Rebecca Griffith is back on
the live stream.
People know her as the EDDPT.
Rebecca, how are you?
I'm good.
How about you?
Doing great.
Good weekend.
Anything fun, exciting?
You're in a fun, bright place.
You're in a sunny place.
Yeah, Colorado was beautiful this weekend.
I have no complaints about that.
We spent the weekend in track meet.
That's fun.
Yeah, it was good.
Yeah.
We're going to go back in
the Wayback Machine before
we dive into today's topic.
Three years ago today,
we were talking about books.
Do you remember?
This was three years ago?
I have no idea how that happened.
I don't either.
So I'm showing a screenshot of a Facebook,
one of those memories where it's like,
hey, three years ago.
And we were talking about
Vivek Murthy's book together,
The Healing Power of Human Connection.
He was the former.
Nineteenth Surgeon General of the US.
He was talking about how
like loneliness is an epidemic.
So we talked about that three years ago,
apparently.
lot and that was like you
know twenty twenty two when
we were like doing book
club maybe we'll bring well
this is sort of better than
book club not that I don't
like twenty people talking
about a book but like it's
hard to talk when there's
eight or ten or twelve
people in a room especially
like me I want to talk yeah
and I actually kind of like
talking about a lot of
different books instead of
just talking about one book
because everybody brings
like a different
perspective and then like
you mentioned a book last
week I read it this week and it was great
All right, so let's dive into it.
So last week I sort of,
we had to go kind of quick,
but I went through this six
types of working genius
book and I'd heard of it before.
Um, and, but I listened to it,
which was the first time I
think I ever finished an
entire audio book.
I don't, I listened to a lot of podcasts,
but not a lot of books.
Um, and then you were like, Hey,
that's interesting.
And then people like normal people,
I think like more people, not like,
like you're abnormal,
but you are abnormal in
that you'll like buy the
book and finish the book in
less than a week.
That's a little abnormal.
Well,
I listened to it like you did since
you were listening to it,
but I listen to audio books
on two point five speed.
So I think that's part of it.
I don't know why,
but that just gives me
heart palpitations.
I can listen to something on,
like I listen to like work stuff,
like work lessons.
I'm like one point two five.
And I think I'm edgy there.
One point five is too much for me.
No, two point five feels just about right.
Like if I slow it down,
it feels like they're talking so slowly.
I don't know.
My brain just prefers that.
All right,
so let's dive into six types of
working genius.
Well,
you asked ChatGPT how we should
format this.
So you tell me,
how are we gonna format this?
Well,
I asked ChatGPT about strength
binders and how we could
use that based on our six
areas of working genius.
Because we talked about that
last week and I felt like
we were pretty solid with
the six types of working genius.
But I wanted to mention I
had a conversation with my
husband about that.
So you and I were trying to
guess each other's strengths.
And I was like, hey, husband,
here's the basic premise.
What would you choose my two
strengths are?
And he chose totally different things.
And I think that's because
who I am for my family and
who I am professionally
maybe are different.
And maybe some people have
like the same strengths
throughout their life or is
it just that I'm in those
roles at home like those
are just my roles and are
those my yellow roles I
don't know but so I've been
thinking about that a
little bit this week have
you thought about that
whether you personally feel
like you're different you
mentioned it I've thought
about it I also I have I
don't even know the
technical term I have a
very chameleony personality
but I think a lot of people
do which is like listen
when I'm around my bros
I'm a different guy in that group.
You throw another person in
that group and everybody's
sort of like doing the math
where they're like,
who do I need to be more of?
Who do I need to be less of?
I don't know.
Maybe that's just me.
I'll stop talking in
generalities and I'll just talk about me.
But I'm different when I'm
around my family versus, well,
even like different parts of the family.
If I'm in a group of cousins or if,
you know,
you throw an aunt and uncle in the mix,
it changes.
So I think that's kind of universal.
I think we're different
people at different times.
Well,
also it's the space that needs to be
filled, right?
And so I think my strengths
at home are the supportive
one and the one that finishes things.
And that is because nobody
else in the house really has those gifts.
So even if they're the
things that kind of drain me of energy,
they're still the things
that I am the most skilled
at and can deliver for my family.
And it's a gift to be able to do that.
But it was really
interesting to think about that.
Like, why am I in these roles?
Could I be doing something
differently at home that
would play more to my strengths too?
Yeah.
I've got two really good
friends from high school.
Can hang out with them together,
but definitely can hang out
with them separately, right?
And Brian is a middle school
social studies teacher.
Brian's the down the middle.
You know,
I don't think I would offend him.
He's a play it safe guy.
Like he's always done the right thing.
When I'm with Brian,
I can be sort of edgy.
Cause Brian's never going to
let me go too far.
Brian's been a dad even
before he had kids.
Like I was his first kid probably.
Right.
But I hang out with my buddy
Paco and Paco's a little more risk averse,
sorry, risk risk takers, not risk averse,
risk taker.
