1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,799 You sneezed, Tor, and Yeah. That reminded me 2 00:00:02,799 --> 00:00:04,740 that, you know, we all automatically, 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:06,819 in this room anyway, say 4 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:08,660 Right. 5 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:11,219 Salud. Uh-huh. 6 00:00:12,559 --> 00:00:15,404 God bless you. Mhmm. Right? So in Western 7 00:00:15,404 --> 00:00:18,864 cultures, there's this thing about if somebody sneezes, 8 00:00:19,005 --> 00:00:21,405 you say something to, like, get rid of 9 00:00:21,405 --> 00:00:21,905 the 10 00:00:22,524 --> 00:00:25,244 the bad health that that might represent in 11 00:00:25,244 --> 00:00:27,824 some way. The salute is health. Health. Yeah. 12 00:00:27,885 --> 00:00:29,265 Right. Yeah. But 13 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,840 is that universal? Are there other cultures where 14 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:34,759 we do the same thing? I can think 15 00:00:34,759 --> 00:00:37,079 of a bunch of cultures where nobody says 16 00:00:37,079 --> 00:00:41,079 anything. Yet everybody, the human condition, is that 17 00:00:41,079 --> 00:00:43,725 we all sneeze. Yeah. Many animals sneeze. And 18 00:00:43,725 --> 00:00:46,304 that's such a metaphor for what culture does. 19 00:00:46,604 --> 00:00:49,244 You know, we're all capable of all of 20 00:00:49,244 --> 00:00:51,164 the human behaviors that we talk about in 21 00:00:51,164 --> 00:00:54,125 this show all the time. Yeah. Everybody's capable 22 00:00:54,125 --> 00:00:55,424 of it, and everybody 23 00:00:56,450 --> 00:00:58,789 displays these things at some point. 24 00:00:59,250 --> 00:01:00,629 But does our culture 25 00:01:00,929 --> 00:01:02,390 reward us for it? 26 00:01:02,770 --> 00:01:03,750 Does our culture 27 00:01:04,049 --> 00:01:06,849 emphasize it? Is it important in our culture? 28 00:01:06,849 --> 00:01:08,390 And that's where culture 29 00:01:09,015 --> 00:01:11,255 starts to have a real effect. And I'm 30 00:01:11,255 --> 00:01:14,695 guessing that really influences language and what words 31 00:01:14,695 --> 00:01:17,895 are created and used regularly versus words that 32 00:01:17,895 --> 00:01:19,734 maybe just don't come up or don't even 33 00:01:19,734 --> 00:01:21,930 have there's not really a word for that 34 00:01:22,010 --> 00:01:24,810 concept in that. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And and 35 00:01:24,810 --> 00:01:27,049 and and I think that's a fascinating thing. 36 00:01:27,049 --> 00:01:28,650 We were gonna talk we're gonna talk about 37 00:01:28,650 --> 00:01:31,450 that Oh, okay. Today? Yes. Today. Because this 38 00:01:31,450 --> 00:01:31,950 is 39 00:01:32,650 --> 00:01:34,924 Oops. Oops. Your culture 40 00:01:42,584 --> 00:01:45,064 show. You're Dean Foster. Oh, I am Dean 41 00:01:45,625 --> 00:01:47,965 thank you. Thank you. I am Dean Foster. 42 00:01:48,104 --> 00:01:48,765 You are. 43 00:01:49,099 --> 00:01:50,319 And I'm Tom Peterson. 44 00:01:50,780 --> 00:01:53,099 Right. Hi, Tom Peterson. Yes. I'm Dean Foster. 45 00:01:53,099 --> 00:01:55,579 And and Torin's with us here. I'm Torin. 46 00:01:55,579 --> 00:01:58,060 Hi. I'm our illustrious producer. Always good to 47 00:01:58,060 --> 00:01:59,899 have you in studio. Yes. Thank you. You 48 00:01:59,899 --> 00:02:01,099 as well. Both of you. 49 00:02:02,379 --> 00:02:04,984 And all of you listening at home. Okay. 50 00:02:05,125 --> 00:02:06,405 They're not in the studio. What am I 51 00:02:06,405 --> 00:02:07,625 talking about? Now I'm nauseous. 52 00:02:08,324 --> 00:02:10,344 Now we're selling Pepsi then. 53 00:02:11,525 --> 00:02:12,025 But 54 00:02:12,405 --> 00:02:15,625 I'm interrupting this, podcast right here. 55 00:02:16,084 --> 00:02:18,344 And, I'm interrupting it because, 56 00:02:18,884 --> 00:02:19,384 I'm 57 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,740 proud to to announce that that my 58 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:24,900 good friend and accomplished, 59 00:02:26,319 --> 00:02:27,060 the accomplished 60 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:29,939 co host of this podcast 61 00:02:30,719 --> 00:02:34,000 is just finished writing and doing the audio 62 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,485 portion of a brand new book. Ah, Tom. 63 00:02:37,485 --> 00:02:39,344 Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for that. 64 00:02:39,965 --> 00:02:41,485 I'm I'm glad to be able to talk 65 00:02:41,485 --> 00:02:43,085 about it. Good. Well, let's talk about it 66 00:02:43,085 --> 00:02:44,444 a little bit. Yeah. Okay. Thanks. So what 67 00:02:44,444 --> 00:02:46,444 the heck is this book, and why are 68 00:02:46,444 --> 00:02:48,525 you writing it? Yeah. Okay. That is a 69 00:02:48,525 --> 00:02:49,585 really good question. 70 00:02:50,284 --> 00:02:52,849 And I through going through the entire process 71 00:02:52,849 --> 00:02:53,990 of writing a book, 72 00:02:54,370 --> 00:02:56,689 that is the ultimate question that's always out 73 00:02:56,689 --> 00:02:58,370 there. At least it was in my mind. 74 00:02:58,370 --> 00:02:59,969 You know, why are we doing this? What 75 00:02:59,969 --> 00:03:02,530 is the the reason for the book? For 76 00:03:02,530 --> 00:03:03,030 me, 77 00:03:03,564 --> 00:03:04,625 this was the, 78 00:03:05,245 --> 00:03:07,905 this was gonna be my sixth book, and 79 00:03:08,204 --> 00:03:09,644 all my books have had to do with 80 00:03:09,644 --> 00:03:10,144 culture. 81 00:03:11,004 --> 00:03:13,805 My first book, Bargaining Across Borders, was about 82 00:03:13,805 --> 00:03:14,625 how cultures 83 00:03:15,164 --> 00:03:17,884 change the negotiation process. So when you're doing 84 00:03:17,884 --> 00:03:19,909 business and negotiating business 85 00:03:21,009 --> 00:03:22,069 in different cultures, 86 00:03:22,530 --> 00:03:24,069 you're gonna have to do it differently 87 00:03:24,530 --> 00:03:25,830 in order to be successful. 88 00:03:26,610 --> 00:03:29,090 And then my other the the follow-up four 89 00:03:29,090 --> 00:03:32,050 books were the global etiquette guides. There's a 90 00:03:32,050 --> 00:03:33,590 global etiquette guide to 91 00:03:33,915 --> 00:03:36,014 Asia, global etiquette guide to, 92 00:03:36,555 --> 00:03:38,314 Africa and The Middle East, a global etiquette 93 00:03:38,314 --> 00:03:39,915 guide to Europe, and a global etiquette guide 94 00:03:39,915 --> 00:03:40,974 to Latin America. 95 00:03:41,514 --> 00:03:43,675 And in each book, these were kinda like 96 00:03:43,675 --> 00:03:45,534 how to, dos, and don'ts, 97 00:03:45,835 --> 00:03:47,969 the things you need to know about when 98 00:03:47,969 --> 00:03:50,650 you do business in countries in these different 99 00:03:50,650 --> 00:03:51,150 regions. 100 00:03:52,169 --> 00:03:54,330 And it's gonna be different in every country. 101 00:03:54,330 --> 00:03:56,650 So we try to cover as many of 102 00:03:56,650 --> 00:03:57,870 the important topics 103 00:03:58,330 --> 00:04:00,009 in a kind of dos and don'ts kind 104 00:04:00,009 --> 00:04:00,669 of way. 105 00:04:01,689 --> 00:04:03,694 When you're doing when you're 106 00:04:04,155 --> 00:04:06,155 doing running meetings in China, do it this 107 00:04:06,155 --> 00:04:08,074 way. But in the other book, it'll tell 108 00:04:08,074 --> 00:04:09,754 you if you're running that same meeting in 109 00:04:09,754 --> 00:04:11,514 Brazil, it's gotta be done a little bit 110 00:04:11,514 --> 00:04:14,155 differently. Yeah. Super important. So what the heck? 111 00:04:14,155 --> 00:04:15,995 Why So why do we need another book? 112 00:04:15,995 --> 00:04:17,759 And, you know, when because I'm already tired 113 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,240 listening to you. So I went I went 114 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:21,759 to my agent. I said, I gotta write 115 00:04:21,759 --> 00:04:24,400 another book. Okay. I I wanna write another 116 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,319 book. It's been a while. It's been too 117 00:04:26,319 --> 00:04:29,120 long, actually Yeah. Since I had my last 118 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:29,860 book out. 119 00:04:30,194 --> 00:04:32,354 And we're talking about a span of twenty 120 00:04:32,354 --> 00:04:33,095 five years 121 00:04:33,714 --> 00:04:34,154 Really? 122 00:04:34,595 --> 00:04:36,034 From the first book to now. Oh, I 123 00:04:36,034 --> 00:04:38,534 see. Sure. And yeah. So 124 00:04:38,834 --> 00:04:40,594 so I needed a new book. I mean, 125 00:04:40,594 --> 00:04:42,914 just from a business perspective, I needed to 126 00:04:42,914 --> 00:04:46,180 be saying something new and different Right. Because 127 00:04:46,180 --> 00:04:46,899 the whole 128 00:04:47,300 --> 00:04:49,539 yeah. Because the whole field of culture has 129 00:04:49,539 --> 00:04:52,199 changed. The nature of understanding culture, 130 00:04:53,139 --> 00:04:55,639 when attempting to do business in other countries 131 00:04:56,099 --> 00:04:56,839 is different. 