WEBVTT 00:00:00.450 --> 00:00:01.550 Sounds great. 00:00:01.571 --> 00:00:03.253 And it looks like it's spelled normally, 00:00:03.314 --> 00:00:04.054 but I'm just going to ask. 00:00:04.134 --> 00:00:04.695 It's Marissa. 00:00:04.714 --> 00:00:06.017 It is, yes. 00:00:06.256 --> 00:00:06.918 You'd never know. 00:00:06.998 --> 00:00:08.380 Sometimes people are like, well, actually, 00:00:08.460 --> 00:00:09.260 it's whatever. 00:00:09.281 --> 00:00:10.803 And I'm like, okay, glad I asked. 00:00:11.182 --> 00:00:12.904 Perfect. 00:00:12.925 --> 00:00:14.127 So I want to set the stage. 00:00:14.707 --> 00:00:16.169 Yeah. 00:00:16.208 --> 00:00:16.528 Did it. 00:00:16.670 --> 00:00:17.990 Yep. 00:00:19.440 --> 00:00:20.900 what does uh and I know I'm 00:00:20.920 --> 00:00:21.922 gonna you're gonna say 00:00:21.961 --> 00:00:23.222 there is none but what does 00:00:23.242 --> 00:00:25.263 a normal week look like for 00:00:25.324 --> 00:00:26.445 a performing artist for the 00:00:26.484 --> 00:00:27.626 people you get to treat 00:00:28.086 --> 00:00:29.788 because I've heard eight 00:00:29.827 --> 00:00:32.189 shows a week and you know 00:00:32.350 --> 00:00:33.951 like how crazy things for 00:00:33.990 --> 00:00:34.871 me and I know you work with 00:00:34.892 --> 00:00:36.133 a varied group but like 00:00:36.732 --> 00:00:38.194 what's as close to normal 00:00:38.213 --> 00:00:39.015 as you can describe as 00:00:39.134 --> 00:00:40.536 possible for someone like this 00:00:40.972 --> 00:00:41.152 Okay. 00:00:41.612 --> 00:00:44.155 Let's start with like a Broadway performer, 00:00:44.395 --> 00:00:44.854 shall we? 00:00:45.195 --> 00:00:45.975 And then maybe we'll, 00:00:45.996 --> 00:00:47.317 maybe if we have a second, 00:00:47.356 --> 00:00:48.436 we can venture into modern, 00:00:48.718 --> 00:00:49.658 modern dance territory. 00:00:49.758 --> 00:00:50.639 I'm in New York city though. 00:00:50.658 --> 00:00:51.698 So let's like set context 00:00:51.738 --> 00:00:52.560 there because it's going to 00:00:52.579 --> 00:00:54.021 look different if you're somewhere else. 00:00:54.100 --> 00:00:54.341 Okay. 00:00:54.360 --> 00:00:54.701 Everywhere. 00:00:54.740 --> 00:00:55.000 Right. 00:00:55.381 --> 00:00:56.701 So Broadway performer, 00:00:56.741 --> 00:00:58.582 you have eight shows a week, right? 00:00:58.823 --> 00:01:00.725 Usually that's like one on 00:01:01.145 --> 00:01:02.045 one on every day of the week, 00:01:02.106 --> 00:01:04.686 except for Wednesday and Saturday, 00:01:04.706 --> 00:01:05.628 which we have two shows. 00:01:05.668 --> 00:01:06.587 And then Monday is what we 00:01:06.608 --> 00:01:07.989 call a dark day where you get like 00:01:08.209 --> 00:01:09.189 You get a day to be normal 00:01:09.230 --> 00:01:10.010 and do your groceries and 00:01:10.030 --> 00:01:11.031 maybe do your laundry. 00:01:11.570 --> 00:01:12.691 So during that time, 00:01:12.790 --> 00:01:14.191 you're always performing at 00:01:14.251 --> 00:01:15.632 night and then on matinees 00:01:15.653 --> 00:01:16.813 for Wednesdays and Saturdays. 00:01:16.894 --> 00:01:18.433 But sometimes you also have 00:01:18.493 --> 00:01:20.215 rehearsals or put-ins or 00:01:20.254 --> 00:01:21.075 things of this nature, 00:01:21.115 --> 00:01:23.917 rehearsals happening one, 00:01:24.436 --> 00:01:25.617 maybe two times a week for 00:01:25.638 --> 00:01:26.978 shows that are open and running. 00:01:27.638 --> 00:01:28.620 And then on top of that, 00:01:28.640 --> 00:01:30.060 folks might have other gigs, 00:01:31.561 --> 00:01:32.621 might be something like 00:01:33.542 --> 00:01:34.643 soul site teaching soul 00:01:34.683 --> 00:01:35.864 cycle or being a personal 00:01:35.905 --> 00:01:37.085 trainer or it might be 00:01:37.146 --> 00:01:38.968 participating in a workshop 00:01:39.487 --> 00:01:41.689 um from ten to six monday 00:01:41.709 --> 00:01:43.152 through friday or whatever 00:01:43.272 --> 00:01:44.472 which means that you're 00:01:44.513 --> 00:01:46.174 developing a new production 00:01:46.254 --> 00:01:47.917 or a new show which is so 00:01:47.936 --> 00:01:50.058 much so much energy output 00:01:50.078 --> 00:01:51.219 I feel like people are like oh 00:01:51.459 --> 00:01:52.301 you're a broadway performer 00:01:52.320 --> 00:01:53.421 you just perform at night 00:01:53.460 --> 00:01:54.402 like no these people are 00:01:54.542 --> 00:01:56.343 hustling their tushes off 00:01:56.924 --> 00:01:58.704 and then like modern dance 00:01:58.984 --> 00:02:00.206 modern dance is also kind 00:02:00.245 --> 00:02:01.466 of cuckoo bananas right I 00:02:01.486 --> 00:02:02.987 think for smaller dance 00:02:03.007 --> 00:02:05.709 companies um you know for 00:02:05.750 --> 00:02:06.530 for a company that has 00:02:06.549 --> 00:02:07.710 maybe twelve individuals 00:02:07.730 --> 00:02:08.671 you're looking at being in 00:02:08.711 --> 00:02:10.173 the studio and rehearsing 00:02:10.252 --> 00:02:11.813 for five to seven hours in 00:02:11.854 --> 00:02:13.134 a day and if you have a 00:02:13.194 --> 00:02:14.495 small modern dance company 00:02:14.855 --> 00:02:15.695 that means that like 00:02:15.776 --> 00:02:16.676 everyone is in the room 00:02:16.877 --> 00:02:18.479 It's not like cast A is 00:02:18.520 --> 00:02:20.402 rehearsing and cast B is not there. 00:02:20.443 --> 00:02:21.865 Like everyone's for a small 00:02:21.885 --> 00:02:23.848 modern dance company, everyone is cast. 00:02:24.149 --> 00:02:25.131 So everyone has to be in the 00:02:25.170 --> 00:02:26.112 room and learning and 00:02:26.152 --> 00:02:28.135 dancing five to seven hours 00:02:28.175 --> 00:02:30.360 a day of like rehearsal is a ton. 00:02:31.200 --> 00:02:33.163 Not to mention the travel 00:02:33.203 --> 00:02:34.343 that definitely happens and 00:02:34.364 --> 00:02:35.944 the performances that happen. 00:02:36.066 --> 00:02:37.986 And then juggling that with 00:02:38.228 --> 00:02:39.288 what we call layoffs. 00:02:39.748 --> 00:02:40.530 Layoffs are like your 00:02:40.569 --> 00:02:41.411 contract might only be 00:02:41.450 --> 00:02:43.231 thirty two weeks in a year. 00:02:43.673 --> 00:02:45.633 And for those two to four to 00:02:45.715 --> 00:02:46.675 six weeks at a time, 00:02:46.816 --> 00:02:47.795 you suddenly find yourself 00:02:47.816 --> 00:02:50.938 with with no income and no rehearsal. 00:02:50.959 --> 00:02:52.721 So how do you manage that 00:02:52.980 --> 00:02:55.843 and make those ends meet? 00:02:55.864 --> 00:02:56.585 So there's a lot. 00:02:58.473 --> 00:02:59.913 There's a lot. 00:03:00.253 --> 00:03:01.795 You've got a hot take about this, 00:03:01.816 --> 00:03:02.635 because it sounds like you 00:03:02.735 --> 00:03:04.277 obviously have a little bit 00:03:04.318 --> 00:03:06.399 of a finger on the pulse of this. 00:03:06.879 --> 00:03:08.580 And your hot take is the 00:03:08.640 --> 00:03:10.622 care system for performers 00:03:11.223 --> 00:03:12.623 is so reactive. 