It makes for some really good audio.
Hang on.
There we go.
Cody, cheers.
Cheers to you and cheers to me.
There we go.
I'm drinking a Pabst Blue Ribbon.
This was the beer that me
and my friends made fun of
when we were kids because
it was like the old man
beer and I never had it, you know,
in my twenties.
And I think I had it like in
my thirties and I was like,
this beer isn't awful.
I was like,
this is actually pretty good beer.
Like, it's funny how like we just,
we make an assumption about
something and then that's,
that's the world.
And then all of a sudden that sticks.
yeah and that assumption
gets challenged twenty
years later you're like
what else was I like
guacamole looked gross to
me when I was a kid never
ate it and now I'm like oh
my god how many years did I
not have guacamole because
it looked gross and now
it's missed out yeah cody
what's your superhero
backstory for people who
don't know superhero
backstory so um background
physical therapy um
my interesting I'd say my my
twist is that I entered the
clinic a month after or
before covet happened so I
finished pt school in
twenty nineteen moved to
nashville took my first
clinic job I was going
through clinical mentorship
um just kind of get my get
my feet wet and uh covet
happened so that kind of
spun everything out of
control a little bit um as
we all remember um but what
kind of happened there is
like I got put in a little bit of like a
like say leadership position,
but I became the tenured PT in my clinic.
Right.
So you've been here for nine weeks.
You're in charge.
I'll be good.
Maybe three weeks.
Right.
And so my clinic director,
he went to another, uh,
he's overseen two clinics.
And so I ended up with a lot
of time on my hands and, um,
I like filling my time.
And so, you know, being, I guess,
maybe a problem solver at heart,
I really just kind of
looked at the PT space.
I was like,
my clinic days are not very full,
began exploring just, you know,
what was out there and
trying to stay interested
in things and had met some
people here in Nashville
that they'd had some
success on the tech side.
And it kind of simulated
some interest in me,
started inventing medical
device really early on.
Um, learned a lot through that,
met some really great people, um,
spent about two years
full-time in the clinic and
just determined that
full-time clinic care is
not really what I wanted to
invest like my whole life
trajectory into.
Love clinic, love treating,
love the patient care sides of things,
but just didn't quite see,
it didn't resonate with
where I wanted to go, right?
So moved to more like PRN type positions,
worked in a hospital system,
covered everything from
you know,
your cardiac step downs to joint
outpatient.
Like it was a really cool
experience just covering everything,
working at a high pace,
fast paced sports orthopedic practice,
doing a lot of post-op and
then launched a concierge
business of my own.
And then ultimately,
maybe about two and a half
years into that,
connected with the company
that I'm with now.
They were looking for a
project-based PT to use their technology,
ran a six-week day program for them,
got to the end of six weeks,
patient's like, that was awesome.
We'd love to keep doing it.
So I turned and looked at the team.
I was like, hey,
are we going to keep doing this?
So did another six weeks,
then a third six weeks,
and a fourth and fifth.
A year later,
had a fully operational day
program going for them.
We're seeing patients one day a week.
They opened up a spot on
their biz development team
and joined that.
So that was about a year ago doing that.
And yeah, here I am.
So let's go deeper into the tech, right?
Like, help us understand what it is.
What does it do?
How does it work?
Like, you know, you're a biz dev guy now.
Yeah, I'll embrace that.
So the device is called the Ryzen Walk.
It's the first full spectrum,
we call it rehab station,
but it's a gate training technology.
So it's a three in one,
meaning it can be used seated, standing.
And then the body weight support system,
it's a tower that rotates.
So you essentially have two
body weight support zones on either side.
So it's a very unique piece
of equipment that is really
addressing some big needs
when it comes to like
inpatient rehab space,
working with patients that have
considerable mobility
deficits that require maybe
a team of people to get the
the high intensity high
repetition gate training
that research is really
coming out to say that it's
it's needed it's that's
what's driving the
neuroplastic changes that
are uh required for
somebody after a stroke
just to get back on their
feet and be able to you
know engage in the community
What's, um,
what's something that shocked
you like taking on this, on this role?
Like you got to bring a
clinical mindset to a group
of people who probably have
really good technology
background and sales and
sales isn't a bad word.
People just want to make
sure people understand that
it's not a bad thing.
Um,
what was the biggest thing that
surprised you?
Like walking in with your clinical mind?
Cause you're going to look
at the exact same thing
everybody else is.
You're just going to look at
it differently.
Right.
