1 00:00:00,185 --> 00:00:02,205 - Tom, we're back. It's shining. 2 00:00:02,205 --> 00:00:04,285 - We're in - Studio. The sun, the shining the sun is back. 3 00:00:04,305 --> 00:00:07,045 The spring is, is here it is. We're in studio. 4 00:00:07,785 --> 00:00:08,965 And we're talking about culture. 5 00:00:09,585 --> 00:00:10,845 - And we are talking about culture. 6 00:00:10,985 --> 00:00:12,605 And, and I, yeah, go ahead. And 7 00:00:12,685 --> 00:00:13,765 - I, I just heard that, um, 8 00:00:14,435 --> 00:00:16,645 your daughter got a pet, didn't she? 9 00:00:16,645 --> 00:00:17,645 She got a, a cat. 10 00:00:17,945 --> 00:00:20,285 - Wow. Really gets around. You know, . 11 00:00:20,285 --> 00:00:22,445 I didn't, I didn't. It's in the New York Times. 12 00:00:22,845 --> 00:00:27,045 I believe that . Uh, yes she did. She, uh, 13 00:00:27,125 --> 00:00:28,125 - A new member of the - Family. 14 00:00:28,275 --> 00:00:29,405 It's a new member of the family. 15 00:00:29,475 --> 00:00:33,645 They have, uh, two children, uh, a a, a young, a lady who's, 16 00:00:33,825 --> 00:00:35,685 uh, about to turn 10 and, 17 00:00:35,745 --> 00:00:38,085 and a young man who's going to turn five this summer. 18 00:00:38,265 --> 00:00:41,965 And now they have a 1-year-old, um, kitten 19 00:00:42,185 --> 00:00:43,485 or a cat, I guess, at one. 20 00:00:44,145 --> 00:00:46,605 And, um, and just joined the family. Yeah. 21 00:00:47,485 --> 00:00:49,125 - Terrific. - And they, and they're very happy. 22 00:00:49,185 --> 00:00:51,445 And the cat can go anywhere it wants pretty much. 23 00:00:51,465 --> 00:00:53,725 And do anything it wants as cats will. They, they, 24 00:00:53,725 --> 00:00:55,245 - That's not gonna change. No. 25 00:00:55,245 --> 00:00:56,405 - Whether you want 'em to or not, actually, 26 00:00:56,405 --> 00:00:59,325 the cat has gone many areas They do not want it to cats 27 00:00:59,985 --> 00:01:01,325 and did that almost like 28 00:01:01,325 --> 00:01:02,485 day one, because that's what a, that 29 00:01:02,485 --> 00:01:03,485 - Immediately Yeah. 30 00:01:03,485 --> 00:01:05,205 That's, that's how they know they have a cat and not a dog. 31 00:01:05,525 --> 00:01:06,765 - Absolutely. It Oh, absolutely. 32 00:01:07,145 --> 00:01:10,325 It actually figured out how to climb into the bottom 33 00:01:10,385 --> 00:01:12,605 of the oven and up behind it. 34 00:01:13,105 --> 00:01:16,765 Uh, now there's no advantage to doing that, 35 00:01:17,185 --> 00:01:18,925 but it's a cat and it just went 36 00:01:19,285 --> 00:01:20,485 'cause I can And then got stuck. 37 00:01:20,505 --> 00:01:21,605 And got stuck. Yeah. , of course. 38 00:01:22,145 --> 00:01:23,205 - It was like a paw flailing. 39 00:01:23,305 --> 00:01:24,725 And what's the, what's the name of the cat? 40 00:01:25,305 --> 00:01:27,085 - The name? Well, it's called Gigi, 41 00:01:27,105 --> 00:01:30,245 but the name is actually g Gordon Kitty . 42 00:01:30,495 --> 00:01:35,245 Which, which for those of you who are not familiar with the, 43 00:01:35,345 --> 00:01:36,765 um, the history of, 44 00:01:37,385 --> 00:01:39,725 of the Watergate era in the United States 45 00:01:39,745 --> 00:01:41,565 around Richard Nixon's presidency. 46 00:01:41,785 --> 00:01:46,045 Um, one of the infamous, uh, contributor to that, all of 47 00:01:46,045 --> 00:01:48,365 that, that ended up with a president having to resign 48 00:01:48,365 --> 00:01:52,325 for the only time in the history of the United States, um, 49 00:01:52,585 --> 00:01:55,125 was a gentleman by the name of g Gordon Liddy. 50 00:01:55,145 --> 00:01:57,965 And as we do this podcast, um, Mr. 51 00:01:58,095 --> 00:01:59,845 Liddy has just passed away with a, oh, 52 00:01:59,925 --> 00:02:01,165 I don't know, within the last two weeks. 53 00:02:01,165 --> 00:02:02,525 Yeah. Just in this last week. Yeah. Yeah. 54 00:02:02,665 --> 00:02:03,845 - And then they got a cat. 55 00:02:04,625 --> 00:02:05,605 - And then they got a cat. But they 56 00:02:05,605 --> 00:02:06,965 already gotten the cat before, before that. 57 00:02:06,965 --> 00:02:10,525 Yeah. He, it was, the cat was named prior to Mr. 58 00:02:10,855 --> 00:02:15,245 Liddy actually, um, shedding the, the, uh, the human coil. 59 00:02:15,665 --> 00:02:17,525 - But there are reasons for these 60 00:02:17,525 --> 00:02:18,525 - Things. 61 00:02:18,525 --> 00:02:19,925 Well, yes. 'cause now he no longer was needed. 62 00:02:20,665 --> 00:02:23,765 So they had another thing that was a pain in the neck. 63 00:02:23,945 --> 00:02:27,085 - So now he, he's now, he's now he's taken over the, 64 00:02:27,225 --> 00:02:29,325 the body of this incarnate. Well, 65 00:02:29,455 --> 00:02:32,045 - Let's hope not, but it's possible. Yeah, it's possible. 66 00:02:32,305 --> 00:02:34,365 - And and - They have, especially with cats. It's possible. 67 00:02:34,755 --> 00:02:36,085 - It's possible, of course. Yes. 68 00:02:36,135 --> 00:02:38,405 - Right now. And the, and the interesting thing with Mr. 69 00:02:38,535 --> 00:02:41,765 Liddy also is that he, not the cat, but Liddy, not kitty. 70 00:02:42,225 --> 00:02:44,005 The, that he went on to have 71 00:02:44,065 --> 00:02:47,045 - The human, the human Liddy, not the kitty kitty Liddy. 72 00:02:47,635 --> 00:02:51,165 - Sure. Right. Yes. I don't, well, I don't know 73 00:02:51,165 --> 00:02:52,045 - What he said. And 74 00:02:52,225 --> 00:02:53,225 - No one does. 75 00:02:53,225 --> 00:02:56,445 No. Okay. Um, anyway, was that he, 76 00:02:56,665 --> 00:02:59,525 he ended up having like multiple careers 77 00:03:00,025 --> 00:03:03,645 and doing quite well for himself, which is really kind 78 00:03:03,645 --> 00:03:05,245 of amazing since, and, 79 00:03:05,305 --> 00:03:09,165 and never, never spoke a word of regret of the things he did 80 00:03:09,165 --> 00:03:11,685 during the time of, of the Watergate era. He 81 00:03:11,685 --> 00:03:13,245 - Didn't have any, - He didn't have any, Nope. 82 00:03:13,425 --> 00:03:16,645 And, um, which makes him a very dangerous human being. 83 00:03:16,965 --> 00:03:19,245 . Yeah. 'cause you just don't care. 84 00:03:19,635 --> 00:03:20,805 Then what do you do? You 85 00:03:20,805 --> 00:03:21,805 - Know? 86 00:03:21,805 --> 00:03:22,565 But Tom don't speak ill of the dead. 87 00:03:22,865 --> 00:03:25,845 - No, I will, I certainly will. And he deserves it. 88 00:03:25,905 --> 00:03:26,765 And he probably would 89 00:03:26,765 --> 00:03:27,685 agree if he was sitting here 90 00:03:27,685 --> 00:03:28,485 right now. He had his own podcast. 91 00:03:28,555 --> 00:03:29,765 - Podcast. Exactly. 92 00:03:30,185 --> 00:03:32,605 But, but the whole idea that your daughter as now, 93 00:03:32,785 --> 00:03:35,085 uh, a new member of the family. That's right. A 94 00:03:35,085 --> 00:03:37,005 - Feline, a feline fe brought, 95 00:03:37,305 --> 00:03:38,765 bought an animal into the house, 96 00:03:39,115 --> 00:03:42,125 - Made me think of a wonderful conversation. 97 00:03:42,245 --> 00:03:44,925 I think we, we, we might have Uhhuh , the, 98 00:03:44,945 --> 00:03:46,765 the what's the cultural piece to 99 00:03:46,765 --> 00:03:47,765 - This? 100 00:03:47,765 --> 00:03:49,845 Because, well, you know, we've spoken just a little bit 101 00:03:50,055 --> 00:03:52,645 about, about certain animals around the world, 102 00:03:52,645 --> 00:03:53,485 but I don't think we've really 103 00:03:53,485 --> 00:03:55,165 discussed pets around the world. 104 00:03:55,395 --> 00:03:57,845 - Pets around the world. Is there a cultural issue to 105 00:03:57,845 --> 00:03:58,845 - That? 106 00:03:58,845 --> 00:03:59,205 The world ? 107 00:03:59,945 --> 00:04:03,285 Are there, is there, is there ever not a cultural aspect 108 00:04:03,285 --> 00:04:04,285 - To it? 109 00:04:04,285 --> 00:04:05,365 Because I am Dean Foster, 110 00:04:05,705 --> 00:04:08,765 - And I'm Tom Peterson, and - This is Oops, 111 00:04:09,315 --> 00:04:10,965 - Your culture showing, - Showing. 112 00:04:18,465 --> 00:04:19,805 And we also have Torin with us 113 00:04:19,805 --> 00:04:20,805 - Too. 114 00:04:20,805 --> 00:04:21,445 Oh yeah. He's our pet. 115 00:04:21,805 --> 00:04:22,805 - . 116 00:04:24,075 --> 00:04:28,005 - What, what? , sorry. Torin. I, 117 00:04:28,285 --> 00:04:31,965 - I, it's, - He's, um, yes, he's with us in studio again. 118 00:04:32,115 --> 00:04:33,765 This is, this is crazy stuff. 119 00:04:33,905 --> 00:04:37,365 - And, and to you grew up with pets, didn't you? I did, yes. 120 00:04:37,365 --> 00:04:39,565 - You had - Numerous. Yeah, we had a, we had a few, 121 00:04:39,585 --> 00:04:42,165 or I had a couple when I was Well, that's not true. 122 00:04:42,605 --> 00:04:45,565 I think Bananas and Tuesday, which are cats. Yes. 123 00:04:45,595 --> 00:04:47,325 Were still around. When I was very, when 124 00:04:47,325 --> 00:04:48,325 - Young. 125 00:04:48,325 --> 00:04:48,645 You were very, very young. Okay. So 126 00:04:48,645 --> 00:04:49,645 - I don't remember them. 127 00:04:49,645 --> 00:04:51,645 - No, - But I remember our cat chicken. Yeah. 128 00:04:52,185 --> 00:04:53,685 - Or your chicken named cat. 129 00:04:54,225 --> 00:04:55,645 - And the chicken named Cat. Yeah. Game 130 00:04:55,675 --> 00:04:57,165 - Game later, of course, as you do 131 00:04:57,415 --> 00:04:59,765 - Uhhuh and our dog named Bailey. Yeah. Who 132 00:04:59,765 --> 00:05:00,765 - Was very cute. 133 00:05:00,765 --> 00:05:02,085 Well, there was also the cat named Lester, 134 00:05:02,455 --> 00:05:03,765 - Right? That's right. Lester. Yep. 135 00:05:03,765 --> 00:05:05,085 - Yep. And there was Fox as well. 136 00:05:05,445 --> 00:05:06,565 Although Fox was an outdoor cat. 137 00:05:06,565 --> 00:05:07,565 - Okay. Again, when I was young. 138 00:05:07,565 --> 00:05:08,685 - Yeah. Yeah. - And, 139 00:05:08,685 --> 00:05:10,765 and then there was also the fox named Cat 140 00:05:11,205 --> 00:05:12,205 - . 141 00:05:12,205 --> 00:05:13,165 There was, we had, we had chicken in the fox did, 142 00:05:14,155 --> 00:05:15,165 - This is an interesting pattern. 143 00:05:15,305 --> 00:05:18,045 You constantly named an animal after another animal. 