1 00:00:00,119 --> 00:00:02,028 You know, there's... The the body and the 2 00:00:02,028 --> 00:00:03,699 mind is all 1 in the same. It's 3 00:00:03,699 --> 00:00:05,870 been brought together. That's an ancient 4 00:00:06,325 --> 00:00:08,632 division. It's an ancient division, but it also 5 00:00:08,632 --> 00:00:11,039 was in in ancient times. It was also 6 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:11,278 1. 7 00:00:11,916 --> 00:00:13,692 I mean, that was a a the large 8 00:00:13,750 --> 00:00:17,021 discussion in in the conference world. Until classical 9 00:00:17,180 --> 00:00:19,847 Greece. And then and then the Greek philosophies 10 00:00:20,775 --> 00:00:23,656 made this distinction, and then then the enlightenment 11 00:00:23,949 --> 00:00:24,449 all 12 00:00:26,824 --> 00:00:29,725 I dog night. Singing 3 dozen. 13 00:00:30,265 --> 00:00:32,104 That's 3 dog night. 1, you were saying 14 00:00:32,104 --> 00:00:34,024 1. I know that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. 15 00:00:34,359 --> 00:00:36,342 And they're australian, So they fit right into 16 00:00:36,342 --> 00:00:36,842 our 17 00:00:37,374 --> 00:00:40,310 different cultures. Different cultures and music, and there's 18 00:00:40,310 --> 00:00:41,659 an incredible project. 19 00:00:42,136 --> 00:00:45,576 Where this scientific study, this group came out 20 00:00:45,576 --> 00:00:48,368 with the conclusion after God knows how many 21 00:00:48,368 --> 00:00:51,399 millions of dollars and how much research. Around 22 00:00:51,399 --> 00:00:52,890 the world, Of course. That 23 00:00:53,326 --> 00:00:55,175 cultures do music differently. 24 00:00:56,024 --> 00:00:57,953 And that music apparently 25 00:00:58,722 --> 00:01:00,333 is something that is 26 00:01:01,024 --> 00:01:04,321 innate to to human nature. And 27 00:01:05,014 --> 00:01:06,684 I'm reading this and I'm saying to myself, 28 00:01:07,081 --> 00:01:09,467 why am I wasting my time? Exactly. Reading 29 00:01:09,467 --> 00:01:09,920 this 30 00:01:10,831 --> 00:01:11,307 discovery. 31 00:01:11,704 --> 00:01:13,290 This is, like, yeah yeah. This is, like, 32 00:01:13,448 --> 00:01:16,224 when Europeans quote unquote, discovered America. Right. 33 00:01:17,017 --> 00:01:19,419 Right. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. I'm sorry. You don't 34 00:01:19,419 --> 00:01:21,173 count. We have discovered lab music. 35 00:01:21,970 --> 00:01:24,384 Right. We have discovered music. And 36 00:01:25,399 --> 00:01:26,355 what lot that? 37 00:01:27,088 --> 00:01:29,004 Didn't... It it... I I know the article 38 00:01:29,004 --> 00:01:31,158 you're referring to, and and I'm pretty sure 39 00:01:31,158 --> 00:01:33,393 they were convinced that it it is kind 40 00:01:33,393 --> 00:01:36,201 of a universal thing. Music. And and they 41 00:01:36,201 --> 00:01:37,797 had to spend God knows how many hundreds 42 00:01:37,797 --> 00:01:40,351 of thousands lu are searching this. Thank God. 43 00:01:40,511 --> 00:01:42,426 They figured that out. And discovered that different 44 00:01:42,426 --> 00:01:42,926 cultures 45 00:01:43,398 --> 00:01:44,136 had different 46 00:01:44,667 --> 00:01:45,485 interpretation... Different 47 00:01:46,096 --> 00:01:46,413 interpretations. 48 00:01:47,365 --> 00:01:49,508 I'm, you know, I'm I refuse to believe 49 00:01:49,508 --> 00:01:51,350 it. Okay. As some... I think it's just 50 00:01:51,350 --> 00:01:53,259 a gigantic waste of money. It's the conspiracy. 51 00:01:53,736 --> 00:01:55,508 This is not true. Clearly. 52 00:01:55,883 --> 00:01:58,110 We literally ever went to the moon and 53 00:01:58,110 --> 00:02:00,038 the earth is fine. I'm pretty I do 54 00:02:00,038 --> 00:02:01,956 sit now. No. You know, as a social 55 00:02:01,956 --> 00:02:04,853 scientist. Alright? Just kidding my background 56 00:02:05,471 --> 00:02:08,685 ant anthropology mind. Am I. Cultural apologies. I'm 57 00:02:08,685 --> 00:02:10,284 sorry. We're not... We're not ignoring you. 58 00:02:11,004 --> 00:02:12,444 Alright. We are. Who are you? If we 59 00:02:12,444 --> 00:02:12,944 can 60 00:02:13,724 --> 00:02:16,683 And I'm thinking Look, there's there's always merit 61 00:02:16,683 --> 00:02:17,817 in scientifically 62 00:02:18,428 --> 00:02:20,808 explaining something that is innate known to be 63 00:02:20,808 --> 00:02:23,283 true. Right. Right looking into a deep Well. 64 00:02:24,081 --> 00:02:26,654 A lot of times, it's not necessarily true 65 00:02:26,792 --> 00:02:29,902 that everyone understands it. I the music thing 66 00:02:29,902 --> 00:02:32,189 everybody got. You know? I mean, just just 67 00:02:32,388 --> 00:02:33,102 groove baby. 68 00:02:33,816 --> 00:02:35,879 You know, turn it up and groove, 69 00:02:36,434 --> 00:02:38,100 and it's like groove ran out. Moving into 70 00:02:38,100 --> 00:02:39,156 the tune and 71 00:02:39,846 --> 00:02:41,844 unbelievable. And And then there's a part of 72 00:02:41,844 --> 00:02:43,986 me because I've I've been involved in music 73 00:02:43,986 --> 00:02:45,889 in the past. Yeah. Like you know. U. 74 00:02:46,683 --> 00:02:48,586 Play guitar. This is in your Cd day. 75 00:02:49,158 --> 00:02:50,908 Right? And then the... In the early days 76 00:02:50,908 --> 00:02:53,376 when... Very cd. Miss misspelled use Oc ocd, 77 00:02:53,535 --> 00:02:56,161 not like, not compact disc. No. No. Not 78 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:56,479 Cd. 79 00:02:57,275 --> 00:02:59,119 I see. I thought it bet. Some of 80 00:02:59,119 --> 00:03:01,582 couple years before Seating. Got I used to 81 00:03:01,741 --> 00:03:03,330 IIII 82 00:03:03,330 --> 00:03:04,204 was, you know, 83 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,637 earning a living, just singing in some very 84 00:03:07,796 --> 00:03:10,026 Cd clubs in the village in New York. 85 00:03:10,345 --> 00:03:11,698 I was in a few in those clubs 86 00:03:11,698 --> 00:03:13,371 and I'd I I'd take a u bridge. 87 00:03:13,769 --> 00:03:15,680 And I were referring to them as Cd. 88 00:03:16,251 --> 00:03:17,681 I don't think they were that good. 89 00:03:18,952 --> 00:03:19,270 Right. 90 00:03:20,144 --> 00:03:21,653 Interesting. I wanna I I wanna hear more 91 00:03:21,653 --> 00:03:23,480 about that, But also, I I asked who 92 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:25,069 you were and who who are you people? 93 00:03:26,198 --> 00:03:28,434 Well, so we're talking about music. 94 00:03:28,992 --> 00:03:29,812 We're talking 95 00:03:30,190 --> 00:03:32,286 and that that speaks to me at 96 00:03:32,824 --> 00:03:34,740 at various levels. Right. And then we're talking 97 00:03:34,740 --> 00:03:36,766 about culture and the scientific 98 00:03:37,140 --> 00:03:39,126 study that was very about culture. 99 00:03:39,761 --> 00:03:41,985 When... Well, that's because we're talking about culture 100 00:03:41,985 --> 00:03:43,280 right here because 101 00:03:43,828 --> 00:03:44,226 oops, 102 00:03:45,101 --> 00:03:46,373 your culture is showing. 103 00:03:53,556 --> 00:03:56,267 And I'm Tom Peterson. And I'm dean foster. 104 00:03:57,145 --> 00:03:59,857 And I'm To. Hey, Tori. We're here together. 