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Welcome to episode 425

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of the Microsoft Cloud IT Pro podcast recorded

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live 03/27/2026

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from the Microsoft Studios at the Microsoft MVP

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Summit. This is a show about Microsoft three

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sixty five and Azure from the perspective of

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IT pros and end users, where we discuss

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a topic or recent news and how it

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relates to you. In this episode,

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Scott quadruple books himself with meetings, and Joy

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Apple joins Ben once again on the show.

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It's the end of MVP summit, and Joy

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and Ben are a little short on sleep,

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but have a great time

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learning a bit more about Joy Apple and

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her road to becoming a Microsoft MVP.

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We also spent some time chatting about SharePoint,

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OneDrive, Teams, and the importance of governance in

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Microsoft March,

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especially in this age of AI. And finally,

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we wrap up just talking a bit about

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the community around around Microsoft three '65 at

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the MVP summit, at conferences,

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and that family atmosphere that we enjoy so

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much at these events. Let's dive into the

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We are here for another episode of the

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Microsoft Cloud IT Pro podcast with Joy, and

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we are we're in a fancy

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studio.

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It is so fancy.

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It is. We're at the Microsoft I was

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gonna say, I was gonna name the podcast.

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We're at the MVP summit in Redmond

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at Microsoft headquarters

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at the mothership as people like to say.

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Right? Yes. Right. We are at the Microsoft

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they offered up the opportunity

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for podcasters

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to, like, sit down Mhmm. And record podcasts

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in fancy studios. So this one's audio and

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video, and I know most people listen to

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the podcast on audio.

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at least the podcast YouTube channel, and we'll

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put links in the show notes if people

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wanna actually go see Joy and I. And

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Who wouldn't wanna do that? You'll have the

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video. I don't know. You may put stuff

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up some places too. But I've been known

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to do it. You have. I will let

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you most people know me. I mean, you've

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been on the podcast

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once or twice? Is it just been once?

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This is twice.

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So do you wanna tell us a little

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bit about Joy Apple? Who Joy Apple is?

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What Joy Apple does? Where Joy works? I

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can do that. All of that? All the

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things. But first, I have to be paranoid

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because we had to put a push a

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button to turn on the video, but the

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audio is just going. Right? The audio is

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going. I can see we can see it

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over here. See the little green lights? They're,

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like, flickering on the bottom there. Okay. Do

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you feel better? Perfect. I'm good. So hi.

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I'm Joy Apple. I'm paranoid.

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But let me see. Who am I? What

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do I do? Where do I do it?

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So Joy Apple, I've been in the Microsoft

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space. This year turns over to twenty official

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years. Does it really? Where did you get

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your start? In a bank. In the Microsoft

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role in a bank? Nope. Oh. So I

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was in the financial industry. Did you know

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that human beings in general are really uptight

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about their money in their houses? Yes.

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Imagine that. Imagine. Just those things.

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I didn't love it, but it was fine.

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nerd, if something didn't work, I was not,

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but I was the on-site IT person because

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our IT was two hours away. And you

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weren't scared to push a button? I'm not

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scared to push a button. Even at a

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bank. There are destroyed household appliances from when

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and push buttons. And a microwave with metal

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in it?

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Yeah. So I had an opportunity. I was

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approached by someone who was helping to write

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a book with Microsoft Press, and they asked

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them to do some copy editing. It was

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for the Microsoft Office SharePoint Server Administrator's pocket

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consultant.

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That is a mouthful. I know. And if

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you had a pocket that was, like, 10

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by five by three, the pocket consultant would

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fit into that.

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That's a really big pocket. Really big pocket.

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Was it because the title had to fit

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on the front of the book so that

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I had to make the book that big?

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kind of a that was when they would

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put, like, tool images on the front of

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the book. So it was like a pneumatic

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handle or I don't know. I don't know.

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because the bank at that time used Lotus

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and that which was like, that's some of

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the OG collaborate software. Right? And I was

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trying to convince them, like, we could see

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each other's calendars. We could manage

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mortgage appointments and things like that. We could

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do that. And they're like, that's so complicated.

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kinds of things. But going through this book,

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I I wanna know more. Well, if you've

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ever written a book, probably does it, like,

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make you rich instantly, if ever? You know

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what? I have heard this. I have never

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written a book, but I have talked to

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enough people writing books. It's always so it's

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always in my the back of my mind,

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it would be really cool to, like, have

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a book with my name on it. And

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then I talk to anybody that's ever written

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a book and they're like Don't do it.

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Don't do it. Like, okay? Don't do it.

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in money. I was paid in training. Oh,

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interesting. Because I was like, this is and

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I look. Because I wasn't a cover author.

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I wasn't contributing content. I was taking engineering

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words and putting them into sentences. Engineers don't

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talk Shocking. Sentences. We love you. You engineers.

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Understandable words. We love you. I was raised

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by an engineer. We love you. I'm an

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engineer. You can make fun of me. I

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would have to completely rewrite everything.

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So I learned SharePoint. I went to

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web content management training. I went to end

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user training. I went to admin training.

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an official IT role

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a government contracting

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facility in Huntsville, Alabama. Then I became a

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trainer. Does it have a name? We are

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just gonna leave that alone.

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right time, right place, grace of God, the

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right opportunity,

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because I don't think any of us grew

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up wanting to be SharePoint professionals

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when I did not. Well, SharePoint didn't exist

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when I was a kid. Fair. But I

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also did not grow up with these aspirations

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of Oh, but it was as amazing

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journey. And thinking back, like, holy moly, twenty

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really cool stuff today Yes. That I couldn't

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have imagined twenty years ago. When you were

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right? When you were doing SharePoint 2007 because

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yeah. Yeah. It's wild to think about all

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the changes in SharePoint It's amazing. Over the

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last twenty years. And it what, like, is

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it was this year earlier in March. Well,

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it's March now. A week or two ago

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was, like, SharePoint's 20

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birthday.

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was, like, 02/1956.

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was about the time 2,007

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was coming out. Yeah. Okay. So I think

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it was somewhere between it was, like, 02/1956

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time frame that I got my introduction to

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it. Yeah. It's an amazing journey. I mean,

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you always take turns as you're going down

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your career path and sometimes, like, why did

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this different. But in like, for me personally,

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at my third or fourth in person MVP

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summit. Okay. So did you go to any

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right after COVID Mhmm. People I I heard

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feedback that it wasn't

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great those first year. I didn't have anything

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to compare it to because I was a

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during COVID. Did you go then as soon

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Ignite that I didn't go to. I think

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doing the best we could. Yes. Very true.

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yeah, twenty years, Microsoft,

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firmly on the collaboration side of the house.

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Tree Software now. So that is where I

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have expanded, and I've been there for about

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three and a half years. It's been three

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and a half years already? It's man, the

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stuff we're doing, also exciting and fabulous. So

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I love governance.

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We can say that now with our head

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held high. We can say govern yes. We

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used to be like, okay. I wanna say

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this word. It's the g word. It don't

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hit me now. It's like, y'all gotta do

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your governance. You need to do governance. And

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I mean, we both been in SharePoint line.

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like governance is even more important now. People

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create it's kinda like AI. Right? AI helps

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you find things faster,

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easier, all of that, but I also feel

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like it helps you create things It does.

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expedites the ability to

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have sprawl or for content to get where

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it shouldn't be or all of that. So

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more important now. It's very important. My colleague,

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Reyna O'Neil,

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wrote a little article on LinkedIn the other

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day. I've got my phone on airplane mode,

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so it doesn't make noise. So now I

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can't remember the type. Something like your AI

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isn't broken your processes or something like that.

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whatever practices you have in place. Oh, yeah.

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if it's just the gates wide open, anyone

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could do anything, anytime, any place, anywhere,

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just go nuts. Or we talked about a

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lot this week, YOLO mode. Right? If you're

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if everything in your tenant is YOLO,

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AI is gonna it's gonna be so bad

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because, right, everything's there. Nothing gets cleaned up.

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You just put things wherever you want. You

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don't really approach things with a process.

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it's feeding off of what we give it.

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amplify that chaos. Yeah.

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You're out of time. Copilot needs to be

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deployed ASAP, but is your tenant really ready

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for it? Years of data, permissions, and users

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lurk in its shadows, ready to be exposed

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Sharegate Protect sees it all, so you can

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find the exposure risks, fix them fast, and

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deploy AI with confidence.

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Microsoft three sixty five governance. We got this.

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It's similar. We talked about this a lot

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all those are coming out. Right. You give

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it bad data, you're gonna get bad reports.

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Input output. Yeah. You give Copilot bad data,

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incorrect data, old data, whatever data. It's yeah.

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It's just gonna amplify the bad the badness.

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So Buckley Christian Buckley and I were talking

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about this recently. So we're dusting off our

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because they're relevant again. Right? Because we're we

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have to talk the fundamentals

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this is a bold statement. But it's like

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the fundamentals are so much more important now,

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it feels like, than they ever were.

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my head.

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Do you guys sing for us? Maybe not

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right now. This is only coffee. It's only

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coffee.

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They're not recording this late in the day

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when their beverage requires a switch. Just the

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ammo bets are off. But, yeah, it's like

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information architecture. How many times have we said

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that phrase this week going, hey, Microsofts, don't

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forget about information architecture. Hey, folks using m

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three six five, don't forget. And if you're

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not really familiar with that, we have so

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many good resources in the community.

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Information architecture is so important.

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Data hygiene is so important. The concept of

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archiving things, setting permissions right. Oh, so important.

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And this is a lot of stuff. I'll

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let you do a little bit of a

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orchestrate pitch here. Okay. Alright. Because a lot

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of this stuff is stuff you're building into

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orchestrate Yep. Now. Right? There's a lot of

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that governance

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Totally. Controls, reporting.

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is a governance automation layer for Microsoft three

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sixty five. Okay. Right? Yeah. Load it in.

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It's great from a user perspective because the

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apps right there, pen it to the left

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rail in Teams because that's where we all

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are all the time. So templated provisioning,

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it it it's one of the one of

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the things I never

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appreciated when we switched to modern

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experience inside of SharePoint is it was so

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difficult, if not impossible, to have a cookie

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cutter homepage template. Right? It's very difficult. Yep.

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My favorite thing about orchestra, I think, still

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to this day is the fact that you

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can point orchestra at what we call a

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live template and say, I wanna use this

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every time something new is created. Mhmm. Pages,

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web part layouts,

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links, icons, images,

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lists, libraries, columns, JSON formatting.

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Boom. Go. Yeah. And it's not even just

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SharePoint sites, but, like, teams. Because I Teams.

