1 00:00:01,395 --> 00:00:03,491 It isn't like we've gotta become some sophisticated 2 00:00:03,549 --> 00:00:05,782 bunch of people, you know, the really sophisticated 3 00:00:05,782 --> 00:00:06,500 people. We don't. 4 00:00:07,776 --> 00:00:09,984 That's what prayer has been so much more 5 00:00:10,662 --> 00:00:14,032 than ever before because it's about being transformed 6 00:00:14,090 --> 00:00:15,844 much just learning and connected. 7 00:00:16,561 --> 00:00:18,530 Hey. Welcome again to the podcast and really 8 00:00:18,729 --> 00:00:20,164 great to have you here. I'm 9 00:00:21,122 --> 00:00:22,956 recording in a place that I've never actually 10 00:00:22,956 --> 00:00:25,848 tried the recording of podcast We're sitting around 11 00:00:25,907 --> 00:00:28,082 a campfire fire on the West 12 00:00:28,394 --> 00:00:29,515 side of Canberra. 13 00:00:30,074 --> 00:00:33,114 We've just been up at Mount Corey, praying 14 00:00:33,114 --> 00:00:35,835 over city of canberra. And I'm with Brian 15 00:00:35,835 --> 00:00:37,766 and class, and just had a a few 16 00:00:37,766 --> 00:00:40,717 wonderful days together as we've been doing some 17 00:00:40,717 --> 00:00:41,355 prayer walking, 18 00:00:41,833 --> 00:00:42,950 engaging in the harvest. 19 00:00:43,428 --> 00:00:43,987 We've been 20 00:00:44,705 --> 00:00:47,594 doing some training and prayer air together for 21 00:00:47,594 --> 00:00:49,195 the city. It's been awesome. 22 00:00:49,755 --> 00:00:52,395 Just a wonderful time. And I just thought 23 00:00:52,475 --> 00:00:54,715 I'd capture the moment and capture the time 24 00:00:54,715 --> 00:00:55,674 with Brian and class. 25 00:00:56,246 --> 00:00:57,143 And to see 26 00:00:57,594 --> 00:01:00,131 what god has been pouring into them that 27 00:01:00,131 --> 00:01:02,906 it might be an encouragement to us as 28 00:01:02,906 --> 00:01:03,406 we 29 00:01:04,111 --> 00:01:07,132 try and do Dm all over the place 30 00:01:07,132 --> 00:01:09,596 in Australia and throughout the world, wherever you're 31 00:01:09,596 --> 00:01:12,140 listening. So I trust this as a blessing 32 00:01:12,140 --> 00:01:12,617 to you. 33 00:01:13,508 --> 00:01:16,057 Welcome. Any background noise here is either the 34 00:01:16,057 --> 00:01:18,287 fire crackling or the wind blowing in the 35 00:01:18,287 --> 00:01:19,425 trees and 36 00:01:19,801 --> 00:01:21,416 camp that as just ambient 37 00:01:21,952 --> 00:01:24,921 atmosphere. As we're together. So welcome, Brian. 38 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:27,079 Good to have you to the podcast. Oh, 39 00:01:27,238 --> 00:01:28,597 it's great to be here. And great Da. 40 00:01:28,756 --> 00:01:29,475 You. Brian. 41 00:01:30,609 --> 00:01:31,967 You you've been on the journey for some 42 00:01:31,967 --> 00:01:34,284 time, and now you're... You're really in the... 43 00:01:34,843 --> 00:01:37,534 I would call it the birthing stage of 44 00:01:37,733 --> 00:01:38,233 cat 45 00:01:38,608 --> 00:01:39,721 work here in canberra. 46 00:01:41,152 --> 00:01:43,878 What has been the highlight 47 00:01:44,492 --> 00:01:45,389 of the last 48 00:01:45,859 --> 00:01:47,853 couple of months of learning? What has god 49 00:01:47,853 --> 00:01:50,724 being really emphasizing to you while you've been 50 00:01:50,724 --> 00:01:51,441 here in canberra? 51 00:01:52,637 --> 00:01:55,165 Okay. Well, you know, I first started to 52 00:01:55,523 --> 00:01:56,579 become aware of 53 00:01:57,034 --> 00:01:59,182 sample multiplication in 2013 54 00:01:59,182 --> 00:02:01,331 and so we're are 11 years on from 55 00:02:01,331 --> 00:02:02,365 that. And 56 00:02:03,001 --> 00:02:05,167 I I would say that if if there 57 00:02:05,167 --> 00:02:07,024 was a graph that showed my 58 00:02:07,402 --> 00:02:08,679 engagement with the process, 59 00:02:09,556 --> 00:02:11,631 you know, that took a long time, much 60 00:02:11,631 --> 00:02:13,953 longer than I I thought. And And I'm 61 00:02:13,953 --> 00:02:16,336 a by nature, you know, I grab hold 62 00:02:16,336 --> 00:02:18,083 of something even before I understand it and 63 00:02:18,083 --> 00:02:20,228 run doctor. Yeah. Yeah. Run out the door 64 00:02:20,228 --> 00:02:20,942 in the snow. So, 65 00:02:22,389 --> 00:02:25,123 So but but I didn't realize how 66 00:02:25,980 --> 00:02:26,480 how 67 00:02:27,018 --> 00:02:29,652 how how much had to be transformed in 68 00:02:29,652 --> 00:02:32,462 my thinking and in my acting because otherwise, 69 00:02:32,622 --> 00:02:34,299 I was just... I tried to implement a 70 00:02:34,299 --> 00:02:36,457 method. Mh. And the method didn't work. You 71 00:02:36,457 --> 00:02:38,864 know, it wasn't the method it was actually 72 00:02:38,864 --> 00:02:41,829 the the heart attitude, the 73 00:02:42,442 --> 00:02:44,271 perspective and all those other things. So I'd 74 00:02:44,271 --> 00:02:44,771 say, 75 00:02:45,146 --> 00:02:45,941 you know, that, 76 00:02:46,736 --> 00:02:47,452 over the years, 77 00:02:48,104 --> 00:02:48,423 with, 78 00:02:48,981 --> 00:02:51,134 I was passing a church in Canberra, and 79 00:02:51,134 --> 00:02:53,447 and I was keen... Yeah, We started all 80 00:02:53,447 --> 00:02:56,397 this way talking about building Monday's church, which 81 00:02:56,397 --> 00:02:58,323 was, you know, building church where you are. 82 00:02:58,562 --> 00:02:59,062 So 83 00:02:59,835 --> 00:03:00,335 so 84 00:03:02,222 --> 00:03:04,212 that that went on and on, and the 85 00:03:04,212 --> 00:03:06,042 commitment to Evangelist and we're still strong. 86 00:03:06,694 --> 00:03:07,513 But it wasn't 87 00:03:08,371 --> 00:03:11,165 multiplying evan. It was... We never thought of 88 00:03:11,165 --> 00:03:13,182 about multiplying. We always just thought about 89 00:03:13,879 --> 00:03:15,896 leading somebody to Christ and ba baptized 90 00:03:16,289 --> 00:03:18,047 joining for the church, And I would say, 91 00:03:18,527 --> 00:03:19,885 a couple of things have happened in the 92 00:03:19,885 --> 00:03:22,303 last couple of years. 