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The United States, it's it's time for a

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celebration, and,

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and and it's always time for a celebration.

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You mean, like, now at this moment? Well,

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at this time of the year, this this

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podcast is coming out around Thanksgiving in the

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United States, which is

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is,

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the 4th Thursday

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in November Yes. Giving thanks. It's not an

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uncommon thing in many cultures. Am I right

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with that, Dean? I I think so because,

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you know, it it is a cultural thing

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to to do that, yes, in many places.

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Right? Okay. And I know Canada has theirs,

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a little earlier date in the year. And,

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so,

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happy Thanksgiving to our Canadian,

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listeners.

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And,

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nevertheless,

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we are gonna be talking about something that

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you might think has nothing to do with

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that, except one of the traditions in the

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United States, anyway,

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at Thanksgiving, is to eat enormous amounts of

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food.

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Even if you don't And how is that

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different from any other day or day? I'm

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already doing that right now. Not everybody does

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that. I mean, yeah, I get that. But

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but not everybody does that, but they they

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somehow do. And I think if you don't

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do it regularly and you do it on

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Thanksgiving,

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you're not gonna feel so well at some

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point during that day. I should point out

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in our I'm just thinking this in our

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August episode. Remember we talked about the man

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was it Frankfurt Dean eating a bowl of

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whipped cream, Schlage?

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That I saw. Yes. In Frankfurt. Right? Frankfurt.

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Yes. So we had that in mind. And

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so, actually, before we started taping this podcast,

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we had a bowl of whipped cream and

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some strawberries.

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dipped them in the shlagan. It was very

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good. And I tried to not eat too

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much, but it's so hard. Oh, it's so

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good. It was so good. It's a remarkable,

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wonderful combination. Yes. But he ate good. A

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fairly large bowl

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Of schlager. No strawberries. Nothing else. He was

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schlogging his way through it. That's it. I

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mean, hey. It's good stuff. How did he

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eat it? Did he have a spoon? Spoon.

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Okay. Schlogg spoon. I could I could just

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stick my face right in there. Your basic

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schlogg spoon? Yeah. It's a certain kind. And

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I agree. I could stick my face in

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there too. Yeah. Yeah. Again, I almost did

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here, but I tried to Yeah. You try

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to keep it a little bit. Was again,

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a past episode. Just enough. Absolutely. Not too

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much. Not too little. There you go. Just

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right. Yeah. And so far, no one is

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sick. So So far, we haven't already eaten.

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However, we need to go the hospital. Our

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money is on you, Dean,

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for reasons you're gonna make clear as we

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go through this episode.

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So we're gonna be talking about

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being sick in other cultures

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We are. Because of overeating?

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in other cultures regardless. Or maybe undereating or

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or It could well be. Regardless. What happened

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to you? The kind of thing that's eating?

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let me let me pause for a moment

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to just say that there we're going to

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be checking out the fact that you're getting

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ill in other cultures because,

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oops,

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your culture's showing.

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Well, Dean Foster

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is here to be ill for us. I'm

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really sorry to say that I'm not feeling

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very ill at all today. I feel pretty

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good. Too. You know? I'm not sorry. I

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don't want him to be ill while in

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the room. Well, the podcast is young. Give

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it a chance. I'm only thinking

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I'm getting scared now. You know? I'm getting

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scared. We should be sitting farther apart, I

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think. Oh, yes. Well, usually should be. I

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may go in the other room. Yeah. I

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think I will. I've got outside.

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I've been very fortunate, actually, given the fact

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that I travel so much

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not to really have gotten ill

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too many times. But if you, you know,

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you you spend a lot of time elsewhere,

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you're gonna get sick somewhere else. Yeah. Sooner

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or later. Sure. It's just a it's a

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numbers game. Yeah. Right? Yeah. So So, yes,

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I I guess I've had my share, but

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nothing nothing spectacular,

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you know, to be able to That's good.

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I'm still here. Yeah. You're still here. Let's

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let's kill the

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Don't say kill.

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Who are you killing?

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Well, okay. Let's just, like, completely

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drain the

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the the podcast of energy by saying nothing

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spectacular.

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But that is If I were you, I'd

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turn it off right now. Really? Well, no.

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In the moment. This is the wrong podcast.

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moment,

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it is spectacular. Oh, yeah. Right? Because you

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don't know what's going on, and it's a

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medical emergency.

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disturbing. Yeah. Yeah. Like the time that I

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woke up in Shanghai. Yes. I'm in my

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hotel room, and I didn't expect to wake

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up with any problem. Mhmm. And I woke

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up, and I realized that I could not

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hear anything. What?

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Could not hear a thing. Oh, okay.

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Until I removed the pillow from one side

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of the thing. And then it removed. Okay.

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And and, however Wow. That covers your hair.

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you only had one ear? That's what I

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don't understand.

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travel. Yeah. Alright. You you gotta You travel.

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Sometimes the air falls off. You know? It's

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that Van Gogh syndrome, I believe. Oh, the

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the Versus. Yes.

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think penicillin might take care of that, but

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we'll see. You never know. You know, when

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you travel, give it one of the things

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be ready for the fact that you may

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wake up and suddenly you can't hear out

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of one ear. Yeah. There you go. Yep.

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suddenly you can't hear out of one ear.

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did that And the lesson the lesson is

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he's not here.

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The lesson is don't panic. Is that what

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the hell I was doing? Heed that

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advice, or did you did you panic?

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No. I tried to I tried to heed

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it. Tried to say, but it's not gonna

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be this is Can we blame you and

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point fingers at you in this with this

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pause? I'm already I'm always pointing at it.

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it's I thought you were doing, like, the

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Uncle Sam poster or something. I want you.

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Do need to take responsibility for our condition

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ultimately.

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Okay. So, yes, I mean Speaking of taking

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responsibility session all of a sudden. Since I

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introduced you and you totally neglected to introduce

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me, I will pass it off to the

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fact that you're hearing, maybe. I think you

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introduced yourself already, didn't you? I did not.

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think you did too. I introduced this guy.

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him. I did introduce him. Did you introduce

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me? No. Uh-huh. No. Neither of us. Yeah.

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I didn't hear it. I didn't. Well, the

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I I was I'm here I'm here today

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with with my co host, Tom Peterson.

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go. Now we're now we're right. Yes. Peterson.

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And our producer, Torren. Hello. And we're all

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always just said that we already said it.

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I think we all need to go go

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to the hospital. I think there's I think

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there's, you know, factors hanging on. There might

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be some medical issues that seem to be

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done with the brain. Ever since that day

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in Shanghai.

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Yeah. Ever since that Do you have a

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brain eating worm inside your head? Anything? Unfortunately,

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nothing like that. Are you running higher office?

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States. Yeah. That's the election already happening. No.

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No. No. I know I don't have a

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brain eating weight worm because because I am

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thinking about running for office, and they said,

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you're disqualified. You don't have a brain eating

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worm.

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Certainly not as an independent candidate. There you

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go. A reference point for those of you

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around the world. You all know much more

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than we do at this point. Yes. You

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do. Happen. Yeah. Yeah. It's election. But anyway,

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Shanghai. Yeah. So I, you know, I had

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to resolve this. I had to figure out

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what was going on. Yep. And I was

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in the hotel, so

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I said, I need a doctor. And they

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said, no. You don't.

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We can't send you a doctor. There's no

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hotel doctor. Uh-huh. But there's a hospital, and

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they pointed me to the way to go.

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that when I get to the hospital,

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look for the sign that said

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foreigners.

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all throughout the world. Mhmm. Right? Because for,

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I guess, for any number of reasons, including

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cultural reasons Mhmm. But also political reasons and

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health health issues and and economic reasons. Mhmm.

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Who takes responsibility

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for the costs associated when foreigners get sick,

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etcetera?

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some degree. Sure. And every country's got its

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policies around this. Mhmm. In China,

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I had the distinct feeling that part of

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the reason it was being controlled

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was cultural

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in that they did not want the foreigner

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to experience

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what locals might experience

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when they go for treatment

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at the hospital. No looking behind the curtain,

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so to speak. Exactly. Mhmm. Precisely.

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Also, issue something as practical as as language.

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in a local situation? Exactly.

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for the or or other languages as well.

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was my panic moment when I had to

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get myself from the hotel to this hospital

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that I knew nothing about. Right.

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But as is the case Now did you

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did you have assistance, or did you just

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were you able to hear what they were

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telling you when you were talking about the

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enough. I turned my head and gave them

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the good ear. To that side. Yeah. Sure.

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Yep. Yep. The not bad one. The one

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that simply

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stopped working. Uh-huh. I mean, there was just

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nothing. Nothing like that ever happened to you

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before? No. Yeah. Okay. We've all had earrings.

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Ringing ear, but not just earring. Or some

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of us, you know, may have experienced, like,

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ear wax buildup. Right. Right. Right. Go in

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there and they, you know, suck it out

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and then then you're fine. Yeah. This was

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different. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So I was

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a little panicked. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. But I

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got myself to the Appropriately so. To the

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hospital. And this is in, post Budong

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Shanghai. This is quote unquote modern Shanghai now,

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which is, you know, what you see in

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the postcards, and when you go online, you

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see this the sparkling skyscrapers and the and

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and it looks like, you know, a big

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modern world city. Shanghai being a coastal city

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Mhmm. That is it's it's a it's a

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tourist area. Yes.

