1 00:00:00,119 --> 00:00:02,111 Here's a cultural thing. So I don't think 2 00:00:02,111 --> 00:00:03,863 the date or the time or anything like, 3 00:00:03,943 --> 00:00:06,333 of the Olympics in in France in Paris. 4 00:00:07,303 --> 00:00:09,927 Has any relevance. Yep. It's just what it... 5 00:00:10,802 --> 00:00:12,631 It's the way it worked out. Yeah. For 6 00:00:13,188 --> 00:00:15,096 You mean it's not being tied into anything. 7 00:00:15,335 --> 00:00:17,337 No. With No. It's not something special happening 8 00:00:17,337 --> 00:00:18,926 the France and that's why it's But when 9 00:00:18,926 --> 00:00:21,625 the Beijing Olympics opened in China, when was 10 00:00:21,625 --> 00:00:23,769 it 2008. That's something like that. Yes. It 11 00:00:23,769 --> 00:00:26,651 was 2008. And that's has cultural relevance. The 12 00:00:26,651 --> 00:00:28,727 drums there over the drums. Yes. Because yeah. 13 00:00:29,046 --> 00:00:32,000 Because it it... Oh, the opening ceremony. The 14 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,656 opening ceremony was on August eighth 15 00:00:35,048 --> 00:00:36,321 of 2008. 16 00:00:36,718 --> 00:00:37,991 Right. At 08:00. 17 00:00:38,230 --> 00:00:40,458 I remember that. U. And that was no 18 00:00:40,458 --> 00:00:43,401 accident. Right. Right. Because culturally, the number 8. 19 00:00:43,973 --> 00:00:44,473 Is 20 00:00:44,846 --> 00:00:46,591 there's the best number for good luck Right. 21 00:00:46,750 --> 00:00:49,789 In China. I've remember the The right interest 22 00:00:49,844 --> 00:00:52,636 talking about the interesting, but ceremony. And So 23 00:00:52,636 --> 00:00:55,257 that was purely a cultural thing. Mh. And 24 00:00:55,257 --> 00:00:57,640 and and and again, they didn't have to 25 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,102 be explained to anybody in China. They all 26 00:01:00,102 --> 00:01:01,825 got it. Right. Sure. But 27 00:01:02,500 --> 00:01:04,091 everywhere else. For me, the Us America, but 28 00:01:04,091 --> 00:01:06,396 the world was looking in. Yeah. Right. Right 29 00:01:06,396 --> 00:01:08,146 in the rest. Yeah. Right. Which they were 30 00:01:08,146 --> 00:01:09,950 very, very aware of, which, of course, that's 31 00:01:10,148 --> 00:01:11,657 you are aware of when you get the 32 00:01:11,895 --> 00:01:13,086 Olympics. Is it's 1 of the reasons you 33 00:01:13,086 --> 00:01:15,230 have the. Right? Yeah. Because so all those 34 00:01:15,230 --> 00:01:18,899 cultural elements to it. Absolutely. Yeah. When and 35 00:01:18,899 --> 00:01:20,411 they are coming back to the United States 36 00:01:20,411 --> 00:01:22,956 in the in the not real near future, 37 00:01:23,115 --> 00:01:25,357 but not too too far away. I don't 38 00:01:25,357 --> 00:01:26,869 know if it's a smart move on the 39 00:01:26,948 --> 00:01:28,778 United States part or not, but we'll find 40 00:01:28,778 --> 00:01:29,812 out. La? 41 00:01:30,926 --> 00:01:31,642 Yeah. Okay. 42 00:01:32,294 --> 00:01:33,413 Is that 20 eights. 43 00:01:34,372 --> 00:01:35,810 Which 1? Is that 20 28? 44 00:01:36,849 --> 00:01:39,327 I 20 30 2II think it's 32, but 45 00:01:39,487 --> 00:01:40,925 I've again, I could be totally wrong. I 46 00:01:40,925 --> 00:01:43,484 can actually But you probably could. That's kind 47 00:01:43,484 --> 00:01:45,787 of why you're here. Is it? But, you 48 00:01:45,787 --> 00:01:48,487 know, look up Olympics facts. U. I didn't 49 00:01:48,487 --> 00:01:50,234 know this. You'd didn't read the small print. 50 00:01:50,393 --> 00:01:52,717 Did you. I I apologize. Yeah. Oil. There 51 00:01:52,717 --> 00:01:53,036 you go. 52 00:01:53,912 --> 00:01:54,412 So 53 00:01:55,665 --> 00:01:58,056 So 20 20 Olympics are in Ellie. 54 00:01:58,708 --> 00:02:00,618 We're not talking about, so we're talking about 55 00:02:00,618 --> 00:02:03,403 our fiftieth and Italy. Oh, I'm sorry. We're 56 00:02:03,403 --> 00:02:05,473 talking about our fifth... Thank you for the 57 00:02:05,473 --> 00:02:08,830 information. It's our fiftieth consoles. Our 50 of. 58 00:02:09,227 --> 00:02:11,296 Can you imagine when we started? We're a 59 00:02:11,296 --> 00:02:13,364 little on each other's nerves here. You just 60 00:02:13,364 --> 00:02:14,796 come to 50 episodes. 61 00:02:15,446 --> 00:02:16,479 It is. It's our fiftieth. 62 00:02:17,035 --> 00:02:19,021 Can you imagine if when we started this 63 00:02:19,021 --> 00:02:21,166 if we said, we're... We'll be... We'll have 64 00:02:21,166 --> 00:02:21,961 50 of these. 65 00:02:23,008 --> 00:02:24,754 You know, it... We did start this? 66 00:02:25,547 --> 00:02:28,404 I knew that. 19 27. That's believe. Was 67 00:02:28,404 --> 00:02:29,833 that a surprise to you? I knew that. 68 00:02:30,071 --> 00:02:31,755 Did you know that? Yeah. Okay. And I 69 00:02:31,755 --> 00:02:33,904 know what we 20 24. And I'm... Yes. 70 00:02:34,063 --> 00:02:35,655 And I knew what we'd be talking about. 71 00:02:35,894 --> 00:02:38,998 Okay. In every episode. Okay. And every very 72 00:02:38,998 --> 00:02:41,322 well all the other we down. Well... No. 73 00:02:41,641 --> 00:02:43,635 Not so much the others, but certainly, in 74 00:02:43,635 --> 00:02:46,268 this 1, because. This is... This is the 75 00:02:46,268 --> 00:02:46,768 fiftieth 76 00:02:47,304 --> 00:02:48,841 anniversary episode of 77 00:02:49,618 --> 00:02:50,016 oops. 78 00:02:50,828 --> 00:02:52,180 Your culture is showing. 79 00:02:59,177 --> 00:03:01,900 And I'm dean foster. I'm Tom Peterson, and 80 00:03:01,980 --> 00:03:03,596 I'm To Happy fiftieth. 81 00:03:04,691 --> 00:03:06,207 Like the candles baby. 82 00:03:06,925 --> 00:03:07,164 Oh, 83 00:03:07,802 --> 00:03:08,600 are you oh, no. 84 00:03:10,609 --> 00:03:13,181 Tom has exploded. But it is our fiftieth 85 00:03:13,558 --> 00:03:15,392 episode. It is our fiftieth episode, and I 86 00:03:15,392 --> 00:03:18,022 wanna take a moment here because in our 87 00:03:18,022 --> 00:03:20,428 last episode, I believe that would be the 88 00:03:20,428 --> 00:03:21,861 40 ninth. Can you check on that tour? 89 00:03:22,339 --> 00:03:23,534 I'll check on it. I was never good 90 00:03:23,534 --> 00:03:24,968 at math, so I'll take your word for 91 00:03:24,968 --> 00:03:25,707 it. Fine. 92 00:03:26,242 --> 00:03:27,118 Let's go with 49. 93 00:03:27,756 --> 00:03:30,081 For now. Dean was about to to offer 94 00:03:30,081 --> 00:03:32,790 a, a question. I was obviously cultural. 95 00:03:33,268 --> 00:03:36,455 Obviously. Some something that was we we talked 96 00:03:36,455 --> 00:03:39,093 about yeah. Culture. Yeah. We we guess, whether 97 00:03:39,093 --> 00:03:40,838 it's we're actually making a point or just 98 00:03:40,838 --> 00:03:42,766 total nonsense, we don't know yet 99 00:03:43,138 --> 00:03:44,978 because we have not heard the entire Things. 100 00:03:45,295 --> 00:03:47,276 You can assume it made a point. I 101 00:03:47,276 --> 00:03:48,703 see. And now we're going to turn it 102 00:03:48,703 --> 00:03:51,318 back over to... Yes. Here he is in 103 00:03:51,318 --> 00:03:51,873 the flesh. 