1 00:00:00,115 --> 00:00:02,525 - Well, things annoying people are kind 2 00:00:02,525 --> 00:00:03,605 of what we're about, aren't 3 00:00:03,605 --> 00:00:04,605 - We? 4 00:00:04,605 --> 00:00:06,605 Well, it's certainly a podcast possibility , 5 00:00:06,675 --> 00:00:08,565 because I'm sure that in other cultures, 6 00:00:08,835 --> 00:00:10,925 what is annoying in one is not necessarily 7 00:00:10,985 --> 00:00:12,085 in another and vice versa. 8 00:00:12,235 --> 00:00:13,445 - Well, I'm just saying that that's true. 9 00:00:13,485 --> 00:00:15,085 I think, you know, when that's kind of annoying actually, 10 00:00:15,085 --> 00:00:17,725 your response just then it, it was . 11 00:00:18,955 --> 00:00:20,365 Well, okay. Only in that 12 00:00:20,725 --> 00:00:23,245 - I didn't even say, I - Didn't even address it to you. 13 00:00:23,445 --> 00:00:26,605 I mean, what, geez. Oh, everything is addressed to me. 14 00:00:26,985 --> 00:00:29,325 - But, but to your point, is it to your point, 15 00:00:29,675 --> 00:00:31,165 different cultures can take it, 16 00:00:31,165 --> 00:00:33,965 and you don't even mean it to be, but it's taken that way. 17 00:00:34,355 --> 00:00:35,525 - Well, well see. Exactly. 18 00:00:35,905 --> 00:00:37,725 And I'm, I'm saying I think 19 00:00:38,465 --> 00:00:40,565 the cultural aspect, there we go. 20 00:00:40,945 --> 00:00:45,325 The cultural aspect of this is, in one way, is that people 21 00:00:45,995 --> 00:00:48,005 will take it in that form, 22 00:00:48,355 --> 00:00:49,845 - Even if it wasn't meant that - Way. 23 00:00:50,565 --> 00:00:52,645 Absolutely. So, and you might not know that. 24 00:00:52,745 --> 00:00:53,965 And that gets you in trouble. So 25 00:00:53,965 --> 00:00:56,405 that's why we are talking about it on a regular basis, 26 00:00:56,475 --> 00:01:00,565 - Because this is - Oops, oops. Your culture, 27 00:01:00,565 --> 00:01:01,565 - Your culture showing. 28 00:01:08,995 --> 00:01:11,205 - Well, speaking of annoying, I'm Tom Peterson 29 00:01:11,205 --> 00:01:12,605 and I'm here with Dean Foster. 30 00:01:12,815 --> 00:01:13,925 Hello, Dean. Hello, 31 00:01:14,105 --> 00:01:15,105 - Tom. 32 00:01:15,105 --> 00:01:16,445 And you are rarely annoying. 33 00:01:16,725 --> 00:01:18,725 I, I must say, I don't think most 34 00:01:18,725 --> 00:01:19,765 of the time talking about me. 35 00:01:19,915 --> 00:01:21,525 Most of the time annoying. 36 00:01:21,825 --> 00:01:23,125 Not all the time, but most of the time 37 00:01:23,385 --> 00:01:24,645 - Him being - Annoying . 38 00:01:24,955 --> 00:01:27,645 Yeah. Well, I didn't take, I didn't take it that way. 39 00:01:27,785 --> 00:01:29,845 You didn't take See what a support I am. Right. 40 00:01:30,045 --> 00:01:31,525 - I see. So going along with Yes. 41 00:01:31,665 --> 00:01:35,365 Our opening you, uh, you're saying that depending on the, 42 00:01:35,365 --> 00:01:37,365 how the person is taking it, that's going, 43 00:01:37,365 --> 00:01:39,805 there's gonna be a cultural element to that 44 00:01:40,145 --> 00:01:41,145 - Always. 45 00:01:41,145 --> 00:01:43,845 Right. And we have with us today in studio. 46 00:01:44,225 --> 00:01:47,245 - Yes. Torin Peterson. Torin Peterson. Am I annoying? 47 00:01:48,055 --> 00:01:50,805 Constantly annoying. Oh wait, whoops. Never. 48 00:01:51,225 --> 00:01:54,245 So that's Sorry equals sometimes. Yeah, sure. We'll go 49 00:01:54,245 --> 00:01:55,245 - With that. 50 00:01:55,245 --> 00:01:55,565 We'll, we'll split. That sounds right. Yeah. 51 00:01:55,575 --> 00:01:56,805 We'll split the difference right there. 52 00:01:56,995 --> 00:01:58,285 - Yeah. Yeah. I'll accept that. 53 00:01:58,955 --> 00:02:01,045 - This will be a wonderful podcast, by the way. 54 00:02:01,265 --> 00:02:02,645 But we're not talking about annoying. 55 00:02:02,875 --> 00:02:04,045 Well, we might be actually, 56 00:02:04,045 --> 00:02:06,045 because we were talking about what to talk about. 57 00:02:06,255 --> 00:02:10,205 Right. And we were talking about the po um, idioms. Really? 58 00:02:10,385 --> 00:02:12,325 - Ah-Huh? idioms are because we're idiots. 59 00:02:12,465 --> 00:02:14,085 We weren't, but we are now. 60 00:02:14,315 --> 00:02:16,245 Well, we were a little bit, and I suppose some, 61 00:02:16,245 --> 00:02:19,005 and then we were annoyed we went there. I see. Okay. 62 00:02:19,235 --> 00:02:20,645 - Some idioms could be annoying. 63 00:02:20,875 --> 00:02:22,165 - Well, they could be. Yes. 64 00:02:22,345 --> 00:02:23,605 - And to your point, yes. 65 00:02:23,745 --> 00:02:26,805 Unintentionally, this whole idea of intentionality, 66 00:02:27,065 --> 00:02:29,725 you know, where I would never intentionally 67 00:02:29,975 --> 00:02:31,325 wanna annoy somebody. 68 00:02:31,875 --> 00:02:33,325 Well, maybe, but 69 00:02:33,845 --> 00:02:34,845 - . 70 00:02:35,905 --> 00:02:39,885 - But, but what I'm doing is now taken as annoying. Mm-Hmm. 71 00:02:39,925 --> 00:02:42,005 - . Yes. Yes, yes. Well, yeah. 72 00:02:42,365 --> 00:02:44,725 I mean, theoretically it takes two in that you, 73 00:02:44,725 --> 00:02:48,205 because the person speaking isn't annoying 74 00:02:48,385 --> 00:02:50,725 unless there's a receiver of it. 75 00:02:50,975 --> 00:02:53,005 We're getting philosophical here. Uh, well, yeah. 76 00:02:53,045 --> 00:02:55,245 I mean, we're getting into all sorts of heavy stuff in 77 00:02:55,245 --> 00:02:56,245 - There. 78 00:02:56,245 --> 00:02:56,525 This, this is the Martin Buber eye. 79 00:02:56,645 --> 00:02:59,485 - V I'm grooving on it. You know what I'm saying? What, who? 80 00:03:00,185 --> 00:03:02,125 - The who? Well, if you have to ask, 81 00:03:02,275 --> 00:03:03,325 - What are we talking about now? 82 00:03:03,885 --> 00:03:05,125 ? I thought, I, I thought I heard 83 00:03:05,125 --> 00:03:06,245 something we shouldn't be talking about. 84 00:03:06,325 --> 00:03:07,325 I like Congressman 85 00:03:07,695 --> 00:03:09,285 - Being very, very philosophical. 86 00:03:09,385 --> 00:03:12,485 And I mentioned the, the Martin Buber of Phil philosopher. 87 00:03:12,485 --> 00:03:14,325 Mm-Hmm. , his book, I vow. 88 00:03:14,475 --> 00:03:17,245 It's about the interaction between the, 89 00:03:17,945 --> 00:03:19,125 the object and the subject. 90 00:03:19,385 --> 00:03:21,125 The speaker and the, and the intent 91 00:03:21,325 --> 00:03:22,485 intended receiver. Now the 92 00:03:22,565 --> 00:03:23,485 - Audience, I'm sorry, I I 93 00:03:23,485 --> 00:03:24,845 nodded off in the middle of that . 94 00:03:24,845 --> 00:03:26,485 Now the audience is annoyed. . Really? 95 00:03:27,155 --> 00:03:29,045 They're getting a philosopher. There is no audience. 96 00:03:29,265 --> 00:03:30,405 Oh, that's, that's good point. 97 00:03:30,405 --> 00:03:31,445 Don't worry about it. Why am I 98 00:03:31,865 --> 00:03:32,865 - Not a problem. 99 00:03:32,865 --> 00:03:34,765 I didn't mean to be intentionally annoying, but there I was. 100 00:03:35,145 --> 00:03:36,725 - But it happened. I wonder if there's an idiom 101 00:03:36,725 --> 00:03:38,485 to cover this, because, uh, there must be. 102 00:03:38,485 --> 00:03:39,885 There must be. I now let, let, let's, 103 00:03:39,985 --> 00:03:41,205 let me ask this question though. 104 00:03:41,445 --> 00:03:44,445 'cause idioms are used all the time in, in, in, 105 00:03:44,545 --> 00:03:47,165 in all, probably all cultures. And some, to some degree, 106 00:03:47,445 --> 00:03:48,445 - I would imagine that's - True. 107 00:03:48,665 --> 00:03:50,685 Mm-Hmm. . And so they're, they're doing that. 108 00:03:50,705 --> 00:03:52,685 But I would say that most people 109 00:03:53,215 --> 00:03:57,205 don't know they're using them because they're so common. 110 00:03:57,695 --> 00:04:00,125 Right. Definitely. Yeah. Right. So it's usually in all 111 00:04:00,485 --> 00:04:01,445 - S it's usually - They're just using 112 00:04:01,445 --> 00:04:02,365 without thinking. Right. 113 00:04:02,465 --> 00:04:04,845 - As I understand, it's usually a phrase. Yeah. 114 00:04:04,845 --> 00:04:08,285 Which, um, has a meaning that is not apparently literal. 115 00:04:08,785 --> 00:04:11,965 So the meaning maybe it literal, 116 00:04:12,545 --> 00:04:13,885 but most of the time, 117 00:04:13,985 --> 00:04:17,525 or oftentimes it's not, it's an implication. 118 00:04:18,105 --> 00:04:21,245 And, and, and the reason you don't understand it, if you're 119 00:04:21,245 --> 00:04:22,685 of another culture, is 120 00:04:22,685 --> 00:04:26,045 because you are not experiencing those words the same way 121 00:04:26,045 --> 00:04:27,925 you're experiencing them as translated. 122 00:04:28,105 --> 00:04:31,925 - It requires a background of either personal 123 00:04:31,925 --> 00:04:36,285 or cultural context, historical, um, relativity context. 124 00:04:36,665 --> 00:04:37,965 - You need the context. - Absolutely. 125 00:04:38,055 --> 00:04:39,405 - Right. And, and, - But you, 126 00:04:39,465 --> 00:04:40,485 but you're acquiring that, 127 00:04:40,485 --> 00:04:41,805 that's the kind of the thing I'm talking about. 