1 is that claus 93 00:03:22,762 --> 00:03:24,680 came back to Canberra, and, 94 00:03:25,253 --> 00:03:26,867 and we've worked together 95 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:29,231 in all of this, and I think that's 96 00:03:29,231 --> 00:03:31,856 been really formative in my own mind. 97 00:03:33,062 --> 00:03:35,127 The other thing is that we that we've 98 00:03:35,127 --> 00:03:36,183 become much more 99 00:03:37,668 --> 00:03:38,803 understanding of the way 100 00:03:39,494 --> 00:03:39,994 discovery 101 00:03:40,765 --> 00:03:41,265 works 102 00:03:41,653 --> 00:03:44,673 in multiplication. So To help somebody to discover 103 00:03:44,673 --> 00:03:47,613 something is helping them to multiply something. And 104 00:03:47,772 --> 00:03:49,538 I I'd I I just I just feel 105 00:03:49,538 --> 00:03:51,453 a great sense of shame in 1 way 106 00:03:51,453 --> 00:03:53,848 that I spent all my time preparing Sermon 107 00:03:53,848 --> 00:03:56,561 and all these other things. And while those 108 00:03:56,561 --> 00:03:57,254 things have 109 00:03:57,771 --> 00:03:59,066 I kind of value. 110 00:03:59,758 --> 00:04:01,768 They don't they don't have any 111 00:04:02,142 --> 00:04:05,400 capacity in reality to multiply. I mean, they 112 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:07,085 don't have any. So I think of a 113 00:04:07,085 --> 00:04:10,030 bloke who's spent 50 years preparing Sermon and 114 00:04:10,030 --> 00:04:10,530 honestly 115 00:04:10,985 --> 00:04:13,452 pastor people and so forth. And still having 116 00:04:13,452 --> 00:04:15,814 a heart for evan, Mh. But not 117 00:04:16,254 --> 00:04:18,491 not multiplication and not... That's why, you know, 118 00:04:18,731 --> 00:04:20,488 I hear stories about multiplication. 119 00:04:21,287 --> 00:04:23,285 It just first blew my mind. 120 00:04:23,779 --> 00:04:25,699 And then when I started to commit to 121 00:04:25,699 --> 00:04:26,979 it, it was 122 00:04:27,699 --> 00:04:29,379 it was much more difficult than I thought, 123 00:04:29,620 --> 00:04:31,699 not... Yep. And so and so I can 124 00:04:31,699 --> 00:04:33,951 remember the first time I said to somebody 125 00:04:33,951 --> 00:04:35,306 who just become a disciple, 126 00:04:36,024 --> 00:04:36,821 don't come to church. 127 00:04:37,778 --> 00:04:39,611 We wanna do church in your house. Right 128 00:04:39,691 --> 00:04:41,626 And, Like, I cannot tell you how 129 00:04:41,937 --> 00:04:43,390 that was, like this huge 130 00:04:44,081 --> 00:04:44,637 water share, 131 00:04:45,351 --> 00:04:47,574 because I've spent 50 years telling people to 132 00:04:47,574 --> 00:04:49,814 come to do it. Yeah. And so those 133 00:04:49,814 --> 00:04:51,414 are the kind of things that have changed. 134 00:04:51,574 --> 00:04:52,555 And so we've 135 00:04:53,095 --> 00:04:55,414 not only had much more confidence about that, 136 00:04:55,735 --> 00:04:57,908 but it's actually become part of us. And 137 00:04:57,908 --> 00:04:59,523 so I think I definitely 138 00:05:00,217 --> 00:05:00,717 misunderstood 139 00:05:01,172 --> 00:05:03,424 what it would take to traverse 140 00:05:03,879 --> 00:05:04,379 the 141 00:05:04,835 --> 00:05:07,398 transition of thinking and and heart space and 142 00:05:07,398 --> 00:05:09,308 so forth about this. And so that's why 143 00:05:09,308 --> 00:05:11,401 prayer has been so much more important 144 00:05:12,015 --> 00:05:15,300 than ever before because it's about being transformed, 145 00:05:15,540 --> 00:05:16,759 not just learning something 146 00:05:17,139 --> 00:05:18,740 that's a new a new slick method. 147 00:05:19,300 --> 00:05:21,620 Yeah. Fantastic. And I'm just staying with you, 148 00:05:21,779 --> 00:05:21,939 Brian. 149 00:05:22,660 --> 00:05:23,779 We're here in canberra. 150 00:05:24,430 --> 00:05:26,119 And not only are you 151 00:05:26,490 --> 00:05:27,600 transitioning from 152 00:05:28,313 --> 00:05:30,373 what we would describe as a legacy or 153 00:05:30,373 --> 00:05:31,006 traditional church? 154 00:05:31,898 --> 00:05:34,692 Into a movement think in a movement spear 155 00:05:34,692 --> 00:05:37,646 head that's going on. But you're also doing 156 00:05:37,646 --> 00:05:40,541 it in an environment that's incredibly 157 00:05:40,932 --> 00:05:41,432 sophisticated. 158 00:05:42,123 --> 00:05:42,623 Canberra 159 00:05:42,997 --> 00:05:45,300 has some of the highest levels of education 160 00:05:45,300 --> 00:05:46,094 in our nation, 161 00:05:46,968 --> 00:05:47,683 has the 162 00:05:48,318 --> 00:05:50,896 as of very, quite quite progressive 163 00:05:51,586 --> 00:05:52,062 environment, 164 00:05:52,617 --> 00:05:55,394 and it's been the political capital, and, 165 00:05:56,284 --> 00:05:57,824 And so engaging 166 00:05:58,284 --> 00:05:59,324 in this culture, 167 00:05:59,805 --> 00:06:01,964 really is at the cutting edge of, as 168 00:06:01,964 --> 00:06:03,884 we engage with the question, how do we 169 00:06:03,884 --> 00:06:04,604 reach the west? 170 00:06:05,178 --> 00:06:06,313 And here 171 00:06:06,845 --> 00:06:08,751 is a is a is a is a 172 00:06:08,751 --> 00:06:11,450 con collaboration of all the thinking patterns that 173 00:06:11,450 --> 00:06:13,514 are happening in the west or that transitional 174 00:06:13,514 --> 00:06:14,014 thinking 175 00:06:14,403 --> 00:06:16,707 turning away from the traditional beliefs in God. 176 00:06:17,263 --> 00:06:18,058 Turning into, 177 00:06:19,170 --> 00:06:20,760 a whole bunch of stuff that's going on, 178 00:06:20,919 --> 00:06:21,419 how 179 00:06:21,808 --> 00:06:24,830 how are you engaging? How does Dm engage 180 00:06:24,830 --> 00:06:26,046 in that environment 181 00:06:27,137 --> 00:06:29,682 that you're finding. Yeah. Okay. And and, 182 00:06:30,254 --> 00:06:30,975 You know, that's why, 183 00:06:31,775 --> 00:06:32,095 you know, 184 00:06:32,814 --> 00:06:34,415 I would have... If I was having this 185 00:06:34,415 --> 00:06:36,915 conversation 10 years ago, I would've have said 186 00:06:37,214 --> 00:06:39,055 Canberra is a really hard place. 187 00:06:39,789 --> 00:06:41,224 But I I don't I don't I don't 188 00:06:41,224 --> 00:06:43,616 believe that anymore not because we've seen thousands 189 00:06:43,616 --> 00:06:44,276 of people 190 00:06:44,892 --> 00:06:45,769 multiplying disciples. 