1 00:00:03,359 --> 00:00:05,599 Welcome to episode 405 2 00:00:05,599 --> 00:00:08,639 of the Microsoft Cloud IT Pro podcast recorded 3 00:00:08,639 --> 00:00:11,460 live on 06/27/2025. 4 00:00:11,519 --> 00:00:13,839 This is a show about Microsoft three sixty 5 00:00:13,839 --> 00:00:16,125 five and Azure from the perspective of IT 6 00:00:16,125 --> 00:00:18,204 pros and end users, where we discuss a 7 00:00:18,204 --> 00:00:20,605 topic or recent news and how it relates 8 00:00:20,605 --> 00:00:23,324 to you. The theme of today's show is 9 00:00:23,324 --> 00:00:23,824 notebooks. 10 00:00:24,364 --> 00:00:27,324 We have Copilot notebooks, OneNote notebooks, and Loop 11 00:00:27,324 --> 00:00:30,710 workspaces, which aren't a notebook, but do contribute 12 00:00:30,710 --> 00:00:33,109 to the confusion. We'll discuss how all of 13 00:00:33,109 --> 00:00:35,510 these tools relate to each other and how 14 00:00:35,510 --> 00:00:37,670 they might be used or how you may 15 00:00:37,670 --> 00:00:39,590 or may not be able to find the 16 00:00:39,590 --> 00:00:42,570 various content within each notebook or workspace. 17 00:00:43,109 --> 00:00:45,744 So let's try to unconfusing the confusion 18 00:00:46,204 --> 00:00:48,365 of where a notebook is not a notebook 19 00:00:48,365 --> 00:00:50,364 unless a notebook is a notebook in the 20 00:00:50,364 --> 00:00:52,604 right place. So let's just dive into the 21 00:00:52,604 --> 00:00:53,104 show. 22 00:00:54,924 --> 00:00:56,125 I don't even know where to start with 23 00:00:56,125 --> 00:00:57,969 this one, Scott. I'm gonna not get ranty. 24 00:00:57,969 --> 00:00:59,570 We're gonna try to walk people through this 25 00:00:59,570 --> 00:01:01,809 and maybe try to wrap our heads around 26 00:01:01,809 --> 00:01:04,369 this. And I saw the announcement about this. 27 00:01:04,369 --> 00:01:06,709 We'll post some links to it. Now in 28 00:01:07,090 --> 00:01:07,590 OneNote, 29 00:01:07,890 --> 00:01:12,064 we have a new Copilot notebook section, which 30 00:01:12,284 --> 00:01:14,784 correlates to a Microsoft three sixty five Copilot, 31 00:01:14,924 --> 00:01:17,185 which we cannot seem to avoid 32 00:01:17,484 --> 00:01:19,884 no matter what we do, also correlates to 33 00:01:19,884 --> 00:01:20,465 a notebook, 34 00:01:20,924 --> 00:01:24,299 which is separate from OneNote notebooks. Even though 35 00:01:24,299 --> 00:01:26,939 Copilot notebooks now show up in OneNote where 36 00:01:26,939 --> 00:01:29,340 you have OneNote notebooks going back to the 37 00:01:29,340 --> 00:01:32,060 notebooks. I love the, like, provisional title that 38 00:01:32,060 --> 00:01:33,579 you've put in place for this one. So 39 00:01:33,579 --> 00:01:35,099 just to give people a sense for where 40 00:01:35,099 --> 00:01:35,920 this is going, 41 00:01:36,875 --> 00:01:38,314 Ben and I do some planning before these, 42 00:01:38,314 --> 00:01:39,834 and we try and like game out what 43 00:01:39,834 --> 00:01:42,234 could the title be. So Ben's proposal was 44 00:01:42,234 --> 00:01:45,694 Loop Workspaces, Loop Pages, Copilot Pages, Copilot Notebooks, 45 00:01:46,155 --> 00:01:49,054 and Copilot Notebooks in OneNote Notebooks. 46 00:01:49,370 --> 00:01:50,829 Wrap your head around all that. 47 00:01:51,530 --> 00:01:52,030 Discuss. 48 00:01:52,329 --> 00:01:52,989 I agree. 49 00:01:53,450 --> 00:01:54,510 So yeah. 50 00:01:54,890 --> 00:01:56,489 Yes. Where do you wanna start with this, 51 00:01:56,489 --> 00:01:58,650 Scott? Should we start with what is a 52 00:01:58,650 --> 00:02:02,295 Copilot notebook or what our under understanding of 53 00:02:02,295 --> 00:02:04,615 a Copilot notebook is? Yeah. Or how you 54 00:02:04,615 --> 00:02:06,875 start with that? We got to start somewhere. 55 00:02:07,174 --> 00:02:08,794 And I think given where we ended 56 00:02:09,175 --> 00:02:10,074 up last episode 57 00:02:10,375 --> 00:02:11,594 on kind of the 58 00:02:12,294 --> 00:02:14,474 new Copilot landing experience 59 00:02:14,949 --> 00:02:16,150 and all those kinds of things, I think 60 00:02:16,150 --> 00:02:18,389 it's a natural extension to say, hey. Let's 61 00:02:18,389 --> 00:02:19,849 go dive into 62 00:02:20,709 --> 00:02:21,209 Copilot 63 00:02:21,829 --> 00:02:22,729 notebook land 64 00:02:23,430 --> 00:02:24,250 since Copilot 65 00:02:24,789 --> 00:02:25,289 notebooks 66 00:02:25,590 --> 00:02:27,049 and pages in Copilot 67 00:02:27,655 --> 00:02:29,834 are now kind of front and center, 68 00:02:30,614 --> 00:02:31,114 and 69 00:02:32,055 --> 00:02:33,414 I don't know what I'd call them, like 70 00:02:33,414 --> 00:02:35,834 a hero experience or like a first experience 71 00:02:36,694 --> 00:02:40,235 when you land in what's now the new 72 00:02:40,294 --> 00:02:41,514 default M365 73 00:02:42,134 --> 00:02:42,960 landing page. 74 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:45,760 So as a user, you're going to be 75 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:47,120 exposed to these and kind of hit in 76 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,460 the face with them, and have to learn 77 00:02:49,599 --> 00:02:50,819 how to disambiguate 78 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:51,860 between 79 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,319 all of a sudden all your notebooks, which 80 00:02:54,319 --> 00:02:55,840 you might be used to from OneNote or 81 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:57,599 things like that, aren't really here in this 82 00:02:57,599 --> 00:02:59,164 view when it comes 83 00:02:59,465 --> 00:03:01,944 to Copilot notebooks, except they kinda can be 84 00:03:01,944 --> 00:03:03,224 in this view, so it gets a little 85 00:03:03,224 --> 00:03:04,905 weird and wonky right from the start. There's 86 00:03:04,905 --> 00:03:07,164 a few different ways to create these notebooks. 