1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,179 Happy sixtieth episode. Why? 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:05,540 Yeah. It's our sixtieth episode. 60. Oh, oh, 3 00:00:05,759 --> 00:00:08,559 really? 60? I believe so. Yes. Wow. That's 4 00:00:08,559 --> 00:00:09,139 a lot. 5 00:00:09,519 --> 00:00:10,820 We've we've got it. 6 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:13,219 We've gone in and out of studio 60 7 00:00:13,359 --> 00:00:15,554 times already. I guess so. 8 00:00:16,035 --> 00:00:17,155 Whew. That is a lot. I guess so. 9 00:00:17,155 --> 00:00:19,475 Well, we actually during COVID, we were we 10 00:00:19,475 --> 00:00:21,155 were out in the, That's true. We were 11 00:00:21,155 --> 00:00:23,574 outside. We were outside. Right? Yeah. Right. Right. 12 00:00:23,714 --> 00:00:24,454 So, technically, 13 00:00:24,755 --> 00:00:26,994 no. But Man, sometimes we were remote. Pretty 14 00:00:26,994 --> 00:00:29,100 early on, we were we're we're we're we're 15 00:00:29,100 --> 00:00:31,179 remote. That's hard to say. That's true. Yeah. 16 00:00:31,179 --> 00:00:33,439 There was remoteness to it. Well, well, happy 17 00:00:33,500 --> 00:00:35,612 sixtieth birthday. Well, thank you. Sixtieth birthday. Well, 18 00:00:35,612 --> 00:00:36,239 thank you. Put 19 00:00:37,179 --> 00:00:39,600 put all those candles on that cake. 20 00:00:39,899 --> 00:00:41,804 I've got 60 right here. Alright. I'll just 21 00:00:41,804 --> 00:00:43,004 be putting them on the cake the entire 22 00:00:43,004 --> 00:00:45,004 episode. It's a little weird. Well, I know 23 00:00:45,004 --> 00:00:47,024 how to get us out of this. Yeah. 24 00:00:47,564 --> 00:00:48,064 Oops. 25 00:00:48,765 --> 00:00:50,144 Your culture show. 26 00:00:57,490 --> 00:01:00,469 60 episodes, and this is my sixth book 27 00:01:00,530 --> 00:01:02,289 coming up. Oh, look at this. Look at 28 00:01:02,289 --> 00:01:04,609 this. We've got sixes all over the place. 29 00:01:04,609 --> 00:01:05,109 Wow. 30 00:01:05,489 --> 00:01:07,474 So so okay. It's coming out soon. Right? 31 00:01:07,534 --> 00:01:09,215 I get it, I think, isn't it? Like 32 00:01:09,215 --> 00:01:10,974 a little more Have you changed the name 33 00:01:10,974 --> 00:01:12,594 of it since the last podcast? 34 00:01:13,215 --> 00:01:13,715 Alright. 35 00:01:14,174 --> 00:01:16,894 Good question. There's always that temptation. And, you 36 00:01:16,894 --> 00:01:18,415 know, while I was writing the book, you're 37 00:01:18,415 --> 00:01:19,134 all I 38 00:01:20,159 --> 00:01:22,099 you're always getting to the point of thinking, 39 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:24,239 do I is this really what I wanna 40 00:01:24,239 --> 00:01:26,159 say? Or should I say something different? Yep. 41 00:01:26,159 --> 00:01:28,799 Yeah. Yeah. You're always self editing. You're always 42 00:01:28,799 --> 00:01:31,119 sort of, like, judging it again every time 43 00:01:31,119 --> 00:01:33,599 you're making sure. Always a question mark. And 44 00:01:33,599 --> 00:01:36,454 it gets so frustrating that that's the point 45 00:01:36,454 --> 00:01:38,215 at which you know it's time to wrap 46 00:01:38,215 --> 00:01:40,054 the book. Get out. Get out now. Yeah. 47 00:01:40,054 --> 00:01:42,454 Yeah. Just stop. Yeah. Because it's like every 48 00:01:43,254 --> 00:01:45,034 any kind of artistic endeavor 49 00:01:45,575 --> 00:01:47,850 at all, the question always becomes, well, how 50 00:01:47,850 --> 00:01:49,230 do you know when it's done? 51 00:01:49,530 --> 00:01:51,689 And the answer is, you don't. It just 52 00:01:51,689 --> 00:01:54,350 stops. Which is why the publisher very wisely 53 00:01:54,409 --> 00:01:57,049 gives you deadlines. That's right. That's right. I 54 00:01:57,049 --> 00:01:59,130 just I just ran out of time. That's 55 00:01:59,130 --> 00:02:00,570 right. Yep. That's it. The best I could 56 00:02:00,570 --> 00:02:01,935 do in the time I have. Sort of 57 00:02:01,935 --> 00:02:05,055 like life itself. It is. It is. I 58 00:02:05,055 --> 00:02:06,194 appreciate the deadlines. 59 00:02:06,895 --> 00:02:09,615 Foul. So to the title, yes, the title 60 00:02:09,615 --> 00:02:10,835 has remained the same. 61 00:02:11,294 --> 00:02:11,794 However, 62 00:02:12,175 --> 00:02:13,469 was there some doubt? 63 00:02:13,790 --> 00:02:16,189 You bet. Oh, okay. Okay. Sure. Of course. 64 00:02:16,189 --> 00:02:18,270 And what is this title? Yeah. So it's 65 00:02:18,270 --> 00:02:19,889 Business Beyond Borders. 66 00:02:20,349 --> 00:02:23,729 Beyond borders. Triple b. I love that. Stories, 67 00:02:23,949 --> 00:02:27,069 tales, and lessons learned from working in a 68 00:02:27,069 --> 00:02:30,094 100 cultures around the world. Nice. A 100 69 00:02:30,094 --> 00:02:31,694 cultures around the world. A do you have 70 00:02:31,694 --> 00:02:33,854 you have a 100 that you you touch 71 00:02:33,854 --> 00:02:35,314 on? In the book? Yeah. 72 00:02:35,694 --> 00:02:37,694 No. I don't think I'm referencing it from 73 00:02:37,694 --> 00:02:39,775 a 100. But this is pulled from a 74 00:02:39,775 --> 00:02:41,854 100. It's so real wow. That's Pulled from 75 00:02:41,854 --> 00:02:44,340 a 100. Yeah. Sure. Wow. Because I have 76 00:02:44,340 --> 00:02:46,259 worked in over a 100 cultures around the 77 00:02:46,259 --> 00:02:48,659 world. Nice. Wow. And so, you know, I'm 78 00:02:48,659 --> 00:02:50,259 pulling the stories that I think are the 79 00:02:50,259 --> 00:02:52,259 most relevant for the reader Uh-huh. And the 80 00:02:52,259 --> 00:02:54,900 most interesting to me and, 81 00:02:55,459 --> 00:02:57,745 maybe most fun to read as well. Lots 82 00:02:57,745 --> 00:02:59,824 of criteria that I really do think, you 83 00:02:59,824 --> 00:03:01,824 know, we check off all those boxes. Yeah. 84 00:03:01,824 --> 00:03:03,125 Yeah. Nice. And it's storytelling 85 00:03:03,585 --> 00:03:05,104 and that kind of stuff that you're basing 86 00:03:05,104 --> 00:03:07,044 it in. Right? Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. 87 00:03:07,824 --> 00:03:10,319 Stories that have happened to me, and others 88 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:12,819 that I know Okay. All around the world 89 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:13,860 and, 90 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:15,620 that are gonna be useful, 91 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,520 I think, lessons learned for people who are 92 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,240 traveling there Yeah. And certainly doing business there. 93 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,080 So did you steal any stories that happened 94 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:25,780 to me in around the world? 95 00:03:26,655 --> 00:03:29,634 No. Oh. I didn't never. Okay. 96 00:03:32,334 --> 00:03:33,854 Oh, now he's sad. I'm a little sad. 97 00:03:33,854 --> 00:03:35,215 Is there a story that you'd like to 98 00:03:35,215 --> 00:03:37,474 contribute to the next book, the sequel? Maybe. 99 00:03:38,014 --> 00:03:40,089 Well, I'll keep that in mind. Is it 100 00:03:40,089 --> 00:03:42,264 weird I'm feeling a little bit of joy 101 00:03:42,264 --> 00:03:44,439 from your sadness? Oh, well, I think I 102 00:03:44,439 --> 00:03:47,158 was last that was What? There's there should 103 00:03:47,158 --> 00:03:49,333 be a term for that. There should be. 104 00:03:49,333 --> 00:03:51,508 Yeah. Only. Having a little bit of schadenfreude? 105 00:03:51,508 --> 00:03:53,955 That's oh, that's right. There is a term. 106 00:03:54,275 --> 00:03:54,775 Sure. 107 00:03:55,555 --> 00:03:59,175 The word that's migrated into our language because 108 00:03:59,314 --> 00:04:01,655 it talks about something that we all experience. 109 00:04:02,354 --> 00:04:03,415 But in Germany, 110 00:04:04,194 --> 00:04:05,895 they gave it a word 111 00:04:06,310 --> 00:04:09,590 and we didn't. And what's the reasons for 112 00:04:09,590 --> 00:04:12,549 that difference? That's the interesting part. Because the 113 00:04:12,549 --> 00:04:14,549 Germans are the only ones in the world 114 00:04:14,549 --> 00:04:17,769 who feel joy out of other people's problems. 