191 00:06:46,248 --> 00:06:47,146 But because, 192 00:06:47,763 --> 00:06:48,422 I know 193 00:06:48,973 --> 00:06:49,688 that we... 194 00:06:50,324 --> 00:06:51,913 If you start with the idea that the 195 00:06:51,913 --> 00:06:55,092 harvest is plentiful. Mh Right? And and and 196 00:06:55,092 --> 00:06:57,689 that if we pray, God will raise up 197 00:06:57,968 --> 00:07:00,678 workers for the harvest. It's not just numbers 198 00:07:00,678 --> 00:07:02,453 of people who are, 199 00:07:02,830 --> 00:07:05,514 you know, joining a crew. It's actually 200 00:07:05,874 --> 00:07:09,804 harvest workers, not just workers, harvest workers that 201 00:07:09,862 --> 00:07:12,197 who have harvest in their heart and know 202 00:07:12,336 --> 00:07:14,344 that that god has a way of doing 203 00:07:14,344 --> 00:07:16,678 this. And and it isn't it isn't like 204 00:07:16,816 --> 00:07:19,150 we've gotta become some sophisticated bunch of people 205 00:07:19,208 --> 00:07:21,281 in order to reach sophisticated people. We don't. 206 00:07:22,014 --> 00:07:24,087 There is a heart change inside, that means 207 00:07:24,087 --> 00:07:25,682 that when you're with somebody regardless to who 208 00:07:25,682 --> 00:07:26,080 they are, 209 00:07:26,878 --> 00:07:29,908 the... It's just it just bringing the kingdom 210 00:07:29,908 --> 00:07:32,156 to them. And so knowing what to saying 211 00:07:32,156 --> 00:07:33,830 what to do in this context, 212 00:07:34,309 --> 00:07:36,222 knowing which stories to tell and all other 213 00:07:36,222 --> 00:07:38,455 things. It's still the same, but it's just 214 00:07:38,455 --> 00:07:39,991 a different a different 215 00:07:40,303 --> 00:07:43,007 like bunch of stories, a different kind of 216 00:07:43,007 --> 00:07:44,699 approach, which is culturally 217 00:07:45,233 --> 00:07:47,142 connected. And so, you know, I think people 218 00:07:47,142 --> 00:07:49,710 have found around the world that different story 219 00:07:49,710 --> 00:07:51,710 groups work better and so forth. And so 220 00:07:51,870 --> 00:07:54,189 I reckon in our little bit of experience. 221 00:07:54,670 --> 00:07:55,490 We've seen 222 00:07:55,803 --> 00:07:58,266 different kind of ways of doing the story 223 00:07:58,266 --> 00:08:00,173 thing, but it's still the story thing. Yeah. 224 00:08:00,332 --> 00:08:02,240 And it's still discovery. Yeah. And it's still 225 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,039 holy spirit. Yeah. And it's still us having 226 00:08:05,039 --> 00:08:07,516 something inside that we're offering with the nut... 227 00:08:07,676 --> 00:08:09,993 With the knowledge that this this will give 228 00:08:09,993 --> 00:08:12,710 somebody an opportunity to connect with Jesus. And 229 00:08:12,710 --> 00:08:15,193 so I reckon it's all... That's why prayer 230 00:08:15,193 --> 00:08:18,057 is so important and obedience is so important 231 00:08:18,057 --> 00:08:20,286 because because we think we're too smart. 232 00:08:20,858 --> 00:08:23,650 To just believe what Jesus said about going 233 00:08:23,650 --> 00:08:26,521 and doing it. And I think that's it's 234 00:08:26,521 --> 00:08:28,994 it's not coming down. It's actually smart up, 235 00:08:29,233 --> 00:08:31,564 but it's smart up with a sense of 236 00:08:31,564 --> 00:08:33,004 what it is that's inside of the heart 237 00:08:33,004 --> 00:08:35,485 of God. And what is going on with 238 00:08:35,485 --> 00:08:37,424 the person that we're hanging out with. Mh. 239 00:08:38,379 --> 00:08:39,419 So good. And 240 00:08:40,220 --> 00:08:40,620 just to, 241 00:08:42,059 --> 00:08:44,459 enforce, we've been we've been engaging, and we 242 00:08:44,459 --> 00:08:47,110 we we pre walked and we've we've talked 243 00:08:47,110 --> 00:08:47,667 to people, 244 00:08:48,542 --> 00:08:48,780 and 245 00:08:49,496 --> 00:08:53,096 and just like a typical western environment, the 246 00:08:53,153 --> 00:08:55,538 nations live in canberra. So we've talked to 247 00:08:55,777 --> 00:08:58,980 Indian. And Fiji in the area that you're 248 00:08:58,980 --> 00:09:00,256 reaching is full of Nepal. 249 00:09:01,053 --> 00:09:04,482 And and and just jumping into that context 250 00:09:04,482 --> 00:09:06,834 being trans spirit in faith having 251 00:09:07,214 --> 00:09:08,355 upfront relational 252 00:09:10,174 --> 00:09:12,495 conversations quickly moves us into that Suite. I'll 253 00:09:12,495 --> 00:09:13,750 be really encouraged 254 00:09:14,265 --> 00:09:16,407 as we've just seen, you know, Emma, 255 00:09:17,756 --> 00:09:20,374 Fiji who who we've engaged with, who's just 256 00:09:20,374 --> 00:09:21,906 out from Fiji and 257 00:09:22,455 --> 00:09:26,214 And suddenly, suddenly, we're possibly seeing a discovery 258 00:09:26,214 --> 00:09:28,134 group starting in Emma's house. And 259 00:09:28,695 --> 00:09:30,794 and we're our our our brother from 260 00:09:31,109 --> 00:09:33,501 from India who served us coffee the other 261 00:09:33,501 --> 00:09:35,733 day. And his open openness to talk about 262 00:09:35,733 --> 00:09:39,240 the bible and spiritual things and, yeah, fantastic. 263 00:09:39,735 --> 00:09:41,095 1 thing I've I've really 264 00:09:41,574 --> 00:09:44,454 enjoyed hanging with you is the the the 265 00:09:44,454 --> 00:09:44,954 fundamental 266 00:09:45,414 --> 00:09:47,735 elements that I see in movements of prayer, 267 00:09:48,309 --> 00:09:50,803 of engagement in the harvest of a 268 00:09:51,180 --> 00:09:54,630 disciple making through discovery and multiplication is all 269 00:09:54,689 --> 00:09:55,965 running through what you're doing. 270 00:09:56,682 --> 00:09:57,581 Class, some 271 00:09:58,291 --> 00:10:00,281 before we jump into some of the stuff 272 00:10:00,281 --> 00:10:03,146 about team and prayer and harvest. What what 273 00:10:03,146 --> 00:10:06,666 grabs your heart, The most, what's what sings 274 00:10:06,666 --> 00:10:08,662 in your spirit when you think of Dm? 275 00:10:08,821 --> 00:10:10,098 What what do you love about it? 276 00:10:11,934 --> 00:10:14,998 I love the simplicity of it. And how 277 00:10:15,054 --> 00:10:17,513 anyone can actually grab hold of it, which 278 00:10:17,513 --> 00:10:18,648 brings us to the multi 279 00:10:19,655 --> 00:10:22,169 nature of of it, and it can be 280 00:10:22,209 --> 00:10:24,042 come a move. Just the simplicity of, of, 281 00:10:25,077 --> 00:10:25,714 the approach. 