1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,639 Welcome back to Podcast Insider. I'm Dave Clemens 2 00:00:02,639 --> 00:00:04,799 from the support and media team here at 3 00:00:04,799 --> 00:00:05,299 Blueberry. 4 00:00:05,679 --> 00:00:08,240 And I'm Mackenzie Bennett, director of marketing at 5 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:08,740 Blueberry. 6 00:00:09,359 --> 00:00:11,519 Today, we're gonna talk about something that probably 7 00:00:11,519 --> 00:00:13,380 doesn't get discussed enough in podcasting, 8 00:00:14,234 --> 00:00:16,015 your confidence as a host. 9 00:00:16,394 --> 00:00:18,875 Yeah. That's fun. So, yeah, we're we're gonna 10 00:00:18,875 --> 00:00:21,274 we're gonna pivot a bit and focus on 11 00:00:21,274 --> 00:00:23,675 you behind the microphone. We're not gonna talk 12 00:00:23,675 --> 00:00:25,355 about downloads. We're not gonna talk about gear. 13 00:00:25,355 --> 00:00:27,515 We're not gonna talk about growth strategy. We 14 00:00:27,515 --> 00:00:28,710 talk about those things a lot. 15 00:00:29,589 --> 00:00:31,509 Yes. Because if you don't feel confident when 16 00:00:31,509 --> 00:00:32,329 you hit record, 17 00:00:32,869 --> 00:00:35,109 all of that, everything else just feels so 18 00:00:35,109 --> 00:00:36,809 much harder than it needs to be. 19 00:00:39,189 --> 00:00:41,049 You're listening to Podcast Insider 20 00:00:41,414 --> 00:00:44,134 hosted by Mike Dell, Mackenzie Bennett, and Dave 21 00:00:44,134 --> 00:00:44,634 Clements. 22 00:00:45,575 --> 00:00:48,454 We're bringing you weekly insights, advice, and insider 23 00:00:48,454 --> 00:00:50,454 tips and tricks to help you start, grow, 24 00:00:50,454 --> 00:00:51,835 and thrive through podcasting, 25 00:00:52,215 --> 00:00:53,814 all with the support of your team here 26 00:00:53,814 --> 00:00:54,475 at Blueberry. 27 00:00:54,934 --> 00:00:56,640 Welcome. Let's dive in. 28 00:00:59,119 --> 00:01:00,340 Hosting a podcast, 29 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,479 isn't really just about having something to say 30 00:01:04,479 --> 00:01:06,959 because we all do, but it is it 31 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:08,719 is about making it an art form and 32 00:01:08,719 --> 00:01:09,780 saying it clearly, 33 00:01:10,079 --> 00:01:11,540 comfortably, and consistently. 34 00:01:12,355 --> 00:01:14,834 So you definitely have to have confidence to 35 00:01:14,834 --> 00:01:16,834 make that possible, and and we all mess 36 00:01:16,834 --> 00:01:18,135 it up sometimes. 37 00:01:19,155 --> 00:01:19,974 We're human. 38 00:01:20,834 --> 00:01:23,234 Yes. Yes. We all mess that up. That 39 00:01:23,234 --> 00:01:24,615 is absolutely true. 40 00:01:26,159 --> 00:01:27,599 But but I think this is a good 41 00:01:27,599 --> 00:01:28,420 thing to remember 42 00:01:29,119 --> 00:01:31,599 that the confidence is not a personality trait. 43 00:01:31,599 --> 00:01:33,920 It is a skill. It is a skill 44 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:35,140 that you have to, 45 00:01:36,159 --> 00:01:36,899 to train 46 00:01:37,439 --> 00:01:40,079 and and use very much like a muscle. 47 00:01:40,079 --> 00:01:41,540 You use it, you lose it. 48 00:01:42,034 --> 00:01:44,914 Yeah. I've I'm running into that doing this 49 00:01:44,914 --> 00:01:46,754 show, and I hope nobody can tell. I 50 00:01:46,754 --> 00:01:48,454 hope I'm faking it well enough. 51 00:01:49,155 --> 00:01:50,215 I think so. 52 00:01:50,594 --> 00:01:52,614 I I don't I I don't 53 00:01:52,994 --> 00:01:54,594 I don't make as much content as I 54 00:01:54,594 --> 00:01:56,790 used to. I still love doing it. I 55 00:01:56,790 --> 00:01:58,150 just don't make as much as I used 56 00:01:58,150 --> 00:02:00,090 to. And I'm used to hosting 57 00:02:00,549 --> 00:02:02,650 my own show, being the person 58 00:02:03,109 --> 00:02:04,090 behind the microphone. 59 00:02:04,870 --> 00:02:05,370 So, 60 00:02:05,829 --> 00:02:07,350 a lot of this is very much an 61 00:02:07,350 --> 00:02:08,969 act because I have not 62 00:02:09,335 --> 00:02:10,634 polished that skill 63 00:02:11,254 --> 00:02:13,115 of of being confident. 