You know, what I've found is that, uh,
specifically I'd say with this, like,
tech uh you know wave that
we're riding kind of all
across healthcare is that
we don't have an innovation
problem um we really have
an adoption problem and so
it's it's what's
interesting has been the
real challenge for me is is
marrying the the clinical
need with the business
value um and it's a fun
challenge because you know
the two really operate
almost in silos um you know
you can go to a rehab team
and you can get clinical buy-in
And you can say, hey,
I have a whole clinic full
of patients that would
benefit from this technology.
We're doing it the old fashioned way.
You can kind of show
maybe where things can be
optimized you know and then
it's it's bridging that to
you know the business
operations and I think
that's where you're seeing
some of these large
hospital systems that you
know when we look at our
healthcare system maybe
just specifically on the
rehab side comparing it to
some of the other countries
that are maybe a little bit
more advanced than we are
I'm not in those countries.
I don't know how those
systems necessarily work,
but what I see on our end a
lot is that there tends to
be some dragging of feet.
People are not really
willing to invest maybe
what they can into
supporting the rehab process.
When you look at a healthcare system,
everything is diagnostic driven.
How can we get a patient
that has a problem?
How can we identify it and
get them into a treatment path?
But then
know when we're looking at
the whole patient how do we
then actually tangibly get
them better and get them
back on their feet and I
think that's where I mean
that's the value of rehab
and pt that you know
unfortunately it's just
hard to get you know some
people to invest that way
yeah what do you think
other clinicians that you
talk to or maybe still in
clinic right and again I
love how you said that which is like
Not that I didn't love it.
It's I wanted to try something else,
which is kind of kind of
what we're on this rock for
is try a bunch of stuff.
If you find something you love, do it.
But you sort of you sort of
adopted neuro rat neuro
rehab and technology.
What's the biggest
misunderstanding other clinicians,
people that you knew before
or people that you meet after?
What's the biggest
misunderstanding they have
about technology in rehab?
Yeah,
I think there's two big things there.
One,
I think just the technology in general,
you know,
PT is a very interaction driven
space where we get to work
with those patients.
And I think in some way
people look at technology,
specifically some things
here as something that if they introduce,
it's going to kind of
remove them from that.
So I think there in some
ways people think that, you know,
this technology is going to
take their job or something like that,
which
Again, that's a, you know,
we can unpack that further, you know,
if you want.
We can do a whole hour on that.
whole hour on that right um
you know but I think the
other side of it is that
you know we're very much
like a research based uh
healthcare you know we want
to see things that are
proven we want to see data
that backs up why something
works the way it does and I
think sometimes that's too
thick of a filter to take
something that you can look
at just based on principle
and see what it does um
You know,
one thing I talk about when I get
people that kind of lean in
on the research side of things.
So backing up, end-effector technology,
which is kind of the
category that our device falls into,
it's been around for like, twenty years,
right?
So we didn't come out and invent something
game-changingly new.
What type of technology?
What was the word?
It's called end effector.
I don't know that.
Oh, effects the end user.
Exactly.
Or the ends, your extremities.
If you look at an exoskeleton,
that's very much bolt-on
where you are articulating
across a joint and you're
influencing movement there.
And so you can see, yeah,
I love that you were able
to pull that up.
I don't know if that's,
I'm assuming that's showing
up for everybody.
But yeah,
you can see articulating with the
hands and feet, right?
So it's a very open based system where,
let me see,
let me do this back up again
or zoom out again.
If you go hover over rise and walk,
I'm going to see if we can
pull up the video.
Oh, wait, right there.
Watch the video.
It's right there.
It's cool to see it in motion, right?
So let me get back to it.
kind of where I was and affect it, right?
It's meaning articulates
with the ends of our hands and feet.
So very unique piece of
technology that ultimately does
heavy lifting that's the way
I look at it and so you
know when I'm talking to
clients they're like okay
what's the research say
what does it show which we
have research that shows it
but it's also a category of
equipment that's been
around for a bit so we
haven't had to do all this
like leading edge proof of
concept type of research
out there that some people
really want to see right
and so there's that
resistance they go oh well
you know you don't you
don't have that so you know
I'm not going to look at
this and I go okay well if
you know in your clinic you
have weight right so did
you go through and study
the efficacy of a twenty
five pound weight to then
put it in your space no
most people say no right
but I can take a twenty
five pound weight and I can
do ten thousand different
exercises with it and you
know and have some
you know, good outcomes there.
And so technology like ours,
we're really driving the high, high rep,
high intensity type of activity.