144 00:05:18,145 --> 00:05:19,725 - Yes. Well, that's right. Uhhuh. 145 00:05:19,765 --> 00:05:20,765 - , because they name 146 00:05:20,845 --> 00:05:22,165 - Resemble, there's actually a reason for that. 147 00:05:22,185 --> 00:05:23,805 But it would just bore you to tears. 148 00:05:23,905 --> 00:05:25,405 So, um, well, let's move 149 00:05:25,405 --> 00:05:26,005 - On then. , 150 00:05:26,095 --> 00:05:27,095 - Let's move on. 151 00:05:27,505 --> 00:05:30,805 - And I'm thinking, okay, it's always cats or dogs, cats 152 00:05:30,865 --> 00:05:33,885 or dogs, cats or dogs here pretty much in the us Right? 153 00:05:33,885 --> 00:05:36,045 These seem to be the predominant, you know? Yeah. 154 00:05:36,345 --> 00:05:39,205 And there are certain cultural, um, patterns to this, 155 00:05:39,435 --> 00:05:41,725 because I remember reading that, um, 156 00:05:41,825 --> 00:05:43,525 as the country became more 157 00:05:43,525 --> 00:05:48,365 and more urbanized, um, cats become the preferred animal 158 00:05:48,365 --> 00:05:50,325 because they don't take as much attention. 159 00:05:50,645 --> 00:05:51,965 Hmm. You can leave them in the apartment. 160 00:05:52,485 --> 00:05:54,125 - I think there may have been another reason too. 161 00:05:54,305 --> 00:05:55,245 And, and then, because you're talking 162 00:05:55,245 --> 00:05:56,805 the industrial revolution. No, 163 00:05:56,805 --> 00:05:58,445 - I'm talking about much more recently than that. 164 00:05:58,665 --> 00:05:59,685 - Ah, okay. Yeah. Well, 165 00:06:00,045 --> 00:06:01,365 - Absolutely recent, recent urbanization. 166 00:06:01,765 --> 00:06:03,005 - I see. Okay. Yeah. Right. - Okay. 167 00:06:03,185 --> 00:06:04,485 But the cat was always in the house 168 00:06:04,485 --> 00:06:05,725 because they kept the rats away. 169 00:06:05,745 --> 00:06:06,845 - That's, that's - The other 170 00:06:06,845 --> 00:06:07,845 - History. 171 00:06:07,845 --> 00:06:08,645 Throughout history. And, and I think in the, in the, 172 00:06:08,665 --> 00:06:10,405 in the beginning of the Augusto revolution, 173 00:06:10,405 --> 00:06:13,205 when the urban areas really started to grow, uh, 174 00:06:13,205 --> 00:06:14,925 that became a huge factor. 175 00:06:15,425 --> 00:06:17,565 But it also had been a huge factor on the farms. 176 00:06:17,945 --> 00:06:19,405 - Yes. The barn cat. Yeah. 177 00:06:19,425 --> 00:06:22,085 Was in the barn because the mousers, the mousers. Yeah. 178 00:06:22,265 --> 00:06:24,165 And you didn't feed these animals. No. 179 00:06:24,365 --> 00:06:27,925 'cause you wanted them to live off the mice. That's right. 180 00:06:28,155 --> 00:06:30,445 - Yeah. But, but also that's a working animal. 181 00:06:30,555 --> 00:06:32,845 It's, it's almost like the cats on the farms 182 00:06:32,905 --> 00:06:34,005 for the most part. 183 00:06:34,755 --> 00:06:37,325 Were, were like the horses, you know? 184 00:06:37,475 --> 00:06:41,685 It's, it's, they were, they were to do work of some kind, 185 00:06:41,685 --> 00:06:43,245 whether it was carrying humans around 186 00:06:43,345 --> 00:06:44,525 or it was pulling a plow, 187 00:06:44,985 --> 00:06:46,365 or it was something like that. Turning 188 00:06:46,445 --> 00:06:47,445 - A wheel. 189 00:06:47,445 --> 00:06:48,845 - Yeah. And Yeah, exactly. Or 190 00:06:48,845 --> 00:06:49,845 - Inventing the computer. 191 00:06:49,895 --> 00:06:52,405 There was this horse, the horse, yeah. 192 00:06:52,915 --> 00:06:54,445 Love that horse in, in the stable. 193 00:06:54,705 --> 00:06:56,885 He was sitting, burning the midnight oil, 194 00:06:57,035 --> 00:06:58,165 just working on those. 195 00:06:58,305 --> 00:06:59,765 - He was amazing. Working - On those. 196 00:07:00,075 --> 00:07:02,645 - What was his name? Ed - Zeroes and ones, something 197 00:07:02,645 --> 00:07:03,645 - Like that. 198 00:07:03,645 --> 00:07:04,685 Something, yeah. Anyway, 199 00:07:04,945 --> 00:07:06,485 you couldn't shut 'em up, that's all I know. 200 00:07:06,765 --> 00:07:09,965 . But, but, so they would, it 201 00:07:09,965 --> 00:07:11,045 - Was a lot of horse feathers. 202 00:07:11,725 --> 00:07:16,485 - , we moving quickly. . But 203 00:07:16,865 --> 00:07:17,885 - To your point, Tom. 204 00:07:17,885 --> 00:07:20,285 Oh, can a working animal? I had a point. Hold on. 205 00:07:20,285 --> 00:07:21,325 - Yeah. Oh, okay. Go - Ahead. Yes. 206 00:07:21,325 --> 00:07:23,205 Well, I, I'm taking a point from what you're saying. 207 00:07:23,455 --> 00:07:25,205 Thank you. Bet. Yeah. Can a working animal be 208 00:07:25,205 --> 00:07:26,245 defined as a pet? 209 00:07:26,355 --> 00:07:28,725 - Yeah. See, I don't think so. So, 210 00:07:28,985 --> 00:07:29,985 - No. 211 00:07:29,985 --> 00:07:33,965 - Is your cow your pet? Probably not. Could it be it? 212 00:07:34,165 --> 00:07:35,645 I guess it could be, but then you have 213 00:07:35,645 --> 00:07:37,765 to treat it significantly different 214 00:07:37,765 --> 00:07:39,365 than most cows get treated. Right. 215 00:07:39,365 --> 00:07:41,165 - So I think the definition of a pet is 216 00:07:41,165 --> 00:07:44,165 where you simply have an animal for affection. 217 00:07:44,385 --> 00:07:48,325 Yep. Uh, to, to take this place of, um, 218 00:07:49,185 --> 00:07:50,245 an object of affection, 219 00:07:50,275 --> 00:07:51,275 - Basically. 220 00:07:51,275 --> 00:07:53,925 Yes. I think a company, uh, for especially people 221 00:07:53,925 --> 00:07:55,725 who might live alone, might need it 222 00:07:55,865 --> 00:07:58,965 to just give them someone something else around. 223 00:07:59,505 --> 00:08:01,845 - And then you have that strange category of animals 224 00:08:01,995 --> 00:08:03,365 that provide emotional support, 225 00:08:03,415 --> 00:08:07,045 where one could make the case that they are working animals, 226 00:08:07,745 --> 00:08:09,245 not necessarily pets. 227 00:08:09,585 --> 00:08:11,685 - You could, - But they're somewhere in between. 228 00:08:11,735 --> 00:08:14,685 - Right. Yeah. Because that's, that's almost like getting a, 229 00:08:15,025 --> 00:08:16,565 - You still love them like a pet. 230 00:08:16,835 --> 00:08:19,365 - Well, yeah. I think, you know, there's a lot of talk now. 231 00:08:19,365 --> 00:08:22,325 People growing older and living longer, 232 00:08:22,745 --> 00:08:25,045 and in some cases needing can't, 233 00:08:25,045 --> 00:08:26,845 they can't really live by themselves. 234 00:08:26,945 --> 00:08:29,725 So there's a whole industry that is built around that, 235 00:08:29,725 --> 00:08:32,845 where people come in and, and, and spend a lot of time, 236 00:08:33,585 --> 00:08:38,445 or in fact, live with older people in order to, um, 237 00:08:38,475 --> 00:08:40,885 give them support and take help, take care of them, 238 00:08:40,905 --> 00:08:43,005 but also emotional support. 239 00:08:43,665 --> 00:08:47,605 And in doing so, they, I'm sure there's an attachment there, 240 00:08:48,585 --> 00:08:51,605 at least from the person who is being taken care of. 241 00:08:52,145 --> 00:08:55,285 And I'm thinking that those animals offer that as well. 242 00:08:55,505 --> 00:08:57,485 Now, is there going to be a give and take on that? 243 00:08:57,645 --> 00:08:59,925 I think so. I think those emotional, um, 244 00:08:59,925 --> 00:09:02,045 support animals are going to both. 245 00:09:02,365 --> 00:09:04,485 I mean, aren't they going to get some sort of, 246 00:09:04,925 --> 00:09:06,245 whatever animals get out of that, 247 00:09:06,515 --> 00:09:07,885 they're still gonna get out of it? 248 00:09:08,035 --> 00:09:10,405 - Well, they get food and care and, and attention. 249 00:09:10,625 --> 00:09:11,765 And attention, yeah. And they 250 00:09:11,765 --> 00:09:12,765 - Give back attention. 251 00:09:13,375 --> 00:09:16,645 - Right, right. - And what we perceive to be, um, love 252 00:09:16,665 --> 00:09:18,565 and understanding and appreciation. 253 00:09:18,785 --> 00:09:20,005 - But here's a cultural thing. 254 00:09:20,105 --> 00:09:22,645 It, in the US it's mainly been, 255 00:09:22,645 --> 00:09:23,965 therefore by the definition 256 00:09:23,965 --> 00:09:25,925 of a pet not being a working animal. 257 00:09:26,095 --> 00:09:28,445 Right. With the exception of cats on the farm and, 258 00:09:28,505 --> 00:09:29,805 and the mousers and such. 259 00:09:29,805 --> 00:09:34,605 Right. Um, it's basically been dogs and, and cats. 260 00:09:35,315 --> 00:09:36,325 - Yeah. I would say in the 261 00:09:36,325 --> 00:09:37,765 United States, it's primarily dogs. And, 262 00:09:38,385 --> 00:09:39,845 - And that's, and the cultural thing is 263 00:09:39,845 --> 00:09:44,005 that different cultures have different animals as pets 264 00:09:44,895 --> 00:09:47,565 using the pet as a definition. Sure. First 265 00:09:47,565 --> 00:09:49,085 - Of all, do they even have pets too? 266 00:09:49,985 --> 00:09:51,045 - Places don't. Well, that's, yeah. Don't, yeah. 267 00:09:51,045 --> 00:09:53,045 It, it, it, it, there's the presumption 268 00:09:53,355 --> 00:09:57,685 that you are economically as a society, uh, capable 269 00:09:58,225 --> 00:10:02,765 of enabling a critical number of people, the economic, 270 00:10:03,665 --> 00:10:08,565 uh, privilege of being able to keep animals strictly for, 271 00:10:09,805 --> 00:10:13,445 strictly for em, emotional and, and affectionate reasons. 272 00:10:13,585 --> 00:10:16,685 And for nothing else. Sure. Not for food, not for working. 273 00:10:17,345 --> 00:10:20,525 So that already eliminates a lot of cultures, 274 00:10:20,525 --> 00:10:23,605 because in many cultures, I have an animal 275 00:10:23,605 --> 00:10:25,565 because I'm gonna ultimately eat them, or 276 00:10:25,565 --> 00:10:28,165 because they're do providing some sort of work, 277 00:10:28,545 --> 00:10:30,765 or they're providing some sort of food, you know? 278 00:10:30,905 --> 00:10:33,765 So I don't eat the cow until it's given me all the milk, 279 00:10:34,145 --> 00:10:36,845 and then we'll slaughter the cow and, and, 280 00:10:36,865 --> 00:10:39,285 and throughout human history Wow. 281 00:10:39,765 --> 00:10:40,965 I think human history, 282 00:10:40,965 --> 00:10:43,005 this has been the world of animals. You're 283 00:10:43,005 --> 00:10:43,485 - Correct. Yes. 284 00:10:43,705 --> 00:10:48,005 - But now it's, so the whole idea of a pet is kind of a, a, 285 00:10:48,125 --> 00:10:52,245 a a on, on a mass scale, kind of a recent development. 