128 00:04:42,025 --> 00:04:43,725 You're acquiring that context 129 00:04:44,665 --> 00:04:47,205 by your existence in the culture Yeah. 130 00:04:47,425 --> 00:04:50,405 As opposed to having someone explain it to you. That's 131 00:04:50,605 --> 00:04:51,605 - Right. 132 00:04:51,605 --> 00:04:52,565 And that's where you get into problems. Right. 133 00:04:52,875 --> 00:04:56,085 When we would talk about, um, US American culture Mm-Hmm. 134 00:04:56,125 --> 00:04:57,325 , for example. Mm-Hmm. . And if 135 00:04:57,325 --> 00:05:00,805 we're talking about it to a non-US American, right? 136 00:05:01,185 --> 00:05:03,525 We would play a little game sometimes and, 137 00:05:03,705 --> 00:05:08,085 and say the US idiom, but take out a key word 138 00:05:08,345 --> 00:05:12,405 and ask the non-American listener to fill in 139 00:05:12,635 --> 00:05:14,885 what they imagine that missing word might be. 140 00:05:15,315 --> 00:05:18,045 Like. Here's the idiom from the us. 141 00:05:18,505 --> 00:05:21,605 God helps those who help blank. Okay. 142 00:05:21,605 --> 00:05:22,685 - Mm-Hmm. . - Okay. 143 00:05:22,985 --> 00:05:24,925 Now, whenever we would say this 144 00:05:25,185 --> 00:05:26,685 to somebody from China Chili, 145 00:05:26,685 --> 00:05:28,805 - And if you're listening to this, fill in the blank. Yeah. 146 00:05:28,865 --> 00:05:31,485 - So, so if we said, if we said, what's the missing word? 147 00:05:32,105 --> 00:05:34,285 God helps those who help blank. 148 00:05:34,745 --> 00:05:38,525 And if we ask this question of someone from China or Japan 149 00:05:39,065 --> 00:05:42,965 or East, east Asia, inevitably the response was very quick. 150 00:05:43,225 --> 00:05:46,045 Oh, God helps those who helps others. Mm-Hmm. 151 00:05:46,085 --> 00:05:47,405 - . Okay. Hmm. 152 00:05:47,545 --> 00:05:50,005 - And then we would say, whoops, wrong. 153 00:05:50,315 --> 00:05:51,525 - Yeah. Because - The 154 00:05:51,845 --> 00:05:53,965 - American, wrong in, in the context of the United States, 155 00:05:54,145 --> 00:05:55,565 - The American idiom Yeah. 156 00:05:55,985 --> 00:05:58,445 Is God helps those who help themselves. Right. Right. 157 00:05:58,445 --> 00:05:59,805 - Right. - That's rough in my mind. 158 00:05:59,805 --> 00:06:00,965 And then when we would explain that, 159 00:06:01,035 --> 00:06:03,205 that would raise all sorts of problems. 160 00:06:03,355 --> 00:06:06,725 Yeah. Because from an Asian perspective, that's selfish. 161 00:06:07,195 --> 00:06:09,125 Sure. God's not gonna help you if you're selfish. 162 00:06:09,815 --> 00:06:11,605 God's only gonna help you if you're selfless. 163 00:06:11,835 --> 00:06:14,525 - Yeah. Which - Makes sense to me. Yeah. And 164 00:06:14,525 --> 00:06:15,525 - Help others. 165 00:06:15,535 --> 00:06:18,165 - Right, - Right. From a collectivist culture. 166 00:06:18,455 --> 00:06:21,645 - Right, - Right. But not from an individualist culture. 167 00:06:21,855 --> 00:06:26,495 Right. Right. Which is the US where we get rewarded by fate 168 00:06:26,515 --> 00:06:29,855 or God or whoever gives out rewards, we get rewarded 169 00:06:30,635 --> 00:06:32,895 for taking care of ourselves. Right. 170 00:06:33,105 --> 00:06:35,855 - Right. - And that allows us to take care of others. 171 00:06:36,385 --> 00:06:38,895 - Right. - Because by being rewarded, 172 00:06:39,035 --> 00:06:40,135 you've got money in the bank, 173 00:06:40,155 --> 00:06:41,575 you can now start to take care of others. 174 00:06:41,995 --> 00:06:45,695 So you develop a society that depends on, uh, philanthropy. 175 00:06:45,865 --> 00:06:49,295 Right. As opposed to societal supports for 176 00:06:49,295 --> 00:06:51,975 - That's a like an ongoing concept, right? 177 00:06:52,115 --> 00:06:54,255 - Mm-Hmm, - . Okay. Interesting. 178 00:06:54,375 --> 00:06:55,975 I also just realized that, I just said 179 00:06:55,975 --> 00:06:58,735 before that I said, uh, if you're listening 180 00:06:58,735 --> 00:07:00,535 to this , fill in the blank. 181 00:07:01,355 --> 00:07:02,695 And, and if you're not, 182 00:07:02,695 --> 00:07:03,975 - And if you're not listening to it, don't. If you're 183 00:07:03,975 --> 00:07:05,935 - Not listening to this, no, I would actually like them 184 00:07:06,115 --> 00:07:07,495 to also fill in the, the blank. Oh, oh. 185 00:07:07,495 --> 00:07:10,335 - I, - I'm sorry. I would like them do's, even the people 186 00:07:10,335 --> 00:07:12,375 who are not listening to fill in the blank. 187 00:07:12,575 --> 00:07:14,135 - I mean, this seems like a prime example 188 00:07:14,135 --> 00:07:15,295 of Oops. Your culture showing. 189 00:07:15,445 --> 00:07:17,015 - Exactly. Absolutely. That's fascinating. 190 00:07:17,015 --> 00:07:19,055 But now how many times has that happened to, 191 00:07:19,315 --> 00:07:20,975 to any, any of us, you know? 192 00:07:20,975 --> 00:07:22,695 Right. Where we're in a foreign culture 193 00:07:23,475 --> 00:07:26,575 and we hear somebody use an idiom of their culture, 194 00:07:27,715 --> 00:07:32,375 and literally we interpret it through our own lens. 195 00:07:32,375 --> 00:07:33,775 Mm-Hmm. . Yes. Right. 196 00:07:34,155 --> 00:07:37,295 Um, or we have no idea how to interpret it, 197 00:07:37,295 --> 00:07:39,815 because the words, the literal translation 198 00:07:39,815 --> 00:07:40,975 in English just makes 199 00:07:41,315 --> 00:07:42,315 - No sense. 200 00:07:42,315 --> 00:07:43,055 No sense at all. No sense at all. 201 00:07:43,115 --> 00:07:44,255 And they, and they think too, and it, 202 00:07:44,255 --> 00:07:45,495 and the opposite is true as well. 203 00:07:45,795 --> 00:07:47,895 You, you interpret the other direction. 204 00:07:48,115 --> 00:07:51,295 And, and our idioms in the United States are not going 205 00:07:51,295 --> 00:07:53,815 to make sense in other languages, or, 206 00:07:53,875 --> 00:07:55,615 - Or they're gonna be most likely, or they're gonna be 207 00:07:55,615 --> 00:07:58,375 interpreted through the culture of the listener. 208 00:07:58,765 --> 00:07:59,855 - Well, they're probably gonna do 209 00:07:59,855 --> 00:08:00,975 that anyway. Right. Because that's why we, 210 00:08:01,005 --> 00:08:02,095 - Like God helps those who help 211 00:08:02,275 --> 00:08:03,275 - Others. 212 00:08:03,275 --> 00:08:04,575 Right. Right. Yeah. 213 00:08:04,635 --> 00:08:05,855 So you, and, and, 214 00:08:05,855 --> 00:08:07,935 but if, if the language is different too, 215 00:08:08,045 --> 00:08:10,415 they may just be interpreted incorrectly. 216 00:08:11,155 --> 00:08:13,335 So that not at all what you're intending, 217 00:08:13,365 --> 00:08:16,095 even if it was interpreted, um, well, 218 00:08:16,095 --> 00:08:18,535 it won't be interpreted correctly then at all, will it, if, 219 00:08:18,555 --> 00:08:22,015 if you're getting, if the words used in the interpretation, 220 00:08:22,645 --> 00:08:23,935 I've really gone down a rabbit hole. 221 00:08:24,085 --> 00:08:26,135 - Yeah. It's diving in. Give 222 00:08:26,135 --> 00:08:27,135 - Us an example. 223 00:08:27,135 --> 00:08:27,935 Going down a rabbit hole. Well, 224 00:08:28,085 --> 00:08:28,975 - There's one - I just thinking of. 225 00:08:28,975 --> 00:08:29,855 Isn't that, isn't that an 226 00:08:29,885 --> 00:08:30,885 - Yeah. 227 00:08:30,885 --> 00:08:31,975 Going down a rabbit hole. Down a rabbit hole. Yeah. Yeah. 228 00:08:32,125 --> 00:08:33,695 Well, I was thinking of when pigs fly, see 229 00:08:33,695 --> 00:08:34,695 - How clever and witty I am. 230 00:08:35,155 --> 00:08:36,535 Excuse me. Well, that's 231 00:08:36,535 --> 00:08:37,695 - Moving right along. . 232 00:08:37,715 --> 00:08:39,975 - Um, - I was thinking of when pigs fly, right. 233 00:08:39,975 --> 00:08:40,975 I mean, that's when I use all the time 234 00:08:40,975 --> 00:08:41,815 without thinking about it. 235 00:08:41,815 --> 00:08:43,215 Yeah. And someone could say, 236 00:08:43,315 --> 00:08:44,735 why are we talking about pigs flying? 237 00:08:45,035 --> 00:08:47,295 - That's right. Huh. Sure. - And I could see that very much 238 00:08:47,295 --> 00:08:48,295 - Happening. 239 00:08:48,295 --> 00:08:48,815 - There's no cultural context for 240 00:08:48,815 --> 00:08:49,935 - Understanding, but I'll just be saying it, 241 00:08:49,955 --> 00:08:52,215 and hopefully I try to have some awareness 242 00:08:52,215 --> 00:08:53,295 that maybe someone didn't under, but, 243 00:08:53,555 --> 00:08:54,775 - But I think that - Also probably would not, 244 00:08:55,165 --> 00:08:58,085 - I think there's also an aspect to it that it, that goes 245 00:08:58,145 --> 00:09:01,285 beyond international cultural uhhuh, uh, to, 246 00:09:01,545 --> 00:09:03,325 to national cultural aspects. 247 00:09:03,345 --> 00:09:07,885 Oh. And even just, um, corporate culture aspects 248 00:09:08,145 --> 00:09:12,845 of using certain phrases that are, are, are used in ways 249 00:09:12,845 --> 00:09:16,845 that aren't used in other parts of your state, your town. 250 00:09:16,875 --> 00:09:20,045 Sure. Your your associates. Yeah. I could see that too. 251 00:09:20,045 --> 00:09:22,245 And, and so you might use them in the group and, 252 00:09:22,425 --> 00:09:26,205 and you could very easily be misconstrued Yeah. 253 00:09:26,385 --> 00:09:27,685 In the, in the process of doing that. 254 00:09:27,685 --> 00:09:29,685 There's a phrase, uh, in the United States 255 00:09:29,795 --> 00:09:32,605 that is used pretty regularly, which, 256 00:09:32,625 --> 00:09:34,885 and especially in business type of things, they might, 257 00:09:34,885 --> 00:09:36,085 someone might bring something up 258 00:09:36,085 --> 00:09:37,885 and you might say, well, that came outta left field. 