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I use orchestrate. Communication sites to even engage

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communities. Right. Like, I create a team for

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every client I have in consulting, and that's

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how I do it with orchestra. I'm like,

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I want this team, these channels. I want

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it set up this way for every client

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team and SharePoint site and structured this way

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and Yeah. Yeah. So that we've had archiving

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in the product for years.

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When Microsoft released m three six five archive,

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we have added that to our archive suite.

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So you can make that policy driven now.

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So you can go in and say every

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time this template is used, this is the

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archive policy. If it goes, let's make it

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up. If it goes inactive for ninety consecutive

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days, reach out to the owner. And maybe

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for some sites, we don't wanna delete anything

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yet, but let's keep it in place, make

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it read only, set the group to archive,

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prune the drafts, and reclaim some storage. Alright.

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There's things you can do. Yeah. There's a

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variety of options there to get that rot

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out of the way. A redundant outdated and

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trivial content, if that's a new acronym for

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you. Secure guest management. I don't know that

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I've heard that acronym before. ROT yesterday. I

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had to do it. I don't know that

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I don't know that I have. Vlad said

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it today. Did he? Yeah. You don't listen

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to Vlad though. No. I think he just

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let it just wash our feet up. Because

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Vlad did not come say hi to me

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the other night. You did. You came down

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when you got back and said hi. Vlad

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blew me a kiss and got on the

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elevator. I don't That was a brush off

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of it. It was. I don't yeah. Anyways

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So much love in this community. Yes. This

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is the best. This is Which we'll have

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to come back to that here in a

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minute. Well, yes. It will. But no. Not

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to get salesy or pushy or anything about

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that, but this is a topic and a

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passion that I've always had around the technology

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stack. So I get to work at a

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company where that's what we do. And I

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think my favorite thing about Orchestra is the

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creators of the product are founders, our director

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of product, David Ferencore. Shout out David. You

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do amazing work. They've lived it since the

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early days. They've been the developers.

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They've been the consultants.

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So it's not just making a product to

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do a thing. It's like, this is the

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pain. Let's go fix it. Right. I've lived

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this pain. I've been in this world long

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enough. I know what

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hurts.

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Let's make it. Like, we just really solution.

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We just released our phase one of OneDrive

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governance. Because if you have your point's bad,

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OneDrive is horrible.

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Have I told you the story about

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my OneDrive? Well, this was OneDrive and SharePoint.

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I think I've I think I've told it

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on the podcast before. But I'm I'll tell

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it to you just, again, from your perspective.

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I have some client I've had a lot

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of work lately around people running to roll

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out Copilot and do governance. Mhmm. On their

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data, they're like, what do I need to

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do to roll out Copilot? I'm like,

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you should really make sure how your stuff

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is in SharePoint. Put your bare fist on

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speed dial. Yes. And then And I did

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it. Like, I'm sure I could do this

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with our history. I have my own PowerShell

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script that

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I point at SharePoint and just say, go

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find me all the sharing links and how

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they're shared and who they're shared with and

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all of that. Yeah. It's already built in.

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I built a PowerShell script. You don't need

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it? We can do it for you. Well,

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I did not build a PowerShell script. Claude

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built a PowerShell script.

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Thank you, Claude. But, anyways, I ran it

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against one client. They had 25,000

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links in their SharePoint environment that were shared

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with the entire organization. I believe it. That's

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probably their default. Yeah. It was their default,

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and then we went in and switched their

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default and all of that. This was a

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new one for me. One of their users,

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OneDrives,

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it gave you this was one of the

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built in SharePoint reports in SharePoint advanced management,

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the same reports For data access governance, do

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you need to tighten your Yeah. I feel

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like it's you know, we're having to Go

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higher. Technical difficulties will drive. Okay. I'll keep

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going, though. Yes, sir. But I looked at

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this report, and one of the items in

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there is how many users

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is your content shared with. This one user,

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one user's OneDrive, 2,500

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different people had content to or access to

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some content

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in his OneDrive. That's cool. Going back right?

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Going back to your OneDrive governance, it's like,

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how because of sharing is great. I love

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the ability to share, but there is absolutely

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that governance need. Like, you cannot have that

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many people having access to somebody's OneDrive without

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realizing

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what and how, especially folders. That's the other

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aspect. Someone shares a folder and all of

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a sudden they, like, start dropping content in

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it without realizing that the folder is shared.

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For long. Yeah. Yep. Because that content grows

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because it's what we do. We create content.

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And, yeah, it part of that comes back

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to us. And I'm saying us as, like,

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the broader

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admins, subject matter experts, whatever your role may

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be. We've got to convince our organizations to

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do proper training. Yes. Got to. Because just

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because you can share everything out of your

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OneDrive,

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it does not mean you should

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Right. That should be in a team with

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the proper audience, guardrails,

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what have you. I can let anybody into

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my house, but should I let anybody into

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my house? I don't know. Sharing is caring.

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I'm not that sharing with my house. No.

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Going back to your early statement about the

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bank. I care about my house. Right. We

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can't tie it about the house. I am

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not sharing my house with everybody and anybody.

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I have proper governance around who's allowed in

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my house. External users.

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Yeah.

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What's an internal my family is are those

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my internal users in my house? We. My

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coffee cup is a leak. This is a

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problem. Oh, I'm sorry. I don't have I'm

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gonna look like the messiest guest ever by

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the time. It's fine. Okay. Anyway, so yeah.

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It's proper go over there. Stuff. Yeah. I

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get to have great conversations. And part of

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my role, it's like one of those other

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duties is assigned just because I decided I

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wanted it to be. I get to be

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that kind of strategist for a lot of

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our customers too. It's like, look, I know

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you know what you're doing, but if you

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need to brainstorm, if you need I call

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it corporate therapy. If you just need someone

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that's been there, done that, has the shared

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trauma, set up a call. Let's hop on

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Teams. Talk it through.

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So again, I get to help be an

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unofficial adviser

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in some ways. Therapy.

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I think there is someone out there on

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the socials that is a SharePoint therapist. I

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should know who that is. I can't think

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of it right now. I don't know who

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that is. Yeah. I'm no. I'm not gonna

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look. I'm gonna stay focused. Resist resist the

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ADD. Yes.

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I will do it. Squirrel.

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Yeah. So, anyways Tell me. This week, tell

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you, we're at the MVP summit. Yeah. We

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mentioned that earlier. We did. And this is

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we've both been have you been an MVP

520
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have we been MVPs for about the same

521
00:18:42,804 --> 00:18:44,244
amount of time? I think I'm on year

522
00:18:44,244 --> 00:18:46,589
three or four. Four? I am on year

523
00:18:46,589 --> 00:18:48,589
five. I just got a five puck. Oh,

524
00:18:48,589 --> 00:18:50,349
yeah. Last week. So you're ahead of me.

525
00:18:50,349 --> 00:18:52,430
I think I can't remember how many clicks

526
00:18:52,430 --> 00:18:53,089
I have.

527
00:18:53,390 --> 00:18:54,990
That is cool. That was very exciting. But

528
00:18:54,990 --> 00:18:57,009
this is one of you said it earlier,

529
00:18:57,070 --> 00:18:58,750
your favorite week. This is a lot of

530
00:18:58,750 --> 00:18:59,250
people's

531
00:18:59,755 --> 00:19:02,394
favorite weeks. It is. And it's not we

532
00:19:02,394 --> 00:19:05,214
can't really talk about The details. The details.

533
00:19:05,355 --> 00:19:06,875
There are a lot of details. We wouldn't

534
00:19:06,875 --> 00:19:08,954
get to be invited back. Yeah. We would

535
00:19:08,954 --> 00:19:09,934
lose that MVP.

536
00:19:10,234 --> 00:19:12,414
But I think we can talk about just

537
00:19:12,554 --> 00:19:13,054
the

538
00:19:13,759 --> 00:19:15,779
experiences and even why

539
00:19:16,079 --> 00:19:17,779
it's our favorite week. Mhmm.

540
00:19:18,399 --> 00:19:20,000
And a lot of it has to do

541
00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,559
with, like, what I for me, it's like

542
00:19:22,559 --> 00:19:25,200
what I said about Vlad. Just Yes. The

543
00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,759
feel of it almost being like a family

544
00:19:27,759 --> 00:19:29,984
out here. It's, yeah, it's like a family

545
00:19:29,984 --> 00:19:32,384
reunion every year. It really is. And people

546
00:19:32,384 --> 00:19:33,984
are like, oh, it's lame or roll their

547
00:19:33,984 --> 00:19:35,125
eyes, but no, really.

548
00:19:35,585 --> 00:19:38,305
When I was in my Uber pulling up

549
00:19:38,305 --> 00:19:41,039
to Building 30 3 on Tuesday, my driver

550
00:19:41,039 --> 00:19:43,039
saw the lines because it was before the

551
00:19:43,039 --> 00:19:45,119
keynote, right? That was the official day, right?

552
00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,559
Yeah. So people everywhere, shuttles were dropping, all

553
00:19:48,559 --> 00:19:50,480
this stuff. And he was like, oh my

554
00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,640
gosh, what is happening? I was like, today

555
00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,565
is the first day of MVP summit. I

556
00:19:54,565 --> 00:19:56,325
said there are people we're here coming in

557
00:19:56,325 --> 00:19:58,325
from all over the world, and I said

558
00:19:58,325 --> 00:19:59,765
this is the one time of year if

559
00:19:59,765 --> 00:20:01,765
you get to come, you might only see

560
00:20:01,765 --> 00:20:04,005
your friends this one time a year. Yeah.

561
00:20:04,005 --> 00:20:05,445
And I think that's the first bit of

562
00:20:05,445 --> 00:20:08,769
excitement is that. But then, I mean, we're

563
00:20:08,769 --> 00:20:09,990
MVPs because

564
00:20:10,930 --> 00:20:13,170
somehow, someway, we got on the right radar

565
00:20:13,170 --> 00:20:15,090
or whatever, but it's because we love to

566
00:20:15,090 --> 00:20:17,170
share and to talk and to explore and

567
00:20:17,170 --> 00:20:19,570
to experiment with this technology. So now we

568
00:20:19,570 --> 00:20:21,170
get to come to the mothership once a

569
00:20:21,170 --> 00:20:24,365
year. Yeah. Talk to the builders, talk to

570
00:20:24,365 --> 00:20:25,664
the program managers.

571
00:20:26,045 --> 00:20:27,325
They do a little bit of show and

572
00:20:27,325 --> 00:20:29,345
tell. We get to give them feedback.

573
00:20:30,365 --> 00:20:32,705
We may or may not have bingo cards

574
00:20:33,244 --> 00:20:34,224
for those conversations

575
00:20:34,684 --> 00:20:35,184
about

576
00:20:35,644 --> 00:20:36,144
things.