115 00:04:17,910 --> 00:04:20,274 Sure. No. Yeah. No. Definitely none of us 116 00:04:20,274 --> 00:04:21,475 have ever felt joy. Am I right on 117 00:04:21,475 --> 00:04:22,835 that? I I don't think I am. But 118 00:04:22,995 --> 00:04:25,235 You're totally wrong. Oh, totally wrong. But it 119 00:04:25,235 --> 00:04:25,735 was 120 00:04:26,194 --> 00:04:26,694 fun 121 00:04:27,074 --> 00:04:29,475 to to and I'm I'm not enjoying the 122 00:04:29,475 --> 00:04:32,279 shot in the shot in Freud of Me 123 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,839 being wrong. Yes. Misfortune of you being wrong. 124 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:36,600 Understood. Uh-huh. No. No. I'm feeling quite a 125 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:37,960 bit of joy. I'm actually feeling kinda good 126 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:39,879 for myself being wrong. I don't know. That's 127 00:04:39,879 --> 00:04:41,319 weird. That I don't know about the term 128 00:04:41,319 --> 00:04:43,180 for that. Probably not the same term. Schadenfreude? 129 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:45,754 So this is part two of a two 130 00:04:45,754 --> 00:04:47,795 parter. So listen to our last episode That's 131 00:04:47,795 --> 00:04:49,355 right. That's right. This is Go back and 132 00:04:49,355 --> 00:04:50,475 do that, and then come back to this 133 00:04:50,475 --> 00:04:52,235 one. There you go. We talk about it. 134 00:04:52,314 --> 00:04:54,475 Or whatever. But we do we do so 135 00:04:54,555 --> 00:04:56,442 backwards. You know, we don't have to came 136 00:04:56,442 --> 00:04:58,649 from the book, the un well, not shutting 137 00:04:58,649 --> 00:05:00,170 for the word, but there was a book 138 00:05:00,170 --> 00:05:02,009 that we all love. We did. Yeah. We 139 00:05:02,009 --> 00:05:04,410 do. Inflatables. Yep. Yep. Christopher Moore. Thank you, 140 00:05:04,410 --> 00:05:07,129 Christopher Moore. Christopher j Moore. Christopher j Moore. 141 00:05:07,129 --> 00:05:08,730 Yes. And can I just jump in here 142 00:05:08,730 --> 00:05:11,230 and and and go back make a connection 143 00:05:11,290 --> 00:05:13,470 to the first book we were talking about, 144 00:05:13,785 --> 00:05:16,345 which is that you can order this book? 145 00:05:16,345 --> 00:05:18,824 And who wrote that book? Dean Foster. Okay. 146 00:05:18,824 --> 00:05:21,305 Business Beyond Borders. Business Beyond Borders. Which might 147 00:05:21,305 --> 00:05:24,025 be you. Is that you? That Samuel. Okay. 148 00:05:24,025 --> 00:05:26,105 Alright. I'm just clarifying because we have not 149 00:05:26,105 --> 00:05:28,125 introduced each other. The answer. Oh. 150 00:05:30,550 --> 00:05:32,230 What do we do? What do we do? 151 00:05:32,230 --> 00:05:32,730 How 152 00:05:33,430 --> 00:05:35,110 about that? Who are we? I have no 153 00:05:35,110 --> 00:05:35,610 idea. 154 00:05:35,990 --> 00:05:37,990 Oh, no. Does anyone know? I'm going to 155 00:05:37,990 --> 00:05:40,150 excuse myself now. Okay. Well, we know the 156 00:05:40,150 --> 00:05:40,995 author is? 157 00:05:41,394 --> 00:05:42,854 I'm here, Dean Foster 158 00:05:43,555 --> 00:05:46,115 and Tom Peterson, my colleague. Thank you. Thank 159 00:05:46,115 --> 00:05:49,714 you. We're talking about this whole interesting notion 160 00:05:49,714 --> 00:05:52,675 of cultural terms that don't exist in some 161 00:05:52,675 --> 00:05:55,350 cultures but do exist in others. And Torin 162 00:05:55,350 --> 00:05:57,509 Peterson Yes. And I'm here too. Hello. Here. 163 00:05:57,509 --> 00:05:59,990 Hello. Our producer, thank you for for being 164 00:05:59,990 --> 00:06:02,550 here and for sharing your wisdom as well. 165 00:06:02,550 --> 00:06:05,189 Oh, I have wisdom. Wisdom? Little bit. We'll 166 00:06:05,189 --> 00:06:06,790 get you credit for a little bit. Very 167 00:06:06,790 --> 00:06:09,882 generous. Very generous. Accurate, but I appreciate it. 168 00:06:09,882 --> 00:06:12,608 This is probably more gratuitous than that. Definitely 169 00:06:12,608 --> 00:06:15,336 gratuitous. We're gonna find a word for that 170 00:06:15,336 --> 00:06:18,063 in there somewhere. I'm sure. Yes. Business Beyond 171 00:06:18,063 --> 00:06:20,790 Borders by Dean Foster. It's available for preorder. 172 00:06:20,790 --> 00:06:23,350 Right? It's Pre yes. Available for preorder right 173 00:06:23,350 --> 00:06:25,350 now in this minute. You can just go 174 00:06:25,350 --> 00:06:27,270 to your favorite place where you buy books 175 00:06:27,430 --> 00:06:30,310 Nice. And preorder it. And it's available in 176 00:06:30,310 --> 00:06:31,610 hardcover and Kindle 177 00:06:32,069 --> 00:06:32,569 and, 178 00:06:33,995 --> 00:06:35,854 what's the other Audio book. Which 179 00:06:36,235 --> 00:06:36,974 you voiced. 180 00:06:37,435 --> 00:06:39,514 Yes. Yes. Read by Dean Foster in the 181 00:06:39,514 --> 00:06:42,154 show. Just a few weeks ago. Mhmm. Yes. 182 00:06:42,154 --> 00:06:44,394 Read by the author. Nice. Nice. And when 183 00:06:44,394 --> 00:06:47,514 is it released? November 4. Ah, yeah. Very 184 00:06:47,514 --> 00:06:49,079 soon. Of 2025. 185 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,159 Well, that's in the call. A month. Yes. 186 00:06:51,159 --> 00:06:52,839 Yeah. As we as you're listening to this, 187 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:54,519 if you listen to them as soon as 188 00:06:54,519 --> 00:06:56,539 we release them, because I'm sure you do, 189 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:58,379 then it's coming up in 190 00:06:59,399 --> 00:07:00,839 a few weeks. That was that's not a 191 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,254 threat. If it is after 11/04/2025, 192 00:07:03,254 --> 00:07:04,774 then it's out there right now. Go get 193 00:07:04,774 --> 00:07:06,615 it. Yes. Exactly. Right. What have you been 194 00:07:06,615 --> 00:07:08,214 doing? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're doing great. 195 00:07:08,454 --> 00:07:10,555 Look at it. And if you're so inspired, 196 00:07:10,935 --> 00:07:13,574 write a review because we all need to 197 00:07:13,574 --> 00:07:15,415 know and the publisher needs to know. And 198 00:07:15,415 --> 00:07:17,490 I would like to know what was most 199 00:07:17,490 --> 00:07:18,949 meaningful for you, 200 00:07:19,730 --> 00:07:20,870 what what you enjoyed. 201 00:07:21,410 --> 00:07:21,810 And, 202 00:07:22,370 --> 00:07:24,129 if you don't have anything kind to say, 203 00:07:24,129 --> 00:07:25,430 then please don't write. 204 00:07:25,810 --> 00:07:28,209 Keep it to yourself. Thank you. Well I 205 00:07:28,209 --> 00:07:29,889 look forward to reading it, and and I 206 00:07:29,889 --> 00:07:32,125 I probably read and listen to it. I'll 207 00:07:32,125 --> 00:07:33,725 do all the above. All of it. Wow. 208 00:07:33,725 --> 00:07:35,165 Get it on the Kindle. Get the audio. 209 00:07:35,165 --> 00:07:37,165 The hearts. All all the Man. Are we 210 00:07:37,165 --> 00:07:39,245 looking at paper paperback at any point? Yes. 211 00:07:39,245 --> 00:07:41,985 That will be full forthcoming after the initial 212 00:07:42,044 --> 00:07:44,339 release. Sure. I'm getting them all. Okay. 213 00:07:44,819 --> 00:07:46,579 Well, that's a little weird. That's a little 214 00:07:46,579 --> 00:07:48,819 weird. Yeah. Yeah. That's good stuff. Okay. It 215 00:07:48,819 --> 00:07:50,339 is. Right? I'm sure it is good stuff. 216 00:07:50,500 --> 00:07:52,979 Stories, and they're they're top notch. Yeah. Mister 217 00:07:52,979 --> 00:07:55,459 mister president of the fan club. Thank you. 218 00:07:55,459 --> 00:07:57,479 Jeez. I've got the oldest fag. 219 00:07:59,574 --> 00:08:01,254 We'll talk about the swag. We've got the 220 00:08:01,254 --> 00:08:02,694 t shirt to them. We're working on the 221 00:08:02,694 --> 00:08:03,675 swag. Yeah. 222 00:08:05,335 --> 00:08:07,335 Nice. That's very exciting. Thank you very much, 223 00:08:07,335 --> 00:08:10,055 gentlemen. Back to mister Moore. Congratulations on that. 224 00:08:10,055 --> 00:08:11,895 Thank you. Yes. Let's talk about mister Moore 225 00:08:11,895 --> 00:08:13,439 now with the untranslatables. 226 00:08:13,980 --> 00:08:16,779 Alright. Very fascinating book Yeah. From which we've 227 00:08:16,779 --> 00:08:18,879 got this idea of talking about 228 00:08:19,339 --> 00:08:21,819 different cultural concepts that may or may not 229 00:08:21,819 --> 00:08:23,279 exist in different cultures. 