.
When people hire me for communications
projects, I'm like, hey,
thanks for paying me lots of money.
Spoiler alert,
the ideas that I'm going to give you
are already in the room.
I'm just going to pull them out.
But that's I feel like part of your
message,
which is like these things that you maybe
don't understand to be so powerful or
transferable or important other places are
and you already have them.
And then I realized, Todd,
I skipped over your superhero origin
story.
I want people to understand where you're
coming from, too.
So let's do that right now.
Sure.
Neither the Army nor pediatrics,
although my wife is a pediatric PT.
I started down the orthopedic and sports
path, did my residency and everything,
and then about five, six years in,
and I work in Silicon Valley,
so you interact with folks that are in
the tech space.
I met some folks that were interested in
doing a physical therapy-related startup
and said, that seems interesting to me.
I'm going to go and do that.
That was back in in and still at
that today in the health tech space.
Love that.
All right.
So one of the core points is that
PTs already have leadership skills.
They just don't realize it.
What clinical strengths translate
directly, not indirectly,
but directly to leading teams or
organizations or being successful
somewhere outside the clinic?
Kelly,
I feel like you said my first first
fifteen years were clinical and then not.
So we'll start with you.
what clinical skills or clinical strengths
translate directly that maybe you knew or
didn't know,
but all of a sudden you realize, oh,
I've done this before just with babies.
Oh, sure.
Well,
so when you work with babies and children,
you're also working with parents and
caregivers.
So you've got a lot of educating,
a lot of training, a lot of,
I think we have inherent motivation
skills.
We have some inherent sort of sales skills
in order to get buy-in and compliance.
I think even before that, though,
we have to establish structure
We have to establish trust and in
collaboration with the parents
specifically.
And I think we do a lot of
that in leadership as well.
Yeah.
All right.
Same questions for Lindsay too.
We'll come back to you.
What do you think of those skills that,
hey, look at this.
This actually works here well.
So the first thing I like to do
when I meet a new patient is to
understand them and where they're at.
Where are they at?
Where do they want to go?
And what are the barriers to get there?
And I think extrapolating that more
broadly into a leadership space,
that's all that we're doing.
And so that's really where this clinical
care as your roadmap to leadership began,
because it was like, Hey,
like the things that we do in a
clinical session where we establish
rapport,
we build the trust that Kelly was talking
about.
We problem solve, diagnose,
build shared understanding.
What's our action plan.
How do I motivate them,
get them committed to it?
And then how do we monitor and adjust?
So that's really the roadmap to your
clinical success and also your success
more broadly as a leader.
So that's where we're drawing parallels
from between those really kind of hallmark
things that make a physical therapist
successful.
And that also translates to successful
leadership.
Yeah.
Military, working with kids and sports.
I feel like there's so many sports
analogies,
our business analogies or business
analogies, our sports analogies.
So Todd,
you came from the world of sort of
sports physical therapy.
Was it as obvious for you or did
you figure out what you showed up outside
of the sports realm?
I certainly think I took a lot of
inspiration from sports in my leadership
journey and understanding what does it
mean to be a team captain?
What does that mean?
What does the team captain do?
What's their role on the team?
How do they lead the team from that
position?
But at the end of the day,
I think Lindsay said some of this so
well is all these different things that we
do as PTs.
The one thing I think I'll add that
we're going to talk about in Anaheim is
hope, bringing hope.
Because as PTs,
when we work with our patients,
a lot of it is we're giving them
hope.
We're giving them hope they're going to
recover from their injury and they're
going to move forward.
They're going to restore their function
that they had.
They're going to be able to do the
things that they did before they had
whatever injury or condition they were
coming to see us for.
And that's important in the organization
as well.
As a leader,
you have to have the ability to inspire.
You have to have the ability to give
hope to the folks that are following you,
the people that you're leading,
so that you can ultimately achieve the
goals of the team of the organization.
So we'll talk a little bit about that.
I think that's something that is easy to
overlook,
but it's also very much a core competency
of what we do as PTs.
Yeah.
