1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,040 Welcome to Podcast Insider. I hope everybody had 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,759 a good holiday weekend here in The US. 3 00:00:05,759 --> 00:00:07,859 It was fourth of July weekend. 4 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:10,080 And today, we got a special episode. I'm 5 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:11,699 gonna have Michelle Aronson 6 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:12,500 from 7 00:00:12,884 --> 00:00:15,705 True Stories at Work. She's our podcaster 8 00:00:16,085 --> 00:00:18,644 of the month here at Blueberry. So without 9 00:00:18,644 --> 00:00:21,304 further ado, let's, get to the interview. 10 00:00:22,405 --> 00:00:25,364 You're listening to Podcast Insider hosted by Mike 11 00:00:25,364 --> 00:00:28,629 Dell, Todd Cochran, and Mackenzie Bennett from the 12 00:00:28,629 --> 00:00:29,690 Blueberry team, 13 00:00:30,469 --> 00:00:33,829 bringing you weekly insights, advice, and insider tips 14 00:00:33,829 --> 00:00:36,950 and tricks to help you start, grow, and 15 00:00:36,950 --> 00:00:38,329 thrive through podcasting. 16 00:00:39,174 --> 00:00:40,934 With all the support of your team here 17 00:00:40,934 --> 00:00:42,314 at Blueberry Podcasting, 18 00:00:42,695 --> 00:00:44,314 welcome. Let's dive in. 19 00:00:45,335 --> 00:00:48,375 Michelle, thanks for being on Podcast Insider. How 20 00:00:48,375 --> 00:00:50,934 are you doing today? Thanks for having me. 21 00:00:50,934 --> 00:00:51,835 I'm awesome. 22 00:00:52,429 --> 00:00:53,570 So, Michelle 23 00:00:53,950 --> 00:00:56,990 Aronson, she does true stories at work and, 24 00:00:57,310 --> 00:01:00,530 also a proud Blueberry customer. For many years. 25 00:01:01,229 --> 00:01:03,390 Yes. I do remember talking to you, 26 00:01:04,030 --> 00:01:04,849 a few times, 27 00:01:05,230 --> 00:01:07,254 but that's that's not bad. It's good to 28 00:01:07,254 --> 00:01:08,314 get to know people. 29 00:01:08,614 --> 00:01:11,334 So the magic of Blueberry is that when 30 00:01:11,334 --> 00:01:13,174 I had a problem, I could actually talk 31 00:01:13,174 --> 00:01:15,974 to somebody. So I I thanked you even 32 00:01:15,974 --> 00:01:18,295 before I ever, like, met you. So thank 33 00:01:18,295 --> 00:01:19,515 you for all your support. 34 00:01:19,960 --> 00:01:21,719 Very good. And, Mackenzie and I, 35 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:24,620 met Michelle at the, Chicago 36 00:01:25,159 --> 00:01:28,680 Podcast Movement Evolution Show, here a couple months 37 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:29,180 ago, 38 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,659 and Michelle's gonna be our podcaster 39 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:33,020 of the month. 40 00:01:33,385 --> 00:01:34,685 Yay. Woo. 41 00:01:35,384 --> 00:01:36,444 Yeah. There we go. 42 00:01:36,984 --> 00:01:37,384 So, 43 00:01:38,344 --> 00:01:41,064 I always ask these type of questions about, 44 00:01:41,064 --> 00:01:43,224 you know, how did you get started in 45 00:01:43,224 --> 00:01:45,405 podcasting? What was your, motivation? 46 00:01:45,944 --> 00:01:48,024 Well, I'll tell you a quick story that 47 00:01:48,024 --> 00:01:50,280 I was at a silent retreat 48 00:01:50,979 --> 00:01:53,479 and after being silent for a few days, 49 00:01:53,859 --> 00:01:54,359 podcasting 50 00:01:54,739 --> 00:01:57,379 literally popped into my mind. I had not 51 00:01:57,379 --> 00:01:57,879 even 52 00:01:58,420 --> 00:01:59,719 listened to a podcast. 53 00:02:00,260 --> 00:02:00,760 I 54 00:02:01,234 --> 00:02:03,234 had never considered it, but I had always 55 00:02:03,234 --> 00:02:05,795 wanted to collect really good stories from work 56 00:02:05,795 --> 00:02:07,655 and thought I would write a book, 57 00:02:08,034 --> 00:02:08,935 but podcasting 58 00:02:09,314 --> 00:02:10,215 felt more 59 00:02:10,995 --> 00:02:12,834 real. You could hear them in the voice 60 00:02:12,834 --> 00:02:15,449 of the person instead of like reading on 61 00:02:15,449 --> 00:02:16,989 the written page. I also 62 00:02:17,289 --> 00:02:19,129 started to notice that people don't like to 63 00:02:19,129 --> 00:02:19,789 read anymore, 64 00:02:20,729 --> 00:02:22,889 but they do listen to podcasts. So it 65 00:02:22,889 --> 00:02:23,629 was really 66 00:02:24,009 --> 00:02:25,229 just being like, 67 00:02:26,009 --> 00:02:27,629 you know, pretty still. 68 00:02:28,004 --> 00:02:29,604 And then also just being open to do 69 00:02:29,604 --> 00:02:31,444 it. Cause I'll say it was a little 70 00:02:31,444 --> 00:02:32,344 scary to 71 00:02:33,525 --> 00:02:36,004 consider something like that and going live with 72 00:02:36,004 --> 00:02:37,944 the show and doing all the, 73 00:02:38,405 --> 00:02:40,965 like, getting through all the technical hurdles, but 74 00:02:40,965 --> 00:02:43,384 I love it and just love to 75 00:02:43,900 --> 00:02:46,939 collect people's great stories from work. So How 76 00:02:46,939 --> 00:02:48,240 long have you been podcasting? 77 00:02:48,620 --> 00:02:51,340 Two or three years. I don't count. But, 78 00:02:51,580 --> 00:02:53,180 I think I'm in my middle of my 79 00:02:53,180 --> 00:02:54,000 second year. 80 00:02:54,379 --> 00:02:56,379 Wow. Very good. We've been at it a 81 00:02:56,379 --> 00:02:57,020 while. And, 82 00:02:57,564 --> 00:02:59,485 and, like I said, when you first started, 83 00:02:59,485 --> 00:03:01,164 we we helped you out a bit. And 84 00:03:01,164 --> 00:03:01,664 then, 85 00:03:02,284 --> 00:03:04,465 after that, we don't hear from you anymore. 