286 00:10:52,645 --> 00:10:56,045 I think all throughout human history, elites did have pets. 287 00:10:56,275 --> 00:10:59,525 - Well, we know the Egyptians revered cats. Right. 288 00:10:59,705 --> 00:11:02,685 And, and it, but, but, but probably from what you're saying, 289 00:11:02,785 --> 00:11:05,765 and I think this is what has been found, is 290 00:11:05,765 --> 00:11:10,125 that they can trace back that, that, that the pharaohs and, 291 00:11:10,345 --> 00:11:13,125 and might have have a cat or, 292 00:11:13,305 --> 00:11:15,965 or the family of the pharaohs might have some sort of cat. 293 00:11:15,965 --> 00:11:18,365 And it was, and was it, did it represent a God? 294 00:11:18,505 --> 00:11:19,765 I'm not sure in. Yes. 295 00:11:20,145 --> 00:11:21,925 - Yes. I thought it did. It did. I don't remember the name 296 00:11:21,925 --> 00:11:23,085 of the Egyptian God. 297 00:11:23,105 --> 00:11:25,805 But it did represent a God Yes. A very powerful God. 298 00:11:26,135 --> 00:11:29,565 - Right. And, and so in some cases, they've been mummified 299 00:11:29,565 --> 00:11:32,445 and buried, uh, in some of the pyramids and, 300 00:11:32,465 --> 00:11:34,685 and other tombs that they've found, I believe. 301 00:11:35,545 --> 00:11:37,725 And, um, and so, and, 302 00:11:37,725 --> 00:11:39,925 and in that case, I don't know, is that, again, 303 00:11:39,925 --> 00:11:43,685 are we crossing a line of, of pet to actually something 304 00:11:43,685 --> 00:11:45,205 that's doing something for them? 305 00:11:45,435 --> 00:11:48,405 It's, it's offering them some sort of eternity 306 00:11:48,435 --> 00:11:50,925 that they are, um, getting from the pet. 307 00:11:51,035 --> 00:11:54,765 - Well, I remember in, in China, I was walking through, um, 308 00:11:55,085 --> 00:11:59,085 a kind of a flea market, um, in, in Shanghai. 309 00:11:59,905 --> 00:12:03,365 And there were lots of interesting things there 310 00:12:03,365 --> 00:12:04,685 that were catching my eye. 311 00:12:04,845 --> 00:12:06,365 I love these outdoor flea markets. 312 00:12:06,785 --> 00:12:08,205 And there was a little box, 313 00:12:09,145 --> 00:12:13,205 and it had what looked to me like a screen on the cover, 314 00:12:13,665 --> 00:12:16,165 and the cover would slide forward and back. 315 00:12:17,025 --> 00:12:19,045 So I'm looking at it, and 316 00:12:19,045 --> 00:12:21,805 because it had a screen on it, I'm thinking they, 317 00:12:22,305 --> 00:12:23,565 if you flip the cover back, 318 00:12:23,625 --> 00:12:25,925 you must have kept something alive inside it. 319 00:12:26,245 --> 00:12:27,765 Hmm. And then you would close it up, 320 00:12:27,765 --> 00:12:29,685 and the thing inside it could live 321 00:12:29,835 --> 00:12:31,085 through the air, with the air Sure. 322 00:12:31,085 --> 00:12:34,325 From Peter screen. And I found out 323 00:12:34,325 --> 00:12:35,525 that this was a cricket box. 324 00:12:36,385 --> 00:12:41,085 Ah. And the cricket in Chinese culture was always a, 325 00:12:41,265 --> 00:12:43,085 um, a bringer of good luck. 326 00:12:44,105 --> 00:12:45,765 So, but it was a live cricket. 327 00:12:46,345 --> 00:12:49,245 And you would keep a live cricket in Ms. Little cricket box 328 00:12:49,245 --> 00:12:50,725 and keep the cricket box with you 329 00:12:50,905 --> 00:12:52,685 as you walked, spent your day. 330 00:12:52,805 --> 00:12:56,045 I mean, you walked around, you know, and, and, 331 00:12:56,225 --> 00:12:57,405 but this brought luck. 332 00:12:57,425 --> 00:12:59,205 So, I mean, was it a pet? Huh? 333 00:12:59,465 --> 00:13:01,725 Did you keep the cricket because you were affectionate 334 00:13:01,725 --> 00:13:02,925 with it, or, yeah. 335 00:13:03,025 --> 00:13:04,605 Or did you keep the cricket because it was 336 00:13:05,485 --> 00:13:06,965 - 'cause it brought you good luck, or 337 00:13:07,105 --> 00:13:08,485 - You believed it brought you good luck. 338 00:13:08,485 --> 00:13:11,565 Yeah. So you, yeah. So you fed it, you know? Right. 339 00:13:11,585 --> 00:13:13,805 And you gave it air and water and, 340 00:13:14,025 --> 00:13:15,805 - And you actually kept it and, 341 00:13:15,825 --> 00:13:18,165 and took responsibility for it for that reason. 342 00:13:18,345 --> 00:13:19,725 - By Jiminy, you did . 343 00:13:19,725 --> 00:13:22,565 - Okay. Wow. Wow. 344 00:13:22,985 --> 00:13:27,285 Um, that, okay. That's, that's kind of interesting. 345 00:13:27,405 --> 00:13:29,205 'cause you know, my first reaction to it, 346 00:13:29,465 --> 00:13:32,805 and this is very cultural reaction, I believe, is that, um, 347 00:13:33,425 --> 00:13:35,285 no, you don't, you don't have affection for it, 348 00:13:35,425 --> 00:13:36,445 but maybe you do. 349 00:13:37,015 --> 00:13:38,205 Maybe you do. Yeah. 350 00:13:38,605 --> 00:13:41,405 I mean, just, and maybe the cricket does for you also, 351 00:13:41,745 --> 00:13:44,685 my other reaction to that is how long do crickets live? 352 00:13:45,435 --> 00:13:47,285 - Yeah. - I, I don't, I think you got a limited 353 00:13:47,955 --> 00:13:49,285 time span before. 354 00:13:49,305 --> 00:13:50,365 - So just when you get, it's just when you 355 00:13:50,365 --> 00:13:51,445 get bored with it, . 356 00:13:51,445 --> 00:13:53,125 Right. You open it up one day 357 00:13:53,125 --> 00:13:56,245 and it's Cricket, Jiminy Jiminy, uh, 358 00:13:56,715 --> 00:13:57,925 nothing's happening. , 359 00:13:58,155 --> 00:14:00,205 - According to the internet, about eight to 10 weeks. 360 00:14:00,505 --> 00:14:03,805 That's it. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Okay. 361 00:14:03,945 --> 00:14:06,205 So, um, oh my gosh. 362 00:14:06,315 --> 00:14:08,645 - Just enough time to breed, I guess. 363 00:14:09,395 --> 00:14:11,565 - Yeah. - But not if it's in a box, but 364 00:14:12,135 --> 00:14:13,135 - Right. 365 00:14:13,765 --> 00:14:15,205 , it's, maybe that was, 366 00:14:15,205 --> 00:14:16,365 maybe that's the problem with them. 367 00:14:16,785 --> 00:14:19,365 Um, but again, if you're, if you're doing that, 368 00:14:19,655 --> 00:14:21,285 maybe a little bit different, only 369 00:14:21,285 --> 00:14:24,005 because crickets may have things that, 370 00:14:24,035 --> 00:14:26,445 that consume crickets, I'm assuming they do. 371 00:14:27,105 --> 00:14:28,565 And so the, like, birds 372 00:14:28,985 --> 00:14:32,005 and stuff, so that the average lifespan is gonna be impacted 373 00:14:32,105 --> 00:14:35,685 by a predator, as opposed to if it's living in a box with, 374 00:14:35,745 --> 00:14:39,005 um, and getting whatever sustenance it needs. Yeah. 375 00:14:39,005 --> 00:14:40,325 - Now you mentioned birds, you know, 376 00:14:40,505 --> 00:14:41,885 and I'm thinking back now, 377 00:14:41,945 --> 00:14:44,845 my very first pet was not a cat or a dog. 378 00:14:44,845 --> 00:14:46,285 No, it was a bird. Hmm. 379 00:14:46,285 --> 00:14:47,725 And one of the reasons was 380 00:14:47,725 --> 00:14:49,645 because we lived in an apartment Mm-Hmm. 381 00:14:49,685 --> 00:14:50,845 in an apartment building. 382 00:14:51,185 --> 00:14:53,325 And my mother just did not want 383 00:14:53,385 --> 00:14:57,165 to have a four footed creature walking through cat or dog. 384 00:14:57,295 --> 00:15:01,165 Right, right. And, and didn't want the, it was too small. 385 00:15:01,535 --> 00:15:06,085 Right. So, uh, uh, she allowed a bird in, in a small cage, 386 00:15:06,085 --> 00:15:07,365 and it was a parakeet. 387 00:15:07,945 --> 00:15:11,685 And, and we had Ricky the first, and then Ricky the second. 388 00:15:11,985 --> 00:15:15,205 Wow. And I think we may have had a Ricky the third . 389 00:15:16,585 --> 00:15:18,365 - At some. At some. Alright. 390 00:15:18,505 --> 00:15:20,845 Now, now I got asked these questions. 391 00:15:21,165 --> 00:15:22,965 did, did, um, was, 392 00:15:22,985 --> 00:15:24,125 - And I remember the first one, Ricky. 393 00:15:24,125 --> 00:15:25,725 The first was of the blue variety, 394 00:15:25,905 --> 00:15:28,885 and then Ricky, the second was of green variety. Mm. 395 00:15:29,075 --> 00:15:32,885 - Okay. Was, was, um, where, where did Ricky come from? 396 00:15:33,155 --> 00:15:35,445 - Well, who knows? - I mean, I mean, the name not, yeah. 397 00:15:35,505 --> 00:15:36,885 Oh, we don't know. Okay. No, 398 00:15:37,005 --> 00:15:38,005 - I was too young. 399 00:15:38,005 --> 00:15:39,765 I didn't ask. It sounded like a nice name. Okay. 400 00:15:39,785 --> 00:15:42,605 That's the name the bird came with. Why, uh, why 401 00:15:42,605 --> 00:15:43,365 - Did I - Go? Of 402 00:15:43,365 --> 00:15:44,365 - Course, it's the bird's name. 403 00:15:44,365 --> 00:15:48,885 Hello . Um, right. Well, he mentioned my pets before. 404 00:15:48,965 --> 00:15:50,725 I also had fish 405 00:15:51,065 --> 00:15:53,285 - And tropical fish, - But not for very long. 406 00:15:53,305 --> 00:15:55,925 Yes. Because I did not take care of them very well. 407 00:15:56,355 --> 00:15:57,965 - Well, they're very hard to take care of. 408 00:15:58,845 --> 00:16:00,725 I think tropical fish is difficult. 409 00:16:01,105 --> 00:16:05,325 Hey, I have a tropical fish story, which is very true. 410 00:16:05,745 --> 00:16:08,285 - Is it - Cultural? No, it's not cultural at all. , 411 00:16:08,755 --> 00:16:09,755 - Then go for it. 412 00:16:09,755 --> 00:16:11,245 That has to do, and please continue. 413 00:16:11,925 --> 00:16:15,085 - I remember as a little kid, my grandmother told me 414 00:16:15,085 --> 00:16:17,125 that we were gonna have a dinner that night, 415 00:16:17,745 --> 00:16:20,045 and she wanted to let me know that 416 00:16:20,355 --> 00:16:21,805 that sky was coming to dinner. 417 00:16:22,385 --> 00:16:25,285 And he was an uncle of mine who I'd never met before. 