1 00:00:02,437 --> 00:00:04,775 You know, we talk about we're gonna restructure 2 00:00:04,994 --> 00:00:08,771 society. They're out doing the good samaritan, and 3 00:00:08,910 --> 00:00:09,685 that is far 4 00:00:12,285 --> 00:00:13,644 and do it because it's bright, 5 00:00:14,365 --> 00:00:15,825 not just because of work 6 00:00:16,605 --> 00:00:18,857 Hey welcome to the podcast, really good heavy 7 00:00:18,857 --> 00:00:21,186 and today, we're gonna hear some reflections from 8 00:00:21,481 --> 00:00:24,184 good friend and part of our family, 9 00:00:24,979 --> 00:00:26,888 movement practitioner Steve Addison. 10 00:00:27,603 --> 00:00:28,995 And Steve has 11 00:00:30,015 --> 00:00:32,015 just being come back in from India actually, 12 00:00:32,174 --> 00:00:32,914 and he's 13 00:00:33,375 --> 00:00:34,015 he's also, 14 00:00:34,655 --> 00:00:36,984 been on a journey since we've last spoke 15 00:00:36,984 --> 00:00:38,517 and where we were 16 00:00:39,131 --> 00:00:41,300 reflecting on Michelle slot. And 17 00:00:41,993 --> 00:00:43,981 it's really good to be with you and 18 00:00:44,140 --> 00:00:44,378 Steve. 19 00:00:45,253 --> 00:00:46,779 Thanks for on the podcast. 20 00:00:47,971 --> 00:00:49,323 Well, it's good to be with you again, 21 00:00:49,482 --> 00:00:50,277 Dave. Yeah. 22 00:00:50,834 --> 00:00:53,220 Steve, how how are you going? Since since 23 00:00:53,220 --> 00:00:55,469 our last reflection on talking about 24 00:00:56,097 --> 00:00:58,559 Michelle's passing, and you're having to find yourself 25 00:00:58,559 --> 00:01:01,418 and, yeah. Most people when they're 18, they 26 00:01:01,418 --> 00:01:03,483 go to India and find themselves in the 27 00:01:03,483 --> 00:01:05,571 answering. What did you do, steve? Oh, I 28 00:01:05,571 --> 00:01:06,768 went I went to Greece. 29 00:01:07,407 --> 00:01:07,907 So 30 00:01:08,844 --> 00:01:11,478 after we'd sort of put the house in 31 00:01:11,478 --> 00:01:12,675 order and the legal... 32 00:01:13,405 --> 00:01:14,118 Financials in order, 33 00:01:14,911 --> 00:01:15,411 celebrated 34 00:01:15,783 --> 00:01:17,210 Christmas with the family. 35 00:01:18,637 --> 00:01:20,594 New year's eve. I hopped on it, the 36 00:01:20,714 --> 00:01:22,539 plane and went off to greece for a 37 00:01:22,539 --> 00:01:23,436 couple of months 38 00:01:24,047 --> 00:01:24,999 just to get lost. 39 00:01:25,792 --> 00:01:27,776 So I I didn't need so much a 40 00:01:27,776 --> 00:01:30,417 holiday or I would have just gone camping 41 00:01:30,417 --> 00:01:32,333 up and down and new South wales coast 42 00:01:32,333 --> 00:01:33,291 or something like that. 43 00:01:34,089 --> 00:01:36,484 I needed to be environment where there are 44 00:01:36,484 --> 00:01:38,614 other people who I know and love 45 00:01:39,213 --> 00:01:41,547 and that I could have some structure 46 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,014 without being a lot of demand. So 47 00:01:46,391 --> 00:01:47,268 I have some, 48 00:01:48,146 --> 00:01:51,351 good good partners in based in Greece, but 49 00:01:51,351 --> 00:01:53,425 they work across Europe and the Middle East 50 00:01:53,425 --> 00:01:55,520 and Central Asia and North Africa. 51 00:01:57,094 --> 00:01:57,993 And I just 52 00:01:58,784 --> 00:02:00,698 got myself an Air airbnb b for 2 53 00:02:00,698 --> 00:02:02,691 months, which is pretty cheap in the winter 54 00:02:02,691 --> 00:02:05,721 over there. Amazing. And and hung out with 55 00:02:05,721 --> 00:02:07,019 them and 56 00:02:08,049 --> 00:02:10,681 and and went on some some some trips 57 00:02:10,681 --> 00:02:11,181 that 58 00:02:11,718 --> 00:02:15,067 the ministry I could contribute without being responsible. 59 00:02:15,227 --> 00:02:17,300 So down to down to the Middle East. 60 00:02:17,793 --> 00:02:20,175 To to meet with some movement catalysts. 61 00:02:21,366 --> 00:02:23,986 Had a great trip in a van with 62 00:02:23,986 --> 00:02:25,121 some some 63 00:02:25,494 --> 00:02:26,629 brothers and sisters 64 00:02:27,018 --> 00:02:30,197 wandering around greece for 5, 6 days, 65 00:02:31,310 --> 00:02:33,161 visiting the work in the various 66 00:02:33,773 --> 00:02:36,336 refugee camps, meeting with the disciples and, 67 00:02:37,291 --> 00:02:40,397 being encouraged by them and encouraging them. Mh 68 00:02:40,397 --> 00:02:41,671 so I did that for a couple of 69 00:02:41,671 --> 00:02:43,916 months, and it was... It's just what I 70 00:02:43,916 --> 00:02:45,213 needed, some structure 71 00:02:45,987 --> 00:02:47,182 without a lot of demands, 72 00:02:48,058 --> 00:02:51,415 some community there. It's, lots of long walks, 73 00:02:51,574 --> 00:02:53,161 I'm along the Greek Coast. 74 00:02:54,352 --> 00:02:57,685 And then I I dove dived back to 75 00:02:57,685 --> 00:02:58,241 full on, 76 00:02:59,368 --> 00:03:01,835 schedule with a book tour of the Us 77 00:03:01,835 --> 00:03:04,223 for acts and the movement of God. Yeah. 78 00:03:04,701 --> 00:03:05,360 That was 79 00:03:06,770 --> 00:03:10,771 28 days, 10 cities. Too So was full 80 00:03:10,771 --> 00:03:13,006 on, and I I really didn't know how 81 00:03:13,086 --> 00:03:13,884 I would get on. 82 00:03:15,161 --> 00:03:16,758 But it went marvelous asleep. Wow. 83 00:03:18,688 --> 00:03:21,148 And so I think it was good, you 84 00:03:21,148 --> 00:03:22,045 know, after 85 00:03:22,497 --> 00:03:24,957 significant loss of, you know, Michelle and I'd 86 00:03:24,957 --> 00:03:28,388 be married 42 years we'd... Known each other 87 00:03:28,388 --> 00:03:30,218 for about, you know, 44 years. 88 00:03:31,411 --> 00:03:31,911 And 89 00:03:32,684 --> 00:03:33,820 just to have 90 00:03:34,530 --> 00:03:36,129 you know, if I started the year in 91 00:03:36,290 --> 00:03:37,430 January, just 92 00:03:38,849 --> 00:03:39,349 home 93 00:03:40,210 --> 00:03:42,689 starting work again, it would have been terrible. 94 00:03:43,744 --> 00:03:46,221 But to do something fresh and new, 95 00:03:48,538 --> 00:03:50,455 and the amazing thing that happened, 96 00:03:51,109 --> 00:03:51,609 was 97 00:03:52,148 --> 00:03:54,086 I just felt like I'd unpack 98 00:03:54,704 --> 00:03:55,204 my 99 00:03:56,062 --> 00:03:56,562 calling 100 00:03:57,181 --> 00:03:58,240 bag. Mh 101 00:03:58,553 --> 00:04:01,020 And I just laid out everything before God 102 00:04:01,020 --> 00:04:02,770 and basically said, Lord, what are you gonna 103 00:04:02,770 --> 00:04:04,601 put back in the back? Yeah wow. 104 00:04:05,715 --> 00:04:07,306 And the first thing that went back in 105 00:04:07,306 --> 00:04:08,618 is my podcast, 106 00:04:11,151 --> 00:04:13,785 I just had so many affirmations from people 107 00:04:13,785 --> 00:04:16,235 in the field, the impact of it. Mh 108 00:04:16,354 --> 00:04:18,893 So that's gone straight back in. Mh Then 109 00:04:18,893 --> 00:04:20,821 the other big surprise was 110 00:04:21,353 --> 00:04:24,051 Steve, nobody reads books anymore. So you better 111 00:04:24,051 --> 00:04:24,527 turn your... 112 00:04:25,419 --> 00:04:27,357 English language books into audiobooks. 113 00:04:28,535 --> 00:04:30,612 So that was the the second piece. 114 00:04:31,331 --> 00:04:33,983 Another piece was Yes. I've got another book 115 00:04:33,983 --> 00:04:35,821 in me. Oh, wow. And that's why I've 116 00:04:35,821 --> 00:04:36,540 been in India. 