86 00:03:05,004 --> 00:03:07,405 And that's probably, I would imagine, a bit 87 00:03:07,405 --> 00:03:09,645 of a customer journey for all brand new 88 00:03:09,645 --> 00:03:10,145 podcasters. 89 00:03:10,469 --> 00:03:11,909 Right? They need a lot of support in 90 00:03:11,909 --> 00:03:13,669 the beginning, and once they get the hand 91 00:03:13,669 --> 00:03:14,789 of it, they can do it on their 92 00:03:14,789 --> 00:03:15,849 own. That's beautiful. 93 00:03:16,150 --> 00:03:18,069 Yeah. And, you know, it's not as scary 94 00:03:18,069 --> 00:03:19,129 as people think. 95 00:03:19,590 --> 00:03:21,930 You get a few of the basic technical 96 00:03:21,989 --> 00:03:23,625 stuff out of the way, and then it's 97 00:03:23,625 --> 00:03:26,604 just make your content, rinse and repeat, and, 98 00:03:26,985 --> 00:03:28,444 you know, promote, promote, promote. 99 00:03:28,985 --> 00:03:32,025 Have you, ever run into anything that, because 100 00:03:32,025 --> 00:03:35,305 of your podcast, you're now doing this other 101 00:03:35,305 --> 00:03:36,264 thing or, 102 00:03:36,585 --> 00:03:39,324 anything cool happening because you podcast? 103 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:41,700 I have a coaching 104 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:43,139 strategy business. 105 00:03:43,439 --> 00:03:44,900 Helping small businesses 106 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:45,780 really 107 00:03:46,319 --> 00:03:47,939 build in their 108 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:49,620 culture, their values, 109 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:51,615 be a place that people want to work. 110 00:03:51,694 --> 00:03:54,415 So that is what I do. Podcasting is 111 00:03:54,415 --> 00:03:56,895 for fun. So I've always really considered them 112 00:03:56,895 --> 00:03:57,794 very separate. 113 00:03:58,094 --> 00:04:00,094 Well, I had a gentleman reach out to 114 00:04:00,094 --> 00:04:02,415 me who wanted me to do some coaching 115 00:04:02,415 --> 00:04:02,974 for his, 116 00:04:03,455 --> 00:04:03,955 CEO. 117 00:04:05,139 --> 00:04:07,560 And when he introduced me to his CEO, 118 00:04:07,860 --> 00:04:08,519 he wrote, 119 00:04:09,060 --> 00:04:12,099 Hey, Michelle is a podcaster and then put 120 00:04:12,099 --> 00:04:13,319 the other stuff second. 121 00:04:13,780 --> 00:04:15,400 And my heart really went 122 00:04:16,019 --> 00:04:18,439 like big because I had never been introduced 123 00:04:18,500 --> 00:04:19,319 as a podcaster 124 00:04:19,699 --> 00:04:22,414 first. So it was, it was really funny. 125 00:04:22,414 --> 00:04:24,274 I guess he had listened to my show. 126 00:04:24,495 --> 00:04:26,894 He must've liked what he heard and then 127 00:04:26,894 --> 00:04:27,694 ended up, 128 00:04:28,414 --> 00:04:30,735 just, you know, reaching out to me for 129 00:04:30,735 --> 00:04:32,574 the business. So that was the one. And 130 00:04:32,574 --> 00:04:34,914 I did tell him I was really flattered 131 00:04:34,974 --> 00:04:35,474 because 132 00:04:35,970 --> 00:04:38,069 I consider myself sort of a 133 00:04:38,610 --> 00:04:42,129 HR professional teacher first, podcaster on the side, 134 00:04:42,129 --> 00:04:42,629 but, 135 00:04:43,250 --> 00:04:45,910 he kinda flipped that script for me. Okay. 136 00:04:46,210 --> 00:04:48,764 Now the tone of your show, is it, 137 00:04:49,004 --> 00:04:53,004 the stories, are they sometimes comical or is 138 00:04:53,004 --> 00:04:55,485 that the focus? What do you focus on 139 00:04:55,485 --> 00:04:56,545 as a good story? 140 00:04:56,925 --> 00:05:00,305 Well, Mike, obviously you never worked in HR 141 00:05:00,444 --> 00:05:03,105 because anybody who has ever worked in HR 142 00:05:03,509 --> 00:05:05,849 knows exactly what they're about. They're about 143 00:05:06,229 --> 00:05:07,449 sometimes they're funny. 144 00:05:07,829 --> 00:05:08,889 Sometimes they're heartbreaking. 145 00:05:09,189 --> 00:05:10,569 Sometimes they're disgusting. 146 00:05:10,949 --> 00:05:14,409 Like it's how people behave in the workplace. 147 00:05:14,709 --> 00:05:15,110 And, 148 00:05:16,004 --> 00:05:18,504 I interview HR people who have to investigate 149 00:05:18,725 --> 00:05:19,545 things like 150 00:05:20,165 --> 00:05:21,145 sex at work, 151 00:05:21,764 --> 00:05:24,965 people doing very strange, passive aggressive behaviors at 152 00:05:24,965 --> 00:05:25,465 work, 153 00:05:26,245 --> 00:05:28,324 like poop. I'm just going to say the 154 00:05:28,324 --> 00:05:29,145 word poop. 155 00:05:30,089 --> 00:05:32,110 You know, all sorts of things, 156 00:05:32,649 --> 00:05:34,970 affairs, you know, that comes up a lot. 157 00:05:34,970 --> 00:05:35,470 People, 158 00:05:36,569 --> 00:05:38,569 just sort of doing things that they do 159 00:05:38,569 --> 00:05:40,089 when they're human, but they take it into 160 00:05:40,089 --> 00:05:40,990 work and then 161 00:05:41,545 --> 00:05:44,264 it has to be investigated. And that's sort 162 00:05:44,264 --> 00:05:46,025 of the when people say, I don't know 163 00:05:46,025 --> 00:05:49,004 what HR does. I do. And, you know, 164 00:05:49,545 --> 00:05:51,545 Yeah. I really don't know what you're interesting 165 00:05:51,545 --> 00:05:53,725 than you think. Yeah. I would imagine. 