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Welcome back to Podcast Insider. I'm Mackenzie Bennett,

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director of marketing here at Blueberry.

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And I'm Erin Hope, graphic designer on the

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Blueberry team. And today, we're talking about something

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every podcaster has, whether they thought about it

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or not,

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the brand.

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When people hear about branding, they usually think

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about just their artwork or their logo or

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something, but your podcast brand is a lot

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bigger than just those two things. It's how

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your show looks, how it sounds, how it

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feels,

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and it's the first impression someone gets when

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they see your podcast in an app, and

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it plays a huge role in whether they

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hit play or keep scrolling.

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So today, we're gonna break down what podcast

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branding actually means, why it matters, and how

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to stand out with purpose and personality,

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and all of that without feeling like you

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have to copy what everyone else is doing.

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You're listening to Podcast Insider hosted by Mike

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Dell, Dave Clements, and Mackenzie Bennett from the

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Blueberry team,

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bringing you weekly insights, advice, and insider tips

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and tricks to help you start, grow, and

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thrive through podcasting

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with all the support of your team here

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at Blueberry Podcasting.

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Welcome.

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Let's dive in.

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Your podcast brand is your story that you're

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telling before a listener even hears your voice.

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It's built through your artwork, your title, your

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descriptions,

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and the tone you use everywhere your show

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shows up.

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It's definitely how people perceive you. That is

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very true. It's definitely more than just your

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artwork. It's the cover art is important. Don't

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get me wrong, but it's it's really just

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that first piece. Yeah. And as we know,

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every company has some sort of branding, some

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sort of look and feel, some sort

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of experience, or I guess what the kids

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are now saying, some sort of vibe Yes.

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that you have that makes you stand out

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from other people and other company.

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This encompasses

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your cover art, your show name, the titles

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that you make, the descriptions that you write,

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how you introduce yourself.

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All of that is the overall brand. I

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mean, we had a brand redo a couple

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years ago. We did this podcast

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itself has changed names

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numerous times over the years. The people on

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the show, the topics, all of it.

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But every time, we just do

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some changes

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to the branding for basically

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the same type of podcast

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show, but it's it's all of those elements

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are working together for what we think the

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podcast needs right now. We want it to

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feel intentional and still trustworthy from the BluBrary

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brand. Right. It is a puzzle and the

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cover art is just one piece of the

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puzzle. But much much like a puzzle, you're

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not gonna have it all figured out when

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you dump it out on the table.

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Like, you and it really is up to

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the person and that's kind of where the

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artistry comes in to the brand or the

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creativity

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of you put these pieces together in a

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way that makes you feel like this is

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me, this is my show versus

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trying to put the pieces together to make

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to make your show look like someone else's

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show.

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So out of all of the elements in

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this puzzle, what is the framework? What, like,

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the framework? What you finish what you do

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cover art for sure, because that is the

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thing that's going to show up every single

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place your show is no matter

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whether when what podcast app,

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social media, YouTube.

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see visually about your show is that cover

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art.

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are listening to you somehow,

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not just through speakers that someone else chose,

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they're gonna see your artwork one way or

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and episode images and just, like, having more

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imagery.

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a asset in the podcasting industry,

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that's even need for more visuals and now

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videos as well.

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Yes. I am, of course, going to shout

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out Not Another D and D podcast, one

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of my favorites.

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What's so great about them is that they

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have an artist on their team, like, on

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their show, and so all of their stuff

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was easily able to be branded

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and, like, colorized. Like, they're known for this

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red background with, like, more of a gold

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kind of symbol for their podcast show. And

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you do go to their website, same colors.

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go to their Facebook, Instagram, anywhere on social

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media, the exact same colors. Once you have

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it recognized in your brain and you see

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it other places, you're going to know immediately

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within seconds,

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this is this show, this is what it's

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about, and this is what I've been looking

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for. Yeah. The consistency really builds that recognition

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for you. It's the all of the cues

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associated to your brand, but specifically

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visual have have a very memorable

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way of helping your show. I I mean,

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week. She's starting out her small business.

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This has nothing to do with podcasting, just

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branding in general. And she was like, yeah.

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I don't know what I'm doing marketing wise.

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who knows what they're talking about, and she

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that I have too many different colors and

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fonts.

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a solid primary color.

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the color you're going to see everywhere.

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in a way that they're not clashing, but

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they are complementary and helping each other stand

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out even more. And then anything beyond that,

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you you really need to know what you're

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doing. But just having two solid colors

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and, like, maybe two one or two solid

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fonts, and you already have a pretty good

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basis for a brand. So it's just about,

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can we know we've seen countless iterations.

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is probably gonna look and feel different than,

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say, Podcast Insider, a podcast about podcasting.