The phrase that I don't know if I
realized before I was in PT school,
maybe I just had no concept of failure
and just decided I was going to do
something was imposter syndrome.
I feel like something's been brought up
that sort of has been brought up a
couple times like, hey,
I didn't realize I was allowed to be
here.
I know I've thought that and said that
several times.
How do you coach?
others or self-coach yourself through that
since you are as one of the friend
of my podcast rebecca griffith says using
familiar skills in a non-familiar place
which is great for me especially because i
get to come tell the same jokes i
told for fifteen years in radio and
they're all new here because no one's
heard these gags right so how do you
coach yourself or others through maybe
some of those feelings uh lindsay you're
already nodding we'll start with you
Oh, sorry.
Yeah, this is kind of my bag.
That's what I spoke about at Congress
earlier, or I guess last year now,
on imposter syndrome.
So really to break it down,
because a lot of people might not know
what imposter syndrome means,
even though the phrase is thrown around,
but really it's the inability to believe
that your success is deserved.
You'll hear phrases commonly like,
I was just at the right place at
the right time, or I tricked them,
or they're going to find me out.
I really don't belong here.
But I would say to start coaching yourself
and others through imposter syndrome is to
really do a deep dive on who you
are as a person.
to understand what your strengths are,
what are your weaknesses and owning those
things.
And so actually during this session,
because we have ninety minutes,
we're going to be inviting the attendees
to engage in their own personal SWOT
analysis.
So looking at strengths, weaknesses,
opportunities and threats.
And for me personally,
when I come into a space,
I know what my strengths are and I
know what my weaknesses are.
And I own my weaknesses before anyone else
can own them for me.
And so I might come into a space
and be like, hey, guys,
I'm really good at this, this and this.
But hey, Kelly,
I see you're really strong here.
That's where I'm going to need a lot
of support.
And I own that.
I think that that shows a lot of
that you're reflecting on yourself,
that you're self-aware and you can turn
those weaknesses into strengths by doing.
by kind of shining a light on them.
And I think when you do that,
others are more likely to share their
weaknesses too.
So then you're really building like a
sustainable solution rather than all kind
of putting up fronts and being like, yeah,
we know what's going on,
but you're not really getting into like a
deep conversation on the problem at hand
and how we can build a best solution
forward.
So that's how I would coach myself and
others through is by that SWOT.
Yeah.
Kelly, let's go to you.
What's the focus?
What's the story?
What's the thing you hope people walk away
from your portion?
I don't know about it.
I don't know specifically just from my
portion, but I hope that...
that the PTs in attendance walk away just
kind of thinking about other things they
might be able to do outside of strict
clinical positions,
but also that recognizing that the skills
of the people in the room are needed
in leadership spaces,
that they bring value to those spaces,
that they bring diversity in
perspectives the experience and the lenses
that they look through and i think um
i mean in healthcare leadership
specifically we always like to see leaders
that have been in clinical shoes before um
why why is that valuable i think i
know but i want to hear why you
think that because i agree
again that perspective of the practicing
clinician those co-workers on the front
lines providers therapists kind of again
shifting and thinking away from
spreadsheets and what looks good on paper
what makes sense on paper to what what
actually translates to to real practice
Yeah.
Other things that we brought up in the
intro and that you can find when you're
perusing your APTA app,
which you should download beforehand.
This way you can...
I feel like there's three types of people.
We're recording this in January.
I'll probably release this.
I like to release it maybe a week
before people get on the plane.
This way they have something to download
while they're flying.
There's three types of people.
People who already know in January what
sessions they're going to on what day.
I can be friends with those people,
but I am not that person.
There are people who decide on the flight,
and there are people who decide four
minutes into a session.
And I am the second or third,
depends on that day.
But as we mentioned in the session
highlights, emotional intelligence,
courageous conversations that that's
really what you're going to highlight.
Is there a story that I don't want
you to give away the whole thing,
but we can do a movie trailer version.
Is there a story where those skills made
the difference in your own leadership
journeys that maybe you bring into,
or maybe you haven't thought to bring to
the presentation?