230 00:08:23,580 --> 00:08:25,925 Right. Right. Right. And and I think and 231 00:08:25,925 --> 00:08:27,285 I think we'd spoke a little bit in 232 00:08:27,285 --> 00:08:29,764 the last episode about the idea that this 233 00:08:29,764 --> 00:08:32,644 is a these are human experiences. So these 234 00:08:32,644 --> 00:08:33,304 are not 235 00:08:33,764 --> 00:08:37,285 not necessarily result. Yeah. Right. So that if 236 00:08:37,605 --> 00:08:39,524 that you have them, you're part of it. 237 00:08:39,524 --> 00:08:40,024 But 238 00:08:40,460 --> 00:08:42,940 we we were mentioning maybe one of the 239 00:08:42,940 --> 00:08:45,040 reasons that some cultures have 240 00:08:45,899 --> 00:08:48,220 specific terms for these types of things and 241 00:08:48,220 --> 00:08:49,040 others don't. 242 00:08:49,580 --> 00:08:51,420 And what is that? And it could be 243 00:08:51,420 --> 00:08:53,865 that they recognize it more often. It's a 244 00:08:53,865 --> 00:08:56,345 priority for some reason. For some reason. Yes. 245 00:08:56,345 --> 00:08:58,985 And that's a culture. Sure. Right. So that's 246 00:08:58,985 --> 00:09:01,544 where I get fascinated by this. Mhmm. Mhmm. 247 00:09:01,544 --> 00:09:03,865 Yeah. Okay. And, like, with schadenfreude, you know, 248 00:09:03,865 --> 00:09:05,544 there could be I think in US culture, 249 00:09:05,544 --> 00:09:06,990 it's maybe fair to say that there might 250 00:09:06,990 --> 00:09:09,250 be feelings of guilt or shame around schadenfreude. 251 00:09:09,389 --> 00:09:11,629 So we don't we don't talk about that 252 00:09:11,629 --> 00:09:13,490 as much as opposed to, no. We're gonna 253 00:09:13,549 --> 00:09:15,389 just I'm not supposed to feel good at 254 00:09:15,389 --> 00:09:18,129 somebody else's expense. Right. And that's what schadenfreude 255 00:09:18,355 --> 00:09:20,535 Friday is. Which which is sounds very admirable, 256 00:09:20,914 --> 00:09:22,535 but to the point of denying 257 00:09:23,394 --> 00:09:25,394 it. Or Yeah. What is that about? Or 258 00:09:25,394 --> 00:09:29,014 feeling bad about feeling good about somebody's misfortune. 259 00:09:29,315 --> 00:09:31,875 Yeah. It's gets complicated. Feeling bad about feeling 260 00:09:31,875 --> 00:09:34,250 good about somebody's misfortune. Right? And it and 261 00:09:34,250 --> 00:09:36,009 like we talked about last episode, it's interesting 262 00:09:36,009 --> 00:09:38,409 that it has become more known in US 263 00:09:38,409 --> 00:09:41,449 American culture. I'm thinking, It has. Definitely. Yes. 264 00:09:41,610 --> 00:09:42,110 Is 265 00:09:42,889 --> 00:09:44,730 a term that I only really learned about 266 00:09:44,730 --> 00:09:46,894 in the last ten years or so. Mhmm. 267 00:09:46,894 --> 00:09:48,095 And I don't hear it a lot, but 268 00:09:48,095 --> 00:09:49,794 I've definitely heard it out there in English. 269 00:09:49,934 --> 00:09:52,095 There's been articles written about it. There are 270 00:09:52,095 --> 00:09:53,894 people who who pay attention to it quite 271 00:09:53,894 --> 00:09:55,054 a bit now. And that's a word that's 272 00:09:55,054 --> 00:09:57,315 in the book. It's it's Sure. Finnish word. 273 00:09:57,774 --> 00:09:59,215 And then I should just note, there's other 274 00:09:59,215 --> 00:10:00,654 words in the book that we have talked 275 00:10:00,654 --> 00:10:02,960 about at at length, like Yes. Lagom. 276 00:10:03,340 --> 00:10:05,419 Lagom. Which is Swedish term. And Yeah. Yeah. 277 00:10:05,500 --> 00:10:07,419 Wabi Sabi came up in our IKIGAI. Which 278 00:10:07,419 --> 00:10:08,940 is just too much fun to say right 279 00:10:08,940 --> 00:10:10,940 there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was a 280 00:10:10,940 --> 00:10:12,700 few episodes ago with Wabi Sabi and and 281 00:10:12,700 --> 00:10:14,894 the IKIGAI guy episode. Right. So we're not 282 00:10:14,894 --> 00:10:16,575 gonna talk about those because we already have. 283 00:10:16,575 --> 00:10:18,335 Sure. Sure. But there are other words that, 284 00:10:18,415 --> 00:10:20,355 we haven't talked about yet that are quite 285 00:10:20,415 --> 00:10:21,394 fascinating. Yeah. 286 00:10:21,774 --> 00:10:24,274 And there was this aspect of of 287 00:10:25,774 --> 00:10:26,789 of of schadenfreude 288 00:10:27,570 --> 00:10:29,490 that had a stickiness to it. So I 289 00:10:29,490 --> 00:10:32,370 think it allowed the word to migrate into 290 00:10:32,370 --> 00:10:35,009 English easily. Yeah. Not quite sure what what 291 00:10:35,009 --> 00:10:37,169 the essence of that stickiness is, but it 292 00:10:37,169 --> 00:10:39,009 does work, you know. It does work. Be 293 00:10:39,009 --> 00:10:41,514 a linguist to tell us that. Yeah. Yes. 294 00:10:41,514 --> 00:10:43,915 Maybe the the the connection between the German 295 00:10:43,915 --> 00:10:46,315 language and the English language. I Yeah. And 296 00:10:46,315 --> 00:10:48,075 there's quite a bit of connection. Yes. Quite 297 00:10:48,075 --> 00:10:48,735 a bit. 298 00:10:49,195 --> 00:10:51,035 But then I so so I'm thinking, okay. 299 00:10:51,035 --> 00:10:55,435 What what cultural concept described by a foreign 300 00:10:55,435 --> 00:10:55,935 word 301 00:10:56,710 --> 00:10:58,950 doesn't have that same kind of stickiness and 302 00:10:58,950 --> 00:10:59,450 therefore 303 00:10:59,830 --> 00:11:00,330 might 304 00:11:01,669 --> 00:11:03,850 might not allow it to migrate so easily. 305 00:11:03,990 --> 00:11:05,769 I think I I think that's an important 306 00:11:05,830 --> 00:11:07,769 part of that is going to be how 307 00:11:07,910 --> 00:11:11,584 easily we can maybe pronounce it. Exactly. Right. 308 00:11:11,584 --> 00:11:13,825 Yeah. I'm so sorry. Yeah. Immediately go to 309 00:11:13,825 --> 00:11:17,264 either Asian languages or French. Sure. Right? Because 310 00:11:17,264 --> 00:11:19,264 for an English speaker, French can be difficult, 311 00:11:19,264 --> 00:11:22,065 I think, in in terms of pronunciation. To 312 00:11:22,065 --> 00:11:24,179 to to pronounce it in any way that 313 00:11:24,179 --> 00:11:26,419 someone from France would understand what you're saying. 314 00:11:26,419 --> 00:11:28,740 Yes. And there was this, it's it's referenced 315 00:11:28,740 --> 00:11:29,799 in in the untranslatables, 316 00:11:30,580 --> 00:11:34,259 this marvelous French concept Uh-huh. For which they 317 00:11:34,259 --> 00:11:36,179 have a word or at least a term 318 00:11:36,259 --> 00:11:36,759 Okay. 319 00:11:37,644 --> 00:11:39,105 Esprit de l'escalier. 320 00:11:39,725 --> 00:11:42,044 It's it's more like a phrase than yeah. 321 00:11:42,044 --> 00:11:45,504 Yeah. The spirit of going down the stairs. 322 00:11:45,565 --> 00:11:48,044 Stairs. Okay. Sure. Stairs. Right? Yeah. I'm assuming 323 00:11:48,044 --> 00:11:50,850 it's not a phobia of walking downstairs. No. 324 00:11:50,850 --> 00:11:53,909 It is. And it's describing this concept which 325 00:11:54,370 --> 00:11:55,269 we can understand, 326 00:11:55,889 --> 00:11:57,649 but we have no word for it in 327 00:11:57,649 --> 00:12:00,690 English, and we have no no no term 328 00:12:00,690 --> 00:12:03,089 for it in English. Mhmm. In French, it 329 00:12:03,089 --> 00:12:03,589 means 330 00:12:04,565 --> 00:12:05,545 it's when you realize 331 00:12:06,085 --> 00:12:09,384 after having left the dinner party Mhmm. That 332 00:12:09,924 --> 00:12:12,085 there was something you really should have said 333 00:12:12,085 --> 00:12:12,985 in the moment, 334 00:12:13,365 --> 00:12:15,545 but you didn't have the words for it. 335 00:12:15,605 --> 00:12:18,230 And as you're walking down the stairs after 336 00:12:18,230 --> 00:12:20,169 the door closes behind you, 337 00:12:20,789 --> 00:12:22,649 it comes to you. You have that 338 00:12:22,950 --> 00:12:25,509 moment. Uh-huh. Yeah. I really should've said that 339 00:12:25,509 --> 00:12:27,990 was that witty remark I was looking for 340 00:12:27,990 --> 00:12:28,970 in the right way. 341 00:12:29,764 --> 00:12:31,284 But that, you know, there was just too 342 00:12:31,284 --> 00:12:33,524 much Beaujolais at the table, and I couldn't 343 00:12:33,524 --> 00:12:35,365 come up with it at the time. Right. 344 00:12:35,365 --> 00:12:38,264 I mean, that's so incredibly relatable. It's like, 345 00:12:38,404 --> 00:12:40,745 yeah. I feel that way all the time. 346 00:12:41,764 --> 00:12:44,004 It's a it it it's very much a, 347 00:12:44,404 --> 00:12:47,029 someone who's, well, maybe I'm gonna put it 348 00:12:47,029 --> 00:12:49,190 on teenagers, but I will say it may 349 00:12:49,190 --> 00:12:51,590 be at any age. Especially then. Especially then. 350 00:12:51,590 --> 00:12:53,910 Definitely. It's it's your teenage life. I mean, 351 00:12:53,910 --> 00:12:56,330 that really was just constant. Right. Oh, absolutely. 