577
00:20:36,789 --> 00:20:37,289
Fuzzwords.

578
00:20:38,549 --> 00:20:41,349
Yeah. No. I think you're right as you

579
00:20:41,349 --> 00:20:44,230
were talking about it, it's we love to

580
00:20:44,230 --> 00:20:46,410
share, go talk to people, go

581
00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:49,994
show people all the cool stuff. Yeah. But

582
00:20:49,994 --> 00:20:52,095
a lot of times, we go to

583
00:20:52,555 --> 00:20:55,195
conferences, different events, all of that. We see

584
00:20:55,195 --> 00:20:57,775
each other there, but we're also there

585
00:20:58,154 --> 00:20:58,654
presenting

586
00:20:59,115 --> 00:21:01,755
Yes. Talking to people, showing people how to

587
00:21:01,755 --> 00:21:04,769
do it. This week, it, like, it's a

588
00:21:04,769 --> 00:21:06,929
week where it gets to flip. We're the

589
00:21:06,929 --> 00:21:09,429
attendees. We're the attendees. We're just here

590
00:21:09,809 --> 00:21:11,569
seeing our friends that we only see. It's

591
00:21:11,569 --> 00:21:12,950
funny. There's someone

592
00:21:13,250 --> 00:21:15,490
that lives in Jacksonville, same city as me.

593
00:21:15,490 --> 00:21:17,990
Okay. He and I played ultimate Frisbee together

594
00:21:18,974 --> 00:21:20,575
for years and years. Like, five or six

595
00:21:20,575 --> 00:21:21,474
years in Jacksonville.

596
00:21:21,855 --> 00:21:23,454
I had not seen him in, like, five

597
00:21:23,454 --> 00:21:25,855
years. He became an MVP, and I saw

598
00:21:25,855 --> 00:21:27,695
him last year. Didn't see him for a

599
00:21:27,695 --> 00:21:29,535
whole year. Saw him again this year. It's

600
00:21:29,535 --> 00:21:31,075
like we live in the same city.

601
00:21:31,615 --> 00:21:34,599
We're different No. It's categories. Right. We're different

602
00:21:34,599 --> 00:21:36,919
categories of MVPs. Like, he does a lot

603
00:21:36,919 --> 00:21:38,380
with he works at a company

604
00:21:38,839 --> 00:21:41,319
doing path building a password manager. Okay.

605
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,319
You would think me being in security, we'd

606
00:21:43,319 --> 00:21:44,759
see each other more, but he's a lot

607
00:21:44,759 --> 00:21:46,519
more on, like, the development side of it,

608
00:21:46,519 --> 00:21:48,460
the product side of it. I'm doing consulting.

609
00:21:48,865 --> 00:21:50,625
But we see each other, like, once a

610
00:21:50,625 --> 00:21:52,865
year at MVP Summit. But it is it's

611
00:21:52,865 --> 00:21:54,865
that it's flipped. We're the attendees. We just

612
00:21:54,865 --> 00:21:57,444
get to hang out, spend time with people,

613
00:21:58,384 --> 00:22:00,085
spend time be sassy.

614
00:22:00,384 --> 00:22:02,384
Spend time with other people we maybe see

615
00:22:02,384 --> 00:22:05,839
at conferences. But at conferences, we are busy

616
00:22:05,839 --> 00:22:07,599
writing our presentations that we have to give

617
00:22:07,599 --> 00:22:10,480
the next day because we plan ahead. Yeah.

618
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,359
Like, conferences those conferences feel busier. They're very

619
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,519
busy. Is it's still busy, but it's different.

620
00:22:15,519 --> 00:22:17,384
It's relaxed for the attendees. We get

621
00:22:17,945 --> 00:22:19,085
to be the people

622
00:22:19,384 --> 00:22:22,125
being talked to, shown Yep. The new buttons,

623
00:22:22,345 --> 00:22:23,005
the new

624
00:22:23,545 --> 00:22:24,025
things

625
00:22:24,424 --> 00:22:26,825
Yep. All of the stuff we have to

626
00:22:26,825 --> 00:22:29,305
talk about really vaguely like that. Yeah. And

627
00:22:29,305 --> 00:22:30,744
it's great. Though I was just thinking as

628
00:22:30,744 --> 00:22:31,950
we were talking through that, I was like,

629
00:22:32,029 --> 00:22:34,130
what would it be like to turn our

630
00:22:34,269 --> 00:22:37,309
conference presentations into feedback sessions? And now I

631
00:22:37,309 --> 00:22:39,250
would like to gather your feedback on that.

632
00:22:39,389 --> 00:22:41,549
Yeah. Because I would say this, if if

633
00:22:41,549 --> 00:22:43,549
anyone at Microsoft can hear me now, it's

634
00:22:43,549 --> 00:22:45,515
still dropping. It is still dropping. Crazy.

635
00:22:46,535 --> 00:22:48,394
When you stand up in front of us

636
00:22:48,615 --> 00:22:49,755
as engineers,

637
00:22:50,055 --> 00:22:52,555
as program managers, project managers,

638
00:22:52,855 --> 00:22:55,575
and you open yourself up to that feedback,

639
00:22:55,575 --> 00:22:57,515
thank you for doing that. Yes.

640
00:22:58,055 --> 00:23:00,630
We really appreciate it. And we apologize

641
00:23:01,569 --> 00:23:02,069
for

642
00:23:02,609 --> 00:23:05,829
the brutal honesty that we can give sometimes.

643
00:23:06,049 --> 00:23:09,009
Yeah. Like, this was funny. I will talk

644
00:23:09,009 --> 00:23:10,849
about this. This is one session. It is

645
00:23:10,849 --> 00:23:13,250
not crank that thing down, Joy. There you

646
00:23:13,250 --> 00:23:13,750
go.

647
00:23:14,065 --> 00:23:16,065
One of the sessions I was in, it

648
00:23:16,065 --> 00:23:16,565
was

649
00:23:17,025 --> 00:23:17,924
all the questions

650
00:23:18,465 --> 00:23:19,445
that you

651
00:23:19,904 --> 00:23:21,424
how did they phrase it? Now I'm gonna

652
00:23:21,424 --> 00:23:23,265
blank out. It was something about oh, it

653
00:23:23,265 --> 00:23:25,184
was all the questions about a certain product

654
00:23:25,184 --> 00:23:26,965
that you're afraid to ask.

655
00:23:27,369 --> 00:23:28,509
Oh, that's bold.

656
00:23:28,890 --> 00:23:31,849
They crossed off the you're afraid to ask

657
00:23:31,849 --> 00:23:33,849
and just x it out and said, we

658
00:23:33,849 --> 00:23:35,929
have very quickly realized that MVPs are not

659
00:23:35,929 --> 00:23:37,230
afraid to ask anything.

660
00:23:38,329 --> 00:23:40,329
That's weird. But it is. To that point

661
00:23:40,329 --> 00:23:43,085
of we appreciate it is I appreciate those

662
00:23:43,085 --> 00:23:45,325
sessions when it really is. Like, just come

663
00:23:45,325 --> 00:23:47,164
in and ask us if you are from

664
00:23:47,164 --> 00:23:49,085
Microsoft and you're listening. Really, don't take it

665
00:23:49,085 --> 00:23:52,044
personally. We just No. We're very opinionated about

666
00:23:52,044 --> 00:23:54,700
the products we love. Well, I so few

667
00:23:54,700 --> 00:23:57,019
years ago, there was a sneak peek of

668
00:23:57,019 --> 00:23:57,759
some things

669
00:23:58,139 --> 00:24:00,720
that they were working on, and

670
00:24:02,059 --> 00:24:03,259
99%

671
00:24:03,259 --> 00:24:04,539
of us in the room lost our minds

672
00:24:04,539 --> 00:24:05,200
over it.

673
00:24:05,899 --> 00:24:07,454
In fact, Jonathan Weaver said, I wish I

674
00:24:07,454 --> 00:24:08,654
had a video of how fast your hand

675
00:24:08,654 --> 00:24:10,654
went up. I'm like, oh. So we stayed

676
00:24:10,654 --> 00:24:12,015
after because you gotta get out of the

677
00:24:12,015 --> 00:24:13,375
room because other things are going on. People

678
00:24:13,375 --> 00:24:14,894
gotta get playing. Another session. Just like a

679
00:24:14,894 --> 00:24:17,214
typical conference, there's another session coming in. People

680
00:24:17,214 --> 00:24:18,779
are coming in. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But But

681
00:24:18,779 --> 00:24:19,740
we kinda hung out in the room for

682
00:24:19,740 --> 00:24:20,940
a few minutes. I was talking with a

683
00:24:20,940 --> 00:24:24,000
gentleman who, again, he gave some great presentations

684
00:24:24,059 --> 00:24:25,980
and took some good feedback yesterday too. Very

685
00:24:25,980 --> 00:24:27,580
much appreciated. I was like, well, I don't

686
00:24:27,580 --> 00:24:29,340
understand why you would do it this way.

687
00:24:29,340 --> 00:24:30,779
He said, well, this is what our customers

688
00:24:30,779 --> 00:24:32,960
want. But I think from our perspective

689
00:24:33,525 --> 00:24:35,525
as consultant because we've been the consultants. Like,

690
00:24:35,525 --> 00:24:37,285
you don't have to have MVP after your

691
00:24:37,285 --> 00:24:40,805
name to live to be this valuable resource

692
00:24:40,805 --> 00:24:42,265
for your customers because

693
00:24:42,565 --> 00:24:45,125
sometimes our customers think they want something, so

694
00:24:45,125 --> 00:24:47,365
they go do it or they hire someone

695
00:24:47,365 --> 00:24:48,664
to do it for them.

696
00:24:49,039 --> 00:24:50,259
And then as consultants,

697
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,559
we get brought in to fix it later

698
00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:54,400
because they didn't really understand what they were

699
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:55,940
asking for or the ramifications

700
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,880
of going down a certain path. Yep. So

701
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:00,900
this is that chance to have that conversation

702
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,339
with the product makers.

703
00:25:02,755 --> 00:25:05,335
Yeah. And that is amazing.

704
00:25:05,875 --> 00:25:06,375
And

705
00:25:06,755 --> 00:25:08,835
it's so it's kind of fun too. It's

706
00:25:08,835 --> 00:25:10,034
like I was joking the other day. It's

707
00:25:10,034 --> 00:25:11,394
like, well, I asked a question, I couldn't

708
00:25:11,394 --> 00:25:13,554
really get them to answer it. But sometimes

709
00:25:13,554 --> 00:25:14,914
it's like, well, I wasn't asking it the

710
00:25:14,914 --> 00:25:17,960
right way. Yeah. Or the terminology is a

711
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:19,480
little different from one side of the table

712
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,320
to the other. Or you ask a question,

713
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,080
you see them go, oh, when you think

714
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,080
about that. Yes. Right? Because they're not out

715
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:26,759
in the field working with the customers as

716
00:25:26,759 --> 00:25:28,759
much as we are. So you just see

717
00:25:28,759 --> 00:25:30,619
this massive collaboration

718
00:25:31,474 --> 00:25:32,134
happening real time.