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Business area. Business.

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Business area. Right. Okay. Right. Yeah. Okay. Anyway,

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I just thought I'd throw that It's on

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the river right near the coast. Right near

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the coast. Okay. Yes. But access coming in

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and out of there quite a bit. Right?

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Into in and out of Shanghai. Absolutely. Off

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of the ocean and off of, the river.

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Right. So,

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the

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the city side,

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was always the built up side,

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and and across the river was this

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basically farmland Mhmm. Called Pudong. Okay. And in

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the course of the transformation that's gone on

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there over the last 30 years or so,

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Pudong is now what you see when you

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look at the pictures of the images of

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the big skyscrapers and the colored lights and

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all that. Because this is now transformed.

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Totally transformed. Yes. Which the Chinese have been

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doing an amazing amount of That over the

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last 30 years. Right. Right.

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So so I'm on so I say post

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Pudong, you know, modern Shanghai. Sure. And, so

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I get myself over to the hospital, and

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it looks

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looks fine, you know, from my my civilian

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assessment, nonmedical assessment.

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And and I go in and I find

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myself walking down these corridors which

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I'm looking for the

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foreigners sign. They said that it's gonna be

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a sign for foreigners. Couldn't see it. Couldn't

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find it.

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Asked for some help. Got some English speaking

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people. They turned me around.

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Mhmm. And I remember distinctly getting the feeling

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that they needed to turn me around and

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not allow me to go any further than

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the other people. Going because that was suspect.

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Yeah. And very quickly, I mean, they saw

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the Westerner. They they assessed my needs. Yes.

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And

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they directed me

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to the entrance that I went in on,

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but I made a left instead of a

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right.

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Okay. That was my error. So I go

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back to where I started from. I make

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the right Mhmm. And I'm in

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I'm in Chicago.

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Really?

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I'm in Chicago.

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I mean, everyone's speaking English. Yeah. There's no

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waiting.

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None. And, of course, on the other side

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of that corridor

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are just

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People lined up.

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Tens, 100

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of people. Okay. Yeah. Right? Mhmm. And here,

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I'm me and 5 others, 3 others, whatever.

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Yeah. All Westerners. Okay. Yeah. Uh-huh. Right. Taken

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in by an English speaking

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doctor,

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introduced me as it is British, I believe.

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Mhmm.

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Took care of me Mhmm. Assessed what was

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going on. Are we going to get an

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insight into what was going on? Or I

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can't I can't disclose that. Okay. Because medical

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privacy

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issues. Sure. Sure. It makes perfect sense. Also,

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I had to sign a form in China

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which indicated that Did you? You could no

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longer say longer say only on podcasts you're

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restricted from saying any anything else. Right. That's

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right. Sure. Yes. But, but

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Makes perfect sense. Uh-huh. I guess one of

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the the morals of the story here is

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that, on one hand,

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if you're in a big world city anywhere,

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you're going to receive a very high level

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of medical care, particularly

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because you're a foreigner.

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Sure.

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Probably

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more so than you would receive at home

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in the case. Very likely. Very likely. Yeah.

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Well yeah. Because it does go to the

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point of and I have no idea what

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happens to foreigners in this country when they

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go. I think they get thrown into the

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mix,

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and I'm sure that's very frightening here

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because our you know, in the United States,

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I'm talking about.

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Because it is it is a,

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I mean, don't wanna you know, it's it's

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not like let's kick the medical system here,

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but but it's it's just I I can't

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see. I don't know this. I have no

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idea. Right. What what would happen if a

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person from China,

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had a problem and couldn't speak English and

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came into a hospital here? I have no

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idea what the Well, do we do our

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hospitals have signs that indicate I have never

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seen not that's right. So do you answer

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that? Fair, I don't spend a lot of

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time in emergencies. Right. I don't either. So

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But there's your but there's your answer. I

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think you I think here That's what I'm

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saying. Because the US is so heterogeneous Yes.

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Right. Right? Right. You get thrown in among

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the others. And and there's something about that,

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you know, which is kind of encouraging in

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a way Mhmm. That we're all getting either

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You're getting to see behind the curtain as

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much as anybody does.

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And and we're all getting the same level

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of care more or less?

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Well,

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yeah. How much it's still stratified quite a

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bit. How much money have you got? No.

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Exactly.

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Yeah. The great middle has been shrinking dramatically.

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But it's not stratified in that specific way,

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which is interesting. And it seems to me

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that there would have to be a large

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investment of resources to do something like what

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you're describing. To distinguish that. Yeah. Yeah. Right.

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Whole is actually just for the foreigner. Yes.

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Being the British doctor, that's really interesting. Yeah.

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Now now, curiously But was the was the

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gentleman was he British? Or I mean,

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and he might have been of of of

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Chinese background.

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A gentleman who He was British. He was

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a western man. He was brought in. Or

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something like that. Yeah. And this is his

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this was his work. And and in fact,

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I remember the conversation I had with him

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where he indicated he he's been there. He

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was there for 20, 30 years. Fine. Okay.

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Because we were talking about how Pudong has

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changed, how Shanghai is Mhmm. Metamorphosized

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into this, you know, international world city. Mhmm.

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And

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no. He's he was there through the changes.

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Okay. Right. Okay. Then that this is where

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he lived. You know? Yeah. I I think

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that's very interesting. Fascinating. Yeah.

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It's it's a

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okay. So so that being said, what would

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you say And he only treated foreigners, by

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the way. Right. Right. Sure. Right. Yeah. That

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was that was his job. So his but

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but all of that being what it is,

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and it's like you're saying, Toren, the the

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the investment

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that the obvious

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feelings of need Mhmm. To do this Mhmm.

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In in China Mhmm. Is a is kind

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of interesting. And Well, to to that point,

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yes. I mean, there is this distinction and

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always has been in Asia of

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Asian culture and western culture.

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Sure. And But also keeping foreigners out

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or at arm's length or in some form

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of control. Being more insulated. Yes. And but

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also, I think and we don't need to

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go too deep into this because I don't

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know that any of us can really speak

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to this, but it's a the but the

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medicine itself,

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the way to treat things Ah, yeah. And

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Of course. The whole tradition of Chinese medical

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care and Chinese medicine. Sure. So someone coming

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in who's from the area

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who might come in looking for something might

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be very happy to hear about a certain

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level of acupuncture for whatever it is. Whereas

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a person here might be suspect of that.

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Could be. Or they might be very on

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board with it. Right. But but nevertheless,

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it's so a foreigner coming in much is

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more likely not to be looking for those

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types of things. So I can see that

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in a very in almost a medical way

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to do it. But we're not really here

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to talk about medical ways. No. We're here

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to talk about the cultural things behind those

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decisions. Mhmm. So just kind of throwing it

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out there. What do you think in this

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particular instance? What do you think is for

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China? What is the a driving cultural force

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that would say, you go over there, we'll

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go over here? No. I I I think,

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you know, I alluded to it just a

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moment ago. There is I'm sorry. I couldn't

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hear you. Then

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What? Not out of that ear anyway. Were

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you? The there is a cultural element of

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organizing people according to class, according to cast,

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according to ethnicity, according to

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in inside

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as opposed to outside, according to same and

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according to different. And this

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is a very old tradition in China and

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a lot

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of Asian cultures. And many places around the

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world. Yeah, many places around the world. Okay,

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and so it's very hierarchical and these things,

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distinguishing

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people as to being,

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whether or not they can receive certain kinds

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of societal benefits

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is something

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that all societies have to make these decisions

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about. Mhmm. But in China and in many

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Asian cultures, it's been about, okay, where are

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you in the social class? Right. And and

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you're either in or you're out. Right. And

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and ethnicity has been one of the one

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of the, criteria. And again, we do that

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here in the US, but that's We do.

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Of course. When it's foreigners, not foreigners. Right?

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Right. But but in but in a more

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egalitarian culture like like the US, let's say,

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if we do that,

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it's almost like we need to justify it.

525
00:18:35,769 --> 00:18:38,730
Mhmm. Mhmm. Because we don't really believe that

526
00:18:39,450 --> 00:18:41,710
be hidden. Right? It needs to be we're

527
00:18:41,769 --> 00:18:43,450
doing this, but it's not maybe it's Or

528
00:18:43,450 --> 00:18:45,690
not promoted. It either has to be excused

529
00:18:45,690 --> 00:18:48,954
or explained because it's because there's an implied

530
00:18:49,335 --> 00:18:51,414
admission to the fact that we shouldn't be

531
00:18:51,414 --> 00:18:52,875
doing this. Right. Right.

532
00:18:53,414 --> 00:18:55,275
But in many other cultures,

533
00:18:55,734 --> 00:18:56,875
there is no implied

534
00:18:57,654 --> 00:19:00,054
assumption that we shouldn't be doing this. This

535
00:19:00,054 --> 00:19:02,349
is how we do it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

536
00:19:02,349 --> 00:19:05,789
Yes. Right. Okay. Interesting. Okay. And So you,

537
00:19:06,109 --> 00:19:07,409
never got your hearing back?