166 00:05:54,389 --> 00:05:55,990 Mhmm. Like I said, I I don't have 167 00:05:55,990 --> 00:05:57,669 to deal too much with that. I I 168 00:05:57,669 --> 00:05:58,169 do 169 00:05:58,709 --> 00:06:00,949 hire people once in a while and that 170 00:06:00,949 --> 00:06:03,430 kind of thing, but, yeah, definitely not in 171 00:06:03,430 --> 00:06:05,529 the nitty gritty of HR and 172 00:06:06,310 --> 00:06:08,754 being that we're a pretty small company. We 173 00:06:08,754 --> 00:06:10,595 don't have a lot of those issues, at 174 00:06:10,595 --> 00:06:12,754 least. Mhmm. I have to That you know 175 00:06:12,754 --> 00:06:14,915 about that you know about. I'm just gonna 176 00:06:14,915 --> 00:06:17,475 say, I know small companies that have big 177 00:06:17,475 --> 00:06:20,275 problems. I've worked with them. So, it it 178 00:06:20,355 --> 00:06:21,990 For sure. You know, where ever you have 179 00:06:21,990 --> 00:06:22,550 people, I, 180 00:06:23,430 --> 00:06:24,949 I did have an I have had a 181 00:06:24,949 --> 00:06:27,110 couple of employment attorneys on the show and 182 00:06:27,110 --> 00:06:28,169 they just get them 183 00:06:28,470 --> 00:06:30,069 over and over and over again. And so 184 00:06:30,069 --> 00:06:31,129 their stories are, 185 00:06:31,909 --> 00:06:33,829 really funny, but it doesn't matter the size 186 00:06:33,829 --> 00:06:35,669 of your company. Sometimes it can be three 187 00:06:35,669 --> 00:06:36,810 people and something 188 00:06:37,264 --> 00:06:38,944 very unusual happens, but, 189 00:06:39,425 --> 00:06:41,205 typically, there's no HR person 190 00:06:41,824 --> 00:06:44,145 at that size. So Yeah. We we have 191 00:06:44,145 --> 00:06:46,384 a a a guy that he's he's one 192 00:06:46,384 --> 00:06:48,305 of the owners, and he takes care of 193 00:06:48,305 --> 00:06:50,785 the HR stuff, and he's pretty good at 194 00:06:50,785 --> 00:06:51,605 it. So 195 00:06:51,930 --> 00:06:53,149 shout out to Barry. 196 00:06:54,569 --> 00:06:57,129 Bless you, Barry. I'm sure I'm sure you 197 00:06:57,129 --> 00:06:59,449 wanna call me because nobody wants to take 198 00:06:59,449 --> 00:07:00,830 care of some of that stuff. 199 00:07:01,290 --> 00:07:02,670 Right. For sure. 200 00:07:03,129 --> 00:07:06,029 For sure. Yeah. So, what's a a standout 201 00:07:06,170 --> 00:07:08,794 story that you care to share here on, 202 00:07:08,875 --> 00:07:10,634 by the way? Oh my gosh. I'm trying 203 00:07:10,634 --> 00:07:12,235 to think of my favorite. There are so 204 00:07:12,235 --> 00:07:14,735 many it's honestly hard to choose, but there's 205 00:07:15,194 --> 00:07:17,035 some of them are just funny. So my, 206 00:07:17,035 --> 00:07:17,935 one of my 207 00:07:18,394 --> 00:07:18,894 interviews, 208 00:07:19,354 --> 00:07:22,095 a person got terminated. They acted badly. 209 00:07:22,810 --> 00:07:24,889 They got into the elevator where they were 210 00:07:24,889 --> 00:07:27,149 being walked out by the HR person 211 00:07:27,769 --> 00:07:28,269 and 212 00:07:28,569 --> 00:07:30,110 they pulled out a harmonica 213 00:07:30,970 --> 00:07:33,209 and started playing while they went down the 214 00:07:33,209 --> 00:07:35,774 elevator. And they're like, I'm getting fired by 215 00:07:36,014 --> 00:07:37,615 HR. No. No. No. No. No. No. You 216 00:07:37,615 --> 00:07:40,274 know? And they just, like, sang their way 217 00:07:40,415 --> 00:07:42,814 down their termination. So it's a range of 218 00:07:42,814 --> 00:07:45,055 things. There's a lot of really good stories. 219 00:07:45,055 --> 00:07:46,754 So you should Yeah. I think you should 220 00:07:46,814 --> 00:07:48,254 go back and listen to some of my 221 00:07:48,254 --> 00:07:51,084 episodes, Mike. I definitely will. Fascinating. 222 00:07:51,589 --> 00:07:52,730 They definitely will. 223 00:07:53,110 --> 00:07:55,029 That's one of the probably the harder jobs 224 00:07:55,029 --> 00:07:58,150 in HR is, is walking people out or 225 00:07:58,230 --> 00:07:59,449 and, you know, terminations 226 00:07:59,830 --> 00:08:00,490 and whatnot. 227 00:08:01,189 --> 00:08:03,029 Luckily, we haven't had to do that around 228 00:08:03,029 --> 00:08:03,930 here, so, 229 00:08:04,550 --> 00:08:05,610 that's been good. 230 00:08:06,454 --> 00:08:09,334 Yeah. It's hard, and it's also nothing that 231 00:08:09,334 --> 00:08:10,074 you do 232 00:08:10,774 --> 00:08:12,774 with light hard. You know? I mean, it's 233 00:08:12,774 --> 00:08:13,754 always a horrible 234 00:08:14,454 --> 00:08:16,314 experience, I think, for everybody 235 00:08:16,854 --> 00:08:17,834 in the room. 236 00:08:18,389 --> 00:08:20,870 Oh, yeah. For sure. Yes. This this person 237 00:08:20,870 --> 00:08:21,930 apparently found 238 00:08:22,389 --> 00:08:23,209 their harmonica 239 00:08:23,509 --> 00:08:23,990 and, 240 00:08:24,629 --> 00:08:27,529 tried to memorialize it with music and, 241 00:08:28,310 --> 00:08:30,230 which makes for a good story. It wasn't, 242 00:08:30,230 --> 00:08:32,355 you know, probably their best day, but, 243 00:08:32,834 --> 00:08:34,134 quite a good tune, apparently. 