117 00:04:38,937 --> 00:04:40,476 I can come to that, but, 118 00:04:41,589 --> 00:04:45,096 the the gift of god was to have 119 00:04:45,096 --> 00:04:46,472 that un relatively 120 00:04:46,929 --> 00:04:49,454 unstructured time till I went to America. Just 121 00:04:50,445 --> 00:04:52,584 to get used to life without Michelle, you 122 00:04:52,584 --> 00:04:54,669 know, to grieve, to celebrate, 123 00:04:55,278 --> 00:04:57,359 to think, oh, this feels strange. What do 124 00:04:57,359 --> 00:04:59,277 you do at nights? You're just sitting around 125 00:04:59,277 --> 00:05:00,976 an empty house. Yeah. 126 00:05:01,355 --> 00:05:03,113 I mean, there are friends out there, but 127 00:05:03,113 --> 00:05:05,031 it's like, yes. But when you come home, 128 00:05:05,111 --> 00:05:06,310 the house is empty. Yeah. 129 00:05:07,521 --> 00:05:09,513 And that's a good thing to experience. 130 00:05:11,187 --> 00:05:13,179 You know, so many times, 131 00:05:14,869 --> 00:05:17,027 I thought I must send Michelle text about 132 00:05:17,027 --> 00:05:19,584 that. Oh, wow. You know, I I actually 133 00:05:19,584 --> 00:05:21,981 caught myself doing this. I just woke up 134 00:05:21,981 --> 00:05:23,100 in the middle of the night. 135 00:05:24,704 --> 00:05:25,972 I think when I just got back from 136 00:05:26,210 --> 00:05:28,428 India, and I'd had a nightmare, an occasionally 137 00:05:28,507 --> 00:05:31,059 I do that. And so yelled out. And 138 00:05:31,218 --> 00:05:33,211 I woke myself up, and I just went 139 00:05:33,211 --> 00:05:33,770 sorry, Michelle. 140 00:05:35,444 --> 00:05:35,842 You know? 141 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:38,234 And and now I mean, it's almost 10 142 00:05:38,234 --> 00:05:39,350 months since she passed. 143 00:05:40,564 --> 00:05:41,064 So 144 00:05:41,764 --> 00:05:44,104 god met me in that, you know, of 145 00:05:44,485 --> 00:05:46,564 not feeling like I had to have a 146 00:05:46,564 --> 00:05:47,044 plan. 147 00:05:48,492 --> 00:05:51,137 Empty out the toolbox. He gives me pieces, 148 00:05:52,147 --> 00:05:54,689 you know, back. So... And that's why I 149 00:05:54,689 --> 00:05:55,245 went to India. 150 00:05:56,213 --> 00:05:58,043 Because the next book is gonna be, sort 151 00:05:58,043 --> 00:06:00,589 of stories and case case studies from around 152 00:06:00,589 --> 00:06:00,986 the world. 153 00:06:02,180 --> 00:06:04,089 Most, I do that in most of my 154 00:06:04,089 --> 00:06:04,407 books. 155 00:06:05,058 --> 00:06:07,070 The difference here will be 156 00:06:07,604 --> 00:06:09,593 those stories and case studies will be about 157 00:06:09,593 --> 00:06:12,320 80 percent of the book, and the biblical 158 00:06:12,775 --> 00:06:13,275 foundations 159 00:06:13,904 --> 00:06:16,058 I'll pull in from the other books, but 160 00:06:16,058 --> 00:06:18,611 that'll be about 20 percent. Normally, the the 161 00:06:18,611 --> 00:06:20,287 percentages are reversed. 162 00:06:21,259 --> 00:06:23,006 So I had 3 and a half weeks 163 00:06:23,006 --> 00:06:24,594 on the ground in 164 00:06:25,865 --> 00:06:28,248 in India and the nepal. Yeah. And had 165 00:06:28,248 --> 00:06:31,288 an amazing time. Yeah. That's amazing. Well, before 166 00:06:31,288 --> 00:06:32,426 we jump into 167 00:06:33,042 --> 00:06:33,919 India? Why don't... 168 00:06:34,637 --> 00:06:36,710 Well, we just... How's the book going? How 169 00:06:36,710 --> 00:06:38,799 was your launch in the Us? And... Oh, 170 00:06:38,958 --> 00:06:41,834 the export... Yeah. Well, it was launched before 171 00:06:42,074 --> 00:06:45,762 Michelle passed away, but around September last year 172 00:06:45,762 --> 00:06:46,739 when when 173 00:06:47,432 --> 00:06:48,546 she was in her last weeks. 174 00:06:49,660 --> 00:06:51,489 That's when the book tour is going be. 175 00:06:51,728 --> 00:06:53,819 So we canceled that and then 176 00:06:54,289 --> 00:06:56,439 it opened up for March this year, 177 00:06:57,475 --> 00:06:59,887 and it went very well. Right? So 178 00:07:00,343 --> 00:07:03,211 not that I necessarily draw big crowds, 179 00:07:04,101 --> 00:07:05,475 But I did prioritize 180 00:07:06,565 --> 00:07:09,109 doing, you know, that the host would be 181 00:07:09,109 --> 00:07:11,669 actual practitioner. So it's going to help the 182 00:07:11,669 --> 00:07:14,780 momentum of what they're doing locally. Mh. And 183 00:07:14,780 --> 00:07:16,775 any stuff that I stir up, 184 00:07:17,653 --> 00:07:20,612 I can feedback to some... A local team 185 00:07:20,612 --> 00:07:22,836 who can follow it up. And in that 186 00:07:22,836 --> 00:07:25,219 sense, it went it went very well because 187 00:07:25,219 --> 00:07:26,888 we we've got some good people in the 188 00:07:26,888 --> 00:07:27,339 room 189 00:07:27,855 --> 00:07:29,837 Now we we would be very remiss in 190 00:07:29,837 --> 00:07:31,343 the middle of this podcast, not to give 191 00:07:31,343 --> 00:07:33,166 a plug for the book. Acts and the 192 00:07:33,166 --> 00:07:35,243 movement of god. Where where do people go 193 00:07:35,243 --> 00:07:37,071 and find 1. Well, if they go to 194 00:07:37,071 --> 00:07:39,774 movement dot net. Yeah. They'll they'll find. You 195 00:07:39,774 --> 00:07:41,761 know, available at all good bookstores. 196 00:07:42,555 --> 00:07:46,379 We'll a k for Australians, K has for 197 00:07:46,379 --> 00:07:47,966 the rest of the world, Amazon has it. 198 00:07:48,204 --> 00:07:48,442 Yes. 199 00:07:49,552 --> 00:07:51,551 Yes. Yeah. Now it's a great book. And 200 00:07:51,710 --> 00:07:52,503 III... 201 00:07:52,741 --> 00:07:54,249 If you haven't read it and you're listening 202 00:07:54,249 --> 00:07:56,312 to this podcast, so go ahead and grab 203 00:07:56,312 --> 00:07:56,947 yourself a call. 204 00:07:57,503 --> 00:08:00,296 I'm I'm re I'm reading it now. On 205 00:08:00,296 --> 00:08:01,885 because I'm doing it as an audiobook book. 206 00:08:02,839 --> 00:08:04,587 I thought, wow, this is pretty good stuff. 207 00:08:04,826 --> 00:08:05,564 You know what 208 00:08:06,336 --> 00:08:09,291 whoever wrote this must been brutal. Although IIA 209 00:08:09,291 --> 00:08:11,517 couple of times I thought those senses are 210 00:08:11,517 --> 00:08:13,663 too long. Why didn't you say it's simpler? 211 00:08:13,822 --> 00:08:15,412 You know, because now I've gotta read it. 212 00:08:15,810 --> 00:08:19,649 And I Net never never use foreign language 213 00:08:19,649 --> 00:08:21,801 names because it's so hard to say. 214 00:08:23,157 --> 00:08:25,564 So I actually think my next book. Will 215 00:08:25,564 --> 00:08:26,783 be even better 216 00:08:27,162 --> 00:08:27,662 because 217 00:08:28,121 --> 00:08:30,459 I'm actually going to read it out loud 218 00:08:30,519 --> 00:08:32,836 in the editing process. Well, was just a 219 00:08:32,836 --> 00:08:33,875 little thing I've picked up. 220 00:08:35,248 --> 00:08:37,640 Really helps you understand from the readers point 221 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:39,076 of view. That's great steve. 