1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,159 Welcome to the Becker's Healthcare podcast. I'm Chris 2 00:00:02,159 --> 00:00:04,319 Sosa, your host. And until today, to be 3 00:00:04,319 --> 00:00:07,120 joined by two guests, pediatrician doctor Shannon Hayes 4 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:09,439 and doctor Beverly Lee, who both practice at 5 00:00:09,439 --> 00:00:11,380 tech Texas Children's Pediatrics. 6 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,480 Beverly and Shannon, thank you so much for 7 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:16,454 joining us today. How are you? Great. Thank 8 00:00:16,454 --> 00:00:18,774 you. We're great. Thanks for having us. So 9 00:00:18,774 --> 00:00:19,274 wonderful. 10 00:00:19,734 --> 00:00:21,175 First, I just wanna give you both an 11 00:00:21,175 --> 00:00:21,675 opportunity, 12 00:00:22,054 --> 00:00:24,375 to introduce yourselves. Shannon, can you tell us 13 00:00:24,375 --> 00:00:25,835 a little bit about your background? 14 00:00:26,454 --> 00:00:26,954 Sure. 15 00:00:27,255 --> 00:00:27,755 I 16 00:00:28,329 --> 00:00:30,030 I attended Baylor College of Medicine, 17 00:00:30,410 --> 00:00:32,489 which is also where my little colleague here 18 00:00:32,489 --> 00:00:33,229 went to. 19 00:00:34,009 --> 00:00:35,929 And then I went and did my residency 20 00:00:35,929 --> 00:00:38,189 and internship at Texas Children's Hospital. 21 00:00:38,570 --> 00:00:40,750 I initially started private practice, 22 00:00:41,645 --> 00:00:43,325 and I did that for twelve years before 23 00:00:43,325 --> 00:00:46,125 coming over to Texas Children's Hospital. And I've 24 00:00:46,125 --> 00:00:47,905 been in the same practice since then. 25 00:00:48,445 --> 00:00:50,284 Thank you, Shannon. Alright. So, Beverly, tell us 26 00:00:50,284 --> 00:00:52,125 a bit about your background. I am a 27 00:00:52,125 --> 00:00:53,725 native Houstonian as well. 28 00:00:54,125 --> 00:00:56,409 I went to Baylor College of Medicine for 29 00:00:56,409 --> 00:00:58,570 med school, similar to doctor Hayes, and also 30 00:00:58,570 --> 00:01:00,989 did my training at Texas Children's Hospital 31 00:01:01,450 --> 00:01:02,270 after residency. 32 00:01:02,649 --> 00:01:04,650 I did do a chief resident year, which 33 00:01:04,650 --> 00:01:06,729 is an additional year of training at Texas 34 00:01:06,729 --> 00:01:09,355 Children's right at the start of the COVID 35 00:01:09,355 --> 00:01:12,895 pandemic. And then I joined doctor Hayes' practice, 36 00:01:13,435 --> 00:01:16,635 Texas Children's Pediatrics Braesewood, which we are at 37 00:01:16,635 --> 00:01:17,375 right now. 38 00:01:17,835 --> 00:01:20,395 And I have been working here as an 39 00:01:20,395 --> 00:01:22,655 attending for the past five years. 40 00:01:23,739 --> 00:01:25,739 Excellent. Thank you for giving our audience an 41 00:01:25,739 --> 00:01:28,780 insight into how your careers have flowed so 42 00:01:28,780 --> 00:01:30,219 far. We'll get into more of that, of 43 00:01:30,219 --> 00:01:32,299 course. The arc of this story that we're 44 00:01:32,299 --> 00:01:34,619 gonna touch on today is just so very 45 00:01:34,619 --> 00:01:35,119 heartwarming 46 00:01:35,500 --> 00:01:37,759 because it is a great example of how 47 00:01:38,105 --> 00:01:41,165 mentorship just is able to proliferate throughout 48 00:01:41,865 --> 00:01:44,424 not only medical community, but the patients that 49 00:01:44,424 --> 00:01:46,265 you serve. So I wanna give you both 50 00:01:46,265 --> 00:01:47,484 a chance to explain 51 00:01:47,784 --> 00:01:49,385 and tell us all about how you know 52 00:01:49,385 --> 00:01:50,125 each other 53 00:01:50,459 --> 00:01:53,180 and why it's important to be mentors to 54 00:01:53,180 --> 00:01:53,920 not only, 55 00:01:54,299 --> 00:01:56,700 each other, Shannon, you to Beverly, but Beverly 56 00:01:56,700 --> 00:01:57,680 yourself to other, 57 00:01:58,060 --> 00:01:59,040 budding physicians. 58 00:01:59,340 --> 00:02:00,939 So, Shannon, why don't you take us through 59 00:02:00,939 --> 00:02:02,719 how you came to know Beverly? 