282 00:10:26,431 --> 00:10:26,931 And 283 00:10:27,706 --> 00:10:29,082 even even thinking about 284 00:10:29,553 --> 00:10:31,303 you refer to camera being in a very 285 00:10:31,303 --> 00:10:34,167 sophisticated place and educational levels and everything else. 286 00:10:34,803 --> 00:10:37,068 But when we think about how Jesus approached 287 00:10:37,284 --> 00:10:37,523 everybody. 288 00:10:38,159 --> 00:10:40,569 And if we do think that he 289 00:10:40,945 --> 00:10:43,093 he he was the smartest, wisest, 290 00:10:43,809 --> 00:10:46,688 most intelligent person to to walk on Earth 291 00:10:46,688 --> 00:10:47,006 ever. 292 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,063 He chose to use stories, and he chose 293 00:10:51,063 --> 00:10:52,359 to approach people 294 00:10:52,910 --> 00:10:54,529 at a heart level 295 00:10:55,710 --> 00:10:58,029 as much as engaging their mind through the 296 00:10:58,029 --> 00:11:00,669 stories as well. And so so the simplicity 297 00:11:00,669 --> 00:11:01,330 of this 298 00:11:01,884 --> 00:11:03,001 is just beautiful, 299 00:11:04,198 --> 00:11:07,151 because it brings us back to our dependence 300 00:11:07,151 --> 00:11:09,646 on God. Mh not our own 301 00:11:10,518 --> 00:11:13,632 level of this or that inability of this 302 00:11:13,632 --> 00:11:17,064 or that, lack of that or or abundance 303 00:11:17,064 --> 00:11:19,434 of that, but but rather the abundance of 304 00:11:19,794 --> 00:11:22,746 of the word of God, everything centering around 305 00:11:22,746 --> 00:11:25,640 that, and the abundance of the holy spirit 306 00:11:25,699 --> 00:11:27,350 inside of us empowering us 307 00:11:27,946 --> 00:11:30,729 and allowing us to capture the heart of 308 00:11:30,729 --> 00:11:31,445 god and sense, 309 00:11:32,319 --> 00:11:34,785 his desire to reach the lost people and 310 00:11:34,785 --> 00:11:37,304 the broken broken us in the world and 311 00:11:37,584 --> 00:11:38,623 and affect that 312 00:11:39,262 --> 00:11:40,940 through his word and through his spirit. 313 00:11:41,979 --> 00:11:42,778 Yeah. Awesome. 314 00:11:43,737 --> 00:11:45,655 For the listener who's listening, you know, we've 315 00:11:45,655 --> 00:11:47,590 been not only prayer walking, 316 00:11:48,070 --> 00:11:50,629 engaging in the harvest, but we're meeting with 317 00:11:50,629 --> 00:11:50,870 team. 318 00:11:51,590 --> 00:11:53,644 And in the nights, we've been doing some 319 00:11:53,844 --> 00:11:56,159 training and prayer or just stop sharing really, 320 00:11:56,717 --> 00:11:59,213 some stories from the from from the 321 00:11:59,671 --> 00:12:02,639 frontiers and also, you know, just training. You 322 00:12:02,639 --> 00:12:04,317 guys have also been going through 323 00:12:05,196 --> 00:12:06,635 Jim Brits book, and 324 00:12:07,674 --> 00:12:10,231 that's been really great and we're... We've just 325 00:12:10,231 --> 00:12:11,510 done 3 podcast podcasts with Jim. 326 00:12:12,637 --> 00:12:14,699 What have you picked up from Jim and 327 00:12:14,699 --> 00:12:16,920 how how is that applying in your context? 328 00:12:19,078 --> 00:12:21,462 Well, like, O'brien said the biggest challenge is, 329 00:12:21,621 --> 00:12:24,267 the challenging inside of us and and 330 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,517 so there's is saying in in in the 331 00:12:27,517 --> 00:12:30,059 movement world that I hear often, you gotta 332 00:12:30,059 --> 00:12:31,806 go slow to be able to go far. 333 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,063 And so to have a have a big 334 00:12:35,063 --> 00:12:37,858 impact, you gotta go slower and I reckon 335 00:12:37,858 --> 00:12:38,652 part of the reason. 336 00:12:39,367 --> 00:12:41,034 Why we have to go slow is because 337 00:12:41,034 --> 00:12:43,813 there are so many mind shift so so 338 00:12:43,813 --> 00:12:44,313 much 339 00:12:44,624 --> 00:12:46,698 has to do with renewing our mind. 340 00:12:47,416 --> 00:12:49,671 And grabbing hold of actual truth 341 00:12:50,767 --> 00:12:51,539 that we 342 00:12:52,059 --> 00:12:54,796 haven't big been aware of because we've interpreted 343 00:12:55,094 --> 00:12:57,012 the word through the lenses that we use 344 00:12:57,012 --> 00:12:58,210 and the grids that we use. 345 00:12:59,259 --> 00:13:01,163 And and so the renewing of the mind 346 00:13:01,163 --> 00:13:03,067 is a is a huge aspect of this 347 00:13:03,067 --> 00:13:03,567 and 348 00:13:04,019 --> 00:13:04,519 and 349 00:13:04,892 --> 00:13:06,820 Jim Brits, the the book 350 00:13:08,408 --> 00:13:11,125 presents us with 4 simple habits that we 351 00:13:11,125 --> 00:13:13,922 can grab hold of. And they they help 352 00:13:13,922 --> 00:13:15,760 us with with the renewing of the mind, 353 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:16,660 but also 354 00:13:16,974 --> 00:13:18,250 just, a great, 355 00:13:19,446 --> 00:13:19,946 gateway 356 00:13:22,158 --> 00:13:23,913 into into some of this some of the 357 00:13:23,913 --> 00:13:26,066 simple tools that we do need to use, 358 00:13:26,226 --> 00:13:26,679 which is 359 00:13:27,197 --> 00:13:29,106 you know, prayer is the first thing. Mh. 360 00:13:29,503 --> 00:13:32,049 So our prayer life changes as we realize 361 00:13:32,049 --> 00:13:33,242 that the challenge is great. 362 00:13:34,054 --> 00:13:36,531 And our prayer life changes because we become 363 00:13:36,531 --> 00:13:38,389 aware that we need to be transformed, 364 00:13:39,008 --> 00:13:41,245 and there's our process going inside of us 365 00:13:41,245 --> 00:13:44,931 and And so we pray for ourselves about 366 00:13:44,931 --> 00:13:47,404 the challenges and about the the things that, 367 00:13:47,723 --> 00:13:50,211 the revelation that we We get from heaven, 368 00:13:51,167 --> 00:13:53,580 and and we pray about that. We pray 369 00:13:53,877 --> 00:13:56,268 for the lost people. We pray for workers 370 00:13:56,268 --> 00:13:56,985 for the harvest. 371 00:13:57,398 --> 00:13:59,301 And we do that together as a community. 372 00:13:59,460 --> 00:14:01,601 Yeah. And so we learn to actually pray 373 00:14:01,601 --> 00:14:03,821 not just in our closets, but we learn 374 00:14:03,821 --> 00:14:04,931 to pray together. 