104 00:03:52,685 --> 00:03:54,205 And I wish you cover some of that 105 00:03:54,284 --> 00:03:56,044 Yeah. It's too much flash in my opinion 106 00:03:56,044 --> 00:03:58,625 open Dean foster talking about 107 00:03:59,324 --> 00:03:59,620 the 108 00:04:00,137 --> 00:04:02,443 happiest song. On that's way. What it was 109 00:04:02,443 --> 00:04:04,432 happy song. Right? Oh, the happiest song. I 110 00:04:04,432 --> 00:04:07,072 was gonna say, we no this with this 111 00:04:07,072 --> 00:04:09,540 song. I don't No. You don't remember won't 112 00:04:09,540 --> 00:04:09,858 the time. 113 00:04:11,211 --> 00:04:13,042 No. But now what you mentioned the happiest 114 00:04:13,042 --> 00:04:14,395 song we were talking about music. 115 00:04:15,046 --> 00:04:16,713 We were in the last right. And 1 116 00:04:16,713 --> 00:04:18,642 of the things that came to mind was 117 00:04:19,016 --> 00:04:19,809 when I was 118 00:04:20,365 --> 00:04:21,715 in Africa. U. 119 00:04:22,844 --> 00:04:24,602 There was an... There there was an... The 120 00:04:24,602 --> 00:04:26,840 evening event on that I was invited to, 121 00:04:27,079 --> 00:04:28,698 and this is in Tanzania. 122 00:04:29,557 --> 00:04:31,495 And we got to singing 123 00:04:31,888 --> 00:04:35,173 and dancing, and the band was playing and 124 00:04:35,230 --> 00:04:39,208 this was a a local welcoming song, which 125 00:04:39,208 --> 00:04:42,110 is basically now so well known throughout 126 00:04:42,803 --> 00:04:45,986 not only Tanzania, obviously, but, throughout of the 127 00:04:46,066 --> 00:04:47,839 East Africa as Tanzania 128 00:04:48,628 --> 00:04:50,782 it's not the national anthem, but it might 129 00:04:50,782 --> 00:04:53,036 as well be. Mh. It is the happiest 130 00:04:53,175 --> 00:04:56,843 song I've ever heard. Real. It and it's... 131 00:04:57,322 --> 00:04:59,892 Yeah. It it's just... You got... You gotta 132 00:04:59,892 --> 00:05:01,890 get up and dance, It is totally infectious, 133 00:05:02,450 --> 00:05:03,509 and it was 134 00:05:03,888 --> 00:05:04,287 it was the... 135 00:05:05,087 --> 00:05:06,605 If you're ever feeling down. 136 00:05:07,098 --> 00:05:09,479 And you just need a lift, you know? 137 00:05:09,638 --> 00:05:12,043 Mh. This... It's a gray and 138 00:05:12,495 --> 00:05:14,877 and and and said kind of afternoon. You 139 00:05:14,877 --> 00:05:17,219 just having a fun. Put that on. Just 140 00:05:17,355 --> 00:05:18,571 listen to jumbo. 141 00:05:19,343 --> 00:05:22,547 Nice. Okay. The go go online and watch 142 00:05:22,683 --> 00:05:25,148 half a dozen dance groups doing this song. 143 00:05:25,958 --> 00:05:26,458 And 144 00:05:26,831 --> 00:05:28,045 singing it and 145 00:05:28,815 --> 00:05:31,457 wow. And just to be be able to 146 00:05:31,513 --> 00:05:33,735 be there and participate in this. Yeah. For 147 00:05:33,735 --> 00:05:37,104 me was just absolutely through thrilling. It's 148 00:05:37,664 --> 00:05:39,504 it is truly the happiest song you'll ever 149 00:05:39,504 --> 00:05:40,305 hear. Wow. 150 00:05:40,625 --> 00:05:43,185 Okay. That's quite an endorsement. Okay. We... We've 151 00:05:43,185 --> 00:05:44,956 gotta looked that up we go. We gotta 152 00:05:44,956 --> 00:05:45,195 find that. 153 00:05:46,232 --> 00:05:47,290 Yeah. Jam. 154 00:05:48,066 --> 00:05:50,059 That's enough. No. No. We want... We wanna 155 00:05:50,059 --> 00:05:51,574 actually hear the. We don't wanna pay with 156 00:05:51,574 --> 00:05:51,893 the race. 157 00:05:53,184 --> 00:05:54,859 But what's that wait hold on. 158 00:05:55,577 --> 00:05:56,955 It's legal. I, 159 00:05:57,572 --> 00:05:57,891 really? 160 00:05:58,609 --> 00:06:01,358 Did he too much? No? That no 161 00:06:01,735 --> 00:06:03,432 jump... Been a while since we 162 00:06:04,049 --> 00:06:05,805 learned with licensing I when we talked to 163 00:06:05,805 --> 00:06:07,401 a licensing or even been on the song. 164 00:06:08,372 --> 00:06:11,157 John the jumbo and Sw, which is the 165 00:06:11,157 --> 00:06:14,420 local coastal language. U. Jumbo means welcome. Okay. 166 00:06:14,738 --> 00:06:16,569 Okay. So you're seeing it to people who 167 00:06:16,569 --> 00:06:19,053 wanna welcome to the country joyful. Yeah. It's 168 00:06:19,053 --> 00:06:22,320 very joyful and wanna. You're saying jumbo, like... 169 00:06:22,798 --> 00:06:26,861 No jumbo. Jumbo. Yeah. Like JA0 170 00:06:26,861 --> 00:06:28,390 as opposed to the you. Okay. 171 00:06:29,426 --> 00:06:32,454 It's welcome jumbo. Nice. Nice. Very nice. Yeah. 172 00:06:32,853 --> 00:06:34,765 It's very cool. Yeah. It is. It has 173 00:06:34,765 --> 00:06:37,008 enough things. So welcome to our welcome to 174 00:06:37,008 --> 00:06:37,724 our fiftieth. 175 00:06:38,122 --> 00:06:39,736 Yeah. Welcome to our there 176 00:06:40,906 --> 00:06:43,771 episode celebration episode. That's right. Welcome. 177 00:06:44,183 --> 00:06:46,411 When we were talking about Italy. Yeah. We 178 00:06:46,411 --> 00:06:48,558 were talking about music before. I was something 179 00:06:48,558 --> 00:06:50,229 about Opera, and then that took us to 180 00:06:50,308 --> 00:06:50,786 Italy. 181 00:06:51,357 --> 00:06:54,800 Exactly. And you're celebrating an anniversary in Italy 182 00:06:55,015 --> 00:06:57,719 this where we're we're planning next year actually, 183 00:06:57,878 --> 00:06:59,627 to to head, but we're in the midst 184 00:06:59,627 --> 00:07:00,923 of trying to plan 185 00:07:01,314 --> 00:07:03,474 our trip to Italy, my wife and I 186 00:07:03,474 --> 00:07:05,735 and and in the hopes of celebrating our 187 00:07:05,794 --> 00:07:08,274 anniversary over there. Fantastic. So perhaps... So we 188 00:07:08,274 --> 00:07:10,844 have celebrations of upon celebrations. And we could 189 00:07:10,844 --> 00:07:13,303 talk about some aspects of Italian culture. Sure. 190 00:07:13,541 --> 00:07:16,080 Right. So when... And Sharon and I were 191 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:17,587 visiting our friends in Italy. 192 00:07:19,113 --> 00:07:21,187 Many, many years ago, we played a card 193 00:07:21,187 --> 00:07:23,980 game that we learned over there, which is 194 00:07:24,538 --> 00:07:25,437 which was 195 00:07:27,026 --> 00:07:30,216 it cold spoons. And and I think we 196 00:07:30,216 --> 00:07:33,088 played spoons. So we have played spoons. Several 197 00:07:33,088 --> 00:07:35,082 on several occasions. But when we were in 198 00:07:35,162 --> 00:07:35,481 Italy, 199 00:07:36,614 --> 00:07:37,493 you you had to... 200 00:07:38,292 --> 00:07:41,169 The loser of of the game, and it's 201 00:07:41,169 --> 00:07:43,007 irrelevant as to what the game actually is. 202 00:07:43,247 --> 00:07:44,925 It's a card game. But the losers the 203 00:07:44,925 --> 00:07:46,715 game as part of the ceremony 204 00:07:47,090 --> 00:07:49,716 has to get up and sing an Aria. 205 00:07:49,955 --> 00:07:52,422 Right. In that because in Italy, that's what 206 00:07:52,422 --> 00:07:54,491 you did. Mh if you lose the game. 207 00:07:55,143 --> 00:07:55,643 So 208 00:07:56,494 --> 00:07:57,392 Cheryl lost 209 00:07:58,482 --> 00:07:59,276 on round, 210 00:08:00,310 --> 00:08:02,695 and this is late at night after a 211 00:08:02,695 --> 00:08:05,119 grand italian feast. So and 212 00:08:05,498 --> 00:08:05,998 several 213 