418 00:16:26,065 --> 00:16:27,645 And she said, and I'm telling you now, 419 00:16:27,645 --> 00:16:30,205 because you have to be very polite with him. 420 00:16:30,315 --> 00:16:31,485 He's gonna shake your hand, 421 00:16:31,945 --> 00:16:33,125 and when you shake his hand, 422 00:16:33,125 --> 00:16:35,005 you're gonna realize he's missing his fingers. 423 00:16:36,185 --> 00:16:38,085 - And Okay. - And so I just want, 424 00:16:38,165 --> 00:16:40,405 I remember my grandmother wanted me to know this, so I would 425 00:16:40,505 --> 00:16:42,885 - George Kaufman play and No, no, 426 00:16:43,525 --> 00:16:44,885 - I just, - For the four of you out there 427 00:16:44,885 --> 00:16:46,125 who know who George Kaufman 428 00:16:46,125 --> 00:16:47,125 - Is . 429 00:16:47,125 --> 00:16:49,565 So, so of course I'm, I'm, I'm like the 6-year-old kid, 430 00:16:49,565 --> 00:16:50,885 and I'm going, whoa, 431 00:16:51,505 --> 00:16:53,045 I'm gonna meet this guy with no fingers. 432 00:16:53,195 --> 00:16:56,405 Cool. And my grandmother told me to behave, you know, 433 00:16:56,825 --> 00:17:00,885 so I meet him, and sure enough, he shakes my hand that night 434 00:17:01,385 --> 00:17:03,645 and, and it's missing his fingers. 435 00:17:04,265 --> 00:17:06,725 And all of them, I don't remember that detail. 436 00:17:06,945 --> 00:17:08,045 - Oh, wow. Maybe 437 00:17:08,105 --> 00:17:09,105 - He had a thumb. 438 00:17:09,105 --> 00:17:11,445 There was, I don't know. But , you know, 439 00:17:11,795 --> 00:17:13,485 without the thumb, he couldn't grab my 440 00:17:13,485 --> 00:17:14,485 - Hand. 441 00:17:14,485 --> 00:17:15,045 Well, that's true. Or you would've slid 442 00:17:15,045 --> 00:17:16,125 right up to his elbow, which is 443 00:17:16,125 --> 00:17:18,165 - Why some people have monkeys as pets, I guess. 444 00:17:18,625 --> 00:17:20,565 - So you won't slide up to their elbow. Yeah. 445 00:17:20,765 --> 00:17:22,645 - , they'll slide up to your elbow anyway. 446 00:17:22,785 --> 00:17:24,045 Oh, okay. I see. And monkeys 447 00:17:24,545 --> 00:17:26,045 - Now it's getting very, very strange. 448 00:17:26,445 --> 00:17:27,485 . Go ahead. 449 00:17:27,965 --> 00:17:29,845 - I asked my mother, - So you're holding this guy's elbow? 450 00:17:29,845 --> 00:17:31,165 - Couldn't ask my grandmother. She wouldn't tell me. 451 00:17:31,245 --> 00:17:32,845 I don't know. I had this, you know, don't, 452 00:17:32,865 --> 00:17:34,085 she wasn't gonna tell me, but I asked. 453 00:17:34,345 --> 00:17:36,725 - Oh, it's one of those unspeakable things in the family. 454 00:17:36,745 --> 00:17:37,845 - Yes. Unspeakable family things. 455 00:17:38,545 --> 00:17:40,485 But I felt comfortable enough to ask my mother 456 00:17:41,035 --> 00:17:44,205 what ha what's with Uncle George? You know, like, he 457 00:17:44,205 --> 00:17:45,205 - Has no face. 458 00:17:45,205 --> 00:17:46,885 Was his real name George, the way we changed it to protect 459 00:17:46,885 --> 00:17:48,685 - No, I just thought of it now because I couldn't remember 460 00:17:48,685 --> 00:17:49,685 what his real name was. 461 00:17:49,705 --> 00:17:51,085 That's fine. Never met him before. 462 00:17:51,095 --> 00:17:52,605 Never met him again. Okay. 463 00:17:53,035 --> 00:17:57,525 - Yeah. - It turned out he lost his fingers in the Amazon 464 00:17:57,955 --> 00:18:00,925 because he went down to the Amazon looking 465 00:18:00,985 --> 00:18:02,925 for gold Uhhuh at, at some point. 466 00:18:03,145 --> 00:18:06,605 Huh. You know, he was one of these guys saw an opportunity. 467 00:18:06,795 --> 00:18:09,325 Yeah. And, and he wasn't able to do any, 468 00:18:09,425 --> 00:18:12,045 but he became the first importer 469 00:18:12,225 --> 00:18:14,365 of tropical fish to the United States. 470 00:18:14,825 --> 00:18:18,085 Oh. And while he was down in the Amazons in South America, 471 00:18:18,705 --> 00:18:20,525 he discovered the piranhas. Oh. 472 00:18:20,585 --> 00:18:25,285 - Oh, no. Oh, wow. I My hand hurts right now. Oh, yeah. 473 00:18:25,585 --> 00:18:26,605 Oh, goodness. 474 00:18:28,425 --> 00:18:31,285 So I guess you could say there was a cultural aspect 475 00:18:31,285 --> 00:18:34,005 to it in the sense that he was going down there 476 00:18:34,305 --> 00:18:38,845 and pilfering, uh, resources of that country in 477 00:18:38,845 --> 00:18:40,165 - A grand colonialist tradition. 478 00:18:40,165 --> 00:18:41,245 - Exactly. - Absolutely. 479 00:18:42,255 --> 00:18:44,925 Exploiting whatever, whatever he could exploit. 480 00:18:45,075 --> 00:18:47,605 - Well, he got his, or the piranhas got their just 481 00:18:47,605 --> 00:18:48,765 dessert. That's 482 00:18:48,765 --> 00:18:49,765 - True. 483 00:18:49,765 --> 00:18:51,125 Now fast, fast forward to my career. 484 00:18:51,325 --> 00:18:52,565 - I think it was, uh, lady Fingers 485 00:18:52,665 --> 00:18:54,925 or Man Fingers in this case. Yes. 486 00:18:55,665 --> 00:18:56,685 - Man. Fingers - , 487 00:18:58,135 --> 00:18:59,605 - Which are very different from Lady Fingers. 488 00:18:59,785 --> 00:19:02,445 Yes. Fast forward to my career. Sure. 489 00:19:03,165 --> 00:19:07,365 30 years later, I find myself down in the Amazons in Uhhuh, 490 00:19:07,385 --> 00:19:09,525 the, the section of Venezuela. 491 00:19:09,745 --> 00:19:13,325 Yes. Which is the, in, in, in, 492 00:19:13,475 --> 00:19:14,925 it's the Amazon Uhhuh. 493 00:19:14,985 --> 00:19:17,205 You think of Venezuela as the coast and Caracas. 494 00:19:17,205 --> 00:19:20,005 But significant part of the country is in the Amazons. 495 00:19:20,425 --> 00:19:25,165 And I am walking through an area where the, I'm 496 00:19:25,165 --> 00:19:27,765 with a guide and he's, we have to cross a river. 497 00:19:28,345 --> 00:19:31,965 And he said, now the way you cross a river safely when, 498 00:19:32,395 --> 00:19:34,565 when there's the possibility of piranha in the river, 499 00:19:35,345 --> 00:19:38,165 is you look for a waterfall 500 00:19:39,145 --> 00:19:42,205 and then cross just before the waterfall. 501 00:19:42,625 --> 00:19:43,845 So before it crests over the 502 00:19:43,845 --> 00:19:44,765 - Rocks. Above the waterfall. 503 00:19:44,855 --> 00:19:47,085 - Above the waterfall. Just cross it there. 504 00:19:47,085 --> 00:19:49,805 Because they'll never be piranha by a waterfall. Oh. 505 00:19:49,805 --> 00:19:52,565 Because they know that if they fall over the rocks Yeah, 506 00:19:52,565 --> 00:19:53,565 - Yeah. 507 00:19:53,565 --> 00:19:57,445 - They could die. So you can safely cross a piha infested 508 00:19:57,445 --> 00:19:59,285 river by a 509 00:19:59,285 --> 00:20:00,285 - Waterfall. 510 00:20:00,285 --> 00:20:02,085 Interesting. Good to know. Yeah. Okay. 511 00:20:02,985 --> 00:20:05,485 - Aren't you glad you tuned in already? Yeah. Really. Right. 512 00:20:05,495 --> 00:20:06,325 - We're all learned something. 513 00:20:06,345 --> 00:20:07,445 No, it's gonna save some people. 514 00:20:07,585 --> 00:20:10,365 I'm sure. I, you know, I I think keep your fingers a lot 515 00:20:10,365 --> 00:20:12,325 of , a lot of people with, uh, man 516 00:20:12,325 --> 00:20:15,005 - Fingers, old lady fingers - As you like a lot of feet. 517 00:20:15,005 --> 00:20:18,165 Were probably sacrificed to find that out, actually. 518 00:20:18,825 --> 00:20:21,165 Um, well, I didn't think, no, not here. I think 519 00:20:21,745 --> 00:20:24,365 - The development of human knowledge was, you know, over, 520 00:20:24,395 --> 00:20:26,245 - Over things had to be sacrificed. Yeah. 521 00:20:26,305 --> 00:20:27,845 - And just like the saying, you know, 522 00:20:27,845 --> 00:20:30,405 it was a brave man to eat the first oyster. Right. 523 00:20:30,685 --> 00:20:33,525 - . Right. Who then opened up, uh, an oyster bar, 524 00:20:33,765 --> 00:20:36,885 I believe in Grand Central Station, I think it was. 525 00:20:37,545 --> 00:20:39,885 - And why, why some people keep oysters as 526 00:20:39,995 --> 00:20:40,995 - Pets. 527 00:20:40,995 --> 00:20:44,365 That's right. . Well, thing thing. 528 00:20:44,365 --> 00:20:45,605 And you can't beat the pearls, you know, 529 00:20:45,795 --> 00:20:47,405 it's just, it's a, it's a side note. Well, 530 00:20:47,405 --> 00:20:49,205 - It's a great company. Well then it's 531 00:20:49,205 --> 00:20:50,445 - A working now it's a working scene. 532 00:20:50,445 --> 00:20:52,805 That's true. Yeah. There you go. See? Wow. 533 00:20:53,195 --> 00:20:54,765 - Yeah. But for one thing, you know, 534 00:20:54,765 --> 00:20:56,445 you don't have to chase it around the room. Well, 535 00:20:56,505 --> 00:20:57,505 - No. 536 00:20:57,505 --> 00:20:59,605 Or it's very slow. Chase . 537 00:21:07,585 --> 00:21:10,005 So let me, let me back up a tad here. 538 00:21:10,185 --> 00:21:13,045 Uh, we, we ended up with piranhas in, in, in, in 539 00:21:13,305 --> 00:21:16,045 - And pet - Oysters and, and then oysters and, um, 540 00:21:16,385 --> 00:21:19,085 but if pet oysters, well, pet oysters, sure. 541 00:21:19,905 --> 00:21:22,285 The, um, there was a pet rock too in the 542 00:21:22,285 --> 00:21:23,365 United States, so I don't know if 543 00:21:24,095 --> 00:21:25,095 - World - Or not for pet. 544 00:21:25,095 --> 00:21:27,125 That's right. Yeah. Yeah. I forgot about 545 00:21:27,125 --> 00:21:28,125 - That. 546 00:21:28,125 --> 00:21:28,765 And what about the Chia Pet, 547 00:21:28,765 --> 00:21:30,765 which wasn't an animal, it was a vegetable 548 00:21:31,045 --> 00:21:32,045 - . 549 00:21:32,045 --> 00:21:34,445 Well, or, or a person's head. It was, uh, right. 550 00:21:34,745 --> 00:21:36,165 But the Chia Pet was just, well, 551 00:21:36,165 --> 00:21:39,045 - The Chia Pet, if it was shaped like a person's head was, 552 00:21:39,075 --> 00:21:42,965 then it was a vegetable that was being sold as an animal 553 00:21:43,195 --> 00:21:44,685 that was really a human head. 554 00:21:45,575 --> 00:21:49,685 - Right. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That's weird. it, 555 00:21:50,185 --> 00:21:52,325 - It, it, it needed a lot of marketing 556 00:21:53,125 --> 00:21:54,125 - . 