1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,080 Typically when we have wine at the beginning 2 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:02,740 of drinking 3 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:04,960 it, we give a toast. Make a toast. 4 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:06,480 And why do we why do why is 5 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:08,580 it referred to in English as a toast? 6 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:10,559 I can tell you, but I would be 7 00:00:10,559 --> 00:00:12,639 making it all up. Make it up, Tom. 8 00:00:12,639 --> 00:00:14,320 What else do you Make it up. Alright. 9 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:14,820 So 10 00:00:15,605 --> 00:00:17,864 what else is new is correct. Get out. 11 00:00:18,085 --> 00:00:18,824 I'm sorry. 12 00:00:19,605 --> 00:00:20,105 When 13 00:00:21,925 --> 00:00:24,345 years ago, we're talking middle ages now. Okay? 14 00:00:24,564 --> 00:00:26,085 They would get their drink and they had 15 00:00:26,085 --> 00:00:26,904 their alcoholic 16 00:00:27,410 --> 00:00:29,510 drinks of various kinds. Mead. 17 00:00:30,210 --> 00:00:33,109 Mead would be one. Sure. Mead and beer 18 00:00:33,250 --> 00:00:35,570 and Ale. It was typically going to be 19 00:00:35,570 --> 00:00:37,489 done in the surroundings where you were sitting 20 00:00:37,489 --> 00:00:39,329 in a room with a fire, which in 21 00:00:39,329 --> 00:00:41,054 fact is what we're doing right now. That's 22 00:00:41,054 --> 00:00:42,335 true. We have a roaring fire next to 23 00:00:42,335 --> 00:00:44,914 you. And so everyone felt toasty. 24 00:00:45,935 --> 00:00:47,615 And that's why they said now we'll give 25 00:00:47,615 --> 00:00:49,295 a toast in those situations. It's not because 26 00:00:49,295 --> 00:00:51,454 they were putting pieces of bread into the 27 00:00:51,454 --> 00:00:53,695 fireplace and making toast. Well, there was that 28 00:00:53,695 --> 00:00:56,060 too, but that's a stupid story. And mine 29 00:00:56,060 --> 00:00:57,659 was so brilliant. I know you just made 30 00:00:57,659 --> 00:00:59,740 it up, but that sounds plausible. Well, it 31 00:00:59,740 --> 00:01:01,979 is plausible because I can lie very well. 32 00:01:01,979 --> 00:01:04,140 You are an excellent liar. Uh-huh. Thank you. 33 00:01:04,140 --> 00:01:05,340 But if any but if any of our 34 00:01:05,340 --> 00:01:07,405 listeners have I've never done it before. Have 35 00:01:07,405 --> 00:01:10,039 an have the have a definitive, you know, 36 00:01:10,039 --> 00:01:12,146 Wikipedia definition of why it's referred to as 37 00:01:12,146 --> 00:01:14,254 toast, let us know. I mean, we could 38 00:01:14,254 --> 00:01:17,151 do that. That we could who we refuse. 39 00:01:17,151 --> 00:01:19,259 But we're not going to do that because 40 00:01:19,259 --> 00:01:21,366 after all, we're here to talk about culture 41 00:01:21,366 --> 00:01:22,530 and, oops, 42 00:01:24,469 --> 00:01:24,969 your 43 00:01:26,909 --> 00:01:27,409 culture 44 00:01:29,349 --> 00:01:29,849 show. 45 00:01:31,789 --> 00:01:33,950 But here's my question. He jumped right in 46 00:01:33,950 --> 00:01:36,295 with a butt. You see that? He just 47 00:01:36,295 --> 00:01:38,155 butted in. He always does. 48 00:01:39,015 --> 00:01:41,015 I don't know. I liked your definition of 49 00:01:41,015 --> 00:01:42,775 of the reason for toast. I did too, 50 00:01:42,775 --> 00:01:44,795 though. It was totally made up. It completely 51 00:01:44,935 --> 00:01:47,015 made up. Although, it may be based in 52 00:01:47,015 --> 00:01:48,120 some reality, but 53 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:50,439 I don't know that at all. Since you're 54 00:01:50,439 --> 00:01:53,079 the infamous lying Tom Peterson. I am the 55 00:01:53,079 --> 00:01:55,480 infamous lying Tom Peterson, Torin. Thank you very 56 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:57,159 much. So glad to have you here for 57 00:01:57,159 --> 00:01:59,240 this episode. Glad to be here. Good. And 58 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,260 I am the and I am the always, 59 00:02:02,734 --> 00:02:03,234 scientifically 60 00:02:03,615 --> 00:02:04,115 objective 61 00:02:05,215 --> 00:02:08,574 directive I see. Dean Foster Yeah. Who's gonna 62 00:02:08,574 --> 00:02:11,455 talk about Yes. The facts of culture. Oh, 63 00:02:11,455 --> 00:02:14,175 thank goodness. This is all facts. Completely. Totally 64 00:02:14,175 --> 00:02:16,735 facts. Completely facts. Uh-huh. And you raise an 65 00:02:16,735 --> 00:02:18,889 interesting point, Tom. Do I? Yeah. Do 66 00:02:19,269 --> 00:02:21,930 I? Have I finally raised an interesting point 67 00:02:22,229 --> 00:02:25,509 after all these years? Finally, after all these 68 00:02:25,509 --> 00:02:26,409 years. Hallelujah. 69 00:02:28,069 --> 00:02:30,090 The idea that there would be this individual 70 00:02:30,310 --> 00:02:33,335 who would be responsible for raising the spirit 71 00:02:33,335 --> 00:02:34,075 of conviviality 72 00:02:34,534 --> 00:02:36,395 as we all sat around and imbibed 73 00:02:36,935 --> 00:02:39,575 in a drink that was, in effect, making 74 00:02:39,575 --> 00:02:40,955 us all pretty convivial. 75 00:02:41,495 --> 00:02:44,375 We still have remnants of this, which is 76 00:02:44,375 --> 00:02:47,115 part of what makes your your definition so, 77 00:02:48,270 --> 00:02:49,250 so plausible. 78 00:02:49,550 --> 00:02:51,090 We still have remnants of this 79 00:02:51,469 --> 00:02:53,409 from a cultural perspective. Uh-huh. 80 00:02:54,110 --> 00:02:55,090 In the Caucasus, 81 00:02:56,349 --> 00:02:57,409 you know, the region 82 00:02:58,270 --> 00:02:59,870 East Of The Black Sea, West Of The 83 00:02:59,870 --> 00:03:00,794 Caspian Sea, 84 00:03:01,275 --> 00:03:03,455 the North Of Iran, South Of Russia. 85 00:03:03,995 --> 00:03:06,094 Are they caucuses or are they cockeye? 86 00:03:07,675 --> 00:03:09,514 Well, no. Cockeye, you see, 87 00:03:10,155 --> 00:03:12,074 was a character on MASH. Here we go. 88 00:03:12,074 --> 00:03:14,334 Is that right? Yes. I see. Cockeye. Okay. 89 00:03:14,634 --> 00:03:17,010 He he was Fine. Don't push it. That 90 00:03:17,010 --> 00:03:18,930 was good. Move on. No. We think it's 91 00:03:18,930 --> 00:03:20,710 not there. Just leave it there, 92 00:03:21,889 --> 00:03:23,490 and you'd have to be of my generation 93 00:03:23,490 --> 00:03:25,889 to even know what MASH was. Right. Well, 94 00:03:25,889 --> 00:03:27,889 but you can watch it. Is. People you 95 00:03:27,889 --> 00:03:29,409 can watch it now. MASH is great. It's 96 00:03:29,409 --> 00:03:30,849 on Hulu, in fact, if you'd like to 97 00:03:30,849 --> 00:03:32,034 look it up. Yeah. That's true. There you 98 00:03:32,034 --> 00:03:33,555 go. Yeah. But in the in the caucus 99 00:03:34,275 --> 00:03:36,614 caucuses Oh, yeah. That's what we're talking about. 100 00:03:37,155 --> 00:03:37,894 The Caucasus 101 00:03:38,354 --> 00:03:40,275 as as the mountains are referred to. Mhmm. 102 00:03:40,275 --> 00:03:42,034 But it wouldn't be wrong, I think, to 103 00:03:42,034 --> 00:03:44,534 try to make a case for cockeye because 104 00:03:45,139 --> 00:03:46,793 He's gonna go there. It is one of 105 00:03:46,793 --> 00:03:48,500 the and try to run. He wouldn't be 106 00:03:48,500 --> 00:03:50,020 wrong. He's gonna make a run at it. 107 00:03:50,020 --> 00:03:50,919 No. It's wrong. 108 00:03:51,620 --> 00:03:53,300 It's not very nice, but it wouldn't be 109 00:03:53,300 --> 00:03:55,060 wrong. Oh, I see. Oh, well. Is that 110 00:03:55,060 --> 00:03:56,819 okay to a whole other subject? It's at 111 00:03:56,819 --> 00:03:58,419 whole different And the reason I say this 112 00:03:59,004 --> 00:04:00,844 And what is that? What is objective fact? 113 00:04:00,844 --> 00:04:02,444 Do we have a reason? It's an objective 114 00:04:02,444 --> 00:04:03,645 fact. Because It is one of the most 115 00:04:03,645 --> 00:04:06,205 culturally complex regions in the world. In the 116 00:04:06,205 --> 00:04:08,604 world. Okay. Yes. Okay. So you could go 117 00:04:08,604 --> 00:04:10,365 from one side of the of the mountain 118 00:04:10,365 --> 00:04:11,645 to the other side of the mountain, and 119 00:04:11,645 --> 00:04:13,840 you're in a very, very different culture. So 120 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:15,620 we would say it complex cockey. 121 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,720 Complex cockey? Yeah. That's a medical condition. I 122 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:20,879 see. Take two aspirins and call me in 123 00:04:20,879 --> 00:04:22,319 the morning. Right. You'll have to see the 124 00:04:22,319 --> 00:04:22,819 optometrist, 125 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:25,680 which is a contradiction in terms. If I 126 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,779 need an optometrist, how can I see him? 127 00:04:27,919 --> 00:04:28,419 Anyway, 128 00:04:28,824 --> 00:04:30,584 in the caucus I think we should get 129 00:04:30,584 --> 00:04:32,345 more wine is is what we should do. 130 00:04:32,345 --> 00:04:34,345 I'm gonna take another drink. Alright. Go for 131 00:04:34,345 --> 00:04:35,245 it. We have these 132 00:04:35,625 --> 00:04:38,584 very complex mix of cultures. Uh-huh. In some 133 00:04:38,584 --> 00:04:41,464 cases, represented by the national borders. In other 134 00:04:41,464 --> 00:04:44,509 cases, more cases than not, not represented very 135 00:04:44,509 --> 00:04:46,430 well by the national border. Well, national borders 136 00:04:46,430 --> 00:04:48,509 typically are brought up for some political reason 137 00:04:48,509 --> 00:04:50,910 as opposed to really geographical or anything like 138 00:04:50,910 --> 00:04:53,149 that. These different tribes, these different groups of 139 00:04:53,149 --> 00:04:54,750 people are from one side of the mountain 140 00:04:54,750 --> 00:04:56,644 to the other have been fighting each other 141 00:04:56,644 --> 00:04:57,384 for centuries. 