538
00:19:08,190 --> 00:19:08,690
What?

539
00:19:09,549 --> 00:19:11,950
I did. Okay. Good. I did. It was

540
00:19:11,950 --> 00:19:13,549
not a serious issue. I know. Good. Oh,

541
00:19:13,549 --> 00:19:15,309
okay. No. But it was more than just

542
00:19:15,309 --> 00:19:16,684
the the earwax

543
00:19:17,544 --> 00:19:18,444
thing. Mhmm. Okay.

544
00:19:24,265 --> 00:19:26,265
Now we did mention in there that this

545
00:19:26,265 --> 00:19:27,784
is something that is not,

546
00:19:28,664 --> 00:19:30,664
that that happens in many other areas around

547
00:19:30,664 --> 00:19:32,789
the world. So in other areas around the

548
00:19:32,789 --> 00:19:34,890
world, where did you get sick?

549
00:19:36,789 --> 00:19:38,869
Tell us of your other ailments. Yes. Ay

550
00:19:38,869 --> 00:19:41,429
ay ay. I'm now I'm gonna feel like

551
00:19:41,429 --> 00:19:43,929
everybody's thinking I'm sort of like this walking

552
00:19:44,765 --> 00:19:47,164
case. Uh-huh. Yes. But it wasn't anything like

553
00:19:47,164 --> 00:19:50,144
that at all. Oh, sure. Uh-huh. Okay. Okay.

554
00:19:50,204 --> 00:19:52,365
Yeah. You just you could believe that. Uh-huh.

555
00:19:52,365 --> 00:19:54,044
It's it's it's just So where around the

556
00:19:54,044 --> 00:19:55,345
world have you been sick?

557
00:19:57,085 --> 00:19:59,339
Or where have you not been sick? Right.

558
00:19:59,399 --> 00:20:01,639
Beyond beyond We'll speed up this. Yeah. Yeah.

559
00:20:01,639 --> 00:20:03,480
Beyond the usual, you know, oh, I got

560
00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,000
I got this bug, and now I've I've

561
00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,399
been in I Yeah. I've been in jail

562
00:20:07,399 --> 00:20:09,720
in my hotel room for 3 days. Yeah.

563
00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:10,220
Hopefully.

564
00:20:10,759 --> 00:20:13,159
Yeah. Yeah. I had terrible food poisoning in

565
00:20:13,159 --> 00:20:13,659
Egypt.

566
00:20:14,244 --> 00:20:16,005
Terrible. Not fun. I'd have to go out.

567
00:20:16,164 --> 00:20:18,644
Redundant because true. It is very redundant. Terrible

568
00:20:18,644 --> 00:20:20,884
food poisoning as opposed to good food poisoning.

569
00:20:20,884 --> 00:20:22,325
But it was pretty much a 24 hour

570
00:20:22,325 --> 00:20:25,365
thing of just It's miserable. Anyway Yeah. And

571
00:20:25,365 --> 00:20:27,044
the golden rule, of course, when that stuff

572
00:20:27,044 --> 00:20:28,804
happens is you don't talk about it. Yeah.

573
00:20:28,804 --> 00:20:30,650
Well, I just but very briefly. You know,

574
00:20:30,650 --> 00:20:32,210
you know, we'll see this. No one gets

575
00:20:32,210 --> 00:20:34,289
that on their US Thanksgiving. I know nothing

576
00:20:34,289 --> 00:20:36,289
of this firsthand. I'm just going to pass

577
00:20:36,289 --> 00:20:38,769
this along, but but Don't pass anything. Yeah.

578
00:20:38,769 --> 00:20:40,329
No. We don't pass anything here. I'm going

579
00:20:40,329 --> 00:20:41,569
to the other room. Poor choice of words.

580
00:20:41,569 --> 00:20:42,069
Yeah.

581
00:20:42,529 --> 00:20:43,190
Bad wordplay.

582
00:20:43,730 --> 00:20:44,470
Bad wordplay.

583
00:20:46,794 --> 00:20:47,294
When

584
00:20:47,755 --> 00:20:49,755
I I but I I do understand that

585
00:20:49,755 --> 00:20:52,634
there is that that like in Egypt, the,

586
00:20:53,274 --> 00:20:54,015
the health

587
00:20:54,394 --> 00:20:56,794
care on some levels again, I think this

588
00:20:56,794 --> 00:20:58,919
is going to be to some degree, especially

589
00:20:58,919 --> 00:21:00,679
for western people who wanna come in and

590
00:21:00,679 --> 00:21:02,599
and make use of it, it can be

591
00:21:02,599 --> 00:21:03,099
extraordinarily

592
00:21:03,559 --> 00:21:04,059
good

593
00:21:04,519 --> 00:21:07,559
and, in those areas. But, and that is

594
00:21:07,559 --> 00:21:10,379
a marketplace for them, and especially with westerners.

595
00:21:10,519 --> 00:21:11,740
Well, medical tourism.

596
00:21:12,265 --> 00:21:14,585
Medical tourism, you know, you you can get

597
00:21:14,744 --> 00:21:16,265
I think Egypt is one of those places

598
00:21:16,265 --> 00:21:17,704
taking advantage of that. I did get some

599
00:21:17,704 --> 00:21:20,025
high quality dental work in Jordan. Yeah. Oh,

600
00:21:20,025 --> 00:21:22,845
there you go. I'm not surprised. Yeah. Absolutely.

601
00:21:23,065 --> 00:21:24,825
Again, I think it's dependent on how much

602
00:21:24,825 --> 00:21:26,910
money you're able to spend. If you present

603
00:21:26,910 --> 00:21:29,309
as the privileged westerner Right. And to be

604
00:21:29,309 --> 00:21:29,680
a privilege

605
00:21:30,259 --> 00:21:33,390
into the sis into into the society Mhmm.

606
00:21:33,789 --> 00:21:35,549
Yeah, you're gonna be you're gonna get the

607
00:21:35,549 --> 00:21:37,869
best possible medical care the best medical care,

608
00:21:37,869 --> 00:21:39,869
and it's going to be the best medical

609
00:21:39,869 --> 00:21:42,115
care. Yeah. And I think that's the experience

610
00:21:42,174 --> 00:21:42,994
that most

611
00:21:43,694 --> 00:21:46,755
travelers from abroad have when they go somewhere.

612
00:21:47,054 --> 00:21:47,954
Yeah. Now

613
00:21:48,414 --> 00:21:51,054
if you're out in the the wilds of

614
00:21:51,054 --> 00:21:53,534
a desert or in the in in the

615
00:21:53,534 --> 00:21:54,674
center of the rainforest,

616
00:21:55,420 --> 00:21:57,980
That's a completely different story. Right? Was that

617
00:21:57,980 --> 00:21:59,180
ever the case for you, or you were

618
00:21:59,180 --> 00:22:01,339
out somewhere more remote and got ill?

619
00:22:02,059 --> 00:22:02,880
In the Amazon.

620
00:22:03,259 --> 00:22:06,539
Oh, yes. Okay. In in fact, there was

621
00:22:06,539 --> 00:22:07,119
a condition.

622
00:22:07,484 --> 00:22:09,404
So we're out on on one of the

623
00:22:09,404 --> 00:22:09,904
tributaries,

624
00:22:10,605 --> 00:22:11,984
and I and I was

625
00:22:13,325 --> 00:22:14,865
we were touring through,

626
00:22:15,404 --> 00:22:16,785
the reason known as Amazonas,

627
00:22:17,724 --> 00:22:18,224
and,

628
00:22:18,765 --> 00:22:21,085
got on a little dugout canoe at one

629
00:22:21,085 --> 00:22:23,829
point because we went from a fairly larger

630
00:22:23,829 --> 00:22:26,230
boat to a slightly smaller boat to then

631
00:22:26,230 --> 00:22:27,910
a dugout canoe because it was the only

632
00:22:27,910 --> 00:22:30,150
way to get through the mangroves and the

633
00:22:30,150 --> 00:22:32,809
growth Sure. Wow. Going it was

634
00:22:33,269 --> 00:22:34,890
it was becoming very

635
00:22:35,910 --> 00:22:36,410
Amazonia.

636
00:22:36,869 --> 00:22:37,664
Yeah. Yeah.

637
00:22:38,144 --> 00:22:38,644
And,

638
00:22:40,545 --> 00:22:42,805
as we're going through at one point,

639
00:22:43,265 --> 00:22:45,365
we're getting past this enormous,

640
00:22:48,384 --> 00:22:50,130
the only way to describe it is just

641
00:22:50,369 --> 00:22:51,589
thicket of butterflies.

642
00:22:52,130 --> 00:22:54,289
Oh, wow. And we emerge on the other

643
00:22:54,289 --> 00:22:57,009
side of the butterflies onto this lake Uh-huh.

644
00:22:57,170 --> 00:22:58,069
And the

645
00:22:58,369 --> 00:23:00,150
the lake becomes very silvery.

646
00:23:01,009 --> 00:23:04,034
The water surface looked straight silvery. It wasn't

647
00:23:04,034 --> 00:23:06,294
very light because you're in this rainforest canopy.

