1 00:00:00,980 --> 00:00:03,390 This is live talk with Dwayne Moore. 2 00:00:03,910 --> 00:00:06,830 We're talking worship on a global scale. 3 00:00:10,610 --> 00:00:14,190 Hey, everybody. Welcome to live talk. I'm Dwayne Moore. Um, 4 00:00:14,190 --> 00:00:17,230 maybe a little bit more of a sedated version of me. Uh, 5 00:00:17,370 --> 00:00:21,670 I'm still trying to get back in the swing of things after a, um, 6 00:00:22,260 --> 00:00:26,350 a wonderful but long, uh, and frankly tiring, uh, 7 00:00:26,420 --> 00:00:28,790 trip to Africa. Uh, 8 00:00:28,790 --> 00:00:33,110 I've been there six weeks just shy of six weeks and, um, 9 00:00:33,210 --> 00:00:37,750 got back this weekend and so had a few days to 10 00:00:37,750 --> 00:00:42,590 recoup. And I'm about I'm about back to normal, I think, but, um, 11 00:00:42,590 --> 00:00:44,110 I mean it's eight hours ahead there. 12 00:00:44,110 --> 00:00:46,910 So my body right now tells me it's about time to, uh, 13 00:00:46,910 --> 00:00:48,750 be shutting it down for the night. Well, 14 00:00:48,750 --> 00:00:52,230 I'm recording this in midafternoon where I live in Alabama, 15 00:00:52,230 --> 00:00:57,070 but in Kenya where I was just four days ago, uh, 16 00:00:57,070 --> 00:00:59,550 it is time to go to bed. 17 00:00:59,690 --> 00:01:03,390 And so my body still is a bit confused. Um, 18 00:01:03,390 --> 00:01:06,830 but we're glad you've joined us for live talk wherever you may be. Uh, 19 00:01:06,830 --> 00:01:11,430 we have people that watch as far away as Pakistan and other parts of Asia, uh, 20 00:01:11,430 --> 00:01:13,190 via king television. So welcome. 21 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:18,190 We also have people that are listening by podcast in different parts of the 22 00:01:18,190 --> 00:01:21,990 world. Thank God for technology that allows us this to happen. 23 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,750 We have people that are watching, uh, 24 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,630 on YouTube or perhaps on Facebook live. 25 00:01:28,810 --> 00:01:32,950 And you may be a pastor or worship leader. You may be a, a Christian. 26 00:01:33,050 --> 00:01:37,230 You may not be a Christian. You may be someone who doesn't claim to, 27 00:01:37,230 --> 00:01:40,150 to know Jesus. You may not know him personally, 28 00:01:40,150 --> 00:01:44,670 but you're interested in people like me that talk about Christianity 29 00:01:44,770 --> 00:01:48,510 and talk about worship. And that's really what we do on this, on this podcast, 30 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:53,310 on this live talk show, we, we bring you guests that, 31 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:57,590 uh, are leaders in the church often will do that, or they, they are authors. 32 00:01:58,360 --> 00:01:58,860 Um, 33 00:01:58,860 --> 00:02:03,390 they may be business people who believe in Jesus 34 00:02:03,390 --> 00:02:06,070 Christ, follow him with their lives, 35 00:02:06,070 --> 00:02:10,870 but they also have leadership principles that anyone can apply and learn 36 00:02:10,870 --> 00:02:11,703 from. 37 00:02:12,580 --> 00:02:16,050 So wherever you are in the spectrum of that welcome, 38 00:02:16,830 --> 00:02:21,000 please know that you are very welcome and we are glad that you joined us today. 39 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:25,320 We have a special guest with us named Josh ands. Josh, uh, 40 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:30,040 is a great friend. He's been a friend for, uh, several years now. Uh, uh, 41 00:02:30,110 --> 00:02:32,040 I remember how his wife, 42 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:36,000 Deanna actually reached out to me via email while I was a worship pastor in 43 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:40,990 Louisville, Kentucky. And, uh, she emailed me a few times, 44 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,270 uh, just asking, is there any way that we, 45 00:02:45,260 --> 00:02:47,990 that we can get together that, that I could actually, uh, 46 00:02:49,110 --> 00:02:51,710 Skype in or zoom in as the case may be, and, 47 00:02:51,710 --> 00:02:56,430 and talk to the Bible study group at their church that was 48 00:02:56,430 --> 00:02:59,640 using my book, pure praise. And so they wanted the, you know, 49 00:02:59,640 --> 00:03:04,480 the guy that wrote it to, to say a few words to, to their, their class, 50 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:08,800 which I was, was glad to do. If I have the time, I, I love those opportunities. 51 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:09,680 And I do those often. 52 00:03:10,940 --> 00:03:14,710 I did not know from that simple gesture, 53 00:03:14,860 --> 00:03:19,230 both from her and, and back back to them in, 54 00:03:19,230 --> 00:03:23,470 in coming into their class, I did not know the friendship. It would lead to, 55 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,510 uh, as well as the great partnership of ministry. Uh, 56 00:03:27,510 --> 00:03:29,670 as you will hear in this interview, um, 57 00:03:29,670 --> 00:03:32,950 we've been able to work together for several occasions, uh, 58 00:03:32,950 --> 00:03:34,550 doing several different, uh, 59 00:03:34,550 --> 00:03:39,190 activities and conferences together and work together. And so, uh, 60 00:03:39,940 --> 00:03:42,360 I'm excited to bring you Josh ands as a, 61 00:03:42,650 --> 00:03:47,080 as a someone to learn from and leadership, uh, learn 62 00:03:48,970 --> 00:03:53,710 not only leading in his home, um, in his church, but also in his home, uh, 63 00:03:53,710 --> 00:03:58,550 and the humility he has, although he is a very, very strong, talented leader. 64 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:03,390 Um, he has a great dependence on the Lord. So you'll see all that. 65 00:04:03,390 --> 00:04:06,070 You'll hear that in a few moments before we get to Josh today, 66 00:04:07,300 --> 00:04:12,050 I want to tell you a little about the Africa 67 00:04:12,050 --> 00:04:15,250 trip. If you'll indulge me to do that for a few moments. So we'll be, 68 00:04:15,250 --> 00:04:17,770 we'll be back in a few moments with more live talk. 69 00:04:17,770 --> 00:04:22,730 And I'm going to take a few minutes to talk about Africa and what all God 70 00:04:22,730 --> 00:04:26,970 did there, and then we'll get to Josh's interview today. 71 00:04:26,970 --> 00:04:28,730 We'll be right back with more live talk. Thanks. 72 00:04:30,210 --> 00:04:31,620 You're listening to live. 73 00:04:31,620 --> 00:04:35,740 Talk with Dwayne Moore international conversations on worship. 74 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:44,820 Hey, everybody, we are back with live talk, and I'm doing more. I as promised. 75 00:04:44,820 --> 00:04:49,020 I wanna tell you about Africa. I wanna tell you about our, our tour there. Um, 76 00:04:49,750 --> 00:04:54,460 it was incredible. And, and, and I, I gotta tell you that I'm still, uh, yes, 77 00:04:54,460 --> 00:04:59,220 I'm tired physically, but oh, my, my spirit is soaring from how God, uh, 78 00:04:59,220 --> 00:05:03,580 used next level worship and to, to make connections there, 79 00:05:03,910 --> 00:05:07,420 uh, brought us together with some key key leaders, um, 80 00:05:09,190 --> 00:05:13,770 got to pour into some wonderful, uh, Christians and, and believers in, 81 00:05:13,770 --> 00:05:14,250 in the Lord, 82 00:05:14,250 --> 00:05:17,850 and also to share our faith with those that didn't know the Lord we got to, um, 83 00:05:18,610 --> 00:05:23,050 teach children the gospel teach. 'em about worship out in the villages in, 84 00:05:23,050 --> 00:05:25,850 in Africa. Hey, there's a lot I could tell you, 85 00:05:25,850 --> 00:05:29,450 but I think if we let you see it, it would be better. So here is, uh, 86 00:05:29,450 --> 00:05:32,330 here is a quick overview in, 87 00:05:32,330 --> 00:05:36,930 in pictures of what we just experienced in Africa, watch this 88 00:06:37,990 --> 00:06:39,980 So you can see why I am beaming. 89 00:06:40,570 --> 00:06:45,340 I am so grateful for all of our donors. Um, 90 00:06:45,340 --> 00:06:49,180 many people pitched in to help support that effort that was 91 00:06:50,510 --> 00:06:51,850 financially. Honestly, 92 00:06:51,850 --> 00:06:56,290 it cost a lot of money to travel that many places and do that much 93 00:06:56,610 --> 00:06:59,770 ministry packed that much in. And so, um, 94 00:06:59,770 --> 00:07:04,450 we spent around $60,000, uh, uh, 95 00:07:04,450 --> 00:07:08,050 which was, you know, a lot of money for our small organization. 96 00:07:08,050 --> 00:07:11,450 It'd be a lot of money, I guess, for anyone, anybody. Um, 97 00:07:11,710 --> 00:07:16,050 but you can't put a, a dollar figure on a soul, you know, and we, 98 00:07:16,050 --> 00:07:20,570 we saw many and we, we're only not saying a number cause they're children. 99 00:07:20,570 --> 00:07:24,450 We don't wanna, we wanna, we don't wanna say exact numbers. Although I, 100 00:07:24,450 --> 00:07:27,290 I have an exact number in my mind, pretty close to an exact number. 101 00:07:27,290 --> 00:07:28,850 I'm not gonna say it. Uh, 102 00:07:28,850 --> 00:07:31,730 I'm just gonna say that many children came to know Christ. 103 00:07:31,740 --> 00:07:35,330 We don't know a child's heart. There could have been more, 104 00:07:35,510 --> 00:07:38,610 may have been a few less than I'm aware of, but, uh, 105 00:07:38,610 --> 00:07:42,930 we know that many stepped forward saying they wanted to know Jesus as their 106 00:07:42,930 --> 00:07:45,810 savior and Lord. Wow. And, um, 107 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,890 hats off to first Baptist church of Lexington, Tennessee, 108 00:07:50,260 --> 00:07:54,090 to all of Baptist church in Pennsylvania. I'm in Pennsylvania. I don't know. 109 00:07:54,090 --> 00:07:58,970 I said that Pensacola, Florida, uh, to Chris Mellon, who is in Pennsylvania and, 110 00:07:59,290 --> 00:08:04,290 uh, Travis Bly and, uh, up in Syracuse, New York and, um, 111 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:08,010 just incredible team of people that came together from, 112 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:12,370 from different parts of the, of the country and the world, frankly. Uh, 113 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:17,250 I thank God for Mike suey, uh, who came from Ohio. Um, 114 00:08:17,490 --> 00:08:21,370 thank God for, uh, Joyce swinger who came from Virginia. And I, 115 00:08:21,430 --> 00:08:23,930 I'm sure I'm gonna leasing people out of our start naming and all these, 116 00:08:23,930 --> 00:08:26,530 but these are all people from that are part of our team, 117 00:08:26,530 --> 00:08:31,530 our community at next step worship. And they came together, uh, to help us, um, 118 00:08:32,260 --> 00:08:35,730 in this six week adventure now, not all of 'em came for that whole time. 119 00:08:36,020 --> 00:08:39,090 We brought in a team for Zambia, for example, 120 00:08:39,090 --> 00:08:42,090 and then they went back home and then if we had another team come in, 121 00:08:42,090 --> 00:08:44,930 so I would, what I would do, I would go to one place and, 122 00:08:44,990 --> 00:08:48,410 and work with one team. And then I would fly down to another country and meet, 123 00:08:48,410 --> 00:08:52,370 meet up with another team, Henry Pretorius, for example, who is, uh, 124 00:08:52,580 --> 00:08:57,560 on our team in South Africa and Mitchell Lawrence and 125 00:08:57,560 --> 00:08:58,960 his wife cattle and, and, 126 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,640 and this phenomenal team got us building around next level worship in 127 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:07,560 South Africa, got to do that, got to go see what God's doing, uh, 128 00:09:07,570 --> 00:09:10,880 on, on the, the Western Cape, uh, 129 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,080 in Cape town and never been there before. So got to experience that. 130 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:18,220 And then we flew from there to, um, uh, 131 00:09:18,420 --> 00:09:22,590 Zimbabwe and in Zimbabwe, we, uh, 132 00:09:22,590 --> 00:09:25,110 got to meet with our team. We have a, a, a, a, 133 00:09:25,460 --> 00:09:30,230 a strong team there next up worship team, uh, led by, uh, 134 00:09:30,290 --> 00:09:35,070 our director there, Linda Shia. And, uh, we love her and her husband, 135 00:09:35,070 --> 00:09:38,030 John, and got spending time with them and, and, and, 136 00:09:38,030 --> 00:09:41,550 and just pour into our team there. But also we got to do, uh, 137 00:09:41,550 --> 00:09:45,030 some incredible conferences that were packed out. In fact, 138 00:09:45,030 --> 00:09:47,590 they were standing outside. Uh, it was so, 139 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:52,890 so overwhelmingly successful and that's thanks and great part 140 00:09:52,980 --> 00:09:57,090 to our team there that did a, did the groundwork before we arrived. 