00:03:14.165 --> 00:03:15.687 Describe why it is or how that is, 00:03:15.747 --> 00:03:16.747 and then why does it need to change? 00:03:17.568 --> 00:03:17.987 For sure. 00:03:18.268 --> 00:03:18.468 Okay. 00:03:18.508 --> 00:03:19.830 Now I won't say that this is ubiquitous. 00:03:19.849 --> 00:03:20.810 Like there's some companies 00:03:20.849 --> 00:03:21.811 that have what I'm calling 00:03:21.830 --> 00:03:23.372 a more proactive system and 00:03:23.391 --> 00:03:24.292 they've been written up in 00:03:24.332 --> 00:03:26.933 literature and I have been, you know, 00:03:27.174 --> 00:03:28.034 I've had the great pleasure 00:03:28.055 --> 00:03:29.096 and honor of working with 00:03:29.135 --> 00:03:30.437 some of them in some of these companies. 00:03:31.097 --> 00:03:33.899 So a reactive care system 00:03:33.959 --> 00:03:36.300 kind of looks like, Hey, we need to have, 00:03:37.001 --> 00:03:38.201 we need to have physical 00:03:38.241 --> 00:03:39.462 therapy contractually, 00:03:39.682 --> 00:03:41.424 or like as a thank you to 00:03:41.443 --> 00:03:42.705 our performers when we're 00:03:42.745 --> 00:03:44.406 performing at this particular theater, 00:03:44.626 --> 00:03:45.907 you know, once a year, twice a year, 00:03:45.926 --> 00:03:47.147 et cetera, we'll have, 00:03:47.807 --> 00:03:48.568 care come in, 00:03:48.588 --> 00:03:49.408 but we won't have anything 00:03:49.449 --> 00:03:51.390 necessarily consistent or 00:03:51.471 --> 00:03:52.671 adequate enough to attend 00:03:52.692 --> 00:03:54.413 to all the performer's needs, right? 00:03:54.834 --> 00:03:58.697 So basically then, 00:03:59.116 --> 00:04:00.298 little issues will start to 00:04:00.337 --> 00:04:02.719 kind of come up and potentially fester, 00:04:02.740 --> 00:04:03.600 and people might try to 00:04:03.640 --> 00:04:05.361 like self-manage and regulate, 00:04:05.722 --> 00:04:06.682 or the company might try to 00:04:08.664 --> 00:04:10.126 throw a few resources at it, 00:04:10.265 --> 00:04:11.627 or it also depends on if 00:04:11.667 --> 00:04:13.609 the performer is willing to 00:04:13.748 --> 00:04:14.870 speak up and talk about 00:04:14.930 --> 00:04:15.950 whether or not they have an injury. 00:04:16.531 --> 00:04:20.454 And then these things kind 00:04:20.473 --> 00:04:21.454 of fester and we don't have 00:04:21.514 --> 00:04:22.454 adequate care to take care 00:04:22.475 --> 00:04:24.216 of them and suddenly they're big issues, 00:04:24.276 --> 00:04:24.495 right? 00:04:24.596 --> 00:04:25.857 And when they're a big issue, 00:04:25.916 --> 00:04:26.737 it's not just the fact that 00:04:26.778 --> 00:04:27.497 someone has an injury, 00:04:27.517 --> 00:04:28.478 but now we need to change 00:04:28.858 --> 00:04:29.980 casting and we need to do 00:04:30.019 --> 00:04:31.161 it super quickly. 00:04:31.180 --> 00:04:32.380 We haven't had a preparation 00:04:32.420 --> 00:04:33.302 and maybe we need to bring 00:04:33.802 --> 00:04:36.264 other folks in to cover that person, 00:04:36.283 --> 00:04:39.026 which costs money, money to rehearse, 00:04:39.105 --> 00:04:40.586 money to pay that additional person, 00:04:40.627 --> 00:04:42.247 money to make additional costumes. 00:04:42.687 --> 00:04:44.487 And so instead of providing 00:04:44.588 --> 00:04:47.209 adequate care from the get 00:04:47.269 --> 00:04:49.269 in so much as having PT in 00:04:49.288 --> 00:04:50.209 the space early, 00:04:50.870 --> 00:04:52.230 having conversations and 00:04:52.370 --> 00:04:53.829 infrastructures regarding 00:04:53.889 --> 00:04:55.329 care for each performers 00:04:55.370 --> 00:04:56.211 and what that looks like 00:04:56.250 --> 00:04:56.891 and how we're going to 00:04:56.911 --> 00:04:57.750 attend to your injuries so 00:04:57.771 --> 00:04:58.490 we can all talk about 00:04:58.531 --> 00:04:59.391 injuries the same way as 00:04:59.430 --> 00:05:00.790 opposed to it being taboo 00:05:00.810 --> 00:05:02.432 and hush hush and the show must go on. 00:05:02.512 --> 00:05:05.891 I had a brain fart. 00:05:05.992 --> 00:05:08.052 But anyway, we we 00:05:10.033 --> 00:05:11.093 I feel like the show must go 00:05:11.213 --> 00:05:12.353 on as a lot like, I mean, 00:05:12.653 --> 00:05:14.074 the parallel in sports is no pain, 00:05:14.115 --> 00:05:14.735 no gain, right? 00:05:14.754 --> 00:05:15.755 Like they're the same thing. 00:05:15.795 --> 00:05:16.555 They're like, hey, 00:05:16.576 --> 00:05:17.216 I understand that there's 00:05:17.237 --> 00:05:19.497 an injury going on, but suck it up, 00:05:19.677 --> 00:05:21.178 rub some dirt on it and get out there. 00:05:21.718 --> 00:05:23.560 And that is really easy to say. 00:05:23.579 --> 00:05:24.540 Yeah. 00:05:24.579 --> 00:05:26.081 And probably sometimes with 00:05:26.120 --> 00:05:27.641 some of these artists, not. 00:05:28.422 --> 00:05:29.802 possible or not easy to do 00:05:29.822 --> 00:05:30.903 or not possible to do. 00:05:31.524 --> 00:05:33.807 It feels like you're talking 00:05:33.826 --> 00:05:35.007 about the world of performing artists, 00:05:35.048 --> 00:05:36.850 but this could be also 00:05:36.870 --> 00:05:37.949 applied to the world, 00:05:38.071 --> 00:05:39.672 not just performing artists 00:05:39.891 --> 00:05:42.894 or military operators or athletes. 00:05:43.175 --> 00:05:45.016 This is reactive versus proactive. 00:05:45.416 --> 00:05:47.017 And when you do that on a population scale, 00:05:47.559 --> 00:05:48.339 people are happier, 00:05:48.480 --> 00:05:49.581 they feel better longer, 00:05:49.701 --> 00:05:51.482 things don't pop up when they might have, 00:05:51.601 --> 00:05:52.523 and things cost less 00:05:52.543 --> 00:05:53.283 because we have to bring in 00:05:53.564 --> 00:05:55.305 the cost element as well. 00:05:56.360 --> 00:05:56.880 Exactly. 00:05:57.040 --> 00:05:57.240 Right. 00:05:57.341 --> 00:05:59.704 If you stub your toe or you start, 00:05:59.764 --> 00:05:59.964 you know, 00:06:00.004 --> 00:06:00.927 you walk in the streets in New 00:06:00.947 --> 00:06:02.108 York and your foot hurts, 00:06:02.209 --> 00:06:03.790 if you get it seen taken 00:06:03.831 --> 00:06:04.793 care of right now, 00:06:05.514 --> 00:06:06.654 we can probably give you 00:06:06.735 --> 00:06:07.916 one or two little exercises, 00:06:07.956 --> 00:06:09.178 maybe some supportive footwear, 00:06:09.218 --> 00:06:10.161 and you're going to be fine. 00:06:11.077 --> 00:06:12.637 versus if you have a two 00:06:12.658 --> 00:06:13.858 week trip plan to New York 00:06:13.999 --> 00:06:15.278 after day three, your foot hurts, 00:06:15.399 --> 00:06:16.178 I'm just gonna ignore it, right? 00:06:16.199 --> 00:06:18.720 And then by the end of the trip, 00:06:19.079 --> 00:06:19.879 you're hurting a lot, 00:06:19.899 --> 00:06:21.641 you have to change all of your plans, 00:06:22.120 --> 00:06:22.860 and all this money that 00:06:22.880 --> 00:06:23.982 you've paid for your trip 00:06:24.161 --> 00:06:25.781 is now kind of lost, right? 