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We're talking about magic.

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Magic in the world and what that means.

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I mean, we we can define

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magic in a lot of ways.

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And and Dean Foster,

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you're you're just staring ahead straight into space.

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Do you believe

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in magic?

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Oh, no. We're in the market. Yes. What?

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Yeah. If we say another bar of that,

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we're gonna have to pay. Okay. Licensing. Yeah.

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There's licensing is really upset about this. Ding.

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You even had the lyrics that time. And

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they may have been right, which is scary.

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So,

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It's magic, man. Yeah. It's magic. It's the

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magic man. It's magic. So is this is

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this a cultural issue? Is there a cultural

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piece to it? I don't know. Is there

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a cultural piece to it? And why should

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we be thinking about it? Because we are

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loops,

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your culture's showing.

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And I'm Dean Foster, and you're Tom Peterson.

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And this Did you forget my name? Thank

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you. That's why I asked. This is

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this is always a magical moment, you know,

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when we get together to do these podcasts

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also. They're magical in what way?

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I I don't know.

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Wow.

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No. I mean, like, why do you say

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it's magical? Because it's Well, because I I'm

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doing something but this takes us to the

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definition of magic and magical. It does. Are

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we doing something that is, what, irrational?

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Unproductive?

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Already. I can't believe it. That's, like, maybe

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a record. It's maybe the fastest that you've

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killed the fun in in the discussion and

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Just suck the fun right out of it.

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Just take it right out of it. There

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is god. It's god. Anybody tuning in for,

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for fun? Forget it. We're we're done.

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Fun?

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No. No fun.

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Enter the Take your fun and leave. But

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different cultures have different views on magic. Do

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they. And what one culture might seem say

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is magical, another culture might have a very

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rational scientific explanation for it. Yeah. Name 1.

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Well, western cultures often That's my job. That's

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what I do here. Often default to a

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scientific

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explanation.

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If you can't define it or explain it

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scientifically

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Mhmm. Then therefore,

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sometimes

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some other people would say it is magical

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or superstitious or spiritual or whatever, but there's

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no rational reason for it.

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Magic is one of those

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one of those pieces to to that non

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scientific side of understanding things. Okay.

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Is it all is it purely entertainment? I

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mean, I think magic, you know, magic shows,

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magicians,

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card tricks, charlatans,

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all of that Right. As a certain tradition.

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But magic is also very serious business and

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a very serious part of a lot of

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cultures. Now in this case, right now, we're

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not talking Harry Potter magic.

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We're talking, at least I don't think we

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are. Maybe we are. But but we're talking

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a,

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the actual belief of things

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being done and and being created or

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or fixed or adjusted

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or anything along those lines that are done

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through a way that isn't isn't understandable

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to the average person. Understandable,

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rationally.

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Yeah. Right. Scientifically

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or with a scientific basis. Well, they may

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be scientifically, and they may be a rational

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explanation to it. But it certainly can't be

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part of the scenario. You know, from an

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anthropological

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perspective, to just share this, magical thinking is

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all about

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thinking in a way

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where you're putting

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cause and effect together

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unscientifically.

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Mhmm. So, you know,

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you see the combination of certain ingredients in

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a cauldron. Mhmm. And if you believe that

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this is going to turn

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average metal into gold,

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you throw the metal in there with all

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these ingredients and you say some magic spells

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if you believe hard enough, I guess it

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does turn to gold, right, if you take

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out whatever the result is and call it

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gold. If we call it gold and label

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it gold and treat it as gold, it's

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gold. Right? And this kind of magical thinking

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is a way that a lot of people

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get through the day. Okay. And at the

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end of the day, they believe whatever it

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is they wanna believe even though it's provably

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false.

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That's magic. Mhmm.

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And evidence

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is not required.

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I think a lot of cultures

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selectively

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choose to

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interpret

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their their their experience of reality that way.

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We all do to some degree, more or

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less. Right. Okay.

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in the in the cultural,

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world,

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the world of cultures,

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do what roles might this play as we

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go along? I mean, historically,

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we know that magic has been looked at

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as being,

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as being potentially

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the the religion of the time. I remember

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my grandmother used to believe in the Kadahara,

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which was this this Eastern European Jewish thing,

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which was like the the evil eye. Mhmm.

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And that somebody

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cast The baby got sick because somebody cast

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an evil eye on that baby because they

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had some reason to do so. Right? So

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a curse of some kind. Right. Right. And

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so you had to do something to counteract

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the Kanahara.

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Right. Okay. You spit 3 times on the

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ground

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and the evil eye will be protected. Now

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did you have to spit through your fingers

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or anything like that? I know that's one

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thing that's done

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in some areas. No. I don't know if

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she ever did that. Okay. Yeah. I don't

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remember.

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Did you ever see her spit Oh, yeah.

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For this? Oh, yeah. She would do that.

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And she would speak very seriously about this.

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Okay. Yeah. And I know and and there

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are versions of this, you know, in so

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many cultures. In Latin culture Mhmm. There is

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a form of a casting of an evil

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eye. Okay. In many Mediterranean

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cultures, there are. Certainly, in the Levantine cultures

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and in the Arab world, not so much

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in the in in in modern Arab because

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because that's been dominated by Islam. But but

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to be even even pre Islamic traditions

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and include this idea of the of of

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an evil eye that needs to be cast

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out.

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Mhmm. Okay.

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Well, it then then this whole concept of

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magic then

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permeates these

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beliefs, the belief system. Right? If especially if

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the culture is an old one. I mean,

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the older a culture, the more prescientific

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the base of a culture, the more these

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kinds of issues will

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definitely be part of daily tradition.

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Whether people even believe it in or not,

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it's the tradition. You know, people walk around

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with,

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with amulets.

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they're amulets. They may not even know that

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they come out of these pre scientific traditions

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of magical thinking.

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the northern North African,

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hand,

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it's a 5 fingered hand. Mhmm. And you've

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seen people wearing that around their necks. Mhmm.

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become part of the Jewish tradition

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of North Africans, North African Jews.

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ancient magical way of thinking and a magical

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way of protecting oneself from evil curses. And

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a lot of, like, good luck charms

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And what is a good luck charm? But

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a magical way of thinking.

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Yeah. Exactly. Might carry those for a variety

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of reasons. I mean and they can do

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it they they might have a good luck

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penny or or or some other coin. And

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what was a poor unfortunate rabbit? Where did

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that come from? A rabbit's foot.

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Yeah. Yeah. Oh, hey, Torren. How are you?

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Oh, hello.

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We're meant to here's Dean. Here's Tom. And

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we didn't oh. No. Torren's with us. Yes.

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Are you gonna forgive us? Are you gonna

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forgive us? You're over there in the corner.

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We didn't even see you. We're just ignoring

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you. Oh. I don't have a blanket on

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me today, thankfully. That's good. No. You we

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could you were healthy the last episode. So,

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we expected you to be healthy again. And

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in fact, I'm I'm hoping you do have

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a good luck charm on you so that

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you can, now stay perfectly healthy. And is

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there is there some performance

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we can do?

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What kind of magical penance

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can we do

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to redeem ourselves from the

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almost irredeemable oversight of not having

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introduced you when we so selfishly introduced ourselves?

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most of the time. I I felt like

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I I felt like that was penance enough.

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Right? I think it was. Moving on. Just

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getting through that.

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How about a Quidditch match? I would I

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would enjoy that if that was Fantastic. Now

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isn't the idea of penance

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a form of magic? Well, it could be.

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You know, the the whole concept. But there

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is this fine line and between

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religious belief

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and

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superstitious belief

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and belief in these things that cannot be

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scientifically or evidentially

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proven. Yes. Right? Yes.

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say that if you go through this kind

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of ceremony,

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then this will be the result. Yes. And

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it will prove to be the beneficial or

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not. Right. Right?

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However, we we look back at that magic?

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Well, it's it there's a magical element to

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it, I think, because if we look back

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at cultures element of magical thinking. Right. Right.

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If if we look back to cultures

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historically,

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and especially ones going back, let's say, ancient

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Rome or, ancient Egypt,

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any anything in those the Mayan civilizations

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and so forth. And we look at things

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that they did. We look at them,

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worshiping multiple gods, gods that took part in

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trees and rocks or

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whatever it happened to be, and in ceremonies

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that were and sometimes, you know, bloody ceremonies

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that some did. And we look at those,

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and we say, well, this was Sacrifices is

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a is a great is a form of

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penance. Right. So there's often blood associated with

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sacrifice. And we can look at it from

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a distance, from a time distance, and say,

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well,

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yeah. It was sort of magic at that

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time. They were just you know, it was

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but in the time period Well, it's easier

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for us to say that if we don't

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have this if we don't We don't have

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that belief.

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Yeah. What I'm saying is in the time

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period, they're not looking at it like that.

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I mean, maybe someone is, but most of

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them aren't.

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Right? Am I wrong? That's right. And if

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it's validated by authority

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Yeah. Which is what authority does because authority

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needs religion to to get on with its

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agenda. Mhmm. So if it's validated by authority,

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it's really hard for an individual to step

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back and say,

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this is not so. Right.

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What you're saying is nonsense. There's no proof

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for this is a way to end up

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being the human sacrifice.

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That's right. That's if you start to call

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it out as fiction

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Yeah. You're in big trouble. Right. Right.

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And and so in many ways that we

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might look at as being magical. I mean,

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in the medical world,

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when we when we look at medicine,

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I mean, certainly we can use the term,

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what doctors sometimes do is is pure magic.

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And but in reality, it's not. It is

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If we use the term

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sorry. I'm sorry to interrupt, but You did

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did you mean to interrupt right then? Of

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course I meant to. Of course you did.

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But I'm still sorry about it. Oh, in

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making it.

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In one of the ways that we talked

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about right there. Yes. Sorry.

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So so I meant to interrupt even though

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I said I didn't. Right. And I'm sorry

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about it even though I'm not. No. You're

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not. But moving on from that. Piss, moving

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on. What was I gonna say? I have

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no clue what you were gonna say. It's

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we're talking

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medical magic.

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Oh, well, yeah. When somebody does something that's

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amazing,

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we often use the word

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magical. We do. You know,

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because it's so

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unpredictable

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and we can't fathom it because we're not

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the scientist or the priest who did it.

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Absolutely. Okay. So that's the province of these

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people with special skills and talents. Mhmm. So

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we we call it magical skills.

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With them. It's a problem of us the

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way we're treating them. We should not treat

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any of them as being magical. They're skilled.

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They're skilled at what they do. Well, then

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the pickpocket

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who magically distracts you well, the magician who

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distracts you from

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the fact that he's picking your pocket Mhmm.

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Is kind of a skilled

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magician. Absolutely. He is. And it's the that

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is more and there are magicians out there

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who get very upset

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when you,

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when you when other magicians try to pass

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it off as being

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complete magic.

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Not not,

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not the idea of distraction and things along

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those lines. Trickery.

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Yeah. Trickery. Which is what it is. Isn't

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there a law

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that says that

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if you learn

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if a magician tells you

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the magic,

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the trick,

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that you could be arrested for that,

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It's in the constitution. Is it? It's in

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the bill of rights. I'm sure it is.

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That if you are told something by a

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magician Well

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if you're told the secret

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and you tell the secret Yeah. Done. Yeah.

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That's it. Done. Wow.

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That's harsh. Finished. Yeah. Yeah. Well, stay away

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from Las Vegas. I think, like, every third

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person's a magician in Las Vegas. I'm pretty

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sure. It's the 28th. Is it the 20

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can you look that up, Tory? The 28th

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of the I just did. It's 20 Oh,

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okay. Thank you for that. And and circling

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back to the I also wanted to know

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about the the source of the rabbit's foot.

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Is there a way we can find that

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out?

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Yeah. I can I'm curious about that too.

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I will Is there a magical machine that

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might help you learn? Is there a magical

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machine? See? Now there's there we go. Let's

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think about it. The Internet, if you were

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born in

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in 1919

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okay. Today is it's 2019. Right? It's just

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2 years before me. So if you were

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born

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you have no idea how accurate that is.

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If you were born in 1919,

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and and you

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somehow were in a coma or something, and

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then we woke you up,

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and you were then told you're a 100

396
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years old, which should be very depressing at

397
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that point. But and and then you woke

398
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up, and suddenly, here's the Internet.

399
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Here's wireless.

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Isn't that going to come off to you

401
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as magic? I mean Yes. Of course. Until

402
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you learn why it isn't. It it it's

403
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the old trope parlor game where

404
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if you could take one thing with you

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and go back 200 years to your predecessors,

406
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what would that one thing from today be?

407
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Mhmm. And wouldn't that look magical?