60 00:02:03,614 --> 00:02:04,254 Yeah. So, 61 00:02:04,814 --> 00:02:05,954 when I was in 62 00:02:06,575 --> 00:02:09,935 practice initially, Beverly came to me as a 63 00:02:09,935 --> 00:02:12,655 first year medical student. We have a program 64 00:02:12,655 --> 00:02:15,235 that the time was called patient physician society. 65 00:02:15,534 --> 00:02:17,854 It's when first year medical students come out 66 00:02:17,854 --> 00:02:18,914 every other week 67 00:02:19,330 --> 00:02:22,289 for a year to a generally primary care 68 00:02:22,289 --> 00:02:24,930 practice, and the intent is literally to learn 69 00:02:24,930 --> 00:02:26,150 how to do physical exam. 70 00:02:26,449 --> 00:02:28,129 So each week, they come with a different 71 00:02:28,129 --> 00:02:30,229 system that they've been studying and will learn 72 00:02:30,289 --> 00:02:32,050 how to do that physical exam. So they 73 00:02:32,050 --> 00:02:33,810 come to our office. We help guide them 74 00:02:33,810 --> 00:02:35,030 through how that works. 75 00:02:35,465 --> 00:02:37,165 So she did a year with me 76 00:02:37,465 --> 00:02:38,284 as that 77 00:02:38,585 --> 00:02:39,085 student. 78 00:02:40,105 --> 00:02:41,564 A few years later, 79 00:02:41,865 --> 00:02:43,805 she came again as a, 80 00:02:44,425 --> 00:02:46,844 medical student that was doing her core pediatric 81 00:02:47,064 --> 00:02:47,564 rotation, 82 00:02:47,944 --> 00:02:49,965 and she spent two weeks with me. 83 00:02:50,310 --> 00:02:52,150 And I loved her every time, asked her 84 00:02:52,150 --> 00:02:54,150 to try to come back when she could, 85 00:02:54,150 --> 00:02:56,390 and she did. And then when she started 86 00:02:56,390 --> 00:02:56,890 residency, 87 00:02:57,590 --> 00:02:58,409 she actually, 88 00:02:58,710 --> 00:03:01,290 joined my offices, her continuity clinic. 89 00:03:01,590 --> 00:03:04,150 And that entails residents come in and work 90 00:03:04,150 --> 00:03:06,444 in your clinic once a week for three 91 00:03:06,444 --> 00:03:08,224 years. So they literally learn 92 00:03:08,525 --> 00:03:09,824 the basics of pediatrics. 93 00:03:10,604 --> 00:03:11,425 They learn 94 00:03:12,044 --> 00:03:15,084 everything. In the hospital, especially when you're associated 95 00:03:15,084 --> 00:03:17,485 with a great hospital like Texas Children's, you 96 00:03:17,485 --> 00:03:19,485 have such volume that in the hospital you 97 00:03:19,485 --> 00:03:20,224 see such 98 00:03:20,659 --> 00:03:24,340 acute care with very chronically ill kids, sick 99 00:03:24,340 --> 00:03:24,840 kids. 100 00:03:25,459 --> 00:03:27,699 And so part of the residency program is 101 00:03:27,699 --> 00:03:29,539 to come out to the community into general 102 00:03:29,539 --> 00:03:30,680 pediatrician offices 103 00:03:31,060 --> 00:03:32,039 and really learn 104 00:03:32,500 --> 00:03:33,159 the everyday 105 00:03:33,539 --> 00:03:34,680 medicine of pediatrics. 106 00:03:35,705 --> 00:03:37,865 And so she was my resident for three 107 00:03:37,865 --> 00:03:39,544 years, and the whole time as she was 108 00:03:39,544 --> 00:03:40,925 nearing towards her finished 109 00:03:41,784 --> 00:03:42,685 date, I was 110 00:03:43,544 --> 00:03:44,844 harassing my administration 111 00:03:45,224 --> 00:03:45,724 to, 112 00:03:46,104 --> 00:03:47,784 make sure that I could hire her and 113 00:03:47,784 --> 00:03:49,625 she could join my practice, because that's all 114 00:03:49,625 --> 00:03:50,129 I wanted. 115 00:03:50,770 --> 00:03:52,450 And she did, and we've been working together 116 00:03:52,450 --> 00:03:54,310 for five years, and it's been amazing. 117 00:03:54,849 --> 00:03:56,210 Well, I'm so glad you got that wish, 118 00:03:56,210 --> 00:03:58,129 Shannon. So, Beverly, from your point of view, 119 00:03:58,129 --> 00:04:00,849 what drew you to pediatric in general and 120 00:04:00,849 --> 00:04:02,710 to then to Texas Children's? 121 00:04:03,534 --> 00:04:04,034 Sure. 122 00:04:04,495 --> 00:04:06,335 I knew from a very early age I 123 00:04:06,335 --> 00:04:07,474 wanted to do medicine. 