So with Paco, I can like go with him,
but I probably am a little more like,
Hey man,
maybe this is as far as we should go.
Like this feels like, cause I'm like,
there's no Brian to anchor us.
So I think we do,
we do change based on who we're with.
All right,
let's relate this to StrengthsFinders.
How do you wanna do that?
Well,
so I was thinking about that and I
think that the six areas of
working genius are just
sort of a way to
consolidate the strength finders.
Yeah, yeah.
It's a parallel.
Can we review it real quick?
Yeah.
So six types of working
genius says there are six
types of activities, right?
So that's where I think
strength finders is talking
about your DNA.
I think six types of working
genius is talking about the
types of activities that
need to be done in work, at home,
just in things.
And since there are six,
they tested so many people
and they figured out that
everybody is sort of a
genius at two of them.
Yeah.
meaning you get energy from them,
could do them all day long.
They call them geniuses, right?
And then that's like green, yellow, red,
green, yellow, red, right?
So green would be geniuses,
yellow would be competencies.
You can do it neither here nor there,
it's a little like mayonnaise.
And then there are frustrations.
These are the things if you
had to do them for a
prolonged period of time,
you would hate life and be
like this job or this activity, I'm out.
Whereas StrengthsFinders is
like talking about drivers or how you,
I don't know,
how would you sort of frame it?
It's like an internal part of your DNA.
Yeah.
So they talk about like how
it sets you apart from other people.
They call it your talent DNA.
Talent DNA.
All right.
So how do you want to dive into this?
Because this is,
I feel like a little more complicated,
which I'm never for,
but I did like taking
StrengthsFinders a few years ago.
Well, there's thirty four of them.
And I feel like that's kind of excessive.
It's sort of ranking where
you are in these thirty
four characteristics.
And I think every physical
therapist probably has some
combination of these.
What I'm curious about is
what you think would make
the top strengths for a PT,
because I'm going to guess
that yours and mine are also different.
Well,
they're definitely different just
because there's too many.
I don't know.
I don't know if I know
StrengthsFinders well enough.
And again, I took it because Megan Moran,
who's a PT faculty at
Marymount where I went to school,
they used this as a way –
they gave it to a bunch of
incoming PT students.
But the way she presented it at CSM,
I believe –
She was like,
most of the time when you
take StrengthsFinders,
the results don't shock you.
They're not shocking.
They're cool to find out about yourself,
but they're not like, oh my God,
I had no idea.
Where she said there was
value is because it's a
problem-based learning school in small,
everything was,
most of the things were done in groups.
It was unique to be like, oh,
how do I interact with
someone who's good at that
or maybe bad at that?
And how do we fit together?
Because most of the things
we're going to do in life
is with a partner, with a group.
Yeah, and it's got different themes,
right?
Like executing, influencing,
relationship building,
and strategic thinking.
And I think those themes are
key for physical therapists.
And then it's like little
characteristics within that.
But I like that it gives you
like your top five.
Right.
So what would be the top
five for a perfect PT if we
were to grow a PT in a lab?
I think that's a great question.
question so one of them this
is gonna this might be
you'll appreciate this
because this is one of
yours is woo I think top
five say it one more time I
think woo should be in the
top five of a perfect pt
yeah okay because you have
to like get some buy-in
from your patient you have
to have them trust you have
to build a relationship
like it's like like your
first visit with patients a
little bit like first date
you want to make sure that
there's some chemistry
there there's a match there
there's like some buy-in
So I think Wu would be one.
Um, I agree.
Um, Wu was my, and they,
or they order these Wu is
my number three and Wu
falls into the pay on the, the, their,
the strength finders pillar
of influencing.
It does,
which is themes help you take charge,
speak up and make sure others are heard.
It's uh, my number.
You're not a Wu person.
No, apparently not.
I'm an activator.
That's my influencer.
So the problem with Woo that I've found is,
me figuring out someone doesn't like me,
even if they do,
if I don't think they like me,
I then have to chase this down.
And I'm just jokingly,
not jokingly explaining this to people,
which is like,
I've been in some
relationships where I'm like,
I spent ninety percent of
that relationship just
trying to get that person to like me.
And the person did like me,
but I wasn't sure of it.
So it's not necessarily, it's a strength,
but it could also be a weakness.
You got to finish the let
them book then Jimmy.
I know I'm on it.
I'm on it.
Cause we're working on that one.
All right.
So what else,
what else would go into a
perfect physical therapist?
Probably communication.
Yeah.
You're going to have to be
able to take what you know
and communicate it.
Cause it doesn't do anything in your head.
Analytical.
Because you've got to be
able to figure out, I mean,
a lot of it is evaluation and diagnosis.
Okay.
Yeah.
Um, maybe.
And individualization is
you're intrigued by the
unique qualities of each person.
So you're very interested
patient to patient in what
is going on as an individual.
I have that one.
That's in my top five.
Is that in your top five?
No.
Okay.
I'm a very good PT now, Jimmy.