408
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Absolutely. If if whatever it was. Right? What

409
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Yes. Would you what would you do? What

410
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would you bring back with you if you

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could That's a really good question. She's gonna

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sign the sheet. In order to Get into

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a time machine and go back 200 years.

414
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I would bring a computer back with me.

415
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Your laptop? Yes.

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Because it doesn't need to be connected to

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the Internet. That would be something I couldn't

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bring with me, but I can bring the

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computer

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and and hope that I could figure out

421
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a way to charge it occasionally. Yeah. I

422
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was I wouldn't bring the computer because there's

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no Internet and there's no electricity. Yeah. But

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the Internet doesn't make the computer. The computer

425
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can do amazing things without the Internet.

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And to someone 200 years ago, they would

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be blown away by the electricity. But there's

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no electricity.

429
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Well, you got to sparingly use your battery.

430
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Maybe a solar charger. I bring that with

431
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me so I could could because whatever you

432
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bring that's electronic, you're gonna run out of

433
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electricity.

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That's

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200 years ago, you're saying? So we're back

436
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in the 1800s, the early 1800s.

437
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Yeah. There's other than Ben Franklin running around

438
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with a key and a and a and

439
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a, kite, we've got no electricity at that

440
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point. I I I would I think I

441
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would bring a Band Aid.

442
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Okay. Or In case you cut yourself along

443
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the way, which is smart, but

444
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I'm not so sure I'm a mess. It's

445
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the early 1800. They they bandaged people. Oh,

446
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that's true. That's true. You know, the edges

447
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of this time machine Velcro would be interesting.

448
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Velcro would be interesting. Right? Yeah. Or a

449
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little

450
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antibiotic

451
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cream. Yeah. But would they understand the antibiotic

452
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cream? Sure. Because that back then, everybody was

453
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was dying from

454
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little

455
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thorn cuts in the face. That's a just

456
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a long term magic trick. But, yeah, you're

457
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right. You you put it on someone and

458
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then they heal up. They'd think, oh, this

459
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is a magic potion. Right? The term magic

460
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potion. Right. Magic potion. Someone comes up with

461
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something whether it was from leaves or whatever.

462
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Torin, what would what would you take back

463
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with you?

464
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I'm sorry. I'm I'm just looking up rabbit

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holes. He's he's he's over there in his

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own world. He doesn't have it? He doesn't

467
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come with it. Magic machine. No. No. Yeah.

468
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He's really looking up The magic machine is

469
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not working right now because it's something it

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up. Not so magical.

471
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I'm immersed in this because it's yeah. It's,

472
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it's interesting. They

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from what I'm seeing, and this is, you

474
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know, it's Wikipedia. So We're on the we're

475
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on the rabbit's foot now? Yeah. Go ahead

476
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with a grain of salt here. But,

477
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appears to have, it says may have originated

478
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from a system of folk magic known as

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hoodoo,

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which came out of West Africa. Yeah. Right.

481
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And the belief was that the rabbit's foot,

482
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so rabbit is an animal into which shape

483
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shifting witches could transform themselves. Oh, okay. So,

484
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shifting

485
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witches could transform themselves. Oh, okay. So hence,

486
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from that, it was believed if you took

487
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off a piece, that it could be good

488
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luck and you would wear it around your

489
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neck. Well, and and the

490
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the basis of cannibalism in many cannibalistic tribes

491
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around the world

492
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is to eat something of the body of

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the person that you capture.

494
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Right. And then you're

495
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you're you're bringing that quality or that aspect

496
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of that person Strength.

497
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Strength into you. Mhmm. Right? So,

498
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oftentimes,

499
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if you were served up as dinner

500
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in these cultures,

501
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it was an honor. Sure.

502
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I'm not sure where I could go with

503
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all of that. I'm I'm going to get

504
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in trouble. I'm pretty sure.

505
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I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Dean. What was your

506
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question before now that I put that up?

507
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That's fine. My my question was if you

508
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to a world of media. What what

509
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what would you take from today if you

510
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were magically transported back in the time machine,

511
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which is also magical. Right? Yes.

512
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To your predecessors

513
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and you could bring something from today

514
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to show them?

515
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Oh, that's a good question.

516
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I mean, the smartphone jumps to mind. I

517
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don't know if you've already mentioned that.

518
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But that I mean, that's just would be

519
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you don't have you don't have the the

520
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Internet.

521
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And you don't have electricity.

522
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And you don't and, again, I I mentioned

523
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That's true. A laptop computer because it it's

524
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got its own memory, so it has stuff

525
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you can work with.

526
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But you also have to have a way

527
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to recharge it, or you can only do

528
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that for a short period of time.

529
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Right.

530
00:18:51,025 --> 00:18:53,365
Yeah. That's true. Dean mentioned an antibiotic

531
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cream so that you would have, like, a

532
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magic potion.

533
00:18:57,265 --> 00:18:59,640
Oh, that's pretty good. Yeah. And tacos.

534
00:19:00,339 --> 00:19:02,420
Tacos is good. Yes. I'm sure they didn't

535
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have tacos 200 years ago.

536
00:19:04,819 --> 00:19:06,980
No. No. They didn't have Taco Bell, so

537
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there you go. I'm taking it

538
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back to my predecessors.

539
00:19:11,384 --> 00:19:13,384
Okay. Of course, if I were Latino and

540
00:19:13,384 --> 00:19:15,065
I were going back 200 years, you know,

541
00:19:15,065 --> 00:19:17,144
in in Mexico, yeah, they had tacos. They

542
00:19:17,144 --> 00:19:19,644
had They bring a bagel back. Better tacos.

543
00:19:20,105 --> 00:19:22,184
But all my predecessors had were pierogies and

544
00:19:22,184 --> 00:19:23,484
bagels. Taco.

545
00:19:23,865 --> 00:19:25,244
They didn't know about tacos.

546
00:19:26,950 --> 00:19:28,630
If they knew about tacos, they never would

547
00:19:28,630 --> 00:19:30,809
have invented gefilte fish. There you go.

548
00:19:31,669 --> 00:19:32,730
We don't need this.

549
00:19:33,669 --> 00:19:35,509
Which is a whole podcast in its in

550
00:19:35,509 --> 00:19:36,009
itself,

551
00:19:36,309 --> 00:19:37,529
gefilte fish. But

552
00:19:37,829 --> 00:19:37,990
we

553
00:19:38,789 --> 00:19:40,009
I also wanna know,

554
00:19:40,345 --> 00:19:43,465
Tore, real just Yes. Real quick. If you're

555
00:19:43,465 --> 00:19:46,025
looking things up in the magical machine that

556
00:19:46,025 --> 00:19:46,845
you have there,

557
00:19:48,664 --> 00:19:50,505
where does the source of the Shamrock come

558
00:19:50,505 --> 00:19:51,384
from? The lucky

559
00:19:52,399 --> 00:19:54,799
you know, the The lucky charms. The luck

560
00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,200
well, lucky charms. Lucky charms. And it's book

561
00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,440
because it's been transmuted in America into all

562
00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,720
these from these Serial now. Irish symbols. But

563
00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:04,659
Yes. Mainly Irish and Celtic

564
00:20:05,039 --> 00:20:06,579
is where they're they're they're source.

565
00:20:11,044 --> 00:20:12,984
While listening to this, you may think,

566
00:20:13,365 --> 00:20:15,605
hey. You know, I wonder well, if you

567
00:20:15,605 --> 00:20:17,525
have a question like that and wanna ask

568
00:20:17,525 --> 00:20:19,285
us, there's a couple ways you can do

569
00:20:19,285 --> 00:20:22,164
it. One would be through email, which is

570
00:20:22,164 --> 00:20:23,919
oops culture show atgmail.com.

571
00:20:24,539 --> 00:20:25,679
That's o0pscultureshow@gmail.com.

572
00:20:28,859 --> 00:20:31,200
And then there's also our handle on Twitter,

573
00:20:31,259 --> 00:20:33,519
which is oops culture show.

574
00:20:33,900 --> 00:20:34,400
That's

575
00:20:35,339 --> 00:20:37,679
o o p s culture show.

576
00:20:38,220 --> 00:20:40,774
I know. I know. It's not original, but

577
00:20:40,914 --> 00:20:42,375
but it works. Okay?

578
00:20:44,754 --> 00:20:46,994
Torren, have you have you come up with

579
00:20:46,994 --> 00:20:50,514
anything on, Shamrock's force? The the Celtic symbols.

580
00:20:50,514 --> 00:20:52,434
I have. Okay. What do you got? From

581
00:20:52,434 --> 00:20:54,294
the from the authority of finegardening.com.

582
00:20:55,369 --> 00:20:57,529
Ah. So I I always go by them.

583
00:20:57,529 --> 00:20:58,890
I never want to start the day without

584
00:20:58,890 --> 00:21:01,450
looking at them. A true magician. Yes. Oh.

585
00:21:01,450 --> 00:21:02,029
This is

586
00:21:02,650 --> 00:21:04,670
this is not an advertisement for finegardening.com.

587
00:21:05,529 --> 00:21:07,210
Okay. They're not being paid by them. Unless

588
00:21:07,210 --> 00:21:09,850
they're gonna pay us. But okay. So yeah.

589
00:21:09,850 --> 00:21:11,995
Exactly. Then it'll happily be an ad for

590
00:21:11,995 --> 00:21:14,022
them. I actually looked up knock on wood

591
00:21:14,022 --> 00:21:16,050
too, and so I'll get to the both

592
00:21:16,050 --> 00:21:18,331
of those. So what they say is according

593
00:21:18,331 --> 00:21:20,358
to legend, the shamrock was a sacred plant

594
00:21:20,358 --> 00:21:22,386
to the Druids of Ireland because its leaves

595
00:21:22,386 --> 00:21:24,039
formed a a triad. And 3 was a

596
00:21:24,039 --> 00:21:26,039
mystical number in the Celtic region. Of course.

597
00:21:26,039 --> 00:21:27,660
3 is 3 is mystical

598
00:21:28,039 --> 00:21:30,839
Right. Everywhere. Yeah. 3 the 3 is whenever

599
00:21:30,839 --> 00:21:32,599
you tell a joke, you always tell one

600
00:21:32,599 --> 00:21:34,119
thing, the second thing, and the third thing

601
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:35,904
is your bang. Yeah. It's your punchline. And

602
00:21:35,904 --> 00:21:37,585
you know where the the the source of

603
00:21:37,585 --> 00:21:39,825
the magic of 3 comes from? No. I

604
00:21:39,825 --> 00:21:40,325
don't.

605
00:21:41,265 --> 00:21:42,724
It's the source of patriarchy.

606
00:21:43,904 --> 00:21:44,404
Okay.

607
00:21:46,944 --> 00:21:48,305
You're not gonna give me any more than

608
00:21:48,305 --> 00:21:50,464
that. That's it. We're done. It's it's the

609
00:21:50,464 --> 00:21:50,964
physical

610
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,359
aspect of a male that distinguishes them from

611
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:55,019
a female.

612
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,440
Ah, you're talking about the, the boys. The

613
00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,380
fleur de lis. Yeah. Okay.

614
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:02,859
Okay. Well, I suppose

615
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,065
there there's a whole lot of themes in

616
00:22:05,065 --> 00:22:06,505
in our own way. The son and the

617
00:22:06,505 --> 00:22:08,424
holy ghost. Well, I know, but that's that's

618
00:22:08,424 --> 00:22:10,825
down the road aways. The the the the

619
00:22:10,825 --> 00:22:13,144
the the trilogy Or the thigh away. Triad

620
00:22:13,144 --> 00:22:14,044
goes back.

621
00:22:14,424 --> 00:22:14,924
Neptune

622
00:22:15,224 --> 00:22:17,544
carried a triad. It just gets repeated called

623
00:22:17,544 --> 00:22:19,920
every every Absolutely. Oh, there's nothing new.

624
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,119
It's every all of this stuff gets stolen

625
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,039
from other stories that were told in the

626
00:22:25,039 --> 00:22:26,640
past as we don't remember them or we

627
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:27,920
didn't never heard them in the first place.

628
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:29,920
So the so the druids had the had

629
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:30,580
the same

630
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,580
worship of the of 3.

631
00:22:33,365 --> 00:22:35,684
And therefore, if you had a 3 leaf

632
00:22:35,684 --> 00:22:38,325
clover, it was common, but a 4 leaf

633
00:22:38,325 --> 00:22:40,244
was uncommon? How did that The 3 so

634
00:22:40,244 --> 00:22:40,924
is the

635
00:22:41,365 --> 00:22:43,445
excuse my ignorance on all of this, but

636
00:22:43,445 --> 00:22:44,965
is the shamrock and I'm I have an

637
00:22:44,965 --> 00:22:47,384
Irish background, but but it means nothing.