124 00:04:07,854 --> 00:04:10,495 Pediatrics was just a natural fit. I've always 125 00:04:10,495 --> 00:04:12,735 loved children. I love taking care of them. 126 00:04:12,735 --> 00:04:13,794 I think pediatrics 127 00:04:14,175 --> 00:04:16,014 is such a unique field in that we 128 00:04:16,014 --> 00:04:18,540 get to partner with the patient and their 129 00:04:18,540 --> 00:04:21,180 families from the time they are born to 130 00:04:21,180 --> 00:04:22,720 the time they launch into adulthood. 131 00:04:23,339 --> 00:04:26,060 And it is that longitudinal relationship that drew 132 00:04:26,060 --> 00:04:28,479 me into pediatrics and keeps me in pediatrics. 133 00:04:28,860 --> 00:04:31,180 We love the fields. We love our patients. 134 00:04:31,180 --> 00:04:32,240 We love our families. 135 00:04:32,964 --> 00:04:33,464 I 136 00:04:33,764 --> 00:04:36,185 have loved working with doctor Hayes since 137 00:04:36,564 --> 00:04:38,564 it was eight years of my training with 138 00:04:38,564 --> 00:04:40,985 her and now five years out of training. 139 00:04:41,524 --> 00:04:43,625 So we've been together for a long time. 140 00:04:44,084 --> 00:04:46,084 I viewed my time with doctor Hayes now 141 00:04:46,084 --> 00:04:48,410 looking back more like an apprenticeship, 142 00:04:48,789 --> 00:04:51,029 if anything, and I think that's super rare 143 00:04:51,029 --> 00:04:53,189 in medicine these days to have that true 144 00:04:53,189 --> 00:04:53,689 apprenticeship 145 00:04:54,229 --> 00:04:54,729 type 146 00:04:55,189 --> 00:04:55,769 of relationship. 147 00:04:56,389 --> 00:04:59,855 So I remember learning the bread and butter 148 00:04:59,995 --> 00:05:02,074 basic physical exam when I was a first 149 00:05:02,074 --> 00:05:04,095 year and then getting on to the nuances 150 00:05:04,394 --> 00:05:05,855 of how to form a differential, 151 00:05:06,634 --> 00:05:08,334 how to form treatment plans. 152 00:05:08,875 --> 00:05:11,915 But I feel like those eight years were 153 00:05:11,915 --> 00:05:12,415 instrumental 154 00:05:12,875 --> 00:05:15,569 for me in forming the type of pediatrician 155 00:05:15,629 --> 00:05:18,029 I am today. I remember just taking mental 156 00:05:18,029 --> 00:05:20,750 notes of everything she did, how she did 157 00:05:20,750 --> 00:05:21,729 a physical exam, 158 00:05:22,430 --> 00:05:24,849 how she spoke to patients and their families, 159 00:05:25,069 --> 00:05:25,569 anticipatory 160 00:05:25,949 --> 00:05:26,449 guidance, 161 00:05:27,264 --> 00:05:29,745 how to create that bond and trust with 162 00:05:29,745 --> 00:05:30,245 families. 163 00:05:31,345 --> 00:05:33,985 It's really helpful now as partners and as 164 00:05:33,985 --> 00:05:36,245 colleagues because we share a lot of patients. 165 00:05:36,305 --> 00:05:37,444 When I'm not available, 166 00:05:37,824 --> 00:05:40,145 my patients will see her. When her she's 167 00:05:40,145 --> 00:05:42,725 not available, her patients will see me. And 168 00:05:43,180 --> 00:05:46,379 it creates a good seamless continuity of care 169 00:05:46,379 --> 00:05:48,319 because we practice so similarly, 170 00:05:48,620 --> 00:05:51,039 and we know what each other are thinking. 171 00:05:51,899 --> 00:05:52,959 We can often 172 00:05:53,419 --> 00:05:56,824 patients really don't notice a difference when one 173 00:05:56,824 --> 00:05:59,145 of us cannot be there for certain reasons. 174 00:05:59,145 --> 00:06:02,024 So it's caused a lot of just harmony 175 00:06:02,024 --> 00:06:04,285 in our clinic and in our patient care. 176 00:06:05,064 --> 00:06:07,464 Bradley, I'm so glad, in particular, you mentioned 177 00:06:07,464 --> 00:06:08,285 this aspect 178 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,280 of apprenticeship and mentorship. It's such a a 179 00:06:11,280 --> 00:06:12,259 wonderful point 180 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,199 in in any industry, including my own, including 181 00:06:15,199 --> 00:06:18,160 yours. It's one thing for you to walk 