719
00:25:33,154 --> 00:25:34,115
100%.

720
00:25:34,115 --> 00:25:36,115
So good. And then sometimes they truly just

721
00:25:36,115 --> 00:25:37,515
have no idea. I've been in a few

722
00:25:37,515 --> 00:25:39,315
of those where it's like, what about this

723
00:25:39,315 --> 00:25:39,974
or this?

724
00:25:40,355 --> 00:25:42,775
And I don't know. We don't know yet.

725
00:25:42,994 --> 00:25:45,130
And that's fair, especially as fast as things

726
00:25:45,130 --> 00:25:47,049
change now. It is. And I think from

727
00:25:47,049 --> 00:25:50,009
a consultant perspective, that honesty feels good because

728
00:25:50,009 --> 00:25:52,250
that's what I hope we bring to our

729
00:25:52,250 --> 00:25:53,869
clients too is

730
00:25:54,170 --> 00:25:56,170
I should not be making up answers to

731
00:25:56,170 --> 00:25:59,375
my clients, and I appreciate not having answers

732
00:25:59,434 --> 00:26:01,355
made up to me. Like, just I don't

733
00:26:01,355 --> 00:26:03,615
know is a perfectly valid answer.

734
00:26:04,154 --> 00:26:06,954
And it's the right answer because and this

735
00:26:06,954 --> 00:26:08,234
was a piece of advice given to me

736
00:26:08,234 --> 00:26:09,774
in my early consulting days.

737
00:26:10,234 --> 00:26:12,269
Some of us tend to have some overachieving

738
00:26:12,570 --> 00:26:14,570
tendencies and we just feel like if we

739
00:26:14,570 --> 00:26:16,009
don't immediately know what to do, when to

740
00:26:16,009 --> 00:26:17,369
do it and do it right all the

741
00:26:17,369 --> 00:26:20,730
time, we're failing. Right? But my mentor pulled

742
00:26:20,730 --> 00:26:22,730
me aside and said, your job is not

743
00:26:22,730 --> 00:26:23,630
to know everything.

744
00:26:24,009 --> 00:26:26,404
Your job is to figure it out. So

745
00:26:27,105 --> 00:26:28,625
or find someone who knows to help you

746
00:26:28,625 --> 00:26:30,384
figure it out. Yeah. He said, so stop

747
00:26:30,384 --> 00:26:32,144
putting so much pressure on yourself. If you

748
00:26:32,144 --> 00:26:34,144
don't know the answer, you are allowed to

749
00:26:34,144 --> 00:26:36,225
gracefully say, I don't know, but I will

750
00:26:36,225 --> 00:26:37,744
find out. He said, then go figure it

751
00:26:37,744 --> 00:26:40,000
out. Yeah. That's the job. Right.

752
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781
00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:04,240
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782
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783
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784
00:28:07,759 --> 00:28:09,119
said this is fun. We get to see

785
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:10,960
all of our family. I've gone out for

786
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,005
dinner a couple nights. We come home. You

787
00:28:13,005 --> 00:28:14,845
said this to me the other day. I

788
00:28:14,845 --> 00:28:17,085
said it when I got home back from

789
00:28:17,085 --> 00:28:18,785
dinner last night is

790
00:28:19,164 --> 00:28:19,664
because

791
00:28:20,125 --> 00:28:21,884
we do really just feel like it's a

792
00:28:21,884 --> 00:28:23,884
big family. You get back from dinner, and

793
00:28:23,884 --> 00:28:25,484
you're like, I'm gonna walk into the hotel.

794
00:28:25,484 --> 00:28:27,500
There are a lot of us staying at

795
00:28:27,500 --> 00:28:28,519
the same hotel.

796
00:28:28,820 --> 00:28:30,580
And last night, I walked in and I'm

797
00:28:30,580 --> 00:28:32,420
like, I don't wanna really make eye contact

798
00:28:32,420 --> 00:28:34,900
with anybody because I'm tired and I wanna

799
00:28:34,900 --> 00:28:36,420
go back to my room. But at the

800
00:28:36,420 --> 00:28:37,940
same time, I'm like, I kinda wanna see

801
00:28:37,940 --> 00:28:39,460
who's down there because it's the last night

802
00:28:39,460 --> 00:28:41,035
to hang out. And you did it the

803
00:28:41,035 --> 00:28:43,035
other night. I had gone out to dinner.

804
00:28:43,035 --> 00:28:44,955
I came back. You were out at another

805
00:28:44,955 --> 00:28:47,835
event, and I was down at the bar

806
00:28:47,835 --> 00:28:50,474
there. And Uh-huh. You looked over and you're

807
00:28:50,474 --> 00:28:51,994
like That was what you did. Because if

808
00:28:51,994 --> 00:28:53,700
you've never seen him stand up, he's

809
00:28:54,099 --> 00:28:56,740
tall. He's so tall. Yes. I was standing

810
00:28:56,740 --> 00:28:58,500
up and you saw me, and I was

811
00:28:58,500 --> 00:28:59,779
about to go back to my it was

812
00:28:59,779 --> 00:29:01,700
11:30 at night. I was about to go

813
00:29:01,700 --> 00:29:03,619
back to my room. I had literally just

814
00:29:03,619 --> 00:29:05,220
said, okay. I'm going back to the room.

815
00:29:05,220 --> 00:29:07,299
I'm going to sleep. I turned around to

816
00:29:07,299 --> 00:29:08,980
walk out, and you walked down the steps,

817
00:29:08,980 --> 00:29:10,845
and I'm like, I'm not going back to

818
00:29:10,845 --> 00:29:11,424
my room.

819
00:29:11,805 --> 00:29:14,285
Well, yeah. Because it yeah. I'd left one

820
00:29:14,285 --> 00:29:16,045
of the one of the various kind of

821
00:29:16,045 --> 00:29:17,345
party meetup things.

822
00:29:17,644 --> 00:29:18,845
And I thought, well, I'll just at least

823
00:29:18,845 --> 00:29:20,445
see who's here. I don't really wanna hang

824
00:29:20,445 --> 00:29:22,340
out because it was late. I'm gonna be

825
00:29:22,340 --> 00:29:24,099
good. I'm gonna be disciplined, and I'm not

826
00:29:24,099 --> 00:29:25,619
gonna be so it's like, well, I see.

827
00:29:25,619 --> 00:29:26,759
But there was Ben

828
00:29:27,140 --> 00:29:29,779
standing up in a very bright blue hoodie,

829
00:29:29,779 --> 00:29:30,900
so it was hard to mix. I was

830
00:29:30,900 --> 00:29:32,420
like, well, crap. I guess I have to

831
00:29:32,420 --> 00:29:34,259
go talk to Ben. So I go down

832
00:29:34,259 --> 00:29:36,019
the stairs and then, like, it was probably

833
00:29:36,019 --> 00:29:37,694
an hour. Yeah. I think it was, like,

834
00:29:37,694 --> 00:29:40,494
12:30 or something. Talking and you're like, I

835
00:29:40,494 --> 00:29:41,795
was gonna go.

836
00:29:42,255 --> 00:29:43,375
You walk down the stairs. I was like,

837
00:29:43,375 --> 00:29:44,654
well, I was gonna go, but you were

838
00:29:44,654 --> 00:29:46,974
standing here. But at the same time, I

839
00:29:46,974 --> 00:29:48,894
don't know that either of us we say

840
00:29:48,894 --> 00:29:50,859
we were gonna go to bed, but it's

841
00:29:50,859 --> 00:29:53,019
so much fun. It's so much fun. And

842
00:29:53,019 --> 00:29:54,619
I was thinking that, like, the other night

843
00:29:54,619 --> 00:29:55,820
when I was getting ready for bed and

844
00:29:55,820 --> 00:29:58,640
everything, I was like, it's it's a interesting

845
00:29:58,779 --> 00:30:00,320
combination of exhausted,

846
00:30:00,940 --> 00:30:03,924
depleted, but so full. Yes. It's like your

847
00:30:03,924 --> 00:30:04,744
your social,

848
00:30:05,365 --> 00:30:08,005
your community, your family cup, oops, gets filled

849
00:30:08,005 --> 00:30:10,325
up, but you're so tired. Like, my husband,

850
00:30:10,325 --> 00:30:11,525
he's like, I'm gonna pick you up at

851
00:30:11,525 --> 00:30:13,765
what time? I was like, 04:30, five. He

852
00:30:13,765 --> 00:30:15,205
said, maybe you wanna go to dinner? I

853
00:30:15,205 --> 00:30:16,859
said, yes. And then I'm gonna go to

854
00:30:16,859 --> 00:30:18,240
bed. And then to bed.

855
00:30:18,779 --> 00:30:20,700
Yeah. And then Vlad I mean, Vlad did

856
00:30:20,700 --> 00:30:21,980
a good job the other night. Like I

857
00:30:21,980 --> 00:30:23,500
said, he came in and he made eye

858
00:30:23,500 --> 00:30:25,660
contact with me, and I yelled something to

859
00:30:25,660 --> 00:30:27,820
him across the hotel lobby. And he blew

860
00:30:27,820 --> 00:30:29,805
me a kiss and turned around and Yeah.

861
00:30:29,965 --> 00:30:31,505
Because it was Vlad. Yes.

862
00:30:31,805 --> 00:30:33,725
Vlad, I have That's disappointing. Things I can

863
00:30:33,725 --> 00:30:35,505
learn from you beyond just SharePoint

864
00:30:35,805 --> 00:30:37,965
is how to get to my room on

865
00:30:37,965 --> 00:30:40,144
time. How does this go? Nope. Yes.

866
00:30:40,684 --> 00:30:42,869
But it is fun. So other people, like,

867
00:30:42,869 --> 00:30:45,509
this is always an interesting conversations. I've done

868
00:30:45,509 --> 00:30:48,329
other interviews at MVP Summit as well is,

869
00:30:48,549 --> 00:30:50,869
like, if people are listening, they're like, oh,

870
00:30:50,869 --> 00:30:52,650
this really sounds like fun.