638
00:22:48,559 --> 00:22:50,320
The 3 of the shamrock and the 4

639
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:51,460
of the 4 leaf clover.

640
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,640
Is that correct? I I I believe so.

641
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,559
Okay. Well, we'll go with that for now

642
00:22:56,559 --> 00:22:57,859
until you tell us differently.

643
00:22:58,160 --> 00:22:59,759
So the the 4 leaf clover then is

644
00:22:59,759 --> 00:23:01,599
just 4 leaf clover, and it's so it's

645
00:23:01,599 --> 00:23:01,994
considered

646
00:23:04,795 --> 00:23:05,253
good luck. Did you know did you find

647
00:23:05,253 --> 00:23:06,875
out why? No. I don't know. Okay. Great.

648
00:23:06,875 --> 00:23:07,855
Thanks for your help.

649
00:23:08,394 --> 00:23:10,154
We didn't ask him that. Why the hell

650
00:23:10,154 --> 00:23:11,355
is he here? No. Do we have any

651
00:23:11,355 --> 00:23:13,914
ideas? Why is the same that he would

652
00:23:13,914 --> 00:23:14,894
wanna go there?

653
00:23:15,515 --> 00:23:16,890
Did not provide that.

654
00:23:19,529 --> 00:23:21,369
How about knocking on how about knocking on

655
00:23:21,369 --> 00:23:22,890
wood, which I'm about to do here in

656
00:23:22,890 --> 00:23:24,410
a minute with my head. Yeah. I did

657
00:23:24,410 --> 00:23:26,170
look that up. You know, this is what

658
00:23:26,170 --> 00:23:27,609
I think about a lot because it comes

659
00:23:27,609 --> 00:23:29,210
out of my mouth quite a bit Yeah.

660
00:23:29,289 --> 00:23:30,514
And the mouths of those around me quite

661
00:23:30,514 --> 00:23:31,835
a bit. I don't know if we wanna

662
00:23:31,835 --> 00:23:33,115
talk about what comes out of your mouth

663
00:23:33,115 --> 00:23:34,714
quite a bit. That's Well, we'll we'll leave

664
00:23:34,714 --> 00:23:36,174
we'll leave it at that. And

665
00:23:37,274 --> 00:23:39,115
yet, you know, why do we why do

666
00:23:39,115 --> 00:23:40,394
we say this? Right? Yeah.

667
00:23:41,194 --> 00:23:43,194
According again, this is according to Wikipedia, so,

668
00:23:43,194 --> 00:23:44,069
you know, grain salt. But,

669
00:23:45,109 --> 00:23:46,869
you know, what they say is, obviously, this

670
00:23:46,869 --> 00:23:47,929
is something we say

671
00:23:48,309 --> 00:23:50,470
in the US quite a bit. Mhmm. It

672
00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:52,789
also is said in Britain. It's said in

673
00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:54,630
Australia. It's said in New Zealand. Oh, so

674
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:57,704
there's an Anglo Saxon Africa. Anglo Saxon route.

675
00:23:57,704 --> 00:23:58,904
So we're gonna, yeah, we're gonna take it

676
00:23:58,904 --> 00:24:01,144
out of the UK area there. Anglo Saxon

677
00:24:01,144 --> 00:24:02,285
or Celtic, perhaps.

678
00:24:02,825 --> 00:24:05,545
Well, so according to this article, the origin

679
00:24:05,545 --> 00:24:07,964
of the custom maybe, they say maybe, so

680
00:24:08,025 --> 00:24:10,585
obviously, there's some uncertainty, but maybe in German

681
00:24:10,585 --> 00:24:11,220
folk folklore,

682
00:24:11,700 --> 00:24:13,859
lore where supernatural beings were thought to live

683
00:24:13,859 --> 00:24:16,200
in trees and can be invoked for protection.

684
00:24:16,259 --> 00:24:17,380
Mhmm. So you gotta knock on the wood,

685
00:24:17,380 --> 00:24:18,740
get them to come out and help you.

686
00:24:18,740 --> 00:24:20,019
Right up. It's sort of like it's sort

687
00:24:20,019 --> 00:24:21,779
of like warding off the evil eye. Sure.

688
00:24:21,779 --> 00:24:23,940
That makes perfect sense to me. For protection

689
00:24:23,940 --> 00:24:26,039
then. Yeah. Well, if you believe

690
00:24:26,644 --> 00:24:28,345
if you believe that there are,

691
00:24:28,804 --> 00:24:30,964
spirits in the in the wood, in the

692
00:24:30,964 --> 00:24:32,644
wood, in the wood, with a tree or

693
00:24:32,644 --> 00:24:34,964
whatever, then you say wake up, I need

694
00:24:34,964 --> 00:24:36,804
your help, I guess is what it is.

695
00:24:36,804 --> 00:24:37,304
Okay?

696
00:24:37,684 --> 00:24:40,164
And and that's going back aways into into

697
00:24:40,164 --> 00:24:42,950
German lore then for for those types of

698
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:45,349
things. There's something interesting. You know, I think

699
00:24:45,349 --> 00:24:47,289
we can connect to this really,

700
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:49,690
very profoundly.

701
00:24:50,150 --> 00:24:52,070
If you walk up to a tree Mhmm.

702
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:54,490
And knock on the tree Mhmm.

703
00:24:54,932 --> 00:24:55,154
It

704
00:24:56,355 --> 00:24:57,494
in that experience,

705
00:24:59,075 --> 00:25:01,634
you do there's something very human about calling

706
00:25:01,634 --> 00:25:03,095
out a spirit

707
00:25:03,875 --> 00:25:06,355
from inside the tree. Okay. Have you been

708
00:25:06,355 --> 00:25:08,115
doing this recently? I do this all the

709
00:25:08,115 --> 00:25:09,174
time. Do you?

710
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,980
I think it's time to call someone. Right?

711
00:25:13,039 --> 00:25:14,419
As soon as possible.

712
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,779
I'll get on this. Okay. Thank you. We

713
00:25:18,079 --> 00:25:20,000
I've got him trapped in here right now.

714
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:20,500
See,

715
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:21,460
that's

716
00:25:21,919 --> 00:25:24,644
the perfect response by people who don't believe.

717
00:25:24,785 --> 00:25:26,085
Absolutely. It is.

718
00:25:26,705 --> 00:25:29,025
The non believers. Then you're insane. Authority will

719
00:25:29,025 --> 00:25:30,945
try to lock the law. Witch, and we

720
00:25:30,945 --> 00:25:33,265
drown you. Oh, but it but if if

721
00:25:33,424 --> 00:25:35,525
as we keep talking about this, I'm realizing

722
00:25:35,585 --> 00:25:37,525
that the the idea of magic,

723
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,340
I mean, the appeal of it

724
00:25:40,799 --> 00:25:41,700
is huge.

725
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,400
Because for it's the it's the I believe

726
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,400
it's the foundation of all these religions that

727
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:47,299
we can look at

728
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,140
much less controversially,

729
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,115
the ones that have already kind of gone

730
00:25:51,115 --> 00:25:52,875
away. Like Yeah. You can't. Because you can't

731
00:25:52,875 --> 00:25:54,474
start to say these things about the things

732
00:25:54,474 --> 00:25:55,454
that people believe.

733
00:25:56,554 --> 00:25:58,474
Because then you're asking people to We may

734
00:25:58,474 --> 00:26:00,095
get to spend their actual,

735
00:26:00,875 --> 00:26:03,775
belief system. Yeah. And that's a very uncomfortable

736
00:26:03,835 --> 00:26:06,109
place to do. Very uncomfortable. And it's always

737
00:26:06,109 --> 00:26:08,109
been there regardless. Far as we know, in

738
00:26:08,109 --> 00:26:10,349
every kind of culture, in every kind of

739
00:26:10,349 --> 00:26:12,269
group of people of any size, there's been

740
00:26:12,269 --> 00:26:14,829
some form of this Right. That that they

741
00:26:14,829 --> 00:26:16,750
have people have gone to. Okay. Here's the

742
00:26:16,750 --> 00:26:18,429
thing. Here's the thing. Magical thinking Hold on.

743
00:26:18,429 --> 00:26:20,109
This is the thing, Torin. Get a pencil

744
00:26:20,109 --> 00:26:21,934
out. Write this down. Okay. I'll note it.

745
00:26:21,934 --> 00:26:24,414
Magical thinking is magical thinking is magical thinking

746
00:26:24,414 --> 00:26:27,315
whether it's applied to religion or to superstition

747
00:26:27,775 --> 00:26:30,975
or to Right. Or to turning, you know,

748
00:26:30,975 --> 00:26:32,275
a piece of wood into gold.

749
00:26:33,309 --> 00:26:35,630
But here's the thing. Oh no, it's another

750
00:26:35,630 --> 00:26:37,630
thing. Oh, I'm gonna make another note. Thing

751
00:26:37,630 --> 00:26:39,490
too, yes. Anybody can believe

752
00:26:40,029 --> 00:26:41,630
because it's all about faith. It's just about

753
00:26:41,630 --> 00:26:43,150
faith in what you choose to believe and

754
00:26:43,150 --> 00:26:44,910
that cannot be challenged. If you say I

755
00:26:44,910 --> 00:26:46,509
believe there are fairies in the bottom of

756
00:26:46,509 --> 00:26:47,090
the garden,

757
00:26:47,724 --> 00:26:48,865
If you believe that,

758
00:26:49,565 --> 00:26:51,644
okay, I can't challenge that. That's right. I

759
00:26:51,644 --> 00:26:52,304
can say

760
00:26:52,684 --> 00:26:54,924
I have no evidence to that. Yeah. I

761
00:26:54,924 --> 00:26:56,605
do not believe it. And I can say

762
00:26:56,605 --> 00:26:58,784
scientifically that they don't

763
00:26:59,484 --> 00:27:01,345
live in the bottom of the garden. Mhmm.

764
00:27:01,509 --> 00:27:03,829
And therefore, I can choose not to believe

765
00:27:03,829 --> 00:27:05,750
in it. Mhmm. But if you choose to

766
00:27:05,750 --> 00:27:07,269
believe in it even in the face of

767
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:09,990
scientific evidence that they don't exist there, I

768
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:12,009
can't challenge them. Mhmm. All right.

769
00:27:12,869 --> 00:27:13,369
Therefore,

770
00:27:15,349 --> 00:27:16,490
is it a

771
00:27:17,804 --> 00:27:19,884
superstition that the fairies live on the bottom

772
00:27:19,884 --> 00:27:22,625
of the garden or is it a religion?

773
00:27:24,444 --> 00:27:26,524
But you're believing that the fairies live on

774
00:27:26,524 --> 00:27:28,764
the bottom of the garden. The only way

775
00:27:28,764 --> 00:27:31,804
it becomes a religion is when authority steps

776
00:27:31,804 --> 00:27:32,944
in and says,

777
00:27:33,599 --> 00:27:36,000
yes. There are fairies at the bottom of

778
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:36,579
the garden.

779
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:37,839
And then

780
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,160
And here's the structure we're working. Then you

781
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:41,599
got a 100 people or a 1000 people

782
00:27:41,599 --> 00:27:43,359
or a 1000000 people saying there are fairies

783
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:44,880
at the bottom of the garden. Theologians would

784
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:45,380
probably,

785
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,134
they may debate that. I don't know. But

786
00:27:48,214 --> 00:27:50,615
I would say that that they yes. I

787
00:27:50,615 --> 00:27:52,174
mean, that's the essence of who they are.

788
00:27:52,174 --> 00:27:53,335
And if you and if you look at

789
00:27:53,335 --> 00:27:55,734
human history, you know, you can't begin to

790
00:27:55,734 --> 00:27:56,234
catalog

791
00:27:56,775 --> 00:27:58,075
the amount of fiction

792
00:27:58,375 --> 00:27:59,275
that has been

793
00:28:00,214 --> 00:28:00,714
authorized

794
00:28:01,420 --> 00:28:03,279
as fact by authority.

795
00:28:03,740 --> 00:28:06,059
You know, you had Roman gods. You had

796
00:28:06,059 --> 00:28:08,880
Greek gods. You had Hittite gods. You had

797
00:28:09,660 --> 00:28:11,200
Judeo gods. You had

798
00:28:11,660 --> 00:28:13,934
you had Egyptian gods. You had the You

799
00:28:13,934 --> 00:28:15,575
had the You had the Aztec gods. This

800
00:28:15,575 --> 00:28:18,154
goes on and on. Forever. Everybody

801
00:28:18,454 --> 00:28:20,075
in that group Uh-huh.