87 00:03:07,224 --> 00:03:09,625 The first one, to your point of you 88 00:03:09,625 --> 00:03:11,864 go in I was talking about guest access 89 00:03:11,864 --> 00:03:14,159 with Copilot earlier today. You can go into 90 00:03:14,159 --> 00:03:16,080 a Copilot chat, and you can start a 91 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:17,780 new Copilot chat and 92 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,400 ask Copilot chat a question. So this is 93 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,040 like that new Microsoft three sixty five experience 94 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,439 we talked about last time where you could 95 00:03:25,439 --> 00:03:27,919 say something like, tell us about the Microsoft 96 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:29,965 Cloud IT Pro podcast, and it's going to 97 00:03:29,965 --> 00:03:31,645 give you an answer. Right? You're gonna start 98 00:03:31,645 --> 00:03:33,504 having a dialogue with, 99 00:03:33,965 --> 00:03:34,465 Microsoft. 100 00:03:34,844 --> 00:03:37,185 You're gonna start having a dialogue with Copilot 101 00:03:37,485 --> 00:03:40,764 about some topic. And let's say you want 102 00:03:40,764 --> 00:03:42,330 to save that. So in this case, I'm 103 00:03:42,330 --> 00:03:45,229 asking Copilot about Microsoft Cloud IT Pro podcast, 104 00:03:45,689 --> 00:03:47,769 and it gives me a response about our 105 00:03:47,769 --> 00:03:49,789 website, where to find us in Apple Podcast, 106 00:03:49,849 --> 00:03:52,810 topics covered, all of that. And I want 107 00:03:52,810 --> 00:03:55,530 to elaborate on this more. I want to 108 00:03:55,530 --> 00:03:57,694 save this for later. I now have an 109 00:03:57,694 --> 00:03:58,194 option 110 00:03:58,495 --> 00:04:00,275 at the bottom of a 111 00:04:00,655 --> 00:04:01,155 Copilot 112 00:04:01,455 --> 00:04:01,955 response 113 00:04:02,574 --> 00:04:03,875 to edit in pages, 114 00:04:04,175 --> 00:04:06,175 which is not a notebook yet. It's a 115 00:04:06,175 --> 00:04:06,675 page. 116 00:04:07,215 --> 00:04:09,155 So if I click edit in pages, 117 00:04:09,775 --> 00:04:12,670 it pops up a page that is 118 00:04:13,210 --> 00:04:13,710 created 119 00:04:14,330 --> 00:04:14,830 from 120 00:04:15,930 --> 00:04:17,930 do I say this is created in loop? 121 00:04:17,930 --> 00:04:19,770 Do I say this is a loop page? 122 00:04:19,770 --> 00:04:21,610 Because it sort of is. It's sort of 123 00:04:21,610 --> 00:04:23,449 a loop page, but it's not really like 124 00:04:23,449 --> 00:04:25,975 a loop. It's weird because it's not like 125 00:04:25,975 --> 00:04:29,035 an individual loop component nor is it automatically 126 00:04:29,175 --> 00:04:30,954 part of a loop workspace. So, 127 00:04:31,574 --> 00:04:33,415 yeah, it's got some of the stuff from 128 00:04:33,415 --> 00:04:35,175 loop on it. I the way I've been 129 00:04:35,175 --> 00:04:37,014 thinking about this stuff and trying to wrap 130 00:04:37,014 --> 00:04:38,394 my head around it is 131 00:04:39,180 --> 00:04:41,120 rather than trying to 132 00:04:42,779 --> 00:04:45,259 embrace the chaos of the disparate experience and 133 00:04:45,259 --> 00:04:46,699 trying to figure out, like, does this live 134 00:04:46,699 --> 00:04:48,779 in Loop? Does this live in Copilot? Does 135 00:04:48,779 --> 00:04:49,839 this live in OneNote? 136 00:04:50,379 --> 00:04:51,819 Does this live in SharePoint? Like, is it 137 00:04:51,819 --> 00:04:53,564 a SharePoint page? Like, all these kinds of 138 00:04:53,564 --> 00:04:55,725 things is just saying, like, oh, yeah. It's 139 00:04:55,725 --> 00:04:57,805 a Copilot page. Even even if it might 140 00:04:57,805 --> 00:04:59,985 be a Loop page because I started it 141 00:05:00,125 --> 00:05:03,824 from a Copilot chat and specifically a Copilot 142 00:05:04,045 --> 00:05:04,545 chat 143 00:05:05,245 --> 00:05:05,985 from Copilot, 144 00:05:06,569 --> 00:05:10,009 not a Copilot chat from within a existing 145 00:05:10,009 --> 00:05:10,829 loop page. 146 00:05:11,449 --> 00:05:12,970 But at the same time, when you go 147 00:05:12,970 --> 00:05:14,189 edit this in a page, 148 00:05:14,729 --> 00:05:17,129 it's, like, still a dot loop file. Like, 149 00:05:17,129 --> 00:05:18,729 I can go down in this page because 150 00:05:18,729 --> 00:05:20,490 now I'm in an editing view, and I 151 00:05:20,490 --> 00:05:22,644 can do my slash to get my command, 152 00:05:22,785 --> 00:05:24,305 and I have all my loop stuff, my 153 00:05:24,305 --> 00:05:26,805 table, my bullet list, my task lists 154 00:05:27,185 --> 00:05:28,805 that integrate with Planner, 155 00:05:29,105 --> 00:05:32,064 communication, third party apps. Like, I can do 156 00:05:32,064 --> 00:05:33,764 all the loopy things 157 00:05:34,305 --> 00:05:34,805 in 158 00:05:35,105 --> 00:05:37,939 this page to go edit the response, modify 159 00:05:37,939 --> 00:05:39,000 the response, etcetera. 160 00:05:39,379 --> 00:05:42,199 After I do that, if I want to, 161 00:05:42,500 --> 00:05:44,580 I can go click in the upper right 162 00:05:44,580 --> 00:05:46,740 hand corner on the ellipses and go click 163 00:05:46,740 --> 00:05:47,560 on my options 164 00:05:47,860 --> 00:05:49,379 and add this to a notebook. So I 165 00:05:49,379 --> 00:05:50,839 can start a collection 166 00:05:52,305 --> 00:05:53,045 of pages 167 00:05:53,504 --> 00:05:55,665 in a notebook from here. If I don't 168 00:05:55,665 --> 00:05:57,105 do that, and this is where I'm like, 169 00:05:57,105 --> 00:05:59,024 do I call this a loop page or 170 00:05:59,024 --> 00:06:02,144 not, I can also go to loop and 171 00:06:02,144 --> 00:06:05,024 go to my workspaces where all, like, my 172 00:06:05,024 --> 00:06:05,524 personal 173 00:06:06,064 --> 00:06:08,300 pages are stored. And within 174 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:09,740 my workspace, 175 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,540 this does show up as a loop page. 176 00:06:12,759 --> 00:06:14,839 So now it's kind of crossed over a 177 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,080 little bit where this loop page or this 178 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,000 Copilot page we're gonna try to stick with 179 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,560 that. This Copilot page does surface itself in 180 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:23,285 loop, so I can go view it in 181 00:06:23,285 --> 00:06:26,245 Loupe, or I can go add this to 182 00:06:26,245 --> 00:06:28,004 a notebook. And this is one of the 183 00:06:28,004 --> 00:06:29,865 things to me that just starts 184 00:06:30,245 --> 00:06:32,805 adding to the confusion here where I can't 185 00:06:32,805 --> 00:06:34,404 even create a notebook from here. I can 186 00:06:34,404 --> 00:06:35,685 only go in and add it to my 187 00:06:35,685 --> 00:06:37,620 recent notebooks. So if I have a notebook 188 00:06:37,620 --> 00:06:40,740 about the podcast and I wanna add this 189 00:06:40,740 --> 00:06:42,840 response from Copilot to that notebook, 190 00:06:43,220 --> 00:06:45,779 I can do that and start working with 191 00:06:45,779 --> 00:06:47,540 a notebook. It said something went wrong. I 192 00:06:47,540 --> 00:06:49,400 can't add it to my notebooks right now. 193 00:06:49,860 --> 00:06:51,939 But it gives you that ability to start 194 00:06:52,092 --> 00:06:53,764 I would say these notebooks give you the 195 00:06:53,764 --> 00:06:56,504 ability to start a collection of Copilot responses 196 00:06:56,884 --> 00:06:58,584 that are all bundled together 197 00:06:59,044 --> 00:07:00,504 in a Copilot 198 00:07:00,884 --> 00:07:03,204 notebook. I think the reason I would say 199 00:07:03,204 --> 00:07:05,464 call them Copilot pages and not loop pages 200 00:07:05,939 --> 00:07:09,060 is because, one, that's what Microsoft calls them. 201 00:07:09,060 --> 00:07:10,259 Right? So if you go out and look 202 00:07:10,259 --> 00:07:11,000 at the documentation, 203 00:07:11,699 --> 00:07:13,319 you will find articles 204 00:07:13,620 --> 00:07:17,620 like overview of Copilot pages, Copilot notebooks, and 205 00:07:17,620 --> 00:07:18,439 loop workspaces. 206 00:07:19,084 --> 00:07:21,805 You'll find articles like overview of Copilot pages 207 00:07:21,805 --> 00:07:23,024 and Copilot notebooks. 208 00:07:23,805 --> 00:07:26,444 So that branding aspect is there, and I 209 00:07:26,444 --> 00:07:26,944 think 210 00:07:27,404 --> 00:07:29,645 at some point, it becomes kind of forced 211 00:07:29,645 --> 00:07:31,024 memory along the way. 212 00:07:31,404 --> 00:07:33,324 The other thing that you run into is, 213 00:07:33,324 --> 00:07:36,790 like, yes, are Copilot pages really just loop? 214 00:07:37,330 --> 00:07:41,410 Absolutely, they are, but they're loop pages that 215 00:07:41,410 --> 00:07:43,990 don't belong to any workspace. 216 00:07:45,410 --> 00:07:45,910 So, 217 00:07:46,290 --> 00:07:47,805 you know, you end up in this weird 218 00:07:48,204 --> 00:07:50,144 little bit of a conundrum 219 00:07:50,685 --> 00:07:51,185 of 220 00:07:51,884 --> 00:07:53,884 how these things live and where you access 221 00:07:53,884 --> 00:07:55,485 them. So I think that's why it's important 222 00:07:55,485 --> 00:07:56,544 to kind of think about 223 00:07:57,084 --> 00:07:59,245 what was the experience that I started with. 224 00:07:59,245 --> 00:08:00,685 And I think as a user, you might 225 00:08:00,685 --> 00:08:02,129 have to take like a little bit of 226 00:08:02,290 --> 00:08:03,970 a decision here at this point in time 227 00:08:03,970 --> 00:08:06,209 given where the stack is, like, and be 228 00:08:06,209 --> 00:08:08,449 kind of mindful, like, am I starting from 229 00:08:08,449 --> 00:08:10,209 a Copilot chat, which is leading me to 230 00:08:10,209 --> 00:08:12,610 a Copilot page, which is really a Loop 231 00:08:12,610 --> 00:08:15,889 page? But that said, my best experience with 232 00:08:15,889 --> 00:08:18,504 interacting with that page moving forward is not 233 00:08:18,504 --> 00:08:20,345 going to be through Loop, it's gonna be 234 00:08:20,345 --> 00:08:21,085 through Copilot. 235 00:08:21,545 --> 00:08:24,025 And I bet over time as, like, mobile 236 00:08:24,025 --> 00:08:26,025 apps and other things continue to manifest and 237 00:08:26,025 --> 00:08:26,525 grow, 238 00:08:27,305 --> 00:08:30,360 that experience continues to land that way. Like, 239 00:08:30,519 --> 00:08:32,279 I don't know that I see them coming 240 00:08:32,279 --> 00:08:34,839 back point in time and making a decision 241 00:08:34,839 --> 00:08:37,259 to, like, backboard all the loop stuff into 242 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:37,820 the, 243 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,679 say, like, the Copilot app on Android or 244 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:42,519 iOS or things like that. It's a little 245 00:08:42,519 --> 00:08:44,440 odd. So I would say that's how you 246 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:45,820 get a page into a notebook. 247 00:08:46,245 --> 00:08:48,164 The other option you have so that's starting 248 00:08:48,164 --> 00:08:50,565 from chat, but now it's like, well, I 249 00:08:50,565 --> 00:08:52,325 need a notebook to put these pages in. 250 00:08:52,325 --> 00:08:54,345 Right? I'm having a Copilot conversation. 251 00:08:54,965 --> 00:08:56,184 I want to 252 00:08:56,565 --> 00:08:58,720 store these pages in a notebook. Also, in 253 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,519 Microsoft three sixty five, you have that notebook 254 00:09:01,519 --> 00:09:03,840 section. And if you click on notebooks in 255 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:05,860 your Microsoft three sixty five Copilot, 256 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,960 you'll see a collection of existing notebooks and 257 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,279 also the option to add a new notebook 258 00:09:11,279 --> 00:09:13,095 here. So if you're gonna add a new 259 00:09:13,095 --> 00:09:14,935 notebook, this is where you can start thinking 260 00:09:14,935 --> 00:09:16,855 through, well, what do I want a notebook 261 00:09:16,855 --> 00:09:19,355 about? I want a notebook about our podcast, 262 00:09:19,415 --> 00:09:21,915 or I want a notebook about a particular 263 00:09:23,014 --> 00:09:25,355 SOW for a client. 264 00:09:25,750 --> 00:09:28,309 And this is where it starts for me, 265 00:09:28,309 --> 00:09:31,129 like, getting almost all sorts of confusing is 266 00:09:31,509 --> 00:09:33,430 in that other experience, I'm adding a page 267 00:09:33,430 --> 00:09:35,029 to a notebook. Here, when I go start 268 00:09:35,029 --> 00:09:35,610 a notebook, 269 00:09:35,990 --> 00:09:37,509 I can go give it a name and 270 00:09:37,509 --> 00:09:40,375 just do my new notebook and hit create. 