557 00:21:54,755 --> 00:21:56,405 Very catchy jingle. So Yeah. 558 00:21:56,645 --> 00:22:00,005 , don't just ignore the fact it's an animal 559 00:22:00,025 --> 00:22:03,205 that's not an animal, but a vegetable, and a human. 560 00:22:03,555 --> 00:22:04,805 It's good. They didn't go with that one. . 561 00:22:04,805 --> 00:22:06,885 No, that was not it. I was respected. 562 00:22:07,315 --> 00:22:08,285 Well, I don't think we have to 563 00:22:08,285 --> 00:22:09,365 worry about getting sued on that one. 564 00:22:09,365 --> 00:22:10,365 Yeah, we're Okay. , 565 00:22:10,505 --> 00:22:13,165 - You made the first few cuts, though, but ultimately close. 566 00:22:13,165 --> 00:22:15,285 - Yeah, it was close. But story of my career, actually, 567 00:22:15,645 --> 00:22:19,725 , um, when, um, 568 00:22:20,315 --> 00:22:22,045 your culture showing, um, 569 00:22:22,545 --> 00:22:24,365 and so is your foot, and so is my foot. 570 00:22:24,465 --> 00:22:27,525 Uh, we're that close together. How amazing is that? . 571 00:22:27,545 --> 00:22:30,965 Wow. Um, and I, okay. I'm off COVID. 19. No, no. 572 00:22:30,965 --> 00:22:32,845 - We're not doing covid. - No. Um, but 573 00:22:32,845 --> 00:22:34,605 - Some people do keep bats as pets. 574 00:22:34,755 --> 00:22:36,965 - They do keep, some people keep bat as pets. 575 00:22:37,885 --> 00:22:41,565 - I had - To . Wow. . 576 00:22:43,905 --> 00:22:46,365 Uh, I'm sure they do . 577 00:22:46,585 --> 00:22:49,205 I'm sure they do well in, if I'm not mistaken, 578 00:22:49,305 --> 00:22:52,805 and tell me if I'm wrong, but don't you have a bat house? 579 00:22:53,685 --> 00:22:55,045 - I do have a bat house. Mm. 580 00:22:55,345 --> 00:22:59,125 Um, hanging on the exterior of the garage. Uhhuh 581 00:22:59,165 --> 00:23:00,165 - . 582 00:23:00,165 --> 00:23:03,245 - Uh, the problem with my bat house is that I wasn't able 583 00:23:03,305 --> 00:23:04,845 to hang it high enough. 584 00:23:05,035 --> 00:23:07,925 Okay. I needed to get up there with a ladder, 585 00:23:07,925 --> 00:23:09,725 because if you put your bat house too 586 00:23:09,745 --> 00:23:10,805 low, the bats won't come. 587 00:23:11,085 --> 00:23:13,885 I see. It has to be at least, I think, nine or 10 feet up. 588 00:23:14,155 --> 00:23:15,325 - Well, I've, I've heard 589 00:23:15,325 --> 00:23:17,805 that often in the conversations, I believe. Sure. 590 00:23:17,865 --> 00:23:21,085 - Yes. It very, very, - The bats need to be high. Right. 591 00:23:21,625 --> 00:23:23,685 - At - Very boring. I went to many people cocktail parties. 592 00:23:23,925 --> 00:23:25,685 I went to college with many people who were like, that 593 00:23:26,045 --> 00:23:27,045 - Actually, . 594 00:23:27,045 --> 00:23:27,605 And so you might ask, 595 00:23:27,865 --> 00:23:30,525 why didn't I just hang the bat house high enough? Dean, 596 00:23:30,985 --> 00:23:33,725 - Why didn't you hang the bat house high enough? I 597 00:23:33,725 --> 00:23:34,725 - Was too lazy. 598 00:23:34,725 --> 00:23:36,045 I don't wanna get the ladder. There 599 00:23:36,045 --> 00:23:37,045 - You go. 600 00:23:37,045 --> 00:23:38,445 The ladder. Fair enough. Sure. Yeah. 601 00:23:38,845 --> 00:23:40,765 - , and I look at it every now and then, 602 00:23:40,785 --> 00:23:42,845 and I go, you know, you should really hang 603 00:23:42,845 --> 00:23:44,445 that higher. 'cause the bats will 604 00:23:44,445 --> 00:23:45,365 - Come if you do do. Yeah. 605 00:23:45,585 --> 00:23:47,925 - And, and why do you want the bats to come? 606 00:23:48,475 --> 00:23:49,645 They, the mosquitoes. 607 00:23:49,755 --> 00:23:52,045 - Okay. They do. So it's not to have them as pets. 608 00:23:52,265 --> 00:23:53,525 Oh, no, no. They're, they're working animals 609 00:23:53,525 --> 00:23:54,565 for No, they're working pets. 610 00:23:54,565 --> 00:23:56,845 - They're working - Animals. Well, also, I think that, um, 611 00:23:56,945 --> 00:23:59,245 if in, in reality, I believe if you actually look it up, 612 00:23:59,265 --> 00:24:00,405 and maybe you could do this. 613 00:24:00,595 --> 00:24:03,245 Okay. I believe that bats consume 614 00:24:03,785 --> 00:24:05,085 for bats for, uh, for humans. 615 00:24:05,115 --> 00:24:08,045 They consume an incredible number of mosquitoes 616 00:24:08,545 --> 00:24:10,205 of each individual bat does, 617 00:24:10,435 --> 00:24:14,005 however, in the overall numbers of mosquitoes, 618 00:24:14,235 --> 00:24:17,685 they're a minor contributor to, to control of mosquitoes. 619 00:24:17,685 --> 00:24:19,485 Yeah. I'm not looking that up. I buy that. Okay. Yeah. 620 00:24:19,485 --> 00:24:21,125 So I sounded like I knew what I was about. 621 00:24:21,125 --> 00:24:22,845 - That is very authoritative. So then even if 622 00:24:22,905 --> 00:24:24,645 one buys a bat house, 623 00:24:25,275 --> 00:24:26,285 - It's really not gonna make a difference. It's 624 00:24:26,285 --> 00:24:27,285 - Not gonna make a difference. 625 00:24:27,285 --> 00:24:28,285 You're gonna sit outside and you're gonna 626 00:24:28,285 --> 00:24:29,885 - Scratching the, you're running the risk anyway. 627 00:24:30,035 --> 00:24:32,165 Some bite, some bat biting your neck 628 00:24:32,185 --> 00:24:33,445 and sucking all your blood out. 629 00:24:33,465 --> 00:24:34,645 Mm-Hmm. . Sure. 630 00:24:34,985 --> 00:24:36,965 But, you know, that's how you gotta take risks, as 631 00:24:36,965 --> 00:24:38,445 - Opposed talking about, as opposed to getting a, 632 00:24:38,445 --> 00:24:39,565 getting a mosquito bite. 633 00:24:39,855 --> 00:24:42,765 Right. , which, which can give you dengue, 634 00:24:43,075 --> 00:24:46,125 malaria, ua. What else 635 00:24:46,125 --> 00:24:48,085 - Could you those things probably a lot. 636 00:24:48,665 --> 00:24:50,125 Oh, man. Um, yeah. 637 00:24:51,025 --> 00:24:52,205 So, no, I mean, 638 00:24:52,705 --> 00:24:55,405 but also there are people who are bat specialists 639 00:24:55,405 --> 00:24:57,325 and everything and, and find them fascinating. 640 00:24:57,325 --> 00:24:59,245 And maybe they keep them as pets as well. 641 00:24:59,545 --> 00:25:02,485 - I'm sure somebody does. - Yeah. Name three, 642 00:25:02,805 --> 00:25:03,805 - . 643 00:25:03,805 --> 00:25:03,925 You know, I, I don't, 644 00:25:04,505 --> 00:25:06,725 but this whole idea of what kind 645 00:25:06,725 --> 00:25:08,605 of animals constitute pets in different 646 00:25:08,605 --> 00:25:09,925 cultures. Hey, Dean. You 647 00:25:09,925 --> 00:25:11,685 - Know, what kind of animals, uh, 648 00:25:12,025 --> 00:25:13,965 are considered pets in different cultures? . 649 00:25:13,995 --> 00:25:16,845 - Well, it made me think we were talking about cats and dogs 650 00:25:16,945 --> 00:25:20,085 and, you know, many cultures have religious prescriptions. 651 00:25:20,215 --> 00:25:22,565 Again, prescriptions. Not prescriptions. Okay. 652 00:25:23,005 --> 00:25:25,125 Prescriptions against certain animals. 653 00:25:25,315 --> 00:25:27,325 - Okay. Mm-Hmm. - Like I'm thinking, um, 654 00:25:27,325 --> 00:25:28,885 throughout much of the Middle East. 655 00:25:28,985 --> 00:25:31,965 Mm-Hmm. Uh, which is, which is Islamic. Yes. 656 00:25:32,105 --> 00:25:35,765 Um, the idea of having a dog as a pet Mm-Hmm. 657 00:25:36,305 --> 00:25:39,205 Has traditionally been profane. 658 00:25:39,305 --> 00:25:42,085 You, you don't, you don't write Right to Yeah. Thats right. 659 00:25:42,085 --> 00:25:43,325 You spend some time in Jordan's. I did. And that's right. 660 00:25:43,385 --> 00:25:45,845 Yep. Right. You, why would you bring a dirty 661 00:25:46,265 --> 00:25:48,405 or an animal that, that lives outside 662 00:25:49,125 --> 00:25:51,085 a four footed animal into the house? 663 00:25:51,465 --> 00:25:56,005 The house is sacred and the house must be clean as possible. 664 00:25:56,455 --> 00:25:57,685 Which, and, and, 665 00:25:58,105 --> 00:26:00,605 and the, the, the traditional role of, 666 00:26:00,705 --> 00:26:03,405 of the woman in these traditional cultures was 667 00:26:03,405 --> 00:26:04,845 to keep the house as clean as possible. 668 00:26:04,865 --> 00:26:06,725 So the last thing you wanna do is have 669 00:26:06,725 --> 00:26:07,805 a dog inside the house. 670 00:26:08,105 --> 00:26:09,325 Yes. This doesn't make, 671 00:26:09,355 --> 00:26:11,765 it's gonna be defeating the purpose. Right, 672 00:26:11,895 --> 00:26:12,895 - Right. 673 00:26:12,895 --> 00:26:15,285 I think when we owned a dog, my wife was on board with that, 674 00:26:15,555 --> 00:26:19,965 that, uh, , but she also got the dog. 675 00:26:20,145 --> 00:26:23,285 So she couldn't really argue that fact too much. But 676 00:26:23,485 --> 00:26:25,805 - and, and remember, these ideas come out 677 00:26:25,805 --> 00:26:27,605 of traditional societies where Right. 678 00:26:27,605 --> 00:26:30,285 These animals do live outside. 679 00:26:30,825 --> 00:26:33,125 And so you don't want these packs of dogs 680 00:26:33,185 --> 00:26:35,245 or animals come from, from packs 681 00:26:35,245 --> 00:26:36,965 of dogs suddenly coming into your house. 682 00:26:37,235 --> 00:26:39,325 - Sure. - Um, they 683 00:26:39,325 --> 00:26:40,405 - Weren't, they weren't coming in. 684 00:26:40,405 --> 00:26:42,925 They weren't looking at it as something that was going 685 00:26:43,025 --> 00:26:44,965 to sleep with your Mm-Hmm. 686 00:26:45,005 --> 00:26:46,245 with your son or 687 00:26:46,245 --> 00:26:47,645 your daughter or something like that. 688 00:26:47,665 --> 00:26:50,205 And they would look at it as their pet and take care of it. 689 00:26:50,265 --> 00:26:53,245 No, it wasn't becoming that kind of thing. It 690 00:26:53,245 --> 00:26:55,525 - Wasn't a No, they weren't seen as, even, 691 00:26:55,785 --> 00:26:58,325 - In fact, the, the, the wrong thing in 692 00:26:58,325 --> 00:26:59,485 that is what you're saying. 693 00:26:59,625 --> 00:27:02,885 It was, that was not an a factor at all. Right, right. 694 00:27:03,015 --> 00:27:05,725 - Right. Now, has this changed? Yeah, of course. 695 00:27:05,755 --> 00:27:07,485 It's changed. Uhhuh, , um, you know, you go 696 00:27:07,485 --> 00:27:10,205 to some of, go to the, the Emirates, for example. Know 697 00:27:10,365 --> 00:27:12,925 - I to say, I do know an Islamic family that has a petar 698 00:27:13,385 --> 00:27:14,385 - Of course. 