802
00:28:20,534 --> 00:28:21,434
Believed it

803
00:28:22,134 --> 00:28:25,034
and believed it as fact because the authorities

804
00:28:25,414 --> 00:28:27,335
That's right. Made it very dangerous for you

805
00:28:27,335 --> 00:28:29,789
to choose not to. Well, we also knew

806
00:28:29,789 --> 00:28:32,130
things like the sun was was eaten

807
00:28:32,670 --> 00:28:35,490
by a large monster Right. Each evening,

808
00:28:36,029 --> 00:28:37,890
and then it was reborn again

809
00:28:38,269 --> 00:28:39,009
in the morning.

810
00:28:39,549 --> 00:28:41,789
And and that was a fact. That was

811
00:28:41,789 --> 00:28:43,069
that was what was going on, and there

812
00:28:43,069 --> 00:28:44,994
it was. Every it, you know, it happened

813
00:28:44,994 --> 00:28:46,595
to be over those hills right over there

814
00:28:46,595 --> 00:28:47,955
every time. And it's rising on the back

815
00:28:47,955 --> 00:28:50,595
of a turtle. Or exactly. Or we're on

816
00:28:50,595 --> 00:28:52,115
we're on the back of a turtle or

817
00:28:52,115 --> 00:28:54,275
who knows? And I believe the turtle thing,

818
00:28:54,275 --> 00:28:55,474
by the way. I think the earth is

819
00:28:55,474 --> 00:28:56,755
a flat plane on the back of a

820
00:28:56,755 --> 00:28:59,230
turtle. I But, you know I've not seen

821
00:28:59,230 --> 00:29:00,990
anything to dispute that. I've only seen 2

822
00:29:00,990 --> 00:29:02,829
dimensional pictures of the planet. So there you

823
00:29:02,829 --> 00:29:03,970
go. In in fact,

824
00:29:05,309 --> 00:29:06,450
here's the thing.

825
00:29:07,150 --> 00:29:09,390
Between between thing 3. Digging up. Wait a

826
00:29:09,390 --> 00:29:12,045
sec. Between you and me? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

827
00:29:12,125 --> 00:29:13,725
It is the turtle. Yeah. Yeah. It's the

828
00:29:13,725 --> 00:29:15,424
turtle. I knew it. I knew it.

829
00:29:17,965 --> 00:29:18,725
Which is why

830
00:29:19,164 --> 00:29:20,525
Hey. Have you seen a have you seen

831
00:29:20,525 --> 00:29:22,684
a three-dimensional picture of the of the earth?

832
00:29:22,684 --> 00:29:25,105
It's one of no. No. Nor have I.

833
00:29:25,164 --> 00:29:27,170
No. No. No one has. Right. So if

834
00:29:27,170 --> 00:29:29,009
and so if you pose a situation where

835
00:29:29,009 --> 00:29:31,670
we don't have the scientific knowledge or equipment

836
00:29:31,730 --> 00:29:32,309
to actually

837
00:29:32,690 --> 00:29:35,730
prove or supply the evidence Right. Then you

838
00:29:35,730 --> 00:29:36,390
can default

839
00:29:36,769 --> 00:29:39,095
to belief. You you absolutely can. I mean,

840
00:29:39,095 --> 00:29:40,615
other than the fact that the the bottom

841
00:29:40,615 --> 00:29:43,035
of the ship disappears before the masts suit,

842
00:29:43,414 --> 00:29:45,654
which is absolutely not what would happen under

843
00:29:45,654 --> 00:29:48,134
those circumstances. But other than that, we have

844
00:29:48,134 --> 00:29:49,115
no proof whatsoever

845
00:29:49,414 --> 00:29:51,095
of Right. Of it being anything but a

846
00:29:51,095 --> 00:29:53,150
flat flat earth. The,

847
00:29:53,789 --> 00:29:55,830
I'm I'm sure I've offended someone out there

848
00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:58,670
with my anti flat earth opinion, but there

849
00:29:58,670 --> 00:30:00,269
you go. Deal with it. I'm gonna go

850
00:30:00,269 --> 00:30:01,710
back to Harry Potter here for a minute

851
00:30:01,710 --> 00:30:03,490
because Harry Potter was a phenomenon.

852
00:30:04,125 --> 00:30:06,705
The whole the whole concept of books moving

853
00:30:06,924 --> 00:30:08,305
everything. Magic in medieval

854
00:30:08,765 --> 00:30:09,265
England

855
00:30:09,805 --> 00:30:11,744
Mhmm. Was a very powerful

856
00:30:12,285 --> 00:30:14,285
force. I mean It was a very powerful

857
00:30:14,285 --> 00:30:16,384
force, but but it's but it's a powerful

858
00:30:16,445 --> 00:30:17,505
force today.

859
00:30:17,970 --> 00:30:19,970
I mean Mhmm. To this day, from the

860
00:30:19,970 --> 00:30:21,970
beginning of the first release of the first

861
00:30:21,970 --> 00:30:24,630
book. Well, it became yes. It's it's fabulous.

862
00:30:24,769 --> 00:30:26,529
It's fab But that's what I'm saying. The

863
00:30:26,529 --> 00:30:30,049
word fabulous itself Yeah. It implies magical. Does

864
00:30:30,049 --> 00:30:31,515
it? Well, to be

865
00:30:32,214 --> 00:30:32,875
a fabulous

866
00:30:33,414 --> 00:30:35,654
is somebody who tells stories that have no

867
00:30:35,654 --> 00:30:36,154
basis.

868
00:30:36,934 --> 00:30:39,515
The word Sort of like our podcast. Yes.

869
00:30:39,575 --> 00:30:40,075
Absolutely.

870
00:30:42,055 --> 00:30:43,414
The word itself We should have called it

871
00:30:43,414 --> 00:30:46,039
fabulous. Something that's fabulous even used in our

872
00:30:46,039 --> 00:30:46,539
vernacular.

873
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,039
You know? It's fabulous. It's like beyond belief.

874
00:30:50,039 --> 00:30:51,180
It's beyond knowledge,

875
00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:53,180
but it's also beyond belief.

876
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,900
Yeah. It's And yet It's fabulous.

877
00:30:56,545 --> 00:30:58,785
But Because it's kind of fun and interesting.

878
00:30:58,785 --> 00:31:00,625
Well, it's liberating to try to to to

879
00:31:00,625 --> 00:31:02,785
think that that there may be another way

880
00:31:02,785 --> 00:31:03,765
of seeing things

881
00:31:04,144 --> 00:31:05,904
that makes the world a nicer place to

882
00:31:05,904 --> 00:31:06,884
live in. Right.

883
00:31:07,184 --> 00:31:08,704
And and so so where I was going

884
00:31:08,704 --> 00:31:11,099
before once again, I was so rudely interrupted.

885
00:31:11,099 --> 00:31:12,779
Who did that? I don't know, but they

886
00:31:12,779 --> 00:31:13,920
really have to stop.

887
00:31:15,259 --> 00:31:16,940
The the idea of the the Harry Potter

888
00:31:16,940 --> 00:31:18,940
thing, what I'm going with, is that in

889
00:31:18,940 --> 00:31:21,259
so many cultures, this thing has been turned

890
00:31:21,259 --> 00:31:22,559
into so many languages

891
00:31:23,495 --> 00:31:24,475
around the globe,

892
00:31:24,855 --> 00:31:27,595
and it is it is incredibly appealing

893
00:31:28,055 --> 00:31:29,835
throughout the planet, really.

894
00:31:30,695 --> 00:31:33,335
Most of the planet is familiar with this

895
00:31:33,335 --> 00:31:35,735
whole idea. So that it it appears that

896
00:31:35,735 --> 00:31:37,275
it is a cross cultural,

897
00:31:38,789 --> 00:31:40,250
appeal toward magic.

898
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:42,069
And I mean, and they and they refer

899
00:31:42,069 --> 00:31:44,470
to it as magic. That's in in the

900
00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:44,970
book,

901
00:31:45,990 --> 00:31:48,730
JK Rowling refers to this as magic.

902
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:51,429
And so we see it that way. And

903
00:31:51,429 --> 00:31:53,985
so it's it's which is brilliant on her

904
00:31:53,985 --> 00:31:54,485
part,

905
00:31:55,025 --> 00:31:57,265
because everyone can deal with that under those

906
00:31:57,265 --> 00:31:59,125
concepts. We can deal with it on whatever

907
00:31:59,184 --> 00:31:59,684
level

908
00:32:00,225 --> 00:32:02,705
we want to like that. But we have,

909
00:32:02,705 --> 00:32:03,365
I think,

910
00:32:03,744 --> 00:32:04,565
as cultures

911
00:32:04,945 --> 00:32:06,085
and throughout history

912
00:32:06,465 --> 00:32:07,924
and continuing today.

913
00:32:08,339 --> 00:32:11,400
I mean, people believe that certain animals will

914
00:32:11,460 --> 00:32:12,599
will bring them benefits.

915
00:32:13,220 --> 00:32:16,740
People believe that, is it magic to, feng

916
00:32:16,740 --> 00:32:17,240
shui?

917
00:32:17,779 --> 00:32:19,619
Is is that magic? Yeah. Is it magic?

918
00:32:19,619 --> 00:32:21,619
I mean, if we have no scientific evidence

919
00:32:21,779 --> 00:32:22,279
Right.

920
00:32:22,924 --> 00:32:24,625
Or if we're lacking in scientific

921
00:32:25,565 --> 00:32:27,565
evidence and believe that in the future we

922
00:32:27,565 --> 00:32:29,804
will not have any to prove it Mhmm.

923
00:32:29,884 --> 00:32:31,884
Then at this point in time, if you

924
00:32:31,884 --> 00:32:33,345
believe it, it's magic.

925
00:32:33,644 --> 00:32:36,340
And that's a very strong cultural influence right

926
00:32:36,340 --> 00:32:38,660
there in that type of thing. Absolutely. We've

927
00:32:38,660 --> 00:32:41,000
talked about that in in past podcasts about,

928
00:32:41,539 --> 00:32:43,299
where things are placed if you go into

929
00:32:43,299 --> 00:32:44,820
a Chinese restaurant or you go into a

930
00:32:44,820 --> 00:32:47,220
Korean restaurant or a Japanese restaurant. You will

931
00:32:47,220 --> 00:32:49,000
see things placed in different ways

932
00:32:49,414 --> 00:32:51,575
and for different reasons, but there are they

933
00:32:51,575 --> 00:32:53,494
have a belief system to them. I know

934
00:32:53,494 --> 00:32:54,934
the kind of food that I'm gonna get

935
00:32:54,934 --> 00:32:57,015
if I walk into a Chinese restaurant just

936
00:32:57,015 --> 00:32:59,015
by looking at the placement of the objects.

937
00:32:59,015 --> 00:33:00,954
Mhmm. You know, whether it's gonna be Sichuanese

938
00:33:01,255 --> 00:33:02,554
or whether it's gonna be

939
00:33:02,929 --> 00:33:04,470
Hunanese or Cantonese.

940
00:33:05,250 --> 00:33:07,329
Cantonese is from the south of China where

941
00:33:07,329 --> 00:33:08,869
feng shui plays a large

942
00:33:09,170 --> 00:33:11,890
role in life. And so what you've got

943
00:33:12,130 --> 00:33:13,970
Lots of Hong Kong restaurants in the south

944
00:33:13,970 --> 00:33:14,549
of China.

945
00:33:15,250 --> 00:33:16,950
So you'll see this kind of food there.

946
00:33:17,255 --> 00:33:18,875
Well, if there's a water element

947
00:33:19,255 --> 00:33:21,735
upfront like a tank of fish. Right. You

948
00:33:21,735 --> 00:33:23,174
know you know you can order the fish.

949
00:33:23,174 --> 00:33:24,615
You can choose your fish and they'll take

950
00:33:24,615 --> 00:33:26,615
it out of a tank. But the water

951
00:33:26,615 --> 00:33:28,855
is a feng shui element which is bringing

952
00:33:28,855 --> 00:33:30,235
good luck into the restaurant.

953
00:33:30,630 --> 00:33:32,630
And there'll be a mirrored wall in the

954
00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:36,230
back because that reflects the bad forces out

955
00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:38,150
of the restaurant. Mhmm. So if I walk

956
00:33:38,150 --> 00:33:39,670
past the restaurant and I see mirrored wall

957
00:33:39,670 --> 00:33:41,190
in the back and and fish tanks up

958
00:33:41,190 --> 00:33:42,630
front, I know I know the kind of

959
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:45,109
food I'm gonna get. Right. Yeah. That's an

960
00:33:45,109 --> 00:33:47,774
element of feng shui. Absolutely. Right. And it's

961
00:33:47,894 --> 00:33:49,575
and and but you can recognize it because

962
00:33:49,575 --> 00:33:52,315
you recognize the culture that's dictating that portion

963
00:33:52,375 --> 00:33:53,434
of the feng shui.