That's not how this works.
We all have our skills.
We need our familiar skills
in unfamiliar places,
and that's our superpower.
And then maybe empathy.
Oh, okay.
Absolutely.
I mean,
empathy will put you in the shoes
or attempt to be able to
understand what another
person is feeling.
I do not have empathy in my top five.
It's not my top five either.
All right, let's skip through this.
Hold on.
Now let's go five to one.
What are in your top five?
And we'll give a brief
breakdown of what those things are.
Strategic is number one.
Okay.
And strategic falls under which...
strategic thinking oh
obviously okay good jimmy
didn't pay attention that's
a good pt characteristic
it's a thing that helps you
absorb and analyze
information that helps make
better decisions okay
what's your number four my
number or sorry number
strategic was my number one
oh okay and it says you
create alternative ways to
proceed faced with any
given scenario you can
quickly spot the relevant
patterns and issues I think
that's perfect for an edpt
So I'm going to take that.
Okay.
Number two is activator.
You can make things happen
by turning thoughts into actions.
You want to do things now
rather than simply talk about them.
Good.
Cause talking about it's nice,
but if we're not moving and
not doing an activating on it, it's not,
it's not kind of not worth it.
Right.
Input.
You have a need to collect an archive.
You may accumulate information, ideas,
artifacts, or even relationships.
So I'm a collector.
Okay.
of information I think
that's why I read so much
and I do feel like this is
going to sound bad but I
kind of feel like I collect
people to a certain extent
and build relationships in
that way um and cultivate
my network a little bit
okay what's next this is
not going to surprise you
futuristic you're inspired
by the future and what
could be you energize
others with your visions of the future
So that's when I'm talking
about top of scope, right?
Like who we could be as a profession.
Like that's definitely,
I feel like a match for my top five.
And then number five, achiever.
You work hard and possess a
great deal of stamina.
You take immense
satisfaction in being busy
and productive.
All right.
So when you looked at these things, first,
were they accurate?
Were there any surprises on there?
No, no.
I think when you look at the full list,
you're like, well,
is that who I want to be?
I mean, that's clearly who I am,
but is that like,
is that what I had hoped
would be out on the list?
I don't know.
Well, supposedly I asked this too.
I had Pam, Pam Bartlow.
She's a professor at a school in Buffalo.
I think she's a PT professor
and she is like a certified
strength finders coach.
Like she's able to like now come in and,
you know,
work with a team or an
organization about what do
you do with this sort of thing?
And I said, well,
can these change, you know,
like over time?
And she's like, generally, no.
She said,
I think she said it happened once,
but it was when that person
went through a monumental
life change and that person
had had a child.
It was a male and they had a baby.
And he's like, now things have shifted.
But it's also, it's a subjective, you know,
test.
You're answering these
questions and then it's
sort of analyzing you.
Well, my number thirty-four,
my worst one is consistency.
Okay.
Yeah.
you know, see,
I didn't pay for everything.
I just know my top five.
Cause I was like, give me the,
give me the highlights and I'll move on.
Well, I'm the girl that likes horoscopes.
So you can give me something like this.
This is like a cosmopolitan
personality quiz.
And I used to do those when
I was a teenager in the nineties.
So, you know,
I'm going to go all in on this.
All right.
So now that you know, your top five,
has it changed how you approach things?
Has it changed how you treat yourself?
Has it changed how you anything?
Well,
what I like about it is it gives you
like bigger things about
why each of those strengths
is a good thing and how to leverage them.
So I think that's actually
the most helpful part.
Like to tell you like, this is your skill.
Like,
why are you trying to do things this
way when you can use your
talents to do this?
And so I think that was
really the more helpful piece of it.
And it also tells you about blind spots.
Okay, look, tell me about that.
So this says watch out for blind spots.
So this is under strategic.
When working with others,
sometimes they may
misinterpret your strong
strategic challenge or
talents as criticism.
Be mindful of what is
already working well and
what others have accomplished.
Because you evaluate
patterns and pathways quickly,
others may find it
difficult to follow or
understand your thought process.
Be aware that you might have
to backtrack to explain how
you get where you are.
This is in my opinion is
actually where the value of
these tests come in.
Because, again,
I think it's like a horoscope.
It's the Cosmo, you know,
which friend's character are you?
It's cute.
It's nice.
It's a good self-reflection.
Where I think the power
comes in is how do I relate to others?
Was your PT program
problem-based learning?
I don't know.
did you do a lot of small
groups like a tutorial?
Okay.
So probably it was at least
some problem-based learning.
I went to a,
we had an individual interview
and a group interview for
Marymount university where
I eventually wound up going.
And the minute they put us
in a group interview and
they gave us a scenario and
there was a proctor there who was an alum,
right?
Probably the second they did that,
I was like,
I understand what the game is.
The game is not the scenario.
The game is how do you treat
the other people in the scenario?
Right?