259 00:09:38,665 --> 00:09:40,005 And Right in, you have to 260 00:09:40,005 --> 00:09:41,565 - Know, you have to know baseball's in order 261 00:09:41,705 --> 00:09:42,325 - To make sense. Lot 262 00:09:42,825 --> 00:09:43,825 - IDs. 263 00:09:43,825 --> 00:09:44,845 It's a baseball with's, a lot of baseball IDMs. 264 00:09:44,875 --> 00:09:46,325 It's very good for idiom. Mm-Hmm. . 265 00:09:46,505 --> 00:09:49,445 And, but also it's, it's any kind of, there's a lot 266 00:09:49,445 --> 00:09:51,285 of sports idioms in a lot of areas. 267 00:09:51,315 --> 00:09:52,405 - Yeah. And I think I, - Well, 268 00:09:52,405 --> 00:09:54,205 I'll touch base with you in the morning. Right, 269 00:09:54,485 --> 00:09:55,165 - Absolutely. Particularly 270 00:09:55,485 --> 00:09:55,925 - Baseball. I've noticed 271 00:09:56,235 --> 00:09:57,885 - That idea is from left field. Yes. Well, it's 272 00:09:57,885 --> 00:09:58,885 - Older - Too. 273 00:09:58,885 --> 00:10:01,525 Yeah. That idea is from left field Uhhuh outta left field. 274 00:10:01,585 --> 00:10:03,845 - Yep. Mm-Hmm. Yeah. There's a ton. Yeah. Yeah. 275 00:10:03,865 --> 00:10:05,965 And, and, and it's absolutely it. 276 00:10:05,985 --> 00:10:08,965 So it becomes kind of a, um, it's, 277 00:10:08,965 --> 00:10:09,965 - You're in the ballpark. 278 00:10:10,645 --> 00:10:12,005 - Absolutely. There's Yes. Yeah. There's a lot. 279 00:10:12,005 --> 00:10:14,925 Well, that's, yeah. I, let's just ballpark this. Yeah. 280 00:10:14,925 --> 00:10:16,845 People will say, and Right. You know, what, 281 00:10:16,845 --> 00:10:18,565 - Is that a ballpark figure? But 282 00:10:18,565 --> 00:10:20,645 - If you, but if you come from, but if you come from a 283 00:10:20,645 --> 00:10:22,085 culture where we don't play baseball, 284 00:10:22,085 --> 00:10:24,165 then you, it's essentially meaningless. 285 00:10:24,165 --> 00:10:25,925 Right. It's meaning. Right. Or don't know 286 00:10:25,925 --> 00:10:27,565 what it means. Maybe you 287 00:10:27,565 --> 00:10:29,885 - Can, the thing is - Contextually figure it out. Right. 288 00:10:29,885 --> 00:10:31,365 - You have to - Kind of work at that. But I don't even 289 00:10:31,365 --> 00:10:32,845 think it's, it, it needs to be, 290 00:10:33,025 --> 00:10:35,245 but my, I guess my point on that Mm-Hmm. 291 00:10:35,285 --> 00:10:36,365 to climb out of the 292 00:10:36,945 --> 00:10:39,365 - Rabbit hole - All down police. 293 00:10:39,365 --> 00:10:43,045 Um, I It's a, it I'm saying it's even if you have people 294 00:10:43,045 --> 00:10:45,365 that don't know sports Yeah. 295 00:10:45,785 --> 00:10:47,565 In the same culture. Right. 296 00:10:47,665 --> 00:10:52,485 You're, you're, you're running into a mini culture aspect 297 00:10:52,905 --> 00:10:55,485 of having it misinterpreted or not understood. 298 00:10:55,485 --> 00:10:56,605 Right. That could have, there's sports even knowing, 299 00:10:56,605 --> 00:10:57,605 even knowing the same language. 300 00:10:57,605 --> 00:10:59,085 Right. Right. But it's not only sports. 301 00:10:59,425 --> 00:11:00,485 I'm just using that one as 302 00:11:00,485 --> 00:11:01,645 an example. I mean, there's, well, 303 00:11:01,645 --> 00:11:03,805 - There's always cultures and subcultures and culture 304 00:11:03,805 --> 00:11:04,805 - Break a leg. 305 00:11:04,815 --> 00:11:07,325 Right, right. Right. What does break a leg mean to a person 306 00:11:07,425 --> 00:11:08,845 who doesn't understand show business? 307 00:11:08,855 --> 00:11:10,645 Right. Right. Now in the United States, 308 00:11:10,715 --> 00:11:12,805 that has become pretty common. Well, 309 00:11:12,805 --> 00:11:14,365 - That's the thing, is it becomes, you, 310 00:11:14,365 --> 00:11:16,085 you understand the meeting behind 311 00:11:16,225 --> 00:11:17,165 - The literal meeting, they start to become, then 312 00:11:17,165 --> 00:11:17,765 they become cultural. 313 00:11:17,765 --> 00:11:18,765 - And so you don't worry about the literal 314 00:11:18,765 --> 00:11:20,805 - Meeting internationally cultural, I think at that point, 315 00:11:20,805 --> 00:11:25,765 because now you've got a vast, um, number of people in the, 316 00:11:25,765 --> 00:11:27,485 in the culture using it. 317 00:11:27,495 --> 00:11:28,645 Right. And thinking 318 00:11:28,755 --> 00:11:30,325 that everybody's gonna know what that means. But 319 00:11:30,325 --> 00:11:31,965 - Outside of the culture, if you hear someone say to you, 320 00:11:31,965 --> 00:11:33,485 break a leg, you might be horrified. 321 00:11:33,485 --> 00:11:34,045 Right. , 322 00:11:39,885 --> 00:11:42,925 I was in a situation, so listeners may know 323 00:11:42,925 --> 00:11:45,005 that I did the Peace Corps in Jordan several years ago. 324 00:11:45,465 --> 00:11:46,805 And because it was so many years 325 00:11:46,805 --> 00:11:48,005 ago, and I have very poor memory. 326 00:11:48,565 --> 00:11:51,885 I don't remember the idiom that I, so I was in a room 327 00:11:51,885 --> 00:11:53,310 with some friends of friends, 328 00:11:54,065 --> 00:11:56,165 and they said at Idiom, if I remember right, 329 00:11:56,245 --> 00:11:57,485 I think it had to do with chickens. 330 00:11:58,055 --> 00:12:00,165 Don't quite remember. Anyway, the point being, 331 00:12:00,435 --> 00:12:02,445 they were just talking casually between themselves, 332 00:12:02,755 --> 00:12:05,645 some friends of friends, and they said, happen 333 00:12:05,645 --> 00:12:07,805 to say this idiom that I think it was related to chickens. 334 00:12:07,905 --> 00:12:10,005 And I'm sort of overhearing while I'm doing something else. 335 00:12:10,145 --> 00:12:12,005 And it's, in my mind, I'm listening more to 336 00:12:12,005 --> 00:12:13,325 what they're saying, trying to put it in context. 337 00:12:13,685 --> 00:12:15,045 I cannot put it all into context. 338 00:12:15,265 --> 00:12:16,605 So I'm really curious, what in 339 00:12:16,605 --> 00:12:17,685 the world are they talking about with chickens? 340 00:12:17,685 --> 00:12:19,245 Like, I don't think there's any chickens around. 341 00:12:19,425 --> 00:12:21,525 So a little time goes by and then I approach one of them 342 00:12:21,525 --> 00:12:23,965 and say, why, why were you talking about chickens? 343 00:12:23,965 --> 00:12:25,685 Or whatever it was? And . 344 00:12:26,025 --> 00:12:28,285 And they, they had, they explained to me, oh, no, no, no. 345 00:12:28,285 --> 00:12:30,485 This means something completely different. Right. 346 00:12:30,785 --> 00:12:32,805 And I'm there thinking, you know, I've been, I've, 347 00:12:32,805 --> 00:12:34,525 I was in Jordan about a year and a half at that point. 348 00:12:34,585 --> 00:12:36,765 So now I'm going through the process internally of, 349 00:12:36,905 --> 00:12:38,765 you know, why, why didn't I know that? 350 00:12:38,765 --> 00:12:40,285 Right. Yeah. So I've been there, 351 00:12:40,435 --> 00:12:41,685 I've been there where it's like, I 352 00:12:41,685 --> 00:12:43,085 - Think we all experience it, - You know, 353 00:12:43,105 --> 00:12:44,525 had no idea what that meant in one way 354 00:12:44,525 --> 00:12:45,845 - Or another. I think we really do. 355 00:12:46,205 --> 00:12:47,405 - I remember growing up as a kid, 356 00:12:47,545 --> 00:12:48,925 and my grandmother would say, 357 00:12:48,945 --> 00:12:51,005 you should grow like an onion with your head in the ground. 358 00:12:51,185 --> 00:12:52,725 She wouldn't always say that to me, Uhhuh, 359 00:12:52,745 --> 00:12:54,245 but she would say that to others, Uhhuh. 360 00:12:54,385 --> 00:12:55,725 And I would hear her say that. 361 00:12:55,745 --> 00:12:57,725 And I was thinking, why would she wanna 362 00:12:57,725 --> 00:12:58,845 wish that on somebody? 363 00:12:58,845 --> 00:13:00,525 Right. Doesn't just doesn't sound right. 364 00:13:00,865 --> 00:13:02,525 You should grow like an onion with your head in the ground. 365 00:13:02,525 --> 00:13:04,445 Then I realized it's a curse. Yeah. Oh yeah. 366 00:13:04,445 --> 00:13:06,125 It's an old Yiddish curse. Okay. Yeah. 367 00:13:06,125 --> 00:13:09,725 Which means like, you know, you should be stuck in one place 368 00:13:10,225 --> 00:13:12,085 and you should never know anything. Oh, 369 00:13:12,675 --> 00:13:13,675 - Okay. 370 00:13:13,675 --> 00:13:15,045 You should stay, um, kind of ignorant 371 00:13:15,065 --> 00:13:16,245 to what's going on, or naive 372 00:13:16,435 --> 00:13:17,435 - Yeah. 373 00:13:17,435 --> 00:13:18,045 As ignorant as you are right now. 374 00:13:18,215 --> 00:13:20,165 - Right, right. - I gotcha. Okay. 375 00:13:20,195 --> 00:13:22,685 - Sure. So I think the lots of idioms 376 00:13:22,705 --> 00:13:25,845 around cursing everywhere in every culture. 377 00:13:25,985 --> 00:13:28,005 - Oh, sure. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. 