64 00:02:13,735 --> 00:02:14,235 And, 65 00:02:14,854 --> 00:02:17,675 you know, I think I think most introverts 66 00:02:17,735 --> 00:02:19,334 know how to do this pretty well. We 67 00:02:19,334 --> 00:02:20,074 can mask 68 00:02:21,014 --> 00:02:22,314 pretty well. Yeah. 69 00:02:23,014 --> 00:02:25,879 Because I think a lot of podcasters, not 70 00:02:25,879 --> 00:02:28,060 all of them, but a lot of podcasters 71 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,699 are actually just introverts that are like, 72 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:32,759 I have this really cool thing I wanna 73 00:02:32,759 --> 00:02:33,500 talk about. 74 00:02:34,599 --> 00:02:37,400 So I'm gonna try. And it's easy to 75 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:38,939 do when you're home alone 76 00:02:39,995 --> 00:02:40,894 in your little 77 00:02:41,275 --> 00:02:41,775 space. 78 00:02:42,074 --> 00:02:42,574 Yeah. 79 00:02:43,034 --> 00:02:45,435 But, yeah, it's definitely a skill. It it 80 00:02:45,435 --> 00:02:47,514 does not come naturally. Do not go back 81 00:02:47,514 --> 00:02:48,495 and listen to 82 00:02:48,875 --> 00:02:50,334 early episodes of 83 00:02:50,634 --> 00:02:52,314 any of my shows from, like, twelve years 84 00:02:52,314 --> 00:02:53,775 ago. Please don't do that. 85 00:02:55,199 --> 00:02:56,099 You know, actually, 86 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:57,219 I think, 87 00:02:59,199 --> 00:03:02,580 yeah, definitely, podcasters can probably have this, like, 88 00:03:03,439 --> 00:03:05,939 reputation of maybe being extremely extroverted 89 00:03:06,879 --> 00:03:09,199 and outgoing and stuff like that. But also, 90 00:03:09,199 --> 00:03:09,840 at the same time 91 00:03:10,675 --> 00:03:13,474 yeah, the podcaster is just, like, super chatty 92 00:03:13,474 --> 00:03:15,395 about this one thing that they wanna talk 93 00:03:15,395 --> 00:03:17,814 about, not about necessarily everything. 94 00:03:18,194 --> 00:03:18,675 Right. 95 00:03:19,074 --> 00:03:20,354 So I think that, 96 00:03:20,754 --> 00:03:22,435 a podcast is a good way for that 97 00:03:22,435 --> 00:03:23,414 to shine through. 98 00:03:23,955 --> 00:03:24,455 But 99 00:03:25,599 --> 00:03:27,860 it's definitely true for the two of us. 100 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:28,740 You know? 101 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:30,639 I can be very chatty, but at the 102 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:31,460 end of the day, 103 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:33,300 I'm gonna need to go 104 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:35,860 hang out by myself for a while. 105 00:03:36,319 --> 00:03:36,819 Exactly. 106 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:37,860 Yeah. 107 00:03:38,319 --> 00:03:40,694 And a big thing to remember is that 108 00:03:40,935 --> 00:03:42,875 this confidence that you might hear, 109 00:03:44,055 --> 00:03:45,675 yeah, it's put on a little bit. 110 00:03:46,055 --> 00:03:46,555 But 111 00:03:47,254 --> 00:03:47,754 that 112 00:03:48,615 --> 00:03:50,935 there there is kind of this core confidence 113 00:03:50,935 --> 00:03:52,455 that we have where, like, we know what 114 00:03:52,455 --> 00:03:53,594 we're talking about. 115 00:03:55,009 --> 00:03:55,509 But 116 00:03:55,889 --> 00:03:57,489 the more we do it, you know, the 117 00:03:57,489 --> 00:03:58,389 more repetition 118 00:03:59,009 --> 00:04:01,090 and the more familiar it is, like, the 119 00:04:01,090 --> 00:04:01,590 more 120 00:04:02,370 --> 00:04:04,449 the two of us get used to talking 121 00:04:04,449 --> 00:04:07,169 to each other in this format rather than 122 00:04:07,169 --> 00:04:07,989 just meetings 123 00:04:08,394 --> 00:04:10,634 or or, you know, throwing Mike in here 124 00:04:10,634 --> 00:04:13,354 or whatever the configuration is, the better the 125 00:04:13,354 --> 00:04:16,254 show gets. And that's why you've probably heard 126 00:04:16,634 --> 00:04:18,814 over the last little bit as we've changed 127 00:04:18,875 --> 00:04:22,410 things. I'm growing into my role as a 128 00:04:22,410 --> 00:04:22,910 cohost. 129 00:04:24,250 --> 00:04:26,889 You know? So so it's just that that 130 00:04:26,889 --> 00:04:28,589 repetition and familiarity 131 00:04:28,889 --> 00:04:30,110 that that really helps. 