141 00:09:57,090 --> 00:10:00,370 And Donald katala our Africa director. And I, uh, 142 00:10:00,370 --> 00:10:04,570 went to Zimbabwe together and got to enjoy that time. And then we flew to Kenya. 143 00:10:04,830 --> 00:10:05,663 And in Kenya, 144 00:10:05,700 --> 00:10:09,370 we had another us team that joined us as well as from other countries, 145 00:10:09,650 --> 00:10:13,530 Ethiopia and other places. And, uh, we had, um, another awesome day, 146 00:10:14,660 --> 00:10:15,970 uh, um, awesome week. 147 00:10:15,970 --> 00:10:19,570 It began with an awesome day as we got to meet up with each other. And, and, 148 00:10:19,570 --> 00:10:21,690 and, and, and it's always good to see our team. 149 00:10:21,690 --> 00:10:26,410 And then it led to this phenomenal, phenomenal ministry together. Once again, 150 00:10:26,740 --> 00:10:30,730 pouring into worship leaders and pastors that came from many parts of Kenya and 151 00:10:30,730 --> 00:10:35,730 other countries, and also going out with, with the worship Bible school team, 152 00:10:35,780 --> 00:10:39,450 as you saw in the video, we showed you and, and going into villages, 153 00:10:40,210 --> 00:10:44,250 teaching children about worship in the gospel and, and many, 154 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,890 I think 99% of the children that they worked with there, 155 00:10:47,890 --> 00:10:52,170 our team that came from the United States worked with 156 00:10:52,990 --> 00:10:57,660 in Kenya, were Muslim children, Muslim children. And, uh, 157 00:10:57,660 --> 00:11:02,460 they were able to go into these Muslim Muslim villages and share Jesus 158 00:11:02,460 --> 00:11:06,900 Christ with them. And knowing that those PA those children, 159 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,620 the songs they learned the Bible versus they learned the truths. 160 00:11:10,620 --> 00:11:13,260 They learned about Jesus Christ. They would take back to their families. 161 00:11:13,970 --> 00:11:15,700 This is the ministry of next step worship. 162 00:11:15,700 --> 00:11:19,860 Then I'm so grateful to be a part of it. I never wanna take it for granted. 163 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:24,520 God meets our needs. He's he keeps providing for us financially. I, I mean, 164 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,160 it takes a lot of money to do what we're doing, but God always provides. 165 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,960 He's just so incredibly faithful. 166 00:11:30,140 --> 00:11:32,000 One of the things we got to do while we were there, 167 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:36,040 it was the very last thing we did while we were in on this long six week tour. 168 00:11:36,530 --> 00:11:40,040 Um, uh, it, it happened in Nairobi Kenya. Um, 169 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:44,680 while I was there in may back, back in may, I was in Naro in Kenya, 170 00:11:44,680 --> 00:11:48,960 in the country of Kenya. We were traveling, traveling from, uh, city to city, 171 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,390 doing conferences, as we often do. And, uh, 172 00:11:54,060 --> 00:11:58,580 the Lord coordinated it. He did it all. We had nothing to do with it, 173 00:11:58,580 --> 00:12:02,100 other than just being faithful and just trying to walk the trail. And, uh, 174 00:12:02,100 --> 00:12:04,460 some of the very places we were in, uh, 175 00:12:04,460 --> 00:12:07,940 with some of the leaders in these churches that were hosting us in conferences. 176 00:12:08,770 --> 00:12:10,260 I didn't know it. I no did, 177 00:12:10,260 --> 00:12:14,260 but they were on the board of directors for the evangelical Alliance of Kenya. 178 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:19,880 Again, I didn't know this, and they didn't mention it, but I'm sitting with, uh, 179 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,400 the president of the Baptist convention of Kenya. 180 00:12:23,620 --> 00:12:27,560 I'm doing dinner with, with, with Dr. Steven and ADA, 181 00:12:27,780 --> 00:12:31,920 and he gets a phone call. This happened truth. He gets a phone call. 182 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,760 This is back in may. And it, and, and I'm thinking, well, he is a busy man. 183 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,640 He's an important man. He's got a lot going on. Someone needs to talk to him. 184 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:39,640 I didn't think anything about it. 185 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,240 I just sat there silently while he was speaking on the phone. 186 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:47,120 But within a minute, he handed his cell phone to me. And he said, 187 00:12:47,190 --> 00:12:50,220 this call is for you. For me, 188 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,220 I'm thinking who would call me via you? 189 00:12:54,270 --> 00:12:58,380 It was the general secretary for the evangelical Alliance of Kenya. 190 00:12:59,050 --> 00:13:00,540 I didn't know that Dr. 191 00:13:00,540 --> 00:13:04,860 Steven was act is actually on their board of directors. 192 00:13:04,860 --> 00:13:08,460 And so Steven had told the general secretary, 193 00:13:08,460 --> 00:13:11,780 his name is Nelson about us, and about next level worship. So, 194 00:13:12,590 --> 00:13:17,500 so the general secretary wanted to meet up with me and, 195 00:13:17,500 --> 00:13:21,620 and, and have a conversation which we met up at, at, at our hotel. My hotel, 196 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:26,180 one thing led to another, and we, you know, really saw eye eye to eye. 197 00:13:26,180 --> 00:13:29,220 And he said, this is what we've been praying for in this country, our country, 198 00:13:29,220 --> 00:13:30,780 our churches need to learn about worship. 199 00:13:30,780 --> 00:13:34,580 They need to learn about prayer and what you're offering could help us. 200 00:13:35,290 --> 00:13:36,123 I was okay. 201 00:13:36,430 --> 00:13:40,940 So he invited us to do a conference when we came back in August, 202 00:13:40,940 --> 00:13:43,100 which we did. So that's why we stayed a, 203 00:13:43,100 --> 00:13:46,500 a couple of days longer than we would've normally stayed a few days longer. 204 00:13:46,500 --> 00:13:51,140 And we went over back to Nairobi and we did a conference and we did a conference 205 00:13:51,140 --> 00:13:56,090 with, um, it wasn't a large room. I mean the only 20 people there, 206 00:13:56,190 --> 00:14:00,690 but, but y'all, it was the movers and shakers, so to speak, it, it, 207 00:14:01,140 --> 00:14:05,540 it was a room full of top key leaders 208 00:14:05,740 --> 00:14:10,590 among the evangelical Alliance of Kenya. And, 209 00:14:10,590 --> 00:14:14,510 uh, we just shared our heart, shared some, um, burden, shared, uh, 210 00:14:14,510 --> 00:14:18,830 our message about prayer and about worship Donald Catal. And I, uh, 211 00:14:18,830 --> 00:14:22,750 both spoken at the end of that meeting just after a few hours time, 212 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,260 one gentleman stood up, turned out. I didn't know it, 213 00:14:26,260 --> 00:14:30,820 but later I found out that he he's on the board of directors for E AKs. 214 00:14:30,820 --> 00:14:33,060 It's called, uh, and, uh, 215 00:14:34,700 --> 00:14:38,050 he stood up and he said to everybody, he said, I, I believe that God is in this. 216 00:14:38,420 --> 00:14:42,890 We, if for one wanna partner with this ministry next up worship. 217 00:14:43,430 --> 00:14:45,010 And so they made it official. 218 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:49,490 They gave us an official invitation to come and partner with the 219 00:14:49,490 --> 00:14:53,240 evangelical Alliance of Kenya to reach out into their churches. And, and, 220 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,680 and y'all, they've got 40,000 churches that, 221 00:14:55,680 --> 00:15:00,080 that are part of this organization across the country of Kenya and every county 222 00:15:00,530 --> 00:15:01,880 of Kenya. They've got churches. 223 00:15:02,100 --> 00:15:07,000 And they want us to go in and teach these pastors and these leaders about true 224 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:11,350 worship, about a biblical prayer. And I'm, , 225 00:15:11,350 --> 00:15:14,550 I'm so humble because I I'm learning myself. , 226 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:16,430 there's so much I need to learn, you know, 227 00:15:16,430 --> 00:15:19,830 but we're learning together in God's word. He's who teaches us, 228 00:15:21,140 --> 00:15:24,710 pull us, walk his trail, just no telling what God will do. Amen. 229 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:26,470 So that's what I wanna share with you, 230 00:15:26,470 --> 00:15:30,910 and thank you for your prayers and thank you for your support. Many of you, uh, 231 00:15:30,910 --> 00:15:32,870 give financially you, you pray for us. 232 00:15:32,870 --> 00:15:35,550 You're a part of our prayer partners list. Uh, 233 00:15:35,550 --> 00:15:40,270 and so you receive a monthly prayer partners letter from us. Thank you for that. 234 00:15:40,270 --> 00:15:45,190 And if you don't, you please sign up, send us a message and, uh, just say, 235 00:15:45,190 --> 00:15:48,030 Hey, we'd love to I to tell, tell us, Hey, I wanna be a prayer partner. 236 00:15:48,260 --> 00:15:52,310 I wanna be a partner of next step worship. We'll get you signed up for that. Uh, 237 00:15:52,310 --> 00:15:57,270 you can email us at office next level, worship.com office, next level, 238 00:15:57,270 --> 00:15:59,790 worship.com. Let us know that you wanna be a prayer partner. 239 00:15:59,950 --> 00:16:01,750 Maybe you wanted to be a financial partner, 240 00:16:01,750 --> 00:16:04,270 whether you can give a few dollars or a hundred dollars. 241 00:16:04,550 --> 00:16:08,030 We're we thank God for anything. We're grateful for whatever you can give, 242 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,620 but this is the ministry of next step worship. I wanna take a few minutes and, 243 00:16:12,620 --> 00:16:15,940 and this updates you we're so grateful for what God's doing. 244 00:16:15,940 --> 00:16:19,740 I'll be going to Bangladesh later this year, been invited to be a, 245 00:16:20,170 --> 00:16:22,220 a keynote speaker at a large conference there, 246 00:16:22,220 --> 00:16:24,860 and just see what God's doing in Bangladesh. And, and, 247 00:16:24,860 --> 00:16:27,820 and we're about to do a student praise gathering, uh, 248 00:16:27,820 --> 00:16:32,100 with students from multiple countries and multiple states and university 249 00:16:32,100 --> 00:16:36,230 students. Um, it's exciting. And it's, uh, 250 00:16:36,230 --> 00:16:39,190 we're thank God for the team of people around us that help all this come 251 00:16:39,350 --> 00:16:43,390 together. Cuz I could not pull all this off alone. So thank you for, 252 00:16:43,730 --> 00:16:45,350 for joining us again. I, I, 253 00:16:45,350 --> 00:16:48,190 I appreciate your time and please let us know how we can pray for you. 254 00:16:48,190 --> 00:16:51,590 Let us know how our ministry can help you check out our resources, 255 00:16:51,590 --> 00:16:55,590 check out the things that we offer on our website at next level, worship.com. 256 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:57,910 So as promised, 257 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:02,360 we'll be back in a few moments and you'll hear from my dear friend, 258 00:17:03,550 --> 00:17:04,520 Josh Anders, 259 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:09,360 who is the worship pastor at the point church in Fort Wayne, 260 00:17:09,360 --> 00:17:11,040 Indiana. We'll be right back. 261 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:14,650 Live talk with Dwayne Moore, 262 00:17:15,770 --> 00:17:17,850 biblical worship perspective. 