222 00:08:41,548 --> 00:08:43,621 What were you learning as you you were 223 00:08:43,621 --> 00:08:46,102 in in the Middle East and in in 224 00:08:46,102 --> 00:08:47,953 the Mediterranean and also 225 00:08:48,407 --> 00:08:50,235 up into Europe, And I know you're doing 226 00:08:50,235 --> 00:08:50,950 some training there 227 00:08:52,381 --> 00:08:53,389 as you just 228 00:08:53,748 --> 00:08:56,213 looked and you observed and you were seeing 229 00:08:56,213 --> 00:08:57,963 what God was doing? What what were some 230 00:08:57,963 --> 00:09:00,054 of the observations that came out of that 231 00:09:01,004 --> 00:09:03,821 I think the principles and the best practices 232 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:08,515 are really important so being with practitioners in 233 00:09:08,515 --> 00:09:12,200 each. Field and looking for the commonalities of 234 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,375 what they're doing just doing the basics 235 00:09:16,586 --> 00:09:17,884 is really essential. 236 00:09:20,826 --> 00:09:23,931 Alongside of that is just as important, is 237 00:09:23,931 --> 00:09:26,980 the life of the catalyst or the worker 238 00:09:28,009 --> 00:09:30,966 the guide is shaping us in terms of 239 00:09:30,966 --> 00:09:32,425 our skills and 240 00:09:32,884 --> 00:09:36,000 application of principles and best practice and all 241 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:36,400 of that. 242 00:09:37,134 --> 00:09:39,528 He's also shaping who we are. Yeah. 243 00:09:40,247 --> 00:09:40,747 And 244 00:09:41,205 --> 00:09:43,200 they came very much out of the axe. 245 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,057 Here's some repeated patterns 246 00:09:45,436 --> 00:09:45,889 of 247 00:09:46,888 --> 00:09:49,226 of the mission of god in acts. Mh 248 00:09:49,605 --> 00:09:52,162 But here is also, you know, what's what's 249 00:09:52,322 --> 00:09:54,894 Paul doing in the middle of a Hurricane. 250 00:09:55,453 --> 00:09:58,329 On the Mediterranean. He's about to be dropped 251 00:09:58,329 --> 00:09:59,688 into icy cold water. 252 00:10:00,247 --> 00:10:01,445 He probably can't swim, 253 00:10:02,979 --> 00:10:05,796 his life's on the line. Mh And and 254 00:10:05,935 --> 00:10:07,453 so how is that a good use of 255 00:10:07,453 --> 00:10:09,152 his time? Or you know 256 00:10:09,850 --> 00:10:10,350 So 257 00:10:10,982 --> 00:10:11,801 There's a 258 00:10:12,176 --> 00:10:15,278 there's a shaping of the practitioner and the 259 00:10:15,278 --> 00:10:16,948 workers and the cattle. 260 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,040 That is just as important as the training 261 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,679 of our hands and in just the the 262 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,399 basics that we do to pursue movements. 263 00:10:27,373 --> 00:10:29,123 And so we need to track it. We 264 00:10:29,123 --> 00:10:30,180 mustn't see, 265 00:10:30,714 --> 00:10:32,702 you know, when we get dropped into the 266 00:10:32,702 --> 00:10:35,588 mediterranean or the equivalent, when the hurricane hits 267 00:10:36,696 --> 00:10:39,646 Don't feel like it's a distraction because God 268 00:10:39,646 --> 00:10:43,952 uses that hurricane. God uses paul's trials and 269 00:10:43,952 --> 00:10:44,452 imprisonment 270 00:10:45,003 --> 00:10:47,716 to get him before neuro in Rome. Mh. 271 00:10:48,035 --> 00:10:49,710 And so it's not a straight line for 272 00:10:49,870 --> 00:10:52,358 Paul. God gets him there, but there's a 273 00:10:52,358 --> 00:10:53,235 lot of zigzag. 274 00:10:53,794 --> 00:10:54,911 A lot of valleys. 275 00:10:55,470 --> 00:10:57,464 Yeah. In, you know, Yeah. And yet, it's 276 00:10:57,464 --> 00:10:58,980 a miraculous process, 277 00:10:59,313 --> 00:11:02,170 and yet pulls always in trouble. Yeah. I'm. 278 00:11:02,408 --> 00:11:04,629 And and I saw that in the field. 279 00:11:05,581 --> 00:11:06,851 You know, that... 280 00:11:08,057 --> 00:11:09,909 Here's some, you know, amazing 281 00:11:10,363 --> 00:11:11,340 repeated patents 282 00:11:12,112 --> 00:11:12,351 everywhere. 283 00:11:13,623 --> 00:11:16,645 There's also, but how is god shaping this 284 00:11:16,645 --> 00:11:19,203 couple of this family on mission together. 285 00:11:20,395 --> 00:11:21,826 And at times, you know, 286 00:11:22,541 --> 00:11:24,766 you just feel like Lord why are these 287 00:11:24,766 --> 00:11:26,940 dis distractions coming, and the lord saying, well, 288 00:11:27,100 --> 00:11:28,860 that's how I'm gonna get you to the 289 00:11:28,860 --> 00:11:31,839 end destination. So lean into it, and 290 00:11:32,299 --> 00:11:33,759 and just maybe 291 00:11:34,233 --> 00:11:36,081 276 292 00:11:36,375 --> 00:11:36,875 hardened 293 00:11:37,247 --> 00:11:38,540 criminal sailors 294 00:11:39,072 --> 00:11:39,572 and 295 00:11:40,024 --> 00:11:40,524 soldiers, 296 00:11:41,469 --> 00:11:43,547 gonna see and hear the gospel in the 297 00:11:43,547 --> 00:11:46,024 midst of this hurricane. Mh. And then the 298 00:11:46,024 --> 00:11:47,963 whole island of Malta 299 00:11:48,822 --> 00:11:49,781 is gonna be touched. 300 00:11:51,234 --> 00:11:53,467 So that's that's that's what I saw. Yes. 301 00:11:53,547 --> 00:11:55,222 It's a great observation. And the... 302 00:11:55,940 --> 00:11:57,216 It's not that 1, 303 00:11:57,854 --> 00:12:00,087 we we do 1 without the other. We 304 00:12:00,087 --> 00:12:00,826 just don't 305 00:12:01,379 --> 00:12:03,373 So they're important all. Yeah. And we just 306 00:12:03,373 --> 00:12:05,447 don't emphasize the external. Yeah. And we see 307 00:12:05,447 --> 00:12:08,653 the shaping of god. Yeah. Internally. I Mh. 308 00:12:08,892 --> 00:12:11,203 Yeah. And so as we observe that, we 309 00:12:11,203 --> 00:12:13,058 said, well god, what are you teaching me 310 00:12:13,355 --> 00:12:16,065 as I go, Mh by the Great commission. 311 00:12:16,399 --> 00:12:19,341 So Yeah. Yeah. Yeah really great observations. 312 00:12:20,136 --> 00:12:23,101 And so you you you went and and 313 00:12:23,158 --> 00:12:25,703 the book is being promoted and you're in 314 00:12:25,862 --> 00:12:28,604 Europe came back and then you you just 315 00:12:28,900 --> 00:12:31,447 had something in your belly of this new 316 00:12:31,447 --> 00:12:33,675 book. You've just gone into India. Tell me 317 00:12:33,675 --> 00:12:34,629 about the India trip. 318 00:12:35,839 --> 00:12:38,870 Well, it it was a great eye opener. 319 00:12:40,784 --> 00:12:41,103 You know, 320 00:12:42,140 --> 00:12:43,735 in in 1... I mean, I was there 321 00:12:43,735 --> 00:12:45,091 for 3 and a half weeks, but there 322 00:12:45,091 --> 00:12:47,891 was an 10 time of about a week. 323 00:12:49,005 --> 00:12:51,152 Well, I think we drove that week 45 324 00:12:51,152 --> 00:12:52,187 hours. Like, 325 00:12:53,157 --> 00:12:55,788 return trip from Melbourne to Brisbane for those 326 00:12:55,788 --> 00:12:57,143 who know, Australia. 327 00:12:59,057 --> 00:13:00,992 Although the roads are much better in 328 00:13:01,543 --> 00:13:03,298 India than what I remember. 