00:08:06,936 --> 00:08:08,954 bottles of wine. Mh. And 214 00:08:09,333 --> 00:08:10,392 Cheryl breaks 215 00:08:10,771 --> 00:08:11,271 into 216 00:08:12,223 --> 00:08:13,977 this aria from Lob M. 217 00:08:15,013 --> 00:08:17,166 Nice. And I did not know my wife 218 00:08:17,166 --> 00:08:19,398 knew this. I didn't know she could sing 219 00:08:19,398 --> 00:08:19,557 it. 220 00:08:20,529 --> 00:08:22,041 Well, I knew she she's I knew she 221 00:08:22,041 --> 00:08:24,030 was a great singer, mh but I didn't 222 00:08:24,030 --> 00:08:25,542 know she knew this. Mh. 223 00:08:26,099 --> 00:08:26,599 And 224 00:08:28,105 --> 00:08:30,824 our italian friend, Arm is sitting at the 225 00:08:30,824 --> 00:08:33,325 table, and his jaw drops because 226 00:08:34,264 --> 00:08:36,919 he too could not have anticipated that she 227 00:08:36,919 --> 00:08:38,117 knew the the Rf. 228 00:08:38,836 --> 00:08:40,993 I'd I at... And to this day, 229 00:08:41,952 --> 00:08:43,470 if you ask her to sing it, you 230 00:08:43,470 --> 00:08:46,585 know, she'll insist on playing spoons and having 231 00:08:46,585 --> 00:08:49,128 several bottles of wide versa first. Sure Sure. 232 00:08:49,367 --> 00:08:51,929 Sure. That's what you do. Yeah. You're ready 233 00:08:51,929 --> 00:08:53,447 to sing. It's the the only way the 234 00:08:53,527 --> 00:08:54,027 Aria 235 00:08:54,406 --> 00:08:55,285 goes back to mine. 236 00:08:56,963 --> 00:08:58,002 Nice he's very nice. 237 00:08:58,881 --> 00:09:00,400 Well we'll have to do that soon. Yeah. 238 00:09:00,972 --> 00:09:01,369 Absolutely. 239 00:09:02,797 --> 00:09:03,773 So Italy 240 00:09:04,305 --> 00:09:06,607 is a... It's a it's a deep dive. 241 00:09:07,083 --> 00:09:07,956 Wow the culture. 242 00:09:08,447 --> 00:09:10,274 It it... It's a country... It's a it's 243 00:09:10,274 --> 00:09:11,624 a country a name only. 244 00:09:12,101 --> 00:09:15,040 You know, in that Okay. The different sections 245 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,996 of Italy, arc of are so different. Mh. 246 00:09:19,190 --> 00:09:21,737 And so you... We've got for... First, the 247 00:09:21,737 --> 00:09:22,931 the first big division, 248 00:09:23,806 --> 00:09:25,716 culturally speaking is that you've got the north, 249 00:09:26,129 --> 00:09:28,434 and then you've got the south. Mh. And 250 00:09:28,434 --> 00:09:31,614 the 2 never have historically gotten along. And 251 00:09:31,614 --> 00:09:33,894 there's always this north south division in culture 252 00:09:34,254 --> 00:09:36,014 everywhere around the world. Right. Sure. You think 253 00:09:36,014 --> 00:09:38,175 of it. Every every country got it. Yeah. 254 00:09:39,215 --> 00:09:41,774 Sometimes it's east and west, but north and 255 00:09:41,774 --> 00:09:43,394 south mainly because 256 00:09:44,429 --> 00:09:47,145 from the agricultural traditions that all cultures have 257 00:09:47,145 --> 00:09:49,084 to deal with until very recently. 258 00:09:50,182 --> 00:09:52,020 It's going north and going south, 259 00:09:52,673 --> 00:09:54,446 that changes that you chicago 260 00:09:54,902 --> 00:09:57,846 climb top. You don't get that change so 261 00:09:57,846 --> 00:10:01,518 dramatic going east West. Right. So the the 262 00:10:01,518 --> 00:10:03,207 the life that develops 263 00:10:03,580 --> 00:10:05,190 in the north and the south 264 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,022 based on these agricultural traditions. 265 00:10:08,593 --> 00:10:11,298 Can be very, very different. Yeah. Okay. And 266 00:10:11,298 --> 00:10:13,048 and now in Italy, you have this. And 267 00:10:13,048 --> 00:10:14,560 and the joke, of course is that the 268 00:10:14,560 --> 00:10:16,310 northern is look at the southern and call 269 00:10:16,310 --> 00:10:18,498 them terrible names and the southern 270 00:10:18,876 --> 00:10:20,313 look at the northern and they call them 271 00:10:20,472 --> 00:10:20,792 Germans. 272 00:10:21,350 --> 00:10:25,102 And you there's always this rivalry in in 273 00:10:25,261 --> 00:10:25,501 Italy. 274 00:10:26,233 --> 00:10:27,608 It's much more rural 275 00:10:28,221 --> 00:10:30,208 in the south. It it has 276 00:10:30,923 --> 00:10:32,695 traditions that come from, 277 00:10:33,308 --> 00:10:33,865 a deep, 278 00:10:34,439 --> 00:10:35,978 mediterranean heat. Mh 279 00:10:36,916 --> 00:10:37,955 And in the north, 280 00:10:39,314 --> 00:10:42,051 these were consolidated prince states 281 00:10:42,430 --> 00:10:42,910 historically, 282 00:10:43,644 --> 00:10:46,365 that became part of the country of of 283 00:10:46,445 --> 00:10:48,845 Italy. But again, only in in only in 284 00:10:48,845 --> 00:10:50,934 the 18 hundreds. Mh and, 285 00:10:51,489 --> 00:10:53,393 they were once part of France once part 286 00:10:53,393 --> 00:10:55,931 of Switzerland 1 the latest drawing of the 287 00:10:55,931 --> 00:10:56,486 line. Yeah. 288 00:10:57,279 --> 00:11:00,624 And Europe, that's like, yesterday. Right. Exactly. Right. 289 00:11:00,941 --> 00:11:01,441 So 290 00:11:01,971 --> 00:11:03,398 vastly different traditions, 291 00:11:04,111 --> 00:11:04,928 much more 292 00:11:05,776 --> 00:11:08,029 Like, 1 could say sophisticated in the north. 293 00:11:08,269 --> 00:11:09,949 You think of the cities in the north 294 00:11:09,949 --> 00:11:11,730 like Milan, which 295 00:11:12,190 --> 00:11:14,929 you know, is is highly refined, 296 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,263 way of at life. Very fashion that oriented. 297 00:11:18,422 --> 00:11:18,581 Yes. 298 00:11:19,296 --> 00:11:21,941 We were in Milan last year. And coincidentally, 299 00:11:22,235 --> 00:11:23,347 we were there for fashion week. 300 00:11:24,238 --> 00:11:26,231 Didn't a good time didn't know. Didn't didn't 301 00:11:26,231 --> 00:11:27,985 know it the real but they dressed it. 302 00:11:28,145 --> 00:11:30,138 Well, that I'm sure you dressed. Well, as 303 00:11:30,298 --> 00:11:32,291 I did. As you always... Well, my son 304 00:11:32,291 --> 00:11:34,457 sneakers. And then then And nothing else Nick. 305 00:11:35,174 --> 00:11:37,724 But interestingly walking And everybody said, okay. Okay. 306 00:11:37,963 --> 00:11:39,955 Nice sneakers snow. Walking down the street in 307 00:11:40,273 --> 00:11:41,309 Milan. Quite a ape. 308 00:11:42,026 --> 00:11:42,265 Oh boy. 309 00:11:42,997 --> 00:11:43,816 Quite error. 310 00:11:44,511 --> 00:11:46,981 Walking down the street of Milan was a 311 00:11:46,981 --> 00:11:50,726 a true experience because I was impressed to 312 00:11:50,726 --> 00:11:52,294 the fact to the fact that 313 00:11:52,971 --> 00:11:55,917 people were sizing up each other on the 314 00:11:55,917 --> 00:11:56,554 street. Yeah. 315 00:11:57,350 --> 00:12:00,216 With their eyes. Yeah. Based on how they 316 00:12:00,216 --> 00:12:02,853 dressed. Yeah. And they start with the shoes. 