105 00:04:00,016 --> 00:04:03,246 We're all go a just stunned Go smack 106 00:04:03,625 --> 00:04:04,664 to definitely Go. 107 00:04:05,542 --> 00:04:07,594 About the fact that this article was written 108 00:04:08,110 --> 00:04:09,245 with the scientific 109 00:04:10,252 --> 00:04:11,784 discovery, the conclusion 110 00:04:12,315 --> 00:04:15,251 that music is a universal human function and 111 00:04:15,251 --> 00:04:17,259 that are very culture by culture. To give 112 00:04:17,259 --> 00:04:18,560 them credit for 113 00:04:18,939 --> 00:04:20,779 whenever credit they deserve. They, 114 00:04:21,500 --> 00:04:23,154 I believe that was in the New York 115 00:04:23,354 --> 00:04:25,108 times. Am I correct? Well, they reported on 116 00:04:25,108 --> 00:04:26,305 it. I don't think they were in part 117 00:04:26,305 --> 00:04:28,936 of the research. No No. I'm saying The 118 00:04:28,936 --> 00:04:30,930 was. Yes. Yes. Yeah. No. No No. You... 119 00:04:31,089 --> 00:04:32,525 If you have to report on something that 120 00:04:32,525 --> 00:04:35,347 is probably something that everybody's going yeah 121 00:04:35,722 --> 00:04:38,904 about, then you don't need to go into 122 00:04:38,904 --> 00:04:41,235 great depth. So as a cultural list and 123 00:04:41,235 --> 00:04:43,394 as... They did not. And as a musician, 124 00:04:43,954 --> 00:04:45,954 I'm reading this, and I'm going, you know, 125 00:04:46,034 --> 00:04:48,126 this wow is hitting me that This is 126 00:04:48,126 --> 00:04:49,898 actually news. Right. And 127 00:04:50,432 --> 00:04:52,659 and I'm thinking, like I said, all you 128 00:04:52,659 --> 00:04:54,169 have to do is turn it up in 129 00:04:54,169 --> 00:04:56,396 groove baby, and you know this in Innate. 130 00:04:56,953 --> 00:04:59,439 Oh, And and I started while reading the 131 00:04:59,439 --> 00:05:01,592 article, Did you groove? I did. Well, I 132 00:05:01,592 --> 00:05:03,687 started thinking about all the times 133 00:05:04,065 --> 00:05:06,936 in my in my culture work. Mh. That 134 00:05:07,096 --> 00:05:09,129 I've had the the the 135 00:05:09,589 --> 00:05:11,449 incredible pleasure and privilege 136 00:05:11,829 --> 00:05:13,449 of turning it up and g 137 00:05:13,990 --> 00:05:16,149 to the to the music of wherever I 138 00:05:16,149 --> 00:05:18,395 was. Sure. And I'll be the first 1 139 00:05:18,395 --> 00:05:19,904 up on The dance floor and just about 140 00:05:19,904 --> 00:05:22,526 it anywhere. You know? Yeah I I can't 141 00:05:22,526 --> 00:05:24,170 vouch for the... Yes. Yeah. Es can I 142 00:05:24,369 --> 00:05:26,367 Yeah Got and but you gotta beat me 143 00:05:26,367 --> 00:05:29,404 to it? So. Well, I... Remember 1 time, 144 00:05:29,644 --> 00:05:32,222 Tom, when you and I, we were all 145 00:05:32,361 --> 00:05:35,570 actually in Mexico. I was Oh, and this 146 00:05:35,570 --> 00:05:39,240 fabulous band gets And they were doing a 147 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,290 really great combination of 148 00:05:41,964 --> 00:05:45,218 indigenous music. Mh. From the local area, 149 00:05:45,853 --> 00:05:49,686 and also some just well known groovy 150 00:05:50,550 --> 00:05:53,728 Mexican tunes. Mh. And did I say groovy? 151 00:05:54,204 --> 00:05:55,872 Ruby group Kinda know how old I am. 152 00:05:56,031 --> 00:05:56,190 Well, 153 00:05:57,541 --> 00:05:59,209 So I've been doing this for tally up 154 00:05:59,209 --> 00:06:00,360 a peace sign do 155 00:06:00,819 --> 00:06:01,060 great. 156 00:06:02,259 --> 00:06:02,759 And 157 00:06:03,379 --> 00:06:05,699 I wanted so to get... I I was 158 00:06:05,699 --> 00:06:07,460 grieving and I wanted so to get up 159 00:06:07,460 --> 00:06:07,860 and dance. 160 00:06:08,752 --> 00:06:11,293 Except that this was after 2 tequila and 161 00:06:11,293 --> 00:06:14,653 a Havana cigar. Right. Yeah. And I do 162 00:06:14,708 --> 00:06:16,456 remember trying to get up out of a 163 00:06:16,456 --> 00:06:18,957 chair, and I could not. You could 164 00:06:19,491 --> 00:06:21,798 And and I I believe we offered that 165 00:06:21,798 --> 00:06:24,264 perhaps that was okay. Right. I was I 166 00:06:24,264 --> 00:06:26,903 do recall this. Yeah. Yeah. Because see wouldn't 167 00:06:26,903 --> 00:06:28,653 ended well. I don't think. But I was 168 00:06:28,812 --> 00:06:30,323 I was definitely grew. You were g in 169 00:06:30,323 --> 00:06:32,311 the chair. Yeah. Yeah. You were just grew 170 00:06:32,311 --> 00:06:33,742 to it in the chair. Well, you thought 171 00:06:33,742 --> 00:06:35,768 you were. We we'll give you give you 172 00:06:35,903 --> 00:06:37,413 expanding as long as you're proven, That's what's 173 00:06:37,413 --> 00:06:39,321 important. I can't see I always couple the 174 00:06:39,321 --> 00:06:42,999 tequila already myself, and therefore, my remembering 175 00:06:43,453 --> 00:06:43,953 it 176 00:06:44,423 --> 00:06:46,658 might be a little foggy. I recall this 177 00:06:46,658 --> 00:06:48,734 all quite clearly because I was what 16, 178 00:06:48,973 --> 00:06:51,208 something like that. So I was not ind 179 00:06:51,208 --> 00:06:53,855 any to know. No. No. Emotional or anything. 180 00:06:54,094 --> 00:06:56,404 Hughes at the Havana cigar. Of course. He 181 00:06:56,404 --> 00:06:58,498 was just watching he he was just watching 182 00:06:58,555 --> 00:07:00,387 smoking. He was just watching the grown ups 183 00:07:00,387 --> 00:07:01,445 make fools of. 184 00:07:02,060 --> 00:07:04,060 Know rolling his eyes regularly. 185 00:07:04,536 --> 00:07:06,441 Leave Constantly. Because that's what you do. Mh. 186 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:08,187 And I I did it quite well. Yeah. 187 00:07:08,426 --> 00:07:11,298 Yeah. At anyway, but it raises it raised 188 00:07:11,298 --> 00:07:12,887 the point and it made me realize you 189 00:07:12,887 --> 00:07:15,666 know that you don't need the lubricant. You 190 00:07:15,666 --> 00:07:18,127 don't necessarily need the alcohol of the drugs 191 00:07:18,127 --> 00:07:20,050 or whatever. Right. So to groove in... Did 192 00:07:20,050 --> 00:07:21,402 you define the lubricant for? 193 00:07:22,596 --> 00:07:25,085 And and that to this articles 194 00:07:27,624 --> 00:07:28,580 intent I suppose. Mh. 195 00:07:29,855 --> 00:07:31,846 I... You know, it made me realize also 196 00:07:31,846 --> 00:07:34,178 that there were a lot of places and 197 00:07:34,315 --> 00:07:36,899 situations that I've been in where. Music was 198 00:07:37,272 --> 00:07:37,511 was... 199 00:07:38,384 --> 00:07:41,560 It it it it wasn't affected by that 200 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:43,307 because drinking was not allowed. 201 00:07:44,519 --> 00:07:47,475 Sure I remember getting up and dancing at 202 00:07:47,475 --> 00:07:50,671 this fantastic wedding that I was invited to 203 00:07:50,671 --> 00:07:51,790 in Cairo. Mh. 204 00:07:52,444 --> 00:07:52,944 And 205 00:07:53,321 --> 00:07:55,792 getting alcohol in Egypt, it it's not as 206 00:07:55,792 --> 00:07:56,292 profoundly 207 00:07:56,909 --> 00:07:58,344 illegal as it is in other parts in 208 00:07:58,344 --> 00:08:01,156 the Middle East. Mh. You can. And there's 209 00:08:01,549 --> 00:08:04,426 there's secular stores that that sell it. But 210 00:08:04,426 --> 00:08:06,823 it's not common. Right? Right. And so here 211 00:08:06,983 --> 00:08:09,141 I am at this wonderful wedding I was 212 00:08:09,141 --> 00:08:09,860 invited to a attend. 