329 00:13:03,856 --> 00:13:06,488 But still, and and staying in people's places, 330 00:13:08,004 --> 00:13:10,817 the thing that hit me was how 331 00:13:11,447 --> 00:13:14,545 I kept hearing the same story. Mh In 332 00:13:14,545 --> 00:13:15,045 different 333 00:13:15,419 --> 00:13:15,919 slight 334 00:13:16,451 --> 00:13:19,391 variations. But, you know, we'd be in just 335 00:13:19,391 --> 00:13:20,344 a simple home, 336 00:13:21,153 --> 00:13:23,849 with the extended family and friends all sitting 337 00:13:23,849 --> 00:13:26,069 around, and I just be saying. So how 338 00:13:26,069 --> 00:13:27,893 did the gospel come to you and your 339 00:13:27,893 --> 00:13:28,290 family? 340 00:13:29,179 --> 00:13:30,935 And how has it gone out from you 341 00:13:30,935 --> 00:13:31,414 to others. 342 00:13:32,132 --> 00:13:34,527 And I just kept hearing, well, someone came 343 00:13:34,527 --> 00:13:37,161 and visited our village or our home in 344 00:13:37,161 --> 00:13:37,640 the city. 345 00:13:38,848 --> 00:13:41,070 And they brought with a them... The off 346 00:13:41,070 --> 00:13:43,610 of prayer. It seems like it's like a 347 00:13:43,610 --> 00:13:44,904 universal. We've been out 348 00:13:45,929 --> 00:13:48,563 in Albert Park, which is a posh suburb 349 00:13:48,563 --> 00:13:49,760 if you know what posh means. 350 00:13:50,478 --> 00:13:50,638 Today. 351 00:13:51,516 --> 00:13:53,512 And that's all we did was offer. Can 352 00:13:53,512 --> 00:13:54,150 we pray for you? 353 00:13:54,803 --> 00:13:56,876 So the offer of prayer the differences in 354 00:13:57,195 --> 00:13:58,789 India is we welcomed it, 355 00:13:59,905 --> 00:14:02,775 and god healed someone. Mh. 356 00:14:03,589 --> 00:14:07,025 Or and or delivered someone of demons, 357 00:14:07,904 --> 00:14:08,404 and 358 00:14:09,023 --> 00:14:12,220 dad or husband was a hopeless drunk. 359 00:14:13,114 --> 00:14:13,614 Argument, 360 00:14:16,066 --> 00:14:19,018 angry with himself and the world and us, 361 00:14:20,389 --> 00:14:23,850 and god delivered him of that. And now 362 00:14:25,190 --> 00:14:27,589 now he even helps with the household chores, 363 00:14:27,829 --> 00:14:30,001 and he listens to me. Chase. This is 364 00:14:30,001 --> 00:14:32,313 the great. The the wives wanted to say, 365 00:14:32,632 --> 00:14:34,385 you know, they didn't talk so much about 366 00:14:34,385 --> 00:14:37,230 the miracles as and the demons fleeing, but 367 00:14:37,349 --> 00:14:39,022 My husband listens to me now. 368 00:14:40,376 --> 00:14:42,925 The granny house out house does a house. 369 00:14:43,323 --> 00:14:44,358 And that's the miracle. 370 00:14:45,474 --> 00:14:46,292 And then 371 00:14:46,603 --> 00:14:46,922 you know, 372 00:14:48,592 --> 00:14:52,115 so now they're a a family together gathered 373 00:14:52,172 --> 00:14:55,875 an extended family. Gathered around the scriptures learning 374 00:14:55,934 --> 00:14:57,930 1 story at a time to obey the 375 00:14:57,930 --> 00:14:58,648 lord Jesus. 376 00:14:59,925 --> 00:15:02,975 And they're going both near and far. And 377 00:15:02,975 --> 00:15:04,574 it's interesting. I've got this near and far. 378 00:15:04,735 --> 00:15:06,894 We go near and we go far. So 379 00:15:06,894 --> 00:15:09,294 near is our neighborhood or first of where's 380 00:15:09,294 --> 00:15:11,534 our relatives. Let's go share with that family 381 00:15:11,534 --> 00:15:13,137 here. Same deal We're just... 382 00:15:14,405 --> 00:15:16,704 Then what about neighbors? And what about that 383 00:15:16,704 --> 00:15:18,527 village, you know, walk away, 384 00:15:19,493 --> 00:15:21,716 But the disciples are also saying, 385 00:15:23,940 --> 00:15:25,290 hey, we... I met, 386 00:15:26,004 --> 00:15:28,246 3 a family that like been in the 387 00:15:28,246 --> 00:15:29,601 faith now for about 10 years. 388 00:15:31,673 --> 00:15:32,173 And 389 00:15:32,789 --> 00:15:35,180 and they... Like many had been lifted out 390 00:15:35,180 --> 00:15:37,899 of poverty, partly through then you found faith. 391 00:15:38,138 --> 00:15:40,683 Mh And they'd worked hard. They'd stopped drinking. 392 00:15:41,319 --> 00:15:43,545 They'd taken an interest in the family. Now 393 00:15:43,545 --> 00:15:44,818 they've got a couple of tractors. 394 00:15:45,787 --> 00:15:48,812 In a farming community that they can hire 395 00:15:48,812 --> 00:15:51,359 out their labor and the tractor and their 396 00:15:51,359 --> 00:15:53,031 earning an income, 3 brothers, 397 00:15:53,761 --> 00:15:56,167 and, you know, mom and dad were living 398 00:15:56,223 --> 00:15:57,255 there too nearby. 399 00:15:58,208 --> 00:15:58,708 But 400 00:15:59,161 --> 00:16:00,058 2 of them 401 00:16:00,431 --> 00:16:01,464 I'd stay back, 402 00:16:03,229 --> 00:16:06,026 And 1, they've said, let's go over here 403 00:16:06,026 --> 00:16:07,545 near this border. 404 00:16:08,663 --> 00:16:09,163 And 405 00:16:09,942 --> 00:16:12,020 so 1 of them has gone there to 406 00:16:12,020 --> 00:16:14,822 work. For 2 or 3 months. Mh. It 407 00:16:14,822 --> 00:16:17,049 works hard during the day and at 90 408 00:16:17,049 --> 00:16:20,509 plant churches, in an un village. Mh. Because 409 00:16:20,570 --> 00:16:23,610 all the disciples, not just the leaders or 410 00:16:23,610 --> 00:16:25,210 the the missionaries or whatever, 411 00:16:26,009 --> 00:16:28,579 were committed to near and far, near far. 412 00:16:29,771 --> 00:16:31,837 And they would... That was happening. You know, 413 00:16:32,314 --> 00:16:34,062 or maybe it's not... And by the way, 414 00:16:34,142 --> 00:16:36,072 the the brothers and their wives 415 00:16:37,019 --> 00:16:38,159 were contributing 416 00:16:38,620 --> 00:16:39,980 for some lost income, 417 00:16:40,860 --> 00:16:44,059 and we're gathering around the guy who they 418 00:16:44,059 --> 00:16:46,795 sent. His wife and family stayed home. For 419 00:16:46,795 --> 00:16:49,115 that 2 or 3 months. So everybody's is 420 00:16:49,115 --> 00:16:50,495 helping to look after 421 00:16:51,035 --> 00:16:53,035 the the family while the guys away. 422 00:16:54,805 --> 00:16:57,673 But, you know, another 1 of these former 423 00:16:57,673 --> 00:16:58,071 drunk, 424 00:16:58,628 --> 00:17:00,938 you know, he's like a godly man, and 425 00:17:01,097 --> 00:17:02,610 I stayed in his home for 3 nights. 426 00:17:03,182 --> 00:17:06,045 I'm thinking, hey, he was demon possessed and 427 00:17:06,045 --> 00:17:08,987 a drunk and Argument men it even violent. 428 00:17:09,623 --> 00:17:11,466 He's like a man of god. Well, he 429 00:17:11,466 --> 00:17:13,137 hops on the bus, and he might go 430 00:17:13,137 --> 00:17:16,557 10 hours. Wow, and okay. I'm I'm gonna 431 00:17:16,557 --> 00:17:18,227 stay in this village. Maybe he's got a 432 00:17:18,227 --> 00:17:20,873 distant relative in that that village. And I'm 433 00:17:20,873 --> 00:17:23,510 gonna bring the gospel. I'm gonna bring, 434 00:17:26,386 --> 00:17:27,445 this good news 435 00:17:27,919 --> 00:17:31,115 to somewhere far away. Yeah. I heard that 436 00:17:31,115 --> 00:17:33,831 story again and again and again. Mh. 437 00:17:35,683 --> 00:17:38,098 Another big insight with 1 of the movements 438 00:17:38,875 --> 00:17:39,375 was 439 00:17:39,913 --> 00:17:40,732 a technological 440 00:17:41,269 --> 00:17:41,429 piece. 441 00:17:43,357 --> 00:17:46,295 So a lot of ill, you understand especially 442 00:17:46,295 --> 00:17:48,995 in the rural areas in in India. 