132 00:04:57,860 --> 00:04:58,519 And, fundamentally, 133 00:04:58,899 --> 00:04:59,720 I felt like 134 00:05:00,055 --> 00:05:02,454 I wasn't gonna be repeating what I wanted 135 00:05:02,615 --> 00:05:04,854 what I've already said. And when I said 136 00:05:04,854 --> 00:05:07,175 that to my agent about, like, let's let's 137 00:05:07,175 --> 00:05:08,154 do another book, 138 00:05:08,615 --> 00:05:10,375 she said to me the logical thing. She 139 00:05:10,375 --> 00:05:12,454 said, well, you've said everything that needs to 140 00:05:12,454 --> 00:05:15,574 be said. So you're in competition with yourself. 141 00:05:15,574 --> 00:05:17,009 Right. Exactly. And 142 00:05:17,389 --> 00:05:19,790 unless you come up with something else about 143 00:05:19,790 --> 00:05:22,669 culture, you've already said it. Yeah. And, of 144 00:05:22,669 --> 00:05:24,669 course, she was right, and and she threw 145 00:05:24,669 --> 00:05:27,310 the challenge down at me. And my first 146 00:05:27,310 --> 00:05:28,769 reaction to that was, 147 00:05:29,949 --> 00:05:30,449 well, 148 00:05:31,125 --> 00:05:33,685 I did not, in my first books, talk 149 00:05:33,685 --> 00:05:36,485 about all of the wonderful stories that have 150 00:05:36,485 --> 00:05:38,564 happened to me over the last thirty five 151 00:05:38,564 --> 00:05:41,305 years. Sure. Yeah. When I do a presentation, 152 00:05:42,165 --> 00:05:44,345 I use those stories. Yeah. Because 153 00:05:44,970 --> 00:05:47,210 because I love telling stories, and people love 154 00:05:47,210 --> 00:05:48,730 to hear stories. And I think the only 155 00:05:48,730 --> 00:05:49,949 way you really learn 156 00:05:50,650 --> 00:05:53,290 is through stories. Yeah. Absolutely. Yes. You can 157 00:05:53,290 --> 00:05:54,810 you can read a do or a don't 158 00:05:55,050 --> 00:05:56,589 Yep. A a rule, 159 00:05:57,704 --> 00:05:58,685 you know, a recommendation, 160 00:05:59,305 --> 00:06:01,464 but it's not the same thing as hearing 161 00:06:01,464 --> 00:06:03,245 about somebody's experience 162 00:06:03,704 --> 00:06:05,865 and what they learned from it. Right. That 163 00:06:05,865 --> 00:06:07,805 really resonates. Yeah. And 164 00:06:08,185 --> 00:06:10,444 I've never really written that down 165 00:06:10,904 --> 00:06:11,564 on paper. 166 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:14,959 It's not really in my books. It's in 167 00:06:14,959 --> 00:06:16,800 my presentations. I stand up and I do 168 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:18,160 a keynote, and I talk about this. And 169 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,160 in this podcast. Yeah. And in this podcast, 170 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,100 thank you very much. Right. Exactly. 171 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,639 And that's where real learning takes place, I 172 00:06:24,639 --> 00:06:26,319 think. It does. Or at least it's a 173 00:06:26,319 --> 00:06:28,414 start for real learning. Yeah. It's also much 174 00:06:28,414 --> 00:06:30,974 more fun. Right. That's probably one of the 175 00:06:30,974 --> 00:06:33,714 reasons why easier for people to absorb 176 00:06:34,414 --> 00:06:36,974 and and relate to when it's in a 177 00:06:36,974 --> 00:06:39,694 story form. Exactly. So I said, I don't 178 00:06:39,694 --> 00:06:41,615 wanna write I'm not looking to write another 179 00:06:41,615 --> 00:06:42,540 how to book, 180 00:06:43,020 --> 00:06:44,860 or be in competition with what I've already 181 00:06:44,860 --> 00:06:47,680 said. Mhmm. I do wanna tell my stories. 182 00:06:48,620 --> 00:06:51,040 And then I thought more about it, and 183 00:06:51,500 --> 00:06:53,439 I realized also that because 184 00:06:53,740 --> 00:06:56,139 the whole idea of working with culture has 185 00:06:56,139 --> 00:06:58,774 changed over these the last thirty five years 186 00:06:58,774 --> 00:07:00,314 since I've been doing this work, 187 00:07:01,735 --> 00:07:03,735 I have to talk about it differently. The 188 00:07:03,735 --> 00:07:06,214 world is different now from the way it 189 00:07:06,214 --> 00:07:08,634 was when I first wrote those books. Okay. 190 00:07:09,014 --> 00:07:11,355 There's a question of validity, first of all. 191 00:07:11,959 --> 00:07:13,740 If what I said about Brazil 192 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:15,100 thirty years ago, 193 00:07:16,199 --> 00:07:18,040 it's logical to say, wait a minute. Is 194 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:19,019 that still correct? 195 00:07:19,399 --> 00:07:22,600 Sure. You know? Brazil's changed. Mhmm. What we 196 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:23,660 said about China 197 00:07:24,185 --> 00:07:26,664 and Chinese culture and the things you needed 198 00:07:26,664 --> 00:07:28,584 to know if you were doing business in 199 00:07:28,584 --> 00:07:31,785 China, the China of thirty years ago Right. 200 00:07:31,865 --> 00:07:35,245 Is very different today. Yeah. Yeah. Right? So 201 00:07:35,704 --> 00:07:37,650 if the at the very least, we gotta 202 00:07:37,650 --> 00:07:39,490 go back to these books and update some 203 00:07:39,490 --> 00:07:41,910 of this information, make sure they're valid. 204 00:07:42,449 --> 00:07:44,790 Talk about culture in a way where, 205 00:07:45,650 --> 00:07:47,830 it we're dealing with it in the present 206 00:07:47,889 --> 00:07:51,705 world, which is now a global world. Mhmm. 207 00:07:51,705 --> 00:07:53,625 As opposed to the way we were dealing 208 00:07:53,625 --> 00:07:55,145 with it or at least I was dealing 209 00:07:55,145 --> 00:07:58,185 with it then in my previous books, which 210 00:07:58,185 --> 00:08:00,345 was we were writing about culture in a 211 00:08:00,345 --> 00:08:03,625 world that was becoming global but had not 212 00:08:03,625 --> 00:08:06,125 yet gotten there. Yeah. Right? 213 00:08:06,569 --> 00:08:10,409 So Ahmed in Saudi, for example. Right? He 214 00:08:10,409 --> 00:08:11,229 grows up. 215 00:08:11,610 --> 00:08:13,769 He's Saudi. He knows how to do business 216 00:08:13,769 --> 00:08:14,829 in Saudi Arabia. 217 00:08:15,289 --> 00:08:18,250 Everything about him, it it works. Right? And 218 00:08:18,250 --> 00:08:19,709 and in Saudi Arabia. 219 00:08:20,064 --> 00:08:22,064 But he's also spent his summers at his 220 00:08:22,064 --> 00:08:22,564 daddy's 221 00:08:22,944 --> 00:08:23,925 house in London. 222 00:08:24,384 --> 00:08:25,524 He's gone to, 223 00:08:25,904 --> 00:08:29,185 UCLA for his master's degree. Mhmm. Right? And 224 00:08:29,185 --> 00:08:30,805 he's got a job now working, 225 00:08:31,504 --> 00:08:34,465 in Riyadh, in Saudi Arabia for a global 226 00:08:34,465 --> 00:08:38,230 company. Right. Mhmm. Right? So this is the 227 00:08:38,230 --> 00:08:39,210 person now, 228 00:08:39,830 --> 00:08:42,470 the Saudi of today Yeah. That we're gonna 229 00:08:42,470 --> 00:08:43,769 be doing business with. 230 00:08:44,309 --> 00:08:46,230 So can we say that the things that 231 00:08:46,230 --> 00:08:49,004 we said about working in Saudi culture thirty 232 00:08:49,004 --> 00:08:51,345 five years ago are valid for Ahmed? 233 00:08:52,205 --> 00:08:54,764 Mhmm. Absolutely not. No. We can't. Right? Yeah. 234 00:08:54,764 --> 00:08:57,804 It's completely different. Yep. And and that means 235 00:08:57,804 --> 00:09:00,365 that we also have to understand that what 236 00:09:00,365 --> 00:09:03,059 we said back then about culture was not 237 00:09:03,059 --> 00:09:03,720 a predictor 238 00:09:04,740 --> 00:09:08,419 of individual behavior because Ahmed's gonna behave very 239 00:09:08,419 --> 00:09:08,919 differently 240 00:09:09,620 --> 00:09:12,500 when he's with a a Saudi colleague than 241 00:09:12,500 --> 00:09:15,014 when he's with you and me. Sure. Yeah. 242 00:09:15,014 --> 00:09:15,995 Two two Westerners. 243 00:09:16,295 --> 00:09:18,774 Absolutely. Right? Yes. Because he's capable of that. 244 00:09:18,774 --> 00:09:20,695 He knows the he knows the rules. He 245 00:09:20,695 --> 00:09:22,075 can he can do the switch. 246 00:09:22,615 --> 00:09:24,955 And so that means that I have to 247 00:09:25,669 --> 00:09:27,909 understand that working in the global world now 248 00:09:27,909 --> 00:09:30,629 is different. Mhmm. Yeah. And I can't save 249 00:09:30,629 --> 00:09:33,289 it just because I understand Russian culture. Therefore, 250 00:09:33,350 --> 00:09:35,829 all Russians are gonna behave a b c. 251 00:09:35,829 --> 00:09:38,970 Sure. It's not valid anymore. Sure. But understanding 252 00:09:39,429 --> 00:09:40,089 the basis 253 00:09:40,684 --> 00:09:43,985 and the impact that Russian culture has on 254 00:09:44,204 --> 00:09:45,345 my Russian colleagues, 255 00:09:45,884 --> 00:09:48,845 definitely still important. Mhmm. So there are lots 256 00:09:48,845 --> 00:09:50,445 of reasons why I needed to write this 257 00:09:50,445 --> 00:09:52,924 book. Okay. I wanted to tell stories, and 258 00:09:52,924 --> 00:09:55,019 I wanted to talk about culture from a 259 00:09:55,259 --> 00:09:58,379 the world now being global as opposed to 260 00:09:58,379 --> 00:10:01,679 the world then, which was becoming global. Mhmm. 261 00:10:01,740 --> 00:10:03,179 Makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Yeah. It 262 00:10:03,179 --> 00:10:05,740 really does. Yeah. So I sat down and 263 00:10:05,740 --> 00:10:07,440 started to write a book. Okay. 264 00:10:07,899 --> 00:10:09,704 And And you got there. Yeah. And I 265 00:10:09,704 --> 00:10:11,384 started to think, okay. So I wanna do 266 00:10:11,384 --> 00:10:11,884 stories. 