964
00:33:53,894 --> 00:33:55,734
And and that is and and you can

965
00:33:55,734 --> 00:33:58,775
recognize it. Within the scope of things, it's

966
00:33:59,255 --> 00:34:01,490
I'm I'm saying, okay. See, you're that's a

967
00:34:01,490 --> 00:34:03,970
rational approach to it. As opposed to the

968
00:34:03,970 --> 00:34:06,210
belief system that there is going to be

969
00:34:06,210 --> 00:34:08,550
a drawing of good luck or a bouncing

970
00:34:09,089 --> 00:34:11,329
out of bad things that might happen to

971
00:34:11,329 --> 00:34:11,829
you.

972
00:34:12,690 --> 00:34:13,909
Now that that's superstitious.

973
00:34:14,289 --> 00:34:14,789
Right?

974
00:34:15,125 --> 00:34:18,105
You know, lucky Maybe it is. But but

975
00:34:18,244 --> 00:34:20,724
but I I am a strong believer of

976
00:34:20,724 --> 00:34:22,585
the idea of, as you know,

977
00:34:22,885 --> 00:34:25,045
of the of the idea of energy, and

978
00:34:25,045 --> 00:34:27,045
and that's something we can prove. Energy is

979
00:34:27,045 --> 00:34:28,644
there, and it has no beginning and no

980
00:34:28,644 --> 00:34:29,144
end.

981
00:34:29,550 --> 00:34:31,630
And which reflects an awful lot of things

982
00:34:31,630 --> 00:34:33,150
that have come up in religions throughout the

983
00:34:33,150 --> 00:34:34,289
history of of

984
00:34:34,590 --> 00:34:35,090
humans.

985
00:34:35,550 --> 00:34:38,590
But beyond that, in that energy, we don't

986
00:34:38,590 --> 00:34:40,449
we don't really know much.

987
00:34:40,750 --> 00:34:43,630
We don't know exactly how energy behaves in

988
00:34:43,630 --> 00:34:45,010
many different ways. Can

989
00:34:45,364 --> 00:34:45,944
can a

990
00:34:46,405 --> 00:34:50,025
human through different sources and through using materials

991
00:34:50,164 --> 00:34:52,724
or water or mirrors or rocks or stones

992
00:34:52,724 --> 00:34:55,764
or plants or or other other creatures or

993
00:34:55,764 --> 00:34:58,324
whatever, can you impact the energy and in

994
00:34:58,324 --> 00:34:58,824
fact

995
00:34:59,619 --> 00:35:00,920
have these results?

996
00:35:02,900 --> 00:35:04,739
Maybe. That's I mean, that's as much as

997
00:35:04,739 --> 00:35:06,260
I think we can say about it. I

998
00:35:06,260 --> 00:35:07,780
think I don't care who it is. And

999
00:35:07,780 --> 00:35:09,800
and the fact that we can't say more

1000
00:35:09,859 --> 00:35:10,519
may be

1001
00:35:11,059 --> 00:35:13,059
due to the fact that there isn't any

1002
00:35:13,059 --> 00:35:14,039
more to say.

1003
00:35:14,684 --> 00:35:17,164
So therefore therefore, it's just belief. It's not

1004
00:35:17,164 --> 00:35:19,485
scientific evidence. Just be belief. Or it may

1005
00:35:19,485 --> 00:35:21,805
be that we don't have enough science yet

1006
00:35:21,805 --> 00:35:23,565
to show it. And do the culture show

1007
00:35:23,565 --> 00:35:25,565
us then that if a if the if

1008
00:35:25,565 --> 00:35:26,224
you have

1009
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:28,630
the strong enough belief, then in fact, there

1010
00:35:28,630 --> 00:35:30,789
is a direct impact by these types of

1011
00:35:30,869 --> 00:35:32,710
Well, that's kind of like the placebo effect,

1012
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:34,150
you know, that that if you're true Right.

1013
00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:35,590
Which may or may not be a real

1014
00:35:35,590 --> 00:35:38,329
effect. Although Which which becomes a scientific

1015
00:35:38,630 --> 00:35:40,994
fact. Right. So if a person is given

1016
00:35:40,994 --> 00:35:43,255
a sugar pill instead of given a penicillin

1017
00:35:43,474 --> 00:35:45,234
or whatever it else is, although I don't

1018
00:35:45,234 --> 00:35:46,675
think I'd go there with penicillin. It's a

1019
00:35:46,675 --> 00:35:48,994
little dangerous. But if it's they're given something

1020
00:35:48,994 --> 00:35:50,135
in instead of,

1021
00:35:50,434 --> 00:35:51,974
what we would normally consider

1022
00:35:52,914 --> 00:35:53,414
pharmaceuticals,

1023
00:35:54,579 --> 00:35:57,139
And and they still come up with the

1024
00:35:57,139 --> 00:35:57,639
result

1025
00:35:58,179 --> 00:35:59,559
that is there, which happens.

1026
00:36:00,019 --> 00:36:02,099
I mean, doctors, scientists That's why they call

1027
00:36:02,099 --> 00:36:04,260
it the placebo effect. It's the placebo effect.

1028
00:36:04,260 --> 00:36:06,420
But the the another person can take the

1029
00:36:06,420 --> 00:36:07,239
sugar pill

1030
00:36:07,554 --> 00:36:09,875
and not be impacted at all by it.

1031
00:36:09,875 --> 00:36:11,894
It will not in it will not positively

1032
00:36:11,954 --> 00:36:12,614
or negatively

1033
00:36:13,315 --> 00:36:14,994
impact them because it turns out it's a

1034
00:36:14,994 --> 00:36:16,594
sugar pill. And the believer will say that's

1035
00:36:16,594 --> 00:36:17,954
because sugar probably is bad for you, but

1036
00:36:17,954 --> 00:36:19,315
that's an honest And the believer will say

1037
00:36:19,315 --> 00:36:21,554
that's because they didn't believe hard enough. You

1038
00:36:21,554 --> 00:36:22,375
didn't. Right.

1039
00:36:22,739 --> 00:36:24,579
That's right. Then the non believer will say

1040
00:36:24,579 --> 00:36:26,500
no. That's because it really didn't have any

1041
00:36:26,500 --> 00:36:28,920
scientific effect. Had no effect. And who's right?

1042
00:36:30,179 --> 00:36:32,820
Depending on your culture. Right? Depending on your

1043
00:36:32,820 --> 00:36:35,480
culture and whether you want to believe

1044
00:36:36,500 --> 00:36:39,175
that that that's the case. Now wouldn't you

1045
00:36:39,175 --> 00:36:41,335
want to believe and this goes to I

1046
00:36:41,335 --> 00:36:43,414
I think I was gonna say I believe,

1047
00:36:43,414 --> 00:36:44,315
but I think,

1048
00:36:45,094 --> 00:36:48,454
that the that it's like Harry Potter. Harry

1049
00:36:48,454 --> 00:36:50,375
Potter, the nice thing about that was it

1050
00:36:50,375 --> 00:36:51,969
gave it gave solutions.

1051
00:36:52,510 --> 00:36:54,109
It's almost like the the,

1052
00:36:54,829 --> 00:36:56,530
and I was a big time

1053
00:36:56,989 --> 00:36:59,409
superhero comic fan when I was a kid.

1054
00:36:59,789 --> 00:37:01,389
I I I bought them all the time.

1055
00:37:01,389 --> 00:37:04,750
Superman, Batman, Aquaman, slash The whole superhero thing

1056
00:37:04,750 --> 00:37:07,235
is all about magical powers. Right.

1057
00:37:08,095 --> 00:37:08,595
Right?

1058
00:37:09,295 --> 00:37:10,894
Right. So this is and this is is

1059
00:37:10,894 --> 00:37:14,175
this within cultures? Yes. It's it's, again, throughout

1060
00:37:14,175 --> 00:37:16,035
the world. This is part

1061
00:37:16,335 --> 00:37:18,914
of culture. If you believe in that Mhmm.

1062
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,440
That You want to believe in that. That

1063
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,139
Superman, you know, could see

1064
00:37:23,519 --> 00:37:25,119
through well, this is part of its appeal

1065
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:28,159
because people want solutions. And that's that's where

1066
00:37:28,159 --> 00:37:30,980
I think this is taking us. And therefore,

1067
00:37:31,199 --> 00:37:34,400
that need can be manipulated by power elites

1068
00:37:34,639 --> 00:37:37,085
Mhmm. Who claim to be the authorities and

1069
00:37:37,085 --> 00:37:39,324
the holders of the keys. And and, you

1070
00:37:39,324 --> 00:37:42,065
know, the whole notion of trying to establish

1071
00:37:42,125 --> 00:37:45,244
what is sane and not sane Mhmm. Is

1072
00:37:45,244 --> 00:37:46,065
really about

1073
00:37:46,445 --> 00:37:48,864
what is allowable by the authorities

1074
00:37:49,164 --> 00:37:50,784
and what is not. Yes.

1075
00:37:51,429 --> 00:37:51,929
Right.

1076
00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:53,590
Who has the power to be able to

1077
00:37:53,590 --> 00:37:55,610
say that? They're the ones who dictate it,

1078
00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:58,469
or they're protecting themselves from what they perceive

1079
00:37:58,469 --> 00:37:59,690
as a threat.

1080
00:38:00,150 --> 00:38:02,390
That's right. Yeah. And that's why they use

1081
00:38:02,390 --> 00:38:03,344
that. Right.

1082
00:38:04,304 --> 00:38:06,545
So okay. Well, well, that's interesting. That's an

1083
00:38:06,545 --> 00:38:08,304
interesting Like, the Wizard of Oz, I think,

1084
00:38:08,304 --> 00:38:10,545
was a marvelous metaphor for that. But when

1085
00:38:10,545 --> 00:38:13,505
when Dorothy pulls the curtain back Yes. And

1086
00:38:13,505 --> 00:38:15,905
she sees Oh, yes. What the authority was

1087
00:38:15,905 --> 00:38:16,965
was really about.

1088
00:38:17,780 --> 00:38:19,380
Pay no attention to the man behind the

1089
00:38:19,380 --> 00:38:21,940
curtain. The curtain. There is yes. Pay no

1090
00:38:21,940 --> 00:38:23,719
attention to the man behind the.

1091
00:38:24,339 --> 00:38:26,519
Pay no attention to the man behind the

1092
00:38:26,659 --> 00:38:28,579
the bema. Pay no attention to the man

1093
00:38:28,579 --> 00:38:28,900
behind

1094
00:38:30,045 --> 00:38:32,125
Yes. Whatever it happens to be along those

1095
00:38:32,125 --> 00:38:34,525
lines. Absolutely. It's in the blank. Yeah. It's

1096
00:38:34,525 --> 00:38:36,704
it's a that that's that's

1097
00:38:37,085 --> 00:38:39,085
very but The Wizard of Oz story, by

1098
00:38:39,085 --> 00:38:41,005
the way, is is is quite a deep

1099
00:38:41,005 --> 00:38:43,440
story if you really, really look into it.

1100
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,839
Not to get off onto that, but,

1101
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:47,539
but there's a lot of,

1102
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,739
symbolism, a significant

1103
00:38:51,199 --> 00:38:53,539
symbolism in that in that story. A remarkable

1104
00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:55,454
amount and, there's a

1105
00:38:55,934 --> 00:38:57,795
very, very profound connection

1106
00:38:58,414 --> 00:38:59,394
between the Ramayana

1107
00:39:00,255 --> 00:39:02,755
and The Wizard of Oz and the story

1108
00:39:02,974 --> 00:39:04,275
of flying monkeys.

1109
00:39:05,295 --> 00:39:07,295
Okay. Yeah. And that exists in the and

1110
00:39:07,295 --> 00:39:08,655
Ramayana, by the way, is one of the

1111
00:39:08,655 --> 00:39:10,589
great one of the great Hindu myths. And

1112
00:39:10,589 --> 00:39:12,750
that also goes to the idea that there

1113
00:39:12,750 --> 00:39:13,650
really isn't

1114
00:39:14,190 --> 00:39:16,750
anything new anymore. It's or and there hasn't

1115
00:39:16,750 --> 00:39:18,049
been in quite some time

1116
00:39:18,429 --> 00:39:20,670
that as as we said before, Shakespeare really

1117
00:39:20,670 --> 00:39:22,974
didn't create any of his plots. Or that

1118
00:39:22,974 --> 00:39:23,875
that that,

1119
00:39:24,974 --> 00:39:26,275
who's the author? Frank,

1120
00:39:27,614 --> 00:39:29,775
of the was it of Oz? Oh, Bum.