443 00:17:49,789 --> 00:17:50,924 So they 444 00:17:51,393 --> 00:17:54,522 sort of found their way to using Sd 445 00:17:54,580 --> 00:17:56,811 cards. Yeah. So the phones are, like 10 446 00:17:56,811 --> 00:17:59,680 or 15 dollar phones, but every Indian family 447 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:01,289 has a phone, virtually. Yes. 448 00:18:02,168 --> 00:18:04,825 But there's simple phones, so take an Sd 449 00:18:04,884 --> 00:18:07,941 card, memory card, but they're not like smartphones. 450 00:18:08,414 --> 00:18:09,932 They're bit more... They're are a lot more 451 00:18:09,932 --> 00:18:10,252 expensive. 452 00:18:10,891 --> 00:18:12,430 So on the Sd card 453 00:18:13,048 --> 00:18:16,005 is the audible bible in their language. 454 00:18:16,657 --> 00:18:18,827 And all that they do 35 455 00:18:18,884 --> 00:18:20,498 studies Mh. In, 456 00:18:20,873 --> 00:18:22,702 like creation to Christ. Yes. 457 00:18:23,909 --> 00:18:26,133 They can sort of read the text if 458 00:18:26,133 --> 00:18:26,530 they want, 459 00:18:27,324 --> 00:18:29,547 but the phone will read it for them, 460 00:18:29,706 --> 00:18:30,897 what to do in the study. 461 00:18:31,869 --> 00:18:34,289 But they don't just drop an Sd card 462 00:18:34,750 --> 00:18:36,349 and we'll see you when you finish the 463 00:18:36,349 --> 00:18:37,390 35 lessons. 464 00:18:38,670 --> 00:18:41,045 The people who bring the Sd card will 465 00:18:41,243 --> 00:18:43,707 loaded on from, say, and we'd love... When 466 00:18:43,707 --> 00:18:45,138 when would you be ready for us to 467 00:18:45,138 --> 00:18:46,966 come back? You know, we'll talk about. So 468 00:18:46,966 --> 00:18:48,499 there's... And they just 469 00:18:48,969 --> 00:18:51,762 They just work through that household 1 at 470 00:18:51,762 --> 00:18:53,597 a time. It was a bit slow. 471 00:18:54,634 --> 00:18:56,310 Well, at the end of the 35 weeks, 472 00:18:57,043 --> 00:18:59,698 instead of a hindu world view. They've got 473 00:18:59,996 --> 00:19:02,389 pretty much a basic Christian, probably better than 474 00:19:02,389 --> 00:19:05,680 most Western Christian did terms of the 1 475 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:07,220 true creator god 476 00:19:07,519 --> 00:19:08,480 who sent Christ. 477 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:11,940 They're... They they don't ba ties 478 00:19:12,974 --> 00:19:15,290 and they don't get to repent and believe 479 00:19:15,290 --> 00:19:17,368 and be baptized till they've been through the 480 00:19:17,368 --> 00:19:18,806 35 lessons. Yeah. 481 00:19:20,177 --> 00:19:23,443 But immediately, that's happening... They're already gossip. They're 482 00:19:23,443 --> 00:19:26,311 sharing the stories they're learning. Mh But now, 483 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,889 whoever's taken you through those studies says, let's 484 00:19:30,947 --> 00:19:32,460 let's go to your relatives. Yeah. 485 00:19:33,496 --> 00:19:36,067 And so all of a sudden, a very 486 00:19:36,459 --> 00:19:37,757 slowed disciples 487 00:19:38,374 --> 00:19:40,688 to conversion processes going on. 488 00:19:41,486 --> 00:19:43,263 But because that's happening 489 00:19:44,694 --> 00:19:47,015 there's a lot lot of this is going 490 00:19:47,015 --> 00:19:49,095 on at any 1 time, It looks like 491 00:19:49,095 --> 00:19:49,734 an avalanche. 492 00:19:50,134 --> 00:19:50,634 Mh 493 00:19:51,174 --> 00:19:54,229 Because if you've got almost 80 percent of 494 00:19:54,229 --> 00:19:56,726 your people who've have come to know Christ 495 00:19:56,865 --> 00:19:57,365 out 496 00:19:57,904 --> 00:19:59,502 winning and disc cycling others, 497 00:20:00,141 --> 00:20:02,949 it doesn't take too long before that's exponential. 498 00:20:03,109 --> 00:20:04,566 And this movement gone 499 00:20:05,103 --> 00:20:06,001 exponential. Mh 500 00:20:06,459 --> 00:20:09,112 In those Sd cards, you cut the 501 00:20:09,649 --> 00:20:10,946 the life of god 502 00:20:12,296 --> 00:20:14,051 can't you can't put it on an Sd 503 00:20:14,051 --> 00:20:16,125 card. Mh. So it comes with a a 504 00:20:16,125 --> 00:20:16,625 messenger. 505 00:20:17,879 --> 00:20:19,794 But on that sd card, is the living 506 00:20:19,794 --> 00:20:20,591 word of god. 507 00:20:21,961 --> 00:20:24,829 Is lessons in into disciples ship. They work 508 00:20:24,829 --> 00:20:26,741 through it together, and then they're ready to 509 00:20:26,741 --> 00:20:26,980 go. 510 00:20:28,095 --> 00:20:30,029 And the figures are absolutely 511 00:20:30,979 --> 00:20:33,616 breath in the hundreds of thousands. Yeah. Yes. 512 00:20:33,856 --> 00:20:36,333 In the hundreds of thousands. Mh. As best 513 00:20:36,333 --> 00:20:39,265 as you can, verified by a research to 514 00:20:39,384 --> 00:20:41,294 you know, a team of 7 who researched 515 00:20:41,294 --> 00:20:42,329 it over a couple of weeks. 516 00:20:44,638 --> 00:20:47,240 But what struck me because a household after 517 00:20:47,358 --> 00:20:50,135 a household and I'd never tired even though 518 00:20:50,293 --> 00:20:51,959 I was getting the same thing in every 519 00:20:51,959 --> 00:20:52,832 household. Yeah. 520 00:20:53,625 --> 00:20:54,680 Was the god 521 00:20:55,704 --> 00:20:56,682 the biblical 522 00:20:57,218 --> 00:20:58,414 literacy of these folks, 523 00:20:59,450 --> 00:21:03,197 to see whole families and extended households sitting 524 00:21:03,197 --> 00:21:05,521 around, they many of them had got paper 525 00:21:05,521 --> 00:21:07,908 bibles by then and were... You know, had 526 00:21:07,988 --> 00:21:09,022 Had learned to read. 527 00:21:10,375 --> 00:21:12,944 And everyone had a story of taking 528 00:21:14,527 --> 00:21:16,753 the gospel and disciples ship and the word 529 00:21:16,753 --> 00:21:19,218 of god to places near and far. 530 00:21:19,854 --> 00:21:21,229 So I'm really hearing 531 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:22,660 intentional 532 00:21:23,448 --> 00:21:26,556 engagement in prayer. Mh. So for the miracles 533 00:21:26,556 --> 00:21:29,026 to happen. Yeah. And gospel open. All they 534 00:21:29,026 --> 00:21:30,541 got. All we got is a prayer. 535 00:21:31,271 --> 00:21:32,064 That's our resource. 536 00:21:32,937 --> 00:21:35,556 It's a prayer accompanied with signs and wonders. 537 00:21:35,873 --> 00:21:37,143 Yeah. I'm hearing, 538 00:21:38,908 --> 00:21:41,861 a a process of going through scriptures, 35 539 00:21:41,861 --> 00:21:42,180 lessons, 540 00:21:42,979 --> 00:21:46,012 and and leading into culminating a following Christ 541 00:21:46,012 --> 00:21:46,831 and forming 542 00:21:47,224 --> 00:21:50,013 some sense of ec or group. And I'm 543 00:21:50,013 --> 00:21:53,201 hearing multiple location. Yeah. And our families and 544 00:21:53,201 --> 00:21:55,446 the near and fast like what Peter this 545 00:21:55,446 --> 00:21:57,269 is for your children and for all those 546 00:21:57,269 --> 00:21:58,854 who belong to you far off as well. 547 00:21:59,250 --> 00:22:01,866 You know that in acts chapter 2. Peter, 548 00:22:02,024 --> 00:22:04,584 really, because And and normally, we're just focus 549 00:22:04,584 --> 00:22:05,778 on the near. Yes. 550 00:22:06,494 --> 00:22:08,109 And I think it's important 551 00:22:08,564 --> 00:22:11,031 to do... Because that's Pent. Pent is an 552 00:22:11,031 --> 00:22:11,588 near and far. 553 00:22:12,798 --> 00:22:15,188 We're not gonna limit ourselves to Jerusalem. Mh. 554 00:22:16,940 --> 00:22:17,440 And 555 00:22:18,055 --> 00:22:20,206 and I and I say the other thing 556 00:22:20,206 --> 00:22:21,560 is is the life. 557 00:22:22,054 --> 00:22:23,253 I felt like I was in the book 558 00:22:23,253 --> 00:22:26,230 of acts. Yes. Wow. You know, here's 1 559 00:22:26,369 --> 00:22:28,926 it's a dramatic 1, but here's a widow. 