132 00:04:31,050 --> 00:04:32,029 Yeah. Especially 133 00:04:32,569 --> 00:04:35,274 since we do this show every week. You 134 00:04:35,274 --> 00:04:37,295 know, we have a regular publishing schedule, 135 00:04:37,754 --> 00:04:39,754 and so that means we gotta get episodes 136 00:04:39,754 --> 00:04:40,254 out 137 00:04:40,795 --> 00:04:43,375 on on that schedule that we've set and 138 00:04:43,915 --> 00:04:45,295 and people can expect. 139 00:04:46,074 --> 00:04:48,074 So I think that definitely helps as well. 140 00:04:48,074 --> 00:04:48,574 It's 141 00:04:50,139 --> 00:04:51,839 everything to do with podcasting. 142 00:04:52,779 --> 00:04:54,379 If you have not already worked in some 143 00:04:54,379 --> 00:04:56,000 type of content creation, 144 00:04:58,060 --> 00:04:59,740 especially when you're put in front of a 145 00:04:59,740 --> 00:05:02,079 microphone, can probably feel intimidating 146 00:05:02,379 --> 00:05:03,920 just because it is so unfamiliar. 147 00:05:04,860 --> 00:05:05,360 But 148 00:05:05,714 --> 00:05:06,214 I've 149 00:05:06,675 --> 00:05:08,915 been behind the microphone in some capacity on 150 00:05:08,915 --> 00:05:10,455 a regular basis since, 151 00:05:11,555 --> 00:05:12,455 2010. 152 00:05:12,595 --> 00:05:14,754 So I I don't I literally don't really 153 00:05:14,754 --> 00:05:15,735 think about it anymore. 154 00:05:16,115 --> 00:05:16,615 Yeah. 155 00:05:16,995 --> 00:05:19,254 Yeah. And those those first episodes, 156 00:05:19,879 --> 00:05:21,560 while I joke about please don't go and 157 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:22,459 listen to them, 158 00:05:23,479 --> 00:05:26,360 like, they're supposed to be awkward. They're supposed 159 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:27,579 to be weird because 160 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,360 this is where you're learning. Well, what is 161 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:32,439 your pacing? What is your tone? What is 162 00:05:32,439 --> 00:05:34,300 your rhythm? How do you transition? 163 00:05:34,904 --> 00:05:35,404 We 164 00:05:35,865 --> 00:05:36,365 still, 165 00:05:36,985 --> 00:05:37,485 like, 166 00:05:37,865 --> 00:05:39,964 Mike and I recorded an episode recently, 167 00:05:40,504 --> 00:05:43,705 and Kate, our editor, was like, yeah. You 168 00:05:43,705 --> 00:05:45,165 guys are the kings of 169 00:05:45,545 --> 00:05:47,225 you knows. Yeah. And I was like, yes. 170 00:05:47,225 --> 00:05:48,824 That is my middle name. And I've been 171 00:05:48,824 --> 00:05:49,884 doing this for, 172 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,100 you know, almost a decade and a half. 173 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:52,980 So, 174 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:54,339 yeah. 175 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,600 Be be weird and be awkward and figure 176 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,160 out who you are because that is what 177 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:01,220 your show becomes. 178 00:06:03,014 --> 00:06:05,894 Yeah. Your your podcast can absolutely feel like 179 00:06:05,894 --> 00:06:08,074 you're phoning it in sometimes, so 180 00:06:08,694 --> 00:06:10,154 that's not the, 181 00:06:11,574 --> 00:06:13,334 that's not the quality that you wanna put 182 00:06:13,334 --> 00:06:14,475 out. So Right. 183 00:06:15,029 --> 00:06:17,770 Your first episodes are supposed to feel awkward. 184 00:06:17,830 --> 00:06:19,589 Everything about them is probably gonna be a 185 00:06:19,589 --> 00:06:22,230 little bit different. You know? But if you 186 00:06:22,230 --> 00:06:24,310 if you wait to feel confident before publishing, 187 00:06:24,310 --> 00:06:27,129 you're you're just never gonna do it. Mhmm. 188 00:06:28,310 --> 00:06:29,830 Like, you have to, 189 00:06:31,004 --> 00:06:32,225 accept that movement 190 00:06:33,805 --> 00:06:35,185 or the the improvement 191 00:06:35,645 --> 00:06:38,365 that happens with your podcast is gonna happen 192 00:06:38,365 --> 00:06:38,865 publicly. 