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they're still different. They just are. So that

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branding should really set the expectations,

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it is about that consistency because it is

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this pattern of recognition

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that your audience will come to be familiar

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with. So using those consistent colors, using those

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fonts, using

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specific language and tones that your listeners, again,

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immediately recognize within seconds, whether they see it

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memorable. And I believe in advertising,

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you need to see an ad three times

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in order to remember it. So just imagine

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people going to three different

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platforms Mhmm. And seeing your brand there. Like,

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it should look the same. The color should

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be the same. The font should be the

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same. And if they get to all three

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you're gonna be more memorable to that listener.

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just just based on the amount of content

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that we see every single day.

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gonna be remembered.

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Erin, that's to put too much pressure on

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you, but I think graphic designers don't get

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enough credit for

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for what they can really pull together.

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and saying, this is kinda something, like, along

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the lines that I would wanna go with.

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deciding these are my like, having someone else

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that is trained in order to see these

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an insight that the average person may not

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know because they haven't taken design classes, taken

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branding classes, branding one zero one, one zero

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with a Pinterest board Mhmm. Because it's very

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easy to just pull things in there, start

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to get it all together, and then look

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at it like, oh, do you have a

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bunch of colors on this Pinterest board? Do

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you have a bunch of different tones?

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ones do you want your audience to be

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more reactive to? And once again, which ones

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align with your personality? Stop trying to be

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everything to everyone. And it's like, who am

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I? What on this board speaks to me?

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reference board,

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then you can really start to be like,

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okay. How do I condense all this down

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into one cover art, a couple colors, and

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things like that? And it's also, what are

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you drawn to? That doesn't necessarily mean to

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follow a trend. But it's definitely something we

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all fall into. Don't get me wrong. And

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and trends are fine. Things change over years,

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and they go up and down. But no

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one wants to immediately just fall into

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the void of this is what everything else

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follow the trends. Have fun, obviously, and that

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stuff is fun on on social media, but

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you should be the trends.

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Like, you should be the one getting your

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audience excited. The inside jokes, the cat phrases,

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things like that. Like, one thing, like, it

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should really have your personality kind of stamped

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all over it. And when you are part

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of trends, it especially nowadays because we see

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them all the time. Mhmm. People who recognize

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the patterns would be like, oh, you're just

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doing this because it's trendy. You're just doing

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this because it's popular versus doing something that

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feels authentic

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to your show and your voice.

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Yeah. Exactly.

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You, yourself, and your podcast, the content that

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you're creating should be the trend, and trends

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come around because people had an original idea

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at some point or another.

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They live and breathe, and they're always changing,

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and and so are people.

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Yeah. And we always say consistent authenticity

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is always going

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to carry your show farther than one viral

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moment.

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Yeah.

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Focusing on that viral moment, potentially gonna be

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your downfall. You keep chasing and chasing and

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chasing. It means nothing.

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But what happens when

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you need to refresh your podcast brand? I

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mean, we've I've said earlier, we've done that

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with the show multiple times. So there's kind

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of a list of things that maybe you

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should do. I feel like a good time

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to to evolve the brand is when the

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brand is evolving, basically. Like you like McKenzie

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said, if there's a different cast change,

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maybe get like a new sponsor or something,

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your show is growing and that brand will

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grow

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with it. And it really is about not

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forcing it and because we're like kind of

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more going into

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video media, video show I mean, TV shows,

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they change their brand pretty much every single

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season. Yeah. New new headshot, maybe same font,

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different colors, things like that. But, you know,

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for podcasting, it's in this weird space. At

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least for me, I'm like, you need to

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be I I go by high school rules,

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whereas, like, that freshman that went to that

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high school and that senior that comes out

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of that high school, they have two completely

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different brands. Yeah. Because it's been four four

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years of growth, four years of learning, four

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years of knowledge.

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So once you've kind of reached the point

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where you look at your artwork and you're

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like, oh, I'm not really this person anymore.

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I'm not really this vibe anymore. It's kind

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of grown, kind of matured.

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Then it might be time to talk about,

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okay, how do I make sure the brand

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is still reflecting my new kind of outlook,

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my new perspective and things like that. So

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that's when I think, okay, now it's a

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good time to maybe switch up the brand.

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And it doesn't even have to be anything

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like huge. One of my favorites for 99%

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Invisible is articles of interest and it was

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just kind of like this side podcast

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where they would go into like

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different articles of clothing, like how did suits

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become popular, how did perfume become popular, like

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why is the wedding dress the wedding dress

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kind of thing. And it was so popular

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that it be kinda became its own show

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and then one, it had to make its

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own brand

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away from 99% invisible. And then as the

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show started to grow and they started to

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expand what kind of items they talk about,

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they just had a nice soft refresh of,

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like, just making the cover art a little

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bit more bolder, a little bit more eye

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catching

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versus

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the original kind of cover art they had

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made for the show intentionally.

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Yeah.

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I

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vaguely remember listening

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to those episodes

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of that show and hearing them say, people

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know what jeans we're gonna be wearing five

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years from now

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and and those predictions.

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And I wonder what podcast artwork is gonna

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look like in five years. I feel like

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someone probably knows.