Um,
we've got this particular design in
ours that allows us to
actually accurately dose it,
which if you go into the
weeds of the research
behind this technology, you know,
a lot of what they said about research,
which is, or about, um,
gate training technology is
that you can't dose it
accurately enough to challenge somebody.
There's not that active
participation in a granular
level where you can, um,
you know,
really challenge someone at the
level that they're at.
And so we really set out to
solve a lot of those problems, you know,
some application problems,
some personnel problems,
and some support problems that, you know,
ultimately allowed our
device to actually mesh with the U.S.
healthcare system.
Yeah, you're talking about a system,
right?
That's like the screwy part.
It's like you're talking about clinician,
patient, technology.
That's a really great triangle.
And then you bring in the system.
And I bet you a lot of things,
and we don't... I mean, again,
we could do another hour just on this,
which is you've said healthcare...
is hurting rehab departments
that we are bleeding out.
And then how can we fix it?
Cause that's,
that's where we plug into this system.
So like, what is it?
Who's going to pay for it?
Is it,
how are we going to get reimbursed
for it?
Like,
I imagine like those are the first
two questions, right?
How, how,
how are we going to get
reimbursed for it?
And then how much is it, which is how long,
how often do I have to use
it so I can at least pay
for itself and then be getting,
making money,
which sounds like a dirty question,
but it's just like,
we got to be able to make
enough money to pay for it.
And then also we have to pay
for people's salaries and
health insurance and lights and,
and the parking lot and all
those things that people forget about.
Yeah.
The ugly truth is that
healthcare is a business, right?
And so you can preach outcomes and,
you know, to preach to people in the face,
but in the day it's a
business and you have to
cater to the business side of it.
And so I think when you look
at technology in this space, it wasn't,
a lot of it wasn't designed
in the U S you know,
you got big players in Israel and,
you know, Italy and,
you know a lot of these kind
of europe and asian
countries um that they're
designing this technology
to you know meet a patient
profile or meet something
that they're seeing within
their industry but then
it's being you know pushed
over into the us you know
for the market that we have
here and it's just not
designed to meet the needs
that we have and so that
was one of the
considerations that we had
is we were like we knew to
succeed that we would have
to make something that
really worked with with our
patient population but
know to your point how do
you get paid like
reimbursement is is what it
drives so you know
unfortunately and I think
this is something that you
know we'll hopefully see in
the next couple years is
some type of cpt kind of
reform or evolution there
that you know we've we've
learned how to abuse that system
and you know unfortunately
on the rehab side of things
cpt codes and what we're
currently being reimbursed
for our services you know
they leave a lot of these
rehab departments
unfortunately in the red
and when you look at a
large healthcare system
it's hard for them to
justify investing in a I
mean a great piece of
technology that will
undoubtedly help their
patients and help their
clinicians you know but
it's like hey we're not
making money in this
department so why are we going to
invest in something like
that and so it's an
unfortunate reality again
it's a business and you got
to play the game and so I
think at some point
something will will change
because if you look at
somebody that has a spinal
cord injury or a stroke
it's not the same episode
of care like somebody has a
knee replacement right knee
replacement you might get
two to three months of pt
and then they're off
managing their their care
on their own but you know somebody has a
some kind of incomplete spinal cord injury,
or, I mean,
any type of neurological injury,
like it's going to affect
them for probably the
majority of the rest of their life,
if not the whole thing.
And, you know,
our one thing that I really
love about our technology is that it,
it provides an environment
for somebody to get the
same general activity that I can go.
And I got a garage,
I got a gym in my garage,
very blessed there.
So it's really convenient
for me to go exercise and train,
but somebody that has a mobility deficit.
you know,
they can't just go walk around
the neighborhood to go for
a run or lift weights.
And so it's really hard to
give somebody the
opportunity to exercise and expect,
you know,
get the cardiovascular benefits
that we can get by walking.
And I think, you know,
that's something that, again,
it's unique that we're able to do that.
And I'm proud of our
technology and what we're able to do.
So, yeah.
You've also taken your skills abroad.
Is that true?
What's something you did to
medical mission work?
What's what's something from
your from your work that
stays with you every day
here now that you're back in the US?
Yeah, so when I was in PT school,
I had an instructor.
And shout out Todd Bourgeois.
I'll send him this.
He's the man.
He's a mentor of mine.
But he and I, I was in St.
Augustine.
We surfed all the time.
And, you know, it came summertime.