So I can,
I can jump on this one if you're
throwing down the puck.
Um, so for me,
my kind of origin story with, um,
Working through imposter syndrome was when
I attended a program through the Army,
which plug for people interested in
serving in the Army.
Lots of additional education
opportunities,
endless career advancements.
You're in leadership roles before you're
ready,
but that's where a lot of growth happens.
So if that piques your interest,
hit me up on LinkedIn.
Would love to discuss your future career
in military medicine.
But I was in a MBA,
MHA program in twenty nineteen.
And I remember the first day we were
doing introductions and one guy stood up
and was like,
I'm just here to learn what all those
providers are doing all day.
And I'm like, excuse you, sir.
I mean,
we're the ones actually doing the work.
So I just knew that my voice could
add value to those spaces where we didn't
have seats at the table.
And, you know,
I'm sure Kelly's experienced this and she
was
what was discussing this where it's like
those people in the rooms making the
decisions that impact us on the front
lines of healthcare and we're like who the
heck came up with this dumb idea and
they don't know how to actually translate
into actual clinical practice and it's
like we need to get seats in in
those tables in those rooms so that was
really put a fire under me to where
i'm like no i belong in this space
and i'm gonna i'm gonna bridge that gap
um between that so
I don't know if that's answering your
question because now I've just worked
myself into a tizzy,
but I get really passionate about the
topic.
I get it.
I get brought into situations.
My mom said it best when I was
trying hard to explain what I wanted to
do that didn't exist yet.
I sort of had the elements.
She just put it together.
She said,
you speak two languages fluently.
I had been on the creating...
you know, I hate the term like content,
right?
I've been communicating for my whole life.
And then I've been a clinician and went
through PT school and been in the clinic.
And now I was in the room full
of marketers for lack of a better term.
And I'm saying, Hey,
I see what you're trying to do,
but no PT would ever say that,
or they would never do that or look
at that, or that's a stock image.
I don't know what you're trying to do
there.
But then on the other side,
I could walk in through a room full
of clinicians and I'm like,
I see what you're trying to accomplish.
That's not the way if we just streamline
it down.
So I am able to jump between those
two rooms.
And I feel like that's sort of the
core of what both of what all three
of you were saying,
which is you take those familiar skill.
You can't you can't on.
I can't not look through the lens of
a former radio DJ.
Sorry, did it for fifteen years.
You can't take that.
You can take the guy out of the
studio.
But how do you yes and that?
And that's a multiplier, right?
That's good.
I mean,
you can't get fifteen years of radio
experience.
You can't get military clinical experience
in a weekend course.
You can't get it on Netflix of CEUs.
You can't do it.
And that's terribly valuable.
So it's so accurate as to be able
to be in that space to have the
experience as a clinician to have been on
the front lines and work with the
patients.
And then to elevate into the leadership
space where you can truly multiply your
impact.
And for me, day to day,
like that's the thing that I get excited
about in leadership and why I
enjoy what I do and I stick with
what I do.
Don't get me wrong,
I love seeing patients.
That was something that I truly enjoyed,
be able to have that impact one-to-one.
But when you look at leadership,
at least for me,
it's this opportunity to expand that
impact, to have a greater impact,
help more lives potentially through what I
do,
through how I lead my team and lead
my organization.
That's what gets me excited is taking what
I was doing before,
taking those skills that I built,
and then leveraging them in a different
way.
to have greater impact now this isn't this
is an imposter syndrome so this question
i'm not even sure what the term would
be but i felt sort of like guilty
that i said i was going to be
a pt i went through school i graduated
i promise i have a degree i passed
all the tests i got the little license
somewhere around here in a file and then
i was going to do this not
standard pt thing i was going to leave
the clinic after two years and i sort
of walked around looking for permission
and as we all know we know this
you don't really need it that's how this
world works you sort of just run around
do whatever you want within reason did any
of you face that too or am i
the only weirdo who was like i sort
of really want to do this other thing
but i feel sort of guilty for
looking at my colleagues or classmates in
the eye and being like, hey,
remember that thing we were all going to
do?