263 00:17:23,270 --> 00:17:27,290 Hey everybody, welcome back to live talk. And uh, 264 00:17:27,290 --> 00:17:31,810 today is pretty special day for me. One of my dear friends, 265 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,410 Josh Anders is here. Hi Josh. 266 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,330 What's up Dwayne? . 267 00:17:37,750 --> 00:17:38,570 How are you doing. 268 00:17:38,570 --> 00:17:41,770 Man? In, in live talk nation? . 269 00:17:42,940 --> 00:17:43,290 No, 270 00:17:43,290 --> 00:17:46,730 we called it live talk because it originally supposed to really truly been live. 271 00:17:47,150 --> 00:17:50,680 But every time we tried it live, it something went wrong. You know, 272 00:17:50,810 --> 00:17:54,680 we also broadcast in other nations and even in Pakistan and no one ever, 273 00:17:54,970 --> 00:17:58,200 we never could coordinate all that too. Well. So now it's prerecorded live. 274 00:17:58,200 --> 00:17:59,920 Does that really count? I don't know. 275 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,040 I mean, yeah, it. 276 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:02,960 Sort is, right. 277 00:18:03,410 --> 00:18:06,040 It, it, it is live as we are doing it. So it's. 278 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:09,480 Live right now and this is not scripted now. Right? Not scripted. 279 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:10,800 I know listening to us, 280 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:14,440 you may feel like it's very formal and we're reading every thing, but no, 281 00:18:14,550 --> 00:18:15,840 it's totally off the cuff. 282 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,680 oh, I've learned a lot about this cuz uh, we recently started a, 283 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:23,640 we recently started a podcast here and uh, no. Okay. Yeah. I'm not, 284 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,200 I'm not in the podcast, but my wife, 285 00:18:26,820 --> 00:18:31,320 our youth pastor and our, one of our teaching pastors are a part of it and it's, 286 00:18:31,430 --> 00:18:33,840 it's been really fun. I've learned a lot about podcasting, 287 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:34,720 so I appreciate what you. 288 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,640 Do. Well, you do a good job. I, I, I saw part of one. I've been, 289 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,080 I've been gone most of that time. You've been doing that, but I did. 290 00:18:40,150 --> 00:18:43,000 I talked a little bit and it looked like you guys have taken it really 291 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:47,240 seriously. You, you, you did some homework before you started looks good. 292 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:52,200 we're we're just trying to get up there. Like you D that's all. 293 00:18:52,450 --> 00:18:53,160 Oh, well. 294 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:53,993 That. 295 00:18:54,110 --> 00:18:56,320 That would not be difficult too. 296 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,920 I'm think I thank God for Barry behind the scenes. Uh, putting it all together. 297 00:18:59,920 --> 00:19:02,200 Cuz if I didn't have somebody like that, I wouldn't be able to do this, 298 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,720 but you absolutely. You need somebody working behind the scenes to. 299 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:06,760 Absolutely pull. 300 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:10,160 Everything together. And he, he does anything from reach out, you know, 301 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,520 he connected with you and scheduled it. And, and, and, 302 00:19:13,620 --> 00:19:15,000 and I don't think in this case, 303 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:16,960 because I was gone the whole time I've been in Africa. 304 00:19:16,990 --> 00:19:19,280 That's another whole story. But, uh, anyway, uh, 305 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,000 I don't think we ever came up with a topic, 306 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,480 but typically with people we don't know as well as you we'll, you know, 307 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:28,920 Barry will figure out the topic in advance. Yeah. He said, what about Josh? Ah, 308 00:19:29,070 --> 00:19:31,400 Josh and I know each other, we can just shoot. 309 00:19:31,570 --> 00:19:33,320 We can just shoot from the hip and it'll. 310 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:34,840 Be breeze. It'll. 311 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,920 Be I sort to say, it'll be great. That remains to be seen, 312 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,760 but I believe at least. Oh, it'll be very good. 313 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:43,640 So we're praying for great. Good. 314 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:44,300 I hear that. 315 00:19:44,300 --> 00:19:47,480 But uh, yeah, man. Well, thanks for giving us some time. Uh, it, yeah. 316 00:19:47,500 --> 00:19:47,920 You. 317 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,840 Got a lot going on. Uh, you were telling me before recording started, 318 00:19:50,990 --> 00:19:55,480 this is probably one of the busiest weeks of a busy life for you, 319 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:56,313 but yet. 320 00:19:56,390 --> 00:20:01,240 It's yeah, it's pretty busy. A lot. A lot is converging at the same time. 321 00:20:01,430 --> 00:20:05,440 Yeah. This week. And uh, well, I mean, re recently this year, 322 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:10,040 things have been busier than normal for me and our ministry and uh, but yeah, 323 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:14,760 personally and professionally, this is, it's a, it's a tough week. I, I, 324 00:20:14,970 --> 00:20:15,803 um, 325 00:20:16,330 --> 00:20:20,520 started teaching on a rotation at our church this year 326 00:20:21,140 --> 00:20:25,720 and there were events that led into that, which we, we can get into if you want. 327 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,600 But I started teaching on a rotation, um, 328 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,200 teaching wasn't something I'd done a lot. In fact, 329 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,720 probably the most formal teaching I started doing was with next level worship. 330 00:20:38,230 --> 00:20:41,960 Yeah. So you did, you've done some teaching with us is, was wonderful, but. 331 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:43,760 Yeah, , I've, 332 00:20:44,030 --> 00:20:48,920 I've always felt the most inadequate about anything I do when it comes to just 333 00:20:49,310 --> 00:20:53,440 speaking with a purpose. Cause yeah, I can speak off the cuff. Yeah. 334 00:20:53,630 --> 00:20:57,120 I can fill a lot of time, but speaking with a purpose and, 335 00:20:57,120 --> 00:21:00,800 and making sure that there's relevant application is something that's okay. 336 00:21:01,070 --> 00:21:06,000 That's a newer, like to be in a more formal format for me. Yeah. 337 00:21:06,170 --> 00:21:08,440 Um, it's very different than me leading worship and, 338 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,680 and God laying something in my heart in the moment and just sharing it between a 339 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:12,680 worship song. Like it's, it. 340 00:21:12,690 --> 00:21:14,680 Is very different. Yes. I know that. 341 00:21:15,020 --> 00:21:18,320 And I, you know, I've learned a lot from you and others and, and, 342 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:23,280 and my former pastor and just yep. Just learned a lot. And so, 343 00:21:23,490 --> 00:21:26,560 um, this is one of those weeks where, uh, 344 00:21:26,740 --> 00:21:31,280 I'm preparing a message and uh, we're in the book of mark right now. 345 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:36,000 And so I get the privilege of mark chapter 15, which is the crucifixion. 346 00:21:36,820 --> 00:21:40,920 And, um, and so I almost feel like they, they gave me the hard, 347 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,880 hard ones on purpose before this, I spoke on the, the fig tree. 348 00:21:45,380 --> 00:21:49,320 And then before the, yeah. And before that was the, uh, 349 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,280 when Jesus sent the demons in the pig. 350 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,640 So it's almost like if we have something that's really difficult to explain and 351 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,880 talk about, we're gonna give it to Josh. And so, uh, no, 352 00:21:57,910 --> 00:22:01,480 it's just the way it fell. But, uh, so yeah, this week I'm preparing for that. 353 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:05,080 So we don't, I don't actually deliver the message this Sunday. 354 00:22:05,670 --> 00:22:09,440 What we do here at the point is we record our broadcast service. 355 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,160 It's kinda like we're doing now. Yeah. Yeah. Just like this, 356 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,840 this podcast right here, it's simulated live, right? Like it's live, 357 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,920 it's unedited and then you put it out. Well, for us, we record our worship. 358 00:22:19,970 --> 00:22:24,880 We record our messages. Mm-hmm in advance. Um, and then, 359 00:22:24,890 --> 00:22:29,360 so whatever we record this week will be, and this is the week, uh, 360 00:22:29,360 --> 00:22:32,400 coming into the September 11th, um, 361 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,000 will actually be the online service for the 18th. 362 00:22:35,770 --> 00:22:40,040 So I record it this week and then I deliver it live a week from Sunday. 363 00:22:41,070 --> 00:22:41,710 Okay. 364 00:22:41,710 --> 00:22:43,320 Does that make sense at all? So. 365 00:22:43,690 --> 00:22:46,040 No, really. I'm trying to understand it cuz I, you know, uh, 366 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:50,280 you've explained this to me before, but so the first people to, to get, 367 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,560 to hear it and see it are who online or church. 368 00:22:53,790 --> 00:22:55,720 It's it's simultaneous. So. 369 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,160 It happens same time. Okay. 370 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:01,920 Right. I'll record it tomorrow. And then with the worship and all that, 371 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,200 they do all the post editing and mixing and all that stuff. Yeah. Uh, 372 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:10,000 put it all together and then it will broadcast a week from this Sunday, 373 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,080 which is actually when I deliver it live. 374 00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:15,640 Okay. If that makes sense. Well, that makes a lot of sense, actually. 375 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:16,840 That makes lot. Yeah. Like. 376 00:23:16,930 --> 00:23:20,320 So it actually, it actually gets put out at the same time. It's just, 377 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,240 I've done the work way in advance. Oh, okay. 378 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,360 Well that, that's a discipline. Isn't it. To do it in advance. 