00:06:25.802 --> 00:06:26.882 You've got to change everything. 00:06:27.642 --> 00:06:28.562 And then the care is gonna 00:06:28.583 --> 00:06:29.523 take longer as well. 00:06:30.583 --> 00:06:32.004 So you're not- There's this 00:06:32.043 --> 00:06:33.024 phrase reconditioning. 00:06:33.423 --> 00:06:34.524 Is that what the missing 00:06:34.584 --> 00:06:36.004 link is in performer rehab 00:06:36.425 --> 00:06:38.526 that most people, even clinicians maybe, 00:06:38.886 --> 00:06:39.625 are missing? 00:06:40.577 --> 00:06:42.218 Yeah, that's a really good point. 00:06:42.999 --> 00:06:43.338 Yes, 00:06:43.499 --> 00:06:45.978 I believe we are missing the 00:06:46.158 --> 00:06:47.279 reconditioning link. 00:06:48.180 --> 00:06:50.420 How do you describe, like set the stage, 00:06:50.940 --> 00:06:51.901 what is reconditioning? 00:06:52.161 --> 00:06:53.480 Yeah, okay. 00:06:53.721 --> 00:06:57.742 So as we established from the beginning, 00:06:57.841 --> 00:06:58.041 right, 00:06:58.101 --> 00:06:59.723 being a performer constitutes like 00:06:59.742 --> 00:07:01.442 being able to do a lot of stuff. 00:07:01.463 --> 00:07:03.783 You need to have a very high 00:07:03.824 --> 00:07:05.504 level of conditioning, right, 00:07:05.543 --> 00:07:06.204 to just get through your 00:07:06.223 --> 00:07:07.985 day and to be resilient from the get. 00:07:09.653 --> 00:07:11.334 When folks get injured, 00:07:11.473 --> 00:07:12.875 what tends to happen is 00:07:12.935 --> 00:07:13.976 everything falls off. 00:07:13.997 --> 00:07:14.937 They've gone from like a 00:07:15.017 --> 00:07:16.158 hundred to approximately 00:07:16.199 --> 00:07:17.139 zero as we're kind of 00:07:17.220 --> 00:07:18.661 working through the acute phase. 00:07:19.040 --> 00:07:20.942 And what I tend to see, and again, 00:07:20.963 --> 00:07:22.024 this is not a blanket statement, 00:07:22.064 --> 00:07:23.305 but what I tend to see is 00:07:23.324 --> 00:07:24.065 that folks start to 00:07:24.165 --> 00:07:26.148 rehabilitate a particular injury. 00:07:26.668 --> 00:07:28.649 and they rehabilitate the specific muscles, 00:07:28.689 --> 00:07:30.209 tendons, tissues, et cetera. 00:07:31.189 --> 00:07:32.129 And they get to this point 00:07:32.490 --> 00:07:33.910 maybe in their mid-stage of 00:07:33.970 --> 00:07:37.031 rehab where the tissue is better, 00:07:37.350 --> 00:07:38.492 but then they have such 00:07:38.771 --> 00:07:40.552 like a decreased level of conditioning, 00:07:40.591 --> 00:07:40.752 right? 00:07:40.771 --> 00:07:42.192 Because they spent three, four, five, 00:07:42.353 --> 00:07:43.252 six weeks, right? 00:07:43.293 --> 00:07:44.093 Just making sure that their 00:07:44.153 --> 00:07:45.494 ADLs or activities of daily 00:07:45.533 --> 00:07:46.634 living are like okay to go. 00:07:47.194 --> 00:07:48.855 But then we tend to miss 00:07:48.875 --> 00:07:51.016 this huge chunk where it's like, well, 00:07:51.735 --> 00:07:53.737 we don't only need local tissue capacity. 00:07:56.038 --> 00:07:56.978 We need power. 00:07:57.038 --> 00:07:57.959 We need strength. 00:07:58.019 --> 00:07:59.100 We need coordination. 00:07:59.160 --> 00:08:00.880 We need anaerobic capacity. 00:08:00.961 --> 00:08:02.300 We need all these kinds of things. 00:08:02.321 --> 00:08:02.922 And that's where the 00:08:02.961 --> 00:08:03.882 reconditioning comes in. 00:08:03.901 --> 00:08:04.923 That's where we tend to lack. 00:08:05.283 --> 00:08:06.242 So that when folks come in, 00:08:06.262 --> 00:08:07.124 they feel better, 00:08:07.423 --> 00:08:08.324 but they're not ready for 00:08:08.343 --> 00:08:09.884 the demands of an eight show week, 00:08:10.165 --> 00:08:11.266 plus the rehearsals, 00:08:11.685 --> 00:08:12.826 plus the other gigs that 00:08:12.846 --> 00:08:13.826 they have on top of that. 00:08:15.492 --> 00:08:16.451 So what would the gold standard, 00:08:16.471 --> 00:08:19.173 you can wave a magic wand and sort of say, 00:08:19.192 --> 00:08:19.994 this is the gold standard 00:08:20.014 --> 00:08:21.473 for performer care and the 00:08:21.634 --> 00:08:22.714 system it would look like. 00:08:23.254 --> 00:08:24.055 What is that? 00:08:24.875 --> 00:08:25.776 And then follow up, 00:08:25.956 --> 00:08:28.956 what's stopping us from doing that? 00:08:28.976 --> 00:08:29.817 That's a great question. 00:08:30.716 --> 00:08:31.778 Well, I will say, 00:08:33.464 --> 00:08:35.225 that, you know, as we established, 00:08:35.245 --> 00:08:36.206 just like Broadway looks 00:08:36.245 --> 00:08:38.788 different than modern dance, small, 00:08:38.849 --> 00:08:40.269 large modern dance companies. 00:08:40.309 --> 00:08:41.471 I mean, the budget looks different. 00:08:41.490 --> 00:08:42.572 The involvement looks different. 00:08:42.591 --> 00:08:43.812 And even in a Broadway show, 00:08:43.873 --> 00:08:45.094 not all shows are created equal. 00:08:45.114 --> 00:08:46.355 You could have a ninety 00:08:46.375 --> 00:08:47.456 minute run with five actors 00:08:47.475 --> 00:08:50.399 who basically stand on stage versus a 00:08:51.106 --> 00:08:52.408 um two and a half hour show 00:08:52.427 --> 00:08:53.648 with like high octane 00:08:53.668 --> 00:08:54.969 dancing and heavy props and 00:08:55.009 --> 00:08:57.169 all that stuff right so um 00:08:57.970 --> 00:08:59.029 let's I think it would be 00:08:59.070 --> 00:09:00.110 better to talk about like 00:09:00.171 --> 00:09:02.432 common pieces as opposed to 00:09:02.471 --> 00:09:03.672 you know one blanket what 00:09:03.711 --> 00:09:04.472 it would look like because 00:09:04.493 --> 00:09:07.413 again I think it needs some tailoring but 00:09:08.075 --> 00:09:09.755 I think we start with this 00:09:09.855 --> 00:09:12.418 and that is that we need a 00:09:12.457 --> 00:09:13.337 common language and an 00:09:13.457 --> 00:09:14.798 infrastructure that we all speak. 00:09:14.818 --> 00:09:16.360 So I think the biggest 00:09:16.379 --> 00:09:17.941 paradigm shift is that all 00:09:17.980 --> 00:09:19.621 parties need to get on the same page. 00:09:20.001 --> 00:09:21.101 We need to understand what 00:09:21.162 --> 00:09:22.682 our system is gonna look like, 00:09:23.043 --> 00:09:24.543 what our expectations are. 00:09:24.604 --> 00:09:25.485 We need to create a common 00:09:25.524 --> 00:09:26.686 language around how we're 00:09:26.706 --> 00:09:28.326 going to deal with injury, 00:09:28.687 --> 00:09:29.787 what kinds of information 00:09:29.807 --> 00:09:30.827 we're going to share 00:09:30.868 --> 00:09:33.269 between physical therapy, AT, 00:09:33.850 --> 00:09:36.091 S&C and company management, right? 00:09:36.980 --> 00:09:37.581 Um, 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:39.261 so that we can all speak together 00:09:39.302 --> 00:09:39.942 because if we all have 00:09:39.981 --> 00:09:41.043 different ideas about how 00:09:41.082 --> 00:09:42.484 things are going to go, 00:09:42.504 --> 00:09:43.745 we can have an awesome system. 