You're going to do it,
but I'm going to do this other thing.
And I still feel that to this day,
you know, ten years later.
I absolutely had that whenever I
transitioned into a leadership role.
I mean,
I think especially after doing it for
fifteen years and so focused on
pediatrics,
it was a little part of my identity.
And so I did feel that guilt.
I'm not sure who that guilt was directed
towards, but definitely felt that.
And then I had my kids in my
ears the past decade plus saying, Mom,
you're not really a PT anymore.
But I am.
So totally have felt that and lots of
ways I can rationalize that.
And I think like others, the way,
I mean,
the fulfillment I get is that I am
supporting many other PTs as well as many
other disciplines doing the work that they
do.
I mean,
one of the biggest parts of my day
is blocking and tackling, right?
So that they can be successful in what
they're doing frontline, bedside,
at the bat in the gym with the
patients.
You're doing the thing that Lindsay was
just talking about.
Who designed this?
Where was the person with the voice of
the clinician in the room when this was
being decided and why are we doing this?
Kelly,
it sounds like you're in that room making
sure before the decision is made that all
angles have been heard and thought about.
doing my very best yeah yeah that whole
phrase uh you know if you're not at
the table you're on the menu and i
would say well go ups be in the
kitchen because that's where that's where
it happens before it actually makes it to
the table and that's a great way to
start to think maybe this is just me
i mean i graduated in so it's been
ten years i feel like
It's either happening more or we're just
hearing about it more.
I'm excited about either.
I hope it's happening more and we're
hearing about it more.
But Todd, for you,
do you see more people, more PTs,
more of us stepping into places where we
typically aren't?
I think so.
And again,
I think we certainly hear about it more.
There's social media out there.
There's the LinkedIn's and things like
that out there that make it more visible.
But then I think if you look at
CSM sessions, for example,
and you sampled that,
I recall when I first went,
I don't know,
well something like that it felt all very
clinical it's all this very linear
clinical path and now i feel like when
you look at the sessions there's much
broader things that are being presented
there's much different discussions and so
i think there's some of that happening too
we're we are seeing the opportunity we're
seeing the roles that we can fill beyond
graduating and get going to the clinic and
don't get me wrong my wife practices
full-time in the clinic
It's very noble.
We need those folks.
We need those folks that are going to
do that because that's the core of how
we're going to interact with
folks in the community that we serve,
but we also need folks that are going
to do things beyond that.
And there's going to be a balance.
Yeah.
All right.
Let's, let's, I'll ask the same question.
We'll go Lindsay, Kelly,
Todd is the batting order.
How do you approach CSM?
You're going there as a presenter,
you're going to do your ninety minutes,
right?
But you're hopefully going to go to some
other sessions.
I'm always curious how other people
decide.
Like I've been both.
I've been the guy on the plane a
day before and I've been the guy five
minutes before saying,
did the session just start?
Where should it be?
Um,
how do you pick and then what are,
what, if anything, you don't have to be,
give me a specific session,
but what do you, what's,
what are the ingredients of something that
excites you in terms of title or, uh,
or,
or details of a session that makes you
want to jump in?
Definitely catchy title is what's going to
get me,
but I'm not going to pretend like I'm
actually going to look at the thing before
I get there.
I honestly,
I don't even know if we're signed up
yet.
Like I'm very confused with how all this
works,
but I know it's all going to be
okay.
Todd's keeping us alive with, you know,
getting everything submitted on time.
He's been really keeping us together.
So everyone can thank Todd for our session
when it kicks off without a hitch.
So thank you, Todd.
So I haven't looked at any of the
sessions, but I think for me, what,
how I'm going to drive this is just
by focusing on building relationships and
meeting people there and talking to them.
Hey, what sessions are you going to?
And kind of that word of mouth thing,
because, you know,
you can only read so much into a
session when you're reading the
description.
But really, if it's like, oh, no,
this session is going to be awesome for
me.
I don't think I'll focus more on the
more tactical clinical related sessions as
much.