317 00:12:03,091 --> 00:12:06,110 Oh, sure. So you always have to have 318 00:12:06,110 --> 00:12:08,907 the finest shoes on. Okay. And then everything 319 00:12:08,907 --> 00:12:11,452 else can be access depending on your personality, 320 00:12:11,850 --> 00:12:13,917 but it's got to be high fashion. Mh. 321 00:12:14,156 --> 00:12:16,478 And your shoes have to be. Bottom up. 322 00:12:16,717 --> 00:12:18,392 And I mentioned this again, to my friend, 323 00:12:18,631 --> 00:12:20,865 arm Man, and he said he said, oh, 324 00:12:20,944 --> 00:12:22,300 yes. When I was growing up in Italy, 325 00:12:22,460 --> 00:12:24,693 he said my mother always said, no matter 326 00:12:24,693 --> 00:12:26,699 how you have to dress. Make sure your 327 00:12:26,699 --> 00:12:28,289 shoes are the best shoes you can afford. 328 00:12:28,528 --> 00:12:31,787 Mh. And and and it was absolutely striking 329 00:12:31,787 --> 00:12:34,570 to me how people were visually looking at 330 00:12:34,570 --> 00:12:35,500 each other's shoes 331 00:12:35,857 --> 00:12:37,922 just walking down the streets and may not 332 00:12:37,922 --> 00:12:39,669 interesting. Do you have a do... Did you 333 00:12:39,669 --> 00:12:41,258 get a sense of why that is or 334 00:12:41,258 --> 00:12:42,687 did Arm to speak to that? It, you 335 00:12:42,687 --> 00:12:44,593 know, it goes to... And, again, they they 336 00:12:44,593 --> 00:12:46,125 could be know, we can give it an 337 00:12:46,125 --> 00:12:49,404 an economic explanation. Yeah that's why Political and 338 00:12:49,404 --> 00:12:49,904 classical 339 00:12:50,284 --> 00:12:53,085 explanation. Yeah. But from a cultural perspective, Mh 340 00:12:53,164 --> 00:12:56,392 It plays right into this, very deep cultural 341 00:12:56,529 --> 00:12:59,154 issue in all of Italy, north and south, 342 00:12:59,631 --> 00:13:00,983 which is La Gu. 343 00:13:01,620 --> 00:13:03,380 It's Okay. Beautiful face. 344 00:13:04,253 --> 00:13:07,189 Mh. 1 must... I think Billy Crystal had 345 00:13:07,189 --> 00:13:09,831 a routine about this. 1 must look beautiful. 346 00:13:10,378 --> 00:13:13,026 All the time. Mh 1 must put on 347 00:13:13,321 --> 00:13:13,821 this 348 00:13:14,355 --> 00:13:15,230 could be fashion. 349 00:13:15,628 --> 00:13:17,856 It could be a sense of style. It 350 00:13:17,856 --> 00:13:18,945 could be a way of 351 00:13:19,461 --> 00:13:22,166 demeanor a way of behaving, but 1 has 352 00:13:22,166 --> 00:13:22,904 to be 353 00:13:24,075 --> 00:13:24,972 doing things 354 00:13:25,586 --> 00:13:26,063 correctly. 355 00:13:26,858 --> 00:13:27,549 And in 356 00:13:28,226 --> 00:13:30,852 La. Good it literally means beautiful face. Okay. 357 00:13:31,090 --> 00:13:34,194 A beautiful figure. And we're we're talking face 358 00:13:34,194 --> 00:13:34,751 in the, 359 00:13:35,785 --> 00:13:36,661 definition of, like, 360 00:13:37,392 --> 00:13:39,302 keeping face or something like that, more of 361 00:13:39,302 --> 00:13:41,929 a broader outlook to the term as opposed 362 00:13:41,929 --> 00:13:44,238 to adjust your fit like pig area. Right. 363 00:13:44,476 --> 00:13:48,015 Right. And and so things must be as 364 00:13:48,072 --> 00:13:50,061 perfect as you want them to be seen 365 00:13:50,061 --> 00:13:51,970 to be. Mh. Including yourself. 366 00:13:52,766 --> 00:13:55,673 If you want respect, to You have to 367 00:13:55,732 --> 00:13:57,810 you have to look like you do. You 368 00:13:57,810 --> 00:14:00,287 have to dress like you do. Sure. You 369 00:14:00,287 --> 00:14:02,934 have to behave in ways that shows that 370 00:14:02,934 --> 00:14:05,237 you know what you're doing. Yeah. And that 371 00:14:05,237 --> 00:14:07,222 you are well connected and that you know 372 00:14:07,222 --> 00:14:08,095 the right people. 373 00:14:08,889 --> 00:14:09,128 Because 374 00:14:09,763 --> 00:14:11,565 Because in Italy, it... It's not 375 00:14:12,241 --> 00:14:14,391 only what you know. And in fact, it 376 00:14:14,391 --> 00:14:15,926 isn't so much what you know 377 00:14:16,461 --> 00:14:19,668 traditionally, but it's who you know. Mh. And 378 00:14:20,218 --> 00:14:22,361 and whether or not you know that you 379 00:14:22,361 --> 00:14:24,821 are entitled to not have to follow the 380 00:14:24,821 --> 00:14:27,202 rules. Right. Everybody else has to follow the 381 00:14:27,202 --> 00:14:29,765 rules. But in Italy, you get great respect 382 00:14:29,765 --> 00:14:32,872 if you don't follow the rules because you 383 00:14:32,872 --> 00:14:33,669 don't have to. 384 00:14:34,545 --> 00:14:34,625 Okay. 385 00:14:35,421 --> 00:14:36,240 It's like, 386 00:14:39,098 --> 00:14:41,485 walk into a... I remember walking into a 387 00:14:41,485 --> 00:14:44,843 bank in rome and waiting online. Okay. A 388 00:14:44,843 --> 00:14:47,631 bureaucracy in in in Italy is staggering. 389 00:14:48,109 --> 00:14:49,941 And it's a beautiful place to visit, but 390 00:14:49,941 --> 00:14:52,092 a terrible place to live and the Italians 391 00:14:52,092 --> 00:14:52,650 will tell you. 392 00:14:53,606 --> 00:14:55,239 Because because of things like 393 00:14:55,777 --> 00:14:57,076 corruption and bureaucracy, 394 00:14:57,455 --> 00:14:57,955 it's 395 00:14:58,334 --> 00:15:00,811 and and and because of La Gu, 396 00:15:01,530 --> 00:15:02,030 because 397 00:15:02,584 --> 00:15:04,600 The Italian culture is 1 where 398 00:15:05,137 --> 00:15:07,769 it's not so much having to follow the 399 00:15:07,769 --> 00:15:10,096 rules and the processes and the procedure and 400 00:15:10,096 --> 00:15:12,084 you go right across the border into Switzerland 401 00:15:12,084 --> 00:15:13,197 where that's what it's all about. 402 00:15:13,991 --> 00:15:15,764 Everybody knows the rules and the processes 403 00:15:16,217 --> 00:15:18,523 procedures. Mh. Right? But you cross into Italy, 404 00:15:18,682 --> 00:15:21,409 and it's No. It's like, rules are made 405 00:15:21,409 --> 00:15:22,149 by people 406 00:15:22,527 --> 00:15:23,027 who 407 00:15:23,644 --> 00:15:26,358 can make those rules. Mh. And if you 408 00:15:26,358 --> 00:15:29,083 are smart enough clever enough and you know 409 00:15:29,083 --> 00:15:29,583 somebody 410 00:15:30,594 --> 00:15:32,208 who can will help you 411 00:15:32,583 --> 00:15:34,333 allow you to not have to follow the 412 00:15:34,333 --> 00:15:34,412 rules. 413 00:15:35,303 --> 00:15:37,558 Then you earn points 414 00:15:38,255 --> 00:15:41,046 for being clever and not having to fall. 415 00:15:41,605 --> 00:15:43,838 Like, you stand on a street corner in 416 00:15:44,077 --> 00:15:44,396 Zurich. 417 00:15:45,049 --> 00:15:46,481 And the light is red and you tried 418 00:15:46,481 --> 00:15:48,787 to cross the street because because the no 419 00:15:48,787 --> 00:15:49,265 cars coming, 420 00:15:49,981 --> 00:15:52,382 and you're gonna get shouted at. Right. It 421 00:15:52,382 --> 00:15:53,893 happens to to me over time when I 422 00:15:53,893 --> 00:15:55,246 do think of something from New York. Right. 