267 00:10:13,065 --> 00:10:15,304 What kind of stories will tell all of 268 00:10:15,304 --> 00:10:16,204 that? Yeah. 269 00:10:16,584 --> 00:10:18,424 And some of my stories told them better 270 00:10:18,424 --> 00:10:20,825 than others. Some of my stories, I I 271 00:10:21,065 --> 00:10:23,259 were like, I I wanna write I wanna 272 00:10:23,259 --> 00:10:25,040 tell the story that was relevant 273 00:10:25,740 --> 00:10:26,240 to, 274 00:10:26,700 --> 00:10:28,639 most people who are reading the book. 275 00:10:29,019 --> 00:10:30,960 So some stories that were, I think, 276 00:10:31,340 --> 00:10:34,620 funny for me or useful or important for 277 00:10:34,620 --> 00:10:35,120 me, 278 00:10:36,134 --> 00:10:37,675 Maybe they weren't really that 279 00:10:38,055 --> 00:10:40,134 gonna be that important to the reader. Right. 280 00:10:40,134 --> 00:10:40,634 Okay. 281 00:10:41,415 --> 00:10:44,055 So they got put on the shelf. Mhmm. 282 00:10:44,055 --> 00:10:46,455 And maybe that'll be in the second edition. 283 00:10:46,455 --> 00:10:48,535 Mhmm. You know? Or the next Okay. Well, 284 00:10:48,535 --> 00:10:50,634 a little tease there for a follow-up. 285 00:10:51,449 --> 00:10:52,429 Yeah. Thursday. Yeah. 286 00:10:52,809 --> 00:10:54,970 So, so I had to sort through which 287 00:10:54,970 --> 00:10:57,449 stories are gonna be useful here. Yeah. And 288 00:10:57,449 --> 00:10:59,769 as I sorted through my stories, I found 289 00:10:59,769 --> 00:11:00,829 myself gravitating 290 00:11:01,529 --> 00:11:04,865 to the stories that that had that worked 291 00:11:04,865 --> 00:11:07,284 with the smallest nugget of culture 292 00:11:08,225 --> 00:11:09,605 and were able to 293 00:11:09,904 --> 00:11:10,404 illustrate 294 00:11:11,024 --> 00:11:14,625 the biggest impact that culture has. Uh-huh. Okay. 295 00:11:14,625 --> 00:11:15,924 And a lot of those stories, 296 00:11:17,259 --> 00:11:19,299 a lot of them had a business element 297 00:11:19,299 --> 00:11:21,379 to them, but many of them were as 298 00:11:21,379 --> 00:11:22,199 simple as 299 00:11:22,899 --> 00:11:23,959 what I remember 300 00:11:24,820 --> 00:11:26,500 my first story in the book, which became 301 00:11:26,500 --> 00:11:30,579 chapter one, is about walking into the dining 302 00:11:30,579 --> 00:11:32,825 room in Pondicherry, India 303 00:11:33,205 --> 00:11:34,825 for breakfast one morning 304 00:11:35,284 --> 00:11:36,024 and ordering 305 00:11:36,485 --> 00:11:37,225 a croissant. 306 00:11:38,485 --> 00:11:39,384 Yeah. And 307 00:11:39,845 --> 00:11:42,245 the implication that that has and I don't 308 00:11:42,245 --> 00:11:44,565 wanna give it away now. No. Right? No. 309 00:11:44,565 --> 00:11:46,269 No. No. No. Because you gotta go out 310 00:11:46,269 --> 00:11:47,409 and buy the book. Okay. 311 00:11:47,870 --> 00:11:50,209 But the implication that that has for anybody 312 00:11:50,429 --> 00:11:51,970 doing business in India 313 00:11:52,509 --> 00:11:53,009 Sure. 314 00:11:53,309 --> 00:11:55,169 Trying to order a Western 315 00:11:56,029 --> 00:11:56,529 dish 316 00:11:57,325 --> 00:11:58,065 in a 317 00:11:58,445 --> 00:12:00,144 French influenced city 318 00:12:00,924 --> 00:12:01,904 in India 319 00:12:02,284 --> 00:12:04,705 and having to take into all those considerations 320 00:12:05,084 --> 00:12:07,644 Yeah. Of how India's changed and Yeah. How 321 00:12:07,644 --> 00:12:10,125 the fundamentals of Indian culture are still there. 322 00:12:10,125 --> 00:12:13,159 However, what does this mean for you doing 323 00:12:13,159 --> 00:12:15,799 business there? Right. Mhmm. Right. And I found 324 00:12:15,799 --> 00:12:18,860 myself gravitating to those kinds of small stories 325 00:12:19,639 --> 00:12:22,139 because I think Nice. These kinds of events 326 00:12:22,934 --> 00:12:25,254 happen far more frequently in most people's lives. 327 00:12:25,254 --> 00:12:27,735 Yes. Absolutely. Yes. Definitely. You know, we all 328 00:12:27,735 --> 00:12:29,414 live for the big story, and every now 329 00:12:29,414 --> 00:12:30,875 and then, the big story happens. 330 00:12:31,335 --> 00:12:31,835 But 331 00:12:32,215 --> 00:12:34,054 most of the time, we can find these 332 00:12:34,054 --> 00:12:35,995 influences of culture in 333 00:12:36,490 --> 00:12:39,050 every in just the smallest of details. I 334 00:12:39,050 --> 00:12:41,129 think there's an important aspect to that in 335 00:12:41,129 --> 00:12:43,550 that people with the big stories. 336 00:12:44,250 --> 00:12:44,750 People 337 00:12:45,050 --> 00:12:48,009 may recognize them, may remember them, if they 338 00:12:48,009 --> 00:12:49,930 have any familiarity with, in your case, a 339 00:12:49,930 --> 00:12:52,605 different culture at all. They may see that, 340 00:12:52,605 --> 00:12:54,865 but they are not necessarily 341 00:12:55,245 --> 00:12:58,365 taking real part in that. Right. They were 342 00:12:58,365 --> 00:13:01,264 an observer of those stories. But And yet 343 00:13:01,804 --> 00:13:02,784 in their lives, 344 00:13:03,179 --> 00:13:05,339 there's all these smaller stories like you're talking 345 00:13:05,339 --> 00:13:07,980 about where they are participants. If you go 346 00:13:07,980 --> 00:13:10,059 to India and check into a hotel, there's 347 00:13:10,059 --> 00:13:12,379 likelihood that you might be able to order 348 00:13:12,379 --> 00:13:14,539 a croissant for breakfast and there are things 349 00:13:14,539 --> 00:13:16,559 you need to know about what's gonna happen. 350 00:13:16,779 --> 00:13:17,279 Definitely. 351 00:13:17,580 --> 00:13:19,415 Yeah. It's much more likely you're going to 352 00:13:19,415 --> 00:13:21,335 do that than many of the other big 353 00:13:21,335 --> 00:13:23,254 stories we could really make. Exactly. And so 354 00:13:23,254 --> 00:13:26,455 the stories are are often around small events 355 00:13:26,615 --> 00:13:28,075 Yeah. With big implications. 356 00:13:28,695 --> 00:13:31,014 Nice. Okay. Okay. So then we were thinking 357 00:13:31,014 --> 00:13:33,179 about a title. What do we call this 358 00:13:33,659 --> 00:13:34,720 this this book? 359 00:13:35,339 --> 00:13:36,299 And and it was, 360 00:13:37,339 --> 00:13:37,839 well, 361 00:13:38,379 --> 00:13:41,179 the I have to say, titles are are 362 00:13:41,179 --> 00:13:43,419 are difficult things, not so much to come 363 00:13:43,419 --> 00:13:45,339 up with for me anyway. I can come 364 00:13:45,339 --> 00:13:47,279 up with a whole bunch of different possibilities, 365 00:13:47,985 --> 00:13:50,464 but they're difficult thing difficult pieces to get 366 00:13:50,464 --> 00:13:52,245 the publishers to agree on. 367 00:13:52,784 --> 00:13:55,105 Because the author's version of what the book 368 00:13:55,105 --> 00:13:57,585 should be Mhmm. Is often very different from 369 00:13:57,585 --> 00:13:58,485 what the publisher's 370 00:13:59,024 --> 00:14:01,600 goals are. Mhmm. The publisher wants to sell 371 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:03,840 books. Mhmm. Right? And thank God for that. 372 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:05,333 Yeah. Yeah. Because that's their job. Make you 373 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,379 them. Make it sneaky. Yeah. Yeah. 374 00:14:07,759 --> 00:14:09,919 So they wanna know what shelf do do 375 00:14:09,919 --> 00:14:10,419 people 376 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:12,559 what shelf will people go to if they 377 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:14,355 want this book? Where do we put this 378 00:14:14,355 --> 00:14:16,754 book Right. In the Okay. In the bookstore. 379 00:14:16,754 --> 00:14:18,915 Whether it's audience we're we're looking to we're 380 00:14:18,915 --> 00:14:21,795 targeting. Right. Yeah. Whether it's a physical bookstore 381 00:14:21,795 --> 00:14:23,394 or whether it's a virtual. Right? Yeah. 382 00:14:24,355 --> 00:14:27,720 So the publishers definitely wanted another business book. 383 00:14:28,679 --> 00:14:31,419 But, they were very intrigued about the idea 384 00:14:31,559 --> 00:14:33,339 of stories Yeah. And storytelling. 385 00:14:34,279 --> 00:14:37,480 And they liked my first book's title was 386 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,455 Bargaining Across Borders Okay. Which, by the way, 387 00:14:41,415 --> 00:14:43,335 it said what the book was about. It's 388 00:14:43,335 --> 00:14:45,595 about negotiating across cultures, 389 00:14:46,375 --> 00:14:49,654 bargaining across borders. But for another reason, I 390 00:14:49,654 --> 00:14:51,975 never really liked that title, honestly. Okay. 391 00:14:52,455 --> 00:14:55,269 Because I felt that using the word bargaining 392 00:14:55,329 --> 00:14:57,350 to as a replacement for negotiating 393 00:14:57,730 --> 00:14:58,709 Yeah. Limited 394 00:14:59,490 --> 00:15:01,829 the whole concept of negotiating, and 395 00:15:02,209 --> 00:15:03,829 and I felt that it kind 396 00:15:04,370 --> 00:15:06,470 of cheapened it a little bit. Yeah. 397 00:15:07,254 --> 00:15:09,654 It had kind of a pseudo alliteration to 398 00:15:09,654 --> 00:15:11,975 it, though. Well, the alliteration is what they 399 00:15:11,975 --> 00:15:13,174 like, because then I was trying to come 400 00:15:13,174 --> 00:15:14,475 up with a similar type 401 00:15:14,934 --> 00:15:17,654 alliteration for a different for a a newer 402 00:15:17,654 --> 00:15:19,514 title with the word negotiating. 