271 00:09:40,375 --> 00:09:42,855 It's gonna create a blank notebook, nothing in 272 00:09:42,855 --> 00:09:45,514 it, so I can start adding chats. Or 273 00:09:45,894 --> 00:09:48,214 on the other hand, I can go pick 274 00:09:48,214 --> 00:09:50,695 a file, not a loop page, not a 275 00:09:50,695 --> 00:09:51,355 loop workspace, 276 00:09:51,669 --> 00:09:53,049 but, like, a Word document 277 00:09:53,429 --> 00:09:56,889 or a OneNote page or an Excel file. 278 00:09:57,029 --> 00:09:59,929 I even have CSV files showing up in 279 00:10:00,629 --> 00:10:03,350 my create a notebook where you actually pick 280 00:10:03,350 --> 00:10:06,169 a file that you want to start 281 00:10:06,914 --> 00:10:09,254 you wanna add to your notebook for additional 282 00:10:09,554 --> 00:10:10,054 context 283 00:10:10,595 --> 00:10:12,674 as you work in that notebook. So if 284 00:10:12,674 --> 00:10:14,274 I pick a Word file and create a 285 00:10:14,274 --> 00:10:16,674 notebook, it adds it as a reference, and 286 00:10:16,674 --> 00:10:18,595 now I have a new notebook. I have 287 00:10:18,595 --> 00:10:20,134 a Word file as a reference, 288 00:10:20,490 --> 00:10:22,029 and then I have another Copilot 289 00:10:22,490 --> 00:10:24,190 chat dialogue in here 290 00:10:24,570 --> 00:10:27,070 to be able to start having conversations. 291 00:10:27,610 --> 00:10:29,470 And it's gonna pull in 292 00:10:30,649 --> 00:10:33,289 a information from that file I added as 293 00:10:33,289 --> 00:10:35,789 I go start having conversations with Copilot 294 00:10:36,154 --> 00:10:36,975 in this notebook. 295 00:10:37,514 --> 00:10:38,014 So 296 00:10:38,394 --> 00:10:40,095 in my head, I almost 297 00:10:40,475 --> 00:10:42,875 as my head tries not to explode, it's 298 00:10:42,875 --> 00:10:45,355 almost like I'm creating a little mini agent 299 00:10:45,355 --> 00:10:47,595 type experience here where I'm starting to pull 300 00:10:47,595 --> 00:10:51,294 resources together, whether it's Copilot chats or files 301 00:10:52,129 --> 00:10:53,990 or even other pages 302 00:10:54,690 --> 00:10:56,309 to create a collection 303 00:10:56,690 --> 00:10:59,990 of reference material for an interaction with Copilot? 304 00:11:00,209 --> 00:11:03,509 Kinda, sorta, but not really. I would discourage 305 00:11:03,570 --> 00:11:06,230 you from thinking about it as an agent. 306 00:11:06,725 --> 00:11:09,925 So agents and declarative agents are a little 307 00:11:09,925 --> 00:11:12,105 bit of a different beast with their ability 308 00:11:12,965 --> 00:11:16,085 to connect to external data sources, maybe like 309 00:11:16,085 --> 00:11:19,144 SAP and HR system, external websites. 310 00:11:19,549 --> 00:11:22,110 Yep. What is common across these experiences is 311 00:11:22,110 --> 00:11:23,329 the ability to 312 00:11:24,429 --> 00:11:24,929 leverage 313 00:11:25,709 --> 00:11:28,829 additional things for additional context, particularly in the 314 00:11:29,230 --> 00:11:31,569 particularly for, like, retrieval augmented generation. 315 00:11:32,054 --> 00:11:34,315 So in this case, you're creating a notebook, 316 00:11:34,455 --> 00:11:36,774 which is basically a container. So you could 317 00:11:36,774 --> 00:11:37,975 have all you could have done this all 318 00:11:37,975 --> 00:11:39,654 in a chat without a notebook as well, 319 00:11:39,654 --> 00:11:41,254 where you could have had a chat and 320 00:11:41,254 --> 00:11:44,490 just reference those multiple files in there. But 321 00:11:44,490 --> 00:11:45,690 I think what you get out of the 322 00:11:45,690 --> 00:11:48,570 notebook experience is the ability to then take 323 00:11:48,570 --> 00:11:49,389 your chats 324 00:11:49,769 --> 00:11:52,009 and rather than persist them as this, like, 325 00:11:52,009 --> 00:11:54,090 massive stream where maybe I've been chatting about 326 00:11:54,090 --> 00:11:56,384 these three documents or whatever for a while, 327 00:11:56,465 --> 00:11:59,184 but start to kinda discreetly pull out bits 328 00:11:59,184 --> 00:12:01,605 and pieces of that, park them in pages, 329 00:12:01,904 --> 00:12:02,965 Copilot pages, 330 00:12:03,345 --> 00:12:04,404 inside your notebook, 331 00:12:04,785 --> 00:12:07,605 and then have all of that as kinda 332 00:12:07,745 --> 00:12:08,644 one stop 333 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,879 shopping, but it's still a little bit weird 334 00:12:11,879 --> 00:12:13,960 because the other thing that you run into 335 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:17,000 here is, much like with the chat, this 336 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,639 notebook is unique to you. Right? It's in 337 00:12:19,639 --> 00:12:20,779 your user space. 338 00:12:21,324 --> 00:12:22,065 It's ultimately 339 00:12:22,445 --> 00:12:25,584 allocated to, I believe, a SharePoint embedded experience 340 00:12:25,644 --> 00:12:27,884 in the back end where it's like Yeah. 341 00:12:27,964 --> 00:12:30,544 Your loop space, your MyLoop workspace, 342 00:12:31,245 --> 00:12:34,044 your Copilot notebook, and your Copilot pages are 343 00:12:34,044 --> 00:12:37,149 all in a SharePoint embedded container, which is 344 00:12:37,149 --> 00:12:39,389 a user owned container, which is allocated to 345 00:12:39,389 --> 00:12:41,309 you in the life cycle of your user 346 00:12:41,309 --> 00:12:43,070 account or really the life cycle of your 347 00:12:43,070 --> 00:12:45,090 per user entitlement for these experiences 348 00:12:45,710 --> 00:12:46,929 and how they come together. 349 00:12:47,389 --> 00:12:49,795 And that's in contrast, I think, to, like 350 00:12:49,795 --> 00:12:52,195 I said, that chat, which doesn't include really, 351 00:12:52,195 --> 00:12:54,995 like, the multiple page experience. Like, sure, I 352 00:12:54,995 --> 00:12:56,595 could take a chat and start spinning out 353 00:12:56,595 --> 00:12:58,355 components of it to pages, but then I 354 00:12:58,355 --> 00:12:59,875 need a place to park those pages. If 355 00:12:59,875 --> 00:13:01,495 they're all the same, that's a notebook. 