He's like, hey, man,
we got a team of PTs and, you know,
kind of hodgepodge rehab professionals,
medical professionals.
We go to El Salvador every year.
um go there for you know a
week week and a half
whatever it may be um you
know we get to surf we get
to treat we get to work
with their you know their
underserved populations
along the coast there and
you know it's it's kind of
just like a good vibes trip
we bring people we we do as
much good work as we can
and then we enjoy it and
you know we come back and so
I was blessed to get
invited as a student um
went two times there um I
think I've been back now
six times so we've been
doing these trips they've
been doing them for I want
to say like ten or twelve
years but you know it's
been great to um go to
central america see what's
happening there from like a
development standpoint um
get to serve populations of
people that just in some ways maybe
feel forgotten.
They have socialized medicine,
so care is accessed much differently.
So yeah,
those have been some awesome
experiences for me,
especially starting as a student,
getting into clinic care,
and then continuing to go
down there and see these
communities that we've been
serving for years now.
did one in my third year a
service learning trip I did
one my third year pt school
and I love cliches right I
like to make fun of cliches
and the cliche with like a
trip like that is you get
out much more than you put
in and it's true like I
learned I I thought I
definitely thought I
couldn't wait because
there's a team of third
year pt students that were
going to go down there and
show how smart we were and
I learned the whole time
It's amazing.
Like you, I was just, I mean,
once that was the thing,
once I was able to sort of
like drop it and stop trying to show,
and I was just able to like
absorb and take in,
that's when I was like, Oh, I don't,
there's a whole lot more I could learn.
Yeah.
We, we've coined these terms,
these trips as a stoke trips.
Right.
And so the idea that like,
we all have this kind of inner fire,
if you will,
that is kind of like passion driven.
Right.
And so just like,
you know if you build a fire
you have to tend it you
have to stoke it and so
these trips for us it's
kind of a a play on words
if you will because we get
to surf right so there's a
lot of like sure you know
stoke on that side of it
right but you know for the
deeper sense of like we get
to go there and we get to
treat people who don't
expect a group of americans
to show up and give freely
and just help them right
they're in these communities that
know I mean they don't have
medical care they have to
hop on a bus it takes them
three hours just to get
into the city just to sit
in line to potentially seen
by a doctor that day they
have to you know labor and
walk to get water just to
bring it back to you know
the little place that they
might live in and so to
show up and and just sit
there and just to
do whatever we can for them,
whether it's medical, whether, you know,
it's just saying, you know,
I'm gonna pray for you or
something like that.
You know,
it's like just the way that it's
received and the joy that
these people live with is, I mean,
it sticks with you.
Like you said, you bring it back with you.
I get as much out of it,
if not more than what I leave behind.
Yeah, it's a big deal.
So more emotions, more stoke.
A lot of PTs might say,
you know,
it's either clinical or non-clinical,
right?
There's burnout or you're bailing out.
You're doing a little bit of both.
I, I've given a talk, um,
at nazareth college uh
thanks to professor mike
houston up there he brings
me in and a couple other
clinicians who have either
traditional or
non-traditional practices
he brings in what like russ
russ is a pt he's got a
brick and mortar clinic and
he brings in this other
woman who's like I treat
out of my house I got a
little room in my house he
brings me in because I'm a
weirdo like I do
communications whatever I do
I'm all over the place.
And I like to put it in their words.
I love to use patient's
words or audience words.
I say it's hips and shoulders.
A hip and a shoulder,
they're both ball and socket joints,
right?
Hip is going to be super deep, right?
A lot of stability.
Some mobility, right?
But a lot of stability.
That to me is like a nine to five job.
Right?
So there's nothing wrong with that.
If you're like,
I'm going to have a nine to five job,
and I'm going to have this
thing on the side,
now you've got a shoulder,
which is every other
weekend I do aquatics on my
own or something.
A lot of flexibility, a lot of mobility,
some stability, right?
And you can have all shoulder.
Some people are just like,
I do whatever I want, however I want.
And one of the students was like,
which one's better?
And I said...
which one is better for you?
Like you're looking for the
answer and you knew that
they're smart kids, right?
I call them kids.
Cause they feel so much younger than me,
but I'm like, you know,
the answer is it depends.
It's going to,
and also it doesn't have to be,
this is what I do forever.
I could do this.
You were doing your stuff
for six weeks at a time.
Had you said, I don't like this anymore.
You would have been like, all right, well,
thanks so much for the last six weeks.
Like, you know,
and we're going to part ways.