403 00:15:20,339 --> 00:15:22,820 And I couldn't find that. Nothing. Yeah. Yeah. 404 00:15:22,820 --> 00:15:23,959 Negotiating across 405 00:15:25,860 --> 00:15:28,659 blah, what? Right? So I kept falling back 406 00:15:28,659 --> 00:15:31,299 to what the publisher wanted, which was Bargaining 407 00:15:31,299 --> 00:15:34,019 Across Borders, but it never was a 100% 408 00:15:34,019 --> 00:15:35,625 satisfactory for me. But 409 00:15:36,664 --> 00:15:38,504 my new publisher was saying, but that was 410 00:15:38,504 --> 00:15:40,105 a good title. It said what the book 411 00:15:40,105 --> 00:15:42,105 was. You know? It did its job. Yes. 412 00:15:42,105 --> 00:15:43,644 So we came up with the title 413 00:15:44,585 --> 00:15:45,085 Business 414 00:15:45,544 --> 00:15:48,845 Beyond Borders. Oh, nice. Now we're talking alliteration 415 00:15:49,065 --> 00:15:50,970 here. So lots of alliteration. 416 00:15:51,990 --> 00:15:52,490 And 417 00:15:52,949 --> 00:15:56,649 we're talking about culture today in the already 418 00:15:56,789 --> 00:16:00,730 global world. Yeah. Sure. Not across borders, which 419 00:16:01,190 --> 00:16:03,589 which has a set which talks a little 420 00:16:03,589 --> 00:16:04,250 bit about 421 00:16:04,894 --> 00:16:05,394 developing 422 00:16:06,014 --> 00:16:06,595 global, right, 423 00:16:07,134 --> 00:16:08,355 global perspectives. 424 00:16:09,054 --> 00:16:11,855 But business beyond borders is that, hey. The 425 00:16:11,855 --> 00:16:14,415 world is already Yeah. We've gone beyond them. 426 00:16:14,415 --> 00:16:16,894 Right. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. And now 427 00:16:17,610 --> 00:16:19,789 so the title is Business Beyond Borders, 428 00:16:20,169 --> 00:16:22,110 and the subtitle is Stories, 429 00:16:22,490 --> 00:16:24,350 Tales, and Lessons Learned 430 00:16:25,049 --> 00:16:27,289 from Working in a 100 Cultures Around the 431 00:16:27,289 --> 00:16:30,845 World. Wow. Okay. Great. That sounds great. And 432 00:16:30,845 --> 00:16:31,504 the publisher said, 433 00:16:32,445 --> 00:16:33,745 yes. That's it. 434 00:16:34,205 --> 00:16:36,764 Yeah. As they should. Yeah. Yes. So we 435 00:16:36,764 --> 00:16:38,384 we we pulled all that together, 436 00:16:38,925 --> 00:16:41,325 and then I got real excited about writing 437 00:16:41,325 --> 00:16:43,805 this book. And I I sorted through my 438 00:16:43,805 --> 00:16:44,524 stories and, 439 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:46,580 basically 440 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:48,340 made each story 441 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,779 representative of some important cultural concept 442 00:16:52,399 --> 00:16:54,559 that if you're gonna do business in this 443 00:16:54,559 --> 00:16:56,320 country, you really need to know about. But 444 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,434 even if you're just gonna travel there. Yeah. 445 00:16:58,434 --> 00:16:59,714 Or even if you're just on a day 446 00:16:59,714 --> 00:17:02,034 to day basis communicating with people from this 447 00:17:02,034 --> 00:17:04,755 country. Because, again, back when the first books 448 00:17:04,755 --> 00:17:05,414 were written, 449 00:17:06,194 --> 00:17:08,194 we weren't doing that much communicating because we 450 00:17:08,194 --> 00:17:09,575 didn't really have the technology. 451 00:17:09,954 --> 00:17:12,220 Right. Right. But thirty five years ago. But 452 00:17:12,220 --> 00:17:12,720 now, 453 00:17:13,180 --> 00:17:14,240 if you're in business, 454 00:17:15,259 --> 00:17:16,880 you're communicating globally 455 00:17:17,180 --> 00:17:20,299 instantly. Mhmm. It is much easier to communicate 456 00:17:20,299 --> 00:17:21,740 around the world right now. Or you're not 457 00:17:21,819 --> 00:17:24,404 Absolutely. Or you're not communicating. Right. No. You're 458 00:17:24,404 --> 00:17:26,424 not in business, basically. Yes. 459 00:17:26,725 --> 00:17:27,384 Yeah. So, 460 00:17:28,565 --> 00:17:31,924 so everybody can, you know, find something, I 461 00:17:31,924 --> 00:17:34,085 think, in this that's gonna be useful for 462 00:17:34,085 --> 00:17:36,085 them. It it sounds great, but it's not 463 00:17:36,085 --> 00:17:38,884 out yet according to when we are doing 464 00:17:38,884 --> 00:17:40,509 this podcast is coming out. 465 00:17:40,809 --> 00:17:42,329 Now if you're listening to it at a 466 00:17:42,329 --> 00:17:44,409 later date, maybe it is, and it probably 467 00:17:44,409 --> 00:17:46,569 is. But but so tell us when it 468 00:17:46,569 --> 00:17:48,649 is going to be released. Scheduled to be 469 00:17:48,649 --> 00:17:51,929 November 4, the book drops. 2025. 470 00:17:51,929 --> 00:17:53,049 Of 2025. 471 00:17:53,049 --> 00:17:54,970 Yeah. It will be available in all major 472 00:17:54,970 --> 00:17:55,470 bookstores. 473 00:17:55,904 --> 00:17:57,445 It is now available 474 00:17:58,225 --> 00:17:58,725 online, 475 00:17:59,585 --> 00:18:01,744 at Amazon, at To preorder. Workshop 476 00:18:02,305 --> 00:18:02,805 at, 477 00:18:03,265 --> 00:18:06,244 at all, outlets that you might know for 478 00:18:06,384 --> 00:18:08,609 preorder. Yeah. Great. Well Oh, great. And if 479 00:18:08,690 --> 00:18:10,769 you're listening, you should be doing that. Yeah. 480 00:18:10,769 --> 00:18:12,690 And if you preorder now, I think you 481 00:18:12,690 --> 00:18:15,009 get some discounts too depending on the outlet 482 00:18:15,009 --> 00:18:16,450 that you work that you do it in. 483 00:18:16,450 --> 00:18:16,950 Okay. 484 00:18:17,410 --> 00:18:19,009 Two weeks ago, I sat down in the 485 00:18:19,009 --> 00:18:21,809 studio and recorded the audio version of the 486 00:18:21,809 --> 00:18:24,595 book. Okay. Good. And that is also available, 487 00:18:25,214 --> 00:18:27,054 in preorder. Nice. So you mean people who 488 00:18:27,054 --> 00:18:28,575 listen to this podcast are gonna have to 489 00:18:28,575 --> 00:18:30,994 listen to you drone on for hours? Absolutely. 490 00:18:31,134 --> 00:18:31,634 Okay. 491 00:18:32,974 --> 00:18:34,974 I drone very well. You know, you're a 492 00:18:34,974 --> 00:18:37,039 good droner. Our listeners are acclimated too. Yeah. 493 00:18:37,039 --> 00:18:38,640 That's true. Good point. If you're a good 494 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:40,639 droner. Still listening, if you're back with us 495 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,480 Yeah. They all just said what? I know. 496 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,720 You love it. Right? Yeah. Okay. Then I 497 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,400 got me in now. Yeah. This will work. 498 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,799 Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So it's avail it'll be 499 00:18:48,799 --> 00:18:50,659 available in, hardcover, 500 00:18:51,255 --> 00:18:51,755 in, 501 00:18:52,454 --> 00:18:52,954 audiobook, 502 00:18:53,494 --> 00:18:57,015 and in Kindle ebook. Nice. Okay. Good. That'll 503 00:18:57,015 --> 00:18:58,474 that'll all be available 504 00:18:59,095 --> 00:19:02,535 preorder now. Please preorder now. Yeah. And, I'm 505 00:19:02,535 --> 00:19:05,029 doing it. And thank you. Thank you, Tarn. 506 00:19:05,029 --> 00:19:07,269 I've got the tab up. Yeah. Thank you. 507 00:19:07,269 --> 00:19:08,710 I was gonna do it because my really 508 00:19:08,710 --> 00:19:11,269 good friend has not given me a copy 509 00:19:11,269 --> 00:19:13,430 of it at all or anything about it 510 00:19:13,430 --> 00:19:15,109 for that matter. I tried to, you know, 511 00:19:15,109 --> 00:19:16,955 but, you know, you know 512 00:19:17,875 --> 00:19:19,106 sell the sell the sell the sell the 513 00:19:19,256 --> 00:19:21,299 sell the your really good friend doesn't have 514 00:19:21,299 --> 00:19:22,195 a copy of the book yet. Sure. Convenient. 515 00:19:22,195 --> 00:19:22,695 Okay. 516 00:19:23,715 --> 00:19:24,775 For those of 517 00:19:25,315 --> 00:19:27,095 okay. As an author, 518 00:19:27,555 --> 00:19:28,455 if you're lucky, 519 00:19:28,914 --> 00:19:31,460 you get 10 free copies Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 520 00:19:31,539 --> 00:19:34,259 To to then distribute very carefully. Oh, it's 521 00:19:34,259 --> 00:19:36,119 like the golden ticket. Right. 522 00:19:36,900 --> 00:19:39,539 Selecting you all, mister Wonka. Let's, 523 00:19:40,339 --> 00:19:43,140 And and, actually, you know, we we really 524 00:19:43,140 --> 00:19:45,174 just finished it up, wrapped it up, wrapped 525 00:19:45,174 --> 00:19:47,255 up all the editing, wrapped up the final 526 00:19:47,255 --> 00:19:48,394 editing, wrapped up 527 00:19:49,335 --> 00:19:50,934 put the bow on the package of the 528 00:19:50,934 --> 00:19:51,434 manuscript 529 00:19:51,815 --> 00:19:53,434 and got it in final form 530 00:19:53,735 --> 00:19:56,134 really just about a month ago. Okay. Yeah. 531 00:19:56,134 --> 00:19:58,295 So it's gonna be another month or so 532 00:19:58,295 --> 00:20:01,429 before any physical copies are available. Sure. Sure. 533 00:20:01,429 --> 00:20:03,849 So so again, and I'm just, you know, 534 00:20:04,069 --> 00:20:06,389 might as well sell. We are, so that's 535 00:20:06,389 --> 00:20:09,109 coming out November 4 Yep. Of 2025, 536 00:20:09,109 --> 00:20:10,009 and it is 537 00:20:10,470 --> 00:20:12,565 out there for a preorder right now. Right. 