213 00:08:10,832 --> 00:08:14,262 And the music is incredible, and and and 214 00:08:14,262 --> 00:08:16,017 there's tremendous dancing going on, 215 00:08:16,814 --> 00:08:18,011 but there's no alcohol. 216 00:08:18,729 --> 00:08:19,548 Right. And 217 00:08:20,339 --> 00:08:21,773 when I got on the dance floor, 218 00:08:22,728 --> 00:08:23,844 there were also no women. 219 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,291 Mh. Sure. Was just guys dancing 220 00:08:27,906 --> 00:08:29,181 on the guy stage, 221 00:08:29,754 --> 00:08:32,543 Mh. And women were dancing on the women's 222 00:08:32,543 --> 00:08:33,260 stage. Mh. 223 00:08:34,376 --> 00:08:34,876 And 224 00:08:35,253 --> 00:08:37,187 this is speaking to a whole 225 00:08:37,579 --> 00:08:39,331 different aspect of music, 226 00:08:40,048 --> 00:08:42,438 you know, what is its purpose? Mh. I 227 00:08:42,438 --> 00:08:43,872 mean, AAAA 228 00:08:43,872 --> 00:08:45,634 lot of us in the west of thinking, 229 00:08:45,713 --> 00:08:47,298 well, you know, I got to clubs, and 230 00:08:47,457 --> 00:08:49,438 I wanna meet people. This is a way 231 00:08:49,438 --> 00:08:50,944 to connect. This is a way to hook 232 00:08:50,944 --> 00:08:51,102 up. 233 00:08:52,308 --> 00:08:54,620 I'm looking for, you know, something more than 234 00:08:54,620 --> 00:08:57,171 just AAA good time. I really wanna have 235 00:08:57,171 --> 00:08:59,324 a good time with somebody. You know? Sure. 236 00:09:00,614 --> 00:09:02,628 Well, this... That wasn't the purpose at all 237 00:09:02,845 --> 00:09:04,916 at this wedding, and and that's not the 238 00:09:04,916 --> 00:09:06,749 purpose of of getting up on the dance 239 00:09:06,749 --> 00:09:09,856 floor in Cairo at all. Right. Right. Right. 240 00:09:11,541 --> 00:09:13,928 It's it's made a completely different purpose. And 241 00:09:13,928 --> 00:09:14,428 and 242 00:09:14,882 --> 00:09:16,870 Tory didn't you experience something like that in 243 00:09:17,029 --> 00:09:18,143 Jordan? I did. Yeah. 244 00:09:19,034 --> 00:09:20,731 I'm curious to know, Dean at this wedding 245 00:09:20,869 --> 00:09:21,667 in Cairo, 246 00:09:22,306 --> 00:09:23,981 were were the men and women 247 00:09:24,540 --> 00:09:27,028 visible to 1 another? Oh, yes. Okay. Well 248 00:09:27,028 --> 00:09:29,575 yeah. Because in Jordan, sometimes the... Sometimes men 249 00:09:29,575 --> 00:09:31,246 and women could see each other, and, you 250 00:09:31,246 --> 00:09:32,998 know, they'd be in separate areas, and sometimes 251 00:09:32,998 --> 00:09:34,923 they've being completely separate rooms that when be 252 00:09:34,923 --> 00:09:36,832 visible the 1. 1 of the fascinating things 253 00:09:36,832 --> 00:09:39,139 was that it was a very secular setting 254 00:09:39,457 --> 00:09:40,491 In many ways. Mh. 255 00:09:41,525 --> 00:09:44,012 And there wasn't anything... There was a religious 256 00:09:44,012 --> 00:09:46,485 ceremony, but it was before the reception. And 257 00:09:46,485 --> 00:09:47,601 once the reception started, 258 00:09:48,558 --> 00:09:51,404 it was a combination of things that were 259 00:09:51,842 --> 00:09:54,890 uniquely egyptian. Mh. But also very, very 260 00:09:55,266 --> 00:09:57,655 western and familiar to a western nurse, such 261 00:09:57,655 --> 00:09:58,292 as myself. 262 00:10:01,970 --> 00:10:03,962 But still, when it came to getting up 263 00:10:03,962 --> 00:10:06,033 on the dance for and g, Yeah. It 264 00:10:06,033 --> 00:10:07,626 it was it was this way. And with 265 00:10:07,626 --> 00:10:10,271 commonality between cultures, I mean, you know, dancing 266 00:10:10,271 --> 00:10:12,664 at Weddings. Yeah. The dancing is different. The, 267 00:10:12,743 --> 00:10:15,455 you know, the the rituals are are different, 268 00:10:15,774 --> 00:10:17,949 but specifics. Your specifics 269 00:10:18,326 --> 00:10:21,059 become different. Yeah. In the different. But they 270 00:10:21,059 --> 00:10:23,160 do... But... Mean, that's the 271 00:10:23,620 --> 00:10:25,460 similar... The guys when the girls come together, 272 00:10:25,700 --> 00:10:27,940 it would have had a sexual implication, which 273 00:10:27,940 --> 00:10:28,679 in public 274 00:10:28,993 --> 00:10:31,938 in that culture. Mh is not allowed. Right. 275 00:10:32,176 --> 00:10:35,200 Right. Right. Right. But that's totally allowed into 276 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,047 disco in the west. Right That's what it's 277 00:10:37,047 --> 00:10:38,403 all about. A lot of it is before 278 00:10:38,403 --> 00:10:41,034 though. Yeah Some degree at least. Yes. Yeah. 279 00:10:41,274 --> 00:10:43,586 And it's also... It it also takes it 280 00:10:43,586 --> 00:10:45,580 though within... I think that's an interesting point. 281 00:10:45,994 --> 00:10:48,252 I think there's AAA 282 00:10:48,791 --> 00:10:49,291 container 283 00:10:49,670 --> 00:10:51,609 of the cultural impact 284 00:10:51,988 --> 00:10:53,985 on it that that everything else can operate 285 00:10:53,985 --> 00:10:54,465 within. 286 00:10:55,038 --> 00:10:57,428 So that in in a situation where you 287 00:10:57,428 --> 00:10:59,181 can have the mixing of the genders, 288 00:10:59,818 --> 00:11:02,845 then you you have the potential for things 289 00:11:02,845 --> 00:11:03,881 like we're talking about, like, 290 00:11:04,612 --> 00:11:06,364 potential hook up or whatever you... That the 291 00:11:06,364 --> 00:11:08,513 person might have. And that may be the 292 00:11:08,513 --> 00:11:10,504 design in their mind. It may just be 293 00:11:10,504 --> 00:11:11,937 out to have a good time whatever. 294 00:11:13,149 --> 00:11:16,029 And that's all there. But that's not going 295 00:11:16,029 --> 00:11:18,350 to be... That's like, you've already read the 296 00:11:18,350 --> 00:11:20,509 rule book, and the rule book doesn't even 297 00:11:20,509 --> 00:11:23,951 give us that that platform to, almost literally 298 00:11:23,951 --> 00:11:25,248 doesn't give us that platform 299 00:11:25,704 --> 00:11:28,093 to go ahead and and pursue this. So 300 00:11:28,093 --> 00:11:29,766 if we're gonna pursue this, we're gonna pursue 301 00:11:29,766 --> 00:11:30,139 it 302 00:11:30,577 --> 00:11:33,683 I'm assuming, not being from that culture, but 303 00:11:33,762 --> 00:11:35,594 I'm going to assume that basically you're looking 304 00:11:35,594 --> 00:11:38,221 at it as the enjoyment of this. 305 00:11:38,875 --> 00:11:41,115 And the celebration of whatever it is we're 306 00:11:41,115 --> 00:11:43,595 we're we are celebrating. Well, it's not more 307 00:11:43,595 --> 00:11:44,714 of that... But more than that, 308 00:11:45,434 --> 00:11:47,454 I I guess there was a sexual element 309 00:11:47,674 --> 00:11:50,163 to it. But it was different. It was, 310 00:11:50,243 --> 00:11:50,403 like, 311 00:11:51,519 --> 00:11:53,354 like, I I can't speak for the other 312 00:11:53,354 --> 00:11:55,587 guys saw up on the stage, but we're 313 00:11:55,587 --> 00:11:58,001 all kinda, like groove to the music together 314 00:11:58,235 --> 00:11:59,534 as like this 315 00:12:00,075 --> 00:12:02,475 bunch of guys. Yeah. Getting together and just 316 00:12:02,475 --> 00:12:03,514 grew them to the music. 