423 00:15:55,484 --> 00:15:57,314 You right. Right Yeah. Jerk it doesn't matter 424 00:15:57,314 --> 00:15:59,476 with the long start. Right Right. You And 425 00:15:59,476 --> 00:16:01,544 and little old swiss lady, you know, shouted 426 00:16:01,544 --> 00:16:03,215 at me, and I didn't quite understand what 427 00:16:03,374 --> 00:16:05,283 German, but it... But what she was telling 428 00:16:05,283 --> 00:16:06,555 me is that you can't do that. It's 429 00:16:06,555 --> 00:16:08,643 a red light. Right. Even though there's no 430 00:16:08,643 --> 00:16:11,360 cars coming. Right. Writes no sense. Sure. But 431 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:12,079 in Italy, 432 00:16:13,438 --> 00:16:15,616 to you. Right now. But in Italy 433 00:16:17,207 --> 00:16:19,282 It's interpretive, I believe. If it's a if 434 00:16:19,282 --> 00:16:20,958 it's a red light. I feel. Even if 435 00:16:20,958 --> 00:16:23,831 there are hard cars coming. Right across the 436 00:16:23,831 --> 00:16:26,402 street street. Right. Because you get brownie points 437 00:16:26,402 --> 00:16:28,240 for being clever enough to know have across 438 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,238 the street without having to get hit by 439 00:16:30,238 --> 00:16:32,736 a car. Yeah. By the cars. So 440 00:16:33,449 --> 00:16:35,444 I've I've walked into a bank once and 441 00:16:35,524 --> 00:16:37,839 I'm standing online, like the, like, the jerk 442 00:16:37,839 --> 00:16:39,675 has to follow the rules because I don't 443 00:16:39,675 --> 00:16:40,553 know any other way. 444 00:16:41,271 --> 00:16:41,771 And 445 00:16:42,323 --> 00:16:44,473 some guy comes into the bank and walks 446 00:16:44,473 --> 00:16:45,668 right up to the front of the line 447 00:16:45,668 --> 00:16:47,659 walks right to a tailor. M. Okay. And 448 00:16:47,818 --> 00:16:49,888 I'm going... Whoa. Wait a minute Wait a 449 00:16:49,888 --> 00:16:52,127 minute. Right yeah. They're a real. I've been 450 00:16:52,127 --> 00:16:54,030 waiting here. Now you're the little swiss woman. 451 00:16:54,268 --> 00:16:55,696 Right. Now I'm the swiss. Right. 452 00:16:56,489 --> 00:16:58,313 I've been waiting online for 20 minutes. 453 00:16:58,884 --> 00:17:00,965 You know, and you walk right up to 454 00:17:00,965 --> 00:17:03,044 the front. Right. What? And... And I'm I'm 455 00:17:03,044 --> 00:17:04,724 not saying this to anybody, but I'm thinking 456 00:17:04,724 --> 00:17:07,611 this. Right? Sure. And I over here that 457 00:17:07,611 --> 00:17:09,518 he's having a nice conversation with the teller. 458 00:17:09,677 --> 00:17:10,948 Of course, they know each other. 459 00:17:11,663 --> 00:17:14,619 And that's why he did it. U. And 460 00:17:14,619 --> 00:17:16,210 it's because they know each other they're also 461 00:17:16,210 --> 00:17:19,869 socializing, Yeah. Taking up more time. Being inefficient. 462 00:17:20,426 --> 00:17:23,146 Right? And nobody says anything. U. 463 00:17:23,623 --> 00:17:25,692 Because this is the way... This is the 464 00:17:25,692 --> 00:17:26,567 way it works. Yeah. 465 00:17:27,363 --> 00:17:29,670 This is the system. This is La Fe. 466 00:17:30,004 --> 00:17:33,380 Okay. U. Interesting. Okay. Yeah. I see. And 467 00:17:33,599 --> 00:17:36,256 for I I would say, you know, Americans 468 00:17:36,475 --> 00:17:39,673 visiting. Italy. I mean, you know, the Italian 469 00:17:39,673 --> 00:17:42,455 brand is very, very strong. And and and 470 00:17:42,614 --> 00:17:44,998 Italians make money on their Italian brand. Mh. 471 00:17:45,157 --> 00:17:48,034 And it is italy incredibly s productive. Mh. 472 00:17:48,193 --> 00:17:50,738 And, you know, you're you're sitting in in 473 00:17:50,738 --> 00:17:51,715 the mediterranean 474 00:17:52,487 --> 00:17:54,419 sunlight, and you're sipping a camp, 475 00:17:54,952 --> 00:17:56,088 and you just 476 00:17:56,558 --> 00:17:58,386 walked out of a church and and seen 477 00:17:58,386 --> 00:18:00,692 the most magnificent art in the world. Also 478 00:18:00,692 --> 00:18:03,713 majestic. And and you are you are seduced. 479 00:18:03,873 --> 00:18:05,860 There's that moment where you are seduced. Yeah. 480 00:18:06,194 --> 00:18:08,608 And then there are these other moments where 481 00:18:08,666 --> 00:18:11,138 it is incredibly frustrating. You're on the line 482 00:18:11,138 --> 00:18:13,153 and you're waiting to be served and 483 00:18:13,610 --> 00:18:16,016 and somebody else gets served. And you can't 484 00:18:16,016 --> 00:18:18,008 say anything about it. Right. Right. Mh. 485 00:18:18,565 --> 00:18:21,751 Because so everyone knows exactly why That they 486 00:18:21,751 --> 00:18:25,112 obviously have Bella Gu. And you don't. Right? 487 00:18:26,626 --> 00:18:28,458 And in a way, that's the rule, the 488 00:18:28,458 --> 00:18:31,008 prevailing rule over the other? That is the 489 00:18:31,008 --> 00:18:33,558 ultimate rule. Yeah. Right. That there that there 490 00:18:33,558 --> 00:18:35,728 are no rules for some people. Right. Right. 491 00:18:36,047 --> 00:18:37,006 Very interesting. Yeah. 492 00:18:38,044 --> 00:18:40,281 And we all know this to some degree, 493 00:18:40,441 --> 00:18:43,194 but in Italy, this this issue is prioritized. 494 00:18:43,654 --> 00:18:45,575 Right. Right. Yeah. I was quite apparent that 495 00:18:45,575 --> 00:18:47,894 it... That exactly. I think it right. It's 496 00:18:47,894 --> 00:18:48,954 it's a part 497 00:18:49,428 --> 00:18:51,181 of other cultures. It's certainly a part of 498 00:18:51,181 --> 00:18:52,716 the culture of the United States. 499 00:18:53,332 --> 00:18:55,722 Sir it's an aspect of of human human 500 00:18:55,722 --> 00:18:58,073 behavior. Right. But in Italy There's also 501 00:18:58,692 --> 00:19:00,930 culture, especially in larger cities and so on. 502 00:19:01,169 --> 00:19:02,688 You that's Right. You get an italian, 503 00:19:03,487 --> 00:19:05,085 influence of the people who came here from 504 00:19:05,165 --> 00:19:05,485 Italy. 505 00:19:05,978 --> 00:19:07,569 So some of that is coming with the 506 00:19:07,569 --> 00:19:09,262 models and and being, 507 00:19:10,115 --> 00:19:13,394 worked into the local culture here Yeah. The 508 00:19:13,394 --> 00:19:15,631 the joke was... I mentioned Billy Crystal in 509 00:19:15,631 --> 00:19:17,468 this. You know, I think he's he had 510 00:19:17,468 --> 00:19:17,788 this 511 00:19:18,507 --> 00:19:20,438 routine had the stick where he was you're 512 00:19:20,438 --> 00:19:21,337 saying, you know 513 00:19:21,794 --> 00:19:23,788 if you look beautiful, you are beautiful. 514 00:19:24,506 --> 00:19:25,942 When he was doing, yes. He was doing 515 00:19:25,942 --> 00:19:27,138 a thing on Saturday night law. 516 00:19:28,414 --> 00:19:32,251 Yes Right. Yep. And But this this is 517 00:19:32,251 --> 00:19:32,648 pervasive. 518 00:19:33,284 --> 00:19:36,305 Mu, the story goes when he was 519 00:19:36,941 --> 00:19:37,997 you know, dictator 520 00:19:38,372 --> 00:19:39,087 during the war, 521 00:19:39,740 --> 00:19:43,119 in order to impress of the populace 522 00:19:43,500 --> 00:19:45,580 of his power and his authority. 523 00:19:46,140 --> 00:19:48,640 He had these meager soldiers 524 00:19:49,430 --> 00:19:50,700 just a handful of soldiers, 525 00:19:51,652 --> 00:19:54,589 walking through the square and walking behind the 526 00:19:54,589 --> 00:19:56,907 square where he was making his address and 527 00:19:56,907 --> 00:19:58,501 coming out again on the other side of 528 00:19:58,501 --> 00:20:00,493 a square to walk through. So it looked 529 00:20:00,493 --> 00:20:03,043 like there were hundreds of soldiers walking through. 