142 00:04:58,245 --> 00:05:00,824 That's fun. And so it's a very, 143 00:05:01,125 --> 00:05:03,845 very complicated place. Sounds like it. You know, 144 00:05:03,845 --> 00:05:06,485 literally go two miles in the wrong direction 145 00:05:06,485 --> 00:05:10,019 and suddenly find yourself in enemy territory. Mhmm. 146 00:05:10,019 --> 00:05:11,540 And even today, I mean, they make the 147 00:05:11,540 --> 00:05:13,139 headlines. You see it. But some of the 148 00:05:13,139 --> 00:05:15,379 but but some of the larger nations in 149 00:05:15,699 --> 00:05:18,899 they're all relatively small in this very small 150 00:05:18,899 --> 00:05:19,399 region, 151 00:05:20,180 --> 00:05:20,839 are Georgia, 152 00:05:21,860 --> 00:05:22,360 Armenia, 153 00:05:22,819 --> 00:05:23,319 Azerbaijan, 154 00:05:25,675 --> 00:05:26,175 and 155 00:05:27,035 --> 00:05:29,995 these, going back to biblical times and even 156 00:05:29,995 --> 00:05:30,495 before, 157 00:05:31,274 --> 00:05:33,055 were wine baking regions. 158 00:05:34,394 --> 00:05:36,875 And in fact, Georgian wine is having a 159 00:05:36,875 --> 00:05:38,399 renaissance right now. 160 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:39,300 And, 161 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:41,379 I I have to say that 162 00:05:42,079 --> 00:05:44,800 I didn't realize that at all. And the 163 00:05:44,959 --> 00:05:46,500 their winemaking tradition 164 00:05:46,879 --> 00:05:48,180 is very, very unique. 165 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,060 They dig these holes in the ground, 166 00:05:51,444 --> 00:05:54,084 and they put these amphora, which is like 167 00:05:54,084 --> 00:05:57,205 these ancient Greek vases. Mhmm. We would refer 168 00:05:57,205 --> 00:05:59,285 to them as amphora. There's a Georgian term 169 00:05:59,285 --> 00:06:01,365 for it, which I'm not familiar with, but 170 00:06:01,365 --> 00:06:03,685 I know it it exists. And and then 171 00:06:03,685 --> 00:06:06,459 they insert the amphora into the ground and 172 00:06:06,459 --> 00:06:07,600 they let the wine 173 00:06:08,139 --> 00:06:08,639 develop 174 00:06:09,339 --> 00:06:11,740 the grape juice develop into wine in that 175 00:06:11,740 --> 00:06:13,680 informent. To a degree. Yeah. 176 00:06:14,220 --> 00:06:16,160 And some of these wines are extraordinary 177 00:06:16,699 --> 00:06:19,579 and the this is an ancient wine making 178 00:06:19,579 --> 00:06:22,035 technique, probably the oldest in the world that's 179 00:06:22,274 --> 00:06:23,334 still in operation. 180 00:06:24,035 --> 00:06:25,475 Sure. And you can you can go to 181 00:06:25,475 --> 00:06:27,795 the vineyards in Georgia and see them. Wow. 182 00:06:27,795 --> 00:06:28,295 But 183 00:06:28,915 --> 00:06:31,654 because of this winemaking tradition, here's the point 184 00:06:31,714 --> 00:06:33,714 to to your what your comment was about 185 00:06:33,714 --> 00:06:36,610 the Toastmaster Yes. Is that you have the 186 00:06:36,610 --> 00:06:39,330 development in Georgia. If you're invited to a 187 00:06:39,330 --> 00:06:40,150 social event, 188 00:06:41,089 --> 00:06:43,170 and if you're invited to a business event, 189 00:06:43,170 --> 00:06:45,490 it will become social. There will always be 190 00:06:45,490 --> 00:06:48,444 a social aspect. A dinner, a banquet, a 191 00:06:48,444 --> 00:06:50,785 Georgian feast is really what it's like. 192 00:06:51,245 --> 00:06:53,824 And somebody has to become the tamada. 193 00:06:54,365 --> 00:06:57,504 And the tamada is the leader, the toastmaster. 194 00:06:58,444 --> 00:07:01,185 And this person has a very important role. 195 00:07:01,580 --> 00:07:03,980 They will keep the party going all night 196 00:07:03,980 --> 00:07:04,480 long. 197 00:07:05,259 --> 00:07:07,180 And one of the things that you should 198 00:07:07,180 --> 00:07:09,900 expect if you're invited to to a Georgian 199 00:07:09,900 --> 00:07:10,400 feast 200 00:07:10,779 --> 00:07:13,274 is that everybody is going to be expected 201 00:07:15,754 --> 00:07:18,394 evening. Every And everyone. And you will be 202 00:07:18,394 --> 00:07:20,634 called upon to make a toast by the 203 00:07:20,634 --> 00:07:22,254 Tamata if you don't volunteer. 204 00:07:22,634 --> 00:07:23,134 Okay. 205 00:07:23,435 --> 00:07:25,675 Alright. And there will be there'll be much 206 00:07:25,675 --> 00:07:26,175 singing. 207 00:07:26,729 --> 00:07:28,649 Everyone is expected to join in. And if 208 00:07:28,649 --> 00:07:30,990 you don't know the the the Georgian words, 209 00:07:31,529 --> 00:07:33,529 I mean, how we all know the Georgian 210 00:07:33,529 --> 00:07:35,689 words, the one of the great Georgian songs. 211 00:07:35,689 --> 00:07:36,970 I've known them set as long as I 212 00:07:36,970 --> 00:07:38,649 can remember. Well, if you don't, you can 213 00:07:38,649 --> 00:07:39,435 always just 214 00:07:39,915 --> 00:07:41,754 latch on to the melody and la la 215 00:07:41,754 --> 00:07:43,514 la you can seal it out. You can 216 00:07:43,514 --> 00:07:45,355 scat your way through it. And with enough 217 00:07:45,355 --> 00:07:48,475 wine, everyone would care. It's like it's like 218 00:07:48,475 --> 00:07:49,454 Georgian karaoke. 219 00:07:49,754 --> 00:07:50,654 Sure. Mhmm. 220 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,639 And this goes on all night long, and 221 00:07:53,639 --> 00:07:54,300 the Tamada 222 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,960 is in many in many cases, a very 223 00:07:57,960 --> 00:07:59,580 well paid position 224 00:08:00,199 --> 00:08:02,779 in Georgia. So if you're hosting an event, 225 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,879 you can pay for a professional Tamada to 226 00:08:05,879 --> 00:08:08,004 come in. Like an emcee MC or it 227 00:08:08,085 --> 00:08:10,324 or even in today's world, a DJ or 228 00:08:10,324 --> 00:08:12,085 someone like that that might come along to 229 00:08:12,085 --> 00:08:13,685 keep the party moving. And this person is 230 00:08:13,685 --> 00:08:15,305 gonna be a combination DJ, 231 00:08:15,764 --> 00:08:17,685 Borscht Belt comic Mhmm. 232 00:08:18,324 --> 00:08:20,839 Singer Oh, that's fun. And For the four 233 00:08:20,839 --> 00:08:23,159 people who remember the Borscht Belt comics. Go 234 00:08:23,159 --> 00:08:23,659 ahead. 235 00:08:24,039 --> 00:08:26,680 Don't we all? No. No. That that was 236 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,319 a little older. Little most of them wouldn't 237 00:08:29,319 --> 00:08:31,800 even know what Verscht Yeah. Wouldn't know what 238 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,754 Borscht is. Yes. Or the Borscht Belt. Where 239 00:08:34,754 --> 00:08:36,695 is that? Anyway, Toastmasters. 240 00:08:37,394 --> 00:08:37,894 Yeah. 241 00:08:38,434 --> 00:08:40,754 Well, so it's a very long event. It 242 00:08:40,754 --> 00:08:42,274 it it I bet it is. When the 243 00:08:42,274 --> 00:08:44,674 weather is nice, it's often held outdoors Mhmm. 244 00:08:44,754 --> 00:08:47,269 In the Okay. Gorgeous. You know, the Caucasus 245 00:08:47,409 --> 00:08:51,190 is beautiful. Mhmm. Topographically, it's these rugged mountains. 246 00:08:51,809 --> 00:08:53,809 And in the summertime, you know, they're all 247 00:08:53,809 --> 00:08:55,029 in bloom with wildflowers. 248 00:08:55,490 --> 00:08:58,370 Mhmm. Having a picnic out in that's where 249 00:08:58,370 --> 00:09:00,629 you will be hosted on the ground. Blankets. 250 00:09:01,115 --> 00:09:03,695 Really spread out and you sit down and, 251 00:09:04,875 --> 00:09:06,554 and and a raucous time will be had 252 00:09:06,554 --> 00:09:08,634 by all. That's a good picnic. Good. Yeah. 253 00:09:08,634 --> 00:09:09,754 I know. And if it seems to be 254 00:09:09,754 --> 00:09:11,534 a little more of an official 255 00:09:12,475 --> 00:09:15,034 event, maybe a business event or something like 256 00:09:15,034 --> 00:09:17,559 that, then you can have a professional tomato 257 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:19,559 who'll be just running the evening for you. 258 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:21,399 Okay. Sure. That And it's it's a really 259 00:09:21,399 --> 00:09:22,379 important position. 260 00:09:23,159 --> 00:09:23,559 Anyway 261 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:24,620 Toastmasters. 262 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:26,139 Yeah. So the Toastmaster. 