1121
00:39:29,775 --> 00:39:31,855
Frank Bum? Yeah. Yeah. Frank Gell Bum? Yeah.

1122
00:39:31,855 --> 00:39:32,355
Just

1123
00:39:34,030 --> 00:39:36,030
took a really good story that millions and

1124
00:39:36,030 --> 00:39:38,590
millions of people had been believing in for

1125
00:39:38,829 --> 00:39:42,110
Right. Millennia Right. And said, well, if it's

1126
00:39:42,110 --> 00:39:45,490
good enough for them, let's let's trans transmute

1127
00:39:45,550 --> 00:39:47,565
it for the west. Sure. Whether that was

1128
00:39:47,565 --> 00:39:50,045
done consciously or subconsciously, it doesn't really matter.

1129
00:39:50,045 --> 00:39:51,325
We don't know. It's Yeah. But that that's

1130
00:39:51,405 --> 00:39:52,844
There will always be a willingness to it

1131
00:39:52,844 --> 00:39:55,885
that would be almost plagiaristic if it occurred

1132
00:39:55,885 --> 00:39:56,784
today, I think.

1133
00:39:57,164 --> 00:39:59,644
Well, it possibly, if we care enough about

1134
00:39:59,644 --> 00:40:01,530
the other version of it. Yes. That's right.

1135
00:40:01,610 --> 00:40:02,969
If we don't, then we don't care. If

1136
00:40:02,969 --> 00:40:03,469
if

1137
00:40:04,329 --> 00:40:06,090
if enough people even knew about it then.

1138
00:40:06,090 --> 00:40:08,730
Right. Right. Which in in the Here. In

1139
00:40:08,730 --> 00:40:11,369
the English speaking world, we probably did not.

1140
00:40:11,369 --> 00:40:14,010
Right. Right. Most likely. So check out the

1141
00:40:14,010 --> 00:40:14,510
Ramayana,

1142
00:40:15,244 --> 00:40:16,925
folks, if you don't know it. College, and

1143
00:40:16,925 --> 00:40:18,385
it made me think of Star Wars.

1144
00:40:18,765 --> 00:40:21,005
You know? It's that Interesting. Okay. Structure. Well,

1145
00:40:21,005 --> 00:40:22,605
Star Wars is nothing new in Star Wars

1146
00:40:22,605 --> 00:40:23,804
either. I hate to tell that. A thick

1147
00:40:23,804 --> 00:40:24,304
structure.

1148
00:40:24,684 --> 00:40:25,905
Right. That's right.

1149
00:40:27,099 --> 00:40:29,019
Yeah. Sure. All of all of those types

1150
00:40:29,019 --> 00:40:31,099
of things are. Not that there's anything wrong

1151
00:40:31,099 --> 00:40:33,260
with that. There that is No. It it

1152
00:40:33,260 --> 00:40:36,000
obviously Why not build on really fine structure?

1153
00:40:36,059 --> 00:40:38,019
Yeah. Yeah. May build on a good foundation.

1154
00:40:38,139 --> 00:40:40,139
Enjoy it. Sure. That that's always the problem.

1155
00:40:40,139 --> 00:40:42,494
You know, when something is that good you

1156
00:40:42,494 --> 00:40:45,534
get people, let's let's let's use it again

1157
00:40:45,534 --> 00:40:48,094
somehow, which is fine Mhmm. As long as

1158
00:40:48,094 --> 00:40:50,094
you don't Well, you've gotta you've gotta bring

1159
00:40:50,174 --> 00:40:51,855
but you've gotta bring your own Gotta bring

1160
00:40:51,855 --> 00:40:53,534
your own message to it or your own,

1161
00:40:53,855 --> 00:40:55,855
twist to it. Yep. It's it's the hero's

1162
00:40:55,855 --> 00:40:58,309
journey, Joseph Campbell, and you just adapt. Yeah.

1163
00:40:58,309 --> 00:40:59,610
Right. That's right.

1164
00:41:00,550 --> 00:41:01,690
Well, alright then.

1165
00:41:07,110 --> 00:41:09,429
Okay. Listen. The way to get hold of

1166
00:41:09,429 --> 00:41:11,929
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1167
00:41:12,914 --> 00:41:14,135
And our Twitter handle

1168
00:41:14,434 --> 00:41:16,675
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1169
00:41:16,675 --> 00:41:19,894
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1170
00:41:19,954 --> 00:41:22,035
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1171
00:41:22,035 --> 00:41:23,875
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1172
00:41:23,875 --> 00:41:25,795
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1173
00:41:25,795 --> 00:41:26,614
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1174
00:41:26,914 --> 00:41:29,140
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1175
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,840
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1179
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,574
I never got the fortune telling thing. Well,

1180
00:41:43,574 --> 00:41:44,855
that's because they tell you things you don't

1181
00:41:44,855 --> 00:41:46,454
wanna hear. No. No. No. They tell me

1182
00:41:46,534 --> 00:41:48,375
no. They they don't they sometimes tell me

1183
00:41:48,375 --> 00:41:49,894
things I don't wanna I remember one time

1184
00:41:49,894 --> 00:41:51,255
I went I went on I went on

1185
00:41:51,255 --> 00:41:52,394
a fortune telling

1186
00:41:52,934 --> 00:41:55,414
spree. Did you? I did. Did you? I

1187
00:41:55,414 --> 00:41:56,300
went to 4 different fortune tellers. I wouldn't

1188
00:41:56,300 --> 00:41:56,438
believe anything he says from this point on.

1189
00:41:56,438 --> 00:41:56,954
In one

1190
00:41:57,574 --> 00:41:58,074
day.

1191
00:41:59,449 --> 00:42:00,429
Anything he says

1192
00:42:01,049 --> 00:42:01,549
from

1193
00:42:02,010 --> 00:42:03,449
this point on. In one day. In one

1194
00:42:03,449 --> 00:42:03,949
day,

1195
00:42:04,250 --> 00:42:06,589
we went from one fortune teller to another.

1196
00:42:07,049 --> 00:42:09,469
And the thing about it is this,

1197
00:42:10,170 --> 00:42:11,710
why would I give my money?

1198
00:42:13,155 --> 00:42:13,795
It's like we're

1199
00:42:14,755 --> 00:42:16,375
why would I give my money to somebody

1200
00:42:17,075 --> 00:42:19,474
who if they knew the future Right. For

1201
00:42:19,474 --> 00:42:20,934
everybody else Right.

1202
00:42:21,795 --> 00:42:23,875
Why would they be doing this? Right. And

1203
00:42:23,875 --> 00:42:25,655
why wouldn't they just do it for themselves?

1204
00:42:25,795 --> 00:42:26,295
Absolutely.

1205
00:42:26,699 --> 00:42:28,539
Absolutely. Just go to the stock market and

1206
00:42:28,539 --> 00:42:29,280
make a $1,000,000,000

1207
00:42:29,659 --> 00:42:31,140
and and move on. Well, it's like this

1208
00:42:31,260 --> 00:42:33,519
that's the same thing. This crummy little storefront.

1209
00:42:33,980 --> 00:42:35,119
Right. Well,

1210
00:42:35,420 --> 00:42:36,859
it's the same reason why I don't get

1211
00:42:37,019 --> 00:42:39,179
I don't wanna give my money, the little

1212
00:42:39,179 --> 00:42:40,800
that I have to a stock broker.

1213
00:42:41,175 --> 00:42:43,255
Because if you knew how to invest my

1214
00:42:43,255 --> 00:42:43,755
money,

1215
00:42:44,055 --> 00:42:46,215
then you don't need my money. Right. You

1216
00:42:46,215 --> 00:42:47,735
shouldn't need my money. Just go invest the

1217
00:42:47,735 --> 00:42:49,815
money you have and, and live happily ever

1218
00:42:49,815 --> 00:42:51,974
after. Exactly. Now I know there are lots

1219
00:42:51,974 --> 00:42:54,074
of other reasons why I need a financial

1220
00:42:54,215 --> 00:42:56,360
analyst. Of course, I need an analyst. Yeah.

1221
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,280
See, you're believing in the magic. Right. I

1222
00:42:58,280 --> 00:42:59,960
need an analyst in a lot of areas.

1223
00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:00,780
Right. But

1224
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:03,500
but but nevertheless,

1225
00:43:04,199 --> 00:43:06,360
you know, why would I need a fortune

1226
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,119
teller? Why would I believe with a fortune

1227
00:43:08,119 --> 00:43:10,215
teller? Well, but but but it goes to

1228
00:43:10,295 --> 00:43:12,614
so many other areas too. The the groundhog

1229
00:43:12,614 --> 00:43:13,914
in the US. But

1230
00:43:14,295 --> 00:43:15,815
but here's my point. Oh, wait. Here's the

1231
00:43:15,815 --> 00:43:17,675
point. Hold hold on. Hold your groundhog.

1232
00:43:17,974 --> 00:43:20,215
Okay. Hold your groundhog. Yes. I've got my

1233
00:43:20,215 --> 00:43:20,715
groundhog.

1234
00:43:23,489 --> 00:43:25,889
He's got no idea. He's got no idea

1235
00:43:25,889 --> 00:43:26,469
at all.

1236
00:43:27,010 --> 00:43:27,510
Nothing.

1237
00:43:27,969 --> 00:43:30,210
Nothing. Why am I not surprised? I'm not

1238
00:43:30,210 --> 00:43:30,710
surprised.

1239
00:43:31,730 --> 00:43:33,489
Is that something to do with the fortune

1240
00:43:33,489 --> 00:43:33,989
teller?

1241
00:43:34,690 --> 00:43:35,190
Yeah.

1242
00:43:35,775 --> 00:43:37,375
And you had to go to the round

1243
00:43:37,375 --> 00:43:39,295
hog, and then it threw out my head.

1244
00:43:39,295 --> 00:43:41,614
Throw it on me. That's that's why I'm

1245
00:43:41,614 --> 00:43:42,114
here.

1246
00:43:43,214 --> 00:43:43,954
Oh, wow.

1247
00:43:44,574 --> 00:43:47,054
I'll just take my blame and move along.

1248
00:43:47,054 --> 00:43:49,214
Oh, is it time for magical penance on

1249
00:43:49,214 --> 00:43:51,159
my part now? I think it is. I

1250
00:43:51,159 --> 00:43:52,539
think it might be. Yes.

1251
00:43:53,079 --> 00:43:54,760
I think you should feel very sorry for

1252
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,360
me right now. But I was going to

1253
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:57,800
say let me go to my groundhog, and

1254
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,320
you can sit over there and Try to

1255
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,559
get it back. Magically remember what you have

1256
00:44:01,559 --> 00:44:02,059
forgotten.

1257
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:03,980
The groundhog

1258
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,844
is is this silly silly superstition

1259
00:44:07,545 --> 00:44:09,945
that came about who knows why, which I

1260
00:44:09,945 --> 00:44:12,184
I think it's simply meaning we took an

1261
00:44:12,184 --> 00:44:13,864
animal. And this is in the US. I

1262
00:44:13,864 --> 00:44:15,304
do not know if they do it anywhere

1263
00:44:15,304 --> 00:44:17,304
else in the world. Hopefully, they probably do

1264
00:44:17,304 --> 00:44:19,230
their own versions, but it's an incredibly

1265
00:44:19,690 --> 00:44:20,670
stupid superstition.

1266
00:44:21,050 --> 00:44:22,989
I'm sure the people in Punxsutawney, Pennsylvania

1267
00:44:23,369 --> 00:44:25,690
will be very upset about me saying this.

1268
00:44:25,690 --> 00:44:27,849
Yes. Hopefully, they're not stupid. Sorry. Sorry. Yeah.

1269
00:44:27,849 --> 00:44:28,670
Sorry, Punxsutawney.

1270
00:44:29,450 --> 00:44:31,610
I'm sure you're all lovely. Sorry? No. I'm

1271
00:44:31,610 --> 00:44:32,750
not sorry at all. Okay.

1272
00:44:34,175 --> 00:44:35,635
So if this if this

1273
00:44:36,655 --> 00:44:39,635
large, woolly, furry rat It's not that large.

1274
00:44:39,695 --> 00:44:41,295
Right? Well, it's it's bigger than a regular

1275
00:44:41,295 --> 00:44:43,315
rat, except some of them in New York.