244 00:08:34,914 --> 00:08:37,074 Well, yeah. I guess sing sing the blues 245 00:08:37,074 --> 00:08:38,855 in the elevator on the way down. 246 00:08:39,394 --> 00:08:41,794 Right? You're feeling it. You're really feeling the 247 00:08:41,794 --> 00:08:44,034 blues, and so just let it out. So 248 00:08:44,274 --> 00:08:45,414 Yeah. Yeah. So, 249 00:08:46,070 --> 00:08:47,929 yeah, that, that that whole 250 00:08:48,870 --> 00:08:51,830 genre of of podcasting, you know, for, you 251 00:08:51,830 --> 00:08:54,230 know, stuff at work and, you know, HR. 252 00:08:54,230 --> 00:08:55,990 I mean, I'm sure there's other shows out 253 00:08:55,990 --> 00:08:56,490 there, 254 00:08:57,110 --> 00:08:57,610 but, 255 00:08:57,924 --> 00:09:00,404 you know, that just doesn't cross my radar 256 00:09:00,404 --> 00:09:03,125 very often. So, you know Yeah. And I'm 257 00:09:03,125 --> 00:09:05,605 just gonna say most of the HR shows 258 00:09:05,605 --> 00:09:06,904 that I listen to 259 00:09:07,845 --> 00:09:09,384 are, like, information 260 00:09:09,845 --> 00:09:10,904 shows. They're like 261 00:09:11,470 --> 00:09:14,610 like these experts, like talking to you. 262 00:09:14,990 --> 00:09:18,210 And mine is really focused on having 263 00:09:19,309 --> 00:09:22,610 the expertise come through their stories because every 264 00:09:23,389 --> 00:09:23,889 experienced 265 00:09:24,269 --> 00:09:26,269 HR person has had to deal with these 266 00:09:26,269 --> 00:09:28,565 things. And nobody can tell you how to 267 00:09:28,565 --> 00:09:31,144 deal with somebody who, you know, 268 00:09:31,605 --> 00:09:33,764 has sex at work when you're investigating it. 269 00:09:33,764 --> 00:09:35,444 And so just listening to some of these 270 00:09:35,444 --> 00:09:38,105 stories can be a little bit, maybe entertaining, 271 00:09:38,245 --> 00:09:39,144 maybe educational, 272 00:09:40,660 --> 00:09:41,940 you know, but it makes you feel a 273 00:09:41,940 --> 00:09:43,700 little bit less alone and maybe a little 274 00:09:43,700 --> 00:09:46,740 more prepared for something that you never thought 275 00:09:46,740 --> 00:09:49,000 you would have to prepare for. 276 00:09:49,460 --> 00:09:51,700 Yeah. You know? Sounds like, you know, why 277 00:09:51,700 --> 00:09:53,800 I listen to podcasts about podcasting 278 00:09:54,180 --> 00:09:55,560 because it's not 279 00:09:56,634 --> 00:09:58,955 that I need to learn about podcasting is 280 00:09:58,955 --> 00:10:00,554 I just wanna hear how other people are 281 00:10:00,554 --> 00:10:02,315 dealing with the issues that I deal with. 282 00:10:02,315 --> 00:10:04,414 So in your case, that'd be the same 283 00:10:04,794 --> 00:10:05,855 same sort of motivation. 284 00:10:06,154 --> 00:10:07,995 You know, we always say, you know, when 285 00:10:07,995 --> 00:10:09,595 you start a podcast, you have to start 286 00:10:09,595 --> 00:10:10,495 with a goal. 287 00:10:11,799 --> 00:10:13,799 And and then what was your goal? Just, 288 00:10:14,039 --> 00:10:15,019 as a recreational 289 00:10:15,879 --> 00:10:16,779 pursuit or 290 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,360 learning? Couple a couple of things. I mean, 291 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,799 first of all, I wanted to educate. I'm 292 00:10:23,799 --> 00:10:25,934 a teacher. I've been teaching for over fifteen 293 00:10:25,934 --> 00:10:27,235 years, graduate students 294 00:10:27,695 --> 00:10:31,054 when I would tell them content, right? These 295 00:10:31,054 --> 00:10:33,075 students that I'm teaching master's level, 296 00:10:33,774 --> 00:10:35,794 it's night school basically. Right. 297 00:10:36,815 --> 00:10:38,735 I would tell them stories and people would 298 00:10:38,735 --> 00:10:40,095 come up to me years later and say, 299 00:10:40,095 --> 00:10:42,240 I still remember that story. And I thought, 300 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:42,740 oh, 301 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:44,879 such a good way to teach. You know? 302 00:10:44,879 --> 00:10:47,279 And so they weren't bad stories. They were 303 00:10:47,279 --> 00:10:49,460 just examples, like really bringing 304 00:10:49,919 --> 00:10:52,000 the concepts to life. So I think for 305 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,379 me, a part of it was 306 00:10:53,745 --> 00:10:54,485 to inform 307 00:10:54,785 --> 00:10:57,825 a little bit to amuse because that might, 308 00:10:57,825 --> 00:11:00,164 that is by far one of my favorite 309 00:11:00,225 --> 00:11:02,164 parts of HR is really, 310 00:11:02,785 --> 00:11:04,304 I would sit down with a group of 311 00:11:04,304 --> 00:11:06,870 HR executives and be like, tell me your 312 00:11:06,870 --> 00:11:09,509 best story, please. You know, I just want 313 00:11:09,509 --> 00:11:10,410 to hear, because 314 00:11:10,790 --> 00:11:12,490 it's things I can't manufacture. 315 00:11:12,870 --> 00:11:15,590 Right. They're just too good and too real 316 00:11:15,590 --> 00:11:18,490 and all the things. So, well, people are, 317 00:11:19,110 --> 00:11:21,210 interesting and HR is people. 318 00:11:22,084 --> 00:11:22,584 So 319 00:11:23,125 --> 00:11:25,524 very cool. Yeah. One of the attorneys said, 320 00:11:25,524 --> 00:11:26,264 you know, 321 00:11:26,565 --> 00:11:29,204 beware humans at work, you know, it was 322 00:11:29,204 --> 00:11:31,284 kind of like, you know, yes, they're at 323 00:11:31,284 --> 00:11:33,944 work, but they're still humans. And so the, 324 00:11:34,220 --> 00:11:35,740 the good things they do they do at 325 00:11:35,740 --> 00:11:37,259 work and some of the bad things that 326 00:11:37,259 --> 00:11:39,740 they do, they also bring to work. Right. 327 00:11:39,740 --> 00:11:43,820 Well, with Blueberry, you know, since about 2020, 328 00:11:44,620 --> 00:11:45,840 we've been all virtual. 