352 00:12:56,389 --> 00:12:57,910 Why didn't I say that? Oh, yeah. That 353 00:12:57,910 --> 00:12:59,110 would've been so much better. It was the 354 00:12:59,110 --> 00:13:01,414 wrong thing. Oh, it should yeah. And and 355 00:13:01,615 --> 00:13:03,294 but even through pretty much for the rest 356 00:13:03,294 --> 00:13:05,075 of your life, at any time when 357 00:13:05,454 --> 00:13:08,095 you're still when you're with someone you truly 358 00:13:08,095 --> 00:13:10,894 wish to to impress Right. That's what's in 359 00:13:10,894 --> 00:13:13,235 some form. Yeah. I think it's almost impossible 360 00:13:13,294 --> 00:13:15,919 to not suffer from this. Right. Just the 361 00:13:15,919 --> 00:13:19,440 whole idea of, I think, being witty about 362 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:20,399 something Yeah. 363 00:13:20,879 --> 00:13:24,480 About being in engaging your intellect to play 364 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,319 on to play with words, to play with 365 00:13:26,319 --> 00:13:28,100 concepts, to play with ideas 366 00:13:28,424 --> 00:13:30,125 so that it comes out as, 367 00:13:30,904 --> 00:13:33,804 something that's entertaining that people will enjoy. 368 00:13:34,424 --> 00:13:36,044 This is uniquely French. 369 00:13:36,584 --> 00:13:37,945 Yeah. That was gonna be my question is 370 00:13:37,945 --> 00:13:39,304 what so why do we think the French 371 00:13:39,304 --> 00:13:40,990 have this term and we don't have this 372 00:13:40,990 --> 00:13:42,910 term even though clearly it's a universal thing. 373 00:13:42,910 --> 00:13:45,309 Yeah. It be it's important in French culture 374 00:13:45,309 --> 00:13:46,290 to display 375 00:13:47,070 --> 00:13:47,570 the, 376 00:13:48,110 --> 00:13:51,389 creativity of your mind. Okay. And it's a 377 00:13:51,389 --> 00:13:52,370 priority. Uh-huh. 378 00:13:53,470 --> 00:13:56,975 Right. And the ability to do that quickly 379 00:13:57,195 --> 00:13:59,355 and and in a wonderful way, in a 380 00:13:59,355 --> 00:14:01,695 in in a charming way, in an entertaining 381 00:14:01,834 --> 00:14:03,995 way Not a show off way. Right. No. 382 00:14:03,995 --> 00:14:05,274 You don't do it in a show off 383 00:14:05,274 --> 00:14:07,115 way. You're kind of you're kind of just 384 00:14:07,115 --> 00:14:08,554 in Well, the best way your remarks, you 385 00:14:08,554 --> 00:14:10,950 just sort of throw off. Right? Exactly. Yeah. 386 00:14:10,950 --> 00:14:12,570 En natural. En natural. 387 00:14:12,950 --> 00:14:15,029 You just drop it in. Yes. We're we're 388 00:14:15,029 --> 00:14:16,470 making motions of what we are. We're throwing 389 00:14:16,470 --> 00:14:18,790 it off. We're rubbing our hands. Yes. That's 390 00:14:18,790 --> 00:14:20,870 the drop in motion. That's right. Yes. Yeah. 391 00:14:20,870 --> 00:14:22,889 Okay. There it is. Uh-huh. Just by then. 392 00:14:23,029 --> 00:14:25,215 There it is. How witty. Aren't I witty 393 00:14:25,215 --> 00:14:26,894 and and intelligent? And that's what you dream 394 00:14:26,894 --> 00:14:28,495 of after you walked away. You walked down 395 00:14:28,495 --> 00:14:30,174 the stairs going, but if only that happens. 396 00:14:30,174 --> 00:14:31,774 Right. This is when you kick yourself or 397 00:14:31,774 --> 00:14:33,134 you hit you hit your head with your 398 00:14:33,134 --> 00:14:35,375 hand. Yeah. Right. Oh, man. I wish I 399 00:14:35,375 --> 00:14:37,554 had thought of that. Right. It's that opposite 400 00:14:37,615 --> 00:14:39,294 of the of the time when you made 401 00:14:39,294 --> 00:14:41,590 that that witty phrase and the entire group 402 00:14:41,590 --> 00:14:43,190 of people you were talking to stared at 403 00:14:43,190 --> 00:14:44,710 you for. Oh, yeah. Well, that's what actually 404 00:14:44,710 --> 00:14:47,350 happens. And nothing happened. That's a reality. Right. 405 00:14:47,350 --> 00:14:48,409 Yeah. That's connected 406 00:14:48,789 --> 00:14:50,629 to another French phrase that you just made 407 00:14:50,629 --> 00:14:52,809 me think of. Oh. Okay. Yeah. Oftentimes 408 00:14:53,190 --> 00:14:55,225 at the dinner table or at the dinner 409 00:14:55,225 --> 00:14:58,264 party. Uh-huh. Yes. Sure. It's in French, it's 410 00:14:58,264 --> 00:15:00,444 referred to as, the moment of. 411 00:15:01,544 --> 00:15:04,504 Ange pass. Ange pass? Yes. When an angel 412 00:15:04,504 --> 00:15:05,004 passes 413 00:15:05,784 --> 00:15:08,834 across the table. Okay. Oh, when there's a 414 00:15:09,170 --> 00:15:10,529 but is that that or is that that 415 00:15:10,529 --> 00:15:12,290 just when everybody just sits there and no 416 00:15:12,290 --> 00:15:14,050 one has anything to say? We have that 417 00:15:14,050 --> 00:15:16,850 that's the point. Uh-huh. We in English, we 418 00:15:16,850 --> 00:15:19,590 don't have a word that defines that phenomenon. 419 00:15:19,730 --> 00:15:22,050 No. But in French, we do. Yeah. Interesting. 420 00:15:22,050 --> 00:15:23,625 Oh, I see what you're saying. Yes. Yes. 421 00:15:23,625 --> 00:15:24,745 So that's Okay. That's fine. But it's not 422 00:15:24,745 --> 00:15:26,504 driven by the person who would like me 423 00:15:26,504 --> 00:15:28,904 who have many times in my life managed 424 00:15:28,904 --> 00:15:30,424 to say something that I thought was going 425 00:15:30,424 --> 00:15:32,264 to be just wonderful. Mhmm. And the entire 426 00:15:32,264 --> 00:15:33,865 group looked at me like, what are you 427 00:15:33,865 --> 00:15:36,264 talking about? Yeah. It's slightly different. Yes. Because 428 00:15:36,264 --> 00:15:38,024 this is just a moment where no one 429 00:15:38,024 --> 00:15:39,565 has anything to add. Right. 430 00:15:40,450 --> 00:15:43,269 As opposed to an. Right. Okay. Yeah. 431 00:15:44,289 --> 00:15:46,769 Right. Right. Yeah. I just think I emphasized 432 00:15:46,769 --> 00:15:49,750 that they're bonmart. Yeah. Because bonmart. Yeah. 433 00:15:50,129 --> 00:15:51,509 Because you were trying 434 00:15:52,164 --> 00:15:53,144 with the bon mau 435 00:15:53,845 --> 00:15:56,884 to do something entertaining and waiting until I 436 00:15:56,884 --> 00:15:59,684 sure was trying. Oh, yes. Interesting. It didn't 437 00:15:59,684 --> 00:16:02,004 happen. It didn't work. No. Yeah. No. So 438 00:16:02,004 --> 00:16:04,404 that's the silence. That wasn't the sigh yes. 439 00:16:04,404 --> 00:16:06,779 That's not After a remark. After yeah. That's 440 00:16:06,779 --> 00:16:08,379 the sign of Crickets. Okay. So we kind 441 00:16:08,379 --> 00:16:10,620 of a term for that. I guess. Crickets. 442 00:16:10,620 --> 00:16:13,259 Yeah. Yeah. But For that. Yeah. Yeah. But 443 00:16:13,259 --> 00:16:15,899 it also for the thing after the facts. 444 00:16:15,899 --> 00:16:18,139 No. Which is not really interested. There's a 445 00:16:18,299 --> 00:16:20,804 in The United States, there's a memory among 446 00:16:20,804 --> 00:16:23,384 certain people. There's a memory of the Algonquin 447 00:16:23,524 --> 00:16:27,205 round table Mhmm. Where these very witty writers 448 00:16:27,205 --> 00:16:29,924 mainly, but but other people used to meet, 449 00:16:30,165 --> 00:16:32,404 at the Algonquin Hotel in New York That's 450 00:16:32,404 --> 00:16:33,554 right. Regularly. 