538 00:20:12,565 --> 00:20:13,625 And a bunch of sources, 539 00:20:14,005 --> 00:20:16,164 like Amazon and others similar to that. Yeah. 540 00:20:16,164 --> 00:20:17,605 Where do you where do you go on 541 00:20:17,605 --> 00:20:20,404 bookshop? Name of it again, Dean. Bar the 542 00:20:20,404 --> 00:20:22,424 name of it is Business Beyond Borders, 543 00:20:22,965 --> 00:20:25,445 Stories, Tales, and Lessons Learned from Working in 544 00:20:25,445 --> 00:20:27,660 a 100 Cultures Around the World. By some 545 00:20:27,660 --> 00:20:29,900 guy named Dean Foster. Dean Foster. That's me. 546 00:20:29,900 --> 00:20:31,900 And if we get a chance, everybody who's 547 00:20:31,900 --> 00:20:34,000 listening, to ever see each other in person, 548 00:20:34,299 --> 00:20:36,299 I'd be more than thrilled to sign it 549 00:20:36,299 --> 00:20:38,460 for you. Absolutely. Okay. And they can sign 550 00:20:38,460 --> 00:20:40,480 it for you too, maybe. Yeah. Yeah. 551 00:20:41,115 --> 00:20:42,714 Everyone can sign it. If that makes any 552 00:20:42,714 --> 00:20:44,555 sense at all. Why not? Probably does. How 553 00:20:44,555 --> 00:20:46,634 do you sign a an ebook or an 554 00:20:46,634 --> 00:20:47,134 audiobook? 555 00:20:47,434 --> 00:20:49,035 You're right right across the screen. I'm sure 556 00:20:49,035 --> 00:20:51,355 they're fine with that. Yeah. Nobody with that 557 00:20:51,355 --> 00:20:52,954 one. That's right. It's just a Sharpie to 558 00:20:52,954 --> 00:20:54,419 it Right? That's right. Right there. I'm a 559 00:20:54,419 --> 00:20:56,500 permanent marker, I think you wanna go with. 560 00:20:56,500 --> 00:20:57,799 Yeah. Yeah. Listen, 561 00:20:58,099 --> 00:21:00,019 that that's great. I think it's wonderful. Yeah. 562 00:21:00,019 --> 00:21:02,099 That's great. On that because that's really an 563 00:21:02,099 --> 00:21:04,039 effort and and a and it's 564 00:21:04,659 --> 00:21:06,759 if people out there have not written books, 565 00:21:07,035 --> 00:21:09,755 it's writing in large quantity like that is 566 00:21:09,755 --> 00:21:11,835 very, very substantial and difficult to do. And 567 00:21:11,835 --> 00:21:13,355 you have a lot of interesting stories to 568 00:21:13,355 --> 00:21:15,835 tell. Yeah. Share them with the world. It 569 00:21:15,835 --> 00:21:17,674 it brought it brought out for me the 570 00:21:17,674 --> 00:21:19,195 stories that I wanted to tell that were 571 00:21:19,195 --> 00:21:21,195 most important. It forced me to think hard 572 00:21:21,195 --> 00:21:23,099 about that, what would be of of most 573 00:21:23,099 --> 00:21:25,500 use to a reader who's doing business in 574 00:21:25,500 --> 00:21:26,240 these places, 575 00:21:26,619 --> 00:21:28,940 which Or even just traveling to these places. 576 00:21:28,940 --> 00:21:31,259 Like you say Yes. Ordering a croissant in 577 00:21:31,259 --> 00:21:33,660 in in the restaurant of wherever you happen 578 00:21:33,660 --> 00:21:34,240 to be 579 00:21:34,539 --> 00:21:36,539 is not necessarily as easy as you might 580 00:21:36,539 --> 00:21:38,005 think it's going to be. Is that is 581 00:21:38,005 --> 00:21:39,365 that the title of the next book? I 582 00:21:39,365 --> 00:21:41,045 think it is. Croissants around the world. Yes. 583 00:21:41,045 --> 00:21:41,625 It is. 584 00:21:42,884 --> 00:21:43,384 Delicious. 585 00:21:44,325 --> 00:21:46,164 That's the subtitle, isn't it? So you thought 586 00:21:46,164 --> 00:21:48,664 you were gonna get a croissant. Right. Exactly. 587 00:21:50,980 --> 00:21:53,220 Alright. We're signing the disclaimer now. Yeah. There 588 00:21:53,220 --> 00:21:54,680 you go. If I excellent. 589 00:22:01,140 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaking of books. 590 00:22:02,505 --> 00:22:05,065 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There was a book that 591 00:22:05,065 --> 00:22:06,625 we've all kind of taken a look at 592 00:22:06,825 --> 00:22:08,505 Right. That we'd like to promote a little 593 00:22:08,505 --> 00:22:09,865 bit for this person that we don't know 594 00:22:09,865 --> 00:22:10,904 at all. Yeah. We don't know them at 595 00:22:10,904 --> 00:22:12,505 all. We have no connection whatsoever. Which I 596 00:22:12,505 --> 00:22:14,825 remember by the name of Christopher j Moore. 597 00:22:14,825 --> 00:22:16,345 Right? And and I don't even know what 598 00:22:16,345 --> 00:22:18,700 j stands for, but let's just go with 599 00:22:18,700 --> 00:22:21,019 it. Just make up names for Okay. That'd 600 00:22:21,019 --> 00:22:22,299 be fun. Let's fill the rest of the 601 00:22:22,299 --> 00:22:23,279 podcast. Okay. 602 00:22:23,740 --> 00:22:25,119 What could it be? There's 603 00:22:25,500 --> 00:22:27,039 this book is called The Untranslatables. 604 00:22:27,819 --> 00:22:30,220 Yeah. So It's a wonderful book. It's a 605 00:22:30,220 --> 00:22:32,140 wonderful book, and and it and it's got 606 00:22:32,140 --> 00:22:34,305 a lot to do with culture. Right, Dean? 607 00:22:34,305 --> 00:22:36,065 Yeah. Yeah. I've talked I mean, talking about 608 00:22:36,065 --> 00:22:38,785 books, we all there's lots of books on 609 00:22:38,785 --> 00:22:41,744 culture, but I really love this book, the 610 00:22:41,744 --> 00:22:42,244 untranslatables, 611 00:22:42,944 --> 00:22:44,644 because it talks about 612 00:22:45,025 --> 00:22:45,765 the phenomenon 613 00:22:46,704 --> 00:22:47,204 of 614 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:49,140 putting words 615 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:50,900 to cultural concepts 616 00:22:51,519 --> 00:22:52,019 that 617 00:22:52,559 --> 00:22:54,660 are different in different cultures. 618 00:22:55,599 --> 00:22:56,740 So, for example, 619 00:22:57,519 --> 00:23:00,000 why is it that we we don't have 620 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,220 a word for 621 00:23:01,934 --> 00:23:04,335 this human condition that we all share Yep. 622 00:23:04,335 --> 00:23:04,835 Yep. 623 00:23:05,134 --> 00:23:07,534 In a particular culture, but there's a word 624 00:23:07,534 --> 00:23:10,674 for it in another culture. Sure. What about 625 00:23:10,734 --> 00:23:11,634 that culture 626 00:23:12,095 --> 00:23:14,994 makes that makes them need to emphasize 627 00:23:15,375 --> 00:23:15,869 an 628 00:23:16,750 --> 00:23:19,069 a concept and give it a word. While 629 00:23:19,069 --> 00:23:20,210 maybe in our culture, 630 00:23:20,910 --> 00:23:23,230 we know about that kind of thing, but 631 00:23:23,230 --> 00:23:25,009 it's just not that important. 632 00:23:25,710 --> 00:23:27,549 Right. Well, it could be there's something about 633 00:23:27,549 --> 00:23:29,894 it that we shouldn't talk about, so we 634 00:23:29,894 --> 00:23:32,134 don't wanna give it a name. Right. Right. 635 00:23:32,134 --> 00:23:33,575 It's tied back to what we were talking 636 00:23:33,575 --> 00:23:35,515 about in the beginning. Okay. Yeah. 637 00:23:35,975 --> 00:23:38,075 Nice. Or and, also, I I'm just wondering 638 00:23:38,134 --> 00:23:40,535 if if in this kind of thing, because 639 00:23:40,535 --> 00:23:42,615 I and I think we'll get to it, 640 00:23:42,615 --> 00:23:43,975 the first word here in a minute, I 641 00:23:43,975 --> 00:23:45,869 think, because we want to we wanna make 642 00:23:45,869 --> 00:23:47,869 sure people are understanding what we're talking. Right. 643 00:23:47,869 --> 00:23:49,070 If you have an example. Right. It can 644 00:23:49,070 --> 00:23:50,750 be a little bit hard to grasp if 645 00:23:50,750 --> 00:23:53,070 you haven't really spoken about this type of 646 00:23:53,070 --> 00:23:54,369 of phrase or word 647 00:23:54,750 --> 00:23:57,390 in the past. So but nevertheless, I'd 648 00:23:57,789 --> 00:23:59,654 my take on all of this is that 649 00:23:59,734 --> 00:24:01,335 goes right along with what you're talking about 650 00:24:01,335 --> 00:24:03,174 as far as it being something that is 651 00:24:03,174 --> 00:24:03,674 important 652 00:24:04,215 --> 00:24:05,674 within a certain culture, 653 00:24:06,055 --> 00:24:08,075 and I suppose within a small 654 00:24:08,535 --> 00:24:11,115 sections of that culture also in some cases. 655 00:24:11,414 --> 00:24:14,789 But mainly it's that's why they have needed 656 00:24:14,789 --> 00:24:17,590 to have something to refer to. Yeah. And 657 00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:19,049 use to refer to. 658 00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:21,750 And so it becomes important to have that 659 00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:22,250 word. 660 00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:25,029 And as as you mentioned before, the you 661 00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:27,775 know, everybody's going to have this. But how 662 00:24:27,775 --> 00:24:30,414 often do you encounter it? Does it really 663 00:24:30,414 --> 00:24:32,355 come in? Or do we prefer 664 00:24:33,134 --> 00:24:35,214 to place it in a different part of 665 00:24:35,214 --> 00:24:37,214 our lives because we have a different culture? 666 00:24:37,214 --> 00:24:39,454 And that's the fascinating thing about it. Right. 