263 00:09:32,205 --> 00:09:33,965 Other than the glass of wine that's in 264 00:09:33,965 --> 00:09:35,884 front of me right now, I'm not sure 265 00:09:35,884 --> 00:09:38,524 why we're talking about Toastmasters. Isn't Toastmasters an 266 00:09:38,524 --> 00:09:39,884 organization? I don't really know what I mean. 267 00:09:39,965 --> 00:09:41,725 Organization. Yes. You want me to lie about 268 00:09:41,725 --> 00:09:43,965 this now? Please. I mean Okay. Whatever I'm 269 00:09:43,965 --> 00:09:45,345 gonna do now. I've been on a roll. 270 00:09:45,565 --> 00:09:46,065 So 271 00:09:46,580 --> 00:09:46,740 it's, 272 00:09:47,700 --> 00:09:50,100 well, Toastmasters in in The United States and 273 00:09:50,100 --> 00:09:51,080 I think internationally, 274 00:09:51,700 --> 00:09:54,019 Toastmasters is an organization for, 275 00:09:54,419 --> 00:09:57,799 public speaking. People typically people who have difficulties 276 00:09:58,100 --> 00:10:00,615 of some level, some some severe and some 277 00:10:00,615 --> 00:10:02,615 just trying to be better at it. Okay. 278 00:10:02,615 --> 00:10:04,794 And they, and they try to 279 00:10:05,174 --> 00:10:07,735 help people get better at it. That makes 280 00:10:07,735 --> 00:10:10,214 sense. Okay. Yeah. I could I could use 281 00:10:10,214 --> 00:10:11,034 help with 282 00:10:11,495 --> 00:10:13,735 I'm okay public speaking wise, but with, like, 283 00:10:13,735 --> 00:10:15,540 a wedding toast. You know? That makes me 284 00:10:15,540 --> 00:10:18,540 nervous. Specific public speaking then. Yeah. Yeah. There's 285 00:10:18,540 --> 00:10:20,019 a lot of pressure on that one. What's 286 00:10:20,019 --> 00:10:22,179 the worst wedding toast you've ever heard? Can 287 00:10:22,179 --> 00:10:24,500 you recall that? I really actually I don't 288 00:10:24,500 --> 00:10:26,259 think I've heard of a very bad one. 289 00:10:26,259 --> 00:10:28,735 I've like, on TV, that's a trope. It's 290 00:10:28,735 --> 00:10:30,254 a trope. Yeah. But in real life it 291 00:10:30,254 --> 00:10:31,294 all the time. It actually it used to 292 00:10:31,294 --> 00:10:33,054 be pretty good. I think most people do 293 00:10:33,054 --> 00:10:34,495 pretty well with it. Yeah. I don't think 294 00:10:34,495 --> 00:10:36,735 people seriously. Yeah. They do. And and and, 295 00:10:36,735 --> 00:10:39,500 I mean, occasionally, you might get someone who 296 00:10:39,500 --> 00:10:41,419 wants to stand up and do it who 297 00:10:41,580 --> 00:10:43,500 Right. And had too much wine. Too much 298 00:10:43,500 --> 00:10:45,580 wine or just isn't good at those things. 299 00:10:45,580 --> 00:10:47,820 It's inevitably too long if they've had too 300 00:10:47,820 --> 00:10:49,740 much wine. And when they start to cry, 301 00:10:49,740 --> 00:10:51,899 then you know it's time to And also, 302 00:10:51,899 --> 00:10:53,600 at some point, they probably 303 00:10:54,805 --> 00:10:57,605 said something they should not have said in 304 00:10:57,605 --> 00:10:58,965 it. Yeah. And, again, like, I feel like 305 00:10:58,965 --> 00:11:01,445 in TV shows that always happens. That's regular. 306 00:11:01,445 --> 00:11:03,205 I personally haven't seen it, but I'm I'm 307 00:11:03,205 --> 00:11:05,125 just I have either. Yeah. Either that or 308 00:11:05,125 --> 00:11:06,805 I was too drunk to remember it. Well 309 00:11:06,884 --> 00:11:08,644 oh, yeah. That you know? Which is, you 310 00:11:08,644 --> 00:11:10,009 know. Well, the Toastmaster. 311 00:11:10,790 --> 00:11:13,350 Okay. Okay. And Toastmasters as an organizer. She 312 00:11:13,350 --> 00:11:15,670 really shifted over it. On it. Right? And 313 00:11:15,670 --> 00:11:17,850 I Amber. When I wrote an article, 314 00:11:18,470 --> 00:11:20,310 oh, I think I think it was several 315 00:11:20,310 --> 00:11:21,050 months ago 316 00:11:21,495 --> 00:11:23,575 that was published in Toastmaster. Oh, did you? 317 00:11:23,575 --> 00:11:26,875 Oh, well. About public speaking across cultures. Hey. 318 00:11:27,095 --> 00:11:29,414 Wow. Okay. Yeah. And so I thought, let's 319 00:11:29,414 --> 00:11:30,774 take a look at like, I made I 320 00:11:30,774 --> 00:11:32,934 said, you know, top 10 tips for public 321 00:11:32,934 --> 00:11:34,889 speaking across cultures. Oh, cool. 322 00:11:35,290 --> 00:11:36,970 And, if we take a look at them 323 00:11:37,210 --> 00:11:38,490 Alright. We can pull it up. I would 324 00:11:38,490 --> 00:11:40,670 like to ask Tom Uh-oh. 325 00:11:41,049 --> 00:11:42,910 What? My colleague, dear friend. 326 00:11:44,330 --> 00:11:45,070 What's happening? 327 00:11:46,009 --> 00:11:48,670 What do you mean? Collegial philosopher. Cannot. 328 00:11:49,684 --> 00:11:51,845 Can I get a, another glass of wine 329 00:11:51,845 --> 00:11:53,544 first? No. Oh, okay. 330 00:11:54,245 --> 00:11:55,684 Torin, do you do you have them? I 331 00:11:55,684 --> 00:11:57,605 have pulled it up. Yes. Okay. Okay. So 332 00:11:57,605 --> 00:12:00,324 there are 10 suggestions about public speaking across 333 00:12:00,324 --> 00:12:02,324 cultures. So let's No. I have an idea. 334 00:12:02,324 --> 00:12:03,764 Okay. So I'm gonna read the, 335 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,220 sentence right before we get into your rules. 336 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:08,799 And then each rule has sort of a 337 00:12:08,799 --> 00:12:09,299 headline. 338 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:11,700 So why don't I read the headline, and 339 00:12:11,759 --> 00:12:14,019 let's see what he thinks you're talking about. 340 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:15,840 Okay. How's that sound? Oh, that's good. Like, 341 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,240 which culture am I talking about? Yeah. Or 342 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:19,860 or yeah. And what's what's the 343 00:12:20,495 --> 00:12:23,215 concept that you're discussing? Yeah. Okay. 344 00:12:23,855 --> 00:12:25,375 It says here are my top 10 rules 345 00:12:25,375 --> 00:12:28,095 for communicating across culture successfully no matter where 346 00:12:28,095 --> 00:12:30,414 in the world you are. And it goes 347 00:12:30,414 --> 00:12:32,434 ten, nine, etcetera to one. 348 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,120 So number 10 In that order. In that 349 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:35,620 order. 350 00:12:36,399 --> 00:12:38,000 Wait a minute. I'm I'm already lost. I 351 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:38,820 know you are. 352 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:42,820 Rule number 10 More wine, please. The headline. 353 00:12:42,879 --> 00:12:46,259 Rule number 10 ways. Learn the communication style. 354 00:12:46,764 --> 00:12:49,264 What does that mean? What learn the communication 355 00:12:49,644 --> 00:12:50,144 style? 356 00:12:50,924 --> 00:12:54,065 Right. What's he talking about? Style is broad. 357 00:12:54,445 --> 00:12:55,565 Okay? So, 358 00:12:56,605 --> 00:12:58,225 when I when I say that, I mean, 359 00:12:58,684 --> 00:13:00,784 the communication style can be very, 360 00:13:02,159 --> 00:13:05,200 very verbal, very physical, but more often is 361 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:06,820 some combination of both. 362 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,000 But there is going to be a kind 363 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:10,399 of 364 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:12,639 if you don't 365 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,299 if you're doing things in your 366 00:13:15,975 --> 00:13:16,475 basic, 367 00:13:17,894 --> 00:13:18,394 culture, 368 00:13:18,774 --> 00:13:20,794 in your in your communication style, 369 00:13:21,254 --> 00:13:24,554 there's a possibility you could run into conflict 370 00:13:24,615 --> 00:13:26,615 with whomever you're in front of if they're 371 00:13:26,615 --> 00:13:28,075 not from that culture. 372 00:13:28,730 --> 00:13:30,490 Okay. I like that. I because I think 373 00:13:30,490 --> 00:13:32,750 that's what I was meaning to say. Generally 374 00:13:32,809 --> 00:13:35,450 generally correct. Yeah. I I think so. Oh, 375 00:13:35,450 --> 00:13:37,070 generally correct. I remember him. 376 00:13:38,009 --> 00:13:39,850 Lee correct. Lee correct. Lee's a good guy. 377 00:13:39,850 --> 00:13:41,115 Yeah. I think he's a character in Mash. 378 00:13:41,195 --> 00:13:43,375 He was correct. Yeah. Him and cockeye. 379 00:13:44,714 --> 00:13:47,914 Cockeye and General Lee. Alright. Oh, that's good. 380 00:13:47,914 --> 00:13:50,014 Okay. We've got a good show going here. 381 00:13:50,075 --> 00:13:51,355 I I think we have a pitch. But 382 00:13:51,355 --> 00:13:52,475 now we just have to come up with 383 00:13:52,475 --> 00:13:53,914 a pitch, and I think we've got it. 384 00:13:53,914 --> 00:13:55,870 Yep. Yep. Okay. Not bad. Yeah. I what 385 00:13:55,870 --> 00:13:57,090 I was really intending, 386 00:13:57,710 --> 00:13:59,309 to refer what I was referring to was 387 00:13:59,309 --> 00:13:59,809 that 388 00:14:00,110 --> 00:14:01,870 all around the world, you have this difference 389 00:14:01,870 --> 00:14:02,370 in 390 00:14:02,830 --> 00:14:05,490 direct communicators and indirect communicators. 