699 00:27:14,385 --> 00:27:16,845 Or live, you know, a very Western style life. Yes. 700 00:27:16,845 --> 00:27:19,525 And so you're living in a, in a co-op building, you know, 701 00:27:19,605 --> 00:27:22,125 a hundred floors, uh, in the middle of Dubai, 702 00:27:22,965 --> 00:27:24,325 a hundred floors up, you know? 703 00:27:24,395 --> 00:27:26,405 Yeah. And you're living a very western style life. 704 00:27:26,405 --> 00:27:28,565 And a lot of people have pets, uh, dogs as pets. 705 00:27:28,565 --> 00:27:30,125 There's no doubt about it. Yeah. 706 00:27:30,545 --> 00:27:32,125 But, um, for the Maine, 707 00:27:32,275 --> 00:27:34,205 this has been something that you didn't do. 708 00:27:34,355 --> 00:27:37,925 Yeah. And, and you compare that to the European Western 709 00:27:38,755 --> 00:27:40,285 tradition of Yes. 710 00:27:40,285 --> 00:27:43,925 Having the pet inside the house as a source of affection. 711 00:27:44,385 --> 00:27:46,365 - Yes. - Completely different. 712 00:27:46,515 --> 00:27:50,165 - Yeah. Yeah. Now, in those, in those, uh, cultures, 713 00:27:50,255 --> 00:27:52,365 would there be pets of other kinds? 714 00:27:52,725 --> 00:27:54,165 Anything like that, that might be kept out? 715 00:27:54,165 --> 00:27:56,285 Did you notice, did you see anything in Jordan torn? 716 00:27:56,585 --> 00:27:57,605 - Not that I can think of. 717 00:27:57,835 --> 00:28:02,125 Well, for the elite in those societies, falcons birds. Ah, 718 00:28:02,425 --> 00:28:03,425 - Oh, interesting. 719 00:28:03,425 --> 00:28:04,085 Oh, now we're getting into it. 720 00:28:04,745 --> 00:28:05,745 - You know, but again, this is, 721 00:28:05,745 --> 00:28:06,745 - Is that a pet though? 722 00:28:07,625 --> 00:28:10,045 - It wasn't a working animal, but it was a status symbol. 723 00:28:10,285 --> 00:28:11,765 - A status symbol. Sure. Well, I mean, 724 00:28:11,825 --> 00:28:13,325 so are dogs sometimes too? 725 00:28:13,325 --> 00:28:14,765 Yeah, I'd say that's a pet then. So 726 00:28:14,765 --> 00:28:16,325 I guess we can give them that. Sure. 727 00:28:16,905 --> 00:28:19,725 - And you know, you can, if you travel even as a tourist 728 00:28:19,745 --> 00:28:24,405 to Gulf Arabia, you can, uh, participate in falconry, uh, 729 00:28:24,405 --> 00:28:26,685 uhhuh events, Uhhuh , you know, you hold out 730 00:28:27,665 --> 00:28:30,605 for a fee, you, they'll put the leather band on your arm 731 00:28:30,745 --> 00:28:32,485 and you can hold your arm out 732 00:28:32,505 --> 00:28:34,245 and then suddenly be thrilled 733 00:28:34,435 --> 00:28:38,005 with a 60 pound falcon landing on your hand. 734 00:28:38,165 --> 00:28:40,765 , . Those birds are heavy. 735 00:28:41,075 --> 00:28:43,765 - They are not quite 60 pounds, but Yes. 736 00:28:44,115 --> 00:28:45,565 - Well, alright. , 737 00:28:46,585 --> 00:28:48,285 - The one I think that you had, it felt 738 00:28:48,285 --> 00:28:49,325 - Like 60 pounds to me. 739 00:28:49,715 --> 00:28:51,085 - Well, dad, good enough. And 740 00:28:51,085 --> 00:28:53,685 - I'm standing there going, get the attic. 741 00:28:53,845 --> 00:28:57,205 - . I'm this - Bird of prey, , 742 00:28:58,995 --> 00:29:01,205 - It's about to suck all the blood out of my neck. Oh, no 743 00:29:01,205 --> 00:29:02,085 - Wait. Wrong. It's going from my eyes. 744 00:29:02,085 --> 00:29:05,885 - Wrong animal. Oh, your eyes. Sure, sure. . 745 00:29:06,995 --> 00:29:09,525 Well, yeah, I can see that. 746 00:29:09,555 --> 00:29:13,645 That also leads us, I know that a, in, in the United States, 747 00:29:13,645 --> 00:29:17,245 there's been a major, um, problem with, 748 00:29:17,385 --> 00:29:19,285 we were talking about before, , your, 749 00:29:19,355 --> 00:29:21,045 your relative going down 750 00:29:21,045 --> 00:29:24,765 and pilfering, uh, tropical fish out of, um, the Amazon. He 751 00:29:24,765 --> 00:29:27,445 - Was, he was the first person to import tropical fish. He 752 00:29:27,445 --> 00:29:28,245 - Was importing it right into the 753 00:29:28,245 --> 00:29:29,925 United States. So that, that makes it 754 00:29:30,105 --> 00:29:31,105 - Better. 755 00:29:31,105 --> 00:29:32,525 His give him not sure He was still 756 00:29:32,735 --> 00:29:34,645 exploiting whatever he could. 757 00:29:34,715 --> 00:29:36,485 It's still colonialism. Absolutely. 758 00:29:36,585 --> 00:29:39,245 Anyway, and, and, and did anybody in the Amazons 759 00:29:39,245 --> 00:29:40,845 benefit from his presence? I doubt. 760 00:29:41,365 --> 00:29:44,725 - Probably not. No, no. It minimally. 761 00:29:45,305 --> 00:29:49,045 Um, but, um, that being said, one 762 00:29:49,045 --> 00:29:51,645 of the things in the United States is there's a whole both, 763 00:29:51,945 --> 00:29:53,685 uh, legal and, and illegal. 764 00:29:53,785 --> 00:29:56,085 And probably the illegal one is probably much larger, uh, 765 00:29:56,605 --> 00:29:58,925 industry of, of, of pets. 766 00:29:59,545 --> 00:30:01,405 - Exotic - Pets. Exotic pets. Yes. 767 00:30:01,405 --> 00:30:03,645 Which is a, a nice term for things 768 00:30:03,825 --> 00:30:06,045 who shouldn't be pets pretty much. 769 00:30:06,425 --> 00:30:10,885 Um, but, and, and snakes, um, spiders. 770 00:30:10,885 --> 00:30:12,965 And I think those are some of the good ones, as opposed to, 771 00:30:13,185 --> 00:30:14,965 um, bringing in things like large 772 00:30:14,965 --> 00:30:15,965 - Carnivores. 773 00:30:15,965 --> 00:30:18,645 - Yeah. Large cats of, uh, yes. 774 00:30:18,945 --> 00:30:21,765 Um, and you've got tigers and, uh, 775 00:30:22,145 --> 00:30:23,645 and lions and things like that. 776 00:30:24,205 --> 00:30:25,525 - I had a friend, more 777 00:30:25,525 --> 00:30:28,685 or less a, a neighbor actually, who lived upstairs from me, 778 00:30:28,865 --> 00:30:31,125 um, when I was in my twenties in, 779 00:30:31,125 --> 00:30:32,765 in the strange apartment in Brooklyn, 780 00:30:33,025 --> 00:30:35,485 who had a monkey as a pet. 781 00:30:35,555 --> 00:30:40,405 Yeah. And, um, every time I entered his apartment, 782 00:30:40,945 --> 00:30:43,565 you know, I, I felt a bit uncomfortable 783 00:30:43,565 --> 00:30:45,085 because the monkey was always in a cage. 784 00:30:45,145 --> 00:30:47,125 Mm-Hmm. . And so 785 00:30:47,125 --> 00:30:48,325 that made me feel uncomfortable. 786 00:30:48,385 --> 00:30:49,565 And then I would feel even more 787 00:30:49,565 --> 00:30:50,805 uncomfortable when the monkey came outta 788 00:30:50,805 --> 00:30:51,805 - The cage. 789 00:30:51,805 --> 00:30:52,165 Outta the cage. Yeah. Right. 790 00:30:52,465 --> 00:30:55,725 - And it made me think this guy shouldn't have a monkey 791 00:30:55,985 --> 00:30:57,005 No. In New York City. 792 00:30:57,905 --> 00:31:00,385 - No. You know, I, and, 793 00:31:00,445 --> 00:31:01,825 and I'm sure there's people out there going, 794 00:31:01,825 --> 00:31:02,865 wait a minute, hold on. 795 00:31:02,975 --> 00:31:04,305 I've had, you know, monkeys 796 00:31:04,305 --> 00:31:05,465 and I have the small monkey, 797 00:31:05,535 --> 00:31:06,785 then it, and it's perfectly fine. 798 00:31:06,825 --> 00:31:08,745 I treat it very well, and it has free to run 799 00:31:08,745 --> 00:31:10,025 around and so on. 800 00:31:10,085 --> 00:31:11,905 And, and I'm sure there are situations 801 00:31:11,905 --> 00:31:13,705 where they do get treated quite well. 802 00:31:14,325 --> 00:31:18,985 Um, however, I, I still am uncomfortable just with the idea 803 00:31:19,485 --> 00:31:22,425 and, and of, of animals that are used 804 00:31:22,425 --> 00:31:24,785 to being out in these open spaces, 805 00:31:25,125 --> 00:31:28,985 or I guess you could say should be being used in a form, 806 00:31:29,055 --> 00:31:32,545 just, it's really in for the comfort of the human. 807 00:31:33,015 --> 00:31:36,785 Because I, I maybe the animal's getting something out of it 808 00:31:36,845 --> 00:31:39,865 that's beyond that, it's hard to, to communicate with 'em. 809 00:31:39,865 --> 00:31:40,905 So it's tough to really tell. 810 00:31:41,325 --> 00:31:45,145 But I'm guessing that in some cases at least, they're just, 811 00:31:45,285 --> 00:31:47,825 that's, they're just a, a, you know, a trained thing. 812 00:31:47,885 --> 00:31:51,625 You know, you, I, they're not domesticated animals as a, 813 00:31:51,725 --> 00:31:53,265 as a cat and a dog are. 814 00:31:53,845 --> 00:31:56,945 Um, they are, they are animals that are wild 815 00:31:57,365 --> 00:31:58,505 and they're being brought in. 816 00:31:58,685 --> 00:32:02,065 And, um, as far as we know, we, we don't have the ability 817 00:32:02,065 --> 00:32:03,065 to domesticate them. 818 00:32:03,565 --> 00:32:05,825 And every once in a while, you know, we hear the stories of, 819 00:32:06,045 --> 00:32:09,065 of the one that, that gets extremely angry. 820 00:32:09,255 --> 00:32:11,905 Look, that happens with domesticated animals too. Oh. That 821 00:32:11,905 --> 00:32:12,905 - Happens with people. 822 00:32:13,165 --> 00:32:15,625 - Oh, it often happens with people. It's . 823 00:32:16,225 --> 00:32:17,665 - I don't know how you can domesticate people. 824 00:32:17,765 --> 00:32:20,065 - No, that's, that's the, that's a challenge. Part 825 00:32:20,065 --> 00:32:24,065 - Of which is why you never call your closest ones my pet 826 00:32:24,905 --> 00:32:25,905 - . 827 00:32:27,445 --> 00:32:30,945 Oh, okay. Uh, is it time for a commercial or 828 00:32:31,065 --> 00:32:32,065 - Anything? 829 00:32:32,065 --> 00:32:35,385 - ? Uh, no. Petco wanna buy time. Anybody? 830 00:32:36,245 --> 00:32:38,745 Um, , this is why I'm not the pet. 831 00:32:39,605 --> 00:32:39,645 - . 832 00:32:46,645 --> 00:32:49,365 I remember Ira, this kid in the seventh grade. 833 00:32:49,465 --> 00:32:50,885 - Oh, IRA, I - Remember. 834 00:32:50,915 --> 00:32:52,245 - Yeah. No idea. You're talking about 835 00:32:52,245 --> 00:32:54,445 - Kid in the seventh grade, he kept, uh, snakes. 836 00:32:54,445 --> 00:32:56,085 He it Yes. Pythons. 