So once I figured that out, I was able to,
For lack of a better term game the system,
but I was, you know,
that the game was figuring
out the game and we did that quickly.
And I think that was good
because doing the thing
that you're going to spend
a lot of time doing in the
interview when you're in PT
school is probably a good idea, but
People who don't have the
ability to do those things,
it's not easy.
So understanding this, okay,
this person's a little shy,
but I want to look good.
I'm wooing.
I'm trying to win over everybody,
including the proctor.
I'm going to pass the ball
to this person across the table for me,
and then I'm going to bring back this,
and I'm going to take the
person who's overly trying
to win the game, which is not me,
And I'm going to acknowledge them,
but try to get them to tamp
it down without telling them to shut up.
So it is, you know, and we do this,
I think we do this innately in life.
We try to figure out where
we are and what's needed,
as we mentioned in the
beginning of this conversation.
Yeah,
and there's just so many pieces in
here that are helpful too
if you like apply it to patient care.
Like one of these things in
here for the activator,
it says it's very likely
you excel as a solo performer.
You're quite eager to start new projects,
jobs, and assignments.
People who cause delays
undoubtedly frustrate you
and they don't understand
your need to make progress.
So I like seeing patients one time.
Oh,
so in the ED is right down your middle.
Right.
Because like it's just by nature,
you motivate people.
So if I can motivate those
patients and then send them
on to the next step,
then I'm not going to get
frustrated if they're not
doing their plan, if they're not,
if they're progressing on
their timeline and not my timeline,
like urgency is my timeline.
Like let's, let's look at you,
let's get you going and
let's like move on to the next thing.
Yeah.
The novelty of what I do
fits so well with what's here also.
And like my need to look at
like QI stuff wherever I am,
I think it's part of this as well.
Quality improvement, like really,
how could we be doing this better?
Can we do this differently?
And like,
I can't be in the same place over
and over again.
Yeah.
Maybe I should have been in the ED.
I would have stuck around
clinical care longer.
Yeah,
and sometimes you might charge ahead
and act without a solid plan.
Sometimes that's a good idea though.
Inaction, indecision is a decision.
You have decided not to act.
And I know it feels safe.
I use this all the time.
Where I know I'm more of a ready, fire,
aim kind of person.
And that can get me in trouble.
It can also help me win though.
But if you were a patient...
Like which strength would
you want your PT to have be number one?
Oh, see, I don't know all of them.
I guess.
I don't know.
Cause I don't really need
somebody who has a ton of empathy.
I need somebody who's going
to drive me into the ground.
Yeah.
I mean,
you want the empathy cause you want
them to be able to take
what they're seeing and say, okay,
I understand what's going on here, but,
but then yes, I, so yeah,
I'm sort of like people who
lay out a plan for me.
I'm like, I didn't follow it.
Give me, I mean, yeah, I was an athlete.
Like I love playing for coaches.
I was like, if you give me a plan,
tell me like the three
things I need to do.
Don't give me thirty three things.
Give me three that I need to
do every single shift or
every single inning or every single race.
Like and I will do those three things.
So I like people who can break things down,
I guess.
Yeah.
What would that be?
Because I don't know all the
other strengths on the.
Let's see.
I would think.
Maybe maybe the analytical
person or the arranger.
What's the arranger again?
I don't know if I have that
one like all spelled out on my list here.
Well,
it sounds like someone who arranges
things and I'm just that's
just me being analytical.
Yeah.
All right,
do you wanna hear my top five to
see if there's any surprises?
I do.
Okay,
my top five are Gallup Strength Finders.
I'll go from five to one.
My number five falls in that
relationship building pillar,
which is themes that help
you build strong
relationships that hold a team together.
So my number five is individualization.
I'm intrigued by the unique
qualities of each person,
but I'm impatient with
generalizations or types
because I don't want to
obscure what's special and
distinct about each person.
So this is where I got
yelled at as a PT student
with my clinical instructors.
Cause they're like,
why are you spending so
much time talking to these people?
And I'm like,
aren't you just curious about them?
And they're like, move it along chief.
And I'm like,
this is nails on a chalkboard to me.
I didn't want to move it along.
I got that in my fellowship too, just now.
Did you really?
Yeah.
Like you're doing a great
job connecting with the patients,
but you gotta, you gotta move it.
And I'm like, do I do you though?
That's my question.
Or like,
what if we didn't get to the thing?
I'll give you an example of
where doing that helped my
last clinical rotation.
I had a good CI who was sort of like,
do your thing, man.
You're going to graduate in
like three months.
Like, you know,
you're as close to on your
own as you're going to get.
She saw someone come up on
my calendar on my schedule and was like,
Oh, little background on her.
frequent flyer.
She comes in every six, eight months.
I've never been able to help.
Maybe you can.
Different approach.
Okay.
Balance issues.
That's super vague.
I don't know what that means.
That could be a billion things.
So I'm like, we were attached to a gym.
So I was like, let's go walk.
I want to see you walk.
So I wanted to walk outside.