871
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:55,849
I wanna be there. Obviously, the first requirement

872
00:30:55,910 --> 00:30:57,670
to doing this is being an MVP, but

873
00:30:57,670 --> 00:30:58,275
what was

874
00:30:58,674 --> 00:31:01,795
your journey to being an MVP? Like, how

875
00:31:01,795 --> 00:31:03,095
did you go from

876
00:31:03,555 --> 00:31:06,835
I'm doing consulting, I'm Mhmm. Helping out at

877
00:31:06,835 --> 00:31:07,894
Bucks, now I'm

878
00:31:08,195 --> 00:31:10,295
doing SharePoint consulting to

879
00:31:10,809 --> 00:31:12,430
the MVP. Because I feel everybody's

880
00:31:12,890 --> 00:31:14,970
journey seems to be different. It's a little

881
00:31:14,970 --> 00:31:16,970
different. It it's interesting. Because so that's one

882
00:31:16,970 --> 00:31:18,330
thing to call out. It is different for

883
00:31:18,330 --> 00:31:20,809
everybody because there's no checklist that says do

884
00:31:20,809 --> 00:31:22,650
these 10 things, and you two will be

885
00:31:22,650 --> 00:31:25,529
an MVP. It's not a certification. It's an

886
00:31:25,529 --> 00:31:28,005
award. Yep. I am a communicator,

887
00:31:28,545 --> 00:31:31,904
trainer, teacher, sharer at heart. Right? Like, if

888
00:31:31,904 --> 00:31:33,744
I know something, I want everyone to know

889
00:31:33,744 --> 00:31:34,724
it because it's amazing.

890
00:31:35,505 --> 00:31:37,684
Consulting and I was really interested

891
00:31:38,065 --> 00:31:38,964
way earlier

892
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,240
in trying to figure out what this MVP

893
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,240
thing was and what these what conferences and

894
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:44,440
speaking and all that is. I have a

895
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,759
drama and theater background. Obviously, I mean, you

896
00:31:46,759 --> 00:31:49,000
don't come into IT with anything normal. Right?

897
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,980
So I did. But, apparently, I'm abnormal.

898
00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:54,285
I mean I've been told that multiple times.

899
00:31:54,525 --> 00:31:56,365
My family tells me I'm not normal. I'm

900
00:31:56,365 --> 00:31:58,045
the not normal one in my home, and

901
00:31:58,045 --> 00:32:00,045
I embrace it. But So was that your

902
00:32:00,045 --> 00:32:01,965
educate was you went to school for drama

903
00:32:01,965 --> 00:32:03,244
and theater? I went to school on a

904
00:32:03,244 --> 00:32:06,085
drama and theater scholarship. Okay. Yeah. But then

905
00:32:06,085 --> 00:32:08,029
I became a star for admin, and it

906
00:32:08,029 --> 00:32:10,210
was like Natural career progression.

907
00:32:10,509 --> 00:32:11,490
As one does.

908
00:32:12,349 --> 00:32:14,669
Because I got married very young the first

909
00:32:14,669 --> 00:32:17,149
time around. So that straight, I'm gonna go

910
00:32:17,149 --> 00:32:18,349
to college for four years, I wanna go

911
00:32:18,349 --> 00:32:20,109
get this degree, I knew that didn't happen.

912
00:32:20,109 --> 00:32:21,390
So there was a lot of, like, turn

913
00:32:21,390 --> 00:32:23,250
left, turn right, zigzag, zigzag.

914
00:32:23,765 --> 00:32:25,125
When it was my turn to go through

915
00:32:25,125 --> 00:32:27,045
school, right, because I had to go work

916
00:32:27,045 --> 00:32:27,945
jobs to live,

917
00:32:28,245 --> 00:32:30,164
landed the IT job, and I was like,

918
00:32:30,164 --> 00:32:32,325
do I wanna keep paying for my college

919
00:32:32,325 --> 00:32:34,245
a semester at a time now because I

920
00:32:34,245 --> 00:32:36,265
dropped out of college, did this thing,

921
00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:38,240
or do I wanna invest in learning this

922
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:38,740
technology?

923
00:32:39,119 --> 00:32:41,679
Okay. I chose the technology. I'm so glad

924
00:32:41,679 --> 00:32:42,259
I did.

925
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,359
But the community stuff wasn't encouraged at that

926
00:32:45,359 --> 00:32:47,599
point in my life. So I'm basically living

927
00:32:47,599 --> 00:32:50,079
joy two point o. Okay. So I took

928
00:32:50,079 --> 00:32:52,285
some pivots. Part of that included

929
00:32:52,664 --> 00:32:55,244
relocating from Alabama to Oklahoma.

930
00:32:55,625 --> 00:32:58,125
Okay. So various things happened. My first SharePoint

931
00:32:58,265 --> 00:33:00,105
Saturday was in 2010

932
00:33:00,265 --> 00:33:02,924
Alright. In Dallas at the Microsoft campus.

933
00:33:03,740 --> 00:33:05,019
And it was my first taste of it,

934
00:33:05,019 --> 00:33:06,700
but then I had to, like, reboot. So

935
00:33:06,700 --> 00:33:09,660
things happen and then, oh gosh, eight years.

936
00:33:09,660 --> 00:33:11,259
I can't do math. We're just gonna say

937
00:33:11,259 --> 00:33:13,200
at some point later, years later,

938
00:33:13,820 --> 00:33:15,914
someone approached me and said, hey, there's a

939
00:33:15,914 --> 00:33:16,815
SharePoint Saturday

940
00:33:17,355 --> 00:33:19,275
happening in Atlanta. They need speakers. I think

941
00:33:19,275 --> 00:33:21,035
you should do this. And it had been

942
00:33:21,035 --> 00:33:22,715
a couple of years, a few years in

943
00:33:22,715 --> 00:33:24,875
between 2010 and that. It's like, okay. So

944
00:33:24,875 --> 00:33:26,955
I just started speaking because I I love

945
00:33:26,955 --> 00:33:28,235
to be on the stage. I love to

946
00:33:28,235 --> 00:33:30,549
share. I love to teach. Social media,

947
00:33:31,009 --> 00:33:33,890
speaking, the occasional blogs here and there, writing

948
00:33:33,890 --> 00:33:36,289
articles if somebody asks, consulting and things like

949
00:33:36,289 --> 00:33:38,450
that. Okay. But then in 2019, there was

950
00:33:38,450 --> 00:33:40,849
an MVP dinner, and Joel Olsen asked me

951
00:33:40,849 --> 00:33:43,075
where I was gonna go. Oh. Was like,

952
00:33:43,075 --> 00:33:45,315
no. Was this like after a conference where

953
00:33:45,315 --> 00:33:47,235
it was a bunch of MVPs going out

954
00:33:47,235 --> 00:33:48,775
for dinner? Or six five

955
00:33:49,634 --> 00:33:51,414
Friday or Saturday, San Diego.

956
00:33:51,715 --> 00:33:53,634
Okay. Right? Yep. Joel's like, are you gonna

957
00:33:53,634 --> 00:33:54,674
come to the dinner? I was like, no.

958
00:33:54,674 --> 00:33:55,634
He's like, why not? He's like, well, I'm

959
00:33:55,634 --> 00:33:57,589
not an MVP. He's like, you're not? I

960
00:33:57,589 --> 00:33:59,990
was like, no. He's like, you need to

961
00:33:59,990 --> 00:34:01,690
fix that. I'm like, okay.

962
00:34:02,470 --> 00:34:02,970
So

963
00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:06,089
I talked with him, Rob Windsor, wonderful,

964
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:08,389
good mentor. Thank you, Rob. I love Rob.

965
00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:10,469
He's the best laugh in the industry too.

966
00:34:10,469 --> 00:34:12,644
Yes. Rob, we love you so much, man.

967
00:34:12,885 --> 00:34:14,344
But I had some mentorship.

968
00:34:14,644 --> 00:34:16,244
Time was right. I was told, yep, you're

969
00:34:16,244 --> 00:34:17,784
good to go. And

970
00:34:18,164 --> 00:34:20,485
my application was approved. Did you get it

971
00:34:20,485 --> 00:34:22,265
the first time? Yeah. Congratulations.

972
00:34:22,965 --> 00:34:23,784
Oh, thank you.

973
00:34:24,324 --> 00:34:26,585
But I I had some very wise counsel,

974
00:34:26,829 --> 00:34:28,190
right, of, like, wait. Because there was a

975
00:34:28,190 --> 00:34:30,030
few moments, like, am I ready now? No.

976
00:34:30,030 --> 00:34:32,909
Wait. Yeah. Wait. But yeah. And it's been

977
00:34:32,909 --> 00:34:34,349
amazing. Some people are like, what did you

978
00:34:34,349 --> 00:34:35,549
do to get it? It's like, I talk

979
00:34:35,549 --> 00:34:36,210
too much.

980
00:34:37,389 --> 00:34:39,885
That's what I do. I don't. Well, it's

981
00:34:39,885 --> 00:34:40,385
interesting

982
00:34:41,164 --> 00:34:42,305
comparing your

983
00:34:42,684 --> 00:34:45,085
story how you got there to mine because

984
00:34:45,085 --> 00:34:47,585
I had several similar experiences

985
00:34:47,965 --> 00:34:49,105
where I would go

986
00:34:49,485 --> 00:34:51,744
speak at a conference or I'd go do

987
00:34:52,089 --> 00:34:52,589
something.

988
00:34:53,289 --> 00:34:55,309
And there was one in particular I remember.

989
00:34:55,369 --> 00:34:57,309
I think it was I was talking to

990
00:34:57,449 --> 00:34:58,349
Stephen Rose.

991
00:34:58,650 --> 00:35:01,130
Another guy, everyone. He's in? Stephen. Yeah. Again,

992
00:35:01,130 --> 00:35:03,690
we're all just one big happy, lovable family.

993
00:35:03,690 --> 00:35:05,295
The best. And it was at a conference,

994
00:35:05,295 --> 00:35:07,695
and he's like we were saying, bye. See

995
00:35:07,695 --> 00:35:08,894
you later. He's like, I'll see you in

996
00:35:08,894 --> 00:35:11,054
March. I'm like, what's in March? What's in

997
00:35:11,054 --> 00:35:13,474
March? In March? MVP Summit. And, like,

998
00:35:14,335 --> 00:35:15,635
I'm not an MVP.

999
00:35:16,014 --> 00:35:16,574
And he

1000
00:35:17,454 --> 00:35:19,315
same response. You're not an MVP?