182 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:18,660 into 183 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,040 any sort of career and be handed a 184 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,439 playbook. Have someone say, oh, here are the 185 00:06:23,439 --> 00:06:25,495 things you should do. You could read in 186 00:06:25,495 --> 00:06:28,235 the book, watch a video, whatever. It's entirely 187 00:06:28,375 --> 00:06:30,454 different thing to have someone say, you know 188 00:06:30,454 --> 00:06:32,294 what? I'm gonna help you out because it's 189 00:06:32,294 --> 00:06:34,055 important. You know? Not only does it help 190 00:06:34,055 --> 00:06:36,375 me, but more importantly, it helps you as 191 00:06:36,375 --> 00:06:38,850 as the learner. Right? So as we get 192 00:06:38,850 --> 00:06:41,029 into that so for you, Shannon, 193 00:06:41,490 --> 00:06:43,810 so as a mentor, how would you define 194 00:06:43,810 --> 00:06:45,669 that and what does it mean to you? 195 00:06:46,209 --> 00:06:48,310 Well, I had a really good mentor myself. 196 00:06:48,529 --> 00:06:51,089 And so when I, first started out, I 197 00:06:51,089 --> 00:06:53,955 had a a physician named Nancy Berger, and 198 00:06:53,955 --> 00:06:56,035 she was my mentor. For three years, I 199 00:06:56,035 --> 00:06:57,895 was also in her continuity clinic, 200 00:06:58,355 --> 00:07:00,055 and then I went to work for her. 201 00:07:00,194 --> 00:07:00,694 And 202 00:07:01,634 --> 00:07:03,475 it was from her that I learned how 203 00:07:03,475 --> 00:07:07,020 important mentorship was because I learned every every 204 00:07:07,020 --> 00:07:09,020 aspect of physical exam that I know was 205 00:07:09,020 --> 00:07:10,480 from that from doctor Burt. 206 00:07:11,580 --> 00:07:12,720 And I recently, 207 00:07:13,660 --> 00:07:15,420 got to visit her in the hospital. She 208 00:07:15,420 --> 00:07:17,770 came into town for the for a hospital 209 00:07:18,384 --> 00:07:19,205 issue, unfortunately. 210 00:07:19,985 --> 00:07:21,745 And I actually got to thank her and 211 00:07:21,745 --> 00:07:24,324 tell her how amazing she was for me 212 00:07:24,384 --> 00:07:26,084 and how much it meant to me, 213 00:07:26,625 --> 00:07:28,545 that she spent so much time and effort 214 00:07:28,545 --> 00:07:30,705 with me. And it really made me kind 215 00:07:30,705 --> 00:07:33,959 of appreciate even more my bond with, Beverly 216 00:07:34,019 --> 00:07:34,519 because 217 00:07:34,980 --> 00:07:35,720 we really 218 00:07:36,259 --> 00:07:37,240 it's a special 219 00:07:37,620 --> 00:07:39,959 bond that you get. It's important to me 220 00:07:40,180 --> 00:07:43,399 with mentorship and primary care, especially in pediatrics 221 00:07:43,540 --> 00:07:46,519 that, yes, I'm helping her to teach her 222 00:07:47,125 --> 00:07:49,125 how to do physical exam, how to do 223 00:07:49,125 --> 00:07:52,425 differentials, how to diagnose and treat patients. But 224 00:07:53,044 --> 00:07:55,845 equally important to me is, how are you 225 00:07:55,845 --> 00:07:58,104 a working mom? How are you a wife? 226 00:07:58,324 --> 00:07:59,225 How are you, 227 00:07:59,629 --> 00:08:01,629 you know, shuttling back and forth between clinic 228 00:08:01,629 --> 00:08:03,169 and going to teacher, 229 00:08:03,629 --> 00:08:05,949 you know, lunches that you can't possibly make, 230 00:08:05,949 --> 00:08:07,470 but you're gonna make because you're trying to 231 00:08:07,470 --> 00:08:08,050 be superhuman? 232 00:08:08,589 --> 00:08:10,430 And I think what I like to do 233 00:08:10,430 --> 00:08:11,250 with my residents 234 00:08:11,789 --> 00:08:12,289 is 235 00:08:12,834 --> 00:08:16,854 teach them that medicine is absolutely worth doing, 236 00:08:17,394 --> 00:08:18,935 and it's going to be hard. 237 00:08:19,474 --> 00:08:19,974 But 238 00:08:20,435 --> 00:08:22,595 I understand how hard it is, and I'm 239 00:08:22,595 --> 00:08:24,854 here to help you. Because, really, 240 00:08:25,830 --> 00:08:26,889 it is a very 241 00:08:27,350 --> 00:08:28,330 rewarding lifestyle, 242 00:08:29,110 --> 00:08:31,350 but there are many times where you might 243 00:08:31,350 --> 00:08:32,950 wanna quit because of how hard it is 244 00:08:32,950 --> 00:08:33,850 to raise a family 245 00:08:34,470 --> 00:08:36,070 and work at the same time and be 246 00:08:36,070 --> 00:08:36,570 married. 