It was like a strip mall sort of vibe.
So I was like, treadmill.
Let's do a treadmill.
So we're watching a walk on a treadmill.
But now you're standing there awkwardly.
So what do you do when
someone's walking on a treadmill?
You're standing there.
You talk to them.
I'm like, this is great.
Now the focus isn't talking.
Now the focus is walking.
And this is the thing that's
distracting you.
Well, ten minutes in,
think I asked like what do
you think is the balance
issues because she
described the balance
issues and they were still
vague there was nothing
there and she's like I and
she's she's like I don't
really know and a minute
later I let there be some
pause I do shut up every
once in a while let there
be some silence and she
said I drink about a six
pack a day do you think
that would have an effect on my balance
And, uh, and I was smart enough to say,
hang on a second.
We have got a thread.
Let's pull this, but don't yank it.
Let's just let it go.
And I said, what do you,
what do you think?
Do you think that might
affect your balance?
And she's like, I think it probably does.
And I'm like,
And now we're onto something.
And then I found out her
daughter just had a baby.
So now she has a grandchild,
but the daughter doesn't
want her around the
grandchild if she's gonna
be intoxicated frequently.
So now we have a problem
that she understands and we
have a motivation.
Getting better is super vague.
holding the baby is tangible.
And I was like,
everything in my brain was like, whoop,
whoop, whoop.
This is great.
I can't, I can't believe this.
You wouldn't have gotten
that in three minutes of a subjective.
I'm sorry.
You wouldn't, you wouldn't.
I had a patient who was
eighty something and I said,
why do you think you keep falling?
She's like,
it's probably the seven shots
of tequila I have while I'm
watching my shows.
I was like, cool,
let's watch the shows in
bed and we'll get you a bedside commode.
She's like, great.
That sounds perfect.
She's eighty five.
She's not going to change
what she's doing.
She makes her happy.
But when I was on my fellowship rotation,
I was in a completely
different state even.
And I went and I was working
with this patient who had
been coming in over and over again.
And he just said, I want to tell you about
something that happened to me at work.
And this guy's been not able
to get back to work for a
really long time.
And he was in a really like
first responder kind of profession.
And he told me the most
traumatic thing he's ever
experienced in patient care.
And I can see why he doesn't
want to go back to work.
Like his is not progressing.
Like his medical condition
is not progressing.
And I said,
do you feel like you want to go
back to that?
And he's like,
I can still feel this
person's head in my hands.
And I won't share like how
graphic and awful it really
was because was,
I'm now holding part of that for him.
Um,
but he gave me a hug at the end and he
was like, I need to talk to somebody.
They said, you do.
And I think that needs to be
part of your recovery process here.
And he's like,
I don't know why you were
the one that I needed to tell this,
but you are the one that I
felt like could hold it for me.
And I was like, yeah, I'll help you hold,
hold this person's head for you.
Like I'll hold it with you.
And I think if you are like
constantly moving it along
so that we can get you onto
the leg press.
You're missing a lot.
right because is he gonna
progress to the point where
he can truly get back to
work now there are some
people it's just it's
there's some people it's
just a hip issue man yeah
like I'm not just counting
that but that person has a
lot going on in their life
but this isn't a thread to
everything so I don't want
someone out there saying
like well jimmy needs to
talk to people for sixty
five minutes to figure out no
But it's hard.
How do you?
Yeah.
You got to read the room.
Maybe that's an analytical thing.
Maybe that's probably one of those things.
All right.
So that's my number five.
That's individualization.
Number four.
This is what I thought would
be my number one because I
have a degree in it,
which is communication.
So communication falls under
the pillar of influencing.
Themes that help you take charge,
speak up and make sure others are heard.
Communication, you like to explain, shock.
To describe, shocking.
To host, shock.
To speak in public and to write.
To speak in public, to write a little bit,
right?
This is your communication theme at work.
Ideas are a dry beginning.
Events are static.
You feel you need to bring them to life,
to energize them,
to make them exciting and vivid.
This was not a shock to me.
I can't believe it's number four though.
It's number four.
That was the biggest shock
because I was like, wow.
And as soon as I got to that one,
I was like, then what the hell are three,
two, one?
Yeah, it's number seven for me.
So it's in my top ten,
but I'm surprised it's four for you.
Number four.
Number three also falls in
that same pillar of influencing is woo.
And I never realized that
woo is an acronym and it
stands for winning others over.
What?
That's what it says here.
I was like, that's what woo means?
Um,
you enjoy the challenge of meeting new
people and getting them to
like you challenge.
Strangers are rarely
intimidating on the contrary.
Strangers can be energizing.
You're drawn to them.
You want to, uh, learn their names,
asking questions and find
some area of common interest.
So you can strike up a
conversation and build rapport.
Not a shock.
No.
So that's number three.
Now, this is the biggest shock though now,
is my number two and my
number one both fall in
strategic thinking pillar.
Those are themes that help you absorb,
analyze information that
inform better decisions.