451 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:35,480 Sort of as a club, it was kind 452 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,399 of unofficial, I believe, but they nevertheless, they 453 00:16:37,399 --> 00:16:39,080 were there all the time. And these were 454 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,879 people who were very smart and very quick 455 00:16:41,879 --> 00:16:44,600 and very witty. Right. And they would and 456 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:46,920 and basically, while they were there at that 457 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:48,200 table That's what it was about. That was 458 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:49,904 the game. Yeah. That was the total game. 459 00:16:50,085 --> 00:16:52,965 The balls. Yeah. And and that's that can 460 00:16:52,965 --> 00:16:54,884 be very hard for people. I mean, to 461 00:16:54,965 --> 00:16:57,365 if you're around that without That would strike 462 00:16:57,365 --> 00:17:00,004 many, I think, in The US culture as 463 00:17:00,004 --> 00:17:02,345 elitist. Elitist. Right. And, unfortunately, 464 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,000 that attitude can be that there's a negative 465 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,240 aspect to it. Yes. Oh, sure. And as 466 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,440 opposed to saying, well, good for you. Yeah. 467 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:11,059 You know? 468 00:17:11,599 --> 00:17:14,799 Precisely. Yeah. Right. I think to your point, 469 00:17:14,799 --> 00:17:17,039 Tom, and thanks for bringing that up, it 470 00:17:17,039 --> 00:17:17,859 really illustrates 471 00:17:18,304 --> 00:17:20,704 the fact that all cultures have this tension 472 00:17:20,704 --> 00:17:23,365 between these things. Yeah. Oh, sure. Just some 473 00:17:23,505 --> 00:17:25,525 less with a more defined 474 00:17:25,904 --> 00:17:28,544 priority on one side and some more, you 475 00:17:28,544 --> 00:17:31,044 know, with less less defined priority. 476 00:17:31,450 --> 00:17:33,130 I mean, in The US, there is this 477 00:17:33,130 --> 00:17:36,509 very powerful stream of of anti intellectualism. 478 00:17:37,210 --> 00:17:39,690 Yes. Right? And it's always been there. And 479 00:17:39,690 --> 00:17:41,529 every now and then, it gets tapped and 480 00:17:41,529 --> 00:17:42,029 becomes 481 00:17:42,650 --> 00:17:44,410 Yeah. Very influential. When was the last time 482 00:17:44,410 --> 00:17:45,710 that happened, Dean? Exactly. 483 00:17:46,224 --> 00:17:47,204 Like, maybe now. 484 00:17:50,065 --> 00:17:50,565 Now. 485 00:17:53,424 --> 00:17:55,105 So if you go to other cultures that 486 00:17:55,105 --> 00:17:57,744 are completely different that are not necessarily anti 487 00:17:57,744 --> 00:17:58,884 intellectual or 488 00:17:59,424 --> 00:18:01,125 or not even individualistic, 489 00:18:02,329 --> 00:18:04,570 then you see some really different kinds of 490 00:18:04,570 --> 00:18:07,930 behaviors that and words for those behaviors that 491 00:18:07,930 --> 00:18:09,309 we don't have 492 00:18:09,930 --> 00:18:12,670 in our culture. Okay. Sure. I'm thinking, 493 00:18:13,369 --> 00:18:15,950 in let's go to Asia. I'm thinking of 494 00:18:16,755 --> 00:18:20,035 in China, and and again, Christopher Moore raises 495 00:18:20,035 --> 00:18:21,335 this term in his book. 496 00:18:21,875 --> 00:18:24,934 He's talking about the very, very powerful 497 00:18:25,474 --> 00:18:25,974 concept 498 00:18:26,595 --> 00:18:27,335 of Guanxi. 499 00:18:28,035 --> 00:18:30,615 Guanxi. Guanxi. Guanxi. Okay. Mandarin. 500 00:18:31,075 --> 00:18:31,575 Okay. 501 00:18:32,170 --> 00:18:34,490 Probably not pronouncing it as best I should. 502 00:18:34,490 --> 00:18:35,470 I think the transliteration 503 00:18:36,330 --> 00:18:38,349 for that is g U A 504 00:18:39,049 --> 00:18:41,789 N x I. X I? Right. Guanshi. Guanshi. 505 00:18:42,250 --> 00:18:42,830 Guanshi. Guanshi. Guanshi. Guanshi. Guanshi. 506 00:18:43,769 --> 00:18:46,009 Guanshi could be simplified into one word almost, 507 00:18:46,009 --> 00:18:46,509 obligations. 508 00:18:47,684 --> 00:18:48,184 Obligations 509 00:18:48,484 --> 00:18:51,065 toward? The obligations that individuals 510 00:18:51,444 --> 00:18:52,984 have toward one another. 511 00:18:53,924 --> 00:18:56,724 Oh. And now, again, universal. We all have 512 00:18:56,724 --> 00:18:58,804 this. Well, we all have them kinda based 513 00:18:58,804 --> 00:18:59,700 in our yes. 514 00:19:00,179 --> 00:19:02,179 We we just all have certain levels of 515 00:19:02,179 --> 00:19:03,559 obligations. But Guanche 516 00:19:03,940 --> 00:19:06,419 has been so powerful and so it's such 517 00:19:06,419 --> 00:19:07,159 a fundamental 518 00:19:07,619 --> 00:19:09,159 aspect of Chinese culture 519 00:19:09,779 --> 00:19:12,359 for so long. We're talking about five thousand 520 00:19:12,419 --> 00:19:16,304 years. Mhmm. Deeply ingrained. Deeply, deeply ingrained. 521 00:19:17,085 --> 00:19:19,484 And while there's less of it today and 522 00:19:19,484 --> 00:19:19,984 certainly, 523 00:19:21,085 --> 00:19:23,804 the government has made real efforts to try 524 00:19:23,804 --> 00:19:24,464 to minimize 525 00:19:25,325 --> 00:19:27,105 Oh. The impact of Guanchi. 526 00:19:27,804 --> 00:19:30,470 It's a very, very long struggle. So this 527 00:19:30,470 --> 00:19:30,970 is 528 00:19:31,509 --> 00:19:34,090 a one on one person to person type 529 00:19:34,470 --> 00:19:35,289 of obligation. 530 00:19:35,670 --> 00:19:37,049 Yes. So basically, 531 00:19:37,350 --> 00:19:39,670 back in the day, going back 5,000 532 00:19:39,830 --> 00:19:41,714 Yeah. Think about what the world was like 533 00:19:41,714 --> 00:19:43,634 then. No. I remember it well. I'm sure 534 00:19:43,634 --> 00:19:44,294 you do. 535 00:19:45,554 --> 00:19:47,714 Sorry. I couldn't help it. Before there was 536 00:19:47,714 --> 00:19:49,654 currency, before there was regulations, 537 00:19:49,954 --> 00:19:52,434 before there was communication, before you know, where 538 00:19:52,434 --> 00:19:55,394 everybody was basically a farmer and and and 539 00:19:55,714 --> 00:19:57,759 but living with each other, there was certain 540 00:19:57,820 --> 00:20:00,539 urban life as well. Yep. The idea that 541 00:20:00,539 --> 00:20:02,880 in order to get anything done Mhmm. 542 00:20:03,340 --> 00:20:05,740 I'm gonna do for you, and therefore, you're 543 00:20:05,740 --> 00:20:07,200 gonna do something for me. 544 00:20:07,820 --> 00:20:11,115 So social contract. So it's kinda Sure. So 545 00:20:11,115 --> 00:20:13,755 the beginning of a social contract, but or 546 00:20:13,755 --> 00:20:15,434 you could say, you know, I scratch your 547 00:20:15,434 --> 00:20:17,835 back, you scratch mine. Sure. Yeah. But here's 548 00:20:17,835 --> 00:20:18,815 the difference. Favors. 549 00:20:19,274 --> 00:20:21,674 Yeah. That's why. So powerful because there wasn't 550 00:20:21,674 --> 00:20:23,755 anything else you could rely on. Right. It's 551 00:20:23,755 --> 00:20:27,820 currency. It became currency. Literally currency before there 552 00:20:27,820 --> 00:20:30,640 was currency. Kind of a bartering of favors. 553 00:20:30,700 --> 00:20:32,539 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it didn't I like 554 00:20:32,539 --> 00:20:33,980 that. Bartering of favors may be my next 555 00:20:33,980 --> 00:20:36,220 book. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And it didn't have 556 00:20:36,220 --> 00:20:36,799 to be 557 00:20:37,100 --> 00:20:39,259 you did this, so I'll do this for 558 00:20:39,259 --> 00:20:42,024 you. No. It was you did this for 559 00:20:42,024 --> 00:20:44,684 me, so I'll do that for you. 560 00:20:45,144 --> 00:20:45,964 In other words, 561 00:20:46,345 --> 00:20:48,904 it wasn't I'm doing the same thing back 562 00:20:48,904 --> 00:20:52,505 to you. Oh. It's whatever you need me 563 00:20:52,505 --> 00:20:55,210 to do, I will do because when I 564 00:20:55,210 --> 00:20:57,930 needed you to do something for me, you 565 00:20:57,930 --> 00:20:58,430 did. 566 00:20:59,529 --> 00:21:01,849 Okay. A favor. So You know, I there 567 00:21:01,930 --> 00:21:03,930 yeah. I do I do recall. I actually 568 00:21:04,009 --> 00:21:06,170 I was we were talking about something about 569 00:21:06,170 --> 00:21:08,115 this. So it's it's hold you just for 570 00:21:08,115 --> 00:21:10,615 a second. I'm holding. It's not tit for 571 00:21:10,674 --> 00:21:12,994 it's not tit for tit. It's tit for 572 00:21:12,994 --> 00:21:14,295 tat. Oh. Oh. 573 00:21:15,315 --> 00:21:15,815 Oh. 574 00:21:16,835 --> 00:21:19,075 You can quote about that. I really you 575 00:21:19,075 --> 00:21:21,089 know, right there is where he said that's 576 00:21:21,089 --> 00:21:22,609 when I'm gonna be going down the stairs 577 00:21:22,609 --> 00:21:24,369 and I'm gonna go, oh, I should've said 578 00:21:24,369 --> 00:21:25,509 that. That was great. 579 00:21:25,890 --> 00:21:27,809 I I had to say because I didn't 580 00:21:27,809 --> 00:21:29,809 want it to be in esprit de the 581 00:21:29,809 --> 00:21:31,190 desiccaille pour moi. 582 00:21:31,970 --> 00:21:33,434 People are going, did he say it's not 583 00:21:33,515 --> 00:21:35,275 tit for tit? Yeah. Yeah. I think so. 584 00:21:35,275 --> 00:21:36,894 Yes. He did. He did say that. 585 00:21:37,835 --> 00:21:38,335 Sorry. 