So I feel like what have you
learned that could help
others by being able to say, hey,
I don't want to be in a
clinic eight hours a day,
five days a week.
And that's not necessarily quitting.
It's not quitting.
You just took your skills to
a non-familiar place, to quote a friend.
Yeah.
No, I think, I mean,
if you just look at our education system,
you know,
we're kind of forced to make a
decision super early on
when we're still figuring things out.
And so, you know, for me,
like I went through undergrad,
jumped right into PT school
and then jumped right into
my professional career.
You know, the unique thing,
what I identified pretty
early on is that from a
physical therapist standpoint,
we get such a diverse background.
We know so much about the human body.
We get such a unique
experience in our
healthcare system from
working in hospitals to
outpatient clinics to private practice.
I mean, specialties, you name it.
There's so many different
things you can do.
And I think people almost
get maybe it's like
analysis paralysis where they go,
I don't know what else I can do.
So I'm just going to stay in clinic care.
You know, for me,
what's been great is
talking and networking and
connecting with people in
order to just see what's out there.
Right.
And so.
I've had a very unique
experience in my five and a half years,
five years that I've been
out of the clinic, you know,
and I've done,
I've touched so many
different things and been
in so many different settings, you know,
and I, for me, I,
it's hard not to get
bothered when you hear
people that are so divisive
between clinical and non-clinical.
It's like, I do both, you know,
I'm in a business development role.
I work for a startup company,
but I also have a concierge practice.
You know, like I treat on the side,
keeps my skills sharp.
It allows me to be a
resource in the communities
around me to my friends, my family.
And that's something that I
think is very unique to the PTs.
It's like we can walk in a
room and we can have nothing but, I mean,
our hands and, you know,
a human in front of us and
we can help them.
We can talk them through things.
We can explain things.
And, you know,
I think when we're trying to figure out,
you know, what we want to do,
how we want to,
you know,
engage with our healthcare system.
It's like, we're,
we're kind of dealt a tough hand of cards,
but you know,
we still have a very
tangible way to help people.
And I'm never going to abandon that.
I don't, I just encourage PTs that,
you know,
or maybe burned out by something
that's in their day to day.
It's like, don't,
don't feel like you're stuck there.
You know,
we were put in a box where we're
stuck in a little bit of a
rigid structure with the
healthcare system,
but that doesn't mean you
have to play by those rules.
I joke around with the guys
that I do live streams with.
I'm like,
you could go to a Facebook group
and bitch about it.
That's probably helpful.
And listen, I've bitched about stuff too,
but then you got to do
something about it.
And if you think you're
going to change the system, great,
get to work.
Like,
I don't know how to change the system.
I've tried.
Maybe I've had a little, little,
little help in changing a big thing.
Great.
The biggest thing you can
change right away is like how,
like your situation,
you are a hundred percent
in control of that.
Right.
So, you know, if you don't like it,
you know, you could,
you could scream at clouds
or like you could just start and listen,
and you are somewhere right now.
where you are now living what you probably,
however long ago,
when you started thinking
about this would have been like,
that's the dream or that's,
and I want to make sure I
frame this right,
which is you don't just hit
the dream and then
everything's coast mode, right?
You're still working.
Like, that's the thing is like,
you're still your constant,
but wherever you were two years ago,
you'd be thrilled to know
where you are now.
And if that's not the case,
It's one day or day one.
What are we going to do?
I want to caution people too.
You don't need to know what it looks like.
What you should say is what
do I want it to feel like?
I like that.
What do I want my perfect day to be?
I'm like, I don't know, man,
but I want to feel...
heard and and helpful and uh
you know I want to be doing
a lot of different things
or whatever start with the
emotion because how it'll
look is different than like
how it'll feel and trust me
the feeling is the thing
that makes people want to
run or that's that's that's
what I think a lot of
clinicians will say about
burnout is they feel stuck
that's what they'll say I feel stuck
and I'll say I get it you
know I remember when I was
a student I I ran into a
girl who was on who had
graduated a year or two
before me and she's like I
work at this outpatient
ortho clinic two days a
week and I work at
inpatient neuro three days
a week and I was like you
can't do that and she goes
you can I remember just thinking like
She's like, I just,
I just told this clinic,
I'm only going to work two days a week.
And they were like,
so you can have two days or none.
Me, you can have me here two days or none.
And they were like, okay.
And then the inpatient neuro
clinic was like, we need you.
So she's like, great.
I'm only working three.