317 00:12:04,235 --> 00:12:05,995 Right? And and it and it was very, 318 00:12:06,154 --> 00:12:07,375 very kinda of macho 319 00:12:07,769 --> 00:12:08,728 in a way. Sure. 320 00:12:10,007 --> 00:12:10,666 There's a 321 00:12:11,045 --> 00:12:13,362 I would think A cam. It was it 322 00:12:13,362 --> 00:12:15,200 comes to... Almost it's almost like a locker 323 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:15,520 of room. 324 00:12:16,331 --> 00:12:18,501 That's right. And where you you don't have 325 00:12:18,876 --> 00:12:19,830 people who are, 326 00:12:21,262 --> 00:12:23,330 necessarily and and honestly, there could be, but, 327 00:12:23,727 --> 00:12:25,570 again, in that culture, you're probably not going 328 00:12:25,570 --> 00:12:27,477 to have anything that's... Well, it's not gonna 329 00:12:27,477 --> 00:12:30,416 be expressed overt. Right. Right. But there... So 330 00:12:30,416 --> 00:12:32,774 there may be attractions, but they're going be 331 00:12:33,531 --> 00:12:35,682 kept on a back burner somewhere. Right. It 332 00:12:35,682 --> 00:12:38,391 it's... However it can't be made public. Exactly. 333 00:12:38,551 --> 00:12:41,737 Right. Right. So... But, otherwise, it is... I 334 00:12:41,737 --> 00:12:43,980 mean, in that the same thing honestly in 335 00:12:43,980 --> 00:12:46,763 the west in in the United States, I 336 00:12:46,763 --> 00:12:48,910 can say in locker rooms for many years, 337 00:12:49,387 --> 00:12:50,261 that's the same rules. 338 00:12:50,912 --> 00:12:52,900 It's the same rules, and it I could 339 00:12:52,900 --> 00:12:54,332 say is that different now, 340 00:12:55,365 --> 00:12:56,558 not that I'm hanging out in a lot 341 00:12:56,558 --> 00:12:59,182 of locker rooms now. But the... But I 342 00:12:59,182 --> 00:13:02,697 think a little bit But overall, it's not 343 00:13:02,697 --> 00:13:04,708 really much different than that. But the musical 344 00:13:04,924 --> 00:13:08,123 expression was different. Absolutely. And and in this 345 00:13:08,123 --> 00:13:09,879 in locker rooms, you know what locker rooms 346 00:13:09,879 --> 00:13:10,996 are filled with now. 347 00:13:11,634 --> 00:13:12,911 They are filled with music. 348 00:13:13,789 --> 00:13:16,440 Often, they are filled with music. And it 349 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,839 is not that uncommon for athletes to be 350 00:13:18,839 --> 00:13:19,899 and team sports 351 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:21,639 to be dancing. Yeah. Exactly. 352 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,087 It So they 2 and following whatever game 353 00:13:25,087 --> 00:13:27,161 they're playing. That at, you know, and I 354 00:13:27,161 --> 00:13:30,191 think in sub cultures within within the Us 355 00:13:30,191 --> 00:13:31,866 certainly. This has always been the case. 356 00:13:32,759 --> 00:13:33,978 But the general 357 00:13:34,357 --> 00:13:34,857 culture... 358 00:13:35,875 --> 00:13:38,113 That was not the case. It was Right 359 00:13:38,113 --> 00:13:38,912 distinctly different. 360 00:13:39,631 --> 00:13:42,595 The experience I had in Cairo from the 361 00:13:42,595 --> 00:13:45,537 experience that was generalized culture in the Us. 362 00:13:45,696 --> 00:13:48,002 Sure. Right. But yeah. Definitely. There was in 363 00:13:48,002 --> 00:13:49,925 some cultures, of course. This is what we 364 00:13:49,925 --> 00:13:52,628 do. Mh. Yeah. Mh. Yeah. That... And that 365 00:13:52,628 --> 00:13:52,946 was, like, 366 00:13:53,900 --> 00:13:55,968 you know, with the realization, having read that 367 00:13:55,968 --> 00:13:58,452 article also was the fact that news... What 368 00:13:58,452 --> 00:14:01,666 is music's function? Is it is it to 369 00:14:03,241 --> 00:14:05,897 to bring people together? Is it to 370 00:14:06,768 --> 00:14:09,632 soothe the baby with a lull eye To 371 00:14:09,632 --> 00:14:11,541 go to sleep. I tell all these it. 372 00:14:11,780 --> 00:14:13,451 Right. At yeah. And all of these things 373 00:14:13,451 --> 00:14:17,134 are human needs. Absolutely. Right? Very deep core. 374 00:14:17,455 --> 00:14:19,634 Is? Is it a spiritual 375 00:14:20,014 --> 00:14:21,315 Yes. Experience 376 00:14:22,254 --> 00:14:22,735 chanting. 377 00:14:23,626 --> 00:14:26,513 Singing and choir, listening to 378 00:14:28,479 --> 00:14:30,013 to music that is 379 00:14:30,565 --> 00:14:32,884 specifically designed to take you to a different 380 00:14:32,884 --> 00:14:35,125 place. It can be, but I think that 381 00:14:35,125 --> 00:14:37,044 can also be in the ear of the 382 00:14:37,044 --> 00:14:37,445 listener. 383 00:14:38,019 --> 00:14:40,039 I mean, it can be something that isn't 384 00:14:40,100 --> 00:14:43,139 necessarily designed that way, and and it can 385 00:14:43,139 --> 00:14:45,559 re... It can have that kind of reaction 386 00:14:45,714 --> 00:14:47,634 out of an individual. I'm not talking about 387 00:14:47,634 --> 00:14:49,095 a the general populace 388 00:14:49,554 --> 00:14:51,475 about the kind of music. I think, yes, 389 00:14:51,634 --> 00:14:53,814 there was music that is really designed 390 00:14:54,129 --> 00:14:55,884 for a spiritual aspect. 391 00:14:56,442 --> 00:14:57,819 But there is also 392 00:14:58,516 --> 00:15:01,706 stuff that is, like, pop, and, pop that 393 00:15:01,706 --> 00:15:03,642 that... And the pop culture of music 394 00:15:04,113 --> 00:15:06,896 is... But it can be very moving, and 395 00:15:06,896 --> 00:15:09,201 it can be incredibly moving to certain people, 396 00:15:10,155 --> 00:15:12,460 and especially if it's the music that you 397 00:15:12,460 --> 00:15:13,278 went through 398 00:15:13,589 --> 00:15:16,865 like your teenage years with that was popular 399 00:15:16,865 --> 00:15:18,542 at the tone. So does it bring back 400 00:15:18,542 --> 00:15:21,592 certain memories staying that kind of thing Mh. 401 00:15:21,832 --> 00:15:24,067 In people. And I... Then I think that 402 00:15:24,067 --> 00:15:26,461 leap lends itself to the definition of spiritual. 403 00:15:26,621 --> 00:15:28,537 Yeah. So you if you'll if you groove 404 00:15:28,537 --> 00:15:30,785 to the music that you remember when you 405 00:15:30,785 --> 00:15:31,423 were young, 406 00:15:32,379 --> 00:15:34,770 and you do so at 60 and 70 407 00:15:34,770 --> 00:15:37,321 and 80. Yeah. You kinda stay young. 