837 00:32:56,405 --> 00:32:58,365 Remember there little, a kid who had a python 838 00:32:58,545 --> 00:32:59,645 and a uhhuh tank. 839 00:32:59,945 --> 00:33:03,445 And I remember being in, um, social studies class 840 00:33:03,945 --> 00:33:08,125 and his mother runs into the classroom demanding to see him. 841 00:33:08,465 --> 00:33:09,765 And because the python had 842 00:33:09,765 --> 00:33:12,125 escaped and she left the house. . Yeah. 843 00:33:12,695 --> 00:33:14,285 - Smart. Get outta there. Yep. 844 00:33:14,715 --> 00:33:17,205 - That snake got out and she got out. Yeah. Yeah. 845 00:33:17,435 --> 00:33:20,805 - Wise . Absolutely. Get out of jumps. 846 00:33:20,965 --> 00:33:22,205 Vacate the premises. . Yes. 847 00:33:22,715 --> 00:33:26,445 It's a, it's a, um, well, pythons 848 00:33:26,545 --> 00:33:30,365 and like boa constrictors and other animals like that, or, 849 00:33:30,365 --> 00:33:31,405 or the snakes like that. 850 00:33:31,875 --> 00:33:35,805 They have become a major problem in the United States 851 00:33:36,075 --> 00:33:38,885 because people in Florida, especially 852 00:33:38,955 --> 00:33:41,165 because people have let them go. They 853 00:33:41,345 --> 00:33:42,525 - Are, you're gonna talk about the flushing, 854 00:33:42,525 --> 00:33:43,725 the alligators down the, 855 00:33:43,945 --> 00:33:45,405 - No, that's not a real thing. 856 00:33:45,785 --> 00:33:47,725 But, um, but, but this is real. 857 00:33:47,995 --> 00:33:51,205 They, these are releasing them into the Everglades with the, 858 00:33:51,205 --> 00:33:52,685 with the concept of, oh, 859 00:33:52,685 --> 00:33:54,565 well it'll disappear into the Everglades, 860 00:33:55,025 --> 00:33:57,645 but there are no predators for these creatures. 861 00:33:57,645 --> 00:34:00,245 Mm-Hmm. So they can find things to eat 862 00:34:00,705 --> 00:34:03,565 and they can multiply as soon as there's, you know, a male 863 00:34:03,565 --> 00:34:05,605 and a female, we can, it's a Garden 864 00:34:05,605 --> 00:34:06,725 of Eden in there for them. 865 00:34:07,145 --> 00:34:08,205 And that's what's happened. 866 00:34:08,225 --> 00:34:10,605 And there is a major problem down. 867 00:34:10,605 --> 00:34:14,125 They're actually doing hunts now in the Everglades to, 868 00:34:14,225 --> 00:34:15,565 to rid the Everglades of them. 869 00:34:15,805 --> 00:34:17,725 'cause they're, they're not indigenous. Mm. 870 00:34:17,835 --> 00:34:19,805 They've been brought in for other parts of the world. 871 00:34:20,065 --> 00:34:22,205 And it's a, it's a serious problem. 872 00:34:22,705 --> 00:34:24,405 And I think that's been true with other, 873 00:34:24,615 --> 00:34:26,965 other things from, um, other pets. 874 00:34:27,035 --> 00:34:30,365 - Well, when you bring an animal out of its territory 875 00:34:30,545 --> 00:34:32,485 and you bring it to a new environment that 876 00:34:32,485 --> 00:34:33,485 where it never existed 877 00:34:33,485 --> 00:34:36,165 before, you're putting everything out of balance. 878 00:34:36,625 --> 00:34:40,285 Yes. And you're gonna get some weird stuff going on 879 00:34:40,415 --> 00:34:41,845 after you do something like that. 880 00:34:41,955 --> 00:34:44,325 Yeah. And I think that's, that's what we're seeing 881 00:34:45,025 --> 00:34:46,025 - It is. 882 00:34:46,025 --> 00:34:49,285 - So, you know, culling animals becoming a business, be 883 00:34:50,085 --> 00:34:53,405 becoming an economic opportunity to have hunting 884 00:34:53,475 --> 00:34:55,565 because animals need to be called 885 00:34:55,595 --> 00:34:57,525 because they've been introduced into places 886 00:34:57,525 --> 00:34:58,685 where they shouldn't have been 887 00:34:58,685 --> 00:34:59,765 introduced in the first place. 888 00:34:59,935 --> 00:35:04,085 Right. It's, yeah. Very debatable. Very debatable. It, 889 00:35:04,115 --> 00:35:05,115 - It's practice. 890 00:35:05,115 --> 00:35:08,405 It's all questionable. But it's, it's, but it goes to pets. 891 00:35:08,645 --> 00:35:11,685 'cause they were, the, the bottom line of that seems to be 892 00:35:12,035 --> 00:35:13,485 that the idea was these, 893 00:35:13,495 --> 00:35:16,285 these creatures have been brought to be pets. 894 00:35:16,785 --> 00:35:20,205 And are they, are they actually becoming pets also? 895 00:35:20,665 --> 00:35:24,165 Um, some of these animals live an incredibly long time. 896 00:35:25,025 --> 00:35:27,365 And so I guess and another cultural 897 00:35:27,385 --> 00:35:28,605 - Oh, like the parrot. 898 00:35:29,075 --> 00:35:30,765 Yeah. We're talking about birds as 899 00:35:30,865 --> 00:35:33,805 as pets parrots typically have, I'm sorry to interrupt. 900 00:35:34,425 --> 00:35:36,565 - No, you're not. Actually didn't, and we covered that 901 00:35:37,005 --> 00:35:38,005 - . 902 00:35:38,785 --> 00:35:39,965 But, but, but you, you know, 903 00:35:39,965 --> 00:35:41,765 you stimulate my thought when you 904 00:35:41,765 --> 00:35:42,885 say things and then beg your 905 00:35:42,885 --> 00:35:43,885 - Pardon? 906 00:35:43,885 --> 00:35:46,525 - . . Well, you, you did, you you, 907 00:35:46,525 --> 00:35:48,525 you're talking about these animals that live very long 908 00:35:48,525 --> 00:35:49,885 and it made me think Aha. 909 00:35:50,115 --> 00:35:52,245 Like the parrot. Ah, right. Yes. 910 00:35:52,245 --> 00:35:54,925 Which is why pirates had traditionally 911 00:35:55,525 --> 00:35:59,445 a pa How did a pirate, by the way, develop the stereotype 912 00:35:59,445 --> 00:36:02,605 that they have, which is there's always an ancient parrot on 913 00:36:02,605 --> 00:36:04,045 their shoulder, an 914 00:36:04,045 --> 00:36:05,485 - Ancient parrot on their - Shoulder. 915 00:36:05,485 --> 00:36:07,165 Well, I'm assuming they've lived a very long time. 916 00:36:07,395 --> 00:36:09,525 - Yeah. Okay. I see. Because someone said that. 917 00:36:09,965 --> 00:36:11,645 I think I heard it on a podcast. Right? 918 00:36:11,645 --> 00:36:13,085 Exactly. Oh, recently 919 00:36:13,725 --> 00:36:14,725 - . 920 00:36:14,725 --> 00:36:16,485 It sound like Gilbert Godfrey a patch on one eye. , 921 00:36:17,315 --> 00:36:18,845 - They all sound like Gilbert Godfrey. 922 00:36:18,845 --> 00:36:19,925 - They all sound like Gilbert Godfrey, 923 00:36:20,615 --> 00:36:21,615 - Which is great. 924 00:36:21,795 --> 00:36:22,885 - Sure. We love it. Yep. 925 00:36:23,405 --> 00:36:26,285 - . Well, who has the patch? The para? 926 00:36:26,595 --> 00:36:28,325 - Well, no, in advanced stereotypes. 927 00:36:28,425 --> 00:36:30,165 The parrot also has a patch. I see. 928 00:36:30,365 --> 00:36:32,965 - I think stereotypes, we, we only wanna play 929 00:36:32,965 --> 00:36:34,085 with advanced stereotype . 930 00:36:34,345 --> 00:36:37,685 - Is there a breakfast cereal where the, there's a parrot 931 00:36:37,745 --> 00:36:38,925 as the car Cat crunch 932 00:36:38,985 --> 00:36:40,125 - Two can cat - Crunch? A 933 00:36:40,125 --> 00:36:41,085 - Two - Can. It's a two can for, 934 00:36:41,315 --> 00:36:42,405 - It's got a patch on its - Eye. 935 00:36:42,505 --> 00:36:44,165 No, the two can does not have a patch. It's 936 00:36:44,165 --> 00:36:45,165 - Not a patch. There is one. 937 00:36:45,355 --> 00:36:47,285 - Well, it might be on, is this Captain Crunch? 938 00:36:47,285 --> 00:36:50,245 Have a parrot on there? Mine, I don't know. I don't know. 939 00:36:50,515 --> 00:36:52,645 It's, I haven't eaten Captain Crunch in a long time. 940 00:36:53,195 --> 00:36:55,605 - This implies of course, that the parrot had something 941 00:36:55,605 --> 00:36:58,525 wrong with its eye and went to the optometrist 942 00:36:58,985 --> 00:37:00,645 and they put a patch on it because 943 00:37:00,665 --> 00:37:02,165 - The parrot would need the patch. 944 00:37:02,805 --> 00:37:04,005 . You know, that's definitely's 945 00:37:04,005 --> 00:37:06,365 because God forbid people could see any kind of deformity 946 00:37:06,365 --> 00:37:07,885 or any, any problem with the eye. 947 00:37:08,225 --> 00:37:09,845 So, well, you know, , 948 00:37:10,035 --> 00:37:13,325 - It's, well the pirate, the pirate master could only see it 949 00:37:13,325 --> 00:37:15,085 with one eye because he also had 950 00:37:15,085 --> 00:37:16,125 a patch on his eye. I don't 951 00:37:16,125 --> 00:37:17,285 - See, no, they gotta be on the 952 00:37:17,285 --> 00:37:18,965 right, on the correct shoulder. Which 953 00:37:18,965 --> 00:37:19,965 - Is why the - Parrot is, which is 954 00:37:19,965 --> 00:37:21,005 where the eye is. Right. Which 955 00:37:21,005 --> 00:37:24,325 - Is why the parrot is always on the left shoulder. 956 00:37:24,665 --> 00:37:26,285 And the parro and the pirate. 957 00:37:26,465 --> 00:37:30,165 The pirate master is always, , always, 958 00:37:30,585 --> 00:37:33,205 always has a patch on the left 959 00:37:33,205 --> 00:37:34,205 - Arm. 960 00:37:34,205 --> 00:37:35,405 Is it a pirate master or a parro master? 961 00:37:36,745 --> 00:37:38,085 - Yes. . - Well, the parrot 962 00:37:38,085 --> 00:37:40,565 - Could, the pirate is the parro master. But the parent 963 00:37:40,775 --> 00:37:42,885 - Could sometimes be the pirate master. 964 00:37:43,985 --> 00:37:45,765 - The parrot can be the pirate master if 965 00:37:45,765 --> 00:37:46,765 - The parrot takes charge. 966 00:37:46,905 --> 00:37:49,645 - If the parrot plays it card's. Right, exactly. 967 00:37:50,005 --> 00:37:51,885 A card playing parrot. Now we're talking. 968 00:37:52,145 --> 00:37:54,205 But if exactly adds entertainment . But, 969 00:37:54,465 --> 00:37:57,925 - But if the parrot was not a pirate master Yes. 970 00:37:58,355 --> 00:38:00,765 Then the pirate, usually the parrot master. 971 00:38:01,405 --> 00:38:05,005 - I see. Uh, without a doubt. Yes, correct. Clearly there's 972 00:38:05,005 --> 00:38:06,005 - Pirate's booty. 973 00:38:06,005 --> 00:38:06,925 Is that what, is that what you're thinking of? 974 00:38:07,025 --> 00:38:08,645 - Pirate - Booty Pirate's. Booty. 975 00:38:09,515 --> 00:38:10,725 - What? What's pirate Booty? 976 00:38:10,725 --> 00:38:11,725 That's their what they That's a, 977 00:38:11,725 --> 00:38:12,725 - It's a snack. 978 00:38:12,725 --> 00:38:13,405 It's like a cheesy 979 00:38:13,405 --> 00:38:14,405 - Snack. 