375 00:14:05,581 --> 00:14:08,702 And and the corporate power and the dynamics 376 00:14:08,838 --> 00:14:10,903 that come into play, when we do that. 377 00:14:11,062 --> 00:14:12,571 And and then the second habit, 378 00:14:13,618 --> 00:14:14,674 has to do with, 379 00:14:15,128 --> 00:14:15,628 engaging 380 00:14:16,399 --> 00:14:19,260 the lost people and Mh. And having discussions 381 00:14:19,260 --> 00:14:20,825 with them that go beyond the 382 00:14:21,262 --> 00:14:23,491 how you're going and the weather and the 383 00:14:23,491 --> 00:14:25,958 sporting teams and so on and and getting 384 00:14:25,958 --> 00:14:26,618 into meaningful 385 00:14:27,709 --> 00:14:29,381 conversations about their life and what is actually 386 00:14:29,381 --> 00:14:31,708 happening in their life and and and becoming 387 00:14:31,708 --> 00:14:34,346 a good listener. Yeah. Through that. Yeah. Finding 388 00:14:34,346 --> 00:14:36,823 out about people and seeing where how... What 389 00:14:36,823 --> 00:14:39,141 kind of bridges that then might present in 390 00:14:39,141 --> 00:14:39,961 terms of 391 00:14:40,753 --> 00:14:43,638 know, bringing Jesus in into the into the 392 00:14:43,853 --> 00:14:45,466 conversation and and the good news 393 00:14:45,919 --> 00:14:48,638 that we haven't and and and so getting 394 00:14:48,638 --> 00:14:51,051 into spiritual conversation. And then the third habit 395 00:14:51,985 --> 00:14:55,014 has to do with with discovery and and 396 00:14:55,014 --> 00:14:56,944 and the whole idea of of, discovering the 397 00:14:56,944 --> 00:14:58,622 word and anybody can do it and and 398 00:14:58,622 --> 00:15:00,081 how do how to 399 00:15:00,539 --> 00:15:01,519 empower others 400 00:15:01,978 --> 00:15:02,717 to then 401 00:15:03,176 --> 00:15:03,676 immediately 402 00:15:05,029 --> 00:15:07,661 get other people on the discovery journey as 403 00:15:07,661 --> 00:15:07,820 well, 404 00:15:08,538 --> 00:15:11,431 as they're getting started themselves. Yeah. So 405 00:15:11,968 --> 00:15:14,302 what it has done is it's 406 00:15:15,094 --> 00:15:17,491 It's made the conversations that we have or 407 00:15:17,491 --> 00:15:18,211 with each other, 408 00:15:19,329 --> 00:15:21,247 as disciple making communities, 409 00:15:21,807 --> 00:15:22,926 real, genuine, 410 00:15:23,325 --> 00:15:23,805 authentic, 411 00:15:25,340 --> 00:15:25,740 honest, 412 00:15:26,220 --> 00:15:26,720 vulnerable, 413 00:15:27,580 --> 00:15:29,899 and we're talking about what is happening inside 414 00:15:29,899 --> 00:15:32,620 of us, rather than just about principles and 415 00:15:32,620 --> 00:15:36,654 truths and and external lies things which easily 416 00:15:36,875 --> 00:15:38,954 takes up all our time. So now it's 417 00:15:38,954 --> 00:15:41,595 about the internal thing that, the holy spirit 418 00:15:41,595 --> 00:15:43,529 is is working on. In my life. 419 00:15:44,407 --> 00:15:46,245 Positioning us for for 420 00:15:47,284 --> 00:15:50,320 just that that movement that it's gotta be 421 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,805 in us to multiply from us. Yes. And 422 00:15:52,805 --> 00:15:55,671 the idea of not expecting someone to else 423 00:15:55,671 --> 00:15:57,264 to do something that we are not doing 424 00:15:57,264 --> 00:16:00,389 ourselves. Which is hearing God, a obeying god 425 00:16:00,389 --> 00:16:00,889 praying 426 00:16:01,269 --> 00:16:04,149 and sharing with others. And that's gotta be 427 00:16:04,470 --> 00:16:06,730 in in all our lives and 428 00:16:07,043 --> 00:16:08,874 Yeah. 1 thing I really noticed about, 429 00:16:10,386 --> 00:16:12,773 the the time that I've had here is 430 00:16:12,773 --> 00:16:13,728 the idea of team. 431 00:16:14,700 --> 00:16:16,779 And you guys are of you've got pray. 432 00:16:17,019 --> 00:16:19,500 You've got going. You've got d cycling through 433 00:16:19,580 --> 00:16:22,094 Dbs and forming groups and and 434 00:16:22,547 --> 00:16:22,706 multiplication, 435 00:16:23,739 --> 00:16:26,600 or being woven into that, Dna, 436 00:16:27,394 --> 00:16:28,427 but your building team. 437 00:16:28,999 --> 00:16:31,553 And what's unique probably about this situation is 438 00:16:31,553 --> 00:16:33,788 your building team out of a church congregation, 439 00:16:34,346 --> 00:16:36,821 which is I think are somewhat challenging at 440 00:16:36,821 --> 00:16:37,060 times. 441 00:16:37,634 --> 00:16:39,707 And you... Because you're dealing with people at 442 00:16:39,707 --> 00:16:42,180 all different levels and places and you're going 443 00:16:42,180 --> 00:16:44,493 slow enough. How is how is that going 444 00:16:44,493 --> 00:16:46,008 for you in team building? 445 00:16:47,379 --> 00:16:50,172 Well, it is true. The teams have... So 446 00:16:50,172 --> 00:16:52,188 what what we did was we switched from 447 00:16:52,485 --> 00:16:53,225 just gathering 448 00:16:53,682 --> 00:16:54,400 everybody in a hole. 449 00:16:55,850 --> 00:16:59,199 To gathering in homes. And so the group 450 00:16:59,199 --> 00:16:59,699 size 451 00:17:00,952 --> 00:17:03,915 is is different and that allows for a 452 00:17:03,915 --> 00:17:06,457 different kind depth in terms of relationships and 453 00:17:06,457 --> 00:17:08,443 learning to love 1 another and And the 454 00:17:08,443 --> 00:17:11,326 kind of conversations and caters towards 455 00:17:12,032 --> 00:17:13,087 And so these 456 00:17:13,697 --> 00:17:14,094 groups, 457 00:17:14,570 --> 00:17:16,576 these churches are gather homes 458 00:17:16,949 --> 00:17:19,669 have now become the teams that are actually 459 00:17:20,692 --> 00:17:22,304 in the process of of 460 00:17:22,916 --> 00:17:23,416 becoming 461 00:17:23,949 --> 00:17:26,331 workers in the harvest or already working in 462 00:17:26,331 --> 00:17:28,555 the harvest. Then it it allows people who 463 00:17:28,555 --> 00:17:29,055 are 464 00:17:29,523 --> 00:17:30,817 who further 465 00:17:32,142 --> 00:17:34,841 down the track to encourage and and support 466 00:17:34,841 --> 00:17:36,587 those who are just getting on the track 467 00:17:36,587 --> 00:17:38,040 and at different stages 468 00:17:39,148 --> 00:17:39,867 on this journey. 