667 00:24:39,454 --> 00:24:41,714 What is it about our culture that maybe 668 00:24:41,775 --> 00:24:44,339 hasn't given us a word for it while 669 00:24:44,339 --> 00:24:47,380 in another culture, they really do. They came 670 00:24:47,380 --> 00:24:49,539 up with a word for this idea. We 671 00:24:49,539 --> 00:24:50,359 both have 672 00:24:50,660 --> 00:24:52,359 as people, as human beings, 673 00:24:52,900 --> 00:24:54,680 the the individuals in both cultures 674 00:24:55,059 --> 00:24:55,720 have experienced 675 00:24:56,180 --> 00:24:58,359 this at some point, but 676 00:24:58,795 --> 00:25:00,954 it's not important enough. It's not a priority 677 00:25:00,954 --> 00:25:02,954 enough in one, and it's and it becomes 678 00:25:02,954 --> 00:25:05,115 a priority in the other. So what does 679 00:25:05,115 --> 00:25:07,755 that tell us about the two cultures? Yeah. 680 00:25:07,755 --> 00:25:09,994 I think that's a really interesting explanation. I 681 00:25:09,994 --> 00:25:11,994 do too. And I think it it it 682 00:25:11,994 --> 00:25:13,674 becomes important. By the way, we're gonna we're 683 00:25:13,674 --> 00:25:15,619 talking about this, for the most part. We're 684 00:25:15,619 --> 00:25:16,599 talking about this 685 00:25:16,980 --> 00:25:19,799 in in in other languages than English. 686 00:25:20,099 --> 00:25:22,099 Yes. We're we're dealing with it in from 687 00:25:22,099 --> 00:25:25,380 that perspective. Right. So it's it's it and 688 00:25:25,380 --> 00:25:28,265 certainly, there are phrases and terms that we 689 00:25:28,265 --> 00:25:30,664 use in The United States, in certain areas 690 00:25:30,664 --> 00:25:31,724 of The United States 691 00:25:32,025 --> 00:25:34,585 that others don't do or don't. And there 692 00:25:34,585 --> 00:25:37,644 are other English speaking countries, England, Australia, 693 00:25:38,025 --> 00:25:40,184 New Zealand, etcetera. Right. And I know there 694 00:25:40,184 --> 00:25:43,759 are some, I believe, British English words in 695 00:25:43,759 --> 00:25:44,579 in the untranslatables 696 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,639 in the book, but but we've we've decided 697 00:25:46,639 --> 00:25:48,960 to chat about perhaps some others. Yes. Yeah. 698 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,039 For now, anyway. For now. Yeah. Let's take 699 00:25:51,039 --> 00:25:52,639 it one step further. By the way, Canada 700 00:25:52,639 --> 00:25:55,200 is another English speaking country in there. When 701 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:56,899 Love you, Canada. Love you, Canada. 702 00:25:57,724 --> 00:25:59,664 When we do when we discover 703 00:26:00,125 --> 00:26:03,005 a word from another culture that talks about 704 00:26:03,005 --> 00:26:03,984 something that 705 00:26:05,164 --> 00:26:05,984 we understand, 706 00:26:06,605 --> 00:26:08,595 but we don't have a word for Right. 707 00:26:08,845 --> 00:26:09,664 And then 708 00:26:10,319 --> 00:26:11,619 that word migrates 709 00:26:12,079 --> 00:26:14,799 over into English. Yeah. Yeah. And it becomes 710 00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:16,559 sort of known in So how come that 711 00:26:16,559 --> 00:26:18,240 happens? And I think we can best do 712 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:19,140 that conversation 713 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:20,819 with words. 714 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,039 Yeah. Let's look at a word. I'm think 715 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,299 I'm thinking of the the German word 716 00:26:25,974 --> 00:26:26,474 schadenfreude. 717 00:26:26,855 --> 00:26:29,194 Oh, okay. Okay. That's in the book for 718 00:26:29,575 --> 00:26:31,095 sure. Yeah. And, 719 00:26:31,894 --> 00:26:34,234 That's Chris Moore's book, The Untranslatables. 720 00:26:34,815 --> 00:26:35,315 He 721 00:26:35,894 --> 00:26:37,654 won't be We're not being paid by Chris 722 00:26:37,654 --> 00:26:39,720 Moore. Don't even know him. You're welcome, Chris. 723 00:26:39,799 --> 00:26:40,960 No idea. But we like your book, so 724 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,019 yeah. Here we go. Like your book. And 725 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,340 okay. So is there something about, 726 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,880 US culture? I'm we're gonna speak because the 727 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,720 three of us are US Americans. So Yes. 728 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,055 Okay. I'll start there. 729 00:26:53,775 --> 00:26:56,095 Is there something about US culture that doesn't 730 00:26:56,095 --> 00:26:56,994 have a word 731 00:26:57,615 --> 00:26:58,355 to describe 732 00:26:59,055 --> 00:27:01,215 the schadenfreude? Well, what is that? What is 733 00:27:01,215 --> 00:27:01,715 schadenfreude? 734 00:27:02,174 --> 00:27:04,095 Well but in Germany, we do have a 735 00:27:04,095 --> 00:27:06,195 word for it. Yeah. Right? And 736 00:27:07,220 --> 00:27:09,320 and and and Schadenfreude is when you're basically 737 00:27:09,380 --> 00:27:11,320 dancing on somebody else's grave. 738 00:27:11,700 --> 00:27:13,460 Right? So we sort of have a phrase 739 00:27:13,460 --> 00:27:15,779 for it. We have an idiom for it. 740 00:27:15,779 --> 00:27:18,019 Yeah. We have an idiom an idiom. Yeah. 741 00:27:18,019 --> 00:27:20,259 Right. You're right. But it's more subtle than 742 00:27:20,259 --> 00:27:21,480 that, I think. It's 743 00:27:21,795 --> 00:27:22,775 it's when 744 00:27:23,555 --> 00:27:26,835 something bad happens to somebody Mhmm. And you're 745 00:27:26,835 --> 00:27:29,235 glad for it. Yeah. Yeah. Joy for someone's 746 00:27:29,235 --> 00:27:32,355 misfortune. Joy for someone's misfortune. I don't does 747 00:27:32,355 --> 00:27:34,195 that ever happen in The United States. Must 748 00:27:34,195 --> 00:27:35,475 have ever felt that way. So this is 749 00:27:35,475 --> 00:27:37,700 universal. Oh. Right. So we all feel it, 750 00:27:37,700 --> 00:27:39,460 but we may not talk about it. No. 751 00:27:39,460 --> 00:27:41,460 But is it? So for me as the 752 00:27:41,460 --> 00:27:41,960 culturalist 753 00:27:42,740 --> 00:27:43,799 feel really good. 754 00:27:44,259 --> 00:27:46,819 I'm I'm kind of, like, curious about is 755 00:27:46,819 --> 00:27:48,759 there something in US culture 756 00:27:49,220 --> 00:27:49,720 that 757 00:27:50,099 --> 00:27:51,960 makes it hard for us to 758 00:27:52,414 --> 00:27:54,734 put create a word for that? Yeah. Is 759 00:27:54,734 --> 00:27:57,315 there something that we shouldn't be talking about? 760 00:27:57,375 --> 00:27:59,134 Yeah. There's a shame attached to that. I 761 00:27:59,134 --> 00:28:01,214 mean, like, you should feel ashamed. Or do 762 00:28:01,214 --> 00:28:03,134 we need it? I mean, I think there's 763 00:28:03,134 --> 00:28:04,755 a question with all of these words. 764 00:28:05,294 --> 00:28:07,880 In a particular culture, is it needed to 765 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,019 be described that way? 766 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:10,759 And in some cases it is, in some 767 00:28:10,759 --> 00:28:11,740 cases it didn't. 768 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,360 Do we need it? And is there something 769 00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:15,580 about German culture 770 00:28:16,039 --> 00:28:16,860 that allow 771 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,820 that makes it important for us to 772 00:28:20,384 --> 00:28:22,224 come up with a word that describes That 773 00:28:22,224 --> 00:28:24,384 we need a term that was really wants 774 00:28:24,384 --> 00:28:26,464 to have that word for it. I I 775 00:28:26,464 --> 00:28:27,664 I I think they want to have a 776 00:28:27,664 --> 00:28:30,065 word for everything that that they that That 777 00:28:30,065 --> 00:28:32,065 they're represents a concept because they gotta put 778 00:28:32,065 --> 00:28:34,809 it in the word book, and that's that 779 00:28:34,809 --> 00:28:37,769 big book that they've organized for the last 780 00:28:37,769 --> 00:28:40,730 five thousand years. And and every other order 781 00:28:40,730 --> 00:28:43,289 it could possibly be in. Uh-huh. And it's 782 00:28:43,289 --> 00:28:45,015 in the right spot on the right bookshelf. 783 00:28:45,174 --> 00:28:46,855 And you don't shy away from it just 784 00:28:46,855 --> 00:28:49,755 because it's an it describes something that's uncomfortable. 785 00:28:50,134 --> 00:28:52,454 Right. Right. Okay. Well, also, I think it's 786 00:28:52,454 --> 00:28:53,974 a fact. Is a German And I think 787 00:28:53,974 --> 00:28:55,894 this becomes is it is it something that 788 00:28:55,894 --> 00:28:57,494 is and this goes to what you started 789 00:28:57,494 --> 00:28:59,799 talking about before. Is this the, 790 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,759 is it something that you feel one culture 791 00:29:02,759 --> 00:29:03,899 feels better about 792 00:29:04,519 --> 00:29:06,519 than another culture? Right. Right. It feels like 793 00:29:06,519 --> 00:29:08,679 it's an honest thing to talk about. Sure. 794 00:29:08,679 --> 00:29:09,960 Yeah. Okay. So let's talk about it. And 795 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,240 maybe it's a sense it's a kind of 796 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,240 an acceptable thing to do, but might be. 797 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:14,894 As opposed to it feels maybe not as 798 00:29:14,894 --> 00:29:16,894 acceptable. I would say for me anyway in 799 00:29:16,894 --> 00:29:19,455 US culture. Supposed to supposed to admit you 800 00:29:19,455 --> 00:29:21,775 feel that. You're just kind of nonsense when 801 00:29:21,775 --> 00:29:23,695 you really think about it. Well, the fact 802 00:29:23,695 --> 00:29:25,934 that it's a guilty pleasure. Mhmm. A good 803 00:29:26,174 --> 00:29:28,109 yeah. There's another good phrase for it. Sure. 804 00:29:28,109 --> 00:29:30,349 Right? Shame. Guilty pleasure. A little bit of 805 00:29:30,349 --> 00:29:32,750 shame associated with broader kind of a broader 806 00:29:32,750 --> 00:29:34,509 take on it, but it's still one. Yeah. 807 00:29:34,509 --> 00:29:36,190 So the focus in The US is on 808 00:29:36,190 --> 00:29:38,589 the Oh, guilt? About the part of this 809 00:29:38,589 --> 00:29:39,329 that is 810 00:29:39,784 --> 00:29:42,284 I shouldn't feel this way, but I do. 811 00:29:42,345 --> 00:29:44,984 Yeah. And the focus on the German culture 812 00:29:44,984 --> 00:29:45,565 is like, 813 00:29:46,105 --> 00:29:48,105 maybe I shouldn't feel this way, but this 814 00:29:48,105 --> 00:29:50,265 is the way people feel when this happens. 