378 00:13:28,005 --> 00:13:30,245 My wife talks about a Yiddish phrase that her mother used 379 00:13:30,245 --> 00:13:33,285 to use, which was, go knock your head against the wall, is 380 00:13:33,285 --> 00:13:34,445 how it is interpreted. 381 00:13:34,535 --> 00:13:36,725 Right. And, and you're saying, well, maybe 382 00:13:36,725 --> 00:13:38,725 that's not interpreted from the Yiddish correctly. 383 00:13:38,745 --> 00:13:40,325 And No, it is It is. 384 00:13:40,545 --> 00:13:42,165 Um, basically that's what it was saying. 385 00:13:42,375 --> 00:13:43,765 Right. Interesting. And so 386 00:13:43,975 --> 00:13:45,285 - Don't, don't waste my time either. So 387 00:13:45,285 --> 00:13:46,965 - Those of you who understand Yiddish, you might know 388 00:13:46,965 --> 00:13:48,125 what the phrase is out there. 389 00:13:48,375 --> 00:13:50,965 - Right. So Torin, you have, you have an idiom, right? That 390 00:13:51,195 --> 00:13:52,195 - Yeah, I do. 391 00:13:52,195 --> 00:13:53,805 Because there was an article that I, um, 392 00:13:54,765 --> 00:13:56,085 I knew we were thinking about, 393 00:13:56,085 --> 00:13:57,965 talking about idioms idiots talking idioms. 394 00:13:57,965 --> 00:14:00,125 So I pulled up this article from, from i, 395 00:14:00,245 --> 00:14:01,965 - I, that's, that's, that's the name of the episode, 396 00:14:02,205 --> 00:14:03,205 - I think Definitely is. 397 00:14:03,205 --> 00:14:04,885 - I think it has to be. And, and that's what's happening. 398 00:14:05,445 --> 00:14:08,005 , um, pull up this article from Education First 399 00:14:08,025 --> 00:14:12,605 or ef, um, that has these 10 kind of entertaining idioms. 400 00:14:12,945 --> 00:14:14,645 Um, one was from, 401 00:14:14,705 --> 00:14:16,285 I'm just pulling it up, one was from Sweden. 402 00:14:16,905 --> 00:14:18,765 Um, I won't try to read it in the Swedish, 403 00:14:18,765 --> 00:14:21,765 but it translates to, to slide in on a shrimp sandwich 404 00:14:22,745 --> 00:14:24,245 - To slide in. Mm-Hmm. 405 00:14:24,285 --> 00:14:25,965 - on a shrimp. On a shrimp sandwich. Sandwich. 406 00:14:26,185 --> 00:14:29,005 It explains, in Sweden, um, when this phrase was created, 407 00:14:29,005 --> 00:14:30,605 shrimp was considered a fancy food. 408 00:14:30,945 --> 00:14:34,805 Ah. So it's sort of like, you know, in, in us, 409 00:14:34,865 --> 00:14:36,085 we would say someone born 410 00:14:36,085 --> 00:14:37,725 with a silver spoon in their mouth. Ah, right. 411 00:14:37,785 --> 00:14:39,685 - And yeah. - Okay. Right. Okay. 412 00:14:40,065 --> 00:14:41,765 - She got this privilege and everything just kind 413 00:14:41,765 --> 00:14:43,605 of works out for you, and you don't even have to work at it. 414 00:14:43,605 --> 00:14:45,205 - Right. And I'm, and I'm hearing this 415 00:14:45,235 --> 00:14:46,805 through the cultural filter. 416 00:14:46,855 --> 00:14:50,125 Right. And I'm saying, what makes this uniquely Swedish? 417 00:14:50,125 --> 00:14:52,365 Yeah. Yeah. Like, why would Swedes have 418 00:14:52,365 --> 00:14:53,445 an expression like this? 419 00:14:53,545 --> 00:14:54,645 And now maybe lots 420 00:14:54,645 --> 00:14:56,525 of cultures have a similar type expression. 421 00:14:56,525 --> 00:15:00,965 Yeah. But why is it, why, why is it this way in Sweden? 422 00:15:01,265 --> 00:15:03,165 Why shrimp sandwich? Yeah. For the same reason that 423 00:15:03,165 --> 00:15:05,285 to be born with a silver spoon in your mouth has a 424 00:15:05,445 --> 00:15:06,885 slightly negative connotation. 425 00:15:06,885 --> 00:15:08,005 Definitely. Right? Yeah. 426 00:15:08,005 --> 00:15:11,245 It's used to describe people who basically 427 00:15:11,875 --> 00:15:13,285 were not admiring 428 00:15:13,285 --> 00:15:16,365 because their achievements have not been done 429 00:15:16,365 --> 00:15:17,485 through their efforts. 430 00:15:17,485 --> 00:15:19,565 Right. But rather through their privilege. Right? 431 00:15:19,985 --> 00:15:20,985 - Yes, - Exactly. Right. 432 00:15:20,985 --> 00:15:22,485 - Yep. Maybe through their birth. Right. 433 00:15:22,705 --> 00:15:25,205 - And so in any culture that's egalitarian 434 00:15:25,785 --> 00:15:26,885 Mm-Hmm. , that's gonna be 435 00:15:27,715 --> 00:15:28,715 - Sure. 436 00:15:28,715 --> 00:15:29,605 Mm-Hmm. . Yeah. Mm-Hmm. . 437 00:15:29,785 --> 00:15:31,085 - So in the US that makes sense. 438 00:15:31,345 --> 00:15:34,125 We pride ourselves on having egalitarian values. 439 00:15:34,265 --> 00:15:36,045 We don't always live up to them. Right. Right. 440 00:15:36,145 --> 00:15:37,525 And we struggle to. Right. 441 00:15:37,585 --> 00:15:40,405 But they are the foundational, I mean, they're, 442 00:15:40,405 --> 00:15:42,045 they're built into the laws of the land. 443 00:15:42,045 --> 00:15:43,485 Mm-Hmm. . And, and, 444 00:15:43,505 --> 00:15:45,485 and in Sweden in a far 445 00:15:46,115 --> 00:15:48,885 more accomplished egalitarian culture than the us 446 00:15:49,925 --> 00:15:52,005 I can see why we would have this kind of video. 447 00:15:52,065 --> 00:15:53,085 Mm-Hmm. . Right. 448 00:15:53,085 --> 00:15:56,205 Because privilege should not be, we all know 449 00:15:56,205 --> 00:15:57,885 that it does give advantages, 450 00:15:58,385 --> 00:16:01,525 but it's not necessarily something that we're gonna admire. 451 00:16:01,655 --> 00:16:04,005 Right. Right. You slid in on a shrimp sandwich. 452 00:16:04,245 --> 00:16:06,125 I could be so happy about that. Don't be, don't be so, 453 00:16:06,215 --> 00:16:07,365 don't be so fully yourself. 454 00:16:07,375 --> 00:16:09,805 - Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. 455 00:16:09,805 --> 00:16:12,485 That's interesting, huh? Okay. Huh. Okay. 456 00:16:12,785 --> 00:16:13,885 Um, but it's still interesting. 457 00:16:13,885 --> 00:16:15,325 And I'm also just finding an inter, I mean, 458 00:16:15,325 --> 00:16:19,565 certainly Sweden is going to be a water-based, um, uh, uh, 459 00:16:20,255 --> 00:16:23,885 place, you know, uhhuh, uh, seafood type of place to use. 460 00:16:23,885 --> 00:16:25,485 That's true. Right? Sure. To use a shrimp, 461 00:16:25,485 --> 00:16:27,045 there's shrimp sandwich besides the fact 462 00:16:27,045 --> 00:16:29,045 that it might have been, but it was also special. 463 00:16:29,185 --> 00:16:31,765 So I'm, and I wanna, I don't wanna go on the road of 464 00:16:31,765 --> 00:16:34,005 how special are shrimps in Sweden, but, um, 465 00:16:34,225 --> 00:16:35,765 but it, well, it was considered fancy at the time. 466 00:16:36,025 --> 00:16:39,405 That's it. Yeah. It may be have been not a common 467 00:16:39,555 --> 00:16:41,085 type of thing to eat. Right. 468 00:16:41,145 --> 00:16:43,005 - It may have been an Indian that developed at a 469 00:16:43,005 --> 00:16:45,085 particularly economically difficult moment in time. 470 00:16:45,085 --> 00:16:46,685 Be could, could be. Sure. I don't dunno. Could 471 00:16:46,685 --> 00:16:47,685 - Be. 472 00:16:47,685 --> 00:16:49,285 I dunno. Right. Um, Dean, were there other, I know you, 473 00:16:49,285 --> 00:16:50,405 you pulled up this article now. 474 00:16:50,405 --> 00:16:51,525 Were there other idioms on here 475 00:16:51,525 --> 00:16:52,645 that kind of stood out to you 476 00:16:53,065 --> 00:16:56,125 - As, as uniquely representative of, of the culture? Yeah. 477 00:16:56,425 --> 00:16:59,125 - Or just fun? Or just fun or both? . Yeah. 478 00:16:59,235 --> 00:17:00,925 Hopefully both. Right. 479 00:17:01,155 --> 00:17:02,525 - Well, - We are doing a podcast 480 00:17:03,205 --> 00:17:04,205 - , well, there was this 481 00:17:04,545 --> 00:17:05,685 - Oh, we're, yeah. Oh, I thought 482 00:17:05,685 --> 00:17:06,685 - We were static. 483 00:17:06,685 --> 00:17:07,445 You might as well say in the neighborhood, 484 00:17:07,445 --> 00:17:10,125 there was this Norwegian in Sweden. Oh yeah. I saw this 485 00:17:10,125 --> 00:17:11,485 - One - Go across the border. 486 00:17:11,815 --> 00:17:14,525 There was this Norwegian one, which translated, again, 487 00:17:14,525 --> 00:17:17,645 the literal translation is there is an owl in the bog. 488 00:17:17,905 --> 00:17:19,965 Mm. An owl in the bog 489 00:17:21,225 --> 00:17:22,685 - Who doesn't use that one. Yeah. 490 00:17:22,745 --> 00:17:24,045 - Or, or . - We, 491 00:17:24,185 --> 00:17:26,445 we don't is basically it in the, in the us Yeah. But 492 00:17:26,445 --> 00:17:27,605 - What does that, what does that mean? 493 00:17:27,815 --> 00:17:29,365 - Right. I don't, I don't know. Yeah. 494 00:17:29,365 --> 00:17:30,765 I wouldn't be able to tell you. Can I guess. 495 00:17:31,545 --> 00:17:32,605 - Please. - Okay. 496 00:17:33,195 --> 00:17:35,645 Well, uh, I, at least here in the United States, 497 00:17:35,975 --> 00:17:39,125 there is a feeling that owls are very smart. 498 00:17:39,135 --> 00:17:40,485 Right. That's what I was gonna say. They're very 499 00:17:40,485 --> 00:17:41,605 wise, so Yeah. 500 00:17:42,065 --> 00:17:44,405 And now whether they are or not, I have no idea, but, 501 00:17:44,425 --> 00:17:45,845 but they, they appear to be, 502 00:17:45,905 --> 00:17:47,085 so I guess we give them that credit. 