356 00:13:01,990 --> 00:13:03,750 And then the other aspect of things when 357 00:13:03,750 --> 00:13:05,929 you think about maybe like a notebook versus 358 00:13:06,149 --> 00:13:08,549 a declarative agent and building one of those 359 00:13:08,549 --> 00:13:10,710 out is you're not grounding this with, like, 360 00:13:10,710 --> 00:13:13,830 additional system context, prompts, instructions, things like that. 361 00:13:13,830 --> 00:13:16,090 It's just a collection, and it's also not 362 00:13:16,309 --> 00:13:17,529 it's also not 363 00:13:18,044 --> 00:13:19,804 immediately shareable. So, like, I can create a 364 00:13:19,804 --> 00:13:23,004 declarative agent, say, like, go park that agent 365 00:13:23,004 --> 00:13:24,845 against a body of knowledge that's already in 366 00:13:24,845 --> 00:13:27,245 a SharePoint site someplace else, whether it's in 367 00:13:27,245 --> 00:13:29,325 my OneDrive, whether it's in a team, SharePoint, 368 00:13:29,325 --> 00:13:31,769 anything like that. Give it all that system 369 00:13:31,990 --> 00:13:34,790 context and instructions for that agent, and then 370 00:13:34,790 --> 00:13:36,389 I can take that agent and share it 371 00:13:36,389 --> 00:13:38,070 out with my organization. I can share it 372 00:13:38,070 --> 00:13:39,670 out with individuals. I can share it with 373 00:13:39,670 --> 00:13:42,309 the team, things like that, and kinda get 374 00:13:42,309 --> 00:13:42,809 them 375 00:13:43,304 --> 00:13:45,065 going along the way. I don't know if 376 00:13:45,065 --> 00:13:47,225 this experience ever turns into that where maybe 377 00:13:47,225 --> 00:13:49,245 now I can start to take my Copilot 378 00:13:49,304 --> 00:13:51,705 notebooks and then share them with end people 379 00:13:51,705 --> 00:13:52,845 and open up permissions 380 00:13:53,544 --> 00:13:55,544 and get some things going there. Like, I 381 00:13:55,544 --> 00:13:58,000 really view these more as, like, the an 382 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,699 extension of the Copilot chat experience 383 00:14:00,079 --> 00:14:02,079 where now I can start to bring together 384 00:14:02,079 --> 00:14:04,259 multiple chats, multiple pieces of information 385 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,440 into what's effectively, like, a private chat for 386 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,159 me that's doing rag against whatever is in 387 00:14:10,159 --> 00:14:10,964 that collection. 388 00:14:14,945 --> 00:14:17,024 Do you feel overwhelmed by trying to manage 389 00:14:17,024 --> 00:14:19,345 your Office three sixty five environment? Are you 390 00:14:19,345 --> 00:14:22,644 facing unexpected issues that disrupt your company's productivity? 391 00:14:22,865 --> 00:14:24,830 Intelligink is here to help. 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You 413 00:15:22,339 --> 00:15:23,539 don't wanna save all of it. You just 414 00:15:23,539 --> 00:15:25,379 wanna save part of it. You can save 415 00:15:25,379 --> 00:15:27,139 it to the notebook. But then you could 416 00:15:27,139 --> 00:15:30,600 also pull multiple chats into a single notebook. 417 00:15:30,834 --> 00:15:32,514 So as you have three, four, or five 418 00:15:32,514 --> 00:15:34,855 different conversations within Copilot 419 00:15:35,315 --> 00:15:37,394 chat, it does give you a central place 420 00:15:37,394 --> 00:15:39,834 to kind of consolidate all those together. And 421 00:15:39,834 --> 00:15:41,714 I think that's a good way to think 422 00:15:41,714 --> 00:15:43,815 about it is, like, personal consolidation 423 00:15:44,195 --> 00:15:45,894 versus organizational consolidation. 424 00:15:46,730 --> 00:15:48,090 And a lot of that probably comes back 425 00:15:48,090 --> 00:15:50,009 to how you think about like a notebook 426 00:15:50,009 --> 00:15:51,389 as a notebook or 427 00:15:51,769 --> 00:15:53,710 a loop workspace as a loop workspace 428 00:15:55,210 --> 00:15:58,009 is some of those constructs around personal versus 429 00:15:58,009 --> 00:15:59,529 shared and things like that. Like I can 430 00:15:59,529 --> 00:16:01,245 have a OneNote notebook in my OneDrive, and 431 00:16:01,245 --> 00:16:03,004 I can certainly share it with somebody. But 432 00:16:03,004 --> 00:16:04,925 if it was a Team notebook, it's better 433 00:16:04,925 --> 00:16:05,825 to be serviced 434 00:16:06,205 --> 00:16:08,524 and share surface from like a Teams site 435 00:16:08,524 --> 00:16:09,425 or from 436 00:16:09,965 --> 00:16:12,065 an M365 group or a Microsoft 437 00:16:12,445 --> 00:16:14,305 Team, Teams team, 438 00:16:15,659 --> 00:16:18,139 as those things come together. So the other 439 00:16:18,139 --> 00:16:20,139 thing about this I wanna mention, because this 440 00:16:20,139 --> 00:16:23,100 is a part that really threw me at 441 00:16:23,100 --> 00:16:24,620 first when I was starting to play with 442 00:16:24,620 --> 00:16:27,259 this too, is we mentioned the chat. Right? 443 00:16:27,259 --> 00:16:28,539 Like, we could go in and have a 444 00:16:28,539 --> 00:16:30,320 chat, click to edit in pages. 445 00:16:30,804 --> 00:16:33,205 It creates a Loupe page where I can 446 00:16:33,205 --> 00:16:33,865 now go 447 00:16:34,245 --> 00:16:36,404 modify it like I would modify a Loupe 448 00:16:36,404 --> 00:16:38,725 page. It also shows up in Loupe under 449 00:16:38,725 --> 00:16:39,384 my workspaces. 450 00:16:39,845 --> 00:16:41,684 So I'm like, okay. Technically, I can get 451 00:16:41,684 --> 00:16:43,629 to this from both places now. Right? It 452 00:16:43,750 --> 00:16:45,829 well, I created it from Copilot. It's part 453 00:16:45,829 --> 00:16:47,829 of my Copilot notebook. It's really not part 454 00:16:47,829 --> 00:16:49,669 of a workspace. It does show up under 455 00:16:49,669 --> 00:16:51,990 my workspaces and loop. However, once I have 456 00:16:51,990 --> 00:16:53,990 a notebook in here, I have a link 457 00:16:53,990 --> 00:16:56,325 to create a new page. I'm like, okay. 458 00:16:56,325 --> 00:16:58,345 Great. I can go click a new page. 459 00:16:58,565 --> 00:17:01,445 This gives me a loop page. I mean, 460 00:17:01,445 --> 00:17:03,205 it's like the loop interface. I can go 461 00:17:03,205 --> 00:17:04,565 give it a title. I can add an 462 00:17:04,565 --> 00:17:06,805 icon. I can add a cover. This is 463 00:17:06,805 --> 00:17:08,664 my new page in my, 464 00:17:09,924 --> 00:17:10,424 notebook. 