I'd be more interested in the leadership
policy things,
which kind of brings us back to the
last question of like, you know,
we got to get in that room and
that's so we can advocate for our
profession.
Like we wonder why our reimbursements
suck,
which I'm honestly not even that familiar
with coming from the military sector.
But I know more broadly,
that's a huge issue.
And we wonder, well, why?
Why don't we get good?
It's like, well,
because we need to build those leaders
that can get to those tables and advocate
for what we do as a profession.
And that's a huge translational gap that
we need to be really intentional about
filling.
And I think the APTA
is working deliberately in that space
because they see the importance of it.
So I think that's why this leadership
session was picked up for an on-demand
webinar where people can view it who
aren't even attending CSM in person
because they see the value in curating
those leaders from our field.
Yeah,
and kudos to the Academy of Leadership and
Innovation.
I try not to assume that people listening
understand how deep and how wide APTA is.
Listen, love it or hate it,
there's a bunch of PTs who are doing
a lot of work behind the scenes.
I wish we could shine a light on
a lot more of the work,
but the Academy of Leadership and
Innovation really does do a lot of those
things that Lindsay was talking about in
terms of content.
Kelly, how do you approach this?
You know, Lindsay just said, hey,
you got to write a catchy title.
Give me something to sink my teeth into.
What are some of the things you look
and how do you try to like sort
of, you know,
mix up your bag before you before you
leave CSM to make sure you got what
you needed to get?
Yeah,
so I'm typically sort of naturally drawn
to anything that in that catchy title
says,
we're going to show you how to be
a better leader and how to better serve
the people that you lead.
And so I have to be pretty cognizant
to, like you said,
mix it up a little bit.
Do some of the things in,
we'll say Todd's realm that are not my
forte.
So kind of the more
technical AI advances so that I can at
least follow the conversations whenever
I'm in the rooms with those conversations
happening.
And then, you know,
being pretty far removed from hands-on
clinical work,
I do try to attend some sessions that,
you know,
kind of keep me up to speed on
what the clinicians are doing as well.
So so far,
if you're keeping score at home,
two points for marketing in terms of write
a great title and you can do that
however you want.
Todd, how about you?
How do you approach this?
The first time I did it ten years
ago,
I said it's like it's a circus with
eighteen circuses inside of it.
So it can be overwhelming.
How do you approach CSM?
So I always try to get something that
I'm not doing in my day.
That's my first rule for CSM.
It's so broad.
There's just so many different sections
and just the breadth of knowledge and the
breadth of practice we have in physical
therapy is really incredible.
And so I've always,
when I've gone to CSM,
I'm going to try not to go to
an ortho section.
So like, sorry, ortho folks,
you have great work that's going on.
But that's what I lived in for years.
I want to go see a neuro session
or peds or something that's different from
what I do every day.
Because for me,
I think that's where you can generate a
lot of ideas.
Can we cross pollinate here?
Is there something that you're doing over
there that maybe I should be applying in
my world or in your world?
in my treatment.
And so that's how I approach it.
I basically look at the things that I
do and look at them to see if
there's something particularly interesting
that I want to do.
But then I go look at all the
other sections and say, what's there?
What can I learn that's really novel or
different?
Almost try to find the things that are
furthest away from what I'm doing in my
day to day.
yeah i always found it interesting or
unique or i don't know sort of like
uh uh the opposite it's called the
combined section this meaning we come
together and then we all separate into
these little sections wait a minute you
have a bunch of people who have a
bunch of differences they can learn from
each other we're all hanging out in the
same room with each other uh two questions
left we'll do this one question that we
have the parting shot this for all of
you feel free to jump on it what's
one thing
you hope PTs actually do differently after
your presentation at CSM or this
conversation?
What's something?
We'll start with Lindsay because you gave
me the nod.
You gave me the nonverbal.
I'm just always nodding.
I don't know.
You're always going to get called on.
You knew that in class.
The one thing,
the one behavior change I would want our
attendees to make is to raise their hand
when given an opportunity to impact their
clinic
their organization,
their practice more broadly.