503 00:17:47,175 --> 00:17:51,045 Right. And so do we stick 'em in the bog? Um, I don't know. 504 00:17:51,105 --> 00:17:53,925 But it's, we, we do talk about things being bogged down. 505 00:17:54,345 --> 00:17:56,725 So meaning that they get kind of stuck. Yeah. 506 00:17:56,865 --> 00:18:01,165 So I'm gonna go with, um, uh, 507 00:18:01,185 --> 00:18:03,485 the owl's not so bright. Okay. How's 508 00:18:03,485 --> 00:18:04,485 - That? 509 00:18:04,485 --> 00:18:06,005 I was thinking like the bo the bog is kind of like murky, 510 00:18:06,065 --> 00:18:08,565 and so they're trying to maybe figure something out. I 511 00:18:08,565 --> 00:18:09,565 - Don't dunno. 512 00:18:09,565 --> 00:18:11,685 I dunno. Either. It's, I think the interpretation, 513 00:18:11,885 --> 00:18:12,885 - I, I haven't looked to see what it was. 514 00:18:13,205 --> 00:18:14,005 I just noticed the idiom. 515 00:18:14,185 --> 00:18:15,365 - So what do you got over - There? Yeah. 516 00:18:15,365 --> 00:18:17,005 So owls are, what does it, owls are fairly, 517 00:18:17,235 --> 00:18:19,285 they're looked upon as intelligent animals. 518 00:18:19,285 --> 00:18:20,885 Right. Right. And if they're in the bog, 519 00:18:20,945 --> 00:18:22,405 that's the reason why they're there. 520 00:18:22,635 --> 00:18:24,565 Something's, something's not right. 521 00:18:25,665 --> 00:18:26,845 So they're suspicious 522 00:18:26,945 --> 00:18:28,205 of something and they're trying to figure 523 00:18:28,225 --> 00:18:29,225 - Out. 524 00:18:29,225 --> 00:18:29,525 Oh. Oh, okay. Okay. 525 00:18:29,745 --> 00:18:31,205 So we were kind of in the right direction. Yeah, I think 526 00:18:31,205 --> 00:18:31,765 - So. We're in the 527 00:18:31,885 --> 00:18:32,885 - Ballpark. 528 00:18:32,885 --> 00:18:33,325 We didn't interpret You're in the 529 00:18:33,485 --> 00:18:34,565 - Ballpark, - Right? 530 00:18:34,705 --> 00:18:36,445 Oh, look at you over there. Yeah. 531 00:18:36,595 --> 00:18:37,725 - Call back - . 532 00:18:38,025 --> 00:18:38,845 No, half our audience 533 00:18:38,845 --> 00:18:40,245 doesn't know what you're talking about. 534 00:18:40,555 --> 00:18:41,555 - Half. 535 00:18:41,555 --> 00:18:43,285 - Yeah. We're gonna go with half. Okay. 536 00:18:43,355 --> 00:18:46,845 - Yeah. . Okay. That makes sense. 537 00:18:46,845 --> 00:18:47,965 So something's, uh, su 538 00:18:47,965 --> 00:18:49,885 - That guy, that guy over there who's 539 00:18:49,885 --> 00:18:50,565 - Listening, right? . 540 00:18:50,595 --> 00:18:52,485 - Yeah. You I'm talking to you there, Jerry. Yeah. 541 00:18:53,025 --> 00:18:55,765 - But, but in Italian, I'm gonna say to you, um, you're, 542 00:18:56,145 --> 00:18:59,205 you're, you're, uh, you're, you're a pizza, 543 00:18:59,465 --> 00:19:00,645 you're a piece of bread. 544 00:19:00,705 --> 00:19:04,325 You're not a pizza, you're a piece, you're a piece of sort 545 00:19:04,325 --> 00:19:05,405 of kind bread. 546 00:19:05,595 --> 00:19:06,765 - Yeah. That's kind of Right. That's 547 00:19:06,765 --> 00:19:07,285 - True. Pizza. 548 00:19:07,305 --> 00:19:08,925 - I'd be like, Ooh, you're a piece of bread. A 549 00:19:08,925 --> 00:19:09,925 - Piece of - Bread. 550 00:19:09,925 --> 00:19:10,525 You're a piece of bread. Yeah. 551 00:19:10,825 --> 00:19:12,245 - Or he's a piece of bread That 552 00:19:12,245 --> 00:19:13,245 - Could go, a piece. 553 00:19:13,245 --> 00:19:13,965 Go many ways. I feel like. Yeah. 554 00:19:14,075 --> 00:19:17,005 - Yeah. I, I'm, this is, I don't know if that's good or bad. 555 00:19:17,235 --> 00:19:19,325 - This is Italian. - I'm, I'm not sure. 556 00:19:19,765 --> 00:19:22,285 I mean, 'cause the Italians are, are, are, 557 00:19:22,435 --> 00:19:23,485 have wonderful food. 558 00:19:23,595 --> 00:19:25,285 Yeah. And, and eat. So 559 00:19:25,285 --> 00:19:27,285 - That's the reason why it's uniquely Italian right 560 00:19:27,285 --> 00:19:28,325 there. So 561 00:19:28,325 --> 00:19:31,045 - Maybe it's - Good we're using food as part 562 00:19:31,145 --> 00:19:32,565 as the basis of the idiom. 563 00:19:32,735 --> 00:19:35,325 - Right. Right. - So maybe it's good 'cause Yeah. 564 00:19:35,325 --> 00:19:36,365 It's delicious. Italian bread. 565 00:19:36,465 --> 00:19:38,845 - I'm gonna go kind of good at least. Yeah. Sounds good. 566 00:19:39,315 --> 00:19:42,525 Good. So, bread, however, see, I, I don't think of them, 567 00:19:42,925 --> 00:19:44,805 although I know they have, you know, their bakeries 568 00:19:44,805 --> 00:19:46,285 and stuff probably are wonderful. 569 00:19:46,945 --> 00:19:49,925 But, um, I'm not thinking them in that, that mode. 570 00:19:50,225 --> 00:19:52,645 So I'm thinking it's kind of your base 571 00:19:52,745 --> 00:19:55,245 or basic as opposed to being Oh, really special. 572 00:19:55,425 --> 00:19:57,205 Oh, okay. Yeah. I don't, I'm making stuff up here. 573 00:19:57,315 --> 00:19:58,405 - Okay. Yeah. No, I would, yeah, 574 00:19:58,405 --> 00:20:00,325 because I would think it's a, it's a lot of bread, 575 00:20:00,715 --> 00:20:02,125 delicious bread related things. 576 00:20:02,125 --> 00:20:03,245 So, yeah. I don't know. I'm gonna say it's, 577 00:20:03,395 --> 00:20:04,395 - Well, it is a good thing. 578 00:20:04,395 --> 00:20:07,765 Okay. And I think the English equivalent, um, the, 579 00:20:07,905 --> 00:20:11,485 the non Italian equivalent would be, uh, to, to refer 580 00:20:11,485 --> 00:20:12,765 to someone as salt of the earth. 581 00:20:13,865 --> 00:20:15,365 - Oh, okay. - Okay. Yeah. 582 00:20:15,515 --> 00:20:17,205 - Okay. - Yeah. You know, 583 00:20:17,505 --> 00:20:19,205 - That's one too, where if I heard that I didn't, 584 00:20:19,305 --> 00:20:20,405 you know, I didn't know that as a, I'm not 585 00:20:20,405 --> 00:20:21,645 - Quite sure what that means in, in, 586 00:20:21,645 --> 00:20:23,045 in American English, but I mean, 587 00:20:23,045 --> 00:20:24,365 - Especially because isn't salt of the, 588 00:20:24,365 --> 00:20:25,525 like, salt in the earth bad? 589 00:20:25,865 --> 00:20:28,365 - No. But salt of the earth is, when you say someone is salt 590 00:20:28,365 --> 00:20:30,165 of the earth, I think that means they're, 591 00:20:30,165 --> 00:20:31,365 they're trustworthy there. 592 00:20:31,365 --> 00:20:32,365 - Yes. But Right. But I mean, literally 593 00:20:32,365 --> 00:20:33,285 - Basic, they're, well 594 00:20:33,285 --> 00:20:34,805 - Salt in your, in your earth, 595 00:20:34,915 --> 00:20:36,285 it's probably not gonna be a good 596 00:20:36,355 --> 00:20:38,005 thing's I if you're trying to grow stuff. So 597 00:20:38,005 --> 00:20:39,685 - If I'm just taking it literally, I'd go, oh, no. 598 00:20:39,685 --> 00:20:41,125 Right. Why are you calling me? He said, salted 599 00:20:41,125 --> 00:20:42,125 - Beer. 600 00:20:42,125 --> 00:20:43,605 But salt I think was such an important thing. Yeah. 601 00:20:44,065 --> 00:20:45,325 In, in throughout history, 602 00:20:45,715 --> 00:20:47,525 salt has been meant to be a commodity. 603 00:20:47,715 --> 00:20:49,805 - There's an interesting twist to this a little bit. 604 00:20:50,075 --> 00:20:51,085 - That is, it'll we'll be the judge 605 00:20:51,085 --> 00:20:52,645 of whether it's interesting or not. 606 00:20:52,745 --> 00:20:54,565 - As well, our listeners. Tell us, listeners, 607 00:20:54,935 --> 00:20:57,165 - We're talking to you again, Jerry in, in T 608 00:20:57,385 --> 00:20:59,285 or Jerry, whoever you want, wake up in 609 00:20:59,405 --> 00:21:00,405 - Tuscany. 610 00:21:00,405 --> 00:21:01,325 Yes. Okay. And we're in Italy, 611 00:21:01,385 --> 00:21:05,125 but in the Tuscan region, particularly bread, usually, um, 612 00:21:05,585 --> 00:21:07,805 people complain that Tuscan bread, when they eat it 613 00:21:07,805 --> 00:21:09,765 with a meal, is kind of flavorless. 614 00:21:09,945 --> 00:21:11,765 Ah. And that's because it's intentionally 615 00:21:11,795 --> 00:21:12,965 made without any salt. 616 00:21:13,115 --> 00:21:14,205 Okay. Sure. Um, 617 00:21:14,425 --> 00:21:16,325 now this is not the case in bread in other parts 618 00:21:16,325 --> 00:21:17,405 of Italy necessarily. 619 00:21:17,625 --> 00:21:20,485 Mm-Hmm. But in Tuscany, you don't add salt 620 00:21:20,505 --> 00:21:22,085 to the mixture when you're making bread. 621 00:21:22,145 --> 00:21:25,405 Mm. And the reason, as it was explained to me once was that 622 00:21:25,405 --> 00:21:28,525 because salt was very expensive at one time, historically. 623 00:21:28,625 --> 00:21:29,645 Ah, I, I believe 624 00:21:29,645 --> 00:21:30,445 - That's the case. I believe that. 625 00:21:30,515 --> 00:21:33,845 - Sure. So, um, so they left it out there and, 626 00:21:34,185 --> 00:21:36,085 and the cuisine developed over time 627 00:21:36,095 --> 00:21:37,805 where it developed the flavors 628 00:21:37,805 --> 00:21:39,565 elsewhere, but not in the bread. Uhhuh. 629 00:21:39,605 --> 00:21:40,725 - . Okay. - And 630 00:21:40,905 --> 00:21:44,445 but the idea, anyway, that salt of the earth Yeah. 631 00:21:44,705 --> 00:21:48,445 And referring to someone as bread is, 632 00:21:48,445 --> 00:21:49,525 they're both compliments. 633 00:21:49,555 --> 00:21:52,165 Yeah. Right. Okay. Basic fundamental. Yeah. 634 00:21:52,165 --> 00:21:53,805 Trustworthy, dependable. 