465 00:17:11,039 --> 00:17:12,720 Go do whatever I want to in here. 466 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,360 Have conversations with Copilot. There's a Copilot chat 467 00:17:15,360 --> 00:17:17,360 button in it. All the things. Now I 468 00:17:17,360 --> 00:17:19,039 go close it, and my new page is 469 00:17:19,039 --> 00:17:21,680 here in my notebook. However, if I create 470 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,240 a new page within the notebook, it doesn't 471 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,015 show up anywhere in Loupe. It's like just 472 00:17:27,075 --> 00:17:29,714 missing the only place I can find this 473 00:17:29,714 --> 00:17:31,174 page by default 474 00:17:31,634 --> 00:17:33,714 is now in the notebook. So I could 475 00:17:33,714 --> 00:17:35,894 have two or three pages in a notebook, 476 00:17:36,194 --> 00:17:38,339 and based on whether I started it from 477 00:17:38,339 --> 00:17:41,059 within a Copilot chat or based on when 478 00:17:41,220 --> 00:17:43,160 if I started it within the notebook itself, 479 00:17:43,460 --> 00:17:45,799 it shows up in different places. 480 00:17:46,099 --> 00:17:47,779 For me, that was just like I was 481 00:17:47,779 --> 00:17:49,619 like, wait a minute. What's going on here? 482 00:17:49,619 --> 00:17:51,380 I have some of my pages in Loop, 483 00:17:51,380 --> 00:17:52,839 but not all of my pages. 484 00:17:53,174 --> 00:17:55,015 And I really had to dig through that. 485 00:17:55,015 --> 00:17:57,735 And I think that's where like, even in 486 00:17:57,735 --> 00:17:59,255 that title is, like, is it a Loupe 487 00:17:59,255 --> 00:18:01,255 page? Is it a Copilot page? Is really 488 00:18:01,414 --> 00:18:03,095 well, some of these show up in Loupe. 489 00:18:03,095 --> 00:18:05,654 You really want to stick to, I'm doing 490 00:18:05,654 --> 00:18:08,630 Copilot notebooks and pages, so I'm going to 491 00:18:08,630 --> 00:18:11,109 go to Copilot for everything, or I'm doing 492 00:18:11,109 --> 00:18:11,849 loop workspaces 493 00:18:12,390 --> 00:18:14,470 and loop pages, and I'm gonna go to 494 00:18:14,470 --> 00:18:15,289 loop for everything, 495 00:18:15,669 --> 00:18:17,909 stick to one or the other without trying 496 00:18:17,909 --> 00:18:19,369 to wrap your head around 497 00:18:19,765 --> 00:18:21,765 how do these integrate together or can these 498 00:18:21,765 --> 00:18:24,724 integrate together, as well they're both kinda built 499 00:18:24,724 --> 00:18:26,565 on I mean, they're built on the same 500 00:18:26,565 --> 00:18:29,684 technology. Under the covers, it's all fluid loop 501 00:18:29,684 --> 00:18:31,765 stuff. At this point in time, they really 502 00:18:31,765 --> 00:18:34,009 still feel like two very different things. You 503 00:18:34,009 --> 00:18:35,850 have your Copilot construct to it. You have 504 00:18:35,850 --> 00:18:36,750 your loop construct. 505 00:18:37,130 --> 00:18:39,130 Don't try to overlap them. I guess would 506 00:18:39,130 --> 00:18:39,869 be my 507 00:18:40,250 --> 00:18:43,049 advice and guidance there is that's when my 508 00:18:43,049 --> 00:18:44,570 head starts hurting is when I try to 509 00:18:44,570 --> 00:18:46,410 think about, do these integrate together? Do these 510 00:18:46,410 --> 00:18:47,150 work together? 511 00:18:47,450 --> 00:18:49,615 Now they're really two separate things, and it 512 00:18:49,615 --> 00:18:51,234 helps my head a lot. 513 00:18:52,174 --> 00:18:52,835 I think, 514 00:18:53,294 --> 00:18:53,794 yeah, 515 00:18:54,095 --> 00:18:55,075 you have to 516 00:18:55,454 --> 00:18:56,194 as in 517 00:18:56,654 --> 00:18:57,394 all things 518 00:18:57,775 --> 00:19:00,174 Microsoft three sixty five land, especially when they're 519 00:19:00,174 --> 00:19:02,690 newer like this, you have to, I think, 520 00:19:02,690 --> 00:19:04,470 approach them with a little bit of intentionality 521 00:19:05,090 --> 00:19:06,549 and just hopping into 522 00:19:07,410 --> 00:19:10,130 the individual experience versus worrying too much about 523 00:19:10,130 --> 00:19:12,710 the shared one, how that manifests for you. 524 00:19:12,930 --> 00:19:13,430 So 525 00:19:14,450 --> 00:19:15,910 I'd imagine over time, 526 00:19:16,544 --> 00:19:19,504 one would hope, that someone thinks about this 527 00:19:19,504 --> 00:19:22,065 container within a container concept, within the containers 528 00:19:22,065 --> 00:19:24,304 of your SharePoint embedded workspace of, like, oh, 529 00:19:24,304 --> 00:19:25,984 hey. That page that was created in a 530 00:19:25,984 --> 00:19:27,984 notebook, maybe that should be surfaced up to 531 00:19:27,984 --> 00:19:30,649 my loop workspaces or things like that. In 532 00:19:30,649 --> 00:19:32,250 lieu of that, you're right. Like, hey. Just, 533 00:19:32,250 --> 00:19:34,569 like, try not to carry the mental overhead 534 00:19:34,569 --> 00:19:35,950 and the cognitive load. 535 00:19:36,329 --> 00:19:38,409 Like, let's just hop in and do what 536 00:19:38,409 --> 00:19:39,309 we need to do. 537 00:19:39,690 --> 00:19:40,190 But 538 00:19:40,490 --> 00:19:43,470 if you become mindful of it over time, 539 00:19:43,825 --> 00:19:46,225 that lets you start to do some more 540 00:19:46,225 --> 00:19:48,945 interesting things. Because now, let's say you do 541 00:19:48,945 --> 00:19:51,904 start at the top and you're consistently creating 542 00:19:51,904 --> 00:19:52,644 your pages 543 00:19:53,265 --> 00:19:56,244 from Copilot chats or just from Copilot pages 544 00:19:56,305 --> 00:19:57,205 and that experience, 545 00:19:57,649 --> 00:19:59,809 well, those are all gonna show up in 546 00:19:59,809 --> 00:20:02,289 your Loop workspace. And if you recognize that 547 00:20:02,289 --> 00:20:04,289 and you wanted access to them in Loop, 548 00:20:04,289 --> 00:20:06,450 great. Now you're gonna get that on both 549 00:20:06,450 --> 00:20:08,710 sides, right, both sides of the coin there. 550 00:20:08,849 --> 00:20:11,009 The other thing that you'll get is the 551 00:20:11,009 --> 00:20:13,029 ability to now take those pages. 