00:09:44.264 --> 00:09:44.605 Right. 00:09:44.664 --> 00:09:45.645 And it's just not going to work. 00:09:45.666 --> 00:09:47.787 So that's thing one, right. 00:09:47.807 --> 00:09:50.109 Thing two is then providing adequate care. 00:09:50.288 --> 00:09:51.909 And it's not just like, okay, cool. 00:09:51.950 --> 00:09:54.231 We've provided PT and like, you know, 00:09:54.932 --> 00:09:56.052 or AT or whatever we've 00:09:56.092 --> 00:09:57.453 provided backstage care. 00:09:57.953 --> 00:09:59.475 But if you're like squishing 00:09:59.514 --> 00:10:01.955 care into fifteen minute chunks, 00:10:01.995 --> 00:10:03.456 which happens quite often, right? 00:10:04.416 --> 00:10:05.096 You only have fifteen 00:10:05.115 --> 00:10:06.116 minutes to meet with your 00:10:06.136 --> 00:10:07.636 backstage care provider or 00:10:07.856 --> 00:10:09.618 only thirty percent of the 00:10:09.658 --> 00:10:11.357 cast can be seen in a week. 00:10:11.738 --> 00:10:12.899 That's not adequate, right? 00:10:12.938 --> 00:10:13.739 Because what ends up 00:10:13.798 --> 00:10:15.019 happening is that the small 00:10:15.058 --> 00:10:15.919 niggly issues that are 00:10:15.940 --> 00:10:17.679 happening today are like, oh, my gosh, 00:10:18.139 --> 00:10:19.000 it's totally fine. 00:10:19.041 --> 00:10:19.721 My ankle's fine. 00:10:20.020 --> 00:10:21.542 But you have such a big injury. 00:10:21.562 --> 00:10:22.461 You can't lift your arm. 00:10:22.501 --> 00:10:23.621 I'm going to give my spot to you. 00:10:23.942 --> 00:10:24.682 And then that person with 00:10:24.702 --> 00:10:25.942 the little niggly injury 00:10:26.283 --> 00:10:27.724 like waits and waits and waits and waits. 00:10:27.744 --> 00:10:28.764 And as we discussed before, 00:10:28.803 --> 00:10:30.365 they have a bigger problem, right? 00:10:30.404 --> 00:10:31.725 So providing adequate care, 00:10:31.745 --> 00:10:34.427 which looks like enough slots per people, 00:10:34.866 --> 00:10:36.488 enough time to kind of get 00:10:36.648 --> 00:10:37.868 to the root of what's going on. 00:10:37.888 --> 00:10:38.969 And we can work efficiently 00:10:39.129 --> 00:10:39.788 like it doesn't have to be 00:10:39.849 --> 00:10:41.350 too much longer than fifteen minutes. 00:10:41.389 --> 00:10:42.129 But, you know, 00:10:43.671 --> 00:10:46.351 and then and then once 00:10:46.392 --> 00:10:47.513 someone gets injured, 00:10:48.730 --> 00:10:49.851 or something pops up, 00:10:50.091 --> 00:10:51.032 if it doesn't get to come 00:10:51.072 --> 00:10:51.893 into the PT table, 00:10:51.932 --> 00:10:52.633 can we at least have a 00:10:52.692 --> 00:10:54.634 conversation where it's like, hey, 00:10:54.953 --> 00:10:56.095 Joe got hit in the shoulder 00:10:56.115 --> 00:10:57.735 with this prop yesterday. 00:10:58.014 --> 00:10:59.196 PT, are you aware of it? 00:10:59.235 --> 00:11:00.256 PT's like, oh, hey, no, 00:11:00.277 --> 00:11:01.136 we weren't aware of it. 00:11:01.376 --> 00:11:02.037 Joe, come in. 00:11:02.076 --> 00:11:03.238 We just want to triage and 00:11:03.557 --> 00:11:04.818 make sure things are OK, 00:11:05.278 --> 00:11:09.461 as opposed to waiting. 00:11:10.301 --> 00:11:11.621 Again, it kind of goes in the same circle. 00:11:11.642 --> 00:11:13.743 So there's that kind of conversation. 00:11:13.923 --> 00:11:15.102 And then when someone gets injured, 00:11:17.568 --> 00:11:19.091 Helping to keep an eye on that individual. 00:11:19.370 --> 00:11:19.610 Right. 00:11:19.870 --> 00:11:22.594 Which could look like, hey, Joe, 00:11:23.115 --> 00:11:23.735 I know you got hit in the 00:11:23.754 --> 00:11:24.635 shoulder and you're going 00:11:24.655 --> 00:11:28.220 to go see our our physician 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:29.600 who's like on the show with us. 00:11:29.942 --> 00:11:31.383 We've let the person know what's going on. 00:11:31.783 --> 00:11:33.485 Do you have the resources you need in PT? 00:11:33.806 --> 00:11:33.985 OK, 00:11:34.005 --> 00:11:36.168 you've gone to PT outside PT outside of 00:11:36.187 --> 00:11:36.528 the show. 00:11:36.668 --> 00:11:37.750 Is your PT going well? 00:11:38.129 --> 00:11:38.671 Do we have the 00:11:38.711 --> 00:11:40.312 reconditioning piece taken care of? 00:11:40.672 --> 00:11:41.993 Are there do you have access 00:11:42.033 --> 00:11:43.354 to all the resources you 00:11:43.394 --> 00:11:44.215 need in terms of like, 00:11:44.254 --> 00:11:45.014 do you need a mental health 00:11:45.034 --> 00:11:45.615 care provider? 00:11:45.676 --> 00:11:46.696 Do you need a dietician? 00:11:46.755 --> 00:11:46.917 Like, 00:11:46.956 --> 00:11:48.398 how can we look for all these 00:11:48.418 --> 00:11:50.339 individuals after all these 00:11:50.359 --> 00:11:51.500 individuals health and well-being? 00:11:51.519 --> 00:11:53.120 Because as we mentioned before, 00:11:53.400 --> 00:11:54.501 when we don't have that 00:11:54.542 --> 00:11:56.342 reconditioning like piece 00:11:56.363 --> 00:11:57.423 figured out and we kind of 00:11:57.524 --> 00:11:58.845 lose these folks as they go 00:11:58.904 --> 00:11:59.725 into medical leave, 00:12:00.066 --> 00:12:01.226 what we see a lot is that 00:12:01.267 --> 00:12:01.908 folks come back. 00:12:02.707 --> 00:12:03.648 from these medical leaves 00:12:03.768 --> 00:12:04.768 and again local tissue 00:12:04.807 --> 00:12:05.948 capacity is pretty good but 00:12:05.969 --> 00:12:08.089 the rest of them we need 00:12:08.469 --> 00:12:10.269 like they need more work so 00:12:10.809 --> 00:12:11.990 when they come back there's 00:12:12.029 --> 00:12:13.409 also there there can be 00:12:13.450 --> 00:12:15.211 this game of like they're 00:12:15.410 --> 00:12:16.890 in technically but then 00:12:16.910 --> 00:12:18.091 they start calling out a 00:12:18.130 --> 00:12:19.110 fair amount but calling out 00:12:19.150 --> 00:12:20.172 I mean like they will 00:12:20.231 --> 00:12:20.892 instead of doing eight 00:12:20.912 --> 00:12:21.591 shows a week they'll be 00:12:21.611 --> 00:12:22.772 like oh at the second show 00:12:22.812 --> 00:12:24.173 of this wednesday I don't 00:12:24.192 --> 00:12:25.033 think I have the capacity 00:12:25.052 --> 00:12:26.192 to do I'm not ready which 00:12:26.232 --> 00:12:27.452 creates another stressful 00:12:27.873 --> 00:12:29.134 ripple effect as well so we 00:12:29.153 --> 00:12:29.734 want to make sure that 00:12:29.754 --> 00:12:31.033 we're heading that off at the pass 00:12:31.693 --> 00:12:33.195 before they come back in so 00:12:33.315 --> 00:12:34.255 everyone is set up for 00:12:34.316 --> 00:12:35.596 success if that makes sense 00:12:36.336 --> 00:12:39.038 so what is everybody in 00:12:39.097 --> 00:12:40.798 terms of clinic owners 00:12:41.799 --> 00:12:43.380 rehab professionals outside 00:12:43.441 --> 00:12:44.721 of performing arts what do 00:12:44.740 --> 00:12:46.121 they need to learn from 00:12:46.162 --> 00:12:47.482 that model what could they 00:12:47.523 --> 00:12:50.043 take away and say huh like 00:12:50.124 --> 00:12:51.184 that's a really good lesson 00:12:51.424 --> 00:12:52.926 how could I translate that 00:12:52.966 --> 00:12:54.105 to what I do if I'm not 00:12:54.125 --> 00:12:56.748 necessarily like marissa on broadway 00:12:57.846 --> 00:12:59.567 You mean like for mongols, 00:12:59.748 --> 00:13:01.227 like not performing artists? 