648
00:23:06,355 --> 00:23:09,554
Mhmm. But there's light coming through Mhmm. And

649
00:23:09,554 --> 00:23:12,034
the water's getting silvery, and I'm starting to

650
00:23:12,034 --> 00:23:13,335
feel really sick.

651
00:23:14,434 --> 00:23:16,994
As if something's coming over me. Mhmm. Uh-huh.

652
00:23:16,994 --> 00:23:18,700
Like, I oh, I must have caught a

653
00:23:18,700 --> 00:23:20,460
bug a few days ago, and now it's

654
00:23:20,460 --> 00:23:23,259
manifesting. Sure. Right? And too bad I'm happened

655
00:23:23,259 --> 00:23:24,779
to be out on the river when it

656
00:23:24,779 --> 00:23:25,839
happens. Yeah.

657
00:23:26,700 --> 00:23:27,200
But

658
00:23:28,140 --> 00:23:30,539
but I, in that moment, couldn't manage the

659
00:23:30,539 --> 00:23:32,079
difference. And within

660
00:23:32,859 --> 00:23:35,474
minutes, I was flat on my back in

661
00:23:35,474 --> 00:23:36,774
this dugout canoe.

662
00:23:38,274 --> 00:23:40,774
I couldn't move. I feeling

663
00:23:41,075 --> 00:23:43,575
extremely sick, but not just digestively.

664
00:23:44,194 --> 00:23:46,534
I just completely out of sorts

665
00:23:47,180 --> 00:23:48,799
and falling A fever?

666
00:23:50,059 --> 00:23:52,460
Mhmm. Slightly feverish Okay. And a falling asleep.

667
00:23:52,460 --> 00:23:53,680
I could not stay awake.

668
00:23:55,180 --> 00:23:56,799
You could not stay awake. Wow.

669
00:23:57,420 --> 00:23:57,920
Okay.

670
00:23:58,460 --> 00:24:00,319
Completely listless. Wow.

671
00:24:01,099 --> 00:24:02,160
Very, very weak.

672
00:24:02,744 --> 00:24:04,125
So they got me back.

673
00:24:04,664 --> 00:24:06,825
They they said Did they have any idea

674
00:24:06,825 --> 00:24:08,105
what was going on with you? Well, I

675
00:24:08,105 --> 00:24:11,144
found out later. Yes, they did. Okay. I'm

676
00:24:11,144 --> 00:24:14,924
common. I they turned the canoe around. Uh-huh.

677
00:24:14,984 --> 00:24:17,599
They were taking me back to base, which

678
00:24:17,599 --> 00:24:19,440
wasn't gonna help very much because we're in

679
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:20,899
the middle of Right. Amazon

680
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,000
at a kind of like an eco base

681
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,679
Mhmm. Eco lodge places where we were staying.

682
00:24:25,679 --> 00:24:26,179
Mhmm.

683
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:28,960
You know, was it the mosquito that bit

684
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,039
me the night before? Right. Was it a

685
00:24:31,039 --> 00:24:32,234
bug that I picked up?

686
00:24:34,154 --> 00:24:35,775
No. It was none of that,

687
00:24:36,394 --> 00:24:38,575
and 24 hours later,

688
00:24:39,035 --> 00:24:41,595
I was fine. Okay. And they said I

689
00:24:41,595 --> 00:24:43,994
would be fine. Okay. Okay. Now they wanted

690
00:24:43,994 --> 00:24:46,255
to be sure that their their

691
00:24:46,859 --> 00:24:49,099
analysis of the disease was the correct The

692
00:24:49,099 --> 00:24:51,579
prognosis is correct. But but they had seen

693
00:24:51,579 --> 00:24:52,319
this enough

694
00:24:52,859 --> 00:24:55,140
before to know what was going on. Sure.

695
00:24:55,339 --> 00:24:58,000
Likely. Yeah. And they called it river sickness.

696
00:24:58,460 --> 00:25:01,839
Okay. Okay. And that it happened not uncommon.

697
00:25:03,005 --> 00:25:05,505
It is not the result of an infection

698
00:25:05,565 --> 00:25:08,304
or a bite or any kind of parasite

699
00:25:08,605 --> 00:25:09,105
or,

700
00:25:09,884 --> 00:25:11,424
or virus or bacteria.

701
00:25:12,845 --> 00:25:15,484
They're not quite sure with how it happens

702
00:25:15,484 --> 00:25:16,710
or where it comes from,

703
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:18,329
but it overtakes

704
00:25:18,789 --> 00:25:21,589
the person. It's a combination of heat. It

705
00:25:21,589 --> 00:25:22,569
could be humidity.

706
00:25:22,950 --> 00:25:24,789
It has to do with the light as

707
00:25:24,789 --> 00:25:26,970
it plays on the water. Yeah. Yeah.

708
00:25:27,269 --> 00:25:29,305
Oh. People do not get it. It will

709
00:25:29,305 --> 00:25:31,305
trigger it. Unless you're on the water. I

710
00:25:31,305 --> 00:25:33,224
was gonna say the silvery thing that you

711
00:25:33,224 --> 00:25:36,424
had mentioned. Right. I wondered if you saw

712
00:25:36,424 --> 00:25:38,445
that and others didn't see it

713
00:25:39,224 --> 00:25:41,144
or if and it was something that was

714
00:25:41,144 --> 00:25:42,605
triggering in your mind.

715
00:25:42,980 --> 00:25:44,660
Because a lot of this is interpretation by

716
00:25:44,660 --> 00:25:45,400
your brains.

717
00:25:45,779 --> 00:25:46,359
I mean,

718
00:25:46,740 --> 00:25:48,359
all of our senses are interpretations

719
00:25:48,660 --> 00:25:51,140
of your brain by your brain. So if

720
00:25:51,140 --> 00:25:53,059
it could be interpreting it and in your

721
00:25:53,059 --> 00:25:56,714
particular wiring for whatever reason, along with probably

722
00:25:56,714 --> 00:25:58,494
many others because they've seen it before,

723
00:25:59,194 --> 00:26:01,755
it it happens to trigger, like, it could

724
00:26:01,755 --> 00:26:04,554
flashing lights to some people. And they say

725
00:26:04,714 --> 00:26:06,634
and they call they call it river sickness.

726
00:26:06,634 --> 00:26:09,849
Uh-huh. And the symptoms were absolutely classic. Yeah.

727
00:26:09,849 --> 00:26:11,450
And they said, you'll step off the boat.

728
00:26:11,450 --> 00:26:13,529
You'll start to feel better. Mhmm. So I'm

729
00:26:13,529 --> 00:26:15,049
wondering if it isn't a little of the

730
00:26:15,049 --> 00:26:16,990
same thing that happens with Regular seasick. Regular

731
00:26:17,289 --> 00:26:19,309
seasick. Yeah. Yeah. I get. Equal equilibrium

732
00:26:19,609 --> 00:26:22,329
issues, except I I typically do not get

733
00:26:22,329 --> 00:26:25,054
seasick. Right. Okay. I'm pretty good on being

734
00:26:25,134 --> 00:26:27,054
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've been on you

735
00:26:27,054 --> 00:26:28,894
on on on boats that you could easily

736
00:26:28,894 --> 00:26:31,214
get seasick in. Right. Yeah. And and you

737
00:26:31,214 --> 00:26:33,134
never showed any real signs of that. Maybe

738
00:26:33,134 --> 00:26:34,829
this is more the refracting of the light

739
00:26:34,990 --> 00:26:37,069
of the water. That's what I'm suspecting. Yeah.

740
00:26:37,069 --> 00:26:39,829
Maybe a combination. Yeah. And we did get

741
00:26:39,950 --> 00:26:42,509
we did see the the doctor associated with

742
00:26:42,509 --> 00:26:43,169
the Ecolodge.

743
00:26:43,470 --> 00:26:45,470
Eventually, he was able to come and He's

744
00:26:45,470 --> 00:26:46,690
a PhD, but okay.

745
00:26:47,549 --> 00:26:48,049
And

746
00:26:49,194 --> 00:26:51,835
and within 24 hours, I recovered, but we

747
00:26:51,835 --> 00:26:52,654
didn't know.

748
00:26:52,954 --> 00:26:53,454
And

749
00:26:53,835 --> 00:26:56,315
and I guess the the other point I'm

750
00:26:56,315 --> 00:26:59,274
making here is that if you're outside of

751
00:26:59,274 --> 00:27:02,069
that big world city anywhere in the world,

752
00:27:02,069 --> 00:27:03,430
you're going to be faced with the same

753
00:27:03,430 --> 00:27:06,549
issue of getting sick and having no help.

754
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:08,630
Right. Mhmm. Right. Except to depend on what

755
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:10,809
the locals tell you. Yeah.

756
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:12,970
And fortunately,

757
00:27:13,269 --> 00:27:13,769
this

758
00:27:14,294 --> 00:27:16,315
some of the locals that I was with

759
00:27:16,375 --> 00:27:19,575
were very familiar with Western tourists. Yes. And

760
00:27:19,575 --> 00:27:21,494
the fact that this was a condition that

761
00:27:21,494 --> 00:27:23,754
they had seen before. Maybe. Yeah.