1276
00:44:43,454 --> 00:44:45,614
But but most of them. And if when

1277
00:44:45,614 --> 00:44:47,775
that comes out of its burrow, its den

1278
00:44:47,775 --> 00:44:49,619
that they keep it in, and it comes

1279
00:44:49,619 --> 00:44:51,859
out, if it sees its shadow, it goes

1280
00:44:51,859 --> 00:44:54,019
back in, and there's 6 more weeks of

1281
00:44:54,019 --> 00:44:55,239
winter. Supposedly.

1282
00:44:56,019 --> 00:44:59,299
Well, well, no. Not no. In there were

1283
00:44:59,299 --> 00:45:01,139
6 more weeks of winter. But it'll be

1284
00:45:01,139 --> 00:45:03,135
a rough winter or a mild winter. Right.

1285
00:45:03,135 --> 00:45:04,494
It's either gonna you're gonna get over and

1286
00:45:04,494 --> 00:45:06,015
have a little bit what we would refer

1287
00:45:06,015 --> 00:45:08,015
to as maybe an early spring. Obviously, this

1288
00:45:08,015 --> 00:45:10,815
is only important to people living in climates

1289
00:45:10,815 --> 00:45:11,554
that are,

1290
00:45:11,934 --> 00:45:12,434
seasonal,

1291
00:45:12,974 --> 00:45:14,034
specifically seasonal.

1292
00:45:14,414 --> 00:45:16,894
So you that's that's the idea. If he

1293
00:45:16,894 --> 00:45:18,131
doesn't see his shadow or she doesn't see

1294
00:45:18,131 --> 00:45:18,690
her shadow Is it a he or a

1295
00:45:21,250 --> 00:45:23,969
I don't Nepaxitani Phil, I'm assuming, but it

1296
00:45:23,969 --> 00:45:25,109
could be sure for Phyllis.

1297
00:45:25,809 --> 00:45:29,329
Mhmm. But Or Phyllis. Mhmm. What was yours?

1298
00:45:29,329 --> 00:45:31,429
Phyllisia. Or Phyllisia. Okay.

1299
00:45:32,210 --> 00:45:33,650
But it I I don't believe it is

1300
00:45:33,650 --> 00:45:35,485
a it is a male. And,

1301
00:45:35,864 --> 00:45:37,625
regard we'll use they and move on from

1302
00:45:37,625 --> 00:45:39,324
there. If they see their shadow

1303
00:45:40,025 --> 00:45:42,585
and then then 6 more weeks. If they

1304
00:45:42,585 --> 00:45:45,144
do not, well then spring is right around

1305
00:45:45,144 --> 00:45:46,285
the corner. Now

1306
00:45:46,905 --> 00:45:47,885
over the years,

1307
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:48,980
this has

1308
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:50,579
been shown

1309
00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:52,659
to be utter nonsense.

1310
00:45:54,079 --> 00:45:57,039
And it it really isn't a a safe

1311
00:45:57,039 --> 00:45:59,920
prediction. Not to mention that, like, every little

1312
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:01,699
area now has some critter

1313
00:46:02,184 --> 00:46:04,264
who is doing the same thing all on

1314
00:46:04,264 --> 00:46:06,844
February 2nd, which is known as Groundhog Day.

1315
00:46:07,304 --> 00:46:09,244
And and that's when we bring them out.

1316
00:46:09,464 --> 00:46:09,964
So

1317
00:46:11,224 --> 00:46:12,664
is it is it going to be right?

1318
00:46:12,664 --> 00:46:13,804
Well, it's a 5050

1319
00:46:14,184 --> 00:46:14,684
chance.

1320
00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:16,980
You could flip a coin and get that,

1321
00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:19,119
but then, no, there is a scientific aspect

1322
00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:20,019
to it because

1323
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,980
or if I'm running a ski, hill mountain,

1324
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,440
I, probably would like 6 more weeks of

1325
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,319
winter. If I am looking forward to warmer

1326
00:46:28,319 --> 00:46:30,545
weather and getting outside more and so on

1327
00:46:30,545 --> 00:46:33,045
and so forth, I don't want it. So

1328
00:46:33,264 --> 00:46:34,484
to some group,

1329
00:46:35,025 --> 00:46:37,764
Punxsutawney is going to give a an answer

1330
00:46:37,904 --> 00:46:40,704
that they are not pleased with or they're

1331
00:46:40,704 --> 00:46:42,545
very pleased with. And those who are very

1332
00:46:42,545 --> 00:46:43,984
pleased with at the time when they're very

1333
00:46:43,984 --> 00:46:45,920
pleased with it, why not buy into it?

1334
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,679
It's telling me what I wanna hear. Well,

1335
00:46:47,679 --> 00:46:48,980
especially when authorities

1336
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,880
are verifying. Blessing. Mhmm. That's right. I mean,

1337
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,880
the media covers this thing when they take

1338
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,400
the rat out of the hole. And but

1339
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,525
they cover it for one simple reason. People

1340
00:46:58,525 --> 00:47:00,545
are paying attention. If you don't pay attention,

1341
00:47:00,765 --> 00:47:02,364
the media doesn't cover it. And that's the

1342
00:47:02,364 --> 00:47:04,045
point. They they believe it. And and the

1343
00:47:04,045 --> 00:47:07,425
thing about in in in Punxsutawney, Philip, Pennsylvania,

1344
00:47:08,045 --> 00:47:09,184
it is a

1345
00:47:09,565 --> 00:47:11,184
it is a moneymaker for them.

1346
00:47:12,364 --> 00:47:12,840
As,

1347
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:13,980
you know, the,

1348
00:47:14,599 --> 00:47:16,780
Loch Ness monster is for,

1349
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:19,719
the Loch Ness area of Scotland. No. And

1350
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,039
now that's another, you know, any kind of

1351
00:47:22,039 --> 00:47:23,739
myth making thing. You know? Right.

1352
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,660
There's a magical element to myth. Yes. Absolutely.

1353
00:47:27,710 --> 00:47:30,985
Myth Yeti. Yeah. Myth is a magical story.

1354
00:47:31,045 --> 00:47:33,144
Mhmm. It's a story based on a magical

1355
00:47:33,364 --> 00:47:36,005
a fabulous creature. A fabulous creature that may

1356
00:47:36,005 --> 00:47:38,085
have threads of reality and truth to it.

1357
00:47:38,085 --> 00:47:39,765
Or the gods which is why the gods

1358
00:47:39,765 --> 00:47:40,905
always looked human

1359
00:47:41,460 --> 00:47:43,139
when they were depicted so that we could

1360
00:47:43,219 --> 00:47:45,059
so that the listener to the story could

1361
00:47:45,059 --> 00:47:47,159
relate to the myth. Sure. Right?

1362
00:47:47,619 --> 00:47:49,159
I mean, if you make the gods

1363
00:47:50,340 --> 00:47:50,840
featureless

1364
00:47:51,219 --> 00:47:53,300
or looking like something else, if you made

1365
00:47:53,300 --> 00:47:55,465
them look like a different creature other than

1366
00:47:55,465 --> 00:47:58,184
humans and they had different attributes. Mhmm. Right?

1367
00:47:58,184 --> 00:47:59,945
So a lot of the Greek gods would

1368
00:47:59,945 --> 00:48:02,344
be the satyrs would be half human and

1369
00:48:02,344 --> 00:48:02,844
half,

1370
00:48:03,864 --> 00:48:06,119
Horse. Horse, is it? Right? And That that

1371
00:48:06,119 --> 00:48:07,960
would give them certain attributes. And back to

1372
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,380
your point about the magic of charms and

1373
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,199
animals having certain characteristics and animals being able

1374
00:48:14,199 --> 00:48:14,699
to

1375
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:16,699
so the wise fox.

1376
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:17,500
Yes.

1377
00:48:18,184 --> 00:48:20,344
The the Oh, the wise owl. The wise

1378
00:48:20,344 --> 00:48:22,824
owl. The sly fox. The sly fox. Right.

1379
00:48:22,824 --> 00:48:25,945
Right. The, Giving them human characteristics. Right. And

1380
00:48:25,945 --> 00:48:28,184
you have the not not to slander their

1381
00:48:28,184 --> 00:48:29,784
beliefs in this part of the system, but

1382
00:48:29,784 --> 00:48:31,085
the cows in India

1383
00:48:31,530 --> 00:48:33,929
and and the the the developments that they

1384
00:48:33,929 --> 00:48:35,710
have to the to the greater mix.

1385
00:48:36,090 --> 00:48:38,570
And all of these things intertwine, whether they

1386
00:48:38,570 --> 00:48:41,050
are based on more of of reality or

1387
00:48:41,050 --> 00:48:42,030
stronger beliefs.

1388
00:48:42,969 --> 00:48:44,974
I don't know that that it it can

1389
00:48:44,974 --> 00:48:46,815
be it's gonna be dictated by the time

1390
00:48:46,815 --> 00:48:47,315
element.

1391
00:48:47,775 --> 00:48:50,494
And it's it's like if you asked me

1392
00:48:50,494 --> 00:48:52,655
before, what would I bring back? If I'm

1393
00:48:52,655 --> 00:48:53,875
going back far enough,

1394
00:48:54,255 --> 00:48:56,114
I would bring back a microscope

1395
00:48:56,414 --> 00:48:57,155
and slides

1396
00:48:58,109 --> 00:48:59,949
so that I could show people the world

1397
00:48:59,949 --> 00:49:01,869
that they cannot see with their eyes. And

1398
00:49:01,869 --> 00:49:04,190
when they first did that, when luenoke did

1399
00:49:04,190 --> 00:49:06,349
that Yes. You know, people didn't believe it.

1400
00:49:06,349 --> 00:49:08,349
They Of course not. They they they they

1401
00:49:08,349 --> 00:49:10,269
jumped back in horror at what they were

1402
00:49:10,269 --> 00:49:11,809
seeing on the slide. Mhmm.

1403
00:49:12,344 --> 00:49:14,445
I still do, but that's a different story.

1404
00:49:15,224 --> 00:49:17,065
It's Do you know you know what those

1405
00:49:17,065 --> 00:49:19,405
little things on your eyelashes look like?

1406
00:49:19,704 --> 00:49:21,885
Well, that's They look like little rhinoceros.

1407
00:49:22,305 --> 00:49:22,805
In

1408
00:49:23,385 --> 00:49:24,204
You know that?

1409
00:49:24,809 --> 00:49:25,949
This is not belief.

1410
00:49:26,570 --> 00:49:28,969
If you scrape your eyelash right now and

1411
00:49:28,969 --> 00:49:30,410
put it under a mic on a slide

1412
00:49:30,410 --> 00:49:31,230
under a microscope,

1413
00:49:32,250 --> 00:49:33,869
you'd have like these little rhinoceroses.

1414
00:49:34,410 --> 00:49:35,869
Really? Yes. Rhinocerae.

1415
00:49:36,815 --> 00:49:38,355
Is it rhinocerae? Rhinoceroses?

1416
00:49:38,894 --> 00:49:40,414
What is it? I don't know. Did I

1417
00:49:40,414 --> 00:49:40,994
say rhinocerae?

1418
00:49:41,535 --> 00:49:44,974
Yes. Grammar time. Grammar time. Everybody loves grammar

1419
00:49:44,974 --> 00:49:45,715
time. Yeah. Grammar

1420
00:49:48,494 --> 00:49:51,135
time. Well, listen. Just Rhinocerae. Obviously, we've got

1421
00:49:51,135 --> 00:49:52,434
a long way to go with this. Rhinocerae.

1422
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:53,639
But oh, wait. We're not

1423
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,559
Uh-huh. Oh, licensing. Licensing? Yes. Oh, sorry. Yeah.

1424
00:49:57,559 --> 00:49:58,059
Okay.

1425
00:49:58,440 --> 00:49:58,839
When,

1426
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,239
we had grammar time of licensing in one

1427
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:02,059
swoop there.

1428
00:50:02,359 --> 00:50:04,199
It was big stuff. When are we gonna

1429
00:50:04,199 --> 00:50:06,039
have grandpa time? Speaking of

1430
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:07,500
Alright.

1431
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:08,445
We forgot

1432
00:50:10,445 --> 00:50:10,605
about that. Yeah. Well, we will do that.