00:13:01.548 --> 00:13:03.349 Yeah, in terms of just like, yeah, 00:13:03.408 --> 00:13:04.669 for non-performing artists, 00:13:04.690 --> 00:13:06.850 like what can they learn like for that? 00:13:08.211 --> 00:13:10.552 I feel like most of our colleagues, 00:13:11.432 --> 00:13:11.912 let's just say in 00:13:11.971 --> 00:13:13.293 outpatient physical therapy, right? 00:13:13.312 --> 00:13:15.053 The broadest of scope, 00:13:15.653 --> 00:13:18.375 they wait for reactivity, right? 00:13:18.634 --> 00:13:19.414 I don't know who you are 00:13:19.475 --> 00:13:20.615 until you walk in the door. 00:13:20.635 --> 00:13:20.816 Yeah. 00:13:21.855 --> 00:13:24.177 Maybe the idea is that we 00:13:24.879 --> 00:13:25.899 flip the script on that. 00:13:25.980 --> 00:13:26.701 I'm trying to do as many 00:13:26.780 --> 00:13:28.942 stage and script puns as I can, Marissa. 00:13:29.003 --> 00:13:30.163 I'm just hoping you're picking up on that. 00:13:30.224 --> 00:13:31.004 Yeah, you got me. 00:13:31.024 --> 00:13:31.905 I totally got you. 00:13:31.926 --> 00:13:33.167 What are some lessons that 00:13:33.287 --> 00:13:34.548 someone listening who's like, hey, listen, 00:13:34.567 --> 00:13:35.369 this is interesting. 00:13:35.568 --> 00:13:37.431 I'm not in performing arts, 00:13:37.471 --> 00:13:39.532 but I can take something from this. 00:13:39.592 --> 00:13:40.734 I feel like that reactivity 00:13:40.754 --> 00:13:41.995 thing is everywhere. 00:13:42.034 --> 00:13:43.336 Yeah, the reactivity thing is everywhere. 00:13:43.436 --> 00:13:44.476 I mean – 00:13:45.784 --> 00:13:47.166 I kind of come back to like education, 00:13:47.245 --> 00:13:49.107 education, education, right? 00:13:49.187 --> 00:13:49.888 I think the other thing that 00:13:49.908 --> 00:13:51.408 we're learning in, 00:13:52.269 --> 00:13:53.691 we work within a dance school, 00:13:54.010 --> 00:13:55.552 my clinic works within a dance school, 00:13:56.133 --> 00:13:57.594 and we found that we put a 00:13:57.634 --> 00:13:58.235 system in place, 00:13:58.254 --> 00:13:58.794 but people didn't 00:13:58.815 --> 00:14:00.456 necessarily know how to use it, right? 00:14:00.475 --> 00:14:00.996 So we can, 00:14:01.076 --> 00:14:03.018 we can tout that we are proactive, 00:14:03.057 --> 00:14:03.918 but if people, again, 00:14:03.958 --> 00:14:04.860 don't understand the 00:14:04.899 --> 00:14:05.900 language or don't have the 00:14:05.941 --> 00:14:07.261 skills to then navigate it, like, 00:14:08.243 --> 00:14:11.226 So with this school, 00:14:11.267 --> 00:14:12.107 and I think that this can 00:14:12.148 --> 00:14:13.190 work for like regular 00:14:13.330 --> 00:14:14.731 outpatient ortho or folks 00:14:14.751 --> 00:14:15.552 who are not performing 00:14:15.592 --> 00:14:17.917 artists like we have we 00:14:17.956 --> 00:14:19.379 have workshops where we're 00:14:19.418 --> 00:14:20.440 kind of like giving folks 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:22.763 like a ten minute video to 00:14:24.065 --> 00:14:24.985 learn from before they come 00:14:25.025 --> 00:14:25.566 into the space. 00:14:25.625 --> 00:14:27.086 And then we talk about things like, 00:14:27.506 --> 00:14:28.147 how are you going to manage 00:14:28.167 --> 00:14:29.067 your load over the summer? 00:14:29.168 --> 00:14:29.307 Like, 00:14:29.327 --> 00:14:30.649 so that you're prepared to come back. 00:14:30.989 --> 00:14:32.070 How are you going to manage your load? 00:14:32.090 --> 00:14:33.230 This could be, I'm just giving an example, 00:14:33.250 --> 00:14:34.030 like how can you manage 00:14:34.051 --> 00:14:35.432 your load leading up to a 00:14:35.511 --> 00:14:36.532 marathon so that you don't 00:14:36.591 --> 00:14:39.173 need us so much at the end, right? 00:14:39.193 --> 00:14:41.075 Kind of prehab, if you will, 00:14:41.095 --> 00:14:41.735 which I know a lot of 00:14:41.754 --> 00:14:42.535 people use that word, 00:14:42.576 --> 00:14:44.736 like prehabilitation, education tools. 00:14:44.777 --> 00:14:45.878 And then like, 00:14:45.998 --> 00:14:47.839 we also have a very robust 00:14:48.119 --> 00:14:49.759 list of individuals that we 00:14:49.799 --> 00:14:50.740 cross refer to. 00:14:50.841 --> 00:14:51.660 And I'm not just 00:14:51.841 --> 00:14:53.282 thinking like other PTs. 00:14:53.341 --> 00:14:53.562 I mean, 00:14:53.601 --> 00:14:57.083 we have a healthy list of mental 00:14:57.124 --> 00:14:59.466 health practitioners, dieticians, 00:14:59.525 --> 00:15:00.546 you know, all that kind of thing, 00:15:00.566 --> 00:15:01.366 because we need to make 00:15:01.386 --> 00:15:03.207 sure that folks know that 00:15:03.528 --> 00:15:04.769 something might not just be 00:15:04.908 --> 00:15:06.809 strictly a musculoskeletal issue, right? 00:15:06.830 --> 00:15:07.711 There could be a mental 00:15:07.730 --> 00:15:08.591 health component that's 00:15:08.610 --> 00:15:09.692 getting in the way of them 00:15:10.231 --> 00:15:11.753 getting to where they need to go. 00:15:11.812 --> 00:15:13.173 Sure. 00:15:13.214 --> 00:15:14.875 You do a lot of things, wear a lot of hats, 00:15:15.735 --> 00:15:16.196 a couple of different 00:15:16.216 --> 00:15:17.336 costume changes for you. 00:15:17.356 --> 00:15:18.096 Thank you. 00:15:18.116 --> 00:15:18.297 Yeah. 00:15:19.655 --> 00:15:21.557 Clinician, business owner, parent, 00:15:21.937 --> 00:15:23.277 how do you focus on 00:15:23.376 --> 00:15:24.616 balancing this while also 00:15:24.657 --> 00:15:27.658 pushing for change in your field? 00:15:28.038 --> 00:15:29.139 I think it's easy for people 00:15:29.158 --> 00:15:30.259 to jump into Facebook groups. 00:15:30.298 --> 00:15:31.698 I talk about that a lot and 00:15:31.759 --> 00:15:33.580 sort of yell at clouds and say, 00:15:33.620 --> 00:15:34.159 this sucks. 00:15:34.600 --> 00:15:38.581 But you go out of your way to build, 00:15:38.640 --> 00:15:39.421 you've gone out of your way 00:15:39.441 --> 00:15:40.942 to build something that can- 00:15:41.522 --> 00:15:42.682 be the vehicle for change. 00:15:43.864 --> 00:15:44.605 I want to make sure I gave 00:15:44.625 --> 00:15:45.966 you a nod to that and say, 00:15:47.106 --> 00:15:47.768 what are some things that 00:15:48.048 --> 00:15:49.168 you learned doing that? 00:15:49.188 --> 00:15:50.530 Because it probably wasn't easy. 00:15:51.508 --> 00:15:51.788 No, 00:15:52.227 --> 00:15:55.428 and I don't think past tense is correct 00:15:55.489 --> 00:15:56.788 either because it's still 00:15:56.828 --> 00:15:58.229 not easy and I don't expect 00:15:58.269 --> 00:16:01.289 it to be forever, I think. 