193 00:06:40,205 --> 00:06:42,205 That that Yeah. That is true for any 194 00:06:42,205 --> 00:06:43,279 type of content 195 00:06:43,699 --> 00:06:44,199 creation, 196 00:06:44,620 --> 00:06:46,371 I think, is that, you know, people are 197 00:06:46,371 --> 00:06:47,740 gonna know that it's happening. And and it's 198 00:06:47,740 --> 00:06:49,360 not gonna happen if you 199 00:06:49,740 --> 00:06:50,720 don't actually publish. 200 00:06:51,819 --> 00:06:53,680 Yeah. I think that's one of those things. 201 00:06:53,899 --> 00:06:55,919 I I've I've said it before whether 202 00:06:56,384 --> 00:06:57,845 on episodes or just 203 00:06:58,305 --> 00:07:00,544 in one on one conversations with people where 204 00:07:00,544 --> 00:07:02,324 I'm like, we are such at this age, 205 00:07:03,584 --> 00:07:05,985 in culture, you know, in society where it's 206 00:07:05,985 --> 00:07:08,544 like, I have to automatically just be good 207 00:07:08,544 --> 00:07:10,245 at the thing that I wanna do. 208 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,139 And it's like, you don't develop that skill. 209 00:07:14,199 --> 00:07:16,220 Like, I'm I'm working on writing 210 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:18,279 in my personal time. I wanna write a 211 00:07:18,279 --> 00:07:19,720 book. I've wanted to write a book since 212 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,199 I was, like, 13 years old. Mhmm. I'm 213 00:07:22,199 --> 00:07:23,500 well past that now. 214 00:07:23,879 --> 00:07:24,379 And 215 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:26,620 I find it so hard to 216 00:07:26,974 --> 00:07:27,794 put in that 217 00:07:28,254 --> 00:07:29,615 work even though I wanna do it because 218 00:07:29,615 --> 00:07:31,294 I just think that I should be good 219 00:07:31,294 --> 00:07:32,035 at writing 220 00:07:33,454 --> 00:07:35,074 a 500 page novel 221 00:07:35,854 --> 00:07:37,294 right off the bat. I've read a bunch 222 00:07:37,294 --> 00:07:38,675 of them. Yeah. And 223 00:07:39,100 --> 00:07:41,100 it's like, if you read what's in my 224 00:07:41,100 --> 00:07:43,500 notebooks right now, it's okay. But it I 225 00:07:43,500 --> 00:07:45,759 should not be publishing it. So 226 00:07:46,139 --> 00:07:47,899 I think we all have to kinda realize 227 00:07:47,899 --> 00:07:48,959 that no one 228 00:07:49,580 --> 00:07:50,080 starts 229 00:07:50,939 --> 00:07:53,935 smooth. No one's perfect. It is very bumpy, 230 00:07:54,394 --> 00:07:56,894 and you start to iron out those wrinkles 231 00:07:56,954 --> 00:07:58,654 the more that you do it. 232 00:08:00,235 --> 00:08:01,134 Yeah. And 233 00:08:01,595 --> 00:08:03,915 I think, the next one that we wanted 234 00:08:03,915 --> 00:08:06,629 to talk about was that structure will reduce 235 00:08:06,629 --> 00:08:09,110 those nerves over time, I think. Mhmm. 236 00:08:09,670 --> 00:08:11,689 Similar, you know, similar to 237 00:08:12,629 --> 00:08:13,910 like, we have to do this every week 238 00:08:13,910 --> 00:08:15,910 because we said we're gonna put an episode 239 00:08:15,910 --> 00:08:17,850 out every week. So that's what we do. 240 00:08:18,389 --> 00:08:20,310 So there is that type of structure that 241 00:08:20,310 --> 00:08:20,625 just 242 00:08:22,064 --> 00:08:24,084 you get in the groove of things. 243 00:08:24,625 --> 00:08:26,725 And instead of, you know, 244 00:08:27,425 --> 00:08:29,685 being anxious about it, you're just doing it. 245 00:08:29,904 --> 00:08:31,685 And you're getting over it, and 246 00:08:32,225 --> 00:08:35,169 and there is less and less anxiety from 247 00:08:35,169 --> 00:08:35,909 the uncertainty 248 00:08:36,450 --> 00:08:38,730 of your podcast because, like, you know how 249 00:08:38,730 --> 00:08:40,309 it works. You know what to do. 250 00:08:41,409 --> 00:08:41,970 Yeah. I've 251 00:08:42,850 --> 00:08:44,870 you know, when I was starting to do 252 00:08:45,570 --> 00:08:47,190 my show ages ago, 253 00:08:48,794 --> 00:08:50,475 I've I remember just being like, yeah. I'm 254 00:08:50,475 --> 00:08:51,915 gonna talk about this one thing, and I 255 00:08:51,915 --> 00:08:53,835 just went for it. And it was not 256 00:08:53,835 --> 00:08:56,495 great. And I learned pretty quickly that 257 00:08:57,115 --> 00:09:00,154 having an outline, just a super simple outline, 258 00:09:00,154 --> 00:09:01,434 you don't have to go in a bunch 259 00:09:01,434 --> 00:09:03,429 of detail, but it's like, this is my 260 00:09:03,429 --> 00:09:05,589 main topic. Here are points a, b, and 261 00:09:05,589 --> 00:09:07,129 c that I wanna talk about. 