379 00:23:26,360 --> 00:23:31,160 What a concept I'm such a procrastinator. You know, that, that sounds scary, 380 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:32,640 but it's good if you get it in. 381 00:23:32,650 --> 00:23:37,200 No, I am too Dwayne. And lemme tell you it's been, it's been great. 382 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:38,400 The process has been great. Cause. 383 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:39,360 It's a good discipline. 384 00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:44,360 Yeah. I can prepare the message. I can record it. And then I, 385 00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:48,080 I have have like a week and a half for it to kind of simmer in my heart. 386 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:52,640 And like usually by the time it gets to me in person it's morphed and evolved 387 00:23:52,910 --> 00:23:57,520 even more and has taken on like a, a new life. 388 00:23:57,810 --> 00:23:59,640 So it's the same, but different. 389 00:23:59,960 --> 00:24:04,480 . I do understand that. And um, I say I am a procrastinator. I, 390 00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:07,280 I, I actually reject that in Jesus name. 391 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,960 I used to be but you don't play me. I'm not gonna, 392 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,080 I'm not gonna own that identity anymore. Uh, 393 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:17,120 I have actually become much more proactive in thinking ahead, 394 00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:20,640 thank God by his grace. But, but I know what you're saying. Um, 395 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,320 when you let it simmer, um, 396 00:24:22,510 --> 00:24:27,280 things can gel in a way that's and boy, by the time it comes out of you, it's, 397 00:24:27,530 --> 00:24:31,240 it feels very fresh, but also well prepared, you know? So yeah. 398 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:35,800 Kinda an so yeah. So, so I've got, I've got that. 399 00:24:36,010 --> 00:24:39,800 My, um, it just so happens that my music director, um, 400 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,840 I've given him the week off and it just happens to be this week, 401 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,520 which means I'm stepping in for him at the same time. 402 00:24:45,730 --> 00:24:46,080 On. 403 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,640 You. Yeah. And then, and then, so on some personal notes, I've just my, 404 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:54,160 my mom who's, her health has been failing she's she's in the hospital right now. 405 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,760 So it's just a lot of things. And one of our, 406 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,600 my fellow pastors was in my office earlier and he just said, you know, 407 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:04,600 it never fails that when the hardest weeks come it's like everything's coming at 408 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,400 you at once. So yeah. So. 409 00:25:08,030 --> 00:25:12,360 Well, and that, even before we started the recording, you know, I, I said, 410 00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:14,960 do you do, do we need to wait till a different time? Cause you know, 411 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,600 you told me your moms in the hospital, you said, Deanna, 412 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:22,040 your wife is they're with her. Uh everything's okay for the moment. But uh, 413 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,800 but you know, things could change, but, but you know, 414 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:29,400 thank you again for giving us the time. But what I appreciate about you is you, 415 00:25:29,500 --> 00:25:31,520 you, you keep your commitments, you, 416 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:36,120 you you've always been that way and you just follow through really well. And um, 417 00:25:36,510 --> 00:25:39,480 I think what you've done there at the church, what God has done through you and, 418 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:44,120 and through Deanna and your family, uh, is amazing. And so, you know, 419 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,520 wanna say that to you and, and, and tell you that today, 420 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,960 I was hoping part of what we could talk about is, 421 00:25:50,050 --> 00:25:53,880 is your journey there at the point mm-hmm , uh, and, um, you know, 422 00:25:54,030 --> 00:25:57,880 I think people would love to hear that. It's an interesting story to me. Uh, 423 00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:58,600 I remember when you, 424 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,680 when we first got to know each other and you were telling me on the phone, then, 425 00:26:01,930 --> 00:26:05,640 uh, I, I remember I was standing in a coffee shop in Jeffersonville, 426 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,880 Indiana when I was talking to you for the first real conversation. 427 00:26:08,910 --> 00:26:11,920 Mm-hmm and I was amazed at, at, 428 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,560 at just how God brought you to that church. You explained that to me some, 429 00:26:15,820 --> 00:26:20,040 and now hearing how it's come to be now that you're even speaking, 430 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,560 you're getting, getting out opportunities. It's all clearly to me, man, 431 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,600 standing from the outside, looking in, I know you're busy, you're just kind of, 432 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,400 kind of stay afloat right now. But I think it's, 433 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,680 I just see it's God's hand on you is what, I just wanna say that. 434 00:26:33,210 --> 00:26:36,000 So would you mind unpacking some of that for us? Uh, 435 00:26:36,070 --> 00:26:39,800 I just kind of put you on the spot here, but yeah, I'd love to hear your story. 436 00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:42,880 Well, it's interesting about you asking that, is that, 437 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:47,800 that like my journey with next live of worship began before the point, 438 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:52,120 like I was using your resources at my last church, 439 00:26:52,120 --> 00:26:56,720 our choir, you know, I, I would buy, uh, the book, pure praise, pure praise, 440 00:26:56,820 --> 00:27:01,640 and the first edition and I would, I was back in the first edition it, 441 00:27:01,980 --> 00:27:06,600 but we would use it to just equip our team and train them. And so I, I, 442 00:27:07,270 --> 00:27:08,720 I knew you from a, 443 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,760 from an author standpoint and didn't really have that relationship, but yeah. 444 00:27:13,130 --> 00:27:16,560 So at that last church, which was in Tennessee, okay. 445 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,520 Knoxville, wasn't it around Knoxville. 446 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,160 Knoxville, Tennessee. And, uh, 447 00:27:21,610 --> 00:27:26,080 it was just came a time for a change. You know, 448 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:30,640 there was a change that was needed and, um, we were praying, you know, 449 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:35,520 for the next steps. And, um, you know, as often as this happens, 450 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,920 you know, it wasn't always in my timing, but it was in God's timing. And, 451 00:27:40,210 --> 00:27:41,043 um, 452 00:27:41,300 --> 00:27:45,160 one of my best friends who I went to college with actually had the privilege of, 453 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:50,120 we got, we actually, uh, was able to lead him to the Lord, uh, 454 00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:50,953 in college. 455 00:27:51,660 --> 00:27:56,160 His name was Joe and we've just stayed best friends ever since. 456 00:27:56,900 --> 00:27:59,120 And, um, and so we, 457 00:27:59,810 --> 00:28:04,520 he moved to Fort Wayne after he graduated. And then I stayed, 458 00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:06,560 I guess at the time in Tennessee. 459 00:28:07,580 --> 00:28:10,800 And there was a time where he said, Hey, listen, 460 00:28:11,270 --> 00:28:16,080 I I'd come to visit him. I'd been to his church, everything like that. And, 461 00:28:16,210 --> 00:28:19,080 uh, didn't think anything of it. And then there came a time where he said, Hey, 462 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,560 he said our worship pastors moving, he's resigning, 463 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,440 you should put in your resume. And I was just like, in my mind, I'm thinking, 464 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,920 there's no way that they'll think I'm a fit for this church. I, 465 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,760 I just didn't believe that in myself. And, and he said, well, you know, 466 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:34,720 they need an interim. 467 00:28:35,330 --> 00:28:39,800 So even if you just came for like a certain amount of time, 468 00:28:39,980 --> 00:28:44,160 and of course I, at the time I had, uh, a wife and three kids, and, 469 00:28:45,220 --> 00:28:49,920 but there was something in this moment in this conversation that God just was 470 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:54,680 speaking in my heart saying, pursue this as wild and as crazy. And as it, 471 00:28:54,930 --> 00:28:59,640 as much as it didn't make sense to like move my entire family to Indiana for a 472 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,000 short term commitment, like I knew without a shot out a doubt, 473 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,960 I was supposed to do it. Like there was no. Yeah. It was just like, 474 00:29:07,770 --> 00:29:08,260 it was, 475 00:29:08,260 --> 00:29:12,480 I'm sure it was a combination of what was going on in our lives at the moment 476 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,720 verse. And also knowing that God was, 477 00:29:14,740 --> 00:29:18,480 was tearing away the nest and that we were supposed to move on and praying for 478 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:23,160 those opportunities. And, um, so I interviewed, uh, 479 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,920 I was able to secure the, the interim position I came. 480 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,600 They were very honest and very upfront with me at first and said, you know, 481 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,480 this doesn't mean that you're going to be the permanent person. 482 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,080 We're doing a nationwide search. We got a search firm. So, you know, please, 483 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,760 please, we just wanna be very clear that we're not promising that, you know, 484 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,320 you're welcome to throw your hat in her hand. I was like, I was like, you know, 485 00:29:44,940 --> 00:29:48,720 I'd gotten to know the pastor, uh, his name was Ray over the phone. 486 00:29:49,460 --> 00:29:53,720 And I knew from our conversations that he was the type of leader 487 00:29:54,190 --> 00:29:58,200 that I'd been longing to be on that. Yeah. Yeah. Um, 488 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,200 we aligned in a lot of different ways, 489 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,680 the church aligned with what I was looking for in a church. And, um, 490 00:30:05,300 --> 00:30:09,040 and so I just trust the Lord and, and my thought was, 491 00:30:09,150 --> 00:30:12,360 I didn't think I didn't have the confidence that I'd be the person either. 