247 00:08:37,350 --> 00:08:39,350 And so I I hopefully am here to 248 00:08:39,350 --> 00:08:41,154 be a pillar for them to to go, 249 00:08:41,154 --> 00:08:43,335 okay. Can be done. We're we're good. 250 00:08:44,195 --> 00:08:45,875 Beverly, I wanna ask you the same thing. 251 00:08:45,875 --> 00:08:47,634 I mean, your perspective is a little different 252 00:08:47,634 --> 00:08:50,434 because you've had Shannon as a as a 253 00:08:50,434 --> 00:08:52,134 mentor, but you're working toward, 254 00:08:52,595 --> 00:08:54,914 becoming a mentor yourself. I actually, I take 255 00:08:54,914 --> 00:08:56,615 that back. I think you're there already. 256 00:08:56,970 --> 00:08:59,209 But I'm gonna let you explain that, what 257 00:08:59,209 --> 00:09:01,690 your journey as a mentor has been like, 258 00:09:01,690 --> 00:09:03,709 whether it's related to Shannon or otherwise. 259 00:09:04,889 --> 00:09:08,730 Yeah. That's a great question. I totally agree 260 00:09:08,730 --> 00:09:11,555 with what doctor Hayes says. I think as 261 00:09:11,555 --> 00:09:13,715 much as it is important that we are 262 00:09:13,715 --> 00:09:16,615 learning from our mentors regarding the medicine, 263 00:09:17,075 --> 00:09:18,855 it is equally just as important 264 00:09:19,555 --> 00:09:23,075 to see our mentors as full persons in 265 00:09:23,075 --> 00:09:25,575 regards to their physicians, but they're also 266 00:09:26,409 --> 00:09:27,470 wives or husbands, 267 00:09:27,769 --> 00:09:28,909 mothers and fathers, 268 00:09:29,610 --> 00:09:30,110 members 269 00:09:30,490 --> 00:09:31,549 of their community. 270 00:09:32,250 --> 00:09:32,750 And 271 00:09:33,129 --> 00:09:35,049 I have learned so much from doctor Paige 272 00:09:35,049 --> 00:09:36,269 just watching her, 273 00:09:36,889 --> 00:09:39,389 raise a family in the midst of 274 00:09:39,975 --> 00:09:41,595 being a pediatrician 275 00:09:42,134 --> 00:09:44,294 so much so that I have followed her 276 00:09:44,294 --> 00:09:46,475 footsteps pretty much to a t. 277 00:09:46,855 --> 00:09:49,914 And I have raised my own two boys, 278 00:09:50,774 --> 00:09:51,995 fresh out of residency. 279 00:09:52,774 --> 00:09:53,274 And 280 00:09:54,179 --> 00:09:57,080 turning to her, whether it's as a patient 281 00:09:57,379 --> 00:09:59,860 or as a colleague, asking her the same 282 00:09:59,860 --> 00:10:00,360 questions. 283 00:10:00,899 --> 00:10:01,720 Things like 284 00:10:02,259 --> 00:10:02,759 breastfeeding 285 00:10:03,220 --> 00:10:03,720 and 286 00:10:04,740 --> 00:10:06,440 balancing just work life 287 00:10:06,865 --> 00:10:07,445 in general. 288 00:10:07,745 --> 00:10:10,465 And so I think that mentorship component of 289 00:10:10,465 --> 00:10:12,865 the whole person is super important and something 290 00:10:12,865 --> 00:10:15,024 that I want to continue to do as 291 00:10:15,024 --> 00:10:18,144 well. Chief residency gave me an introduction to 292 00:10:18,144 --> 00:10:20,404 mentorship. We are basically mentors 293 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,120 to the residency program as a whole. That's 294 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,840 really where I got my first taste as 295 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,179 being a mentor instead of being a mentee. 296 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:30,639 I would have many residents come into my 297 00:10:30,639 --> 00:10:34,639 office asking about career tracks, asking about, 298 00:10:36,195 --> 00:10:38,295 different situations with co residents. 299 00:10:38,995 --> 00:10:42,355 And I understood the importance of being there 300 00:10:42,355 --> 00:10:45,235 for them, being a listening ear, providing the 301 00:10:45,235 --> 00:10:47,235 wisdom that I had or some guidance that 302 00:10:47,235 --> 00:10:48,054 I could provide. 