00:16:01.850 --> 00:16:02.669 How do I balance it? 00:16:02.809 --> 00:16:03.929 I don't know what balance means, 00:16:04.571 --> 00:16:09.111 but I'm trying very hard. 00:16:09.131 --> 00:16:09.751 Listen, 00:16:10.611 --> 00:16:11.951 I think it's important to note that 00:16:12.032 --> 00:16:12.711 everything that I'm 00:16:12.751 --> 00:16:14.393 involved in makes me very 00:16:14.513 --> 00:16:16.113 passionate and excited and happy. 00:16:17.375 --> 00:16:20.158 And so that makes balancing things, I mean, 00:16:20.419 --> 00:16:21.902 whatever, getting everything done, again, 00:16:21.942 --> 00:16:22.222 balance, 00:16:22.243 --> 00:16:23.043 I don't think is an appropriate 00:16:23.083 --> 00:16:24.066 word when we're talking about me, 00:16:24.125 --> 00:16:26.409 but it makes managing all 00:16:26.450 --> 00:16:27.292 things much easier. 00:16:28.758 --> 00:16:31.038 And it brings me great joy 00:16:31.099 --> 00:16:34.279 to know that I am improving 00:16:34.480 --> 00:16:36.019 the community in which that 00:16:36.100 --> 00:16:37.179 I inhabit and has been a 00:16:37.220 --> 00:16:37.980 part of both as a 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:38.780 performing artist and a 00:16:38.821 --> 00:16:40.260 professional for a long time. 00:16:40.780 --> 00:16:42.322 And I think community is 00:16:42.341 --> 00:16:43.501 another thing I just said, 00:16:44.062 --> 00:16:45.461 community is so important. 00:16:45.562 --> 00:16:47.863 And I think that I'm so 00:16:47.923 --> 00:16:48.942 indebted to all of the 00:16:48.962 --> 00:16:49.822 individuals who have come 00:16:49.842 --> 00:16:51.303 before me and paved the way 00:16:51.903 --> 00:16:53.043 so that I can be standing 00:16:53.083 --> 00:16:54.085 here talking about these 00:16:54.164 --> 00:16:55.585 like lofty dreams and goals. 00:16:56.985 --> 00:16:58.187 And what I also recognize is 00:16:58.206 --> 00:16:59.008 that for a long time, 00:16:59.067 --> 00:17:00.309 performing arts physical therapy, 00:17:00.350 --> 00:17:01.870 at least like in the city that I live, 00:17:01.910 --> 00:17:03.052 has been pretty siloed. 00:17:04.294 --> 00:17:05.474 And by that, 00:17:05.515 --> 00:17:06.236 I just mean like there've been 00:17:06.336 --> 00:17:07.798 all these incredible practitioners, 00:17:07.837 --> 00:17:08.699 but there hasn't been as 00:17:08.759 --> 00:17:10.641 much cross collaboration and pollination. 00:17:11.602 --> 00:17:13.482 And one thing that I have 00:17:13.563 --> 00:17:14.844 really tried to create, 00:17:14.963 --> 00:17:16.565 which I think in some way 00:17:16.605 --> 00:17:17.805 helps to balance things is 00:17:17.845 --> 00:17:19.306 to recreate community 00:17:19.705 --> 00:17:20.747 within my generation of 00:17:20.826 --> 00:17:22.228 performing arts and 00:17:22.288 --> 00:17:24.368 community in like a myriad of ways. 00:17:24.449 --> 00:17:27.029 Part of that is making sure 00:17:27.049 --> 00:17:27.851 that as clinicians, 00:17:27.871 --> 00:17:28.770 we all know each other. 00:17:28.810 --> 00:17:30.092 We have continuing education 00:17:30.112 --> 00:17:31.952 that we host at my clinic 00:17:32.653 --> 00:17:33.513 where we invite other 00:17:33.534 --> 00:17:34.554 performing arts PTs from 00:17:34.574 --> 00:17:35.414 the area to come in. 00:17:35.815 --> 00:17:37.056 And those have been really 00:17:37.096 --> 00:17:37.895 well attended and I've met 00:17:37.915 --> 00:17:39.176 some incredible individuals. 00:17:39.896 --> 00:17:41.018 And that way we can, like, 00:17:41.459 --> 00:17:42.199 a lot of those people are 00:17:42.219 --> 00:17:44.040 taking care of the folks 00:17:44.060 --> 00:17:45.240 that I see who are injured 00:17:45.300 --> 00:17:47.722 on workers' compensation, like, claims. 00:17:47.762 --> 00:17:48.604 They're taking care of those 00:17:48.644 --> 00:17:49.765 folks backstage that when 00:17:49.805 --> 00:17:51.006 they go back to their show, 00:17:51.026 --> 00:17:53.207 I'm able to be like, hey, so-and-so, like, 00:17:53.227 --> 00:17:53.867 just want you to know this 00:17:53.887 --> 00:17:54.647 person's coming back. 00:17:54.689 --> 00:17:55.509 Like, here's what's up. 00:17:55.548 --> 00:17:55.709 Like, 00:17:55.788 --> 00:17:57.550 and that creates a better community 00:17:57.570 --> 00:17:58.411 for our performers. 00:17:59.211 --> 00:18:00.893 Some of those folks we collaborate with. 00:18:02.114 --> 00:18:03.295 We also create a community 00:18:03.335 --> 00:18:04.676 for our performing artists 00:18:05.416 --> 00:18:07.318 in so much as a lot of 00:18:07.378 --> 00:18:08.180 friends and friends of 00:18:08.200 --> 00:18:10.122 friends know each other within our space, 00:18:10.142 --> 00:18:11.123 which I understand can be 00:18:11.143 --> 00:18:12.544 an intimidating place to heal in, 00:18:12.865 --> 00:18:14.046 and it's not for everyone. 00:18:14.806 --> 00:18:16.989 But we also have strength and 00:18:17.548 --> 00:18:18.828 conditioning sessions for 00:18:18.868 --> 00:18:19.869 folks who are injured to 00:18:19.890 --> 00:18:20.710 kind of get back in the 00:18:20.730 --> 00:18:22.230 show and so we've like 00:18:22.549 --> 00:18:23.150 intentionally 00:18:23.230 --> 00:18:25.111 unintentionally created this 00:18:25.471 --> 00:18:26.530 community where folks can 00:18:26.590 --> 00:18:27.611 heal together and kind of 00:18:27.671 --> 00:18:29.211 get prepared together so it 00:18:29.231 --> 00:18:30.971 shows up in a in a bunch of 00:18:30.991 --> 00:18:31.912 ways there's more than 00:18:31.951 --> 00:18:33.272 enough to go around we are 00:18:33.313 --> 00:18:34.393 we end up being stronger 00:18:34.452 --> 00:18:35.673 together for each other we 00:18:35.712 --> 00:18:36.532 can learn from each other 00:18:36.712 --> 00:18:37.574 and we can create a better 00:18:37.594 --> 00:18:39.273 community for our performing artists 00:18:40.034 --> 00:18:41.015 If someone was listening right now, 00:18:41.055 --> 00:18:41.535 someone within the 00:18:41.555 --> 00:18:42.855 profession of rehabilitation, 00:18:42.875 --> 00:18:43.977 whatever that might be, 00:18:44.836 --> 00:18:45.817 and they wanted to work 00:18:45.837 --> 00:18:46.738 with performing artists, 00:18:46.758 --> 00:18:48.740 they wanted to do something 00:18:48.779 --> 00:18:49.720 similar to what you're doing, 00:18:50.181 --> 00:18:51.461 what would some suggestions be? 00:18:51.560 --> 00:18:53.222 I'll give you a couple of 00:18:53.242 --> 00:18:53.863 different scenarios. 00:18:53.962 --> 00:18:55.644 A student who still hasn't 00:18:55.683 --> 00:18:57.005 graduated yet or someone 00:18:57.025 --> 00:18:59.866 who's been in rehab, wherever that is, 00:19:00.287 --> 00:19:01.188 and is now looking from the 00:19:01.248 --> 00:19:02.327 outside in saying, well, 00:19:02.347 --> 00:19:03.888 how do I get into this? 00:19:03.949 --> 00:19:05.029 What would be a first step 00:19:05.049 --> 00:19:06.030 or two that you'd suggest? 