1433
00:50:10,605 --> 00:50:11,885
We've got an upcoming podcast actually. We're gonna

1434
00:50:11,885 --> 00:50:15,005
do grandpa time. That's good. About, elders and

1435
00:50:15,005 --> 00:50:17,644
and younger and and youngers too. So Well,

1436
00:50:17,644 --> 00:50:18,144
youngers

1437
00:50:18,925 --> 00:50:21,125
age and how different cultures view age and

1438
00:50:21,125 --> 00:50:23,059
age. That's coming. That's coming up. As well

1439
00:50:23,059 --> 00:50:24,820
as you're gonna tell us about New Zealand

1440
00:50:24,820 --> 00:50:26,119
and your trip there because,

1441
00:50:26,900 --> 00:50:29,300
you have An absolutely fascinating culture and the

1442
00:50:29,300 --> 00:50:31,860
Maori beliefs. And again, here are Maori beliefs,

1443
00:50:31,860 --> 00:50:33,699
and one could view it as superstitious, or

1444
00:50:33,699 --> 00:50:35,460
one could view it as cultural, one could

1445
00:50:35,460 --> 00:50:36,440
view it as religious.

1446
00:50:37,284 --> 00:50:39,324
But they're magical because And it's certainly not.

1447
00:50:39,525 --> 00:50:42,085
Many of them have no scientific evidence Right.

1448
00:50:42,164 --> 00:50:44,644
To support them. Right. And yet even just

1449
00:50:44,644 --> 00:50:45,304
the microscope

1450
00:50:45,844 --> 00:50:46,344
itself,

1451
00:50:47,045 --> 00:50:48,965
things that could have been happening that people

1452
00:50:48,965 --> 00:50:50,804
said, well, that can't be real. That's that's

1453
00:50:50,804 --> 00:50:52,769
not. The microscope may have said, but it

1454
00:50:52,769 --> 00:50:54,610
is real. It is real. Right. It may

1455
00:50:54,610 --> 00:50:56,789
have, and they did not have that before.

1456
00:50:56,849 --> 00:50:58,369
So now all of a sudden you've got

1457
00:50:58,369 --> 00:50:59,110
this tool

1458
00:50:59,489 --> 00:51:01,030
that opens up an entire,

1459
00:51:02,289 --> 00:51:02,789
galaxy,

1460
00:51:03,090 --> 00:51:03,590
universe

1461
00:51:04,255 --> 00:51:06,255
that that we didn't realize was right there

1462
00:51:06,255 --> 00:51:07,074
around us.

1463
00:51:07,534 --> 00:51:08,034
And

1464
00:51:08,414 --> 00:51:10,894
and and science was saying, no. There's nothing

1465
00:51:10,894 --> 00:51:13,614
there. And then you see Until they Until

1466
00:51:13,614 --> 00:51:15,474
you could see it. It's provide the evidence.

1467
00:51:15,534 --> 00:51:17,375
Right. And and then they're all over it.

1468
00:51:17,375 --> 00:51:19,295
And that's great. That's what science does. But

1469
00:51:19,295 --> 00:51:20,829
it's but it's one of those kinds of

1470
00:51:20,829 --> 00:51:22,849
things where you cannot necessarily

1471
00:51:23,230 --> 00:51:23,730
just

1472
00:51:24,109 --> 00:51:26,190
say, well, that's just superstition. Yeah. It Or

1473
00:51:26,190 --> 00:51:28,429
something along those lines. Because it might might

1474
00:51:28,429 --> 00:51:29,789
not be. And if you but if you

1475
00:51:29,789 --> 00:51:31,949
do the argument in reverse, it becomes difficult

1476
00:51:31,949 --> 00:51:34,964
because because what happened was everybody there before

1477
00:51:34,964 --> 00:51:37,525
the microscope was invented Yes. Could not see

1478
00:51:37,525 --> 00:51:40,244
this other world. No. Therefore, you couldn't make

1479
00:51:40,244 --> 00:51:42,005
a case for its existence which is why

1480
00:51:42,005 --> 00:51:44,164
Pasteur had such a hard problem with that.

1481
00:51:44,164 --> 00:51:46,724
Right. He thought that it was microscopic germs

1482
00:51:46,724 --> 00:51:48,730
that were causing the illnesses Yes. But he

1483
00:51:48,730 --> 00:51:50,250
couldn't prove it. So people said if you

1484
00:51:50,250 --> 00:51:51,930
can't if I can't see it, if I

1485
00:51:51,930 --> 00:51:54,969
don't have the evidence Right. Then I then

1486
00:51:54,969 --> 00:51:56,590
you're asking me to believe something

1487
00:51:57,050 --> 00:51:59,610
I cannot see, therefore I can't do that.

1488
00:51:59,610 --> 00:52:02,065
Except when people want to. Except when it's

1489
00:52:02,065 --> 00:52:03,344
a good thing for them. No. Right. If

1490
00:52:03,344 --> 00:52:04,085
it's penicillin,

1491
00:52:04,545 --> 00:52:06,224
that's a no, that's a good thing. No.

1492
00:52:06,224 --> 00:52:08,304
But then they'll believe in, you know, all

1493
00:52:08,304 --> 00:52:11,184
sorts of amazing fabulous stories Right. That that

1494
00:52:11,184 --> 00:52:14,400
have absolutely no basis whatsoever Right. But that

1495
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:14,900
are

1496
00:52:15,199 --> 00:52:16,659
given by authority.

1497
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,599
And then the response to that is even

1498
00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:21,920
though I can't be proven, I believe it

1499
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,719
anyway. Well, yes. And and look It works

1500
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:26,400
in both directions. But I'll give you another

1501
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,099
area too, another part another

1502
00:52:28,494 --> 00:52:30,574
aspect of that and and then I I

1503
00:52:30,574 --> 00:52:32,275
have a fortune to tell here.

1504
00:52:32,894 --> 00:52:34,355
But and that would be

1505
00:52:34,655 --> 00:52:36,335
in when you start talking about,

1506
00:52:37,054 --> 00:52:39,775
UFOs and creatures from another world or outer

1507
00:52:39,775 --> 00:52:41,775
space or and in the United States, there's

1508
00:52:41,775 --> 00:52:43,554
an area a place called Area 51,

1509
00:52:44,199 --> 00:52:45,739
which is supposedly hiding,

1510
00:52:46,519 --> 00:52:49,340
people from other or creatures from other other

1511
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,880
galaxies, other planets who have come to Earth

1512
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,119
and they've been captured or crashed there or

1513
00:52:54,119 --> 00:52:56,199
whatever. And and they have there, and that

1514
00:52:56,199 --> 00:52:58,065
is to this day. Now the funny thing

1515
00:52:58,065 --> 00:52:59,824
about that It's called New York City. The

1516
00:52:59,824 --> 00:53:02,464
authority. It's where everything in the world is.

1517
00:53:02,464 --> 00:53:04,625
Well, yes. True. That's it. Or that. That's

1518
00:53:04,625 --> 00:53:07,344
Area 51. That's Area 51. But the funny

1519
00:53:07,344 --> 00:53:09,505
thing about that is that people keep responding

1520
00:53:09,505 --> 00:53:10,625
to that, and it grows and grows and

1521
00:53:10,625 --> 00:53:12,164
grows and grows in power.

1522
00:53:12,510 --> 00:53:14,690
To this day, the Internet is talking about

1523
00:53:14,989 --> 00:53:17,309
getting millions of people and rushing the place

1524
00:53:17,309 --> 00:53:19,550
now. Currently, at the time we were recording

1525
00:53:19,550 --> 00:53:22,269
this, they're talking about doing that. And and

1526
00:53:22,269 --> 00:53:24,909
and they're saying, oh, you know, that that

1527
00:53:24,909 --> 00:53:26,269
you can't do that, but if you do,

1528
00:53:26,269 --> 00:53:29,155
we'll probably kill you. So there's the authority

1529
00:53:29,155 --> 00:53:31,875
figures kind of verifying things in a negative

1530
00:53:31,875 --> 00:53:32,375
way.

1531
00:53:32,755 --> 00:53:34,914
And and as opposed to the going, this

1532
00:53:34,914 --> 00:53:37,635
you must believe, they're going, no. No. You

1533
00:53:37,635 --> 00:53:40,275
shouldn't believe. And the belief is so strong

1534
00:53:40,275 --> 00:53:42,210
or wants to be so strong that it

1535
00:53:42,210 --> 00:53:43,650
actually takes it and runs it and makes

1536
00:53:43,650 --> 00:53:45,489
it even bigger. Yeah. It is. I I'm

1537
00:53:45,489 --> 00:53:45,989
fascinated

1538
00:53:46,369 --> 00:53:48,609
I'm fascinated with the fact that people will

1539
00:53:48,609 --> 00:53:49,670
choose to believe

1540
00:53:49,969 --> 00:53:52,309
something that they have no evidence for

1541
00:53:52,769 --> 00:53:54,630
and then disbelieve things

1542
00:53:55,094 --> 00:53:57,815
that there is plenty of evidence for. Right.

1543
00:53:57,815 --> 00:53:59,514
Which only goes to show

1544
00:53:59,974 --> 00:54:02,315
that the choice that's being made

1545
00:54:02,614 --> 00:54:05,815
of what you actually wanna believe in is

1546
00:54:05,815 --> 00:54:06,715
based on

1547
00:54:07,655 --> 00:54:08,554
not fact

1548
00:54:14,099 --> 00:54:14,920
and not belief, but rather

1549
00:54:15,539 --> 00:54:16,440
on fear

1550
00:54:16,980 --> 00:54:17,800
and desire.

1551
00:54:18,099 --> 00:54:19,000
And selfishness.

1552
00:54:19,380 --> 00:54:20,980
Well, fear and desire as you know. Which

1553
00:54:20,980 --> 00:54:22,614
come out of that. That's that's right. Right.

1554
00:54:22,614 --> 00:54:25,015
That's right. Absolutely. Which can be reinforced by

1555
00:54:25,015 --> 00:54:25,675
the authorities.

1556
00:54:26,375 --> 00:54:26,875
Absolutely.

1557
00:54:27,175 --> 00:54:29,255
Or denied, which makes our interest peaked even

1558
00:54:29,255 --> 00:54:29,755
more.

1559
00:54:30,055 --> 00:54:30,555
The

1560
00:54:31,414 --> 00:54:34,055
thing I'm going to now predict for us

1561
00:54:34,055 --> 00:54:35,639
here, going into the television. The

1562
00:54:36,199 --> 00:54:38,199
the the future that you're looking into? Yes.

1563
00:54:38,199 --> 00:54:39,639
The crystal ball? That's right. Yeah. That's the

1564
00:54:39,639 --> 00:54:41,980
other thing. A crystal ball. Yeah.

1565
00:54:42,679 --> 00:54:44,679
They're kinda cool looking. That may just simply

1566
00:54:44,679 --> 00:54:46,760
be what that is about. Crystal and and

1567
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,434
who had control the magical forces because I

1568
00:54:49,434 --> 00:54:51,514
couldn't do with a crystal ball what the

1569
00:54:51,514 --> 00:54:53,034
fortune teller does with the crystal ball. You

1570
00:54:53,034 --> 00:54:54,875
know where we're going here? The the orbs

1571
00:54:54,875 --> 00:54:57,914
come become very big players in in different

1572
00:54:57,914 --> 00:55:00,074
parts of the world too. The orbs. Yeah.

1573
00:55:00,074 --> 00:55:01,514
But I'm going to see into the future

1574
00:55:01,514 --> 00:55:03,699
right now. What is your future? The future

1575
00:55:03,699 --> 00:55:06,180
is that that that we're done with this

1576
00:55:06,180 --> 00:55:07,160
podcast today.

1577
00:55:07,780 --> 00:55:08,680
So yeah.

1578
00:55:10,579 --> 00:55:11,079
Oh.

1579
00:55:11,380 --> 00:55:13,079
Do you believe in magic?

1580
00:55:14,099 --> 00:55:15,640
Oh, here we go again. Ding.

1581
00:55:16,500 --> 00:55:17,719
Licensing? Yes.

1582
00:55:18,394 --> 00:55:20,234
I know I told them already, but okay.

1583
00:55:20,234 --> 00:55:20,734
Alright.

1584
00:55:21,114 --> 00:55:21,614
Toren,

1585
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we I'm going to say thank you for

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for your efforts today and your rabbit's foot,

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and I hope you have good luck throughout

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the day. Well, thank you very much. You're

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welcome. To you as well. And and and

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let me spit on the ground three times,

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to get rid of any kind of horror

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you might be walking around. Also, knocking on

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wood while we do it. Are you knocking

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on wood? Yeah. I'm knocking on wood here.

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So so anyway, that's that's that's magic for

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today. And magically, I am correct with my

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prediction.

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And and this is the end of, this

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particular podcast. And I'm Tom Peterson. And I'm

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Dean Foster. And you know what, everyone?

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