391 00:14:06,894 --> 00:14:09,534 Okay. So for various reasons, there may be 392 00:14:09,534 --> 00:14:11,394 things that you that you cannot, 393 00:14:12,174 --> 00:14:13,794 directly comment on. 394 00:14:14,654 --> 00:14:16,975 You have to indirectly allude to them. We 395 00:14:16,975 --> 00:14:18,735 all know this. Right? There are certain things 396 00:14:18,735 --> 00:14:19,394 that we 397 00:14:19,709 --> 00:14:22,429 politically correct and not politically correct, quote, unquote, 398 00:14:22,429 --> 00:14:23,629 to use that term. Yep. 399 00:14:24,110 --> 00:14:25,470 That may not have anything to do with 400 00:14:25,470 --> 00:14:27,649 politics, but you know what it means. Mhmm. 401 00:14:27,709 --> 00:14:30,429 And so if you're a public speaker, you've 402 00:14:30,429 --> 00:14:31,250 gotta know 403 00:14:31,784 --> 00:14:32,284 how 404 00:14:32,825 --> 00:14:34,204 indirect or direct 405 00:14:34,584 --> 00:14:37,225 the orientation of your culture is in order 406 00:14:37,225 --> 00:14:39,704 to focus your remarks in a way where 407 00:14:39,704 --> 00:14:40,684 they'll be understood, 408 00:14:41,304 --> 00:14:43,404 where it it fits with the expectations 409 00:14:43,784 --> 00:14:45,004 of the of the listener. 410 00:14:45,519 --> 00:14:45,839 And, 411 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:48,879 that's something that you gotta do your research 412 00:14:48,879 --> 00:14:49,919 on. I mean, there 413 00:14:50,799 --> 00:14:53,779 Japan, for example, is an indirect 414 00:14:54,159 --> 00:14:56,879 communicating culture. Mhmm. It there are so many 415 00:14:56,879 --> 00:14:59,139 things that we all understand in Japan 416 00:14:59,865 --> 00:15:02,745 that mean things that nobody else understands that 417 00:15:02,745 --> 00:15:05,465 they mean. Mhmm. Okay. And so how is 418 00:15:05,465 --> 00:15:07,625 an outsider who's gonna be speaking in Japan 419 00:15:07,625 --> 00:15:10,184 going to go navigate that? Yeah. Andy, can 420 00:15:10,184 --> 00:15:11,625 I ask you refer to Japan in the 421 00:15:11,625 --> 00:15:13,779 article here as a, the Japanese culture as 422 00:15:13,779 --> 00:15:15,860 a high context culture? Do you know what 423 00:15:15,860 --> 00:15:18,899 that means? Yeah. That the what what you 424 00:15:18,899 --> 00:15:20,279 really mean to say 425 00:15:20,740 --> 00:15:22,899 is embedded not in the words, but in 426 00:15:22,899 --> 00:15:24,899 the con not in the content of your 427 00:15:24,899 --> 00:15:25,799 of your comments, 428 00:15:26,179 --> 00:15:27,480 but in the context 429 00:15:28,245 --> 00:15:30,904 in which the comments are being made. Oh, 430 00:15:30,965 --> 00:15:31,465 okay. 431 00:15:31,845 --> 00:15:34,804 So that changes the whole approach to how 432 00:15:34,804 --> 00:15:37,205 you are going to Mhmm. Say just about 433 00:15:37,205 --> 00:15:38,264 anything. Sure. 434 00:15:38,644 --> 00:15:41,044 Now this has lots of consequences in business 435 00:15:41,044 --> 00:15:43,820 and and and and in social life, but 436 00:15:43,820 --> 00:15:46,139 also in public speaking. You get up there 437 00:15:46,139 --> 00:15:46,639 and 438 00:15:47,659 --> 00:15:50,799 you're trying to communicate in a way that 439 00:15:51,179 --> 00:15:51,679 is, 440 00:15:52,139 --> 00:15:53,120 if you're a Westerner, 441 00:15:53,580 --> 00:15:54,639 far more direct 442 00:15:55,259 --> 00:15:55,759 than 443 00:15:56,254 --> 00:15:58,355 typically appropriate in a Japanese 444 00:15:58,815 --> 00:15:59,315 context. 445 00:16:00,014 --> 00:16:02,034 So in some way could be taken 446 00:16:02,654 --> 00:16:04,014 poorly, let's just say, 447 00:16:04,654 --> 00:16:06,995 for one reason or another. Or maybe completely 448 00:16:07,054 --> 00:16:07,554 misunderstood. 449 00:16:08,095 --> 00:16:10,754 Well, but you may not be again without 450 00:16:11,049 --> 00:16:13,290 without the research done ahead of time, you 451 00:16:13,290 --> 00:16:15,070 may not have been aware of that. 452 00:16:15,529 --> 00:16:17,850 Precisely. But to some degree, you're kind of 453 00:16:17,850 --> 00:16:20,590 responsible for being more aware of that 454 00:16:20,970 --> 00:16:23,049 or not putting yourself in a position where 455 00:16:23,049 --> 00:16:25,764 you're going down that path. Because you won't 456 00:16:25,764 --> 00:16:28,325 understand you won't understand what's what's what's happening. 457 00:16:28,325 --> 00:16:30,485 And and and because of other aspects of 458 00:16:30,485 --> 00:16:33,524 Japanese culture, like the need to always protect 459 00:16:33,524 --> 00:16:34,024 face, 460 00:16:34,485 --> 00:16:37,605 which means you'll never kind of know that 461 00:16:37,605 --> 00:16:40,184 you did anything wrong or said anything wrong 462 00:16:40,529 --> 00:16:41,990 because it's the obligation 463 00:16:42,449 --> 00:16:45,110 of your Japanese hosts or audience 464 00:16:45,809 --> 00:16:46,309 to, 465 00:16:47,089 --> 00:16:48,690 in in case in the case of an 466 00:16:48,690 --> 00:16:49,829 audience, to applaud, 467 00:16:50,209 --> 00:16:51,649 to make you feel like you did well 468 00:16:51,970 --> 00:16:54,610 Yeah. Even though you may not have. Yeah. 469 00:16:54,610 --> 00:16:57,625 Even though you may may have seriously screwed 470 00:16:57,625 --> 00:17:00,444 up. I mean, there's an example of somebody 471 00:17:01,225 --> 00:17:04,265 making the very critical mistake, a westerner in 472 00:17:04,265 --> 00:17:04,765 Japan, 473 00:17:05,144 --> 00:17:07,784 of telling a joke. Now now jokes across 474 00:17:07,784 --> 00:17:10,809 cultures do not translate well at all. Yeah. 475 00:17:10,809 --> 00:17:12,970 Well, just kind of very quickly off of 476 00:17:12,970 --> 00:17:15,769 that. Getting dangerous territory. Right? It jokes are 477 00:17:15,769 --> 00:17:18,190 dangerous anyway. They're not necessarily 478 00:17:18,650 --> 00:17:20,410 because there's I'm saying that only because there's 479 00:17:20,410 --> 00:17:22,170 a lot of talk about a good thing 480 00:17:22,170 --> 00:17:23,684 to do is start off with a joke. 481 00:17:24,325 --> 00:17:26,245 Warm people up. And that's in your own 482 00:17:26,245 --> 00:17:28,085 culture. In your own culture, but what's funny 483 00:17:28,085 --> 00:17:30,085 in your culture may be very offensive in 484 00:17:30,085 --> 00:17:31,845 another Here's the bottom line of it. Translation. 485 00:17:31,845 --> 00:17:33,525 Yeah. You also may not be very good 486 00:17:33,525 --> 00:17:35,924 at telling them jokes. And if you're not 487 00:17:35,924 --> 00:17:38,005 good at telling jokes, don't tell jokes. Right. 488 00:17:38,005 --> 00:17:39,839 Yeah. Don't And that's I don't care what 489 00:17:39,839 --> 00:17:42,240 your culture is. Humor is good. Jokes are 490 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,400 not. Yeah. So you need a different form 491 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:45,920 of humor. Yeah. And be good at that 492 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:47,920 too. Otherwise, just stick to what you're doing. 493 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:49,200 Right. It's like you. I tell you all 494 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:50,819 the time. Don't be funny. Right. 495 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:52,819 Self deprecating humor 496 00:17:53,444 --> 00:17:55,845 is is good. Right. Sure. Well, that's gonna 497 00:17:55,845 --> 00:17:58,424 depend on the culture, isn't it? It's it's 498 00:17:58,484 --> 00:18:00,804 more or less good, but gooder in some 499 00:18:00,804 --> 00:18:03,224 and not so gooder than others. Yeah. Sure. 500 00:18:03,365 --> 00:18:04,618 Sure. But here's what happened to the guy 501 00:18:04,618 --> 00:18:06,085 just That was grammar, by the way, wasn't 502 00:18:06,085 --> 00:18:08,950 it? Yeah. Well, yeah. It was. More gooder? 503 00:18:08,950 --> 00:18:11,130 Is it more gooder? Grammar time in there. 504 00:18:11,349 --> 00:18:14,329 Grammar time. Grammar time. It was. Okay. Everybody 505 00:18:14,390 --> 00:18:16,309 loves grammar time. Alright. So there was this 506 00:18:16,309 --> 00:18:18,789 guy in Japan standing up there trying to 507 00:18:18,789 --> 00:18:21,994 make a joke, and he's being translated because 508 00:18:22,054 --> 00:18:23,894 in because nobody in the audience is speaking 509 00:18:23,894 --> 00:18:24,794 English. Right? 510 00:18:25,174 --> 00:18:28,054 And, so the translator goes, now he's telling 511 00:18:28,054 --> 00:18:28,714 a joke. 512 00:18:29,734 --> 00:18:30,234 And 513 00:18:30,615 --> 00:18:32,694 now he's getting to the punchline. Yeah. The 514 00:18:32,694 --> 00:18:34,730 best jokes are told in that way. And 515 00:18:34,730 --> 00:18:36,670 then go well And then in many situations. 516 00:18:36,769 --> 00:18:39,289 And then the translator goes, now everybody laugh. 517 00:18:39,289 --> 00:18:41,769 Yeah. Okay. Because nobody got it. It it 518 00:18:41,769 --> 00:18:44,730 didn't translate across the culture. Right? And and 519 00:18:44,730 --> 00:18:46,330 he didn't know that nobody got it. He 520 00:18:46,330 --> 00:18:48,275 thought it was a big success. Right. Right. 521 00:18:48,494 --> 00:18:50,414 Because Because in Japan, we had to save 522 00:18:50,414 --> 00:18:53,055 his face. Right. Oh, interesting. Okay. And you 523 00:18:53,055 --> 00:18:55,215 mentioned the article too, Dean, that Dutch culture 524 00:18:55,215 --> 00:18:57,055 is a low context culture. So I assume 525 00:18:57,055 --> 00:18:58,815 that meaning that comments tend to be a 526 00:18:58,815 --> 00:19:00,980 little bit more direct. You can be very 527 00:19:00,980 --> 00:19:02,899 much direct. I mean, one of the one 528 00:19:02,899 --> 00:19:04,679 of the great complaints by 529 00:19:05,220 --> 00:19:05,720 many, 530 00:19:06,179 --> 00:19:09,159 other Europeans and North Americans is that 531 00:19:09,619 --> 00:19:11,379 the the Dutch are going to say it 532 00:19:11,379 --> 00:19:12,819 the way they need to say it in 533 00:19:12,819 --> 00:19:14,440 order for you to understand it. 534 00:19:14,775 --> 00:19:16,855 And that was very blunt. Oh, that was 535 00:19:16,855 --> 00:19:19,195 very that was too direct. That was Mhmm. 536 00:19:19,255 --> 00:19:21,755 It was not done nicely. 