635 00:21:53,805 --> 00:21:55,965 - Right. Okay. So I see I was interpreting there, 636 00:21:55,985 --> 00:21:58,205 see there's an interesting, uh, dichotomy 637 00:21:58,205 --> 00:22:01,325 because I'm interpreting that almost the same thing, 638 00:22:01,425 --> 00:22:04,445 but not as a good thing saying you were just too 639 00:22:04,445 --> 00:22:05,525 base. You were Yeah. 640 00:22:05,865 --> 00:22:07,445 - You were so fundamental that it's weren't, 641 00:22:07,445 --> 00:22:09,045 - You weren't, you're not special. Yeah, exactly. 642 00:22:09,565 --> 00:22:11,405 - I could see that. I don't think that's what it means. 643 00:22:12,075 --> 00:22:15,285 Right's that we No, no. I, I when is not that? It's not 644 00:22:15,285 --> 00:22:16,205 - That. No. Right, right. 645 00:22:16,585 --> 00:22:18,605 - Now, this is a good thing. - Okay, cool. 646 00:22:18,835 --> 00:22:20,085 What else? You guys, you got another one to, 647 00:22:20,145 --> 00:22:21,725 - To be referred to as tasteless bread. 648 00:22:21,735 --> 00:22:23,165 Right. . It's a good thing. 649 00:22:23,605 --> 00:22:26,205 - . It is a good thing. Reliable. Yes. Yes. 650 00:22:26,275 --> 00:22:28,685 Well, it's not tasty. 651 00:22:36,135 --> 00:22:37,135 - Torin. 652 00:22:37,135 --> 00:22:37,565 You f you found another one. 653 00:22:38,115 --> 00:22:40,285 - Well, I can tell you about one. Okay. 654 00:22:40,285 --> 00:22:43,325 Um, that I, I think is representative of Yeah. 655 00:22:43,325 --> 00:22:45,365 Would definitely be representative of, uh, again, going back 656 00:22:45,365 --> 00:22:46,365 to Jordan of Jordanian 657 00:22:46,365 --> 00:22:48,965 or Mediterranean culture, which is, um, one 658 00:22:48,965 --> 00:22:50,005 that I learned in a class. 659 00:22:50,365 --> 00:22:52,445 I didn't hear it ever said, but I learned in a class, um, 660 00:22:52,585 --> 00:22:55,965 the Arabic is book rfi, mish, mish, mish. 661 00:22:55,965 --> 00:22:57,445 Which literally means tomorrow if 662 00:22:57,525 --> 00:22:59,725 apricots. And so the idea of being 663 00:22:59,925 --> 00:23:01,965 - Tomorrow, if apricots - Tomorrow, if apricots. 664 00:23:02,155 --> 00:23:05,405 Okay. So literally meaning like tomorrow if apricots bloom 665 00:23:05,425 --> 00:23:06,685 or if the apricots are available. 666 00:23:07,055 --> 00:23:10,285 Uhhuh. Um, the problem being that there's only a very, 667 00:23:10,285 --> 00:23:12,445 very short season when apricots are actually blooming. 668 00:23:12,585 --> 00:23:14,405 - Ah. And - Even when they do, 669 00:23:14,555 --> 00:23:16,565 they don't last very long and you can't store them. 670 00:23:16,705 --> 00:23:19,205 Yes. So it basically, it sort of gets back to when pigs fly. 671 00:23:19,205 --> 00:23:20,445 It's sort of like Yeah. 672 00:23:20,845 --> 00:23:22,285 Tomorrow with apricots, but there aren't gonna be 673 00:23:22,285 --> 00:23:23,285 - Apricots. 674 00:23:23,285 --> 00:23:25,365 Yeah. That's a pigs fly uhhuh. That's the Jordanian version. 675 00:23:25,365 --> 00:23:26,565 Exactly. When pigs fly. Yeah. When 676 00:23:26,565 --> 00:23:27,565 - Pigs fly, for sure. 677 00:23:27,565 --> 00:23:28,685 Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 678 00:23:28,765 --> 00:23:30,325 'cause it's not, this ain't gonna happen. 679 00:23:31,065 --> 00:23:32,645 - But that's be one again, if I had heard it in 680 00:23:32,645 --> 00:23:34,245 conversation, didn't know that. Yeah. 681 00:23:34,355 --> 00:23:35,685 - Like, what the heck are you talking about? Why 682 00:23:35,685 --> 00:23:36,685 - Are we talking about apricots? 683 00:23:36,685 --> 00:23:38,205 Yeah. Are you growing apricots? 684 00:23:38,205 --> 00:23:39,325 Right. I could see myself asking that. 685 00:23:39,785 --> 00:23:41,805 - Oh, oh, okay. Good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 686 00:23:41,875 --> 00:23:44,285 Well, you know, there's an interesting thing happening in, 687 00:23:44,385 --> 00:23:46,565 in, in, in American English, and I'm, 688 00:23:46,565 --> 00:23:49,605 and this is just in the United States that it is, 689 00:23:49,755 --> 00:23:50,925 that this is happening with, 690 00:23:50,945 --> 00:23:53,405 but I know we've talked about this a little bit in the past, 691 00:23:53,585 --> 00:23:55,645 but still in the, in the midst of all of this. 692 00:23:56,185 --> 00:23:59,805 And that is what we refer to here as ASAP or Mm-Hmm. 693 00:23:59,845 --> 00:24:01,365 as soon as possible. Mm-Hmm. . 694 00:24:01,715 --> 00:24:04,765 - Well, acronyms are very confusing. 695 00:24:05,075 --> 00:24:06,725 - Very confusing. And to some degree 696 00:24:07,425 --> 00:24:10,285 it has crossed over from being not only an acronym though, 697 00:24:10,285 --> 00:24:13,685 but the, the actual phrase as soon as possible. 698 00:24:13,685 --> 00:24:15,685 Right, right. Right. Is becomes an idiom 699 00:24:16,075 --> 00:24:18,685 because according to who is 700 00:24:19,005 --> 00:24:20,325 - Possible, what does that mean? And 701 00:24:20,325 --> 00:24:22,085 - If you're dealing with culture that have a 702 00:24:22,085 --> 00:24:23,165 different concept of time, 703 00:24:23,265 --> 00:24:24,265 - Ah, ah, - Yeah. 704 00:24:24,265 --> 00:24:25,445 - So that gets broken up. Then what becomes 705 00:24:25,765 --> 00:24:27,325 - Possible if you're dealing with individuals 706 00:24:27,505 --> 00:24:29,245 who have a different concept of time, 707 00:24:29,245 --> 00:24:30,725 - Well, individuals, concepts of time, 708 00:24:30,725 --> 00:24:32,485 they're often culturally determined 709 00:24:32,825 --> 00:24:34,445 - And will to, to some degree. 710 00:24:34,585 --> 00:24:35,845 Yes. I think you're right. Yep. 711 00:24:35,945 --> 00:24:38,045 But I'm saying in the United States, you send me something 712 00:24:38,045 --> 00:24:40,965 that says as soon as possible, my first reaction to that 713 00:24:41,545 --> 00:24:44,805 has been for a long time is get this done when you 714 00:24:44,865 --> 00:24:45,865 - Can. 715 00:24:45,865 --> 00:24:46,445 Right. As opposed to right now. 716 00:24:46,945 --> 00:24:49,965 - Now if you look out and throw all the things out there, 717 00:24:49,965 --> 00:24:52,645 and of course online where everything is true, , 718 00:24:52,785 --> 00:24:55,525 if you look as soon as possible, is interpreted as now. 719 00:24:55,635 --> 00:24:56,925 Sure. Right now. No, it totally. 720 00:24:57,345 --> 00:24:58,345 - So - You gotta get it done now. 721 00:24:58,395 --> 00:25:00,605 - Stop everything, do this and do this now. 722 00:25:00,905 --> 00:25:03,845 - Yes. And that is not really what it's saying. Right. 723 00:25:03,845 --> 00:25:05,405 Because if you literally interpret it, 724 00:25:05,425 --> 00:25:07,485 it means when you have the opportunity, 725 00:25:08,025 --> 00:25:09,025 - That's possible. 726 00:25:09,025 --> 00:25:10,605 - Right. I was working with a customer in Taiwan 727 00:25:11,265 --> 00:25:15,805 who was completely befuddled at the American reaction when 728 00:25:15,825 --> 00:25:19,965 the American asked them to send this package ASAP 729 00:25:19,965 --> 00:25:24,005 to them from, from Taiwan, and he didn't do anything. 730 00:25:24,155 --> 00:25:27,205 Yeah. And the Americanist starts to push on this, like, 731 00:25:27,585 --> 00:25:30,205 I'm waiting for the package, I need this package now. 732 00:25:30,545 --> 00:25:31,645 And he pushed back and he said, 733 00:25:31,645 --> 00:25:33,605 but you said send it as soon as possible. 734 00:25:33,835 --> 00:25:36,645 Yeah. It's not possible for me to send it now, now, 735 00:25:36,825 --> 00:25:38,805 and maybe I'll be able to send it next week. 736 00:25:39,365 --> 00:25:40,845 I can't really tell you when. Yeah. 737 00:25:40,865 --> 00:25:41,885 But you're not asking me 738 00:25:41,885 --> 00:25:43,445 to tell you when you're just telling 739 00:25:43,465 --> 00:25:44,645 me, send it when you can. 740 00:25:44,785 --> 00:25:46,885 - And if you annoy me, maybe when the apricots bloom, 741 00:25:47,265 --> 00:25:48,925 - And if you annoy me, you're never gonna get it. 742 00:25:49,565 --> 00:25:51,085 - Tomorrow of apricots is not gonna be, 743 00:25:52,065 --> 00:25:54,205 but you know, apricots grow better 744 00:25:54,385 --> 00:25:56,245 in a Mediterranean climate. Right. So, 745 00:25:56,585 --> 00:25:57,845 - So it's reference point for them. 746 00:25:57,955 --> 00:26:00,325 That makes sense. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Absolutely. 747 00:26:00,825 --> 00:26:03,285 - Um, I just wanna share, I I, I think it's interesting 748 00:26:03,285 --> 00:26:05,005 to think about the origin of idioms 749 00:26:05,005 --> 00:26:07,125 and how oftentimes, you know, 750 00:26:07,225 --> 00:26:08,645 we don't really know what the origins are. 751 00:26:08,675 --> 00:26:10,405 It's, or it's unclear and there's different theories 752 00:26:10,405 --> 00:26:12,005 because I looked up what the origin might be 753 00:26:12,005 --> 00:26:13,605 to win pig's flag, because I was just curious, 754 00:26:14,225 --> 00:26:15,485 and apparently it's unknown, 755 00:26:15,945 --> 00:26:18,245 but there was a 16th century writing that references. 