762
00:27:24,615 --> 00:27:26,534
But then there were others there who were

763
00:27:26,534 --> 00:27:29,095
also making all sorts of recommendations about how

764
00:27:29,095 --> 00:27:31,250
to survive. Mhmm. Like

765
00:27:31,549 --> 00:27:33,230
different and and they were showing me these

766
00:27:33,230 --> 00:27:35,869
different plant concoctions that they had. Yeah. And

767
00:27:35,869 --> 00:27:37,549
somebody wanted to rub in a,

768
00:27:38,269 --> 00:27:39,170
like a pumice

769
00:27:39,630 --> 00:27:42,109
on my on my chest and on my

770
00:27:42,109 --> 00:27:42,609
forehead.

771
00:27:42,990 --> 00:27:43,490
Uh-huh.

772
00:27:44,704 --> 00:27:46,625
You didn't do those. I didn't do that.

773
00:27:46,625 --> 00:27:47,525
Okay. No.

774
00:27:47,904 --> 00:27:49,744
And because, I mean, also, those are the

775
00:27:49,744 --> 00:27:51,025
kind of things they do that, and then

776
00:27:51,025 --> 00:27:52,704
you feel really better the next day. And

777
00:27:52,704 --> 00:27:54,865
then they attributed it. Okay. Yeah. They cause

778
00:27:54,865 --> 00:27:57,200
it causal as opposed to. Right. Yeah. Just

779
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:57,700
coincidental.

780
00:27:58,559 --> 00:28:01,039
Right. Were were you rehydrating? I'm I'm asking

781
00:28:01,039 --> 00:28:02,799
that because I'm just I'm I'm thinking back

782
00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:03,460
to my

783
00:28:04,079 --> 00:28:05,059
my brief,

784
00:28:05,759 --> 00:28:07,519
story I gave of getting food poisoning in

785
00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:09,680
Egypt and how valuable it was for me

786
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:10,934
to have rehydration salts.

787
00:28:11,735 --> 00:28:13,575
Because we were told and I was in

788
00:28:13,575 --> 00:28:14,775
the Peace Corps at the time. We were

789
00:28:14,775 --> 00:28:15,275
told

790
00:28:16,134 --> 00:28:18,934
large cause of many illnesses is dehydration. So

791
00:28:18,934 --> 00:28:20,775
it always happens on you. And when I

792
00:28:20,775 --> 00:28:23,009
had food poisoning and things were coming out,

793
00:28:23,250 --> 00:28:25,490
I really needed to be rehydrated. Hydrogen. Of

794
00:28:25,490 --> 00:28:27,009
course. So I was really glad I had

795
00:28:27,009 --> 00:28:29,170
those. Yeah. It may have been. No. Yeah.

796
00:28:29,170 --> 00:28:30,769
That may have been a Sure. A more

797
00:28:30,769 --> 00:28:31,829
scientific analysis

798
00:28:32,289 --> 00:28:33,970
because I'm sweating I may have been part

799
00:28:33,970 --> 00:28:36,130
of this. Amazon. Sure. Yeah. Constant. Yeah. Constantly.

800
00:28:36,130 --> 00:28:36,630
Yeah.

801
00:28:37,009 --> 00:28:38,070
Yeah. Yeah. Constantly.

802
00:28:38,535 --> 00:28:41,195
Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh-huh. Sure. Now

803
00:28:41,494 --> 00:28:44,455
it's the did you then have to go

804
00:28:44,455 --> 00:28:45,674
back out on the river?

805
00:28:46,295 --> 00:28:48,695
Yeah. We did. Yeah. And it never occurred

806
00:28:48,695 --> 00:28:50,910
again. Never occurred again. Uh-huh. Okay.

807
00:28:51,390 --> 00:28:53,390
Maybe it's just the area you were Yeah.

808
00:28:53,390 --> 00:28:55,470
Yeah. I mean, you recognized it, and it

809
00:28:55,470 --> 00:28:56,910
stuck with you that you were going you

810
00:28:56,910 --> 00:28:58,590
came through the butterflies, which I'm sure was

811
00:28:58,590 --> 00:29:00,670
a memorable thing to do anyway. That's incredible.

812
00:29:00,670 --> 00:29:02,349
Yeah. But and you're coming out of that

813
00:29:02,349 --> 00:29:04,414
into this particular environment,

814
00:29:04,875 --> 00:29:07,134
and I'm just wondering was did the butterfly

815
00:29:07,274 --> 00:29:07,774
effect

816
00:29:08,315 --> 00:29:09,615
which is a different thing.

817
00:29:09,994 --> 00:29:11,835
Not that butterfly. Not that butterfly effect. They

818
00:29:11,835 --> 00:29:13,534
have caused it. I mean Maybe.

819
00:29:13,914 --> 00:29:16,255
Something in Mexico happened, I reckon. Right. Exactly.

820
00:29:16,740 --> 00:29:18,662
And and the fluttering of a million wings.

821
00:29:18,662 --> 00:29:20,585
There you go. And I come through that,

822
00:29:20,585 --> 00:29:22,507
and there I am, and I'm studying it.

823
00:29:22,507 --> 00:29:24,429
Well, there is a metaphor in this also

824
00:29:24,429 --> 00:29:26,592
in that Oh. You know, one of the

825
00:29:26,592 --> 00:29:28,754
things we learned is We love metaphors. We

826
00:29:28,754 --> 00:29:31,315
do. We love metaphors. We do. Bring me

827
00:29:31,315 --> 00:29:32,994
a metaphor. We we haven't done grammar time

828
00:29:32,994 --> 00:29:34,515
in a while. Should we do metaphor time?

829
00:29:34,515 --> 00:29:36,454
Metaphor. Grammar time with

830
00:29:36,835 --> 00:29:37,335
metaphor.

831
00:29:39,714 --> 00:29:41,875
Interesting harmony. Yeah. We tried. We kinda

832
00:29:43,130 --> 00:29:44,990
As we're going through the butterflies,

833
00:29:45,690 --> 00:29:48,509
we're being told that the butterflies are mating,

834
00:29:48,890 --> 00:29:51,870
and what they what these these particular butterflies

835
00:29:52,009 --> 00:29:54,350
do is they go down into the mud

836
00:29:54,809 --> 00:29:56,410
by the by the bank of the river.

837
00:29:56,410 --> 00:29:58,214
Where are we going here? I don't know.

838
00:29:58,214 --> 00:29:59,894
I'm I'm a little frightened. Okay. Let's let's

839
00:29:59,894 --> 00:30:01,494
see what's happening. And they roll They may

840
00:30:01,494 --> 00:30:01,974
be nauseous.

841
00:30:02,375 --> 00:30:05,335
And they collect salt that crystallizes along the

842
00:30:05,335 --> 00:30:07,815
shore of the river. Okay. And they roll

843
00:30:07,815 --> 00:30:10,759
the salt into little salt balls. Okay. And

844
00:30:10,759 --> 00:30:13,400
they the male butterflies give the salt balls

845
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,099
to the female butterflies Okay. As as gifts.

846
00:30:17,159 --> 00:30:18,059
Yes. Right?

847
00:30:18,839 --> 00:30:20,940
And I bet the so it Kinda romanticize

848
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,079
for the tourists, but the better sense of

849
00:30:23,079 --> 00:30:23,984
what you've got,

850
00:30:24,545 --> 00:30:26,785
the better female you might attract. The bigger

851
00:30:26,785 --> 00:30:29,105
the salt ball you have Oh, my Now

852
00:30:29,105 --> 00:30:31,424
we're going down a road. Confusion. Now we're

853
00:30:31,424 --> 00:30:33,684
moving. The largest ball in the mud,

854
00:30:33,984 --> 00:30:36,144
That's exactly it. How big a ball can

855
00:30:36,144 --> 00:30:38,304
you make out of your mud? And then

856
00:30:38,304 --> 00:30:40,430
you then you get the Boy, I wish

857
00:30:40,430 --> 00:30:42,529
they had that in middle school. You know?

858
00:30:43,309 --> 00:30:44,130
Some did.

859
00:30:44,990 --> 00:30:47,070
Anyway So the metaphor Yeah. I recognize that.

860
00:30:47,150 --> 00:30:47,650
Was

861
00:30:48,589 --> 00:30:49,809
was the salt

862
00:30:50,910 --> 00:30:54,075
and the hydration salt. Yes. Okay. And I

863
00:30:54,075 --> 00:30:56,315
should have been taking my cue from the

864
00:30:56,315 --> 00:30:58,414
butterflies. You needed a salt ball.

865
00:30:59,275 --> 00:31:01,275
You were softball. Your salt ball. They took

866
00:31:01,275 --> 00:31:03,855
the salt from you. That's what I'm thinking.

867
00:31:04,075 --> 00:31:04,815
They absorbed

868
00:31:05,115 --> 00:31:07,835
the salt butterfly. Or the female butterflies. That's

869
00:31:07,835 --> 00:31:08,815
right. Selfish

870
00:31:09,150 --> 00:31:09,650
butterflies.

871
00:31:10,830 --> 00:31:14,109
Curse you butterflies. Oh, wow. We've we've opened

872
00:31:14,109 --> 00:31:16,930
up an entire hole. A curse of butterfly

873
00:31:17,070 --> 00:31:18,130
is just a literary

874
00:31:18,670 --> 00:31:19,170
mistake.