So I always say,
never close the door on yourself.
And I feel like a lot of times
we use diminutive languages where we're
like, oh, I'm just a,
or I'm only a,
or I've only been practicing this long.
It's like, hey, well,
you bring a lot of insight to the
table that you're discounting severely.
So if it's one thing that they could
take away is to understand how their
clinical practice can translate more
broadly as we've discussed ad nauseum,
which it's still a very exciting topic and
really kind of the meat and potatoes of
our topic discussion.
But the behavior change would be that
they're more apt to raise their hand.
Yeah, Lindsay,
how that's my least favorite word.
I'm a word guy just sort of diminishes
and minimizes everything that's going to
come after what you just what you're about
to say.
So it's Yeah,
I hear that a lot with PTAs.
And I I've said before,
you say that again,
I'm gonna throw you out of the room.
You can't say just your PTA, say it,
mean it, finish it.
Right.
Kelly, what are your thoughts?
What is your hope of a change after
someone leaves the room with you guys?
I think kind of tagging onto what Lindsay
said,
just walking away from the conference,
from hopefully our talk,
realizing the leadership skills that you
already possess.
And even if you have no desire to
ever go into an official role with a
leadership title,
you can be a leader within your clinic.
You can be the one who takes students
and educates them
and shows the rest of your fellow PTs
how to be good clinical instructors.
You can be the one who brings change
to your setting.
Outside of your clinical practice,
you have the skills and the knowledge and
the capabilities to step up and make
change.
All right, Todd, no pressure.
You got to follow those two.
making it hard for me but i think
what i'll say is just looking at us
like look at four of us on this
call right now and we're all trained as
pts we all have pt degrees and we're
doing vastly different things vastly
different things but we have a core common
skill set that we develop through our
clinical training that for me i would love
folks to walk away and say i have
this fantastic set of skills that i can
leverage to do a wide variety of things
and that's on me to then
go out and discover what it is that
i'm going to do with that set of
skills i possess
Yeah, it's in the show notes,
but I'll give you the nuts and bolts,
too.
Saturday, February fourteenth,
leading with care,
developing physical therapists,
potential in health care leadership bright
and early at eight a.m.
That's smart, though,
because most people are coming from the
East Coast.
So eight isn't so early.
Still a couple of days into CSM.
And just this is a public service
announcement.
If you have a significant other and
realize that you're going to be at CSM
on Valentine's Day, plan ahead.
Order that thing.
Get it delivered.
I speak from experience, everybody.
We've fallen in that trap before.
It's on the way.
I promise.
I ordered it.
It's being delivered.
All right.
The last thing we do on the episode
is called The Parting Shot.
This is The Parting Shot.
One last mic drop moment.
No pressure.
Just your legacy on the line.
No pressure, just your legacy on the line.
You can repeat something you said before.
Favorite quote, doesn't matter.
We'll go in the batting order.
Lindsey, Kelly, and then Todd.
What's your parting shot, Lindsey?
You belong at the table,
but bring your own chair.
Like it.
Kelly, what do you got?
Parting shot.
I think we got you muted.
Sorry about that.
Parting shot.
Take your phone off mute.
All right.
Thanks.
No, I'm just kidding.
Go ahead.
Say it.
What do you got?
What's your parting shot?
All right.
Todd, save it.
So I'm going to borrow from Warren
Buffett.
Invest in yourself.
Love it.
All right.
In the show notes, the details,
the information, however you want to plan,
plan ahead.
Peruse, I don't know, cheat code.
Command A, copy, paste in the chat GPT.
After you give chat GPT what you're
looking for, what you're not looking for,
and maybe it will spit something out for
you to go.
It's better than my old way of figuring
out, which is throwing darts.
So I will be on site.
I've just heard there's a rumor there's
going to be chocolate,
so I'll be on site for your presentation.
Thanks for doing this,
and thanks for doing that,
what we will see in Anaheim in just
a couple of weeks.
Thanks so much, guys.
Thank you.
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Bulls**t!
See, Keith?
We read the script.
Happy now?