408 00:15:37,813 --> 00:15:39,877 You know, and and that's a purpose and 409 00:15:39,877 --> 00:15:42,123 that's part of its purpose too. It brings 410 00:15:42,179 --> 00:15:43,449 back there. Yeah. Oh, yeah. 411 00:15:44,084 --> 00:15:45,671 It's... It it's... It... I mean, it's a 412 00:15:45,671 --> 00:15:46,171 memory 413 00:15:47,278 --> 00:15:47,778 preserve 414 00:15:48,156 --> 00:15:50,470 in many ways because you will hear songs, 415 00:15:50,949 --> 00:15:52,625 maybe something you haven't heard in quite a 416 00:15:52,625 --> 00:15:54,914 while, and it will bring back thought 417 00:15:55,513 --> 00:15:56,890 It's just a different cultures 418 00:15:57,666 --> 00:15:58,166 prioritize 419 00:15:59,022 --> 00:16:01,654 the the the purpose of music in different 420 00:16:01,654 --> 00:16:04,207 ways. Mh. But but we all have these 421 00:16:04,207 --> 00:16:04,707 human 422 00:16:05,735 --> 00:16:09,155 experiences that are universal. Yes. But if we 423 00:16:09,155 --> 00:16:11,621 come from a certain culture, it's expressed, I 424 00:16:11,621 --> 00:16:12,693 think differently, 425 00:16:13,150 --> 00:16:13,650 and 426 00:16:14,266 --> 00:16:15,701 and the and its purpose, 427 00:16:16,498 --> 00:16:18,331 it may be different. And it may be 428 00:16:18,331 --> 00:16:19,925 a different priority of purpose. 429 00:16:26,071 --> 00:16:28,004 And certain types of music 430 00:16:28,872 --> 00:16:30,940 have been historically have been, 431 00:16:31,974 --> 00:16:32,951 a limited 432 00:16:33,804 --> 00:16:35,099 in their exposure 433 00:16:36,370 --> 00:16:37,809 in certain cultures. Mh. 434 00:16:38,450 --> 00:16:40,769 And in certain countries within those cultures or 435 00:16:40,769 --> 00:16:43,590 org... Or areas within those cultures because 436 00:16:44,064 --> 00:16:47,116 of control in in attempts to control 437 00:16:47,493 --> 00:16:49,487 the way people do think. That would be 438 00:16:49,726 --> 00:16:51,879 Example. Like... Well, I think in... What you 439 00:16:51,879 --> 00:16:52,438 get into, 440 00:16:53,315 --> 00:16:55,638 it certain music has looked at when when 441 00:16:55,717 --> 00:16:58,342 Rock and roll first came around. Oh, there 442 00:16:58,342 --> 00:17:01,206 was censorship and exactly. Yeah. Yeah. But there's... 443 00:17:01,524 --> 00:17:02,375 But that's not 444 00:17:02,732 --> 00:17:05,114 that's not an an outlier that is Happened. 445 00:17:05,352 --> 00:17:05,749 There's... Yeah... 446 00:17:06,543 --> 00:17:08,132 And especially more restricted, 447 00:17:08,846 --> 00:17:11,759 in more restricted cultures. You're going to have 448 00:17:11,958 --> 00:17:15,296 you get into things like, Nazi Germany. You 449 00:17:15,296 --> 00:17:17,362 you couldn't play anything that wasn't German, 450 00:17:17,918 --> 00:17:19,508 really? You had to be from a German, 451 00:17:21,191 --> 00:17:21,691 composer 452 00:17:22,304 --> 00:17:24,925 performer. Yep. Absolutely. And the same thing in 453 00:17:24,925 --> 00:17:26,990 in in Russia. Well, we know that the 454 00:17:26,990 --> 00:17:29,238 arts are always the first place where 455 00:17:29,549 --> 00:17:30,688 any kind of avoid 456 00:17:31,625 --> 00:17:33,860 tries to control the public. It's looked as 457 00:17:33,860 --> 00:17:36,814 dangerous. Yeah. And and I think the the 458 00:17:36,814 --> 00:17:38,570 the... Well, I think it's looked at that 459 00:17:38,570 --> 00:17:41,317 way. It's... I think that is it really 460 00:17:41,614 --> 00:17:43,128 becoming that way. I think the reason is 461 00:17:43,128 --> 00:17:44,881 looked that way is because it get... It 462 00:17:44,881 --> 00:17:47,032 is exactly what you're talking about. I think 463 00:17:47,032 --> 00:17:48,626 it has that deep impact. 464 00:17:49,277 --> 00:17:52,633 Onto to a spiritual aspect to it that 465 00:17:53,085 --> 00:17:55,147 doesn't feel like you can control it. 466 00:17:55,861 --> 00:17:57,864 And when you get into that, lack of 467 00:17:57,864 --> 00:17:59,482 control and you're trying to be an author 468 00:17:59,862 --> 00:18:00,362 authoritarian 469 00:18:02,658 --> 00:18:05,535 regime. Yeah. Then then a lack of control 470 00:18:05,535 --> 00:18:06,670 does not fit. Yeah. 471 00:18:07,390 --> 00:18:09,869 Take take control of the arts. Absolutely. Yeah. 472 00:18:10,109 --> 00:18:12,269 Deep in in your travels, are there... Have 473 00:18:12,269 --> 00:18:13,890 there been times where you've seen 474 00:18:14,362 --> 00:18:14,862 music 475 00:18:15,394 --> 00:18:15,894 being 476 00:18:16,506 --> 00:18:18,413 restricted? Have there other there other times you 477 00:18:18,413 --> 00:18:19,469 can think of where 478 00:18:19,842 --> 00:18:22,799 music was either being restricted and you saw 479 00:18:22,799 --> 00:18:25,039 that happening and, kind know, felt that happening 480 00:18:25,039 --> 00:18:26,720 or or times where, like, at the wedding 481 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:28,240 in Cairo where it was being expressed and 482 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,134 that made a particular impact in. You'd, 483 00:18:30,574 --> 00:18:31,773 you know, I can't really 484 00:18:33,371 --> 00:18:34,191 talk about 485 00:18:34,650 --> 00:18:37,227 seeing being in places where it was restricted 486 00:18:37,367 --> 00:18:37,846 so much. 487 00:18:39,776 --> 00:18:42,553 It just that in certain places, certain kinds 488 00:18:42,553 --> 00:18:45,171 of music was simply not popular? I don't... 489 00:18:45,409 --> 00:18:48,442 Now is that really the result of the 490 00:18:48,442 --> 00:18:49,660 fact that it was made 491 00:18:50,756 --> 00:18:52,750 restricted in its availability? Yeah. 492 00:18:53,228 --> 00:18:53,866 III... 493 00:18:54,504 --> 00:18:56,339 Hard to tell. Yeah. Or was it simply 494 00:18:56,339 --> 00:18:58,747 not resonating with that culture, so it was 495 00:18:58,747 --> 00:19:00,183 not popular. Mh. You know, 496 00:19:00,981 --> 00:19:03,854 I don't know. I remember though, I think 497 00:19:03,854 --> 00:19:05,290 being in. Mh. 498 00:19:05,942 --> 00:19:06,815 We travel there, 499 00:19:07,927 --> 00:19:08,427 and, 500 00:19:08,959 --> 00:19:10,252 you know, cuban 501 00:19:10,625 --> 00:19:13,030 music is just it's breathtaking 502 00:19:13,642 --> 00:19:14,142 magnificent. 503 00:19:14,689 --> 00:19:16,843 In on so many levels. It is so 504 00:19:16,843 --> 00:19:18,120 soul. So just... 505 00:19:18,998 --> 00:19:20,774 Yes. And the the popular 506 00:19:21,152 --> 00:19:21,710 version, you know, 507 00:19:22,523 --> 00:19:26,134 A cuban jazz, for example Mh. Or or 508 00:19:26,351 --> 00:19:27,627 popular cuban music. 509 00:19:28,744 --> 00:19:30,999 But then you also have a rich classical 510 00:19:31,297 --> 00:19:31,376 tradition. 511 00:19:32,585 --> 00:19:34,674 In Cuba. And and the 512 00:19:35,922 --> 00:19:39,154 the amount of music that's produced there is 513 00:19:39,353 --> 00:19:42,240 like a national treasure. It's really their major 514 00:19:42,456 --> 00:19:44,149 export. Oh, wow. And 515 00:19:45,001 --> 00:19:47,248 because economically, they do struggle so much. Right? 516 00:19:47,408 --> 00:19:49,406 But when it comes to music, it's spectacular. 517 00:19:49,965 --> 00:19:52,123 And so you go to... You remember walking 518 00:19:52,123 --> 00:19:53,961 down the streets in Havana and out of 519 00:19:53,961 --> 00:19:54,760 every corner. 