303 00:10:48,929 --> 00:10:51,490 And at Texas Children's Pediatrics, not only in 304 00:10:51,490 --> 00:10:52,950 our clinic, but in many clinics 305 00:10:53,649 --> 00:10:56,769 here, we value having learners in our clinic. 306 00:10:56,769 --> 00:10:58,850 I think it is extremely important to have 307 00:10:58,850 --> 00:11:00,929 them. We have first through fourth year medical 308 00:11:00,929 --> 00:11:01,429 students, 309 00:11:01,914 --> 00:11:04,394 but we also have residents who are with 310 00:11:04,394 --> 00:11:06,794 us for their continuity clinic, like doctor Pays 311 00:11:06,794 --> 00:11:08,815 mentioned, for us for three years. 312 00:11:09,514 --> 00:11:10,014 And 313 00:11:10,794 --> 00:11:13,375 mentorship can often feel like we are giving 314 00:11:13,595 --> 00:11:14,095 ourselves 315 00:11:14,820 --> 00:11:17,139 to them, but they give just as much 316 00:11:17,139 --> 00:11:17,960 back to us. 317 00:11:18,340 --> 00:11:18,840 We 318 00:11:19,220 --> 00:11:21,379 benefit from them each and every day that 319 00:11:21,379 --> 00:11:23,720 we have them. They are often the most 320 00:11:23,779 --> 00:11:26,019 up to date on evidence based medicine, being 321 00:11:26,019 --> 00:11:27,639 in the hospital and getting 322 00:11:28,004 --> 00:11:31,125 all these lectures about what's coming out. And 323 00:11:31,125 --> 00:11:33,924 so they keep us fresh with the evidence, 324 00:11:33,924 --> 00:11:35,605 they keep us up to date, and they 325 00:11:35,605 --> 00:11:36,504 keep us accountable 326 00:11:36,884 --> 00:11:39,365 to doing things that are scientific and evidence 327 00:11:39,365 --> 00:11:41,950 based, so we appreciate that. We also 328 00:11:42,330 --> 00:11:44,970 see either useful joy and passion on why 329 00:11:44,970 --> 00:11:47,289 they came into medicine, especially those young med 330 00:11:47,289 --> 00:11:49,529 students who are just eager to learn. And 331 00:11:49,529 --> 00:11:51,950 it reminds us of why we are here. 332 00:11:52,570 --> 00:11:53,789 And so we 333 00:11:54,195 --> 00:11:57,075 love having learners at Texas Children's Pediatrics. It 334 00:11:57,075 --> 00:12:00,035 is a core component of our clinic, and 335 00:12:00,035 --> 00:12:01,554 we hope to continue to do it for 336 00:12:01,554 --> 00:12:02,375 many more years. 337 00:12:03,315 --> 00:12:05,894 When you look at that learning environment 338 00:12:06,370 --> 00:12:07,910 at Texas Children's Pediatrics, 339 00:12:08,769 --> 00:12:10,529 this is a question for either or both 340 00:12:10,529 --> 00:12:12,550 of you. So how do you see that 341 00:12:13,410 --> 00:12:16,529 momentum building? I mean, I I'm hoping 342 00:12:17,490 --> 00:12:18,450 I'm gonna go out of it and say 343 00:12:18,450 --> 00:12:19,970 that you are not the only two mentors 344 00:12:19,970 --> 00:12:20,790 at this organization. 345 00:12:22,004 --> 00:12:23,845 So how do you feel that that is 346 00:12:23,925 --> 00:12:26,425 again, the momentum is building at your organization? 347 00:12:27,764 --> 00:12:29,705 You know, Texas Children's Pediatrics 348 00:12:30,165 --> 00:12:31,065 has really 349 00:12:31,365 --> 00:12:31,865 grown. 350 00:12:32,245 --> 00:12:34,485 We are, in fact, celebrating our thirty year 351 00:12:34,485 --> 00:12:34,985 anniversary, 352 00:12:35,605 --> 00:12:37,580 which is a huge mile stone for us 353 00:12:37,580 --> 00:12:38,480 as an organization. 354 00:12:39,500 --> 00:12:41,580 We are extremely proud to be a part 355 00:12:41,580 --> 00:12:43,740 of this organization. And from the get go, 356 00:12:43,740 --> 00:12:46,779 Texas Children's Hospital has always been about being 357 00:12:46,779 --> 00:12:48,940 a teaching hospital. That was the way it 358 00:12:48,940 --> 00:12:51,100 was designed from the get go, and it 359 00:12:51,100 --> 00:12:51,600 is 360 00:12:51,995 --> 00:12:54,495 carried hopefully into our everyday 361 00:12:54,875 --> 00:12:57,674 clinics and not just the hospital now because 362 00:12:57,674 --> 00:13:00,254 we are such a wide network of clinics 363 00:13:00,554 --> 00:13:03,934 throughout the Houston and Greater Texas area, actually. 