492 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:16,600 And in my mind, Dwayne, I was praying, you know, 493 00:30:17,130 --> 00:30:21,600 if, if we do go for six months and then we have to find another place, 494 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,160 it'll be worth it because I believe I'll learn so much. 495 00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:26,343 That. 496 00:30:26,430 --> 00:30:28,560 Leadership that I know it's crazy. 497 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,120 That's amazing to me, . 498 00:30:30,530 --> 00:30:32,200 It doesn't make sense. Well. 499 00:30:32,340 --> 00:30:34,120 And, and which I, I want to say, 500 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:38,320 this is why I wanna interject about now in the conversation on the phone while I 501 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,760 was standing in Jefferson, Indiana, I was like, who is this guy? 502 00:30:41,770 --> 00:30:45,160 Because what I heard you say, and I hear you say again, yeah. 503 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,920 I didn't know if you would get to stay. You just went, you uprooted, 504 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,200 not from across the city across, 505 00:30:51,620 --> 00:30:54,180 but across several states. 506 00:30:54,180 --> 00:30:55,020 States. Yeah. 507 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,780 And you uprooted your family, not even knowing if you'd be, be there long. 508 00:30:58,780 --> 00:31:00,140 I think that's amazing, bro. 509 00:31:00,690 --> 00:31:01,780 That that's yeah, yeah. 510 00:31:01,930 --> 00:31:02,763 That's got. 511 00:31:03,070 --> 00:31:06,500 It. It is. It had to be. And the fact that my wife was on board, 512 00:31:06,500 --> 00:31:08,820 she had a piece about it. That was a huge, 513 00:31:09,210 --> 00:31:14,140 huge green flag for me. Right. And so we came, 514 00:31:14,140 --> 00:31:18,300 we moved our three children the day after Christmas, 2013. Um, 515 00:31:18,300 --> 00:31:22,940 I started my role here. I learned and grew a whole lot. 516 00:31:24,030 --> 00:31:27,180 Um, there was just so many things that, 517 00:31:27,330 --> 00:31:29,620 that were expected and, 518 00:31:29,620 --> 00:31:34,180 and just a level of professionalism and also ministry and 519 00:31:34,610 --> 00:31:38,340 well, the, the search process was still ongoing while I was here. 520 00:31:38,780 --> 00:31:41,820 so that could be a little awkward. Right. You know, 521 00:31:41,940 --> 00:31:46,100 you're serving and then my wife is starting to really love it here. She's like, 522 00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:49,540 oh no, you know, I don't wanna move. And I'm thinking, okay, 523 00:31:49,540 --> 00:31:52,140 let's keep our expectations real, you know. 524 00:31:52,140 --> 00:31:55,180 Have choice might have to move. Right. That's word that, 525 00:31:55,180 --> 00:31:57,780 imagine everyone listening to this conversation right now, 526 00:31:57,780 --> 00:32:00,660 imagine being in this position. Wow. 527 00:32:00,660 --> 00:32:02,900 Yeah. It's wild. And, 528 00:32:02,900 --> 00:32:06,540 and the great thing is that leadership was so transparent with me. 529 00:32:06,540 --> 00:32:09,380 They would tell me now, listen, we, here's where we are in the process. 530 00:32:09,380 --> 00:32:13,020 We've narrowed it down to these people. We're gonna start bringing them in. 531 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,620 You know, we're willing to like send you and Deanna, you know, 532 00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:19,820 Chicago is just a few hours. We'll send you for a weekend away. 533 00:32:19,820 --> 00:32:24,020 So it's not awkward. You're not here while they're campaigning, you know? 534 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:25,340 And so it was, 535 00:32:25,340 --> 00:32:30,090 they were just very transparent and time went on and they never brought anyone 536 00:32:30,090 --> 00:32:34,290 in. They talked about it, but no one ever came in and it was just like, 537 00:32:34,780 --> 00:32:38,050 it was weird. And it gone down to the last couple people. 538 00:32:38,050 --> 00:32:42,440 And these people are like a couple of them. I know. And they're well, 539 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,560 well known. I mean, uh, 540 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,720 worship pastors are churches of thousands and thousands of thousands. 541 00:32:48,620 --> 00:32:51,720 And I was just like, you know, I'm really happy for, for, 542 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:52,760 who's gonna come in here. 543 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,480 And I remember one day I was sitting across from my pastor and he said, Josh, 544 00:32:55,480 --> 00:33:00,080 he said, we feel like we've come to a decision. 545 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,800 And I just wanted to have a conversation with you and let you know. 546 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,960 And of course I'm like, I'm, I'm preparing myself, you know, I'm like, okay, 547 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,920 okay. You know, be humble. Like, like what, God's got a plan. 548 00:33:11,420 --> 00:33:13,160 And he said, he said, you know, 549 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,040 when we went out and we had the search firm looking for someone, 550 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,160 they brought us everything we were looking for. 551 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,780 But what we didn't realize was the target moved. 552 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:23,980 And you were the reason for that, 553 00:33:24,190 --> 00:33:28,900 because we didn't realize that we weren't looking for a, a worship leader, 554 00:33:29,710 --> 00:33:31,100 uh, someone out front singing, 555 00:33:31,100 --> 00:33:35,180 but we were what we needed a pastor and you brought that and we would love, 556 00:33:35,180 --> 00:33:38,340 oh my goodness. Yeah. And he would like, he would like, we, we, we, 557 00:33:38,430 --> 00:33:41,460 we would love for you to stay. Wow. And I was just, 558 00:33:41,460 --> 00:33:44,180 I remember just immediately just started crying. I was like, there's, 559 00:33:44,180 --> 00:33:48,820 this is not happening. This is not. Yeah. And to say that, you know, just, 560 00:33:48,820 --> 00:33:50,500 and not about me, but it was just, 561 00:33:50,500 --> 00:33:54,580 I just was pouring out what God was pouring into me, pouring what he learned. 562 00:33:54,890 --> 00:33:55,380 Well, 563 00:33:55,380 --> 00:33:58,860 I had learned from him and through others and through pure praise about worship 564 00:33:58,920 --> 00:33:59,640 and, 565 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:04,460 and how to lead people and equip people and care for your team and all these 566 00:34:04,460 --> 00:34:07,500 things in your church. And, and so, you know, 567 00:34:07,990 --> 00:34:12,620 we put down roots and it's been nine years almost, and we're still here. 568 00:34:12,910 --> 00:34:14,500 So yeah. 569 00:34:14,890 --> 00:34:15,723 A story. 570 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,460 And still growing by the way. Um. 571 00:34:18,460 --> 00:34:20,940 Well you are, I mean, learning you'll being stretched. 572 00:34:21,390 --> 00:34:22,340 Oh, my word is. 573 00:34:22,340 --> 00:34:25,820 Right. He was a wonderful pastor. And, you know, he, he felt led to, to, to, 574 00:34:25,950 --> 00:34:27,900 to not retire. Exactly. I know. 575 00:34:27,900 --> 00:34:29,500 He is. Yeah, no, he retired. Yeah. He. 576 00:34:29,500 --> 00:34:31,420 Retired. I don't, if it's official or not, I didn't know, 577 00:34:31,420 --> 00:34:34,860 but I wouldn't put words in anyone's mouth, but anyway, he's not, 578 00:34:34,860 --> 00:34:38,820 there is the point, a very healthy situation. I mean, it's a great church. 579 00:34:38,820 --> 00:34:42,860 It's really, yeah. Multi growing, uh, congregation. 580 00:34:43,170 --> 00:34:46,500 Yeah. Very diverse. We, you know, it wasn't always that way, 581 00:34:46,500 --> 00:34:49,860 but we started praying intentionally for diversity. We were like, you know, 582 00:34:50,290 --> 00:34:54,580 does our church reflect our community? Yeah. And if it doesn't, 583 00:34:54,580 --> 00:34:57,740 then we're missing something. We, if we're gonna reach our community, 584 00:34:57,740 --> 00:34:59,740 we must reflect our community. And so, 585 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:05,180 and so we started praying for diversity that we would have our eyes open in that 586 00:35:05,180 --> 00:35:07,860 we would be a welcoming place for all people. And, you know, 587 00:35:07,870 --> 00:35:09,540 no matter what they look like, right. 588 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,900 And man did God bless those prayers. 589 00:35:12,900 --> 00:35:17,660 And we've just become a very diverse church, uh, age wise, 590 00:35:17,890 --> 00:35:21,740 race wise, you know, socioeconomically, you know, we, 591 00:35:22,250 --> 00:35:23,660 it's just, it's incredible. 592 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,580 And just to see how God's brought it all together is amazing. And yeah. 593 00:35:27,580 --> 00:35:31,500 You know, our pastor retired and it was, it was a very, uh, 594 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,940 you know, I was conflicted at the time because he is such, has been such a, 595 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,800 a great leader and pastor to me, but I had to realize that, you know, 596 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,920 at some point we all move on to the next thing. Right. , 597 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,960 we're all interims in a sense, 598 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,640 someone came before us and someone will come after us. So it's like, yeah. 599 00:35:50,100 --> 00:35:53,480 And so I just had to realize that that time was now. And, uh, 600 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,200 so it took me a while to come to terms, but he did. And, 601 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,800 and that's what led me to being asked to be on the teaching team because we're 602 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,760 in an interim process right now. And, uh, 603 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:09,280 so four of us are rotating speaking every week while we're searching for a new 604 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:10,113 lead pastor. 605 00:36:10,830 --> 00:36:11,320 Okay. 606 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,640 Now that's what I wanted to dig into a little bit more now that you led us up to 607 00:36:15,020 --> 00:36:16,160 the present day. 608 00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:17,200 Yeah. Four. 609 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,440 Of you are rotating. Is that now in my mind, 610 00:36:20,490 --> 00:36:23,720 my I'm thinking of that once a month or is it, or is it, 611 00:36:24,370 --> 00:36:26,880 is it nice and tidy like that or. 612 00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:31,960 Yeah, so there's four of us. And so it averages like once a month, you know, 613 00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:36,600 some may, depending on our schedules and people's availability, you know, 614 00:36:36,790 --> 00:36:41,600 some may do more than once a month. Um, it's not necessarily like a, okay, 615 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:41,800 it's. 616 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,080 Not set stone, but that's generally. 617 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,360 Yeah. It's not like a clockwise rotation where here's Caleb, here's Ty, 618 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:50,520 here's Josh. Okay. It's like, we looked at a teaching calendar and we said, 619 00:36:50,590 --> 00:36:53,600 when, when are we able to fill, fill these? 