586 00:21:38,715 --> 00:21:40,394 Yeah. Well, you know, that would be okay 587 00:21:40,394 --> 00:21:41,275 too. I mean 588 00:21:42,634 --> 00:21:44,095 Boo how. Boo how. 589 00:21:44,555 --> 00:21:45,295 Not good. 590 00:21:45,835 --> 00:21:47,855 Not good. No. Mandarin. Not good. Okay. Well, 591 00:21:47,995 --> 00:21:49,055 you Is there 592 00:21:49,490 --> 00:21:51,650 a You define good your way. I'll define 593 00:21:51,650 --> 00:21:53,890 it. I liked it. I liked it. I'm 594 00:21:53,890 --> 00:21:55,809 sorry. You were about to say something. I 595 00:21:55,809 --> 00:21:57,670 have no idea. Who knows? 596 00:21:58,769 --> 00:22:00,450 So but it's not a it's not a 597 00:22:00,450 --> 00:22:02,769 climbing thing. It's not like, if I give 598 00:22:02,769 --> 00:22:04,210 you this, then if if you gave me 599 00:22:04,210 --> 00:22:06,565 this or you did this for me, now 600 00:22:06,565 --> 00:22:08,724 I have to do even more for you. 601 00:22:08,724 --> 00:22:10,664 No. You have to do showing up. Equal. 602 00:22:11,125 --> 00:22:13,525 It has to be the same. Okay. It 603 00:22:13,525 --> 00:22:15,444 could be more. But you owe that person 604 00:22:15,444 --> 00:22:18,345 and is there a time where that expires? 605 00:22:18,644 --> 00:22:22,109 Never. Never. Okay. Okay. There is not a 606 00:22:22,109 --> 00:22:24,948 forgiveness of it at any time. It becomes 607 00:22:24,948 --> 00:22:27,787 a tally sheet, an accounting sheet. Really? Life's 608 00:22:27,787 --> 00:22:31,335 accounting sheet Sure. With whomever you're doing business 609 00:22:31,335 --> 00:22:34,505 with or have any kind of activity with 610 00:22:34,825 --> 00:22:37,964 Uh-huh. Any kind of life life reason to 611 00:22:38,105 --> 00:22:39,325 to be with each other. 612 00:22:40,105 --> 00:22:41,085 And it becomes 613 00:22:41,464 --> 00:22:42,284 because you 614 00:22:43,065 --> 00:22:45,384 you did this for me, now I need 615 00:22:45,384 --> 00:22:45,884 something. 616 00:22:46,220 --> 00:22:48,059 And it might not be the same thing 617 00:22:48,059 --> 00:22:49,599 that I did for you, 618 00:22:50,220 --> 00:22:52,400 but you're gonna have to. You're obligated 619 00:22:52,779 --> 00:22:54,880 now to do what I need 620 00:22:55,500 --> 00:22:57,820 this time. It's going to be considered it 621 00:22:57,900 --> 00:23:00,240 it's gotta be considered a an actual, 622 00:23:01,544 --> 00:23:03,224 trade off of a say of a certain 623 00:23:03,224 --> 00:23:05,544 level. The lifetime piece is real. The value 624 00:23:05,544 --> 00:23:07,724 has to be equal, at least equal, 625 00:23:08,505 --> 00:23:10,184 but it doesn't have to be the same 626 00:23:10,184 --> 00:23:10,684 thing. 627 00:23:11,224 --> 00:23:14,184 So if you came to me and needed 628 00:23:14,184 --> 00:23:15,164 to borrow money, 629 00:23:15,519 --> 00:23:17,619 and next time I needed something, 630 00:23:18,559 --> 00:23:20,720 I would never ask, you know, ask for 631 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,039 it back, but you're obligated now to do 632 00:23:23,039 --> 00:23:24,720 whatever it is that I need you to 633 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,599 do. And it may not be borrowing money. 634 00:23:27,599 --> 00:23:29,460 Maybe something else. Sure. 635 00:23:29,759 --> 00:23:32,315 And but it has to be equally important. 636 00:23:32,694 --> 00:23:34,875 Yeah. Yes. And and and can be valuable. 637 00:23:35,095 --> 00:23:37,414 Okay. So so to me, that lifetime element 638 00:23:37,414 --> 00:23:39,755 really takes it up enough. That's interesting. Yeah. 639 00:23:39,815 --> 00:23:41,974 I'm just I'm I'm And and the giving 640 00:23:41,974 --> 00:23:44,454 of the gifts also Yeah. You know, works 641 00:23:44,454 --> 00:23:44,954 in 642 00:23:45,414 --> 00:23:46,634 both ways because 643 00:23:47,470 --> 00:23:48,289 we might 644 00:23:49,070 --> 00:23:49,809 say something 645 00:23:50,509 --> 00:23:53,230 with the intent, we being westerners Yeah. With 646 00:23:53,230 --> 00:23:54,210 the intent of 647 00:23:54,590 --> 00:23:55,570 giving a compliment 648 00:23:55,950 --> 00:23:56,690 in China. 649 00:23:56,990 --> 00:23:58,430 Mhmm. And so, 650 00:23:58,830 --> 00:24:01,005 if I were invited to someone's home, let's 651 00:24:01,005 --> 00:24:02,845 say, and I was sitting and I noticed 652 00:24:02,845 --> 00:24:04,625 in in the room, there was a beautiful, 653 00:24:05,325 --> 00:24:07,904 Chinese vase in the corner. Mhmm. 654 00:24:09,005 --> 00:24:11,244 And I admire it, and I voice my 655 00:24:11,244 --> 00:24:11,744 admiration. 656 00:24:12,125 --> 00:24:14,384 And I say, oh, that's a beautiful vase 657 00:24:14,605 --> 00:24:15,424 in the corner. 658 00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:18,170 That vase might show up in a bag 659 00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:20,569 at the end of the dinner table Sure. 660 00:24:20,789 --> 00:24:23,049 At with the insistence that I take it. 661 00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:25,369 Mhmm. And then I open the bag 662 00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:27,429 when I get home and I realize it's 663 00:24:27,429 --> 00:24:28,089 the vase. 664 00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:28,890 Mhmm. 665 00:24:29,509 --> 00:24:31,450 And what this has done 666 00:24:31,934 --> 00:24:34,575 is it is it has made one sheet. 667 00:24:34,575 --> 00:24:36,194 You're right. Now you have the obligation. 668 00:24:36,575 --> 00:24:38,034 I have the ongoing process. 669 00:24:38,414 --> 00:24:40,894 Right. Sure. Wow. Right. Well, and it's I'm 670 00:24:40,894 --> 00:24:43,054 I'm gonna read some words from Christopher Moore 671 00:24:43,054 --> 00:24:43,875 on the untranslatables. 672 00:24:45,740 --> 00:24:48,880 Christopher writes a sentence that maybe because of 673 00:24:49,099 --> 00:24:52,700 this unspoken obligation that exists, people people often 674 00:24:52,700 --> 00:24:54,859 try to refuse gifts because sooner or later, 675 00:24:54,859 --> 00:24:56,220 they may have to repay the debt. So 676 00:24:56,220 --> 00:24:57,884 they're trying not to get in, it sounds 677 00:24:57,884 --> 00:24:59,265 like. Yeah. Exact 678 00:24:59,884 --> 00:25:02,045 exactly. The other element of Guanche that I 679 00:25:02,045 --> 00:25:04,464 think is really important to understand is that 680 00:25:04,924 --> 00:25:06,065 it is obligations 681 00:25:07,085 --> 00:25:08,865 and traditionally, historically, 682 00:25:09,164 --> 00:25:11,664 has been obligations at the exclusion 683 00:25:13,409 --> 00:25:15,349 of so many other things. 684 00:25:15,889 --> 00:25:17,269 In other words, the obligation 685 00:25:17,730 --> 00:25:21,490 is what takes priority above Oh. Everything else. 686 00:25:21,490 --> 00:25:24,389 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So the the struggle 687 00:25:24,769 --> 00:25:25,244 in, 688 00:25:25,644 --> 00:25:28,285 historically that China has had to institute a 689 00:25:28,684 --> 00:25:31,404 to create a society of rules and laws 690 00:25:31,765 --> 00:25:32,845 Yeah. And, 691 00:25:33,484 --> 00:25:36,285 and processes that can be depended upon by 692 00:25:36,285 --> 00:25:37,585 everybody Mhmm. 693 00:25:38,204 --> 00:25:40,224 Is really the story of overcoming 694 00:25:40,980 --> 00:25:41,480 the 695 00:25:41,940 --> 00:25:44,039 obligations that existed before 696 00:25:44,740 --> 00:25:46,839 that in the in the older days 697 00:25:47,140 --> 00:25:48,200 between individuals. 698 00:25:48,660 --> 00:25:50,919 That's gotta be incredibly hard. Incredibly 699 00:25:51,220 --> 00:25:54,099 hard. Yeah. And that these Guang Xi based 700 00:25:54,099 --> 00:25:54,599 obligations 701 00:25:54,900 --> 00:25:55,720 take priority 702 00:25:56,179 --> 00:25:57,994 above everything Yeah. 703 00:25:58,434 --> 00:25:59,855 Including government fiat. 704 00:26:00,554 --> 00:26:02,474 So Beijing says this is the way things 705 00:26:02,474 --> 00:26:04,234 are gonna be done in China around x 706 00:26:04,234 --> 00:26:06,095 y z, whatever it is, but but 707 00:26:06,394 --> 00:26:08,954 but everywhere else in Shanghai and Guangzhou and 708 00:26:08,954 --> 00:26:11,275 and and and some little village in in 709 00:26:11,275 --> 00:26:11,775 Xinjiang, 710 00:26:12,599 --> 00:26:15,400 Everybody's doing it differently because they've got these 711 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:16,299 personal obligations 712 00:26:16,759 --> 00:26:20,059 Yeah. That is this essence and the fundamental 713 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,119 basis of everyday life. Right. Interesting. Independent of 714 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,759 these rules that are coming from Beijing 3,000 715 00:26:26,759 --> 00:26:28,059 miles away. Right. Right. 