I would not think I am a
strategic analyzer type person.
I don't know.
To me,
like analyzing sounds too spreadsheety.
And I'm like, I don't do that.
I grip and rip.
But my number two and my
number one are both in
strategic thinking.
Two is ideation.
And then once you say it, you're like,
well, that makes sense.
So ideation, you're fascinated by ideas.
What's an idea?
It's a concept,
the best explanation of the
most... An idea is a concept,
the best explanation of the most events.
I don't know.
That's a weird sentence.
That's not properly written.
You are delighted when you discover...
beneath the complex service,
an elegantly simple concept
to explain why things are
the way they are.
An idea is a connection.
This is why I love dry erase boards.
This is why when someone says,
this is the first time this
has ever happened, I'm like, ooh,
why didn't it happen before?
How's it happening now?
What's changed?
And this is why I get
sidetracked on things a lot.
So I have to know this and be like,
you might have to dial it
back if I need to execute on something.
So my number two is ideation.
That doesn't surprise me at all.
Right.
Number one is also in strategic thinking.
And I was shocked just from the word,
the name of this thing.
I was like, that's me.
And then I tell this to
people who know me and they're like, yeah,
that's you.
And I'm like, oh, OK.
So sometimes it's not so
obvious to ourself.
My number one is futuristic thinking.
futuristic is described as
in quotes wouldn't it be
great if dot dot dot you're
the kind of person who
loves to peer over the
horizon the future
fascinates you that's
absolutely true if it were
projected uh the future
fascinates you fascinates
you as if it were projected
on the wall you see in
detail what the future
might hold and this
detailed picture keeps
pulling you forward into
tomorrow I love adding two
things that don't make
sense radio dj physical
therapist doesn't make any sense
This was not on purpose.
This was by accident.
But yes, I love those things.
This is why I like the
podcast has now shifted
into more discussions on
books or something,
which is let's bring a new
idea in and let's play with it.
Let's bat it around like a
kitten with a ball of yarn
or let's do live streams
with Tony and Dave.
Let's take this thing.
I kind of understand like as
much as anybody can't
business communications,
marketing technology.
How do these things all play
well in an ever evolving sandbox?
So this is my number one.
And what do you do for work right now?
I work for a health tech innovation,
artificial intelligence organization that,
but here's the thing.
You would think that a futuristic person,
I would need to be the person like coding,
but there's not,
there's not a chance in
hell I'm ever going to be
able to learn how to build
any of these AI things.
But that goes back to your areas of genius,
right?
Like you're not the builder,
you're the thinker.
Correct.
So I'm but I bet you there
are some coders who are
thinking because without a great idea.
Right.
Or this is where partners
come in hand like Steve
Wozniak and Steve Jobs.
Like Jobs was definitely a wonder.
And I don't know what his might.
This would that would be a fun exercise.
Take famous people and make chat GPT.
Tell us what their six types
of working genius are to explain it.
Definitely be a wonder.
But Steve Jobs is not a galvanizer.
Well, I don't know.
Maybe he was because he was
all about giving the TED
talky type things.
I don't know.
It'd be fun.
It'd be fun to like figure
the reverse engineer what
those things were and why
they were successful.
There I go using some of my
strengths finders again.
Ooh, I wonder why or how did he do that?
But in the book,
the six areas of genius book,
one of the things that I
really appreciated was when
one of the people who was the finisher,
like the one,
the implementer and the finisher,
they were like,
you have no idea how much
work it actually takes to
take your idea and then make it happen.
And we need you to be a
little bit more cognizant of
what it takes to take your
idea and apply real life to
it and to make it into a thing.
And so I think that's
sometimes the thinkers are
the ones that get all the credit,
but really the implementers
ought to get lifted up a little bit.
Totally,
and then I would see your that
phrase and idea and raise
you another one.
Steve Jobs, in his book,
if you read his biography,
they used to say he had a
reality distortion field.
Did you read his biography?
No, but apparently – It was really long.
It could have been three
hundred pages shorter.
It's still been a great story.
But he had this thing where
he'd say – I forget the specifics, but –
An iPhone is like a metal case, right?
It's just a metal box with stuff inside.
And they were like,
if you know anything about electronics,
it's like signals don't go through metal,
man.
But he was like, make it happen.
And they're like, we can't.
And he's like, make it happen.
So he walked around and he was like,
I'm just going to have a
distorted view of reality
where if I keep pushing you,
you will make it happen.
So without that,
would you have the progress?
So you, but here's the thing.
Someone still has to do it.
So you need those several
different types of people
or the thing doesn't get done.
But yes, you're right.
The wonder invention person
typically gets the credit
because they're on stage.
I want to be that for physical therapy.
Like I want to be the person
that says we should be
doing it at this level.
We should be practicing at this level.
And then I get people that say, well,
we can't do that.
We don't do it that way.
It's not possible.
Is it,
can I like go to conferences now and
be like, may I get happened?