530 00:20:03,361 --> 00:20:05,194 Yeah. But it was only the same 20 531 00:20:05,194 --> 00:20:07,440 guys who was just But look good, But 532 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,390 it looked looks there go. So if we 533 00:20:10,390 --> 00:20:12,782 make it look good, it is... That's the 534 00:20:12,782 --> 00:20:14,217 game. Yeah. Yeah. 535 00:20:15,429 --> 00:20:16,568 And you'll see that 536 00:20:17,106 --> 00:20:20,222 Yeah yeah. All time. Yes. Well, ultimately, that's 537 00:20:20,222 --> 00:20:21,260 the problem. You know? 538 00:20:22,073 --> 00:20:24,698 Some great Italian author wrote a book about 539 00:20:24,698 --> 00:20:27,401 this, and it's called the italians. And and 540 00:20:27,401 --> 00:20:28,197 and he says, 541 00:20:29,549 --> 00:20:29,867 you know, 542 00:20:30,759 --> 00:20:33,480 this the the sad fact is that 543 00:20:33,799 --> 00:20:36,119 Italians don't solve the problems. 544 00:20:36,759 --> 00:20:39,559 They simply dress them up and decorate them. 545 00:20:40,848 --> 00:20:44,028 And so you are seduced by it's beautiful 546 00:20:44,028 --> 00:20:46,492 because they look great. They look great, but 547 00:20:46,492 --> 00:20:48,718 the problem when they taste great. Problems whatever 548 00:20:48,718 --> 00:20:51,612 they are. Economic, political, whatever right social 549 00:20:52,063 --> 00:20:53,569 they're there. Yeah. Right. And, of course, when 550 00:20:53,569 --> 00:20:55,550 that's taken to extremes, like with You need 551 00:20:55,550 --> 00:20:58,107 that becomes very dangerous. Yeah. And, obviously, as 552 00:20:58,107 --> 00:20:59,857 you were saying, you know, it it that 553 00:20:59,857 --> 00:21:01,369 happens here in the Us as well. Well, 554 00:21:01,448 --> 00:21:03,756 it does dressing things and when does that. 555 00:21:03,915 --> 00:21:06,159 And, you know, being being the maverick. I 556 00:21:06,159 --> 00:21:06,979 think the phrase 557 00:21:07,438 --> 00:21:09,356 the gray. The phrase that this offer used 558 00:21:09,356 --> 00:21:09,596 was, 559 00:21:11,274 --> 00:21:13,192 italians don't solve the problems of life, we 560 00:21:13,192 --> 00:21:15,270 merely decorate them. Mh. Mh. 561 00:21:16,005 --> 00:21:17,765 And they decorate from beautifully fleets, it's the 562 00:21:17,765 --> 00:21:20,164 most Is 1 of the most gorgeous places 563 00:21:20,164 --> 00:21:22,085 in the world. Very much you ensure in 564 00:21:22,085 --> 00:21:23,845 the culture there. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. 565 00:21:30,340 --> 00:21:32,019 You know, the things too about Italy. 566 00:21:32,433 --> 00:21:32,592 Is, 567 00:21:33,307 --> 00:21:34,817 I... I have not been into Southern Italy. 568 00:21:34,976 --> 00:21:37,122 I've been into Northern Italy, and and 569 00:21:38,632 --> 00:21:40,301 it's like you're saying the lovely little town 570 00:21:40,301 --> 00:21:41,176 of Porto fe. 571 00:21:41,984 --> 00:21:44,523 Is it it's just a small. Oh 0 572 00:21:44,523 --> 00:21:47,299 my god. It's it's a it's out of 573 00:21:47,299 --> 00:21:49,615 a story book. Yeah. It's in incredible. It's 574 00:21:49,615 --> 00:21:50,671 a it's fascinating. 575 00:21:51,203 --> 00:21:52,949 It's very small, and it's a little a 576 00:21:52,949 --> 00:21:54,299 little port Porto. 577 00:21:54,775 --> 00:21:57,156 It's a little port in there, and it... 578 00:21:57,568 --> 00:21:59,158 It's so it's not like a major, 579 00:22:00,350 --> 00:22:02,973 influencer in the in the in the in 580 00:22:02,973 --> 00:22:05,531 the area, really or even in the... In 581 00:22:05,531 --> 00:22:07,438 any part of there, but it is in 582 00:22:07,438 --> 00:22:09,424 the sense of it looking so good. 583 00:22:10,139 --> 00:22:12,364 Looking so good. And it makes you feel 584 00:22:12,364 --> 00:22:13,556 so good when you're in there, 585 00:22:14,605 --> 00:22:17,627 and and that is... That's huge. There was 586 00:22:17,627 --> 00:22:18,446 an ambassador 587 00:22:19,139 --> 00:22:20,785 to, the United States 588 00:22:21,782 --> 00:22:24,417 on his first posting in an Italian ambassador, 589 00:22:24,816 --> 00:22:26,094 and he came to New York, 590 00:22:26,732 --> 00:22:27,232 and 591 00:22:27,850 --> 00:22:29,925 he was invited out to a dinner, and 592 00:22:29,925 --> 00:22:30,896 he was shocked. 593 00:22:31,453 --> 00:22:34,077 This is an Italian dinner in a restaurant. 594 00:22:34,474 --> 00:22:36,939 He was shocked at the espresso that was 595 00:22:36,939 --> 00:22:38,784 served at the end of the meal had 596 00:22:38,784 --> 00:22:40,300 a lemon peel floating in. 597 00:22:41,657 --> 00:22:42,854 And he said, what is this? 598 00:22:43,573 --> 00:22:46,366 You know, we we don't have espresso with 599 00:22:46,366 --> 00:22:46,925 lemon peels. 600 00:22:47,497 --> 00:22:49,407 Because he was from the north of of 601 00:22:49,486 --> 00:22:51,657 Italy. He was from the ari 602 00:22:52,509 --> 00:22:52,747 in the 603 00:22:53,782 --> 00:22:56,426 Or or the or the... In in the 604 00:22:56,585 --> 00:22:58,577 Venice region, I don't remember exactly where his 605 00:22:58,577 --> 00:22:59,215 family was from. 606 00:23:00,092 --> 00:23:01,980 And in the north, you don't because it 607 00:23:02,178 --> 00:23:03,768 you don't have lemon trees the way you 608 00:23:03,768 --> 00:23:05,993 have them in sizzle or in the south 609 00:23:06,232 --> 00:23:09,752 Okay. More mediterranean climate. Yeah. But the italian 610 00:23:10,126 --> 00:23:12,527 immigration to the United states was mainly from 611 00:23:12,686 --> 00:23:15,630 Southern Italy, not from Northern. Oh, yeah. Okay. 612 00:23:15,948 --> 00:23:18,199 So what Americans associate 613 00:23:19,229 --> 00:23:23,464 Italian traditions are usually southern Italian traditions. Not 614 00:23:23,464 --> 00:23:23,964 all 615 00:23:24,344 --> 00:23:27,141 immigrants, but most during the great migrations Right. 616 00:23:27,381 --> 00:23:28,020 Into America. 617 00:23:28,752 --> 00:23:31,298 So, they were mainly from Southern Italy. So, 618 00:23:31,696 --> 00:23:34,480 of course, in cities like New York and 619 00:23:34,798 --> 00:23:35,116 Chicago, 620 00:23:35,689 --> 00:23:37,842 where you have the Italian influence, it was 621 00:23:37,842 --> 00:23:41,033 southern Italian influence, and everybody drinks their espresso 622 00:23:41,033 --> 00:23:42,069 with a lemon peel in it. 623 00:23:42,867 --> 00:23:45,021 U. But he had to come to America. 624 00:23:45,673 --> 00:23:48,298 To ask what is this? We we've experienced 625 00:23:48,298 --> 00:23:50,367 it. Right to even experience it, and he 626 00:23:50,367 --> 00:23:51,583 was he was from 627 00:23:51,958 --> 00:23:54,345 from Italy. He was Italian born. Sure. Yeah. 628 00:23:54,678 --> 00:23:55,155 Interesting. Sure. 629 00:23:55,949 --> 00:23:57,379 It's... I would like some lemon peel and 630 00:23:57,379 --> 00:23:59,206 my espresso. It sounds like. Oh, we'll we'll 631 00:23:59,206 --> 00:24:00,636 get some for you right now. I... If 632 00:24:00,636 --> 00:24:01,986 you could right now. Sure. Let me get 633 00:24:01,986 --> 00:24:03,432 some of the people here to to get 634 00:24:03,432 --> 00:24:04,706 pick it up for you. Okay? Thank you. 635 00:24:04,945 --> 00:24:07,173 Let's get a, like, a licensing or legal 636 00:24:07,173 --> 00:24:09,084 or whatever the department's called. That's right Get 637 00:24:09,084 --> 00:24:10,915 legal. Not don't do anything else. So they 638 00:24:10,915 --> 00:24:12,598 to help me out with that. We're not 639 00:24:12,598 --> 00:24:14,504 gonna be singing, but there's no guarantee of 640 00:24:14,504 --> 00:24:17,522 that. No. Definitely not. But. Anyway, you were 641 00:24:17,522 --> 00:24:20,634 in... You not recent. Right? You were recently 642 00:24:20,634 --> 00:24:23,515 in other parts of italy too. Weren't you 643 00:24:24,048 --> 00:24:26,056 in Venice, Venice and Venice... 