552 00:20:13,384 --> 00:20:15,404 Like one page can go to end notebooks 553 00:20:15,785 --> 00:20:16,285 versus 554 00:20:16,585 --> 00:20:18,825 one page to one notebook, and kind of 555 00:20:18,825 --> 00:20:21,625 pulling those things around with you as well. 556 00:20:21,625 --> 00:20:22,125 So 557 00:20:22,505 --> 00:20:23,805 if it stays in this 558 00:20:24,585 --> 00:20:26,985 model, like, yeah, it's going to take a 559 00:20:26,985 --> 00:20:28,205 little bit, I think, for 560 00:20:28,619 --> 00:20:30,619 users to to wrap their heads around and 561 00:20:30,619 --> 00:20:32,779 get on board with it, but, you know, 562 00:20:32,779 --> 00:20:35,099 you could conceivably build out a workflow around 563 00:20:35,099 --> 00:20:35,839 it today. 564 00:20:36,299 --> 00:20:38,880 You just gotta have, like, all that intentionality 565 00:20:39,259 --> 00:20:40,859 walking into it to be able to get 566 00:20:40,859 --> 00:20:43,005 there and recognize kinda which level of the 567 00:20:43,005 --> 00:20:44,445 pyramid you're at. Am I at the top 568 00:20:44,445 --> 00:20:45,884 level of the pyramid, maybe in, like, a 569 00:20:45,884 --> 00:20:47,505 chat where I landed in 570 00:20:48,205 --> 00:20:49,565 portal.office.com, 571 00:20:49,565 --> 00:20:51,424 which got me redirected over here 572 00:20:51,884 --> 00:20:54,365 to three sixty five dot Microsoft dot cloud 573 00:20:54,365 --> 00:20:56,440 or or whatever it is? Am I at 574 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,200 the next layer of the pyramid? Like, am 575 00:20:58,200 --> 00:20:59,799 I a step down where now I have 576 00:20:59,799 --> 00:21:02,200 Copilot pages and Copilot notebooks, or am I 577 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:03,880 at the third layer of the pyramid where 578 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:04,539 I'm actually 579 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:06,380 in a notebook 580 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:08,940 and that kind of lower level container 581 00:21:09,805 --> 00:21:11,644 along the way. So if you can wrap 582 00:21:11,644 --> 00:21:13,484 your head around all that, great. Right? Like, 583 00:21:13,484 --> 00:21:15,404 maybe it's something you can embrace and use 584 00:21:15,404 --> 00:21:16,924 as a user that's out there. If you 585 00:21:16,924 --> 00:21:18,525 can't wrap your head around any of that 586 00:21:18,525 --> 00:21:20,525 stuff, like, just don't get frustrated by it. 587 00:21:20,525 --> 00:21:22,525 You gotta live in the experience and think, 588 00:21:22,525 --> 00:21:24,829 like, alright. I'm only gonna ever access stuff 589 00:21:24,829 --> 00:21:27,970 through the Copilot app and not through Copilot 590 00:21:28,029 --> 00:21:29,970 plus Loop or Loop plus Copilot 591 00:21:30,349 --> 00:21:33,470 or, forbid, because these are all just fluid 592 00:21:33,470 --> 00:21:35,230 components at the end of the day, going 593 00:21:35,230 --> 00:21:36,690 out and finding your component 594 00:21:37,565 --> 00:21:38,765 and being able to share it out that 595 00:21:38,765 --> 00:21:41,164 way. I agree a 100%. I think I 596 00:21:41,164 --> 00:21:43,025 mean, the other thing that would be nice 597 00:21:43,325 --> 00:21:45,005 too that I think I was kinda hoping 598 00:21:45,005 --> 00:21:47,244 for is even in Loupe where I have 599 00:21:47,244 --> 00:21:48,865 my meeting notes and my workspaces. 600 00:21:49,325 --> 00:21:51,690 Like, those are two different things. It feels 601 00:21:51,690 --> 00:21:53,950 like we could just add Copilot notebooks 602 00:21:54,330 --> 00:21:55,630 right underneath my workspaces. 603 00:21:56,009 --> 00:21:58,250 Again, I think that helps even from that 604 00:21:58,250 --> 00:22:02,009 cognitive load perspective of, okay. These are notebooks 605 00:22:02,009 --> 00:22:04,089 and these are workspaces. Like, those are two 606 00:22:04,089 --> 00:22:05,230 different things. 607 00:22:05,585 --> 00:22:08,144 Let's separate them out that way versus this 608 00:22:08,144 --> 00:22:08,644 random 609 00:22:09,265 --> 00:22:11,265 page showing up in Loop every once in 610 00:22:11,265 --> 00:22:12,944 a while, which then I think brings us 611 00:22:12,944 --> 00:22:15,184 back to OneNote and that these are also 612 00:22:15,184 --> 00:22:16,944 starting to show up in OneNote, which is 613 00:22:16,944 --> 00:22:18,625 where I mean, I kinda knew these were 614 00:22:18,625 --> 00:22:19,825 out here. I've played with them a little 615 00:22:19,825 --> 00:22:22,309 bit. OneNote, now my notebooks show up, which 616 00:22:22,450 --> 00:22:24,369 this, again, has nothing to do with loop. 617 00:22:24,369 --> 00:22:27,029 You can do loop components in OneNote pages, 618 00:22:27,329 --> 00:22:28,869 but this Copilot notebooks, 619 00:22:29,329 --> 00:22:31,569 when you look at it, it's really just 620 00:22:31,569 --> 00:22:33,565 like an iframe, for lack of a better 621 00:22:33,565 --> 00:22:36,045 way to describe it, into that Copilot notebook 622 00:22:36,045 --> 00:22:36,945 section. So 623 00:22:37,245 --> 00:22:40,924 these Copilot notebooks, again, the notebook things, nothing 624 00:22:40,924 --> 00:22:43,404 to do with Loop. It's these Copilot notebooks 625 00:22:43,404 --> 00:22:45,904 from the Microsoft three sixty five Copilot experience 626 00:22:46,285 --> 00:22:48,309 that are now starting to show up in 627 00:22:48,309 --> 00:22:49,130 a separate 628 00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:52,230 navigation section within OneNote. I will say I 629 00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:54,170 think there's a big difference here 630 00:22:55,269 --> 00:22:55,849 on the 631 00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:59,349 administration side of things. So kinda disconnecting from 632 00:22:59,349 --> 00:23:01,269 the user experience here a little bit, like, 633 00:23:01,269 --> 00:23:03,424 let's kind of take a step back. Like, 634 00:23:03,424 --> 00:23:05,105 you're an admin of a tenant and you 635 00:23:05,105 --> 00:23:07,365 need to get in and manage these out. 636 00:23:07,744 --> 00:23:11,105 They're created as part of a SharePoint embedded 637 00:23:11,105 --> 00:23:12,404 workspace per user. 638 00:23:12,865 --> 00:23:14,484 So when you start to think about, like, 639 00:23:14,625 --> 00:23:16,625 life cycle of an entitlement, life cycle of 640 00:23:16,625 --> 00:23:17,839 a user organization, 641 00:23:18,619 --> 00:23:20,700 these are all private to that user. So 642 00:23:20,700 --> 00:23:23,200 when a user leaves an organization, you can 643 00:23:23,500 --> 00:23:27,200 temporarily reassign that OneDrive to somebody else. And 644 00:23:27,980 --> 00:23:29,674 like one of my team members leaves, I 645 00:23:29,674 --> 00:23:31,755 can get temporarily reassigned their OneDrive, and I 646 00:23:31,755 --> 00:23:33,194 can go in there and get any data 647 00:23:33,194 --> 00:23:34,554 out that I need to, things like that, 648 00:23:34,554 --> 00:23:35,835 if they didn't happen to put it in 649 00:23:35,835 --> 00:23:38,174 a team site. Not so with this stuff. 