620 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:57,160 And we just went through the rest of the year and just filled those spots. And. 621 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,560 Can I ask a very practical question for a, a leader in, 622 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:05,160 in if they were planning like this, uh, some churches, um, 623 00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:10,240 I've noticed avoid announcing who will be that next preacher mm-hmm 624 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,240 they I'm sure they have reasons for that. What do you guys do? 625 00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:16,400 Do you, do you let your folks know? Or do they just kind of come in and see who, 626 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,440 who who's there preaching in that. 627 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:19,720 Day? Yeah, our, 628 00:37:20,850 --> 00:37:25,160 we don't really project who's coming up next. Okay. 629 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,480 Like who's teaching next. If that's what you mean. I. 630 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,320 I, I do mean that, is it predictable? That's what I'm meant. So. 631 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:35,200 There, there, there is a hack if you're savvy, uh . We, we, 632 00:37:35,290 --> 00:37:37,040 uh, we post, uh, 633 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:41,480 an announcement for our broadcast service towards the end of the week. 634 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,640 And if you pay attention to that, you'll see who's speaking that week. But, 635 00:37:45,340 --> 00:37:50,240 but you know, apart from that, we're not like, yeah. In the me, in the service, 636 00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:53,760 we're not like, and next week is Josh, you know, it's not like that. Okay. 637 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,960 Well, you can see why I might be asking. I mean, 638 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,800 I I've read and I've heard I've never been in this situation, 639 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:03,080 but I've heard that some do that because they don't want people to come only for 640 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,400 certain speakers. That's true. I don't even know if that would really happen. 641 00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:07,640 Yeah. It. 642 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,320 Happens. I've heard that. I've heard that that's a, a reason people, 643 00:38:10,630 --> 00:38:12,200 some churches don't announce it. 644 00:38:12,450 --> 00:38:15,720 Oh, no. I guarantee that happens. I, I mean, it was natural when, 645 00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:18,000 when Ray was here and he would speak, you know, 646 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:23,640 42 Sundays a year, whenever he wasn't here, 647 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,240 you would see a dip, you know, I mean saw, but yes. 648 00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:29,440 Definitely. That's obvi you know, it's definitely that way with the main pastor, 649 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,400 but now that you've got four and I just wondered, do you see that same? Yeah. 650 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:37,440 No, it's, uh, not really. It's been pretty steady. Okay. In fact, 651 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,800 interestingly enough, we've been growing through this process. 652 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:42,170 Okay. Church. 653 00:38:42,170 --> 00:38:43,250 Our church is growing. 654 00:38:43,250 --> 00:38:45,890 It's wild. Wow. That, that is, um, well, again, 655 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:50,130 I think that speaks to the health of the church already. And the, 656 00:38:50,130 --> 00:38:52,530 and the vision was bigger than a person. 657 00:38:52,590 --> 00:38:56,010 And I don't know how you guys pull that off. I mean, 658 00:38:56,060 --> 00:38:59,210 humanly speaking that seems very difficult to pull. 659 00:38:59,210 --> 00:39:03,490 Off. It is very difficult because I think the larger church 660 00:39:04,740 --> 00:39:09,130 becomes the more the focus is put on who the pastor is. Mm-hmm . 661 00:39:09,350 --> 00:39:14,290 And, um, I think one thing this process has taught me was Ray 662 00:39:16,010 --> 00:39:20,750 was always the person who didn't want to be out front, you know, um, 663 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,310 he would do what he needed to do, but as far as just like, 664 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,350 he never wanted to be the face of the church. 665 00:39:25,350 --> 00:39:29,870 And so he equipped our team to be very strong. In fact, yeah. 666 00:39:29,870 --> 00:39:31,710 That's one of the reasons why he said he was like, 667 00:39:31,710 --> 00:39:33,950 I felt good about the timing because I looked, 668 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:39,070 he went to Africa for a couple weeks to Kenya earlier this year and when he came 669 00:39:39,070 --> 00:39:42,470 back and he was just like, man, this, everything is just like, 670 00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:45,350 if I hadn't left and it was a good sign for him. Yes. That's. 671 00:39:45,350 --> 00:39:46,230 A good sign. Yeah. 672 00:39:46,230 --> 00:39:48,510 It was a good sign for him that, that, you know, 673 00:39:48,850 --> 00:39:52,750 the team is strong enough to move on. And, and I don't know, Dwayne, I it's, 674 00:39:52,750 --> 00:39:57,510 it's been caught, I don't want to go down a rabbit trail, but like, 675 00:39:57,510 --> 00:40:02,510 you know, we're hearing a lot from like these celebrity pastors of just things 676 00:40:02,510 --> 00:40:07,130 happening and, you know, unfortunately we're all human, but just, 677 00:40:07,140 --> 00:40:11,210 it just seems like I'm hearing something new every day of someone well known 678 00:40:11,210 --> 00:40:14,690 someone I respected and it almost makes me think, 679 00:40:14,740 --> 00:40:18,010 do we elevate our pastors too much? 680 00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:20,090 You. 681 00:40:20,090 --> 00:40:23,370 Know? Well, I, I, I mean, possibly so I mean, certainly I, 682 00:40:23,370 --> 00:40:25,890 that's always a possibility. I think we also, uh, 683 00:40:25,890 --> 00:40:27,690 allow them to be isolated too much. 684 00:40:28,270 --> 00:40:29,290 Yes. Um. 685 00:40:29,540 --> 00:40:32,250 So elevate and isolate, I think we're not careful. And, and, 686 00:40:32,250 --> 00:40:35,970 and what I mean by that is they, they, uh, 687 00:40:35,970 --> 00:40:38,450 for whatever reason began to lack accountability. 688 00:40:38,450 --> 00:40:42,490 And I think anytime we do any of us, that can be very dangerous. 689 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,210 Yeah. Yep. Very dangerous. 690 00:40:45,210 --> 00:40:50,050 But it's definitely put into perspective the strength of having multiple people, 691 00:40:50,050 --> 00:40:54,530 because, you know, even when some people found out about the news, they were, 692 00:40:54,530 --> 00:40:58,130 you know, of him leaving. They were just so upset because they, they had, 693 00:40:58,130 --> 00:41:02,650 in this mind, their picture was the point equal our pastor and it, 694 00:41:02,650 --> 00:41:07,650 the point doesn't equal our P it equals all of us. And, um, 695 00:41:08,270 --> 00:41:11,690 and so we're seeing that kind of, you know, 696 00:41:11,710 --> 00:41:16,490 inadvertently come to fruition during this transition time where it is 697 00:41:16,490 --> 00:41:20,530 about God and, and, and he, it is all of us together. 698 00:41:21,590 --> 00:41:25,890 And so there's a, there's a huge team mentality right now. big time, 699 00:41:25,890 --> 00:41:26,130 which. 700 00:41:26,130 --> 00:41:31,130 Is awesome. And so in, you know, going forward, you said until that person, 701 00:41:31,130 --> 00:41:34,480 yeah. Uh, God reveals that person. You find that person, um, 702 00:41:35,140 --> 00:41:38,400 you think that's you, no one can predict, but I mean, could that be months? 703 00:41:39,550 --> 00:41:41,520 Yeah. That's what we've been told. We actually. 704 00:41:41,820 --> 00:41:45,880 You know, since our, our rush about it, no, no, you don't need to be in a hurry. 705 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:46,360 It sounds like. 706 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:50,080 We're not, we're definitely not rushing into it. We, we, you know, 707 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,240 our pastor was a founding pastor, you know, 708 00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:56,560 our church actually this Sunday on the 11th turned 17 years old. So like, 709 00:41:57,220 --> 00:42:01,920 you know, it's an even bigger, uh, factor is that he was founding pastor, 710 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:06,000 not so, you know, we're certainly not rushing into finding a new pastor, 711 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,440 but we are searching and we are doing our due diligence. In fact, 712 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,600 we've partnered with a search firm. Who's helping us, you know, 713 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:18,280 on a national scale to, to, to look outward, you know, as, 714 00:42:18,410 --> 00:42:22,280 as, as well as inward looking outward and seeing, you know, 715 00:42:22,860 --> 00:42:25,800 who fits the DNA of the point, the best, you know, 716 00:42:26,380 --> 00:42:29,920 who fits the model of a leader that we're, we're looking for to take us, 717 00:42:30,420 --> 00:42:33,960 you know, in the next 10 years or more. So it's like, um, 718 00:42:34,690 --> 00:42:37,960 so that's what we're, we're in the middle of the process. And we, 719 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,880 we keep the congregation updated. 720 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:44,000 Like every couple weeks we give an update on how the search is going, what, 721 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:48,160 what we're doing in this time, we have a search team, you know, 722 00:42:48,370 --> 00:42:51,520 so that's helping the process, um, 723 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,160 along with the search firm. So yeah, it, 724 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,760 they say it could take six to nine months in, 725 00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,360 in this climate where if you, I don't know, 726 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,280 maybe you got some of y'all out there have heard this, the term, 727 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:08,680 the great resignation that's taking place right now, where people who are, 728 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:13,080 it is just, these leaders are just resigning, left and right. Are retiring left, 729 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:13,560 and right. 730 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:14,960 They're retiring a lot of. 731 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:19,040 Yeah. Just because of the population and like, and the demographic. And, 732 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,600 and so it's leaving these giant holes and it's just, 733 00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:26,160 they said it could take longer because, you know, it's the same in ministry, 734 00:43:26,300 --> 00:43:29,920 not just in the professional world and or in the secular world. I mean, so. 735 00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:35,000 Yeah. Well, meanwhile, you, you got a strong thing going there, 736 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:39,130 man. And, um, yeah, I love, I love hearing your stories. 