And they're like, okay,
now it's easier said than done,
but keep looking like ask
and you get told no, like, okay, keep,
keep going.
Like you have to pitch a lot
to get the thing to work sometimes.
Yeah, no,
you touched on a lot of good
things there.
And one of my favorite sayings,
it's like two best times to plant a tree,
right?
Right now and twenty years ago, right?
You know,
and so I think a lot of people
have this paralysis when it
comes to starting something
that ultimately leads to inaction.
And I was fortunate to receive some good
mentorship if you will um
you know kind of early on
that was pretty much like
you just have to start that
that means something
different to everybody but
you know the smaller you
you make that first step
the more realistic it's
going to be that uh that
you'll actually do it and
you know I I went up full
time and I was like okay well
Like I said,
this isn't really where I want to be.
This isn't what the emotion wants.
This isn't what the day to day wants.
You know, so I was like, okay, well,
how do I get to that five year point?
How do I close the gap?
Right.
And for me, it was kind of like, okay,
let's supplement things
with some pure end type things.
And, you know, I was exactly that.
I was in a hospital, you know,
one to four days during the week.
I was in an outpatient clinic, um,
two to three times a week I
take a whole week off you
know and then I I just
being the um side business
side hustle person that you
know I tend to kind of come
up with I had a staging
installation business I
worked with interior
designers just like doing
manual labor like I love
just you know staying
active and busy and you
know if you if you
aren't happy where you're at.
You just got to do something.
You know what I mean?
And it's just like, you'll get there.
But I think people are too
afraid to take that step.
And I think it's very much
too often that you just
make that step too big.
You try to take a jump and it's just like,
let's just like,
let's walk before you run.
Love that.
the other quote I like with
that the the quote that you
mentioned which is the two
best times to plant a tree
twenty years ago and today
I like to pair it with the
other one too which is
society grows great when
old men plant trees whose
shade they know they'll
never sit in which is like
you're gonna do something
that you know you will
never benefit from some of
that work that you're doing
you're not going to see the return
But a lot of the things that
you enjoy now were done by
people who did it,
who never saw the return.
And that's just,
that's a fancy way of saying like,
sort of like pay it forward.
But that's where your stoke
trip to is like,
maybe you never get paid for that trip,
but you got paid for that trip.
You know what I mean?
Like you got it in.
Oh yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
Cody,
last thing we do on the show is
called the parting shot.
What's something you want to
leave with the audience?
What's your mic drop moment?
You can use a quote.
You can reuse stuff that's allowed,
whatever you'd want to.
What's the last thing you
want to leave on people's minds?
Yeah, you know, I think that's tough.
I even knew this was coming, and I didn't,
you know,
like I thought I was going to
have something good.
I thought I was, you know.
My thing is,
it's like I got into PT
because I wanted to help people.
And, uh, for me right now,
that looks a lot different
than when I was full-time clinic care.
And I think, um,
not being afraid to be afraid of change,
right?
I think that's, you know,
things are fluid and things
are changing and our
healthcare system is all over the place.
And, you know,
it kind of changes one day at a time,
change it one room at a time,
one conversation at a time.
And so, you know, being willing to ask, um,
talk to people, um,
That's one thing that I always appreciate.
I get people to reach out to
me on LinkedIn like, hey,
how'd you get there?
I love having those
conversations because it
just gets people to think differently.
And we're institutionalized
in a way where we're kind
of developed to think in certain ways.
And it's the people that
kind of step outside of
that and look around that
ultimately get where they want to be.
They're the happy ones
because they didn't let
somebody else dictate
what they spent their time doing.
So, yeah, I think, you know,
I don't know if that's
quite the mic drop moment I
was hoping for, but you know, if I can,
if I can encourage one
person to have a
conversation and to reach
out and just think
differently about their current position,
then, you know, I've won the day.
Yeah.
It makes me think of another great quote.
We're dropping quote bombs here.
I love it.
If the, it's a great quote for PT as well,
or rehab or anything,
which is if the plan doesn't work,
change the plan, not the goal,
like change the plan.
So like your goal was to help people.
And that in the beginning
looked like walking into a
clinic and helping people there.
And then that didn't fulfill you,
or maybe you just wanted to change.
You change the plan, but not the goal.
The goal is still very much
in your sights.
Cody, appreciate the time, man.
Thanks for doing this and sharing.
And maybe one person out there is going,
okay,
all right,
I saw one other person doing this.
I was on the end of a diving board.
I might do that too.
So appreciate your time, man.
Yeah, thank you.