262 00:09:07,589 --> 00:09:09,289 And you go through those, 263 00:09:10,309 --> 00:09:12,009 and that kind 264 00:09:12,309 --> 00:09:14,009 of that's that's that structure. 265 00:09:14,629 --> 00:09:16,549 And you just kinda calm down, and you 266 00:09:16,549 --> 00:09:17,990 get into it, and you get to be 267 00:09:17,990 --> 00:09:18,490 yourself, 268 00:09:19,745 --> 00:09:21,684 and you refine that over time. 269 00:09:23,504 --> 00:09:24,404 Yeah. And 270 00:09:24,865 --> 00:09:25,365 it's 271 00:09:25,904 --> 00:09:26,804 it can be 272 00:09:27,105 --> 00:09:29,585 as simple or as complex as you want 273 00:09:29,585 --> 00:09:30,485 with that outline. 274 00:09:31,264 --> 00:09:32,085 But I think 275 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:33,620 my 276 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,160 my biggest one is, like, know the purpose 277 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:37,700 of the episode before recording. 278 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:38,559 Mhmm. 279 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,080 That's Yeah. That can definitely be where something 280 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,160 goes off the rails if you don't have 281 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:44,660 that 282 00:09:45,204 --> 00:09:45,704 because 283 00:09:46,325 --> 00:09:48,105 especially if you're doing it by yourself. 284 00:09:48,725 --> 00:09:50,725 You know, things evolve with other people when 285 00:09:50,725 --> 00:09:53,365 you're in a situation like Dave and I 286 00:09:53,365 --> 00:09:55,204 where, you know, if if you go down 287 00:09:55,204 --> 00:09:57,144 a rabbit hole, I'll go down with you. 288 00:09:58,004 --> 00:09:59,700 Sorry. But if 289 00:10:00,019 --> 00:10:02,259 I do it to you guys too. But 290 00:10:02,259 --> 00:10:03,000 if someone 291 00:10:03,460 --> 00:10:05,139 but if there's no one else to go 292 00:10:05,139 --> 00:10:06,980 there with you, then it's just you dragging 293 00:10:06,980 --> 00:10:10,679 your audience into that rabbit hole. Yeah. And 294 00:10:10,820 --> 00:10:12,419 and you don't know how they're gonna take 295 00:10:12,419 --> 00:10:12,919 that. 296 00:10:13,725 --> 00:10:16,384 Yeah. Yeah. Being a solo podcaster is, 297 00:10:17,164 --> 00:10:20,865 sometimes incredibly difficult Yeah. For that reason alone. 298 00:10:21,485 --> 00:10:23,424 I mean, even even doing, 299 00:10:23,804 --> 00:10:25,804 you know, like, I'm going to review this 300 00:10:25,804 --> 00:10:26,304 movie. 301 00:10:27,149 --> 00:10:29,069 I know that's the purpose of the movie, 302 00:10:29,069 --> 00:10:30,929 but the or the episode. 303 00:10:31,629 --> 00:10:34,190 And you just, like, okay. Well, now we 304 00:10:34,190 --> 00:10:35,789 need to add a little bit more structure 305 00:10:35,789 --> 00:10:37,629 so that we don't go off of on 306 00:10:37,629 --> 00:10:39,329 some rabbit trail about 307 00:10:39,709 --> 00:10:43,355 how camera lenses work. You know, because that 308 00:10:43,355 --> 00:10:46,714 doesn't matter, really. I yeah. Like, do I 309 00:10:46,714 --> 00:10:50,074 care about camera lenses? Actually, genuinely, yes. But 310 00:10:50,074 --> 00:10:52,074 I'm here to learn about this movie and 311 00:10:52,074 --> 00:10:54,574 if I should go see it. Right. Right. 312 00:10:56,190 --> 00:10:59,629 So yeah. The keeping keeping focus, I think, 313 00:10:59,629 --> 00:11:02,190 is important as well. But there's also, 314 00:11:03,230 --> 00:11:04,690 there's a there's a performance, 315 00:11:05,149 --> 00:11:07,490 and there is talking, and there is, 316 00:11:08,669 --> 00:11:10,865 you know, there there is a difference between 317 00:11:10,865 --> 00:11:11,524 the two. 318 00:11:12,144 --> 00:11:14,544 There's a lot of pressure that I think 319 00:11:14,544 --> 00:11:17,105 podcasters put on themselves to feel like they 320 00:11:17,105 --> 00:11:19,684 need to sound like a podcaster. 321 00:11:20,464 --> 00:11:20,964 And 322 00:11:21,345 --> 00:11:23,684 there is nothing that you need to follow. 