329 00:11:46,504 --> 00:11:47,565 Is there any differences 330 00:11:48,184 --> 00:11:51,464 in doing HR for a virtual company or 331 00:11:51,464 --> 00:11:53,705 for remote workers? I know that's been a 332 00:11:53,705 --> 00:11:56,105 big thing last few years. It's a hot 333 00:11:56,105 --> 00:11:59,725 topic, and people, even in the HR industry, 334 00:11:59,865 --> 00:12:01,565 are completely divided. 335 00:12:02,970 --> 00:12:04,830 Everybody should return to work. 336 00:12:05,210 --> 00:12:07,610 Nobody should return to work. There are people 337 00:12:07,610 --> 00:12:08,350 in the middle 338 00:12:09,049 --> 00:12:11,129 from my perspective. And most of the work 339 00:12:11,129 --> 00:12:13,149 that I really do is around culture. 340 00:12:13,610 --> 00:12:15,850 I think it needs to be driven by 341 00:12:15,850 --> 00:12:17,309 the culture that you want, 342 00:12:17,865 --> 00:12:19,945 the business goals that you have and what 343 00:12:19,945 --> 00:12:21,705 the best way to achieve those are. And 344 00:12:21,705 --> 00:12:23,004 if you can meet 345 00:12:23,384 --> 00:12:26,024 those criteria, you can figure it out and 346 00:12:26,024 --> 00:12:26,524 decide. 347 00:12:26,985 --> 00:12:29,245 Some companies work really well virtually. 348 00:12:30,409 --> 00:12:32,730 During the pandemic I was consulting at a 349 00:12:32,730 --> 00:12:36,009 three d printing startup, so much fun, but 350 00:12:36,009 --> 00:12:38,889 they, they were never going to go virtual 351 00:12:38,889 --> 00:12:41,709 because they're a wet lab, which means like 352 00:12:41,769 --> 00:12:44,524 they're working with like different types of chemicals 353 00:12:44,524 --> 00:12:46,125 and they're building this stuff and they needed 354 00:12:46,125 --> 00:12:48,764 their software team to talk to their technical 355 00:12:48,764 --> 00:12:51,325 team, to talk to their lab team. And 356 00:12:51,325 --> 00:12:52,764 there was never going to be a chance 357 00:12:52,764 --> 00:12:55,004 of, of that kind of stuff happening. So 358 00:12:55,004 --> 00:12:57,004 it really should be driven by, you know, 359 00:12:57,004 --> 00:12:58,625 business and your culture. 360 00:12:59,100 --> 00:13:01,179 Right. Yeah. You know, with with us, we're 361 00:13:01,179 --> 00:13:03,820 a, you know, software company, basically. You know, 362 00:13:03,820 --> 00:13:05,579 you get down to it, software as a 363 00:13:05,579 --> 00:13:08,700 service, and it works out pretty well for 364 00:13:08,700 --> 00:13:10,860 us. Do a lot of Zoom meetings. You 365 00:13:10,860 --> 00:13:13,259 know, like, sometimes some days, I say death 366 00:13:13,259 --> 00:13:14,000 by Zoom. 367 00:13:14,745 --> 00:13:17,465 But, you know, we have a culture that 368 00:13:17,465 --> 00:13:19,705 that works for us. You know? We've got 369 00:13:19,705 --> 00:13:21,404 people scattered about the country, 370 00:13:21,785 --> 00:13:24,365 but managing people like that 371 00:13:25,225 --> 00:13:26,924 is probably a bit of a challenge. 372 00:13:28,670 --> 00:13:31,309 When the whole pandemic happened, that's kind of 373 00:13:31,309 --> 00:13:33,549 how I started my business. I had quit 374 00:13:33,549 --> 00:13:35,070 my job. I had taken a year off. 375 00:13:35,070 --> 00:13:36,370 This was before the pandemic. 376 00:13:37,950 --> 00:13:39,009 I ended up 377 00:13:39,485 --> 00:13:41,325 south by Southwest was canceled. That was going 378 00:13:41,325 --> 00:13:43,245 to be my last year from last trip 379 00:13:43,245 --> 00:13:45,404 from my year off. I ended up locked 380 00:13:45,404 --> 00:13:48,065 in my house unemployed as the pandemic began. 381 00:13:48,205 --> 00:13:50,925 And I called three people who I knew 382 00:13:50,925 --> 00:13:52,445 from HR and said, Hey, what does the 383 00:13:52,445 --> 00:13:54,330 world need? I want to go back to 384 00:13:54,330 --> 00:13:57,070 work. I, you know, I buried my father. 385 00:13:57,210 --> 00:14:00,269 I traveled around, I'm ready to get busy. 386 00:14:00,809 --> 00:14:01,950 And one of them, 387 00:14:02,570 --> 00:14:04,009 was telling me what the world needs. And 388 00:14:04,009 --> 00:14:04,970 I said, I don't want to do any 389 00:14:04,970 --> 00:14:06,826 of that. She She said, what do you 390 00:14:06,826 --> 00:14:08,892 want to do? And I said, well, right 391 00:14:08,892 --> 00:14:10,959 now it feels like we had a lot 392 00:14:10,959 --> 00:14:13,025 of mediocre leaders, like before the pandemic. And 393 00:14:13,025 --> 00:14:15,092 now everybody's at home and they're trying to 394 00:14:15,092 --> 00:14:17,158 lead people virtually. Like I want to put 395 00:14:17,158 --> 00:14:19,970 together a program for like emotional intelligence and 396 00:14:19,970 --> 00:14:21,830 leadership and help them be better 397 00:14:22,290 --> 00:14:23,190 leading virtually. 398 00:14:24,450 --> 00:14:25,970 And you know what? She said, I'll buy 399 00:14:25,970 --> 00:14:28,129 that. And I was like, grabbed a pen. 400 00:14:28,129 --> 00:14:29,809 I was like, what do you want? And 401 00:14:29,809 --> 00:14:31,730 so I, you know, I sort of began 402 00:14:31,730 --> 00:14:33,269 my business very organically 403 00:14:34,115 --> 00:14:36,274 by filling just that need that you're talking 404 00:14:36,274 --> 00:14:37,095 about, which 405 00:14:37,514 --> 00:14:38,014 is 406 00:14:38,434 --> 00:14:41,794 giving people the skills to really communicate in 407 00:14:41,794 --> 00:14:43,875 a meaningful way, even if you're not in 408 00:14:43,875 --> 00:14:44,454 the same 409 00:14:44,914 --> 00:14:46,134 space, you know? 410 00:14:46,629 --> 00:14:49,110 Yeah. Yeah. And we we have periodic meetings, 411 00:14:49,110 --> 00:14:50,870 you know, where we have all hands meetings. 