815 00:29:50,265 --> 00:29:51,904 But I do. That's right. But I do. 816 00:29:51,904 --> 00:29:53,259 When it's there and I do it all 817 00:29:53,259 --> 00:29:54,125 the regularly. 818 00:29:54,505 --> 00:29:55,005 Yeah. 819 00:29:57,159 --> 00:29:58,164 Very interesting. It's absolutely. You're gonna feel better 820 00:29:58,164 --> 00:30:00,039 when it on all levels of things going 821 00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:02,200 on, it's like, oh, I'm so sorry to 822 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,839 hear that your son didn't get into name 823 00:30:04,839 --> 00:30:07,079 this college. Right. And my son did. And 824 00:30:07,079 --> 00:30:09,639 my son did. Yeah. Oh, I have never 825 00:30:09,639 --> 00:30:11,179 felt this because I'm I'm 826 00:30:11,615 --> 00:30:13,795 superior. Are are you sure? 827 00:30:14,095 --> 00:30:14,994 I'm sure. 828 00:30:15,535 --> 00:30:18,115 Yes. And I don't think they're buying it. 829 00:30:20,255 --> 00:30:22,755 Yeah. I it's I it's a very interesting 830 00:30:22,975 --> 00:30:24,069 concept. Right. 831 00:30:24,369 --> 00:30:26,470 I I I seek out my Schrodinger moment 832 00:30:26,849 --> 00:30:28,609 every day. If you could please If I 833 00:30:28,609 --> 00:30:30,929 can possibly find one. Yeah. Yeah. That's okay. 834 00:30:30,929 --> 00:30:32,210 It's the other thing. But it has but 835 00:30:32,210 --> 00:30:34,150 I think I think it has a legitimate 836 00:30:34,369 --> 00:30:34,869 role 837 00:30:35,410 --> 00:30:37,605 in that Sure. There are days that I 838 00:30:37,605 --> 00:30:39,945 mean, there are days that are good days, 839 00:30:40,244 --> 00:30:42,005 and there are days that are not good 840 00:30:42,005 --> 00:30:44,565 days. Yeah. And and when and when you're 841 00:30:44,565 --> 00:30:45,545 feeling kinda, 842 00:30:46,085 --> 00:30:48,805 like garbage, which occasionally you can, you know, 843 00:30:48,805 --> 00:30:51,029 it happens to all of us, And and 844 00:30:51,029 --> 00:30:54,070 that maybe not occasionally, maybe relatively frequently, you 845 00:30:54,070 --> 00:30:55,210 might feel that way. 846 00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:58,070 It it gives you an outlet for something. 847 00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:59,590 You find out that somebody else had a 848 00:30:59,590 --> 00:31:01,670 worse day for some reason. Take joy where 849 00:31:01,670 --> 00:31:03,670 you can get it. Yeah. It just kinda 850 00:31:03,670 --> 00:31:04,570 lifts you up. 851 00:31:06,375 --> 00:31:08,375 I'm okay. It's just a thought. You're not 852 00:31:08,375 --> 00:31:09,275 hurting anyone. 853 00:31:09,575 --> 00:31:11,575 You're really as long as you're not acting 854 00:31:11,575 --> 00:31:14,615 in some real negative harmful way. Exactly. Yeah. 855 00:31:14,615 --> 00:31:15,674 It's a recognition 856 00:31:16,535 --> 00:31:17,759 of being human. Yeah. 857 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,440 As so many of these things are. That's 858 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,380 right. They all recognize 859 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,640 the human condition. Yeah. And you're saying, why 860 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,460 does this culture need to recognize it more 861 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,339 to the extent of coming up with a 862 00:31:30,345 --> 00:31:32,025 with a word. But as we've said, there 863 00:31:32,025 --> 00:31:33,085 are there are English 864 00:31:33,544 --> 00:31:36,924 idioms and phrases that do dance around this. 865 00:31:37,464 --> 00:31:39,144 So it's Going back to dancing on the 866 00:31:39,144 --> 00:31:41,304 grave thing. There I did. Wordplay. Thank you. 867 00:31:41,304 --> 00:31:42,284 Wordplay. Okay. 868 00:31:43,384 --> 00:31:44,984 Been a while since we're I know. I 869 00:31:44,984 --> 00:31:45,390 know. 870 00:31:46,190 --> 00:31:48,529 Since the last episode. At least. Yeah. 871 00:31:51,630 --> 00:31:53,549 So, yeah. Yeah. I kind of like that 872 00:31:53,549 --> 00:31:55,230 whole stretch right there. You know, it's kind 873 00:31:55,230 --> 00:31:55,890 of fun. 874 00:31:57,150 --> 00:31:59,230 But there. Yeah, I just think in this 875 00:31:59,230 --> 00:32:00,545 kind of emotion, 876 00:32:01,244 --> 00:32:01,744 feeling, 877 00:32:03,244 --> 00:32:05,965 I think, honestly, anyone who believes they're not 878 00:32:05,965 --> 00:32:06,865 feeling it 879 00:32:07,244 --> 00:32:09,485 is they're pushing it down so much. It's 880 00:32:09,485 --> 00:32:11,965 a very human part. So maybe they're having 881 00:32:11,965 --> 00:32:14,285 problems with the guilty part. I think guilt 882 00:32:14,285 --> 00:32:17,029 becomes a real active player in all of 883 00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:18,470 this. Or at least I admit that we're 884 00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:20,950 feeling this. Yeah. It's just the wrong thing. 885 00:32:20,950 --> 00:32:24,309 It's morally incorrect potentially Yeah. Yeah. To to 886 00:32:24,309 --> 00:32:25,049 feel badly 887 00:32:25,509 --> 00:32:27,849 to feel better rather for someone who's who's 888 00:32:28,365 --> 00:32:30,605 having worse times? I I would like to 889 00:32:30,605 --> 00:32:31,744 speak with a German, 890 00:32:32,164 --> 00:32:35,164 a German colleague or or a German listener 891 00:32:35,164 --> 00:32:37,005 if you're if you're so motivated. Let us 892 00:32:37,005 --> 00:32:39,005 know how you how you think this word 893 00:32:39,005 --> 00:32:42,179 is taken in Germany. Yeah. Is it also 894 00:32:42,179 --> 00:32:44,740 talking about something that is equally felt to 895 00:32:44,740 --> 00:32:47,140 be a guilty pleasure? Or is it just 896 00:32:47,140 --> 00:32:49,299 a matter of fact statement about a human 897 00:32:49,299 --> 00:32:51,859 condition? Yeah. Mhmm. Yeah. And it may be 898 00:32:51,859 --> 00:32:54,099 that there are you well, you're going to 899 00:32:54,099 --> 00:32:56,259 find a wide range of people in any 900 00:32:56,259 --> 00:32:56,505 culture 901 00:32:57,545 --> 00:32:59,865 who will will approach it somewhat differently. Sure. 902 00:32:59,865 --> 00:33:01,464 You're gonna find people, I think, who think 903 00:33:01,464 --> 00:33:03,325 it's something that you should not be doing, 904 00:33:03,625 --> 00:33:05,625 and you should feel guilty. You should feel 905 00:33:05,625 --> 00:33:07,305 that it's not morally correct to do it 906 00:33:07,305 --> 00:33:09,419 or however you wanna phrase it. And someone 907 00:33:09,419 --> 00:33:11,339 else who's just gonna be like, yeah. That's, 908 00:33:11,659 --> 00:33:13,500 that's what it is. That's what it is. 909 00:33:13,500 --> 00:33:14,399 It's how I'm feeling. 910 00:33:14,859 --> 00:33:16,299 Thank you very much for that. Right. That's 911 00:33:16,299 --> 00:33:19,179 a very interesting example. Yeah. Yeah. Of of 912 00:33:19,179 --> 00:33:20,000 the untranslatable. 913 00:33:21,355 --> 00:33:23,514 Yeah. To essay oh, nice. More. Right? And 914 00:33:23,514 --> 00:33:25,054 this this whole idea untranslatable 915 00:33:25,355 --> 00:33:28,315 because it is culturally it is it is 916 00:33:28,315 --> 00:33:30,154 a reflection of the culture in which the 917 00:33:30,154 --> 00:33:32,954 word emerges Right. Which which talks I I 918 00:33:32,954 --> 00:33:34,494 think it goes back to, 919 00:33:35,299 --> 00:33:37,480 the research that was done by an anthropologist 920 00:33:37,779 --> 00:33:39,400 many, many years ago. Uh-huh. 921 00:33:40,179 --> 00:33:43,480 I I it's known as the Whorfian hypothesis 922 00:33:43,940 --> 00:33:46,980 hypothesis. Okay. The idea that if you don't 923 00:33:46,980 --> 00:33:48,359 have a word for something 924 00:33:49,015 --> 00:33:52,054 in your culture, it's hard to also have 925 00:33:52,054 --> 00:33:52,875 an an 926 00:33:53,255 --> 00:33:55,815 accompanying knowledge of the concept of that word. 927 00:33:55,815 --> 00:33:56,875 Right. Right. Okay. 928 00:33:57,335 --> 00:33:59,174 So of it. I I I think that's 929 00:33:59,174 --> 00:34:01,575 important. The the knowledge of it. Sure. Grasp 930 00:34:01,575 --> 00:34:04,789 it. The Yeah. Uh-huh. The the traditional example 931 00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:06,150 of this, which, by the way, has been, 932 00:34:06,150 --> 00:34:06,809 I think, 933 00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:09,429 more recent research has been proven this proven 934 00:34:09,429 --> 00:34:11,130 this to be wrong. Okay. 935 00:34:11,670 --> 00:34:14,150 Fair enough. But but the original example was 936 00:34:14,150 --> 00:34:14,949 the fact that, 937 00:34:15,429 --> 00:34:18,090 in the Inuit language in Northern Canada, 938 00:34:18,550 --> 00:34:21,054 there's x number of words for, 939 00:34:21,914 --> 00:34:23,375 for snow. Snow. Right. 