364 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,580 So we hope that we can be examples 365 00:13:07,879 --> 00:13:09,639 to other clinics saying that it can be 366 00:13:09,639 --> 00:13:12,919 done. It is hard when we have very 367 00:13:12,919 --> 00:13:15,159 busy long days to think, how can I 368 00:13:15,159 --> 00:13:17,259 even incorporate a medical student 369 00:13:17,735 --> 00:13:19,995 in this type of environment where patients 370 00:13:20,534 --> 00:13:23,095 need to be seen at a quickly and 371 00:13:23,095 --> 00:13:23,595 efficiently? 372 00:13:24,454 --> 00:13:24,954 But 373 00:13:25,254 --> 00:13:27,095 we like to show them that it can 374 00:13:27,095 --> 00:13:28,154 be done, and 375 00:13:28,534 --> 00:13:29,034 patients 376 00:13:29,589 --> 00:13:32,389 tend to love having an extra learner. They 377 00:13:32,389 --> 00:13:34,149 are an extra set of ears. They're an 378 00:13:34,149 --> 00:13:36,470 extra set of eyes for us. They get 379 00:13:36,470 --> 00:13:38,809 to know our patients. And similarly to me 380 00:13:38,870 --> 00:13:41,269 and doctor Hayes, I was here with eight 381 00:13:41,269 --> 00:13:43,929 years getting to know these patients. And so 382 00:13:44,285 --> 00:13:46,605 they have seen me grow up from medical 383 00:13:46,605 --> 00:13:49,644 student onto being an attending now. And so 384 00:13:49,644 --> 00:13:52,125 it has been a rewarding experience, and we 385 00:13:52,125 --> 00:13:53,345 hope to continue 386 00:13:53,884 --> 00:13:56,684 showing other clinics, those who are hesitant about 387 00:13:56,684 --> 00:13:57,504 having a mentorship, 388 00:13:58,445 --> 00:14:01,320 relationship with students that it is worth doing. 389 00:14:02,179 --> 00:14:04,019 Thank you both for sharing that. And hopefully, 390 00:14:04,019 --> 00:14:07,139 the momentum does build within Texas Children's and 391 00:14:07,139 --> 00:14:09,559 other places, obviously, in in the medical community. 392 00:14:09,779 --> 00:14:11,080 I'm curious, though, 393 00:14:11,460 --> 00:14:13,639 what is something because being a mentor 394 00:14:14,019 --> 00:14:16,039 lends itself to learning about yourself, 395 00:14:16,634 --> 00:14:18,475 no doubt. So what is something each of 396 00:14:18,475 --> 00:14:20,394 you has learned about yourself just from this 397 00:14:20,394 --> 00:14:21,215 whole process? 398 00:14:22,715 --> 00:14:24,875 Of course. So I would say that one 399 00:14:24,875 --> 00:14:26,715 of the things I've learned is that students 400 00:14:26,715 --> 00:14:29,835 come and residents come from very various different 401 00:14:29,835 --> 00:14:30,335 backgrounds, 402 00:14:31,180 --> 00:14:33,279 and various different levels of training 403 00:14:33,660 --> 00:14:36,399 even within the same year of of training. 404 00:14:36,860 --> 00:14:38,300 And one of the things I've learned is 405 00:14:38,300 --> 00:14:40,540 that I've have to have to become very 406 00:14:40,540 --> 00:14:41,040 adaptable 407 00:14:41,820 --> 00:14:44,160 to the differences in that level of training 408 00:14:44,315 --> 00:14:46,575 and in the difference in differences in personalities. 409 00:14:47,595 --> 00:14:49,195 And over the years, I think I've just 410 00:14:49,195 --> 00:14:50,414 gotten better at that. 411 00:14:51,034 --> 00:14:52,554 I I think that's a great tool to 412 00:14:52,554 --> 00:14:53,294 have certainly, 413 00:14:53,914 --> 00:14:56,174 for anyone, including a medical professional. 414 00:14:56,554 --> 00:14:58,394 Lastly, I simply wanna give you both a 415 00:14:58,394 --> 00:15:01,009 chance to let our audience know what advice 416 00:15:01,009 --> 00:15:02,950 you'd give to someone who's considering 417 00:15:03,490 --> 00:15:04,710 a career in medicine. 