560 00:22:29,246 --> 00:22:30,285 Husband's died. 561 00:22:31,337 --> 00:22:32,076 She's elderly, 562 00:22:33,329 --> 00:22:34,148 his family 563 00:22:34,922 --> 00:22:35,719 abandoned her. 564 00:22:36,436 --> 00:22:38,759 By the side of the road, she thinks 565 00:22:38,838 --> 00:22:40,107 I'm I'm here to die. 566 00:22:41,297 --> 00:22:42,194 The disciples 567 00:22:42,884 --> 00:22:44,788 come across her, take her home. 568 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,359 Feed her, help her get back to health, 569 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,599 find a replace to stay, 570 00:22:51,039 --> 00:22:52,880 you know, her own own place. 571 00:22:54,012 --> 00:22:55,758 She in the process, she comes to no 572 00:22:55,916 --> 00:22:56,234 Christ. 573 00:22:57,107 --> 00:22:58,614 And I said to my host, well, I 574 00:22:58,614 --> 00:23:00,360 guess she's not. She's 1 of those 575 00:23:01,327 --> 00:23:03,788 19 percent who aren't really able to go 576 00:23:03,788 --> 00:23:04,288 out 577 00:23:05,296 --> 00:23:06,089 near and far. 578 00:23:06,645 --> 00:23:08,882 And well, she's probably not going far. But 579 00:23:08,882 --> 00:23:10,786 they, oh, no, no. She she doesn't wanna 580 00:23:10,786 --> 00:23:13,483 lead a study. She she's illiterate, and she 581 00:23:13,483 --> 00:23:15,862 doesn't feel comfortable doing that. She just wants 582 00:23:15,862 --> 00:23:18,660 to go. But with the person who's gonna 583 00:23:18,660 --> 00:23:20,751 need the study. And she's out 584 00:23:21,683 --> 00:23:24,150 taking the gospel. 1, to to other house 585 00:23:24,150 --> 00:23:26,393 or. And I met her. She's like, Well, 586 00:23:26,473 --> 00:23:28,702 for this she's a saint. You could just 587 00:23:28,702 --> 00:23:31,171 see the life of Christ in her. 588 00:23:32,126 --> 00:23:33,957 And what was she? She was a... She 589 00:23:33,957 --> 00:23:34,117 was... 590 00:23:34,768 --> 00:23:36,830 She was thrown thrown out like a piece 591 00:23:36,830 --> 00:23:38,496 of rubbish on the side of the road. 592 00:23:38,813 --> 00:23:38,972 Wow. 593 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,045 And that that... Sort of thing, you know, 594 00:23:43,365 --> 00:23:46,484 the disciples in 1 city when Covid hit, 595 00:23:47,285 --> 00:23:49,765 you'd know there are a lot of day 596 00:23:49,765 --> 00:23:50,244 workers. 597 00:23:50,658 --> 00:23:50,897 Like, 598 00:23:52,012 --> 00:23:54,878 agricultural factory workers. They just... They get work 599 00:23:54,878 --> 00:23:56,709 1 day at a time, paid 1 day 600 00:23:56,709 --> 00:23:58,562 at a time. They're from other 601 00:23:58,874 --> 00:23:59,194 places. 602 00:23:59,753 --> 00:24:01,751 States. Parts or they might even be from 603 00:24:01,751 --> 00:24:03,769 the pole. Yes. So 604 00:24:04,148 --> 00:24:06,225 Covid shutdown, all work stops, 605 00:24:07,195 --> 00:24:10,132 they've got no income, and the government won't 606 00:24:10,132 --> 00:24:11,244 let them travel home. 607 00:24:12,276 --> 00:24:13,863 So what are the beliefs that they just 608 00:24:13,863 --> 00:24:15,554 got a whole lock lot of 609 00:24:15,864 --> 00:24:17,063 packages of food, 610 00:24:17,861 --> 00:24:20,178 and I went around the streets giving out 611 00:24:20,178 --> 00:24:23,467 food, praying for people sharing about Jesus. And 612 00:24:23,467 --> 00:24:26,018 the thing exploded, you know, with people coming 613 00:24:26,018 --> 00:24:28,647 to know Christ and into disciples ship. Yeah. 614 00:24:29,843 --> 00:24:30,343 So 615 00:24:30,894 --> 00:24:33,232 You know, we talk about, we're gonna restructure 616 00:24:33,451 --> 00:24:35,929 society we'll get political power and fix this 617 00:24:35,929 --> 00:24:38,406 and fix it. They're out doing the good 618 00:24:38,406 --> 00:24:38,725 samaritan. 619 00:24:39,618 --> 00:24:40,651 And with the gospel. 620 00:24:41,605 --> 00:24:44,624 And that is far more effective. The hands 621 00:24:44,624 --> 00:24:46,690 in the feet, hands and feet of christ. 622 00:24:47,660 --> 00:24:50,845 And that's normal for them. You know, an 623 00:24:50,845 --> 00:24:53,472 ax talks about no 1 considered their own 624 00:24:53,472 --> 00:24:55,039 money and property and wealth 625 00:24:55,479 --> 00:24:58,192 as their own. But as God led them, 626 00:24:58,352 --> 00:25:00,666 they were being gen generous with people in 627 00:25:00,666 --> 00:25:03,380 need, and that's what I experienced. 628 00:25:04,272 --> 00:25:05,227 And, you know, 629 00:25:06,182 --> 00:25:08,332 for the listener, right now, we're taking up 630 00:25:08,332 --> 00:25:08,991 an offering 631 00:25:09,367 --> 00:25:10,583 for the 632 00:25:10,959 --> 00:25:11,835 persecution in India. 633 00:25:13,207 --> 00:25:16,240 And we're we are or working in numbers 634 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,155 of context but in central India, 635 00:25:18,794 --> 00:25:21,520 is a just a dramatic increase. And persecution. 636 00:25:21,679 --> 00:25:22,895 Yeah. And murders 637 00:25:23,271 --> 00:25:24,544 and widows, 638 00:25:25,021 --> 00:25:25,976 etcetera. And 639 00:25:26,931 --> 00:25:28,840 and I was listening to this a few 640 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,410 weeks ago in And tears were in my 641 00:25:31,410 --> 00:25:33,250 eyes and I thought, I I can't simply 642 00:25:33,250 --> 00:25:35,009 just say me warm be feel we've comfort 643 00:25:35,250 --> 00:25:35,809 Pray for you. 644 00:25:36,609 --> 00:25:38,462 I wanna I wanna a give. Yeah. And 645 00:25:38,621 --> 00:25:38,939 I wanna... 646 00:25:39,894 --> 00:25:42,123 My little amount will put rice in the 647 00:25:42,123 --> 00:25:43,657 hands of some 648 00:25:44,033 --> 00:25:44,590 situation where, 649 00:25:45,306 --> 00:25:47,318 believers have come to Christ and 650 00:25:47,787 --> 00:25:49,612 they're not allowed to shop in their, they're 651 00:25:49,612 --> 00:25:52,469 local village. They're not... They don't have access 652 00:25:52,469 --> 00:25:53,976 to it or access the... 653 00:25:55,263 --> 00:25:58,690 Communal well or water supply. That's right. You 654 00:25:58,690 --> 00:26:00,364 know, you don't last long when they cut 655 00:26:00,364 --> 00:26:02,277 off the water. That's right. So if you 656 00:26:02,277 --> 00:26:03,966 want to give to that. And just go 657 00:26:03,966 --> 00:26:06,118 to the practice give page, and the drop 658 00:26:06,118 --> 00:26:07,734 down menu is the Indian 659 00:26:08,509 --> 00:26:11,554 persecuted church, Indian Per church offering to we 660 00:26:11,554 --> 00:26:13,634 guarantee that every dollar you give on that 661 00:26:13,634 --> 00:26:16,214 offering will end up in the hands of 662 00:26:17,315 --> 00:26:20,045 a family somewhere in India. That that is 663 00:26:20,363 --> 00:26:22,849 there. So just just a quick bite by 664 00:26:23,065 --> 00:26:24,336 mention on that in the podcast. 