537 00:19:22,055 --> 00:19:24,295 You know? Yeah. Well, the Dutch are gonna 538 00:19:24,295 --> 00:19:24,795 say, 539 00:19:25,414 --> 00:19:27,575 but that's the fact. Right. Right. You know? 540 00:19:27,575 --> 00:19:29,575 What's the problem with that? But it it's 541 00:19:29,654 --> 00:19:31,630 don't take it personally. Let's just deal with 542 00:19:31,630 --> 00:19:34,670 the problem. Right. Okay. Right. Okay. So let 543 00:19:34,750 --> 00:19:36,430 let's make this into a game show format 544 00:19:36,430 --> 00:19:38,349 somewhat if this is gonna be a terrible 545 00:19:38,349 --> 00:19:40,109 scale. So I did really well on the 546 00:19:40,109 --> 00:19:40,769 first one. 547 00:19:41,070 --> 00:19:42,829 You did. You got a thousand points. Well, 548 00:19:42,829 --> 00:19:44,109 so but here's my question. 549 00:19:44,509 --> 00:19:45,835 Thousand. If we do, well, if we do 550 00:19:45,835 --> 00:19:46,974 have 25, 551 00:19:48,154 --> 00:19:50,954 terrible scale, 25 being knocked it out of 552 00:19:50,954 --> 00:19:53,115 the park. Wait a minute. You you twenty 553 00:19:53,115 --> 00:19:55,034 five five. We're gonna do four of these, 554 00:19:55,034 --> 00:19:56,714 and I wanna get to a hundred. So 555 00:19:57,034 --> 00:19:59,755 okay. 25. Alright. Go ahead. 25 being the 556 00:19:59,755 --> 00:20:01,970 best it could be, one being terrible. No. 557 00:20:01,970 --> 00:20:04,690 Why don't we say a thousand points Okay. 558 00:20:04,850 --> 00:20:06,289 And if we do four of them Just 559 00:20:06,289 --> 00:20:08,690 4,000 divided by four or whatever we get 560 00:20:08,690 --> 00:20:09,490 divided by four, 561 00:20:10,450 --> 00:20:11,190 4,000. 562 00:20:11,410 --> 00:20:13,009 It's it's a base of 40. Not a 563 00:20:13,009 --> 00:20:14,450 point. Why don't we do it as a 564 00:20:14,450 --> 00:20:15,670 base of a hundred? 565 00:20:16,465 --> 00:20:18,785 If I get a hundred, that's good. How's 566 00:20:18,785 --> 00:20:19,285 that? 567 00:20:19,825 --> 00:20:20,325 Okay. 568 00:20:20,785 --> 00:20:22,005 So that means What? 569 00:20:22,945 --> 00:20:24,065 25,000 570 00:20:24,065 --> 00:20:27,045 points for each one. Okay. Hold on. Bartenders, 571 00:20:27,424 --> 00:20:28,884 you can put the wine away. 572 00:20:29,349 --> 00:20:31,429 Okay. Thank you. You get a 22. 573 00:20:31,429 --> 00:20:33,589 Except bring another class from me. Out of 574 00:20:33,589 --> 00:20:35,129 a thousand of soca beers. 575 00:20:35,909 --> 00:20:37,669 Okay. So for Maybe we scraped that out. 576 00:20:37,750 --> 00:20:39,349 22 out of 25. Is that what you're 577 00:20:39,349 --> 00:20:41,609 saying? First twenty five thousand points. 578 00:20:42,944 --> 00:20:46,484 What? The first twenty five thousand points. 579 00:20:47,744 --> 00:20:50,644 Here's an idea. Let's just do them. Okay. 580 00:20:56,500 --> 00:20:58,100 Roll number five. I'm gonna do well on 581 00:20:58,100 --> 00:21:00,100 all of them anyway. Oh, sure. Okay. Sure. 582 00:21:00,100 --> 00:21:01,720 Rule number five. Yes. 583 00:21:02,100 --> 00:21:03,240 Oh, and I think, 584 00:21:03,940 --> 00:21:06,180 Dean may have just alluded to this. Rule 585 00:21:06,180 --> 00:21:09,355 number five, respect the need for face, and 586 00:21:09,355 --> 00:21:10,815 faces in quotation marks. 587 00:21:11,674 --> 00:21:14,255 Okay. Well, that's, it's kind of unfair because 588 00:21:14,315 --> 00:21:16,174 Dean has just done a very brilliant, 589 00:21:16,634 --> 00:21:19,134 job of Well, that assumes you were listening. 590 00:21:19,434 --> 00:21:21,740 Well, that's a good point because I really 591 00:21:21,740 --> 00:21:23,899 wasn't mostly. Well, I'm not gonna repeat myself. 592 00:21:23,899 --> 00:21:25,519 Well, well So let's move on to this. 593 00:21:26,779 --> 00:21:27,279 So 594 00:21:28,539 --> 00:21:28,779 I, 595 00:21:29,339 --> 00:21:31,759 but face would be more like, 596 00:21:32,380 --> 00:21:34,940 saving your own kind of self esteem but 597 00:21:34,940 --> 00:21:36,775 more of a an esteem in front of 598 00:21:36,775 --> 00:21:38,055 the public, I think. Yeah. I think you 599 00:21:38,055 --> 00:21:39,894 nailed it. In in that kind of thing. 600 00:21:39,894 --> 00:21:42,375 It's what how how you're seen. You don't 601 00:21:42,375 --> 00:21:44,535 wanna be seen as fill in the blank, 602 00:21:44,535 --> 00:21:47,414 whatever, negative. And different cultures are going to 603 00:21:47,414 --> 00:21:50,535 use different benchmarks or standards for what determines 604 00:21:50,535 --> 00:21:54,039 that. So in some cultures, your authority needs 605 00:21:54,039 --> 00:21:55,259 to be understood 606 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,099 ahead of time in order for them to 607 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,960 grant you the honor of listening to your 608 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,595 comments Yes. Or public speaking. Yes. So so 609 00:22:05,595 --> 00:22:07,595 and so who is and then all of 610 00:22:07,595 --> 00:22:10,154 your act all all of your credits, all 611 00:22:10,154 --> 00:22:11,934 of your accomplishments, all of your 612 00:22:12,315 --> 00:22:12,974 your degrees 613 00:22:13,835 --> 00:22:15,134 has to be understood 614 00:22:15,755 --> 00:22:17,454 in order to be able to 615 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,619 to to generate the kind of respect 616 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,160 that the audience needs to give you. In 617 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,000 other cultures, and and I would say in 618 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:25,980 The US culture, 619 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,240 we don't need all that. We don't want 620 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,934 all that. Anybody bragging, quote, unquote, about their 621 00:22:32,934 --> 00:22:35,115 achievements or their success or their credits, 622 00:22:36,055 --> 00:22:38,695 that's no reason to to brag. Just tell 623 00:22:38,695 --> 00:22:40,855 us the the latest and greatest right now. 624 00:22:40,855 --> 00:22:43,494 And and and if it's interesting and useful, 625 00:22:43,494 --> 00:22:45,595 then we'll then we'll then we'll buy it. 626 00:22:46,029 --> 00:22:47,630 But it's not because of your not because 627 00:22:47,630 --> 00:22:49,410 of your degrees or your or your accreditation. 628 00:22:50,029 --> 00:22:51,869 Right. Right. We if if you can have 629 00:22:51,869 --> 00:22:53,230 all the accreditation in the world and if 630 00:22:53,230 --> 00:22:54,910 you don't bring something to the table right 631 00:22:54,910 --> 00:22:57,630 here, we don't we don't care. Right. Or 632 00:22:57,630 --> 00:22:59,549 we'll tell you to be quiet. Which is 633 00:22:59,549 --> 00:23:01,835 also the reason why we have more cultures 634 00:23:01,835 --> 00:23:03,855 that rely on formalities and 635 00:23:04,555 --> 00:23:07,755 and traditions while other cultures are breaking formality 636 00:23:07,755 --> 00:23:09,835 and tradition all the time. Sure. What was 637 00:23:09,835 --> 00:23:11,914 that noise, by the way, in in just 638 00:23:11,914 --> 00:23:13,914 a few minutes ago? Did you hear that? 639 00:23:14,075 --> 00:23:15,615 Yes. That was the, robot. 640 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,039 Oh, okay. Fine. Okay. Was pouring us some 641 00:23:18,039 --> 00:23:20,200 more wine. Oh, good. Well, the doing a 642 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:21,960 heck of a job. It really really is. 643 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,279 Was that the robot tamata? Yes. It was. 644 00:23:24,279 --> 00:23:26,200 Robot tamata? That'd be great. Well, but we 645 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:27,960 don't wanna put the tomato human tomatoes out 646 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,234 of work. That's true. That's true. You gotta 647 00:23:30,234 --> 00:23:31,914 think about that. You really do. You really 648 00:23:31,914 --> 00:23:33,275 do. I think you nailed that one. I 649 00:23:33,275 --> 00:23:35,434 think you got 25 out of 25. I 650 00:23:35,434 --> 00:23:36,255 really will. 651 00:23:37,755 --> 00:23:38,634 25,000 652 00:23:38,634 --> 00:23:41,134 points. Okay. You just lost 20,000,000 points. 653 00:23:42,380 --> 00:23:43,819 Okay. Roll number three. Wait a minute. I 654 00:23:43,819 --> 00:23:45,659 wanna talk about the robotic Tamata for a 655 00:23:45,659 --> 00:23:47,599 second. Okay. Of course. Oh. 656 00:23:47,980 --> 00:23:50,539 Okay. There it was again. Yeah. Oh, it's 657 00:23:50,539 --> 00:23:52,299 still pouring. It's well, it's doing a heck 658 00:23:52,299 --> 00:23:53,659 of a job by the way. I I 659 00:23:53,659 --> 00:23:55,579 called I'm talking about it. Yeah. It's like 660 00:23:55,579 --> 00:23:57,704 Siri. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I just activate everyone's 661 00:23:57,704 --> 00:23:59,464 series. Let's make sure. Siri could be an 662 00:23:59,464 --> 00:24:00,444 interesting tomato. 663 00:24:01,464 --> 00:24:02,285 It could be. 664 00:24:02,904 --> 00:24:03,404 Next, 665 00:24:03,865 --> 00:24:05,005 rule number three. 666 00:24:05,865 --> 00:24:08,765 Determine the cultural let me start again. Determine 667 00:24:08,825 --> 00:24:10,765 the cultural comfort with risk. 668 00:24:12,329 --> 00:24:14,329 Determine the cultural comfort with risk. Risk or 669 00:24:14,329 --> 00:24:15,630 not. The game? 670 00:24:16,170 --> 00:24:17,450 That's what I was wondering if it was 671 00:24:17,450 --> 00:24:18,970 part of the game. Old board game? Well, 672 00:24:18,970 --> 00:24:21,289 in The US and maybe probably across the 673 00:24:21,289 --> 00:24:22,910 many parts of of the world, 674 00:24:23,355 --> 00:24:25,515 It's an old Milton Bradley board game. Is 675 00:24:25,515 --> 00:24:27,694 that what Dean's referring to here? No. 676 00:24:28,474 --> 00:24:29,214 No. Well, 677 00:24:29,755 --> 00:24:33,194 not really. Although that game is based on 678 00:24:33,194 --> 00:24:34,575 whether you want to 679 00:24:34,954 --> 00:24:36,394 go ahead and take risk or not or 680 00:24:36,394 --> 00:24:38,500 you'd rather stay away from risk. And I 681 00:24:38,500 --> 00:24:40,679 think that's what Dean's referring to 682 00:24:41,059 --> 00:24:43,140 generally within a culture as to whether a 683 00:24:43,140 --> 00:24:43,640 speaker 684 00:24:44,179 --> 00:24:46,259 Then I think maybe if Take it from 685 00:24:46,259 --> 00:24:48,179 the speaker's point of view. I think a 686 00:24:48,179 --> 00:24:50,440 speaker has to know whether they feel comfortable 687 00:24:51,220 --> 00:24:52,039 with actually 688 00:24:52,595 --> 00:24:54,375 taking a risk in front 689 00:24:55,154 --> 00:24:55,815 of a 690 00:24:56,434 --> 00:24:58,355 the the audience. Whatever that audience is made 691 00:24:58,355 --> 00:25:00,835 up of. And whatever determines a risk for 692 00:25:00,835 --> 00:25:02,914 that audience. Well, well that's the other side 693 00:25:02,914 --> 00:25:05,335 because I'm saying from from the speakers viewpoint 694 00:25:05,394 --> 00:25:07,900 first. But you're right. I think there's then 695 00:25:07,900 --> 00:25:09,359 also taking into consideration 696 00:25:10,220 --> 00:25:13,279 that there is an audience there who is 697 00:25:14,539 --> 00:25:15,119 who may, 698 00:25:15,900 --> 00:25:17,359 see risk differently. 699 00:25:18,059 --> 00:25:20,924 And and maybe see that you're you're not 700 00:25:20,924 --> 00:25:22,964 really telling us what you should be telling 701 00:25:22,964 --> 00:25:23,784 us or 702 00:25:24,884 --> 00:25:27,125 I can't believe they said that in front 703 00:25:27,125 --> 00:25:29,765 of us. So yeah. So if it's maybe 704 00:25:29,765 --> 00:25:30,744 more risk 705 00:25:31,284 --> 00:25:32,345 is it is it less 706 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,680 comfortable with risk? Risk. Yeah. Then maybe more 707 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,480 information is required. That's right. Yeah. I I 708 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,799 think that's going down a particular avenue. So 709 00:25:40,799 --> 00:25:42,820 before you expect me to to 710 00:25:44,494 --> 00:25:46,515 to endorse your ideas, 711 00:25:47,455 --> 00:25:49,855 to support your ideas, me as the audience, 712 00:25:49,855 --> 00:25:52,115 as the listener, I need a lot more 713 00:25:52,255 --> 00:25:52,755 information 714 00:25:53,535 --> 00:25:55,234 or I need a lot more 715 00:25:55,615 --> 00:25:58,275 of things that for me would confirm 716 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,360 the the reason why I should why I 717 00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:03,059 should be listening to you. 718 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:04,580 In 719 00:26:05,039 --> 00:26:07,200 other cultures, I don't have to provide so 720 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:07,940 much information. 721 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,174 Maybe my my achievements speak for themselves. Okay. 722 00:26:12,174 --> 00:26:13,615 And so I just say what I need 723 00:26:13,615 --> 00:26:15,394 to say and and you're gonna buy it. 724 00:26:15,855 --> 00:26:17,855 Sure. I would also say in in when 725 00:26:17,855 --> 00:26:18,355 I 726 00:26:18,734 --> 00:26:20,115 teach speaking in public, 727 00:26:21,055 --> 00:26:23,315 I I make sure that people understand that 728 00:26:23,375 --> 00:26:26,174 it is important to understand where your audience 729 00:26:26,174 --> 00:26:27,394 is coming from. 730 00:26:27,849 --> 00:26:29,369 And which culture they're coming? What are they 731 00:26:29,529 --> 00:26:31,450 In your case, what you're talking about is 732 00:26:31,450 --> 00:26:34,809 throwing the culture aspect in across borders. And, 733 00:26:36,089 --> 00:26:38,269 absolutely, that has to be taken into consideration. 734 00:26:38,329 --> 00:26:39,389 If you do not, 735 00:26:39,815 --> 00:26:42,055 then and you're talking about the Japanese approach 736 00:26:42,055 --> 00:26:45,194 to it, general Japanese approach, and being 737 00:26:45,734 --> 00:26:47,835 I guess we would describe it as kind 738 00:26:48,134 --> 00:26:51,355 to the speaker, but that person should have 739 00:26:51,494 --> 00:26:54,430 an awareness of where the boundaries are. Where 740 00:26:54,430 --> 00:26:55,950 those boundaries are. What they can say and 741 00:26:55,950 --> 00:26:57,430 not say. Which takes us to a question 742 00:26:57,549 --> 00:26:58,830 Oh, the way they can say it. That 743 00:26:58,830 --> 00:27:00,590 I'm gonna raise around this is what happens 744 00:27:00,590 --> 00:27:02,450 when you're talking to a global audience? 745 00:27:03,390 --> 00:27:05,150 Well, then you have to go somewhere when 746 00:27:05,150 --> 00:27:06,670 you're you're somewhere in the middle. But here's 747 00:27:06,670 --> 00:27:08,750 the thing too. I don't think a a 748 00:27:08,750 --> 00:27:09,490 good speaker 749 00:27:09,914 --> 00:27:10,735 can completely 750 00:27:11,835 --> 00:27:13,535 alter everything they do, 751 00:27:14,555 --> 00:27:16,174 based on an audience. 752 00:27:16,634 --> 00:27:19,055 I think they have to have some ability 753 00:27:19,355 --> 00:27:20,494 to bring to 754 00:27:20,795 --> 00:27:22,095 their their talk 755 00:27:22,490 --> 00:27:26,090 themselves. Oh, absolutely. Authenticity is critical. Right. You 756 00:27:26,090 --> 00:27:27,950 never, never lose your authenticity. 757 00:27:28,490 --> 00:27:30,650 But what you do is you you you 758 00:27:30,650 --> 00:27:32,730 say what you say and be and act 759 00:27:32,730 --> 00:27:34,750 and do what you do in a way 760 00:27:35,609 --> 00:27:36,190 that understands 761 00:27:37,955 --> 00:27:40,215 how what you're doing is being taken 762 00:27:40,595 --> 00:27:42,755 by others. I just think when you brought 763 00:27:42,755 --> 00:27:44,595 up the idea of the of the global 764 00:27:44,595 --> 00:27:47,095 of the global audience, I think that there's 765 00:27:48,595 --> 00:27:50,195 I I think at a certain point, you 766 00:27:50,195 --> 00:27:52,169 have to go, okay. This is a very 767 00:27:52,169 --> 00:27:52,669 diverse 768 00:27:53,049 --> 00:27:56,329 audience. Right. I I should keep things within 769 00:27:56,329 --> 00:27:57,069 these boundaries, 770 00:27:57,609 --> 00:28:00,569 but Mhmm. Some people will not like some 771 00:28:00,569 --> 00:28:03,690 things that I say or and or the 772 00:28:03,690 --> 00:28:05,845 way I say them. And I can only 773 00:28:05,845 --> 00:28:07,924 do so much for that because of the 774 00:28:07,924 --> 00:28:08,424 broadness 775 00:28:08,724 --> 00:28:10,884 of the demographics of this audience. No. I'll 776 00:28:10,884 --> 00:28:12,164 tell you what happened to me. I was 777 00:28:12,164 --> 00:28:14,644 I was making a presentation in Hong Kong 778 00:28:14,804 --> 00:28:17,930 Mhmm. And just before I I was literally 779 00:28:17,930 --> 00:28:20,170 stepping out from behind the proscenium onto the 780 00:28:20,170 --> 00:28:20,670 stage, 781 00:28:21,849 --> 00:28:22,170 this, 782 00:28:22,970 --> 00:28:24,569 the Hong Kong Chinese fellow came up to 783 00:28:24,569 --> 00:28:26,490 me, one of my colleagues there, and he 784 00:28:26,490 --> 00:28:26,990 said, 785 00:28:28,170 --> 00:28:29,869 you know, a good way to start 786 00:28:30,244 --> 00:28:33,125 is to just apologize to everybody. Mhmm. You 787 00:28:33,125 --> 00:28:35,305 know, make an apology because that 788 00:28:35,605 --> 00:28:37,765 shows well, he didn't even go into that 789 00:28:37,765 --> 00:28:39,625 because I understood what that was. 790 00:28:40,565 --> 00:28:42,565 He said, but it it it and it 791 00:28:42,565 --> 00:28:45,205 is very common in in Chinese culture to 792 00:28:45,205 --> 00:28:46,500 kind of apologize, 793 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,440 which is a way of demurring, which is 794 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,099 a way of showing humility, which is actually 795 00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:54,480 related to face because what you're doing is 796 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,599 you're actually giving yourself more face by being 797 00:28:57,599 --> 00:28:59,460 that way. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. 798 00:29:01,394 --> 00:29:02,455 But as the Westerner, 799 00:29:02,914 --> 00:29:05,575 I knew also that people like 800 00:29:05,955 --> 00:29:08,914 something light and something to warm up, like, 801 00:29:08,914 --> 00:29:11,575 quote unquote, the joke, but not a joke. 802 00:29:11,795 --> 00:29:13,319 Right. Something like that. 803 00:29:14,279 --> 00:29:16,759 So, basically, I went out and I said, 804 00:29:16,759 --> 00:29:17,159 look. 805 00:29:17,559 --> 00:29:20,139 I know that when I start a presentation 806 00:29:20,599 --> 00:29:23,159 and I like to start with something that's 807 00:29:23,159 --> 00:29:25,799 humorous and funny, but I know that something 808 00:29:25,799 --> 00:29:28,484 in in Hong Kong might be to start 809 00:29:28,804 --> 00:29:29,464 more effective, 810 00:29:30,005 --> 00:29:32,565 with an apology. So I'm gonna apologize that 811 00:29:32,565 --> 00:29:34,244 I don't have any jokes to tell. Yeah. 812 00:29:34,244 --> 00:29:36,804 Right. Right. And that itself became a joke. 813 00:29:36,804 --> 00:29:38,184 Sure. Right? Good. 814 00:29:38,565 --> 00:29:39,845 And that was kind of like a warm 815 00:29:39,845 --> 00:29:41,944 way to to to make it a multicultural 816 00:29:42,565 --> 00:29:44,720 experience for everybody because this is what we're 817 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:45,619 gonna talk about. 818 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,080 It it's gonna I think you can say 819 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,180 that across cultures globally, 820 00:29:51,119 --> 00:29:51,859 the people 821 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:52,820 listening 822 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,100 or the person listening even 823 00:29:56,615 --> 00:29:57,835 to another person 824 00:29:58,215 --> 00:30:00,154 wants to be comfortable with them. 825 00:30:00,535 --> 00:30:02,375 They want to feel that they are a 826 00:30:02,375 --> 00:30:02,875 human 827 00:30:03,255 --> 00:30:04,394 and that there's 828 00:30:04,695 --> 00:30:07,734 that they're going to be telling them things 829 00:30:07,734 --> 00:30:08,795 that they can 830 00:30:09,095 --> 00:30:09,595 understand 831 00:30:10,119 --> 00:30:11,640 and they're gonna be telling them things that 832 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,200 are acceptable to them. And useful for them. 833 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,200 And useful for them, sure. When I say 834 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:17,720 acceptable I don't mean that they have to 835 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,059 agree with everything. I simply mean that they 836 00:30:20,119 --> 00:30:22,039 they're being presented in a way that is 837 00:30:22,039 --> 00:30:24,565 acceptable to them. And and I think that's 838 00:30:24,565 --> 00:30:26,424 kind of a common courtesy thing 839 00:30:26,805 --> 00:30:27,785 in any culture, 840 00:30:28,085 --> 00:30:30,805 cross cultures, or within cultures. I think it's 841 00:30:30,805 --> 00:30:33,765 just the way we should address other human 842 00:30:33,765 --> 00:30:36,245 beings. Absolutely. Can I ask going back to 843 00:30:36,245 --> 00:30:38,164 the idea of speaking, if you're truly speaking 844 00:30:38,164 --> 00:30:40,359 to a global audience and with this idea 845 00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:42,140 of how much information to give, 846 00:30:42,519 --> 00:30:44,839 I mean, would you recommend, Dean, that, you 847 00:30:44,839 --> 00:30:46,359 know, an approach to take is to try 848 00:30:46,359 --> 00:30:48,039 to find that balance of, okay? I'm going 849 00:30:48,039 --> 00:30:49,559 to try to give a healthy amount of 850 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,240 you know, use your authentic voice as much 851 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,984 as you can, give a healthy amount of 852 00:30:52,984 --> 00:30:55,304 information, but not overload. Right? Try to kind 853 00:30:55,304 --> 00:30:57,784 of find a sweet spot. Or is that 854 00:30:57,944 --> 00:30:59,464 yeah. I don't No. I think you're right. 855 00:30:59,464 --> 00:31:01,144 As soon as people start to get the 856 00:31:01,144 --> 00:31:02,825 deer in the headlights, you know, as soon 857 00:31:02,825 --> 00:31:04,200 as and if any 858 00:31:04,759 --> 00:31:06,139 if you know your audience, 859 00:31:06,519 --> 00:31:08,759 if there's the risk of some of a 860 00:31:08,759 --> 00:31:11,819 significant percentage getting deer in the headlights syndrome. 861 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,440 Right. Then stop. I mean, which is why 862 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:15,500 you need to simplify, 863 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:17,819 which is why the skillful 864 00:31:18,119 --> 00:31:20,194 speaker and the skillful interpreter, 865 00:31:20,815 --> 00:31:22,755 really, is somebody who can take a complicated 866 00:31:23,214 --> 00:31:23,714 concept 867 00:31:24,414 --> 00:31:27,294 and verbalize it in a way where everybody 868 00:31:27,534 --> 00:31:28,034 Yeah. 869 00:31:28,654 --> 00:31:31,214 Everybody gets it. Yeah. Because I'm wondering too 870 00:31:31,214 --> 00:31:32,894 if it's it's a case where you're speaking 871 00:31:32,894 --> 00:31:35,069 and you don't necessarily know the audience, but 872 00:31:35,069 --> 00:31:36,849 you do know this is going out worldwide. 873 00:31:37,309 --> 00:31:38,269 Well, then you know that what you know 874 00:31:38,509 --> 00:31:39,789 Then you know your audience. Yeah. So you 875 00:31:39,869 --> 00:31:41,309 to an extent you know your audience. Yeah. 876 00:31:41,309 --> 00:31:42,750 Okay. Right. I'm just gonna give a quick 877 00:31:42,750 --> 00:31:44,750 example you gave in the article, Dean, about 878 00:31:44,750 --> 00:31:47,390 this, idea of giving information. You said my 879 00:31:47,390 --> 00:31:49,630 Korean colleagues may require more and more information 880 00:31:49,630 --> 00:31:52,255 from me before responding to my requests, while 881 00:31:52,255 --> 00:31:54,735 my Nigerian associates might suddenly decide to move 882 00:31:54,735 --> 00:31:56,975 forward with the entire plan overnight. Yeah. So 883 00:31:56,975 --> 00:32:00,174 just So Nigerians traditionally, you know, as a 884 00:32:00,174 --> 00:32:01,075 cultural definition, 885 00:32:01,615 --> 00:32:03,075 are more risk tolerant. 886 00:32:03,759 --> 00:32:05,059 We don't need the whole 887 00:32:05,359 --> 00:32:07,359 backstory, they don't need the whole Adam and 888 00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:09,299 Eve in order to take action. 889 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,079 Just enough to make them feel comfortable with 890 00:32:12,079 --> 00:32:14,420 it and on their way. And in Korea, 891 00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:16,799 we need lots of information. As is typical 892 00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:17,805 in much of East Asia, 893 00:32:18,285 --> 00:32:20,525 Lots of information before we even take a 894 00:32:20,525 --> 00:32:23,644 baby step. Okay. So there's there's that as 895 00:32:23,644 --> 00:32:24,305 a general 896 00:32:25,325 --> 00:32:27,164 structure to think about. Okay. So out of 897 00:32:27,164 --> 00:32:29,244 25, how did he do? Oh, he he 898 00:32:29,244 --> 00:32:31,565 got 13,722 899 00:32:31,565 --> 00:32:34,180 points. Good. That's what I thought too. Yeah. 900 00:32:34,180 --> 00:32:36,519 Alright. I'm putting him down for 23. 901 00:32:38,420 --> 00:32:38,920 Perfect. 902 00:32:39,460 --> 00:32:42,200 Okay. Last but not least, rule number one. 903 00:32:44,580 --> 00:32:46,900 Is this my rule number one? Yes. Like, 904 00:32:46,900 --> 00:32:49,274 the great rule of the great priority rule, 905 00:32:49,274 --> 00:32:50,875 the greatest rule of all? I don't know. 906 00:32:50,875 --> 00:32:52,234 You you wrote the article. I don't know. 907 00:32:52,234 --> 00:32:54,174 I don't remember. I don't know. 908 00:32:54,794 --> 00:32:56,954 Oh my. Is this number one because it 909 00:32:57,034 --> 00:32:59,115 because I ran out of numbers? Yes. Because 910 00:32:59,115 --> 00:33:01,115 anything below number one I don't see a 911 00:33:01,115 --> 00:33:02,654 zero or, like, a half. 912 00:33:03,230 --> 00:33:04,670 So we're gonna go with one thing. One 913 00:33:04,670 --> 00:33:06,990 because first one? It's the most important. Maybe 914 00:33:06,990 --> 00:33:08,670 that's the one you saw you thought of 915 00:33:08,670 --> 00:33:09,170 first. 916 00:33:11,470 --> 00:33:13,950 Well, I let's Can we do it? Let's 917 00:33:13,950 --> 00:33:16,269 assume that's what I just fell asleep in 918 00:33:16,269 --> 00:33:17,295 the middle of that 919 00:33:17,775 --> 00:33:18,515 right there. 920 00:33:18,975 --> 00:33:21,315 You just lost lots of points there. Okay. 921 00:33:21,455 --> 00:33:23,154 Rule number one. Uh-huh. 922 00:33:23,695 --> 00:33:25,875 Learn how authority is determined. 923 00:33:28,255 --> 00:33:29,234 In that culture. 924 00:33:29,934 --> 00:33:32,595 It's all says, learn how authority is determined. 