418 00:15:06,210 --> 00:15:07,269 I think for myself, 419 00:15:08,290 --> 00:15:10,769 thinking if I was that high school or 420 00:15:10,769 --> 00:15:12,149 college age student 421 00:15:12,529 --> 00:15:13,990 interested in pursuing 422 00:15:15,315 --> 00:15:19,075 medicine, I would remind them that this is 423 00:15:19,075 --> 00:15:20,375 a delayed gratification 424 00:15:20,835 --> 00:15:21,335 road. 425 00:15:21,955 --> 00:15:22,455 Medicine 426 00:15:22,835 --> 00:15:24,535 is a long journey, 427 00:15:25,075 --> 00:15:28,054 and it can be very hard and challenging 428 00:15:28,274 --> 00:15:30,990 at times. But in the end, it is 429 00:15:30,990 --> 00:15:33,790 extremely rewarding. There is not a career like 430 00:15:33,790 --> 00:15:36,610 it, especially us being in pediatrics where 431 00:15:36,990 --> 00:15:38,210 you get to see 432 00:15:38,669 --> 00:15:42,029 healthy children flourish because of the integral role 433 00:15:42,029 --> 00:15:43,410 that you play in their lives. 434 00:15:43,845 --> 00:15:45,764 So it is worth it, but it is 435 00:15:45,764 --> 00:15:48,004 long and it is hard at times. And 436 00:15:48,004 --> 00:15:50,504 so I would say find a support system, 437 00:15:50,884 --> 00:15:54,485 whether that's family or friends or peers that 438 00:15:54,485 --> 00:15:56,700 wanna do it with you or mentors along 439 00:15:56,700 --> 00:15:59,580 the way, I think that having that support 440 00:15:59,580 --> 00:16:01,500 to remind you of why you're doing it 441 00:16:01,500 --> 00:16:03,899 and to help you along the way is 442 00:16:03,899 --> 00:16:06,559 extremely important to keep you on the road 443 00:16:06,779 --> 00:16:08,559 and the journey that is medicine. 444 00:16:09,514 --> 00:16:11,034 Yeah. And I would say that I just 445 00:16:11,034 --> 00:16:12,875 think medicine is a calling. I mean, it's 446 00:16:12,875 --> 00:16:13,375 it's 447 00:16:13,995 --> 00:16:15,995 a you're either in it with your heart 448 00:16:15,995 --> 00:16:19,115 or you're not. And and anyone that says 449 00:16:19,115 --> 00:16:21,274 they don't wanna approach medicine these days because 450 00:16:21,274 --> 00:16:21,774 of 451 00:16:22,315 --> 00:16:24,554 the way medicine is or the problems in 452 00:16:24,554 --> 00:16:26,610 health care, I just think that's maybe it's 453 00:16:26,610 --> 00:16:28,850 not for them because this is really a 454 00:16:28,850 --> 00:16:30,629 gift to be able to be a physician. 455 00:16:31,169 --> 00:16:33,490 And specifically to be a pediatrician, it's like 456 00:16:33,490 --> 00:16:35,889 being a superstar without all the fame. I 457 00:16:35,889 --> 00:16:37,490 mean, you walk in every room and they're 458 00:16:37,490 --> 00:16:38,629 like, doctor Hayes. 459 00:16:39,004 --> 00:16:40,365 And they jump up in the air and 460 00:16:40,365 --> 00:16:41,884 come hug you. And so it feels like 461 00:16:41,884 --> 00:16:44,044 a rock star every single day of my 462 00:16:44,044 --> 00:16:44,865 of my work. 463 00:16:45,485 --> 00:16:48,065 Even when I'm dealing with really difficult situations, 464 00:16:48,205 --> 00:16:49,644 I can walk in the next room and 465 00:16:49,644 --> 00:16:52,409 just be greeted with this great hug, 466 00:16:52,710 --> 00:16:54,889 and it's such a meaningful career. 467 00:16:55,269 --> 00:16:57,110 And I just don't think there's anything like 468 00:16:57,110 --> 00:16:59,289 it, so I would never turn anyone away. 469 00:16:59,350 --> 00:17:01,909 I I encourage everyone that's slightly interested in 470 00:17:01,909 --> 00:17:03,690 coming into it because it's a great deal. 471 00:17:04,404 --> 00:17:07,125 Shannon, Beverly, thank you again so much for 472 00:17:07,125 --> 00:17:09,125 spending some time with us and letting our 473 00:17:09,125 --> 00:17:10,025 audience know 474 00:17:10,565 --> 00:17:12,724 what your journey has been like with each 475 00:17:12,724 --> 00:17:14,744 other as mentors, as pediatricians. 476 00:17:16,033 --> 00:17:17,713 We're gonna love sharing this story, and we 477 00:17:17,713 --> 00:17:19,233 can't wait till the next time we get 478 00:17:19,233 --> 00:17:21,553 to connect with you. Thank you. Thanks for 479 00:17:21,553 --> 00:17:22,453 having us.