716 00:26:33,934 --> 00:26:35,934 Okay. So that's a that's a term that's 717 00:26:35,934 --> 00:26:37,315 coming out of a collectivism, 718 00:26:37,615 --> 00:26:40,275 it sounds like, with there's an exclusionary element 719 00:26:40,335 --> 00:26:41,775 as part of that. And I think there's 720 00:26:41,775 --> 00:26:42,994 another term in the book. 721 00:26:44,059 --> 00:26:45,259 Well, you'll you'll tell us what it was. 722 00:26:45,259 --> 00:26:47,259 I'm forgetting right now. But, that also was 723 00:26:47,259 --> 00:26:49,579 tied into a collectivist culture that maybe was 724 00:26:49,579 --> 00:26:50,400 more inclusionary, 725 00:26:50,779 --> 00:26:52,700 I think, if I'm if I'm thinking of 726 00:26:52,700 --> 00:26:53,980 right now. Good way to phrase it. I 727 00:26:53,980 --> 00:26:56,299 think. Is it? Oh, good. I think so. 728 00:26:56,299 --> 00:26:58,539 Are you referring to Ubuntu? Oh, that's it. 729 00:26:58,539 --> 00:27:01,375 Yeah. Ubuntu. Yeah. Now we're going to South 730 00:27:01,375 --> 00:27:01,875 Africa. 731 00:27:02,494 --> 00:27:02,994 Okay. 732 00:27:03,855 --> 00:27:06,414 And not just the Republic Of South Africa, 733 00:27:06,414 --> 00:27:09,934 but other nations in South Southern Africa. Of 734 00:27:09,934 --> 00:27:11,714 South Africa as well. Uh-huh. 735 00:27:12,779 --> 00:27:15,419 Ubuntu really talks about but it is it 736 00:27:15,419 --> 00:27:18,779 was it was seized upon by Desmond Tutu 737 00:27:18,779 --> 00:27:20,299 in the Republic Of South Africa 738 00:27:21,019 --> 00:27:22,880 in an effort to try to unite 739 00:27:23,339 --> 00:27:26,220 all the the very disparate people of the 740 00:27:26,220 --> 00:27:29,365 rainbow nation. Oh, yes. Right? Yeah. Okay. But 741 00:27:29,365 --> 00:27:30,744 it's based on this 742 00:27:31,045 --> 00:27:31,545 preexisting 743 00:27:32,565 --> 00:27:35,384 South African notion, cultural notion of 744 00:27:36,724 --> 00:27:37,625 no individual 745 00:27:38,085 --> 00:27:38,585 exists 746 00:27:39,445 --> 00:27:41,445 without the group of which they are a 747 00:27:41,445 --> 00:27:41,945 member. 748 00:27:42,990 --> 00:27:45,309 You cannot even you don't even have an 749 00:27:45,309 --> 00:27:46,609 individual identity. 750 00:27:46,990 --> 00:27:47,970 You are the group. 751 00:27:48,509 --> 00:27:49,869 You are a piece of the group and 752 00:27:49,869 --> 00:27:51,329 lead the group. The group 753 00:27:51,950 --> 00:27:54,109 your membership in the group is what gives 754 00:27:54,109 --> 00:27:55,089 you your identity. 755 00:27:55,484 --> 00:27:57,164 Sure. Now it doesn't mean you don't have 756 00:27:57,164 --> 00:27:58,304 individual personality 757 00:27:58,684 --> 00:28:00,224 and and all of that, 758 00:28:00,525 --> 00:28:02,924 but it does mean that in order to 759 00:28:02,924 --> 00:28:04,785 function in life Yeah. 760 00:28:05,565 --> 00:28:06,625 You must first 761 00:28:07,005 --> 00:28:08,065 take into consideration 762 00:28:08,444 --> 00:28:09,904 the fact that you are 763 00:28:10,339 --> 00:28:12,980 what you say, what you do is all 764 00:28:12,980 --> 00:28:14,200 the result of 765 00:28:14,900 --> 00:28:17,859 your membership in this larger group of other 766 00:28:17,859 --> 00:28:20,740 human beings. Okay. Okay. And I'm I'm looking 767 00:28:20,740 --> 00:28:23,115 again in Christopher Moore's book here, and I 768 00:28:23,355 --> 00:28:24,394 we should mention I don't know if we 769 00:28:24,394 --> 00:28:26,075 did. Like, one, she is Mandarin from the 770 00:28:26,075 --> 00:28:29,134 Mandarin language. Right. Buntu from the Bantu language, 771 00:28:29,195 --> 00:28:31,375 and it comes from a Zulu phrase, meaning 772 00:28:31,674 --> 00:28:33,755 a person is a person only through other 773 00:28:33,755 --> 00:28:35,835 people. Right. Right. Does that make perfect sense, 774 00:28:35,835 --> 00:28:37,595 Claudia, what you're saying? And and I you 775 00:28:37,595 --> 00:28:38,095 know, 776 00:28:38,579 --> 00:28:40,900 to say that phrase to, let's say, a 777 00:28:40,900 --> 00:28:42,339 US American Mhmm. 778 00:28:42,740 --> 00:28:43,480 Almost sounds 779 00:28:44,500 --> 00:28:45,000 impossible. 780 00:28:45,619 --> 00:28:46,919 And ridiculous. Like 781 00:28:47,220 --> 00:28:49,059 like Almost, you know, to the well, why 782 00:28:49,059 --> 00:28:50,819 would I be that way? Why? Because of 783 00:28:50,819 --> 00:28:51,880 the independent 784 00:28:53,355 --> 00:28:54,335 person concept 785 00:28:54,634 --> 00:28:56,555 in in The US. Whether that's true or 786 00:28:56,555 --> 00:28:58,555 a myth is another story that we've talked 787 00:28:58,555 --> 00:29:00,335 about in previous podcasts. But 788 00:29:00,634 --> 00:29:03,195 but it's a but nevertheless, absolutely, that's how 789 00:29:03,195 --> 00:29:05,195 they're gonna look at it. And yet and 790 00:29:05,195 --> 00:29:05,695 yet 791 00:29:06,269 --> 00:29:08,670 what do we do? We join groups Well, 792 00:29:08,670 --> 00:29:10,910 right. And we identify with those groups. I 793 00:29:10,910 --> 00:29:12,830 will say for me personally, when I hear 794 00:29:12,830 --> 00:29:14,930 that, as a US American myself, 795 00:29:15,710 --> 00:29:17,710 I feel two things going on at the 796 00:29:17,710 --> 00:29:20,049 same time when I'm thinking about Ubuntu. 797 00:29:20,414 --> 00:29:21,795 Right? I'm feeling 798 00:29:22,174 --> 00:29:22,994 that I wanna 799 00:29:23,375 --> 00:29:26,255 almost rebel against that idea of a person 800 00:29:26,255 --> 00:29:27,934 is a person only through other people. Right? 801 00:29:27,934 --> 00:29:29,695 There's that element of, like, no. I'm an 802 00:29:29,695 --> 00:29:30,195 individual. 803 00:29:30,654 --> 00:29:32,255 And then another part of me that goes, 804 00:29:32,255 --> 00:29:34,880 oh, this concept of common humanity and we're 805 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,359 all one, that's very appealing. Right? So, yeah, 806 00:29:37,359 --> 00:29:39,440 both are both are happening. Yeah. I think 807 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,640 US Americans can identify with the idea, but 808 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:43,779 very hard to 809 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,660 translate and implement into day to day life 810 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,660 because we're rewarded for individual 811 00:29:49,134 --> 00:29:49,954 decision making 812 00:29:51,134 --> 00:29:51,634 and 813 00:29:52,815 --> 00:29:53,315 individualism. 814 00:29:55,134 --> 00:29:57,775 Maybe it becomes the difference or the importance 815 00:29:57,775 --> 00:29:59,954 of this idea comes clearer when 816 00:30:00,335 --> 00:30:02,434 I think about some of the experiences 817 00:30:03,134 --> 00:30:03,634 that 818 00:30:04,119 --> 00:30:04,940 I've heard 819 00:30:05,559 --> 00:30:07,559 from folks who are trying to, let's say, 820 00:30:07,559 --> 00:30:10,619 do business in South Africa or in in 821 00:30:10,759 --> 00:30:13,159 just about anywhere in Africa Yeah. Because this 822 00:30:13,159 --> 00:30:13,659 concept 823 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,599 is is pretty universal and very strong throughout 824 00:30:16,599 --> 00:30:17,259 the continent. 825 00:30:18,085 --> 00:30:20,485 But it is from the from the South 826 00:30:20,485 --> 00:30:22,184 African Southern African region. 