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I don't. But I feel like things have

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been kinda, like, color blocky for a while,

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and I'm getting over it. Very similar to

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the romcom book covers

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that are all, like, animated. Yes. They all

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look exactly the same, and they have for

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the past, like, six years or so. Don't

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get me wrong. I feel like

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we needed to get away from what it

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was before, but I am so over what

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it is right

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now. The color block on the left side,

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the picture of the host on the right

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side,

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a brightly colored

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name title at the top, something like that.

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Like, I'm kinda I'm kinda over that one.

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And then the true crime Dateline ish one

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Yeah. Where it's like Yeah. The woods

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and then a kinda spooky font over it.

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Something like that. Like, I have seen I

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have seen them all at this point.

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Yes. And I would say that definitely is,

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like, a good place to start is looking

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within your genre

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of your podcast and just seeing, like, what

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all the other shows are doing. And it's,

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oh, okay. There there might be some patterns

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of commonality, which makes sense you guys are

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going after the same audience. But how do

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you make sure you stand out? Because in

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a lot of these podcast apps, like, it's

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a grid and it's your show

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with, like, six, seven, eight other shows all

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at once. And it's, like, how do you

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how can you make sure your show stands

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out just a little bit more than all

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these other shows?

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Yeah. Exactly.

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It's how do you how do you keep

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yourself happy,

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but also

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stick out in the podcast industry.

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Yeah. And I think it really goes out

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to what's the one thing that your show

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has that these other shows do not have,

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your

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personality.

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So if I use the example of take

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GoodHang with Amy Poehler Mhmm. And take Call

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Her Daddy with Alex whose last name is

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I'm blanking on right now. But, anyway, Amy

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and Alex, two blonde women. They have a

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show. They have guests come in. They talk

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and chat with the guests. Mhmm. Amy's show

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feels more like a, oh, I just ran

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into Amy at the coffee shop. We ran

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lines together. We started chit chatting, catching up.

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Oh, let's go sit down on a bench

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outside the coffee shop because it's a little

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bit loud in here. And we really wanna

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catch up. I'm like, what's been going on?

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How are you? How are the kids? X

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y z. Very wholesome,

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very family friendly,

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and even her cover art kind of exemplifies

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that. Oh, she's just, like, in this nice

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sitting

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sitting position,

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smiling at the person she's talking to next

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to her, nice cozy sweater,

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nice

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exciting background of triangles kind of at least

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at this point, nice background of triangles, like,

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behind her. So it's just very, very nice,

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very wholesome, very warming. Then you get someone

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that call her daddy.

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We're at a bar.

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Yeah. We've maybe had one too many cocktails

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and we're really getting into the nitty you

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know what grinds my gears? You know what

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I you know what I wanna go off

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about? You know what I really wanna talk

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about? We're really getting into the real versus

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like the nice fulsome conversation I'm having with

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Amy. I'm really dishing with Alex. So here's

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really

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he wants a couple of drinks, the filter's

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a little bit skewed. So it's like I'm

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really letting a little bit more out then.

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And sure it may get a little risque,

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but, you know, we're at a bar. Like,

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we're chilling. We're just having a chat, like,

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with two grown adults around other adults. So

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That's the listener. Conversation. Yeah. Exactly.

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Yeah. I think those are two great examples

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of these Once again.

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Could be the same people, but they are

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very different.

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Yeah. Very different brands, very different personalities.

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Yeah.

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Alright. We will have if anyone wants to

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see

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these examples, they will be in the show

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notes.

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But we want you to know that

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your podcast brand should be intentional and not

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accidental.

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That's the main goal that we have with

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this episode today.

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Yes. When your your visuals, your messaging,

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your tone, it all points in the same

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direction. It all

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feels like you.

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It becomes easier for the right listeners to

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find you, trust you, and then stick around.

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And that's how that audience, especially that loyal

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audience,

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will really start to build.

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Yeah. For sure. You don't have to spend

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a whole bunch of money on this. You

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don't have to do a full rebrand. You

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can go as far

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as you want with this, but

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we hope that all of this

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helps you come up with a brand that

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truly reflects your purpose and personality.

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Yes. And if you always need help bringing

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that all together, the Blu ray team is

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always here to support you. We are podcasters

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or podcast listeners, so we always are

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seeing our work, seeing brands, new shows,

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huge shows, small shows. Like, we

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yeah. We've seen it all. I also love

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to critique.

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If you ask me my opinion, I'll give

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it to you. So if you're looking

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for a very real opinion, I'm happy to

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give that.

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I come from the design world, so you

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ask my opinion. It it will be

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it's not brutal, but, like, you're

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we're not sugar coating it here. This is

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the sugar we left the sugar at the

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door. Yes. Like, we're here to really get

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into you want me to tell you how

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I feel about this? Let me tell you

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how I feel about this.

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Alright. Thanks, everyone. This is Podcast Insider. We'll

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