520 00:19:55,334 --> 00:19:58,702 Was this magnificent music, and people were dancing 521 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:00,911 and you go into a park, and there's 522 00:20:00,911 --> 00:20:02,128 a little group of people 523 00:20:03,397 --> 00:20:07,304 playing guitars and and and drums and it's... 524 00:20:07,942 --> 00:20:09,617 There it is. And yeah. And you're just 525 00:20:09,617 --> 00:20:11,712 listening to this music. And 526 00:20:12,344 --> 00:20:15,297 I remember being in a small town outside 527 00:20:15,297 --> 00:20:16,974 of Havana and I don't recall the name 528 00:20:16,974 --> 00:20:18,911 right now, and it was a a Sunday, 529 00:20:19,449 --> 00:20:21,045 and there was music in the park. 530 00:20:21,779 --> 00:20:22,279 And 531 00:20:22,738 --> 00:20:25,395 we just happened to be there. Mh. And 532 00:20:26,013 --> 00:20:27,132 the it started up, 533 00:20:27,931 --> 00:20:29,105 and the music got 534 00:20:29,701 --> 00:20:30,201 so 535 00:20:30,575 --> 00:20:32,086 fantastic. Mh. Then, of course, I had to 536 00:20:32,086 --> 00:20:33,675 get up on my feet. Oh, sure. And, 537 00:20:33,755 --> 00:20:35,265 of course. And not you. 538 00:20:36,060 --> 00:20:36,560 Yeah 539 00:20:37,412 --> 00:20:40,368 And surely not. And and and Cheryl was 540 00:20:40,368 --> 00:20:43,491 with me, my wife. And we're dancing and 541 00:20:43,786 --> 00:20:45,216 everybody in town is dancing, 542 00:20:45,614 --> 00:20:48,513 and the place is g and it's it's 543 00:20:48,730 --> 00:20:52,073 fantastic. I'm having a spiritual experience. Really Sure. 544 00:20:52,311 --> 00:20:55,438 Absolutely. And and and and I feel like 545 00:20:55,734 --> 00:20:58,296 everyone is in the same space as I 546 00:20:58,296 --> 00:21:00,866 have. That's really powerful. It was very powerful 547 00:21:02,117 --> 00:21:03,152 until... Oh. 548 00:21:03,788 --> 00:21:04,288 Until 549 00:21:05,873 --> 00:21:08,256 a bunch of, like, I would say, 8 550 00:21:08,256 --> 00:21:09,685 you 8 to 9 year old kids. 551 00:21:10,559 --> 00:21:11,195 Joined in. 552 00:21:11,989 --> 00:21:14,610 On on on the this... In the square. 553 00:21:15,008 --> 00:21:15,166 Okay. 554 00:21:16,373 --> 00:21:20,026 And joined in how. Dancing. Okay. Okay. And 555 00:21:20,026 --> 00:21:22,250 so... So course sounds okay. So and watching 556 00:21:22,250 --> 00:21:23,918 the kids, you know, we kinda, like, turned 557 00:21:23,918 --> 00:21:24,712 and watch them. 558 00:21:25,284 --> 00:21:26,422 And they were so 559 00:21:28,075 --> 00:21:28,575 unbelievably 560 00:21:29,112 --> 00:21:29,431 fantastic. 561 00:21:29,990 --> 00:21:33,340 Cool. Okay. So incredible, and they weren't putting 562 00:21:33,340 --> 00:21:34,775 on a show. This was not like that. 563 00:21:35,190 --> 00:21:36,630 They they were not gonna, like, you know, 564 00:21:36,869 --> 00:21:38,789 It was organic. It was totally organic. Yeah. 565 00:21:40,069 --> 00:21:42,869 And everybody else was... They kicked up the 566 00:21:42,869 --> 00:21:45,352 not... They kicked up the bar. Yeah. So 567 00:21:45,352 --> 00:21:45,590 high. 568 00:21:46,304 --> 00:21:47,177 And everybody else, 569 00:21:48,129 --> 00:21:49,240 everybody else achieved it. 570 00:21:49,954 --> 00:21:51,803 Really? Until I realized 571 00:21:52,589 --> 00:21:53,147 I'm not. 572 00:21:54,901 --> 00:21:57,691 I'm still I'm still g as this guy 573 00:21:57,691 --> 00:22:00,024 who is this non cuban visitor 574 00:22:00,481 --> 00:22:03,531 who's just having a good time. And... What 575 00:22:03,531 --> 00:22:04,810 kind of dancing or... I mean, is it, 576 00:22:04,890 --> 00:22:06,968 like, break dancing? No. This is was Salsa 577 00:22:07,127 --> 00:22:09,285 This was Okay. This was Trying to. Blast. 578 00:22:09,445 --> 00:22:12,035 You Classic. Crew... Classic cuban 579 00:22:13,370 --> 00:22:15,785 popular music. I see. Okay. And 580 00:22:16,562 --> 00:22:17,461 and I realized 581 00:22:17,773 --> 00:22:19,285 I'm limited in my... In my moves. 582 00:22:20,319 --> 00:22:21,910 I don't care. I don't know. I think 583 00:22:21,910 --> 00:22:24,399 you got quite a replica repertoire of 584 00:22:24,948 --> 00:22:27,913 of of dan's No. Not in Cuba. Not. 585 00:22:28,526 --> 00:22:31,149 Not down there I id. I mean, I 586 00:22:31,149 --> 00:22:32,364 mean, the incredible 587 00:22:32,818 --> 00:22:34,224 interpretation of the rhythms was 588 00:22:34,822 --> 00:22:35,220 amazing. 589 00:22:36,176 --> 00:22:38,406 Blew me away. And these kids are, like, 590 00:22:38,566 --> 00:22:40,875 9 years old, and everybody else is is 591 00:22:40,875 --> 00:22:41,375 dancing 592 00:22:41,752 --> 00:22:44,159 with them. Right. And turned to Sharon and 593 00:22:44,239 --> 00:22:46,556 I said, I think I'm done now. Yeah. 594 00:22:49,273 --> 00:22:51,671 Yeah. And it was spectacular. It was a 595 00:22:51,671 --> 00:22:54,634 great experience on all wow. Really awesome. Very 596 00:22:54,634 --> 00:22:56,384 nice. Yeah. I do like when that happens 597 00:22:56,384 --> 00:22:58,055 in when you're dancing in a big group, 598 00:22:58,293 --> 00:22:59,589 and that's suddenly a subgroup 599 00:22:59,979 --> 00:23:01,812 comes out that is bringing they're dancing to 600 00:23:01,812 --> 00:23:03,166 a whole new level. And everyone else kinda 601 00:23:03,166 --> 00:23:04,680 of just stops and watch this because say 602 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,071 realize that. That okay. We can't, like, we 603 00:23:07,071 --> 00:23:08,678 can't get to that level at all. So 604 00:23:08,678 --> 00:23:10,348 we're just gonna appreciate what we're seeing. I 605 00:23:10,348 --> 00:23:12,042 mean, they were... They were hearing 606 00:23:13,133 --> 00:23:15,940 interpretations of the rhythms, which is so spectacular 607 00:23:16,156 --> 00:23:18,724 anyway. And so complex. Mh. And they were 608 00:23:18,724 --> 00:23:21,437 hearing it and dancing to those complexities Yeah. 609 00:23:21,676 --> 00:23:23,830 In a way that. I mean, III could 610 00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:26,073 not. And they probably... Been... Yeah, They might 611 00:23:26,073 --> 00:23:28,321 have been dancing that basically they're 612 00:23:28,855 --> 00:23:31,319 Precisely. Very cool for... Yeah. I I think 613 00:23:31,399 --> 00:23:32,058 I had a 614 00:23:32,765 --> 00:23:34,932 sort of similar type experience 615 00:23:35,862 --> 00:23:38,665 in a completely different place. I'm thinking of 616 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,309 going into a dublin bar. 617 00:23:41,914 --> 00:23:43,031 A a music bar, 618 00:23:43,749 --> 00:23:44,808 and it was 619 00:23:45,185 --> 00:23:47,101 a weekend night, so it was full and 620 00:23:47,101 --> 00:23:47,739 it was happening. 621 00:23:48,377 --> 00:23:48,877 And 622 00:23:50,145 --> 00:23:52,396 what struck me there was the inter 623 00:23:53,567 --> 00:23:54,283 of the place. 624 00:23:55,397 --> 00:23:57,307 So there were... They were dancing to the 625 00:23:57,307 --> 00:23:58,421 music of James Joyce. 626 00:23:58,993 --> 00:23:59,311 Yes. 627 00:24:01,061 --> 00:24:02,493 It was a little depressed. I dance answer 628 00:24:02,493 --> 00:24:04,425 that college. It was a stream of consciousness. 629 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:04,959 Yeah. 630 00:24:06,008 --> 00:24:06,725 Was ulysses. 631 00:24:07,282 --> 00:24:09,433 Or or depending on how much they had 632 00:24:09,433 --> 00:24:10,968 to drink stream of unconscious. 