469 00:17:40,507 --> 00:17:43,383 And that's team essentially isn't it. We're all 470 00:17:43,383 --> 00:17:45,541 heading in the same direction We're Mh all 471 00:17:45,541 --> 00:17:48,266 encouraging 1 another and supporting 1 another and 472 00:17:48,266 --> 00:17:50,970 cheering 1 another along and and learning and 473 00:17:50,970 --> 00:17:51,868 discovering things, 474 00:17:52,402 --> 00:17:53,697 as we go and 475 00:17:54,008 --> 00:17:56,972 and and celebrating the moments where somebody has 476 00:17:57,983 --> 00:18:00,130 not just revelation, but where they're actually put 477 00:18:00,130 --> 00:18:02,371 into practice what was revealed to them and 478 00:18:02,371 --> 00:18:04,196 that they p in their own lives. And 479 00:18:04,196 --> 00:18:07,134 so, yeah, we're we're seeing those kinds of 480 00:18:07,451 --> 00:18:09,357 teams happen, and and I I have to 481 00:18:09,357 --> 00:18:09,754 say that, 482 00:18:11,199 --> 00:18:13,217 I haven't had this much joy 483 00:18:13,836 --> 00:18:15,055 Yeah. In a church 484 00:18:16,073 --> 00:18:16,573 ever 485 00:18:17,112 --> 00:18:19,603 before as I am having right now. Wow. 486 00:18:19,921 --> 00:18:21,455 And and and the 487 00:18:22,626 --> 00:18:24,797 the the heart is just filled with with 488 00:18:25,013 --> 00:18:26,206 celebration and and 489 00:18:27,002 --> 00:18:28,116 and and wonder. 490 00:18:28,767 --> 00:18:29,958 At what God is doing. 491 00:18:31,309 --> 00:18:33,136 Yeah. That's that's awesome. 492 00:18:34,408 --> 00:18:36,076 Brian, just coming to you. 493 00:18:37,683 --> 00:18:39,917 We've got this wonderful thing happening. 494 00:18:40,475 --> 00:18:42,390 As you looking forward, 495 00:18:43,028 --> 00:18:44,065 what do you think? 496 00:18:44,637 --> 00:18:45,773 Are some of the challenges 497 00:18:46,386 --> 00:18:49,010 ahead. What do you think are some of 498 00:18:49,010 --> 00:18:50,521 the things like you're you're looking at it, 499 00:18:50,601 --> 00:18:52,429 you're saying, look, we're getting this, but I 500 00:18:52,429 --> 00:18:53,781 think we need to get to this place. 501 00:18:55,315 --> 00:18:57,974 What would you identify is because we all 502 00:18:59,075 --> 00:19:01,315 at a certain place, but we're all to 503 00:19:01,315 --> 00:19:03,327 grow. We've got a change? And we've gotta 504 00:19:03,327 --> 00:19:04,066 keep changing 505 00:19:04,443 --> 00:19:06,835 and growing. What are some of the changes 506 00:19:06,835 --> 00:19:08,052 in growth as you 507 00:19:08,828 --> 00:19:11,241 forecast in your mind. Next couple of years 508 00:19:12,190 --> 00:19:13,940 you've got some wonderful stuff happening here in 509 00:19:14,019 --> 00:19:15,928 Canberra. Yeah. What what do you think? 510 00:19:17,201 --> 00:19:18,099 Look, I think 511 00:19:19,848 --> 00:19:21,307 it comes down to 512 00:19:22,485 --> 00:19:23,704 multiplication happening at every 513 00:19:24,402 --> 00:19:26,820 in every part of the operation. So 514 00:19:27,610 --> 00:19:29,996 you can multiply disciples and so forth. And, 515 00:19:31,030 --> 00:19:32,564 that that can 516 00:19:34,212 --> 00:19:34,928 that can happen. 517 00:19:35,658 --> 00:19:37,329 But it can easily fall away. And I 518 00:19:37,329 --> 00:19:37,829 think 519 00:19:38,204 --> 00:19:39,874 what I've learned and what I've seen from 520 00:19:39,874 --> 00:19:42,994 other movements and so forth is that we're 521 00:19:42,994 --> 00:19:45,154 gonna need to multiply what I would call, 522 00:19:47,315 --> 00:19:50,035 apostolic hubs or cat hubs. Yeah. You know, 523 00:19:50,849 --> 00:19:53,409 and not just all over Australia, but all 524 00:19:53,409 --> 00:19:56,369 over Canberra. So. We're gonna need... And by 525 00:19:56,369 --> 00:19:57,970 apostolic, like I don't mean, you know, Capital 526 00:19:58,049 --> 00:19:58,869 A and 527 00:19:59,262 --> 00:20:01,328 getting money from everything everybody. Like, hierarchy or 528 00:20:01,328 --> 00:20:02,837 leadership No. Not how matter. Not even not 529 00:20:02,837 --> 00:20:05,061 even closed. Not even... It is actually the 530 00:20:05,061 --> 00:20:08,841 totally opposite of hierarchical. It's actually Yeah. Apostolic 531 00:20:09,058 --> 00:20:09,798 leadership giving 532 00:20:10,254 --> 00:20:13,362 support and direction and, you know, and and 533 00:20:13,362 --> 00:20:14,022 vision and 534 00:20:14,333 --> 00:20:16,162 casting vision and so forth And. And I 535 00:20:16,162 --> 00:20:18,865 think our experience would show that everything that 536 00:20:18,865 --> 00:20:20,160 is prosper is prosper 537 00:20:20,535 --> 00:20:22,259 because of some form of apostolic 538 00:20:22,936 --> 00:20:24,847 input. Like, you know? Now we get Apostolic 539 00:20:24,847 --> 00:20:26,519 I can put from the scriptures itself, of 540 00:20:26,519 --> 00:20:28,510 course, we do. And and if you notice 541 00:20:28,510 --> 00:20:31,310 what Paul says, in ephesians says, that the, 542 00:20:31,707 --> 00:20:33,216 that the church is built on the foundations 543 00:20:33,216 --> 00:20:36,075 of what's and prophets with Jesus being the 544 00:20:36,075 --> 00:20:39,115 cornerstone. So Yeah. So the the... The apostolic 545 00:20:39,251 --> 00:20:42,777 leadership will be Jesus connecting leadership. It'll be 546 00:20:42,936 --> 00:20:44,395 Jesus vision clarifying 547 00:20:44,774 --> 00:20:48,051 leadership. It'll be jesus empowering leadership. It'll be 548 00:20:48,051 --> 00:20:50,297 this kind of leadership. So at the moment 549 00:20:50,297 --> 00:20:51,274 that looks anything 550 00:20:51,648 --> 00:20:54,507 not the same as Jesus and the apostolic 551 00:20:54,507 --> 00:20:56,413 church, then let's get rid of it, you 552 00:20:56,413 --> 00:20:57,207 know, because, 553 00:20:57,858 --> 00:20:59,611 because there's all kinds of things that happen 554 00:20:59,611 --> 00:21:02,739 along the way. And and and and genuine 555 00:21:03,115 --> 00:21:03,854 leadership is 556 00:21:04,390 --> 00:21:04,890 is 557 00:21:05,505 --> 00:21:06,324 multiplied through 558 00:21:06,954 --> 00:21:08,489 leaders multiple multiply leaders 559 00:21:08,944 --> 00:21:12,050 and cat leaders multiply cat. And we know 560 00:21:12,050 --> 00:21:15,076 that movements multiple multiply movement. So what is 561 00:21:15,076 --> 00:21:17,794 that? That it's just actually that the the 562 00:21:17,794 --> 00:21:20,496 apostolic leadership, the vision, the faith and so 563 00:21:20,496 --> 00:21:23,277 forth broke out of the boundaries of anything 564 00:21:23,277 --> 00:21:24,016 that they 565 00:21:24,564 --> 00:21:27,024 we're involved in and saw beyond and saw 566 00:21:27,024 --> 00:21:29,008 beyond. And says he's like Paul he writes 567 00:21:29,167 --> 00:21:30,437 Jerome. You know, he's never been to Rome, 568 00:21:30,675 --> 00:21:32,199 but he's riding to Rome and says, Hey, 569 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:32,519 listen. 