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Welcome to my crazy office podcast with the

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working for you isn't working for me and

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Cassie El and Catherine Crowley. They are committed

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to creating world peace, 1 crazy office.

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And now, here are Cassie and Cassie.

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Hey, everyone. I'm Kathy El, and I'm Catherine

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Crowley and welcome to my crazy office.

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So today, we're going to discuss, a crucial

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question

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that some of you may be asking yourselves.

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Is it time to make a radical change?

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We start with a question from someone who

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has been in a boring, but secure job

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for 15 years. A recent lay is making

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this person consider whether it's time to go

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back to school and pursue a degree in

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something they've always wanted to do.

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Oh, yeah.

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It's you know, radical career changes can be

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very exciting, but also very scary. Yep. So

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I'm really glad we're. Talking about this. I

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hope more people will send questions like this

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to info at my crazy office dot c.

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So here's the question we're answering.

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I've been working at the same job for

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15 years, doing work that no longer interests

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me.

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But I've earned a good living,

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I just got laid off, and now I'm

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trying to be honest with myself.

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Maybe I should take this opportunity to make

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a radical change, go back to school, and

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do what I've always wanted to do. I

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could also just go back and get another

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boring but secure job in the same industry.

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What should I do?

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Yeah. I mean, I they say most people

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will have 3 careers in a lifetime

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Definitely on my third. Maybe they'll be a

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fourth. Not sure. You know, what goes a

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pottery.

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I and know, you know, you never know.

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But,

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I think that,

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you know, that that's kind of a joke.

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But, you know, I started out, in the

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fashion industry. I've had major career changes.

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So I... I'm a believer in this that,

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you know, if you're not too old. I

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mean, there may be a certain point where

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at 60, it's probably not a smart thing

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to do. Although it some people it can

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work,

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you've got enough savings and you can put

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yourself through school, why not?

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If it's a career that will... You can

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work in for quite a while.

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But I think, you know, I've seen people

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in their early thirties and then early forties,

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and even early fifties

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make major career shifts. And there's nothing wrong

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with it? It's scary? You don't know it's

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gonna turn out, but why

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stay in something you don't like?

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And right? You know, and.

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You've always known. You know, you wanted to

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be a nurse. So you've always...

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Known and you wanted to be a librarian.

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But yet, you didn't wanna take the time

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to go back to school. And there's just

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some part of you that didn't allow you

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to do it because she would had a

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secure job, and it was interesting

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enough. Wow. But but, you know, if you're

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in a position now where you're laid off,

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and you have the resources to do it

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or get a boring job so that you

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can go back to school at night or

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a part time job so that you can

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go back to school to and move forward

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in the career you've always wanted. Yeah. I

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completely agree. And I think it's not an

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either or thing. It's not either go to

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school full time or get a boring job.

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It's probably

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go back and get a job where you

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know you can to pay for your life

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if you need that,

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while

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pursuing your dream job or your dream career.

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Mh. Wanted to do. And I... 1 of

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the things that it's is striking to me

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as this person has been the say job

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for 15 years. So probably in their thirties.

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And what I've seen developmental mentally is that

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there is something that happens in your late

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thirties, early forties

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and definitely very striking, by the time you're

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50, where you know

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so much more about who you are and

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what you really want. And you've probably full

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filled the obligations that other people wanted you

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to do, you know?

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went to some... You know, got a marketing

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position or you got a standard job that

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you thought was what you were supposed to

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do, And now as the real you emerges,

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you discover that probably something you may have

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had a passion for in the... Past or

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something you do as a hobby

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is how what you really want to do.

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people deny that part of them themselves that

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they don't actually see them see themselves

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through,

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something that they've always wanted to do. It

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just I I feel terrible for people that

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are in situations where they can't do that.

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And sometimes you just can't... Maybe you have

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a lot of children and maybe the o

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the overhead is just overwhelming and you just

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have to keep a roof over your head.