756 00:26:18,625 --> 00:26:21,085 Um, the author was saying, basically you, like, you know, 757 00:26:21,275 --> 00:26:23,245 when pigs fly, but it was when pigs fly 758 00:26:23,245 --> 00:26:24,245 with their tails forward. 759 00:26:24,975 --> 00:26:26,155 So it wasn't just, when pigs fly 760 00:26:26,355 --> 00:26:27,515 - , now we gotta get 'em going backwards. 761 00:26:27,675 --> 00:26:28,875 - , if you got any more specific. Okay. 762 00:26:29,105 --> 00:26:30,875 - Well, because in medieval times they 763 00:26:30,875 --> 00:26:32,115 were pigs that were flying. 764 00:26:32,115 --> 00:26:34,155 That's true. Exactly. But they never flew backwards. 765 00:26:34,325 --> 00:26:36,195 - Right. Never saw that. That's not gonna happen. 766 00:26:36,195 --> 00:26:37,515 Never. Of course they're gonna fly. 767 00:26:37,515 --> 00:26:39,875 - Yeah. Yeah. And it's only pigs with tails, so. 768 00:26:39,905 --> 00:26:41,915 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because they have to point backwards, not 769 00:26:41,915 --> 00:26:43,445 - The tailless pigs, - You, your, 770 00:26:43,445 --> 00:26:46,205 your grounded tailless pigs have nothing to do with this 771 00:26:46,485 --> 00:26:47,485 - . 772 00:26:47,485 --> 00:26:48,045 That's right. So you gotta specify here 773 00:26:48,315 --> 00:26:50,925 - It's a, or if they have a tail in the front 774 00:26:51,095 --> 00:26:52,245 Uhhuh too. Yeah. So, 775 00:26:52,315 --> 00:26:54,965 - Well, we've seen the unicorn tapestries, so we know 776 00:26:54,965 --> 00:26:56,685 that unicorns existed in the middle age. 777 00:26:56,685 --> 00:26:59,005 Of course. Absolutely. So we also seen, wait 778 00:26:59,005 --> 00:27:00,125 - A minute, what, what are you saying? 779 00:27:00,375 --> 00:27:01,725 We've also seen, we don't exist now, 780 00:27:01,895 --> 00:27:05,325 - We've also seen the piggy tapestries, haven't we? The 781 00:27:05,545 --> 00:27:06,725 - The piggy Yes. The piggies, the 782 00:27:06,915 --> 00:27:07,965 - Pigs, the flying pigs, the ones 783 00:27:07,965 --> 00:27:09,765 that were flying. Absolutely. They're also from the, 784 00:27:09,765 --> 00:27:10,765 - With the little wings. 785 00:27:10,795 --> 00:27:11,805 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, 786 00:27:11,805 --> 00:27:12,805 - Nice. 787 00:27:12,805 --> 00:27:13,845 But then interestingly, to your point, 788 00:27:13,915 --> 00:27:15,205 they're not flying backwards. 789 00:27:15,205 --> 00:27:18,405 - They're not, see you get those tapestries out there, 790 00:27:18,905 --> 00:27:21,845 you might think, you know, those pigs can fly. 791 00:27:22,195 --> 00:27:24,845 Yeah. But I don't see 'em flying backwards, so. 792 00:27:25,075 --> 00:27:26,365 Sure. Makes perfect 793 00:27:26,365 --> 00:27:27,365 - Sense. 794 00:27:27,365 --> 00:27:27,845 That really, that really tickled me. 795 00:27:27,945 --> 00:27:30,005 - And we think we are messed up as, 796 00:27:30,225 --> 00:27:31,605 as a humans at this point. 797 00:27:32,185 --> 00:27:34,925 And by the way, certainly footnote here, we are messed up. 798 00:27:34,985 --> 00:27:36,485 Oh, okay. Just moving on. Um, 799 00:27:36,585 --> 00:27:37,845 - So, so t just, I, I 800 00:27:38,165 --> 00:27:40,165 'cause in, in telling about, um, 801 00:27:41,425 --> 00:27:44,165 in telling you about when I heard that idiom with chickens, 802 00:27:44,165 --> 00:27:45,605 again, I wish I remember what it actually was, 803 00:27:45,705 --> 00:27:46,805 but when I heard that 804 00:27:46,805 --> 00:27:49,245 and just sort of my internal process there of going, 805 00:27:49,385 --> 00:27:51,925 you know, I should have known what that that idiom by now. 806 00:27:51,945 --> 00:27:54,325 And what are your, what are your thoughts on your, 807 00:27:54,555 --> 00:27:55,925 somewhere international 808 00:27:55,925 --> 00:27:57,605 and a culture you're not familiar with 809 00:27:57,905 --> 00:27:59,285 and you hear an idiom like that? 810 00:27:59,415 --> 00:28:00,445 Maybe it's a business meeting 811 00:28:00,505 --> 00:28:02,005 or a social event or whatever it might be. 812 00:28:02,005 --> 00:28:04,565 What, what are your thoughts on what you do? Ah, how do 813 00:28:04,565 --> 00:28:05,565 - You handle that? 814 00:28:05,565 --> 00:28:07,565 You know, whenever you're en encountering something 815 00:28:07,565 --> 00:28:09,845 that you don't understand culturally, you're in a culture 816 00:28:09,845 --> 00:28:10,525 and you go, wait a minute, 817 00:28:10,525 --> 00:28:11,885 there's something I'm not getting here. 818 00:28:11,935 --> 00:28:16,805 Right. You really should be able to control the situation so 819 00:28:16,805 --> 00:28:18,405 that you can ask the question. 820 00:28:18,765 --> 00:28:22,725 Hmm. I mean, there's nothing really wrong in being able 821 00:28:22,725 --> 00:28:25,245 to say, ideally this is your strategy. 822 00:28:25,825 --> 00:28:27,245 Um, hold on for a second. 823 00:28:27,785 --> 00:28:29,765 Um, I don't understand what you just said. 824 00:28:30,005 --> 00:28:34,485 I think we don't, we don't have a similar phrase in English. 825 00:28:34,485 --> 00:28:37,405 Mm-Hmm. Um, could you explain that? Mm-Hmm. 826 00:28:37,515 --> 00:28:38,965 I've never heard that before. Yeah. 827 00:28:39,145 --> 00:28:41,205 Now I know that sometimes you can't do that. 828 00:28:41,265 --> 00:28:44,445 You can't stop the business negotiation necessarily. 829 00:28:44,665 --> 00:28:47,045 Or, or maybe there's a tense moment 830 00:28:47,225 --> 00:28:49,365 and your relationship is not as good as it should. 831 00:28:49,465 --> 00:28:51,845 So that you asking them 832 00:28:51,905 --> 00:28:55,685 to explain themselves might be interpreted as, uh, sure. 833 00:28:56,185 --> 00:28:57,205 As, as a problem. 834 00:28:58,185 --> 00:29:01,205 But ideally you should be able to, and, 835 00:29:01,225 --> 00:29:04,205 and I, I think for most people, in most circumstances, 836 00:29:04,315 --> 00:29:08,405 they can much more than they think they can stop the show 837 00:29:08,505 --> 00:29:11,925 and say, whoa, you know, I've never heard 838 00:29:11,925 --> 00:29:13,085 that phrase before. 839 00:29:13,305 --> 00:29:16,645 We don't use that in English. What does that mean? Yeah. 840 00:29:16,905 --> 00:29:18,805 And because everybody knows 841 00:29:18,805 --> 00:29:21,685 that there are things you are gonna say and, 842 00:29:21,705 --> 00:29:22,885 and, and you can add. 843 00:29:22,905 --> 00:29:24,485 And by the way, if I ever say anything 844 00:29:24,485 --> 00:29:25,725 that you don't understand, please, 845 00:29:25,985 --> 00:29:27,365 please ask me. That's what I 846 00:29:27,365 --> 00:29:28,005 - Was gonna say. I imagine 847 00:29:28,065 --> 00:29:29,085 - It must, must be make it reciprocal 848 00:29:29,715 --> 00:29:30,765 - Must be flow. Yeah. 849 00:29:30,885 --> 00:29:31,885 - Appreciation of, 850 00:29:31,905 --> 00:29:33,805 we wanna make sure there's no gaps in communication. 851 00:29:33,835 --> 00:29:35,285 - Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. 852 00:29:35,315 --> 00:29:37,445 - Okay. And I think too, you mentioned in, in, in, 853 00:29:37,545 --> 00:29:40,445 in your explanation there in like negotiations and stuff 854 00:29:40,445 --> 00:29:42,045 and whether you could stop it at that moment. 855 00:29:42,665 --> 00:29:44,845 And I think when you really think about that in a business 856 00:29:44,845 --> 00:29:47,965 or a personal negotiation for that matter, um, if, 857 00:29:48,265 --> 00:29:51,605 if you didn't understand something like that as opposed 858 00:29:51,665 --> 00:29:53,805 to thinking you can figure it out. 859 00:29:53,805 --> 00:29:56,565 Mm-Hmm. you probably should make sure you know 860 00:29:56,565 --> 00:29:57,925 what the heck they were saying. 861 00:29:58,725 --> 00:30:00,965 - Absolutely. - 'cause otherwise you could really end up in 862 00:30:01,005 --> 00:30:03,165 a, in a bad spa, in a bad place. Yeah. 863 00:30:03,225 --> 00:30:05,085 - And it sounds like, you know, 864 00:30:05,405 --> 00:30:07,165 'cause again, I, I maybe wasn't giving myself, 865 00:30:07,185 --> 00:30:09,965 and by the example, I gave a ton of grace in that moment. 866 00:30:10,085 --> 00:30:11,325 I was sort of saying, I, I should have 867 00:30:11,325 --> 00:30:12,365 known more, but maybe Yeah. 868 00:30:12,365 --> 00:30:14,645 Giving some, some grace to yourself and the other, and Yeah. 869 00:30:14,825 --> 00:30:16,965 The other party there saying, yeah, gaps 870 00:30:16,965 --> 00:30:18,805 of communication gonna happen, let's try to bridge that. 871 00:30:18,975 --> 00:30:21,285 - Right. I mean, they know that you're not of their culture. 872 00:30:21,335 --> 00:30:23,125 Right. Right. So as soon as you admit that, 873 00:30:23,825 --> 00:30:25,565 and by the way, if I ever say anything 874 00:30:25,635 --> 00:30:28,085 that you don't understand, please ask me. 875 00:30:28,085 --> 00:30:29,805 Mm-Hmm. Yeah. I'll do my best to explain. 876 00:30:30,155 --> 00:30:31,325 - Yeah. I'm sure I used many, uh, 877 00:30:31,645 --> 00:30:32,965 baseball related idiom idioms 878 00:30:33,325 --> 00:30:34,325 - Probably without even thinking about. 