644 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,160 Yeah, In the North. No, in the north. 645 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,000 I wanna... Oh, but then also we were 646 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,160 in Sa. Sa. I thought you were on 647 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:33,720 a separate trip. 648 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,539 And okay. The... Sa 649 00:24:37,173 --> 00:24:38,309 usually not 650 00:24:38,764 --> 00:24:39,639 an area that 651 00:24:40,674 --> 00:24:43,459 that that tourists, and and even in business 652 00:24:43,459 --> 00:24:45,607 people too unless you have some very specific 653 00:24:45,607 --> 00:24:47,857 business, it's a it is it is part 654 00:24:47,857 --> 00:24:49,455 of Italy, but it's a it's an island. 655 00:24:49,775 --> 00:24:51,692 Right. Off the coast. Mh, a a very 656 00:24:51,692 --> 00:24:53,690 large island and well off the coast. Mh. 657 00:24:54,342 --> 00:24:56,011 So it's not part of mainland, Italy. 658 00:24:56,727 --> 00:24:57,124 Mh. Yeah. 659 00:24:57,919 --> 00:25:00,304 And it's a very distinctly different culture because 660 00:25:00,304 --> 00:25:01,360 of that. Mh 661 00:25:02,069 --> 00:25:04,567 more of of a culture that was determined 662 00:25:05,825 --> 00:25:08,782 that that that results from a mix of 663 00:25:08,942 --> 00:25:09,342 Spanish. 664 00:25:11,751 --> 00:25:13,898 Northern Italian, southern Italian, 665 00:25:15,012 --> 00:25:15,512 malt, 666 00:25:16,125 --> 00:25:16,761 even. Mh. 667 00:25:17,795 --> 00:25:18,772 So it's a very 668 00:25:19,465 --> 00:25:21,158 unique mix, and they 669 00:25:21,547 --> 00:25:23,240 a a lot of folks there 670 00:25:23,774 --> 00:25:26,001 trace their Italian heritage, but they also straight 671 00:25:26,001 --> 00:25:29,795 trace their Spanish heritage. They cut catalan, Here 672 00:25:29,993 --> 00:25:32,380 job from the from the Northeast coast of 673 00:25:32,539 --> 00:25:33,335 Spain. Mh. 674 00:25:33,892 --> 00:25:35,824 There's a town in Sa, 675 00:25:36,756 --> 00:25:37,472 A alfredo. 676 00:25:39,159 --> 00:25:41,497 It looks like a town on the 677 00:25:42,116 --> 00:25:42,676 on the, 678 00:25:43,395 --> 00:25:45,473 northeastern eastern coast of Spain. 679 00:25:46,032 --> 00:25:48,770 Okay. And they speak a dialect of Italian 680 00:25:49,244 --> 00:25:52,278 which sounds more span more catalan and more 681 00:25:52,437 --> 00:25:53,555 Spanish than Italian. 682 00:25:54,832 --> 00:25:56,988 Because all of those people came from Spain, 683 00:25:57,307 --> 00:26:00,355 not from Italy. Sure. Yeah. Very unique and 684 00:26:00,355 --> 00:26:02,669 beautiful island. Mh. Sa. Nice. 685 00:26:03,308 --> 00:26:05,382 Nice. Okay. Yeah. Go. I just looked it. 686 00:26:05,622 --> 00:26:06,180 Yeah. Yeah. 687 00:26:06,753 --> 00:26:08,819 Was there a an experience that you had 688 00:26:08,819 --> 00:26:09,931 there that stood out 689 00:26:10,726 --> 00:26:12,156 that you can recall at this point? In 690 00:26:12,236 --> 00:26:12,736 A? 691 00:26:13,666 --> 00:26:14,381 Or in Sa? 692 00:26:15,017 --> 00:26:17,971 Didn't... In hold on. Yeah. Take 3. 693 00:26:19,083 --> 00:26:19,242 Action. 694 00:26:19,957 --> 00:26:20,751 Never mind. Go ahead. 695 00:26:23,309 --> 00:26:25,852 I wanted to buy a bottle of this 696 00:26:25,852 --> 00:26:26,352 local, 697 00:26:27,361 --> 00:26:27,861 liqueur 698 00:26:28,474 --> 00:26:29,530 called mer. 699 00:26:31,108 --> 00:26:31,608 Mer, 700 00:26:32,852 --> 00:26:34,674 I guess it was... You could say it 701 00:26:34,674 --> 00:26:36,814 was the Italian translation for Myrtle. 702 00:26:37,861 --> 00:26:40,322 But it's... I... As I understand, it's not 703 00:26:40,322 --> 00:26:43,181 just made from myrtle leaves from the Myrtle 704 00:26:43,181 --> 00:26:45,722 tree. Mh. But it's made from, 705 00:26:47,329 --> 00:26:48,148 the brush 706 00:26:48,607 --> 00:26:51,643 that covers most of the island, Mh. Which 707 00:26:51,643 --> 00:26:52,942 is kind of a spicy, 708 00:26:54,611 --> 00:26:57,466 fragrance has a beautiful spicy fragrance to it. 709 00:26:58,180 --> 00:26:59,766 Anyway, walked into this shop, 710 00:27:00,797 --> 00:27:03,773 and there were rose a rose of merit 711 00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:04,467 on the shelf. 712 00:27:05,182 --> 00:27:05,682 And 713 00:27:06,296 --> 00:27:08,523 so I wanted to get a bottle and 714 00:27:08,523 --> 00:27:09,001 move on, 715 00:27:09,970 --> 00:27:11,957 because it was not just myself, but there 716 00:27:11,957 --> 00:27:13,705 was... We were traveling with friends, 717 00:27:14,341 --> 00:27:16,408 and they were being patient with me while 718 00:27:16,487 --> 00:27:17,997 I went into the store to by the 719 00:27:17,997 --> 00:27:20,801 bottle. And bring it back. Mh And I 720 00:27:20,801 --> 00:27:23,591 was, I guess, sending off impatient fives. 721 00:27:24,388 --> 00:27:27,595 Okay. And the store keeper was becoming very 722 00:27:27,595 --> 00:27:30,634 very impatient with me. Oh, dear. And this 723 00:27:30,634 --> 00:27:32,795 doesn't sound like it's going well. Well, mh. 724 00:27:33,434 --> 00:27:35,609 Actually, it it did... It it It all 725 00:27:35,609 --> 00:27:37,470 turned out. Okay. A few. But 726 00:27:37,769 --> 00:27:40,169 the more impatient... A cliff hanger they for. 727 00:27:40,650 --> 00:27:43,222 I really remember More impatient I became the 728 00:27:43,222 --> 00:27:45,839 more insist he was that I taste the 729 00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:46,553 myrtle fast. 730 00:27:48,218 --> 00:27:49,725 And he happened to have a bottle that 731 00:27:49,725 --> 00:27:52,126 was open already. To have 1. Yes. I 732 00:27:52,126 --> 00:27:54,520 mean, this was the... It was, like, it 733 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:55,339 was difficult 734 00:27:56,276 --> 00:27:59,898 to just have a transaction. Yes. This was 735 00:27:59,953 --> 00:28:00,453 because 736 00:28:01,302 --> 00:28:02,596 transactions without a personal 737 00:28:03,048 --> 00:28:04,342 relationship. Mh. And 738 00:28:05,508 --> 00:28:06,540 in the Mediterranean. 