323 00:11:23,789 --> 00:11:24,929 You can follow certain 324 00:11:25,470 --> 00:11:28,190 styles and journalists and, you know, like NPR 325 00:11:28,190 --> 00:11:29,889 kinda has this whole thing. And 326 00:11:31,149 --> 00:11:33,070 and new things have evolved in the past 327 00:11:33,070 --> 00:11:34,750 five to ten years of, like, what you 328 00:11:34,750 --> 00:11:36,750 can expect. But at the end of the 329 00:11:36,750 --> 00:11:37,250 day, 330 00:11:37,715 --> 00:11:38,535 you're recording. 331 00:11:39,235 --> 00:11:40,855 You're you're just talking, 332 00:11:41,394 --> 00:11:43,014 and that is a podcast. 333 00:11:43,394 --> 00:11:45,554 Like, it's it's kinda one of those get 334 00:11:45,554 --> 00:11:47,335 out of your own own head thing. 335 00:11:47,794 --> 00:11:50,054 Yeah. And I kinda look at this as, 336 00:11:52,639 --> 00:11:53,460 you know, like, 337 00:11:53,919 --> 00:11:56,340 there's ad read mode, and then there's 338 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:58,340 talking 339 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:00,580 to real people mode. Definitely. 340 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:02,340 You can hear that. 341 00:12:02,799 --> 00:12:05,774 And I've I've I've done it on this 342 00:12:05,774 --> 00:12:08,495 show before. Because we're, like, we have our 343 00:12:08,495 --> 00:12:10,415 our outline and things like that, and there 344 00:12:10,415 --> 00:12:12,754 are times where I'm literally just reading from 345 00:12:13,134 --> 00:12:13,794 our outline 346 00:12:14,254 --> 00:12:15,774 because I know I need to read that 347 00:12:15,774 --> 00:12:16,274 thing. 348 00:12:16,735 --> 00:12:17,235 And, 349 00:12:18,209 --> 00:12:19,829 yeah, like, even even 350 00:12:20,209 --> 00:12:20,949 the lines, 351 00:12:21,809 --> 00:12:24,289 make them you. Rewrite them so that they 352 00:12:24,289 --> 00:12:25,970 sound like you. I do that. I know 353 00:12:25,970 --> 00:12:27,490 there's a lot of times when Mackenzie's like, 354 00:12:27,490 --> 00:12:29,909 hey. Outline's ready. Look it over. I will 355 00:12:30,535 --> 00:12:32,375 rewrite something and just be like, yeah. This 356 00:12:32,375 --> 00:12:34,375 sounds a little bit more the way that 357 00:12:34,375 --> 00:12:36,634 I would say it or something like that. 358 00:12:37,335 --> 00:12:38,554 But, again, you 359 00:12:39,014 --> 00:12:39,674 you develop 360 00:12:40,054 --> 00:12:42,134 the skill, and then you're able to ad 361 00:12:42,134 --> 00:12:43,815 lib just a little bit without losing your 362 00:12:43,815 --> 00:12:45,035 place too much. 363 00:12:47,090 --> 00:12:48,529 So, a couple of things that you could 364 00:12:48,529 --> 00:12:51,350 think about doing is imagining 365 00:12:51,809 --> 00:12:53,110 one person listening 366 00:12:53,410 --> 00:12:54,309 rather than 367 00:12:54,690 --> 00:12:55,990 a 100 people listening. 368 00:12:56,610 --> 00:12:58,289 I know the early days, I always had 369 00:12:58,289 --> 00:12:59,669 to pick, like, a friend 370 00:13:00,014 --> 00:13:01,855 that was interested in the topic that I 371 00:13:01,855 --> 00:13:03,934 was talking about and be like, I'm gonna 372 00:13:03,934 --> 00:13:06,434 tell you about this book that I read 373 00:13:07,055 --> 00:13:09,055 because I want you to read it. Mhmm. 374 00:13:09,055 --> 00:13:09,555 And, 375 00:13:11,055 --> 00:13:13,230 another thing that you can do is, 376 00:13:13,850 --> 00:13:15,549 again, use that conversational 377 00:13:15,850 --> 00:13:16,350 language 378 00:13:16,809 --> 00:13:17,309 because 379 00:13:18,410 --> 00:13:20,410 as much as we try to not do 380 00:13:20,410 --> 00:13:21,789 the umms and ahs, 381 00:13:22,570 --> 00:13:25,049 it's pretty human. Even if Kate cuts it 382 00:13:25,049 --> 00:13:25,950 out for us, 383 00:13:26,649 --> 00:13:28,894 it they're still human. You can you can 384 00:13:28,894 --> 00:13:31,075 feel it in the cadence when somebody's talking. 385 00:13:31,695 --> 00:13:33,235 And then kind of your 386 00:13:33,535 --> 00:13:34,355 your last 387 00:13:35,054 --> 00:13:37,934 thing, here in the outline is letting small 388 00:13:37,934 --> 00:13:40,495 imperfections stay in. You will probably notice that 389 00:13:40,495 --> 00:13:42,610 Kate doesn't cut out all of those umms 390 00:13:42,610 --> 00:13:43,269 and ahs 391 00:13:43,570 --> 00:13:44,549 because it's human, 392 00:13:44,929 --> 00:13:45,909 not AI. 393 00:13:47,490 --> 00:13:48,309 Yeah. Exactly. 