412 00:14:50,870 --> 00:14:53,350 We go somewhere cool and, you know, meet 413 00:14:53,350 --> 00:14:55,429 for two or three days. And, you know, 414 00:14:55,429 --> 00:14:57,110 we do that once a year, and then 415 00:14:57,110 --> 00:14:59,429 we have other little, meetups that usually at 416 00:14:59,429 --> 00:15:01,964 conferences or whatever and, you know, where we 417 00:15:01,964 --> 00:15:04,304 get to see, at least a few people. 418 00:15:05,164 --> 00:15:07,725 And, yeah, it's it's harder to do it 419 00:15:07,725 --> 00:15:10,044 that way. And and with your podcast, you 420 00:15:10,044 --> 00:15:10,945 you know, kinda 421 00:15:12,044 --> 00:15:13,424 I'm sure you've had episodes, 422 00:15:14,365 --> 00:15:15,404 dealing with that, 423 00:15:16,129 --> 00:15:18,769 topic of remote work and and that kind 424 00:15:18,769 --> 00:15:19,429 of thing. 425 00:15:19,889 --> 00:15:21,889 Yeah. People feel very strongly about it. I 426 00:15:21,889 --> 00:15:22,950 had one person, 427 00:15:23,490 --> 00:15:25,269 KL on my show who, 428 00:15:25,889 --> 00:15:28,289 like, really thought, you know, people do not 429 00:15:28,289 --> 00:15:29,815 need to go back to the office. I've 430 00:15:29,815 --> 00:15:31,575 had other people that are like, we're bringing 431 00:15:31,575 --> 00:15:34,875 people back and there is no right answer. 432 00:15:34,934 --> 00:15:36,855 It's kind of like any right answer. I 433 00:15:36,855 --> 00:15:38,075 would be very suspicious 434 00:15:39,414 --> 00:15:41,975 of anybody who gives me a right answer 435 00:15:41,975 --> 00:15:42,475 because 436 00:15:43,389 --> 00:15:46,190 it's very unique to the people that work 437 00:15:46,190 --> 00:15:48,990 there and the, you know, ability for the 438 00:15:48,990 --> 00:15:50,209 leader to be 439 00:15:50,509 --> 00:15:53,149 strong as a leader, leading a virtual team. 440 00:15:53,149 --> 00:15:54,750 It's a whole different skill set, like you 441 00:15:54,750 --> 00:15:58,125 said. Getting back to your podcast, how's the 442 00:15:58,125 --> 00:16:00,684 success been as far as, you know, are 443 00:16:00,684 --> 00:16:01,004 you, 444 00:16:01,644 --> 00:16:03,904 reaching the audience you want to reach? 445 00:16:04,284 --> 00:16:06,924 You still having any challenges and getting the 446 00:16:06,924 --> 00:16:10,299 word out, anything like that? Well, I'm not 447 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,620 very good at the promoting 448 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:16,120 stuff. So I have like this. I mean, 449 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:16,940 I've grown, 450 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,759 You know, in terms of numbers, but I'm 451 00:16:20,759 --> 00:16:21,580 not very 452 00:16:22,125 --> 00:16:24,044 promotional. So I need to work on that. 453 00:16:24,044 --> 00:16:24,625 I mean, 454 00:16:25,004 --> 00:16:27,404 for me, the podcast is an opportunity to 455 00:16:27,404 --> 00:16:30,524 create, to connect and then like learn. And 456 00:16:30,524 --> 00:16:33,245 so I think my next big learning for 457 00:16:33,245 --> 00:16:34,384 this show is 458 00:16:35,009 --> 00:16:36,309 that whole promotional 459 00:16:36,610 --> 00:16:38,870 thing and recycling and not 460 00:16:39,170 --> 00:16:41,570 just literally, I will put out one post 461 00:16:41,570 --> 00:16:43,429 on LinkedIn. Like my show is up. 462 00:16:44,370 --> 00:16:46,929 That's it. I do notice who subscribes because 463 00:16:46,929 --> 00:16:47,990 I kind of will 464 00:16:48,404 --> 00:16:50,245 put the show up and then see how 465 00:16:50,245 --> 00:16:52,644 many people listen and then I'll promote it 466 00:16:52,644 --> 00:16:54,664 maybe a day or two later just to 467 00:16:55,044 --> 00:16:56,824 see how many people are kind of listening 468 00:16:57,204 --> 00:16:59,365 before I put that thing on LinkedIn. So 469 00:16:59,365 --> 00:17:01,684 what do you suggest? Like, tell me your 470 00:17:01,684 --> 00:17:03,600 expert. Like, what do you do for your 471 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,919 show? How do you promote that? Yeah. My 472 00:17:05,919 --> 00:17:08,159 my show my personal show is, 473 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,200 how should I say it? It's long lived, 474 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,519 but, not very listened to. It's because I 475 00:17:13,519 --> 00:17:16,144 don't promote it, really. It's just a a 476 00:17:16,144 --> 00:17:16,644 creative 477 00:17:17,025 --> 00:17:19,105 thing for me, kinda like what you're doing. 478 00:17:19,105 --> 00:17:19,605 But, 479 00:17:20,384 --> 00:17:22,545 but what we say, you know, for promoting, 480 00:17:22,545 --> 00:17:24,625 if you look at our podcast insider, this 481 00:17:24,625 --> 00:17:25,125 podcast, 482 00:17:25,744 --> 00:17:26,804 you know, we do 483 00:17:27,230 --> 00:17:28,609 we'll do short videos 484 00:17:29,390 --> 00:17:31,650 on YouTube and LinkedIn and 485 00:17:32,750 --> 00:17:33,890 where all the places. 