875
00:31:19,549 --> 00:31:21,549
I mean It's a literary what? It's a

876
00:31:21,549 --> 00:31:24,714
mistake. Oh, sure. Butterflies need to be there

877
00:31:24,714 --> 00:31:27,295
are just your intuitive response to a butterfly

878
00:31:27,595 --> 00:31:29,615
is to celebrate. They're majestic. Yes.

879
00:31:29,914 --> 00:31:33,275
And they are vicious, vicious. They're They're almost

880
00:31:33,275 --> 00:31:35,674
caused. They almost caused my death on the

881
00:31:35,674 --> 00:31:37,515
wall. They were sucking your life from me.

882
00:31:37,674 --> 00:31:39,630
To kill you. Not death on the Nile,

883
00:31:39,630 --> 00:31:41,730
but death on the Amazon. That's right, darling.

884
00:31:42,029 --> 00:31:42,529
We

885
00:31:42,830 --> 00:31:43,970
could make a movie.

886
00:31:45,470 --> 00:31:47,390
I think we already have. They sucked his

887
00:31:47,390 --> 00:31:49,809
life out. Audio movie. Will he live?

888
00:31:50,430 --> 00:31:53,214
Yes. Opening next week. Because he's here talking

889
00:31:53,214 --> 00:31:55,535
to us now. Never mind. The softball. On

890
00:31:55,535 --> 00:31:56,035
the

891
00:31:56,734 --> 00:31:58,275
salt balls on the river.

892
00:31:58,734 --> 00:32:01,535
Salt balls on the river. Hey. That's the

893
00:32:01,535 --> 00:32:03,535
song that we use. Yeah. Soft balls on

894
00:32:03,535 --> 00:32:04,115
the river.

895
00:32:05,079 --> 00:32:07,000
Uh-huh. And and yeah. My point and all

896
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,000
that Oh. Was And this is all sexual

897
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,700
based too, so big time.

898
00:32:11,159 --> 00:32:13,880
Big time. Oh, this is rated XXX. Were

899
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,399
you wearing whatever the rating Were you wearing

900
00:32:15,399 --> 00:32:17,399
clothes at the top? It was hot. Okay.

901
00:32:17,399 --> 00:32:20,505
Fine. Oh, so nothing? Okay. Alrighty. No. No.

902
00:32:20,505 --> 00:32:22,365
Again, getting slightly nauseous. Yeah.

903
00:32:22,825 --> 00:32:24,125
It was hot and sweaty.

904
00:32:24,505 --> 00:32:25,565
Oh. Okay.

905
00:32:26,024 --> 00:32:28,845
Now yeah. Salt balls. Yeah. Hot and sweaty.

906
00:32:28,904 --> 00:32:30,184
Salt balls. It's,

907
00:32:31,359 --> 00:32:33,139
It's the score for the We've deteriorated

908
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,919
rapidly. That was as soon as we were

909
00:32:35,919 --> 00:32:38,179
above where we are. It's true. Good point.

910
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:39,940
That if you're,

911
00:32:40,399 --> 00:32:42,960
you know, far away from no matter where

912
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,724
you are, Uh-huh. If you're not in a

913
00:32:44,724 --> 00:32:47,204
big international Keep your softballs I appreciate you're

914
00:32:47,204 --> 00:32:49,545
trying to get us back to some semblance

915
00:32:50,164 --> 00:32:51,865
of a purpose to this podcast.

916
00:32:53,285 --> 00:32:54,345
It's just in general.

917
00:32:55,845 --> 00:32:57,704
In general, this entire podcast.

918
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,259
Was there anything cultural we

919
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,960
learned about this? Absolutely. The culture is in

920
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,099
the United States, people doing podcasts are are

921
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:07,539
are juvenile

922
00:33:07,919 --> 00:33:08,419
morons.

923
00:33:09,919 --> 00:33:12,525
Mhmm. I think that's a very strong podcast,

924
00:33:12,884 --> 00:33:16,164
cultural podcast. We're not. We're not juvenile, and

925
00:33:16,164 --> 00:33:18,964
we're not morons. Yet we are making a

926
00:33:18,964 --> 00:33:20,345
really concerted effort

927
00:33:20,644 --> 00:33:23,125
to have everybody believe that we are. We

928
00:33:23,204 --> 00:33:23,444
well

929
00:33:25,210 --> 00:33:25,710
well,

930
00:33:26,090 --> 00:33:27,769
I think it's a believe that we're not.

931
00:33:27,769 --> 00:33:31,150
It's a momentary affliction. We're not talking constantly.

932
00:33:31,210 --> 00:33:33,289
And that is that's a medical condition that

933
00:33:33,289 --> 00:33:35,210
needs to be looked at. Oh, boy, does

934
00:33:35,210 --> 00:33:36,890
it need to be looked at. Right? Currently

935
00:33:36,890 --> 00:33:38,730
in the United States at this point, I

936
00:33:38,730 --> 00:33:40,515
would say it's really in this room. One

937
00:33:40,515 --> 00:33:42,134
of many that he's In this room, definitely.

938
00:33:42,195 --> 00:33:43,734
Yes. Okay. So you lived.

939
00:33:44,355 --> 00:33:45,815
We're moving on.

940
00:33:51,634 --> 00:33:53,315
Do you have a story where you don't

941
00:33:53,315 --> 00:33:53,670
live?

942
00:33:54,309 --> 00:33:57,190
Or honestly, like any story where things really

943
00:33:57,190 --> 00:33:58,630
took a dark turn I mean, you know,

944
00:33:58,630 --> 00:34:00,549
hopefully, it wasn't too dark. Right on the

945
00:34:00,549 --> 00:34:02,710
cusp there. It was a little Sorry. We're

946
00:34:02,710 --> 00:34:04,150
going for the, you know, if it bleeds,

947
00:34:04,150 --> 00:34:07,644
leads. It leads. You know? Yeah. Yeah. No.

948
00:34:07,644 --> 00:34:09,644
Nothing like that. Okay. Good enough. We're done.

949
00:34:09,644 --> 00:34:11,664
Great. Okay. You did podcast. Let's get it.

950
00:34:11,724 --> 00:34:13,505
I'm basically a healthy specimen,

951
00:34:13,885 --> 00:34:14,704
you know, and

952
00:34:15,005 --> 00:34:17,565
Oh oh, okay. Phys physically. Yeah. You know,

953
00:34:17,565 --> 00:34:19,565
I I know everybody know

954
00:34:21,170 --> 00:34:23,190
I could defeat Are you making a distinction

955
00:34:23,329 --> 00:34:24,690
between physical and

956
00:34:25,170 --> 00:34:25,670
Mental?

957
00:34:26,450 --> 00:34:28,469
Spiritual? Well, spiritual, definitely.

958
00:34:28,769 --> 00:34:30,610
I think you're very healthy. He was more

959
00:34:30,610 --> 00:34:32,849
definite about that than you're mental. I'm saying

960
00:34:32,849 --> 00:34:35,030
I think you're very healthy spiritual. Oh.

961
00:34:35,329 --> 00:34:36,070
Very healthy.

962
00:34:37,344 --> 00:34:38,864
I'll back that one. I don't know about

963
00:34:38,864 --> 00:34:41,105
the others. But It's me for anything else.

964
00:34:41,105 --> 00:34:43,265
But that one's sure. We'll go with that.

965
00:34:43,265 --> 00:34:45,184
Anyway But but I went I went out

966
00:34:45,184 --> 00:34:47,045
to a tapas bar in Barcelona.

967
00:34:47,425 --> 00:34:49,344
A tapas bar? A tapas bar. Well, oh,

968
00:34:49,344 --> 00:34:51,300
okay. Yeah. Were you wearing clothes this time?

969
00:34:51,300 --> 00:34:51,800
No.

970
00:34:52,180 --> 00:34:54,340
Yes. Just just bottoms. Just bottoms. And I

971
00:34:54,340 --> 00:34:56,660
was not seeking salt balls. Well Okay. Alright.

972
00:34:56,660 --> 00:34:57,940
But did you get salt balls? Because you

973
00:34:57,940 --> 00:34:59,860
weren't on the Amazon either. And And I

974
00:35:00,019 --> 00:35:02,420
They they were. Turned them down. Clearly, you

975
00:35:02,420 --> 00:35:03,914
had the moral of the story. The trouble

976
00:35:03,914 --> 00:35:05,515
is you didn't have softballs, and that's why

977
00:35:05,515 --> 00:35:07,035
you fell up to sleep and you were

978
00:35:07,195 --> 00:35:09,275
you've been sucked dry of your softballs. Of

979
00:35:09,275 --> 00:35:11,994
softballs. Actually, to the Amazon again with the

980
00:35:11,994 --> 00:35:13,835
butterflies for sure. We're going to the Amazon

981
00:35:13,835 --> 00:35:16,289
again. You could you could after they told

982
00:35:16,289 --> 00:35:17,890
us about what was happening, you could see

983
00:35:17,890 --> 00:35:21,030
the butterflies on the mud banks Uh-huh. Rolling

984
00:35:21,730 --> 00:35:24,130
rolling these little crystals Cool. Of salt with

985
00:35:24,130 --> 00:35:26,050
their with their feet. And were they gorgeous

986
00:35:26,050 --> 00:35:28,605
butterflies? Oh, and the yes. I mean, in

987
00:35:28,605 --> 00:35:30,764
the Amazon. Yeah. You know, I'm I'm looking

988
00:35:30,764 --> 00:35:32,304
at this. Everything is iridescent.