570 00:21:33,238 --> 00:21:34,517 I'm gonna gonna call in there because I'm 571 00:21:34,517 --> 00:21:35,656 on my way to Spain 572 00:21:36,035 --> 00:21:37,953 because Spain hasn't heard the gospel yet. So... 573 00:21:38,432 --> 00:21:40,031 And and I think, you know, the guys 574 00:21:40,031 --> 00:21:42,199 that have just come back from Nairobi from 575 00:21:42,199 --> 00:21:44,584 the catalyst camp there. You know, Are talking 576 00:21:44,584 --> 00:21:46,254 about the fact that here our guys, here 577 00:21:46,254 --> 00:21:47,549 are leaders who've seen 578 00:21:48,004 --> 00:21:49,378 movements, you know, happening 579 00:21:50,007 --> 00:21:52,394 multiple movements, but they're not thinking about what 580 00:21:52,394 --> 00:21:54,860 they've got. They're only thinking about what is 581 00:21:54,860 --> 00:21:56,849 yet to be done. And so I think 582 00:21:56,849 --> 00:21:59,891 that's the key now, now, some people need 583 00:21:59,891 --> 00:22:02,046 to have that inside of them, so they 584 00:22:02,046 --> 00:22:04,679 can look at what's going on and help 585 00:22:04,679 --> 00:22:07,827 to guide an importance over forth. So multiplying 586 00:22:07,965 --> 00:22:08,705 that cat 587 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,990 our leadership pubs. Here. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely agree 588 00:22:12,990 --> 00:22:14,904 with that because you know, as we see, 589 00:22:15,702 --> 00:22:19,385 we need people to belong somewhere in teams 590 00:22:19,385 --> 00:22:21,218 and to be sent out from somewhere. We 591 00:22:21,218 --> 00:22:22,595 need multiplying hubs 592 00:22:23,052 --> 00:22:26,253 and or disc cycling communities. Our, communities filled 593 00:22:26,253 --> 00:22:27,867 with disciples that's focused 594 00:22:28,242 --> 00:22:29,060 on loss 595 00:22:29,594 --> 00:22:32,632 and multiplying discovery bible studies and We see 596 00:22:32,632 --> 00:22:34,306 that clearly in the new testament that we 597 00:22:34,306 --> 00:22:37,514 with paul, planting hubs that multiplied and in 598 00:22:37,572 --> 00:22:38,072 saturated 599 00:22:38,528 --> 00:22:40,453 regions and and and 600 00:22:41,089 --> 00:22:43,633 it's it's kind of... It's different to what 601 00:22:43,633 --> 00:22:44,984 we see when we look at, 602 00:22:46,574 --> 00:22:49,607 traditional structure of church with some 1 person 603 00:22:49,607 --> 00:22:52,410 in charge, or, you know, it's actually a 604 00:22:52,466 --> 00:22:53,204 it it 605 00:22:53,578 --> 00:22:56,730 involves the values of of of everybody's a, 606 00:22:57,565 --> 00:23:00,030 everybody gets to contribute. And yeah. Wonderful. 607 00:23:00,586 --> 00:23:02,654 Wonderful of us see the multiply hub, 608 00:23:03,688 --> 00:23:06,414 developing here in canberra. And so those hubs 609 00:23:06,414 --> 00:23:07,474 will start with 610 00:23:07,775 --> 00:23:10,174 people who have that inside of them and 611 00:23:10,174 --> 00:23:12,174 need to be encouraged. You know? So so 612 00:23:12,335 --> 00:23:14,584 I think the idea is that those people 613 00:23:14,584 --> 00:23:17,853 need to be identified and encouraged and Yeah. 614 00:23:18,092 --> 00:23:20,166 And because because if you if you talk 615 00:23:20,166 --> 00:23:20,724 to somebody, 616 00:23:21,203 --> 00:23:23,689 very often, they've They do have something of 617 00:23:23,689 --> 00:23:24,189 the 618 00:23:24,566 --> 00:23:27,116 multiplying vision, but they... You know, like, like 619 00:23:27,116 --> 00:23:29,189 all things, you start to open your eyes 620 00:23:29,189 --> 00:23:31,433 and suddenly you see things you've never seen 621 00:23:31,433 --> 00:23:34,138 before. And that's why the people who are 622 00:23:34,138 --> 00:23:35,116 on this journey 623 00:23:35,491 --> 00:23:37,480 need to be looking out for the for 624 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,173 the people who are potential 625 00:23:39,563 --> 00:23:42,422 hub, you know, coordinators or catalysts all whatever 626 00:23:42,422 --> 00:23:43,772 of you wanna call it? That's right. 627 00:23:44,964 --> 00:23:47,211 So it's just been wonderful. 628 00:23:47,759 --> 00:23:50,486 To be here in canberra to see a 629 00:23:50,622 --> 00:23:52,553 multiplying hub developing to see 630 00:23:53,246 --> 00:23:53,746 a 631 00:23:54,121 --> 00:23:55,893 congregation, a gathering of people 632 00:23:56,684 --> 00:24:00,120 getting the heads around pray, go, disciple, 633 00:24:00,839 --> 00:24:01,079 multiply. 634 00:24:01,718 --> 00:24:03,737 Engagement in the harvest deliberately 635 00:24:04,515 --> 00:24:05,015 intentional 636 00:24:05,729 --> 00:24:06,688 spiritual conversations, 637 00:24:07,407 --> 00:24:10,044 looking for people of peace starting discovery bible 638 00:24:10,044 --> 00:24:11,323 studies. My heart sinks, 639 00:24:11,962 --> 00:24:13,720 as I come into this city, 640 00:24:14,295 --> 00:24:14,535 and, 641 00:24:15,414 --> 00:24:17,255 you know, the listener might know not know. 642 00:24:17,414 --> 00:24:19,894 But I've come into Canberra before. I grew 643 00:24:19,894 --> 00:24:22,215 up in this city. And I've prayed, and 644 00:24:22,295 --> 00:24:24,139 I said, where where could it be lord? 645 00:24:24,377 --> 00:24:26,200 How could it be started? And here we 646 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,737 are. We're seeing this multiplying home. I love 647 00:24:28,737 --> 00:24:30,085 being on team with you guys. 648 00:24:30,814 --> 00:24:32,481 It's awesome. And that's how I feel. I 649 00:24:32,481 --> 00:24:34,307 feel like I'm a team with you. We're 650 00:24:34,307 --> 00:24:34,807 together 651 00:24:35,657 --> 00:24:37,722 as a wonderful. And I'm looking forward to 652 00:24:37,722 --> 00:24:38,730 the journey ahead 653 00:24:40,205 --> 00:24:41,720 in conclusion, Brian, 654 00:24:43,155 --> 00:24:45,090 how would you like to encourage the listener 655 00:24:45,149 --> 00:24:47,461 as as they're looking at their world and 656 00:24:47,461 --> 00:24:49,863 their contact in all kinds of variety of 657 00:24:49,863 --> 00:24:50,363 places 658 00:24:50,817 --> 00:24:52,408 and things that they're facing. What would you 659 00:24:52,408 --> 00:24:52,964 like to say? 660 00:24:53,839 --> 00:24:55,271 Okay. There's a couple of things I'd like 661 00:24:55,271 --> 00:24:56,702 to say if I can do it very 662 00:24:56,702 --> 00:25:00,451 quickly. 