737 00:43:39,230 --> 00:43:42,850 And so I, I, I wanted, I wanted also, you know, 738 00:43:42,850 --> 00:43:46,410 take a little time and tell us, you know, 739 00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:49,490 how are you balancing all this? I mean, you, you. 740 00:43:49,490 --> 00:43:49,970 That's a. 741 00:43:49,970 --> 00:43:54,170 Good question, great family, by the way. I mean, you have this, uh, awesome, 742 00:43:54,170 --> 00:43:57,250 talented family, and then you've also got, now, you know, 743 00:43:57,250 --> 00:44:01,330 you got this worship ministry. That's that just, 744 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,930 I think it rivals any of 'em really. 745 00:44:04,070 --> 00:44:07,890 And now you're speaking and I know that takes hours of preparation. 746 00:44:07,890 --> 00:44:11,970 So talk to us about how you, how do you do that all? 747 00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,890 Well, in reality, I think it's just the Providence of God because. 748 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:17,993 Okay. 749 00:44:18,270 --> 00:44:19,690 The longer I've been somewhere, 750 00:44:19,690 --> 00:44:24,210 one thing that Ray always challenged us with is like, you know, as a leader, 751 00:44:24,210 --> 00:44:27,890 you should be putting something down and picking up something new, you know, 752 00:44:27,890 --> 00:44:28,250 a lot. 753 00:44:28,250 --> 00:44:33,240 And the putting down is a lot of times equipping others and 754 00:44:33,240 --> 00:44:34,200 delegating and, 755 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:39,120 and helping to entrust others with things that maybe that you don't 756 00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,000 just have to do yourself. And then if you're, 757 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,840 if you're putting things down in that sense, 758 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,400 then you should be picking up something else, 759 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:50,840 constantly be learning and growing and stretching herself and going deeper. 760 00:44:51,300 --> 00:44:54,800 And, and not only what you already do, but you know, some new things. 761 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:59,480 And so I've always kind of been in the habit of that and, um, 762 00:44:59,940 --> 00:45:01,720 you know, kind of the way, you know, 763 00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:04,200 how it is a lot of times in the church world where you, 764 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,360 you kind of pick up other responsibilities along the way. 765 00:45:07,980 --> 00:45:12,040 And so I picked up some administrative duties here and, um, 766 00:45:12,580 --> 00:45:16,760 and so as, as I've grown and as the years have gone by, but, um, 767 00:45:17,140 --> 00:45:21,800 but I think that that's, that foundation has helped me to be like, okay, 768 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,160 it's just another picking up of something. It's another stretching of myself. 769 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:26,840 It's another growing. It's another opportunity, 770 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:31,490 but it would not have happened if 771 00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:35,730 I hadn't been encouraged. And I hadn't been, uh, 772 00:45:35,730 --> 00:45:40,410 equipping my team as well, along the way, for sure. You know, 773 00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:42,930 the fact that I can, you know, 774 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:48,690 I can step away from the worship team, uh, 775 00:45:48,690 --> 00:45:53,570 per se, uh, about two weeks. So whenever I speak, 776 00:45:53,580 --> 00:45:56,730 it takes me out because of everything I have to do leading up to, 777 00:45:56,730 --> 00:45:59,490 it takes me out about two Sundays from the worship team. 778 00:46:00,150 --> 00:46:02,810 And so that's like half that's like half a month. Right. 779 00:46:03,110 --> 00:46:06,250 And so if it wasn't for the strength of the, 780 00:46:06,250 --> 00:46:08,570 kind of the same thing with Ray and, and our team, 781 00:46:08,620 --> 00:46:13,010 or our senior staff and pastoral staff and, and support staff, 782 00:46:13,350 --> 00:46:15,330 you know, if it wasn't for the strength of the team, 783 00:46:15,330 --> 00:46:19,330 there'd be no way if I hadn't have done the due diligence that I had been 784 00:46:19,570 --> 00:46:24,250 encouraged by my leadership to do early on by equipping leaders on my team and 785 00:46:24,250 --> 00:46:26,530 growing the team and like doing all, 786 00:46:26,530 --> 00:46:31,530 there's no way right now I could have stepped into these 787 00:46:31,530 --> 00:46:32,363 things that, 788 00:46:32,370 --> 00:46:37,290 that God has opened up the door for and the needs that I could step into and be 789 00:46:37,290 --> 00:46:42,010 like, yes, I can, I can help with that. Yeah. And it's all because, 790 00:46:42,010 --> 00:46:45,050 and I, that's why I said, it's the Providence of God, cuz God knew, 791 00:46:45,170 --> 00:46:49,730 obviously he knew down the road what was happening. Yeah. And he knew, 792 00:46:50,500 --> 00:46:51,090 he know, 793 00:46:51,090 --> 00:46:55,650 he knew why it's important to do those things first, 794 00:46:56,460 --> 00:47:00,290 uh, to prepare, you know, for that, for those days. So, 795 00:47:01,180 --> 00:47:02,970 uh, so the, the, 796 00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,370 I couldn't do it without the team I had without my music director and, 797 00:47:07,370 --> 00:47:12,370 and technical arts teams and the volunteers, no way. Um, 798 00:47:12,370 --> 00:47:17,330 I couldn't do it without a supportive family for sure. Yeah. Um, 799 00:47:17,830 --> 00:47:22,770 and balance like I, I choose balance and it's something that's always been 800 00:47:24,140 --> 00:47:28,930 allowed for me to have freedom to for that life work balance. 801 00:47:29,140 --> 00:47:33,840 And so I, I say no to a lot of things and then, 802 00:47:34,340 --> 00:47:38,280 but my family get a lot of yeses now, so , you know, 803 00:47:38,450 --> 00:47:42,080 so it brings, it brings balance and you know, 804 00:47:42,910 --> 00:47:46,800 that's really, that's how, and just God, 805 00:47:47,110 --> 00:47:51,960 when I step into these moments and I feel like I'm inadequate or I come off 806 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:56,400 from the platform giving a message and I just feel like, oh, was that good? 807 00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:00,640 You know, did well, you know, just, just not feeling confident about it. 808 00:48:01,110 --> 00:48:05,480 It's, it's God stretching me in those moments and helping me to grow, 809 00:48:05,740 --> 00:48:10,280 you know, and, and filling in the, so to speak , um, 810 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:15,600 where he's moving in in spite of me. Right. And, um, 811 00:48:16,380 --> 00:48:20,240 and so that's really, if I had to boil it down, 812 00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:24,240 that that's how it's those things, you know, it's, that's, that's it. I mean, 813 00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:27,280 okay. Without those things, it's not possible. Well. 814 00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:31,120 You've said a lot there, but I'm gonna try to pull down even more, a few, 815 00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:35,360 few bullet points for those listening that I gleaned from what you just shared, 816 00:48:35,540 --> 00:48:38,840 you were intentional in pouring in your team over time. 817 00:48:38,980 --> 00:48:40,440 You didn't just wake up one day and go, 818 00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,000 I'm gonna take next week to pouring my team. 819 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,000 Now you've been doing this for a long time and, uh, 820 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:49,920 and got honored that and prepared you and ways for you to what you did 821 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:54,480 not even know was coming, but yet you're ready for it when it came. Uh, and, 822 00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,120 and so that, that's something I saw. 823 00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,720 I think also you have the support of your family. 824 00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:01,520 I'm gonna draw this conclusion, although you didn't actually say it. 825 00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:06,040 I think it's reasonable to say you have their support because you have so many 826 00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:07,480 opportunities to say yes to them. 827 00:49:08,020 --> 00:49:08,620 Yes. 828 00:49:08,620 --> 00:49:12,520 And that balance has brought that support from your family as much as they love 829 00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:16,240 you. That don't mean they're gonna support your ministry like they do yours. Um, 830 00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:16,720 right. You know, 831 00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:20,600 it's not a guarantee that they're gonna automatically just love everything that 832 00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,840 we're doing as ministers. We've gotta learn to say yes to our family life. 833 00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:25,800 I love that. I drew that from what you just said. 834 00:49:26,270 --> 00:49:26,920 Mm-hmm. 835 00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,080 um, and although your humility, I mean, 836 00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,240 your humility just comes out of, out in you, man. Um, 837 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,560 those of you who haven't heard Josh lead, he's incredible. He could be the guy, 838 00:49:37,700 --> 00:49:41,640 but he chooses something different. He's he, you know, 839 00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,560 that's what I've always appreciated about you. 840 00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:47,520 You certainly are very strong out front, but you, uh, 841 00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:51,760 have prioritized shows it to prioritize being a, 842 00:49:51,910 --> 00:49:55,240 a coach and a pastor to your people. Yeah. And a, and a, 843 00:49:55,260 --> 00:49:59,760 and someone who pours into them, uh, even if that means stepping aside some, 844 00:50:00,090 --> 00:50:03,120 so those are things I wanted to glean from what you just said to point out to 845 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:03,710 people. 846 00:50:03,710 --> 00:50:05,840 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you're right. And, 847 00:50:05,900 --> 00:50:10,240 and it's not that I haven't seen my fair share struggles. I have. Sure. Um, 848 00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:15,120 and those, and I've been through moments where I wanted to be done, you know, 849 00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:19,880 I've, I was just ready to do anything else. Uh, 850 00:50:20,090 --> 00:50:23,320 so for those out there who may be going through that season where you're just 851 00:50:23,550 --> 00:50:28,240 feel defeated, you feel like there's no hope, um, 852 00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:29,880 just know that there is, 853 00:50:30,020 --> 00:50:34,960 and that just keep be faithful is what I gotta say. Just be faithful, you know, 854 00:50:35,890 --> 00:50:40,440 uh, because God definitely came through, uh, 855 00:50:40,460 --> 00:50:43,120 for me and I know he'll do it for you. I know he'll do it for all of us. 856 00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:47,200 So it's just, it doesn't come without its trials, 857 00:50:47,860 --> 00:50:50,800 you know, in tribulations. But, uh, 858 00:50:51,300 --> 00:50:55,320 the great news is that God is there with us every step of the way, so. 859 00:50:56,190 --> 00:50:59,480 Well, wow, man. Well, 860 00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,200 I always enjoy these conversations. 