989
00:35:32,684 --> 00:35:35,565
Wow. Beautiful. Everything is full of color. Yeah.

990
00:35:35,565 --> 00:35:37,264
One of the reasons being that

991
00:35:37,644 --> 00:35:39,664
animals from a Darwinian perspective

992
00:35:39,965 --> 00:35:41,425
don't have to worry about

993
00:35:42,050 --> 00:35:44,130
hiding as much as they have to worry

994
00:35:44,130 --> 00:35:45,510
about being seen.

995
00:35:46,130 --> 00:35:48,449
Right. Oh, being separated out from everything else.

996
00:35:48,449 --> 00:35:50,849
Right. So they're vibrant. So they're vibrant. So

997
00:35:50,849 --> 00:35:53,329
the vibrant Very cool. The vibrant ones Oh,

998
00:35:53,329 --> 00:35:55,010
very hot. Give you the give you the

999
00:35:55,010 --> 00:35:55,844
advantage of,

1000
00:35:56,405 --> 00:35:58,965
you know, the protective advantage. For mating. Yeah.

1001
00:35:58,965 --> 00:35:59,465
Yeah.

1002
00:35:59,844 --> 00:36:02,804
That's that's really, really interesting. It's it's a

1003
00:36:03,125 --> 00:36:04,264
so you've got these

1004
00:36:04,644 --> 00:36:06,025
these these butterflies

1005
00:36:06,885 --> 00:36:08,585
who have gorgeous

1006
00:36:09,050 --> 00:36:10,909
wings and look fantastic,

1007
00:36:11,369 --> 00:36:13,769
and the females are going, no. Not enough.

1008
00:36:13,769 --> 00:36:15,609
But have you got a big salt ball?

1009
00:36:15,609 --> 00:36:17,449
Yeah. Exactly. Show me those show me those

1010
00:36:17,449 --> 00:36:19,369
salt balls. Yeah. For me. Yeah. It's like

1011
00:36:19,369 --> 00:36:21,289
the bling. You know? Yeah. Give me the

1012
00:36:21,289 --> 00:36:23,355
bling. If you don't have the bling, don't

1013
00:36:23,355 --> 00:36:25,355
come around. I think Drake did a song

1014
00:36:25,355 --> 00:36:27,114
about softball bling. Is that right? I'm pretty

1015
00:36:27,114 --> 00:36:29,775
pretty sure. Okay. Few years back. Anyway, Barcelona.

1016
00:36:29,914 --> 00:36:31,514
I'm sure there's a bar I'm sure there's

1017
00:36:31,514 --> 00:36:33,375
a Where are you going? We are topless

1018
00:36:33,675 --> 00:36:34,335
in Barcelona.

1019
00:36:34,715 --> 00:36:35,215
Bartholona.

1020
00:36:36,449 --> 00:36:37,670
I'm sure there is a mixologist

1021
00:36:37,969 --> 00:36:40,010
somewhere that's gonna make a salt ball martini

1022
00:36:40,010 --> 00:36:40,789
for it.

1023
00:36:41,090 --> 00:36:42,369
If you ask I'm on board. Yeah. It

1024
00:36:42,369 --> 00:36:44,289
sounds great. I'm on board. Makes a whole

1025
00:36:44,289 --> 00:36:46,369
bunch of dehydration salts. Maybe the salt ball

1026
00:36:46,369 --> 00:36:48,289
martini. Yeah. So we were hanging out of

1027
00:36:48,289 --> 00:36:50,525
this tapas bar and the suit you know,

1028
00:36:50,525 --> 00:36:52,284
looking back on this wearing just pants. Go

1029
00:36:52,284 --> 00:36:54,684
ahead. Looking back on this now, I knew

1030
00:36:54,684 --> 00:36:55,184
exactly

1031
00:36:55,565 --> 00:36:57,484
I should not be eating from this place.

1032
00:36:57,484 --> 00:36:59,424
Okay. We just walked in there,

1033
00:36:59,724 --> 00:37:02,039
but it was it was right off of

1034
00:37:02,039 --> 00:37:04,680
this big grand square, and it it all

1035
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,619
looked good and smelled great.

1036
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,320
Yeah. And tapas. People I love tapas. Yeah.

1037
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,640
It's great. This was the end of, fairly

1038
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,579
intensive week of, consulting and training. Okay. Uh-huh.

1039
00:37:15,945 --> 00:37:18,364
So this was night for celebration.

1040
00:37:18,664 --> 00:37:20,905
Yeah. Nice. So you were gonna indulge. And

1041
00:37:20,905 --> 00:37:23,144
we're all out with the group. Yep. And

1042
00:37:23,144 --> 00:37:25,305
the group is wanting to celebrate, and I'm

1043
00:37:25,305 --> 00:37:26,765
wanting to celebrate. And

1044
00:37:27,065 --> 00:37:27,805
and so

1045
00:37:29,180 --> 00:37:31,099
we're tasting everything that's put in front of

1046
00:37:31,099 --> 00:37:32,860
us. Mhmm. You know, and they've gotten As

1047
00:37:32,860 --> 00:37:35,180
you do. They bring these these little That's

1048
00:37:35,180 --> 00:37:37,980
tapas. Sure. These little plates out, one after

1049
00:37:37,980 --> 00:37:38,960
another after another.

1050
00:37:39,660 --> 00:37:41,820
And what is this? What is this? Oh,

1051
00:37:41,820 --> 00:37:43,039
this one's octopus.

1052
00:37:44,565 --> 00:37:46,025
Mhmm. Popa? Popa.

1053
00:37:46,324 --> 00:37:47,945
Exactly. Uh-huh. Yeah.

1054
00:37:48,324 --> 00:37:48,824
And,

1055
00:37:49,844 --> 00:37:51,684
so, you know, I have it. I taste

1056
00:37:51,684 --> 00:37:53,684
it. And the night goes on, and everything's

1057
00:37:53,684 --> 00:37:54,965
fine. And I go back to my hotel

1058
00:37:54,965 --> 00:37:57,204
room, and everything's fine. Okay. And woke up

1059
00:37:57,204 --> 00:37:59,639
the next morning, and this was now time

1060
00:37:59,639 --> 00:38:00,839
to get to the airport and get on

1061
00:38:00,839 --> 00:38:03,079
the plane and go home. Sure. I'm feeling

1062
00:38:03,079 --> 00:38:04,539
a little a little bit,

1063
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,799
but I get on the plane. Oh, no.

1064
00:38:08,199 --> 00:38:09,880
Home. And Oh, okay. Make it all the

1065
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,359
way home. And 6 hours later, I'm getting

1066
00:38:12,359 --> 00:38:14,835
off the plane, not feeling too terrible Okay.

1067
00:38:15,162 --> 00:38:17,786
But feeling like something's going on. Not right.

1068
00:38:17,786 --> 00:38:20,410
Okay. Yeah. And then I get home, and

1069
00:38:20,410 --> 00:38:23,034
it's wonderful. Cheryl meets me at the door.

1070
00:38:23,034 --> 00:38:25,657
You know? I'm back home. You're wife. There's

1071
00:38:25,657 --> 00:38:27,849
my wife, you know, and she reminds me

1072
00:38:27,849 --> 00:38:29,369
it's time to take out the garbage. You

1073
00:38:29,369 --> 00:38:30,809
know? Sure. You were you were a big

1074
00:38:30,809 --> 00:38:32,809
hit over there, but now No. Here, it's

1075
00:38:32,809 --> 00:38:33,309
like,

1076
00:38:33,929 --> 00:38:36,809
yeah, back home. Right. So okay. Fine. And

1077
00:38:36,809 --> 00:38:38,409
I'm just feeling like, you know what? I

1078
00:38:38,409 --> 00:38:39,849
think I'm gonna go to bed as soon

1079
00:38:39,849 --> 00:38:40,909
as I take out the garbage.

1080
00:38:41,414 --> 00:38:43,255
And I did, and the next day, I

1081
00:38:43,255 --> 00:38:45,355
was in serious pain, high fever.

1082
00:38:45,735 --> 00:38:46,554
Oh, wow.

1083
00:38:47,494 --> 00:38:49,815
This went on for 7 days. Oh, wow.

1084
00:38:49,974 --> 00:38:51,835
Made it to the doctor at one point,

1085
00:38:52,695 --> 00:38:54,535
and then he checked in with me about

1086
00:38:54,535 --> 00:38:55,515
the 5th day

1087
00:38:55,829 --> 00:38:57,989
and said, you know, we got your blood

1088
00:38:57,989 --> 00:38:58,730
work back,

1089
00:38:59,269 --> 00:38:59,769
and,

1090
00:39:00,230 --> 00:39:01,450
I think it was a capillobacter,

1091
00:39:01,829 --> 00:39:03,210
which is not a good one,

1092
00:39:03,989 --> 00:39:04,730
the infection.