650 00:23:38,234 --> 00:23:41,515 These are in your embedded collections in SharePoint 651 00:23:41,515 --> 00:23:44,654 embedded, and they're only there for you. 652 00:23:45,150 --> 00:23:48,349 So as users dive more and more into 653 00:23:48,349 --> 00:23:49,090 this individuality, 654 00:23:49,710 --> 00:23:50,930 plus they have 655 00:23:51,309 --> 00:23:52,369 what I would call 656 00:23:52,910 --> 00:23:53,410 very, 657 00:23:54,029 --> 00:23:56,509 very generous quotas on these. They're on the 658 00:23:56,509 --> 00:23:59,789 order of 25 terabytes today, and who knows? 659 00:23:59,789 --> 00:24:00,884 Like, so so 660 00:24:01,345 --> 00:24:03,345 per embedded workspace, like the collection of all 661 00:24:03,345 --> 00:24:04,484 your notebooks, pages, 662 00:24:04,865 --> 00:24:07,105 loop loop workspace, all that, you get 25 663 00:24:07,105 --> 00:24:07,605 terabytes. 664 00:24:08,384 --> 00:24:09,684 That's not an inconsequential 665 00:24:09,984 --> 00:24:11,825 amount of data to be able to all 666 00:24:11,825 --> 00:24:13,345 of a sudden hoard a bunch of stuff 667 00:24:13,345 --> 00:24:15,920 away that is unique to just you, only 668 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,160 you, and only ever you. Yeah. That could 669 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,640 be a whole another discussion. It's just around 670 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,720 storage of where all this stuff starts going 671 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,320 now. I think it's important to keep in 672 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:25,920 the back of your mind. Like Right. Once 673 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:27,759 users start going down these paths and doing 674 00:24:27,759 --> 00:24:28,740 these things, like, 675 00:24:29,144 --> 00:24:31,545 the users that find value in this, like 676 00:24:31,545 --> 00:24:33,484 that has to be balanced with 677 00:24:33,865 --> 00:24:34,365 the 678 00:24:34,744 --> 00:24:36,825 value to the business, right, in and of 679 00:24:36,825 --> 00:24:39,144 itself and how that exists. There could be 680 00:24:39,144 --> 00:24:41,384 a bunch of super powerful stuff that you 681 00:24:41,384 --> 00:24:43,965 as an individual can do with a Copilot 682 00:24:44,025 --> 00:24:46,559 notebook and the collection of Copilot pages and 683 00:24:46,559 --> 00:24:48,319 the references that you put it and things 684 00:24:48,319 --> 00:24:50,000 like that, but it's very much a you 685 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:50,500 experience. 686 00:24:50,799 --> 00:24:52,720 So is there going to be another click 687 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,640 stop where this stuff comes out and it 688 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,400 levels up to, Can I start doing a 689 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,400 Copilot notebook within like 690 00:24:59,184 --> 00:25:00,404 within that M365 691 00:25:00,865 --> 00:25:03,585 group or within that Teams team? Whatever it 692 00:25:03,585 --> 00:25:04,484 happens to be, 693 00:25:04,785 --> 00:25:07,585 maybe, but that stuff doesn't exist today. So 694 00:25:07,585 --> 00:25:09,184 I think you also got to kind of 695 00:25:09,184 --> 00:25:12,005 tread carefully in the early days in how 696 00:25:12,509 --> 00:25:14,769 you direct your users within your organization 697 00:25:15,070 --> 00:25:16,830 to get at all this stuff. Yeah. And 698 00:25:16,830 --> 00:25:18,269 we'll put some links in the show notes. 699 00:25:18,269 --> 00:25:20,910 Like, there's an entire table that Microsoft gives 700 00:25:20,910 --> 00:25:23,390 you on where these different things are stored, 701 00:25:23,390 --> 00:25:25,230 so absolutely have to do that. But I 702 00:25:25,230 --> 00:25:27,254 do have we ran into me trying to 703 00:25:27,254 --> 00:25:28,855 fix audio issues, and I have a meeting 704 00:25:28,855 --> 00:25:30,554 I need to jump to. Alright. Well, 705 00:25:31,014 --> 00:25:33,254 as always, thanks for the time. Yes. Thank 706 00:25:33,254 --> 00:25:34,855 you as well. We might have to come 707 00:25:34,855 --> 00:25:36,714 back to this one as this changes 708 00:25:37,095 --> 00:25:39,115 and evolves over time. But 709 00:25:39,494 --> 00:25:41,400 like we said, definitely go play with this, 710 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,400 spend some time with it, understand it, think 711 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,720 of notebooks and loop as separate things even 712 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,279 though the technology is the same, and let 713 00:25:48,279 --> 00:25:50,119 us know if you have any questions or 714 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:50,619 any 715 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,920 particular aspects of this you would like us 716 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,920 to dive into further. Great. Thanks, Ben. Thanks, 717 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:55,724 Scott. We'll talk 718 00:25:57,724 --> 00:25:59,901 to you later. If you enjoyed the podcast, 719 00:25:59,901 --> 00:26:01,644 go leave us a five star rating in 720 00:26:01,644 --> 00:26:03,724 iTunes. 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