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And that I understand that I respect that.

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But if there is a chance that you

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can

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do this that you can get the boring

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job that keep... You employed while you're going

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back to school, I'd say do it. Yeah.

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I think also, I mean, great that this

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person is saying

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that they've

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had time to be honest with themselves. And

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I think that's part of a too Cathy

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is. To that you... It may take... Before

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you even start a radical change. It may

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take some soul searching to figure out what

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that would really be for you. And you

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also have to deal with your fear. Because

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I think very often what stops people from

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pursuing what they really wanna do is the

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fear. Either the fear that is not secure

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enough, or they won't find a job

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or that is it not gonna work out

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or they're not really good at it. I

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was thinking of some of the career changes

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that I've seen and there spanned the gamut

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someone who is a photo style stylist who

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became a special ed teacher.

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Portfolio manager who became a small business owner,

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a marketing marketing strategist who became an urban

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tour guide,

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you know, a lawyer who became a psycho.

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So these are big changes.

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takes time. It takes contemplation. It takes a

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plan and it takes support

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to make that kind of a shift.

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my friend, Christine,

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could worked for us for a while. She

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was... Had been laid off in the fashion

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in street by Liz Cla. And finally, the

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last time they laid her off, and they're

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they're now gone. Yeah.

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She just sold her apartment, moved to a

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cheaper apartment. And put herself through college,

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and then her master's degree and became a

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librarian and very successful and is now finally

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retiring.

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don't... I think I really supported her through

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that. So did you, But I think a

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lot of her family.

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they were very impressed. But

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you know,

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she she could never have been happier.

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You know, to have accomplished that. So, you

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know, don't sell yourself short. If you can,

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try to get the education you need

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move into the career you've always wanted or

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the core you think you will vote always

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wanted. It's not gonna hurt to go back

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to school. It's always helps.

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it's a gradual

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process this. Right? You take and you could

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even start just taking a course or 2

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in your area of interest to see if

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it's true for you.

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And then build on that. And I think

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that's part of it too is the willingness

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to persevere

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and expect this to be

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I mean, what would you say Cathy, it's

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probably usually about a 4 year process for

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a person to really change

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Yeah. Ears and industry and the whole bit.

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Yeah. But 1 thing I wanna say, going

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back to school as an adult, they tend

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to do better than when you to college

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right out of high school. Yeah you... For

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some reason, you're able to study better, or

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you have wisdom based on your life. So

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they tend to do very, very well. And

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you may be in a class where you

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may be older than your teacher, but it

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doesn't matter.

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You're still learning something that you wanna learn.

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So I'm a... I know, we both are

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big believers in this that if the... If

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you've have denied yourself or or for some

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reason gotten into a career that

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war thin for you at a certain point.

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There's nothing wrong with stepping back

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and starting a new career path and not

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every career needs

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education. Right certain careers that you don't need

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it. And I encourage you to do that

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also.

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And sometimes you have to step back and

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take a lower position, but those people tend

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to move up the ranks pretty quickly. Yes.

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Right? I appreciate you saying that. Because because

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they had the work experience and they know

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how to manage people and they know how

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to be in the workplace So they tend

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to do very well.

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So don't be afraid to go back.

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Yeah. Well to the beginning steps because you

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will move through them pretty quickly.

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So I think what we're saying to this

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individual is, yes,

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do take this opportunity to make a radical

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change, Mh.

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Go back to school,

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but you may also need to get a

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boring and secure job. Right. In to be

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able to do it. Yes.

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But, yeah. I give this advice

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many more times than people take it. Yeah.

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So I know it's not an easy decision.

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No. And it takes a lot of courage

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and perseverance,

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and I think discipline.

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It's why it is so important to have

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support. In doing.

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Yeah. So, I know that people sell themselves

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short,

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and they they don't do it. But, you

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know, as the years

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pile and you become older and and and

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and... That's your industry now because you've really

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climbed up of that ladder

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