633 00:24:11,981 --> 00:24:13,972 Yep. Fuck unconscious trying to read that. 634 00:24:14,863 --> 00:24:17,086 But they was... Okay. There there were young 635 00:24:17,086 --> 00:24:19,626 people. There were old people. There were It 636 00:24:19,626 --> 00:24:21,929 had to be 3 and 4 generation... Did 637 00:24:21,929 --> 00:24:24,409 you say this was Dublin? Dublin. Okay. There 638 00:24:24,409 --> 00:24:26,806 they were they were little kids with grandma 639 00:24:26,806 --> 00:24:27,525 on grandpa, 640 00:24:28,164 --> 00:24:29,863 and it was classic 641 00:24:30,242 --> 00:24:31,041 Irish music. 642 00:24:32,734 --> 00:24:35,931 Music of the country, songs you knew that 643 00:24:36,171 --> 00:24:36,991 that were popularized 644 00:24:37,450 --> 00:24:39,068 songs you did not know. Mh, 645 00:24:39,528 --> 00:24:40,966 that were very local. 646 00:24:42,659 --> 00:24:45,233 The band was spectacular. Mh And 647 00:24:45,610 --> 00:24:47,843 the the same sense, you know, that we 648 00:24:47,843 --> 00:24:50,236 were all in this together. Yeah. And all, 649 00:24:51,911 --> 00:24:52,411 really 650 00:24:53,919 --> 00:24:55,216 experiencing something 651 00:24:55,593 --> 00:24:58,463 together. Mh. And then at 1 point the 652 00:24:58,463 --> 00:25:00,216 band stop, the dancing stop. 653 00:25:02,221 --> 00:25:03,993 And a voice started 654 00:25:05,084 --> 00:25:05,584 coming 655 00:25:06,197 --> 00:25:08,344 across the room, and it was a crowded 656 00:25:08,344 --> 00:25:08,583 room, 657 00:25:09,794 --> 00:25:10,433 from the bar. 658 00:25:11,232 --> 00:25:13,650 Okay. And this woman started singing 659 00:25:14,189 --> 00:25:15,947 a Celtic song. 660 00:25:17,226 --> 00:25:17,545 Capella. 661 00:25:18,357 --> 00:25:20,582 Mh. She's not in the band. Right. Right. 662 00:25:20,820 --> 00:25:23,283 Just someone at the bar. Yeah. The room 663 00:25:23,283 --> 00:25:23,998 went silent. 664 00:25:25,604 --> 00:25:27,921 And, you know, the Celtic mel are on 665 00:25:27,921 --> 00:25:29,620 a particular scale. That's 666 00:25:30,159 --> 00:25:30,659 haunting. 667 00:25:31,917 --> 00:25:32,417 And 668 00:25:34,803 --> 00:25:36,073 so silence the room, 669 00:25:36,708 --> 00:25:39,272 and she's saying a ver 2 of this 670 00:25:39,646 --> 00:25:40,995 ancient Celtic tune. Mh. 671 00:25:42,123 --> 00:25:42,623 And 672 00:25:43,794 --> 00:25:45,863 some voices joined in Yeah. Toward the end. 673 00:25:46,181 --> 00:25:46,260 Right. 674 00:25:47,295 --> 00:25:50,239 But a completely different experience. Yeah. This was 675 00:25:50,239 --> 00:25:53,114 a chant This was something that called up 676 00:25:53,114 --> 00:25:55,416 an ancient identity for most of the people 677 00:25:55,416 --> 00:25:56,766 in the room Mh mh Mh. 678 00:25:57,639 --> 00:26:01,260 And their reaction was was totally spiritual. Mh. 679 00:26:02,197 --> 00:26:02,436 Sure. 680 00:26:03,953 --> 00:26:04,272 Yeah. 681 00:26:05,310 --> 00:26:07,759 That's a that's fascinating. That that would be 682 00:26:08,839 --> 00:26:11,000 I... I've had similar experiences not in Dublin, 683 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,320 but I've had similar experiences in other ways, 684 00:26:13,799 --> 00:26:15,400 but I know exactly what you're talking about 685 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,055 with that. I think that goes to the 686 00:26:17,735 --> 00:26:19,975 spirituality that you're bringing up about in music, 687 00:26:20,375 --> 00:26:22,855 and the ability to use it as a 688 00:26:22,855 --> 00:26:23,355 transport 689 00:26:24,134 --> 00:26:25,414 to that spirituality. 690 00:26:25,990 --> 00:26:27,670 And and I also think it goes to 691 00:26:27,670 --> 00:26:29,430 the the thing we were talking about with 692 00:26:29,430 --> 00:26:31,750 the dancing with with when you're in a 693 00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:33,289 group like that and you're dancing 694 00:26:33,683 --> 00:26:35,907 it it... You may know who that person 695 00:26:35,907 --> 00:26:37,973 is. You may never have seen them before 696 00:26:38,052 --> 00:26:39,562 I have no clue what their name is, 697 00:26:40,118 --> 00:26:41,706 but there is a connection. 698 00:26:42,438 --> 00:26:44,112 Because of all all of these things that 699 00:26:44,112 --> 00:26:46,127 we're talking about, which goes to 700 00:26:46,505 --> 00:26:49,295 those that and in in that, although, again, 701 00:26:49,455 --> 00:26:50,991 the specifics of 702 00:26:51,859 --> 00:26:53,527 what it is in Dublin, what it is 703 00:26:53,527 --> 00:26:55,354 in a in a in a, you know, 704 00:26:55,593 --> 00:26:57,261 a a dance hall in Brooklyn. What it 705 00:26:57,261 --> 00:27:00,294 is in it in our deep south or 706 00:27:00,294 --> 00:27:02,596 in Cuba or wherever it happens to be, 707 00:27:03,152 --> 00:27:05,161 it at at the root of it all 708 00:27:05,296 --> 00:27:07,123 becomes that very human experience. 709 00:27:07,774 --> 00:27:10,961 That ties into something that may be beyond 710 00:27:10,961 --> 00:27:13,512 the human experience. And and. That was something 711 00:27:13,512 --> 00:27:15,400 that you can't that you can't 712 00:27:15,839 --> 00:27:18,000 achieve on your own, but you can achieve 713 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,400 it with, in a group with others. 714 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,880 Yeah. You... Right. And now some things you 715 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,313 can achieve right. Sure. And there's also an 716 00:27:25,373 --> 00:27:27,371 individual aspect of this as well. That's a 717 00:27:27,450 --> 00:27:29,928 The the mother who's, you know, singing a 718 00:27:29,928 --> 00:27:32,485 lull to her baby, that's 1 on 1. 719 00:27:33,138 --> 00:27:35,997 And she's she's accomplishing a purpose here. 720 00:27:36,871 --> 00:27:37,824 But there's... 721 00:27:38,618 --> 00:27:41,001 There are those cultures where it... It's much 722 00:27:41,001 --> 00:27:42,113 more group focused. 723 00:27:42,843 --> 00:27:45,465 And Mh. And I think in those cultures, 724 00:27:45,942 --> 00:27:47,237 you get a lot more 725 00:27:47,690 --> 00:27:48,644 group identity. 726 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,107 Now here's a here's another story. What happened 727 00:27:51,107 --> 00:27:53,035 to me. When I was... The first time 728 00:27:53,115 --> 00:27:54,231 I was in Italy, 729 00:27:54,869 --> 00:27:58,240 I'm going back to college days. Mh And 730 00:27:58,458 --> 00:28:01,263 I had no knowledge whatsoever of Opera, and 731 00:28:01,421 --> 00:28:02,770 I had no knowledge of, 732 00:28:03,563 --> 00:28:05,863 or very little exposure to any of the 733 00:28:05,863 --> 00:28:08,877 great Italian opera. Mh. But I'm in Rome, 734 00:28:09,527 --> 00:28:10,027 And 735 00:28:10,876 --> 00:28:13,096 and it's a... The Roman And I'm it's 736 00:28:13,096 --> 00:28:13,755 a summer, 737 00:28:14,366 --> 00:28:17,300 and there that I just made that You 738 00:28:17,300 --> 00:28:19,149 did. There's an upper going on at the 739 00:28:19,149 --> 00:28:21,941 baths of Cara, which of these Roman ruins, 740 00:28:23,616 --> 00:28:25,929 sort of on the outskirts of Rome, but 741 00:28:25,929 --> 00:28:27,125 they're massive ruins. 