00:19:09.517 --> 00:19:10.038 That's hard. 00:19:10.178 --> 00:19:15.901 I think for new grads, yeah, 00:19:16.020 --> 00:19:17.421 or like people who are 00:19:17.441 --> 00:19:19.982 aspiring to come into Performing Arts PT, 00:19:20.123 --> 00:19:21.522 it's really challenging. 00:19:21.763 --> 00:19:22.683 It's really challenging. 00:19:22.804 --> 00:19:23.483 And you need to... 00:19:25.281 --> 00:19:26.502 it's my personal opinion, obviously, 00:19:26.542 --> 00:19:28.363 but I think it is to 00:19:28.462 --> 00:19:29.864 everyone's benefit if the 00:19:29.943 --> 00:19:31.565 person who is entering into 00:19:31.644 --> 00:19:32.384 working with performing 00:19:32.444 --> 00:19:34.105 artists has had some time 00:19:34.226 --> 00:19:36.406 to develop like pattern 00:19:36.446 --> 00:19:37.646 recognition and like really 00:19:37.666 --> 00:19:39.067 efficient manual skills and 00:19:39.107 --> 00:19:40.328 clinical reasoning skills, 00:19:40.368 --> 00:19:41.409 because you're often the 00:19:41.449 --> 00:19:42.209 first point of medical 00:19:42.249 --> 00:19:43.170 contact if you're with 00:19:43.210 --> 00:19:44.750 someone backstage and you 00:19:44.830 --> 00:19:46.330 need to be prepared to make 00:19:46.351 --> 00:19:47.011 some really challenging 00:19:47.051 --> 00:19:48.471 conversations and get your 00:19:48.951 --> 00:19:50.752 emotions like kind of out of the picture, 00:19:50.772 --> 00:19:51.354 right? 00:19:51.673 --> 00:19:54.634 So I think that I know we like it, 00:19:54.974 --> 00:19:55.776 people who want to work with 00:19:55.816 --> 00:19:56.455 performing arts are like 00:19:56.757 --> 00:19:58.117 really want to work with performing arts, 00:19:58.137 --> 00:19:58.938 but I would say like, 00:19:59.519 --> 00:20:01.460 give yourself a beat and like, go, 00:20:01.780 --> 00:20:03.741 go get some reps in maybe 00:20:03.801 --> 00:20:05.824 like study for your OCS for a hot sec, 00:20:05.844 --> 00:20:06.003 you know? 00:20:06.023 --> 00:20:06.765 Cause I mean, for me, 00:20:06.785 --> 00:20:07.605 that really helps like 00:20:07.644 --> 00:20:08.246 bring a lot of things 00:20:08.286 --> 00:20:11.307 together and make sure that 00:20:11.327 --> 00:20:12.068 you're ready to handle it. 00:20:12.209 --> 00:20:13.809 That's one. 00:20:13.890 --> 00:20:16.711 I think to like learn dance 00:20:16.751 --> 00:20:17.772 culture a little bit or 00:20:17.813 --> 00:20:18.794 performing arts culture, 00:20:18.854 --> 00:20:19.734 performing arts culture is 00:20:19.775 --> 00:20:20.756 different in every space. 00:20:20.776 --> 00:20:22.217 And it's so important to be able to 00:20:22.737 --> 00:20:23.876 kind of put your finger on 00:20:23.916 --> 00:20:24.877 the pulse of the community 00:20:24.897 --> 00:20:25.798 that you're walking into. 00:20:25.857 --> 00:20:26.718 Like Broadway is different 00:20:26.738 --> 00:20:27.377 than modern dance is 00:20:27.397 --> 00:20:28.159 different than ballet is 00:20:28.179 --> 00:20:29.019 different than puppetry. 00:20:29.038 --> 00:20:30.378 And I'm not saying you have 00:20:30.398 --> 00:20:32.119 to be an expert in every single one, 00:20:32.200 --> 00:20:33.539 but kind of understanding 00:20:33.559 --> 00:20:34.181 what that looks like, 00:20:34.280 --> 00:20:34.861 even if you don't 00:20:34.881 --> 00:20:36.540 understand what the codified steps are, 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:37.461 that's fine. 00:20:37.481 --> 00:20:37.922 You can learn. 00:20:38.241 --> 00:20:38.721 Very important. 00:20:40.676 --> 00:20:43.779 And I think for folks who 00:20:44.019 --> 00:20:45.040 have put in the reps and 00:20:45.080 --> 00:20:46.982 are ready to dip their toes in, 00:20:47.002 --> 00:20:48.105 there's per diem 00:20:48.184 --> 00:20:50.907 opportunities for performing. 00:20:51.167 --> 00:20:52.809 Again, I'm speaking to my city. 00:20:53.170 --> 00:20:54.811 I can't speak to what's happening outside, 00:20:54.852 --> 00:20:56.653 but at least in New York City, 00:20:57.154 --> 00:20:58.316 there are opportunities for... 00:20:59.740 --> 00:21:00.701 clinicians to come in and 00:21:00.741 --> 00:21:01.682 help with some backstage 00:21:01.721 --> 00:21:03.364 coverage to get your feet wet, 00:21:03.923 --> 00:21:07.406 which could also lead to a job eventually, 00:21:07.767 --> 00:21:08.907 or more than a per diem job, 00:21:08.928 --> 00:21:10.308 a more permanent job. 00:21:10.409 --> 00:21:11.829 Yeah. 00:21:11.910 --> 00:21:13.111 Where can people find 00:21:13.330 --> 00:21:14.912 information about your business? 00:21:14.932 --> 00:21:15.853 I wanted to make sure you 00:21:16.113 --> 00:21:17.074 gave out that link and 00:21:17.094 --> 00:21:18.054 people can take a look at 00:21:18.074 --> 00:21:18.615 what you're doing. 00:21:18.974 --> 00:21:20.316 I appreciate that. 00:21:21.156 --> 00:21:24.459 www.flyspacenyc.com. 00:21:25.390 --> 00:21:26.009 Perfect. 00:21:26.089 --> 00:21:27.911 Yeah, you can go to flyspaceNYC.com. 00:21:27.971 --> 00:21:29.070 Is there anything I didn't 00:21:29.371 --> 00:21:30.871 ask that you maybe thought like, hey, 00:21:31.411 --> 00:21:32.191 I hope I get a chance to 00:21:32.211 --> 00:21:33.612 talk about this or when you 00:21:33.652 --> 00:21:34.692 talk with other people who 00:21:34.731 --> 00:21:35.632 do something similar to 00:21:35.652 --> 00:21:36.971 what you do that comes up, 00:21:36.991 --> 00:21:37.593 is there anything I didn't 00:21:37.613 --> 00:21:42.874 get a chance to ask? 00:21:42.894 --> 00:21:46.253 We talked about, yeah, 00:21:46.555 --> 00:21:47.795 my biggest points are like 00:21:47.835 --> 00:21:50.494 the proactive injury 00:21:50.515 --> 00:21:53.115 management and then community building. 00:21:54.194 --> 00:21:55.276 and using each other's 00:21:55.316 --> 00:21:56.957 resources and lifting each other up. 00:21:57.057 --> 00:21:59.439 I think that's the soapbox 00:21:59.479 --> 00:22:00.380 I've been on recently. 00:22:00.851 --> 00:22:01.632 And those two things that 00:22:01.652 --> 00:22:03.393 you just said are very simple to say, 00:22:03.973 --> 00:22:07.056 not necessarily easy to do. 00:22:07.096 --> 00:22:08.037 So how hard could it be? 00:22:08.057 --> 00:22:08.778 It's just get a bunch of 00:22:08.798 --> 00:22:10.960 people to think forward and 00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:11.941 invest in something that 00:22:12.361 --> 00:22:13.761 hopefully will pay dividends in the end. 00:22:14.061 --> 00:22:15.303 But if you do invest in it, 00:22:15.624 --> 00:22:17.045 the chances are you don't see it. 00:22:17.325 --> 00:22:18.486 So it's a lot like selling 00:22:18.526 --> 00:22:19.426 something like insurance 00:22:19.467 --> 00:22:20.508 where you hope the person 00:22:20.528 --> 00:22:21.449 never has to use it. 00:22:21.788 --> 00:22:23.309 Or if it's there, you don't see it. 00:22:23.750 --> 00:22:24.791 And creating community, 00:22:24.832 --> 00:22:25.731 how hard could it be? 00:22:26.472 --> 00:22:26.613 Well, 00:22:26.633 --> 00:22:28.255 these are humans doing human-y things. 