879 00:30:34,505 --> 00:30:35,605 I'm sure I did. Yeah. 880 00:30:35,665 --> 00:30:38,325 And I think in another thing that goes with it, I mean, 881 00:30:38,365 --> 00:30:39,965 I took a lot of years of Spanish 882 00:30:40,705 --> 00:30:44,045 and, um, remembered unfortunately not anywhere near 883 00:30:44,065 --> 00:30:45,565 as as much as I should have. Same 884 00:30:45,565 --> 00:30:46,565 - With my French. 885 00:30:46,565 --> 00:30:48,525 - Yeah. And, you know, kicked back in when I went to places 886 00:30:48,755 --> 00:30:50,365 that were Spanish speaking countries. 887 00:30:50,425 --> 00:30:52,565 But, but it, to a degree at least, 888 00:30:53,145 --> 00:30:57,285 but it, it's, it's a how much do you get taught idioms, 889 00:30:57,625 --> 00:30:59,885 you know, I guess it depends on the language 890 00:31:00,315 --> 00:31:01,365 instruction you're getting. 891 00:31:01,905 --> 00:31:03,405 - And most of the time you're getting it. 892 00:31:03,435 --> 00:31:06,285 It's subliminally you grow up with it. Mm-Hmm. 893 00:31:06,325 --> 00:31:07,485 - . - Well, that's it. It's so conversational. 894 00:31:07,605 --> 00:31:10,285 - I mean Yeah. So it is, I don't know that it's built in 895 00:31:10,365 --> 00:31:11,525 'cause you're getting vocabulary, 896 00:31:11,575 --> 00:31:13,685 vocabulary doesn't help you with idioms that's 897 00:31:13,765 --> 00:31:14,765 - Not gonna go - There. 898 00:31:14,765 --> 00:31:16,605 Right. Because that's a literal translation of the word. 899 00:31:16,635 --> 00:31:19,005 Yeah. So it's what are you doing with that? 900 00:31:19,065 --> 00:31:20,245 You now, you're trying to put it together 901 00:31:20,245 --> 00:31:22,005 and pull it apart in a, in a manner 902 00:31:22,005 --> 00:31:23,205 that is gonna be confusing 903 00:31:23,305 --> 00:31:24,925 - In, in my experience, working with people 904 00:31:24,945 --> 00:31:26,205 who are working in other countries 905 00:31:26,205 --> 00:31:28,605 and my own personal experience, not only with the people, 906 00:31:28,625 --> 00:31:29,845 but myself as well. 907 00:31:30,355 --> 00:31:32,685 Time and time again, we have this inclination, 908 00:31:33,155 --> 00:31:34,725 I've seen this and, and, and, 909 00:31:34,745 --> 00:31:38,245 and I think we need to be conscious of it, uh, um, to, 910 00:31:39,425 --> 00:31:42,645 if we ask a question where I'm afraid I'm going 911 00:31:42,645 --> 00:31:44,285 to be seen as foolish Mm. 912 00:31:44,745 --> 00:31:47,285 Or I'm afraid I'm gonna be seen as ignorant. 913 00:31:47,825 --> 00:31:51,125 And the truth is, you are ignorant. Right. That's okay. 914 00:31:51,125 --> 00:31:53,325 Because you don't know the culture. Yeah. It's okay. Yeah. 915 00:31:53,325 --> 00:31:55,725 Right. It's okay. Right. I mean, you get a pass on this. 916 00:31:55,755 --> 00:31:58,285 Yeah. Especially when you remind the other person that, 917 00:31:58,425 --> 00:32:01,165 by the way, I'll give you a pass when you do it too. 918 00:32:01,455 --> 00:32:02,765 Right? Sure. Two way street. 919 00:32:02,945 --> 00:32:06,605 So we tend to avoid asking these kinds of questions at, 920 00:32:06,665 --> 00:32:10,085 or making statements that imply some way 921 00:32:10,085 --> 00:32:11,765 that you don't know something about them. 922 00:32:12,055 --> 00:32:13,885 Right, right. Truth is they know you 923 00:32:13,885 --> 00:32:15,125 don't know anything about them. 924 00:32:15,125 --> 00:32:16,365 Yeah. It's okay. Yeah. Or, or 925 00:32:16,365 --> 00:32:18,085 that you're missing this information. Mm-Hmm. 926 00:32:18,105 --> 00:32:21,285 - And also I think you're a, if you ask for their help Yeah. 927 00:32:21,395 --> 00:32:23,245 It's like, uh, I think it's a fairly, you open 928 00:32:23,245 --> 00:32:24,245 - Universal. 929 00:32:24,245 --> 00:32:25,125 - You sure. Do you really open the door? 930 00:32:25,285 --> 00:32:26,485 I think that's a universal reaction. 931 00:32:26,605 --> 00:32:28,205 I think you can say if I'm wrong, 932 00:32:28,305 --> 00:32:30,125 but I think across cultures you're gonna find 933 00:32:30,125 --> 00:32:31,765 people respond to that. 934 00:32:32,075 --> 00:32:35,245 Yeah. As opposed to the kind of the, 935 00:32:35,265 --> 00:32:37,125 the whole mess you can get into when you're, 936 00:32:37,185 --> 00:32:39,100 - And one, and one of the nice things that is 937 00:32:39,100 --> 00:32:40,900 that people really love to talk about their culture. 938 00:32:41,205 --> 00:32:43,245 Hmm. Yeah. So if you don't understand an idiom 939 00:32:43,245 --> 00:32:44,765 or any aspect of their culture, 940 00:32:45,505 --> 00:32:46,505 - Ask Yeah. 941 00:32:46,505 --> 00:32:49,725 - Most of the time it's opening a door that allows 942 00:32:49,725 --> 00:32:51,125 for the building of a relationship. 943 00:32:51,145 --> 00:32:53,005 Mm-Hmm. that is important. 944 00:32:53,445 --> 00:32:54,485 - I think it's also very possible, 945 00:32:54,545 --> 00:32:55,925 as we've already said a couple of times, 946 00:32:56,105 --> 00:32:58,445 but I think it's very possible that the person 947 00:32:58,985 --> 00:33:02,765 or the people who are using the idiom are not seeing it 948 00:33:02,785 --> 00:33:03,845 as something, um, yeah. 949 00:33:03,845 --> 00:33:05,565 Extraordinary at all. Yeah. 950 00:33:05,565 --> 00:33:07,285 So they're seeing it as, as very, 951 00:33:07,315 --> 00:33:08,685 very common and Right. Very, 952 00:33:08,685 --> 00:33:09,885 - Very happy to Yeah. 953 00:33:10,425 --> 00:33:12,845 Say, oh, oh, you know, I didn't realize that, that that was, 954 00:33:12,945 --> 00:33:14,805 you know, again, a gap of communication here, 955 00:33:14,825 --> 00:33:15,885 so I'm happy to explain it. 956 00:33:15,915 --> 00:33:16,925 Yeah. Yeah. Didn't, didn't even 957 00:33:16,925 --> 00:33:17,965 think about it. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. 958 00:33:18,235 --> 00:33:20,365 - Yeah. Absolutely. Nice. Well, that's helpful. Yeah. 959 00:33:20,545 --> 00:33:22,365 To me, Well, you know, I, 960 00:33:22,675 --> 00:33:24,565 - Well, I, I feel less of an idiot at 961 00:33:24,755 --> 00:33:25,325 - Yeah. I don't feel 962 00:33:25,875 --> 00:33:26,875 - Anymore. 963 00:33:26,875 --> 00:33:28,445 - I idiot. Yeah, exactly. 964 00:33:29,265 --> 00:33:30,685 - I'm, I'm not the idiot idiot 965 00:33:30,795 --> 00:33:32,885 that I was when we started. Yeah. 966 00:33:33,365 --> 00:33:35,325 - . Yeah. Okay, we'll go with that. 967 00:33:35,465 --> 00:33:37,485 I'm a different shade of I . Yeah. 968 00:33:37,765 --> 00:33:39,965 I think I, I I like that. Yes. 969 00:33:40,145 --> 00:33:42,165 We pulled a different crayon out of the Cray box. 970 00:33:42,435 --> 00:33:43,485 - It's a song from the seventies 971 00:33:43,535 --> 00:33:44,535 - Level of . 972 00:33:44,735 --> 00:33:46,205 - Shade - Of Idiot. Shady of Idiot. 973 00:33:46,465 --> 00:33:47,845 It may very well have been. Yes. 974 00:33:48,385 --> 00:33:51,525 It, um, Well, I, I, I think we've, 975 00:33:51,535 --> 00:33:53,645 we've covered ground very nicely in this 976 00:33:53,645 --> 00:33:54,725 subject and I think so too. 977 00:33:54,785 --> 00:33:57,205 And I think there's, honestly, I'm gonna say there's 978 00:33:57,225 --> 00:34:00,445 so many idioms to Covered, grounded sort of an idiom. 979 00:34:00,505 --> 00:34:02,565 We might, we might revisit this. Yes. Mm-Hmm. 980 00:34:02,605 --> 00:34:03,805 , yeah. Maybe. Yeah. 981 00:34:03,805 --> 00:34:05,565 Covered ground, I guess it would be. Yeah. Yeah. 982 00:34:05,565 --> 00:34:07,285 There we go. I'm not sure at all where 983 00:34:07,285 --> 00:34:08,525 that would come from . 984 00:34:09,285 --> 00:34:10,445 I would imagine. I can imagine. 985 00:34:10,545 --> 00:34:12,165 But we don't have time to. Yeah. 986 00:34:12,165 --> 00:34:13,245 - I don't know. And now I feel like an idiot 987 00:34:13,245 --> 00:34:14,245 - Again because I don't know. 988 00:34:14,265 --> 00:34:18,565 Oh, well, well, as the old phrase goes, 989 00:34:18,625 --> 00:34:20,445 you don't know what you don't know. 990 00:34:21,095 --> 00:34:23,325 - Again, deep. - Well, that's why we are. 991 00:34:23,545 --> 00:34:24,765 And, and that's why we are here. 992 00:34:25,785 --> 00:34:27,925 - Yes. And also, but the reason we're here is 993 00:34:27,925 --> 00:34:30,965 because, oops, your 994 00:34:30,965 --> 00:34:32,205 - Culture showing, your showing 995 00:34:33,735 --> 00:34:34,965 - Smell you 996 00:34:45,425 --> 00:34:46,445 before you run off 997 00:34:46,445 --> 00:34:48,445 and disappear back into your own cultures. 998 00:34:49,065 --> 00:34:51,925 Let me give you some information about something we really 999 00:34:51,995 --> 00:34:54,845 want you to know, and that's how to get hold of us. 1000 00:34:55,595 --> 00:34:57,525 Give us your questions, your comments, 1001 00:34:58,085 --> 00:35:00,405 anything along those lines by email. 1002 00:35:01,115 --> 00:35:04,685 It's oops. Cultures show@gmail.com. 1003 00:35:05,385 --> 00:35:08,405 And be sure to follow us on whatever social media you 1004 00:35:08,465 --> 00:35:09,725 use at Oops. 1005 00:35:09,955 --> 00:35:11,845 Culture show. Thanks.