1093
00:39:05,269 --> 00:39:07,590
Okay. Yeah. He said there isn't much that

1094
00:39:07,590 --> 00:39:09,110
we can do except keep you hydrated. And

1095
00:39:09,110 --> 00:39:10,630
if you can't keep hydrated, we're gonna take

1096
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:12,368
you into the hospital. Yeah. They gotta hook

1097
00:39:12,368 --> 00:39:13,755
you up with an IV and keep you

1098
00:39:13,755 --> 00:39:14,074
alive that way. Yeah. Yeah. I remember he

1099
00:39:14,074 --> 00:39:14,394
called me one day. I mean, serious pain,

1100
00:39:14,394 --> 00:39:14,715
like, dramatic dramatic pain and then spikes and

1101
00:39:14,715 --> 00:39:15,465
fever and

1102
00:39:24,429 --> 00:39:27,170
everything else going on in between. Sure. And,

1103
00:39:27,869 --> 00:39:29,949
he called one day to check-in on me,

1104
00:39:29,949 --> 00:39:30,849
and I said,

1105
00:39:32,190 --> 00:39:34,110
I I said, please, you know, put me

1106
00:39:34,110 --> 00:39:37,170
at shoot me. Yes. Shoot me, please. Understandable.

1107
00:39:37,414 --> 00:39:40,295
And his his medical response was, that's not

1108
00:39:40,295 --> 00:39:41,594
a therapeutic alternative.

1109
00:39:44,135 --> 00:39:45,894
I did not appreciate his humor in the

1110
00:39:45,894 --> 00:39:47,574
moment. No. I'm sure you do. Do no

1111
00:39:47,574 --> 00:39:48,315
harm unless

1112
00:39:48,614 --> 00:39:50,135
you ask me to shoot you, in which

1113
00:39:50,135 --> 00:39:51,894
case, I will. It might Is that how

1114
00:39:51,894 --> 00:39:54,269
it goes? Yes. Okay. But the cat helicopter

1115
00:39:54,409 --> 00:39:56,489
is a serious one, and they said if

1116
00:39:56,489 --> 00:39:58,170
you do not resolve on your own, we're

1117
00:39:58,170 --> 00:39:59,529
gonna have to We'll have to put you

1118
00:39:59,529 --> 00:40:02,650
in. Yeah. And the 7th day when it

1119
00:40:02,650 --> 00:40:03,049
was,

1120
00:40:03,449 --> 00:40:05,130
you know, strike time, it was gonna be,

1121
00:40:05,130 --> 00:40:07,690
like, it's now or never. Yeah. Right. Woke

1122
00:40:07,690 --> 00:40:08,684
up fine. Okay. Nice.

1123
00:40:09,405 --> 00:40:10,864
Fine. Nice. Well, good.

1124
00:40:11,244 --> 00:40:11,744
Good.

1125
00:40:12,605 --> 00:40:15,025
Yeah. All because of that. But that wasn't

1126
00:40:15,164 --> 00:40:17,885
abroad, but it was does it qualify? Because

1127
00:40:17,885 --> 00:40:19,885
I got it. Well, it qualifies in the

1128
00:40:19,885 --> 00:40:21,244
sense that you did pick it up over

1129
00:40:21,244 --> 00:40:23,500
there, but the medical care was here.

1130
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,400
But it also gives us a a kind

1131
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,079
of a version of it here as opposed

1132
00:40:27,079 --> 00:40:28,699
to the version that you might have gotten,

1133
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:30,119
in Shanghai

1134
00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:32,599
Yeah. Right. Which may have been just as

1135
00:40:32,599 --> 00:40:34,280
effective, maybe more so. I think the moral

1136
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,359
of the story is is I'm endorsing the

1137
00:40:36,359 --> 00:40:39,284
medical care that one can receive in most

1138
00:40:39,284 --> 00:40:42,344
places where medical care is available. Yes. Okay.

1139
00:40:42,405 --> 00:40:43,625
As a foreigner. Yes.

1140
00:40:43,925 --> 00:40:45,224
Yeah. Alright. And don't don't

1141
00:40:45,684 --> 00:40:48,324
just because these things could happen, don't shy

1142
00:40:48,324 --> 00:40:50,359
away from engaging in experiences

1143
00:40:50,659 --> 00:40:53,559
like tapas in Barcelona and Barcelona. Right?

1144
00:40:54,099 --> 00:40:55,940
Absolutely. You wanna be able to indulge in

1145
00:40:55,940 --> 00:40:56,440
the

1146
00:40:56,819 --> 00:40:59,460
local culture and flavors and I would guess

1147
00:40:59,460 --> 00:41:01,159
you probably have had tapas

1148
00:41:01,485 --> 00:41:03,724
in other areas And never got sick. And

1149
00:41:03,724 --> 00:41:05,105
never got sick. Yeah. Exactly.

1150
00:41:05,565 --> 00:41:07,405
As as I have too and you have

1151
00:41:07,405 --> 00:41:09,565
also. Mhmm. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. And when you're

1152
00:41:09,565 --> 00:41:10,625
offered that softball,

1153
00:41:11,325 --> 00:41:13,805
go for it. Softball. Okay. Sure. Softball or

1154
00:41:13,805 --> 00:41:15,469
softball? Well, I know it can be a

1155
00:41:15,469 --> 00:41:17,869
little soft. We've been we've been offering softballs

1156
00:41:17,869 --> 00:41:20,349
all Oh, damn. Over the last 45 minutes.

1157
00:41:20,349 --> 00:41:21,170
Yeah. So

1158
00:41:21,550 --> 00:41:22,849
well, that's enough.

1159
00:41:24,989 --> 00:41:25,889
Oh, okay.

1160
00:41:27,114 --> 00:41:29,635
Yes, sir. That wasn't the most subtle ending,

1161
00:41:29,635 --> 00:41:30,075
but,

1162
00:41:30,474 --> 00:41:31,994
but effective. Not at all. Not even close.

1163
00:41:31,994 --> 00:41:33,614
But effective. I know so.

1164
00:41:34,075 --> 00:41:35,535
I'm terrified, but

1165
00:41:36,155 --> 00:41:39,179
sure. I guess we're done. Yeah. Yeah. That's

1166
00:41:39,179 --> 00:41:41,500
I find no more cultural aspects. We're done.

1167
00:41:41,500 --> 00:41:44,219
Let's go live healthy lives. Yes. Or something.

1168
00:41:44,219 --> 00:41:45,900
And by the way, if when you're look

1169
00:41:45,980 --> 00:41:47,839
if you're looking if you're dating right now,

1170
00:41:47,900 --> 00:41:49,980
you might wanna roll a softball. That's that's

1171
00:41:49,980 --> 00:41:51,339
what I took out of this. That's what

1172
00:41:51,339 --> 00:41:52,460
I got out of it. Wear bright colors

1173
00:41:52,460 --> 00:41:54,559
and roll a softball in the mud. Yeah.

1174
00:41:54,984 --> 00:41:56,905
Uh-huh. Mhmm. Uh-huh. Yeah. Well, let's go,

1175
00:41:57,304 --> 00:41:59,244
yeah, let's go enjoy some schlaug

1176
00:41:59,625 --> 00:42:01,784
and berries some more. Absolutely. Thank you, Dean

1177
00:42:01,784 --> 00:42:03,864
Foster. Try not to eat too much. Thank

1178
00:42:03,864 --> 00:42:06,425
you, gentlemen, once again. Thank you. And and

1179
00:42:06,425 --> 00:42:08,849
here, you know, again, a moral of the

1180
00:42:08,849 --> 00:42:10,449
story is that I'm here to talk about

1181
00:42:10,449 --> 00:42:10,949
it.

1182
00:42:11,409 --> 00:42:13,909
So You are. Yes. Yes. You're you're here.

1183
00:42:13,969 --> 00:42:15,809
Yes. On and on and on over and

1184
00:42:15,809 --> 00:42:17,989
over again. With all your limbs and

1185
00:42:18,289 --> 00:42:21,155
and, you know Right. Well Sort of. Some

1186
00:42:21,155 --> 00:42:22,375
degree of health.

1187
00:42:23,474 --> 00:42:25,175
And some degree of mental capacity.

1188
00:42:25,715 --> 00:42:26,534
Yes. Well,

1189
00:42:28,034 --> 00:42:28,534
enough.

1190
00:42:29,315 --> 00:42:30,454
Just enough. Lagoon.

1191
00:42:31,315 --> 00:42:33,875
Well, once again, we we all enjoy talking

1192
00:42:33,875 --> 00:42:34,755
about this because

1193
00:42:35,889 --> 00:42:36,389
oops.

1194
00:42:37,010 --> 00:42:38,309
Your culture show.

1195
00:42:39,489 --> 00:42:40,389
Smell you.

1196
00:42:49,864 --> 00:42:51,864
Before you run off and disappear back into

1197
00:42:51,864 --> 00:42:53,005
your own cultures,

1198
00:42:53,464 --> 00:42:55,625
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1199
00:42:55,625 --> 00:42:57,625
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1200
00:42:57,625 --> 00:42:59,484
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1201
00:43:00,025 --> 00:43:03,144
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