00:22:28.934 --> 00:22:29.876 And understanding those 00:22:29.916 --> 00:22:30.478 people and trying to 00:22:30.518 --> 00:22:32.582 facilitate that is very simple to say, 00:22:33.102 --> 00:22:35.306 but not necessarily easy to execute on. 00:22:35.807 --> 00:22:36.669 I could not agree more. 00:22:36.729 --> 00:22:38.211 And one thing I will say is like, 00:22:39.425 --> 00:22:40.866 I feel like I used to be, 00:22:40.906 --> 00:22:41.967 and I'm conditioning myself 00:22:42.207 --> 00:22:43.188 out of being one of those 00:22:43.208 --> 00:22:44.828 people who's like, yeah, 00:22:44.868 --> 00:22:46.628 we're just going to break the internet. 00:22:46.689 --> 00:22:48.029 We're going to make one post 00:22:48.049 --> 00:22:49.289 and everything's going to happen, 00:22:49.570 --> 00:22:50.871 or we're going to have one 00:22:50.911 --> 00:22:51.951 interaction and things are 00:22:51.991 --> 00:22:53.011 going to just change. 00:22:53.211 --> 00:22:54.792 And it's absolutely not. 00:22:54.813 --> 00:22:55.813 I'm sitting here talking 00:22:55.853 --> 00:22:57.993 about shouting to the abyss 00:22:58.094 --> 00:22:59.694 and obviously making plans. 00:22:59.734 --> 00:23:01.976 These are things I expect to see in five, 00:23:02.036 --> 00:23:03.477 ten, fifteen, twenty years. 00:23:03.676 --> 00:23:04.676 And we're planting the seeds 00:23:04.717 --> 00:23:05.877 now and sowing it and 00:23:05.958 --> 00:23:07.638 watching things grow slowly. 00:23:08.618 --> 00:23:10.299 but uh very passionate about 00:23:10.339 --> 00:23:11.480 it happened for a long time 00:23:11.560 --> 00:23:13.382 and I'm I'm here I'm here 00:23:13.402 --> 00:23:14.741 for it yeah good things 00:23:14.761 --> 00:23:16.182 happen that way uh marissa 00:23:16.202 --> 00:23:16.983 last thing we do on each 00:23:17.023 --> 00:23:17.784 episode is called the 00:23:17.824 --> 00:23:19.345 parting shot it's just your 00:23:19.384 --> 00:23:21.306 last chance uh to take a 00:23:21.346 --> 00:23:22.807 bow a mic drop moment 00:23:23.426 --> 00:23:24.428 soapbox statement what 00:23:24.448 --> 00:23:24.928 would you want to leave 00:23:24.948 --> 00:23:25.667 with the audience as we 00:23:25.708 --> 00:23:27.449 wrap up okay well first of 00:23:27.469 --> 00:23:29.990 all like I I am drinking a 00:23:30.049 --> 00:23:32.251 tea oh yeah I've got I've 00:23:32.271 --> 00:23:33.132 got an espresso because we 00:23:33.152 --> 00:23:33.853 are recording at ten 00:23:33.873 --> 00:23:34.553 o'clock in the morning 00:23:34.804 --> 00:23:35.743 Correct, correct. 00:23:35.784 --> 00:23:37.144 So there's no alcohol 00:23:37.164 --> 00:23:38.425 involved in this situation right now. 00:23:38.445 --> 00:23:41.287 But what are my parting words? 00:23:41.886 --> 00:23:42.507 Yeah, parting shot. 00:23:42.527 --> 00:23:43.127 What would you want to leave 00:23:43.147 --> 00:23:44.167 with the audience? 00:23:44.288 --> 00:23:44.667 Yeah. 00:23:47.449 --> 00:23:48.430 I think I want to go back to 00:23:48.470 --> 00:23:50.990 this idea of community. 00:23:51.431 --> 00:23:55.732 I think it's really easy to judge a person 00:23:56.876 --> 00:23:58.838 or an interaction by the 00:23:58.939 --> 00:24:00.480 information that you have in the moment. 00:24:00.539 --> 00:24:02.240 And it's never as easy as that. 00:24:03.142 --> 00:24:04.262 And I think we do ourselves 00:24:04.303 --> 00:24:07.505 a disservice if we don't do 00:24:07.525 --> 00:24:08.486 the work to get more 00:24:08.625 --> 00:24:10.126 information and kind of 00:24:10.247 --> 00:24:11.528 invest in people and 00:24:11.607 --> 00:24:12.909 relationships and things 00:24:13.970 --> 00:24:16.050 without all the data first. 00:24:16.330 --> 00:24:17.152 Which is kind of like 00:24:17.811 --> 00:24:19.012 tangentially related to 00:24:19.032 --> 00:24:20.634 where the name Flyspace came from. 00:24:20.693 --> 00:24:22.415 Flyspace is my business and 00:24:22.435 --> 00:24:23.556 my physical therapy company. 00:24:24.901 --> 00:24:28.166 we were thinking about, and by we, 00:24:28.207 --> 00:24:28.567 I mean me, 00:24:29.169 --> 00:24:30.171 I was thinking about being 00:24:30.211 --> 00:24:31.794 something like onstage PT 00:24:31.854 --> 00:24:34.278 or stage left PT or something like that, 00:24:34.397 --> 00:24:35.580 offstage PT, whatever. 00:24:37.300 --> 00:24:38.422 But then someone, 00:24:38.461 --> 00:24:40.262 a friend of mine mentioned, he was like, 00:24:40.462 --> 00:24:41.663 what about fly space? 00:24:41.703 --> 00:24:42.604 And I was like, well, first of all, 00:24:42.644 --> 00:24:43.565 what's fly space? 00:24:43.585 --> 00:24:45.766 And the fly space is the 00:24:45.965 --> 00:24:48.528 area above the proscenium stage. 00:24:48.567 --> 00:24:49.307 Proscenium is like most 00:24:49.347 --> 00:24:50.128 theater that we see, right? 00:24:50.148 --> 00:24:51.648 With the curtain and the stage, yeah. 00:24:51.769 --> 00:24:52.829 And the audience is sitting out front. 00:24:53.289 --> 00:24:54.451 The fly space is the area 00:24:54.550 --> 00:24:55.872 above the proscenium stage 00:24:55.912 --> 00:24:57.353 where flying set pieces and 00:24:57.452 --> 00:24:58.232 actors are hung. 00:24:58.933 --> 00:24:59.993 And when he said that, I was like, 00:25:00.054 --> 00:25:00.394 you know, 00:25:01.359 --> 00:25:02.141 That's really brilliant. 00:25:02.221 --> 00:25:03.382 And it's brilliant because 00:25:04.001 --> 00:25:05.384 my philosophy has always been, 00:25:05.503 --> 00:25:07.826 if you stand far enough away, 00:25:07.885 --> 00:25:08.787 or in this case up, 00:25:09.207 --> 00:25:11.429 you can start to see all of the players. 00:25:11.749 --> 00:25:12.009 Right. 00:25:12.430 --> 00:25:13.590 And so you're not just 00:25:13.611 --> 00:25:14.991 seeing them from stage, right. 00:25:15.152 --> 00:25:16.113 Where like, you know, 00:25:16.353 --> 00:25:18.515 I'm missing a big chunk, but I'm, 00:25:18.535 --> 00:25:20.517 I'm seeing them from above. 00:25:20.992 --> 00:25:22.374 in the context of their 00:25:22.433 --> 00:25:24.556 surroundings with all the players. 00:25:24.635 --> 00:25:25.076 Right, 00:25:25.096 --> 00:25:27.159 so I start to actually understand 00:25:27.199 --> 00:25:28.119 what's going on and can put 00:25:28.140 --> 00:25:29.059 them in context. 00:25:30.602 --> 00:25:32.242 So how is that? 00:25:32.864 --> 00:25:33.463 Pretty damn good. 00:25:33.904 --> 00:25:35.125 Okay, thanks. 00:25:35.145 --> 00:25:36.606 Marissa Schaffer from Flyspace. 00:25:36.948 --> 00:25:37.708 Thanks so much for taking 00:25:37.728 --> 00:25:38.588 the time and talking with us today. 00:25:38.608 --> 00:25:39.369 We appreciate it. 00:25:39.410 --> 00:25:39.990 My pleasure. 00:25:40.049 --> 00:25:40.451 Thank you.