1 is that that that prayer needs 663 00:25:00,451 --> 00:25:03,071 to evolve, not not just the amount of 664 00:25:03,071 --> 00:25:05,159 time you pray, but the way you pray 665 00:25:05,374 --> 00:25:07,065 because prayer needs to be a journey 666 00:25:07,533 --> 00:25:08,033 from 667 00:25:08,886 --> 00:25:10,795 not having something to getting something, 668 00:25:11,431 --> 00:25:13,977 not seeing something to seeing something. And when 669 00:25:13,977 --> 00:25:15,807 you see it, you need prayer to implement 670 00:25:15,807 --> 00:25:18,448 it, So prayer needs to... Everything needs to 671 00:25:18,448 --> 00:25:20,619 come from prayer. And what I'm saying is 672 00:25:20,677 --> 00:25:23,860 everything needs to come from heaven. Yeah. If 673 00:25:23,860 --> 00:25:25,952 it comes from the earth, no matter how 674 00:25:26,345 --> 00:25:28,265 whether the harvard business review, the likes that 675 00:25:28,265 --> 00:25:28,585 or not, 676 00:25:29,625 --> 00:25:31,144 it isn't gonna be a value to us. 677 00:25:31,545 --> 00:25:33,839 And and we've seen every time there's been 678 00:25:34,039 --> 00:25:37,240 some kind of pioneering Christian movement. It's always 679 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,440 been sponsored by prayer and the word. Yeah. 680 00:25:40,679 --> 00:25:42,359 And the spirit. So, you know, so that's 681 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:43,134 why I think 682 00:25:43,653 --> 00:25:45,646 let let prayer evolve. Don't just sit yourself 683 00:25:45,646 --> 00:25:47,639 in a room and just pray the same 684 00:25:47,639 --> 00:25:50,429 oil prayer, you know, pray the edges. Just 685 00:25:50,429 --> 00:25:52,278 what's going on at the edge. Pray for 686 00:25:52,278 --> 00:25:53,792 that pray for what we need at the 687 00:25:53,792 --> 00:25:55,626 edge and pray for what needs to happen 688 00:25:55,626 --> 00:25:57,381 at the edge. And keep on praying for 689 00:25:57,381 --> 00:25:59,533 that until you get what to do how 690 00:25:59,533 --> 00:26:01,696 to do it and everything else And secondly, 691 00:26:02,569 --> 00:26:04,259 never never leave 692 00:26:04,949 --> 00:26:07,250 the word out of it. Yeah. It it... 693 00:26:07,488 --> 00:26:08,757 It's gonna come from the word. 694 00:26:09,568 --> 00:26:11,880 And this is very hard for us. We 695 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,395 like fashion. We like, you know to move 696 00:26:13,395 --> 00:26:15,070 for the next thing and next thing. But 697 00:26:15,070 --> 00:26:18,041 this word keeps on stirring because this word 698 00:26:18,354 --> 00:26:19,628 from heaven is a person. 699 00:26:20,346 --> 00:26:22,098 And when we relate to the word, we 700 00:26:22,098 --> 00:26:24,727 get the opportunity of relating to the person, 701 00:26:24,966 --> 00:26:27,038 the presence of the person, the heart of 702 00:26:27,038 --> 00:26:27,697 the person 703 00:26:28,008 --> 00:26:30,233 and that word will lead us there. And 704 00:26:30,233 --> 00:26:32,379 that word will open our eyes. And that 705 00:26:32,379 --> 00:26:34,763 word will give us power and strength. That 706 00:26:34,763 --> 00:26:35,955 word will tell us how to get on 707 00:26:35,955 --> 00:26:37,644 with each other. Know, so that we can 708 00:26:37,644 --> 00:26:39,565 get the job done. So, Yeah. Prayer and 709 00:26:39,565 --> 00:26:41,644 the word and the obedience flows from that. 710 00:26:42,125 --> 00:26:44,605 That is the deal. Yes. Right. Nothing more, 711 00:26:44,684 --> 00:26:45,244 nothing less. 712 00:26:46,935 --> 00:26:49,560 Amen. So class pray for us as we 713 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:49,878 finish. 714 00:26:53,393 --> 00:26:55,403 Heavenly many father, we recognize that 715 00:26:55,777 --> 00:26:58,718 Care much more about the creation, the people 716 00:26:58,718 --> 00:27:00,307 that you have made than we do. 717 00:27:01,117 --> 00:27:02,173 And we just wanna 718 00:27:03,341 --> 00:27:05,827 get a sense of your love and compassion 719 00:27:05,883 --> 00:27:06,383 towards 720 00:27:06,995 --> 00:27:07,892 every person 721 00:27:09,299 --> 00:27:10,275 that are living 722 00:27:10,981 --> 00:27:12,171 amongst this generation. 723 00:27:12,805 --> 00:27:14,946 And we know that it is your holy 724 00:27:14,946 --> 00:27:17,587 spirit that works in us, so we pray 725 00:27:17,643 --> 00:27:18,381 and ask 726 00:27:18,689 --> 00:27:22,041 for your spirit to stir our hearts to 727 00:27:22,041 --> 00:27:23,159 open our eyes, 728 00:27:23,957 --> 00:27:26,192 to see things the way you see them 729 00:27:26,192 --> 00:27:27,171 to receive 730 00:27:27,882 --> 00:27:30,192 revelation and truth from heaven from your word, 731 00:27:30,749 --> 00:27:33,219 to hear your voice to be moved by 732 00:27:33,219 --> 00:27:35,609 you, and and for our ears to be 733 00:27:35,609 --> 00:27:38,815 open to to hear the stories of people 734 00:27:38,815 --> 00:27:41,049 in and where they're at and and to 735 00:27:41,049 --> 00:27:43,205 hear what you want to say to them 736 00:27:43,205 --> 00:27:45,693 and how you want to, reach out to 737 00:27:45,693 --> 00:27:48,080 them and touch their lives and transform them 738 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,807 as much as you wanna transform us. So 739 00:27:50,864 --> 00:27:52,948 once again, we just keep ourselves to you. 740 00:27:53,347 --> 00:27:55,820 We thank you for your faithfulness for your 741 00:27:55,820 --> 00:27:57,654 grace for your mercy for your goodness in 742 00:27:57,654 --> 00:27:59,967 our lives, but we want that to be 743 00:27:59,967 --> 00:28:03,007 experienced by everyone. And so we we'll just 744 00:28:03,007 --> 00:28:04,112 give ourselves to you, 745 00:28:04,823 --> 00:28:07,633 and we thank you for your impacting us 746 00:28:08,148 --> 00:28:11,263 and for your desire to reach every person 747 00:28:11,952 --> 00:28:12,111 amen.