486 00:17:34,590 --> 00:17:35,890 And, you know, 487 00:17:36,190 --> 00:17:37,570 as promoting an episode, 488 00:17:37,950 --> 00:17:40,984 we'll take clips from from videos that we 489 00:17:40,984 --> 00:17:43,484 we do of the show, or we'll do 490 00:17:44,345 --> 00:17:46,025 AI generated clips and 491 00:17:46,664 --> 00:17:47,325 you know? 492 00:17:47,625 --> 00:17:49,144 But that kind of thing. And, plus, we 493 00:17:49,144 --> 00:17:51,644 have an unfair advantage. If you're using PowerPress, 494 00:17:51,865 --> 00:17:53,404 we're in the welcome screen, 495 00:17:53,799 --> 00:17:54,539 our episodes, 496 00:17:55,559 --> 00:17:57,180 so that's our unfair advantage. 497 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:00,619 But since we're talking about podcasting, 498 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,320 what a better place to promote it? Promotion 499 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,660 is one of those things. You know, Mackenzie's 500 00:18:05,799 --> 00:18:07,720 more of an expert at that, and she's 501 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,085 my cohost on on the show, usually. 502 00:18:10,944 --> 00:18:13,345 Todd or Mackenzie or all three of us 503 00:18:13,345 --> 00:18:13,845 sometimes. 504 00:18:14,704 --> 00:18:17,025 And, yeah, that that's a hard one, you 505 00:18:17,025 --> 00:18:19,025 know, just getting the word out to the 506 00:18:19,025 --> 00:18:20,704 right people, getting in front of the right 507 00:18:20,704 --> 00:18:22,724 people. Another thing I'd like to do 508 00:18:23,109 --> 00:18:25,769 is get into a a Facebook group 509 00:18:26,230 --> 00:18:29,269 or forums of some sort or Reddit or 510 00:18:29,269 --> 00:18:32,630 whatever about your subject matter, your your genre. 511 00:18:32,630 --> 00:18:34,569 Mhmm. And go in there and be helpful. 512 00:18:34,710 --> 00:18:35,669 Don't go in there and say, hey. I 513 00:18:35,669 --> 00:18:37,289 got a podcast. Check it out. 514 00:18:37,674 --> 00:18:39,275 You know, be in there you know, be 515 00:18:39,275 --> 00:18:41,275 a a member that people start knowing, and 516 00:18:41,275 --> 00:18:43,515 then, you know, say a topic comes up 517 00:18:43,515 --> 00:18:45,515 that you covered in an episode. You say, 518 00:18:45,515 --> 00:18:47,674 hey. I covered this topic in my episode 519 00:18:47,674 --> 00:18:49,535 and send them a link to that episode, 520 00:18:49,595 --> 00:18:51,914 whether it's a two year old episode or 521 00:18:51,914 --> 00:18:53,375 one from the other day. 522 00:18:53,890 --> 00:18:56,049 And, you know, that that kind of builds 523 00:18:56,049 --> 00:18:56,549 your 524 00:18:56,929 --> 00:18:58,549 expertise in that field. 525 00:18:59,809 --> 00:19:01,670 I like that. I like those ideas. 526 00:19:02,049 --> 00:19:04,450 The thing that I I really need to 527 00:19:04,450 --> 00:19:07,349 promote, because this really slows my show's production 528 00:19:07,569 --> 00:19:08,069 down. 529 00:19:08,414 --> 00:19:10,674 I have this segment at the end and 530 00:19:10,975 --> 00:19:13,795 it's really hard to get content for, 531 00:19:14,255 --> 00:19:15,535 but I don't want to give it up 532 00:19:15,535 --> 00:19:17,295 because it's kind of my favorite part of 533 00:19:17,295 --> 00:19:17,875 the show. 534 00:19:18,255 --> 00:19:20,035 It's called workplace confessions. 535 00:19:20,414 --> 00:19:23,740 So people can call in and confess something 536 00:19:23,740 --> 00:19:24,880 they've done at work 537 00:19:25,259 --> 00:19:26,940 that they didn't get caught for. So maybe 538 00:19:26,940 --> 00:19:29,420 they ate their coworkers lunch. Maybe they would 539 00:19:29,420 --> 00:19:32,140 do their back to school shopping in the 540 00:19:32,140 --> 00:19:34,220 little supply cabinet that they had in their 541 00:19:34,220 --> 00:19:34,720 office. 542 00:19:35,244 --> 00:19:37,404 The good news is my best friend was 543 00:19:37,404 --> 00:19:39,964 kind of an office delinquent. And so had 544 00:19:39,964 --> 00:19:42,464 a bunch of episodes for my first, like 545 00:19:42,845 --> 00:19:44,765 eight shows. I really, she goes, oh, I 546 00:19:44,765 --> 00:19:46,224 have more, you know? And, 547 00:19:46,525 --> 00:19:49,005 but, I've promoted it a little bit and 548 00:19:49,005 --> 00:19:51,159 that's really I do like to have them, 549 00:19:51,159 --> 00:19:53,240 so it slows me down in terms of 550 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,299 recruiting. So Well, how often do you podcast? 551 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,399 Like, once a week, once a month? What 552 00:19:58,519 --> 00:20:01,000 what's your cadence? Once a month, I would 553 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:02,599 like to move to every two or three 554 00:20:02,599 --> 00:20:04,460 weeks. So that would be my dream. 555 00:20:04,825 --> 00:20:06,424 I always tell people on this show, and 556 00:20:06,424 --> 00:20:07,865 they've heard it a 100 times. I'm the 557 00:20:07,865 --> 00:20:08,845 king of inconsistency. 