665 00:26:25,449 --> 00:26:28,572 Awesome, Steve. I just... Just some inspired. I 666 00:26:28,572 --> 00:26:30,650 mean, inspired by what God is doing in 667 00:26:30,809 --> 00:26:33,606 North India and Central India, the the Hindi 668 00:26:33,606 --> 00:26:34,165 speaking belt. 669 00:26:34,740 --> 00:26:37,380 This is a is an amazing season an 670 00:26:37,380 --> 00:26:38,019 amazing time. 671 00:26:38,579 --> 00:26:40,899 Let's let's reverse that and reflect that back 672 00:26:40,899 --> 00:26:41,779 to us. U. 673 00:26:42,432 --> 00:26:44,998 Here in the west. Mh. As we us 674 00:26:45,054 --> 00:26:45,531 we are, 675 00:26:46,405 --> 00:26:49,265 looking around. We're inspired by movements, and then 676 00:26:49,265 --> 00:26:51,507 we go out and we go Well, how 677 00:26:51,507 --> 00:26:53,739 many groups have we planted this This this 678 00:26:53,739 --> 00:26:56,289 month. Yeah. And we kinda shuffle that around 679 00:26:56,289 --> 00:26:57,246 and feel... 680 00:26:57,963 --> 00:27:00,916 Maybe discouraged. On yeah heating out against the 681 00:27:00,916 --> 00:27:03,398 wall. Yeah. What's some of the reflections or 682 00:27:03,532 --> 00:27:05,221 encouragement that we can grab 683 00:27:05,594 --> 00:27:07,910 from this that we'll inspire us to be 684 00:27:07,910 --> 00:27:08,966 faithful per 685 00:27:09,339 --> 00:27:11,959 in the harvest and yeah. Moving forward. 686 00:27:12,753 --> 00:27:14,183 Well, bit of perspective, 687 00:27:14,754 --> 00:27:16,742 You know, 1 perspective is a hundred years 688 00:27:16,742 --> 00:27:19,866 ago, people were saying, how could Christianity be 689 00:27:20,161 --> 00:27:21,297 a a true 690 00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:23,740 religion when it's the white man's religion. 691 00:27:25,818 --> 00:27:28,275 Well, that's been turned around. You know, it's 692 00:27:28,275 --> 00:27:31,232 it's a global faith and the most rapidly 693 00:27:31,445 --> 00:27:31,945 growing 694 00:27:33,853 --> 00:27:34,173 you know, 695 00:27:34,972 --> 00:27:37,689 groups of disciples are are in places like 696 00:27:37,929 --> 00:27:41,546 Iran, Nepal, India across Africa. So 697 00:27:42,179 --> 00:27:43,956 Let's just have some perspective 698 00:27:44,333 --> 00:27:46,748 and and realize there's some mystery 699 00:27:47,206 --> 00:27:47,844 about history. 700 00:27:50,251 --> 00:27:52,398 Think the other thing to do even more 701 00:27:52,398 --> 00:27:54,784 important is let's read the book of acts. 702 00:27:55,102 --> 00:27:55,340 Yeah. 703 00:27:55,976 --> 00:27:57,669 And ground our practice 704 00:27:58,123 --> 00:27:59,609 in the patents of 705 00:28:00,048 --> 00:28:01,242 the gospel and acts. 706 00:28:02,756 --> 00:28:04,667 And what we see reflected in the epi, 707 00:28:04,906 --> 00:28:07,535 let's do what Jesus did and what he 708 00:28:07,535 --> 00:28:08,331 continued to do, 709 00:28:08,983 --> 00:28:11,837 through his disciples in acts because that's right. 710 00:28:12,154 --> 00:28:13,843 You know, I like to say to people 711 00:28:14,215 --> 00:28:16,767 unless albert doesn't work in the west I 712 00:28:16,767 --> 00:28:18,751 sort of think, well, Jesus is hanging on 713 00:28:18,751 --> 00:28:19,386 the cross. 714 00:28:20,259 --> 00:28:22,084 And we're gonna ask him, is it working 715 00:28:22,084 --> 00:28:22,956 for you Jesus? 716 00:28:23,671 --> 00:28:26,157 So And he he... Why does he do 717 00:28:26,157 --> 00:28:28,151 what he does? Not just because it... I 718 00:28:28,151 --> 00:28:29,028 mean, it works, 719 00:28:29,587 --> 00:28:31,442 He knew he could just do miracles 720 00:28:31,820 --> 00:28:33,357 and just provide bread 721 00:28:34,308 --> 00:28:36,545 And they would make him king by force, 722 00:28:36,785 --> 00:28:38,942 and he would have a mass following. Maybe 723 00:28:38,942 --> 00:28:40,060 we'll take on the Romans. 724 00:28:41,034 --> 00:28:42,952 But he walks away from all of that. 725 00:28:43,112 --> 00:28:45,190 Even though he loves the crowds because he's 726 00:28:45,190 --> 00:28:46,389 looking for disciples. 727 00:28:47,588 --> 00:28:48,088 And 728 00:28:49,106 --> 00:28:50,565 he's working out 729 00:28:51,277 --> 00:28:53,108 the father's plan and purpose. 730 00:28:54,620 --> 00:28:57,269 And he's doing what's right... So our first 731 00:28:57,406 --> 00:29:00,689 priority should be let's learn those patterns of 732 00:29:00,689 --> 00:29:04,379 engagement, the disciples ship church formation, leadership development 733 00:29:04,836 --> 00:29:08,027 that we reflected sea reflected in in the 734 00:29:08,027 --> 00:29:08,186 scriptures. 735 00:29:09,156 --> 00:29:11,775 And do it because it's right. Yeah. Not 736 00:29:11,775 --> 00:29:12,806 just because it works. 737 00:29:14,790 --> 00:29:17,904 The other thing I'd say is okay. Maybe 738 00:29:17,904 --> 00:29:18,803 we're not seeing, 739 00:29:19,262 --> 00:29:19,582 you know, 740 00:29:20,621 --> 00:29:21,920 14 or 20 741 00:29:22,299 --> 00:29:25,175 generations of disciples and churches that you can 742 00:29:25,175 --> 00:29:27,266 see. In other parts of the world. 743 00:29:28,144 --> 00:29:31,998 But everywhere where we engage with some simple 744 00:29:32,056 --> 00:29:32,556 disciplines 745 00:29:33,015 --> 00:29:35,090 and obedience with those tools, 746 00:29:36,219 --> 00:29:38,363 people are coming to no Christ. Yes. And 747 00:29:38,363 --> 00:29:41,143 going into disciples ships. So start there. Yes. 748 00:29:41,858 --> 00:29:42,358 We 749 00:29:42,732 --> 00:29:45,052 I was out with just a local pastor 750 00:29:45,052 --> 00:29:47,757 in out neighborhood, which is white and wealthy. 751 00:29:49,586 --> 00:29:49,904 And 752 00:29:51,273 --> 00:29:53,107 so many doors, you know, wear right thanks. 753 00:29:53,347 --> 00:29:54,065 Where right things. 754 00:29:55,022 --> 00:29:57,813 Self contained people who are at, but, you 755 00:29:57,813 --> 00:29:58,053 know, 756 00:29:58,770 --> 00:29:59,728 they're doing well. 757 00:30:00,859 --> 00:30:03,252 Then we just bump into a young man 758 00:30:03,252 --> 00:30:05,565 out on the street. He's an Indian student, 759 00:30:06,522 --> 00:30:09,473 And he's hungry to meet again and no 760 00:30:09,473 --> 00:30:09,712 more. 761 00:30:10,844 --> 00:30:12,915 And I say, well, you know, go to 762 00:30:12,915 --> 00:30:14,508 the people who are around you, 763 00:30:15,464 --> 00:30:16,659 go near, go far, 764 00:30:17,614 --> 00:30:19,765 and discover Christ in the harvest. 765 00:30:20,497 --> 00:30:22,009 Because he's already there. 766 00:30:22,645 --> 00:30:24,259 You can't control 767 00:30:25,272 --> 00:30:27,261 the rec of the Western World. 768 00:30:28,312 --> 00:30:30,227 But you still called to bring the gospel 769 00:30:30,227 --> 00:30:31,502 to them. Yeah. You know, 770 00:30:32,380 --> 00:30:35,490 Jesus didn't just talk to responsive people. 771 00:30:38,057 --> 00:30:38,557 So 772 00:30:39,493 --> 00:30:42,204 you just don't get in this game unless 773 00:30:42,204 --> 00:30:44,596 you've got skin in the game unless you're 774 00:30:44,596 --> 00:30:45,096 sharing 775 00:30:45,473 --> 00:30:45,952 inviting, 776 00:30:47,004 --> 00:30:49,637 reading the scriptures and see what god opens 777 00:30:49,637 --> 00:30:50,276 up. Yeah. 778 00:30:51,792 --> 00:30:54,426 Amen, Steve. Amen. It's just as we finish. 