739 00:28:07,826 --> 00:28:11,245 Are difficult. Mh. On this island off the 740 00:28:11,245 --> 00:28:14,506 coast of Italy, even more rural and more 741 00:28:14,506 --> 00:28:15,801 separated from 742 00:28:17,780 --> 00:28:18,280 northern 743 00:28:19,210 --> 00:28:22,147 instruments mh. Was even more the case. Mh. 744 00:28:22,386 --> 00:28:24,871 And I was challenging his ability 745 00:28:25,403 --> 00:28:26,380 to actually 746 00:28:27,006 --> 00:28:28,514 behave in a way that was different from 747 00:28:28,514 --> 00:28:30,894 what he was comfortable. Mh. Right. Yeah. Right 748 00:28:30,894 --> 00:28:32,188 yeah. And 749 00:28:33,196 --> 00:28:35,234 and and I realized what was happening of 750 00:28:35,354 --> 00:28:37,341 course. And I was enjoying that that he 751 00:28:37,341 --> 00:28:40,044 was wanting to impress me with the mayor 752 00:28:40,044 --> 00:28:41,736 that I was willing to just buy 753 00:28:42,111 --> 00:28:44,416 un taste it. Mh Sure. Mh. Yeah. Yeah. 754 00:28:44,575 --> 00:28:47,126 Of course And, I finally relaxed with it. 755 00:28:47,284 --> 00:28:49,107 Mh. And I said to myself, well, if 756 00:28:49,107 --> 00:28:51,246 if they're waiting for me outside fine. And 757 00:28:51,246 --> 00:28:52,931 if they're not... I'll figure out where they 758 00:28:52,931 --> 00:28:55,321 went. Yeah. Yeah. When in Sa do is 759 00:28:55,321 --> 00:28:56,596 when do that Exactly. 760 00:28:57,153 --> 00:28:58,826 And 20 minutes later. 761 00:28:59,399 --> 00:29:00,039 Of course. 762 00:29:00,518 --> 00:29:02,596 Because he did have a transactional goal in 763 00:29:02,596 --> 00:29:04,593 mind. Mh. Yeah. That I was to walk 764 00:29:04,593 --> 00:29:06,271 out with not only with the bottle that 765 00:29:06,431 --> 00:29:08,761 I had intended to want. Mh. But with 766 00:29:08,761 --> 00:29:11,313 also several other bottles. Sure. Other things that 767 00:29:11,313 --> 00:29:13,227 he was going to entice me. Of course. 768 00:29:13,626 --> 00:29:15,562 Right? So this was gonna be a grand 769 00:29:15,620 --> 00:29:17,789 experience for both of us. Right going he 770 00:29:17,789 --> 00:29:20,261 was gonna he was going to to to 771 00:29:20,261 --> 00:29:23,212 sell more. Mh. Than I had got intended 772 00:29:23,212 --> 00:29:23,691 to buy. 773 00:29:24,249 --> 00:29:26,243 And I was going to enjoy myself in 774 00:29:26,243 --> 00:29:26,642 the process. 775 00:29:27,614 --> 00:29:29,921 Right? Right? Right? Win win. Okay. I mean, 776 00:29:30,557 --> 00:29:30,716 Yeah. 777 00:29:31,591 --> 00:29:33,182 And about like a worse thing. Did you 778 00:29:33,182 --> 00:29:35,330 buy more bottles? I did. There was day 779 00:29:35,330 --> 00:29:37,500 go. I did And I walked out with 780 00:29:37,500 --> 00:29:37,819 3, 781 00:29:38,619 --> 00:29:39,019 and, 782 00:29:40,299 --> 00:29:43,019 Cheryl, and our friends were not around in 783 00:29:43,019 --> 00:29:45,099 the square. Mh. I I think they made 784 00:29:45,099 --> 00:29:47,025 the had actually flown back to the United 785 00:29:47,264 --> 00:29:49,571 States. Give me I made the correct judgment 786 00:29:49,571 --> 00:29:51,241 call that Dean is in the wine shop. 787 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,403 And we like how Not not that's gonna 788 00:29:53,403 --> 00:29:56,343 be a while. Yeah. Actually, 20 minutes is 789 00:29:56,343 --> 00:29:58,408 pretty good. Not not terrible. Yeah. I just 790 00:29:58,408 --> 00:30:00,792 looked up Mir. Yeah. MIRT0 791 00:30:00,792 --> 00:30:02,560 for those yes no. Yeah. How to spell 792 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,713 it Yeah. In that does it's is it 793 00:30:04,713 --> 00:30:07,345 a myrtle based... From the myrtle plant, which 794 00:30:07,345 --> 00:30:09,896 is... Yes. Grows freely inserted you. That's right. 795 00:30:10,710 --> 00:30:10,950 Nice. 796 00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:14,630 Very sweet, very lovely after dinner, liqueur. I 797 00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:15,930 don't believe I've ever 798 00:30:16,390 --> 00:30:18,230 had a had the opportunity To have any 799 00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:20,403 of that. I have not either... Well, there's 800 00:30:20,403 --> 00:30:23,435 a bottle waiting for. Is there? No alright. 801 00:30:24,472 --> 00:30:27,160 Great. Yeah. Excellent. Well, in celebration of our 802 00:30:27,199 --> 00:30:30,617 fiftieth episode? No. Sure. Happy fiftieth. Happy fiftieth. 803 00:30:30,777 --> 00:30:32,366 And let let's break that open right now. 804 00:30:32,526 --> 00:30:34,036 Okay. Right? Here we go. And there it 805 00:30:34,036 --> 00:30:34,195 is. 806 00:30:35,244 --> 00:30:36,520 I don't know if it that actually has 807 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,035 a quirk like that and it would there 808 00:30:38,035 --> 00:30:40,348 it does it does. Yeah. And or now 809 00:30:40,348 --> 00:30:42,182 it doesn't, actually, because it can popping out. 810 00:30:42,422 --> 00:30:43,698 So I have a question. Do we have 811 00:30:43,698 --> 00:30:45,147 more to talk about with Italy do we 812 00:30:45,147 --> 00:30:46,179 need a a part 2? 813 00:30:47,132 --> 00:30:48,958 There's always more to talk about. I would 814 00:30:48,958 --> 00:30:49,776 think Italy. 815 00:30:50,308 --> 00:30:52,055 I feel like there's so much there so 816 00:30:52,055 --> 00:30:52,555 much 817 00:30:53,024 --> 00:30:53,684 We do. 818 00:30:55,505 --> 00:30:57,664 Go on. Absolutely. Great. I think so too. 819 00:30:58,304 --> 00:30:58,804 Buenos 820 00:30:59,264 --> 00:31:00,784 until next time. There you go. Here we 821 00:31:00,784 --> 00:31:02,637 go Alright. Child child babies. 822 00:31:05,754 --> 00:31:07,192 I think it's time to get out right 823 00:31:07,192 --> 00:31:08,651 now. Yeah. Yeah. So 824 00:31:09,284 --> 00:31:10,180 as always 825 00:31:10,871 --> 00:31:11,609 Ciao bella. 826 00:31:12,617 --> 00:31:14,998 Okay. Here we go. Here he's not too 827 00:31:14,998 --> 00:31:17,319 much, Better. Yeah. I'll watch too much. Shit 828 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,559 He's bus wrong in the ball for himself. 829 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:20,359 He's. 830 00:31:22,599 --> 00:31:24,694 I wonder what that Iv hook up there. 831 00:31:24,934 --> 00:31:26,214 I Is really do it. 832 00:31:27,734 --> 00:31:28,694 So you know what, Dean? 833 00:31:29,734 --> 00:31:30,134 Oops. 834 00:31:30,934 --> 00:31:32,214 Your culture showing. 835 00:31:33,255 --> 00:31:33,414 Hey. 836 00:31:34,306 --> 00:31:34,704 Smell you. 837 00:31:45,787 --> 00:31:47,620 Before you run off and disappear back into 838 00:31:47,620 --> 00:31:48,735 your own cultures. 839 00:31:49,307 --> 00:31:51,374 Let me give you some information about something 840 00:31:51,374 --> 00:31:53,361 we really want you to know, and that's 841 00:31:53,361 --> 00:31:54,950 how to get hold of us. 842 00:31:55,745 --> 00:31:58,868 Give us your question, your comments, anything along 843 00:31:58,868 --> 00:32:02,218 those lines By email, it's oops, 844 00:32:02,776 --> 00:32:06,126 culture show at gmail dot com, and be 845 00:32:06,126 --> 00:32:08,368 sure to follow us on whenever social media 846 00:32:08,368 --> 00:32:10,991 you use at oops Culture show. 847 00:32:11,707 --> 00:32:11,945 Thanks. 848 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:16,055 Ios