558 00:20:09,465 --> 00:20:12,184 Podcast insider goes out every week, my personal 559 00:20:12,184 --> 00:20:14,265 show, you know, whenever I feel like it. 560 00:20:14,265 --> 00:20:15,884 And that's not a great 561 00:20:16,184 --> 00:20:17,725 way to grow a show. 562 00:20:18,460 --> 00:20:19,360 You know? Agreed. Do 563 00:20:19,900 --> 00:20:21,420 as I say, not as I do is, 564 00:20:21,420 --> 00:20:22,860 you know, it's kinda what I say. But, 565 00:20:22,860 --> 00:20:23,680 you know, usually, 566 00:20:24,140 --> 00:20:26,940 weekly is probably the sweet spot. Every two 567 00:20:26,940 --> 00:20:29,440 weeks is good. But be somewhat consistent, 568 00:20:29,980 --> 00:20:31,900 meaning you're gonna do a monthly show, put 569 00:20:31,900 --> 00:20:33,255 it out on the third of the month 570 00:20:33,255 --> 00:20:34,934 or the fifth of the month or whatever 571 00:20:34,934 --> 00:20:37,174 and do that, or the first Tuesday of 572 00:20:37,174 --> 00:20:38,695 the month or something like that. Try to 573 00:20:38,695 --> 00:20:41,335 be consistent because and that's another way to 574 00:20:41,335 --> 00:20:43,815 get feedback. Here's a dirty little secret. If 575 00:20:43,815 --> 00:20:46,855 you're every Friday or every Monday on a 576 00:20:46,855 --> 00:20:48,830 weekly show and you, 577 00:20:49,309 --> 00:20:51,070 don't get it out that day, you're gonna 578 00:20:51,070 --> 00:20:52,670 hear from people. And when you hear from 579 00:20:52,670 --> 00:20:54,589 people, that's a way to get feedback and 580 00:20:54,589 --> 00:20:56,670 getting to know them. Kind of a tricky 581 00:20:56,670 --> 00:20:58,609 way to do it, so delay one once. 582 00:20:59,070 --> 00:21:01,549 Provoke them. Make them mad and get their 583 00:21:01,549 --> 00:21:03,410 feedback. Then you know they care. 584 00:21:03,894 --> 00:21:05,174 But I, you know, I listen to a 585 00:21:05,174 --> 00:21:07,734 couple daily shows, and if it's if they 586 00:21:07,734 --> 00:21:09,734 miss a day, I'm like, where to go? 587 00:21:09,734 --> 00:21:12,174 You know? People build you into their Mhmm. 588 00:21:12,454 --> 00:21:15,174 Routine, especially with a monthly show, you know, 589 00:21:15,174 --> 00:21:17,095 that that's gonna be a little harder to 590 00:21:17,095 --> 00:21:19,335 build into a routine because they've got weekly 591 00:21:19,335 --> 00:21:20,210 routines. That 592 00:21:22,190 --> 00:21:23,029 is good. I need to get on my, 593 00:21:23,029 --> 00:21:24,929 I need to get on my workplace confession. 594 00:21:24,990 --> 00:21:27,029 Cause I have a backlog of episodes, but 595 00:21:27,029 --> 00:21:28,690 I don't have a backlog of 596 00:21:29,149 --> 00:21:31,869 confessions, you know, and I do love that. 597 00:21:31,869 --> 00:21:34,835 So maybe I'll put the commercial in. Good. 598 00:21:34,835 --> 00:21:37,394 Okay. I'll, I'll, I'll send you the link 599 00:21:37,394 --> 00:21:39,234 in, it can be read in a robot 600 00:21:39,234 --> 00:21:40,914 voice. Like I can do all sorts of 601 00:21:40,914 --> 00:21:43,075 things to keep it anonymous. Nobody has to 602 00:21:43,075 --> 00:21:45,234 give me any names. So that would be 603 00:21:45,234 --> 00:21:45,734 amazing. 604 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,639 You know, juvenile delinquents, Mike, is that what 605 00:21:48,639 --> 00:21:49,220 you're saying? 606 00:21:49,879 --> 00:21:50,379 No, 607 00:21:51,039 --> 00:21:52,579 never. Adult delinquents? 608 00:21:53,599 --> 00:21:54,339 Never, never. 609 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,200 So where do people find you? I see 610 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,619 you're using a WordPress site with PowerPress. 611 00:22:00,765 --> 00:22:01,424 The most 612 00:22:01,884 --> 00:22:04,945 amazing WordPress site ever. I have a podcast 613 00:22:05,005 --> 00:22:07,404 website, truestoriesatwork.com. 614 00:22:07,404 --> 00:22:08,144 And then 615 00:22:08,765 --> 00:22:09,265 also 616 00:22:09,565 --> 00:22:11,505 my episodes are listed on my regular 617 00:22:11,884 --> 00:22:15,484 site, my business site, cultureandstrategylab.com. 618 00:22:15,484 --> 00:22:15,984 So 619 00:22:16,529 --> 00:22:18,390 options to be on the show 620 00:22:18,769 --> 00:22:21,410 or submit a workplace confession or just drop 621 00:22:21,410 --> 00:22:22,289 some really good, 622 00:22:23,009 --> 00:22:24,070 workplace wisdom 623 00:22:24,450 --> 00:22:27,750 on us. So lots of opportunities for interaction. 624 00:22:28,304 --> 00:22:29,744 We'll have a link to that in the 625 00:22:29,744 --> 00:22:32,804 show notes over at podcastinsider.com. 626 00:22:33,345 --> 00:22:35,504 Well, anything else we didn't cover that you 627 00:22:35,504 --> 00:22:36,325 wanna cover? 628 00:22:36,625 --> 00:22:39,345 Oh, if you have any workplace stories, what's 629 00:22:39,345 --> 00:22:41,585 the strangest thing that's happened to you in 630 00:22:41,585 --> 00:22:42,244 the workplace? 631 00:22:43,370 --> 00:22:45,049 Oh, I, I would have to, 632 00:22:46,090 --> 00:22:47,789 I'll have to do that on a confessional. 633 00:22:48,570 --> 00:22:51,130 Okay. All right. Perfect. Perfect. I was in 634 00:22:51,130 --> 00:22:53,289 the military. There's all kinds of fun military 635 00:22:53,289 --> 00:22:53,789 stuff. 636 00:22:54,170 --> 00:22:56,244 So, I bet you saw a lot. I 637 00:22:56,244 --> 00:22:58,484 bet you did. Alright. Well, thank you for 638 00:22:58,484 --> 00:23:01,625 having me. Really an honor and, great to 639 00:23:01,924 --> 00:23:04,085 have this opportunity to connect more deeply with 640 00:23:04,085 --> 00:23:06,724 Blueberry and your show. We'll catch you on 641 00:23:06,724 --> 00:23:07,625 the next episode. 642 00:23:08,005 --> 00:23:08,664 Thank you. 643 00:23:09,365 --> 00:23:12,049 Thanks for joining us. 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