Yes,
except there was a formal relationship
with Steve and his employees.
They were all on a mission
to do whatever the
particular mission of Apple,
if you want to look it up,
I'm sure it exists somewhere.
This is where I have a good
problem with conferences
like the Graham Sessions.
And just for people who are
out there who might not have heard of it.
It's a super small invitee
only ish sort of group of people.
It's like a hundred people.
I'm fudging some of the statistics,
but it's small and it gets better.
We're supposed to do
everybody gets together.
We're supposed to solve the big problems.
I feel like that room has a
lot of wow people.
And then the problem is
they're not tied to each other.
So you get a bunch of people
who are talking at thirty thousand feet.
But there's no – number one,
there may be less
enablement and tenacity
people in the room.
The GSD people – look it up
if you don't know what GSD means.
There's not a whole lot of
GSD people in there,
and then no one's
responsible for doing any
of the things that are talked about.
That also drives people like me crazy.
I was like, are we going to go now?
And they're like, well,
just go do it yourself.
I'm like, no, man.
So you – like Steve had people on his team,
and their only job and the
reason they were there was do this –
And they talked about the friction.
Michael Jordan.
People thought he was just
the biggest a-hole.
And he was like Steve Jobs.
He was like, we're going to be champions.
And we're going to beat everybody.
And we're going to outwork people.
And they were like,
can't we just phone this workout in?
And he's like, no.
No, we're not.
This is why he has, I don't know,
a lot of championship rings.
Five rings or something.
And cute shoes.
His mom had the discernment
view of looking... Did you see Air?
Did you see the movie Air?
No, but I need to.
Very good movie.
Tells the story behind the
story of Michael Jordan
getting his shoe deal with Nike.
And Nike was not Nike.
Nike was like fifth best.
At best,
they were the fifth... They were
known as a running shoe.
But they wanted basketball
because it was going to be more money.
It was more visible.
So...
this agent the guy who's
supposed to run around the
matt damon character was
had I don't know a million
dollars a year to spend on
like four athletes
essentially it's like
buying four lottery tickets
so he would look at the
draft and then be like
we're gonna give a quarter
million to each and then he
and I might be fudging the
numbers obviously but then
he was like I want to bet
it all I'm gonna give my
entire year budget to this
kid michael jordan and they
were like that's too much
of a risk and he's like
we're either gonna sink or swim
dividing our lottery ticket by four,
it ain't going to do it.
And then, so Mrs. Jordan,
his mom was smart enough to say,
I want this much money
because Michael's worth it.
And it was the first time
she ever got a cut of
anything with his name on
it in the future.
And he was like, this isn't possible.
You can't do this.
Like this will not be allowed.
So he went to the,
I think Ben Affleck
character who was like the
Bill Knight guy and Nike and was like,
We got Jordan,
but she's asking for too much.
And to Phil Knight's credit, he's like,
well, what is she asking for?
He wants a cut of everything
in the future.
And he goes, well,
if we're going to sink or
swim and it's based on this,
then we have to make this decision.
So Michael Jordan still
makes checks in twenty twenty five,
even though he hasn't
played in twenty years.
Yeah.
Oh, we're talking about personality types.
Now we're talking about movies.
Well, that's okay.
I'm a mom of three,
so I fall asleep every time
I put on a movie, but I do read a lot.
But my,
what my take home from that is you
got to risk it to get the
biscuit kind of.
Yeah.
She was going to get nothing.
So they were going to win and win big,
or they were just going to
all have nothing.
And I think that's a fair risk to take.
I think it's,
I think the story with
Michael Jordan's mom does
go back to what we're talking about here,
is she read the room.
She's like, I know what my son is.
I am aware, not just he's my boy.
I am aware of where he is in
the social space.
I understand.
And then she was like, this is worth it.
She's doing the math.
She's doing the scales.
She was doing the seesaw.
She's like, he is heavy on one side.
He is valuable.
You have to match that to
make it balanced.
I mean, there was a story about,
I can't remember this kid's name.
Remember the Lion King?
The movie?
Yeah.
disney movie the kid got
offered a million dollars
in like or something to
sing the simba part simba
was the kid right yeah to
sing to be the voice of
simba and sing whatever the
main song was in disney's
the lion king and his mom
look at here's the theme
moms are smart his mom was
like okay we'll take fifty
grand and royalties
And they were like,
you're really going to want
to take the million you're saying,
you know, to a million dollars.
And now the math is math to
a lot more money.
Yeah.
Jonathan Taylor Thomas is
probably still living on that.
What did Jonathan,
was he the home improvement kid?
Yeah, he was Simba.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But this other kid sang,
Jonathan Taylor Thomas didn't sing.
Oh, you just crushed all my like.
Yeah.
Jonathan Taylor Thomas,
I guess didn't sing.
Well, that's disappointing and sad.
Well, so I think kind of pull it together.
Yes.
Taking all of these pieces
of information about
yourself and figuring out
what you want to do and
where you want to go is really helpful.