861 00:51:01,260 --> 00:51:05,320 And so I don't wanna wear you out today because I wanna get you back some time 862 00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,800 to talk to more. Uh, and, and I also wanna say, uh, 863 00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,520 thank you for the support you've shown to next level worship. 864 00:51:12,170 --> 00:51:13,160 Uh, oh yeah. 865 00:51:13,380 --> 00:51:16,360 You know, we, we love being in your church. We've been there, 866 00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,840 we've done conferences in your church, uh, and, uh, 867 00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:24,000 you've brought your team to us and, uh, you've been to Africa. 868 00:51:24,430 --> 00:51:25,060 Yeah. 869 00:51:25,060 --> 00:51:25,920 And, um. 870 00:51:26,900 --> 00:51:27,733 And India. 871 00:51:28,370 --> 00:51:31,800 Uh, yeah. well, that's more than I can say. 872 00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:33,030 . 873 00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:36,400 I tried to get to India, but that's another story. It wouldn't let me in, 874 00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,920 but on a technicality of my visa, thank you very much. 875 00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:43,400 But you and PG cared right on and had a great experience there. While I sat, 876 00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:47,960 remember this, I had to go back to OS a OS. How say, 877 00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:52,200 do you say OBA Ababa? I have you say it. Yeah. The anyway, uh, 878 00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:56,800 the capital of Ethiopia and sit there in an airport and teach, 879 00:51:57,210 --> 00:51:58,043 um, 880 00:51:58,100 --> 00:52:02,400 via online while you're there in person with all these wonderful worship leaders 881 00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,720 and pastors in the room in India . 882 00:52:05,740 --> 00:52:10,160 And just if anyone's ever traveled overseas or to remote places, 883 00:52:10,190 --> 00:52:14,320 just the fact that that was able to be possible was a miracle on and episode. 884 00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:14,720 Yeah. 885 00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:15,430 . 886 00:52:15,430 --> 00:52:16,263 That's true. 887 00:52:16,390 --> 00:52:20,160 Well, I mean, it just, 888 00:52:21,390 --> 00:52:22,880 yeah. You know, 889 00:52:23,610 --> 00:52:26,960 it was just incredible just to see God pull through in those moments. 890 00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:28,360 Yeah. Cause I mean, I, 891 00:52:28,670 --> 00:52:31,240 I didn't know what we were gonna do and they wouldn't let me in the country 892 00:52:31,240 --> 00:52:35,240 because of this, you know, it's technicality. It, it was, 893 00:52:35,240 --> 00:52:38,880 it was not their fault. Right. It was really my oversight, but I just didn't, 894 00:52:39,070 --> 00:52:43,800 I didn't know it, I an issue, but anyway, um, and so it was like, well, 895 00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,240 thank you. And now we've left, left Josh hanging. 896 00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:51,760 He's there all by himself. Uh, as far as only a us person there and, and, 897 00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:56,040 and right with PG, but you guys just rocked it. So you've been to India. You, 898 00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,480 you, and, and you've lived to tell, you know, you've actually, 899 00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:02,200 you continue to hang with us even after that fiasco, 900 00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,440 but it turned out to actually be a blessing and God blessed it. Uh, 901 00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:06,880 and you just, you know, 902 00:53:06,980 --> 00:53:11,440 you Indiana have come to refocus on several occasions when we were doing it live 903 00:53:11,450 --> 00:53:16,320 in person in gall. Oh, well actually fours, the smokes, uh, 904 00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:20,560 guys were there and then you you're, we've had your team lead from a distance. 905 00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,280 Even when we moved down to Pensacola. 906 00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:27,320 We've held, uh, renew at our church. And how renew couple. 907 00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:28,560 Times, couple times. 908 00:53:28,710 --> 00:53:30,320 What was the other one? The, um. 909 00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:34,080 Yeah, we do. Well, we don't do them now, but we did an intensive there with you. 910 00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:37,360 Yeah. Uh, and the own reason we don't is we just got so much on our plate. 911 00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,120 We just had to put that go for a while, but man, that's, 912 00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:44,400 that's where we're really pour into and just dig into strategic planning. Yeah. 913 00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:48,280 We did that with you. Yeah. So you you've tried a lot of things with us, man, 914 00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,800 and you've been using pure praise and our other materials. So thanks. 915 00:53:52,220 --> 00:53:53,270 Thanks for all that. 916 00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,910 Oh man. Thank you for letting God use you. 917 00:53:55,910 --> 00:53:57,950 And next level worship has made a huge impact. 918 00:53:57,950 --> 00:54:02,030 I'm looking forward to lots of great partnerships in the future. So, so. 919 00:54:02,030 --> 00:54:05,390 I'm thinking, so I'm thinking. And so just so, um, everybody knows, 920 00:54:05,390 --> 00:54:08,750 these guys are actually meeting in the old Sweetwater building. 921 00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,950 Uh that's that's, that's where they meet. This is so cool. And so yeah, if. 922 00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:16,190 You're a worship, Peter, if you're a worship leader, there's, 923 00:54:16,190 --> 00:54:18,750 there's no doubt that you probably you've. 924 00:54:18,750 --> 00:54:20,190 Heard of Sweetwater. Yeah. 925 00:54:20,190 --> 00:54:21,070 Yeah. So that's, 926 00:54:21,070 --> 00:54:25,110 that's headquartered here in Fort Wayne and it's literally just a couple miles 927 00:54:25,110 --> 00:54:27,110 from where I'm at now, but yeah, 928 00:54:27,380 --> 00:54:31,190 this room that we're in used to be a guitar room, so oh wow. 929 00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:33,550 You see the flat walls behind me. They would hang actually. 930 00:54:33,550 --> 00:54:34,750 Looks so cool by the way. Yeah. 931 00:54:35,030 --> 00:54:39,830 yeah. The guitars and so climate control room and, and so, um, 932 00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:40,790 so. 933 00:54:40,790 --> 00:54:43,830 Yeah, that's that room, man. That's a nice room dude. Nice. They set you up. 934 00:54:44,380 --> 00:54:45,430 Well, let me tell you, 935 00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:49,110 if you ever get a chance to visit Sweetwater is something else it's like their 936 00:54:49,110 --> 00:54:49,390 new, 937 00:54:49,390 --> 00:54:54,270 their newer location is like the Google of music and oh yeah. 938 00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:58,470 Um, they've got, they just, they opened up last year. 939 00:54:58,500 --> 00:55:03,430 I think the world's largest like music store and it's just, it's unreal. 940 00:55:03,860 --> 00:55:06,470 Yeah. It's unreal. You know, 941 00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:11,310 it's easy to take for granted that it's just like a Stone's throw away, but yes, 942 00:55:11,460 --> 00:55:13,710 it's awesome. Yeah. Sweetwater. This was, but I. 943 00:55:13,710 --> 00:55:14,543 Mean, you've got, 944 00:55:14,580 --> 00:55:17,830 you've got people on your team that are that work there and I mean, 945 00:55:17,830 --> 00:55:19,110 it's just a great partnership. Mm-hmm . 946 00:55:19,620 --> 00:55:22,910 Yeah. Yes we do. And attend here and yeah, absolutely. 947 00:55:22,910 --> 00:55:27,630 Yeah. Attend there. Yeah. I remember when we first came up, um, to just, uh, 948 00:55:27,630 --> 00:55:28,350 we were coming through, 949 00:55:28,350 --> 00:55:32,710 we wanna record you and Indiana just talking about the resources, 950 00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:35,630 the next step of worship. Remember that we, we did a video with you. Yes. 951 00:55:35,630 --> 00:55:39,630 And you said, Hey, go. Yeah, you said, now this is like five years ago. Now, 952 00:55:39,630 --> 00:55:42,870 I guess you said you wanna go over to sew you water and eat lunch. I'm thinking. 953 00:55:43,450 --> 00:55:44,750 Eat lunch, eat. 954 00:55:44,750 --> 00:55:49,030 Lunch at a, at a audio store. it did not sound appealing at all. 955 00:55:49,030 --> 00:55:52,710 It's like, I mean, I didn't know. Y'all like, I know you now, but, but I, right, 956 00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:55,630 right, right. All, I mean, he wants to go to eat at, at an audio, 957 00:55:56,260 --> 00:55:59,230 I guess I'll go. Oh, my word. It was like, uh, 958 00:55:59,230 --> 00:56:03,390 amazing and buffet and it was awesome, but I went, wow. So, 959 00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:08,950 uh, I was amazing, but anyway, I'll never be, forget that. Well, 960 00:56:08,950 --> 00:56:10,830 I thank you Josh for the time today, buddy. 961 00:56:11,380 --> 00:56:12,230 Absolutely. 962 00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:15,510 Good man. Been good. I want you to go check on your mama and, uh, 963 00:56:15,510 --> 00:56:18,150 get back to all that other stuff you got going on, but. 964 00:56:18,460 --> 00:56:21,830 Yeah, no, this is great. A nice, it's been a nice little, uh, 965 00:56:22,130 --> 00:56:24,840 interruption to my day, even though it was planned. 966 00:56:25,260 --> 00:56:27,800 Yes, it was a planned interruption, but, uh, yeah, but. 967 00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,480 It was, it was, I'm very thankful for this time. Thank. 968 00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,240 You so much. Oh, always, always enjoy, uh, our time. 969 00:56:33,240 --> 00:56:34,960 And so we'll be in touch and, and, 970 00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,880 and get you back on here again and hopefully get you involved with some, 971 00:56:37,910 --> 00:56:40,680 some more trips in that down the road. Gotta get you back. 972 00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:42,600 Absolutely. Absolutely. 973 00:56:42,940 --> 00:56:45,880 All right, buddy. Well, Hey, thanks everybody for joining us for live talk. 974 00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:50,800 We'll be back next week and, um, it'll be hard to talk this guy, but, uh, I, 975 00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,160 I promise you, we got some more great guests coming up, 976 00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,480 so we'll see you back next week for more live talk. Thanks so much. 977 00:56:55,830 --> 00:56:57,440 Thanks for listening to live. 978 00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:01,200 Talk with Dwayne Moore live talk is presented by next level, 979 00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:05,760 worship international to learn more about our global community and find great 980 00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,800 devotionals and other resources on lifestyle worship, visit next level, 981 00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:11,000 worship.com.