394 00:13:48,850 --> 00:13:50,230 And because we 395 00:13:51,089 --> 00:13:53,730 told her, you don't have to because it's 396 00:13:53,730 --> 00:13:56,215 gonna sound weird if you take out every 397 00:13:56,215 --> 00:13:57,735 single one of them. You know, we're not 398 00:13:57,735 --> 00:13:58,235 robots. 399 00:13:59,095 --> 00:14:00,794 Yeah. We really aren't. It's, 400 00:14:02,455 --> 00:14:04,615 you gotta trust your gut at some point 401 00:14:04,615 --> 00:14:05,355 as a podcaster. 402 00:14:05,975 --> 00:14:07,035 You really do. 403 00:14:08,860 --> 00:14:11,100 And when you're not doing that anymore, that's 404 00:14:11,100 --> 00:14:14,000 when you stop overthinking. That's when things just 405 00:14:14,059 --> 00:14:16,700 flow out of your out of your mouth 406 00:14:16,700 --> 00:14:17,279 as opposed 407 00:14:17,980 --> 00:14:20,299 to every two seconds. You know, it makes 408 00:14:20,299 --> 00:14:23,200 it easier to record episodes. There's less anxiety 409 00:14:23,259 --> 00:14:25,105 about doing that in general if that is 410 00:14:25,105 --> 00:14:27,044 something that, you know, freaks you out. 411 00:14:30,144 --> 00:14:32,164 Your your gut is maybe undervalued. 412 00:14:33,504 --> 00:14:34,004 Yeah. 413 00:14:34,865 --> 00:14:37,985 Yeah. I I just I tell people because 414 00:14:37,985 --> 00:14:38,884 I've had people 415 00:14:39,264 --> 00:14:39,870 as guests 416 00:14:40,750 --> 00:14:42,350 on shows that I've done, and I'm like, 417 00:14:42,350 --> 00:14:44,110 it's just me and you. Like, don't worry 418 00:14:44,110 --> 00:14:47,149 about the microphone. Don't worry about who's gonna 419 00:14:47,149 --> 00:14:48,750 hear it or what they're gonna say. I 420 00:14:48,750 --> 00:14:50,669 can edit something. If you don't like it, 421 00:14:50,669 --> 00:14:52,210 I'll edit it out. That's fine. 422 00:14:53,230 --> 00:14:55,684 And and you become more confident 423 00:14:56,225 --> 00:14:58,544 the more you do it. Like, that's that 424 00:14:58,544 --> 00:15:00,485 is kind of the core of this episode 425 00:15:00,544 --> 00:15:01,044 is 426 00:15:01,424 --> 00:15:02,945 I can tell you how far away you 427 00:15:02,945 --> 00:15:04,164 should be from a microphone, 428 00:15:04,704 --> 00:15:06,565 but it doesn't actually improve 429 00:15:07,750 --> 00:15:08,730 what you're delivering. 430 00:15:09,350 --> 00:15:09,850 Yeah. 431 00:15:10,870 --> 00:15:11,930 Yeah. It's 432 00:15:12,550 --> 00:15:14,889 practice makes perfect. And Mhmm. 433 00:15:15,430 --> 00:15:17,590 You know, perfect is ever evolving and from 434 00:15:17,590 --> 00:15:18,790 person to person. But, 435 00:15:19,830 --> 00:15:21,210 we just want you to 436 00:15:22,134 --> 00:15:23,514 be happy as a podcaster. 437 00:15:24,214 --> 00:15:24,714 Yeah. 438 00:15:25,095 --> 00:15:26,875 It shouldn't be a stressful thing. 439 00:15:27,574 --> 00:15:29,815 No. There is there is gonna be some 440 00:15:29,815 --> 00:15:33,574 stress involved that is every facet of life 441 00:15:33,574 --> 00:15:35,434 at one point or another. You know? 442 00:15:37,129 --> 00:15:39,470 But that shouldn't be the main thing. The 443 00:15:40,730 --> 00:15:42,110 the focusing on, 444 00:15:42,490 --> 00:15:44,029 oh my god. I feel like 445 00:15:44,970 --> 00:15:47,289 I can't do this or I'm not cut 446 00:15:47,289 --> 00:15:49,470 out for this or, you know, 447 00:15:50,174 --> 00:15:52,195 it's there's a difference between 448 00:15:52,975 --> 00:15:53,475 having 449 00:15:55,455 --> 00:15:57,235 low confidence as a new podcaster 450 00:15:57,615 --> 00:16:00,434 and still doubting yourself, you know, 451 00:16:00,975 --> 00:16:02,115 six years in. 452 00:16:03,690 --> 00:16:05,309 You gotta let go sometimes. 