980 00:38:14,405 --> 00:38:15,445 Oh it is? Oh yeah. Oh, I see. And 981 00:38:15,445 --> 00:38:17,645 - It's got a pirate with the eye patch and the parrot. 982 00:38:17,645 --> 00:38:18,605 I don't know if the parrot has an eye 983 00:38:18,605 --> 00:38:19,605 patch. I can't see that, but 984 00:38:19,745 --> 00:38:20,645 - Oh, I see. Definitely 985 00:38:20,645 --> 00:38:21,685 - Has the parrot, - The 986 00:38:21,785 --> 00:38:22,785 - Pirate - Booty. 987 00:38:22,785 --> 00:38:24,365 I don't. Okay. Oh yeah. 988 00:38:24,555 --> 00:38:26,125 Lots of things I could say about that. 989 00:38:26,305 --> 00:38:28,285 And I will refrain from saying all of them. , 990 00:38:29,955 --> 00:38:31,085 - Well say one. 991 00:38:31,395 --> 00:38:34,845 - Okay. . - We can only see one of the parrot's. 992 00:38:34,845 --> 00:38:36,405 Eyes. Eyes. I didn't, so the other eye may have a patch. 993 00:38:36,585 --> 00:38:37,885 - It may have a patch and, 994 00:38:37,905 --> 00:38:41,565 and it's, it's, it's, well, pirate booty could . 995 00:38:41,585 --> 00:38:44,005 That's be, wouldn't that be like the backside 996 00:38:44,005 --> 00:38:45,365 of the pirate? Am I wrong on that? 997 00:38:45,435 --> 00:38:47,445 - It's pirate's booty. - Oh, pirate's possessive. 998 00:38:47,445 --> 00:38:50,805 Well, okay. Still, is it, is it possessive? Well, let's, 999 00:38:50,805 --> 00:38:51,805 - Let's be accurate here. 1000 00:38:52,105 --> 00:38:55,525 - And is there a patch on it? - ? We'll never know. 1001 00:38:55,925 --> 00:38:57,885 - Goodness. - We'll, goodness. Never know. Goodness. Thank 1002 00:38:58,005 --> 00:39:00,165 - Goodness - I choose the backside of the 1003 00:39:00,165 --> 00:39:01,165 - Bag. 1004 00:39:01,165 --> 00:39:01,645 . I choose not to know. 1005 00:39:02,185 --> 00:39:03,685 - You could have patches all over the place. 1006 00:39:03,695 --> 00:39:04,965 Could on your eye. It may. 1007 00:39:05,675 --> 00:39:07,165 - Sure. wherever you want. 1008 00:39:07,625 --> 00:39:10,685 - Oh my God. Well, uh, I think we've 1009 00:39:11,325 --> 00:39:12,685 absolutely covered this . 1010 00:39:12,795 --> 00:39:14,885 - Well, I have one question. - Okay. Before we put 1011 00:39:14,885 --> 00:39:16,405 - The, if you put the patch in the right 1012 00:39:16,405 --> 00:39:17,965 place, you have covered it. Yeah, I think 1013 00:39:18,155 --> 00:39:19,125 - Exactly. . 1014 00:39:20,025 --> 00:39:23,005 - So Dean, I'm wondering, you know, we talked about how cats 1015 00:39:23,005 --> 00:39:26,005 and dogs are, you know, very common pets in the US 1016 00:39:26,105 --> 00:39:27,445 and are domesticated animals. 1017 00:39:28,105 --> 00:39:30,845 Are there other animals in other cultures that are kind 1018 00:39:30,845 --> 00:39:33,205 of known for being common pets 1019 00:39:33,205 --> 00:39:36,405 that are more domesticated, that you 1020 00:39:36,405 --> 00:39:38,925 - Can think of in the traditional definition of the pet, 1021 00:39:38,935 --> 00:39:40,805 which is the non-working animal? 1022 00:39:40,835 --> 00:39:43,175 Yeah. I, I think, 1023 00:39:44,725 --> 00:39:46,785 and with the exception of the elites of any 1024 00:39:46,785 --> 00:39:48,785 of these cultures, 'cause they've been able, like as 1025 00:39:48,785 --> 00:39:50,225 - Ubiquitous as it - Is in the past Yeah. 1026 00:39:50,245 --> 00:39:51,865 As a mass phenomenon. Right. 1027 00:39:52,165 --> 00:39:54,305 Um, I think the western concept of the dog 1028 00:39:54,305 --> 00:39:55,945 and the cat and the really Okay. 1029 00:39:56,285 --> 00:39:59,825 And the probably then the bird and the fish Yeah. 1030 00:39:59,825 --> 00:40:01,185 After that, but okay. Yeah. 1031 00:40:01,205 --> 00:40:04,705 That's pretty much, that's become pretty much universal. 1032 00:40:04,705 --> 00:40:07,265 But I think that's a modern development. Hmm. 1033 00:40:07,615 --> 00:40:11,425 - Okay. - Well it, it's it, you know, I, I think that, um, 1034 00:40:11,825 --> 00:40:13,585 I know I've learned a lot 1035 00:40:13,775 --> 00:40:14,865 - Have - You today. 1036 00:40:14,865 --> 00:40:17,145 Unfortunately none of it's cultural. But 1037 00:40:17,625 --> 00:40:18,985 - I learned a lot about pirate's booty. 1038 00:40:19,005 --> 00:40:21,665 - But then again, isn't, isn't everything cultural? 1039 00:40:21,665 --> 00:40:23,945 - Everything has a cultural element. Does it? 1040 00:40:24,205 --> 00:40:25,305 And sometimes those elements, 1041 00:40:25,345 --> 00:40:26,585 - I mean, we are going by that, but you know, 1042 00:40:26,655 --> 00:40:28,345 - Sometimes they're a whole lot more 1043 00:40:28,345 --> 00:40:29,625 important than in other cultures. 1044 00:40:30,325 --> 00:40:32,925 Um, now 1045 00:40:34,455 --> 00:40:35,575 - , yes. 1046 00:40:36,025 --> 00:40:38,135 We've lost him. You're gonna cut this out. Well, that's it. 1047 00:40:38,455 --> 00:40:40,015 . Oh no, we're keeping this. Oh, that's it. 1048 00:40:40,085 --> 00:40:41,375 This is gold. That's all in, 1049 00:40:41,445 --> 00:40:43,095 it's all gold all in. We need to return 1050 00:40:43,095 --> 00:40:44,855 - To the pirate and the parrot. Great. 1051 00:40:45,005 --> 00:40:46,615 - Good. We didn't cover that enough, 1052 00:40:47,115 --> 00:40:48,115 - Really. 1053 00:40:48,115 --> 00:40:49,295 - You know what I'm saying? - 'cause the, it, 1054 00:40:50,245 --> 00:40:52,255 there's not only the patch on the eye 1055 00:40:52,475 --> 00:40:54,455 and the parrot on the shoulder , 1056 00:40:54,675 --> 00:40:56,655 but there's also the missing arm 1057 00:40:56,675 --> 00:40:57,935 that's replaced with a hook. 1058 00:40:58,235 --> 00:40:59,255 Mm-Hmm. . And, 1059 00:40:59,555 --> 00:41:02,375 and usually a leg that's replaced with a peg leg 1060 00:41:02,485 --> 00:41:03,655 with a wooden right. 1061 00:41:03,835 --> 00:41:05,695 Yes. Wooden leg. Right? Yes. Yes. 1062 00:41:07,075 --> 00:41:08,775 - That's a dangerous job. Yeah. Is 1063 00:41:08,775 --> 00:41:09,775 - That where it all comes - From? 1064 00:41:10,175 --> 00:41:11,255 Absolutely. I assume. Yeah. 1065 00:41:11,355 --> 00:41:14,255 And these people who are, are captains have, have been 1066 00:41:14,315 --> 00:41:15,735 so out front so much 1067 00:41:15,995 --> 00:41:19,175 and have been in the midst of the, of the battles and the, 1068 00:41:19,175 --> 00:41:21,895 and the, and the entanglements and, 1069 00:41:21,915 --> 00:41:24,215 and all the things that can happen in that, in 1070 00:41:24,215 --> 00:41:29,055 that profession that they have been, um, marred and 1071 00:41:29,055 --> 00:41:30,815 therefore they're, they're marred 1072 00:41:30,815 --> 00:41:31,855 - And scarred. Mard 1073 00:41:31,855 --> 00:41:32,855 - Andd. 1074 00:41:32,855 --> 00:41:33,405 Mm-Hmm. . And these are their badges 1075 00:41:33,405 --> 00:41:35,485 of courage that they've shown 1076 00:41:36,655 --> 00:41:38,075 - Now in that same stereotype 1077 00:41:38,075 --> 00:41:39,635 with the believe that on the para 1078 00:41:39,895 --> 00:41:40,895 - It just running it out there. 1079 00:41:41,455 --> 00:41:43,715 - Didn't the, didn't the Parols have a peg leg? 1080 00:41:44,375 --> 00:41:46,555 - Pe - I think it should, I think it did. 1081 00:41:46,995 --> 00:41:49,195 - I think there may be a few animations like that. Yes. 1082 00:41:49,885 --> 00:41:53,395 Let's hope not. Real life . Alright. Well, yes, 1083 00:41:53,495 --> 00:41:56,755 - To your point, parrot live, we're back a very long time. 1084 00:41:56,945 --> 00:41:59,275 They do. And they outlive their masters in 1085 00:41:59,275 --> 00:42:00,315 Yes. In many cases 1086 00:42:01,025 --> 00:42:02,025 - They do. 1087 00:42:02,025 --> 00:42:03,515 And, and, and that's true. 1088 00:42:03,655 --> 00:42:04,795 And so you have to kind of deal 1089 00:42:04,795 --> 00:42:07,635 with them almost like children in those situations. 1090 00:42:07,745 --> 00:42:08,755 They far outlive. 1091 00:42:08,785 --> 00:42:12,555 Usually they will far outlive dogs and cats. Um, Mm-Hmm. 1092 00:42:12,595 --> 00:42:14,635 . That is, that is, I, 1093 00:42:14,915 --> 00:42:15,995 I don't know for sure how long. 1094 00:42:15,995 --> 00:42:17,755 Yeah. And some of the birds live a 1095 00:42:17,995 --> 00:42:19,195 considerably long time. I'm, 1096 00:42:19,215 --> 00:42:22,035 - I'm seeing their lifespan is as little as 20 to 30 years 1097 00:42:22,095 --> 00:42:24,195 for smaller species up to 50 years or more for larger 1098 00:42:24,195 --> 00:42:25,195 - Species. 1099 00:42:25,195 --> 00:42:27,235 Yeah. I mean, come on. If you're, if, if you're 50 years old 1100 00:42:27,235 --> 00:42:28,595 and you get a parrot Yeah. 1101 00:42:28,855 --> 00:42:31,475 You got a shot at having to leave it in your will. Yeah. 1102 00:42:31,495 --> 00:42:34,835 You know, a serious one. And, and that's, and that's true. 1103 00:42:35,135 --> 00:42:37,115 - And that's why the parrot's hanging around. You bet. 1104 00:42:37,255 --> 00:42:39,235 And when it finds out no place that it's not in the will, 1105 00:42:39,575 --> 00:42:41,555 you're gonna have one piss parrot . 1106 00:42:43,265 --> 00:42:45,755 - Well, you know what? I don't know of any better time 1107 00:42:46,595 --> 00:42:48,475 to wrap up our podcast, 1108 00:42:48,815 --> 00:42:50,475 but on a piss parrot . 1109 00:42:54,375 --> 00:42:55,435 So thank you Dean Foster. 1110 00:42:55,895 --> 00:42:57,235 - Hey, thank you Tom. 1111 00:42:57,815 --> 00:42:58,915 - And, uh, thank you Torin. 1112 00:42:58,915 --> 00:43:00,395 We're glad you're with us again 1113 00:43:00,495 --> 00:43:02,235 and we're all in studio and me too. 1114 00:43:02,235 --> 00:43:04,835 And we're just happy that this whole thing is moving forward 1115 00:43:04,935 --> 00:43:06,075 and we hope you're all safe 1116 00:43:06,575 --> 00:43:08,635 and everybody is still taking precautions 1117 00:43:08,895 --> 00:43:10,875 unless you're listening to it after we've gotten by. 1118 00:43:10,875 --> 00:43:14,635 In which case, thank goodness we got bye . 1119 00:43:14,635 --> 00:43:16,595 Mm-Hmm . Anyhow. 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