742 00:28:27,539 --> 00:28:29,606 And it's a nice open arena. 743 00:28:30,163 --> 00:28:32,491 And so they use this as a backdrop. 744 00:28:32,866 --> 00:28:35,751 They light it up, and they stage 745 00:28:36,364 --> 00:28:36,762 opera. 746 00:28:37,571 --> 00:28:40,351 There. Okay. And you have to realize that 747 00:28:40,351 --> 00:28:43,551 the Benz of Cara now are surrounded by 748 00:28:43,766 --> 00:28:44,266 basically, 749 00:28:45,848 --> 00:28:49,436 public works 10. Mh. Okay. Okay. Mh. We're 750 00:28:49,436 --> 00:28:52,864 working class people live. Mh. And they're right 751 00:28:52,864 --> 00:28:55,190 there. Mh. Yeah. Like, they look out the 752 00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:56,783 window and there's the benz of cara. 753 00:28:57,341 --> 00:29:00,925 Well, I mean, they're all Italian, and there's 754 00:29:00,925 --> 00:29:03,887 opera going on outside their windows. Yeah. And 755 00:29:03,887 --> 00:29:06,196 they know all the words to all the 756 00:29:06,196 --> 00:29:08,528 aria. Wonderful. Right? So 757 00:29:08,904 --> 00:29:10,974 I'm sitting there. I don't know the words 758 00:29:10,974 --> 00:29:11,612 of these aria. 759 00:29:12,820 --> 00:29:15,207 But it was very accessible music. It was 760 00:29:15,287 --> 00:29:15,764 P. 761 00:29:16,321 --> 00:29:16,821 And 762 00:29:17,355 --> 00:29:20,240 they're doing Lob m or, you know, some 763 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,319 of the most magnificent well known aria is 764 00:29:22,319 --> 00:29:22,720 in the world. 765 00:29:23,359 --> 00:29:23,859 And 766 00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:26,659 it was it was a fabulous 767 00:29:27,052 --> 00:29:28,719 experience for me because I was being exposed 768 00:29:28,719 --> 00:29:30,886 to something that I had never heard before 769 00:29:30,942 --> 00:29:34,220 as as a musical person. Yep. And 770 00:29:34,689 --> 00:29:37,101 Of course, it was even more fabulous 771 00:29:37,717 --> 00:29:38,217 because 772 00:29:38,752 --> 00:29:40,904 people are leaning out their kitchen windows. 773 00:29:42,274 --> 00:29:44,188 And singing along. Yeah. 774 00:29:45,145 --> 00:29:46,523 Nice wow. Singing 775 00:29:46,980 --> 00:29:50,330 along. Wonderful. Yeah. That's a... That... You know, 776 00:29:50,489 --> 00:29:52,026 it's funny because when you mentioned 777 00:29:53,132 --> 00:29:55,278 what it would basically look like and then 778 00:29:55,357 --> 00:29:56,867 I've not been there, but at the my 779 00:29:56,867 --> 00:29:57,741 mind, the, 780 00:29:58,377 --> 00:30:00,377 pictures in my head, And then even with 781 00:30:00,377 --> 00:30:02,147 the the more modern buildings 782 00:30:02,838 --> 00:30:04,584 located so close. But when you light that 783 00:30:04,584 --> 00:30:06,409 up and it gets evening and then gets 784 00:30:06,409 --> 00:30:06,568 dark, 785 00:30:07,618 --> 00:30:10,969 I'm already understanding a spiritual tool. I I 786 00:30:10,969 --> 00:30:12,565 was thinking the same thing. Mh. And we 787 00:30:12,565 --> 00:30:14,400 were kind of... They were singing along with 788 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,408 the with the with the singers and the 789 00:30:16,408 --> 00:30:18,662 actors that were on stage, there was this. 790 00:30:19,357 --> 00:30:21,669 Right. Everybody's able to take part. Yeah. Everyone 791 00:30:21,669 --> 00:30:24,079 was taking part. Yeah. Mh Yeah. It was 792 00:30:24,079 --> 00:30:25,839 like a single long. Right. But it Right. 793 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,259 You know, sit sitting around that 794 00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:30,960 you know, Yeah. Playing new guitar as we've 795 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,167 done. And and and singing along to the 796 00:30:34,167 --> 00:30:35,922 to the most popular songs, But in Italy, 797 00:30:36,082 --> 00:30:38,235 it happens to be a Or. You can 798 00:30:38,235 --> 00:30:39,671 kind of reach a sense of joy and 799 00:30:39,671 --> 00:30:43,215 unity that transcend speech for. Right? Absolutely. 800 00:30:43,910 --> 00:30:46,538 Absolutely. Yeah yeah. Wow. If only that happened 801 00:30:46,538 --> 00:30:48,928 all around the world on some level. Come 802 00:30:48,928 --> 00:30:50,202 by. Yeah. Right. 803 00:30:50,934 --> 00:30:52,209 You know. He's still holding the peace side 804 00:30:52,209 --> 00:30:53,246 up over there. By the way, 805 00:30:54,043 --> 00:30:55,978 what to happened. Okay you gotta get marshmallows 806 00:30:56,036 --> 00:30:56,275 here. 807 00:30:57,869 --> 00:30:59,879 We have to fire at. Kinda where I 808 00:30:59,879 --> 00:31:01,717 was going. Never mind. We try. You know, 809 00:31:02,037 --> 00:31:04,354 Some what the funny thing is the the 810 00:31:04,354 --> 00:31:06,752 that when you mentioned the thing about, you 811 00:31:06,752 --> 00:31:08,750 know, Italy and singing and all of that. 812 00:31:10,363 --> 00:31:12,281 We should talk about italy. We should we 813 00:31:12,281 --> 00:31:14,758 should do do that in a episode. Maybe 814 00:31:14,758 --> 00:31:16,277 1 coming up in in the in the 815 00:31:16,277 --> 00:31:18,035 near future. I'm not gonna... Yeah. We haven't 816 00:31:18,115 --> 00:31:20,043 Nice. So a lot of our episodes are 817 00:31:20,043 --> 00:31:21,476 specific to certain cultures, but I don't think 818 00:31:21,476 --> 00:31:24,105 we've done 1. Haven't... We've done no. A 819 00:31:24,105 --> 00:31:25,539 little bits and pieces. Not a deep dive. 820 00:31:25,778 --> 00:31:28,103 Right. Yeah. Right? And it's so rich. Oh, 821 00:31:28,262 --> 00:31:30,092 my god. So... Okay. We'll do that. Yeah. 822 00:31:30,251 --> 00:31:32,637 I... We'll we'll we'll wait in. So they 823 00:31:32,637 --> 00:31:35,519 change Yeah. Yes. Go ahead. Okay. Maybe 824 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:36,500 maybe 825 00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:38,579 polite. What is the 826 00:31:39,759 --> 00:31:41,119 Please does he go ahead. 827 00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:43,440 Please go ahead. Just think something to distract 828 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:43,599 them. 829 00:31:44,814 --> 00:31:45,772 With attention here. 830 00:31:47,846 --> 00:31:49,203 Well, what I was going to say is 831 00:31:49,203 --> 00:31:51,996 that... Oh never mind. No. Get it. I'm 832 00:31:51,996 --> 00:31:52,496 leaving 833 00:31:52,965 --> 00:31:55,026 I think this was fun today with this, 834 00:31:55,184 --> 00:31:56,770 and I and I... I don't know I 835 00:31:56,770 --> 00:31:58,751 enjoyed it, and I was spiritually moved by 836 00:31:59,068 --> 00:31:59,306 Dean. 837 00:32:00,114 --> 00:32:01,793 And I don't believe that's ever happened before 838 00:32:01,793 --> 00:32:03,871 or anything even close. Just recall out. Yeah. 839 00:32:04,190 --> 00:32:06,268 No. I anyway. So, anyhow, thank you, Dean. 840 00:32:07,067 --> 00:32:09,465 Thank you, Tom. And and thank you, To. 841 00:32:09,878 --> 00:32:12,741 Thank you. And 1 of the employees Thank 842 00:32:12,741 --> 00:32:14,968 you, Saga. 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