1001
00:35:19,710 --> 00:35:22,590
And I had that response from multiple people

1002
00:35:22,590 --> 00:35:25,250
at different events, but I think what that

1003
00:35:25,309 --> 00:35:28,849
illustrates is that it's not something you

1004
00:35:29,389 --> 00:35:32,050
get that checklist to. Most MVPs are MVPs

1005
00:35:32,109 --> 00:35:34,109
because we love what we're doing to the

1006
00:35:34,109 --> 00:35:34,994
point that

1007
00:35:35,315 --> 00:35:37,175
people are surprised we're not MVPs

1008
00:35:38,355 --> 00:35:41,474
because you're already doing the MVP stuff. You

1009
00:35:41,474 --> 00:35:43,954
love doing the MVP stuff. Yes. So you're

1010
00:35:43,954 --> 00:35:45,735
doing it to the extent

1011
00:35:46,115 --> 00:35:48,215
that people are surprised you're not MVPs.

1012
00:35:48,595 --> 00:35:51,179
Right. And then it just happens.

1013
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,239
I would say my number one thing about

1014
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,320
the whole program is if you approach it

1015
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:56,599
from what do I have to do to

1016
00:35:56,599 --> 00:35:59,079
be an MVP, don't proceed. If that's the

1017
00:35:59,079 --> 00:36:01,559
mindset, don't proceed because it's not what you

1018
00:36:01,559 --> 00:36:03,414
do for your job. It's not your nine

1019
00:36:03,414 --> 00:36:05,434
to five. In fact, it's your everything

1020
00:36:05,734 --> 00:36:07,815
that happens Outside of your nine to five.

1021
00:36:07,974 --> 00:36:08,875
Nine to five.

1022
00:36:09,335 --> 00:36:10,694
It's a lot of meetings, it's a lot

1023
00:36:10,694 --> 00:36:12,614
of calls, it's a lot of work, but

1024
00:36:12,614 --> 00:36:14,454
it's the kind of thing like if I

1025
00:36:14,454 --> 00:36:16,534
found out tomorrow we decided, Joy, you're not

1026
00:36:16,534 --> 00:36:18,690
part of the MVP program anymore, it would

1027
00:36:18,690 --> 00:36:20,769
not change what I do. Right. Because I

1028
00:36:20,769 --> 00:36:23,250
didn't do these things to get it. I

1029
00:36:23,250 --> 00:36:25,889
love the technology. I love the product. I

1030
00:36:25,889 --> 00:36:27,429
love helping people

1031
00:36:27,889 --> 00:36:30,764
have a better experience at work, and we're

1032
00:36:30,764 --> 00:36:32,924
at work so much. Right? The technology needs

1033
00:36:32,924 --> 00:36:34,525
to work. That's what we do. Right? We

1034
00:36:34,525 --> 00:36:36,605
make it work. Right. And we love going

1035
00:36:36,605 --> 00:36:37,264
to conferences

1036
00:36:37,724 --> 00:36:40,065
and hanging out and With friends.

1037
00:36:40,605 --> 00:36:43,085
The podcast, doing this. Like, this was one

1038
00:36:43,085 --> 00:36:45,469
of the things that I think helped with

1039
00:36:45,469 --> 00:36:47,630
my MVP. Sure. But I had done the

1040
00:36:47,630 --> 00:36:50,289
podcast, what, I think I said four years.

1041
00:36:50,589 --> 00:36:51,489
This is year

1042
00:36:52,269 --> 00:36:53,969
nine of the podcast.

1043
00:36:54,269 --> 00:36:54,769
Congratulations.

1044
00:36:55,309 --> 00:36:57,869
Thanks. But it illustrates that point. I did

1045
00:36:57,869 --> 00:37:00,155
this for five years. Before there was an

1046
00:37:00,155 --> 00:37:02,875
acronym. Before there was an acronym Yeah. Yeah.

1047
00:37:03,034 --> 00:37:05,434
By my name for doing that, for speaking

1048
00:37:05,434 --> 00:37:07,614
at conferences. My first conference was

1049
00:37:08,074 --> 00:37:09,295
2009,

1050
00:37:10,394 --> 00:37:11,614
2010,

1051
00:37:11,994 --> 00:37:15,050
something like that. Yep. Yeah. So it is.

1052
00:37:15,050 --> 00:37:17,230
It's not something and there were times

1053
00:37:17,610 --> 00:37:19,289
it was a mix for me. There were

1054
00:37:19,289 --> 00:37:21,710
times where I actually I legitimately got frustrated

1055
00:37:21,929 --> 00:37:23,610
because I've done all these conferences and everybody's

1056
00:37:23,610 --> 00:37:25,849
like, you're not an MVP? I'm like, no.

1057
00:37:25,849 --> 00:37:26,954
What am I doing wrong?

1058
00:37:27,434 --> 00:37:29,434
Yeah. Yeah. And I did not have the

1059
00:37:29,434 --> 00:37:32,315
experience of my first nomination getting it. It

1060
00:37:32,315 --> 00:37:34,335
took me, like, two or

1061
00:37:34,715 --> 00:37:35,215
three.

1062
00:37:35,755 --> 00:37:36,735
Okay. Okay.

1063
00:37:37,914 --> 00:37:39,630
No. You haven't done enough. And I'm like,

1064
00:37:39,630 --> 00:37:41,710
I What more can I do? Right? Like,

1065
00:37:41,710 --> 00:37:42,989
what more can I do? And it's not

1066
00:37:42,989 --> 00:37:44,509
that it was again, it wasn't like there

1067
00:37:44,509 --> 00:37:45,949
was a checklist, but it was like It's

1068
00:37:45,949 --> 00:37:47,569
not. I don't know.

1069
00:37:47,949 --> 00:37:49,949
I'm doing enough that everybody thinks I'm an

1070
00:37:49,949 --> 00:37:50,449
MVP

1071
00:37:50,750 --> 00:37:52,670
except for the people that are approving the

1072
00:37:52,670 --> 00:37:54,769
MVP. I think that's where my

1073
00:37:55,574 --> 00:37:57,355
frustration was coming from was

1074
00:37:57,655 --> 00:37:59,974
all these people are like right. All these

1075
00:37:59,974 --> 00:38:01,414
people are like, why aren't you an MVP?

1076
00:38:01,414 --> 00:38:02,775
Why aren't you an MVP? I'm like I

1077
00:38:02,775 --> 00:38:05,494
don't. I don't really know because you all

1078
00:38:05,494 --> 00:38:07,655
think I should be. Apparently, there's somebody over

1079
00:38:07,655 --> 00:38:10,315
here that doesn't think I do enough, and

1080
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,800
it's I still kept doing it because I

1081
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,519
loved doing it, and eventually it happened. And

1082
00:38:15,519 --> 00:38:17,199
that's the thing. We do what we do

1083
00:38:17,199 --> 00:38:19,599
because we just love it. And I joke

1084
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:21,440
all the time. My husband thinks I'm the

1085
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,280
not normal one. I say all the time,

1086
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,664
I could win the lottery tomorrow, like, the

1087
00:38:25,664 --> 00:38:27,425
lottery, and I would buy a home in

1088
00:38:27,425 --> 00:38:27,925
Bora.

1089
00:38:29,184 --> 00:38:29,684
But

1090
00:38:30,065 --> 00:38:32,485
I would do the fun stuff for free.

1091
00:38:32,545 --> 00:38:35,045
A 100%. 100%. It would be John White.

1092
00:38:35,184 --> 00:38:36,945
Yeah. Right? I Are you saying John White

1093
00:38:36,945 --> 00:38:37,765
won the millionaire?

1094
00:38:38,144 --> 00:38:40,625
No. But I just He's another good guy.

1095
00:38:40,625 --> 00:38:43,239
Right? So he supposedly retired, I thought, but

1096
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,239
he says a free conference. Yeah. No. I

1097
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,480
don't know. No. He's not. I'm not even

1098
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:47,980
retiring.

1099
00:38:48,359 --> 00:38:50,059
No. You know what? Do it for fun.

1100
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I won't speak for you. I'm gonna get

1124
00:39:55,034 --> 00:39:56,574
old and I'm not gonna be remember

1125
00:39:57,114 --> 00:39:59,434
stuff, and already I'm like, I'm tired. I

1126
00:39:59,434 --> 00:40:01,675
can't keep up with all this change. Thanks.

1127
00:40:01,675 --> 00:40:02,734
Like yeah.

1128
00:40:03,994 --> 00:40:06,974
This gen whatever? It was there's an MVP.

1129
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,199
Another MVP story. I was at a conference

1130
00:40:10,199 --> 00:40:10,699
recently,

1131
00:40:11,079 --> 00:40:13,500
and we were all sitting down and chatting,

1132
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:14,539
and there was

1133
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,119
another m b a new MVP there. And

1134
00:40:18,119 --> 00:40:19,900
it came out that this individual

1135
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,019
was born in 2001.

1136
00:40:23,445 --> 00:40:24,704
Ouch. I

1137
00:40:25,045 --> 00:40:26,825
we yeah. Like,

1138
00:40:27,844 --> 00:40:30,485
now I don't feel like I'm so young

1139
00:40:30,485 --> 00:40:31,704
anymore because

1140
00:40:32,085 --> 00:40:33,684
Yes. That reminds me I need to go

1141
00:40:33,684 --> 00:40:35,610
get a bone density test soon, probably.

1142
00:40:36,010 --> 00:40:37,930
Oh. Because we're just so old now. These

1143
00:40:37,930 --> 00:40:40,510
young kids. These young whippersnappers.

1144
00:40:42,570 --> 00:40:44,970
No. It was funny because earlier in that

1145
00:40:44,970 --> 00:40:47,630
week too, someone had made a reference to

1146
00:40:48,170 --> 00:40:49,789
a movie, to The Matrix.

1147
00:40:50,375 --> 00:40:52,295
And in that session, it was like, if

1148
00:40:52,295 --> 00:40:54,135
you haven't seen The Matrix and you're in

1149
00:40:54,135 --> 00:40:55,734
IT, and I've looked, I'm like, wait. Where

1150
00:40:55,734 --> 00:40:57,255
did that come out? That came out two

1151
00:40:57,255 --> 00:40:59,655
years before this individual was born. It was

1152
00:40:59,655 --> 00:41:01,974
99. And I'm like, oh, now we're really

1153
00:41:01,974 --> 00:41:04,139
old. We're referencing movies and saying every IT

1154
00:41:04,139 --> 00:41:05,819
person should watch it, but there are IT

1155
00:41:05,819 --> 00:41:08,079
people that were born They were toddlers.

1156
00:41:08,539 --> 00:41:10,480
Years after this movie was released.

1157
00:41:11,099 --> 00:41:13,900
Well, I'll say this. Like, okay. Yes. The

1158
00:41:13,900 --> 00:41:15,760
Matrix. I mean, it's so relevant,

1159
00:41:16,155 --> 00:41:18,894
especially now, right, with all with the AI.