453 00:16:06,970 --> 00:16:07,870 Yeah. And 454 00:16:08,490 --> 00:16:10,990 here's a here's a trick for you. 455 00:16:11,529 --> 00:16:13,529 If you're recording by yourself or even if 456 00:16:13,529 --> 00:16:16,125 you're recording with other people, just stop and 457 00:16:16,205 --> 00:16:18,684 do it over again. We've done that. It's 458 00:16:18,684 --> 00:16:19,585 so easy. 459 00:16:20,684 --> 00:16:22,524 Just like, I messed that up. Let me 460 00:16:22,524 --> 00:16:25,485 just redo that. We'll we'll we'll cut it 461 00:16:25,485 --> 00:16:27,804 out and replace it. No worries. And that's 462 00:16:27,804 --> 00:16:29,804 also a confidence booster because you can be 463 00:16:29,804 --> 00:16:31,985 like, okay. I know where I messed up, 464 00:16:32,179 --> 00:16:33,879 So now I'm gonna try again. 465 00:16:34,659 --> 00:16:37,139 And, like, that just do that. It doesn't 466 00:16:37,139 --> 00:16:39,220 have to be perfect on the first take. 467 00:16:39,220 --> 00:16:41,240 If it is, great. If not, 468 00:16:41,779 --> 00:16:43,720 just do it again. Move forward. 469 00:16:44,339 --> 00:16:47,605 Don't overthink it. Don't second guess, and trust 470 00:16:47,605 --> 00:16:48,985 your gut. Yeah. 471 00:16:49,285 --> 00:16:49,785 You 472 00:16:50,165 --> 00:16:51,945 know, there's a there's also something 473 00:16:52,565 --> 00:16:53,065 that 474 00:16:54,325 --> 00:16:56,085 I was doing the other day with some 475 00:16:56,085 --> 00:16:58,004 friends, and I was like, oh, this might 476 00:16:58,004 --> 00:16:58,904 help some people. 477 00:16:59,445 --> 00:17:02,029 I just send my friends voice notes. Like, 478 00:17:02,029 --> 00:17:04,909 we there's there's, like, a handful of friends 479 00:17:04,909 --> 00:17:05,650 that, like, 480 00:17:06,190 --> 00:17:08,690 especially if there's, you know, 481 00:17:09,309 --> 00:17:10,289 we're just, like, 482 00:17:10,669 --> 00:17:12,369 hey, I need a life update. 483 00:17:13,069 --> 00:17:14,909 I'm just gonna send you guys a ninety 484 00:17:14,909 --> 00:17:16,909 second voice note as opposed to typing all 485 00:17:16,909 --> 00:17:19,444 of this out because, like, also, you know, 486 00:17:19,444 --> 00:17:21,304 my friend lives a thousand miles away. 487 00:17:21,684 --> 00:17:23,125 I wanna hear their voice every once in 488 00:17:23,125 --> 00:17:25,384 a while. That's not necessarily a phone call. 489 00:17:26,244 --> 00:17:28,804 Yeah. That might be good for for people 490 00:17:28,804 --> 00:17:30,024 to do as a podcaster. 491 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,319 That's actually really cool. I had never thought 492 00:17:33,319 --> 00:17:36,039 about that at all. It's just fun. I'm 493 00:17:36,039 --> 00:17:37,640 like, okay. I have a lot of information 494 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:39,159 to tell, and I could, 495 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,839 just word vomit this in a fun way 496 00:17:42,839 --> 00:17:44,940 as opposed to trying to type this out. 497 00:17:45,894 --> 00:17:48,454 So give it a try. Yeah. Yeah. And 498 00:17:48,454 --> 00:17:50,454 then and then it's not misconstrued by, what 499 00:17:50,454 --> 00:17:52,134 do you mean this thing that you said 500 00:17:52,134 --> 00:17:54,134 that I took it way more personally than 501 00:17:54,134 --> 00:17:56,075 I should have? Yeah. Exactly. 502 00:17:56,855 --> 00:17:59,174 Exactly. So just a fun little thing that 503 00:17:59,174 --> 00:18:00,990 you might wanna try. But if you are 504 00:18:01,630 --> 00:18:04,910 overall struggling with confidence in your podcast, you 505 00:18:04,910 --> 00:18:08,109 are not behind, you're probably just early in 506 00:18:08,109 --> 00:18:09,970 the process of your podcast. 507 00:18:10,829 --> 00:18:13,549 Yeah. So just keep recording. Keep refining. Keep 508 00:18:13,549 --> 00:18:16,974 improving. Just keep on keeping on. Yeah. Remember, 509 00:18:16,974 --> 00:18:18,974 the goal is not to sound perfect. We 510 00:18:18,974 --> 00:18:20,894 did not sound perfect in this episode, but 511 00:18:20,894 --> 00:18:23,394 we hope that we did sound clear, helpful, 512 00:18:24,015 --> 00:18:24,835 and genuine. 513 00:18:25,775 --> 00:18:26,755 For sure. 514 00:18:27,214 --> 00:18:29,394 So thanks so much for listening to Podcast 515 00:18:29,454 --> 00:18:29,954 Insider. 516 00:18:30,335 --> 00:18:31,875 We will see you next week. 517 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,559 Thanks for joining us. 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