But I also feel like if
you're going to go into a job interview,
having this information is helpful.
Because how many people get
asked this question?
Well, what are your strengths?
What are your weaknesses?
Oh, I never thought of that.
That's a good idea.
So I feel like you could just be like, hey,
like that.
I'm really a strategic thinker.
I'm an activator who helps
get things done.
I'm really good at
collecting input from others.
I have futuristic thinking
and I'm a high achiever.
So I'm going to take all of those things,
put them together and help
your company be successful.
it gives someone a third
dimension to your resume
which is sort of a list of
accomplishments what
doesn't tell anybody
anything but now you're
able to use it in context
because it's always the
well tell me a time when
you were really stressed
and you really whatever and
now you're able to say well
I'm going to tell you a
story about where invention
like this is what you would
say in your head I'm going
to tell a story about how
invention led to
for xing revenue or I'm
gonna tell you about how
woo you know helped me get
three thousand leads in six
months and why that's
because now you're talking
in terms that the other
person finds valuable we
like you know if it's a
sales job if it's a
clinical job and putting it
in an objective com um
context how I use these
strings those are cute as
the kids would say cool
story bro tell it again
like why does it matter to
me what so what now what
give them the now what
that's a good that's a good point
but I'm doing more and more consulting.
And when I look at these top
five strengths, strategic, activator,
input, futuristic, and achiever,
like to me,
that sounds like the kind of
consultant you'd want to hire.
So being able to take those
pieces of information and
put them together,
I think is really helpful.
And then having your find
spots so that when they do ask you,
you know, what are your weaknesses?
We can say, well, these are my strengths,
but what I know to be aware
of because of that are these things.
And so you're not like, oh,
my weakness is chocolate cake.
Right.
My weakness is I just care too much,
Rebecca.
I just, I'm a perfectionist.
I just,
I can't move on because I need it
to be chef's kiss.
Yeah.
All right.
You want to do parting shots?
Well,
I'm going to ask you a parting shot
question.
How about that?
Okay.
I've never done this before.
Okay.
If your strength was a cocktail,
cause it's PT podcast.
What would it be?
Oh, if my strength was, you know,
your answer to this.
No, that's why you got to go first.
I'm going to ask it back to you.
I was trying to buy myself some time.
Let me look at my, uh,
wonder communication, individual woo.
Uh,
it would have to be something very
peacocky, right?
Uh, it has to be very,
something loud and crazy.
Ooh.
Um, man, this is a good question.
Uh, a poos cafe.
I don't even know what that is.
Yeah, I've only made one.
It was because I found it in
a bartending book when I
was bartending with my uncles.
And it is a drink that you
have to do in layers.
Someone's going to fact check me.
There's like eight different
liquors in it.
And it's layered from the
most dense to the least dense viscous.
So you actually pour the
liquors in the glass over
the back of a spoon so it
nicely – that they don't mix.
So when you're done,
it just looks like a bunch of –
striatic lines so I would
say a poos cafe okay that
was not because it's all
about look at me that's
what it's about look at
what I can do look at the
end let's talk about this
oh let's let's make let's
stir some conversation
around that so it's a drink
no whatever order or drink
who knows if it tastes good
but it looks kind of crazy
because you pour they're
different colors so the
green doesn't separate
doesn't mix with the red
and it's like what you did
on your first birthday
because you don't know
better and it looks cool
yeah no one orders this
drink it's just a visual
peacocky thing it's not
functional it's just a
conversation starter so if
you're so same question to
rebecca griffith I think
maybe an old-fashioned oh
there you go why I think
it's classy and I think it
opens doors because a lot
of people drink it so it's
a thing you can like have
questions about there's
still some choices that go
into it so when you're like
building the ingredients
like you have to think
about what's going to mix well
And it just doesn't have
like a bad hangover to it.
Oh, have you ever had a lot of them?
Because I've had a hangover
from old fashions.
Well, no, I haven't.
Because one also feels like enough.
That should be true.
So I would say that.
That should be true.
You can find her online.
She is the EDDPT, Rebecca Griffith.
What are any big events
you're going to coming up?
I'm going to be in Chicago
this weekend at the
Vestibular Symposium at
Aurora Advocate Health.
That sounds very fancy and
have a few old fashions.
You can talk more about
vestibular issues and balance.
Exactly.
Uh, well, thanks for stopping by.
Thanks for doing this.
What do we want to do next?
Is there an assignment you
want to give me?
I told you I'm good with,
I need someone to give me some,
like a coach,
give me something I should try.
I need to finish the let them book.
Don't I?
I think so.
I'm actually having my
teenager listen to let them podcasts.
We're having conversations about that.
All right.
I will get on that.
And the next time we speak,
we will be talking about
Mel Robbins and the let them theory.
And how to place a burnout
in physical therapy.
We'll tackle big,
we'll tackle big problems
with my futuristic and
ideation strengths.
strategically strategically
thank you for talking
rebecca thanks for making my day