827 00:30:23,365 --> 00:30:24,585 The idea that 828 00:30:25,205 --> 00:30:26,025 just because 829 00:30:26,325 --> 00:30:29,205 you come with an with something of value 830 00:30:29,205 --> 00:30:29,865 to someone 831 00:30:31,109 --> 00:30:33,109 doesn't mean that you're gonna be able to 832 00:30:33,109 --> 00:30:35,049 do what you wanna do unless 833 00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:38,089 unless there's a role for everybody 834 00:30:38,390 --> 00:30:39,049 in it. 835 00:30:40,069 --> 00:30:40,569 Okay. 836 00:30:40,869 --> 00:30:43,289 And every so the whole village, 837 00:30:44,204 --> 00:30:46,065 starting with the village always, 838 00:30:46,605 --> 00:30:48,525 the whole village has to be taken care 839 00:30:48,525 --> 00:30:51,724 of. Mhmm. And the the and all of 840 00:30:51,724 --> 00:30:53,825 the villages that are part of the larger 841 00:30:55,164 --> 00:30:57,269 tribe need to be taken care of, and 842 00:30:57,269 --> 00:30:59,690 all of the tribes within the larger nation 843 00:30:59,830 --> 00:31:01,289 have to be taken care of. 844 00:31:01,990 --> 00:31:03,769 And that's what determines 845 00:31:04,150 --> 00:31:06,549 your ability to do what you wanna do. 846 00:31:06,549 --> 00:31:07,049 Mhmm. 847 00:31:08,309 --> 00:31:09,990 Mhmm. See, again, when you say that, I'm 848 00:31:09,990 --> 00:31:11,369 going, that sounds lovely, 849 00:31:11,674 --> 00:31:14,315 and I don't, you know, that's hard to 850 00:31:14,315 --> 00:31:14,815 imagine, 851 00:31:15,835 --> 00:31:17,775 you know, really actualizing 852 00:31:18,154 --> 00:31:20,095 in my life. Right? Where 853 00:31:20,474 --> 00:31:22,714 every every you know, everyone's being taken care 854 00:31:22,714 --> 00:31:24,474 of. Well, it's just the the idea. It's 855 00:31:24,474 --> 00:31:26,654 almost the opposite in The US where 856 00:31:28,529 --> 00:31:29,429 let's target 857 00:31:30,130 --> 00:31:32,450 who's gonna benefit from this. So again, in 858 00:31:32,450 --> 00:31:34,769 group, out group. And yeah. That's who you're 859 00:31:34,769 --> 00:31:36,789 in group, out group. And and just 860 00:31:37,250 --> 00:31:39,349 just focus on that because 861 00:31:39,805 --> 00:31:41,805 the more focused you can be to your 862 00:31:41,805 --> 00:31:44,924 demo or to your in group Right. Or 863 00:31:44,924 --> 00:31:47,105 to or to your audience, 864 00:31:48,125 --> 00:31:50,365 the more success you're gonna have. Right. It's 865 00:31:50,365 --> 00:31:53,025 getting Gee, that sounds polarizing, doesn't it? 866 00:31:53,339 --> 00:31:54,559 Yeah. You know? 867 00:31:54,859 --> 00:31:56,779 I've I've have we ever had that experience 868 00:31:56,779 --> 00:31:58,160 in this country? Never. 869 00:31:59,179 --> 00:32:02,160 Never. Wow. No. That's very interesting. Very interesting. 870 00:32:02,539 --> 00:32:04,059 Yeah. And so I think, you know, you 871 00:32:04,059 --> 00:32:06,079 have a word for it in South Africa, 872 00:32:06,460 --> 00:32:08,204 and we don't have a word for it. 873 00:32:08,204 --> 00:32:10,044 Right. Not really. We don't. Nope. Nope. And 874 00:32:10,044 --> 00:32:11,724 it's interesting. I I will say I worked 875 00:32:11,724 --> 00:32:13,644 for many years ago now, maybe ten or 876 00:32:13,644 --> 00:32:15,164 more years ago now. I worked for an 877 00:32:15,164 --> 00:32:17,904 organization where Ubuntu was cited as 878 00:32:18,365 --> 00:32:20,845 one of the values of the organization. And 879 00:32:20,845 --> 00:32:22,789 again so again, it was cited as this 880 00:32:22,789 --> 00:32:25,509 is we aspire to this. Right? That's really 881 00:32:25,509 --> 00:32:26,950 the only time I've come across it in 882 00:32:26,950 --> 00:32:28,549 in a US culture. And was it and 883 00:32:28,549 --> 00:32:31,029 it was a US American organization? Yeah. They're 884 00:32:31,029 --> 00:32:33,109 gonna really have a struggle trying to find 885 00:32:33,109 --> 00:32:34,890 a way to implement that. Yeah. 886 00:32:35,785 --> 00:32:39,144 Because nothing about that really fundamentally, I think, 887 00:32:39,144 --> 00:32:39,805 is valued. 888 00:32:40,664 --> 00:32:43,005 Mhmm. Mhmm. Mhmm. Well, 889 00:32:43,865 --> 00:32:46,744 that on that cheering note There's always yeah. 890 00:32:46,744 --> 00:32:48,265 Things you know, that it's like with the 891 00:32:48,265 --> 00:32:49,865 witty remark. It's like you want you walk 892 00:32:49,865 --> 00:32:50,460 away and you 893 00:32:51,259 --> 00:32:53,339 wanna change it. That wasn't the bon mot 894 00:32:53,339 --> 00:32:54,640 I was reaching for. 895 00:32:56,380 --> 00:32:57,980 Well, don't trip on your way down the 896 00:32:57,980 --> 00:33:00,319 stairs. Alright. That's the that's the key here. 897 00:33:00,539 --> 00:33:02,399 I've already tripped down the stairs. 898 00:33:02,859 --> 00:33:03,679 Very interesting. 899 00:33:04,005 --> 00:33:06,724 Very interesting. Alright. Well, thank you. That was, 900 00:33:06,884 --> 00:33:09,125 great. And by the way, thank you, Christopher 901 00:33:09,125 --> 00:33:11,384 j Moore. We I think we might, 902 00:33:12,404 --> 00:33:14,825 look for more of that book. 903 00:33:16,005 --> 00:33:16,505 Wordplay. 904 00:33:17,204 --> 00:33:17,704 Wordplay. 905 00:33:19,220 --> 00:33:21,380 And if you want more wonderful wordplay, in 906 00:33:21,380 --> 00:33:23,859 addition to this podcast, read Dean's book. Dean's 907 00:33:23,859 --> 00:33:26,500 book. This is the author's November 4. November 908 00:33:26,500 --> 00:33:28,259 4. Have not 2025, 909 00:33:28,259 --> 00:33:30,259 if you have not or this is after 910 00:33:30,259 --> 00:33:30,759 that, 911 00:33:31,424 --> 00:33:32,945 get your little tush out there. Just get 912 00:33:32,945 --> 00:33:35,285 it. Yeah. What's it named again, Dean? 913 00:33:35,664 --> 00:33:37,205 Business Beyond Borders, 914 00:33:37,904 --> 00:33:40,625 Stories, Tales, and Lessons Learned from Working in 915 00:33:40,625 --> 00:33:43,125 a 100 Cultures Around the World. Great. 916 00:33:44,305 --> 00:33:46,325 And, you know, book form, ebook. 917 00:33:46,980 --> 00:33:49,220 Audio. Kindle. Audio. Yep. Kindle. Do it all 918 00:33:49,220 --> 00:33:51,220 at once. Play the audio while you're reading 919 00:33:51,220 --> 00:33:54,259 it. Yep. Right. Absolutely. Whatever whatever makes it. 920 00:33:54,259 --> 00:33:56,019 And listen, I as we've said, if you're 921 00:33:56,019 --> 00:33:58,420 listening to this, you gotta eat this book 922 00:33:58,420 --> 00:34:00,579 up. Oh, yeah. Because because, you know, I 923 00:34:00,579 --> 00:34:01,765 think you'll love this, so you're gonna love 924 00:34:01,765 --> 00:34:03,605 it. Absolutely. And you're gonna be listening to 925 00:34:03,605 --> 00:34:06,244 me rattle on and rattle on and rattle 926 00:34:06,244 --> 00:34:07,304 on. You know? 927 00:34:08,085 --> 00:34:09,385 We know that's your thing. 928 00:34:10,005 --> 00:34:11,864 There he go. He has left the building. 929 00:34:12,005 --> 00:34:13,385 Well, he just floated away. 930 00:34:14,164 --> 00:34:16,425 Like an angel. An orange pot. Passing over. 931 00:34:16,485 --> 00:34:16,985 Yes. 932 00:34:17,309 --> 00:34:17,809 We 933 00:34:18,670 --> 00:34:21,070 well, I don't know about that. Okay. Well, 934 00:34:21,070 --> 00:34:23,890 not a Stretching the definition of angel. Definitely. 935 00:34:24,190 --> 00:34:25,469 Oh, culture of hell is that in the 936 00:34:25,469 --> 00:34:27,869 civil war? Yes. Oh, the Passover. Yeah. Oh, 937 00:34:27,869 --> 00:34:28,369 yeah. 938 00:34:30,355 --> 00:34:32,355 Mark the door. The angel of death. Yes. 939 00:34:32,355 --> 00:34:33,894 Alright. There you go. 940 00:34:35,474 --> 00:34:37,875 Well, thank you, Dean Foster. Thank you, Tom 941 00:34:37,875 --> 00:34:40,755 Peterson. And thank you, Torin. Thank you both. 942 00:34:40,755 --> 00:34:42,355 For your work today. And thank you, dear 943 00:34:42,355 --> 00:34:43,555 listener. And, 944 00:34:43,875 --> 00:34:45,715 we hope you've learned something because, 945 00:34:46,130 --> 00:34:46,949 after all, 946 00:34:48,210 --> 00:34:48,710 oops. 947 00:34:49,329 --> 00:34:50,710 Your culture's showing. 948 00:34:51,890 --> 00:34:52,710 Smell you. 949 00:35:02,585 --> 00:35:04,585 Before you run off and disappear back into 950 00:35:04,585 --> 00:35:05,724 your own cultures, 951 00:35:06,264 --> 00:35:08,344 let me give you some information about something 952 00:35:08,344 --> 00:35:10,344 we really want you to know, and that's 953 00:35:10,344 --> 00:35:12,204 how to get hold of us. 954 00:35:12,744 --> 00:35:15,864 Give us your questions, your comments, anything along 955 00:35:15,864 --> 00:35:16,684 those lines 956 00:35:16,984 --> 00:35:17,724 by email. 957 00:35:18,179 --> 00:35:18,679 It's 958 00:35:19,699 --> 00:35:22,280 oopscultureshow@gmail.com. 959 00:35:22,579 --> 00:35:24,659 And be sure to follow us on whatever 960 00:35:24,659 --> 00:35:28,280 social media you use at oops culture show. 961 00:35:28,659 --> 00:35:29,159 Thanks.