779 00:30:55,239 --> 00:30:57,629 I love you to just jump over me 780 00:30:57,629 --> 00:30:59,382 and speak directly to the listener, 781 00:31:00,179 --> 00:31:03,301 who's who's doing this and there, in all 782 00:31:03,301 --> 00:31:06,487 sorts of situations. Yeah. And and working this 783 00:31:06,487 --> 00:31:06,726 out. 784 00:31:07,442 --> 00:31:08,239 Wonderful people. 785 00:31:09,274 --> 00:31:11,319 And just bring a word of encouragement talk 786 00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:12,898 finish us in in 787 00:31:13,277 --> 00:31:15,035 sense of what would you like to say 788 00:31:15,035 --> 00:31:15,355 to them? 789 00:31:17,113 --> 00:31:19,351 I think that from time to time, you're 790 00:31:19,351 --> 00:31:21,997 gonna find this The task is too hot, 791 00:31:22,315 --> 00:31:23,588 or life is too hot. 792 00:31:24,861 --> 00:31:26,851 That's what's really grabbed me when I was 793 00:31:26,851 --> 00:31:27,885 writing the book on ax. 794 00:31:28,457 --> 00:31:31,242 That that acts... What's Acts 27 doing that? 795 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,470 You know, it's a long chapter, a lot 796 00:31:33,470 --> 00:31:34,288 of technical 797 00:31:34,902 --> 00:31:36,834 firsthand knowledge of of 798 00:31:37,384 --> 00:31:37,884 maritime 799 00:31:38,899 --> 00:31:40,973 terms and... In fact, if you wanna know 800 00:31:40,973 --> 00:31:43,844 about sailing in the ancient world, you read 801 00:31:43,844 --> 00:31:45,838 acts 27. It's the authority. 802 00:31:47,209 --> 00:31:50,013 So what's it doing there? Why has Luke 803 00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:52,216 under this inspiration of the spirit? 804 00:31:53,329 --> 00:31:54,203 Got it there. Well. 805 00:31:55,171 --> 00:31:57,075 Because every now and again, you're gonna be 806 00:31:57,075 --> 00:31:59,851 dropped into the freezing war of the mediterranean. 807 00:32:00,723 --> 00:32:02,809 You, you know, you you're trying to 808 00:32:03,516 --> 00:32:06,138 dog paddle towards of a piece of wood 809 00:32:06,138 --> 00:32:08,045 so you can float into the beach where 810 00:32:08,045 --> 00:32:09,952 there's a snake waiting to bite you, 811 00:32:10,999 --> 00:32:13,695 And you're gonna think, Lord, what... What's what's 812 00:32:13,695 --> 00:32:16,549 your messenger doing in such a a situation? 813 00:32:16,708 --> 00:32:19,449 Because he's headed them for you know, custody 814 00:32:19,508 --> 00:32:21,585 and trial and all of that. He's in 815 00:32:21,585 --> 00:32:22,544 the will of god. 816 00:32:23,423 --> 00:32:24,861 So hang on to that plank. 817 00:32:26,394 --> 00:32:28,791 Trust god for the 276 818 00:32:28,791 --> 00:32:30,730 people, not just gonna be saved 819 00:32:31,988 --> 00:32:32,887 from drowning, 820 00:32:33,346 --> 00:32:34,806 but those soldiers 821 00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:36,019 sailors 822 00:32:36,635 --> 00:32:37,453 and criminals 823 00:32:37,910 --> 00:32:39,664 are gonna see and hear the gospel from 824 00:32:39,823 --> 00:32:41,838 Paul. And then the gospel is gonna 825 00:32:42,215 --> 00:32:44,854 go out across Malta. The island of malta 826 00:32:44,854 --> 00:32:45,830 to these barbarian, 827 00:32:48,420 --> 00:32:50,742 and realize in your weakness, 828 00:32:51,208 --> 00:32:53,595 This... That's all you have as a practitioner 829 00:32:53,595 --> 00:32:55,901 or a disciple or a lost person, all 830 00:32:55,901 --> 00:32:59,003 you bring are your... Is your need of 831 00:32:59,003 --> 00:32:59,242 god. 832 00:33:00,211 --> 00:33:02,119 And say, Lord, I got nothing left here. 833 00:33:02,358 --> 00:33:04,903 I'm just clinging to this piece of timber 834 00:33:04,903 --> 00:33:06,891 hoping I'll get washed up on the beach 835 00:33:06,891 --> 00:33:08,402 so the snake can bite my arm. 836 00:33:09,689 --> 00:33:10,726 And say, well, Lord, 837 00:33:11,523 --> 00:33:14,496 just all I bring to you is is 838 00:33:14,874 --> 00:33:15,671 my weakness, 839 00:33:16,309 --> 00:33:18,782 reveal your glory and power. That's what Paul 840 00:33:18,782 --> 00:33:21,027 says is This you know, we carry this 841 00:33:21,027 --> 00:33:21,527 treasure 842 00:33:21,982 --> 00:33:23,096 in earth vessels. 843 00:33:23,654 --> 00:33:26,360 So how we get saved, it's no different 844 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:27,315 to how we 845 00:33:28,031 --> 00:33:28,850 get san, 846 00:33:29,305 --> 00:33:29,359 the 847 00:33:30,114 --> 00:33:32,497 or how we fulfill the task and the 848 00:33:32,497 --> 00:33:35,198 mission he's given us. You you don't do 849 00:33:35,198 --> 00:33:38,553 it by relying on your strengths and your 850 00:33:38,553 --> 00:33:40,865 capacities or even you will power and hard 851 00:33:40,865 --> 00:33:41,105 work. 852 00:33:42,381 --> 00:33:44,854 You you Lord we've been out we've been 853 00:33:44,854 --> 00:33:47,725 out fishing all night and we've caught nothing. 854 00:33:48,219 --> 00:33:50,557 Yeah. You know, and and 855 00:33:51,096 --> 00:33:53,573 okay? Well, why don't you just try this? 856 00:33:54,532 --> 00:33:56,690 And what's revealed is the power of god? 857 00:33:57,104 --> 00:33:59,501 So when you've got nothing left, when when 858 00:33:59,501 --> 00:34:01,258 when when you feel like I'm trying to 859 00:34:01,258 --> 00:34:03,255 fight this this battle. 860 00:34:04,069 --> 00:34:06,221 With 1 hand. My right hand tied behind 861 00:34:06,221 --> 00:34:08,214 my back and then occasionally both hands. 862 00:34:09,889 --> 00:34:11,642 That's the time to say this is a 863 00:34:11,642 --> 00:34:12,121 season. 864 00:34:12,614 --> 00:34:15,172 Where where I'm pressing into god, 865 00:34:16,130 --> 00:34:19,407 trusting him because the outcome of my ministry, 866 00:34:19,487 --> 00:34:20,925 the outcome of my life, 867 00:34:21,898 --> 00:34:23,330 is the fruit of knowing him. 868 00:34:24,125 --> 00:34:25,955 You know, you've got to engage. You can't 869 00:34:25,955 --> 00:34:28,103 just sit in your lounge room and, you 870 00:34:28,103 --> 00:34:30,269 know, But as you engage, 871 00:34:31,945 --> 00:34:34,975 Jesus said, as you go make disciples, I'm 872 00:34:34,975 --> 00:34:36,810 gonna be with you to the end of 873 00:34:36,810 --> 00:34:38,086 the age, the end of the earth. 874 00:34:39,058 --> 00:34:42,087 Expect that. Expected with you. He's already there 875 00:34:42,087 --> 00:34:42,724 in that place. 876 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:44,239 And 877 00:34:45,673 --> 00:34:46,412 and then 878 00:34:47,122 --> 00:34:48,554 When the breakthroughs come, 879 00:34:49,349 --> 00:34:51,258 you won't be touched by them Them in 880 00:34:51,258 --> 00:34:54,382 the sense your identity is not dependent 881 00:34:54,917 --> 00:34:58,520 on success in industry. Took about 40 years 882 00:34:58,520 --> 00:34:59,876 for the lord and knock that out of 883 00:34:59,876 --> 00:35:00,035 me. 884 00:35:00,992 --> 00:35:01,492 But 885 00:35:01,869 --> 00:35:03,784 but it's worth it. It's a battle worth 886 00:35:03,784 --> 00:35:04,103 fighting.