1160
00:41:18,954 --> 00:41:21,675
Right? We were yeah. The Office Space. We

1161
00:41:21,675 --> 00:41:23,515
were talking we the other day, I was

1162
00:41:23,515 --> 00:41:25,275
talking to different TV shows and movies that

1163
00:41:25,275 --> 00:41:27,594
are really funny to go watch now that

1164
00:41:27,594 --> 00:41:29,319
came out years and years ago. But, yes,

1165
00:41:29,319 --> 00:41:31,400
you're matrixing the Office space is one, and

1166
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:32,519
I probably haven't seen it in three or

1167
00:41:32,519 --> 00:41:33,799
four years now. I need to go with

1168
00:41:33,799 --> 00:41:35,079
your ride. Now we're gonna go watch it,

1169
00:41:35,079 --> 00:41:36,519
like, on the plane. It's not on is

1170
00:41:36,519 --> 00:41:38,280
it on the plane? I don't know. I

1171
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:39,739
don't think my airline

1172
00:41:40,199 --> 00:41:43,385
that flies direct to Tulsa and Seattle has

1173
00:41:43,385 --> 00:41:44,364
seatback entertainment,

1174
00:41:44,744 --> 00:41:46,664
but I maybe I should. I've got that

1175
00:41:46,664 --> 00:41:47,864
little thing where I can clip my phone

1176
00:41:47,864 --> 00:41:49,385
to the back of the seat. Okay. Right?

1177
00:41:49,385 --> 00:41:50,844
Thanks, Jay, for that recommendation.

1178
00:41:51,144 --> 00:41:52,985
Yep. So, yeah, I should download that, and

1179
00:41:52,985 --> 00:41:54,744
I'll watch it on my if I don't

1180
00:41:54,744 --> 00:41:56,210
just conk out.

1181
00:41:57,150 --> 00:41:59,389
I'm so tired. It has been so fun.

1182
00:41:59,389 --> 00:42:00,829
Yeah. I'm taking a red eye home. I

1183
00:42:00,829 --> 00:42:02,210
will absolutely conk out.

1184
00:42:02,750 --> 00:42:04,369
I don't I try not to do those.

1185
00:42:04,590 --> 00:42:06,670
I going all the way to the East

1186
00:42:06,670 --> 00:42:09,864
Coast from Seattle, it's a five hour flight

1187
00:42:09,864 --> 00:42:12,364
to Atlanta Mhmm. An hour flight to Jacksonville,

1188
00:42:12,664 --> 00:42:14,744
a three hour time change. And then you

1189
00:42:14,744 --> 00:42:16,184
have to fit a layover in there too,

1190
00:42:16,184 --> 00:42:18,105
so it's like five, seven. It's like a

1191
00:42:18,105 --> 00:42:20,429
ten day. It's a difference of ten hours.

1192
00:42:20,510 --> 00:42:21,789
Yeah. If I don't take the red eye

1193
00:42:21,789 --> 00:42:23,650
on Fridays, I feel like I miss

1194
00:42:24,030 --> 00:42:25,630
the weekend with my family. Because I do

1195
00:42:25,630 --> 00:42:27,150
have the four kids. They, like, see me

1196
00:42:27,150 --> 00:42:29,309
on the weekend. Props for that. Like, okay.

1197
00:42:29,309 --> 00:42:30,510
I can take the red eye. Can you

1198
00:42:30,510 --> 00:42:32,849
sleep on a plane? An okay. So here's

1199
00:42:33,025 --> 00:42:34,864
the other aspect of it. I kinda like,

1200
00:42:34,864 --> 00:42:37,184
I can sleep. I don't sleep great. Yeah.

1201
00:42:37,184 --> 00:42:38,405
I sleep enough

1202
00:42:38,704 --> 00:42:40,945
that I can get through I'll get through

1203
00:42:40,945 --> 00:42:43,264
the day tomorrow without taking a nap. Yeah.

1204
00:42:43,264 --> 00:42:46,250
I'll be dead tired though by, like, 10PM.

1205
00:42:46,250 --> 00:42:48,589
So I can actually fall asleep

1206
00:42:48,969 --> 00:42:51,609
Okay. At a normal time for eastern time

1207
00:42:51,609 --> 00:42:53,449
zone. Force yourself to adjust. Right. And force

1208
00:42:53,449 --> 00:42:56,089
myself to adjust rather quickly instead of if

1209
00:42:56,089 --> 00:42:58,570
I left tomorrow morning after a full night's

1210
00:42:58,570 --> 00:43:00,489
sleep, I would not be tired tomorrow night

1211
00:43:00,489 --> 00:43:02,184
till, like, 3AM.

1212
00:43:02,184 --> 00:43:04,264
Got you. So I respect it. There are

1213
00:43:04,425 --> 00:43:05,164
it it's

1214
00:43:05,545 --> 00:43:07,724
rough, but it does help with that adjustment.

1215
00:43:07,944 --> 00:43:09,704
So Yeah. I used to have the deal

1216
00:43:09,704 --> 00:43:11,944
with going from Seattle to Atlanta then back

1217
00:43:11,944 --> 00:43:14,609
to Tulsa, but thank you for Alaska Air

1218
00:43:14,609 --> 00:43:16,929
for having direct now from Tulsa to Seattle

1219
00:43:16,929 --> 00:43:19,409
and back. That is a quality of life

1220
00:43:19,409 --> 00:43:20,789
improvement for me. Nice.

1221
00:43:21,250 --> 00:43:22,929
Yeah. Yeah. See if they wanna sponsor the

1222
00:43:22,929 --> 00:43:25,989
podcast. Alaska Airlines? Yes. We appreciate you,

1223
00:43:28,085 --> 00:43:30,484
That would be interesting. Swag. I'm shameless. You're

1224
00:43:30,484 --> 00:43:32,264
shameless in your promotion of everybody.

1225
00:43:32,644 --> 00:43:34,964
Alright. With that, we've been talking for, like,

1226
00:43:34,964 --> 00:43:37,045
forty five minutes. It's what we do. It

1227
00:43:37,045 --> 00:43:39,125
is what we do. The I think you

1228
00:43:39,125 --> 00:43:40,804
made this comment the other day. Somebody asked

1229
00:43:40,804 --> 00:43:42,244
if we could talk for twenty minutes. You're

1230
00:43:42,244 --> 00:43:44,760
like, we're consult. We can talk about absolutely

1231
00:43:44,819 --> 00:43:47,460
nothing for twenty minutes. Twenty minutes? Yeah. And

1232
00:43:47,460 --> 00:43:48,519
make it seem like

1233
00:43:49,059 --> 00:43:51,460
Let me show you. But we have there

1234
00:43:51,460 --> 00:43:53,380
is a little bit more of a session

1235
00:43:53,380 --> 00:43:55,380
we could go to, and our listeners might

1236
00:43:55,380 --> 00:43:57,114
want to yeah. Yeah. You might have other

1237
00:43:57,114 --> 00:43:58,635
things to do. They might have other things

1238
00:43:58,635 --> 00:44:00,394
to do. There was something else I was

1239
00:44:00,394 --> 00:44:02,235
gonna say, oh, we would get kicked out

1240
00:44:02,235 --> 00:44:03,515
of here if we keep talking too long

1241
00:44:03,515 --> 00:44:05,515
because there's someone else returning a podcast after

1242
00:44:05,515 --> 00:44:08,015
us. Unless that door locks. Does it? Yeah.

1243
00:44:08,355 --> 00:44:08,855
I

1244
00:44:09,195 --> 00:44:10,635
feel like that might be the end of

1245
00:44:10,635 --> 00:44:13,329
our MVP status when we lock ourselves in

1246
00:44:13,329 --> 00:44:15,170
the studio. Why did you lose your status?

1247
00:44:15,170 --> 00:44:17,909
Well, we barricaded ourselves in the recording studio.

1248
00:44:18,449 --> 00:44:21,650
Yeah. Oh my. Alright. Awesome. Well, thank you.

1249
00:44:21,650 --> 00:44:23,650
You're welcome. Thanks for coming on. It's been

1250
00:44:23,650 --> 00:44:26,755
fun. Scott, you missed out. Sorry. You triple

1251
00:44:26,755 --> 00:44:29,474
booked yourself today. Yeah. Maybe you should learn

1252
00:44:29,474 --> 00:44:31,014
how to use a calendar in Outlook.

1253
00:44:31,954 --> 00:44:33,014
Do we have the technology?

1254
00:44:33,315 --> 00:44:35,235
We do. Like, there are ways to make

1255
00:44:35,235 --> 00:44:37,655
sure you don't triple book yourself. Pretty soon,

1256
00:44:37,715 --> 00:44:39,030
AI will make sure we don't.

1257
00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:41,269
I don't know that I'm ready for that,

1258
00:44:41,269 --> 00:44:43,190
to be honest. Don't know. Because I don't

1259
00:44:43,190 --> 00:44:45,349
know that it'll depend on how smart AI

1260
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:47,590
is because I very much will get triple

1261
00:44:47,590 --> 00:44:49,909
booked, and there is quite a process I

1262
00:44:49,909 --> 00:44:50,969
go through to decide

1263
00:44:51,394 --> 00:44:53,155
which the one. Of the one I'm gonna

1264
00:44:53,155 --> 00:44:55,394
keep because it is not always the first

1265
00:44:55,394 --> 00:44:57,875
one in. Agree. It could be how easy

1266
00:44:57,875 --> 00:44:59,894
one is to reschedule versus another,

1267
00:45:00,434 --> 00:45:02,855
deadlines that AI may not know anything about.

1268
00:45:03,074 --> 00:45:03,574
Yeah.

1269
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,519
Yeah. But it should because it's all on

1270
00:45:05,519 --> 00:45:07,920
the graph. Are my deadlines on the graph,

1271
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:09,920
or are they in my head? That's a

1272
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,340
you problem. That is a me problem. Thanks.

1273
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,039
I have lots of me problems. Y'all do.

1274
00:45:15,039 --> 00:45:17,735
But Okay. Yes. With that, thank you again

1275
00:45:17,735 --> 00:45:20,775
for My pleasure. Joining me last minute due

1276
00:45:20,775 --> 00:45:21,515
to Scott's

1277
00:45:21,894 --> 00:45:22,635
faux pas.

1278
00:45:22,934 --> 00:45:25,574
Yeah. Thanks, Scott. It was fun. So good.

1279
00:45:25,574 --> 00:45:28,695
Yes. Enjoy. Safe flight home. Same to you.

1280
00:45:28,695 --> 00:45:31,559
We'll see you in April. Right? Orlando? Are

1281
00:45:31,559 --> 00:45:33,575
you coming to Orlando? You be determined. TBD.