925 00:33:34,390 --> 00:33:34,789 Okay. 926 00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:38,170 I will go with the idea that 927 00:33:38,869 --> 00:33:40,950 it I'm gonna say it's it goes to 928 00:33:40,950 --> 00:33:42,330 the person who is speaking 929 00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:43,930 in the sense of, 930 00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:46,570 like, do you have the authority 931 00:33:47,284 --> 00:33:50,884 to be speaking about what you are talking 932 00:33:50,884 --> 00:33:51,384 about 933 00:33:51,765 --> 00:33:54,404 and what the subject is and if or 934 00:33:54,404 --> 00:33:57,284 areas in your talk that you may be 935 00:33:57,284 --> 00:33:59,845 drifting from the thing that you are the 936 00:33:59,845 --> 00:34:00,825 authority of 937 00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:04,659 and that could be difficult, perhaps dangerous. 938 00:34:05,119 --> 00:34:06,960 I don't mean physically dangerous. I just mean 939 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,000 dangerous for being, 940 00:34:08,559 --> 00:34:09,059 appreciated 941 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,239 by that particular cultural audience. Okay. Not bad. 942 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,864 I'm gonna for extra credit here, how might 943 00:34:15,105 --> 00:34:16,324 authority be determined 944 00:34:16,625 --> 00:34:17,844 in a particular culture? 945 00:34:19,105 --> 00:34:20,164 I made it up. 946 00:34:21,184 --> 00:34:21,684 What? 947 00:34:23,585 --> 00:34:25,505 But didn't I I or you know, it's 948 00:34:25,505 --> 00:34:26,804 about showing credentials. 949 00:34:27,344 --> 00:34:30,610 Right? Could be credentials. Sure. Right. Or 950 00:34:31,070 --> 00:34:33,576 achievements. It could also be those- Past. Past. 951 00:34:33,576 --> 00:34:36,849 Because there's money. I'm just thinking the credential 952 00:34:36,910 --> 00:34:37,969 I have, does 953 00:34:38,750 --> 00:34:42,130 that hold muster in that particular culture? 954 00:34:42,815 --> 00:34:43,714 Because if 955 00:34:44,094 --> 00:34:45,454 you if you don't know that Now I'm 956 00:34:45,454 --> 00:34:47,214 gonna guess that it probably does if you're 957 00:34:47,214 --> 00:34:48,514 being asked to speak 958 00:34:48,894 --> 00:34:49,795 to that culture, 959 00:34:50,654 --> 00:34:52,574 but if you're coming in and saying you're 960 00:34:52,574 --> 00:34:54,255 going to speak to that culture like maybe 961 00:34:54,255 --> 00:34:56,494 in a business scenario where you're coming in 962 00:34:56,494 --> 00:34:59,170 to sell something there And you're saying you're 963 00:34:59,170 --> 00:35:01,809 the you're an authority on it, but they 964 00:35:01,809 --> 00:35:05,090 may not consider your your background, your credentials 965 00:35:05,250 --> 00:35:07,650 Right. What are they looking as authority? Yeah. 966 00:35:07,650 --> 00:35:10,369 That's that's all. Okay. I'm just thinking Sometimes 967 00:35:10,369 --> 00:35:10,869 authority 968 00:35:11,250 --> 00:35:13,590 is is established by mere celebrity, 969 00:35:14,304 --> 00:35:17,105 it's the social media phenomenon. Could be celebrity. 970 00:35:17,105 --> 00:35:17,605 Sure. 971 00:35:17,985 --> 00:35:20,164 It could also be but you can establish 972 00:35:20,224 --> 00:35:20,885 it too 973 00:35:21,344 --> 00:35:23,125 in in what else you're doing. 974 00:35:23,425 --> 00:35:25,505 In other words, if you're bringing to whatever 975 00:35:25,505 --> 00:35:27,505 you're you're supposed to be an authority and 976 00:35:27,505 --> 00:35:29,609 and you are speaking of that and that 977 00:35:29,609 --> 00:35:31,309 seems very feasible and 978 00:35:31,609 --> 00:35:33,949 and and intelligent and and thought, 979 00:35:34,650 --> 00:35:35,150 provoking, 980 00:35:35,609 --> 00:35:38,429 then I think that you are given more 981 00:35:38,489 --> 00:35:41,529 credit in many cultures. I don't know. In 982 00:35:41,529 --> 00:35:42,269 in maybe, 983 00:35:42,775 --> 00:35:44,454 but I think overall, that's kind of a 984 00:35:44,454 --> 00:35:46,295 human reaction, isn't it? In some more than 985 00:35:46,295 --> 00:35:48,074 others. Sure. Right? Okay. 986 00:35:48,454 --> 00:35:49,914 Okay. So I win. 987 00:35:52,695 --> 00:35:54,934 Yeah. Some examples here, it says in, Dean 988 00:35:54,934 --> 00:35:56,775 wrote, in some cultures like Scandinavia and The 989 00:35:56,775 --> 00:35:59,389 US, authorities determine based on someone's experience. In 990 00:35:59,389 --> 00:36:01,710 other cultures like Korea and Egypt, authorities based 991 00:36:01,710 --> 00:36:04,449 on age, gender, ethnicity, tribe, or relationship. 992 00:36:05,469 --> 00:36:07,949 Right. And I would and I would add 993 00:36:07,949 --> 00:36:09,170 regardless of 994 00:36:09,714 --> 00:36:13,255 experience and regardless of knowledge and and expertise 995 00:36:14,675 --> 00:36:16,994 in in those cases. Right. Right. Not always, 996 00:36:16,994 --> 00:36:18,835 but sometimes. I can see that. I can 997 00:36:18,835 --> 00:36:21,175 see that I mean, in The United States, 998 00:36:21,890 --> 00:36:23,809 I think maybe a little bit more in 999 00:36:23,809 --> 00:36:26,610 recent times because people are living longer. But 1000 00:36:26,610 --> 00:36:28,230 as people get older, oftentimes 1001 00:36:28,530 --> 00:36:30,130 it is thought that we don't have to 1002 00:36:30,130 --> 00:36:32,210 pay as much attention to them. And I 1003 00:36:32,210 --> 00:36:34,289 think it goes the other direction too. A 1004 00:36:34,289 --> 00:36:36,130 younger person doesn't have to be paid as 1005 00:36:36,130 --> 00:36:37,184 much attention to. 1006 00:36:37,585 --> 00:36:39,585 So we just pay attention to middle aged 1007 00:36:39,585 --> 00:36:41,285 people, I guess. But, 1008 00:36:41,905 --> 00:36:44,065 but authority can be then has to be 1009 00:36:44,065 --> 00:36:46,785 built from more because the culture is looking 1010 00:36:46,785 --> 00:36:47,925 at it in those terms. 1011 00:36:48,224 --> 00:36:49,664 You have to show you do know what 1012 00:36:49,664 --> 00:36:50,704 you're doing well. And then there are those 1013 00:36:50,704 --> 00:36:53,699 cultures where age does give you authority. Maybe 1014 00:36:53,699 --> 00:36:55,219 when you don't deserve it. Even when you 1015 00:36:55,219 --> 00:36:56,739 don't have that experience. That's exactly what I 1016 00:36:56,739 --> 00:36:58,739 was gonna say. Right. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. 1017 00:36:58,739 --> 00:37:01,860 Very interesting. Yeah. Well Which is why, you 1018 00:37:01,860 --> 00:37:02,840 you know, oftentimes, 1019 00:37:03,380 --> 00:37:04,119 the Japanese 1020 00:37:04,885 --> 00:37:05,385 businessperson 1021 00:37:05,765 --> 00:37:08,244 who is the leader of the team is 1022 00:37:08,244 --> 00:37:09,465 the older gray haired 1023 00:37:09,845 --> 00:37:10,345 fellow, 1024 00:37:10,965 --> 00:37:13,224 but he's depending on his younger 1025 00:37:13,605 --> 00:37:14,105 associates 1026 00:37:14,724 --> 00:37:16,985 in order to help him make the decision. 1027 00:37:17,525 --> 00:37:18,345 And so 1028 00:37:18,659 --> 00:37:21,079 as somebody from the outside who's negotiating, 1029 00:37:22,019 --> 00:37:24,819 the older fellow is gonna make the decision, 1030 00:37:24,819 --> 00:37:26,819 but it's gonna be based on the feedback 1031 00:37:26,819 --> 00:37:28,659 that he gets from the younger folks. Yeah. 1032 00:37:28,659 --> 00:37:30,434 Right. Interesting. Right. Okay. Yeah. 1033 00:37:30,914 --> 00:37:33,235 Right. Well, I gotta say your scores well, 1034 00:37:33,235 --> 00:37:35,555 I I I decided you got a 20 1035 00:37:35,555 --> 00:37:37,015 out of 25 on that one. 1036 00:37:37,795 --> 00:37:40,275 Really? That's it? Well, your overall score is 1037 00:37:40,275 --> 00:37:42,195 90 out of a hundred. But that but 1038 00:37:42,195 --> 00:37:43,635 that's 90,000 1039 00:37:43,635 --> 00:37:45,255 points out of a hundred thousand 1040 00:37:46,099 --> 00:37:47,940 hundred thousand points. In that case, in that 1041 00:37:47,940 --> 00:37:49,719 case, that's pretty good. Yeah. Otherwise 1042 00:37:50,019 --> 00:37:51,320 yeah. Yeah. Which officially 1043 00:37:51,619 --> 00:37:52,679 in in Georgia 1044 00:37:53,380 --> 00:37:56,260 makes you an honored tomato. Yes. Does it? 1045 00:37:56,260 --> 00:37:57,619 Yes. It does. Alright. And you have a 1046 00:37:57,619 --> 00:37:59,945 big a minus on your shirt. Okay. About 1047 00:37:59,945 --> 00:38:01,644 a star letter or something. Totally 1048 00:38:02,264 --> 00:38:04,744 different culture, but Okay. Just go with it. 1049 00:38:04,744 --> 00:38:05,885 Well, I'll tell you. 1050 00:38:07,545 --> 00:38:08,505 So well done. 1051 00:38:09,144 --> 00:38:11,565 You say Tamara, I say Tamara. 1052 00:38:11,945 --> 00:38:12,105 So 1053 00:38:14,030 --> 00:38:15,949 I say time to end this podcast. Yes. 1054 00:38:15,949 --> 00:38:18,109 I say we've gone way beyond our time. 1055 00:38:18,109 --> 00:38:19,710 I'm done with my wine. And then oh, 1056 00:38:19,710 --> 00:38:22,269 good. So cheers. Let's go get the robot. 1057 00:38:22,269 --> 00:38:24,590 Cheers. Well, turn over your amphora and pour 1058 00:38:24,590 --> 00:38:26,289 yourself some more wine. I shall. 1059 00:38:27,309 --> 00:38:29,924 To a great podcast. Yes. Cheers. Cheers. 1060 00:38:32,545 --> 00:38:34,324 Oops. 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