940 00:34:23,755 --> 00:34:26,155 And yes. Oh, yes. And and that in 941 00:34:26,155 --> 00:34:28,174 English, we have basically 942 00:34:28,795 --> 00:34:31,194 ten, fifteen words for snow. So if you 943 00:34:31,194 --> 00:34:32,969 ask somebody Boy, do we have that many? 944 00:34:33,050 --> 00:34:35,130 That's probably not. Depending on where in the 945 00:34:35,130 --> 00:34:37,449 in the English speaking world you're asking people. 946 00:34:37,449 --> 00:34:39,929 True. True. Okay. In in New England, you're 947 00:34:39,929 --> 00:34:41,949 probably coming up with 15 or 20. 948 00:34:42,489 --> 00:34:44,329 In Louisiana of them we're not going to 949 00:34:44,329 --> 00:34:46,994 say right now. Yeah. Right. And yellow snow 950 00:34:46,994 --> 00:34:48,675 is one of those There you go. There 951 00:34:48,675 --> 00:34:50,514 you go. It's a fun one. Yeah. In 952 00:34:50,514 --> 00:34:51,014 Louisiana, 953 00:34:51,795 --> 00:34:54,355 most people are gonna go snow? Yeah. You 954 00:34:54,355 --> 00:34:57,875 know? Sure. But or snow. There's there's sleet, 955 00:34:57,875 --> 00:34:59,734 there's hail, but that's about it. 956 00:35:00,114 --> 00:35:02,190 Right. Right. Right. So but in general, 957 00:35:02,969 --> 00:35:05,530 therefore, the idea is if you don't have 958 00:35:05,530 --> 00:35:07,769 a word for something, you can't think of 959 00:35:07,769 --> 00:35:09,530 it. And the reason you don't have the 960 00:35:09,530 --> 00:35:11,210 word for it is because it's not part 961 00:35:11,210 --> 00:35:12,110 of your experience. 962 00:35:12,410 --> 00:35:14,730 Right. Right. So Or if it is, it's 963 00:35:14,730 --> 00:35:17,364 a very rare part of your experience. Yes. 964 00:35:17,364 --> 00:35:19,944 Yes. So taking the same idea 965 00:35:20,484 --> 00:35:21,385 to schadenfreude, 966 00:35:22,164 --> 00:35:22,824 is it 967 00:35:23,444 --> 00:35:24,664 less of an experience 968 00:35:25,125 --> 00:35:27,444 because it's devalued? We didn't therefore come up 969 00:35:27,444 --> 00:35:29,364 with a word for it in, let's say, 970 00:35:29,364 --> 00:35:30,030 The US, 971 00:35:30,590 --> 00:35:33,070 as opposed to in Germany when we just 972 00:35:33,070 --> 00:35:34,989 kind of acknowledged it and was 973 00:35:35,469 --> 00:35:37,570 wasn't more of an experience, but 974 00:35:38,110 --> 00:35:41,150 it's it's worth its own word. Yeah. Yeah. 975 00:35:41,150 --> 00:35:43,630 Sure. Yeah. I also think it's it's important 976 00:35:43,630 --> 00:35:45,969 because I think in this particular case, 977 00:35:46,324 --> 00:35:49,224 in The United States, anyhow, it's been there. 978 00:35:49,444 --> 00:35:51,684 Schadenfreude, it's been there are a lot more 979 00:35:51,684 --> 00:35:53,144 people who know it. 980 00:35:53,605 --> 00:35:55,844 Some people really migrated into Asia. It has. 981 00:35:55,844 --> 00:35:56,984 That's one that's that's 982 00:35:57,284 --> 00:35:59,369 gotten, you know, become more and more known. 983 00:35:59,450 --> 00:36:01,849 Yes. They may not necessarily know the full 984 00:36:01,849 --> 00:36:03,610 definition in some cases, but they know the 985 00:36:03,610 --> 00:36:06,570 term. Is that because there's just simply more 986 00:36:06,570 --> 00:36:07,070 acknowledgment 987 00:36:08,490 --> 00:36:11,130 more recently of the that that there's a 988 00:36:11,130 --> 00:36:12,809 whole there's a whole world of son of 989 00:36:12,809 --> 00:36:14,990 a bitches out there that really need to 990 00:36:15,965 --> 00:36:18,525 get their just desserts and they haven't yet? 991 00:36:18,525 --> 00:36:20,525 Or when they do, we feel really good 992 00:36:20,525 --> 00:36:22,045 about it? Well, I I would love to 993 00:36:22,045 --> 00:36:22,704 say yes. 994 00:36:24,125 --> 00:36:25,485 I don't I don't know that it can 995 00:36:25,485 --> 00:36:28,125 be directly put there, but let's directly put 996 00:36:28,125 --> 00:36:29,344 it there for now. Yeah. 997 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,960 Sure. Yeah. Why not? Yeah. Let's go. Yeah. 998 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,880 Well, there's an awful lot of untruths being 999 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,639 spoken out there, so let's add to it. 1000 00:36:35,639 --> 00:36:36,139 Yeah. 1001 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,920 Just because it makes us feel good. Right. 1002 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,599 Hey. There you go. You know it again. 1003 00:36:40,599 --> 00:36:41,960 You know what? Take your joy where you 1004 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,159 could get it. Look. And I'm gonna say 1005 00:36:43,159 --> 00:36:44,599 this. See, because right there, we could have 1006 00:36:44,599 --> 00:36:47,385 said that. And years ago before Schadenfreude became 1007 00:36:47,444 --> 00:36:49,284 knowledgeable at all in this country, in The 1008 00:36:49,284 --> 00:36:50,105 United States, 1009 00:36:50,724 --> 00:36:52,405 we could have just left that there. But 1010 00:36:52,405 --> 00:36:54,424 when you have this term, 1011 00:36:55,125 --> 00:36:57,385 the it's a cool word. 1012 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,119 And Yeah. It's funny. It really I get 1013 00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:02,119 it sticky. It works. Yeah. Yeah. It sticks 1014 00:37:02,119 --> 00:37:03,400 in the mind. It's like you were talking 1015 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,260 about a title for a book, you know, 1016 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,719 that works for that that emotion. It it 1017 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,880 you can say it, and it's like, yeah. 1018 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,324 You know, well, that's shot in for you. 1019 00:37:11,324 --> 00:37:12,945 Right. And everyone goes, Yeah, sure 1020 00:37:13,644 --> 00:37:16,784 is. Yeah. Here's but here's one that doesn't 1021 00:37:16,844 --> 00:37:17,344 stick 1022 00:37:17,724 --> 00:37:19,664 as well, and I don't think it's ever. 1023 00:37:19,724 --> 00:37:21,565 Yeah. Can I make a suggestion? Because I 1024 00:37:21,565 --> 00:37:23,880 think we're we're nearing our wrap time. Yes. 1025 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,159 We are. I know there are several other 1026 00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:26,599 terms we wish to talk about. Let's get 1027 00:37:26,599 --> 00:37:28,679 another one in here. That maybe aren't as 1028 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:30,599 No. I think let's let maybe let's do 1029 00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:33,159 it in two parts. Part two. Oh. I 1030 00:37:33,159 --> 00:37:34,299 know. Two parter. 1031 00:37:34,839 --> 00:37:35,819 Son of 1032 00:37:37,625 --> 00:37:38,125 untranslatables. 1033 00:37:40,905 --> 00:37:42,304 Well, I think there's work I mean, that 1034 00:37:42,344 --> 00:37:44,505 that's a working title. Right? Oh, yeah. I 1035 00:37:44,505 --> 00:37:47,704 like it. That maybe aren't as common in 1036 00:37:47,704 --> 00:37:49,784 the or maybe not known at all for 1037 00:37:49,784 --> 00:37:51,784 for at least folks in in, you know, 1038 00:37:51,784 --> 00:37:54,000 United States. Yeah. Yeah. It's easy to think 1039 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,320 about this the the importance of this whole 1040 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:56,820 idea 1041 00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,680 when when we are working with a word 1042 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,099 that has migrated into our language 1043 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,119 because the because it reflects the whole process. 1044 00:38:05,119 --> 00:38:07,440 It's really revealing of something that we all 1045 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:07,940 experience. 1046 00:38:08,454 --> 00:38:11,014 Mhmm. It's not a German uniquely a German 1047 00:38:11,014 --> 00:38:13,174 experience. Right. No. But we don't have a 1048 00:38:13,174 --> 00:38:15,094 word for it, and why is that and 1049 00:38:15,094 --> 00:38:18,135 why do they? Yeah. Yeah. Easy to to 1050 00:38:18,135 --> 00:38:20,214 easy to, I think, to get our heads 1051 00:38:20,214 --> 00:38:22,155 around that whole that whole 1052 00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:23,050 idea 1053 00:38:23,429 --> 00:38:25,449 with a word that's already made the migration. 1054 00:38:25,829 --> 00:38:27,989 But some words aren't as sticky. Some words 1055 00:38:27,989 --> 00:38:31,109 never migrate. Right. Yet they're reflective of the 1056 00:38:31,109 --> 00:38:33,909 concept. We can still understand it. Yeah. Yeah. 1057 00:38:33,909 --> 00:38:36,235 Yeah. Okay. Good. Yeah. Let's I I'm interested 1058 00:38:36,235 --> 00:38:37,514 to dive into those in the next in 1059 00:38:37,514 --> 00:38:39,034 the next And we will be doing that 1060 00:38:39,034 --> 00:38:41,114 next time. 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