1282
00:45:33,575 --> 00:45:35,843
I found out yesterday there's a 20% chance

1283
00:45:35,843 --> 00:45:37,858
I might get drop shipped there. Okay. In

1284
00:45:37,858 --> 00:45:39,874
a cardboard box? Like, would you really get

1285
00:45:39,874 --> 00:45:41,889
shipped in a cardboard box with little air

1286
00:45:41,889 --> 00:45:44,157
holes in it? And If they put a

1287
00:45:44,157 --> 00:45:46,172
mattress and I could lay down and just,

1288
00:45:46,172 --> 00:45:47,945
like, conk out, yeah, I would be down

1289
00:45:47,945 --> 00:45:49,785
for that. That's probably better Right. So where

1290
00:45:49,785 --> 00:45:51,385
are you gonna be if people do want

1291
00:45:51,385 --> 00:45:51,625
to

1292
00:45:52,184 --> 00:45:54,505
yeah. If people wanna go find you or

1293
00:45:54,505 --> 00:45:56,585
see you in person or you're on so

1294
00:45:56,585 --> 00:45:58,425
where's your social media of choice? Is it

1295
00:45:58,425 --> 00:46:01,329
LinkedIn? It's pretty much LinkedIn these days. That

1296
00:46:01,329 --> 00:46:03,809
is Sure. That's where we've done. So, yes,

1297
00:46:03,809 --> 00:46:05,570
they can go find you on LinkedIn or

1298
00:46:05,570 --> 00:46:07,489
what conferences do you have coming up? I'm

1299
00:46:07,489 --> 00:46:09,329
gonna be at Comms v Next in Denver.

1300
00:46:09,329 --> 00:46:10,929
If you've never checked that out, do it.

1301
00:46:10,929 --> 00:46:11,969
Do it. Do it. If you have a

1302
00:46:11,969 --> 00:46:14,994
passion for unified communications and or collaboration, they

1303
00:46:14,994 --> 00:46:16,934
will have you covered. So that's

1304
00:46:17,315 --> 00:46:19,974
a May,

1305
00:46:20,355 --> 00:46:22,355
I think. That sounds right. I'm not gonna

1306
00:46:22,355 --> 00:46:23,875
be there, but those dates sound right. It

1307
00:46:23,875 --> 00:46:25,074
should be there. I have been told I

1308
00:46:25,074 --> 00:46:26,515
need to go there. Every year, I end

1309
00:46:26,515 --> 00:46:27,494
up with so much

1310
00:46:27,954 --> 00:46:29,849
that time of year, and it hasn't worked

1311
00:46:29,849 --> 00:46:31,369
out. But I don't have a worry. See,

1312
00:46:31,369 --> 00:46:32,969
I'll make you do it next year. I'm

1313
00:46:32,969 --> 00:46:34,429
also gonna be at TechCon

1314
00:46:34,730 --> 00:46:36,429
three six five in Chicago

1315
00:46:36,730 --> 00:46:39,529
in June. Okay. Tech mentor back here in

1316
00:46:39,529 --> 00:46:40,670
Seattle in August.

1317
00:46:40,969 --> 00:46:41,469
Alright.

1318
00:46:41,795 --> 00:46:44,994
Maybe Techcom three six five Seattle also in

1319
00:46:44,994 --> 00:46:47,075
August. I just can't remember if they've started

1320
00:46:47,075 --> 00:46:48,914
accepting or if I could have accepted. Not

1321
00:46:48,914 --> 00:46:50,755
started accepting. I do know that because I

1322
00:46:50,755 --> 00:46:52,515
submitted for that one, and I talked to

1323
00:46:52,515 --> 00:46:54,914
people that said Okay. They have not started

1324
00:46:55,235 --> 00:46:57,980
Okay. Accepting yet. Cool. So you have not

1325
00:46:57,980 --> 00:46:58,719
been rejected.

1326
00:46:59,019 --> 00:47:00,780
Yes. I hope it's still alive. Right? That's

1327
00:47:00,780 --> 00:47:03,739
always I wish yeah. Anyways, side topic. Yeah.

1328
00:47:03,739 --> 00:47:07,119
That one. Ignite, maybe. Two big meetings. Okay.

1329
00:47:07,179 --> 00:47:07,679
November.

1330
00:47:08,139 --> 00:47:09,599
And Sandy Branson.

1331
00:47:10,025 --> 00:47:11,545
I'm gonna be yep. I'm gonna be in

1332
00:47:11,545 --> 00:47:14,605
Branson. September. Yes. Yes. Early September.

1333
00:47:14,905 --> 00:47:17,305
Early September. So, yeah, we're gonna be everywhere.

1334
00:47:17,305 --> 00:47:18,605
I might even be at ESPC.

1335
00:47:19,144 --> 00:47:21,385
Oh, that one's coming up soon. Right? Since

1336
00:47:21,385 --> 00:47:23,144
it Or as soon as that one? You'll

1337
00:47:23,144 --> 00:47:24,684
leave the weekend of Thanksgiving.

1338
00:47:25,065 --> 00:47:26,539
Okay. That one's November.

1339
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,559
Mhmm. Late November. Alright. That's right. Because that

1340
00:47:29,559 --> 00:47:31,480
one's right by night. Yeah. Like, there are

1341
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,400
people that, like, go from Which is why

1342
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:34,219
I did it last

1343
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,760
year, I think. I don't know. Okay. It

1344
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:38,440
would just, like if my calendar says to

1345
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:39,719
be there, I book a flight and I

1346
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:41,765
go. Got it. It's kinda how my world

1347
00:47:41,765 --> 00:47:44,244
works. Perfect. Alright. So, yes, if you wanna

1348
00:47:44,244 --> 00:47:45,845
go connect with Joy, find Joy. I would

1349
00:47:45,845 --> 00:47:47,605
say the other thing, some people say, I

1350
00:47:47,605 --> 00:47:49,364
felt this before I was an MVP. I

1351
00:47:49,364 --> 00:47:51,684
was I'm an introvert. I am not one

1352
00:47:51,684 --> 00:47:54,005
to, like, go up and talk to I

1353
00:47:54,005 --> 00:47:56,539
was always like, oh, they're speakers, they're MVPs.

1354
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:58,380
I was intimidated.

1355
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,579
Yeah. I get that. Don't be intimidated. No.

1356
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,119
Yes. Come, like this, I would say, is

1357
00:48:04,119 --> 00:48:06,680
another good thing about if you think this

1358
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:08,280
is something you'd wanna do, one, let's do

1359
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,214
what you love, but come talk to us.

1360
00:48:10,214 --> 00:48:11,114
Like, MVPs,

1361
00:48:11,574 --> 00:48:14,375
introverts or not, we genuinely love talking to

1362
00:48:14,375 --> 00:48:17,014
other people, helping other people, giving other people

1363
00:48:17,014 --> 00:48:18,775
advice. I've had people reach out to me

1364
00:48:18,775 --> 00:48:20,934
at conferences and said, I'm not an MVP.

1365
00:48:20,934 --> 00:48:22,454
I would love to just talk to you

1366
00:48:22,454 --> 00:48:24,454
about being an MVP. Yeah. It's like not

1367
00:48:24,599 --> 00:48:26,440
we're not gonna give you a checklist of

1368
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:27,640
how to get there, but we'll talk to

1369
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,200
you about our experience about Right. We've had

1370
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,760
other MVPs tell us, to your point, you

1371
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,059
haven't done, go do this, go Yes. Here's

1372
00:48:36,855 --> 00:48:39,494
guidance that might help get you closer. We

1373
00:48:39,494 --> 00:48:41,414
just can't guarantee anything. Right. And we love

1374
00:48:41,414 --> 00:48:43,815
doing it. MvB stuff aside, if you wanna

1375
00:48:43,815 --> 00:48:45,815
be involved in the community, that does not

1376
00:48:45,815 --> 00:48:47,894
mean standing on stage as speaking. It could

1377
00:48:47,894 --> 00:48:50,130
be. It could also mean just help doing

1378
00:48:50,130 --> 00:48:52,130
behind the scenes organizing or if you want

1379
00:48:52,130 --> 00:48:54,289
to write or if you wanna do something

1380
00:48:54,289 --> 00:48:56,530
like this. I mean Yep. We have thoughts,

1381
00:48:56,530 --> 00:48:58,369
we have ideas. It is not a cool

1382
00:48:58,369 --> 00:49:01,089
kids club. It's a nerd kids club, and

1383
00:49:01,089 --> 00:49:03,715
everyone is welcome. It's a cool kids club,

1384
00:49:03,715 --> 00:49:04,375
but, you know,

1385
00:49:04,914 --> 00:49:05,655
it's because

1386
00:49:06,034 --> 00:49:07,414
it's just a cool club.

1387
00:49:07,795 --> 00:49:09,234
It is cool. You don't have to be

1388
00:49:09,234 --> 00:49:10,994
cool to be in the cool kids club.

1389
00:49:10,994 --> 00:49:12,675
Like, I feel like that's it. Like, it

1390
00:49:12,675 --> 00:49:14,835
is absolutely a cool club. Yeah. Maybe that's

1391
00:49:14,835 --> 00:49:16,355
the better phrase. It's not a cool kids

1392
00:49:16,355 --> 00:49:17,489
club, club, but it's a cool club. It

1393
00:49:17,489 --> 00:49:19,809
is a cool club. And just And you

1394
00:49:19,809 --> 00:49:21,730
don't even have to be an MVP to

1395
00:49:21,730 --> 00:49:23,650
hang out with the speakers too. There's lots

1396
00:49:23,650 --> 00:49:25,670
of speakers that aren't MVPs.

1397
00:49:26,289 --> 00:49:28,449
Yes. Again, I hung out with speakers and

1398
00:49:28,449 --> 00:49:30,224
MVPs for, like, five or six years before

1399
00:49:30,224 --> 00:49:32,105
I was an MVP. Yep. Yep. And they

1400
00:49:32,105 --> 00:49:34,684
are they're all very friendly. It's just fun.

1401
00:49:34,744 --> 00:49:37,144
Yeah. We enjoy being Just fun. We like

1402
00:49:37,144 --> 00:49:38,664
to talk. We like to share. We like

1403
00:49:38,664 --> 00:49:40,184
to hang out. We like to hang out

1404
00:49:40,184 --> 00:49:41,833
at the bar till We like to stay

1405
00:49:41,833 --> 00:49:44,654
up past the time. Way later than we

1406
00:49:44,654 --> 00:49:47,789
should. Yeah. Alright. With that Yes. Squirrel. Jacqueline,

1407
00:49:47,789 --> 00:49:50,297
we're gonna wrap up, like, ten minutes ago.

1408
00:49:50,297 --> 00:49:52,804
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1409
00:49:52,804 --> 00:49:55,345
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1410
00:49:55,345 --> 00:49:57,505
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